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As every fan of the old Perry Mason show remembers, courtroom witnesses swear “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

There’s a reason for that particular choice of words. A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead us as much as any outright lie. And under certain circumstances, such omissions may be made necessary by powerful outside forces, so that even the most well-intentioned writer is faced with the difficult choice of either excluding certain elements from his analysis or having his important work denied a proper audience. I have sometimes faced this dilemma myself, but over the last few years, my lengthy American Pravda series has charted those gaping lacunae in our received accounts of modern world history, as I have sought to provide a historical counter-narrative of the last one hundred years.

Careful reexaminations of events from fifty or sixty years ago may be interesting, but those of the present day have far greater importance, and this is particularly true with regard to the Covid-19 epidemic that has engulfed the world since early 2020. Millions have already died, including many hundreds of thousands of Americans, with a newly released research study by the University of Washington’s authoritative Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) now suggesting that our domestic death-toll has already exceeded 900,000. This global outbreak first began in Wuhan, and the nature of its origin has become a major flashpoint in the new Cold War between China and America, with the trajectory of that conflict having only slightly changed as Trump Neocons have been replaced by Biden Neocons at the helm of our foreign policy.

Two months ago I published a lengthy article summarizing much of the information from the first year of the outbreak and focusing upon the heated debate regarding the origins of the virus. Aside from the reports of the teams of investigative journalists at the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Associated Press, several very long articles by independent journalists and researchers have constituted my main sources of information, including:

This compendium of crucial research has now received a major addition, a 11,000 word analysis of the likely origins of Covid-19 by Nicholas Wade, a distinguished former science reporter and editor, who had spent more than four decades at the New York Times, Science, and Nature, and the author of several excellent books dealing with anthropology and evolutionary biology.

Suppressing Possible Artificial Origins as “a Conspiracy Theory”

The central focus of both Baker and Wade is indicated by their closely-related titles, namely the origins of the virus and whether it was the product of a laboratory, presumably the Wuhan Institute of Virology, then later released in a tragic accident. Both these authors strongly lean toward that latter possibility, but take somewhat different approaches. While Baker, a prominent novelist and liberal public intellectual, must rely upon general arguments or merely reports the opinions of the experts that he interviewed, Wade deploys his strong scientific background to build a persuasive case for that same conclusion.

From nearly the beginning of the epidemic, the position taken by the mainstream media had been that Covid-19 was very likely natural in origin, and although President Trump and some of his political allies soon loudly claimed otherwise, the perceived scientific consensus remained unchanged.

But as Wade demonstrates, that supposed consensus was largely illusory, having been shaped by two early items that appeared in prestigious scientific publications. On February 19, 2020, the Lancet had published a statement signed by 27 virologists and other noted scientists that declared: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” and that “[scientists] overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” Then the following month Nature Medicine published an analysis by five virologists providing some theoretical arguments against any artificial origin, stating that: “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

These published pieces became far more influential than was warranted. Wade notes that the former statement had actually been organized behind the scenes by Peter Daszak, an American closely associated with the Wuhan lab and therefore hardly a disinterested party, while the latter relied heavily upon very dubious scientific reasoning. But once these emphatic conclusions had appeared in influential periodicals, few microbiologists were willing to challenge this newly established orthodoxy, especially because doing so would have placed them in the same political camp as Trump, a much vilified figure in their community. Baker had earlier made similar criticism and I had fully endorsed his verdict in my own March article, but Wade’s analysis provides far greater depth.

Moreover, Wade also emphasizes the climate of fear that today governs much of our academic world, with future grant applications and even careers at risk if researchers depart from perceived orthodoxy on certain issues, perhaps including disputing the origins of Covid-19. He argues that although the Lancet and Nature Medicine letters were actually political statements rather than scientific findings, they were “amazingly effective” in suppressing dissent and led the overwhelming majority of journalists to accept them as reflecting a research consensus that actually did not exist.

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Wade’s own personal experiences have surely informed this shrewd analysis of the underlying political dynamics. His most recent book A Troublesome Inheritance had appeared in 2014, and its subtitle “Genes, Race, and Human History” reflected the potentially explosive nature of his subject matter. Although I considered it an outstanding treatment of the controversial topic, Wade’s work soon attracted a lynch-mob of critics, who organized a denunciatory public statement that they persuaded 139 prominent genetic scientists to sign. All these individuals were soon humiliated once it was proven that not a single one of them had actually bothered examining the true contents of the book that they were so fiercely attacking.

 

In the case of Covid-19, Wade demonstrates that once the political barriers have been removed and we are allowed to consider the evidence objectively, our conclusions are transformed. The scientific case for the natural origins of the virus becomes pitifully weak, thereby automatically elevating the competing lab-leak hypothesis, which had previously been denounced and stigmatized as a so-called “conspiracy theory.”

For example, despite fifteen months of presumably intensive effort, the Chinese have failed to locate evidence of any wildlife population hosting a closely-related precursor virus, which had easily been found in the previous cases of emergent viral epidemics such as SARS and MERS. Indeed, the closest natural relative to Covid-19 only exists among bats in the caves of Yunnan, nearly 1,000 miles distant from the Wuhan outbreak.

We would also expect an animal virus that became dangerous to humans would require a lengthy series of intermediate mutational steps as it gradually evolved the ability to effectively infect our own species, just as had been the case with SARS and other previous diseases. But Covid-19 seems to have suddenly appeared in a maximally infectious form, perfectly pre-adapted to humans and apparently derived from a single original source.

Finally, an important structural element of the virus, the “furin cleavage site,” is entirely absent from all other members of its viral family, and crucially contributes to its dangerously infectious nature. A natural origin for that structure seems implausible, while the scientific literature is replete with such additions having been made in laboratory experiments, including those conducted by the Wuhan researchers. Moreover, the particular genetic sequence found in that Covid-19 element is extremely rare in other coronaviruses, strongly suggesting that it was added from a different source.

The Excluded Third Possibility

Having now twice read Wade’s long article, I can say that I find nearly all of his scientific arguments quite compelling, and I have almost no points of significant disagreement. Yet my overall conclusions are entirely different from his.

The explanation of this seeming paradox comes near the very beginning of his article, when he accurately states:

As many people know, there are two main theories about its origin. One is that it jumped naturally from wildlife to people. The other is that the virus was under study in a lab, from which it escaped.

A paragraph later, the text contains his first major section heading, entitled “A Tale of Two Theories.”

Although Wade is absolutely correct in stating that “there are two main theories” about the origins of Covid-19, this duality has been enforced by political pressures quite similar to those that had earlier excluded discussion of the “lab-leak hypothesis,” but with the sanctions being far harsher and more extreme.

Wade’s analysis masterfully demonstrates that once we are actually willing to explore the much-vilified “conspiracy theory” of an accidental lab-leak, we discover that it is far more plausible than the case of a natural origin, partly because the latter appears so unlikely. And if these were the only two possible theories, all arguments against the one would necessarily support the other. But this framework is upended once we recognize that there is a third logical possibility, far more vilified and excluded than that of the “lab-leak hypothesis” but also far more plausible and supported by much stronger evidence.

In my March discussion of Baker’s long article, I summarized how he first became involved in the topic, and described the crucial omission I had noticed in his 12,000 word opus:

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Baker may not have been a professional virologist or expert in biowarfare, but as the Covid-19 outbreak began he had just completed Baseless, a lengthy non-fictional account of American national security secrets, which appeared to glowing reviews in July 2020. One of his major elements was an account of America’s massive 1950s bioweapons research program, which had been accorded resources and importance matching that of our nuclear weapons efforts. Based upon his years of research, the author was not a complete neophyte on biological warfare issues and was also fully aware of our own long history of laboratory accidents, which had claimed a number of lives. So he was naturally alert to the possibility that a similar accident had occurred in Wuhan, which contained China’s most secure facility of that same type.

The greatest weakness of Baker’s comprehensive analysis is not the controversial theory that he carefully examines, but the even more controversial possibility that he seems to totally ignore. At one point, he notes the remarkable characteristics of the pathogen, whose collection of features allowed it to so effectively target humans and which had first appeared in a city having one of the very few world laboratories engaged in exactly that type of viral research, closing his paragraph with the sentence “What are the odds?” But other, even more implausible coincidences were entirely excluded from his discussion, and the same had also been true for Lemoine.

Both these authors seem to assume that there exist only two possible scenarios: a natural virus that suddenly appeared in Wuhan during late 2019 or an accidental lab-leak of an enhanced disease agent in that same city. But there is an obvious third case as well, clearly suggested by Baker’s focus on America’s own very active biowarfare program, which he extensively discussed both in his long article and in his highly-regarded book. We must surely consider the possibility that the Covid-19 outbreak was not at all accidental, but instead constituted a deliberate attack against China, occurring as it did near the absolute height of the international tension with America, and therefore suggesting that elements of our own national security apparatus were the most obvious suspects. Given the realities of the publishing industry, any serious exploration of such a scenario would probably have precluded the appearance of the important Baker or Lemoine articles in any respectable publication, perhaps helping to explain such silence. But as I have argued in my long American Pravda series, many historical accounts that were blacklisted for exactly those sorts of reasons appear quite likely to be true.

Exactly the same glaring omission is found in Wade’s 11,000 word article. Taken together, Lemoine, Baker, and Wade have produced a large collection of high-quality articles on the origins of the global Covid-19 epidemic, but nowhere among their 54,000 words is there even a hint that the virus might possibly have had its origins in America’s well-documented and lavishly funded biowarfare program. For several years, our newspapers have proclaimed that we are now locked into a new Cold War against China, with some risk that it might turn hot. But the obvious possible implications of the sudden, potentially-devastating outbreak of a dangerous viral epidemic in our leading international adversary remains unmentionable, too explosive even to dismissed or ridiculed, let alone carefully considered.

As I noted towards the end of my long March article:

I can easily understand why all these simple facts and their obvious implications regarding the likely origins of the worldwide epidemic might be considered extremely uncomfortable, perhaps too uncomfortable to be discussed in our media outlets, and therefore have been so widely ignored. Most of these crucial points were already presented in my original April 2020 article on the subject, which quickly began to attract enormous traffic and interest in social media. Yet just days after it ran, our entire website was suddenly banned from Facebook and all our web pages were deranked by Google, perhaps underscoring the very dangerous nature of this material, and the reasons why so few others have been willing to raise the same points.

The Strong Evidence for an American Biowarfare Attack

I find almost nothing to dispute in the comprehensive analyses provided by Lemoine, Baker, and Wade, but I do think my own work represents a crucial supplement to their research, given that I have primarily focused on that third possibility, a possibility that they were necessarily forced to avoid considering. Readers may judge for themselves, but I believe that my articles have demonstrated that the evidence supporting that excluded hypothesis is considerably stronger than that favoring either of those other two possibilities, whether the mainstream narrative of a natural virus or the much-vilified “conspiracy theory” of a lab-leak in Wuhan.

For convenience, I am excerpting substantial portions of my original April 2020 and my most recent March 2021 articles:

Although the coronavirus is only moderately lethal, apparently having a fatality rate of 1% or less, it is extremely contagious, including during an extended pre-symptomatic period and also among asymptomatic carriers. Thus, portions of the US and Europe are now suffering heavy casualties, while the policies adopted to control the spread have devastated their national economies. The virus is unlikely to kill more than a small sliver of our population, but we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

During January, the journalists reporting on China’s mushrooming health crisis regularly emphasized that the mysterious new viral outbreak had occurred at the worst possible place and time, appearing in the major transport hub of Wuhan just prior to the Lunar New Year holiday, when hundreds of millions of Chinese would normally travel to their distant family homes for the celebration, thereby potentially spreading the disease to all parts of the country and producing a permanent, uncontrollable epidemic. The Chinese government avoided that grim fate by the unprecedented decision to shut down its entire national economy and confine 700 million Chinese to their own homes for many weeks. But the outcome seems to have been a very near thing, and if Wuhan had remained open for just a few days longer, China might easily have suffered long-term economic and social devastation.

The timing of an accidental laboratory release would obviously be entirely random. Yet the outbreak seems to have begun during the precise period of time most likely to damage China, the worst possible ten-day or perhaps thirty-day window. As I noted in January, I saw no solid evidence that the coronavirus was a bioweapon, but if it were, the timing of the release seemed very unlikely to have been accidental.

Consider also the preceding waves of other unfortunate viral epidemics that had recently ravaged China:

[D]uring the previous two years, the Chinese economy had already suffered serious blows from other mysterious new diseases, although these had targeted farm animals rather than people. During 2018 a new Avian Flu virus had swept the country, eliminating large portions of China’s poultry industry, and during 2019 the Swine Flu viral epidemic had devastated China’s pig farms, destroying 40% of the nation’s primary domestic source of meat, with widespread claims that the latter disease was being spread by mysterious small drones. My morning newspapers had hardly ignored these important business stories, noting that the sudden collapse of much of China’s domestic food production might prove a huge boon to American farm exports at the height of our trade conflict, but I had never considered the obvious implications. So for three years in a row, China had been severely impacted by strange new viral diseases, though only the most recent had been deadly to humans. This evidence was merely circumstantial, but the pattern seemed highly suspicious.

Another even more remarkable coincidence has received far greater distribution, becoming a staple of anti-American “conspiracy theories” and even resulting in a diplomatic incident involving the Chinese Foreign Ministry.

According to the widely accepted current chronology, the Covid-19 epidemic began in Wuhan during late October or early November of 2019. But the World Military Games were also held in Wuhan during that same period, ending in late October, with 300 American military servicemen attending. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized in my articles and comments for more than a year, how would Americans react if 300 Chinese military officers had paid an extended visit to Chicago, and soon afterward a mysterious and deadly epidemic had suddenly erupted in that city?

It surely would have been very easy for our intelligence services to have slipped a couple of their operatives into that large American military contingent, and the presence of many thousands of foreign military personnel, traveling around the large city and doing sightseeing, would have been ideally suited to providing cover for the quiet release of a highly-infectious viral bioweapon. None of this constitutes proof, but the coincidental timing is quite remarkable.

Biological warfare is a highly technical subject, and those possessing such expertise are unlikely to candidly report their classified research activities in the pages of our major newspapers, perhaps even less so after Prof. Lieber was dragged off to prison in chains. My own knowledge is nil. But in mid-March I came across several extremely long and detailed comments on the coronavirus outbreak that had been posted on a small website by an individual calling himself “OldMicrobiologist” and who claimed to be a retired forty-year veteran of American biodefense. The style and details of his material struck me as quite credible, and after a little further investigation I concluded that there was a high likelihood his background was exactly as he had described. I made arrangements to republish his comments in the form of a 3,400 word article, which soon attracted a great deal of traffic and 80,000 words of further comments.

Although the writer emphasized the lack of any hard evidence, he said that his experience led him to strongly suspect that the coronavirus outbreak was indeed an American biowarfare attack against China, probably carried out by agents brought into that country under cover of the Military Games held at Wuhan in late October, the sort of sabotage operation our intelligence agencies had sometimes undertaken elsewhere. One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard. Those so interested should read his analysis and assess for themselves his credibility and persuasiveness.

Some of this same speculation eventually reached Chinese social media, and led to articles in Chinese government publications, which immediately provoked a very hostile response by Trump Administration officials.

This latter sequence of events is carefully recounted in a massive 17,000 word, 54 page report released a few weeks ago by DFRLab, a social media-oriented research unit within the establishmentarian Atlantic Council, with the work being based upon nine months of research and preparation by a dozen staffers, together with the Associated Press investigations team. The study seemed aimed at tracking the appearance and Internet dissemination of a wide range of supposedly false or unsubstantiated “conspiracy theories” regarding the Covid-19 outbreak, and AP journalists soon publicized the results, denouncing “the superspreaders” of such allegedly spurious and potentially dangerous beliefs.

But while this project did produce a very useful compendium of the chronology and source references of the various unorthodox narratives surrounding the disease, many of which were certainly erroneous or implausible, few effective rebuttal arguments were provided, notably regarding the extremely suspicious timing of the American military presence in Wuhan. Blogger Steve Sailer and others have often ridiculed this “point-and-sputter” school of refutation, in which non-mainstream theories need only be described in order to be considered conclusively disproved.

Although the Atlantic Council/Associated Press team certainly included numerous skilled social media researchers, journalists, and editors, there is no indication that any of these individuals possessed serious national security credentials, let alone specialized expertise in the arcane topic of biowarfare. This may help to explain why the weighty report which drew upon such enormous resources was almost entirely descriptive and made so little effort to analyze or evaluate the plausibility of the various conflicting “conspiracy narratives” that it treated at great length.

One further oddity of the very comprehensive DFRLab/Atlantic Council report was its own rather curious omissions. Given that its entire focus was on the full range of absurd “conspiracy theories,” the authors naturally explored speculation regarding an American biowarfare attack, and attributed this theory partly to Kevin Barrett, whom the report characterized as “a US Holocaust denier who has also claimed that the September 11 attacks were an ‘inside job’ by the George W. Bush Administration.”

The resulting news story by its Associated Press partners prominently featured Barrett as one of the America’s leading “super-spreaders” of Covid-19 conspiracy-nonsense. Yet Barrett’s only real role had been to quote and endorse my own very substantial writings in that area, and although he unsuccessfully urged the AP journalists to contact me directly, my name was entirely absent from either the news articles or the lengthy underlying research report. Since my own writings had constituted the longest and most comprehensive presentation of the American Biowarfare Hypothesis, such an omission appears curious. I suspect that the editors concluded that any attack on me would bring my articles to much wider attention, and therefore ruled it out as being obviously counter-productive.

I find it highly unlikely that the DFRLab staffers were unaware of my existence. Their comprehensive report appeared in February 2021, and since it was based upon nine months of investigation, the project would have begun in May 2020. But on April 21, 2020, I had published my long original article making the case for an American biowarfare attack, and its rapidly growing popularity on Facebook only came to an end after the social media giant quickly banned our entire website, a sudden action that had been based upon a very doubtful report produced by that very same DFRLab team, with which Facebook has long partnered. Indeed this remarkable coincidence of timing raises the interesting possibility that the appearance of my article and its considerable popularity had actually prompted DFRLab to undertake its nine month investigation into the general subject of Covid-19 “conspiracy theories.” Furthermore:

The extensive material collected by the Atlantic Council researchers lent further support to an important point I had made last April about the curious nature of the early Covid-19 coverage:

One intriguing aspect of the situation was that almost from the first moment that reports of the strange new epidemic in China reached the international media, a large and orchestrated campaign had been launched on numerous websites and Social Media platforms to identify the cause as a Chinese bioweapon carelessly released in its own country. Meanwhile, the far more plausible hypothesis that China was the victim rather than the perpetrator had received virtually no organized support anywhere, and only began to take shape as I gradually located and republished relevant material, usually drawn from very obscure quarters and often anonymously authored. So it seemed that only the side hostile to China was waging an active information war. The outbreak of the disease and the nearly simultaneous launch of such a major propaganda campaign may not necessarily prove that an actual biowarfare attack had occurred, but I do think it tends to support such a theory.

During January, American media outlets, including those under the authority of Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo, began focusing attention on the Wuhan lab as the potential source of the viral outbreak, while journalists disputing this narrative and attempting to raise other possibilities had serious difficulties even getting their articles published on alternative websites:

Scientific investigation of the coronavirus had already pointed to its origins in a bat virus, leading to widespread media speculation that bats sold as food in the Wuhan open markets had been the original disease vector. Meanwhile, the orchestrated waves of anti-China accusations had emphasized Chinese laboratory research on that same viral source. But we soon published a lengthy article by investigative journalist Whitney Webb providing copious evidence of America’s own enormous biowarfare research efforts, which had similarly focused for years on bat viruses. Webb was then associated with MintPress News, but that publication had strangely declined to publish her important piece, perhaps skittish about the grave suspicions it directed towards the US government on so momentous an issue. So without the benefit of our platform, her major contribution to the public debate might have attracted relatively little readership.

 

All the evidence thus far presented has merely been circumstantial, strongly establishing that elements of the American national security establishment had the means, motive, and opportunity to stage a biowarfare attack in Wuhan. However, in April 2020 certain additional facts appeared that some have characterized as “smoking gun” proof of that disturbing scenario:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

Summarizing the Evidence for a Biowarfare Attack and Outlining the Hypothetical Scenario

Most of the material quoted above had originally appeared in my April 2020 article and was afterwards extended and further discussed in my later pieces, the most recent appearing in March 2021. Taken together, they have been read at least a couple of hundred thousand times, and have provoked more than 500,000 words of comments. Yet the undeniable facts I presented have remained almost entirely excluded from the ongoing public debate, presumably for the practical political reasons I have suggested, so it is difficult to know exactly who has become aware of them.

Donald Trump’s departure from the White House seems to have finally encouraged our timorous mainstream media organs to admit that their longstanding presumption of the entirely natural origin of Covid-19 might not be correct, and they have begun giving some consideration to the long-derided competing theory of a man-made virus released in an accidental lab-leak. But under these changed circumstances, I consider it entirely unreasonable if they continue ignoring that very real third possibility of an American biowarfare attack. The key pieces of evidence I have provided that favor this hypothesis over the competing lab-leak scenario may easily be summarized:

(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.

 

Given the conclusions suggested above, I also think it would be useful for me to provide my own summary of a plausible scenario for the Covid-19 outbreak. Although I had already presented this outline in a September 2020 article, I see no need for any revisions. Obviously, this reconstruction is quite speculative, but I think it best fits all the available evidence, while individual elements may be modified, dropped, or replaced without necessarily compromising the overall hypothesis.

(1) Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare. The plan was to infect the key transport hub of Wuhan with Covid-19 so that the disease would invisibly spread throughout the entire country during the annual Lunar New Year travels, and they used the cover of the Wuhan International Military Games to slip a couple of operatives into the city to release the virus. My guess is that only a relatively small number of individuals were involved in this plot.

(2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon. Although Covid-19 has rather low fatality rates, it is extremely contagious, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and can even spread by asymptomatic carriers, making it ideally suited for that purpose. Thus, once it established itself throughout most of China, it would be extremely difficult to eradicate and the resulting efforts to control it would inflict enormous damage upon China’s economy and society.

(3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

(4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19. Anyway, since international organizations always ranked the US and Europe as having the best and most effective public health systems for combating any disease epidemic, they believed that any possible blowback damage would be very minor.

(5) Only a small number of individuals were directly involved in this plot, and soon after the disease was successfully released in Wuhan, they decided to further safeguard America’s own interests by alerting the appropriate units with the Defense Intelligence Agency, probably by fabricating some sort of supposed “intelligence leak.” Basically, they arranged for the DIA to hear that Wuhan was apparently suffering a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak, thereby leading the DIA to prepare and distribute a secret report warning our own forces and allies to take appropriate precautions.

(6) Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease. Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten media attention. Since the CDC had botched production of a testing kit, we had no means of recognizing that the disease was already spreading in our country, and the result was massive damage to America’s economy and society. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.

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  1. No reason to trust the Judeo-Neoliberal West when it comes to any narrative that demonizes China. These people have told us Uighurs are being killed en masse by being strangled with bacon and drowned in beer, you don’t think they’d lie about the most significant pandemic of our young century?

  2. Gizmo880 says:

    Certainly plausible, but two observations:

    1) The Deep State Rabbit Hole is so enormous and compartmentalized that unless someone is intricately involved, a lay person can only barely guess at motives and responsible persons.

    2) Even if China were the ‘victim’ in this case, they are no more trustworthy or moral than their Western counterparts. They are not the ‘Good Guys’ any more than our ‘masters’ are.

  3. From the third paragraph.

    Millions have already died, including many hundreds of thousands of Americans…
    ….now suggesting that our domestic death-toll has already exceeded 900,000.

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    Wow, I had a hard time reading past that. Rather, I buy this:
    7. The CDC later admitted that 94% of deaths had underlying conditions. That means that of the 527,000 deaths attributed to the influenza variant masked as SARS-CoV-2 only 6% were actually caused directly by Covid19, or 31,620. That brings the true case fatality rate to 0.12% out of the 27 million cases.

    and this:
    9. The CDC lumped pneumonia, influenza, and Covid19 into a new epidemic it called PIC in order to inflate Covid19 deaths.

    The CDC stats for week of July 3, 2020 confirm that pneumonia and influenza combine with Covid to inflate the death rate. The Feb. 5, 2021 report does the same. The obfuscation is underscored in the search results page, where only “(P&I)” is mentioned, but PIC graphs appear upon clicking the links. Deaths by influenza have dropped from 61,000 in 2018 to 22,000 in 2020,

    Plenty more here…an outstanding article; class action lawsuits coming. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/gary-g-kohls/no-jab-for-me-and-here-are-35-reasons-why/

  4. You can’t stop me now!

  5. Mr. Unz, Thanks for your work.

    Although this article is primarily about the origins of Covid-19, I want to bring up an important point. The fact of the matter is that the lethality of the virus is HUGELY overstated, and deaths being attributed to Coronavirus are NOT actually deaths caused by the Virus. We can tell this by looking at the CDC’s own numbers.

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    As of May 2, 202, The total “covid” death count was 560,616. Out of these people, their were 257,022 with Flu or Pneumonia, 89,748 with Diabetes, 110,763 with hypertensive disease, 210,769 suffered from respiratory failure, 53,604 had sepsis. ETC. On average, each patient counted as a covid death had 4 additional serious, often fatal conditions. Interestingly enough, 11,227 patients had “intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events” which translates in laymen’s terms as suicide.

    This should be clear and obvious to anyone actually paying attention that someone over 80 years old, who is DYING of fatal, long term health conditions, cannot be in any honesty considered as a death from the pandemic.

    The number of young, healthy people being killed by the virus is LITERALLY near one in a million. They are pretending this is the black death, and in 2020 put most of the planet under house arrest. They have an agenda, and the we are being lied to. The government response to the alleged pandemic is so out of proportion to the tiny lethality that the whole thing amounts to a hoax.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

  6. There is of course a 4th possibility as well: That the pandemic was engineered by some organization with hidden influence over both the Chinese and US state apparatuses. Why was Bat Lady taught her techniques by a US scientist? Why did the Gates foundation fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan when it was nearly banned in the US? I don’t claim this is a slam dunk, just a possibility.

  7. Does anyone remember the story on the 2nd day of Trump’s Presidency that he raided the CDC? The Atlanta airport was closed for nearly a day while they stopped a cargo plane. I cannot find the story now.

    • Replies: @Wade
    , @Mark Hunter
  8. “(2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon.”

    If the early reports of Han Chinese having many times the ACE2 receptors in their lungs than their european-descended counterparts are true, that would lead me to conclude that the anti-personnel aspect of the virus was also likely a very prominent part and focus of its development and not accidental….

  9. greencrow says: • Website

    What role does the “Covidiazation” of the regular seasonal flu play in all this? The flu has basically disappeared in the west…supplanted by Covid-19.

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    I haven’t heard one description of someone getting “the covID” where the symptoms thereof didn’t sound exactly like what we used to call the “flu” and/or, a case of the flu that escalated into pneumonia.

    Perhaps the NATO armies did spread some bioweapon while in Wuhan [I would not doubt it] and perhaps some assets did also spread this bioweapon around in the West [Italy, Spain, etc.] upon their return from the World Military Games…but I think that was a limited targeted attack–just to get the CovID ball rolling.

    After that, it was [and is] total smoke and mirrors, fudged stats based on the fraudulently mis-used PCR test and fake computer “models”. It’s like the sign I’ve often seen at the rallies and marches I’ve participated in: ” If you didn’t watch TV…would you know there was a Pandemic going on?”

    • Agree: Publius 2, R2b
  10. Tdstype2 says:

    Thank you for this really truth seeking article and the guts to print it….

    • Replies: @John Wayne
    , @profnasty
  11. I am ~ 67% sure it is a bioweapon attack.

    It is completely impossible to figure out who is attacking who, so far. For all we know it is one Chinese Communist Party faction attacking another Chinese Communist Party faction. It is a pity virtually nobody cares to investigate. People like yourself and Wade deserve kudos.

    Everybody should read Wade’s article if they haven’t. Some thoughtful user posted it to the newslinks section within a day.

    • Replies: @romanempire
    , @Mark Hunter
  12. SafeNow says:

    Two points. First, I will underscore the point that a dog that did not bark here comprises the specialized faculty of elite medical centers, because of grant money and career protection. This applies not only to the origins issue, but to every Covid-management issue. A recent case can serve as an example. An op-ed appeared in the Wall Street Journal, in which a brave, prominent medical specialist at an elite institution contradicted the official view. One wishes he could have closed with something like “19 of my 20 colleagues here at Elite University X agree with me.” To most people, the negative implication of his failing to do so is that he is quite unable to do so, because he is the only one believing what he thinks. It is actually the cowardice of his colleagues, who probably silently agree but won’t say do, even anonymously. The upshot is that a solitary figure finds himself opposed by Dr. Fauci’s armamentarium of experts. The op-ed does more harm than good.

    Second, Ron is restrained by limiting his argument for a Military-Games origin to the coincidences of time and place. I do not mean to discount the force of his “2 coincidences” argument. Treating this as a multiplicative function of time matchup and hostworthy-cities matchup, I would estimate it as a one-in-250 coincidence. But there also exist anomalous, curious aspects pertinent to the team, and its hotel. I have itemized these twice before and will not do so again. As Perry Mason would say, these are but circumstantial evidence. But to me, these anomalies, taken together, carry much weight.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alden
    , @Tzigane
  13. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.

    In effect, America conducted a hypnotic induction profile on its own population and blamed its Chinese rival. All zombies present and accounted for.

    • Agree: Publius 2
  14. Yee says:

    (Pardon for double posting. Below is my post from another thread. I’ve seen many people assuming Wuhan lab as capable as American military lab in making bio-weapons, which is very unlikely.)

    “Deigin write-up was pointing at China”

    It’s ridiculous because you don’t make bio-weapons in a lab like Wuhan lab.

    Wuhan lab is China’s only P4 lab. It opened in 2018, barely 2 year old by the time of the outbreak in 2020. The staff were likely still learning how to run the brand new facilities. It’s also civilian and has a lot of international exchanges. No one in their right mind would make bio-weapons in such a lab.

    SARS 1 was suspected to be a bio-weapon because the timing was also very good. It started right before the US invade Iraq. It could have been a warning for China not to interfere in Iraq, or keep China tie down in a domestic crisis.

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  15. Covid is the current terror campaign. Previously, it was climate change. Didn’t work. Before that, 9/11 and Muslim terrorism. There was Sandy Hook. It goes on and on. Terrorize the population.

    I raise some chickens, treat them well. They are very easy to frighten though. Exactly like most human populations,

    They are now unleashing chaotic crime. Purpose of which is to of course terrorize the general population, but more specifically to seize firearms. They are very frightened of gun ownership.

    Soon they will release the space aliens. Or the latest, most deadly virus. But, whatever, the populations will be frightened, like hens.

  16. Thomasina says:

    Great article. It probably was artificially produced and intentionally leaked. But aren’t all successful viruses non-lethal? Viruses want to spread, and if they were lethal, they’d kill the host before getting very far.

    But I propose there is a THIRD scenario: that the virus was artificially produced and intentionally leaked by both the U.S. AND China, that China was never the real target (although it would suffer deaths too).

    Fauci had some involvement with that Wuhan Lab. The U.S. had some association with that lab. I’ll see if I can dig up that information.

    Didn’t Trump want to close down the flights from China and elsewhere, but there were cries of “racism” from the usual movers and shakers? It was almost like they wanted it to enter the U.S. Why?

    And they have fought all of the alternative off-patent medications that could have stopped the disease in its tracks. Why?

    The globalists have made a killing off manufacturing in China, along with the Chinese elite. These are the people who are in control of the government. Biden has apparently received money from the Chinese. I don’t for one second think that these people wanted to seriously see this cozy relationship come to an end. They certainly fought Trump on the tariffs.

    And it helped to get rid of Trump too, although it took rigging the election to ensure he was finally gone. Who’s talking about bringing jobs back now? Tariffs? No one.

    No, I think something else occurred. The economy was seriously rolling over in the fall of 2019 – worldwide. Something had to be done, an excuse had to be made for injecting trillions into the world economy. All central banks have complied. The monopolies are now stronger than ever.

    It’s always about the economy, the world banking system. Follow the money.

    • Disagree: Sarah
  17. bcos says:

    When I first saw Trevor Noah (on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show”) tell his audience how great Fauci was, compared to Trump, I knew something was up. He said it was like being on an airplane ride with a pilot who said “things are going to get bumpy” [Fauci] vs. a pilot who said “there’s nothing bad happening” [Trump]. It’s as though they knew the script was to take down America over a prolonged timescale, and had to convince the American public to go along with it. US mainstream TV, and celebrities, have been fawning all over Fauci from the get-go. Giving him god-like status. I say to hell with them. Down with their religious figure. Blaspheme and reject Fauci:


    • Agree: Sarah
  18. Alfred says:

    Everyone is entitled for their own opinions on this matter. I doubt very much that the truth will come out anytime soon. Probably never. Well, here is my version.

    1- It was all planned and the virus was engineered. So far, the actual virus has not been isolated so possibly the thing we are supposed to have in our sights is a passenger virus.

    2- The criminals behind this enterprise thought that it would kill 3% of those infected – not 0.05% of healthy people.

    [MORE]

    3- All the synchronised actions by politicians worldwide confirm that they are getting their marching orders from a centralised source. Virtually all politicians in the West – especially in the USA – arrive in office with few assets and leave office wealthy. Trump was an exception.

    4- An attempt was made to crash the US stock market in March 2020. Those behind it are well-known people. This attempt failed and the stock market quickly rebounded. A stock market crash would have made subsequent actions by politicians easier to “sell” to the public. The fear would have been much greater.

    5- The PCR test is used to manipulate the number of claimed “cases”. This test is highly-misleading and can be made to produce false positive results at will. Never before in history has a person with no symptoms been considered to be a “case” and isolated.

    6- The censorship of all contrarian opinions by real experts confirms that the whole thing is a scam.

    7- Lockdowns have no discernible effect on the transmission of an airborne infection. The real objective is to destroy the service economy and to instill fear and despair among the poorer classes. To destroy small businesses and their “Kulak” owners. Never before in history have the healthy been isolated.

    8- Masks and lockdown damage health and have long-lasting negative psychological consequences – especially on young people.

    9- China was involved in this plot – in cohorts with the Globalists of the West. Too many fake videos originated in China and were not censored in any way.

    10- The untested fake mRNA vaccines probably lead to an early death. It seems that those who have been mRNA “vaccinated” are infecting those who are close to them. Russia, by introducing a relatively harmless classic vaccine has upset the plans of the Globalists. The Russian vaccine is probably some sort of flu vaccine. Obviously, pharmaceutical companies in the West do not wish to reveal that.

    11- A sure way of knowing that an opinion is getting too close to the truth is when it is loudly derided and censored.

    12- We are being primed to expect a collapse of the internet. The ongoing shutdown of the Colonial Pipeline might be a dry run.

    Colonial Pipeline Was Silent For More Than A Day About Cyber Attack

    13- This nonsense will continue until people wake up and string up these corrupt politicians and their backers. That will probably happen in 2024.

    14- The divorce of Bill Gates is a sign that those behind this scam are in disarray. Melinda Gates can foresee the failure of this enterprise and wants to protect herself and her kids. Nothing to do with wanting half the pot.

    Yesterday, I met a friend of mine in the park. He had just returned from a month in Florida. He shook hands normally with me. When I last saw him, a few months ago, he would only touch elbows and wore a mask in the park. I think people are very slowly coming to their senses. Strangely, the more educated people are, the more gullible they seem to be.


  19. Biff says:

    Has/will Ron Unz trust(ed) the establishment and take the vaccine?

  20. Tor597 says:

    A few points:

    1) I disagree that the American operatives assumed it would not reach America.

    Part of the goal of this operation was to turn the world against China, and it is hard to do that if only China suffered. Having a a few hundred thousand deaths before the vaccine saved the say would be seen as a positive effect, so long as China suffered more.

    Keep in mind that America had the first workable vaccine, it was just held back for studying. And I belive we had the vaccine from day 1, and that gave us confidence that we could stop the pandemic from being too bad.

    2) There was a ton, and I mean a ton, of warning that this was coming soon in America. I believe there were 5 documented pandemic simulations with event 201 famously game planning for a Corona virus pandemic just a couple months before it happened.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/05/827692672/report-pentagon-aware-of-possible-coronavirus-threat-for-years

    Coronavirus specifically was seen as a threat years before it emerged, and the pentagon urged the president to prepare by increasing supplies of masks and other supplies.

    3) America has an extensive history of germ warfare use

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/09/new-revelations-on-germ-warfare-its-time-for-a-reckoning-with-our-history-from-the-korean-war/

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-concealed-war-crime-u-s-anthrax-bombings-of-china-during-the-korean-war-14782ceb40a9

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Sarah
  21. This is a good hypothesis, and yet it neglects the very public statements made by Klaus Schwab, Prince Charlie, the WEF, Master BillyGates, etc ad nauseum about the Great Reset, not to mention a purposeful depopulation program. It also omits mention of Event201.

    Furthermore, it appears that it is in fact the spike protein on sars-cov-2 which causes illness. Here is just one such source; there are many more.

    https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

    It is thus not surprising that it is this protein that is coded-for in all four of the Western gene therapies, disguised as vaccines.

    Could it be that covid-19 is in fact a prion disease, and that there is no actual virus present? That would explain the murkiness involved in asking whether sars-cov-2 has actually been isolated.

    Also, Ron’s article does not mention the fact that the Corman-Drosten PCR-based test to detect the presence of sars-cov-2 is full of serious flaws, as can be seen here:

    cormandrostenreview.com

    If sars-cov-2 was a bioweapon used against China (and Ron’s evidence is clearly compelling, no question), and if it backfired on its perpetrators, why then was a clearly faulty test used as the first line of detection? Seems odd, don’t you think? And why the continuting wave after wave, with ever new variants discovered (hint: change the primers in the PCR, and you can detect “new” variants), when no infectious virus behaves this way?

    There is more to this.

    • Agree: Bugey libre
    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @neprof
    , @Sarah
  22. Another scenario is consistent with the evidence presented here. For instance, prior to the Covid outbreak it was widely thought that America’s good economic performance in combination with Trump’s “America First” hardline approach to international trade negotiation was likely to result in his reelection. The failure of the Russiagate investigation and the later impeachment to fundamentally erode Trump’s support left his enemies (particularly in the “deep state”) with a strong motive to consider more dramatic measures within their capabilities. Thus it does not seem a coincidence that a virus with a low lethality/high infection rate, designed primarily as an economic weapon, was used to intimidate the American people to accept a near-total shutdown of the economy as well as a wholesale justification for the acceptance of mass mail-in (i.e. unverifiable) ballots. If China had been the primary target of a covert American attack, then one would expect that travel from there would have been blocked immediately; but as I recall, this prudential measure was hysterically dismissed by Trump’s opponents as “xenophobic” and ruled out of bounds. Indeed, the Chinese government might even have known about the release in advance, accepting the short-term hit to their economy in order to support the nascent coup (led by the American deep state) against the only president to seriously threaten their leverage over America’s manufacturing dependence on them. After all, any release of a lethal biological agent by a foreign power is by definition an act of war, but if Unz is correct, the Chinese have been curiously non-vigorous in their response to it. Was this a tag-team effort by external and internal forces to eliminate a common foe?

    • Agree: Weston Waroda
    • Thanks: FLgeezer, ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @Weston Waroda
  23. meamjojo says:

    I might have missed it but I didn’t see reference to this article in your writing. This sounds quite plausible.

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    Chinese military scientists discussed weaponising SARS coronaviruses
    The editor-in-chief of the paper, Xu Dezhong, reported to the top leadership of the Chinese Military Commission and Ministry of Health during the SARS epidemic of 2003.
    The editor-in-chief of the paper, Xu Dezhong, reported to the top leadership of the Chinese Military Commission and Ministry of Health during the SARS epidemic of 2003.

    Sharri Markson, INVESTIGATIONS WRITER and Jack Hazlewood
    May 7, 2021

    Chinese military scientists discussed the weaponisation of SARS coronaviruses five years before the COVID-19 pandemic, outlining their ideas in a document that predicted a third world war would be fought with biological weapons.

    The document, written by People’s Liberation Army scientists and senior Chinese public health officials in 2015, was obtained by the US State Department as it conducted an investigation into the origins of COVID-19, The Weekend Australian has confirmed.

    The paper describes SARS ­coronaviruses as heralding a “new era of genetic weapons” and says they can be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human ­disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.

    The revelation features in an upcoming investigative book on the origins of COVID-19, titled What Really Happened In Wuhan, to be published by Harper­Collins.
    ….
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/chinese-military-scientists-discussed-weaponising-sars-coronaviruses/news-story/850ae2d2e2681549cb9d21162c52d4c0

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  24. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gizmo880

    Even if China were the ‘victim’ in this case, they are no more trustworthy or moral than their Western counterparts. They are not the ‘Good Guys’ any more than our ‘masters’ are.

    Rubbish. Our ‘masters’ are deliberately genociding my race and planning an inescapable global prison. This is completely unprecedented in the history of mankind which puts them in a very special category of evil.

    Meanwhile, the Chinese ‘masters’ have benefited their own people greatly and behaved in a measured way on the international front.

    Your statement is devoid of data or logic. It’s an emotional response that often comes when deep-seated indoctrination gets challenged by observable reality.

  25. Mr. Unz, I respect your deep dives into history that I have read, I respect your stalwart belief in free speech, and I respect you extremely well functioning web site.*

    That’s why I will be respectful here, when I say I don’t agree with this particular theory of yours, which is really not a 3rd possibility, but a 2(b) (1 – natural origin, 2(a) man-made origin from China). I won’t argue the lethality on this one, as, for one thing, American excess death numbers have been calculated from a steady base-curve, as if America’s population isn’t aging-on-average pretty quickly Just a quick calculation gave me 1/3 of the excess death figures is just due to a higher natural death rate – Peak Stupidity will get to that next week.

    I’ve read some of your “Military visit to Wuhan/Ft. Detrick” writings. From this article, let me start here:

    Thus, portions of the US and Europe are now suffering heavy casualties, while the policies adopted to control the spread have devastated their national economies. The virus is unlikely to kill more than a small sliver of our population, but we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

    No, it’s NOT the virus that easily wrecked our entire economic life, it’s the unheard-of reaction to it. If there is any conspiracy theory here, I’d say that is it, the major increase in Police State tactics by American governments at all levels – LOCKDOWNS, worthless at-first encouragement and then mandatory rules on the wearing of face diapers (even by kids – STILL TODAY – on the school playground at recess!)

    I don’t maintain that the never-tried-before reaction by governments, the Lyin’ Press, and other institutions WAS a big conspiracy, but that’s more likely than Deep State rogues implanting the virus in Wuhan – a theory backed by only circumstantial evidence. The big story that you have missed this whole time (very surprisingly to me) is that governments here “did not let a crisis go to waste”. The big media here is nothing but an arm of the Feral Government at this point.

    The Infotainment PanicFest for the American TV media in particular has been the OJ trial, Kardashians, Watergate hearings, and 10 presidential election rolled into one year’s worth of 24/7 talking head bullshit fest. Fear sells. That’s been known for along time. This thing was such a boon to the Lyin’ Press, it was the stuff of their wet dreams. Governments are another matter. I’ll get to that and to the China side in another comment.

    .

    * If you could ever see to it to bring on a Prepper-type columnist on here, many of us would really appreciate an outlet for that kind of discussion. There’s no doubt in my mind that the financial STHF is on the way on a timeline being shorted by a cool Trillion$ at a time being spent by Washington, FS.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @nsa
  26. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile (I speak for the EU, but I don’t think things will change much elsewhere, and I have read that Putin too has been pressured to “follow the line” and he made the concession to the West), vaccination is being made semi-coercive with the usual mixture of harsh, semi-threatening, apparently friendly and “sweet” attitudes and steps to apply non-stop psychological pressure, taken, of course!, in unison-like coordination by the Unified Media, parliaments, people-of-influence’s public declarations and show-offs of themselves doing the same (here’s pictures of governor X, actress Y, renowned professor Z, taking the vaccine: see how gleeful they are, while doing that?).

    Now we have the “Green Pass” to move between areas… and it doesn’t mean you are compelled to take the so-called vaccines, o, not at all that. It gives you 3 options. Either you prove you have had COVID and recovered (which means all people who have had it without enough troubles to notice they had it, the vast majority, can’t use this method), or you take the vaccine, or you get a molecular test with negative result. Point is, in the latter case your pass will have a 2-day validity, while in the others it’ll be 6 months.
    So you see, they coerce, but they aren’t coercing at all.

    • Thanks: Bugey libre
  27. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gizmo880

    There’s the psychological need to believe that someone is “all good”, and, every time you side against a party, find another one to idealize (thus allowing yourself to support it without any half-heartedness or discomfort, and forget that when you choose a light to support, you are also supporting the shadows projected by that light).

  28. On, China, believe me, Mr. Unz, I have thought much of the country in the past, calling it the “Wild, Wild, East” – said as a good thing – 15 years back. Unfortunately, I can’t say that now. (See Dashed High Hopes for China (also Part 2.) I have respect for the hard work and the truly amazing infrastructure projects I have seen there myself. However, things have been going the wrong way, freedom-wise, I mean very badly in the wrong direction most particularly lately due to Xi Jinping’s having arranged for himself to be President and CCP Chairman for life about 3 years back.

    You (we, I should say) have every reason to suspect the US Government Deep State of nefarious deeds. However, the Chinese CCP is much more nefarious, helped out greatly by the fact that they don’t have to deal with affirmative action hires and Wokeness. I have Chinese sources. The news out of the place is not any more worthy of belief than that out of our Lyin’ Press. The Chinese government has also not let a crisis go to waste, as they have used this medical scare as a great way to increase the electronic Orwellian Police State there, with the phone app “health scoring” now.

    The reason China has not had its economy wrecked by this Kung Flu is simply that the government there does not work against the Chinese people in the way that American government works against the American people. That doesn’t mean just as high a number may be dying this year from this virus. You’re not going to get the truth out of that place – ask any Chinaman here, and he’ll tell you that.

    PS: I really wish you had gone to China for a while back before this whole brouhaha. You probably don’t recall, but in ’19, I did suggest that idea to you.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief, Sarah
  29. BlackFlag says:

    “they used the cover of the Wuhan International Military Games to slip a couple of operatives into the city to release the virus. ”

    More discreet to use a tourist or embassy personnel than military personnel visiting China for the sports event. Anyhow, if Iran was also targeted, that must have been the way it was done. The opportunity argument based on the sports event seems weak. There is always opportunity.

    • Agree: Ace, James N. Kennett
  30. GMC says:

    No doubt in my mind that Ron Unz has the best logical evidence of a BioWeapon being spread. Believing Anything the USG/OWO and their bought off ” Experts” have to say or write, shows just how programmed those believers are. Just the number of illegal international BioWeapons Labs that the West has around the world should – turn the light on. I mean – get a grip – the PCR test used around the world , should really be the smoking gun. RIP Kari Mullins {sp}. Thanks R U.

  31. Derer says:

    Theory of biowarfare attack is quite plausible but I will suggest a different twist to it. The object of attack was not China but the Trump election defeat and China was framed for originating the attacked. The American society is highly polarized and so is the biowarfare community. Trump haters concocted a clandestine plan knowing that the virus will make more economic damage in American undisciplined society at right time than in China. The fact remains that the Covid19 made minimal damage to China, however was main contributor to Donald Trump losing the election. The inventors of the plan have had correct expectations.

    • Replies: @anonym25
  32. Now, as to your theory itself, I’ll address your points, from the first set:

    (1) Quality is just plain not JOB 1 in China. All American consumers who put up with Cheap China-made Crap know this. Why would the Wuhan lab be any exception to this? As for the previous epidemics, same story.

    (2) Of course it was the worst time! Chinese New Years (Spring Festival) is like our Christmas, Thanksgiving, and 4th of July rolled into one. If anyone ever goes home at all, including from America to China, that’s when they will go. Perhaps that’s WHY the virus spread quickly in Wuhan (and to America soon after). is it “bad timing” of the leak, or just the time when any screw up at a major micro-biological lab would have the worst effect?

    (3) Fine, a sports team travelled to China, to one of the biggest cities. Have any other big groups of Americans travelled for competitions, touring, University programs, anything else, to Chinese big cities? How about Beijing? Is the idea that the spread of the virus in Wuhan in particular would be blamed on the lab?

    (4) “It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.” You just got done saying that this virus DIDN’T severely damage the Chinese economy (something I agree with).

    (5) I don’t see the point. Even with 95% of Americans (yes, number pulled out of my butt) believing that the virus came from China, that is not any major part of Americans’ animosity against Chinese people. It’s not personal at all in fact, but more the anger at American elites having sold out American manufacturing, while still letting in millions of Chinese people – legal and illegal (plenty!) to take the high level engineering/computer jobs that Americans could very well have done – nothing to do with the virus. We know these things come from the Orient most of the time.

    (6) Who are you to say it was only a dozen people infected in November? I’d be (if I cared) more likely to suspect that the Wuhan authorities knew they had a problem earlier, but would not reveal it out of fear of catching hell from the CCP and others. That’s the way it DOES GO in China.

    (7) I don’t know what went on in Iran. Was there an American sports team visiting, or any other large group?

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  33. I am still waiting to learn about any evidence connecting the months of rioting last year to any Covid 19 outbreaks. i.e. Does this “highly infectious” disease actually behave as such? But that is just me.

    Unz tells us the first question of fake or real is settled. Fine. The next choice is whether Covid 19 is man-made or not. Unz believes it was engineered. Since many labs are dicking around with viruses, this is very possible.

    But the “third possibility” is NOT if Covid 19 was released by some “rogue element” within the United State, “probably affiliated with Deep State Neocons” (Read Zionists), but rather simply if the emergence of Covid 19 was intentional, or not. IF it was an intentional, man-made release, you cannot venture solely that America was behind it. Other players must be considered, including China, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.

    Indeed, if it was Zionists (i.e. Jewish Neocons) acting as rogues within USA, it is rather unfair to call this act of biowarfare American and to conclude “America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.”

    In any case, while the world deserves to know the truth about this important detail, I pine for an essay by Unz regarding the larger question of how this “great plague” is being so extravagantly exploited by Big Pharma, Big Tech, and other Big Crooks for whom life usually tends to be rather cheap.

    • Thanks: some_loon
  34. Perhaps Ron Unz is too generous to the CCP and maybe it was a deliberate attack against the US. After all, according to the CCP, they need more “lebensraum” and the US empty of Americans would provide just that.
    https://www.trunews.com/stream/china-general-pla-must-kill-all-americans-with-biological-weapons

    • Troll: Sarah
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  35. Prickly says:

    Another excellent article by Ron. Why is it that everyone thinks im a nut case for trying to get them to see reason where this story is concerned. Logic is not a strong point for my fellow travelers. Anyway. Thanks ron. Keep em coming.

  36. so effectively target humans

    Taken together, Lemoine, Baker, and Wade have produced a large collection of high-quality articles on the origins of the global Covid-19 epidemic, but nowhere among their 54,000 words is there even a hint that the virus might possibly have had its origins in America’s well-documented and lavishly funded biowarfare program.

    we have seen to our dismay how a major outbreak can so easily wreck our entire economic life.

    Re The Old Microbiologist:

    One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

    George Webb had made a large number of YouTube vidoes of his investigations into the new Corona virus, and he concluded that from May 26, 2020: Was CoronaVirus a NATO ACT? – Look at Prewvious NATO ACTS

    and George Webb from May 24, 2020: CoronaVirus Roots – 50 Years of NATO Bioweapons Proxies

    • Thanks: annamaria
  37. @ronunz

    Perhaps I am an easily duped moron whose pursuits into this matter are infantile and untouchably out there , but for the life of me , I cannot get over the previous and ongoing research that Dr. Stefan Lanka and others have done and continue to do regarding germ and virus theory…

    [MORE]

    The most recent is here and constitutes , for this possible pseudo-intellectual here , a potent and direct refutation of the methodology which the “virus theory” pushers use to prove that their chosen entities actually are responsible for what they say they are…

    When one looks into this field , it seems that THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CONTROL EXPERIMENT to control for the possibility that the so-called cytogenic effect (which they have substituted for traditional purification and isolation techniques as “proof”) is not just something that happens to a cell removed from the host body and its nutrient source , soaked in fermaldahyde , antiobiotic stew , and a slew of other industrially produced compounds , as well as “starved” to a degree . Lanka has done this control and it turns out that the SAME EFFECT occurs with cells upon which their little death particles HAVE NOT been placed. THE CELL DOES THE EXACT SAME THING which they are attributing to their “virus” particle introduction . I beleive this is the thrid such study conducted by Lanka via independent labs – Look here :


    What I do not understand , after posting for nearly a year , being ignored , posts not making it into the comments , etc , is WHY @ronunz does not even care to broach the issue ?

    What gives ? Might you care to look into and refute Dr. Lanka , Dr. Kaufman , PCR test inventor himself , Kary Mullis … Deusberg’s book on the AIDS crisis ? The great folks at the PERTH institute ? Exosome theory ?

    Why isn’t this information worth considering to you , Mr. Unz ?

    Is all this stuff just beneath you or something ?

    • Agree: John Fisher
    • Thanks: Emslander, Alfred
  38. You missed the fourth “theory” … in my view, the only credible one.

    Given that no one has ever isolated (and therefore identified the genetic constituents of the Sars-Cov-2 virus OR ANY OTHER PATHOGENIC VIRUS) … and recognising that it has been demonstrated that the Sars-Cov-2 genome has been constructed from a computer template.

    i.e. it has been created by the mind of man, not by nature.

    Given that the “virus” is a unicorn that no one has ever seen, how can a genuine test for that virus be anything other than a fraud.

    [MORE]

    it was known for centuries that irregular and intense electromagnetic radiation emitted from the sun’s CORONA (How these Satanists mock us) generated at times of maximum sunspot activity caused serious chest infections . Hence their name “INFLUENZA” (from ‘influenza delle stelle’ [influence of the stars.)

    Given that the only available science re transmissibility of flu-like illneses demonstrates they are NOT CONTAGIOUS … read Virus Mania or The Invisible Rainbow for reports on experiments carried out in the USA during the Spanish Flu.

    Given all this and the fact the Diamond Princess was the first fully 5G’d cruise liner and Wuhan the first fully 5G’s city on earth the PRIME SUSPECT AS CAUSE OF COVID INFECTIONS IS 5G RADIATION.

    As you say:
    “… A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead …”

    • Agree: John Fisher, Alfred
    • Replies: @Spect3r
  39. IronForge says:

    Excellent Summary.

    Add to that, the 300 Army Olympics Participant Team ranked 31st – Not their “A” Team.

  40. Bigtone says:

    Sir
    Have followed you for years and admire you greatly.
    I have trouble however in following a proposition in this wonderfull treatise.
    A bio weapon is released in October November by undercover operatives in the Military Games.
    You then state that Maximum damage to be achieved in the travel hub of Wuhan During Lunar New Year.
    This was in late January.
    This is some two to three months after it was released.
    So I don’t quite understand how it could have been predicted to have taken hold to cause Maximum effect at Lunar New Year travel.
    This seems to be inconsistent with the somewhat “immediate” reactive deaths to Iranian elites.
    Thanks and keep up the great work.
    Tony Stewart from Down Under

    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @agnosticon
    , @naill
  41. mijj says:

    > “This global outbreak first began in Wuhan”

    tut tut.

    the first publicly known detection was in Wuhan. To say Wuhan was the first outbreak is wishful thinking.

    To expose the lack of reason: gravity was first identified in Cambridge by Isaac Newton in the 17th Century. Gravity did not originate in Cambridge in the 17th century.

  42. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-human-fingerprints-all-over-the-virus/

    Interesting article just published entitled “The human fingerprints all over the virus”, which has several relevant references that are worth citing:

    1. “Smoking gun” research from 2015 describing how the spike protein can be manipulated to produce a “chimeric virus” with the property that

    Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    2. a paper published last year on a Norwegian website last year by a Norwegian virologist and 2 colleagues, which

    tracks in detail how these and other unique features of the virus came about, from work on bat and human viruses first reported in 2008 by Dr Zheng-Li Shi and Wuhan Institute of Virology colleagues, through collaboration with American researchers working with human epithelial cells, which are widespread throughout the body, and culminating in a virus capable of infecting human lung, taste, intestinal and other tissues

    https://www.minervanett.no/angus-dalgleish-birger-sorensen-coronavirus/the-evidence-which-suggests-that-this-is-no-naturally-evolved-virus/362529

    https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

    • Thanks: annamaria
  43. Anonymous[479] • Disclaimer says:

    An article posted on http://www.Axisoflogic.com describes the whole charade of COVID-19 and related issues. Here: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_88611.shtml

  44. In 1747 James Lind found the cure for scurvy, lack of Vitamin C in the diet. However, the blind germ theory doctors fought the cure for 150 YEARS!! They enlisted the lying mainstream media and whore doctors to dispute the Vitamin C cure and insisted on quarantines, poison vaccines, etc instead. Other diseases followed this same pattern. No one has proven the existence of any harmful C virus to date, per Koch’s Postulates.

    [MORE]
    Yet, the mostly blind medical establishment, Big Pharma, lying mainstream media do not care about that. No matter what the illness, there is money to be made with poison vaccines, and other stupid practices like quarantines, not for the sick as in the past, but quarantines for the healthy also. This new practice is historic in its ignorance. The lockdowns have destroyed many businesses and made a few people rich by stealing those failing businesses. So, anyone who talks about the C virus as being real, is ignorant of the required proofs, Koch’s Postulates, and is playing into the hands of Big Pharma. The CDC has already admitted they faked the numbers. Whore doctors labeled deaths from other causes as C virus deaths because the victim MIGHT have had one of the C virus symptoms, a sneeze, a cough, a temperature. Talk about fraud. But, those doctors received cash awards from the governments for their lies, or misdiagnosis. Finally, there has been a growing number of doctors and nurses to expose the hoax, and some politicians are finally seeing the light. God will judge all the liars, eventually. Although it would be nice to see many go to prison, like Fauci and Gates.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  45. Fenrir says:

    Facts: masks did stop seasonal flu in its tracks, but they could not put an end to covid-19 (avian flu). Therefore the principal mode of transmission of covid-19 is atmosphere to individual, a fact well-known in the field of astrobiology. That is why masks and lockdowns are useless.

    [MORE]

    Facts: covid-19 was over in February 2020. It was the catastrophic decision of some scientists, taken on January 11, 2020, to start the trial vaccines (using HeLa cells in the lab). As soon as these trial vaccines got started, a new powerful strain appeared at the end of January 2020, the D614G strain. By March 2020, D614G had replaced the original Wuhan variant. Yet, the vaccines (mRNA and adenovirus) were created for the Wuhan variant, which is long gone. From the very start, a suboptimal response was created for the vaccination campaign.

    Facts: the B.1.1.7, B.1.351 and P.1 strains emerged all over Eastern Europe, all over the territories at once, mostly without travel history. Local health departments were at a loss to explain the phenomenon.

    The new wave (starting in August 2021) will include some 75% of the 10% of the vaccinated persons (10% is the accepted percentage, since we are told that the vaccines have some 90% efficacy (RRR,relative risk reduction; however, the ARR absolute risk reduction is 0.7%, respectively 1.1% for these vaccines)).

    Should that figure (10%) be overtaken later in the fall, people will start to understand that no vaccines will be able to stop the pandemic, especially when reassortment viruses will start to emerge.

    A third booster shot will only activate the antigenic sin condition.

    What is covid-19? Avian flu (M. avium, or mycobacterium avium, together with its passenger viruses, such as sars-cov-2).

    In the past, similar pandemics were observed, first influenza, to be followed by the real pathogenic agents raining down from the atmosphere.

    • Troll: Theophrastus
  46. Mr. Unz’ analysis, drawing together all the evidence of a real-life machiavellian scheme to destroy the Chinese economy, is irrefutable IMO. If Mr. Unz’ case was presented by the prosecution in a court of law (in a jurisdiction where real law is practiced, not an American one, of course) then the jury would inevitably be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that Corona Chan is a Team America ® product, with the USA in particular being the guilty party.

    Given the journalistic depth and competence of Mr. Unz’ research into the curious case of Benjamin Corona Chan, though, I would be very interested to know how he sees creepy Bill and Uncle Klaus’ pre-Corona preparations at Event 201 fitting into the mix? It seems that more than just the American and selected foreign militaries had foreknowledge of Corona Chan’s genesis.

    Who exactly is pulling the strings and calling the shots? Creepy billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates is widely considered to have control of the World Health Organisation and its many subsidiary agencies, and has a stranglehold on the global “health care” industry through his symbiotic involvement with Big Pharma, and there’s no question that he and others in his cohort have leveraged Corona Chan to dictate government policies globally and effect massive transfers of power and wealth from the people to corporate cartels, with the prospect of George Orwell’s 1984 now looming as a very real prospect across the Western world.

    But – and this is the point of my question – if Corona Chan was an act of American biological warfare (and IMO that’s exactly what it was) does creepy Bill’s foreknowledge evidenced by Event 201 indicate that creepy Bill and Uncle Klaus were in the loop with the American military and elements of the American government, and maybe even calling the shots?

    Curious people would like to know.

  47. Millions have already died, including many hundreds of thousands of Americans, with a newly released research study by the University of Washington’s authoritative Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) now suggesting that our domestic death-toll has already exceeded 900,000.

    “Authoritative”: hands up who had ever heard of this trusted authority before?

    Their study is codswallop: they begin by presuming all excess deaths in 2020 to be COVID deaths; they calculate, globally, that pandemic control measures led to 400,000 to 600,000 fewer deaths; and while they pay lip service to the idea that these measures may have also killed people, they decline to count almost all of those deaths on the grounds of “limited evidence”. Unsurprisingly, they find COVID deaths to be undercounted.

    [MORE]

    And they’d have to be, right? If all excess deaths were caused by COVID, and the pandemic measures on balance saved many lives, then there is a large deficit of deaths – purportedly expected, not excess – that requires explanation; and if you rule out pandemic measures as the cause, you are left with COVID or some third massive unusual driver of mortality that has somehow escaped everyone’s notice.

    ————————————-

    Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons…

    Egg’s on their face since Israel took a clobbering, I guess.

    I don’t know why it’s necessary for these elements to be “rogue”.

    …Covid-19 has rather low fatality rates, it is extremely contagious, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and can even spread by asymptomatic carriers…

    Surely we all know asymptomatic transmission to be bullshit by now? Most “asymptomatic carriers” are false positives or people who are immune to the virus.

    …the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease.

    Yes, these high-IQ Hans have left us round-eyes red-faced once again. Truly the 21st will be the Chinese century…

    Alternatively, it suited Chinese elites to claim success, and western elites to cry havoc.

    I’ve said elsewhere that Ron’s biowarfare hypothesis is looking better all the time, but that doesn’t mean it’s perfect.

  48. My aesthetic caveat: Good stories make perfect sense. The ones dealing with the real world don’t. So, this essay qualifies as being too good to be true.
    (Or to put it slightly differently: Not rough enough to be real (= accurate)).

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: some_loon
  49. BlackFlag says:
    @Sparkylyle92

    Yes, also easier for a non-state actor to keep secrets. The power of many governments has already been eclipsed by private entities after all. Perhaps even an individual malcontent, e.g. something like a spree shooter.

    • Replies: @Geowhizz
  50. @Gizmo880

    Even if China were the ‘victim’ in this case, they are no more trustworthy or moral than their Western counterparts.

    Yes they are.

    Beyond the simple contemporary contrast between the current respective trajectories of the formerly affluent American public and the rising prosperity of the Chinese people, history emphatically demonstrates the point.

    China is a mercantile entity – it accomplishes it’s purposes through negotiation and trading. Examine it’s multi-millennial track record – China doesn’t do war, unless it’s forced to defend itself.

    Contrast this with the several centuries of the USA’s blood-soaked existence. The USA uses money to coerce compliance with it’s will, always for its own advantage at the expense of its counterparts in a zero-sum game, and backs that up with assassinations, false flags, staged “colour revolutions”, proxy “civil wars” and outright unilateral military invasion and destruction of any nation that dares to challenge or assert independence from its rule.

    The ruling American elites apply these principles in equal measure to their own people as much to foreign entities. Remember Pearl Harbour – they set it up, they knew it was coming, and they let it happen. Remember the Liberty – do you really even need to ask? Remember Operation Northwoods – only President Kennedy had the conscience and morality to put a halt to that, and we all know President Kennedy’s fate at the hand of US Army snipers. Remember Operation Gladio, where European governments got to do the slaughter and mayhem on their own people that President Kennedy stopped when he killed Operation Northwoods. Remember 11 September 2001 – not only did the American government organise and carry out this atrocity, the American people enthusiastically went along with it. And so on it goes.

    In any competition for trustworthiness, China is way up on the plus side of the ledger when compared to the USA. Dealing with China is akin to dealing with fair but astute businessmen. The USA is as trustworthy as a cabal of out-of-control gangsters.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @nosquat loquat
    , @Franz
  51. BlackFlag says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (4) “It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.” You just got done saying that this virus DIDN’T severely damage the Chinese economy (something I agree with).

    The plan didn’t work because China responded with unprecedented quarantines.

    (7) I don’t know what went on in Iran. Was there an American sports team visiting, or any other large group?

    All you need is someone working at the embassy or a tourist. Because it infected their political elite, maybe a diplomat. It is strange how it happened to the political elite of Iran and not other countries. Has someone tracked the movement of their politicians during this time? For example, maybe a well-connected politician was in Wuhan at the time.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  52. @stevennonemaker88

    So, let’s get this straight. If I am drunk and run into a tree, I did not die of a fatal accident I died of alcoholism? And, if I have diabetes and trip and fall I died of diabetes and not from hitting my head? And, if I have COPD and suffer a stroke I died of COPD and not the stroke? Are you serious?

    The point is almost a million people are dead THAT WOULD NOT BE DEAD IF THEY DID NOT CATCH COVID 19. Let that sink in. Almost a million people would be alive and living their lives if they had not caught COVID 19. Who cares that they had pre-existing conditions? They died because they caught COVID 19. They would be ALIVE had they not caught it.

    What don’t you understand about that? It isn’t that hard. It does not matter that they were old. It does not matter they had heart disease. It does not matter they had COPD. If they had not caught COVID 19 they would be ALIVE today. They died because they got COVID 19. Nearly a million people are dead because they caught COVID. Let it sink in.

  53. @Just another serf

    “Covid is the current terror campaign. Previously, it was climate change. Didn’t work. Before that, 9/11 and Muslim terrorism. There was Sandy Hook. It goes on and on. Terrorize the population. ”

    Yes, always the same MO with four steps.

    1. Proclaim a catastrophic emergency — “We’re all gonna die.”
    2. Demand “emergency” powers — “We need them to keep you from dying”
    3. Demonize skeptics — “Ignore the conspiracy theorists and kooks.”
    4. Promise a panacea — “The vaccine is on the way.”

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2021/02/back-to-normal-i-told-you-so.html

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  54. The scientific case for the natural origins of the virus becomes pitifully weak, thereby automatically elevating the competing lab-leak hypothesis, which had previously been denounced and stigmatized as a so-called “conspiracy theories.” For example, despite fifteen months of presumably intensive effort, the Chinese have failed to locate evidence of any wildlife population hosting a closely-related precursor virus, which had easily been found in the previous cases of emergent viral epidemics such as SARS and MERS. Indeed, the closest natural relative to Covid-19 only exists among bats in the caves of Yunnan, nearly 1,000 miles distant from the Wuhan outbreak.

    This article’s thesis rests on the assumption that, because China raised the alarm about Covid-19, the virus originated in China, an odd inference if ever there was one, given that China was the only country with a Coronavirus detection network.

    We also know that the CDC found that Covid-19 was in the US before it was in China, agreeing with findings in Italy, Spain, and France. 

    Tests of archived Red Cross blood samples taken in the US from December 13, 2019, revealed high levels of Covid antibodies nationwide. Read Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020, Sridhar V Basavaraju, MD, et al. https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472.

    [MORE]

    Here’s the summary data from that paper, with the boldfaced numbers calculated from the CDC’s percentages:

    Since we know that Covid deaths double every 139 days in the USA, and that 70,000 Americans died from it in December, 2020, we can calculate the approximate arrival date of the virus here, 2015:

    And since the WHO reported that there was no sign of the virus in China before December, 2019, we can be pretty confident that Covid is not a Chinese invention.

    Two facts fortify that conclusion:

    1. Wuhan was not a bioweapons facility–as attested by the French scientists who designed, built and supervised it and the American scientists who worked there.

    2. The US has, in the past, launched many bio-attacks on China and other countries and maintains between 400 and 4,000 biowarfare centers around the globe.

    My money is on a natural origin, in India, around 2010. Place your bets.

  55. gotmituns says:

    At this point, the “origins” aren’t important, only combatting the massive media propaganda campaign and the vaccine.

    • Agree: Publius 2, GMC, Alfred
  56. Mike Tre says:

    The truth in one sentence:

    The severity of this unremarkable virus was monumentally over exaggerated by the cowardly medical bureaucracies, assisted by the criminally and greedy stupid (social) media / retail machine, and exploited by just about every local, state and federal* executive / agency to seize more authority and control over an already complicit citizenry.

    It really is as simple as that. The rest is fodder.

    *Your country may vary.

  57. some_loon says:

    If China’s leadership is of similar opinion to Ron Unz on this matter, it would explain their initial response (after a period of denial and of ignoring it).

    The Chicoms may now figure their best response is to shrug it off while letting the west engage in self-harm.

    Many places have had large protests against lockdowns. I know of nowhere that has seen a public demonstration demanding a stay-at-home order, the closure of schools, the prohibition of public gatherings, or anything like that.

    China’s people will not rebel against being allowed to live their lives as they have been, even if the goverment there covers up Coronavirus deaths.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  58. My comment 36 was merely preparatory jotting towards a comment. How it got published only my mysterious keyboard knows for sure….

    I was intending to make the point that while biowarfare clearly seems involved, the fourth line of inquiry – as mentioned above in some of the comments – makes far more sense: The “great Reset” – aka incredibly evil totalitarian arrogance – is not an ad hoc mere taking advantage of an opportune new health problem.

    Rather, it is an extremely ambitious, planned. massively financed and coordinated operation that involves extensive censorship of just about every honest and sensible or independent inquiry of the subject in global mass media.

    In Canada for example not just has the major media incessantly promoted COVID propaganda and censored contrary opinion, analysis and fact, but small local media across Canada have participating in the hype and manipulation.

    The lies and censorship and draconian policies included constantly invoking the vision of the ultimate saviour up ahead: the wonderful ‘vaccines’, aka evil shit. Which has arrived.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  59. John Hagan says: • Website

    A ‘body’ can be 99 percent healthy yet one cancerous cell can cause much damage growing into a tumour. Although it realizes that by destroying the very body it feeds on it is also destroying itself yet that end does not prevent its greed for reproduction. Most US citizens are well aware where the tumour lies and its progress.
    For those who have the interest I made a short video illustrating the thesis above regarding the possibility that US is suffering a malignant tumour in three areas.The three areas are the war machine, wall street, education

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  60. 22pp22 says:
    @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    No, many of the people who died of COVID had weeks, not years to live. Many of the people who died of COVID a year ago would probably not be alive today if they had never been infected. A really bad flu season will cause a spike in the death rate. I am overweight. It places me at greater risk of an early death. Most of the time, I keep my weight under control, but I have fallen off the wagon recently. It is MY FAULT.

    Obesity makes you vulnerable to COVID. Obesity is a choice.

    • Replies: @WJ
    , @Curmudgeon
  61. Another great analysis by Unz. The “truth” is dead as far as the U.S. establishment media has any relationship with it. For these “reporters”, the truth is that which is written in the approved by the elite playbook, not any real world facts. The fact checkers are shills in this media. For example, there isn’t a single story about either Trump or those tens of millions of Americans that is reported by this establishment media that can be taken at face value. Thus, all that is left are headlines like, “such and such a place– some town or city, or suburb in the U.S. has been taken over by right wing “extremists.” And presumably for this toxic establishment media, there are no places that have been “taken over” by left wing “extremists”, since according to this media’s silence in the face of riots, murders, lootings and arson against American citizens, there are no left wing “extremists”. So this is the “place” we are now at in the U.S.

  62. Peter Daszak, an American closely associated with the Wuhan lab

    Daszak is British:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daszak

  63. Biff says:

    Did a search on whether the vaccine is trust worthy and came up with this:

    The technologies used to develop the COVID-19 vaccines have been years in development to prepare for outbreaks of infectious viruses. The manufacturing processes were ready very early in the pandemic.

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

    Kind of sounds like they were planning ahead for Covid-19.

    • Agree: GMC, Tor597
    • Replies: @GMC
  64. @Gizmo880

    Note the timeline of Hong Kong pro-democracy protests, March 2019 – May 2020

    Within 90 days of people being shown ‘dying in Wuhan streets’ from covid, the ‘pro-democracy’ movement against Beijing, was all over

    Plus for Western oligarchs, the ‘Great Reset’ and sabotaging of Trump were well underway … And now, it’s déjà vu

    • Agree: aspnaz, Theophrastus
  65. Avalanche says:

    ” ignoring that very real third possibility of an American biowarfare attack.”

    And yet, you completely ignore the ??equally?? likely FOURTH possibility of a Chinese biowarfare attack?

    Why did China shut down ALL internal traffic, yet leave massive numbers of flights direct from Wuhan into ITALY, which then suffered the first and most devastating spread?
    What about the ‘never occurred ANYwhere else on the planet’ videos of people in China just collapsing on the street’?
    Why did China lie and lie again about “bat soup” and other such misdirections?

    Maybe you do have more info possibly pointing *against* America — but to completely leave OUT the country that was actively ‘messing about’ with bat genes and biowarfare agents?!

    Things that make you go “hmmmmm.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Curmudgeon
  66. @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    I think the point he is arguing is that the cause of death was often NOT Covid 19 but other factors in many of these cases. If one suffers from late stage diabetes as you said and yet catches Covid and dies later, is Covid responsible? There’s often no proof that it is. Hospitals it is known, receive huge amounts of money for deaths listed as Covid 19, this is another complicating factor on the veracity of believing what the patient died from,etc. I think these are the kind of cases the poster was arguing about and why the numbers are possibly not completely accurate. No one, I hope, would argue that Covid 19 is not a serious virus that should be the cause of proper caution, especially by people who have co-morbidity factors, such as being obese, are over the age of 70 or so and so on.,

    • Thanks: stevennonemaker88
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  67. Trump falling for #covidhoax was one one of his worst blunders. Per your #3, it’s certainly suspicious how quickly The Enemy mobilized, doubly so with orders to isolate when it’s been known for 100 years sunlight and fresh air kill viruses.

    Secession on any scale is hopefully in the cards. There is no redemption for blue idiots. Raise the door of the Ark, it’s been raining for years.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
    , @HbutnotG
  68. Publius 2 says:

    Lol — nice try. Nobody has died. Not one person has been killed by “the virus.” Some very old and unhealthy people have died WITH a coronavirus in them. “The virus” was not the proximate cause of their death, to a legal standard of causation.

    [MORE]

    Those people would have died from the common cold, pneumonia, or the flu anyway.

    Quite obviously.

    The plandemic was literally a hoax to punish white people for electing Trump in 2016, even though he was the most Jewish president ever and did nothing close to what the dumb goyim elected him to do. Obviously.

    It was yet another American secular Jewish attack on white people. Why is it supposedly all over the world? Because the same “interests” control the global media in Europe too and white people everywhere, from Brazil to Poland, have been trying to fight back.

    The neurotic communists are still making my 4 year old wear a suffocating mask to attend preschool, so I take this attack personally.

    Communists are incapable of learning and they are unable to perceive how they are perceived.

    • Agree: aspnaz, acementhead
    • Replies: @Biff
  69. This is CCP/DNC blowback from Trump’s tariff war.

    We are being collectively punished.

    Our population decimated.

    Thus beatings will stop when morale improves.

  70. GeeBee says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Very well said. Too many people (and not merely Americans) still buy into the carefully promulgated idea of the USA as being a benign entity, determined to defend ‘freedom and democracy’ throughout the world. Leaving on one side the fact that those twin lies constitute the main propaganda weapon of a mendacious tyrant, the truth about the USA is exactly as you describe.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  71. @greencrow

    And it was suddenly imperative to “vaccinate” everyone in the world as a “consequence”. A paragraph or two on this subject is not off topic for many of us.
    Thankyou for your tireless work, Greencrow.

  72. some_loon says:
    @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    While I agree eith your broader point about co-morbidities, you are overstating the case.

    First, you seem to assume as true the very point in contention: that deaths attributed as Covid are not mis-attributed.

    [MORE]

    A person tests positive and dies of a heart attack. Did he die of Covid-19?
    Maybe. It is known to have cardiac effects. But a non-trivial number of false positives occur with the PCR, and that includes people with co-morbidities. And, absent further investigation, we do not know about a particular case, but are asked to take the certifying physician’s word for it, that but for the Covid, the patient would have lived.

    Given the credible reports of financial incentives for hospitals to diagnose Covid-19, and of hospitals pressuring doctors to go along with that, I am led to believe that we cannot take these numbers as anything but overstated. Especially given all the other nonsense around the establishment narrative and response.

    Which leads us to you seeming to accept the UW study’s conclusions that deaths in the USA due to Covid-19 have actually been understated. I ask you, do you have a real reason to believe that?

  73. aspnaz says:

    If you believe that Covid is anything more than re-branded influenza, then you are an idiot. I could explain why, but we are almost 18 months into this scam and if you have not worked it out for yourself by now, you are simply too angry to listen to logic.

    • Agree: Emslander, Alfred
    • Replies: @anon4321534534
  74. hillaire says:

    I think this article can be summed up thus:

    One fine day in the middle of the night,

    [MORE]

    Two dead boys got up to fight,

    Back to back they faced each other,

    Drew their swords and shot each other,

    One was blind and the other couldn’t, see

    So they chose a dummy for a referee.

    A blind man went to see fair play,

    A dumb man went to shout “hooray!”

    A paralysed donkey passing by,

    Kicked the blind man in the eye,

    Knocked him through a nine inch wall,

    Into a dry ditch and drowned them all,

    A deaf policeman heard the noise,

    And came to arrest the two dead boys,

    If you don’t believe this story’s true,
    Ask the blind man he saw it too!

    I’m still waiting for a virus isolate and some honest stats…

    • LOL: some_loon
  75. I’m a simple man. What was the motive? It seems to me that the non deadly virus was released with a likewise manufactured fear as a catalyst. The “cure” is being mindlessly self administered and paid for by the victims. Gov 101.

  76. Zago says:

    A large lacunae in research material that Ron makes use of is that by investigative journalists George Webb (no relation to Whitney Webb). He has written several books and produced videos (many banned) on the subject. He can be found at.

    https://www.neighborhoodnewsstudio.com

  77. cranc says:

    That Ron Unz’s contribution to the hypothesis of unnatural origin is worthy does not make his US-bioweapon-attack-against-China theory plausible.

    A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead us as much as any outright lie.

    Never a truer word spoken. If only Ron Unz would address the aspects of the Covid crisis which have been repeatedly pointed out hundreds of times in his comment section but which he steadfastly ignores because they do not fit his hypothesis.
    11 of these concerns (listed here :https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b) form the argument of a large and growing movement opposing the ‘global governance response’ to SarsCov2.
    We are seeing an accelerated decline of the US dollar system and a shift to a new global paradigm, and that, in geopolitcal terms is what is being facilitated by the release of SC2.

  78. Covid is a psyop. It doesn’t exist; we just had a bad flu season. It was bought into hook, line, and sinker by American Boomer frauds because they had to come to grips with their own mortality when classic rock stations transitioned from Bob Seger to Nirvana.

    Now the Covid cucks will continue to wear their masks, take the yearly ‘vaccine boosters’, and live in fear….forever.

    • Agree: fred777
  79. Anastasia says:

    The problem is that no one knows if they have the virus because the symptoms are varying, and the test is unreliable. So who has it and who doesn’t? The PCR test only finds pieces of genetic material. It doesnot find a virus, The antibody test would be positive for corona virus if one had an ordinary corona virus cold.

    [MORE]

    What are the symptoms of this disease. Even in the first Clinical Study in Chinaof 41 people, you can clearly read that the symptoms were different in all of the 41 patients in the study. No one had the same symptoms. How could they possibly say that people came down with “mysterious disease”,if everyone had different symptoms? And they gave each of the 41 patients in the study the PCR test every day for two weeks. One day it was positive and the next negative on each person. How is that possible if the test is a reliable test?

    They tell us that the ordinary flu and pneumonia has disappeared? For the first time in human history that has happened? How is that possible? I submit. It is not possible.

    What has to be looked at eventually is how many people died in 2020 and 2021. Those figures will not be up for a while, but if the same number ofpeople died each of those years as in past years, (of any cause!!!) you know you don’t have a virus. What you have are a lot of lies. Frankly, at this point, even if they put down thousands more, I would have a difficult time believing them.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  80. GayDad69 says:

    Wasn’t Fauci himself overseeing or directing funding to gain of function research in Wuhan?

    I find it much more plausible that our elites would cooperate with China to essentially coup the USA to their mutual benefit. Too many people make too much money from China, they don’t want China going anywhere but up.

    I see no difference between traitorous American elites and hostile foreign Chinese. They are both enemies, though without one the other is powerless. Given our proximity to the former, they are the easier enemy to remove from power, though neither is easy overall.

    If we want to neuter China’s threat towards ourselves, all we must do is stop trading with them.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  81. Biff says:
    @Publius 2

    Hmmm, while you consider the virus to be fake, and a construct of a one world government. I’m in Asia surrounded by billions of people who are still distrustful of other peoples governments in the same way have been distrustful for centuries, yet somehow through six degrees of separation they know through other family members that the virus is very real, and quite deadly to compromised family elders.

    Whom should I believe? Some unknown schmuck on the internet? Or most of the planet?

    • Replies: @Publius 2
  82. Many thanks, Ron Unz, for once again presenting what remains the most cogent explanation for the bizarre Covid-19 caper — ever since former insider Francis Boyle first authoritatively nailed it more than a year ago as a chimeric parasite clearly designed in a government biowarfare laboratory. After rigorous efforts to debunk or censor that unassailable conclusion, the masters of the narrative in government and media are only now resorting to back-filling articles, meaning they’ve recognize that their barrage of natural-origin propaganda is quickly losing traction. But this revision is only a limited hang-out.

    So much for the science. We are still left with the decisive political battle of pinning the blame on the bad guys of choice. Is it China or the USSA? Unlike Trump and Pompeo, you seem to be absolving China as an innocent bystander who astutely came up with the more effective response to the artificial scourge.

    I wonder whether it is that simple. Perhaps there are two warring factions within our own deep state: One being the militarist clique that sought to weaponize the term Wuhan virus to confront directly and even kenetically the grave challenge of a rising China to the empire’s geopolitical world hegemony; the other — the ascendant Fauci oligarchic technological/financial and internationalist clique — that seeks some mutual accommodation with China because it foresees China’s ultimate triumph with its superior political economy and intact society. Call that the China faction because China seems to be playing along smugly on the same team, starting with the cozine$$ between Wuhan lab and Fauci/WHO.

    You didn’t mention the strangeness of the USSA’s response to Corona, which speaks for the hidden motives behind it. The illegal biowarfare labs were not closed. But we wrecked our own Main Street economy, employment opportunities and Americal traditions — actions typically reserved to an attacking enemy in a real war. The political leadership has deliberately alienated half our own citizenry as “deplorables”, racists and potential “domestic terrorists”. They have also attacked the major social and cultural institutions, from the churches and voting to spectator sports, travel, leisure and free flow of information. And there are many more such self-inflicted crimes in the vaccine scam.

    Why would the leaders do that to themselves if they merely wanted to create a few viral speed bumps for rival China? Covid-19 was certainly the means, as you say. But it mainly provided the opportunity for major social engineering in the USSA. And maybe the overriding motive for these criminal shenanigans is not as clear cut as you suggest. The globalist progressive leadership now installed in the United States seems bent on imitating what it regards as the superior Chinese social and political model, which also serves their own globalist corporate interests. And imitation of China is the purest form of flattery.

    • Replies: @Jeffrey A Freeman
  83. Larry Holmes had a good jab.

    The Harris/Biden Administration does not.

  84. @Stephen Paul Foster

    There’s also a step 0.

    0. Run a simulation on computers and get a bunch of “experts” together to plan a response.

  85. Skeptikal says:

    Unz: “Readers may judge for themselves, but I believe that my articles have demonstrated that the evidence supporting that excluded hypothesis is considerably stronger than that favoring either of those other two possibilities, ”

    I think Unz is making a basic logical mistake in his article.
    I have not read the Baker or Lemoine pieces, but I read Wade’s with great concentration and interest.

    The principal subject of Wade’s article is the origin of the virus itself. The VIRUS.
    It is analogous to identifying a weapon used in a murder.
    Was it a rock, or a piece of concrete, or a hammer?
    Means. Opportunity. Motivation.
    Wade’s focus is means. Run Unz jumps right to motivation to explain the origin of the virus.
    Arguments from motivation are inherently weak because in the main they rest on suppositions, circumstantial evidence, etc.
    That does not nullify them at all. But they don’t help the forensic process because they tend to constituute massive opportunities for red herrings, arguments that go way off track into thickets of projections, etc.

    They are full of “would have’”s and “would not have”s—just wild guesses.

    In his article Wade strongly suggests, toward the end, that the buck for the creation of the SARS2 virus stops, actually, with Dr. Anthony Fauci. Wade most strongly puts Dr. Bat Woman in the “accused” box, but he also brings in Dr. Fauci as her enabler. resumably Bat Woman’s work was legal within China, even though the lab was not secure. But Fauci and Paszak actually broke *American* law by funding her research.

    Wade is an American and he is writing for an American audience, and it is with *American* crimes and responsibility that Americans must come to terms.

    Furthermore Wade is to endlessly applauded for, at the end of his article, calling out the blinkered mentality whereby anything Trump said was assumed to be nonsense and people automatically thought the opposite thing. This is a polite way of calling out Trump Derangement Syndrome. Someone has to do this so that the reckoning of the damage TDS has caused can also become part of the general reckoning.

    Wade works very carefully, step by step, to present scientific evidence for the probable origin and hence identity and characteristics of the murder weapon in clear language that readers can follow. BRAVO!! It is a bravura performance. Wade’s account does not exclude the possibility of intentional release of the virus, but how the virus got into the population is not, IMO, his primary focus.

    Ron Unz here jumps the gun.

    • Agree: St-Germain
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  86. Anastasia says:

    It is not “a high communicability, low lethality disease that will ruin an economy.

    It was the measures taken that ruined economies.

    A highly communicable, low lethality disease, such as a cold, should be ignored by governments.

    Perhaps Ron Unz does not remember that no government has ever in the history of the human race taken such measures.

    • Agree: Kali
  87. Emslander says:

    Unz’s obsessive focus upon his irrelevant “origins” theories is just part of the smoke and mirrors. It’s becoming clearer to every observant thinking human being that the normally healthy people of the universe have been played.

    There may have been a strain of SARS influenza, wholly expected by the epidemiologists a year earlier, that came upon the scene in September of 2019. It’s not been particularly dangerous, either by its infectiousness or its morbidity, but has been used by nearly every power-hungry entity of the governing rulers as a convenient reason for ignoring all the protections the citizens have historically enjoyed against overreach.

    SARS2COVID19 is just another hoax of the failing and flailing liberalism that appeared at the end of the eighteenth century to destroy good order.

  88. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    This possibility is worth considering for sure. One thing that I can’t explain is if it was a false flag, why would China enact effective anti-transmission measures within China including shutting down travel beteeen provinces while at the same time refusing to ban its citizens from traveling internationally? Incompetence or malice? It seems more like malice to me.

    OTOH if China was the progenitor then if they were smart they would have sent it to somewhere besides Wuhan. If it did escape mistakenly from the lab but once out, could be taken advantage of (i.e. accidental early release), that is the only reason I can think of for their behavior. Maybe they made the best of a bad situation.

    Usually though you are right, USreal operates through false narratives of nefarious enemies striking first that are well propagandized. Gulf of Tokin, East Wind Rain, Suvurov’s thesis, etc. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

  89. Realist says:
    @The Real World

    Wow, I had a hard time reading past that.

    Then why did you?

    • Replies: @The Real World
    , @Refl
  90. I was also very impressed by Nicolas Wade piece. I think it demolishes the myth of natural origin. Ron Unz theory of bioweapon attack is more plausible than an accidental leak. But Unz may consider another version: the subject of the attack was the whole of mankind, while the perpetrators are the Davos Wizards dreaming of Great Reset. Yes, they wanted China to suffer the first blow, and they wanted Iran to be hurt badly, but perhaps these are secondary elements, while the most prominent is their desire to end the world we had, with too much democracy, too many disobedient, too many people travel abroad, not enough police control. View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us.

  91. Avalanche says:
    @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    Whew. Logic much? (Guessing not.)

    “If I am drunk and run into a tree, I did not die of a fatal accident I died of alcoholism?”

    If you did not HAVE “alcoholism” — you would most likely not have run into a tree. So, yes, you DIED of the underlying condition! If you had untreated apnea and thus were excessively tired, fell asleep, and ran into a tree, you died of the overall results of apnea: proximate cause was the tree — but the CAUSE of hitting the tree was NOT the tree!

    [MORE]

    “if I have diabetes and trip and fall I died of diabetes and not from hitting my head?”

    IF you have untreated diabetes, and slip into a diabetic coma at the head of the stairs and fall… then yes; you died of a fall *caused by* your untreated diabetes (i.e., you died “from”, not merely “with” diabetes). The fall was caused by your diabetes; see: the non-existent chances of you ‘falling into a diabetic coma’ and then falling down the stairs.
    If you did NOT have untreated diabetes and slipped and fell, there there would be no medically tracked underlying cause of death except perhaps clumsiness or poor eyesight or lack of handrail or someone pushed you! Those CAUSED you to fall; and the fall CAUSED your death.

    “if I have COPD and suffer a stroke I died of COPD and not the stroke?”

    Again, you’re mixing up proximate cause(s) and underlying cause(s). IF the stroke resulted from the circulatory damage done BY the COPD, then YES the death was caused — and unsurprising — because of the COPD. If the stroke was caused by an unrelated to COPD brain aneurysm, then that bleed-out caused your death. (Not sure if that would be testable. And the govt would blame it on COVID anyway. {frown})

    IF you have obesity or COPD or diabetes or, MOSTLY, advanced age, then adding the burden of a ‘very bad flu’ — and the complete LACK of effective treatment despite there being several extant — to those comorbidities does NOT mean you ‘died of COVID.’ It means you were already “on death’s door’ — and this latest bad flu merely opened the door for you!

    Did you notice yet that the ‘average age of COVID death is HIGHER than the average of death over all? Those folks died of old age, *WITH* the addition of the ‘bad flu’ — they’d’ve likely died of ‘normal’ flu, or a bad cold too! OLDER and SICKER than the average age of death!

    Did you notice yet that very sick , very old, even already on ventilators (the cause of much of the early deaths!) folks with ONE FOOT already through that door, when the hospital was FORCED by the courts to give another dose of ivermectin RECOVERED and *went home* — even though still sick with their underlying comorbidities and great age?! TREATMENTS exist — but if the FDA admits that, then they CANNOT give “EUA” — EMERGENCY use authorization — for the multi-BILLION dollar, genetic modifier not-vax!

    Do you not ‘get’ that the govt/medical field/Big Pharma are LYING about the causes and numbers of deaths?! AND the availability of EFFECTIVE-ENOUGH treatments to have SAVED hundreds of thousands of lives!?

  92. Darkwing says:

    The “Beer” virus started at the University North Carolina, taken to a military Base in Maryland, taken to China, hoping to kill million, it got away and the rest is history. BTW, the “Beer” virus is nothing but a bad Flu.

  93. Brilliant article.
    MSM does not modify the truth anymore.
    MSM now lies outright.
    It is a new day.

    • Agree: Jeffrey A Freeman
  94. @Biff

    “Has/will Ron Unz trust(ed) the establishment and take the vaccine?”

    Now THAT is a very good question (and one I personally would love to know the answer to…… )

  95. @BlackFlag

    Again very funny why immediately they knew it was the Wuhan wet market and agent was pangolin. However, there were other events transpiring earlier in Spain – Italy – Iran- France which were not receiving the same press.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  96. “… strongly suspect that the coronavirus outbreak was indeed an American biowarfare attack against China, probably carried out by agents brought into that country under cover of the Military Games held at Wuhan in late October … ”

    I also came to that conclusion soon after the “pandemic” developed.

    Ref Trump’s ham-fisted trade-war, the CIA riots in HK for “democracy” (lol), the other plagues to mysteriously hit China at the same time, the amazing “virus” jump to Iran where it killed senior govt members … plus the added murderous insult of sanctions and the assassination of Gen. Soleimani while on a peace mission …

    Posting this probability on websites drew replies characterising me (and others having similar views) as “bat-eating Chinks” etc and opining that the best thing then to do was to bomb the Three Gorges Dam in all-out war on “Chinks” …

    Q. Why would anyone think that USA would do such a thing ?
    A. Because it is just what it would do and has done for the last approx 120 years on behalf of the Jewish-Freemason elite that owns it.

    Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare.

    Well said, Ron Unz, except for this demur —

    They are not “rogue elements” nor some sort of shadowy “Deep State”.
    These are the actions of the US govt proper, accurately labelled as Zionist Occupied Govt (ZOG) aka ZUSA, which is entirely at the service of Israel. These actions are carried out, like many before them, for the zio war against the non-Jewish world.

    The USA is not really a govt/country but a Mad Dog, a zionist Criminal Enterprise.

    • Replies: @Krusty1234
  97. @murraycohen

    Donald Trump said “It is the China virus” and Donald is correct. Donald is nothing more than a con man posing as Leader of USA but in reality was President of Israel. Donald Trump is a Jewish shill doing Netanyahu’s bidding and Benjamin laughs how USA fell for the idea that Donald would drain the swamp. Trump is the biggest toad in the swamp –ramped up by Jews Kushner and Kushner’s criminal father who was excused by Trump. However, Trump is gone and Now Amtrak Joe is boss —–train arrives New Orleans before it leaves Chicago??

    • Replies: @Anastasia
  98. With respect, what Ron missed out, or chose not to agree with, is the part more infectious variants have played in the development of the pandemic as it first originated in the USA, then moved to Europe and China.

    From all the media attention given to the new variants n the acceptance that they have significant contributed to the resurgence in India and Asia of infected cases again, it’s very clear that I was 100% right when I said:

    “Covid-19 might have originated in the USA as a year-long lab leak from USAMRIID Fort Detrick, but flew under the radar as its early variants were not as infectious as the new variants now, resulting in many small clusters across the USA that were mistaken for the seasonal Flu, and it never scaled up into becoming a full scale epidemic, but was still were able to travel to Europe, India and China and seed those other countries.”

    “To confirm that Covid-19 originated from Fort Detrick, simply test the samples taken from the 2 senior care homes nearby that experienced fatal and mass Covid-19 outbreaks from Fort Detrick in July 2019.”

    China with its detection system, was the first to detect the outbreak in Wuhan, but to say that Covid-19 originated from there without any strong evidence is absurd(so far there is no evidence at all)

    We might as well say that HIV originated in the USA because it was first reported in the USA before it spread like crazy from here, infecting the world.

    We might as well say that the 1918 pandemic influenza originated in the USA because it has its first outbreak in Kansas, before it went on, through the US Army, to infect the rest of the world during WW1.

    We might as well say that 2009 H1N1 North American Swine Flu originated in Texas and California because the CDC reported the first cases popping up there before simultaneous outbreaks across the USA and Mexico exploded, then travelled out from the USA to infect the world.

    And horseshoe bats carrying coronavirus were found all across the USA in the early 2000s by researchers.

    So our Fort Detrick may have accidentally or negligently released Covid-19, but instead of destroying China, it raped(Trump’s fav phrase) the USA first, and now it is raping India.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  99. Farquad says:

    Excellent analysis refuting the false binary choice and illustrating the alternative that is so obvious thanks to its continual omission, but…….

    Why assume it is an AMERICAN bioweapon? There are of course other possibilities that are also obvious by their omission.

  100. neprof says:
    @Theophrastus

    Another curious event that happened in May of 2019 is when the US Congress displayed bipartisan agreement on an issue. The US House passed a the SECURE act by a vote of 417-3, yes..417-3. Anytime Congress passes a bill with such a bipartisan majority, it’s cause for notice (perhaps concern). Esp. during the political divide that 2019 presented. The Senate later approved (overwhelming) the same bill in December and President Trump signed the bill into law the next day on Dec. 20th 2019.

    The bill requires inherited IRAs to be distributed completely within ten years of inheritance. A tax windfall for the government esp. if a large number of elderly were to pass away, suddenly.

    I think the only flaw in the COVID plan was that the virus petered out too soon. I t was suppose to be on the scale of 1918, but viruses are hard to predict.

  101. WJ says:
    @22pp22

    I suspect that Nancy is obese and therefore terrified of the disease. I have come across quite a few older people like this. They look at the large number of people killed by Corona and fail to consider many of these people would be dead within a year anyway.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  102. @Tor597

    Coronavirus specifically was seen as a threat years before it emerged

    Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) which first was detected in 2012 made it very clear SARS was not going to be a one-off, and MERS has continued to be a threat due to it having a camel reservoir. That’s a major reason Moderna for example was able to develop its vaccine candidate literally over a weekend after the first genetic sequences from the PRC were published, a great deal of research had been done on making safe SARS coronavirus vaccines (which curiously the strong women of Oxford didn’t take advantage of).

    If our host’s theory is correct, a SARS type coronavirus would be one of the best pathogens to release, especially since it was known the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) was doing gain of function research. There’s no way the institute can prove its innocence, especially in the context of how the CCP handles such disasters. For example, the publication of the very first sequence was not authorized and the lab that did it was immediately closed down for “rectification.” Along the same lines, for many months, and very possibly to this day the PRC/CCP did not share cultures of the virus; over time, we discovered everything they claimed in the early days and weeks of the pandemic was a lie.

    We could go further and suspect that the CCP suspected or believed the WIV was the source, which would vastly help the scheme posited by our host, they are acting guilty whether or not they actually are.

  103. Anyway, I really hope the newer variants like B1167 Indian variant do not start popping up back home after all the restrictions are being eased. This one looks like it is really infectious, and even if you are fully vaccinated, a little bit of exposure, just a touch, and u can get it. Maybe it won’t hit u so bad, but u still get it, and worse, u may pass it to others.

    I have some Indian friends who can’t get back into India and are really worried abt their parents and family there.

    They really mismanaged things over there, much like how Trump mismanaged things back home. The difference is that the USA is now under better management(virus-wise only) and a lot Americans have been vaccinated.

    That’s not the case in India.

  104. Nancy O’Brien Simpson @ 52

    You are correct, Nancy. The essential issue is did the instrumentality “caused or contributed to” the event. COVID-19 does not have to be the sole proximate cause. There can be many causes to an event. If any of them “caused or contributed to” the event that is all that is necessary.

  105. Regardless of its origins, you still have a 99.899% chance of surviving it, if you get it at all. There are probably butterflies that are more dangerous than Covid.

    Now take off that face diaper and enjoy the warm spring sunshine on your face!

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  106. Thomasina says:
    @The Man Who Comes Around

    “Was this a tag-team effort by external and internal forces to eliminate a common foe?”

    That’s what I believe happened, a third option: both China AND the U.S. were in it together.

  107. GMC says:
    @Biff

    They also planned ahead – to make sure the man who developed the PCR test { Kari Mullins} was dead 4 months prior to the Wuhan outbreak. Years earlier his PCR test and research was sold to Hofman/Roche of Switzerland for 300 million bucks. I recently saw an article that stated that the test has made over 1 billion bucks so far . Phyzer too, has made 1 billion dollars so far from their un- insured poison.
    Yep, this virus just happen to start in Wuhan Wet Market , with two Chinamen drinkin infected bat soup – and it spread around the entire world within 4 mos. lol lol lol The Elitists 10 – Joe Blow – 0

  108. Marckus says:

    What I know for sure about the virus:

    >> is that the kill rate is around 0.17% and that is counting people who were going to die anyway because they had an underlying deadly sickness.
    >>every University grad with a sniffle or drippy dick is an expert.
    >>that in the past year the “experts” have come up with new information, studies, conclusions and recommendations in time for the daily news for 365 days straight.

    Fauci especially, and no-one knew this nonentity before all the drama, probably comes up with a new daily way to fuck with the public as he is washing his dick in the morning. It is amusing that people who have been vaccinated still wear a mask and are frightened of the virus even with the other person also vaccinated and or also wearing a mask and six feet away. Common sense and logic have become casualties in this day and age and if Fauci claims shoving a triple mask up your arse a form of prevention the ignorant masses would comply.

    Where stupidity is prevalent bullshit rules !

    • Replies: @Publius 2
  109. skrik says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    My money is on a natural origin, in India, around 2010. Place your bets

    Thanks, Godfree; my ‘evidence-based conclusion’ is lab-made, deliberate release, *not* by China.

    IMHO [me = ‘amateur’ virologist only]; SARS-CoV-2 is a chimera plus added PRRA [= polybasic cleavage site] insert, to see why/how I came to this conclusion, best start with @j2 here and then following the varying tracks.

    I will repeat parts of ‘my best’ from that thread:

    [MORE]

    Now, to sequences; here is the multalin comparison of the spikes of SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13, the closest known ‘relative.’ The blue marks the differences, the black the PRRA insertion:

    Here is the comparison of the spikes of SARS-CoV-2 and MP789:

    Your ref [6], Fig. 2 labels the receptor binding domain [= RBD] as positions 451 to 521 in the spike, and the multalin comparison does show a high agreement between SARS-CoV-2 and MP789 in this region, where the agreement between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 in the same region is poor & so QED; MP789 could well have contributed its RBD to the putative chimera. … You said you think a possible MRCA could be dated to about 2002 [your birth of the virus], IF so THEN it means that there must have been a continuous chain of infection in some animal, presumably bat or pangolin from ~2002 to late 2019. Again, just how likely is that? Also, where did the bat and pangolin meet and afterwards reside? One last thing; IIRC, the Chinese assert that neither bats nor pangolins were sold in any wet market; IMHO the wet market slur is a furphy.

    Back to ‘now,’ MP789 is said to have been collected from a pangolin, and RaTG13 *reputedly* from a bat, in locations about 1000km apart. WIV may well have played some ‘contributory’ role. The likelihood of a ‘natural-match and recombination’ falls precipitously, and an ‘informal consensus’ between me and @j2 says that the PRRA was inserted ‘by hand’ [but IMHO not by WIV.] rgds

    • Thanks: Theophrastus
  110. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    As an investigator who’s worked in the national security realm there are two very disturbing facts in the SARS-CoV-2 timeline.

    First is the arrest of Harvard chemistry chair Charles Lieber in January 2020. Lieber was a consultant who helped set up a research lab at Wuhan University of Technology. Given the nature of the arrest charge (18 U.S. Code § 1001) Lieber was clearly already a target well before January 2020. The statements in the U.S. DOJ press release indicates that Lieber’s misstatement(s) and/or omission(s) were to an investigator during a security clearance investigation (DOJ/DARPA) 10 years prior. So, we’re not just talking about the FBI searching an old archival copy of Lieber’s Standard Form 86 security clearance application, but the actual reports of the investigator being retrieved from the OPM vaults in Boyers, PA, and combed through for discrepancies. My guess is the investigation into Lieber started before or around the same time that the first patient was admitted to a Wuhan hospital with a viral respiratory infection. A disturbing fact.

    The second is the widely reported news item that in November 2019 U.S. intelligence warned Israel and NATO about a new respiratory virus in Wuhan. This was weeks before the first patient was admitted to the hospital with a severe acute respiratory virus.

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1587059866-report-us-warned-israel-about-covid-19-in-november

    US warned Israel about COVID-19 in November

    i24NEWS
    April 16, 2020

    The US government reportedly gave Israel advanced warning over the emerging threat the coronavirus posed in China around mid-November.

    According to Israeli broadcaster Channel 12, US intelligence agencies became aware of the danger posed by COVID-19 as it battered the central city of Wuhan in China’s Hubei province.

    The information was then handed over to the White House, “which did not deem it of interest,” according to Channel 12.

    This is seriously problematic when the first person hospitalized, and the virus first came onto the radar, was in December 2019.

    From The Lancet (March 13, 2020):

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30607-3/fulltext

    Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), first detected in China in December, 2019. In January, 2020, state, local, and federal public health agencies investigated the first case of COVID-19 in Illinois, USA.

    This was from the earliest reporting on the outbreak. (Nb: in this case contemporaneous reports are going to be the most accurate when you have a subsequent doctoring of facts to fit a Narrative).

  111. Big Daddy says:

    Lime disease anyone? US Biolab on Plum Island off the Connecticut coast in the Long Island Sound let it escape. First infected folks are in southern Connecticut. Now ticks are infected all over North America inflicting 22,000 a year who take a walk in the woods. No cure possible. USA closes the lab.

    We did Covid.

    • Agree: Alfred
  112. We’re pretty dependent on the Chinese for our daily existence. So if this were the deep state trying to sabotage an economy with a virus, wouldn’t it be the American one? Plus it has hit the every corner of the world. And what is with India now? Personally I think we are thinking too small with nation states. It is a transnational-oligarchical powered world, and those folks got a lot richer with the very global Covid19.

    Having said all that, the bug’s roots are increasingly looking like they are American and tax payer funded. When did we become evil?

  113. Smith says:

    Considering it’s now ASEAN and South Asia (all near China) who got hit the hardest and the “West” is slowly recovering, I’m not so sure China is behind it anymore.

    The longer this goes on, the side with the vaccines win.

  114. @The Soft Parade

    In effect, America conducted a hypnotic induction profile on its own population and blamed its Chinese rival. All zombies present and accounted for.

    Brilliant explanation and witty ending.

    Although I don’t think it was “America” hypnotizing its own population. Rather, it is (still ongoing) an evil power using American means to hypnotize the world population.

  115. supertjx says:

    Ron’s arguments are persuasive. But if this was really the work of rogue elements of the US deep state, I’m surprised the Chinese have not made a concerted attempt to point the fingers back at the US. I have also not noted any serious discussion of this theory on Chinese political websites like guancha.

    What could be the reason for this?

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Billb
  116. anonymous[684] • Disclaimer says:

    A few minor corrigenda to a work of historic importance.

    (1) It’s not a hypothesis, it’s a bill of indictment. We ought to incorporate the legal framework that would formalize this for Khabarovsk II, because, as an influential DCI once said, this will not stand. If the criminal enterprise that controls us has committed this manifest crime of aggression with the most indiscrimate and deadly weapon of mass destruction ever used, it must be destroyed. It is hostis humani generis, an enemy of all mankind, including us in America, the original victims.

    https://crimeofaggression.info/role-of-the-icc/definition-of-the-crime-of-aggression/

    (2) They’re not rogue elements. Universal jurisdiction crime like this banned biological weapon is CIA’s raison d’etre. They’re not out of control, they’re in control. As with CIA’s apical coup against JFK, the crucial probative evidence is not technical but institutional. The institutional facts show CIA’s effective control, from planning through execution, which makes this the highest crime.

    (3) As with CIA’s preliminary and preparatory AMERITHRAX/ BIOTHRAX attack, foreknowledge is a crucial element of the crime. CIA’s AMERITHRAX release of banned biological weapons from secure US government storage was prepared for by specific concerted media warnings of anthrax release (MacQueen, The 2001 Anthrax Deception.) CIA’s release of SARS-COV-2 was similarly preceded by specific DIA warnings. The warnings constitute inchoate crimes: illegal war propaganda or duplicitous misattribution of a sneak attack. In both cases, vaccine development and profiteering was an integral part of the attack.

    (4) We need to start identifying individual criminals: vaccine supplier Emergent and officials and cutouts, inter alia Nancy Messonier (sister of Rod Rosenstein, leader of CDC’s abortive test regime and fraudulent vaccine monitoring;) Ralph Baric; and Peter Daszak; DCI Gina Haspel.

  117. @Achmed E. Newman

    I raise you a 2(c) possibility:

    The virus came from the WIV but the “escape” was orchestrated by US intelligence.

    It’s possible that the Chinese were developing something with a plan to release it in the USA (perhaps on a timeline to cause chaos during the election), but US intelligence got wind of it.

    However, with the exception of the possible veracity of the recent Australian revelation of CCP PLA plans to destroy America’s healthcare system with a Coronavirus in 2015, it is wild speculation.

    In fact, I am not convinced by Unz’s story.
    (a) It relies on the same “anonymously-sourced” style of reporting in the MSM that we have seen to have been BS for the last 4 years. I don’t know how Unz can read Greenwald and then build a whole counternarrative of events based on sketchy MSM journalism.

    (b) Even if the reports about DIA are true, I think it is very possible that US intelligence could have had knowledge of the pandemic before the Chinese. If I were a scientist at WIV and there were signs of a breach, I would probably more scared of the CCP than of a spreading event. Maybe the scientists tried hard to keep Chinese officials ignorant in hopes the pandemic could be blamed on a natural origin but didn’t know how to keep the DIA ignorant because they were infiltrated.

    (c) I don’t agree that there was a large organized attack on WIV immediately when the pandemic broke out. I saw some Unz-style conspiratorial YouTube videos, but there weren’t many, and they didn’t appear immediately.

    (d) Unz’s theory relies heavily on the Iranian outbreak but Unz does not report on his investigations of connections between Iranian officials and China. Were there any? Did Unz bother to try to find out? As he says, narratives can be manipulated by failing to tell the whole truth.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @skrik
  118. Vojkan says:
    @Anastasia

    More people died in 2020 and 2021 than previous years undoubtedly. Not because they had covid but because they were denied treatment, using covid as an excuse.

  119. Anastasia says:

    The Wuhan games may have been a cover for the planning of this thing WITH China

  120. Anastasia says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Who isn’t in Washington. Name someone

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  121. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avalanche

    Makes you think, doesn’t it? Everyone is ignoring the possibility that Covid is a French Biowarfare attack to isolate and punish the British for Brexit. Hmmmm. Could there be people so low and anti-human that they are willing to get paid to spread lies?

  122. Wade’s article is really good for laymen. One of his facts that I had not appreciated was that there was no serological (antibodies) to SARS-COV2 in the Wuhan population until late in 2019; that pretty much debunks the natural origin since there would surely be serological evidence if Covid-19 had slowly mutated into the “killer” virus (now IFR estimated at 0.2%, double the estimate for flu). SARS-Cov2 popped out fully formed (and not from frozen salmon from the fjords of Norway, as Peter Daszak, China and the WHO would have us believe.)
    (Although more technical, nerdhaspower.weebly.com/ratg13-is-fake.html shows that the Bat Lady’s RaTG13 “closely related virus to SARS-COV2” is likely just a fraudulent sequence entered into her database. This site remains largely anonymous, but is populated by grad student and postdocs in virology whose careers would be endangered if outed).
    Not sure the lab derived virus ‘hypothesis’, although the most likely explanation for Covid-19 origin, will ever be accepted as FACT. Arrayed against it, Fauci (who funded the work), Daszak (the cutout to get taxpayer money to China), Zhengli Shi and the host of collaborator virologists for gain-of-function experiments, whose careers would instantaneously end if any broke this White Coat Wall of Silence, and the media who dismiss it since linked to Trump, all have their credibility tied up against the virus being from a lab. Unless someone squeals with evidence, and is believed, the virology club will keep this from ever exploding.
    Sadly, I agree with Ron Unz that Covid-19 probably originated intentionally in an American lab (Fort Ditrick?), but if true, that fact will be zealously protected from the Public. The view of Intelligence, as with the military, is that if we have weapons, we should use them. There were a number of Americans in nursing homes in Northern Virginia who died of a weird pneumonia (direct or bacterial secondary to a virus) in summer and early Fall of 2019, issues with vaping (never explained), and sporadic cases of serious non-flu test pneumonia on the West Coast and in several countries before January 2020. Since Covid-19 is, like Alzheimer’s, a disease of the elderly– most deaths globally are in those over age 80; 95% of Europe’s deaths were over age 60 (last I checked)– the vast majority of people would be asymptomatic, have a “cold” or at worst, “the flu”. There may be lots of ‘experiments’ uncovered before the virus took off in Wuhan (wonder if a second “hit” was required?)
    Nor is it likely that Intelligence has “withdrawn from the battlefield”. While sudden variants are possible anywhere infected, I remember the British genomics group diligently following the appearance of mutations by time and geography. The group went silent when the UK (Kent) variant B.1.1.7 appeared with 23 mutations, 17 of which changed proteins. There were no precursors which would give a pedigree from where this variant accrued mutations. Finally authorities decided it arose in someone with poor immunity, or in a small isolated community, over time. A lab would be even more consistent. There are other recent variants popping up out of nowhere with several mutations all at once.
    Geert vandem Bossche, a vaccinologist virologist who has been dismissed by the media, has a provocative idea. He notes it is extremely dangerous to do widespread vaccinations DURING a pandemic. He says there will likely arise variants from selective pressure of vaccines (most made only to the S protein of SARS-Cov2) which not only will elude vaccine-produced antibodies in the vaccinated, but possibly the virus morbidity will be ENHANCED by the vaccine-produced antibodies binding to and protecting the virus. If he is correct, widespread vaccination may turn Covid-19 from an old folk’s disease into a plague on anyone whose immunity is from the S protein only vaccines, unlike natural immunity. We should know if this speculation is warranted within a year or two.

    • Thanks: Polemos
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  123. @Biff

    “the vaccine?”

    I’ve been following the work of independent researcher/journalist George Webb on the COVID story. His theory — NATO members were purposefully infected with the disease and carried it into the military games in Wuhan — accords with Ron’s analysis. Webb follows up with the mRNA vaccines to supplement his work on the pandemic. I would be interested to read Ron’s thoughts on the vaccine and its connection to the bio-weapon attack.

    • Agree: Biff
  124. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Being a non-expert I find Nicholas Wade’s presentation quite compelling and how he lays out the probability of it having been an engineered virus. The early onset of it in Iran is hard to explain though except by leaning toward Mr Unz’s interpretation. One question I have is why would they use the military games as a cover since the presence of so many foreigners and the virus outbreak at the same time would create the impression of a connection in the minds of the Chinese. Wouldn’t they just have a few operatives carry out the operation at a time where no linkage would be suggested? The previous epidemics are also suspicious and seem to suggest a pattern. The US has used biowarfare before, crudely in the Korean war and against the Cuban pig population. It’s not off limits apparently. Perhaps we’re in for a future of surreptitious biowarfare attacks.
    With this one can see how America is the biggest propaganda machine in history. Inquiries are muzzled, ridiculed and dismissed, censorship is instituted, everything is spin and all media gives the preferred version. The article notes how people in various fields are blackmailed and arm-twisted into going along with the program at risk of their livelihoods. The US has perfected a form of soft totalitarianism. Thanks to Mr Unz for providing us with this lively forum.

  125. Anon62 says:

    I thank Mr. Unz for continuing to advance understanding in what is a far from settled area of science. I wish to add three observations:

    There is a general conflation of issues with respect to COVID-19. The first identifies a conflict between natural and lab origins for COVID but then fails to address the question “Whose laboratory?” which is the key question Mr. Unz raises.

    The evidence for a laboratory other than that in China is found in the following: 1) Early reporting showed that the US contained a variety of haplotypes of COVID-19 while China and Europe demonstrated a single haplotype. This suggests the virus, or its immediate precursor genotype was circulating within the United States well before it circulated around the world; 2) A number of European states have found evidence of COVID virus in samples of their sewage water samples. As port of the water quality assurance process regular samples of both source water samples and treated water samples are taken. Investigation of these samples shows evidence of COVID in the months preceding the December / January identification of the virus in China. The virus is shed in human fecal matter and this is the source of the COVID identified in the treatment plant samples. This is major evidence but for whatever reason these studies do not appear to be widely reported; 3) a failure on the part of US authorities to conduct follow up studies on a strange pneumonia circulating in the US is the summer of 2019; 4) The fact that the first knowledge of COVID in the US was classified at the secret level. This impeded and greatly slowed the US public health response. 5) The fact that US public health authorities refused to validate a PCR test for COVID at the time of COVIDs first emergence in the Seattle area. This may have been due to bureaucratic ineptitude or it may have been an attempt to suppress scientific understanding of the virus and avoid an inconvenient truth i.e. evidence of multiple haplotypes in the US and singular haplotypes elsewhere.

    All of the above issues appeared in the context of the early reporting of COVID yet none seem to have been given further examination. One gets the impression there is a deliberate attempt to suppress evidence of fruitful lines of scientific inquiry. This is not an attempt to advance a conspiracy theory. Given the worldwide economic impact of COVID, and the potential harm to the global public, it is however extremely curious that these are not aspects of any scientific inquiry into the origins of the viral outbreak.

    A second concern is the issue with of lethality. For reasons not understood it appears that certain nations, or populations, vary in their response to the virus. Older individuals, persons with pre-existing conditions, and heavy smokers, or those resident in regions of severe air pollution (northern Italy) appear to experience higher mortality than other regions. A significant proportion of persons appear to contract COVID but do not suffer any ill effects. For whatever reason there appears to be no attempt to determine the reason for this significant variance. There does appear to be a global emphasis on vaccination therapy which emphasis generates great profits for certain firms.

    A recent study demonstrates, but does not conclusively prove, that Vitamin D deficiency is a factor in the lethal outcomes associated with COVID-19.
    (see https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3642/htm )

    There is other circumstantial evidence in support of this thesis.

    In the US there are states such as MN and NY which have enacted a severe lockdown to control COVID. Such restrictions may impair citizens obtaining the sunlight exposure which is the predominant source of Vitamin D in humans.

    Other states such as TX and FL imposed no such restrictions yet their population demonstrates much lower rates of COVID than the lockdown states.

    Both TX and FL also have greater likelihood of year round sun compared to MN and NY. The fact of no restrictions on activity coupled with greater access to sunlight, the primary source of Vitamin D, suggests support for the thesis advanced in the cited paper.

    A second item of circumstantial evidence is found in the pattern of COVID outbreaks. In Canada we had an initial outbreak in Winter 2019/ Spring 2020. This abated during the summer months and it looked like we had emerged from the worst of it by the fall of 2020. In November, with the onset of bad weather, the rate of COVID infection in Canada exhibited a significant winter upsurge. This has continued until a recent peak but presently shows signs of tapering off. We have recently had the first bursts of decent weather and sun exposure.

    I believe it likely the Canadian rate of COVID infection will drop throughout the summer period and then in the late fall we will see another uptick and a further government imposed set of restrictions as the onset of bad weather deprives citizens of the Vitamin D needed to minimize / combat COVID infection.

    All of the above is irrelevant to our government; what is critically important is that the leader has great hair and obvious intelligence in his selection of socks.

  126. JVT says: • Website
    @The Real World

    Not sure if Ron Unz knowss the 900,000 deaths study was funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  127. lysias says:

    A few days ago, I watched the 2011 Hollywood movie “Contagion,” about a pandemic of a respiratory viral disease that kills millions of people. It urges many of the lines of thought that the powers that be now want people to believe. The disease originated from contacts between bats and pigs in South China and spreads to Hong Kong and from there to the rest of the world. The heroes who save humanity are the CDC, the WHO, and medical researchers, and their instrument of salvation is a vaccine. There’s even a villain who preaches a doctrine of skepticism through videos but whose real motive is to make money through selling a quack cure. For that, he ends up being arrested for securities fraud!

    I’m reminded of the awful 2001 “Pearl Harbor” movie that opened a few months before 9/11, only that movie was much closer in time to the event for which the powers that be wanted to prepare us than “Contagion” was. “Contagion” opened in September 2011, and, being the big Hollywood movie with many stars that it was, it must have been at least many months in preparation. But even back then, the powers that be apparently already had plans for the current pandemic in mind.

  128. nsa says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “….it’s not the virus that wrecked our entire economic life”
    Are you frigging blind, as well as brain washed by your TV box? THE BOOM IS ON! House prices around here have easily doubled in the last three years and are now being bid up $100k over the asking price. Raw hay land has exploded to $50k an acre. Big box store parking lots are crammed full. Both new and used car and truck sales are through the roof. Car dealers can’t get enough inventory and refuse to bargain. UPS and FedEx trucks are buzzing around everywhere delivering Amazon crap. The local feed store got in a shipment of $4000 Bad Boy zero turn mowers and all 50 were sold in a week. The local Chase Bank manager related how they gave out thousands of Care and PPT loans with his guess at the fraud rate being at least 90%. Help Wanted signs are everywhere. The tourist traffic is horrendous…..just a non-stop shitstream of shiny new cars toting kayaks and bicycles and surfboards, huge Winnebago and Pace Arrow motor homes, giant $50k F250s pulling $50k fishing boats….all bumper to bumper out on 101. This is an inflationary boom the likes of which no one has ever seen before. Take your head out of your ass and look around.

  129. @Chrisnonymous

    Indeed, that’s a possibility too, Chris, and I don’t seen how there is any more evidence for Mr. Unz’s theory than there is for yours (at least the one you brought up, 2(c)).

    To me though, knowing China well enough, the “Quality is not Job 1” theory is the most likely to be the reality.

    Anyway, very good comment. Thanks.

  130. Trinity says:

    (((Covid-19))) is a work. I was of the opinion that it was a Zio-Sino operation, now, IMO, it is just another experiment by the usual suspects. A select few billionaires are getting filthy rich off this horseshit.

    The average healthy White American has a far greater chance of dying in automobile accident, falling in the bathtub, being attacked by “teens” and “urban yutes” than falling prey to this “deadly virus.”

    They can take their vaccine and shove it where the sun don’t shine and I put away my mask weeks ago. Stop living in the clown world, people. This is ridiculous. Even if the virus is out there, people live and die, you start dying the minute you are born. LIVE.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  131. Spect3r says:
    @ThereisaGod

    What about the countries without 5G like Iran?

  132. Trinity says:
    @JVT

    That prick is buying acres of farmland in several states. I read he gobbled up over 4,000 acres in JawJuh alone.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  133. @GayDad69

    Wasn’t Fauci himself overseeing or directing funding to gain of function research in Wuhan?

    Yes, he’s a proponent of this true Mad Scientist experimentation. His institute of the NIH first funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) to collect exotic bat viruses for 4-5 years, then the most recent grant was to do gain of function research. Which the infamous Bat Woman had previously collaborated on before a US funding moratorium shut it down. That moratorium was eventually lifted, but there was supposed to be a safeguard of required review, and the latest claim about Saint Fauci is that this grant was not presented to and cleared by the board for it.

    A large fraction of the biology/biomedicine community is furiously fighting the artificial origin theory because they’re afraid the powers that be might realize just how very dangerous a lot of their research is, and how sloppy they can be with the systems that are supposed to prevent leaks from labs (the biosafety level (BSL) stuff, the WIV having the PRC’s first public and official highest level BSL-4 lab, although that doesn’t mean their gain of function research was done in that lab with all its inconveniences). The organization that was the NIH’s cutout for WIV funding even organized a scientific letter published in one of the major journals denying the lab leak possiblity, without of course also stating their conflicts of interest which is SOP nowadays.

  134. @Thomasina

    It was almost like they wanted it to enter the U.S. Why?

    To get rid of Trump, as you suggest. When the virus hit the U.S. it enabled the rationale in support of the mail-in ballot scam, the main strategy for the election steal. As well it gave the Dems a huge issue relating to Trump’s competence to rail against him for.

    While the epidemic was fomenting in Wuhan, the Dems were impeaching Trump for wanting an investigation into Honest Joe’s corruption in the Ukraine. The articles of impeachment were inexplicably left sitting in the House and not delivered to the Senate until we had all heard the stories of the strange outbreak in Wuhan. It thus served to distract Trump’s attention and our attention from the coming pandemic.

    Just possibly the delay was not incidental but rather a feature. Only Miss Nancy knows.

  135. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Thank you for bringing up the incentives, Dr. Fhandrich. I didn’t want to start this thread off on these matters that have already been argued for a year, as the OP was about the initiation of the spread of this.

    However, since you brought it up, I got an email myself, over a year back, saying there would be no deductible charge and no co-pay on any health problems due to the dreaded Covid-on-niner. The latest I hear is the US Feral Gov’t, with it’s Trillions & Trillions to spend freely, is giving people $9,000 of more Treasury Bond-lent money for funerals for loved ones who died “of” COVID. There have been, and still are, both monetary and political incentives for deaths to be chalked up to COVID.

    Sure, excess deaths is excess deaths, but I agree with those commenter who have already noted that most of this is just early deaths of those for whom the Kung Flu was the last straw but weren’t in good shape to be long for this world anyway.

    The PanicFest is the big story, not the origin! I can’t understand how Mr. Unz can be in the midst of this story and yet still miss it.

  136. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    My own take is similar to Ron’s, but I think he is mistaken on one very major point. Ron thinks the blowback in the USA was unintended, there is every reason to believe otherwise. The truth is that the US economy was crashing. The repo markets had frozen up in September 2019 and either a collapse, or a “reset”, of the western financial system was at hand.

    The goal of the virus attack was two fold, first it was intended to inflict similar levels of economic damage on China as the US expected to suffer from its financial collapse. This would prevent the Chinese from capitalizing on the western collapse and replacing the US as global hegemon.

    The second goal, was to provide a cover story to the masses in the west that the collapse and financial ruin being imposed upon them was not the fault of the banksters and elites, but rather the result of a “pandemic”.

    To me this is the only basic theory that fits the obvious over-reaction of the governments in the west and the ready to rollout “great reset” marketing campaign of the Davos crowd.

    • Agree: FB, acementhead
    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Elsewhere
    , @FB
    , @idrankwhat
  137. The most disturbing thing about Covid 19, is that the Deep State has finally pulled off a false-flag that the average eight grader can’t figure out within fifteen minutes.

  138. anon[301] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow

    A number of French Army participants in the Wuhan Military Games came back ill from there.Some gave interview with the press and mentioned this as a fact from experience,then were prohibited by the minister of Defense to make statements.

    The first region to be touched by Covid-19 was around the military airport were those military athletes landed on their return.
    Numerous covid cases were reported in the navy after that.

    French government must have had foreknowledge,because health minister prohibited the use of hydroxychloroquine on january 15 20200 after the product was on free sale for over sixty years.

  139. Publius 2 says:
    @Biff

    You should believe the thousands of doctors who agree with me. But they’ve been silenced and you read only CNN and Washington Post, so you haven’t read the truth.

    You should also believe your own eyes. You can simply look around and see that nobody has died. But as always, truth and reality creates extreme cog dis in leftist religious fanatics.

    Nobody has died. None. No one.

    Take off your face diaper, Boomer.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  140. anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:

    When you consider that CIA’s aggression comprehends in it all related crimes, we should look again at the assassination of Soleimani, which conveniently kept the executive distracted from the spread of COVID-19 at the critical stage when it could have been controlled.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9557591/Trump-planned-Qassem-Soleimanis-assassination-2017-wanted-wipe-list-folks.html

    This is only one of CIA’s convenient fuckups, and all of them contributed to deniability. Another was Nancy Messonier’s virtuosic cluster fuck of a career: impeding diagnosis, supporting EUA false claims. Yet another was the inexplicable spate of superspreading snafus at O’Hare and other international airports. At a time when Taiwanese research showed that haplotype distribution indicated US origin, a tour de force of central direction penned travelers into confined spaces, tainting the evidence of US introduction.

  141. @Emslander

    Unz’s obsessive focus upon his irrelevant “origins” theories is just part of the smoke and mirrors.

    Agreed. Clearly, some are witting participants in the smoke & mirrors. Others are unwitting. I’d like to think Ron Unz is in the latter category.

    No doubt, there is a much bigger story here that people are either missing or purposely avoiding because of the sheer magnitude of its implications.

    • Agree: Kali
  142. Public messaging in California is now telling the vaccinated to continue to wear TWO masks. Six beautiful actors with no masks in sight, imploring us to wear two masks in all social environments, indefinitely. Meanwhile Fauci articulates that masks will become the new normal, even if COVID goes away, so as to protect us from flu. The goalposts have been moved so far they are about to fall off the edge of the Earth. Nothing on television has ever been true or real; every second of programming is a form of advertisement.

    Governmental response to COVID has never been about saving lives. It has always been about forcing austerity. At some point we may be tossed out of the frying pan and into the fire.

  143. cranc says:
    @israel shamir

    View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us.

    I agree.

    There is a bad contradiction in Ron Unz’s hypothesis. He admits that the Covid disease is of (relatively) low lethality, but is highly transmissible. [BTW he wrongly asserts that it has proven asymptomatic transmission – one of the many myths of Covid propaganda].

    “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

    Yet Unz also hypothosises that the plotters assumed that the virus would not spread out of the target countries:

    The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.

    SARS and MERS were known as viruses with much high(er) lethality, but low(er) transmissibility. If the intention had been economic damage to China, then it is not plausible that such plotters would not realise the difference with respect to these virus forms nor take extreme measures to ensure the infection remained in the target country.
    I think this fundamentally undermines Unz’s contribution. That and his labelling critics of his theory as ‘conspiracy theorists’, ‘Trump supporters’, ‘anti-vaxxers’, ‘flu hoaxers’, or ‘anti China’.

  144. @Anonymous

    “Your statement is devoid of data or logic. It’s an emotional response that often comes when deep-seated indoctrination gets challenged by observable reality.”

    A remarkable, reality-connected comment, with very wide application in a post-truth era.

    It’s a shame you choose anonymity, as I’d like to hear more from someone whose brain has managed somehow to remain “unbroken”.

  145. @Johnny Smoggins

    There are probably butterflies that are more dangerous than Covid.

    Hell yeah! Those damn things start hurricanes with just a flap of their wings.

    Kill all the frigging butterflies, I say, and save a Melanesian community from disaster.

    As for moths – those bastards eat holes in everything, so just on principle they should all be killed on sight.

  146. Publius 2 says:
    @nsa

    Spectacular crash is coming soon. You will see $12/gallon milk.

  147. @nsa

    Those were Ron’s word, not mine, NSA. I should have put quotes around them. However, all is not well – what you see is pent up demand spending along with lots of Red State and city people getting the hell out of their still-partially-LOCKDOWNED shitholes. City life is going downhill fast, especially with the new pro-black-criminal policies in place now. This is why rural and exurban land are going up through the roof.

    You are right that it’s an inflationary boom. What’s the good of that, asshole? The Feral Gov’t is spending another proposed $6,000,000,000,000 shortly in addition to the few extra Trillion that was spent in ’20.

    Help wanted signs are around because people are still getting more money from the extra unemployment checks than they can get working. People I know with a family- run restaurant can only hire people under the table for this reason.

    Think of the root economic causes of what’s going on and how this is going to end. This is exactly why I’d like to see a prepper columnist on this highly-functional site with the best commenting system I’ve ever seen.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Clyde
  148. @michael888

    I remember the British genomics group diligently following the appearance of mutations by time and geography. The group went silent when the UK (Kent) variant B.1.1.7 appeared with 23 mutations, 17 of which changed proteins. There were no precursors which would give a pedigree from where this variant accrued mutations. Finally authorities decided it arose in someone with poor immunity

    I don’t remember them going silent, but I admit I haven’t followed this domain closely; recently having gotten vaccinated against “classic coronavirus” it’s now on my list.

    The origin thesis of a single individual with poor immunity is entirely plausible and is supposed to be a standard cause of this, it certainly is with antibiotic resistance. Or we might say that if you don’t think it is you shouldn’t be repeating the first part of Geert vandem Bossche’s warnings. Because the mechanism behind both is the same, ecological selection pressure. In a population, once natural and vaccine immunity becomes a big enough brick wall, mutations to get around that immunity are obviously favored. If there are none possible and herd immunity is reached, which we hope eventually happens but probably unrealistically, the virus will die out. SARS did, but neither it nor MERS transmits well.

    Lineage B.1.1.7 is significantly better at transmission than classic coronavirus without being significantly more deadly (kill the host too quickly and he doesn’t have as long to transmit the virus), thus it’s plausible it arose in a long ecological battle in a single human, step by step out competing classic coronavirus and other variants that would have been in that human. Including earlier variants of itself with fewer mutations.

  149. Publius 2 says:
    @Marckus

    Yep, if MSM told people they need to tie a purple balloon to their head at all times to protect from “the virus”, 80% of people (sheep) would do it. As Hitler explained, 80% of the population are pure, unthinking sheep who cannot form an original thought and believe everything MSM tells them to believe. Which is why control of the MSM is everything.

    This is why even a large % of Republicans believe the mask hoax.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  150. Mevashir says:
    @Gizmo880

    I would say the Chinese are far more trustworthy. Look how they travel the world making business deals with every country. Unlike the US which installs military bases and intelligence apparati and tries to control the world via fear power and intimidation, the Chinese are simply savvy global merchants.

  151. @Trinity

    There’s over 9 million acres of farmland in the US (364 million hectares). The Gates purchase of 232,000 acres is curious, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be one of his neighbors, but is a drop in the bucket. Less than the area of Guam or our smallest state of Rhode Island, around half of my mostly farming county in flyover USA. We are a food superpower after all.

    • Troll: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lucius Somesuch
    , @utu
  152. Interesting article. Here are more info links of interest:

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
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    https://www.sott.net/article/451575-Over-a-year-and-85bn-later-US-spies-still-dont-know-where-when-or-how-Covid-19-hit-the-world-but-it-could-ve-been-a-lab
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    DECEMBER 16, 2020
    Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance Has Hidden Almost $40 Million In Pentagon Funding And Militarized Pandemic Science
    by Sam Husseini

    [MORE]

    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/peter-daszaks-ecohealth-alliance-has-hidden-almost-40-million-in-pentagon-funding/
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    https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/04/nih-gain-of-function-anthony-fauci-review-board-wuhan-lab/
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    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/fauci-downplays-possibility-covid-leaked-chinese-lab-his-agency-helped
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    https://borjeperattobserver.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/dr-faucis-covid-19-treachery/
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    https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak
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    https://www.gastongazette.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/26/letter-dr-anthony-faucirsquos-business-model/114491320/
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    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?amp=1
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    The Fauci/COVID-19 Dossier
    This document is prepared for humanity by Dr. David E. Martin.

    https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdf
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    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/13/is-dr-fauci-the-father-of-the-pandemic/
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    https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/bill-gates-anthony-fauci-pandemic-changes.html
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    “In 2014, U.S. officials imposed a moratorium on experiments to enhance some of the world’s most lethal viruses by making them transmissible by air, responding to widespread concerns that a lab accident could spark a global pandemic.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-is-funding-dangerous-experiments-it-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/2019/02/27/5f60e934-38ae-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html
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    CHINA’S SECRET HUMAN ANIMAL HYBRID EXPERIMENTS
    Published: April 5, 2021

    It is now known that China has been carrying out all kinds of dangerous and ethically controversial research which may not be allowed in Western countries.

    It is also known that scientists from other countries outsource controversial and unethical experiments to labs in China.

    “It is inexcusable and irresponsible that some countries of the Western world are ‘outsourcing’ risky biotechnological research to countries like China.”

    “In some cases, this is even done because ethical rules which exist in most parts of Europe would prohibit some classes of biotechnological research to be conducted in the home countries.”

    – Dr Roland Wiesendanger, Hamburg University

    In order to emerge as a biotech superpower, China is planning to build up to seven more high security labs – the same as the Wuhan Institute of Virology by 2025.

    An official from the US embassy in Beijing told the Washington Post that there was an “entire galaxy of activity, including labs and military labs in Beijing and Wuhan playing around with coronaviruses in ACE2 mice in unsafe labs.”

    SUPER VIRUSES
    Chinese scientists are known to have been carrying out research to make the viruses more infectious.

    Such experiments were originally banned in the US in 2014 – but were reintroduced by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in 2017.

    The research was conducted to prepare the world to fight against such pandemic. But it also had a risk of virus leak from the labs.

    NIH had funded this dangerous research in the WIV through a grant to the EcoHealth Alliance.

    Dr Wiesendanger told The Sun Online a virus created or modified within the lab could be even more devastating than Covid – potentially with a death rate of up to 80 per cent.

    He said: “Current biotechnological methods, as used in gain-of-function-experiments, could potentially be used to combine properties of viruses with a very high human-to-human transmission rate and a very high death rate.”

    “We urgently need international regulations and surveys for these types of experiments.”

    Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in New Jersey, previously told The Sun Online: “Gain-of-function research of concern — no matter where it is performed — risks creating new pandemic pathogens and of triggering new pandemics.”

    Five years ago, Italian state owned media Company, Rai – Radiotelevisione Italiana, exposed how Chinese scientists were conducting biological experiments on a SARS connected virus believed to be Coronavirus, derived from bats and mice, asking whether it was worth the risk in order to be able to modify the virus for compatibility with human organisms….

    [read more at link below]

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/79638/chinas-secret-human-animal-hybrid.html

    https://greatgameindia.com/china-secret-human-animal-hybrid-experiments/

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    Secret American Experiments Tied To Chinese Animal Markets

    April 11, 2020
    The United States has been one of the worst-hit countries in the wake of coronavirus pandemic. After the source of the virus was traced to the wet markets of Wuhan (China), the voices calling for a worldwide ban have grown louder. But do you know that secret experiments conducted by America are directly tied to Chinese animal markets? American tax dollars were used to fund these live-meat markets and animal testing labs at the Wuhan Institute of Virology – yes, the same place from where Coronavirus is believed to have spread out….

    https://greatgameindia.com/secret-american-experiments-tied-to-chinese-animal-markets/

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    EXCLUSIVE: Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It (watch here Visualizing The Secret History Of Coronavirus)
    Watch the exclusive interview of Bioweapons Expert Dr. Francis Boyle on Coronavirus Biological Warfare blocked by the Deep State
    https://greatgameindia.com/secret-american-experiments-tied-to-chinese-animal-markets/

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    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-26-steve-hilton-drops-bombshell-faucis-commissioned-research.html#
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    https://www.mediamatters.org/maria-bartiromo/fox-host-claims-dr-fauci-responsible-creation-covid-19
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    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/investigation-fauci-controversial-experiments-pandemic/
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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/did-u-s-taxpayers-fund-research-that-became-the-coronavirus-lawrence-jones-and-steve-hilton-react
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    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/an-interview-with-richard-ebright-anthony-fauci-francis-collins-systematically-thwarted/
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    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/peter-daszaks-ecohealth-alliance-has-hidden-almost-40-million-in-pentagon-funding/
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    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/ecohealth-alliance-orchestrated-key-scientists-statement-on-natural-origin-of-sars-cov-2/
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    • Replies: @skrik
  153. Covid-19 is a mythical conception of the demented satanic minds of the globalists, covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated and even the private corporations , the NGOs the CDC and the WHO have admitted on their sites that it does not exist, however this phantom so called virus concept has been used to spread fear and hysteria among the worlds population and enabled the globalists to shut down and destroy the ability of small business to stay in business and force people onto the government dole.

    This mythical concept has also been used to get people to get vaccinated with vaccines that are not really vaccines , but are an operating platform to deliver mRNA which alters the DNA and destroys the immune system, and has already caused deaths and crippling of the people who have taken these injections, and will kill and injure many more in the future, as this is a genocide weapon being unleashed on the worlds population.

    The globalists behind this depopulation scam and psyop are some of the most diabolical, demented, draconian creatures to ever have walked the earth.

    • Replies: @John Fisher
    , @ThreeCranes
  154. Drew says:
    @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    Assuming you’re amenable to logic and rational thought, your claim that, “If they had not caught COVID 19 they would be ALIVE today” is simply an unprovable assumption. Counterfactual hypotheticals cannot ever be proven, only asserted, as you have done here. All humans are mortal, and each human will die at some point in time; it’s simply a question of when. Every person who has died with Covid would have died without it, and so it becomes merely a question of how much shorter ones life was because they contracted Covid. If we choose to be honest, the only answer we can reality give is: we don’t know. To claim that everyone who died with Covid would be alive had they not been infected is illogical and dishonest. I hope that you are better than that.

    • Replies: @nosquat loquat
  155. Alden says:
    @SafeNow

    One theory is that the American military brought covid hoax to Wuhan in December 2019 and sprinkled the virus around town.

    Reverse of that theory is that the Chinese developed the virus and sprinkled the hotels where American military stayed with the virus. I remember articles on this site that Americans became sick in Wuhan.

    Whatever the truth is, we’ll never know.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    , @Badger Down
  156. lysias says:
    @anon

    I wonder if the planning to make the 2011 “Contagion” movie may have started because of the 2008-9 financial collapse.

  157. @PhiltheFluter

    “After all, according to the CCP, they need more “lebensraum” and the US empty of Americans would provide just that.”

    I think we’re getting into the realms of fantasy here. Plenty of room, admittedly not as nice as California, in Xinjiang and on the Ussuri River. And if we want to keep our tin hats on, remember that H1N1 (swine flu) 1977 was probably an escape from a Russian (Soviet) lab, as it was almost identical to a strain last seen in 1950. AND the first outbreak was in China!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

  158. @Realist

    It’s a spectacular, cool, sunny day where I am on this Monday of a new week. I’m looking out the large window in my home office at swaying, sun-dappled trees and anticipating the several nice activities planned for the coming days.

    I sympathize if where you live is ghastly and nothing is on the calendar but, I do hope that situation improves. Cheers…

    • Replies: @Realist
  159. Given that Xi declared a 30 year war on the U.S. in October 2018, shouldn’t we consider the possibility that the virus is a Chinese bioweapon? Gregory Copley, perhaps the world’s greatest strategic thinker (mentored by super brain Stefan Possony), April 2020:

    “…when it went to war with the US it would be a new kind of war.

    People’s Republic of China (PRC) Pres. Xi Jinping then announced in October 2018 that he had begun a “new 30 Years War” with the US.

    But there seemed to be no “Pearl Harbor” moment, so the rest of the world disregarded the declaration of war. That was a mistake.

    It became clear that the 2020 COVID-19-inspired “global fear pandemic” laid out the battlefield terrain and saw the opening shots emerge from the PRC in a variety of strategic formats. To be sure, COVID-19 was not itself the “Pearl Harbor moment”; it was the subsequent fear pandemic which drove down the global economy.

    Beijing could not wait any longer to begin strategic operations — the new form of “total war” — if it was to survive as a global power and to assume primacy within its symbolic 30 year timeframe.”

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Is-Waging-A-New-Kind-Of-War-Against-The-US.html

    China has 18.5% of the world’s population but only 7% of the world’s water, 70% of it polluted. Much of China’s farmland is polluted. In the coming years China’s need for expensive food imports will be the anchor around its neck. As Copley has stated, “China is finished.” If China is going down they want to take us with them.

    Interesting that the virus is most severe for white males with male pattern baldness (most common in whites, least commons in Asians)). CV also targets the obese. Coincidental? Perhaps.

  160. No other respectable public intellectual is even part owner or propounder of your biowarfare by rogue American agents theory. It is uniquely yours and it would be unreasonable, if not a crime against free inquiry, to urge you to close down your advocacy while there is still an unfalsified case to be made. Still, without hammering too boringly points I have raised in the past there are some questions which deserve to be asked.

    While the Atlantic Council sponsored report which does not, as I had discovered for myself, even mention “Unz” once can perhaps be dismissed for the reasons you gave, the same cannot be said of Nicholas Wade’s work which apparently makes no mention of your theory though Wade must be well aware of it. Is the esteemed Mr Wade less brave than Ron Unz? Is he financially insecure and in need of employment? Would he have failed to find a publisher? Of course not: The Unz Review would have published him or the London Review of Books. And would he anyway have had a problem slipping in “there are of course on offer more radical explanations of the Wuhan outbreak which some would sneer at as ‘conspiracy theories’ of which one of the more cogently argued is that of former scientist Ron Unz [links provided].”

    Your biggest subjective leap of faith into the totally unknown and unproven is that there are a small number of senior, powerful, but foolish and irresponsible rogue agents within (presumably) the intelligence community who would see it as in their interests to damage China economically with biowarfare attacks – but all without a shred of evidence as to who they might be or even that they exist. They would have to be remarkably insouciant about the ease with which China could retaliate on American agriculture at a time to suit them.

    I would rate my guess that America’s medical intelligence people had reliable contacts in the Wuhan Institute as considerably more probable. To which I would add my counter speculation to your hypothetical “rogue agents” theory that just one senior Ft. Detrick scientist was on the point of retiring with his pet project on coronaviruses unfinished, and likely to be closed down when he left. So we learn eventually from his old emails that, in October 2019 he was about to send a rather big insulated box to Dr Xi at Wuhan with his graduate studen cousin Dr Lee – marked “Fragile” and “Handle With Care”.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  161. Wade says:

    Mr Unz,

    Thanks for another great thought provoking article.

    What I cannot understand, however, is how certain facts figure so prominently in all of your articles where other important data points have been completely overlooked. For example, point 6 above:

    By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan

    figures so prominently in your narrative. I suppose this is mainly in order to mitigate against the suspicion that this was just a unintentional “lab-leak”, and secondly to exonerate the Chinese as being the culprits and the US as being the perpetrators.

    This sounds reasonable to me except that it completely overlooks the reality that a full month before the DIA began it’s report, the World Economic Forum, funded by its billionaire members to the tune of a $700,000/year membership dues, had staged Event 201 to simulate a world-wide Corona-virus pandemic. So far you have yet to even mention this shocking fact. Thus your thesis seems to suffer from a similar blind spot that the lab-leak hypothesis suffers. As a result, you’ve inferred what the US’s goals were: to stall China’s economy. The blow-back to the US constitutes a horrible “own goal” against it’s own interests.

    However, this is not how western leaders have behaved overall in the aftermath of the outbreak. Just as soon as the pandemic was declared, Klaus Schwab, head of the WEF along with Prince Charles and many other members of the WEF, took to social media announcing the Great Reset. Stating point blank that the auspicious occasion of the COVID Pandemic is the catalyst for the world working towards a future in which “You will own nothing. And you will be happy!”, it’s obvious this announcement was the intended followup and response to Event 201 and the the WEF was fully aware of the impending catastrophe before US intelligence agencies were (unless of course the WEF works in tandem with US intelligence agencies).

    We can draw some very obvious parallels here between COVID and 911. While I admit that merely drawing parallels between event a and event b doesn’t prove any theories as to the cause of either, it’s worth considering these parallels anyway, the parallels are quite astonishing.

    I read with great interest your Pravda article on 911 and I agree with your conclusions. The Project for a New American Century, PNAC, with its deep ties to zionism and Israel infamously made the case for the US empire taking over multiple countries in the middle east. They wrote, however, that without a “catalyzing event” such as “a new Pearl Harbor”, their proposals would not succeed. Paul Wolfowitz, a member of PNAC with deep ties to Zionism, gave a speech at West Point in June 2001 where he discussed the necessity of rebuilding America’s defenses and explained the road to do so would be a long one absent some “catalyzing event like a new pearl harbor”.

    According to retired US general Wesley Clark, just weeks after 911 the Pentagon circulated a memo indicating their intent to attack 7 middle eastern countries in 7 years.

    [MORE]

    No wonder many have concluded that the perpetrators of 911 are Zionists. There are many indicators (too long for me to rehash here) that they knew an attack was imminent, and they had a plan formulated well in advance as to how the US was supposed to react to the event.

    How a person can leave out of their analysis of the possible origins of the COVID pandemic the World Economic Forum’s advanced knowledge and their decisive action in the immediate aftermath, is beyond my current understanding. The parallels between the WEF and PNAC are astonishing.

    Like Wolfowitz’s West Point speech, we have Fauci’s speech in which he declared that Donald Trump will face a pandemic crises in the coming years.

    Now, you might point out that since most prominent WEF members are probably Americans, and Fauci obviously is, that this adds further evidence to your case that the US is behind it. However, president Obama forced Fauci to stop GOF research in the US which had been made illegal by his predecessor GW Bush. The fact that Fauci obstinately moved his operations to Wuhan in spite of official orders from US officials ought to give us pause enough to ask who Fauci’s sponsors really are and what their motivations were.

    Here’s where the parallels to 911 end. While, it was perfectly reasonable in the aftermath of 911 to assume that such a monumental undertaking had to have state sponsors (either Israel or the US), it’s not so reasonable to assume the same about the outbreak of COVID. If anything the Anthrax scare taught us, is that it’s apparently easier to get biological warfare agents out of labs like Fort Detrick than we’d care to admit so that a little bribery or blackmail of its employees might suffice. And given the financial resources available to companies like Pfizer, or to the men of the WEF for that matter, there’s no reason to artificially limit our analysis to state actors –the USA and China– and use circumstantial evidence to rule out China, arriving at the USA by default. After all, just how many people does it take to release a virus in Wuhan while 300 US military personnel happen to be present?

    If it had been the US, it’s almost as if they WANTED to make themselves one of the lead suspects. If not, couldn’t they have used some “privateers”, perhaps members of the triads or some anti-communist Chinese to do their dirty work? Certainly there were countless avenues open to US intelligence agencies to covertly open small vials of viral matter into a wet market in such a way that didn’t automatically draw attention to the US.

    President Trump had given a speech to the WEF a few years back which closely resembled the one given recently by Vladimir Putin who told them they could go shove their Great Reset where the sun doesn’t shine. Trump’s speech which was before the WEF’s announcement of the Great Reset, and to their apparent horror he spoke about how every national leader has a moral obligation to do what’s in the best interest of their nations. In response, George Soros gave a speech in which he declared that Donald Trump is a “danger to the whole globe”. I believe there were former high ranking US military present that agreed with that assessment, although the names escape me. I do know that “Mad Dog” Mattis recently stated that “America First” is a dangerous idea which must be removed by President Biden from the US’s agenda. It seems as though high ranking military personnel have been groomed and indoctrinated into a globalist agenda, the leaders of which simply do not care about the USA per-se other than using us as their attack dogs whenever they need us. If anything, it would be advantageous for them to destroy our standard of living.

    As you know President Trump was driven from office by Biden’s “Biggest Voter Fraud Organization in the History of the US”, along with a “cabal” of wealthy US elites (according to a Time Magazine article) and shortly after John Kerry announced to the WEF that Biden was “fully on board” with the Great Reset. You know as well as I do that Trump’s policies were quite friendly to zionism and Israel. On the other hand his policies were an anathema to the WEF. This shouldn’t be a surprise given that Biden’s campaign slogan was identical to the WEF’s, “Build Back Better.” This same slogan was being repeated ad nauseam by all the usual suspects including Justin Trudeau. The fact that COVID and our nation’s reaction to it also seemed suspiciously calculated to hurt Donald Trump’s re-election chances, COVID has been a “win-win” to a number of parties. The fact that apparently deadlier strains were used to target Iran’s leaders with was likely a bargain to keep Zionists on board with it all (it’s doubtful something like this could be done without Israel’s Mossad knowing about it. Better bring them into the action). If we only ask ourselves “Cui bono?”, the answer is clear: the very billionaires who demonstrated the earliest knowledge of the pandemic also had a detailed response plan in place that they are carrying out in full force.

    In short, I don’t think this was an “own goal” by western powers. US Intelligence agencies may or may not have been directly involved in perpetrating it, if they did they did it on behalf of billionaires (which is not surprising) and they obviously see COVID’s effect on Europe and the US as a feature not a bug. Also, some of these WEF billionaires are Europeans not Americans. I know I’m not addressing every single one of your points. However, I think most of it, with enough exposition, could be encompassed by the phrase “It’s all about the Great Reset!”

    In any event, I would appreciate hearing your careful consideration and opinions of the WEF, Klaus Schwab (Henry Kissinger’s protege) and their Great Reset. To me this whole thing is so reminiscent of the communist takeover of 1917 and it’s difficult to imagine that there isn’t a connection to COVID-19.

    Regards,

    Wade

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Thanks: Garliv
  162. Rdm says:

    Here’s another aspect of it.

    Recently there’re spring revolutions or genocidal activities across the world that defeat 6 feet distancing and mask wearing policy in 2020-2021.

    1. France (anti-semite protest, April 2021)
    2. Colombia (anti-government, April 2021)
    3. Spain demonstration
    4. Thailand (anti-government, July 2020)
    5. Myanmar (anti-coup, March 2021)
    6. Palestinian genocide by Israeli government (May 2021)

    The list goes on. They’re not a pocket of night vigilante. They march in hundreds, some in thousands. The activities last for days, some even for months.

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    No news has been heard on deadly virus or oxygen shortage thereafter in those countries.

    But we’re seeing ONE makeshift cemetery in a car parking in India that captures the entire world attention that COVID-19 is still possible in 2021 with impending danger of burning your body at some garage.

    If you think Dem took control of virus narrative back in 2020 to coup for Biden victory, the same can be said for BJP and muslim majority in India scenarios as well.

    The virus is real.
    The death above 70 is real.

    But the death count has been the most absurd casualty that you could ever imagine in your life.

    In fact, I stick my neck out and say that China reporting of death count by Covid would be the best estimate of the real covid death count, rather than counting all the gunshot wounds, seasonal flu, chronic asthma and preexisting conditions. That is not to say China is good and reliable. But the real picture of the virus infectivity and deadly rate would be mostly commensurate with what China is reporting than those in higher up screwing up the narrative the big time.

    Maybe we can learn a thing or two from India when it comes to fighting against the virus.

    Of course, wear your mask !!!

  163. Wild Man says:

    I don’t buy Mr. Unz’s hypothesis. Because, if it were true, then why would the CCP continue to have Dr. Shi’s research records sealed, as release of said info (under Mr. Unz’s scenario), would absolve the CCP and China of responsibility – no?

    From Wade’s article:

    “China’s central authorities did not generate SARS2 but they sure did their utmost to conceal the nature of the tragedy and China’s responsibility for it. They suppressed all records at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and closed down its virus databases. They released a trickle of information, much of which may have been outright false or designed to misdirect and mislead. They did their best to manipulate the WHO’s inquiry into the virus’s origins, and led the commission’s members on a fruitless run-around. So far they have proved far more interested in deflecting blame than in taking the steps necessary to prevent a second pandemic.”

    The crux of Mr. Unz’s hypothesis relies on his contention that:

    “It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”

    But what about general defense intelligence agency incompetence or gullibility-mongering? Here is an old article by the gullible Mr. Gwynne Dyer:

    “On how to predict the fall of human civilization: Most of [the scenarios] were from military reports. There was a lot of awareness among scientists about the severity of climate change, but scientists don’t do strategic scenarios. A lot of that scenario stuff, believe it or not, actually started with Shell Oil back in the ’70s. They came up with relatively disciplined rules for these things — we’re not just writing science fiction here. What we want is credible, possible futures. The pentagon’s very big on that now.”

    https://thetyee.ca/Books/2009/01/06/ClimateWars/

    I am not so sure that a particular western military intelligence report(s), means that it has anything to do with reality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous2718
  164. @Thomasina

    The globalists have made a killing off manufacturing in China, along with the Chinese elite. These are the people who are in control of the government.

    True. However, China has outgrown the globalists who started the project, and has created their own. The usual pattern for the globalists is to export to a low wage country, make their loot, then, when wages start rising, move to another low wage target. South Korea gained traction because Japan became “high wage”. When SK started to become “high wage” globalist investment started to look elsewhere. Mexico benefited through NAFTA, but about 10 years ago, the globalists saw Mexico as becoming “high wage” and started to look elsewhere.
    The people in control of the Chinese government are a known and predictable commodity within the CCP, just as, prior to Gorbachov, all those running the USSR were a known and predictable commodity. They are firmly committed to “make China great again”, by being a 21st century version of their pre-“Western” domination, when they were self sufficient and traded widely.

    It’s always about the economy, the world banking system. Follow the money.

    True. Again, China has set about beating the globalist bankers at their own game. Will they be successful in the long run? Only time will tell. Until that is decided, they will continue to be the enemy of finance capital.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  165. @Alfred

    He shook hands normally with me.

    Did you all do the hand sanitizer blast after? You sound like a couple of wild and crazy guys!

  166. Realist says:
    @The Real World

    It’s a spectacular, cool, sunny day where I am on this Monday of a new week. I’m looking out the large window in my home office at swaying, sun-dappled trees and anticipating the several nice activities planned for the coming days.

    If it is so wonderful where you are, why would you spend time reading a verbose screed, that was published before? Why didn’t you go outside and enjoy the wonderful day?

    Your reply is nonsensical.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  167. MLK says:
    @The Real World

    Wow, I had a hard time reading past that

    Yep. High-level conspiracies are supple.

    Operation Get Rid Of Trump began 2020 having failed in its pitch perfect attempted replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection. The plug-n-play Covid even made use of the TV news chyrons, this time blaring cases and deaths rather than days of embassy hostage humiliation.

    The suppleness came into play because Trump didn’t make it easy for them. They were forced to have Democrat Governors run up the numbers among seniors and own the lockdowns.

    Make no mistake, if Trump had more aggressively challenged the virulence of this plandemic, and their denotation of Trump’s MAGA economy, more deadly strains would have magically appeared.

    It really is a fool’s errand to think you can puzzle out the origins because all of the relevant players — the anti-Trump alignment, foreign and domestic — acted in furtherance of their objective without exception since inception, including CCP China.

    • Agree: Thomasina
  168. Bevin Chu says:

    The evidence in favor of Ron Unz’s conclusions about the origin of the Covid crisis is simply overwhelming. Motive? Check. Means? Check. Opportunity? Check.

    Cui bono? Who benefits? Who has been seeking to kneecap China’s economic miracle?

    If the victim was not America’s hated rival China, and the suspect was not the United States government, and both victim and victimizer were “red-blooded Americans”, criminal prosecutors would long ago have indicted the perpetrators for mass murder.

    The US cannot be convicted of war crimes because it is impossible to subpoena and prosecute officials of another nation unless they leave their own country.

  169. @The Real World

    Get ready boys and girls and all the other 57 varieties of gender abnormalities.

    Now that injection of toxic genetic therapeutics has hit a brick wall. Meaning, they’ve run out of willing guinea pigs and either need to mandate injections by approving Pfizer’s and Moderna’s witches brew. Or, craft a new viral pandemic thereby relabeling their current unused batches in the battle against a new virus.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/the-next-pandemic-chikungunya-virus/

    Just as AstraZeneca relabeled it’s toxic genetic therapeutic our benevolent Big Pharma companies will do the same to join the battle against the evil Chikungunya virus.

    Fear not comrade. Bill Gates and Fauci have your best health interests at heart.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/i-am-one-of-millions-who-have-chosen-not-to-have-a-covid-vaccine/

    • Agree: Realist
  170. @22pp22

    Obesity is a choice.

    Not always. There are metabolic diseases that cause weight gain or obesity as well as other medical conditions, such as thyroid malfunction.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Carroll Price
  171. Any and all persons engaged in the creation of new diseases should be publically executed. Including Mr. Gates.

  172. Trinity says:

    Andrew Anglin has another article about the attacks on Asians and frankly I do think China is shouldering the blame for something they had no role in whatsoever. I at first thought China was involved with the usual suspects but the more (((they))) try to pin this one on China the more obvious this becomes. Kind of like how Whitey has been blamed for the African Slave Trade or how Germany was blamed for starting WWII. Same old tired and worn out horseshit that even a third grader can figure out.

    Right now, I am honestly trying to figure out if the virus even exists before I even make accusations. hahaha. My brother called the other day and named one of my old classmates as a recent fatality due to (((covid-19.))) Hell, I had to look the guy up in my annual, didn’t really know him, however, lets just say I knew the guy. As of May 10, 2021, he is the only one I know of personally who has contracted this “deadly virus.” lolololol. I am 60 years old, go to the gym crowded with young people who don’t give a damn and I feel great. ROTFLMMFWAO. No face diaper for my old azz.

    Just imagine for a second if Trump knew this virus was a Mossad operation. Would Trump have referred to this virus as the “Jew Flu?” So in that regard, he was out of line in calling this the China Virus. How many of those Trumpers would have laughed and cheered if Trump called this the Jew Flu? I admire being politically incorrect, but maybe Trump was being politically correct instead. Whatcha think? IF you are going to be politically incorrect and brag about being politically incorrect, don’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. Right, Tucker?

  173. Wade says:
    @Off The Reservation

    Interesting, thanks for the reference..

  174. Yes, the huge blindspot in Mr. Unz’s theory, as with b at MoA, is that they can not go one step further and lay the blame at the feet of both the Chinese and Americans (at least at the sub-class of globalists within these two groups).

    Cui bono?

    China has “shown” that violating lockdowns have worked, thus reaffirming in the urban elite in the U.S. (Democrats/liberal estab.) that yielding to a central authority is GOOD. This artificial phenomenon has greatly impacted the minds of our colonized youth.

    It also was the fatal blow to DJT’s presidency.

    Globalist enterprise gobbled up yet more market-share as brick-and-mortar are increasingly abandoned. These Big-Tech backed economic drivers exclusively back the Demonrats. Once again, we see a win-win for both the Chinese and American Globalists.

    Of course, for both b and Mr. Unz, it is impossible to think that there is no difference between our FP stance vis a vis China in a Trump-world and a post-Trump one.

    But this lack of insight can of course be traced to the conclusion in the mind’s of these two that there is absolutely no difference whether DJT is at the helm or not. This idea has permeated the minds of many of very astute and narrative-challenging individuals.

    In a sense, if you believe China was attacked by Americans with the virus, you will most likely be in the camp that DJT was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, another imperialist who wants to bring China to heel.

    But the stupidity of releasing a virus which would have surefire monumental (and unwanted) blowback to the U.S. seems a stretch in logic (regardless of how stupid the U.S. in reality is).

    So it seems that two possibilities arise and you may find yourself in most likely one of the two following camps (that is if you have a mainstream-skepticism):

    1) China is nationalist through and through and is reacting in a purely defensive mode wrt to covid unleashed upon them by western imperialists. In other words, they are the victims.

    2) the globalists in China and the U.S. released covid as a joint-endeavor to crush rising Nationalist-sentiment in the U.S. This had the added bonus of reaffirming the positive aspects of central control and making people more dependent on Big Tech.

    How I see it could be the latter theory is that any hostility for China from the Biden regime is exclusively to leverage the position of the administration class in the U.S., which are the sole profiters of this globalist arrangement. In other words, any military posturing against China is more or less theater under Biden, as his donor-class, the globalists, would not seek the destruction of their meal ticket.

    So in many ways, perhaps you could say that even if a joint-release of covid was sanctioned by both the Chinese and Americans, it stands to reason that perhaps China was acting yet still in its best interest (nationalism), knowing that America could never fully be trusted. In this way, you could then say that China is playing a very dangerous game by further empowering the western globalist class at the expense of its nationalists. Perhaps this was its only move to make?

    To echo many commenters above: China is still not to be trusted wrt Covid or anything else. Indeed, the best possible theory is that it was a joint-endeavor whereby the western globalists could under great delusion buy more time and where China could continue its extraction game with western wealth.

    • Agree: Thomasina
  175. @Wizard of Oz

    Your biggest subjective leap of faith into the totally unknown and unproven is that there are a small number of senior, powerful, but foolish and irresponsible rogue agents within (presumably) the intelligence community who would see it as in their interests to damage China economically with biowarfare attacks – but all without a shred of evidence as to who they might be or even that they exist. They would have to be remarkably insouciant about the ease with which China could retaliate on American agriculture at a time to suit them.

    The Dirt People who make the US a food superpower are hated with an unquenchable passion by our ruling trash. I’ll even throw out a JQ issue, diaspora Jews hold farming in extreme disdain (that’s of course not a historically Jewish thing, or hardly as big a factor in Israel from before its founding).

    Your first point stands. Blaming the huge blob of the US Deep State for something evil is generally credible and the more so as we see them operating openly doing evil things, like seizing Syria’s oil fields, or just outright refusing to end the forever war in Afghanistan. The latest is a claim of US troops “pillaging” Syrian grain silos, and I doubt there are very many of us here who believe they wouldn’t casually cross such a line.

    But the Deep State is made up of many organizations, obviously has a number of factions, that was the point of Russia’s observation during Obama’s reign the US was “not agreement capable,” any deals they made were undone by another faction of our Deep State. And/or see for example the claims the CIA and Pentagon were funding and supplying different and competing factions in Syria.

    So which faction(s) might do this? An obvious start is where you think the virus originated from.

  176. @The Man Who Comes Around

    Covid was just one facet of a Deep State color revolution against a sitting US president. The covert introductions into China and Iran were feints.

  177. Noble74 says:

    Mr. Unz,

    Thank you for this article.

    I agree the explanation that fits best (although not the only possible explanation) for what has transpired regarding COVID-19, is that it was genetically engineered in the US and then “planted” in Wuhan.

    However, I don’t agree that the inevitable blow-back of the disease reaching the US was unforeseen or dismissed by those who created it. I suspect the main reason for introducing COVID-19 into China was, ultimately, to ensure the downfall of President Trump – i.e. to maximize the chances of him losing his re-election bid. It’s reasonable to assume that modelling would have been done to predict how quickly the virus would spread from China to the US, and how long it would take to spread widely on the US mainland. After all, the economy was booming pre-COVID and that’s often the determining factor in any President’s re-election bid. With the 2020 vote having been so close (assuming it wasn’t rigged), I don’t think there was any way Trump would have lost if the pandemic in the US had never occurred.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  178. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Recent posts by George Webb support the thesis advanced by Mr. Unz. He has recently
    been re-instated on Twitter so it would be wise to have a look before his next disappearance.
    His recent research points to biowarfare locations at Fort Detrick in N. Carolina and the
    Erasmus lab in Rotterdam as likely sources of this plague. It was always suspicious that,
    out of nowhere, Iran was hard hit immediately.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @RobinG
    , @lysias
  179. @Adam Grant

    “Interesting that the virus is most severe for white males with male pattern baldness”

    In the UK, it’s more severe in Sub-Saharans and Asians (subcontinental type). For any given age/infirmity/demographic profile, though, it’s more severe in males.

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    As I wrote a while back

    The racial order (in terms of increased likelihood to get very ill from CV19) is

    Ethnicity: Black African
    Ethnicity: Caribbean
    Ethnicity: Other ethnic group
    Ethnicity: Other Asian
    Ethnicity: Indian
    Ethnicity: Bangladeshi
    Ethnicity: Pakistani
    Ethnicity: Chinese

    With white used as the baseline.

    They are nowhere near the top of risk factors, though, age and BMI are #1 and #2. Being a lardbutt really IS dangerous. Downs’ is #3.

    But, for example, being a black African puts you at more risk than a “Chemo Grade A” patient, and being Indian puts you at greater risk than someone with “Chronic kidney disease stage 4” or “Cirrhosis of liver”.

    Interesting that Bangla/Pakistanis are at less risk than Indians.

    The source is here – note that they leave out sex, so males can’t be bumped up the rankings to get vaccinated.

    https://digital.nhs.uk/coronavirus/risk-assessment

  180. skrik says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    However, with the exception of the possible veracity of the recent Australian revelation of CCP PLA plans to destroy America’s healthcare system with a Coronavirus in 2015

    Can you cite a credible source/citation for this, please? thnx in advance

    • Replies: @quark
  181. @Wade

    However, president Obama forced Fauci to stop GOF research in the US which had been made illegal by his predecessor GW Bush. The fact that Fauci obstinately moved his operations to Wuhan in spite of official orders from US officials ought to give us pause enough to ask who Fauci’s sponsors really are and what their motivations were.

    From memory but not supported by the current Wikipedia article, the US has imposed two temporary funding moratoriums on gain of function research. The relevant one which is well documented was imposed by the Obama administration in 2014 and that stopped “at least 18 projects,” although a couple of months later seven of those projects were granted waivers.

    I don’t believe the waiver included the one the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) “Bat Woman” was collaborating with, and the latest on WIV and Saint Fauci is a claim he didn’t run the funding for their gain of function research past the mandatory board which vetted proposals for danger etc.

    • Thanks: Wade
  182. Wild Man says:
    @Wade

    Yes ….. the hypothesis that you outline here, is a lot more rational, than Mr. Unz’s hypothesis, in my opinion. The CCP was played by the anti-true-west globalist cabal (by the likes of Peter Daszak, by Fauci most probably, and by Bill Gates, likely as well). This anti-true-west globalist cabal features a 25% Jewish ethnic component (100x more than expected, per-capita-wise, and note that no other ethnic group comes even close, punching-over-weight-wise, within this anti-true-western agenda).

    The CCP can’t release Dr. Shi’s records, because that will show that said gain-of-function work was performed on Dr. Shi’s covid-2-type lab-grown-cultures. Both the CCP and the western populaces (and Trump too in my estimation) have been played by Globalism Inc., over this covid narrative. As such, the CCP can’t help us true-westerners (without the CCP incurring the possibility that war would therefore soon ensue thereafter …. i.e.- the CCP is well aware that the powers of anti-true-westernism has usurped the west, quite some time ago now).

    It’s the same Globalist Inc. tactics as always. Same tactics as the Climate Change Catastrophism false narrative uses. And these such Globalism Inc. tactics features a compromising of anybody that would otherwise want to tell the truth (this ‘compromising’ can be achieved by way of a huge variety of means, depending on the context).

  183. @supertjx

    The Chinese presumably aren’t pointing fingers at the US because they know the US has a much bigger global megaphone. If China trumpets the truth, the US can drown that out by hyper-trumpeting its prefabricated cover story lie blaming China and the WIV. Such a war of accusations would greatly increase the chances of a shooting war, which China doesn’t want. If there is no war, China with its unstoppable economy eventually wins by default; whereas the only way the US can even dream of hanging on to its #1 world power status is through pre-emptive war.

    This is geopolitics 101: the current #1 power almost always wages pre-emptive war against the rising #2 power. See Graham Allison.

  184. @Avalanche

    On July 15, 2019, the CDC shut down Fort Detrick for massive safety violations regarding containment and tracking biological agents. The “vaping illnesses” had started about a month previously, which, presents, symptomatically the same as COVID19. The US Military released a statement saying nothing escaped, and no one questions it. According to Dr. Judy Mikovits, while she was at Fort Detrick, the lab was working on forcing the Ebola virus into the human genome. Ebola outbreaks happen where?

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    The CDC has admitted that it has never isolated the virus. The Canadian government has admitted that it hasn’t isolated the virus. Ifyou haven’t isolated it, how do you know if it is causing a problem? How do you develop a vaccine for something you don’t know exists?

    Frank Plummer, who was in the middle of the SARS epidemic, questioned whether it was caused by a virus, as new patients didn’t have the “virus” and the most severe damage was being done after the viral load had dropped, contrary to what was expected. Plummer, who was one of many Corona virus patent holders, including several in the US, conveniently dropped dead in Kenya in February 2020. Shortly thereafter, Covid19 was being called SARS2.
    You can’t patent nature. Pathogens that are patented are bioweapons. We live among psychopaths that make Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper look sane.
    An attack “against” America? Why not? But I would be looking a lot closer to home for the perps, starting in Davos.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  185. I think covid is a planned and deliberately engineered psyop…..Gates had a simulation months before…..the clips coming out of China were obviously staged…..people dropping in the streets and convulsing…..all of those clips have disappeared…..the elite hides medications known to be effective…..lying about the death rates…..push the weird untested “vaccine.”

    It was not only a way to ruin the booming Trump economy….but also a way to further the goals of the zionist Great Reset/NWO….to atomize populations….implement control protocols, etc.

    Keep in mind that for the paranoid lunatics running the show, white people gathered at a Nascar race looks like anudda shoah.

  186. anon[926] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    As of Jan, 2021 Gates owned 242,000 acres.
    Not insignificant.

    Comparing to Rhode Island or your county deceives like Israelis/Yid deceive.

    https://marketrealist.com/p/how-much-farmland-bill-gates-owns/

    How much is the acreage increased each week?

  187. You need to go back earlier to 2002 when SARS 1 was released. SARS 1 originated from China just as SARS 2 aka COVID-19. The CCP have been playing with bio weapons and gain of function twenty years ago or longer. I caught the SARS 1 virus 14 months before SARS 2 (C19) was released. I believe they were testing SARS in a few select area’s to determine its potential for host replicating abilities.

    [MORE]

    I had gone to three medical professionals who were unable to determine what was ailing me. It wasn’t until I checked into emergency that further tests were done, and I was diagnosed with SARS 1, or maybe it was SARS 2 in beta test mode. Curious, after recovery, this thing seemed to have lasted six to eight weeks or longer, I started googling SARS. Today many of those links I bookmarked one year before SARS 2 (C19) have disappeared.
    I came to the conclusion that a global coverup had taken place, that a perfect storm had arrived for globalists entities to act now or forever lose their control. When you add up all the players, CCP world domination, Trump America First, Brexit exits from EU states, global mass repopulation, open borders, tech censorship, Critical Race Theory, BLM/Antifa, Gun confiscation legislation, defund police, opioid addiction, declaring whites Supremacists and domestic terrorists, ad nauseam, they all colluded together to take out Trump and whites wherever they be, and any fallout from global lockdowns ruled as collateral damage for their One World, One Gender CultMarx Caliphate.

    Between noise and echos, dark and light, truth is there if you look hard enough.

    https://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2003-07/sars-where-did-it-come/

  188. @St-Germain

    Spot on.

    But why do you call USA the USSA?

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @St-Germain
  189. anon[926] • Disclaimer says:
    @israel shamir

    Yes, I favor this explanation.

  190. @israel shamir

    Absolutely.

    Communist China attacked the free world.

    Tiananmen Square Massacre 2.0 🦠 🔥 ☠️

  191. @stevennonemaker88

    Seems quite a coincidence that more young people are reportedly getting sick with and dying from Covid at precisely the same time as millions of people have been dutifully getting their Covid vaccines. Could there be something to that SHEDDING hypothesis that Mike Whitney and others have been warning about?

    • Agree: FB
  192. I read Nicholas Wade’s article on Zero Hedge and all the rest on UNZ Review. What intrigues me is how you convince a spook to release the pathogens. Isn’t he/she another version of a suicide bomber? Because leaving the pathogens to infect the populace without a trace requires expertise.
    Anybody knows??

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Badger Down
  193. @Desert Fox

    Covid-19 is a mythical conception of the demented satanic minds of the globalists

    Agreed.

    [MORE]

    As some have been saying since the beginning, all these debates (about origin, and statistics, and cases, and blah, blah, blah) are deflections. And most of these deflections are deliberately planted and cultivated by paid infiltrators in comment threads. This site is filled with them.

    We are drowning in lies, a mind-control exercise on a global scale.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  194. @Noble74

    This globalist cabal are truly the most evil forces to have ever existed. We are witnessing evil reptilian minded overlords hellbent on the enslavement of civilization.
    The sad part is we know (((who))) is behind it.

  195. @Yee

    There’s nothing ‘civilian’ in China. The Party and thus the military controls everything.

  196. Geowhizz says:
    @BlackFlag

    Or a Soros like figure?

  197. FB says: • Website

    A couple of thoughts…

    First, it is good to see that the fanatical religiosity about the virus coming only from nature is being challenged in the mainstream discourse in a very serious way. That story was pure bullshit from the getgo, yet all the media lemmings quickly made it holy writ.

    Second, what about the huge dislocations and upheavals that the pandemic has caused at home, in the west? This is not addressed at all in Mr Unz’s analysis, except for a short boilerplate about how the perps that seeded the virus simply didn’t expect major blowback at home.

    But this does not square at all with the massive developments with economic shutdown, lockdowns, mask-wearing, social distancing, and most importantly universal vaccination with experimental vaccines based on unproven gene therapy. [Not to mention the massive money printing accompanying all of this].

    Does this mean that the biowarfare conspirators simply miscalulated…or was the establishment in fact spring-loaded to launch into a far-reaching social engineering agenda whose purpose and motivation seems more murky with each passing day?

    Using Mr. Unz’s own logic about unlikely ‘coincidences’ it would seem rather far fetched, to say the least, that all of this just sort of came about of its own inertia, as an unforeseen consequence of a few neocon plotters trying to throw a virus at China and Iran.

    I’m going to be the last guy to buy into the flu hoax thing—Covid is definitely a real disease that has killed many, not at a very high rate of course, and mostly the old and already sick, but many highly credible experts are presenting devastating critiques of the chosen response measures, especially the vaccines, but also all the rest of the measures. It is certainly enough to question an underlying agenda—whatever that may be, since it is far from clear at this point.

    I think that is the real story at this point. I think most open-minded folks can surely accept that this virus started as a bioweapon, and we salute Mr Unz for his work on that score. But the story is far from complete. In fact the bioweapon hypothesis, likely as it may be, is simply the starting point.

    Is the mess we are in now just a case of honest mismanagement by well-intentioned people trying to wrestle this virus to the ground? Or is there a method to the madness?

    Certainly the vicious shutting down of highly expert dissenters, of which there is no shortage, does not point to any honest effort to combat a novel epidemic, since such an approach requires open and forthright debate of all scientific points, not an enforced orthodoxy on carefully selected ‘scientific’ factlets.

    I think Mr Unz might consider probing the next big question—is there in fact an agenda behind all of these unprecedented social measures? And what might that agenda be?

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @skrik
  198. FvS says:

    1.) If it was an attack on China, it was a total failure.

    a.) Their economy was barely affected, and it shut down the Hong Kong pro-democracy protests.

    b.) It shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone that China would use authoritarian quarantine measures quash the virus domestically.

    c.) The virus ended up spreading all over rest of the world where similar authoritarian quarantine measures were essentially politically impossible to enact.

    d.) Apart from the negligible amount of deaths relative to their total population, the only thing about China that was harmed was the reputation of the CCP which was already poor in the West. The natural origin of the virus is also the most widespread theory (propagated by Western media) which absolves the CCP of a lot of responsibility if true.

    2.) What was up with all those videos coming out of China of people dying in the streets at the beginning of the pandemic? Why did none of that happen anywhere else in the world? Did the virus magically mutate as soon as it left China?

    3.) The ones that have benefited the most from this thing are China (Hong Kong protests and Western economies devastated), those that wanted Trump removed, and the globalist plutocrats who just got even richer.

    • Agree: Jeffrey A Freeman
    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @emersonreturn
  199. @BlackFlag

    I’ve been looking into this for a while and there does seem to have been a lot of high-level political Iranian-Chinese interaction around that time.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  200. Wild Man says:
    @Anon

    OK ….. so what I think you are saying is the Globalism Inc. has prevailed, with respect to the unfolding of their false covid narrative, by way of, firstly, getting the Chinese, gullible-like, to culture covid-2-type virus in human-like tissue, in Wuhan, and then to perform gain of function technologies on such, all the while having access to said Chinese-lab strains, probably taking such back to the U.S. to culture in U.S. labs, … which indeed could be the actual cryptic soruce of the Wuhan outbreak, thusly blackmailing the CCP into silence and cover-up, so that the true agenda behind these Globalism Inc. moves, can continue to unfold unimpeded ….. and as one of the long-term goals of this Globalist cabal, is to usurp the hegemonic power that the U.S.-proper has enjoyed since World War 2, … wreaking havoc on the American people and the American economy, to help eventuate that, is all part of their plan.

    Is that what you mean? If so , then yes …. I agree that, that is likely what this whole covid thing is actually all about.

    Mr. Unz gets it mostly right. But his hypothesis comes up short when he fails to show that such actions by American players are going to be found to actually be actions by American traitors to Globalism Inc.

  201. I very rarely post here, but I read Ron Unz’s blog nearly every day. I think the first time, I posted here was about a year ago, about this very subject COVID, because at the time, I thought I was the first one to get it, in the UK.

    I knew about The World Military games in Wuhan (for some strange reason, the UK did not participate) I knew about the closure of Fort Detrick. I saw the very first quite obviously faked photos of people “dropping dead” in Wuhan surrounded by people in white Hazmat suits, and also noticed, that it appeared to be midsummer in Wuhan, and checked the climate, which is not that different from the UK.

    Ron Unz, who I obviously have a lot of respect for, has done an enormous amout of research, and produced an enormous word salad, and I believe he is doing so , completely honestly, with no ulteria motive. He is just trying to get close to the truth, and I admire him for that. I just do not agree with his analyis.

    I now do not know if COVID is actually any way significantly different from any previous Coronavirus, colds or the flu. It maybe, but I am far from sure.

    [MORE]

    It did not need to be a manufactured virus. That wasn’t the point. The point was the propaganda to terrify the entire world, and in that it was unbelievably successful. The propaganda, which I believe probably originated in the UK, the original source of both the Malthusians and the Tavistock Institute. I have been trained, only down to leadership courses, the companies I worked for sent me on in both Behaviour Analysis, and Behaviour Modification. What totally amazed me, is that this stuff works. I was taught the techniques to modify the behaviour of the staff who worked for me. It worked, and I did not approve, and refused to go on any further courses. It is not down to me to change other people’s behaviours. I recognised the potential evil of such techniques, being used by evil people on a mass scale.

    And I am convinced that COVID is the refinement of these techniques, and The Brainwashing has successfully been applied to the majority of the world’s population, when they have regular access to a TV screen.

    COVID is a Brain Virus. It is harmful, because it changes your Brain, and your Brain controls your body. If you believe you are going to get very ill, then its highly likely you will.

    I then monitored, the most flagrant total corruption of statistics. If you are not aware of this, you have been watching the telly, and reading the newspapers, but not actually paying attention, to what is really going on.

    The real virus, is the vaccines. They can be controlled. A maufactured or wild virus, or biological attack, cannot be controlled. It is just as likely to kill off the people who originated it (who obviously aren’t stupid) as everyone else.

    The vaccines, meanwhile can be very closely controlled, with regards to their content, from eg almost completely benign (like a glass of very week shandy) to extremely powerful – like 98% Polish Vodka. Good luck if you can survive a litre of that.

    I am convinced like Dr. Mike Yeadon, that this is a World Depopulation event, and because nearly everyone is still being programmed to take the vaccine, it will most probably work, unless many more people actually wake up to what is really going on, including highly intelligent people like Ron Unz, and Gilad Atzmon, who I also have massive respect for, and have seen playing his Sax.

    Tony

  202. @stevennonemaker88

    Ron is right.

    Excess death data across a large number of countries prove Covid is dangerous and fatal, mostly for elderly and frail.

    I am hearing daily first-hand reports from friends and family in India. Death and devastation are real and incredibly sad.

    And that’s just the immediate loss. “Long Covid” is real too, especially neurological damage.

    All estimates on total impact on life-years lost because of this bioweapon are likely to be under-estimates, not over-estimation.

    Just because fear porn MSM exaggerated fatality rates does not mean Covid is “just like flu” or a “hoax”.

    SC2 is a dangerous and meticulously designed bio-weapon, and likely there are several variations of this weapon whose deployment can be controlled by the same forces that sponsored the research and design.

    Please do not minimize the greatest crime against humanity.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  203. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    Ft. Detrick is in Frederick, Maryland. Is George Webb saying there’s another one in N.C.?

    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
  204. anonym25 says:
    @Derer

    That biowarfare was meant to bring down Trump and China, both at the same time. Trump was asking the Chinese to let a team of US scientists during december 2019 and january 2020, but the Chinese declined. They thought that it was brought by US military during the Wuhan Military Games which it is as false as believing that it leaked from the Wuhan laboratory. Both Xi Jin Ping and Trump were being baited to fight one another.

    The reality is that this bioweapon was targeting, first of all, the elite forces participating at the Wuhan military games. There is a CGTN article written in september 2019 stating that the Chinese authorities were looking for clues of a possible coronavirus-like pathogen to be introduced during those games. Also, there was the claim of a French military athlete, Elodie Clouvel, that she and a lot of athletes of her delegation had contracted Covid-19 but no one had idea at that time that it was Covid-19. They only thought they had caught a severe case of flu.

  205. @greencrow

    In India, the unit value of a false positive is about equal to that of One Bitcoin.

  206. SafeNow says:
    @Alden

    Yes, the reverse-sprinkling scenario. One weakness of sprinkling is that transmission by surface contact is extremely unusual. It normally takes human-to-human close-proximity breathing. And, there are other circumstantial factors, such as there are no videos or still images of the US team.
    And yes, agreed, we’ll never know.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  207. Wild Man says:
    @Tony_0pmoc

    Your comment:

    “I have been trained, only down to leadership courses, the companies I worked for sent me on in both Behaviour Analysis, and Behaviour Modification. What totally amazed me, is that this stuff works. I was taught the techniques to modify the behaviour of the staff who worked for me.”

    Interesting. Can you summarize the methods?

  208. @Realist

    No, not nonsensical at all.
    Perhaps a bit more sophisticated perceptiveness is required to grasp the message conveyed.
    Many here will comprehend it.
    (I’m inclined to say, “take your pills but, I won’t.)

    • LOL: Realist
  209. anonym25 says:
    @Tony_0pmoc

    Because this bioweapon came from the UK’s Porton Down specially targeting the elite soldiers at those military games which is the reason why the UK didn’t participate in those games. The Russians clearly stated during early february 2020 that this bioweapon came from Porton Down. A march 2020 Daily Mail article clearly picked up on that.

  210. Elsewhere says:
    @anon

    Gold box for this comment.

  211. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    We also know that the CDC found that Covid-19 was in the US before it was in China, agreeing with findings in Italy, Spain, and France.

    Having had Covid here in British Columbia in January 2020 just after a reported care home outbreak in neighboring Washington State (it was a flu-like infection with headache, fever and prolonged period of congestion, but not flu, since as is well known, there was no flu in 2020), it is clear that the premise of Mr. Unz’s article, namely, that the World’s first Covid infections occurred in China, is as you infer, wrong. That being the case, the entire article really makes no sense.

    • Agree: Rdm
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  212. @Tony_0pmoc

    Hello Tony,
    Have always enjoyed your O/T comments at OffG.
    This is one of the best comments I have read as your humility in describing your experience with CoVid1984 puts the arrogance and hubris of many commenters in this site IN ITS PLACE.

    The crux of the biscuit is the lack of Bull Shit Detector on most people (effect of the “virus”), and those that think they are intelligent in our Western narcissistic society love to go for complexity! Reflects on the values:

    If there is a choice between “new tech” and behaviour change, Western narcissistic society always goes for tech, and LOL tries to use tech for behaviour change!

  213. @That Would Be Telling

    Maharashtra ain’t part of “flyover USA,” tw@t.

  214. Timmy says:

    A> China did it intentionally. They start by releasing it to their own people to cover their tracks and they have a long history of wiping out Millions for the greater good. The virus is designed to have minimal impact on Chinese/SE Asians, so the whole overreaction early was a cover and a bit of insurance just in case it wasn’t.

    B> The West did it intentionally. Designer viruses has been a thing for decades and the West has a long history of evil acts (nuclear, biological, chemical). And a contempt for the worthless eaters, so taking everybody down a notch is perfectly fine.

    C> They are working together. This is all part of the great reset.

    It’s all one big club and you and me ain’t in it.

  215. Rdm says:
    @FvS

    Let’s say this video below is nothing to do with the virus. But it happened. There’s also a new kind of flu happening somewhere. Some lunatics at the basement link them altogether and make it as if there’s gonna be deadly flu wave coming.

    [MORE]

    Replay it several times. Remember it has nothing to do with the virus. This events hardly makes the news in the media.

    • Replies: @Jeffrey A Freeman
  216. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @some_loon

    The Chicoms may now figure their best response is to shrug it off while letting the west engage in self-harm.

    What you call “self-harm” seems to have been the purpose of the exercise.

    As Prince Charles said, echoing Charles Schwab of the World Economic Forum:

    “We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this crisis — its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,” he said.

    “As we move from rescue to recovery, we have a unique but rapidly shrinking window of opportunity to learn lessons and reset ourselves on a more sustainable path. It is an opportunity we have never had before and may never have again.”

    While the consequences of Covid are undoubtedly seen as harmful by the mass of humanity, the fact that they will most probably make you poorer is seen as an unmitigated good by the very rich people who direct policy.

  217. Rubicon says:

    “…….the University of Washington’s authoritative Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) now suggesting that our domestic death-toll has already exceeded 900,000……”

    We are fairly sure that the above institution is a Bill GATES institution up in Seattle, Washington.
    If that is the case, we would be remiss if we didn’t point out to Mr. Unz that YOU CAN NOT RELY on anything coming from Bill Gates mouth, nor from his minions of “YES” folks.

    Do discount this source as it is illegitimate.

  218. @Curmudgeon

    The CDC has admitted that it has never isolated the virus.

    This is a gross misinterpretation of a sentence in their manual for their test which was indeed developed before the US had their first culture, that’s one of the neat things about genetics, it can be pure information. Specifically the publishing on January 10th of genetic sequences of the virus in Western databases, the first unauthorized by the CCP and thus punished. Not sure the PRC has ever released any of their cultures, they didn’t in the first few months.

    Fast forward ten days and the CDC gets its first sample which tests positive and, well, let me just quote them, and note the page tells you how to get their finest cultures of the virus from the “Biodefense and Emerging Infections Research (BEI) Resources Repository,” assuming of course you meet the BEI’s requirements for access:

    * On January 20, 2020, CDC received a clinical specimen collected from the first reported U.S. patient infected with SARS-CoV-2. CDC immediately placed the specimen into cell culture to grow a sufficient amount of virus for study.

    * On February 2, 2020, CDC generated enough SARS-CoV-2 grown in cell culture to distribute to medical and scientific researchers.

    * On February 4, 2020, CDC shipped SARS-CoV-2 to the BEI Resources Repository.

    * An article discussing the isolation and characterization of this virus specimen is available in Emerging Infectious Diseases.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  219. anonym25 says:
    @BlackFlag

    On the contrary, it is the best way to carry out a sneak attack on China and Iran as well. It was the Iranian military delegation that brought the virus with them. It explains why a lot of high ranking politicians and military forces were dying from this virus during february 2020.

    • Replies: @Garliv
  220. Trinity says:

    Good lawd, this thread is infested with (((trolls)))

  221. I worked in the computer industry for over 40 years.

    I just love the design of your blog.

    It’s one of the best I have ever come across, and many of your writers are completely awesome.

    I am not religious, and I am not Jewish, though I have never particularly had a problem with anyone’s Religious or Political views.

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    I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, but gave Religion up at the age of 15, cos I preferred Girls. However, I do not understimate, my Christian upbringing. I used to be an altar boy, and loved the Latin Mass. At the time it was better than seeing a rock band, cos it was me on stage, and in the performance marching round the streets – sometimes with a Cross, or one of these smoky things with charcoal and incense in a Thurible.

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t play guitar. I tried, and still keep trying, but I have no talent with a musical
    instrument, but I am extremely thankful, for the people I have met throughout my life, from many countries in the world who can.

    I just Love Music – especially Live Music.

    My wife and I used to travel a lot, before this COVID nonsense, and hope to do again, if we can reclaim our planet back.

    She was brought up a Catholic Girl too, but I didn’t know her when I was 15, or we would have got into big trouble much too young .

    Tony

  222. @RobinG

    I think there is another lab in Chapel Hill, N.C. at the University of N.C.

    \

  223. @follyofwar

    Seems quite a coincidence that more young people are reportedly getting sick with and dying from Covid at precisely the same time as millions of people have been dutifully getting their Covid vaccines. Could there be something to that SHEDDING hypothesis that Mike Whitney and others have been warning about?

    Mike Whitney’s shedding hypothesis

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    is that these vaccines are “leaky” vs. “sterilizing,” and the evidence we have so far is the latter for the mRNA vaccines. His claim “no one seems to understand the correlation between mass vaccination and the short-term uptick in fatalities” is ludicrous, too many people either assume the vaccination is effective before it possibly can be, eight days is I think is the minimum for the first jab, fourteen days is the standard, and do stupid things like throw a party five days after, or assume that the vaccination campaign has a much quicker effect on transmission than it can and loosen up their precautions early.

    Now the one jab version of the Janssen vaccine is concerning, it’s intended to be the very most effective single dose vaccine possible (they’re also testing two doses eight weeks apart), the Phase III trail’s primary endpoint is preventing moderate and severe disease, preventing disease is a secondary one. Useful for the Third World and populations hard to get two jabs into like the homeless or those terrified by needles. But especially with our now vast experience with mRNA vaccines, and their turning out to be easier to bulk manufacture than ones that require growth in cell cultures, not a vaccine I would generally recommend for a person, or a country that can handle the more delicate mRNA vaccines.

    Also be very sure to check the numbers behind screaming headlines about kids getting COVID-19, surely I shouldn’t have to point out their use as propaganda?

  224. Malla says:
    @GreatSocialist

    So our Fort Detrick may have accidentally or negligently released Covid-19, but instead of destroying China, it raped(Trump’s fav phrase) the USA first, and now it is raping India.

    Indian intelligence had reported of a secret China-Pakistan biological warfare against India.


    Pak-China Anthrax Plot | Bio Warfare Against India
    An agreement to build bio-warfare capabilities has reportedly been struck between China and Pakistan with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.


    Is Coronavirus A Secret Chinese Bio-warfare Weapon? India Today
    It seems an Israeli researcher Danny Shoham claimed that Coronavirus was created in Wuhan as biological warfare.

    Now I personally do not believe in the above. In India, “Chinese Imperialist Demons” are blamed for everything.

    • Replies: @As I see it
    , @Bann
  225. G J T says:

    Covid-19 does not exist. Period. The PCR tests are fraudulent, and everyone who has died has died either from a flu strain, some other common illness that can take down an elderly person, or from the “vaccines” themselves.

    [MORE]

    Covid-19 was a planned event that served a variety of purposes, among them:

    -Massive wealth transfer from the middle class to the parasitic class
    -Conditioning the general public into accepting and normalizing unprecedented restrictions to their freedom and basic rights
    -Ritual humiliation
    -Taking the next step toward implementing a comprehensive digital identification system which will eventually be used as a more oppressive social credit system
    -Create an additional source of political and ethnic tension and conflict, while also turning an increasingly disillusioned populace’s attention away from the type of activism that actually poses a threat to the regime
    -Reinforce an atmosphere of fear and dread that kicked off in full-force after 9/11
    -Sell “vaccines” that are not vaccines at all, but an experimental gene therapy that will likely kill millions of people when all is said and done, and do God knows what else
    -A pretext for the total restructuring of every facet of life as we know it

    And there are others. This is really a test run to see what they’re actually capable of pulling off with little to no resistance. Covid-19 is 100% fake, and all the ways in which it has benefited the global Jewish and technocratic regimes should make it obvious. Notice all the major players on the world stage, ostensibly enemies in many cases, play along in lockstep with one another. The one time when everyone manages to put their differences aside! How heartwarming!

    You’re being played.

  226. cranc says:
    @Tony_0pmoc

    I agree with you Tony. The article ploughs a familiar furrow, focusing on the origins of the virus rather than the effects of the response, the propaganda festival, the empty/ quiet hospitals, the censorship or the corruption of medical science. Your points have been made time and again below Unz’s other articles and they are simply ignored, as are the widely circulated analyses of Covid response worldwide. Why? I don’t know.

    [MORE]

    (https://www.pandata.org/a-critical-analysis-of-the-covid-response/?fbclid=IwAR0B73qAvTYtbI-o_a9t5CdgYkd-86qS0h8Lbwfi4MIWoVHYwiz7vFU6M_k)
    Unz argues that the virus was intended to cause economic devastation but in truth government lockdowns have. The biggest consequences of this affair are the administering of experimental vaccines and the pathway to a digital ID (VaxPass) combined with Central Bank Digital Currencies. None of this features or is even acknowledged in the ‘attack China’ hypothesis.
    The depopulation angle, as you say concerns not the virus, but the injections:

  227. Malla says:
    @GreatSocialist

    More of these

    Indians blame China for the outbreak, some even think it is Beijing’s biological weapon

    China weaponising Covid for Bio-Warfare? | NewsX

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    Is India struggle with devastating Covid second wave a planned biological war?

    In South Indian Language Tamil, so no use clicking. Luckily they have their program explained in short in English
    “The reasons for this can be seen in the fact that by the time the first corona wave was over, India had made astonishing progress in all fields, including medicine and economics.Many countries that did not come forward to help during the previous epidemic are now coming forward to help.This mainly includes India’s enemies China and Pakistan.During the reign of former President Donald Trump in the United States, pro-black revolutions escalated and created conditions against Donald Trump to defeat him in the next election.To be precise, Donald Trump was the one who expressed opposition to the many countries in the world that implicitly carry out drug robberies, oil robberies and arms robberies, or support these mafia gangs. It is believed that even these medical mafias may be responsible for the spread of corona infection.The same crowd that ousted Donald Trump is targeting India today.The global drug trade is estimated at $ 5-6 trillion a year.Of this, at least $ 1.25 trillion worth of vaccine trade was cut by India.500 billion worth of vaccine and helmet trade cut by India.
    The first reason for this is that all vaccines for India are made locally.This raised doubts among the enemy countries as to whether India was self-sufficient in medicine.In the next two or three years, 75,000-100000 charging stations for electric vehicles are to be built in India.This will reduce the amount of oil normally used by 30%.Thus global oil sales are a huge loss to profitable countries.India has also started exporting fighter jets like LCA and Tejas.This would be a setback for arms brokers as well.If such developments in India are to be stopped, internal chaos must be created in India.We need to increase spending for India.They tried to create a state of war on the borders and increase arms costs.
    But this was in response to India’s progress in domestic arms production.They then sought peace on the frontiers.
    India is currently home to millions of infiltrators from people living in Assam and West Bengal.China has always had the intention of creating civil unrest within India.So now this second corona wave may be a biological war planned and carried out by China.An attempt to exaggerate the shortcomings in India and undermine the confidence of the indigenous people in the government.There is a high probability that this second wave will be China’s conspiracy to block India’s growth along with global mafias.”

  228. @SafeNow

    Yes, the reverse-sprinkling scenario. One weakness of sprinkling is that transmission by surface contact is extremely unusual. It normally takes human-to-human close-proximity breathing.

    Quoting Rev. Spooner above:

    What intrigues me is how you convince a spook to release the pathogens. Isn’t he/she another version of a suicide bomber? Because leaving the pathogens to infect the populace without a trace requires expertise.

    If you have a culture of the virus, which of course you would if you brewed it up for this purpose, it wouldn’t be difficult to create small devices that would spread an aerosol of droplets containing the virus much like infected humans produce.

    Leaving time delayed devices and quickly picking them up before victims would start transmitting is obviously fraught with danger of being detected and leaving a smoking gun. Well, unless they self-destruct to the point they destroy both the apparatus inside and all the RNA left behind (see sewage monitoring including of old stored samples for an illustration that only fragments of the virus are needed for RT-PCR testing), but that would be pretty damned suspicious as well.

    Or the agent could be carrying the device; I suppose he could be plausibly protected by a very experimental vaccine (don’t say the mRNA ones are still in that stage, the most you can claim is that the testing is not yet sufficient), in 2017 we believed we’d cracked the problem with SARS type coronavirus vaccines to the point both BioNTech and Moderna were willing to start animal testing as the same time as human Phase I tests, a gamble which paid off fantastically.

    A simple protein based vaccine plus serological evidence of proper antibody production could give the putative masters of the infector agents confidence they wouldn’t get it. That’s pretty much required because otherwise it’s too easy for a delay in travel to allow them to infect others and leave a trail right back to home.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  229. lysias says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Vitamin D deficiency slows down the metabolism and increases appetite, which results in weight gain.

    I have broken this vicious cycle by taking Vitamin D supplements.

  230. lysias says:
    @Anon

    Fort Detrick is in Frederick, Maryland, not in North Carolina. It has an annex in Silver Spring, MD.

  231. Wade says:
    @israel shamir

    I cannot fathom why Ron Unz has not even deigned to mention The Great Reset in any of his pieces. I have a ton of respect for the man and his American Pravda series. I am eternally grateful for his efforts.

    But I must admit that I’m nonplussed over Ron’s insouciance towards the issue of the WEF, The Great Reset, which has as it’s predecessor the infamous “Agenda 2021” document. I wish he would take the time to comment on it because regardless of whether a person thinks the WEF is somehow responsible for the pandemic, it’s difficult to comment on the pandemic without taking notice of their stated objectives to initiate a complete, world wide communist revolution where no one but they are allowed to own any property. It all came right from the horse’s mouth that they are counting on COVID as the catalyzing event enabling such revolutionary theft and economic dictatorship.

    [MORE]

    Such a thing is right in Ron’s wheelhouse, even if only to ridicule it as a misguided theory. I was quite impressed with his JFK articles as he included in his survey of the literature a brief consideration of most all the available “who done it” theories. He made a great point about Allen Dulles being a retired spook about to embark on a nation wide speaking tour promoting his book, while younger members of his family were embarking upon public service careers (if I recall correctly), making it seem quite implausible that he’d take the risk of leading the effort to assassinate JFK simply as an act of revenge for being fired. I really appreciated the insight. He may have equally valid reasons to be dismissive of the WEF and The Great Reset. If so, I would greatly appreciate hearing from him on the subject. I sincerely hope HIS theory is the right one and not mine. It means that the perps aren’t nearly as competent, their crime not nearly as well planned out as I fear, their range of support from the international media and multiple GMO’s not nearly so complete, giving me some hope that things might return back to some semblance “normal” at some point in the near future.

    I noticed that Whitney Webb has an article on here showing that the WEF has now predicted a financial collapse at the hands of terrorist “hackers”. If this happens, no doubt Klaus Schwab will have “solutions” at the ready to protect us from this ever happening again. No doubt these solutions will plunge us further into technocratic dictatorship on schedule for 2030.

    If this comes to pass will any of us be able to ignore the WEF’s role in the pandemic? Surely even Ron would have to mention it then.

    I hope that I’m wrong.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @follyofwar
  232. FB says: • Website
    @anon

    Ron thinks the blowback in the USA was unintended, there is every reason to believe otherwise. The truth is that the US economy was crashing.

    The repo markets had frozen up in September 2019 and either a collapse, or a “reset”, of the western financial system was at hand.

    BINGO!

    Here is a very thorough analysis of this question by a fellow named Andrea Cecchi: The Right Virus at the Right Time

    Now I remember Mike Whitney in these very pages discussing that repo meltdown back in 2019, just months before Covid struck, but nobody had any real idea what it might have portended.

    [MORE]

    I don’t pretend to understand how the wall street Ponzi Scheme works, and I don’t think anybody really does, other than the top circle of parasites themselves. But what Mr Cecchi presents makes a lot of sense, and it involves, in a nutshell, shutting down global demand for loans in order to stop interest rates from going up, which would detonate the ‘neutron bomb’ of over TWO QUADRILLION in financial derivatives, which is thirty times the entire planet’s GDP.

    The Repo market seems to be some kind of ‘pawn shop’ for the big banks and money holders who go there to instantly cash in T-bills and other paper when they need instant cash. Apparently the holders of the cash were no longer willing to continue paying high prices for that paper, which means the underlying interest on that paper goes up. Once that starts, then interest rates in other money markets will likewise go up and then there goes the neutron bomb.

    So the strategy was to shut down most of the economy to simply kill demand for credit, and with it keep interest down. The second part of the strategy is to print huge amounts of money for the banks and corporations to keep them afloat. We have seen both of those stratagems in action over the last year.

    Here’s how we got to Covid: The Fed started pumping huge amounts into that listing repo market in 2019, up to 800 billion a day, according to Cecchi, but it was not able to stanch the bleeding.

    That was in June 2019. Then came an alarm from the Bank of International Settlements [BIS, the central bank of central banks]; things were getting very serious very quickly.

    And then in October, you have the Event 201 pandemic ‘rehearsal’ where a game plan is worked out. The WEF meeting in Davos comes in January, and boom, right after that we have the global pandemic and economic shutdown. Cecchi narrates the timeline starting at the repo crisis in June:

    Weeks go by and banks no longer trust each other and a monetary collapse is approaching. Perhaps it is not clear what can happen in a monetary collapse. It is truly the worst case scenario. In a monetary collapse, all liquidity disappears because it no longer reaches the recipients. If this happens, the economy totally stops. Like a crashing plane: everyone dies!

    The top management of the banks, in agreement with the economic managers, converge on the fact that, if the plane crashes, they must avoid complete disaster and create a solution that can make the plane glide as smoothly as possible.

    This is not so much to save us, who they definitely could care less about, but to save themselves more than anything else and the paradigm that consents the elite, including the banks, to live like leeches off of the backs of everyone else.

    In October 2019, like a bizarre coincidence, a summit took place between very influential entities, called EVENT 201. Just one month after the alarm bell of the B.I.S.

    Here you need to understand what the real risk is. The real risk is represented by the rising interest rate. During this entire period of interest rates close to or equal to zero, the derivatives bubble has swelled enormously. Everything is supported by a very thin thread.

    Very high risk transactions, based on virtual exchanges of collateral obtained by debt, almost always government bonds, which have a very precarious equilibrium . If for some reason rates start to rise, the value of the underlying warranty decreases which provokes a chain reaction, such as nuclear deflagration, where each operator looks for liquidity, which he does not have, to cover himself from instant bankruptcy.

    Then, as if by a miracle, Covid-19 arrives. And what happens?

    The central banks are therefore authorized to intervene in an limitless way. Thousands of millions or hundreds of billions of dollars are created from thin air and are distributed not only to banks but also injected directly into major companies. With this extraordinary measure, the flaw in the REPO market is moderated.

    We can say that the virus really arrived at the right moment. If it had not arrived, interest rates would have shot up and the debt market and that of derivatives (2.5 million billion – B.I.S. estimate) would have exploded into a supernova with proportions much, much worse than what happened. A crisis for which there is no tool to manage it.

    Stopping the economy and therefore the demand for loans and flooding banks with fresh liquidity seemed to be the least harmful solution.

    This is by far the most compelling piece of detective work I have seen on the possible AGENDA underlying the Covid catastrophe. And he also makes a prognosis on what we can expect to see in the coming years. Basically we will learn to tighten our belts for the coming years of austerity!

    It will take years to gingerly nurse the financial system back to stability. This shows just how close we might have come to a complete plane crash!

    But we may not be out of the woods yet, despite the extraordinary financial wrangling that they are engaged in behind the scenes right now. We are in a very dicey period and will be for some time. And it will require very capable leadership to get us through. [I’m not holding my breath.]

    • Thanks: Wade, Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  233. @Adam Grant

    Chinese government tells Chinese people America did it. American government tells American people China did it. I think we’re all being played for chumps. I don’t even know if the overt USG has any independent agency. Ask yourself this: who’s responsible for what Joe Biden reads on his teleprompter? This is a clue that everyone knows deep down something they don’t want to think about.

  234. The Truth is out there . . . .

  235. lysias says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    I suspect a high blood level of Vitamin D (which can be achieved by taking supplements) confers immunity against most respiratory infections. I have yet to read of a single case of covid mortality or hospitalization — or even just of covid infection — in a person with a high blood level of Vitamin D.

    A properly prepared spreader may not be taking much of a risk.

  236. gsjackson says:
    @Jeffrey A Freeman

    In case St-G doesn’t weigh back in, let me speculate that he is noting the similarities between the current USA and the USSR, especially during Covid Crazy Time. It does sort of seem like, say, September of 1917. The totalitarians have launched the decisive campaign, and whether or not they gain complete control I suppose isn’t yet decided.

  237. Garliv says:
    @anonym25

    It was the Iranian military delegation that brought the virus with them

    If this is true, then it does reinforce military games hypothesis as origin. I tend to imagine that China, or anyone else, would grade very low probabilities of being attacked via sneak release of biowarfare agent by anyone; leave alone by a civilized western country. And that is probably why it succeeded. I mean if countries were to make this kind of biowarfare as “highly likely” imagine what would follow as countries outdo each other.

    Interesting is how Chinese intend to react IF they seriously believe US attacked them with a biowarfare agent.

    • Replies: @anonym25
  238. Gizmo880 says:
    @Anonymous

    I have been under no pretense about our ruling class since at least the early 2000’s when it became obvious that 9/11 was a False Flag and our Government and others were involved, and that this was used as an excuse for almost all of the evil-doing our rulers have perpetrated on the rest of the world since then.

    As for the Chinese, they have no more benefitted their people than our leaders have benefitted ours with rapid economic growth. Only time will tell if it leads to a sustainable and prosperous future for their people. One could argue that this as of now short term benefit to the Chinese people is just a bi-product of Chinese leadership having no other choice but to become Capitalistic if they wanted to be the worlds preeminent power. Even the hardest core Chinese Communist Party official had to acknowledge the need to embrace capitalism whole-heartedly. That hasn’t changed the fact that they are still extremely authoritarian in nature and barely removed ideologically from the Cultural Revolution. If you think life under the Chinese Communist Party would be benevolent then in my opinion you are being extremely naive.

    • Replies: @Anon
  239. SafeNow says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    “Or the agent could be carrying the device”

    My thought is that the Covid-nebulizing device would exactly resemble an asthma inhaler. The agent would clear customs carrying multiple devices, together with a doctor’s letter explaining that this patient has an atypical case of asthma — one requiring frequent doses of inhalent.

    (Speaking of nebulizing – update on my previous posts about inhaling scotch vapors to disinfect Covid in the nasopharynx. In Spain, a trial using ethanol recently passed phase 1, is now taking volunteers for the phase 2 trial. of course, this needs to be done in Spain, because Trump once mused, gee, if only there were a way of bringing a disinfectant into direct contact with the virus.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  240. @Malla

    They may be on to something.

    Instead of framing this biological world war as China vs. USrael, Russia vs. USrael, NATOUSrael vs Russia, Russia + China vs. NATOUSrael, I use a globalist vs. nationalist lens.

    Covid is a globalist bioweapon.

    The dominant elements within US deep state are globalist. During Trump admin, they faced infrequent, incoherent and ineffective resistance. One example was Iran. So the globalists took care of Iran, and eventually Trump through a stolen election, during the first wave of Covid.

    Similarly the globalists took care of nationalist presidents of Tanzania and Burundi who resisted globalist health empire.

    The countries suffering the most during the second wave are India, Brazil and Turkey, where there are some nationalist resistance, again ineffective, incoherent, and infrequent, on some fronts from Modi, Bolsonaro, and Erdogan.

    CCP and PLA are co-operating with deep state because of export market, self-defense, and regional geo-political aspirations. But this is an unstable equilibrium.

    All these seem good old CIA-backed deep state genocidal activities, aided and abetted by silence from scientific community, party driven by fear and partly by greed as they rest and vest BioPharma stocks while enjoying their grants and tenure.

    • Thanks: Malla
  241. @aspnaz

    Ron is really embarrassing himself here. He is fully committed to his blowback theory. It wasn’t true for 9/11 and it’s not true for Covid. He should know better. The lockdown and vax agenda have made it more than obvious that this whole thing was a planned psyop.

    • Agree: Hans
  242. @Jeffrey A Freeman

    Just a foible. Because, compared with my youth and upbringing in a comparatively free country, the USA today now strikes as having undergone a weird metamorphosis into a quasi-Bolshevik (Soviet) society while the former Soviet Russia (USSR) is looking more and more sensible. So I just sometime insert the Soviet “S” where it now belongs.

  243. Guest37 says:

    I think that this “rogue Neocon elements” theory is weak. Here are some thoughts on the summary points at the end of the article.

    1. Claim: Rogue Neocon elements plan the operation and a couple of operatives release virus during military games.

    Response: How would these rogue elements develop the virus and how would they test the virus to know what its characteristic epidemiological parameters would be?

    The development of such a virus could probably be done by a small laboratory operation using ferrets or something, but the testing required to determine the epidemiological parameters of the virus on human beings (contagiousness, lethality, latency, infectious period, vulnerable age groups, etc.) would require at least hundreds of human guinea pigs of all ages. How would this testing be done?

    If the original parameter testing was done on healthy young military personnel, the virus would have looked extremely mild and would not have looked like much of an economy-busting weapon at all. It would have looked like a mild flu. And how could such testing be done without it being leaked by one of the participants by this point in 2021?

    And what’s the point of releasing the virus during military games? That would be my LAST choice if I wanted to conceal U.S. involvement. Why draw attention to yourself?

    If you want to spread such a virus, and assuming you already know its epidemiological parameters to be what we now know that they are, why not just send in a couple of infected operatives to sleep with a bunch of Wuhan prostitutes. And why just Wuhan, why not send infected operatives to sleep with prostitutes in all the big Chinese cities? Or to cough in subways or to belt out infectious songs and hymns in karaoke bars and churches?

    The military games coincidence is not evidence in favor of the Neocon theory; if anything, it’s evidence against it. Why create a link between the virus and the games when it’s unnecessary and would only create suspicion in the Chinese mind?

    2. Claim: The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon.

    Response: It’s one thing to fiddle with the DNA of the virus to make it a little more or less infectious, but, again, to design and determine its infectivity, latency period, transmission period, lethality, etc, requires a lot of testing and hundreds of human guinea pigs of all ages. How could such testing be done without people leaking?

    3. Claim: Neocons targeted Iran’s political elites with a more lethal variant.

    Response: If the Neocons could target Iranian elites, why not target Chinese and Russian elites too? And if you’re arguing that they had a deadlier variant to use on the Iranians, why not use it on the Chinese public. A deadlier variant, assuming that it otherwise had the same parameters of our current virus, would certainly be as good of an anti-economy weapon as the current virus. The terror of high lethality would disrupt an economy just as much as the extra caretaking required of a less lethal variant.

    And, if you assume that the Neocons had a deadlier variant, then you are also assuming a bigger development and testing process and thus more opportunity for leaks.

    Also, the Our World in Data website indicates that the death rate in Iran is less than half that of the U.S., so it’s unlikely that the Iranians have a deadlier variant. Nor have I seen any claims of a deadlier Iranian variant in the news.

    4. Claim: Based on our experience with SARS and MERS, the Neocons knew the virus would be contained and not spread outside China.

    Response: If the Neocons knew and chose all the virus parameters before releasing it, then they would have known that it had very different parameters than the SARS and MERS viruses, and thus they would have known that it would have been impossible to contain.

    In short, this theory requires the Neocon conspirators to have been both extraordinarily smart in designing the new virus and fine-tuning its epidemiological parameters, and extraordinarily stupid in being wrong about those parameters.

    5. Claim: The Neocons alert the DIA.

    Response: Why should the Neocons alert the DIA if they assumed that the virus wouldn’t spread beyond China? What appropriate precautions would the Neocons have wanted our forces to take if the virus would be contained to China?

    Also, the reporting on this DIA report is very meager and I think not particularly reliable. It’s one of those “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” things.

    6. Claim: The Chinese stamp out the virus and the U.S. gets slammed.

    Response: This is not evidence or argument for or against the Neocon theory, it is just a neutral observation.

    In summary, this Neocon theory is too complicated, too vulnerable to leaks, and too full of internal contradictions. Occam’s Razor suggests that an accidental lab leak or natural evolution is more likely.

  244. @Adam Grant

    no where in that article was there ANY war declaration by Xi🤷‍♂️
    a gregory copley says Xi declared war but is such a coward that he did not link to ANY Chinese media/governmental-docs, so ALL you got mr Grant is a anglozio writer making a statement about Xi`s “declaration of war”👀

    you make a weak argument based on unsourced claims by this guy:

    “GREGORY R. COPLEY
    Historian, author, and strategic analyst — and onetime industrialist — Gregory R. Copley, who was born in 1946, has for almost five decades worked at the highest levels with various governments around the world, advising on national security, intelligence, and national management issues”

    Sorry A.G old chap but that is not good enough, come back with Chinese documents or video of Xi declaring war😉

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Adam Grant
  245. @John Fisher

    Thanks, this is the biggest scam and psyop and as you said mind control operation in the history of the world.

    • Agree: Trinity
  246. Lot says:

    I was convinced covid was an accidental leak from the Wuhan lab by mid 2020. The evidence for this only gets stronger.

    Wade is one of our age’s heroic writers.

    Ron Unz is wrong about a “new China cold war.”

    Both nations have a 3% to 4% of GDP military industrial complex that needs a big adversary to justify their existences.

    But the important people who run our nations like their counterparts.

  247. RTM says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Also, if China’s government publicly endorsed the Western bio-attack theory, then their public may exert considerable pressure on the government to do something. As you describe, it probably is not in their strategic interest to be cornered into some kind of overt retaliation.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  248. The first question to ask yourself is who has benefitted the most from covid 19 and all the actions surrounding it. Everything else is noise. The winners were the globalists from around the world, the tech giants, the leftist governments, big banks, big pharma among others. The biggest losers have been the working class with any measure of success in life. This wasnt the usa vs china or china vs the usa. They worked together on this as a means to disposses the middle class and consolidate power around the world but especially in the western world, where the middle class still has much in assets the elite believe to be rightfully theirs. It is also the reason blm/antifa are allowed to run amok while white people(the middle class majority) are demonized and increasingly persecuted. It is also why they push the climate change will kill us all if we dont live like peasants asap. It is all connected and is all pushing us to the same end., a global feudalist order.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  249. juanjo says: • Website

    Que el arma biologica tiene retroceso todos los militares lo saben.Pero lo mas seguro es que amplificaron este retroceso adrede en occidente buscando el mismo objetivo que al dañar la economia china.La respuesta a esto aparentemente contradictorio,esta en el hecho que en occidente somos los pricipales clientes de la dicha economia.Luego dañando la economia occidental frenamos el crecimiento chino.A menos poder adquisitivo de los occidentales menos compramos en china(todo se fabrica en china).A esto le añadimos el hecho de que los que controlan los paises occidentales les importa una mierda el destino de los occidentales,podemos afirmar que no dudan en emprender tacticas de “tierra quemada”(quema de mercados)en la retirada ante una China triunfante en la guerra economica que occidente le planteo.El hecho de que el gobierno chino(que sabe perfectamente que ha sido objeto de un ataque biologico)tambien apoye la teoria zoonotica del covid19,es porque le conviene que no se desate una guerra que su propìa poblacion exigiria si su gobierno les afirmara la verdad.No le interesa esa guerra catastrofica porque estan muy seguros de que este es el siglo de China y esa guerra no le hace falta.

  250. Ron Unz says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    The Chinese presumably aren’t pointing fingers at the US because they know the US has a much bigger global megaphone. If China trumpets the truth, the US can drown that out by hyper-trumpeting its prefabricated cover story lie blaming China and the WIV.

    Proof of this comes from past cases. As I pointed out in my original article, for decades it’s been admitted that the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” was just a hoax, but every year all the MSM outlets still run stories about it, so everyone still thinks it actually happened, including a certain fraction of Western-oriented Chinese people, not to mention Chinese living in the West.

    Similarly, it’s perfectly well established that NATO deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999, with one NATO officer even bragging that they hit the exact room targeted, but since the American MSM said otherwise, everyone here believed it was an accident.

    I covered all of this in my original April 2020 article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Bolteric
  251. @Drew

    “I hope that you are better than that.”

    You’re hoping in vain. The sniping, condescending tone of her post makes that clear. Indeed I’m impressed with the politeness with which all those responding to her have demolished her point without descending to her obnoxious level.

    Truth and reason have their own serenity, and need no aggression.

  252. @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    Let this sink in:

    Back in the late 1940s returning WWII vets began having babied in unprecedented numbers; they came to be called The Baby Boom, or Boomers.

    With the ineluctability of basic math, those Boomers approached the age of beginning-die-off just around 2020.

    Some died younger than others, but for sure there was a glut of people more inclined to die than to remain alive.

    US elites not being the sort to let (a perfectly o-be-expected) crisis go to waste, those Boomers who did succumb were quickly classified as Covid deaths.

    I defy anyone to prove with metaphysical certainty that their deaths were or were not Covid deaths.

    If not, why were their loved ones kept from visiting them as they died, and even kept from granting them a proper burial?

    Moreover, how to account for the appearance on every friction’ web page, news item, retail advert, billboard, even message boards over major interstate highways of the Dire Warning that the Covid gonna get you! This is unprecedented! “Flood the field” was the agenda declared at one of those international confabs where the Great Reset was rolled out, and Flood the Field they did.

    For at least the last five years 600,000 Americans have died of cancer.
    Several years ago, Joe Biden even got the Obama administration to carve out funds for a cancer “Moon Shot.”
    That shot having missed the moon, Biden created a private foundation, but that entity likewise folded with no meaningful change in the rate of cancer deaths.

    This is the guy you listen to when he brays, “Get vaccinated; get vaccinated; get vaccinated!”

    Why, Joe?

    • Agree: Trinity, Kali
  253. vinteuil says:
    @Guest37

    …this theory requires the Neocon conspirators to have been both extraordinarily smart in designing the new virus and fine-tuning its epidemiological parameters, and extraordinarily stupid in being wrong about those parameters…

    That’s the fundamental problem with all of the many conspiracy theories that RKU promotes on this site.

    On the one hand, his chosen enemies, the Neocons, are diabolically clever. On the other hand, they are hopelessly incompetent.

    • Agree: Lot
  254. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ooops, that should have been “Blue State” not Red. You’d think after 30 years of the Lyin’ Press using blue for the D-squad of The Party, I could keep track, but I will always associate the color red with the Commies, of whom the “blue” squad are closer to.

  255. Ron Unz says:
    @Wade

    I have a ton of respect for the man and his American Pravda series. I am eternally grateful for his efforts.

    Thanks for the very kind words.

    I cannot fathom why Ron Unz has not even deigned to mention The Great Reset in any of his pieces…I must admit that I’m nonplussed over Ron’s insouciance towards the issue of the WEF, The Great Reset, which has as it’s predecessor the infamous “Agenda 2021” document…He may have equally valid reasons to be dismissive of the WEF and The Great Reset. If so, I would greatly appreciate hearing from him on the subject…

    Being very candid, I’ll admit that the whole Great Reset/Agenda 2021/World Economic Forum stuff has always seemed like total crackpottery to me, so ridiculous that I never looked into it other than sometimes reading some of the articles or discussion on my own website. I also put all the “Bill Gates’ diabolical plot to exterminate mankind” stuff in pretty much the same category.

    My very strong suspicion is that these sorts of (in my opinion) implausible and ridiculous “conspiracy theories” are probably promoted to divert attention from the very real and strong evidence of Covid-19 having been an American biowarfare attack. After all, wouldn’t the CIA or whomever prefer that agitated activists on the Internet spend all their time ranting about some 83-year-old Swiss international banker named Klaus Schwab who holds annual public conferences in Davos rather than paying attention to all the numerous pieces of evidence I’ve accumulated implicating America’s national security apparatus in the gigantic global disaster?

    In fact, didn’t that Cass Sunstein fellow years ago say that the using “cognitive infiltration” to promote ridiculous nonsense was the best means of defeating “conspiracy theorists” on the Internet? It worked pretty well for 9/11, so why not apply it to Covid-19 as well?

    I’d be the first to admit that various groups and individuals are certainly taking advantage of the viral epidemic, notably getting the Federal Reserve to spend many trillions of dollars bailing out their businesses and loans, and massively boosting their stock prices. But after the 2008 Financial Meltdown, they used their political power to loot the American Treasury in exactly the same way and got a huge government bailout without the need for any disease outbreak. So I doubt they created Covid-19 for that purpose.

    Still, I suppose I should finally take a look at a couple of the Agenda 2021/Great Reset articles and decide for myself…

    • Agree: utu, Levtraro
    • Thanks: Kali
    • LOL: Emslander
  256. Anastasia says:

    China and the US were in on it together. So pathetically obvious.
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-05-10-fauci-and-the-nih-caught-funding-chinas-covid-bioweapons-research.html

    It was a propaganda event extravaganza.

    So far, since 2021, there have been 3,500 vaccine deaths. Anyone counting those. It’s on the VAERS site, so you know they are low-balling the figures.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  257. @Guest37

    In summary, this Neocon theory is too complicated, too vulnerable to leaks, and too full of internal contradictions. Occam’s Razor suggests that an accidental lab leak or natural evolution is more likely.

    Also note the complete absence in Ron’s theory of the one major, explicit player in the hoax – Gates and the Foundation. The man could come out holding a sign that says “I HAVE A GOD COMPLEX” and start singing an aria about how he managed the whole thing and people, every ready to bleet, would just run down the list of deflections:

    [MORE]

    1- FACT CHECK: Bill Gates did not sing about orchestrating a fake pandemic
    2- Rockefellers!
    3- Rothschilds / Jews!
    4- Deep State
    5- Whatever else

    It doesn’t even matter where this pitiful little virus that only kills the severely infirm came from anyway. All that matters is what Big Tech is doing to us in its name – a subject to which Ron seems deeply averse, preferring to burrow into his own Rube Goldberg theory about its origin. The premise of such a theory is that it’s somehow more dangerous than the seasonal flu, which it isn’t, or somehow differs radically from the rest of the coronaviridae, which it doesn’t.

    Whatever. Line up and take the fake vaccine against the fake doomvirus. We can’t stop it now.

  258. The US risked nuclear annihilation to spread a moderately bad flu to China and Iran. While doing this we took absolutely no precautions to protect ourselves from the inevitable blowback and spread of this “Bioweapon”.

    Not adding up.

    • Replies: @anonym25
  259. @Irish Savant

    Yeah – same as in Italy on a business level – according to thee German Wirtschaftswoche 2300 (!) Chinese businesses in Northern Italy. – Flights from Wuhan not least going in and out regularly.

  260. @FB

    Is this the Whitney repo piece you recall? The timing is not identical to your comment but it is the closest I could find:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-repo-fiasco-the-feds-cash-injections-send-stocks-soaring/

    • Thanks: FB
  261. Ace says:

    The massive damage to America’s economy and society was not the result of the virus but of the disastrous, moronic official response to it. Whether deliberately or coincidentally, the official response benefited from the pathetic risk aversion of the American public that simply would not entertain the notion that “stuff happens” in life and that the risk of exposure to the virus is in the same category of exposure to auto accidents, cancer, and heart disease. Too bad if you’re “it” but society doesn’t implode if you are.

    A fourth possibility comes to mind, namely, that the virus was seen as an opportunity to further damage America by the same malevolent spirits who foist open borders, BLM, AntiFa, diversity, CRT, white supremacy, systemic racism, hate speech, anti-Semitism, Christo-Judaism, propositional nation, living Constitution, and the ever-malleable the Interstate Commerce Clause on us. The sick determination to foist masks, distancing, and lockdowns on us and the poisonous attack on those miscreants who “spread disinformation” about the corona virus and “useless” alternative treatments and preventatives show that this event had or took on a life of its own from the earliest stages.

    The appearance of the virus in China early on argues against the theory that this was initiated inside the U.S. but the massively destructive opportunities can be argued to have been recognized by the domestic forces that are bent on destruction of America and the initiation of the Great Reset.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  262. anonym25 says:
    @Garliv

    The Chinese decided to stand down. They knew they were attacked but they possibly couldn’t find enough evidences linking those responsible of this biowarfare and neither prove how it was carried out. I also believe the Chinese secret services fumbled their security operations and after that they judged it would be best to avoid any controversy about a potential biowarfare.

    Thus, they peddled the hypothesis of a naturally occuring pandemic. They thought they could sweep the origins of Covid19 under the rug and normally continue to fight the pandemic along with the whole world. However they didn’t count on Trump’s rhetoric to sway the narrative towards the Wuhan lab, unfortunately for them, happens to be near the first outbreak of the virus. This clearly indicates that perpetrators of this biowarfare deliberately released this virus in Wuhan and skillfully concealed their modus operandi in order to blame the Wuhan lab for this calamity.

    However no newspaper has picked up on Trump’s decision back in september 2019 to withdraw US scientists from the Wuhan lab and to freeze the multimillion dollar coronavirus detection plan for the Wuhan lab.

  263. @Ron Unz

    The serious part of The Great Resset discourse is the Compact for Migration and Mekel’s/Barrack Obama’s Biden’s (and the EU’s) idea to install world peace by forcing immigration – not least into Europe and the US. Ok and Bill Gates is thinking rather big here and there and I do think that he does not get everything right (not least because he might underestimate the unintended consequences of actions in complex fields (such as world health and world prosperity and – the healing of the climate, so to speak).

  264. @stevennonemaker88

    German Health Care minister just released the following info: Number of patients with CO-19 in intensive care beds in 2020: 4% of the sum total.
    Number of people on a ventilator in Switzerland in 2020 lower than in 2019.
    No excess deaths in Germany in 2020. Excess deaths in Sweden in 2020: 0,04% – in the range of a severe flue wave, like it happens once in ca. six years in Sweden (for details see hailtoyou.wordpress.com)

    • Thanks: stevennonemaker88
  265. @FvS

    i believe the chinese knew it was a bioweapon…& were prepared. perhaps the 2 earlier had alerted them to the possibility or perhaps the researchers leaving the winnipeg lab had alerted them, perhaps they had allowed gates & fauci & the us teams simply to watch & wait. after putin had publicly queried why the americans had taken blood samples of russians, possibly both china & russia were waiting, whilst preparing. sputnik V came on with admirable speed. i also suspect america’s supposed withdrawal from afghanistan will be quickly fitted up with bioweapons & head choppers. it was interesting to read that along the chinese/myanmar border there was an isolated outbreak of covid. america will stop the bri & the rise of russia, china & iran by whatsoever means it can. & o/c when all else fails america will resort to nukes. as putin & china have both pointed out, america is the only nation to have used nukes.

    thank you, ron unz, for retuning to this pivotal subject.

  266. Clyde says:

    Thanks Ron…bookmarking to return to and read this long piece

  267. If it was the U.S., it was an act of war and a war crime of unparalleled historical proportions. A bioweapons attack upon a civilian population against a nation we are not at war with.

    Not to say its not possible, but it would make the bombing of Dresden or Holocaust look miniscule in comparison in terms of heinous acts.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  268. Ron Unz says:
    @SafeNow

    My thought is that the Covid-nebulizing device would exactly resemble an asthma inhaler. The agent would clear customs carrying multiple devices, together with a doctor’s letter explaining that this patient has an atypical case of asthma — one requiring frequent doses of inhalent.

    Exactly.

    I have zero expertise in biowarfare, but the notion that we spent billions to develop extremely-sophisticated viral weapons but still rely upon infecting our agents and have them go around coughing on people in other countries is totally ridiculous. Armies in the Middle Ages would sometimes try to spread the plague to their enemies in that sort of way, but I suspect we have better means these days.

    That’s why those (very doubtful) reports of some of our participants in the Wuhan World Military Games having been sick at the time is very likely just a red-herring aimed at discrediting the general scenario.

  269. @Ron Unz

    Seems unlikely that the virus was *created* by WEF types, but it sure seems like the virus has been overhyped and exploited in order to advance the Great Reset agenda, which is basically “increasing bureaucratic control at the expense of individual autonomy” (“everything as a service”; “you will own nothing and be happy”).

    The mask mandates and fanatical vaccine evangelism are clearly an attempt to acclimate the population to a new and intimate tier of government dictate, very similar to the expansion of the surveillance state that occurred post 9/11.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Freedomstillisntfree
  270. Ron Unz says:
    @Guest37

    Response: How would these rogue elements develop the virus and how would they test the virus to know what its characteristic epidemiological parameters would be?

    Without going through your long list of questions, many of them already explicitly or implicitly addressed in my original article, I’ll clarify the issue you raise here.

    Based upon everything he said and did, I’d say there’s 0.00% chance that President Donald Trump authorized the supposed biowarfare attack on China. Therefore, by definition, it was a “rogue operation” by elements of our national security apparatus.

    However, I do think it’s perfectly possible that some very senior figures in the Trump Administration were the ones actually behind the attack. For example, Mike Pompeo was one of the leading anti-China hawks and just recently had been head of the CIA. So I would think that he and a few people around him would have had all the necessary authority and contacts to plot the attack. I don’t have a clue whether he was the one, but someone like him would be my best guess.

    Given their rank in the government and lateral contacts, they would have been able to simply utilize our existing biowarfare capabilities for their purposes, much like had probably happened during the 9/11 attack or (for those who remember) the Iran-Contra Affair of the 1980s.

    So all the technologies involved, including the particular types of virus, had long been developed by Ft. Detrick or our other biowarfare labs, and they were simply diverted and deployed by an unauthorized group of plotters, probably backed by someone at a pretty high level.

    In some respects, America’s biowarfare capabilities were hijacked a little like how the Neocons hijacked the foreign policy of the Bush Administration after 9/11 or how a different group of Neocons hijacked the Trump Administration despite the fact that he had originally been elected as the anti-Neocon candidate.

    • Agree: emersonreturn, Wade
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  271. @follyofwar

    Often “coincidences” are engineered events. I will NEVER take one of those vaccines…

  272. cranc says:
    @Ron Unz

    In fact, didn’t that Cass Sunstein fellow years ago say that the using “cognitive infiltration” to promote ridiculous nonsense was the best means of defeating “conspiracy theorists” on the Internet? It worked pretty well for 9/11, so why not apply it to Covid-19 as well?

    That could be better levelled at you Ron Unz. The blowback theory about 911 was bullshit just as your blowback theory of Covid is bullshit. Anyone can read that you have self admittedly ignored the arguments and evidence that contradict your own theory over the past months, whereas people on here have gone to great lengths to explain that evidence which your theory does not account for, and which you do not even acknowledge. You hurl around pigeonhole labels as if following a CIA script, and such name calling is always the last resort of someone who cannot defend their position.

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    I prefer honest logical argument in support of a theory which accounts for all the relevant evidence.
    I can only speculate as to whether you are hamstrung by your own arrogance or are working to some agenda. Either way, I no longer believe you serve the wider cause of truth.

    “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

    Yeah, right.

    • Agree: Stonehands, Emslander
    • Disagree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  273. @Ron Unz

    Thank you for allowing me to post on your blog, and also thanks to the people who replied to the words I wrote, I also agree with you re

    ” I’ll admit that the whole Great Reset/Agenda 2021/World Economic Forum stuff has always seemed like total crackpottery to me, so ridiculous that I never looked into it”

    Maybe you should.

    [MORE]

    You are quite obviously a good man, who is searching for the truth as best as you can.

    I just really like the design of your blog, regardless of the content.

    Like anyone can post here, and you can preview your words, and edit them if you like, and you have a countdown 5 minutes, where you can edit them ….and then they in my case, the words appear.

    You seem to have pretty much a similar kind of open mind as me, except I can’t be bothered to run my own blog, cos if it gets very popular, you have to take Responsibility for it…like Moderating the most extreme comments, and have the possibility of being sued and even jailed, as a result of some tosspot, who has decided to use your blog to cause offense…and you have to deal with that.

    I do not have that much courage, nor interest, and neither does my son, who runs an ISP, with all languages under the sun.

    He is like the plumber, connecting the pipes. He has no interest in the content of the sh1te, providing his customers pay their bills, and if they don’t. he will give them fair warning and cut them off. No Pay No Service.

    He is doing O.K. He is the most honest person of integrity I have ever known

    He has got My Grandchildren to Feed…who are enormous fun..he brings them around a lot ..in fact most of the time..

    I accept the world has changed, yet it still pretty much the same. My wife and I got considerably older, but neither of us have been vacinnated, and we still look pretty much the same. Our hair is still growing out of our heads, and she does her best to keep me fit. We grow a bit of our own food, in our back garden.

    I feel Blessed to have been born on this Planet, and have been so lucky to meet and keep such a lovely wife.

    She nursed me back to health at home earlier this year, when I was really ill, through lack of sunshine and Vitamin D.

    We are still in love.

    Tony

  274. @As I see it

    Assuming the numbers are not fudged, excess death does NOT tell us that people are dying of covid. It is probably caused by lockdowns, pneumonia (Which is present in more deaths than covid according to the cdc), economic issues, postponing medical care for unrelated health issues, etc. Correlation and causality often overlap, but are not the same thing.

    • Replies: @As I see it
  275. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:

    Guest37 [244] is representative of CIA’s frantic cognitive infiltration on this thread. A few hallmarks of the approach.

    1. his point here relies on distortion of the vague public understanding of CIA clandestine crime. CIA’s feasibility test is deniability. ‘The link between the virus and the games’ doesn’t matter as long as CIA can engage in finger-pointing. It doesn’t matter if the world is suspicious, or even certain, as CIA’s JFK assassination shows. So the Wuhan games allow CIA to disperse suspicion among multiple countries.

    Guest37 also ignores the misattribution benefits of Wuhan with evidently willful obtuseness. Acknowledged introduction allows CIA to blame the Wuhan research center.

    2. CIA biological warfare ‘requires guinea pigs of all ages.’ How could such testing be done? In disappeared populations. Like those of Israel, other CIA client states, or CIA’s own secret, partly maritime, torture gulag. CIA has form in the crime against humanity of disappearance. Ignoring how CIA’s crimes interact to make one particular crime seem implausible is telltale CIA propaganda. CIA’s municipal-law impunity permits compound crimes of high complexity.

    There’s lot more CIA crap in there but it’s too irrelevant and stupid to dissect. Burns, you pedo puppet, this is not like where you work, there are smart people here. Dimbulb hasbara doesn’t cut it.

    • Replies: @d dan
  276. @Wade

    In early July 2020, Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret published their bombshell book “COVID-19: THE GREAT RESET.” It contains 252 pages of excruciating detail of how Covid is destined to change the way the entire world will henceforth operate. Its three parts are broken into Macro Reset, Micro Reset, and Individual Reset, each containing several chapters.

    Now, as of ten months ago, we were only a few months into the pandemic (AKA their “plandemic”), but it is inconceivable that Schwab and Malleret could have written such a detailed account in such a short time frame. It’s hard not to conclude that the whole thing had to be written in advance, with only minor changes made as the Covid assault on mankind quickly evolved. Schwab and his colleagues at the WEF may not have personally unleashed the virus, but they knew it was coming, and they kept everything top secret until it was unleashed on the unsuspecting rabble, whose overpopulated billions must be reduced by any means possible.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Skeptikal
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  277. @stevennonemaker88

    “… the alleged pandemic is so out of proportion to the tiny lethality that the
    whole thing amounts to a hoax”.

    If only COVID vaccines were a hoax too… A year or two from now it may be much
    harder to convince people that it all started as a hoax.

    • Agree: stevennonemaker88
  278. @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    We love you (in a manly way), but your avoidance of certain theories does not avoid THE issue:

    CHAOS is the objective. And it will be accomplished by encouraging and facilitating the agendas of any number of powers operating under separate psychopathic agendas of world dominance–when truth be told–they have no chance of achieving anything other than chaos. That is the object.

    Only upon accomplishing total chaos will the ultimate “Vaccine” be revealed to this world.

    However, there is a consensus upon one fact, namely the unsustainable madness at hand. For that reason alone, it wouldn’t hurt to do a story on the useful idiots of this world, be it Agenda 2021/Great Reset, Bill Gates who may believe they labor toward their own goals, when they do not.

  279. anonym25 says:
    @Keith snipes

    The US did take precautions for this bioweapon but this was poorly executed by Trump. It was under the Obama administration that this virus was created to target China. He had created a pandemic playbook to weather the upcoming pandemics creating a multibillion dollar funds to use it in a time of crisis.

    However the democrats lost the 2016 election and Trump took over. Even though he was warned by Fauci in 2017 that a pandemic would certainly happen under his watch, he withdrew funds from this pandemic prevention plan and left America wide open for this self-inflicted disaster. The Crimson simulation occuring during the first six months of 2019 clearly showed how ill-prepared the US was at that time to withstand this storm.

    Prophetically, Biden even had warned Trump during october 2019 to prepare himself for a pandemic. So of course he knew something that we didn’t.

  280. @That Would Be Telling

    While I agree that a single immunocompromised individual or a small, isolated community COULD have produced a virus with 17 protein changing mutations, there’s no evidence for either case (it would have been interesting to examine samples of the virus over time from the individual or isolated community). Growing a coronavirus in human cell lines with serial passage would likely lead to whatever mutations were favored for infection and rapid growth; unless the culture system was elaborate (unlikely to contain immune system cells, a heroic undertaking!) there would be no increased immune-resistance with such a massively mutated variant from culture. We do know that B.1.1.7 showed no evidence of immune resistance (Planas et al, 2021) despite increased transmission, although B.1.351 (South African variant) showed immune evasion in the same study.

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    And while I generally agree that most viruses evolve to be more transmissible and less lethal, SARS-COV2 is unusual in that about 99.8% of those infected survive, most with no or minimal symptoms. There is really no selective pressure (masks?? common cold coronavirus T cell (less-selective) immunity?) While I’m not a fan of Geert vandem Bossche’s theory, it is a cogent argument that should be considered. He has been emphasizing that his concern is widespread vaccination DURING the pandemic, saying before or after would be fine. The combination of lots of virus spreading about and antibodies specific for a very small region of the virus would put selective pressure on the virus to evade antibodies to the S protein. Worse, it could create an analogous situation to dengue, where antibodies to other strains PROTECT novel strains (increased virulence). Other examples are mostly in farm animals, but a real concern for many virologists.

    It makes much more sense to vaccinate the VULNERABLE globally, and wait for the children and young and healthy who are at minimal risk. Natural immunity (to the entire virus) also is preferable to vaccine-immunity, particularly from vandem Bossche’s perspective.

  281. @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    The point is almost a million people are dead THAT WOULD NOT BE DEAD IF THEY DID NOT CATCH COVID 19. Let that sink in.

    I just explained why this is incorrect. Someone who committed suicide, but tests positive for Covid is counted as a covid death. Per the CDC’s OWN website. Someone who dies from sepsis, which is a deadly condition, can be counted as a covid death. People who are being counted as covid deaths, in the majority of cases, DID NOT DIE from covid; they died “with” covid, and a notoriously unreliable test at that.

    [MORE]

    Who cares that they had pre-existing conditions?

    Anyone interested in the truth and an accurate understanding of what is going on cares. Especially when their exists overwhelming evidence that fraud is being committed on a vast scale.

    If they had not caught COVID 19 they would be ALIVE today.

    This is ridiculous. As I mentioned, they died of other causes. When the average age of death is the same as the average life expectancy, it should be obvious we are being lied to.

  282. Nothing about the pandemic seems organic to me.

    As someone else mentioned, ask who benefits?

    Is it a coincidence that a huge percentage of small business and restaurant owners happen to be conservative?

    Why did they lie so much about the fatality rate of covid? Why did they claim it was a danger to young people as well?

    Why did they lie about the effectiveness of masks and social distancing?

    Why did they pay hospitals huge amounts of money for every covid diagnosis?

    Why have they outlawed any information that goes outside their bullshit narrative?

    Can it be a coincidence that Gates had a coronavirus simulation just a few months before the outbreak?

    Why are they so adamant about the damn vaccine when there are a number of effective treatments available that are not as sketchy as an untested vaccine?

    • Agree: michael888
  283. @CanSpeccy

    That’s my take, too. A puzzling departure from Ron’s usual premise-building.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  284. Ace says:

    This third possibility seems vaporous to me.

    First, I believe military or intelligence officials would not choose to release a pathogen at or about the same time that hundreds of U.S. military personnel were in Wuhan to participate in a military athletic competition. The risk of infection of our own troops wouid have to be considred. If the method of release involved a timer that risk would be negated of course but still there would be the possibility of a post hoc ergo propter hoc analysis on the part of the Chinese. More to the point, it would make far more sense to employ an American operative acting as a tourist as the one to release any virus. To say the least, choosing to do that when there is no U.S. military athletic delegation in town would be imperative.

    I know sane, patriotic high government officials in the U.S. are in short supply but I’d wager on a reigning timidity in the ranks rather than a bold initiative risking war or enduring Chinese hostility. If you think they’re irked by the burning of the summer palace back when, just imagine the white-hot fury of the entire Chinese nation if it came to light such an attack had come from even a small group of U.S. morons.

    Second, the idea that China had suddenly come to be seen by U.S. schemers as this enormous threat warranting this gigantic crime doesn’t jibe with the fact that since the days of Deng the U.S. has in every way sought to strengthen China (and destroy our own industry). Suddenly there’s been this volte face and now it’s Katey bar the door for the We Hate China crowd?

    Third, the appearance of virus outbreaks in China in years immediately prior to the Wuhan incident doesn’t suffuse post hoc ergo hoc with any additional legitimacy as a type of argument. Not to mention the fact that there’s nothing to indicate that the previous outbreaks had anything to do with American machinations. Familiarity with and experimentation with biowarfare agents is not an argument for their having been used. The U.S., Russia and China have nuclear weapons but that doesn’t mean they think using them would be a good idea. In the unlikely event that I were to obtain a personal firearm that doesn’t mean I’d eventually go on a rampage at my local Walmart.

    Fourth, some sort of geolocation exercise was reported by Mr. Wade that showed that a virus “hot spot” if you will was at a subway station close to the Wuhan lab.

    Fifth, Mr. Wade reports that research on bat coronaviruses were authorized to be done at safety level Level 2 out a total of four possible levels, 4 being the absolutely most secure way of proceeding. To give you an idea of the recklessness, Wade indicates Level 2 only requires “wearing lab coats and gloves, not sucking up liquids in a pipette, and putting up biohazard warning signs.” Even I can grasp the difference between “research on bat coronaviruses” and “gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.”

    Sixth, Wade indicates that what gain-of-function work was really being done at the Wuhan lab cannot be definitively known until the research notes of Dr. Shi are examined. Access to them is being denied by Chinese authorities. I wonder why. If the malevolent, hegemonic American did this, what’s the objection to releasing Shi’s notes?

    It’s not relevant to the immediate topic, but on the issue of gain-of-function research, I’ll be darned if I understand the rick-benefit analysis applied to bless scotch taping random RNA sequences into certain viruses to see what you get. If you don’t do that, the chances are zero that you’ll get naturally what you got artificially, so why bother with the Frankenstein possibilities? So just the activity itself seem unnecessary and possibly horribly dangerous. QED.

    Sixth, the Chinese reaction is far more revealing than the presence of U.S. military athletes, prior virus outbreaks in Chinese farm animals, and prior research in biowarfare. Chinese embarrassment at its egregious supervision of the lab is the operative concept.

    On the ever revealing analysis of what’s omitted from official versions, there’s Mr. Wade’s point that the U.S. funding of the Wuhan lab research — I am not making this up — was formally proscribed. Authorization for an exception to the U.S. legislative proscription of gain-of-function virus research had to have been forthcoming from none other than Dr. Fauci and/or the director of the NIH, Francis Collins. And it was forthcoming. Let’s hear from these two officials what in the world they were thinking.

    • Agree: dimples
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Ace
  285. annamaria says:
    @Alfred

    Thank you for the link to the great video. Very enlightening!

  286. @stevennonemaker88

    Yes, all those factors contribute to excess deaths. But Covid is a factor, too.

    Ethical skeptic on twitter has done excellent work on excess death stats over the last 10-12 months by separating Covid deaths from deaths caused by other factors. You can follow his work if you are interested.

    In most OECD countries Covid death numbers are a bit inflated, I agree. And we can debate by how much. But even the reduced number is still a very large toll. And we are just talking deaths, not long-term health damage and reduced life expectancy.

    On the other hand, most developing countries are under-reporting excess deaths, I am pretty sure.

    My mother lives in a high-rise apartment complex in India. She personally knows six people who died in the last few weeks. Similar symptoms – fever, fatigue, rapid fall in oxygen level, breathing problems, death. With a better health care system, some of them could have been saved perhaps. But it’s undeniable Covid is taking a brutal toll on India. If anything, Indian death stats are grossly under-reported. Even during normal times, 1 in 5 deaths in India gets registered. Forget about proper attribution.

    • Replies: @alan2102
  287. @Alden

    If USer militants were dosed in China, it would look bad for China. So much easier for a few “tourists” to dose up NYC, LA, O’Hare, and so on. Who ya gonna blame? How you say?: Don’t make poo-poo on your own doorstep.

    It is far more likely that the US dosed China in China.

  288. @That Would Be Telling

    Yes, Peter Forster’s group went silent after a very promising beginning, and so did a British lab which published a provocative paper on ‘vaping’ deaths.

    I wrote their PI and he was very helpful for a while, then suddenly the line went dead. Regardless of where the virus originated, there is certainly a Western conspiracy to assign blame to China and divert attention away from its earlier appearance in the US and Europe.

    See my comment, #54, and accompanying charts on its early history in the US.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @utu
  289. @Anastasia

    So far, since 2021, there have been 3,500 vaccine deaths. Anyone counting those. It’s on the VAERS site, so you know they are low-balling the figures.

    You’re claiming … what, the CDC is deliberately losing reports? That I’m pretty sure the people making the reports can check? Or you think reporting to VAERS is being suppressed?

    Note that these are correlated “adverse events” (death), and “correlation does not imply causation.” Given how thorough and successful the vaccination of the elderly and ill has been (note all the truthers who claim those dying “already had one foot in the grave”), we know a substantial number of people would have died with or without the disease.

    [MORE]

    So the question is how many were actually killed by it, and that requires analysis. You can do it at the high level with actuarial information, and the authorities are examining it for the specific individuals in question, as well as the still serious but not lethal correlated serious adverse events. Which also have substantial numbers (you can retrieve data from the site, they make it very easy, provide a good tutorial etc.) but still not large when compared to how many people got a jab, almost half the country now, 153 million so far.

    Unfortunately this is guaranteed when giving any drug or biologic to so many people, nothing is 100% safe. As is getting the disease itself with its vascular attacks, there is no safe option.

    One other issue is that rare events like the one with Janssen and clots in the veins draining blood from the brain wouldn’t have been found as “signal” in the clinical trials, where in Janssen’s one person did actually experience this. These Phase III trials as large as any, but still only give the vaccine to 15K to 23K people, not enough to discover a pattern from an event with as I recall a 1 in 500K to 1 in a million probability.

  290. Bob says:
    @Biff

    In this link March 17, 2021 at 12:49 am GMT • 1.8 months ago

    Ron says:

    Sure, I’ll probably get the vaccine at some point and I’m pretty skeptical of all the wild anti-vaxx lunacy. Then again, the companies did rush out the vaccines very quickly, and I just noticed that a bunch of the biggest European countries suspended use of the leading vaccines because of possible serious health complications. So there’s no harm in waiting a little and seeing how things play out.

  291. @Gizmo880

    Indeed the Chjinese ARE the good guys. They have constantly argued for a more just International Order, and for the end of the dominance of the USA/Five Eyes/NATO pathocracy. They have lifted up their people and those who co-operate with them in trade, and all the glorious West has left is military coercion and threats, followed by aggression, destruction and mass murder, and its economic warfare equivalent, sanction, subversion, financial enslavement and pillage. This is a fight between Unspeakable Evil and Imperfect Good.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  292. annamaria says:
    @thotmonger

    “I pine for an essay by Unz regarding the larger question of how this “great plague” is being so extravagantly exploited by Big Pharma, Big Tech, and other Big Crooks for whom life usually tends to be rather cheap.”
    — That’s a great suggestion! The profiteering cannibals must be exposed, including the moral midget Fauci of fake professional credentials.

  293. Kratic says:

    Conspiracy or not
    Last year when I check the US Patent office all those SARs, MERS (Middle East) and Specially Codvid 19 were listed or awarded to Several US agencies such as Agriculture Department, Homeland Security, and probably Defense (dont remember) and one British company in Liverpool (from memory)

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20050002953A1
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US10130701B2/en

    Now I can not find the old pages and the new names look so strange.

    These Days: 1. Wonder what happened to those corona virus infected Chines falling like leaves. 2.The Chinese researcher from Harvard trying escaping from US and busted by FBI (was it a hoax) no words on that. 3. March 2015 Nature magazine published an articles jointly written by Americans and Chinese scientists working at University of North Carolina. The writer acknowledge Guess who none other than Dr. Fauci and National Health Institute grant. 4. The bats brought to NC State university were from area about thousand miles away from Wuhan. 5. MERS was stopped because it was not doing it job of spreading and instead killing the Palestinians (yes Conspiracy theory). 6. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross talking about corona virus how it was going to influence Chinese economy and corporation will relocate US back in Jan/Feb 2020.

  294. Franz says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Beyond the simple contemporary contrast between the current respective trajectories of the formerly affluent American public and the rising prosperity of the Chinese people, history emphatically demonstrates the point.

    Fine comment, yet the first point says it all.

    As young Americans face diminishing opportunities under the current regime, their Chinese counterparts really can dream of the stars. And worse, the Biden regime is going through the motions to deliberately keep the status quo. Which means more wars that bankrupt the country, more stupid payouts to bankers whenever the economy hiccups, more debt and more uncertainty for its citizens.

    A nation that destroys its future as wantonly as the US has in this century is raising serious questions: Is it a nation or not? And was it ever? Everything the old time anti-Americans once said has come true, and nobody in Washington seems to give a toss.

    • Replies: @Biff
  295. @Godfree Roberts

    And the Murdoch cancer in Austfailia is now, as expected, running hard on the ‘It’s a Chinese bioweapon, DELIBERATELY, unleashed’ assertion. Mad dogs always grow more frantic and agitated as the disease eats away at their brain, and do too do Murdochite racist hate-mongers grow ever more frenzied in their campaigns.

  296. @Godfree Roberts

    as i’ve mentioned to you before, my husband & i believe we had covid in the fall of 2019. our gp suspects as much as well but as he doesn’t trust the testing in canada has never had us officially tested. we believe we contracted in WA in late september 2019 from a nursing home where the MIL was staying. the number of deaths was high, all registered as death due to pulmonary fibrous. how covid came to be in WA in late summer through late sept is not clear to me. that pompeo confiscated all related records in WA is interesting. my husband & i both survived, we are both in our 70s. i have some lasting side effects, we each suffer memory issues. we consider ourselves fortunate. & will take only sputnik V if we are allowed to fly on covid negative test to mexico/san marino/austria (if they decide to buck biden).

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @dimples
  297. @Ace

    The USA would gladly sacrifice its ‘athletes’ in order to spread a virus in China, to ‘..bring China down’, as US and other Atlanticist thugs have ceaselessly declared is their intention. The White, Western, European, Judeo-Christian ‘Gods Upon the Earth’ have run the planet for five hundred gory years, and they aren’t about to surrender that power to a bunch of ‘mere Asiatics’.
    Having the disease spread outside China (first to Iran!!!)is designed to create a casus belli for war on China. Even now the Evil thugs of the hate-mongering Murdoch cancer here in Austfailia are spewing the lie that China ‘deliberately’ released this bioweapon, because they are Evil, Yellow, Commie monsters. This will, as ever, spread through the rest of the fakestream media moral sewer, where the words ‘Fort Detrick’ and the acronym ‘AMRIID’ never pass the presstitute vermin’s lips. As for the ‘egregious supervision’ of the Wuhan lab, that’s just racist lies. The VAST US bio-warfare apparatus reports ‘incidents’ on average every three days, and AMRIID was closed in July 2019 for failures in its waste disposal system. As for whether the US Reich sees China as a threat, the war on China began in the Austfailian Parliament in 2011 when Obama declared the ‘pivot to Asia’. And the US Ambassador, Huntsman, after the ‘Arab Spring’ farce, attempted to foment a ‘Jasmine Revolution’, only NO Chinese turned up, only Western presstitute scum.

    • Replies: @Ace
  298. @Adam Grant

    You are mistaken.
    President Xi neither declared a 30-year war on the U.S., nor did he announce that he had begun a “new 30 Years War” with the US. He warned China that the US was cruising for a bruising, just like it always does.

    • Replies: @Adam Grant
  299. Tx212 says:

    This is no conspiracy. This agenda was already set out a few decades ago. Remember operation northwood and then 9/11. This is no different. There were already references made to which this pandemic would be happening in various movies and artforms.

    [MORE]
    Akira for example references the Japanese olympic games, pandemic and NWO/NGO interfering with it during this year. Rockfeller has already published this in their Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development document for operation lockstep in 2012, furthermore this was also telegraphed in various statements made by politicians/Bill Gates were to happen in the later years. In fact, there’s a page on world worldbank with covid-19 test kits imported in 2018 as code 300215 cached on waytimebackmachine. These lineages of wealthy families have already telegraphed their plans in operation spars and covid-25 for the next coming pandemic. There is also a ‘100-year’ plan that will tell you they plan to stratify people by ‘job level/career levels’ and transhumanist dogma causing inequities and inequalities amongst future persons in 2050 that is googleable right now. All actors on stage have acted in a concerted manner and any war thereafter WW1 has involved multiple coordinated families, lineages and dynasties to extract wealth from the public.

    CDC has already patented Ebola and its associated strains. If the public were to do a countersurgency or uprising, they would simply release a deadlier gain-of-function high-lethality disease. Accenture is already working with various network partners along with Microsoft’s blockchain patent to roll out a CDBC linked to your digital ID. It seems unbelievable, but it really is not. Coercion is possible with more economic resources and military power. The origin does not matter, but it’s likely that Fauci (as seen in the dossier files if searched on Qwant/Yandex) has stipulated that this bioweapon was created in the states and funded to the Chinese lab. Afterall, even globalist Trudeau admitted to liking the authoritarian model/regime way of running things.

  300. Ace says:
    @Ace

    Correction. Not a “hotspot” by the lab. Rather: “the hospitals receiving the early patients are clustered along the Wuhan №2 subway line which connects the Institute of Virology at one end with the international airport at the other . . . .”

  301. Sarah says:

    I remember very well the beginning of this pandemic in Wuhan : an European journalist and geopoliticsl analyst declared immediately : ” It’s an attack against China “.

    Your article confirms that totally.

  302. JasonT says:

    I agree with this article except for these parts of (4) and (6):

    “(4) the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.”

    They assumed correctly, but due to the failure to cripple China with the bioattack, Plan B was enacted whereby the seasonal flu in the Western world was hyped into a killer disease so that the real Powers That Be (PTB) could start their takeover of the Western world. This move was made BEFORE the PTB wanted to make it but their failure against China required it because the PTB’s grip on the Western world was going to fail with the impending financial meltdown.

    “(6) Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten media attention. Since the CDC had botched production of a testing kit, we had no means of recognizing that the disease was already spreading in our country, and the result was massive damage to America’s economy and society. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.”

    No. The ‘pandemic’ in the Western world is largely fabricated through medical malpractice, effects lockdowns and outright lying by medical authorities. The disappearance of influenza as a cause of death in 2020 should be sufficient to tell you that.

  303. Art says:

    The US government or the Chinese government — Hmm — who did Covid.

    Many times, the outcome of the truth of a crime, is more destructive than the crime itself. The guilt of a crime can be manipulated to destroy an otherwise good person for the rest of their life. In the case of Covid, it would be best if neither country is found guilty.

    All the Chinese citizens or all the American citizens would be held accountable for the crime, when neither people wanted or voted for this to happen.

    It would be best for the world if the Wuhan Lab was implicated in some way to the crime. Then both countries would be guilty – because both put money into the Wuhan Lab.

    p.s. The only true smoking gun in this crime, is that the Iran political leadership was attacked with Covid. This means Israel. The one country in the world, most likely to do something like this.

  304. utu says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    1. John Malone – 2.2 million acres
    2. Ted Turner – 2.0 million acres
    3. Emmerson family – 2.0 million acres
    4. Reed family – 1.7 million acres
    5. Stan Kroenke – 1.4 million acres

    50. Hadley family – 260,000 acres

    https://www.usatoday.com/money/

  305. Skeptikal says:
    @israel shamir

    ” View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us. ”

    It certainly has ushered in Gleichschaltung 2.0, international edition.

  306. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Strangely, the more educated people are, the more gullible they seem to be.

    No doubt, in my lengthy life I’ve found that high IQ and/or highly educated folks are without a doubt some of the stoopidest and most dangerous mother fuckers walking the planet.

    A well developed moral compass in the individual is much more important to the survival of a well run civilization than is high IQ.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  307. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “So all the technologies involved, including the particular types of virus, had long been developed by Ft. Detrick or our other biowarfare labs, and they were simply diverted and deployed by an unauthorized group of plotters, probably backed by someone at a pretty high level.”

    So you don’t agree with the Wade hypothesis?
    The virus came from the USA?
    And was carried to China?
    After the bat virus had been brought from China to Fort Detrick?
    So, Dr. Bat Woman had nothing to do with creating the virus, despite her publications about her work?

    Huh. Just doesn’t seem to meet any kind of Occam’s Razor requirement.

    Unz seems to be going out on a limb and create a few hoops to jump through in order to sideline the point of Wade’s work.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  308. lloyd says: • Website

    In the Old Testament and Torah, God takes the people of Israel out of bondage in Egypt by inflicting a plague that kills the first born of every Egyptian family. Since the publication of the Late Great Planet earth in the late 1960s, evangelical Americans have been gleefully looking forward to the apocalypse as prophesised in contemporary events. Many under their influence, must have taken up careers in the US alphabet agencies. Then there is the rise of extreme religious Zionism. These two groups form an indivisible bond of shared texts and apocalyptic beliefs. Then there is the odd issue of early infection in Iran and France. Lands of anti Zionsim and the Yellow vests. If any groups are capable of inflecting biological warfare, it is them. They live in mental worlds outside normal humanity. Both America and Israel have a recorded history of biological warfare. Not common with either, but biological warfare requires only a few operators.

  309. There are two curious events that occurred within the first day or two of the Western press picking up the story that shouldn’t be overlooked:

    A sports program on Taiwanese television reported at animated length on the dismal performance of the American military’s team at those Wuhan games, their main point being how could the US not seriously challenge China’s military, which apparently swept the games (we came in something like 30th place). I think the sportscasters’ inference was that either the American team was already sick when they arrived, accounting for their poor performance, or the team members were intelligence operatives masquerading with limited success as athletes.

    I looked into it and the US team apparently never does very well at these military games–maybe not so badly as in 2020 in Wuhan, but not unreasonably outside expected margins. On the other hand, many team members were hosptalized, if I recall, and the team does train near Ft Detrick, the bio-warfare facility in Maryland. And the facility had been roiled recently by internal politics of the type that could be triggered over a struggle whether to launch an attack like the one Ron suggests may have occurred.

    What I thought was most interesting about the Taiwanese television program, however, was its hat tip, in which it gave credit for the story idea to an Israeli blogger. What the hell is an Israeli blogger doing planting stories in Chinese media clearly intended to focus Chinese suspicions on the US as the source of the virus? But not in the mainland Chinese media, where authorities would be completely aware at the outset that the news story about the possible American involvement was prompted by a tip from Israel. But if the story entered the Chinese media through Taiwan, it would be sanitized of the Israeli interest–had the Taiwanese sports program not politely thanked the blogger with a hat tip.

    Why would Israel–or, at least, an Israeli–do this? Especially if, as Ron argues, the American plan (if there was one) was hatched and executed by Deep State neocons? There would be no incentive to plant the story if the goal of the bio-attack (if that’s what it was) was to damage the Chinese economy. There would be a lot of incentive, however, to give the Chinese traction on pointing a finger at the US if the neocon’s goal was conflict itself between China and the US. In such a case, it would be in the interests of the warmonger to not be identified to either party.There is a reason the Israeli Pledge of Allegiance is only five words long, “Let’s you and him fight.”

    Incidentally, if there were direct ties to Israel and the operation’s purpose was to increase conflict, the story of the Israeli confirmation of the US Defense Dept’s November 2019 caution is put in a much different light.

    The other oddity: does anyone remember on, like, day 2 of the media coverage an Israeli firm announced it had already discovered a successful vaccination, and then you never heard anything more about it? Almost like a clandestine operation had grown too big to keep all the squirrels herded and some over-eager neophyte hoping to cash in big had been unable to restrain himself and then was immediately shut down by a call from someone you’d better believe he’d obey, and the slavish American media, of course, dutifully played its treasonous role by never mentioning it again.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Wade
  310. Trinity says:

    Some dude died of covid after being shot dead.

  311. Derer says:
    @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    Your theory that people with diabetes died exclusively from Covid19 or people with high blood pressure died exclusively from Covid19 or people regardless with any preconditions died exclusively from Covid19. However, by implication then you are suggesting that people that survived (large majority) the Covid19 infection did not die because of good health. Good health is also precondition. Be consistent!

  312. Refl says:
    @Realist

    I also read past that sentence in the vain hope to find some substantial information. Still, Ron Unz’s articles are a point of reference to me and the site maintains a unique range of views on the issue. And I am asking, why he is still riding on the corona train.
    The crisis is a virtual reality crisis, the thing is fake but it is taking on its own reality. Soon, there will be substantial death tolls, as the sheep are taking the vaccination of death. I would be happy to read Ron Unz’s article on Covid, the psycological weapon of mass destruction, with all its background, how responsible leaders worldwide were bullied into obedience. That would be a masterpiece!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  313. Ace says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I have no doubt that lab negligence is a factor everywhere but failing to observe regulations or spilling something are negligence. Failing to devise proper regulations for something with so obviously hazardous is a failure of judgment. A junior lab tech can spill something; a responsible scientist with boatloads of training makes a bad judgment call on the wrong safety level.

    I failed to address Mr. Unz’s point about the early appearance of the virus in Iran. It fits nicely with the pre-Biden mad hostility to Iran so it’s a good point. “Oh-so-convenient target” does not, however, mean “only place that the virus will end up.” The age of the people killed undoubtedly has a bearing on the timing of the initial appearance of the virus. IIRC there was also a region in Italy that had an unusual number of cases, probably related to the large number of Chinese workers in that area. “Early appearance” and “high rate of infection” are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

    Another point I didn’t address is the possibility that U.S. perpetrators had good reason to think that the virus would not spread beyond China. Were I an analyst in the USG helping to prepare an ops plan for a deliberate release of a virus somewhere, I most certainly would not put my name to a paper that said don’t worry about uncontrolled spread. Swine and bird flu may have stayed down on the farm in China but the Spanish Flu went round the world in the blink of an eye measure even measured in dog years. You bet. Viruses stay contained. No worries, chief.

    All that said, I totally agree with your views on the “US and other Atlanticist thugs.” I once was the consummate cold warrior but since 1991 I think the U.S. and the Western world has sunk into the absolute depths. As a ZeroHedge commenter gcjohns1971 put it wrt a certain article,

    “The Petty, vain, venal, neurotic, obsessive, corrupt and cowardly denizens of our national political apparatus inherited the greatest concentration of wealth, industry, goodwill, and military power in 6000 years of history and squandered it in a single generation.”

    That still doesn’t adequately describe the satanic malevolence that has come to dominate in our times. Absolutely EVERY decision in the political, economic, fiscal, monetary, media, or educational realms is exactly the wrong decision. Every one.

    Even given that malevolence, I think there is still a measure of caution in the swine. Even U.S. aircraft carriers appear to be keeping their distance from Iran and the army doesn’t dare take on the Russians head to head in Syria or Ukraine. I don’t think the Joint Chiefs would in a thousand years rubber stamp a hair-brained scheme to release a bioweapon in China. Needless to say, I sympathize with my brothers below the rank of general officer who are abused and misused in this hideously stupid pursuit of “being back.”

  314. Skeptikal says:
    @Ace

    “The massive damage to America’s economy and society was not the result of the virus but of the disastrous, moronic official response to it”

    The most moronic “response” (lack of response) was the failure to jump on all possible early treatment options for those diagnosed with covid-19.

    Then, the reliance on a moronic not-fit-for-purpose PCR test totally skewed statistical info on the seriousness of the disease.

    Then, the decision by the CDC to change the guidelines for filling in the “cause-of-death” portion of the Blue Form created further corrupted statistics and opened the floodgates to full-blown panic.

    Another piece of fake science was the nonsense about asymptomatic transmission.

    Then, there was the lack of preparedness for the need for PPE and adequate hospital beds, despite years of “pandemic simulations” carried out at the apex of our military/medical complex. See Paul Schreyer’s brilliant video on these simulations, in German but with very good English voice-over:

    .
    IMO any commentary or analysis of the covid-19 pan/plandemic that fails to account for the info presented in this video is lame.
    Only police control measures were simulated. No medical response was gamed/simulated.

    Then, the mask madness was the cherry on the fearmongering cake, with Fauci flipflopping and creating confusion, chaos, and fear.

    Then along come too apex predator/morons, Gates (sidekicked by Melinda) and Fauci, to really ram it home.

    • Thanks: Stonehands
    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Dumbo
  315. @Rev. Spooner

    Oh yeah, big expertise.
    1) Stand behind the fan.
    2) Hold your breath.

  316. Franz says:
    @israel shamir

    But Unz may consider another version: the subject of the attack was the whole of mankind, while the perpetrators are the Davos Wizards dreaming of Great Reset.

    Good stuff.

    It fits with Ron Unz’s point above, that COVID is a low-lethality weapon and the effects would mostly be economic.

    The American agencies have waged war on their OWN people for decades, offshoring, in-migrating and relentlessly destroying the Middle Class that once was.

    Makes sense for them to do it to China, but even MORE sense to continue stamping down the small business, independent thinking class in the USA.

    Finance capital hates the idea of freedom; it engenders too many things finance can’t control. How happy they’ve been been forcing the idiotic mask and distancing mandates shows their sheer lust for totalitarian control.

  317. Trinity says:
    @Anon

    And for the most part totally USELESS I might add. OVER-analyzing some horseshit over and over and over and over and over.

    Man, shit or get off the pot, already.

    Thank you, and Thank God Almighty there are sane people left.

    • Replies: @Anon
  318. @emersonreturn

    Clearly, evidence of Covid’s existence in the West is being suppressed.

    Yes, right now, it appears that Sputnik and Sinovac are by far the safest bets.

  319. Iva says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuKPBur_TiI………..Chinese book describing instruction chow to create pendemic and relise virus

  320. @thotmonger

    On that note, watch the film “Contagion” from 2011. Seems it was a blueprint for Covid, if you ask me. Complete with terms like “social distancing”.

  321. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    “Man, shit or get off the pot, already.”

    Ah, yes, the data collection phase that never ends in the pursuit of ‘perfect’ information . . . and then they go off and fuck up whatever it is they were working on anyway, with often horrible results for all stakeholders (who have to clean-up the mess).

    At which point, the problem was obviously in the execution of ‘the plan’, the fault of the worker bees, not their own shit intellects.

    It goes hand-in-hand with a level of arrogance that is often breathtaking to behold, the ‘I got good grades, so that means I’m good at everything to which I set my mind.’ type of mindset.

    They really should be institutionalized for the protection of all, perhaps a special zoo or some such facility where we can throw them peanuts and they can fling their turds . . . safely from behind bars.

  322. utu says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “Peter Forster’s group went silent” – His paper was trashed:

    https://www.pasteur.fr/en/research-journal/news/phylogenetic-analysis-sars-cov-2-strengths-limitations-and-over-interpretations

    No evidence for distinct types in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2, Oscar A MacLean et al. (14 May 2020)
    https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/6/1/veaa034/5827470

    The “Peter Forster’s group” seems to be a family enterprise with coauthors: Lucy Forster and Michael Forster

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  323. dimples says:
    @BlackFlag

    I agree. Why draw attention to your plot by using the military games where your own military is attending? This only draws conspiracy theorists to see this coincidence as ‘evidence’. It would be easier to just go into any Chinese shopping center or market with a hairspray spray can full of Covid or any of the many other methods that I am sure are found in military textbooks. If you take out the military games coincidence Mr Unz’s theory falls apart.

    But the real question for Mr Unz is: Who were the American games contestants and have any been tested positive for prior Covid? If he actually believes his theory perhaps he could ask around about this.

  324. @Morton's toes

    I agree.

    The theory that there is only one perpetrator while everyone else is either an intended or collateral victim seems to be too simple. In the modern world, you don’t need to have much technological capability to obtained a bio fluid with high viral load and unleash the disease on your enemy. Hell, even Sudan special services could probably have done that! There are so many conflicts in the world, too many to name or count…

    We will never know the true sequence of events. But it could be as follows (omitting the earlier history). The virus appears (somehow) in Wuhan. There it is recognised as lethal and highly dangerous (whether this is true or not). To avoid the lockdown, the virus carriers escape from Wuhan to other places around the globe. The chessboard is set.

    The secret services of many countries recognise the danger – and the potential for getting back at their enemies. The virus starts to pop up in different, sometimes unlikely, places.

    The bioweapon laboratories existing in many countries (e.g., USA has several in Ukraine and Georgia) all switch to studying – and modifying – the virus. New variants begin to appear, sometimes being quite different from the original virus.

    The countries that escaped the first wave are of particular interest – why are they spared?.. New variants are being tested in these countries and – bingo! – some of them work.

    If this (admittedly, borderline crazy) theory is correct, the second round of the virus wars will start after massive vaccination. Can a virus be created that only hits people vaccinated with this vaccine but not that one? If so, wait for the variants resistant to specific vaccines to appear around the globe.

    Just when am writing this, a news has arrived that Russia accused the USA of dragging other countries into the Biowarfare research, claiming that at least 16 US biolabs have been set close to the Russian borders. There is no direct accusation that these biolabs are dealing with covid-19, but something like that is implied between the lines.

    The problem is, once biowars have started, they are extremely difficult to stop. As said, spreading the virus is a low-tech operation, and can be performed by a small unit or a single (perhaps rogue) operative. It is very difficult to prove the origin of the virus. The deniability potential is huge, and so is the temptation to use the virus.

  325. Trinity says:

    You have a better chance of being killed by a Great White than (((covid-19.)))
    You have a better chance of being killed by lightning than being killed by the “deadly virus.”
    You have a better chance of finding the Boogey Man under your bed than being killed by coronarona.

    Death is certain for EVERYBODY BREATHING. FACT: You will die of something, be it, a heart attack, cancer, automobile accident, whatever. Are you going to be afraid to live??????? I know some freaks think they will live forever but it taint happening on planet Earth.

    lolololol.

    This would be hilarious if it weren’t so damn pathetic.

  326. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    I had a part-time job in the late 1990s transcribing NPR and CNN. I’d swear, whenever they mentioned the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, they always called it the “accidental bombing”. There must have been a memo instructing them to say that.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  327. What a load of absolute twaddle.
    I particularly love how Wuhan, instead of being home to at least one bat-virus-splicing lab – which the US had to shore up with funds to keep a lid on their sloppiness – is miraculously transformed into “the major transport hub” which the Chinese somehow swiftly managed to shut down (but only for domestic travel).

  328. agnosticon says: • Website
    @Bigtone

    I have to agree with Bogtone. This is one of the weaker part of the Unz argument. It seems the only way to rescue it is to trot some sort of expert who can corroborate this time line. He does not do this.

    In general this article is disappointing. While his hypothesis is plausible, he does very little to further it in this latest instalment.

  329. Wild Man says:

    What does ‘rogue elements affiliated with Deep State Neocons’ even mean? America is in the process of being usurped and overtaken by the ‘corporatist neoliberal globalism inclusive of the role necons play in that vein’, that want one world government (that will not be serving America, folks). If Mr. Unz means by ‘rogue elements affiliated with Deep State Neocons’ the ‘corporatist neoliberal globalists inclusive of the role necons play in that vein, that want an extremely elitist one-world government, that will not serve America, or the west, or the world’s populace (but constantly says they serve the world’s populace by misdirectional rhetoric) but will serve a small cabal of billionaires and their most important lever-pullers among the upper echelons of the international (actually globalist) technocracy’ …. this would make sense. This billionaire set tends to share a peculiar kind of fascism. The upper echelons of the technocratic set, that serve them (but whom also hugely benefit from this arrangement) display their own differing peculiar kind of fascism. The entire cohort (billionaires + the most powerful technocrats) is comprised of people from all parts of the world, at approximately per-capita-rates ethnicity-wise, except for one ethnicity, …. of interest, is that the Jewish ethnicity is represented within this cabal, at approx. the 25% level, which is approx. 100x more than would otherwise be expected, per-capita-wise. The globalist cabal has a definite Jewish flavoring to it.

    Now, … within the west, the populaces have been controlled (towards the above-mentioned cryptic globalist agenda) by many many false narratives. There are all kinds of signs that the covid narrative is so compromised as well. As such ….. our suspicions around covid shenanigans, should feature the globalist cabal as the most probable culprit, for the faux covid narrative as well (and the particulars of how that narrative is upheld …. inclusive of operational issues …. like the nuts and bolts of getting a pandemic going).

    Mr. Unz – please clarify as to what you precisely mean by ‘rogue elements affiliated with Deep State Neocons’.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  330. Alden says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Thanks. I remember an article in the local Jewish community newspaper the first week of March 2020 bragging about Israeli covid vaccine research. America locked down the following Tuesday.

  331. d dan says:
    @anon

    “Guest37 [244] is representative of CIA’s frantic cognitive infiltration on this thread. A few hallmarks of the approach…”

    Added a further fact that Guest37 is the first time commenter here.

    This has happened many times in the last 1 year or so. Whenever Ron Unz publishes an article on his theory, you are going to see a few first time commenters appearing out of nowhere, pedaling whatever the story of the time favored by the CIA/Intelligence. Initially, it was the Beijing government “cover-up against their whistleblower” story, then the Wuhan lab leak theory. A few months ago, it was the LOCAL Chinese government “cover-up against Beijing government” story, etc. Now the natural occurrence theory.

    Given that this site has caught their attention (e.g. simultaneously censored by Google and Facebook -who has that power?), it should not be surprising nor difficult for them to insert a few commenters here or there to create some smoke.

  332. Billb says:
    @supertjx

    “I’m surprised the Chinese have not made a concerted attempt to point the fingers back at the US. I have also not noted any serious discussion of this theory on Chinese political websites like guancha.

    What could be the reason for this?”

    The Chinese government wouldn’t want to be forced by their public opinion into responding immediately to such an overt act of war. They show similar behavior when it is necessary to tamp down anti-Japanese feelings- deleting unwanted comments, talking rabble-rousers into desisting etc.

    If they actually know what happened (perhaps they actually have hard evidence), who did it and that the blowback is sufficiently damaging to the perpetrators, then a private acknowledgment of such to, say, the US military, who is unlikely to have been involved or known about such a plan in advance, may well be preferable.

    A number of quite nasty things are known or suspected to have come from Ft. Detrick, including poisons and biological agents in glass ampoules intended for assassinations overseas, but of course there are other sites. The timeline of relaxed drone strike rules, African swine flu outbreaks, and the trade war all point to a decision to generally “take the gloves off” in late 2017. Ominously, “new strains” of swine flu are showing up this year, again threatening food security, after the Chinese pretty much had it licked.

  333. Ron, great article. Thanks.

    And the comments, many well-informed, add greatly to its importance, provide huge amounts of information.

    But … please store a copy of your archives and articles off-shore. Otherwise, when you disappear, they’ll disappear.

    You are another Julian Assange. Different breed, same species.

    For the first time, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer, speaks in detail about the explosive findings of his investigation into the case of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

    https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange

    It was one of the largest leaks in the history of the3 U.S. Military. The U.S. immediately demanded that its allies inundate Assange with criminal cases. We aren’t familiar with all the correspondence, but Stratfor, a security consultancy that works for the U.S. government, advised American officials apparently to deluge Assange with all kinds of criminal cases for the next 25 years.

    That’s a tiny part of the article. But Ron, prepare for a deluge.

    Thanks again,
    Ann

  334. dimples says:
    @emersonreturn

    Dear Madam,
    If you believe you and your husband got Covid in 2019, why not prove it or otherwise by getting a test? I am not suggesting you are incorrect in your beliefs, but actual evidence is better.

  335. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I’d be the first to admit that various groups and individuals are certainly taking advantage of the viral epidemic”

    And what about those who failed to take any advantage ending up with the worst of both worlds scenario? I am thinking about the so called the Right or the alt-Right. What is interesting that all those on the Right who are taken by the Grand Conspiracy Scenarios with Gates and Schwab playing the central roles failed to see the great opportunity the pandemic created for forwarding the goals for border closing, immigration reduction, reemphasis on nationalist economic development which most of them ostensively subscribe to. Instead they went with covid denialism and do-nothing approach and being the eternal victim of somebody else’s conspiracies.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  336. Skeptikal says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    I remember something about this Israeli shot.
    And I recall that suspicions were immediately voiced in the alternative media.

  337. @Curmudgeon

    In other words, China kicked Jews out of their without anyone noticing.

  338. Wild Man says:
    @utu

    Open border = a policy upholding the globalist cabal’s sub-agenda of weakening America, so as to better aid the globalist cabal’s ongoing usurption of American hegemony

    Open the immigration spigot = ditto

    Portray nationalism as evil = ditto

    Covid chaos leading to ongoing erosion of civil liberties = ditto

    It’s all of one piece.

  339. @Curmudgeon

    Where was this “metabolic disease” prior to the 1980s?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  340. @Thomasina

  341. Biff says:
    @Franz

    A nation that destroys its future as wantonly as the US has in this century is raising serious questions: Is it a nation or not?

    Someone once told me it is not a nation, but rather a ‘business’, and that has made the most sense to me, as we have seen in the past, businesses hollow out their own infrastructure as they restructure their holdings to accommodate the board members ideological and financial outlook for the future.

    The nation/business of America is basically a mirror image of its corporate counterpart.

    Useless eaters should take notice…

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Anon
  342. @utu

    You mean “The Institut Pasteur, which is responsible for monitoring respiratory viruses in France”?

    The jiboneys whose utter ignorance of the early 2019 outbreak of Covid-19 in France suggests that they were and remain complicit in the Western coverup.

    Not only are the Pasteur folks incompetent, they did not ‘trash’ the Forster study, but correctly suggested that “the analysis should have been performed a second time with different samples to verify the stability of the results”.

    As to Dr. McLean’s claims, ask him whether he would prefer to be infected with the 2015 strain that was circulating in the USA or the current Indian strain?

  343. @Refl

    Refl, Mr. Unz has got his theory, and he’s stickin’ to it, come hell or high water. I don’t agree with him. However, if you look on this site, there’s an American guy who’s been living in Germany named C.J. Hopkins who’s done an excellent job in documenting the hysteria and the aim to make the world of 2020 the new normal, in numerous articles – at least a dozen. There is Mike Whitney, who also has written a few good articles on this PanicFest.

    It was somewhat untimely, but Mr. Unz put the great Conservative pundit Michelle Malkin on his site, right about the time of the ‘rona, and she had some choice things to say about it. As usual, they leaned toward life for the children, the schools, etc. as related to the stupidity of this PanicFest. There’s Ron Paul, who’s always a reasonable guy, and sees the new attacks on liberty for what they are, 20 years after the last big round.

    Again, the turning of this virus epidemic into Black Plague 2.0 (with talking heads with pie charts this time), the taking advantage of it to introduce a much more powerful Police State, and the not-so-small matter of it being used, along with the CheatFest, to oust Trump* IS the story here.

    As much as I think Mr. Unz is missing the big story here, he is a stand-up guy for having all these anti-panic writers on his site. Thank you, Ron Unz, for that!

    .

    * This one was even discussed multiple times by the illustrious Steve Sailer (an earlier panicker, but always the calm, reasonable type) also on this very blog. He writes so many, but try to find his posts about the delay of the introduction of the Pfizer vaccine from Oct. to Nov. of ’20, after the normal testing was completed. This was very blatant.

    • Replies: @Refl
    , @gsjackson
  344. @Trinity

    Robert Hunter, songwriter for The Dead, said it best:

    “If the thunder don’t get you, then the lightning will.”

  345. Ace says:
    @Skeptikal

    Many thanks. That’s an insightful video. I watched the first part but am forced to save it for later viewing. I agree wholeheartedly that the American warfare state needed a new justification and it sure as hell wasn’t infrastructure renewal.

    Your comment matches my epiphany about the reality of the American state. I thought that the Cold War and America’s role in it were righteous and it all gave meaning and direction to what the U.S. did around the world. I’m not a believer that the Soviet threat was in any way a contrivance of the Cold Warriors but if I thought the Soviets a malevolent entity I now most certainly do NOT see Russia as being in any way a carbon copy of their criminal ways. Yet here we are beating the “Russian threat” like a rented mule and speaking of the Putin “dictatorship.”

    It’s all hideously contrived and the years since 1991 have stripped away the veneer from the “exceptional” nation. The reality is that there is a stunning malevolence at the heart of American society that satanic. See the comment of gcjohns1971 that I quote at comment 315, below. Absolutely NO decisions affecting the fortunes of the American republic or its citizens are intended to protect or advance the interests of either.

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    Forgive me if I don’t do complete justice with regard to your comment but suffice it to say that the studied obtuseness of the so-called political class can be seen in the way that the “crisis” was handled. Americans accepted initial control measures because we understood there was a dearth of information about what the threat was. It quickly became apparent that there would be no principled national exploration of the threat and all sensible options. Instead we saw an amazing effort to keep such a debate from happening and to suffocate all mention of HCQ, vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, mortality rates, etc. The stats were distorted as you point out, the tests goosed, and prominent and obscure people punished, ridiculed, and deplatformed for daring to advance alternative views. Aka, for daring to spread “disinformation.” What persisted was a haphazard glop of half-baked, tendentious commentary from Fauci and precisely zero movement toward a refined and practical overall policy. Good luck discovering what exactly our policy is today. And the facts about the vaccine are murky at best and the official version suspicious at best.

    Civil liberties and freedom of speech were attacked with hardly a wave of the hand in the direction of constitutional authority for the draconian measures adopted.

    And then out of nowhere comes the bizarre Klaus Schwab with his presumptuous of course, children, we must now play a game of “52 Pickup.” You agree, of course, ignorant peasants. We, whoever we are, have it all figured out for you.

    It’s difficult to make the necessary adjustment from believing Western civilization was on a pleasant, salutary upward trajectory to greater prosperity and rational living to realizing that Western civilization is a nothing more than a sick joke and its elites sicker still. But I’m well on my way there.

    • Replies: @As I see it
  346. bayviking says:

    Mr. Unz presents a plausible case against an institution both created and later condemned by Truman. An institution that JFK wanted to break into a thousand pieces, until he couldn’t anymore. An institution that begins every national and international crime with a patsy or false enemy State, to preserve “plausible deniability”. Two reasons Truman denounced the CIA he started is their meddling in domestic affairs and their assassination or overthrow of democratically elected politicians around the world, always in the name of democracy and freedom.

    There are more people here that consider Mossad to be responsible for everything that is wrong with this world. Israel is an extra-ordinarily violent nation, but the violence, terrorism, and size of the United States CIA, NSA, ans military industrial complex is second to none. While whining about Russian interference in US elections the USA has a record of ruthlessly interfering in the elections and business activities of almost every other country on earth, including at least one Russian election. That is just the tip of an iceberg. The USA has invaded other countries, bombed and tortured civilians and attempted to develop mind altering drugs and biological weapons, all to advance economic domination of the planet earth, today that would be US Libertarian (ie neo-liberal) capitalism.

    Never mind that the USA routinely creates economic crisis, various combinations of mass graves and migrations, blow back like 9-11 and once slavery and still poverty, instead of promoting the general welfare, always for the benefit of the ruling class. Never mind that it has probably murdered as many people as Hitler over the course of the last 250 years.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  347. Clyde says:
    @Adam Grant

    China has 18.5% of the world’s population but only 7% of the world’s water, 70% of it polluted. Much of China’s farmland is polluted. In the coming years China’s need for expensive food imports will be the anchor around its neck. As Copley has stated, “China is finished.” If China is going down they want to take us with them.

    Add in the Three Gorges Dam which supplies 11 percent of China’s electricity. It was hit with very heavy rains last spring and almost came to a spillover state. The Chinese released tremendous amounts of waters to relieve the pressure, to prevent spill overs, thus flooding farmland and cities downstream. A disaster was averted but can happen any year if enough rains fall. If this dam blows China will suffer catastrophic economic losses and tremendous blow to their confidence. Chinese are superstitious about their emperors losing the “Mandate of Heaven” and this includes pig faced Xi Jinping and his cabal.

    The Mandate of Heaven (Chinese: 天命; pinyin: Tiānmìng; Wade–Giles: T’ien-ming, literally “Heaven’s will”) is a Chinese political and religious teaching that was used in ancient and imperial China to justify the rule of the King or Emperor of China. According to this belief, Heaven (天, Tian) embodies the natural order and the will of the just ruler of China, the “Son of Heaven” of the “Celestial Empire”. If a rul…

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  348. Refl says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You are right, that there still is a tremendous amount of information on the corona lie to get on this site. What really makes things bad is the awkward fact that the hoax has gained a life of its own and it is closing in on us. I keep contact with the few people I know who are clear on the issue. The family has been split, a large part has been lost to the vaccine. If the prognoses on the effect of the vaccination are true, then we will have to face some pretty grim realities in the near future.
    One of the best pieces I have found (in german) said it very clearly: This is to big to go by without all of us suffering severe personal losses along the way. Think of it as a war, where you know that a certain percentage of your loved ones will not survive. I am absolutely sober about this, and I lose my patience when I see people with the intelligence of Mr. Unz sticking to the false narrative.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  349. Franz says:
    @Biff

    The nation/business of America is basically a mirror image of its corporate counterpart.

    That works on at least one level: The high esteem American labor was accorded till the 70s or so, when Buckley and the Think Tanks decided they wanted cheaper help, and they saw a world full of it.

    An earlier and less stingy version would be the old Hudson Bay/Canada relationship, since trappers can’t be effectively be replaced by cheap labor countries. They had to be dealt with fairly as long as there was a demand for fur.

  350. @Tdstype2

    Yes indeed brave and written in plain English.

  351. @Sick of Orcs

    Trump is an entertainer. He was shocked when he won the first time and it showed in his total ineptitude, what with stocking his cabinet with neocon retreads and the feckless, Jarvanka Habad-House dual agents.

    In order to warranty that he wouldn’t win and have to endure 4 more years of the clown-car ride, he authorized the State of Emergency on March 13 expanding the rules for mail- in voting, thereby guaranteeing a Biden victory.

    Trump is happy now. He can grift from the sideline forever, with his shitty web page that has no comments section, no discourse, and lots of flags- and a donate button, don’t forget to donate!

    I call it the Election Flu.

    P.S.
    925,000 dead! Keep it up unzy- you’re almost up to 6 million!

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  352. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    What does ‘rogue elements affiliated with Deep State Neocons’ even mean?…Mr. Unz – please clarify as to what you precisely mean by ‘rogue elements affiliated with Deep State Neocons’.

    I actually tried to partially clarify that in a previous comment upthread:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4647833

    Mike Pompeo and John Bolton would be the most prominent among the “Deep State Neocons” I’m describing, and the leading candidates in the Trump Administration for having organized the plot. Whether or not they were personally involved I can’t say, but there were lots of others in their immediate circle who fall into the same category.

  353. The one thing I would be interested in that I have not seen much discussed:

    98% of what we were told about HIV / AIDS also must be viewed now as complete bullocks. I need to read Duesberg’s book again.

    [MORE]

    It is showing as out of print and a used copy is > 100$!

  354. gsjackson says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    True, but a long-form Unz-Pravda type treatment of all the steps taken and money dispensed by the likes of the World Bank and IMF, in order to ensure an unprecedented uniformity of response around the globe, would really move the discussion forward.

  355. denk says:

    [If you tried to write in English instead of ranting like a lunatic with bizarre and mysterious jargon, your comments might have more value.]

    Too much BS in the comments, too little time.

    Do you know that for every major pandemic that ravaged the world in these past century, there’s a fukus gof program behind it. ?

    fukus did gof on Ebola in Africa, that pandemic hit the continent in 2014. [1]

    [MORE]

    2013
    FUKUS did gof on BUbonic in Kazakhstan, that plague hit China in 2014, triggering a lockdown, [2]

    2013
    fukus did gof on Dengue in Pak, that pandemic exploded in the country [3]

    fukus did gof on bird flu H5N1, H7N9 and publicise its methodology, China has been devastated by the two virus repeatedly, the outbreak in 2013, 2020 decimated Chinese poultry industries. [4]

    Fukus did gof on coronavirus since 2008, SARS1, SARS2 devastated China in 2003, 2020. [5]

    Tip of an iceberg….

    [1]

    Basson is surrounded by cloak-and-dagger intrigue, as he told Pretoria High court in South Africa that “The local CIA agent in Pretoria threatened me with death on the sidewalk of the American Embassy in Schoeman Street.” According to a 2001 article in The New Yorker magazine, the American Embassy in Pretoria was “terribly concerned” that Basson would reveal deep connections between Project Coast and the United States.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2014/10/secret-project-created-weaponized-ebola.html

    [2]

    When it opens in September 2015, the $102-million project laboratory is meant to serve as a Central Asian way station for a global war on dangerous disease. And as a project under that Pentagon program, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the lab will be built, and some of its early operation funded, by American taxpayers.

    The far-flung biological threat reduction lab may look like a strange idea at a time of various sequester outbreaks, but officials say it’s an important anti-terror investment, a much-needed upgrade to a facility that has been described as an aging, un-secure relic of the 1950’s, and one that the Defense Dept. fears can’t keep pace in an era of WMD.

    hint to newbie,
    Empire watch rule 1
    Feed everything coming out of fukus into an inverter and you’d be fine.

    heheheheh

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/4xxk7g/why-the-us-is-building-a-high-tech-plague-lab-in-kazakhstan

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @RobinG
  356. @Publius 2

    Agreed!

    But what of the commentariat here? Falling over one another, fawning over Ron “925,000” Unz.

    Oy vey- its annudah Shoah!

  357. @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz, have you read Josh Rogin’s book Chaos under Heaven? Yes, the author is a neocon to some degree. From what you wrote above, I figure you may have read it – the characters you mention and their ideas about China are in this book.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @MEH 0910
  358. stanloona says:

    I wont’ dismiss it out of hand because I am interested in the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is for my belief system. I’m not fan of the American deep state after they stole the election and are waging a war on (of) terror against conservatives. However I also despise the Chinese communist state. Just because the American right’s anti-China propaganda is on the level of the Weekly World News doesn’t mean China is good. Its just basic History 101, Great Powers are naturally going to abuse their power. It has nothing to do with race or even the individual history of the countries its just a geopolitical fact. So while I think a lot of the stuff we read about the Uighurs and other stuff is exaggerated I think a lot of it is real.

    While I respect Mr. Unz for his ability to go against the crowd even if that crowd are his most ardent supporters I just can’t shake the fact that Mr. Unz seems unequivocally pro-China. Unz dot com for all its diverse viewpoints doesn’t have a single China critic. Unz prominently features Larry Romanoff who seems like a white pro-China troll if anything else. I just don’t find Unz objective enough to believe his analysis.

    The idea that the US deep state launched this virus and it hilariously boomranged on them seems like the wet dream of many anti-Americans. I think anti-Americans have a lot of good reasons for why they are anti-American but like all hate circle jerks it becomes trapped in its fever dreams. The US military released Covid on poor innocent China to hurt their economy because we are in a so called cold war with China (while many leading American elites and institutions DEFEND China for monetary reasons) seems 1000 times more insane than the Israel did 9/11 so they could get the US to launch wars in the Middle East theory. Mainly it seems to deny basic human nature that these people no matter how high on their own power and sense of invincibility they may be would take a MASSIVE GAMBLE like that. Also Unz seems to exist in another reality where most of the American elites are anti-China. There’s plenty of China hawks but there’s also a lot of China collaborators.

    Finally I feel whenever there’s a type of wish fulfillment at work whenever large groups of people on the internet try to “crack” these mysteries. If your greatest fear is that you don’t want to be seen as a rightwing crackpot you’re going to believe that it was a bat in a wet market that caused COVID or whatever CNN tells you. If you hate China you’re going to believe the Wet Market theory or the Chinese incompetence lead to the virus being leaked from a lab theory. If you hate America (which now includes many right wingers) you’re obviously going to gravitate towards the American deep state leaked it in China theory. I would just like to hear analysis from someone I can trust to be objective and only desire for the truth and nothing else. Mr. Unz has not shown me he is that person.

  359. Yee says:

    Whataboutery2020,

    “I particularly love how Wuhan, …… – is miraculously transformed into “the major transport hub” which the Chinese somehow swiftly managed to shut down (but only for domestic travel).”

    Wuhan has always been the transport center of China due to geographical location. It’s easy to shut down travel because you only need to stop passengers getting on and off trains/planes at Wuhan, the trains/planes still run as scheduled, they still go to Wuhan, just nobody gets on and off.

    International flights were not stopped because China can hardly stop foreigners leaving the country. If I remember correctly, various foreign governments put on great shows evacuating their citizens, big smiles on faces, national flags waving, etc.

  360. The US authorities know that if a natural origin for COVID is not discovered within a couple of years, a laboratory origin will be presumed. They also know that the Chinese will forcefully deny that the lab of origin was in Wuhan. Therefore any stories of a deliberate US biowarfare attack are a gift to the CCP; and the US authorities have a motive to suppress such stories, even if they know they are completely unfounded.

    The Iranian infections might be interpreted as the goal of a hypothetical US attack; or they might be a coincidence. The World Military Games are an irrelevance, because it would have been easier and much less obvious for a lone agent posing as a commercial traveler to spread the virus. The DIA early warning was explained by a commenter on an earlier article: the problems in Wuhan were probably clear for anyone in the city to see, including the US consulate; but the local CCP hesitated to send the bad news to Beijing.

    There was no biowarfare attack but, regrettably, the USA does share culpability with the Chinese.

    We know (e.g. see Nicholas Wade’s article) that gain-of-function experiments on COVID were carried out at Wuhan, funded by the USA, approved by Anthony Fauci who used a loophole to override a US ban on such work, and managed by Peter Daszak. Daszak went on to commit perjury when he declared no competing interests in his authorship of the letter to the Lancet. Wade also points out that for reasons of convenience the work was performed at the inappropriately low safety level of BSL-2, not BSL-4.

    Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak have overdosed on hubris, but they are not fools. They know perfectly well the implications of the above. They cannot be certain where COVID came from, but they know that they share responsibility for a situation in Wuhan that was capable of creating COVID in the laboratory and then accidentally leaking it.

    Wade also makes clear that any virologist who publicly opposes the “natural origin” theory will be committing professional suicide. His research grants would stop getting approved, and without research funding he would eventually lose his job.

    On top of that, if you were a research virologist, what kind of work would you prefer to do? Use the latest genetic engineering techniques to create and study deadly pathogens previously unknown to science? Or search for some detail of the Tobacco Mosaic Virus that has been overlooked by earlier researchers?

    These are the powerful reasons why professional virologists have closed ranks and promoted the “natural origin” theory of COVID. It is why the bad news must be broken not by a virologist, but by a science journalist, and published in a journal founded by scientists of a different discipline altogether: The Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists.

    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

    (which has the same content as the medium article)

  361. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    So you don’t agree with the Wade hypothesis?
    The virus came from the USA?
    And was carried to China?
    After the bat virus had been brought from China to Fort Detrick?
    So, Dr. Bat Woman had nothing to do with creating the virus, despite her publications about her work?…Unz seems to be going out on a limb and create a few hoops to jump through in order to sideline the point of Wade’s work.

    I’ve tried to make my views very clear and explicit in all my articles, including this latest one:

    Having now twice read Wade’s long article, I can say that I find nearly all of his scientific arguments quite compelling, and I have almost no points of significant disagreement. Yet my overall conclusions are entirely different from his…Although Wade is absolutely correct in stating that “there are two main theories” about the origins of Covid-19, this duality has been enforced by political pressures…

    And if these were the only two possible theories, all arguments against the one would necessarily support the other. But this framework is upended once we recognize that there is a third logical possibility, far more vilified and excluded than that of the “lab-leak hypothesis” but also far more plausible and supported by much stronger evidence.

    Wade makes a very strong and compelling case against the virus being natural. But he provides almost no evidence supporting the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis. Sure, Wuhan’s “Bat Lady” was working on bat viruses. But all of her American colleagues were also working on bat viruses. Bat Lady published articles about genetic work on bat viruses, but enormous numbers of other American researchers have also published articles about genetic work on bat viruses. As Whitney Webb’s important article from Jan. 2020 discussed, bat viruses are among the most common subjects of all viral research, especially bioweapon research:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    There’s essentially ZERO evidence that Covid-19 was developed in the Wuhan lab, and ZERO evidence that there was a lab-leak. Indeed, as I emphasized in my article, the remarkable timing of the initial outbreak is *extremely* suspicious, while an accidental lab-leak would obviously be entirely random.

    Maybe Ft. Detrick developed the virus from an precursor they had originally gotten from Wuhan. Who knows? Maybe they got it elsewhere. Maybe it wasn’t Ft. Detrick. All of this is pure speculation, far beyond any of the available evidence.

    The key point is that since Baker and Wade have only considered the natural and lab-leak scenarios, all their evidence against the natural case automatically supports the lab-leak alternative. But my whole point is that there’s a third possibility much more likely than either of them.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  362. Ruckus says:
    @Just another serf

    There’s a reason why women are often referred to as “chicks.”

  363. Ron Unz says:
    @Refl

    You are right, that there still is a tremendous amount of information on the corona lie to get on this site…I am absolutely sober about this, and I lose my patience when I see people with the intelligence of Mr. Unz sticking to the false narrative.

    Actually, I’m getting fed up by all the crazy Flu Hoaxers clogging up this comment thread with totally unrelated nonsense, and I think I’ll make arrangements to start having their comments trashed.

    Once enough of their long, very detailed comments have trashed, maybe they’re give up and go somewhere else. If I’m really lucky, maybe they’re get so angry they’ll permanently abandon this website. I’m sure there must be some Flu Hoaxer websites around where they’d be much happier.

  364. @stanloona

    That was probably the best comment I’ve read on here so far, Stan. However, I take issue with your last paragraph. I am not someone who hates China and the Chinese people though I agree completely with your 3rd paragraph. I don’t think you have to hate China though, to believe the this virus likely came out of the Wuhan lab by accident.

    Besides Occam’s razor and all that, I know China, having been there an infinite times more than Mr. Unz (11 times) and Chinese people. It’s simple. Quality is not Job 1. They take shortcuts, and there is corruption at every level of society. The tradeoff is more speed and productivity for lower quality. I’ve seen it.

    The other Chinese characteristic that would apply here is that, after this virus had gotten out of the lab and infected people, it’s not like anyone was just going to up and come clean. Forget it, Stan. It’s ChinaCountry.

  365. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank-you for the reply. Such plot that you describe (featuring Neocons Mike Pompeo and/or John Bolton, or not + probable other Neocons) …. what would the motivation be, for said group, to subvert Amercian geopolitics, by way of the provision of tension around bioweaponization suspicions (or perhaps even by way of an ill-executed attempt at actually using a bioweapon against the Chinese people, to hurt their economy, as you hypothesize) with America’s largest rival?

    If your answer is – ‘a lame and unauthorized attempt at delaying China’s inevitable erosion of American hegemony’, then my next question would be – whose interest (which cohorts) does this American hegemony serve? Like why would said Neocon plotters want to risk their necks … what is the incentive? Such incentive must be rich indeed. Who provides said incentive?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  366. denk says:
    @Ron Unz

    RU

    some rogue elements

    .
    Leonard G. Horowitz,

    [MORE]

    Who is behind this COVID madness? I accept the risk of triggering your “conspiracy theory” buttons by identifying the widely recognized “global military-medical-petrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel” as the only suspect that can wield the powers necessary to effect these frightening outcomes

    In the days preceding the emergence of the first COVID cases, American raced to the Pacific Rim to impact escalating aggressions on SCS, TW. Communist China-a “most favored” trading partner with America, is politically allied with several American enemies, including those said to possess weapons of mass destruction, including Iran. Coincidental? Not likely when viewing the larger political picture involving the Ango-American oligarchy’s RMA and instigated “conflicts short of war.”

    Ultimately, “We the People” have become the greatest victims of this latest fright, and the larger political agendas it serves.

    Respiratory Syndrome stretching from Asia to North America has all the earmarks of a novel social experiment in population manipulation aimed to culture the mass mind for the arrival of “the Big One“-a biological agent that will facilitate decimation of approximately a third to half of the world’s population, in keeping with current official population reduction objectives.

    The BIG ONE !
    Is this it ?

    http://whale.to/a/sars2.htm

    RU

    If you tried to write in English instead of ranting like a lunatic with bizarre and mysterious jargon, your comments might have more value

    gof = gain of function,
    fukus = fuck uk, us.
    [I’d expect everybody knows it by now.]

    lunatic

    I counted hundreds in this thread alone.

    hehehehhe

  367. @Anastasia

    You indeed have me stumped Anastasia AND we American people deserve MUCH better—this entire gong show in DC is nauseating.

  368. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Unz, have you read Josh Rogin’s book Chaos under Heaven? Yes, the author is a neocon to some degree. From what you wrote above, I figure you may have read it – the characters you mention and their ideas about China are in this book.

    Isn’t he that WaPo lab-leak Neocon? I’ve never heard of his book, but why in the world would I want to read that sort of garbage?

    I’ve been following China for over forty years, and for over forty years all my predictions have turned out to be correct.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-long-decline-of-the-london-economist/

    Meanwhile, all the Neocons I know are total idiots, who’ve always been wrong about everything and most of them should have been hanged for treason years ago. So why should I read something by someone who should probably be dangling from a noose.

    As for you, I think you occasionally brag about knowing a great deal about China, but I can’t think of one intelligent thing you’ve ever said in that topic.

    • Agree: denk
    • LOL: Dumbo
  369. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    Someone once told me it is not a nation, but rather a ‘business’. . .

    The business of America is business – always has been, always will be – everything else is a fairy tale.

    • Replies: @Biff
  370. @Sparkylyle92

    The true Fourth Possibility is Israel. China, their great enemy because the Chinese refuse to treat the ‘Gods Upon the Earth’ as anything but fellow human beings, then Iran. QED.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  371. @The Soft Parade

    Blame China with lying filth even more insane than the ‘Xinjiang genocide’ garbage, then either demand trillions in ‘compensation’ from China, or use it as a casus belli. The Murdoch cancer and its necrotic metastases are pushing the deliberate leak insanity with increasing racist fervour. It will soon graduate to the polite fakestrream media, them become an ‘established fact’ like ‘Saddam’s WMD’ and a thousand other Imperial Lies.

  372. A Jew spinning more lies about a fake flu hoax and calling it truth.

    • Agree: Publius 2
  373. @Just another serf

    Imbecile comment. Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is rapidly worsening, and no amount of psychopathic Rightwing denialism will make it go away. But by God I wish the denialist enemies of Life on Earth would.

  374. @Ace

    Perhaps Gandhi was right all along.

    When a reporter asked him what he thought of Western civilization, he famously replied: “I think it would be a good idea.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Ace
  375. @Trinity

    You have a better chance of being killed by a Great White than (((covid-19.)))

    In the United States, even considering only people who go to beaches, a person’s chance of getting attacked by a shark is 1 in 11.5 million, and a person’s chance of getting killed by a shark is less than 1 in 264.1 million. (wikipedia)

    So far the risks of dying of Covid-19 in the US are about 1 in 558. I wonder where you pull out your statistics.

  376. @Nancy O'Brien Simpson

    very emotional comment Madame. How is it that the covid thing would be so dangerous in the US of A and would have “killed”so few people in France for instance… This year, there has been only 75 flu victims instead of 15-18000… Maybe the covid thing became the bully of the year among the mob viruses realm and told the others (hundreds of them) to accept the new boss in town…

    What about the great reset, what about this?…https://www.clubofrome.org/publication/a-system-change-compass-implementing-the-european-green-deal-in-a-time-of-recovery/

    Have a good day

  377. @Cranberries

    Bingo. What did the fallout from 9/11 have in common with the fallout from covid19? Answer; the ptb used both to create massive public fear as a pretext to usurp our freedoms in the name of “public safety”. The lefties called out the patriot act and rightfully so. Conservatives are now the only ones pushing back against dracoconian measures now. The ptb has polarized us to insure atleast half the country will support anything they do to take our rights away if for no other reason but to spite the “other side”.

  378. Those among you who speak French, might be interested in another work on the origins of the covid thing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wul4z8pmzU

    Brice Perrier is a journalist

  379. @utu

    But you see the alt-righters are so obsessed with the truth; they are the ultimate truth seekers. They would consider it unethical to use lies to further their cause. Ha, ha, ha.

  380. @Alfred

    Thank you for this very relevant comment. French interest have also played a role in all of this… Check for Buzyn, her husband Levy and the first “conseil scientifique” which, according to Prof Raoult was mainly political. And who built the P4 Wuhan Lab?

    https://www.franceculture.fr/sciences/le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-une-histoire-francaise

    We should also have a look at the Winnipeg University links with Wuhan… What was Charles Lieber really doing in Wuhan, was he working as the specialist of nano-tech? On what project?

    • Agree: Alfred
  381. @Ron Unz

    Mike Pompeo and John Bolton would be the most prominent among the “Deep State Neocons” I’m describing, and the leading candidates in the Trump Administration for having organized the plot. Whether or not they were personally involved I can’t say, but there were lots of others in their immediate circle who fall into the same category.

    If they carried out this plot, involving many others in the biowarfare labs, and others, presumably in the US military, to spread the virus to China, could they have kept it secret from others in the security services and the deep state? Once this backfired on the US, wouldn’t have those others in the security services and the deep state have liquidated all those involved instead of allowing them to carry on living and prospering? I know the US is not the old Soviet Union, where any such would have been eliminated with extreme prejudice, and they allowed in the past those who conspired against America to live, like those involved in the attack on USS Liberty and the cover up, the attack on 911 and the cover up, but this is too big, having killed nearly a million Americans so far, including many relatives and loved ones of those in the secret agencies and the deep state who are presumably in the know, to just let it slide. Even if they planned this as some attack on China and Iran that they though could be contained, surely the culprits would not have been left unpunished once it boomeranged back on the US.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @lysias
  382. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    G7 jackasses had their big meeting and India was a guest –not a single word —about Covid and how to help—-all these useless idiots talked about was Russian interference and China rising. China has heled india more than either Canada or UK and as for the Chinese releasing Covid —Mother Nature plays tendem—why then was there Covid in Barcelona Spain March 2019 and Milan September 2019 and France November 2019? Now lets talk about Greta Thundberg and how cow flattulence is warming the world –it will be a no GO in India and again –that damned Mom Nature with her tectonic sons under the Poles and deep in ocean troughs –opening and closing those gates of supreme heat in core of —-this planet….. eyes wide open….

  383. @stanloona

    I agree with 2 caveats. (1) I agree with Achmed E. Newman that you don’t have to hate China to believe in the lab leak hypothesis. (2) It may be that Unz is anti-war instead of pro-China. It looks a lot like pro-China, and there are other “conservative personalities” on the Internet who are pro-China like “Spandrell”. It’s disturbing, but it may be anti-war instead.

    The thing that’s really disturbing is that if Unz is actually anti-American on this topic, what does it say about his pro-Hispanic-immigration position? What does it say about the purpose of this website?

  384. Dumbo says:

    I now agree that it was probably created in a lab, because it’s a weird disease with weird symptoms that doesn’t match a regular flu. They were working with bats at Wuhan, so it’s a very likely possibility.

    That said, I don’t buy the “bioweapon” theory. It’s just a classic example of “create the problem, sell the solution”. Many powerful wanted for a while a pandemic to push those mRNA vaccines, cashless society, mandatory tracking of people’s health data, etc. This, real or artificial, was a gift to them. I’m betting on artificial.

    Now the EU is creating “vaccine passports” that accept only Western vaccines, but not the Chinese CoronaVac nor the Russian Sputnik. Why? It’s quite clear at this point that the issue is not about health or safety, but merely about money and control.

  385. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s not the flu, it’s pneumonia.

    It’s not a bioweapon in the classic sense – the objective s not to kill people in a specific country (it’s global!), and, while being a very bad nuisance, and actually affecting the health of many people, it doesn’t work as a bioweapon and doesn’t massively kill people in one specific spot, but it’s very spread out, with a relatively low mortality rate. Even the CIA is not that incompetent, I think.

    But, it’s great for selling billions of vaccines, as well as promoting a lot of changes in society that a lot of powerful people already wanted anyway.

    Cui bono?

  386. Garliv says:
    @Wade

    ……it’s obvious this announcement was the intended followup and response to Event 201 and the the WEF was fully aware of the impending catastrophe before US intelligence agencies were (unless of course the WEF works in tandem with US intelligence agencies).

    The more i think about it the more i tend to side with your theory. And your theory does supplement Unz’s theory for I cannot think of a scenario where WEF billionaires would undertake such an operation without knowledge and even assistance of intelligence agencies in the US. It is of course well known that billionaires such as Soros do work with CIA for their regime change tactics and also using billionaires’ NGOs to gather intelligence and stroke discord wherever they want. Thus its a most compelling rationale that that the WEF billionaires and intelligence community are all behind Covid-19 and the ongoing Great Reset and have been working together. That’s the most rational argument so far.

  387. Sarah says:
    @Tor597

    3) America has an extensive history of germ warfare use

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/09/new-revelations-on-germ-warfare-its-time-for-a-reckoning-with-our-history-from-the-korean-war/

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-concealed-war-crime-u-s-anthrax-bombings-of-china-during-the-korean-war-14782ceb40a9

    Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!
    Revelation for me!

    A few months ago, I learnt also some information about the so-called “spanish-flu” from 1917. I wrote “so-called” because only Spanish medias spoke about this disease ; such information was censored in other European countries, at war in 1917.
    I learnt also that the first known case of this flu was detected in USA… 😏😏😏

  388. @Ron Unz

    There’s essentially ZERO evidence that Covid-19 was developed in the Wuhan lab, and ZERO evidence that there was a lab-leak.

    That’s true, except that the Chinese have not been very transparent about WIV. If their records all pointed against problems at the lab, they would let the WHO team (which seems pretty pro-Chinese anyway) look at everything in order to clear their names and point the finger at the US.

    Also, if it’s true that COVID came from US intelligence, the absence of evidence of a lab leak is actually strange. If it were a set-up, you would expect some planted evidence. I note that your theory involves rogue elements in the intelligence community. This is, of course, not demanded by the evidence, but it is demanded by the odd lack of evidence. A few conspirators without enough resources could explain why no evidence of a lab leak was made up or planted, but the full financial resources of the CIA and other agencies and with all their black arts at their disposal does not explain such a big lacuna in a plan.

    Indeed, as I emphasized in my article, the remarkable timing of the initial outbreak is *extremely* suspicious

    Unz, you are a Big Brain math guy, and I am not. Can you explain how remarkable the timing is? Chinese New Year comes around every 12 months. And since you suggest possible drone attacks or other things for the Iranian outbreak and for previous agriculture viral outbreaks in China, the World Military Games is really not a necessity for your theory. Just why is the timing *extremely* suspicious, rather than a little unusual or just maybe chance?

    while an accidental lab-leak would obviously be entirely random

    That is, of course, not true. There are lots of things that could possibly make a lab-leak non-random. I have worked in health care before, and I (or anyone who has worked before in an environment that requires constant vigilance to prevent mistakes) can tell you that there are many factors that contribute to mistakes. Excessive drinking, anxiety about seeing relatives, excitement to get home–these are things that might be affecting people’s performance in a run-up to a holiday. And that is a very small set of examples.

    Maybe Ft. Detrick developed the virus from an precursor they had originally gotten from Wuhan. Who knows? Maybe they got it elsewhere. Maybe it wasn’t Ft. Detrick. All of this is pure speculation, far beyond any of the available evidence.

    Indeed. As I pointed out in a comment above, a theory that is just as supported as yours is that the Chinese were developing a bioweapon in preparation for creating chaos during the US presidential election, but that US intelligence got wind of it and orchestrated a lab leak (rather than introducing it themselves) in order to prevent an attack. At least this theory has the benefit of being supported by “evidence” that the Chinese had long-term plans to disrupt the US health care system with a Coronavirus

    The key point is that since Baker and Wade have only considered the natural and lab-leak scenarios, all their evidence against the natural case automatically supports the lab-leak alternative. But my whole point is that there’s a third possibility much more likely than either of them.

    First, it’s not true that Wade only presents evidence against a natural source. For example, he discusses the various levels of safety precautions used at WIV. This is not evidence like a document saying there was some accident at WIV but it is suggestively circumstantial.

    Second, I don’t think your theory is “much more likely” than the lab leak hypothesis. Besides the laughably “suspicious” timing of the “Military World Games attack” apparently happening 3 months (!) before Chinese New Year (27 Octo 2019 to 25 Jan 2020), your theory seems to be supported by only two other legs–the purported DIA warning and the Iranian outbreak.

    Recently, you, Unz, have been doing God’s work promoting Glenn Greenwald’s essays in your news links. One of Greenwald’s main themes is that journalists these days are just gossip-mongers who repeat anything salacious that is likely to get clicks. So, I don’t understand why you promote Greenwald’s writing but, when it comes to this DIA warning, place so much faith anonymously-sourced articles that provide no evidence. For the last four years–indeed, this trend was apparently heightened during the Trump administration–journalists seem to have been happy to put into print any old thing they were told by an “anonymous source”. I, for one, would not build a theory of geopolitical wrangling based around some rag’s unsourced claims.

    But, but! Let’s assume the DIA warning to NATO and Israel was real. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that the US intelligence community knew about a spreading pandemic in Wuhan before the CCP? I don’t think so at all, for two reasons. First, the CCP is institutionally constituted to reject bad news. Anyone who doubts this just has to look to the example of the original whistle-blower eye doctor who tried to warn the government about the pandemic and was shut down by party operatives. Second, it is very possible that WIV personnel may have tried to hide a lab leak from the authorities for reasons of self-protection but on the other hand not have tried to hide a lab leak from any US intelligence sources for the simple reason of not knowing they were compromised by US intelligence. In fact, when you consider the potential importance of the WIV to war scenarios and the involvement of the US in the WIV, it would be remarkable if US intelligence hadn’t tried to infilltrate the WIV in order to know about things like lab leaks. So, even if the DIA had warned allies about a pandemic back in October or November, I don’t think this is in any way a “smoking gun.”

    As for the Iranian outbreak, you, Unz, yourself have pointed to reasons to disbelieve through your comments in the above article on “the whole truth”. That is, your articles that reference the Iranian outbreak speak of it as a suspicious coincidence, but they demonstrate no attempt by you to disprove the suspicion. In other words, you appear to be telling the truth, but perhaps not the whole truth…

    I am not an expert on the course of the COVID outbreak, but I did spend a few minutes during my lunch break today Googling the COVID outbreak in Iran. And, lo and behold, the suspiciousness of the Iranian outbreak’s timing, victims, and circumstances looks much less than after I initially read your articles. I will post below just a few select articles to let readers judge for themselves (while noting that this is not by a long measure the totality of the articles), but point out first just a few dates…

    22 Feb 2020 – first death in Italy
    30 Jan 2020 – first case in India

    3 Feb 2020 – Diamond Princess quarantined in Japan
    20 Jan 2020 – first case in South Korea

    19 Feb 2020 – first case in Iran
    21 Feb 2020 – first case in Israel

    25 Jan 2020 – first case in Australia
    31 Jan 2020 – declared “public health emergency” in USA
    31 Jan 2020 – first confirmed case in UK
    27 Jan 2020 – first case in Canada

    As you can see from the above dates, your theory that “early” outbreaks in Asian countries around China were normal but that “early” outbreaks in Iran were abnormal is wrong. Outbreaks occurred around the world at the same time, including in Israel and the USA’s “five eyes” allies and NATO countries.

    It’s obvious why this was the case in many places since Wuhan was a hub of international as well as domestic Chinese business and travel, but why was it the case in Iran? Well, here I leave readers to search and think for themselves…

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran-qom-idUSKBN21K1NO
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/middleeast/iran-suleimani-zarif.html
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-iran-became-a-new-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak
    https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284051

    Suspicious timing, DIA reports, and Iranian exceptionalism–this all rather points to this website’s weird obsessions with Middle East politics and China apologetics than to solid evidence of US intelligence operations.

  389. Sarah says:
    @Theophrastus

    Furthermore, it appears that it is in fact the spike protein on sars-cov-2 which causes illness. Here is just one such source; there are many more.

    https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

    It is thus not surprising that it is this protein that is coded-for in all four of the Western gene therapies, disguised as vaccines.

    I know medicine professors who are guessing that the real cause of this disease wouldn’t the virus itself but this spike protein ; yet the US so-called “vaccines” based on mRNA spread continuously new spike proteins for the rest of the life ; they aren’t deleted by the new created antbodies after the shot contrarily to classical vaccines.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  390. quark says:
    @skrik

    It was in The Australian, Murdoch newspaper. You can read about the Chinese rebuttal dated 09 May in the Global Times. It is a book that you can buy in Chinese bookstores, even on Amazon. There is nothing confidential about it, and it is not about attacking the Americans.

    • Replies: @skrik
  391. Kali [AKA "Unpersoned by fb"] says:

    Perhapse an essay porporting to tell “the whole truth” about the origins of covid 19, ought to include an analysis of the methods used to isolate and identify the virus said to be the cause of that disease?
    Absent such a crucial aspect of the origins of “covid 19”, the WHOLE truth cannot possibly be ascertained!

    And whilst bio-warfare against China and Iran seem very plausible explainations of the maladies which struck those countries (particularly Iran), ensuing reports of a global viral pandemic, absent any actual isolated virus, or any reliable test for that virus, must be treated as unproven.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/10-reasons-sars-cov-2-imaginary-theoretical-virus/5735833

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    Further, the obvious social, political and economic ramifications impacting “western” nations falling into Lock Step with the globalist WHO, whilst also providing legislative support fot the globalist WEF ambitions to “reset” the world socially, politically and economically, must bring the entire “covid 19” (without which there could be no reset) narrative into question.

    It sadens me that the otherwise inestimable Ron Unz chooses to turn a blind eye to so many crucial aspects of the pandemic narrative in favour of a myopic focus on bio-warfare.
    The entire western world is being systematically remade to suit the globalist ambitions of an unimaginably wealthy and powerful elite based on this narrative, the “whole truth” of which must surely include a study of the alleged virus itself. A study which reveals that the virus has never been isolated or proven to exits! A fact which in no way deminishes the hypothosis of bio-warfare attacs on target countries, but which does bring into question the subsequent “event21” style “pandemic” response.

    Ron’s copious use of the”more” tag throughout this comment section, to delegitimise comments which highlight many of the perfectly legitimate questions that need to be explored seems incredibly high-handed and even egotistical. I can’t imagine why the author of so many excellent essays exploring so many controversial topics would shy away from the controversies repleat withing the covid 19 narrative.

    What gives Ron?- Seriously, and with all due respect.

    • Agree: Publius 2
  392. @RTM

    Think it through. The not-nonsensical argument that the CCP doesn’t want to generate a public clamour to hit the US with bio weapons doesn’t extend to not embarrassing the US with planted stories in and from scores of countries which it could easily do, and, notably, do without allowing the story uncontrolled ability to stir up the Chinese public. How about, for example, some swipes at Americans as the hypocritical enemies of free speech who cut off Ron Unz’s webzine from Google and Facebook because he tells the truth. And this appears as the work of a Polish intellectual or Jew living in Italy? And gets repeated and retweeted 100,00 times – in fact Nigerian and other blatant scammers are hooked in for what they ove most:money.

    • Replies: @RTM
  393. @Desert Fox

    And the lead globalist, the one pushing The Great Reset, is Lex Luthor or an evil Bond villain offering salvation while blackmailing the world with the threat of universal destruction. Were the Devil to come to Earth and if he wanted to be truly effective, he would disguise himself as Jesus Christ, head of the world’s largest charitable foundation.

  394. Why Wuhan? Straw man. What of those USA labs tha were used for the gain of function research tha led to the infamous 2015 paper in nature?

    When did Wuhan progress from bsl3 to bsl4? Ditto all the US labs. What do the records of pneumonia like presentations at hospitals etc in surrounds of those labs reveal?

    Vaping disease? What do retrospective coronavirust test reveal?

    The six+ infected USA military games people who went to Wuhan hospital for support for their dreadful coughing – what is their status, what do retrospectivecovid test / analysis / antibodies reveal.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  395. Skeptikal says:
    @bayviking

    ” to preserve “plausible deniability”. ”

    A big red flag in the Paul Schreyer video that I linked somewhere upthread is the appearance of discussion of the need for “plausible deniability” early on in the series of pandemic simulations that Schreyer so ably dissects.

    Red flag flagging what?
    The obvious inference is that the simulations were not directed toward protecting civilian populations from sickness and possible death and other social ills, but were directed toward another goal: using a pandemic to impose otherwise unacceptable restrictions on basic rights and to manipulate and neutralize public opinion and quash any who questioned the new scenarios by denying them the evidence needed to develop and communicate a convincing explanation regarding the new legal and behavioral regime. By supply a “facade” explanation of the causes of events.

  396. @Ron Unz

    I was simply asking if you’ve read the book. The gist of it is how the Trump administration, with its neocons and with Trump’s wishy-washy bumbling, have dealt with China. Beside the halfway-neocon slant, it’s just factual on what’s been going on at diplomatic level.

    I understand you’re a Sinophile, and there is a lot to admire about the place. However, you don’t get the real picture out of books alone. That comes from learning directly from Chinese people and seeing things there with your own eyes. Mr. Stanloona above has probably the best take on the politics, without giving any chosen theory on the Covid origins. He leaves out the pure speculation.

    Granted, it wasn’t supposed to be the topic of this thread, but your calling anyone who has not been as hysterical as you about the COVID-one-niner a “hoaxer” is juvenile and shows the same story. You just don’t get out much.

    Perhaps your problem is that you can’t have an intelligent discussion with anyone who disagrees with you.

  397. Clyde says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    nsa is a very entertaining and humorous poster here. U can check out his past posts.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  398. @Ron Unz

    Isn’t he that WaPo lab-leak Neocon?

    BTW, I had no idea on this. I have not finished the book (about 25 pages left), but that’s not the subject of the book in question.

  399. @As I see it

    The only reason Gandhi was alive to write that was he was dealing with Western civilization, not Eastern, nor the 2nd World. What a turd.

    • Replies: @Ace
  400. Skeptikal says:
    @Clyde

    It is interesting that for the Chinese the primary sign that the emperor had lost the Mandate of Heaven was flooding.

    Controlling the flow of potentially destructive rivers was a major responsibility for anyone who would govern all of China. A quick look at a map shows why:
    https://www.chinadiscovery.com/china-maps/rivers-map.html
    Basically, a huge portion of the water that flows out of the Himalayas hits China. China has always needed this water to be channeled for agriculture etc. , but: Hold the flooding!

    The breakdown of the systems for controlling flooding was like a fever temperature in a person, indicating sickness in the ruling bodies so that they lost their mandate—their authority—to require obedience to them. They lost the respect and faith of the people.

    (In the Netherlands, similarly dependent on effective control of water, the entity responsible for the whole system is like a government within the government, called the Rijkswaterstaat.)

    Managing rivers and preventing flooding was the top requirement for a claim to be the ruler of all of China.

    It would be interesting to see some solid data on the actual contribution to Chinese development made by the Three Gorges dam.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  401. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    Meanwhile, all the Neocons I know are total idiots, who’ve always been wrong about everything and most of them should have been hanged for treason years ago.

    Wasn’t Bill Cristol a personal friend of yours at one point? Sad!

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  402. Well Ron, while it is obvious that many here do not buy into your theory of Covid’s origin and spread, nevertheless, you have succeeded in the larger goal of having provided the best discussion on the internet pertaining to these issues. There are many worthy comments here. Congrats.

    • Thanks: Bugey libre
  403. @Chrisnonymous

    Thank you. That is outstanding in its thoroughness and cogency. I think your paragraph dealing with the apparent forewarning of Israel (and NATO) may be a most important contribution to making Ron see where he slipped off the rails into unwarranted certainty about that premise from which so much of his case flowed. Originally I hypothesised that the small specialist intelligence unit picked up stories about sick military athletes and then used social media and other inexpensive sources to find out more. Then it dawned on me that it would be almost unthinkable for US intelligence not to have reliable sources in the WIV, old colleagues of American friends, people trained in America, people for whom conscience and a desire for money were in happy agreement, etc And that well explains why the reports would be denied. Why confirm the Chinese immediate suspicion that not everyone at WIV was a devotee of the CCP? As to the Americans knowing before the Chinese government in Beijing I don’t need to repeat the obvious – best illustrated by the disciplining of the honest whistle-blower who died.

    I also think a handwaving reference to Pompeo being a likely choice for idiotic villain because he had been head of the CIA is ludicrous. If you need to theorise that very senior neocons were involved you don’t choose someone who would not have been in the CIA job long enough to remove all the natural wariness of the outsider thrust upon the professionals and who, very likely, was just confirming their distaste for him.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  404. @follyofwar

    And where did the notion for a Great Reset even come from?

    Normal human response to a plague or natural catastrophe is to want to get back to normal as quickly as possible, is it not?

  405. @meamjojo

    Regarding that piece in The Australian, maybe this will be of interest:

    The Chinese book at the bottom of Sars bioweapons claims that emerged amid coronavirus pandemic
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3132949/chinese-book-bottom-sars-bioweapons-claims

  406. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Actually, I’m getting fed up by all the crazy Flu Hoaxers clogging up this comment thread with totally unrelated nonsense, and I think I’ll make arrangements to start having their comments trashed.”

    Fair enough, it ‘s your site.

    But it would be useful if you would define the ideas that you consider to be “flu hoaxes” promulgated by “crazy flu hoaxers.”

    Please do let commenters know which ideas and hypotheses are now verboten on this site.

    • Replies: @Bugey libre
  407. FB says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    I raise some chickens, treat them well. They are very easy to frighten though. Exactly like most human populations,

    They are now unleashing chaotic crime…

    Why would your chickens be unleashing chaotic crime? I’ve raised chickens also and they are generally law-abiding. 🤔

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  408. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    More frantic cognitive infiltration from CIA junior spy cadet Chrisnonymous 392, all basically shit-eating pilpul. That works fine with helpless brainwashed jerkoffs in shul or facebook. It doesn’t work in a climate of UNTOC international legal assistance among competent independent judiciaries. Tell it to the criminal tribunal at Khararovsk. Cause CIA is gonna lose this war. Bout time, too.

  409. RTM says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks for the insight. I had not considered that possibility. Will need to re-think…

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  410. Ulysse says:

    Hunz’s argument finds its relevance in the war game “exercises” that all strategy professors teach in military schools. So there is no reason to think that Chinese strategists have not been considering it for a long time, even before the epidemic spread to Wuhan. After all, they are the best heirs of Sun Tzu. In the Art of War, we find this: “never reveal the reasons for your actions”! Indeed, how quickly the Chinese state instituted a complete shutdown of its economy and confined 700,000 people; at the same time building a hospital complex with thousands of beds in a few days. This corroborates, as Hunz rightly points out, the previous epidemics of avian flu, then swine flu, which no strategist should neglect in the calculations of the “worst to come”…

  411. Realist says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Unz, you are a Big Brain math guy, and I am not.

    Yes, he has a purported IQ of 214

  412. @Brás Cubas

    But the surname Daszak is Polish.

  413. Clyde says:
    @Skeptikal

    Thanks for your most informative post! I had forgotten how flooding was what brought down Chinese dynasties. Three Gorges–Some of the construction was done by workers hauling out dirt with hand carts aka wheelbarrows— PHOTO
    https://www.alamy.com/a-worker-push-a-cart-at-the-construction-site-of-three-gorges-dam-image68764883.html

    Ever read “Farmers of Forty Centuries”?

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22Farmers+of+Forty+Centuries%22%3F&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
    Briefly, Farmers of Forty Centuries describes the voyage agronomist and former US Department of Agriculture official Franklin Hiram King made to to China, Korea and Japan in the early 1900s.

    Don’t be deterred by the word Organic you will see in the above search. Much of the book from 1904 or so, has to do with the extensive system of canals to channel water to Chinese farmers. And done same way for centuries. So China is not a desert in its fertile regions, but to get the most crops out of the land they still directed water to their farmers. They did not just rely on rainfall. Thus a larger population could be supported.

    And in 1904 the author was able to see how this had been done the same in 1904, as it had been done for 40 centuries.

  414. dimples says:

    If it hasn’t already been the subject of a comment, it seems to me that there is a logical flaw in Mr Unz’s theory that the military games were deliberately used to infect China.

    The military games had participants from all over the world. Since the US participants came about 30th there are at least that many countries participating. Since the plotters’ idea is to infect the participants of the games, not only would the Chinese participants be infected, but participants from all the other countries as well. Thus we would expect to see Covid to break out at roughly the same time all over the world, carried by the military games participants back to their home countries. Since it only broke out in China first, then logically therefore the military games could not be the starting point.

    Additionally, Chinese contact tracers would eventually track patient zero to the military games, if it were the case that the infection started there. Since it would be a great propaganda victory for the CCP to show that patient zero(s) were American sports participants, I cannot see the CCP trying to prevent the contact tracers’ efforts or trying to cover them up in this respect.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @anonym25
    , @Anonymous
  415. Bann says:
    @Malla

    What happened to Covid-19 cure by drinking cow urine as pushed and promoted by the Prime Minister of India Modi. All that millions wasted on cow urine research. I saw people drinking cow urine like a beverage.

    And now another extreme is to take bath with cow dung to get rid of Covid19. Which planet Indians are living?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/worldview-3-pakistani-soldiers-killed-142222305.html

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  416. @Dumbo

    It’s not the flu, it’s pneumonia

    Flu is a virus, while also being a layman’s term for a syndrome. Which is what pneumonia is, it can be caused by bacteria, viruses, and physical agents. I bring this up because a great deal of the damage COVID-19 can cause is vascular and can be in many places in the body. Also there’s a strange and very dangerous phenomena of “happy hypoxia” where patients aren’t getting enough oxygen in their blood but don’t realize it, which can cause a lot of organ damage. I assume whatever is behind it is not interfering with CO2 removal, that’s what drives the breathing reflex.

    You can get a comprehensive view of the morbidity that COVID-19 can cause including delayed mortality in this recent study of Veterans Health Administration data. Of people who didn’t die in the first 30 days, 73,5K who didn’t need hospitalization and 13.5K who did, with some serious control groups, about 5 million normal people in their system and another 13.5K who were hospitalized with influenza (it’s much worse than the normal flu).

  417. dimples says:
    @stanloona

    What’s wrong with the CCP? Better to be under the thumb of them, rather than under the thumb of feminists, homos, Jews and the multi-gendered. At least it’s good old honest fascism rather than the horrifying woke nanny Jewstate.

  418. @Dumbo

    So in that case it is viral pneumonia. Still it is deadlier and more widespread globally than any other previous outbreaks of this disease, now on a pandemic scale. Can you show any previous such global pandemics of pneumonia? So it still raises the questions: why, how come, where from.

  419. @thotmonger

    I pine for an essay by Unz regarding the larger question of how this “great plague” is being so extravagantly exploited

    He admits above that he hasn’t looked into any of that, but for some reason he dismisses it anyway. He hasn’t even read his own site!

  420. lysias says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The intelligence agencies compartmentalize information. I don’t see why a plot of the kind Mr. Unz hypothesizes would require more than 100 people who understood what they were doing.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Ron Unz
  421. @Stonehands

    Trump is an entertainer. He was shocked when he won the first time and it showed in his total ineptitude, what with stocking his cabinet with neocon retreads and the feckless, Jarvanka Habad-House dual agents.

    Trump had presidential ambitions going back to the 70s. I don’t think he was shocked so much as believed government could be run like a business, with employees snapping-to. He did do a lot of small things right, cut through some red tape and got the economy going, at least a little better. Trump was unabashedly and genuinely pro-American and loved this country as opposed to the dour criminal demoshits and globalist swine republicucks, one reason why he remains popular.

    In order to warranty that he wouldn’t win and have to endure 4 more years of the clown-car ride, he authorized the State of Emergency on March 13 expanding the rules for mail- in voting, thereby guaranteeing a Biden victory.

    Nothing these days can be counted out, but that’s a rather sophisticated move for a fellow with the attention span of a goldfish. That he was played like a fiddle by (((certain forces))) can’t be disputed though.

    Trump is happy now. He can grift from the sideline forever, with his shitty web page that has no comments section, no discourse, and lots of flags- and a donate button, don’t forget to donate!

    He doesn’t really need money, another reason he was appealing. A billionaire in his 70s should have been raising Cain all along, banging Melania in between session of firing the criminal heads of the cia, fbi, doj, etc.

    P.S.
    925,000 dead! Keep it up unzy- you’re almost up to 6 million!

    If you’re referring to #covidhoax I don’t see how you could trust any official numbers. The federal mafia lies about everything now. Everything. An true pandemic doesn’t need fedmob to suppress dissenting opinions nor (((fake news))) to hype the crisis, nor laws to force people to wear protection like masks.

  422. Jiminy says:

    I still recall the ABC am morning show interviewed a female scientist from the CSIRO in Australia about the new flu. The time was around January 2020 I believe. When asked if the virus was from nature she laughed and said no. Things don’t work that way. And while the Chinese swine fever outbreak before that was on the tv news reports, it was sad to see pigs being bulldozed into pits to be buried alive. At least here they would be shot first.

  423. skrik says:
    @quark

    Thanks for your response, an answer is given below in

    409.Brás Cubas says:
    May 11, 2021 at 12:40 pm GMT

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3132949/chinese-book-bottom-sars-bioweapons-claims

    Happy reading.

    Further, “The Australian, Murdoch newspaper” is not exactly known for a) impartiality let alone b) accuracy, but rather c) quite often hateful propaganda of the worst sort.

    Apropos, another poster has cited an article from the same source ‘in here,’ with, of course, the same warning as I’ve just given. rgds

  424. @Skeptikal

    Mr Unz didn’t say that it was on the site but on that thread which is dealing with the origin of sarscov2, still, his comment is rather disturbing.

    What is a “crazy flu hoaxer”? From what I understood, it would be someone who doesn’t believe the official narrative about the “corona thing” death toll and the efficacy of so called vaccines (which are definitely not vaccine and hardly gene therapy) made in a couple of weeks whereas, by definition, vaccine take years to prepare.

  425. lysias says:
    @dimples

    There is evidence that several European participants in the Military World Games were infected.

  426. @Sarah

    yet the US so-called “vaccines” based on mRNA spread continuously new spike proteins for the rest of the life ; they aren’t deleted by the new created antbodies after the shot contrarily to classical vaccines

    “Not even wrong.”

    All “active” vaccines including the very first vaccine of any type are means to the end of hijacking cells to cause mRNA to create viral proteins inside of cells. DNA->mRNA->proteins as the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics goes, then mRNA strands are decomposed into their individual nucleotides and go back to the nucleus to be made into other mRNA strands. So the time during which these cells produce the spike protein is strictly limited, which I bet isn’t the case for the viral vector vaccines.

    This production causes both the full spike protein to appear on the surfaces of cells where the humoral, that is antibody mediated part of the adaptive immune system can interact with them, and small portions of them are sniped and presented on the surface of these hijacked cells as epitopes. Which prompt not just antibody recognition of “this is alien, kill it!” but also cellular immunity. Which includes CD8+ T cells that recognize hijacked cells and kills them.

    Final detail which calls into question the pathology of mRNA vaccine spike proteins? They’re non-functional, have been stabilized with a couple of “molecular twist ties.” By comparison, see the (AZ/)Oxford strong women vaccine which doesn’t take advantage of the NIH research into this and uses the wild type (WT) spike protein.

    • Troll: Theophrastus
  427. profnasty says:
    @Tdstype2

    It’s a political attack.
    America’s Media Commisars picked up the ball and ran with it.
    Scare scare scare.
    Sell sell sell.

  428. @lysias

    But they all spy on each other, and I doubt something this big could be kept secret from others high up in the spy agencies and the deep state.

  429. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Wades article has this:

    “Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.”

    Now compare this article at ncbi:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836551/
    Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses

    And so other closely related corona viruses do have closely related relevant furin cleavage site. By being restrictive to beta, a myopic misunderstanding occurs in Wade’s article.

    • Thanks: FB
  430. Tim too says:

    This contains Deigin et al write up:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7993900/
    Should we discount the laboratory origin of COVID-19?

    By Segreto, Deigin, etal.

    No further references yet in ncbi.

    • Thanks: Robert Snefjella, skrik
  431. @Bann

    I saw people drinking cow urine like a beverage.

    Now, if we can just carbonate it, or better yet, have a “nitro” version, mixed with 30 gm of sugar served with crushed ice, I want to get in on the ground floor. Call it “Dr. Newman’s Peepul’s Elixir” – only $1.29 for a Big Gulp.

    • LOL: Rdm, some_loon
  432. @Sick of Orcs

    That was an excellent take on Donald Trump, SoO!

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  433. denk says:

    pandemic watch rule 2
    Beware of pale faced bearing gift…

    Exhibit A
    Smallpox laced blankets for native Americans,

    B
    ‘threat prevention’ labs in Africa became the source of Ebola outbreak’

    C
    dengue in Pak

    Very few people in Pakistan know the history of the dengue epidemic in Pakistan. It dates back to the era when we decided to give free hand to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to use our land for its nefarious activities. We received many “gifts” from the Americans in post Afghan war that dismantled the USSR – dengue and drugs, arms and terrorism, religious bigotry and militarism. During the engagement in Afghanistan through the mujahideen, CIA started a “project” (sic) in Lahore under the name of the ‘Malaria Eradication Centre‘ – headed by one David Nalin – to wage biological warfare against the USSR troops. The Centre hired some poor residents of Green Town as guinea pigs. They were infected with the dengue virus and were later on exposed to the Aedes mosquitoes in netted beds. In this way, David Nalin created virus-carrier species – A. aegypti A. albopictus, A. polynesiensis and A. scutellaris – capable of transmitting the deadly epidemic disease commonly known as dengue or yellow fever amongst the Red Army occupying Afghanistan.

    https://tariqluqman.blogspot.com/2013/02/dengue-virus-biological-war-started-by.html#.VGBDOmc9YYd

  434. @Chrisnonymous

    Anybody plotting covert biological warfare would be certain to think about the consequences of getting caught.

    I could just about believe that the US and Israel would attack Iran in this way – but not China. The reason is that the Chinese are smart enough to work out the source of the attack, and the consequences of discovery for the USA would have been colossal. For similar reasons, nobody seriously believes that the CCP deliberately leaked COVID into the wild.

    Similarly, whatever the origin of swine flu in China, and however it was spread, it is not plausible that foreign agents distributed the virus by drone. If caught, any such agents would have been executed, and their country would have found itself at war with China. For what possible benefit? Higher pork exports?

    … the Chinese have not been very transparent about WIV. If their records all pointed against problems at the lab, they would let the WHO team (which seems pretty pro-Chinese anyway) look at everything in order to clear their names and point the finger at the US.

    This is the most obvious “smoking gun”. If the WIV had passed an immediate and full inspection, including examination of laboratory notebooks and time sheets, swabbing working areas for specimens, private interviews with every staff member from the director down to cleaners, and so on, with full and eager cooperation from people who had nothing to hide, we would be justified in looking for more complicated explanations – such as secret agents infiltrating China to conduct biological warfare.

    COVID was most likely spread accidentally from a laboratory – something that has happened many times before with a variety of pathogens from “secure” biology labs all over the world – but never before with such dire consequences. Even if COVID arose naturally, the evidence presented by Wade and others makes clear that a laboratory leak at WIV would not have been unexpected. The danger of the situation is that, with most of the world in denial, it is impossible to focus on issues of safety that affect all virology labs – not only their working practices, but whether some of the work should be done at all.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @orchardist
  435. @Bugey libre

    Mr Unz didn’t say that it was on the site but on that thread which is dealing with the origin of sarscov2, still, his comment is rather disturbing.

    What is a “crazy flu hoaxer”?

    There’s way too much noise in Unz.com COVID-19 threads that’s entirely unproductive. Here’s a list of things I came up with in half an hour that I personally would declare out of bounds and have thread moderators delete:

    Denial of the germ theory of disease.

    Denial of the existence of viruses, and their place in the above theory.

    Denial of the existence of SARS-CoV-2, including the ludicrous claim it has never been “isolated.” (See my comment above on how the CDC did that starting on 1/20/2020).

    Denial that something is killing people all over the world far in excess of recent years.

    Claims this could not be caused by SARS-CoV-2.

    Claims that all people being killed by COVID-19 “already had one foot in the grave.” Possibly extend that to most people.

    Delight that it is killing so many Boomers, or elderly (the oldest Boomers are 75, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was killing more Silents).

    Claims mRNA vaccines aren’t vaccines (they present an antigen to the immune system, if you can’t grasp that…).

    Claims the two leading mRNA vaccines are still “experimental” (CureVac’s on the other hand…).

    Claims that COVID-19 vaccines have killed 3.5K+ people in the US (correlated after vaccination deaths reported to VAERS and how many of those deaths were caused by them is another thing).

    Claims the vaccines are right now killing more people than COVID-19 did when it was unrestrained by them.

    • Thanks: utu
    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Anon
  436. @Per/Norway

    Gregory Copley’s International Strategic Studies Association gathers its own intel. Its Director of Research is Youssef Bodansky, who headed the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare 1988-2004. Last I checked 130+ countries around the world were paying for ISSA research. Obviously intel gatherers can’t give up sources.

    Bodansky has called Copley “our only fully conscious grand strategist.” Steve Sailer has referred to Copley’s partner, mentor and ISSA co-founder Stefan Possony as a “super genius” (or super brain, I forget).

    Bodansky on China new 30 year war Vs U.S.:
    583_Bodansky.pdf

    Copley talks about China’s 30 year war against U.S. beginning at 26 minute mark of this video:

    Listen and draw your own conclusions. Nobody is 100% right when it comes to intel analysis, but Copley has one of the best track records IMO. For example, Copley did the research that allowed Stefan Possony to predict in 1973 that the USSR would disintegrate in the early 1990s. Shortly before the OKC bombing Bodansky stated that “two lily whites” were going to bomb a federal building in the American heartland. I trust Copley to usually get it right.

    • Replies: @Gizmo880
    , @utu
  437. gnbRC says:
    @greencrow

    What role does the “Covidiazation” of the regular seasonal flu play in all this? The flu has basically disappeared in the west…supplanted by Covid-19.

    Given the regularity of the ‘seasonal flu’, and its tie-in to the pharmaceutical industry and their related government regulators for ‘seasonal profit’ ad infinitum, and the likely agency distribution and spreading of a COVID-19 virus, …

    … why wouldn’t it be reasonable to also consider the possibility of the ‘seasonal flu’ virus also being man-made and distributed/spread for profit, perhaps by private monied interests rather than government agencies?

    Perhaps the virus distribution/spreading technologies were already developed and in use by private industry and the Military/Intelligence agencies just paid for the methodologies and technologies.

    So, maybe the distribution/spreading of the ‘seasonal flu’ was halted during the COVID-19 operation to limit the chances of a cross-mutant strain developing.

    • Agree: Alfred
  438. Ron Unz says:
    @lysias

    The intelligence agencies compartmentalize information. I don’t see why a plot of the kind Mr. Unz hypothesizes would require more than 100 people who understood what they were doing.

    You obviously have far more intelligence expertise than myself, but I doubt the number of core plotters would have even a fraction of that.

    I think a good analogy would be the JFK assassination. From what I’ve read, it seems likely that the vast majority of the individuals peripherally involved in the plot were completely unaware of the intended goal, but had merely been directed by their associates or superiors to take various actions without being told exactly why. They obviously understood afterwards, but having become personally compromised, they had a reason to keep silent.

    Obviously, any operatives who released the virus in Wuhan would have known what they were doing, but surely believed it was an officially authorized operation, the sort of thing for which they’d been trained. The same thing was true for the bioweapons experts who supplied the virus. Given the disaster inflicted upon America and the fact that the bioweapons were anyway illegal, it would now be difficult for them to come forward, admit they had knowingly been involved in illegal bioweapons activity that had accidentally killed millions, but say that they had been misled by their superiors, who themselves may have been misled.

    It’s a little like what happened after TWA-900 was accidentally shot down:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-destruction-of-twa-flight-800/

    A perfect sign of the widespread “innocence” in these agencies was that those four government sources came forward to describe the secret November DIA report, without even realizing that the date of the report revealed the DIA foreknowledge, an absolute smoking gun.

    • Replies: @lysias
  439. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:

    I knew immediately this was going to become a CCP troll-fest.

    • Replies: @skrik
  440. @James N. Kennett

    Respectfully, little in the real world happens “by accident” – especially not with matters this grave. Those in power are more nefarious than most of us can imagine.

    • Agree: Ace
  441. Ron Unz says:
    @Bugey libre

    Mr Unz didn’t say that it was on the site but on that thread which is dealing with the origin of sarscov2, still, his comment is rather disturbing…What is a “crazy flu hoaxer”?

    Look, this isn’t a Flu Hoaxer thread, so if you want to promote Flu Hoaxery go to one of those, of which there have been many over the last year.

    Similarly, all the crazy Anti-Vaxxers are perfectly welcome to rant about that issue on any of Mike Whitney’s numerous Anti-Vaxx articles, and indeed he’s just published a new one:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covaxx-19-scorecard-bleeding-blood-clots-and-the-whole-nine-yards/

    Cluttering up this comment-thread with that sort of off-topic nonsense just isn’t acceptable.

    • Replies: @Bugey libre
  442. @Badger Down

    Gregory Copley’s ISSA has a lot of people on the ground all over the world gathering intel. If you want to see some of his impressive predictions/analysis, read this 2006 Copley bio starting ~12 paragraphs down the page:

    http://www.artofvictory.com/Author.htm

  443. skrik says:
    @FB

    is there in fact an agenda behind all of these unprecedented social measures?

    At first, most of ‘the West’ said “flatten the curve,” although an early article “The Hammer and the Dance;Mitigation vs Suppression” was p’d *about one year ago* on MoA, detailing an optimal approach – which differed little from the approach *successfully* deployed in/around Wuhan. Seems to me that the main problem with the West’s “unprecedented social measures” is that they were only ever half-hearted, both in conception and implementation. One exception known to me, namely NZ.

    In other words, the ‘leadership’ of ‘the West’ totally mismanaged the crisis, and the sheople, being insufficiently propagandised as to the ‘essential’ way to act, just took it all too casually. The result as of today, most places, is continuing spreading, although possibly slowing, some say because of vaccines (UK/AZ, say). Added to that were the ‘nurFlus’ [= denialists] who activel resist, best illustra