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An Orwellian Reversal on the Origins of Covid

It’s been decades since I last read George Orwell’s 1984, but portions of that classic dystopian novel have become part of our common political culture.

There’s that famous scene in which an orator is giving a lengthy wartime speech at a political rally, praising the heroic ally of Eurasia and denouncing the arch-foe of Eastasia, but then is quietly handed a note partway through and completely reverses himself, vilifying the former and hailing the latter. “We have always been at war with Eurasia.”

Over the last couple of weeks, we have witnessed in real time this sort of stark and sudden reversal in long-held positions with regard to the origins of the global Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world. From early 2020 onward, the mainstream narrative had been that the virus was completely natural, and anyone who suggested that it might be the man-made product of a laboratory was denounced as a “conspiracy theorist,” closely akin to the QAnon activists endlessly ridiculed in the media. This official party-line was often harshly enforced by our leading social media monopolies, with Facebook summarily banning all posts suggesting otherwise.

But this situation has now entirely changed, and in recent days the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and our leading electronic media outlets have carried top stories treating that former heresy in a very respectful manner, and even suggesting that the weight of evidence might favor it. The Senate has voted in favor of immediately declassifying all our intelligence documents related to the origin of the virus, and massive political pressure upon President Joe Biden has forced him to order that a full intelligence review be produced and released within 90 days. It appears that an emerging elite consensus may soon favor theories that had previously been consigned to odd corners of the Internet.

The triggering event for this remarkable reversal in American elite sentiment was a closely reasoned and persuasive 11,000 word article by journalist Nicholas Wade. Although the author had spent more than four decades as a top science reporter at the New York Times and other leading outlets, his work was quietly released May 2nd on the Medium blogging site, lacking any endorsements or prestigious imprimatur, then republished on May 5th by the low-traffic website of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

Despite such extremely inauspicious beginnings and the cautious and subdued tone of his text, the consequences were dramatic. Although nearly all the facts and evidence that Wade discussed had already been publicly available for most of the past year, his careful analysis and considerable journalistic credibility quickly transformed the intellectual landscape. He began his long article by explaining that from February 2020 onward a huge ideological bubble had been inflated by political propaganda masquerading as science, a bubble that was afterwards maintained through a combination of journalistic cowardice and incompetence. President Donald Trump had proclaimed that the virus was artificial, so our media therefore insisted that it must be natural, even if all the evidence seemed to suggest otherwise.

Wade’s careful presentation immediately punctured that bubble, and upended the public discussion of an epidemic that had killed millions around the world. By May 28th, the Wall Street Journal carried the headline “Facebook Ends Ban on Posts Asserting Covid-19 Was Man-Made,” so that in less than one month a self-published article had already changed what nearly three billion individuals around the world were allowed to read and write. This illustrates the totalitarian control of information on the Internet held by American’s huge Tech monopolies, which determine the limits of permitted discussion worldwide at the flip of a switch. Can there be any better example of the ridiculous, Stalinesque climate of intellectual censorship currently enforced by those corporate giants?

Although Wade’s article served as the crucial catalyst, something similar had almost happened in early January, when prestigious New York magazine published a 12,000 cover-story by prominent liberal public intellectual Nicholson Baker, which reached very similar conclusions and might have produced the same impact. But Baker’s article ran on January 4th, and two days later our DC Capitol was suddenly stormed by a mob of outraged Trumpists, ensuring that all other matters were quickly forgotten for the next couple of months:

  • The Lab-Leak Hypothesis
    For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?
    Nicholson Baker • New York Magazine • January 4, 2021 • 12,000 Words

I think a strong case may be made that the Covid epidemic has been the most important global event since World War II, and so sweeping and rapid a journalistic about-face seems almost unprecedented. Leading members of the Fourth Estate have fully recognized the magnitude of this reversal and the dire implications for their profession, registering their reactions, whether with delight or resigned embarrassment.

As a leading critic of our media establishment, famed investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald Tweeted out his own harsh verdict:

His frequent ally Matt Taibbi made similar remarks:

When the Wall Street Journal came out with a story that a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report detailed how three Wuhan researchers became sick enough to be hospitalized in November of 2019, the toothpaste was fully out of the tube: there was no longer any way to say the “lab origin” hypothesis was too silly to be reported upon.

That’s not to say the “lab origin” theory is correct, at all. However, that’s irrelevant to issue at hand.

But even more noteworthy was the lengthy mea culpa issued by Donald G. McNeil, Jr., the forty-five year veteran of the New York Times who had spearheaded his newspaper’s Covid coverage from the very beginning. Soon after reading his former colleague’s analysis and carefully considering the voluminous evidence cited, McNeil entirely reversed his opinion on the origins of the virus, endorsing a theory that he and other mainstream journalists had spent more than a year dismissing as “far right” lunacy, which he admitted they had grouped together with “Pizzagate, the Plandemic, Kung Flu, Q-Anon, Stop the Steal, and the January 6 Capitol invasion.”

Was Covid Developed as a Bioweapon?

With belief in a natural origin for the virus swiftly ebbing, our elite consensus seems to be moving toward the position of Wade, Baker, and many others that the original outbreak probably resulted from an accidental lab-leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, known to have been experimenting in that general area of viral research. Recent disclosures by members of our intelligence community that support this theory have been promoted in front-page stories in the Wall Street Journal and other leading media outlets, while naturally inspiring an enormous amount of discussion on the Internet.

One important element of the debate is the growing public awareness that the Wuhan lab’s viral research had received much of its recent funding from our own National Institutes of Health, providing a major scope for angry American political recriminations. These facts have been well known for more than a year, but they obviously had little importance when the virus was assumed to be natural.

Even the most horrific biological accidents can happen, but given the demonstrable cowardice and incompetence of our leading media organs, we should hardly be surprised that certain rather obvious implications of this lab-leak hypothesis have received less attention than they deserve.

First, there is the important fact that the top researchers at the Wuhan lab have adamantly denied that the virus was developed there, a position strongly supported by China’s national government. So if we accept a lab-leak, then both the local Chinese researchers and the country’s top political leaders have been concealing the true facts of this massive global catastrophe from day one. Such a total lack of candor might not be entirely surprising, but it casts a dark shadow over all of China’s other claims.

Even more suspicious is the publication history of the Wuhan lab. Sympathetic American scientists who had doubted that the virus was artificial have emphasized that absolutely none of the numerous articles produced by those Chinese viral researchers had included any mention of experimental work with the virus that eventually became formally known as SARS-CoV-2, which surely would have required a considerable amount of time and effort to transform into its current, highly-dangerous form. This implies that any such viral development work was kept entirely secret, a fact that carries dark implications. The production of biological weapons has been banned by international treaties, so any such illegal virus project would necessarily have remained secret.

Early last year, we published the perspective of a retired forty-year veteran of American biodefense, who focused on the particular epidemiological characteristics of the virus, which was extremely contagious but had a low fatality rate of 1% or less. As I summarized his analysis:

One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

For obvious reasons the majority of our mainstream journalists have been very reluctant to connect these dots of the Wuhan lab-leak scenario which they are now increasingly endorsing, just as nearly all of them had earlier failed to recognize that the virus was probably artificial. Even Wade and Baker have completely avoided any suggestion that the virus accidentally released in Wuhan had been an illegal bioweapon.

But if we abandon this understandable reticence and merely list the central elements of the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis, the logical implications are quite obvious:

  1. The virus accidentally leaked from China’s most advanced bioresearch facility, whose top virologists have repeatedly been lying about both the leak itself and their creation of the virus, falsehoods strongly echoed by top Chinese governmental leaders.
  2. Since no mention of the virus development work had ever appeared in any published articles, the project had been kept entirely secret. Such total secrecy would be consistent with the creation of an illegal bioweapon.
  3. The virus seems to have the ideal characteristics of an anti-economy bioweapon, intended to devastate the society and economic life of a targetted country.

Based upon these facts, the “Wuhan Lab-Leak Hypothesis” seems merely a euphemistic way of describing what is actually the “Chinese Bioweapon Lab-Leak Hypothesis.”

From the earliest days of the outbreak, anti-China publications and activists have regularly claimed that Covid was created in a laboratory, also describing it as an illegal Chinese bioweapon accidentally released into the world. Now that the former once-stigmatized assertion is becoming widely accepted, the latter possibility will inevitably become part of the public debate, regardless of any media attempts efforts to prevent this.

Once the virus began devastating large portions of Europe and America during the early months of 2020, the attacks upon China by President Trump and other top figures in his administration like Mike Pompeo became extremely harsh, and although the term “bioweapon” was only rarely uttered in public, it seemed implicit in many of their angry accusations and was probably widely discussed behind closed doors. For example, earlier this year David Asher, a former top Pompeo aide, publicly claimed that Covid was a Chinese bioweapon during a panel discussion organized by the neoconservative Hudson Institute.

The worldwide destruction inflicted by the virus has been enormous, both in human life and in social and economic damage. Taking into account both deaths and the concurrent lockdowns, America has clearly suffered its worst national calamity since the Great Depression. Many hundreds of thousands of our citizens have died, and according to the detailed analysis of the University of Washington public health researchers, our true total of virus deaths is already close to a million.

Other parts of the world have been even harder hit. India is currently the global epicenter of the outbreak, and most outside observers regard its official death tolls as severe undercounts. Last week, a major NYT survey of public health experts estimated that India’s actual fatalities have probably already exceeded 1.5 million and perhaps even passed 4 million.

If the carelessness of well-intentioned Chinese scientists has cost the world so many millions of lives and trillions of dollars, that situation would be bad enough. But if all this death and destruction was due to the accidental release of an illegal bioweapon which had been purposefully designed to destroy countries, the international consequences will surely be far more severe.

There are certain logical progressions that almost inevitably follow each other, so that once we have accepted A, we are forced to proceed to B, and then to C and D. Now that our elite media and political establishment seem ready to recognize the artificial nature of the virus, they will find it impossible to suppress the resulting debate on whether Covid was an illegal bioweapon. Indeed, I strongly suspect that many of those early figures who desperately—and often dishonestly—sought to establish the virus as natural and stifle any contrary possibility did so hoping to forestall exactly this situation. But as the Taibbi quote above emphasizes, by late May “the toothpaste was fully out of the tube.”

A Bioweapon Lab-Leak Scenario Without a Lab-Leak?

As discussed above, during the last two or three weeks we have witnessed the explosion of a massive propaganda bubble that had dominated our media narrative for more than a year, built around the assumption that Covid was a natural virus. That bubble had been maintained by the unwillingness of journalists to take notice of the obvious flaws in that theory and its total lack of any supporting evidence, while also completely ignoring important facts that pointed in an entirely different direction. As a consequence, that belief is being rapidly replaced by the contrary lab-leak hypothesis promoted by the Wade and Baker articles. But under these circumstances, we must be careful that we are not merely replacing one propaganda bubble with another.

Taken together, the Wade and Baker articles total some 23,000 words, and although they constitute the main case for the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis, they strangely seem almost devoid of any significant evidence for an actual lab-leak. Even worse, from April 2020 onward Trump and Pompeo had loudly declared that they possessed “enormous evidence” supporting their claims of a Wuhan lab-leak, yet no such evidence has ever appeared. Have we forgotten the story of the Iraqi WMD’s so quickly?

There is one partial exception to these bare shelves. Wade’s long article contains a brief mention that just before Pompeo left office, he had his State Department release a Fact Sheet which mentioned that the US “had reason to believe” that during Autumn 2019, several researchers at the Wuhan lab fell ill with flu-like symptoms, and a couple of months later a former top Pompeo aide publicly made that same claim in somewhat greater detail.

Then last week, this tiny morsel resurfaced as the subject of an entire front-page WSJ story. According to intelligence from an unnamed third-party source of disputed reliability, three Wuhan lab researchers had fallen seriously ill during November 2019, around the time that the outbreak first began. Taibbi seemed to regard this tidbit as strong support for a lab-leak, and the story has been widely promoted on social media.

But this actual evidence seems almost invisibly thin. The journalists failed to mention that the Wuhan lab had over 1,000 staffers, and is it really so remarkable that three of these might have come down with serious flu-like symptoms at the height of flu season? Was this really the sum-total of the “enormous evidence” once claimed by Pompeo? Moreover, a sharp-eyed blogger noticed that the lead author of that WSJ article was none other than Michael R. Gordon, who had partnered with Judith Miller on her notoriously-fraudulent Iraqi WMD articles, an important detail that surely raises further doubts. And if we can credit the Chinese authorities, they say they later tested all Wuhan lab employees, none of whom had any signs of past infection.

It is true that there were also some American reports suggesting that the safety conditions at the Wuhan lab were insufficient, but relying upon such weak indications becomes a two-edged sword. Over the last year, pro-China propaganda-activists have widely promoted the completely unsubstantiated theory that the Covid virus had accidentally escaped from Ft. Detrick, America’s own premier biowarfare lab, heavily relying upon the fact that for eight months of 2019 major portions of the facility had been ordered shut down by the CDC for serious safety violations. There obviously exists far stronger circumstantial evidence of an American lab-leak than anything similar having happened in Wuhan.

So the major weakness in the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis is that there are no actual signs of any lab-leak in Wuhan.

The Case for an American Biowarfare Attack

Thus, we are left with the strong likelihood that Covid came from a laboratory along with a good possibility that it was designed as a bioweapon, yet we lack serious indications that any lab-leak occurred. So if the original Wuhan outbreak was due to the deployment of a powerful bioweapon but not one that had accidentally leaked from any lab, then surely China was the intended target, the victim rather than the perpetrator. Indeed, the PRC only avoided suffering devastation because it responded in such extremely prompt fashion and quickly imposed exceptionally strong public health controls. Some 700 million Chinese were confined to their homes for weeks, a lockdown probably more than a thousand times greater than anything previously seen in history.

Given our ongoing military and geopolitical confrontation with China, America seems the likely source of the attack. However, once the virus eventually reached our own country, President Trump’s completely lackadaisical response demonstrated that he himself had absolutely no idea that he was confronting the threat of a dangerous bioweapon, thereby proving his own personal innocence. The most likely suspects would be rogue elements of our national security establishment, probably some of the Deep State Neocons whom Trump had placed near the top of his administration.

This small handful of high-level plotters would have then drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus to actually carry out the operation. The virus and its dispersal devices might have been obtained from Ft. Detrick and CIA operatives or members of special forces would have been sent to Wuhan to release it. However, all these latter individuals would have believed that they were participating in a fully authorized covert military strike against America’s primary geopolitical adversary. In effect, what happened was a Dr. Strangelove-type scenario, but brought to real life.

Starting in April 2020, I began publishing a long series of articles and columns that presented the evidence for this biowarfare attack hypothesis. Three of the most substantial pieces are linked below, and I would suggest that those so interested read them, especially the most recent one.

In addition, we had earlier republished two very relevant articles, one by a retired forty year veteran of American biodefense and the other by investigative journalist Whitney Webb:

The following few paragraphs extracted my articles probably provide some of the most compelling evidence for my thesis:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

On March 15, 2020 I had published a brief comment providing my simple analogy of what I thought had transpired. At that point, our country had only suffered a couple of dozen fatalities and had not yet had its first lockdown, but I would still stand by those same words today:

Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to “teach them a lesson.”

But the victimized family smells smoke, wakes up, and using heroic effort puts the fire out with only fairly minor damage.

Meanwhile, the fire spreads back to the teenager’s own house, and since the family is too lazy and incompetent to bother doing anything, the house catches on fire and burns to the ground, killing several relatives and leaving everyone homeless.

Under such a scenario, wouldn’t it be more sensible for the attacked family to just quietly gloat a little and maybe offer condolences rather than to plot further vengeance?

Evidence Favors a Biowarfare Attack Rather Than a Random Lab-Leak

My past articles linked above make my case for an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) but run many thousands of words. So I am providing below a brief summary of those main points, especially focused upon why the biowarfare scenario seems far more likely that the competing lab-leak hypothesis:

(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.

Outline of the Hypothetical Biowarfare Attack Scenario

Given the conclusions suggested above, I also think it would be useful for me to provide my own summary of a plausible scenario for the Covid outbreak. Although I had already presented this outline in a September 2020 article, I see no need for any revisions. Obviously, this reconstruction is quite speculative, but I think it best fits all the available evidence, while individual elements may be modified, dropped, or replaced without necessarily compromising the overall hypothesis.

(1) Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare. The plan was to infect the key transport hub of Wuhan with Covid-19 so that the disease would invisibly spread throughout the entire country during the annual Lunar New Year travels, and they used the cover of the Wuhan International Military Games to slip a couple of operatives into the city to release the virus. My guess is that only a relatively small number of individuals were involved in this plot.

(2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon. Although Covid-19 has rather low fatality rates, it is extremely contagious, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and can even spread by asymptomatic carriers, making it ideally suited for that purpose. Thus, once it established itself throughout most of China, it would be extremely difficult to eradicate and the resulting efforts to control it would inflict enormous damage upon China’s economy and society.

(3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

(4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19. Anyway, since international organizations always ranked the US and Europe as having the best and most effective public health systems for combating any disease epidemic, they believed that any possible blowback damage would be very minor.

(5) Only a small number of individuals were directly involved in this plot, and soon after the disease was successfully released in Wuhan, they decided to further safeguard America’s own interests by alerting the appropriate units with the Defense Intelligence Agency, probably by fabricating some sort of supposed “intelligence leak.” Basically, they arranged for the DIA to hear that Wuhan was apparently suffering a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak, thereby leading the DIA to prepare and distribute a secret report warning our own forces and allies to take appropriate precautions.

(6) Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease. Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten media attention. Since the CDC had botched production of a testing kit, we had no means of recognizing that the disease was already spreading in our country, and the result was massive damage to America’s economy and society. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.

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  1. https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-22/Can-politics-be-put-aside-while-looking-for-origins-of-coronavirus--T9HgctyKv6/index.html

    “Doctor Watson —-Sherlock was not stealing your thunder !” and science is not science fiction…

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  2. This is a lengthy article, but for those with the patience to wade through it, Mr. Unz has done a commendable job of clearing away the smoke and mirrors surrounding the complete reversal of the official Corona Chan narrative, which amounts to a well-coordinated psyop to get ahead of the curve and deflect all suspicion for the Corona Chan bioweapon back on China.

    The key to understanding it all – Corona Chan is a bioweapon, but its release wasn’t necessarily accidental. Dig into all the evidence and research, and all roads seem to lead back to North America.

    Meanwhile, Corona Chan has been leveraged in a masterful top-down global bait-and-switch operation to herd us all into line for the “vaccine”.

    Seems the common folk just can’t win.

  3. Ron Unz’s allusion to the “Third Estate” (the bourgeoisie and peasants) should be corrected to the Fourth Estate (the press and journalists).

    It was like pulling teeth, with lots of high-powered scientists weighing in (cited in Wade’s review) just to acknowledge that Covid-19 MIGHT have been made in a lab. The adamant claim that “THIS DID NOT COME FROM A LAB!” was unscientific hubris, and called attention of many scientists to the issue; if the bat coronavirus virologists had just stated that “it is unlikely that Covid-19 came from a lab, and we are investigating this possibility”, it would likely have stayed under radar forever.

    It will be much harder to prove that INTENT was involved in the 3.5 million Covid-19 deaths globally. No doubt there were labs all over the US, Canada and of course China (and likely elsewhere) engaged in this research, in a manner typical of collaboration and cooperation of science projects nowadays. Of course, it only takes a handful of US or Chinese intelligence agents to turn a scientific enterprise into a bioweapon (fortunately 95% of victims are over age 60 globally, BUT high level politicians mostly survived, excepting Iranians).

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  4. Along similar lines, I have thought that the real reason for the MSM’s about-face on the lab leak scenario was not the article by Nicholas Wade, but was in fact the May 10 article by Mr Unz himself which presented a more plausible but nevertheless shocking theory for the origin of COVID.

    When the MSM starts to endorse a theory, it is time seriously to consider the opposite. What better way to deflect from an indictment of the US bioweapons program than to eat crow and “admit” that the conspiracy theorists blaming the Wuhan lab were right all along?

  5. Erebus says:

    The lab-created/natural argument seems to be a done deal. The accidental leak/purposeful attack remains controversial. The devastation of people’s lives and livelihoods and the devastation of economies, however is entirely purposeful. As is the devastation of children’s education and the damage to the wider social structure.

    At the end of the day, the virus is a nothing-burger. Readily cured within 72 hrs in the case of any halfway healthy person, of whatever age. In most cases much less than 72 hrs if treatment is administered early enough after onset of symptoms.

    [MORE]

    Who banned those treatments, and why did they do it? Why did almost all national public health authorities follow the same program, banning what worked? Why were front line doctors hamstrung, and overtly forbidden to follow their natural course of treatment in favour of a protocol that was ineffective at best, and lethal at worst? Why were hospitals in the US, Canada & Australia (and perhaps elsewhere) rewarded financially for a COVID death? Who made those policy decisions and why?

    Zimbabwe’s death rate fell to zero within 2 weeks after rescinding their ban on Ivermectin. Delhi’s death rate is collapsing shortly after rescinding their ban. Their doctors (and the public) first defied the ban, and then forced their govts to rescind it. Why didn’t West’s doctors and public? Why were they banned in the 1st place?

    After the first few weeks, that ain’t panic & error. That’s conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity. Shouldn’t those questions be brought to the fore, rather than allowing ourselves to be led by the nose on a wild goose chase concerning accidental/purposeful release of a manmade/natural virus? Beside the former questions, the latter pale into insignificance.

    And then there’s the mRNA “vaccines”, and the devastation they’re just starting to wreak havoc on those societies that fell for them…

    In fact, I’d expect that in answering the questions about the response, the answers to the wild goose chase questions would make themselves obvious.

  6. Erebus says:
    @Neuromancer

    What better way to deflect from an indictment of the US bioweapons program than to eat crow and “admit” that the conspiracy theorists blaming the Wuhan lab were right all along?

    Indeed. Couldn’t’ve said it better myself. They can’t hang on to the first lie any longer, so they default to the 2nd level down.

    As the guru said to the acolyte who asked what the elephant that held up the the elephant that held up the world stood on: “Oh, it’s elephants all the way down after that”.

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  7. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    would be rogue elements of our national security establishment

    Why rogue rather than part of the regular organization? There’s an assumption that the regular folks there wouldn’t do something like this since they are assumed to be decent people when in fact they’ve been engaged in the business of killing people worldwide on both wholesale and retail levels. Sociopathy is their trade. Gain of function research or bioweapon research, both seem to overlap so the latter could be played off as being the former and thus totally legit. If it was a US bioweapon attack then this lab leak story is the fallback position as the wet market story crumbles. Since there’s so many with an interest in spinning, misdirecting and lying about this as well as just about everything else it’s hard to parse out what the actual story happens to be.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Godfree Roberts
  8. @Neuromancer

    “When the MSM starts to endorse a theory, it is time seriously to consider the opposite.”

    Agreed. It seems to me that the focus has simply shifted from “crack down on independent thought” to “let’s get a new Cold War going.” And I’m not crazy about the eagerness with which previously disruptive critics are helping to fuel the MSM shift.

  9. I don’t agree with Unz’s blowback theory on several points. However, I do agree that it’s disturbing how quickly people are moving to embrace the lab leak hypothesis while seeming to embrace antipathy to China at the same time. It’s like the ongoing anxiety over Taiwan and the future of American hegemony is unconsciously motivating people to embrace the lab leak hypothesis as an excuse.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  10. Ron Unz says:
    @Neuromancer

    Along similar lines, I have thought that the real reason for the MSM’s about-face on the lab leak scenario was not the article by Nicholas Wade, but was in fact the May 10 article by Mr Unz himself which presented a more plausible but nevertheless shocking theory for the origin of COVID.

    That would be very gratifying, but I very much doubt it. I think Wade’s excellent article was getting lots of traction among MSM-types before mine was published. Also, don’t forget that the numerous pro-Trump/anti-China outlets and activists were very energetic in trying to relaunch the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and they do have a substantial media footprint.

    Anyway, if you’re correct and the shocking reversal by the MSM was meant to forestall growth of interest in my analysis, they made a very serious mistake. That sort of extreme back-flip greatly discredits the MSM, and opens people’s minds to additional possibilities.

    For example, I’ve been a little friendly for a number of years with an eminent mainstream academic scholar, mostly focused on national security issues with a strong interest in China. During our correspondence over the last year, he was *very* skeptical of my biowarfare attack hypothesis. But after the total MSM reversal on the lab-leak issue, it looks like he’s now coming around to my theories.

    Incidentally, this is not a comment-thread for debating Flu Hoaxery, anti-Vaxxery, or unorthodox Covid treatment theories. All that sort of nonsense will just get trashed, so those agitated activists are just wasting their time and should go somewhere else.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • LOL: Emslander
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Ace
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  11. VICB3 says:

    (3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

    Some questions:

    OK, so exactly was Iran’s political elite targeted? Somebody has to get close in to release it. And you have to infect them all at once. Was there a general assembly inside a closed building at the time?

    And why didn’t it break out into the general population? Was it age specific? Did it have a built-in self destruct?

    Who would benefit most from such an attack? Was it an Israeli sideshow?

    And are the Israelis, working with rogue elements within the U.S. Government, in fact responsible for the Covid-19 and its variants?

    Could those rogue elements include dispensationalist Christian nutjobs hunting for a way to bring about “The End Times” and the Rapture? (I’m thinking Pompeo and Pence here, along with, doubtless many others.)

    Are Fauci and Gates being thrown under the blame bus to act as high profile scapegoats and shield those truly responsible? (Short answer: probably yes.)

    At any rate, Ron Unz nails it with his narrative. And it’s fair to say the supposed elites are now clinging to the Wuhan Bioweapon Lab Leak theory as a red herring. (Blame the victim!)

    To consider close alternatives is to bring up the uncomfortable topics of deliberate acts of war and war crimes by actors in the United States and Israeli Governments.

    Just a thought (or several).

    VicB3

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  12. Levtraro says:

    The analogy of the Orwellian new has-always-been enemy Estasia and new has-always-been friend Eurasia for the sudden flip in the standing of the lab-leak hypothesis from censored crackpottery to reasonable to discuss is very apt.

    Put that together with other recent developments (coming Biden-Putin meeting in Geneva, waiving of further sanction reg. NS2, EU bigshots talking friendly about Russia, sudden explicit expressions of love to Russia in the Globaltimes Chinese organ) and then it suggests that bigshots in the West have decided -after long deliberation by expensively wise advisors, highly credentialed gurus and top political shamans- that they had a great illumination: drive a wedge between Russia and China by China-Bad Russia-Bad-Too-But-Not-So-Bad-After-All strategising.

    • Agree: Alfred
  13. Ron Unz says:
    @anonymous

    Why rogue rather than part of the regular organization? There’s an assumption that the regular folks there wouldn’t do something like this since they are assumed to be decent people when in fact they’ve been engaged in the business of killing people worldwide on both wholesale and retail levels.

    Let me clarify what I meant by “rogue elements”…

    Trump’s behavior almost certainly indicates that he didn’t authorize the attack, which makes it a “rogue operation” by definition. However, I suspect that it has orchestrated by senior people in his administration, perhaps with someone like (former CIA Director) Pompeo as the ringleader. Probably only a handful of plotters were involved.

    However, these individuals were high enough in the government that they could then recruit for the actual operation numerous elements of our national security apparatus, who were told it was a fully authorized undertaking. For example, the Ft. Detrick labs probably provided the virus and release mechanism, CIA or special forces contributed the operatives who traveled to Wuhan, and so forth.

    All of these other individuals knew exactly what they were doing, and indeed they had spent years training or developing exactly these capabilities. What they didn’t know was that the people directing them had *not* received presidential authorization for the attack on our main geopolitical rival.

    It’s basically a Dr. Strangelove-type scenario, brought to real life.

  14. A123 says:

    -3- The virus seems to have the ideal characteristics of an anti-economy bioweapon, intended to devastate the society and economic life of a targetted country.

    Based upon these facts, the “Wuhan Lab-Leak Hypothesis” seems merely a euphemistic way of describing what is actually the “Chinese Bioweapon Lab-Leak Hypothesis.”

    This virus would be a terrible choice as an end state bioweapon. When you fire a gun, you want the bullet to hit the enemy not your own troops. The fact that COVID-19 predictably impacted the globe is not weapon like.

    There is evidence that Dr. Fauci and others were funding gain of function research at the Whuan Virus Laboratory that would have been illegal to conduct in the U.S. This also plays against the idea of a bio-weapon. WMD’s need to be secret, and this research appeared in public grant documentation.

    Key points for the most likely scenario:

    • The virus was artificially enhanced (but not weaponized) by the Whuan Virus Laboratory
    • Certain “leftist” U.S. institutions and individuals collaborated with the CCP funding & technicially supporting creation of the high risk virus.
    • As there is *no national justification* for intentionally attacking 100% of the planetary population. An accidental release is near certain.
    ____

    The other, IMHO much less likely, alternative to clear the *no national justification* hurdle is a multi-national, Elite side. CCP Elites, EU Elites, and US Elites jointly conspired to attack the entire world population of non-elites.

    As we have seen from Merkel’s antics in Germany, Globalist Elites are capable of almost anything. Postulating “Elite vs. Non-Elite” requires cooperation from CCP Elites to arrange the intentional virus release from their Whuan Virus Laboratory.

    EU/CCP/US Elites share the total lack of morality required to pull such a trigger. However, the ill prepared responses everywhere point against this scenario. Pushing all three major currencies (RMB, EUR, and USD) simultaneously towards the brink does not seem to have an obvious advantage for the Elite side.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Tdstype2
  15. The outbreak of similar illness surrounding Ft. Dietrich in 2019, attributed to vaping, is a huge tell.

    Let’s see how many birds were killed with this one spike, er, stone.

    [MORE]

    1. Top Iranian leadership
    2. The notion that voting must, unless there are unusual circumstances, take place in person.
    3. And thus, The presidency of one Donald J. Trump
    4. The idea that businesses could manage their own affairs and make market-savvy judgements about customer safety.
    5. The idea that families and communities could have an effective voice in determining schooling, ability to go outside, etc.
    6. The heretofore obvious scientific principle that human trials don’t even begin phase 1 studies until animal toxicology studies are completed, and human trials will need several years to establish a safety profile
    7. The idea that the media best serves a people by offering differing viewpoints, including, in matters pertaining to public health, from experts in the field of virology, epidemiology, and internal medicine.
    8. The long-established principle that natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity.

    I’m sure I overlooked a few whimsical notions, such as right to peaceable assembly, right to free speech, right to privacy and personal autonomy, but at this juncture these are mere historical bagatelles.

    This smorgasbord of casualties of the Great SARS2 panic of 2020 would lead one to wonder who exactly was in the kitchen, preparing such a novel metaphysical feast, that could render common sense not only silenced but vilified.

    • Agree: antitermite
  16. I so appreciate your doggedness in reminding everyone of your early and consistent analysis of the advent and spread of the coronavirus, Mr. Unz. You are performing a public service that should be (but probably won’t be) richly rewarded. As I noted in a short letter I sent you after your last article, I believe the evildoers in our government will short circuit the “narrative terrain” at the point it has reached, because it serves their interest in provoking a war with China.

    I am pleased that you recognize the malevolence of characters like Mike Pompeio and other evil-doers in the deep state, but sadly, I don’t think that Donald Trump can so easily get off the hook. Should the current narrative unravel, no doubt the fall back position of the deep state will be that Trump was responsible for the bioweapon attack. Trump was certainly ill-used by the neocon actors who did all of the dirty work for his administration, but what they “accomplished” was certainly within the parameters of some of the idiotic policies that Trump was spouting. And I’m sure that the neocons were telling him all the while not to worry, that the bioweapon attack would not come home to roost.

    I have a suspicion, finally, that the origins of the virus here in the United States may have been the result of a planned release (sort of a trial balloon) of the virus in the vaping community in the summer or fall of 2019. I found it very curious at the time that Trump was making a big deal about banning flavored vaping products. Why would he have cared? In retrospect, I think that he felt somewhat guilty about the fact that he had gone along with the “experiment” and was horrified that it had killed so many innocent vapers. Just a thought that has been gnawing at me. I was a Trump supporter and would not want to diminish him by having this come out to sully him further at a critical juncture, but the chips, I suppose, fall where they may.

    • Replies: @naill
    , @anon
    , @The Real World
  17. @michael888

    … fortunately 95% of victims are over age 60 globally …

    … and you think that’s a good thing?

    BUT high level politicians mostly survived…

    Well, it goes without saying, that is a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @michael888
  18. Rahan says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    It seems that while on the one hand globohomo did not expect that China really had learned its lesson after SARS and installed tripwires everywhere and made provisions what to initiate instantly once said wires are tripped, on the other hand globohomo did not expect the utter ease with which the demoralized and apathetic westerners decided that “my body is not my choice” concerning vaccination, and “my behavior is not my choice” concerning even the most basic freedoms.

    A big “fail” with China, but a big “win” with the western plebs. The ridiculous ease with which the population went along with everything probably convinced globohomo to accelerate all or at least many programs within their larger agenda, and start doing now what by plan should have been happening between 2030 and 2050. With COVID they lost the battle (China) but won the war (The Great Reset).

    Also, libertarians like Scott Adams instantly jumped on the chance to “unite the nation” by using China as the big baddie, also doing the “they are genociding us with fentanyl and making Uighurs into lampshades” bit, and if he is a weather bell then even the non-corporate rightwing will be super easily suckered by globohomo into an emotionally satisfying dramatic “rocky fights china” performance.

    Conservatives are such retards. Give them a chance and they will instantly be loyal to the system, even if it has been completely taken over, corrupted, infiltrated, and used against them on every conceivable level, to crush them as an ethnicity, as a class, and as a culture.

    When the only non-retards on the right are bizarro outcasts like Roosh and Anglin, this means the rot has gone in super deep. Well, and the Groyper youngsters, of course, but it’s too early to count them as a force.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  19. Emslander says:

    It wasn’t Wade’s article or any other logical basis for changing the war from one enemy to another mid-speech. It’s either a need for further distraction or something very sinister about COVID is about to be revealed. Maybe both.

    • Agree: TKK, Thim
    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Nancy
  20. MarkU says:

    The narrative suggested in the article seems quite plausible but I believe it to be incomplete in many respects. I propose the following timeline:-

    1) Fort Detrick was shut down after a cease and desist order to the organisation in July, 2019 due to multiple violations of procedure.
    2) An outbreak of ‘influenza’ killed something like 10,000 people in the US in August 2019.
    3) In October 2019 there was a US organised event ‘Event 201 – A Global Pandemic Exercise’ which simulated a very similar scenario to the actual pandemic.
    4) From October 18 – 27, the 2019 Military world games was held in Wuhan. The virus was released by the US team presumably as they were about to leave.
    5) November 17, the first officially recognised Covid-19 case is found in Wuhan.

    In this scenario, an accidental release from Fort Detrick occurs, it is recognised that it cannot be stopped, so they decide to try to pin it on the Chinese. Meanwhile a cabal of globalists decide that they may as well capitalise on the situation to carry out their ‘great reset’, cut back civil liberties, promote their ‘vaccines’ and get us all used to carrying our ‘papers’ everywhere we go (except the polling booth apparently because that would be ‘racist’)

    • Thanks: Kali, St-Germain, RichardDuck
  21. Look for another 911 Commission style investigation of this mass murder event.

  22. Thank you Mr Unz, this was the scenario I always suspected to be true.
    American alphabet agencies are going rouge and self funding (i.e raising their own capital to finance their own agendas)
    In short, the USA is a dog with many kind of fleas.
    A plea to fellow Americans. Please out law all these so called secret agencies.

  23. Notsofast says:

    what’s not being discussed here is fauci’s obsession with gain of function research. a moratorium on this research had been declared within the u.s. in 2014, oweing to the dismal results of animal testing at the time. fauci then gave 3 million dollars to the wuhan lab to continue this banned research.

    [MORE]
    on dec 19, 2017 the nih announced it was resuming gain of function research citing h.h.s. guidance on such funding reached earlier that day. at the time h.h.s. was between directors with acting secretary eric hargan giving final approval. fauci had always said gain of function was risky but a risk worth taking. covid19 spike protein appears to be the same spike protein as hiv and was immediately called out as such by dr. montagnier the man who won the nobel prize for first identifying the hiv virus (whos career was ruined by fauci). he claimed it to be a product of genetic engineering (gain of function) and said it would rapidly mutate as it is not as stable as a naturally occurring virus. fast forward to fort detrick being shut down for 8 months for “serious safety violations” in 2019 and the genie was already out of the bottle. at this point they started looking for a fall guy and the wuhan games gave them such. they already knew wuhan was working on this for the same reason we knew about wmds, we had the receipts. all the footing dragging on the roll out of tests along with the botched first set of tests and misinformation (wear a mask, don’t wear a mask, wear six masks) was purposeful to insure maximum distribution for maximum fear factor. fauci now had perfect orange fall guy and an emergency exemption on testing his new gain of function synthetic mrna “vaccines” along with legal immunity from damages caused by these genetic engineering experiments. the race is on now to get everyone to do their “patriotic duty” and get the jab for god and country eliminating any possible control group and covering their tracks.

    • Agree: MarkU
  24. Samala says:

    Bioweapons are not a good idea, unless you can get the relentless march of evolution to stop. Whatever bioweapon you release into the wild will mutate and change along chaotic lines you never imagined.

  25. mapman says:

    Oh god, how ridiculous. Media bloviation aside, the evidence for lab leak is incredibly scarce and in its entirety consists of:

    1. First noticed significant outbreak in proximity to WIV.
    2. Natural reservoir of the ancestor virus not being identified in a little over a year. (Compare with SARS: It took 11 months for the very first report of finding it in palm civets and four years to nail down a natural reservoir in horseshoe bats.)

    Everything else–the impossibility of furin site, the unusual codon usage, the unique adaptation to humans over all other animals, the documented work in WIV on chimeric SARS viruses with the aim to make them more infectious to humans (that work was done in NC, USA and involved a mouse-adapted virus)–is completely and easily verifyably false.

    Oh yes, there are also vague “intelligence reports” that claim various things, none of them backed by any actual facts, all surfacing when it became politically convenient. Do you people never learn? Every swamp-supported hoax in the past few years had been backed by exactly the same kind of intelligence report…

    Sure, a serious investigation is in order simply because lab-made adaptation to humans remains plausible. But in the face of several zoonozes occurring right in from of our eyes in the past couple decades, and with literally no evidence supporting lab leak, acting like lab leak is very likely is utterly idiotic.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @GomezAdddams
  26. Yee says:

    Don’t know whether it’s relevant, but on a financial conference in April, Chinese officials talked about giving up setting limits to the RMB currency exchange rate. Under the current circumstance, it would mean RMB’s appreciation against the US dollar, since the US has been printing money like crazy. And RMB has been going up since May 24th.

    The conference was on April 16th, Nicholas Wade’s article was 2 weeks later. Facebook lifted the ban on May 26th.

    The about-face could be to create a bargining chip to force China to anchor the dollar. Since the result of “investigation” is 3 months away, enough of time for bargining.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  27. As has already been noted, including under a John Derbyshire tongue bathing of Mr. Wade and his Really Scientific article, the propaganda begins with its title:

    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    Like Red+Blue voting, the Establishment doesn’t care which you choose — after all, they’re both ChinaDidIt.

    • Agree: Ever Becoming
  28. Alvin says:

    “Over the last couple of weeks, we have witnessed in real time this sort of stark and sudden reversal in long-held positions with regard to the origins of the global Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world.”

    The virus did not devastate the world. The ensuing lockdowns did. Without government and media propaganda and lies, we would have gone about our lives without noticing a damn thing.

  29. I wrote this question in a previous article about Covid19 from the same author:

    “Is the the new zio-media onslaught against China/Wuhan lab as origin of COVID19 mysteriously simultaneous to China’s business with Iran and support for them, as well as the open support for Palestine?”

    The timing with international events is interesting.

  30. @VICB3

    The reason Unz doesn’t address the Iran question is because he can’t.

    The puzzle pieces seem to fit well enough. Neocons make virus + get into China + infect Iran’s septuagenarian leaders. What a win!

    Except in the case of Iran–how?

    Also, why hasn’t Europe embraced this theory? I can’t think of 750 million people who would love to blame America more than Europe.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Levtraro
    , @ebear
    , @Voltara
  31. That the Iranians were smashed by the bug initially, and the earliest reports from China were that this was a deadly bug, and most importantly, the US warning in early November 2019 of a ‘cataclysmic’ outbreak-to-be would seem to indicate perhaps a wee bit more lethality was envisioned than took place, thankfully. So how did China avoid it when in Iran even (or maybe especially) their ruling elites got mercilessly slammed?

    Seems to me pretty obvious all that well-funded research with Fauci and the US on ‘gain of function’ in Corona viruses at Wuhan was China’s attempt to ‘keep your enemies closer’, and try to keep ahead of the bio-attack curve. Looks like they had just enough lead time to think their response through sufficiently and be somewhat ready before it happened, unlike Iran which was blindsided. I doubt China could have pulled off what they did at the drop of a hat. The Chinese are pretty impressive, but……

    Did the virus simply quickly mutate into a less lethal but more contagious form in the vast social network of human incubators known as inland China? Certainly a possibility. Or maybe the Iranians were hit with a different bug entirely? Who knows?

    What I do know is that I believe Ron’s got some damn good arguments he’s laid out that I’d love to see addressed in the MSM sometime soon!

    • Agree: anonym25, CelestiaQuesta
  32. Ron Unz says:
    @Bragadocious

    The reason Unz doesn’t address the Iran question is because he can’t.

    The puzzle pieces seem to fit well enough. Neocons make virus + get into China + infect Iran’s septuagenarian leaders. What a win!

    Except in the case of Iran–how?

    I already responded to that sort of argument in a comment earlier this month:

    As an aside, your hypothesis is somewhat asymmetrical: the Wuhan games were instrumental for the release in China, but played no part in the release in Iran.

    Sure. But I think the key difference is that America probably doesn’t have large numbers of intelligence operatives in Wuhan, so releasing the virus there might have been much more difficult without the convenient cover of those 300 visiting American military servicemen.

    On the other hand, all the successful assassinations of important Iranian scientists and nuclear sabotage operations over the last few years suggests that we (or the Israelis) already have a large and capable network of agents there, who could be used for that purpose.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/7-million-deaths-from-corona/#comment-4645105

    • Agree: Wade
    • Replies: @A.z
  33. Emslander says:

    What a strange set of contentions. At least Ward has the vague evidence of proximity. Unz has only a bright-eyed theory, based on his obvious prejudices against certain members of the Trump administration.

    I don’t know if this helps, but I have a friend who is very expert on the research into animal health and he said in January 2020 that he knew that the Wuhan lab was doing research on “change” of function in viruses in order to prevent the kind of devastating pork kill that had occurred in China.

    Ignore this information if you dare, Mr. Unz.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  34. S says:

    A year ago Trump was in office and the powers that be wanted him out. They wanted the Wuhan virus and it’s resulting aftermath to be blamed squarely on Trump.

    Now, hook or by crook that Trump has been forced out of office, they’ve got a little world war they wish to gin up between the US/UK and the Chinese and Russians.

    Priorities..priorities..

    The United States is at war with China: the United States has always been at war with China.

  35. Over the last year, pro-China propaganda-activists have widely promoted the completely unsubstantiated theory that the Covid virus had accidentally escaped from Ft. Detrick, America’s own premier biowarfare lab, heavily relying upon the fact that for eight months of 2019 major portions of the facility had been ordered shut down by the CDC for serious safety violations a documented lab leak.

    FIFY, Ron.

  36. Ace says:
    @Ron Unz

    What are those “unorthodox Covid treatment theories,” Mr. Unz? If you mean simply HCQ/zinc/antibiotic or Ivermectin they are hardly unorthodox. If anything it’s the vaccines that are unorthodox in their functioning and unlike previous effective “true” vaccines, if that’s the right term.

    There was an extraordinary effort to remove these apparently effective alternative treatments from the realm of of acceptable debate about the Covid-19 catastrophe and this very much bears keeping in mind with all the other instances of official action and inaction. This studied hostility is in fact one of the important oddities to keep in mind to try to piece together this event. Is it not interesting that there was a similar hyper aversion to consideration of a lab origin for the virus? What the various actors strove to emphasize in fact was an indication, as we now know, of a strong interest in concealment.

    • Agree: ebear, Alfred, Wade, RodW
    • Thanks: Abdul Alhazred
    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @216
    , @Bob
    , @BlackFlag
  37. Levtraro says:
    @Bragadocious

    Also, why hasn’t Europe embraced this theory? I can’t think of 750 million people who would love to blame America more than Europe.

    Say what? European MSM follows the same guidelines as US’s MSM. In fact, as confessed by Udo Ulfkotte, there are cases when EU journos “write” pieces that come directly fron their American handlers. Currently, major EU organs (few examples, The Guardian, Le Figaro, El Pais) are raising the lab-leak theory to prominence in synchrony with what’s happening in the USA.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  38. Ace says:
    @mapman

    Let’s get a look at Dr. Shi’s lab notes then think through the lab leak theory. Right now they’re unavailable for some strange reason. Does that strike you as odd?

    • Replies: @mapman
    , @Ron Unz
    , @GomezAdddams
  39. @anonymous

    Huanan Seafood Market, despite what our media tell us, is not a wet market.
    It’s a seafood market like hundreds of thousands of seafood markets around the world.
    What’s more, it in a big, well-regulated city in a country that has much better public health than the US.

    • LOL: Johnny Rico
  40. The hit to US exceptionalism has been so devastating, even their less nationalistic opinion leaders have to make up excuses. “Oh-uh, Coumo wouldn’t have killed tens of thousands of elders by stacking them high, worse than cows before mad cow disease, were it not a BIOWEAPON.”

    Mr Unz version goes even further on the path of copium we saw after 2001 WTC attacks. Then, like here, it was said such a yuuge hit couldn’t have come from an Arab or a Chinese. “You may think US rulers are incompetent, but look, it’s only a fraction of the Politbureau, the remainder being smart enough to create uniquely effective BIOWEAPONS.”

  41. completely unsubstantiated theory that the Covid virus had accidentally escaped from Ft. Detrick

    I would think the fact that an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID, which could not be clinically distinguished from COVID, whose cause still remains unknown, swept the U.S. in the few months between the documented leak(s) at Fort Detrick and the appearance of COVID in Wuhan, provides substantiation to the theory that COVID is the “agent” that was “released” from “containment” at Fort Detrick due to a “breach” that was characterized as a “failure” of a BSL laboratory’s waste treatment system.

    Unless you have a better explanation for what caused the EVALI epidemic? Or why it suddenly disappeared? The CDC doesn’t.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Thanks: RichardDuck
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jiminy
  42. Emslander says:
    @Ace

    This is the new obsession Unz is having with his adolescent “neocons did it” theories. He’s so interested in discrediting his readers that he’s in a continuous cycle of insult and wild unsupported new claims.

    The treatments proposed by Trump and many responsible, experienced medical people were suppressed and cancelled by Unz’s media heroes, leading to many unnecessarily extended flu experiences.

    If this thread is about Covid, then its phoniness is on point.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Ace
  43. cranc says:
    @Erebus

    Readers here are led further and further on that wild goose chase on a regular basis. You are by no means the first to make these points. One has to wonder why all the smoke ?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  44. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    If this was a rogue operation, it’s misguided to see it as a US vs China affair. The neocons’ main loyalty isn’t to the US but Globalist Hegemony. In other words, they would be capable of carrying out maximum damage to both US and China as long as it benefits globalist hegemony(and doesn’t harm Israel).
    So, instead of a blowback scenario, it could have been a two-pronged attack. One aimed at China, and the purpose might have less economic than political, i.e. the pandemic and economic downturn would finally make the Chinese masses rebel against the Beijing government. So, even though the immediate impact would have been economic, the ultimate goal would likely have been political. Discredit the CCP regime in the eyes of the Chinese. The regime acted swiftly and powerfully however, and even though such measures would have been seen as tyrannical and draconian in the West, perhaps Chinese respect a strong show of will and power. Thus, the CCP regime wasn’t delegitimized.

    If the rogue elements did see the world in terms of China vs US and didn’t want a blowback, they would have done everything to make US authorities take strong measures. But even as the news of a pandemic in China was spreading across social media, both political parties seemed disengaged. Also, Trump seemed more like a deer in the headlight than asleep in the wheel. The fact is he would have taken it more seriously if those around him and those in the media made a big deal of the issue. But on the occasion when Trump did mention the crisis in China and called for travel restrictions, he got massive pushback from the Democrats and the media as a demagogue and xenophobe. Thus, Trump probably felt that the Establishment wasn’t alarmed by it, so why should he be. But it seems he was being played. When he did try to get ahead of the issue, he was called a fear-monger and bigot. Democrats were calling for Chinese New Year celebrations in the streets and called on voters to hug Chinese people. So, naturally Trump thought Covid wouldn’t be much of an issue.
    But just when he let his guard down, the Establishment pushed a new narrative. A deadly pandemic is coming to American shores but Trump didn’t do anything. But Trump got caught off-guard because all indications around him and from the other Party was that the disease was no big deal, nothing to get worked up over.
    What about the fact that there’s ample record of Democrats being as negligent as Trump? Wouldn’t it have been damaging to the Democrats as well? Well, the top leader always get most of the blame, and furthermore, the Narrative is controlled by the globalists. (Governor Cuomo reacted horribly but got protection from the media.) Also, there is role of partisanship. Even Democratic voters who know full well that the likes of Pelosi and Schumer didn’t sound the alarm prefer to go with the Narrative if only to get rid of Trump.

    Even if only a few rogue operators were involved directly, they surely got the wink-wink go-ahead from some very powerful people. Also, once the events were unfolding in a certain way, surely the likes of Pelosi and others suspected that *something* was up, that there was a plot being hatched against China and/or Trump. If so, why not sound the alarm about bad behavior in the deep state? LOL. Nihilism and Fear. Most of these people in government and deep state only care about power and control. They are utterly without scruples and principles.
    Also, there is the fear factor. If anyone dared voice suspicions, he would be targeted by a massive campaign. Trump was nearly toppled by a total bogus Russia Collusion Hoax, and those behind the scheme are still in the deep state. And look what happened to Tulsi Gabbard for showing an ounce of scruples. No good deed goes unpunished in the halls of power.

    As for the Republicans, they fear the Democrats as the stronger power and know the Deep State is with the globalists. Also, most of them are grifters who hate Trump because populism means they actually have to represent and fight for their constituents against the Deep State and Establishment, something they are too afraid to do. Much easier to take donor money and make personal gains as ‘beautiful losers’ than be brave and get bruised to win ‘ugly’ battles. Also, politicians are essentially vetted for key personality traits. Over time, only those with toady personalities got to enter the gate. They got no fight in them. So, when Trump arrived with populism, it was like someone leading the charge into battle. But most GOP politicians had no will to fight. Why get bloodied in a battle when there’s more to be had as bought-off mercenaries who only put on the charade of being the opposition?

    If the two-pronged attack didn’t work on China(as the CCP regime showed strength and resolve), it certainly worked to unseat Trump by sinking the economy and enabling extraordinary measures during the 2020 election that made fraud both massive and undetectable. But then, the China is one-party state whereas Trump couldn’t take tough measures at the start even if he wanted to because the Democrats, RINOS, mass media, and deep state wouldn’t have allowed it under his lead.
    Any utterance by Trump that something should be done about Covid before the outbreak in the US was either ignored, ridiculed, or mocked as bigoted. So, it seems the powers-that-be made sure that Trump’s hands would be tied against taking any tough measure. This led Trump to believe that Covid wouldn’t be a big deal in 2020. After all, even his biggest enemies weren’t making an issue of it. So, his guard was down, but just when the outbreak happened in the US, the Narrative blamed Trump for the mess. The very powers-that-be that were treating the disease as no big deal(and thus made Trump drop his guard) suddenly shifted course and blamed Trump for the lack of vigilance.

    [MORE]

    This is where Trump was most like a deer in the headlights. Not so much about the disease but about the plot against him. It was like a basketball move. The guy with the ball fakes to the right and then moves left and makes the basket. Deep State faked the move in one way(Covid is no big deal and Trump should calm down) the moved the other way for the kill(Covid is a real killer and Trump didn’t do anything about it).
    Even if there had been an outbreak in the US, Trump would have fared much better if he showed himself to be ahead and top of the game. But, apparently his queries on the Chinese pandemic were met with assurances from those around him. Also, the Democrats and the media were hostile to his proposals for restricting travel to and from China. Because Trump dropped his guard, the other side owned the ball, and the most he could do for the rest of the year was play catch-up. Funny that the disease, along with BLM riots, broke out in 2020, the year of election.

    In the end, it wasn’t the disease itself but the exploitation of it that undermined so much of the world, especially as so much of the media is really an arm of the deep state. Any government that didn’t go along with the Narrative and lockdown could be attacked as uncaring and cruel. So, even regimes that were skeptical of the seriousness of the disease had no choice but to lockdown. As for Third World government, going along with the Narrative would have meant lots of foreign aid, that is if they complied with globalist demands. “We got covid, give us lots of aid, etc.” Good way for Third World rulers to do the grift with the First World.

    As for how the disease was created if indeed it was created as a bio-weapon, it sounds ghoulish to think that US scientists would work on such project. Perhaps, they just do as told or only care about the science without ethical concerns. But surely, many of them do have some sense of ethics and would play whistle-blower if ordered to create bio-weapons. Maybe I’m being naive. Maybe the prizes are too big and punishment too severe.
    Or perhaps, most scientists involved didn’t know they were working on a bio-weapon because they were assigned to work on certain specialized areas. In other words, it isn’t a bio-weapon until all the constituent elements were brought together. It’s like people who are made to make only a piece of the gun wouldn’t know it will become part of a deadly weapon. This suggests there was a mastermind who had a bio-weapon in mind but ordered scientists to work on bits and pieces of the puzzle. It was only when the mastermind took the bits and put them together that they turned into a bio-weapon. Thus, most scientists who worked on it wouldn’t even know they worked on a bio-weapon. They likely thought they were just doing research on virus and disease. Fauci himself seems too stupid to have been the mastermind. He seems more like a mouthpiece.

    In The Godfather Part II, Hyman Roth plays it ‘beautifully'(in Tom Hagen’s words) when he orders Rosato Brothers to make a mock-hit on Pantangeli and make it seem like Michael was behind it, thus turning Pantangeli against Michael when it had been Roth all along. If the rogue theory is true, something like this might have happened.

    • Agree: anonym25, Dnought
    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @anonym25
  45. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ever Becoming

    I would think the fact that an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID, which could not be clinically distinguished from COVID

    Other than both affecting primarily lungs, the two have hardly anything in common, with obviously distinct presentation. Not to mention completely distinct epidemiology, with EVALI showing no sign of being contagious beyond being “contagious” as something like obesity.

    • Troll: Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @naill
    , @Atomada
    , @Vidi
  46. Feuerbach says:

    I don’t know Wade, he might have connections to US intelligence, but the sudden reversal in mainstream media is preparing everyone for the National COVID Commission.

    http://edwardcurtin.com/second-stage-terror-wars/

    Philip Zelikow, the deep state swamp animal responsible for the fictional 9/11 Commission Report, is head of the COVID Commission planning group.

    In six months the official narrative in the West will be that COVID is 100% a Chinese bioweapon and that China needs to be punished by all means possible. Just wait and see.

    • Agree: Miro23, RichardDuck
  47. Miro23 says:

    The most likely suspects would be rogue elements of our national security establishment, probably some of the Deep State Neocons whom Trump had placed near the top of his administration.

    This small handful of high-level plotters would have then drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus to actually carry out the operation.

    Agree that the evidence points in their direction. This Neocon/CIA/Deep state crowd have years of experience plus a track record of dirty undercover work around the globe. Also, there may not be just a small handful of them. Their operations are closely synchronized with the MSM to propagandize “events” such that the public gets the right spin at high volume from day one.

    For example, when the Covid-19 story broke, the public almost instantly learned about Wuhan wet markets, bats, caves and animal-human transmission (no investigation necessary). The 9/11 story worked the same way. From day 1 the public received a detailed pre-prepared story, at blank out volume, about Arab terrorist pilots, Osama Bin Laden, caves in Afghanistan, pilot training schools etc. (again no investigation necessary).

    The current Covid-19 project went public when the virus was introduced into Wuhan – with the MSM embedding the idea of the “China Virus”. It appeared in the West (maybe not blowback) and became the China Virus – wrecking western economies – accompanied by orchestrated MSM hysteria (forcing excessive lockdowns and excessive economic damage).

    So, when the damage is plain to see, the story suddenly changes.

    The “China Virus” mutates into the “China Lab Virus” which is only a step away from the “China Biological Weapon Lab Virus” (used to attack us). One way or another, China is being set up, the same a Iraq was set up by WMD – and it’s the same people doing it.

    It’s clear that China isn’t Iraq, but the Neo-cons have probably still made the (very high risk) calculation that the US has sufficient power to defeat China in a conventional war in the South China Sea. Western forces are already heading there, and the US has done a “U” turn with Putin/Russia (for example on Nord Stream 2) presumably to try to keep them neutral.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @lysias
    , @Herald
  48. Erebus says:
    @cranc

    You are by no means the first to make these points.

    I’m neither the first nor the only, but they’re worth making as often as the smoke gets released.

    IMHO, exploring those questions will not only pay dividends regarding the origins of the virus, but much more importantly yield clues regarding motives and, by extension the direction(s) that the pandemic meme is taking us.

    Viruses have come and gone for billions of years, but this time the entire world reacted with astonishing coordination and singularity of purpose. A reaction, moreover that seems oddly incongruous not only with the actual threat, but with its claimed purpose.

    That’s surely the most interesting aspect of this moment in history and so it’s what begs the most interesting questions.

    • Agree: Nancy, ebear, Emslander, Kali, FB, Voltara
    • Replies: @FB
  49. Eastasia? Oceania maybe.

  50. #covidhoax was Barney the Dinosaur propped up as a Jurassic Park T-Rex.

    With globalists’ tyrannical “test run” mostly over, data collected and lives and economies left in ruins, it’s better for them to throw Fraudci & Friends to the wolves while they quietly slip out the back.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @GMC
  51. anonymous[437] • Disclaimer says:

    “The most likely suspects would be rogue elements… drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus… CIA operatives or members of special forces… sent to Wuhan to release it. … would have believed that they were participating in a fully authorized military strike”

    In procedural terms this is demonstrably exactly what happened. But in terms of the implications we ought to RTFM. The relevant manual being, of course, State Responsibility for Internationally Wrongful Acts.

    https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/commentaries/9_6_2001.pdf

    The relevant section is Chapter II, Attribution of Conduct to a State. Article 7 makes it clear that letting rogue elements run wild doesn’t get you off the hook: “The conduct of an organ of a State or of a person or entity empowered to exercise elements of the governmental authority shall be considered an act of the State under international law if the organ, person or entity acts in that capacity, even if it exceeds its authority or contravenes instructions.”

    The world knows how CIA works, breaking the law behind the back of demented vegetables they installed.

    Under Chapter III SARS-COV-2 is a serious breach by the the US CIA command structure of an obligation arising under peremptory norms of international law, that is, sneak attack using banned biological weapons in breach of the 1929 Geneva Convention, the BWTC, and Hague Convention (III.)

    Article 34 sets out state responsibility as restitution, compensation with interest, or satisfaction, which may include prosecution of specified CIA criminals, since Article 58 reads, “These articles are without prejudice to any question of the individual responsibility under international law of any person acting on behalf of a State.” That is to say, individual CIA criminals are subject to prosecution or extradition in universal jurisdiction law with no statute of limitations. But their criminal conduct is state conduct for which the state must pay. And every country in the world has got a beef.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
  52. GayDad69 says:

    Ctrl f “Gain of Function”

    No results from Ron.

    The collaboration between the US government and the sinos in regards to gain of function research in Wuhan clearly indicates our traitorous elites (many of whom are jewish) were working with the sinos on this project… yet you haven’t mentioned it. It puts a damper on your “IT WAS THE USA ALL ALONG, SCOOB!” theory, which is not what the sinos – or you, apparently – want.

    Are you married to a chinese woman? You’re clearly holding water for the sinos, I wonder if that’s why?

    Even the so-called “Alternative Media” these days has not legitimacy.

  53. mapman says:

    Re: “Gain of function”

    Does everyone here realize that GoF has no precise definition? That it is in fact much fuzzier than most other definitions? Think of GoF as “racism” – it can mean anything one wants it to mean! Practically any mutagenesis screen can be called a gain of function (even if it is in fact a loss of function). As such, e.g., just about any genetic research on tuberculosis can be claimed to constitute a GoF research.

    A narrow meaning could be accepted for the purpose of this debate: “Any research that explicitly aims to generate organisms more pathogenic to humans”.

    Under this definition, it’s not very likely that the Chinese contributed to Covid. Why? Well, how about “because they are not stupid”?

    • Replies: @Humbert Humbert
  54. lloyd says: • Website

    Ron Unz’s article however fascinating does not once mention Israel. The attack on China is explained as economic warfare. But why was Iran made the next priority? Only Israel hates Iran so much as to wish its leadership dead. China is America’s Deep State bird, and Iran is Israel’s. Playing Hamlet without Hamlet?

  55. 216 says: • Website
    @Ace

    It’s not our house, not our rules.

    The mistake our people make time after time is violating the rules as a power trip. That’s why our people are banned from all the Big Tech platforms.

    We are free to argue against the “vaccine passport” and argue against mandatory vaccination.

    • Replies: @Ace
  56. mapman says:
    @Ace

    Let’s get a look at Dr. Shi’s lab notes then think through the lab leak theory. Right now they’re unavailable for some strange reason. Does that strike you as odd?

    Not at all. On two very familiar levels it is easy to see why the Chinese find it unacceptable:

    1. They know how propaganda works: “Give them a finger, they will attempt to bite a whole hand”. In this, the Chinese are (for very good reasons) very apprehensive about the whole investigation being turned into a never-ending series of political gotchas based on relatively minor biosafety violations that may be discovered (something that every BSL-4 lab in the world is always fretting about).

    2. They are reluctant to voluntarily open up 100% of what they view as their crowning scientific achievements – something that’s guaranteed to be a result of the kind of intrusive investigation demanded by the US Congress critters.

    Bottom line is, regardless of whether they are guilty or not, they view it as a lose-lose proposition.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Ben the Layabout
  57. Ron Unz says:
    @Ace

    Let’s get a look at Dr. Shi’s lab notes then think through the lab leak theory. Right now they’re unavailable for some strange reason. Does that strike you as odd?

    Sure, it’s perfectly fair that the Chinese provide the world full access to Dr. Shi’s lab notes…so long as America does the same with all of our own researchers at Ft. Detrick!

  58. The key question. Why did the US government fund such research in China? Why not in the USA? That can never be answered without revealing embarrassing secrets.

    • Replies: @RichardDuck
  59. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    … with regard to the origins of the global Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world.

    I stopped reading here.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    , @TKK
  60. BLESTO-V says:

    It’s Orwellian to call New York Magazine “prestigious.”

  61. TG says:

    An interesting post.

    I kind of favor the lab leak hypothesis, because I know just how careless scientists are (myself included), and the push to get major fundable work done quickly can easily throw caution aside. Still, that nothing was (apparently) published about “gain of function” research is concerning.

    And I could believe any amount of stupidity from our so-called elites, but that’s not proof of anything.

    Still, I can’t see that the media about-face about the “lab leak” hypothesis had anything to do with a well written independent article, well, color me totally skeptical. Since when has our media cared about reason or facts? The about-face on this issue by the corporate press simply has to be due to some other agenda, not facts, not reason.

  62. “I think a strong case may be made that the Covid epidemic has been the most important global event since World War II”

    Not even close. The most important—and most tragic event—since World War II has been the Western elites’ betrayal of their countrymen, which betrayal took the form of inviting the hordes of Africa and the Moslem world to invade our homelands, dispossess us, and attack us. Covid-19, if it exists at all, is a mere cold virus. It has not substantially raised the death rate. Old people and sick people have always been carried off by respiratory viruses in large numbers. The only difference between now and then is that each one of those deaths has become a news event. Nothing unusual is going on in terms of public health, only in terms of mass hysteria.

    • Agree: St-Germain
    • Replies: @St-Germain
  63. @anon

    Same here. A virus that, if it exists at all, only kills those who were about to die anyway—the Italians let escape that the average victim is 81 years old and has 2.7 comorbidities—has not, by any imaginable standard, devastated the world. What has affected the world is the hysterical faggotry.

    Did the US or China release the virus?

    No.

    • Agree: Robert Bruce
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  64. I have to disagree.

    With absolute, total control of the narrative in the MSM and all western news. The focus of the stupid public would be Wuhan lab leak. Not bioweapon attack on China. At the very least, G7 and the QUAD public would be fed this nonstop from now on. And they would believe it.

    The timing for this is new narrative is the vaccination numbers in the USA.

    • Agree: R2b
  65. TKK says:
    @Emslander

    Yes. Something is off.

    The MSM and it’s tentacles have crushed all dissent, probably stole an election and installed their candidate. Why reverse course now?

    Cui bono???

  66. Nancy says:
    @Erebus

    Well summed up..IMO. And just to add, the gob-smacking, brazen censorship in the face of provable facts! Something, indeed, stinks to high heaven in Denmark.

  67. Nancy says:
    @Emslander

    Well, ‘Cyber Polygon’ is fast approaching. To serve the same purpose as the ‘201 Event’ ?

  68. @Erebus

    Zimbabwe’ death rate fell to zero within 2 weeks after rescinding their ban on Ivermectin. Delhi’s death rate is collapsing shortly after rescinding their ban.

    We can add Nigeria to that list. I’m in Australia. I went to my doctor and asked for an Ivermectin prescription so we in this house would have it in a cupboard on standby, just in case one of us was infected.

    He said that was impossible, he’d lose his job / career.

    But he said he’d travelled to Nigeria in the past (or maybe a few weeks ago, I didn’t quiz him) and had stayed in touch. He said Ivermectin was the treatment there.

    And you say Zimbabwe’s death rate fell to zero after rescinding their ban. Wow! With stats like that, obviously, obviously, obviously the best treatment, and costs next to nothing, why the ban, there, here, everywhere, excepting a few independent countries?

    Oh yes. Costs next to nothing. That can’t be allowed by Big Pharma. So, the ban.

    So was it America’s bio-warfare against China or was it Big Pharma’s bio-warfare against us all, for the money, that produced this plague?

    I wonder if Russia, like Zimbabwe, India, Nigeria, allows Ivermectin, despite having developed the best vaccines.

    • Replies: @DrWatson
  69. Anon62 says:

    three Wuhan lab researchers had fallen seriously ill during November 2019 . . .

    But what if these three had all been in attendance at the Wuhan Military Games a month earlier? What if they caroused with the US athletes and later showed the same athletes around the exotic sights of Wuhan such as the delictable bats on offer in the seafood market?

    The Wuhan metro is like the NYC subway, a heavily utilized transportation network. What if rowdy American marines, sick French paras, a few unwell Iranian sharpshooters, and one or two wretchedly sick Italian corporals all used the Wuhan metro as the primary means of getting between their events and their hotels each day?

    What are the implications of these events for the citizens of Wuhan? Will the US intelligence services investigate these aspects of urban transportation networks and diligently report on the potential to communicate disease?

    It must be noted that nothing in the preceding paragraphs adduces any evidence as to the origin of the virus. All that is being described is a highly likely mode of transmission in a densely populated urban centre. Does any reader hold the belief that reading other peoples mail, listening in to their telephone conversations, or “scraping” up bits of their social media, represents a scientifically valid means of determining the origin of a pathogen which has killed a significant number of people, destroyed livelihoods, and given rise to highly repressive authoritarian liberal democracies? Will those same highly repressive authoritarian liberal democracies have any genuine interest in an accurate identification of origin?

    Is there any reason to believe that the UK variant, or the South African variant, or the Indian variant of COVID, all of which are reported to be of increased lethality and heightened communicability, were each of them the product of a laboratory? Does anyone truly believe nature regularly generates mutations and variance?

    As to Mr Wade and his reported brilliance can someone please enlighten me with respect to the options foreclosed when he titles an essay: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  70. Nancy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Did Fauci/Ecohealth pay for that work? and thereby have a legal right to the notebooks? Also, I can understand China’s interest in countering devastating diseases that destroyed their pork, wheat, and ?, production. Hope someone is working on healthy banana production… or we lose the delicious Cavendish!

  71. @Neuromancer

    Yes indeed. As far as I know, FB still censors Unz.com links. That’s where the real threat to the system lies.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  72. Blade2 says:

    This does not at all address why China was releasing footage of people convulsing and dying in the streets in early 2020. What purpose did this propaganda serve if they were not complicit in generating a false sense of fear about the virus?

    • Replies: @naill
  73. anonym25 says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve been saying as well that both China and Trump were ultimately the main victims of this whole affair. China did its thing and locked down the Hubei province extremely fast just when the outbreak was about to spin out of control. Trump, on the other hand, wasn’t so lucky and messed up his own intervention. But, we need to explain why Trump showed extreme resentment towards China after he had praised on several occasions Xi Jin Ping’s handlings of the situation back in january 2020.

    However, Xi Jin Ping didn’t let Trump start an investigation about the outbreak after he had withdrawn US scientists from the Wuhan lab back in late september 2019 and this is where mutual suspicion between both presidents grew, I believe.

  74. “ 4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.”

    I disagree with this hypothesis, I caught the SARS virus on the central coast of California, my home state. SARS did arrive here, even though my general practitioner and respiratory special was unable to to determine my constant coughing for three weeks, it wasn’t until I checked into emergency, and after extensive testing, the ER doctor determined I had SARS.

    Was it a Pretrial run for C19, I do believe it was. The deep state was targeting specific individuals in specific areas for the ultimate aim of eliminating those they want to silence. C19 was their finale solution for mass infection with the final finishing Black Death 2.0 soon to arrive to distract from the previous and so on and so on until we are no more.

    They really do want to kill us all.

  75. utu says:

    What if the virus is natural? We are still missing scientific refereed papers giving the best proof that the virus is man made. What we have seen so far are works by bloggers like Yuri Deigin who subsequently was a co-author of a paper with Rossana Segreto (who unlike him is associated with legitimate research institution where she is a postdoc):

    The genetic structure of SARS-CoV-2 does not rule out a laboratory origin (17 November 2020)
    Rossana Segreto, Yuri Deigin
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202000240

    This paper however was criticized:

    There is no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 laboratory origin: Response to Segreto and Deigin (09 March 2021)
    Alexander Tyshkovskiy, Alexander Y. Panchin

    These and other arguments significantly weaken the hypothesis of a laboratory origin for SARS-CoV-2, while the hypothesis of a natural origin is consistent with all available genetic and experimental data.

    Naturally occurring indels in multiple coronavirus spikes (Nov 2020)
    Robert F. Garry and William R. Gallaher
    https://virological.org/t/naturally-occurring-indels-in-multiple-coronavirus-spikes/560

    Proponents of theories for the unnatural origin of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) have asserted that the 12 nucleotide insert in the spike gene, which results in acquisition of a furin cleavage site in spike, may have arisen by laboratory manipulation (Relman, 2020; Segreto and Deigin, 2020; Seyran et al., 2020; Sirotkin and Sirotkin, 2020). Here, we compile evidence demonstrating that insertion/deletion (indel) events at the S1/S2 and S2’ protease cleavage sites of the spike precursors are commonly occurring natural features of coronavirus evolution. We also identify heretofore undescribed similarities in the S1/S2 and S2’ cleavage sites of multiple diverse coronavirus spikes that provide further evidence against a laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2.

    Spike protein mutations in novel SARS-CoV-2 ‘variants of concern’ commonly occur in or near indels.
    Robert F. Garry1, Kristian G. Andersen, William R. Gallaher, Tommy Tsan-Yuk Lam, Karthik Gangaparapu, Alaa Abdel Latif, Brandon J. Beddingfield, Andrew Rambaut10 and Edward C. Holmes
    https://virological.org/t/spike-protein-mutations-in-novel-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-commonly-occur-in-or-near-indels/605

    Hence, analyses suggesting that the evolutionary origins of the RmYN02 S1/S2 cleavage site can be revealed by a simple nucleotide alignment (Segreto and Deigin, 2020) are overly simplistic. The current analysis shows that indel regions 1, 6 and 7, like indel region 8, are complex. These four evolutionarily volatile regions have been subjected to more than one and possibly several insertion or deletion events during sarbecovirus evolution, which cannot be defined by superficial analyses of the underlying nucleotide sequence.

    Then there is a paper that already has been hailed by Daily Mail (read MI6 organ of disinfo) to be a breakthrough proving lab origin by one British and one Norwegian scientists:

    EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 ‘has NO credible natural ancestor’ and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with ‘retro-engineering’ to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims (28 May 2021)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

    Their paper (Angus Dalgleish and Birger Sørensen) is not published yet but I saw it preprint (which unfortunately now I can’t find) which did note impress to be objective and very scientific. The paper cr;clearly had an agenda and was very weak on arguments.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Mark Hunter
  76. @Rahan

    Isn’t it convenient that Global Homo HIV/AIDS killed 38 million with another 35 million incubators spreading it around with impunity. Then all of a sudden, C19 arrives and those 35 million HIV/AIDS incubators disappeared from the face of the earth.
    It makes you wonder how many Global Homos died from C19. A convenient way to alter ones death certificate to cover up the spread of Global Homo HIV/AIDS.
    As Joe PopCorn once said, “this is phucing big”.

    • Thanks: Rahan
  77. ebear says:
    @Bragadocious

    “Except in the case of Iran–how?”

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/148223/Iran-ready-to-export-gas-to-China-via-IP-gas-pipeline-Jahangiri

    https://irannewsdaily.com/2021/04/iran-china-agreement-nullifies-usa-sanctions/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2020/07/17/china-and-iran-approach-massive-400-billion-deal/?sh=7aaef6752a16

    All of which would require high level contact between the two countries, including follow-ups by subordinate agencies.

    It could have been inadvertently introduced by a Chinese delegation, or done clandestinely by elements hostile to the increasing cooperation between the two nations. Take your pick.

    As for Milan, it is the center of the the Italian garment industry, with many connections to China and many Chinese employed there.

    • Replies: @dgh
    , @Admiral Assbar
  78. utu says:

    Perhaps I am too jaded and too cynical but I was not born yesterday so I do not get Ron Unz’s excitement bordering on righteous outrage about discovering the example of Orwellian phase shift. This is normal, always was and always will be. Important issues of great political implications can’t be left w/o official narrative that must be guarded and protected while the opposite narratives must be suppressed. Besides the new narrative about lab leak in China is not new. From the day one it has been floated in Israel, UK and US. Probably only because Trump was partial to it that narrative was suppressed and did not get official approval and traction right away.

    I would be more interested in looking into why the virus eradication policy similar to that in China, Taiwan and NZ was not opted for in the West. In fact eradication was never put on the table. There was even a lot of opposition against much less restrictive ‘flatten the curve’ strategy which in long run is not too effective while the ‘let it rip’ option had many advocates in high places (Sunetra Gupta of Oxford had some dealings with MOD when she became the face of the anti-lockdown approach and concocted fraudulent paper claiming that the pandemic was almost over in the UK).

    The question is whether the indolence and stupidity exhibited in the West is what some actors actually wanted. If you want to blame China for something and have a legitimate claims against China you must show injuries China caused. It is not impossible that US Congress will allow individual Americans sue China for damages and suffering they experience as the result of criminal neglect and mendacity of Chinese government.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Anon
  79. @Ace

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-06-01/Huge-hole-in-coronavirus-lab-leak-idea--10JuhpepGus/index.html

    “Doctor Watson is not an astronomer old chap !” and what is a lab—a dog –a retiever??

  80. Anonymous[988] • Disclaimer says:

    We may never know the truth. Even the theory of man-made virus could still be a cover-up.
    In terms of motivation, it could also be companies that develop new vaccines that released the virus.

    Motivation:
    mRNA vaccines could never take off and Moderna could get broke in an alternative world, if it were not for Covid-19.

    https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
    https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2016/AstraZeneca-and-Moderna-Therapeutics-announce-new-collaboration-to-co-develop-and-co-commercialise-immuno-oncology-mRNA-therapeutics-11012016.html#!

    Evidence:
    The dark past of vaccine companies in recent years.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_attenuated_influenza_vaccine?wprov=sfla1

  81. …the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source.

    Which is to say the government ordered 40% of pig herds to be destroyed after a handful died (or tested positive, I don’t know) as a prophylactic measure to “slow the spread”.

  82. @Ray Caruso

    Mother Nature is a mysterious entity and her tectonic sons keep this global warming issue red hot and keeps scholars such as Greta Thunberg delivering speeches. Those Chinese now have a new treatment for reducing both suphide and carbon monoxide emissions from coal exhaust ——to almost 0 pollutants from burning Coal —–proven in Serbia —is this why Clinton bombed Serbia –or was it over the Lolita Express??

  83. Israel Shamir’s recent article mentions how bomb threats the world over have to be taken seriously.
    Yet almost every time it turns out to be a hoax.

    When your country is ringed with hostile biowarfare labs, then so too must every “virus scare” be addressed as if it’s the real thing.
    Especially when there are telling factors, such as recent military games with suspicious characters.

    Unlike a bomb, a pathogen continues to be a threat after the “explosion”. And moreso as time passes.
    The disruption, the social political & economic damage caused by a fake virus can be just as great as the real thing.
    That’s one of the take-home messages that would have been learned from Event 201.

    China and Russia could not take any risks because what if it were not a hoax?

    Some interesting statistics here:

    http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

    .. more questions than answers, but points to deliberate engineering & targeting (even if the virus – or rebranded cold/flu – is so weak that only the decrepit succumb).

  84. It is simple.
    The Jew does not view Truth as objective and innate the way Europeans, the founders of a Scientific Revolution, do.
    We need an Independent commission to investigate the jew spew media’s manipulation of Covid-19, aka Sars Cov-2, for political purposes.
    We then need to execute all the liars and scum, owners and editors that is.
    After we clear out the media filth, we then need to go after AIPAC and tear that corrupt swamp apart for espionage, corruption, etc. More executions iow.
    Then we go after Congress, the Senate and Senior bureaucracy.
    Once we have control over politics we amend the Supreme Court, election finance and more.

    The final nut is the Pentagon-MIC.
    With this last power broken, we then expell every jew and half-jew.
    This is a blue print for America First.
    2 Years. One and done.

  85. Emslander says:
    @Miro23

    Explain who the neocons were that would have had the temerity to execute this plan. You’re blowing the same smoke out your orifices that Unz spews. It’s an idiotic theory with a preposterousness rating of ten!

  86. GMC says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Absolutely, Biden can’t start a new RussiaGate, so they will start the CoronaGate up , with the same Intel guys running the show. Then the boyz will slip out the back, as noted.

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  87. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    Sure, it’s perfectly fair that the Chinese provide the world full access to Dr. Shi’s lab notes…so long as America does the same with all of our own researchers at Ft. Detrick!

    Based on what foundation? The Ron Unz (Nobody) theory of the week?

    I’d personally like to see Fort Detrick bulldozed over, plowed under and the earth salted in perpetuity where it now exists, but your “demand” is silly pouting.

  88. meamjojo says:

    IF Covid-19 WAS a Chinese bio-weapon, they did a crap poor job of building it, since it only wound up killing a relatively small percentage of infected people.

    Or was the goal not to kill people but instead to soften them up to accept w/o hesitancy whatever is in the concoction that is being put into many millions of arms? On this basis, it was a success!

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
    , @Skeptikal
  89. JWalters says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I agree as far as you go. But if we consider that the Israelis did the JFK and RFK assassinations, and 9/11 with its anthrax attacks (anthrax from USA’s Fort Detrick), and the peculiarly quick COVID deaths among Iran’s top leaders, and the oligarchy plundering of America’s economy under cover of COVID, it seems to me the Israelis and their oligarchy backers are the most logical suspects.

    And now evidence that COVID may have been engineered to pass over a particular ethnic group.
    “Cynthia McKinney on “When China Sneezes” —the Best COVID Book Yet”
    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_cynthia-mckinney-on-when-china-sneezes-the-best-covid-book-yet/

  90. Thank you Mr Unz for that article.

    Maybe we should also take the Epstein link to all that madness. What do you people think of this?:

    http://visupview.blogspot.com/2021/05/give-em-enough-rope.html

  91. DrWatson says:

    Let’s keep a record of the willing idiots who let their names used to debunk the lab-origin theory of Covid-19:

    “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2

    Kristian G. Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, W. Ian Lipkin, Edward C. Holmes & Robert F. Garry

    Nature Medicine volume 26, pages 450–452 (2020)

    To the Editor — Since the first reports of novel pneumonia (COVID-19) in Wuhan, Hubei province, China1,2, there has been considerable discussion on the origin of the causative virus, SARS-CoV-23 (also referred to as HCoV-19)4. Infections with SARS-CoV-2 are now widespread, and as of 11 March 2020, 121,564 cases have been confirmed in more than 110 countries, with 4,373 deaths5.

    SARS-CoV-2 is the seventh coronavirus known to infect humans; SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can cause severe disease, whereas HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E are associated with mild symptoms6. Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data. We offer a perspective on the notable features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which they could have arisen. Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

    All the authors work at prestigious institutes, notably Kristian G. Andersen at the Scripps Institute and W. Ian Lipkin at Columbia University. They already “knew” last year that the virus is NOT a “laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus”. Pathetic fools.

  92. Vojkan says:

    An immediate total lockdown at the very start of an epidemic seems like a disproportionate response and only makes sense if the Chinese authorities thought that their country was the target of biological warfare.

    As for the MSM, I don’t think they are merely “cowardly or incompetent”, they are quite bold and skilful at character assassination or promotion of war. I think rather that they revel in complacency, mendacity and servility.

  93. ‘In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.’

    I am not sure this is true. In any epidemic, a principal cause of economic harm is the use of stringent mass quarantine measures to contain the disease. In the case of covid 19, governments have struggled to maintain public compliance to such measures, due to the relatively low risk of morbidity and mortality associated with the disease.

    To ensure this compliance has required a concerted and continuing effort by governments and the media to instill a sense of fear of the disease that is disproportionate to the actual risks it presents to individuals and societies. A high communicability high lethality disease would be more effective in causing economic damage because it would necessitate stringent and prolonged quarantine measures while ensuring indefinite public compliance with these measures.

  94. Schuetze says:

    There is another alternative news site besides UR that has been continually hammering for over a year on the lab leak and bio-warfare aspect of this plandemic: Trunews.

    On Friday May 28 Trunews was hit with a “Corona Virus Cluster” and Rick Wiles is in the hospital.

    https://gab.com/TRUNEWS/posts/106304090417953625

    “Flowing Streams is experiencing a sudden cluster of flu and Covid among some employees and their relatives. Rick Wiles made the decision tonight to close the offices and studios until a TBA date next week.

    Our team needs to tend to sick family members. Please pray for your TruNews team.”

    To me it is pretty clear that this was a hit, especially in light of it happening precisely at the same time that their “wild covid” narrative falls apart.

    Since Ron Unz is almost as big a thorn in their side as Rick Wiles, I would suggest that Ron Unz should double his vitamin C, D and Zinc intake and make sure he has plenty of Ivermectine and Hydroychloroquine on hand. Also I would suggest that Ron should stock up on fly swatters and keep his eye and ears open for mysterious nano-drones and insects buzzing around.

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  95. The bioweapon thesis can be discounted by the thought that serious bioweapon development is necessarily paralleled by development of a countermeasure. You have to be able to protect your own people before you release the bioweapon into the wild. Since no effective countermeasure to Covid-19 has appeared anywhere one doubts the bioweapon proposal.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  96. JLGS says: • Website

    Ron Unz = controlled dissidence

  97. Z-man says:

    You have to thank Tucker Carlson for keeping Glen Greenwald alive (relevant) and the late Don Imus with respect to Matt Taibbi for doing the same.
    If not known for anything else Taibbi will be immortalized for this; Taibbi described Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”. [50] From Wikipedia.

    • Agree: TKK, Bill
    • Replies: @Miro23
  98. dimples says:

    Mr Unz’s horse is dead but he continues to flog it while still believing it to exhibit signs of life. The theory revolves around a ‘rogue group’ of operatives who are those responsible. The existence of such a rogue group can never be proven or disproven, so Mr Unz’s theory unfortunately falls into the same category. The lab-leak theory at least has circumstantial evidence, so will probably have to do for the rest of us.

  99. FB says: • Website
    @Erebus

    I’m right with you on all points.

    See Andrea Cecci’s The Right Virus At the Right Time, for a seriously plausible explanation.

    What has this ‘pandemic’ done? If it was meant to ruin China it was the worst failure in history.

    If it was meant to deflate the West’s economy, it succeeded wildly.

    And why would you want to do that? Maybe to stop the looming Ponzi implosion? You know, THE BIG ONE.

    Over 2,500 TRILLION in derivatives that go boom if interest rates rise [that’s more than 30 times combined global GDP…and last fall the repo market dam was starting to burst.

    Massive money injection by the Fed was not stopping it. People with cash were no longer willing to pay high prices for T Bill paper, which means the underlying interest goes up. And then the neutron bomb goes off.

    After that comes the total meltdown. The plane crash where everybody dies—because there is no liquidity.

    This shutdown of the economy killed demand for credit and stopped the interest from going up. It’s at least a temporary reprieve—the plane is at least gliding to its eventual crash site.

    That makes a lot more sense to me than some keystone kops scheme to sprinkle viruses in China—that just happens to then turn into the biggest *boomerang* in history.

    • Agree: Stonehands
    • Thanks: R2b
    • Replies: @Nancy
  100. Dumbo says:

    Now that even Facecuck is allowing comments about the virus being “made in a lab” (as long as you blame China), I guess to prepare us for the next psy-ops, I find it weird that so little is still being said about alternative types of treatments (ivermectin?), or any real discussion about the vaccines and their possible long-term effects (“it’s completely safe”, says Facecuck, so I guess that’s enough for 99% of the population), nor about “vaccine passports”, nor about the fact that vaccines will likely have to be annual and so our rights to travel or assemble will be based on an annual vaccination ritual. So I guess the “made in a lab” thing is just yet another distraction.

  101. naill says:
    @Gina Schrank

    I also think that Trump was not totally innocent about what was going on. He was part of 3 unusual events at the beginning of the pandemic.

    1. There was few, almost no testing, of the virus being carried out for at least 2 months to the end of February. Despite German developed diagnostic kits being available, through WHO, from early January, the CDC wanted to design their own diagnostic kits. There were constant delays and various excuses, some manufacturing problem which was never explained and CDC wanting to get perfect results before allowing the tests to start. This issue was of great concern to doctors and the delay was unusual, even a former CDC director saying that tests in the past were always produced very quickly. Trump was silent on this.

    2. The White House (around March 12) ordered the FHA to treat all meetings on the coroanvirus as classified. This was despite many medical personnel criticising such as move as it was restricting vital information and hampering the government response.

    3. On May 29 as the pandemic was starting to take hold, Trump announced that the US will leave the WHO. This went ahead in spite of groups representing infectious disease doctors, pediatricians and GPs all protesting this move.

    These are not the actions of an innocent president. These are the actions of someone who has something to hide.

    • Agree: Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  102. Unz,
    You should stick to extolling the virtues of Cholo Immigration. You got a few things correct.

    Manipulating viruses is not that hard. Fauci through Ecohealth farmed this out to that lab in China…

    Now if you want to say that it is a bio weapon created by the US… then that would be how it would have worked dumb ass… not your silly ramblings about US troops blah blah blah..

    Now if Fauci and company had worked with the DoD for some sort of attack… you might have something you Open Border cheerleader..

    Now why would DoD do this.. when Wall St… bankers… Apple and every fucking corporation in the US gets damn near everything it sells from China? hmmmm…

    DoD does not call the shots… the Deep State does. Now if the Deep State decided on this attack you might have something…

    But noo.. it was from the US, but it was NIH not DoD stupid… China was happy to take the funding to play with the virus…

  103. John Wear says:

    Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD states that what is identified under the microscopes as the SARS-CoV-2 virus is actually identical to exosomes, which are structures that release toxins from cells. Such toxins can result from numerous sources such as flu shots having no relationship to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Does anyone know for sure that the SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated? According to Dr. Kaufman, none of Robert Koch’s four postulates has been performed by doctors or scientists to prove that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists.

    • Thanks: R2b
    • Replies: @R2b
  104. naill says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s also interesting that the Chinese did not notice that COVID was contagious in the beginning. In fact they said there was no human to human transmission for more than a week before then correcting themselves.

  105. Tom Welsh says:

    “…in less than one month a self-published article had already changed what nearly three billion individuals around the world were allowed to read and write”.

    A slight exaggeration! If you stick your head into a noose, you should not be surprised (although you might, briefly before everything goes black, feel indignant) when someone tightens it.

    Facebook may be OK for exchanging family photographs and jokes – although I wouldn’t risk it – but serious discussions don’t belong there.

  106. Tom Welsh says:

    “… McNeil entirely reversed his opinion on the origins of the virus, endorsing a theory that he and other mainstream journalists had spent more than a year dismissing as “far right” lunacy…”

    This is hardly surprising. It has always been a fundamental strategy of newspapers and other media to inflate people and situations as much as possible, before deflating them. That way they get twice as much sensationalism out of each topic.

    People are wonderful – then, gradually, turn out to have been fraudsters, child abusers or terrorists.

    The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to plans, products, political platforms, etc.

    • Thanks: Ever Becoming
  107. geokat62 says:

    … the virus eventually known as Covid-19…

    The virus is referred to as SARS‑CoV‑2. The disease is referred to as Covid-19.

  108. DrWatson says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Text from the FDA:

    “Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People

    For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. ”

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

    Apparently they don’t expect you to be able to distinguish yourself from a cow or a horse. However, you may, against all odds! If a vet can prescribe it, you may be able to calculate the dose based on the ratio of your weight and that of your horse.

    Greed will destroy this planet, faster than anything.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Erebus
  109. The only two countries on that November 2019 intelligence report distribution list who acknowledged its existence to their respective national TVs were precisely the two countries who, as per the hypothesis in question, took part in the bioattacks. What are we supposed to make of that?

  110. @Emslander

    Yes, that helps tremendously. That may be the missing clue.

  111. Tom Welsh says:
    @Neuromancer

    To anyone who has been paying attention, the question whether a biological weapon was created and released by China or the USA is a no-brainer.

    The USA has a rap sheet for biological warfare going right back to the deliberate use of smallpox and other diseases to wipe out Native Americans. Washington captured and lovingly preserved Japan’s and Germany’s researchers and results in 1945.

    The USA has spent far more money on researching biological weapons than any other nation – although it has usually taken pains to establish the labs where such dangerous work is done abroad. That way any leaks will harm the locals, not American voters, and can even be blamed on the local government. Plausible deniability! It is the creed of the national intelligence state.

    And the USA is probably the only nation whose government is ruthless and cynical enough seriously to contemplate the use of biological weapons. Especially against “adversaries” (as Washington calls them) like China and Russia, which are strong enough to repel any conventional or even nuclear attacks.

    Incidentally, many years ago the world’s leading nations agreed to destroy all their chemical weapons under the supervision of the OPCW. Russia finished doing so in 2017. The UK does not release any information about its chemical weapons – although the continued existence of Porton Down speaks volumes – but the USA admits openly that it still has several thousand tons. Imagine – the weight of destroyer in poison gas!

    • Replies: @Rich
  112. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Of course, it would be much better if no one died but just got older and older, but if someone is going to die in old age anyway, isn’t better that old people die rather than young people, wouldn’t you say? And if someone dies who is two years older than the normal average age of death, is that bad, or is it normal? Or are you just against what is normal?

  113. Atomada says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Evali and covid diagnoses difficult and overlapping, see Lancet article attached

  114. I think the first step in proving the accuracy of your suppositions is to gain concurrence that the virus came from Ft. Detrick. Once that is agreed upon, the question of whether the release was accidental or intentional–a debate of monumental importance–can be addressed.

  115. @Ron Unz

    If this theory is true – I wonder if it could have been Bannon.

    He is an outspoken Western Supremacist. He is friends with that weirdo Chinese billionaire who wants to topple the PRC (=contacts/money). He has also said on two or three occasions that the US only has a window of about 5-10 years to forestall the emergence of China as a hegemon (this was in the mid-2010s). Grifted hard on the Chinese bio-leak theory, this could be a case of the thief shouting thief. Plenty of China-hating Alt Righters in the US military, perhaps a few of them could have volunteered for the job.

    • Agree: Tor597
  116. MLK says:

    President Trump’s completely lackadaisical response demonstrated that he himself had absolutely no idea that he was confronting the threat of a dangerous bioweapon . . .

    Nonsense. Those two words, “completely lackadaisical” are half the tell as to this author. Here’s the totalitarian other half:

    Indeed, the PRC only avoided suffering devastation because it responded in such extremely prompt fashion and quickly imposed exceptionally strong public health controls.

    As I noted early on last year, country’s responded in character. The salient difference this time being that CCP China is admired and envied by the ruling and governing classes the world over.

    Trump was anything but lackadaisical. Let alone completely so. Indeed, the overall American response led by Trump, under the totality of the circumstances including not the least the leading objective of getting rid of Trump, was superlative. Especially in terms of what Trump refused to do, toss out the Constitution (liberties and federalism alike) in favor of the sort of “strong [] controls” that are the current fashion Because China.

    In any event, everyone has memory-holed Trump’s messaging during the early period. Which is a tell in and of itself since he did so constantly and with a read between the line honesty that ensured anyone who was anybody wanted him gone.

    Trump made much of his personal interaction with other leaders. He did so through thick and thin of any bilateral relationship. Early on Trump turned on a dime from conveying that Xi told him China had the situation under control to Xi pulling a stunt and snookering him.

    As I’ve said before, grand conspiracies are not puzzles that can be solved. They’re social phenomena in motion. Exercises in bias confirmation for us all. With everyone keeping their eye on the prize as they see it, disingenuously claiming otherwise, consciously or not.

    At any particular point, until it’s at rest, there’s collusion, if you will, over who to make the dirty dog. Rather obviously, that was supposed to Trump. With MAGA getting it good and hard forever for supporting him.

    Suffice it to say, it didn’t go according to plan. The unstoppable force refused to concede the stolen election so a new resolve is in motion. The Alaska meeting was utter overreach. “Biden” was directed by China to arrange a very public humiliation of the US, principally to exonerate China on the China Virus, which wasn’t even mentioned.

    Now China Joe and the Fake News claim the USG is on the straw man case of determining whether the virus was “naturally occurring” or the result of an unfortunate and wholly unintentional leak.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  117. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I think it’s better for a disease’s victims to be elderly (I am in that age group. The majority of Covid-19 victims are over age 80 globally. Plus some epidemiologists claim that most who die — about 1 in 6 of those infected over age 80– likely had 3 years or less of life ahead). While the Elderly should have the focus of protection from the start, it is preferable to losing the young and healthy (the horrible Spanish flu a hundred years ago spared the Elderly).

    Few (if any) healthy children have died from Covid-19. Not clear why so many young and healthy are being vaccinated? Natural immunity is usually preferable to vaccine immunity, and the young and healthy tolerate Covid-19 well (plus there are always side effects to vaccines, at least as risky for the young and healthy as Covid-19).

    • Agree: Rich
  118. Iris says:
    @utu

    In fact eradication was never put on the table.

    I am very surprised to see you somehow join the side of the “conspiracy crackpots”, as you gloat in naming anybody who disagrees with your views. These opinions were expressed by others and you abundantly mock them.

    There is zero doubt that Western decision-makers are lying about their management of the Covid19 outbreak. Zero.

    While the information coming from both Italy and China was already extraordinarily worrying, the British press regularly reported about PM Boris Johnson going the way of natural “herd immunity”. He decided to lock down at the 11th hour, only when France decided to do so (a day after).

    The British government now pretends that it never happened, but this major health policy “blunder” recently came back to the forefront when angry former advisor Dominic Cummings was auditioned by Parliamentarians.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/dominic-cummings-doubles-down-on-claim-government-planned-e2-80-98herd-immunity-e2-80-99-response-to-covid/ar-AAKow7p?ocid=uxbndlbing

    It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbad early treatment of Covid19 patients.

    Comparisons are not demonstrations, but it remains to be answered why rich European nations, a year on, are still failing so miserably in managing the pandemic, not just compared to China, but also to their much poorer, Caucasoid North-African neighbours. The latter massively used hydro-chloroquine and indiscriminately treated Covid patients at very early stage. The younger age distribution does not explain everything; how could resource-less Tunisia achieve such a better Covid19 record than France and the UK remains a mystery.

    It is legitimate to ask the question: was the evitable Covid19 death toll caused by political hubris and incompetence, or was it a desired outcome?

    • Thanks: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @One-off
  119. @Ultrafart the Brave

    If it was developed as a bioweapon, the developers did a lousy job, considering the IFR, which is comparable to that of a bad influenza strain and which likewise disproportionately affects the elderly, especially those already at death’s door. In fact mortality in 2020 (in the UK at least, supposed to have one of the highest Covid-19 body-counts in the world) is below that of 2017.

    [MORE]

    Whether or not SARS-CoV-2 was engineered is beside the point. The fact is that an essentially mundane respiratory virus has been hijacked by a cadre of globalists in order to (1) disguise the collapse of the Western financial system, which they themselves have caused, (2) usher in a police state, (3) induce widespread infertility, and (4) possibly – and I think this is true – kill billions of people, the last two points being in accordance with the inscription on the Georgia Guidestones.

    In theory this will then leave a greening planet as a playground for the perpetrators and their issue, ridding them once and for all of the ‘useless eaters’ (© H. Kissinger) they so much despise, and leaving a compliant population of drones to perform such menial tasks as are beyond the scope of robots and AI. They also dream of becoming ‘transhuman’, living for ever, and doubtless other nonsense culled from science fiction.

    They are quite mad, of course, and it will all go horribly wrong, for they are by no means as clever as they think they are.

    You may be sure that, nowadays, anything in the corporate news appears there entirely at the behest of these creeps, and that includes the Made in China trope forming the subject of this article. What this trope does is reinforce the narrative that Covid-19 is some sort of existential plague, and anyone allowing himself to get bogged down in it is falling for their game.

    One must raise one’s eyes from the shell game and observe the larger picture. Consider the inconsistencies in the ‘vaccine’ part of the narrative. If the jabs are so great, why are people being bribed and even compelled to have them? The manufacturers themselves admit that the ‘vaccines’ are purely prophylactic: they neither protect the ‘vaccinated’ against Covid-19 nor prevent transmission to others. So what is the point of them? Answer: they have nothing to do with Covid-19.

    According to Luc Montagnier, the Nobel-prize winning virologist, the life expectancy of anyone who has been stupid enough to take the jab is no more than two years. Thus we can soon expect societal collapse in the West. So many people will die or be rendered incapable that normal life, for the survivors, will be impossible. By ‘horribly wrong’, above, I mean the inevitable invasion from the east, because it seems to me that the Russians and above all the Chinese, not Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab, will be the ultimate beneficiaries.

    Meanwhile, Corona Chan has been leveraged in a masterful top-down global bait-and-switch operation to herd us all into line for the “vaccine”.

    You have it in one, mon Brave.

  120. Ron Unz says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If this theory is true – I wonder if it could have been Bannon.

    Sure, it’s perfectly possible that Bannon was one of the conspirators, and he certainly fits the ideological profile. He also had strong media connections, and I think played he played an important role in the early promotion of the Chinese bioweapon lab-leak cover-story.

    But he’d been fired by Trump more than two years before the outbreak, and a few months afterward was denounced and vilified by Trump and the Trumpists for publishing that embarrassing book. Anyway, he never had any of the national security connections that would have been absolutely necessary to draw upon the resources of Ft. Detrick, the CIA, and the military. As a disgraced former Trump political advisor, if he’d gone to Ft. Detrick and asked for a deadly virus, he’d probably have been arrested or maybe thrown into a mental institution.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton are the most obvious likely ringleaders, especially since the former had recently been CIA Director.

    Pompeo could have just gone to Ft. Detrick or the CIA and told them “We’ve finally been given the official go-ahead on that project we had discussed last year.” Or maybe he would have sent one of his top aides, and then confirmed his role by secure communication. The mid-ranking people he was approaching obviously wouldn’t have demanded to personally speak to Trump to confirm his authorization, and Trump was the only person above him in the chain-of-command.

    The whole thing was very likely this sort of Dr. Strangelove scenario, except it was a small group of plotters rather than a single base commander.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  121. Leo Den says:
    @GomezAdddams

    It is fiction when they debate its origin. They NEVER want to mention Israhell.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  122. @Simon Tugmutton

    What if the “not a” vaccine is the real weapon? Covid 19 release was just the beginning. Seems like these days all the wealthy and powerful are tripping over themselves babbling about the great reset.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  123. Rich says:
    @Tom Welsh

    The US never used smallpox, or any other disease to wipe out American Indians. Smallpox, and other diseases were just as deadly to the European settlers as to Indians and wars were fought with muskets and bows, not mad scientists injecting primitives. I think the movie you got that from was called “Drums Along the Mohawk”, in the movie they blame a Hessian general if I’m not mistaken. It was fiction, never happened.

  124. Rurik says:
    @DrWatson

    Greed will destroy this planet, faster than anything.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/number-of-covid-cases-in-delhi-crashes-after-mass-distribution-of-ivermectin?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard

    the only thing for certain is that we are being lied to by agenda-driven elites, who (as usual) seek more power for themselves, and less for the rest of us.

    Whatever may have been the advent of this virus, they’ve deliberately used it to destroy small businesses while bolstering the profits and power of mega corporations.

    They used it to impose their will by petty dictates to the point of absurdity.

    Humans (some) always have and always will seek power and control over their fellows. It’s hardwired.

    This virus, and the way it’s been used, seems to me just one more (out of many) manifestations of that eternal truth.

    The only thing for certain is that we are being lied to by agenda-driven elites. And we know, (or should know by now) what their agenda is.

  125. Erebus says:
    @DrWatson

    “Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People

    For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. ”

    They’re being disingenuous.

    See my reply to Ann Nonny Mouse above.

    [MORE]

    Veterinary Ivermectin ranges from a 1% to 2% solution (a few are more concentrated), and the dose varies with body weight. The 2% (and above) is often diluted on site to make it easier to dose. Of course, I wouldn’t inject a veterinary anything directly, but 1% Ivermectin is 1% Ivermectin whether you’re treating Godzilla or a mouse. A young lamb gets exactly the same Ivermectin at the exactly the same dose ratio as a 1T bull, 1ml / 50kg of body weight.

    The drug formulas do change depending on the animal type intended because drug companies enhance their products so the medication also deals with other, unrelated species-specific issues. In the case of S. Africa and Zimbabwe, the Farmer’s Co-ops and their whole supply chain had their stocks wiped out by humans buying it up for their own use. As can be expected, most/all of this was intended for sheep & cattle. No-one died from using it as advised by the doctors who were themselves using it.

  126. TKK says:
    @anon

    It has destroyed small businesses all over the world.

    If you ever feel like like a drive, look at all the small businesses, especially local restaurants, that have closed down. Mom and Pop gyms. Local gift shops. Hair salons.

    People who were not savvy enough nor sly enough to get those PPP loans. But I know the big law firm I do extra work for – rolling in the dough. – got about $3 million dollars even though they never stopped billing. Now they bill from home, we all WFH, and they are killing it. Guess what the biggest case is?

    Global insurance behomoths denying Covid Relief claims for lost revenue after the State forced them to close . You can’t make it up.

    Pull back, and then look at economies like Bali, who solely depend on the tourist dollar. Some Balinese are experiencing hunger for the first time.

    And during the pandemic, UNPRECEDENTED transfer of wealth to the ultra high wealth individuals –
    Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk increased their wealth by $217 billion in 2020.

    What is the number rule of investigative reporting? Follow the money.

    Also remember that the UK, for example, had real lockdowns. People could not leave their homes except for regimented times. Some people were alone for months who had no family or friends, and have become suicidal and despondent.

    Humans are mammals, and we are meant to be with others. It was akin to torture to implement these draconian measures.

    Therefore, was the catastrophic slaughter of the working class from every angle sheer incompetence, apathy or something far more wicked?

    • Agree: theMann, Rurik, Dnought
    • Replies: @theMann
  127. Could the victimized economies have monetary claims against the perpetrator?

  128. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not convinced. If the intent was to damage China’s economy, why go along with shutting down America’s economy for a year, especially given the knowledge that COVID, while very communicable, was not particularly deadly? And seeing how the Chinese handled the issue by only shutting down Wuhan for a short period and then re-opening, why didn’t American leaders do likewise unless the intent, all along, was to damage America’s economy?

    • Replies: @Anon62
  129. lysias says:
    @Miro23

    The public was already prepared for the market/bats/caves/animal-to-human transmission story by the 2011 movie “Contagion”. Although in the movie the market was in Goangdong, not Wuhan, and the transmission was from bats to pigs to humans.

    “Contagion” was released in 2011, but planning for it apparently began in 2009.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  130. Horatio says:

    An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

    I assume you are referring to African Swine Fever, which appeared for the first time in China in August 2018 almost simultaneously in four different provinces from an unknown origin. The virus is closely related to the virus causing the outbreak in Georgia in 2007.

    • Replies: @Anon62
  131. theMann says:
    @TKK

    “Akin to torture”.

    Actually under International Codes, it was, And is, torture. You can also add wanton destruction of private property and mass incarceration without charge. All three are war crimes under international law. And the quackcines are violations of informed consent for experimental medicine – violation number one of the Crimes Against Humanity code.

    I imagine the insurance companies, like hospitals, have retainered every tort lawyer in sight to set up conflict of interest if you try to sue these slime. Ask me how I know.

    • Agree: TKK
  132. anon[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gina Schrank

    You are right about the late summer/early fall 2019 vape respitory deaths. I remembered reading a few Drudgereport links alluding to them at the time, and thought some company or another must have stored them improperly, or some new ingredient for smell or taste degraded in the presence of the other ingredients in a peculiar way as to cause a fluke illness in the users. I live with a smoker/vaper, and told her to just smoke those (damned) cigarettes late that summer instead of the more pleasant smelling vapes. The media just seemed to forget all about it by November 2019.

  133. It doesn’t even matter where the virus came from. Some very powerful people want us to take the vaccine. It’s all about getting us to take the shot.

    • Agree: Ace
  134. @Julian of Norwich

    I changed my ‘agree’ reaction to a more neutral ‘thanks’, because I am no longer sure about the correctness of what you wrote, but it merits discussion.

    China reacted to the virus as energetically as it would if they were dealing with a “high communicability high lethality” pathogen. They locked down a complete province for two months (Wuhan a little longer: 2.5). And yet we are told that their economy was nowhere nearly as hit as almost all the other countries.

  135. naill says:
    @Blade2

    How do know if it was China and not the Guo media network?

    https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2050

  136. Ron Unz says:
    @lysias

    The public was already prepared for the market/bats/caves/animal-to-human transmission story by the 2011 movie “Contagion”…“Contagion” was released in 2011, but planning for it apparently began in 2009.

    I’m pretty skeptical about that. I’ve never seen Contagion, but isn’t it more likely it was just been inspired by the SARS outbreak in China a few years earlier?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  137. Emslander says:
    @MLK

    Now China Joe and the Fake News claim the USG is on the straw man case of determining whether the virus was “naturally occurring” or the result of an unfortunate and wholly unintentional leak.

    It would be interesting to know whether any members of the Biden criminal enterprise had their fingerprints on Fauci’s funding of Wuhan bioweapon research.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  138. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    No article on China’s three child policy?

    How many Chinese does the world need? Already 1.5 out of 7 people in the world is Chinese. Already automation is making a large number of people redundant and unemployed, it’ll only get worse. China will never get to OECD status as long as they are at over 1 billion people. Their population need to shrink by 2/3 for them to get rich. Western economists want China to stay poor. Here’s hoping the Chinese people themselves are wise enough to ignore all those stupid economists and their “eternal growth” mantra, as if they’ve never heard of the word “automation”.

  139. @Ron Unz

    “anti-Vaxxery”

    Not an anti-vaxxer; I believe in the efficacy of most vaccines and will get one if appropriate. There is reason for suspicion about the mRNA vaccine for what I’ve long believed was a bio-weapon attack — which tracks with what you surmised in your article. The bio-attack and the vaccine are linked; dissociation will lead us astray. Thanks for your voice on this, btw.

  140. I read both the Wade and Baker articles. The Baker article if anything was even more detailed but both came to the same conclusion–a conclusion which many of us arrived at, if only intuitively, once we got the news that “Oh, by the way, there’s a biolab in Wuhan” (actually there are TWO of ’em, both within walking distance of that so-called “wet market”).

    Any doubts that the WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, CNN etal are nothing more than propaganda mills has been erased.

  141. @Julian of Norwich

    Yes, but then it would be designed to kill. Unz is putting forward the Goldilocks theory of blowback–the nefarious neocons wanted to destroy the Chinese economy and kill Iranians, but not kill Chinese. Because they are evil but not too evil. They are just the right amount of evil (for his theory).

    • LOL: FB
  142. @Simon Tugmutton

    I have maintained from the beginning that a lab accident of some kind was a legitimate possibility which could not be ignored. Frankly that “wet market” bit never passed the smell test. The possibility that this thing was deliberately designed as a bioweapon is too hateful to contemplate–but “contemplate” one must.

    At this point all bets are off!

  143. @Ray Caruso

    You’re right. It’s a seductive mistake to treat this orchestrated Corona monkey business as the main arena of a brewing geopolitical showdown like WWII — “our” empire vs. a challenge from upstart China. The plandemic could just as well be the newest political ploy in a familiar intramural playbook: Will instigated hysteria now help the West’s globalist ruling elite once again to rally their fractious populist masses behing them to confront an exaggerated threat from another foreign enemy du jour?

    If so, our unrepresentative and unscrupulous rulers win again while our most basic personal freedom get locked down permanently in the fading West. In that way Corona creates a win-win situation for both the Western oligarchy and for China, which KO’ed its mysterious virus more than a year ago and still has a humming economy. And isn’t it already obvious that U.S. authorities (Fauci, etc.) quietly cooperated with Chinese counterparts in launching the virus? Our statelesss globalists seem to have no problem dealing profitably with China.

    Who’s the real enemy of the average Westerner? Not some nearly harmless flu. As you said, he’s long since been betrayed by his own leaders who have invited Third World hordes to replace him? Why should the (still) majority of Americans and vassel Europeans fret about foreign powers when the real threat to their sovereign interests comes from their own rulers?

    • Agree: Ray Caruso, Ace
  144. nsa says:

    “….America has clearly suffered its worst national calamity since the Great Depression…”
    Pure bullshit. Turn your TV box off and open your eyes. In this area, real estate prices have doubled in the last two years……some even tripled. Raw hay land suitable for development has gone from $5k/acre to $25k/acre. New pressed wood spec houses are going up everywhere. The manager down at the local Chase bank reports he doled out thousands of freebie care/ppp “loans” to business account owners who qualified, estimating about 90% were wasted money and not needed. Over on 101 there is a steady shit stream of tourist vehicles of all kinds….$50k SUVs with $3k kayaks atop and $2k bikes attached to the rear bumper, giant Winnebagos and Airstreams interspersed with $60k trucks towing $70k boats, newly sold cars with paper plates, etc. No broken cars by the side of the road or chicks holding cardboard signs offering to trade pussy for food. The only signs are “help wanted” paying the $13.69/hr minimum wage in this state and they are everywhere. Big box store parking lots are jammed with cars. Car dealers have stopped negotiating prices as they can’t get enough new inventory. All around it’s an orgy of human happiness and prosperity, mindlessly consuming and spending and polluting.

    • Thanks: Ever Becoming, Emslander
  145. The plotters assuming their high-transmissability disease would not reach the USA, or that the USA and Europe would deal easily with it, seems to require a breathtaking level of stupidity. They might just as well have assumed that the disease would discredit Trump and get a Democrat into office.

    Which raises the point that plagues are just too unpredictable to be much use as weapons. China might have reacted differently; USA, Europe etc etc too. Especially with the low death rate, and average age of death around 82, countries might have chosen to ignore it rather than destroy their economies. I’ve never heard of a bioweapon *so* non-lethal. A 5% death rate and reliably killing lots of baby boomers would seem the ‘ideal’.

    On balance I think the accidental lab leak of an altered but not ‘weaponised’ virus seems most likely.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  146. @Julian of Norwich

    I agree. It doesn’t have to be the Black Death or MERS, but there is a point where people will just shrug their shoulders ‘meh’. If you are creating a bioweapon, I think you need at least single-digit % lethality to reliably force the target to shut down.

  147. HBM says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I’ve wondered for a while if the Bannon contingent/Chinese dissident types were responsible for the first, if you will, viral videos of alleged COVID sufferers we saw at the end of 2019, and much of the overreaction could be laid at their feet.

    I’m still curious about the arrest of Dr. Charles Lieber and the others in early December of 2019 and what, exactly, might have motivated the DOJ.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

    • Replies: @Tor597
  148. Greg S. says:

    Here’s where’s Unz’s theories (that I already consider a mixture of truth and leaps of logic on the surface) fall apart:

    Scientific study: “New insights into genetic susceptibility of COVID-19: an ACE2 and TMPRSS2 polymorphism analysis.” https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01673-z

    This study found that different races had different susceptibilities to ACE2 reception (the mechanism by which SARS-COV2 infects).

    We found that the distribution of deleterious variants in ACE2 differs among 9 populations in gnomAD (v3). Specifically, 39% (24/61) and 54% (33/61) of deleterious variants in ACE2 occur in African/African-American (AFR) and Non-Finnish European (EUR) populations, respectively (Fig. 1b). Prevalence of deleterious variants among Latino/Admixed American (AMR), East Asian (EAS), Finnish (FIN), and South Asian (SAS) populations is 2–10%, while Amish (AMI) and Ashkenazi Jewish (ASJ) populations do not appear to carry such variants in ACE2 coding regions (Fig. 1b). Specifically, several variants, including p.Met383Thr, p.Pro389His, and p.Asp427Tyr, have been reported to slightly inhibit the interaction between ACE2 and the spike protein of SARS-CoV-1 [10], which caused the first global SARS-CoV-1 outbreak

    To put it clearly, the susceptiblity rates are:
    – 54% White/European (except Finnish)
    – 39% African/African American
    – 2-10% Latino/Asian/Finnish
    – 0% Ashkenazi Jewish/Amish

    So Unz would have you believe that Americans developed a bio-weapon that targets Americans and (mostly) spares Asians?

    Many things about this “pandemic” start clicking into place once your realize the specific genetic targeting of SARS-COV2. You realize that many Asian countries (which lack basic sanitation) did not do a “better job” of “managing” the pandemic, they simply were not hit as hard due to genetic resistance to it.

    Also this is simply too silly to resist:

    Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness

    Yes, who could have predicted that the Communist Chinese would act with determination and effectiveness?? Would take some kind of uber-genius to predict that… but as to the above point, they were greatly aided by the very makeup of SARS-COV2. How convenient for them.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  149. geokat62 says:

    … which was extremely contagious but had a low fatality rate of 1% or less.

    … or much less. Good to see you’re not impervious to embracing new information, Ron:

    New study puts COVID infection fatality rate at only 0.15 percent

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/04/new-study-puts-covid-infection-fatality-rate-at-only-0-15-percent/

  150. Ron Unz says:
    @Greg S.

    Scientific study: “New insights into genetic susceptibility of COVID-19: an ACE2 and TMPRSS2 polymorphism analysis.”

    I’ve seen people quoting that journal article, and entirely misinterpreting the contents.

    If you look at the study’s results, it claims that groups lacking certain “deleterious ACE2 variants” may be somewhat less vulnerable to Covid infections.

    In particular, 90-98% of South Asians benefit from that genetic characteristic. However, if you read the news headlines, you’ll notice that India is the current world epicenter of the disease, with estimates that probably 1.6 million or even 4 million Indians have already died.

    So empirically, the benefits of that particular genetic variation seem pretty minor to me.

    • Replies: @Greg S.
    , @Chrisnonymous
  151. Anon62 says:
    @Anonymous

    the Chinese handled the issue by only shutting down Wuhan for a short period

    The Chinese implemented a series of controls which impacted the entire nation not just Wuhan. These controls were implemented as soon as identification of the pathogen was made and the fact of human to human transmission was recognized.

    The controls included:
    All entrants to China were required to undergo a 14 day quarantine and demonstrate a negative COVID test result.
    All travel within China was restricted.
    All localaties which gave evidence of COVID outbreaks were placed under quarantine with no travel in or out.
    All persons within outbreak regions were confined to their homes. Food and necessities were supplied to them by public authorities
    National mobilization of medical response teams with these teams sent to assist local authorities in areas of outbreak.
    The near overnight creation of temporary hospital isolation and treatment facilites for those infected by COVID.
    Massive contact tracing efforts facilitated by the use of cell phone contact tracing.
    Delivery of accurate information to all members of society
    Mobilization of scientific research teams to identify the pathogen and its genetic “fingerprint.” This identification was then provided to other global health organizations such as WHO.
    Immediate creation of a valid test for the pathogen once its genetic fingerprint was known with national application of COVID testing. China was the first state to create such a test. Without this testing it would have been impossible to detect the spread of the disease.

    America did none of these things despite its acknolwedged awareness of a potential serious disease outbreak in November of 2019 and the communication of this infromation in secret to select US allies and partner states.
    Of these partner states the UK created and relied upon the Ferguson model which greatly exaggerated the fatality rate.
    Most western nations were dilatory in their response and devoted their efforts to assigning blame and not toward a scientific study of the pathogen and how to control it.
    The attempt to assign blame continues. There is minimal evidence of a rational science based investigation of COVID on the part of Western nations.

    If you want to be safe just don’t eat the bat soup.

    That is Western rationality.

    • Thanks: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Tdstype2
  152. Yash says:

    There is another plausible alternative:

    – An initial, genuinely accidental lab leak, but from an American lab, say around the middle of 2019 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html ]

    – After it becomes clear that the spread cannot be contained, a small number of individuals, either with or without permission, decide that it is in the US’s interest to pin it on the Chinese – since both countries are engaged in the identical gain-of-function research, with the US NIH even sponsoring the work at WIV.

    – An op is drawn up, perhaps hidden within another op (the outer op might be a “super-secret” op to gather intel on what is billed as a potential *Chinese* lab leak in Wuhan – so that most of the military “athletes” that are part of this “super-secret” op truly believe that the objective was to confirm the Wuhan lab leak).

  153. An older article went over the origins of the virus pretty well.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/chinas-coronavirus-a-shocking-update-did-the-virus-originate-in-the-us/

    One of his main points is that the type infecting Taiwan exists only in Australia and the US and, since Taiwan was not infected by Australians, the infection in Taiwan could have come only from the US.

    The basic logic is that the geographical location with the greatest diversity of virus strains must be the original source because a single strain cannot emerge from nothing. He demonstrated that only the US has all the five known strains of the virus (while Wuhan and most of China have only one, as do Taiwan and South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam, Singapore, and England, Belgium and Germany), constituting a thesis that the haplotypes in other nations may have originated in the US.

    Korea and Taiwan have a different haplotype of the virus than China, perhaps more infective but much less deadly, which would account for a death rate only 1/3 that of China.

    • Agree: Anon62
    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  154. TheJester says:

    Ron,

    If what you argue is true, our national Covid-19 crisis would fall into the same category as public exposure that the Kennedy assassination was indeed planned, organized, and executed by Israel aided by rogue elements in the CIA and Pentagon. The truth would bring down the US government and perhaps presage national disintegration … ergo, the end of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    Hence, given the consequences of exposure, it makes sense that the power structure would engage in systematic prevarication, obfuscation, dissimulation, evasion, deceit, and lying to muddle things to the point that the public remained ignorant and confused about what was happening. Researchers hot on the trail of the guilty parties and insiders who “blow the whistle” would be systematically doxxed and canceled: “wokeness” intentionally fabricated as a form of political control.

    Besides using Covid-19 to hobble a National Socialist China, perhaps we should add the current systematic and otherwise inexplicable attacks on white culture, Western Civilization, and the nation-states they created to the list of targets to be eliminated on the road to the “Fabian/Frankfurt” quest for a globalized, oligarchical world government overseeing consortiums of socialized economies (really monopoly capitalism) controlled by small cabals of wealthy elites.

    Is this preposterous? H. B. Wells, 1920:

    Big Business is in no means antipathetic to Communism. The larger big business grows the more it approximates Collectivism. It is the upper road of the few instead of the lower road of the masses to Collectivism. Ellis, Clare, “The Blackening of Europe,” Arktos Media Ltd., Kindle Edition.

    [MORE]

    Recommended:

    “The Blackening of Europe, Vol. 1”, by Clare Ellis

    With the Western world distracted by the threat created by Bolshevik Communism and the Soviet Union, a more potent threat was the slow, progressive, hidden creation of a second front advocating a worldwide “socialist utopia”. The latter was advocated by consortiums of wealthy industrialists and academics in the West. These were represented by the Fabian Society and the Frankfurt School that advocated the slow takeover of Western institutions through a “progressive march through the institutions”. They would bide their time and camouflage their intentions until strong enough to act. The Bolshevik communists and Fabian/Frankfurt socialists shared a belief in the necessity to destroy the patriarchal family as an essential first step toward world government and socialized economies.

    How strong are the Fabian/Frankfurt socialists? The term “Critical Theory” is a type of analysis attributable to the Frankfurt School. The slow “march through the institutions” (especially academia) is likewise a term popularized by the Frankfurt movement. Feminism, transgenderism, abortion, Black Lives Matter, teaching Critical Race Theory in K12 schools, the destruction of the Western university system, and the 2020 election? Recent moves to give the World Health Organization dictatorial, transnational powers in the event of another pandemic?

    And, as throwbacks, let’s not forget that the London School of Economics and the Economist magazine were founded as Fabian institutions.

    The question: Does this second strain of oligarchical-based socialism now feel empowered enough to act? Are we in the midst of a coup designed to force the final transition to world government ruled by wealthy oligarchs with socialized economies (again, a euphemism for monopoly capitalism) a reality?

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Wild Man
  155. Drakejax says:

    I agree that all the public evidence suggest a biowar event for COVID. However, I still suspect that the explanation can be a neo-liberal versus neocon engineered event. At the operating level they may be the same people even if they are entirely different at the public pundit level. The Democrats are the beneficiaries of COVID, and they acted immediately in ways to maximize the damage of covid and their own benefits from it come the elections. Antifa, BLM, blue state lockdowns, election shenanigans, all came out perfectly planned and coordinated with supporting media. I never sensed the democrats to be that competent before without a plan.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Replies: @TheJester
  156. Jiminy says:
    @Ever Becoming

    I think the US needs to be very careful that with a renewed investigation of the source of the new flu, investigators don’t go looking more closely at the e- vaping deaths of North America starting in January 2019. Up until then I think it was three people who had died from popcorn lung in the 1990’s, workers from a popcorn factory.
    Even though e- smokers from across the world have access to the exotic mixtures via internet sales, it was only Canada I believe that suffered one case outside of America. Over two thousand cases with about 47 deaths I think at last count.
    And of course until there is an independent investigation of the disease and the source of the mixture, then any mention of it all will always arouse derision amongst people who have differing opinions.
    There are just too many coincidences to outright eliminate anything that happened in the US in early 2019.

  157. Blissex says:

    «The triggering event for this remarkable reversal in American elite sentiment was a closely reasoned and persuasive 11,000 word article by journalist Nicholas Wade.»

    I have seen several arguments, plausible and sensible, that it could have been a lab leak, and they never got “traction”. What I reckon is that the Biden administration decided to continue the anti-China policy of Trump, and to blame China for the virus, implying nefarious backgrounds, and the Wade article was the result of that, or at least was used to advance that once published. The talking points memo than made the rounds and the loyal media got onto that story.

    As to the “origin” story, these are all independent aspects, they do not necessarily imply each other:

    * Were did the virus originate? I could have originated far from China, in a less noticeable version, and it was only in Wuhan that it mutated into a more noticeable form, as it did later in India etc.

    * Was the virus spread in Wuhan spontaneous or deliberate? If it was deliberate it need not have come from a lab, but evolved naturally and brought to Wuhan.

    * Was the virus engineered? If was engineered, which lab did it come from? There are many labs that study coronaviruses, outside Wuhan and inside Wuhan. As to Wuhan there are dozens of universities and research institutes there (it has a population twice that of London), so focusing on just one lab is ridiculous or just propaganda.

    * If it was deliberately spread, who has an interest in using an incapacitating infectious diseases to attack a core node of the chinese economy? There will be nutters who say “the CCP”, but the obvious list is India, Vietnam, USA, Japan, Taipei.

    Regardless of the questions about the origin, which will be exceptionally difficult to resolve, there is the one big and easily resolved issue of the enormous difference in handling of the epidemic, reganista/neoliberal in the USA, UK, and other “Washington Consensus” countries, with devastating results, and as a public health project funded and organized by the state in areas as different as China-Taiwan, China-mainland, Japan, New Zealand, Korea-south, Vietnam, India-Kerala, where the results have been immensely better.

    Given that obvious, giant issue, it is not surprising the USA, UK, etc. have been focusing public debate on the interesting but rather secondary “origin” issue, to distract public opinion from the main issue.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  158. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Just the next planned stage of the massive psyop.

  159. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    0% Ashkenazi.

    All you need to know.

  160. Anon62 says:
    @Horatio

    I assume you are referring to African Swine Fever, which appeared for the first time in China in August 2018 almost simultaneously in four different provinces from an unknown origin. The virus is closely related to the virus causing the outbreak in Georgia in 2007.

    This is an interesting factoid which supports the Unz bio-warfare theory.

    American focus on China increased with the Obama administration’s 2011 “Pivot to East Asia” strategy. This was widely seen as an American attempt to contain China, undermine Chinese growth, and maintain the US status as global hegemon, a position threatened by the rise of China.

    In November 2011 Obama articulated an integrated diplomatic, military, and economic strategy that stretched from the Indian subcontinent through Northeast Asia. The core message: America is going to play a leadership role in Asia.

    This was widely seen as an American attempt to contain China, undermine Chinese growth, and maintain the US status as global hegemon.

    The pivot coincided with a new American military doctrine called Air-Sea Battle doctrine. First outlined in a classified memo in 2009, ASB became official US military doctrine in 2010, a year prior to Obama’s pivot. This suggests military doctrine influenced civil relations between the two states. ASB was an operational doctrine for military confrontation with China; Secretary of Defense Robert Gates openly discussed the need to counter China’s growing military capabilities. Beijing viewed the US as having hostile intentions toward China. The pivot was seen by Beijing as part of a broader effort to encircle China.

    Within the context of the Unz bio-warfare theory it is within the realm of possibility that there have been multiple attempts to undermine and destabilize China. There is clear evidence of such action with respect to the recent unrest in Hong Kong, the unsubstantiated assertions with respect to Chinese human rights violations, and the general trend of anti-Chinese sentiment in particular and anti-Asian sentiment in general.

    It is known the US engages in destabilization operations against those it deems to be “enemies” (STUXNET in Iran, destruction of Iraq on false pretence, support for the overthrow of Gadafi when he sought to reintroduce a gold standard and rally African states against creation of a US military Africom headquarters in Africa). It is therefore not unreasonable to contemplate a US surreptitious release of pathogens to undermine and impair China’s economy.

    For background see:
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-pivot-to-asia-was-obamas-biggest-mistake/

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/

  161. Agent76 says:

    May 24, 2021 CDC: Death Toll Following Experimental COVID Injections Now at 4,863 – More than 23 Previous Years of Recorded

    Vaccine Deaths According to VAERS
    To put this number in perspective, since the CDC continues to claim that these deaths do “not establish a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” these deaths now exceed the total number of deaths reported to VAERS following vaccination for the past 23 years!

    https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/cdc-death-toll-following-experimental-covid-injections-now-at-4863-more-than-23-previous-years-of-recorded-vaccine-deaths-according-to-vaers/

  162. Joe100 says:

    I think a relatively recent Old Microbiologist comment here suggested that the US today may well lack the technical capability to actually produce such a bioweapon. I also recall that in one of his early Covid posts (I am sure one of those referenced above) he noted that he thought some of the available genetic information was at least “suggestive” (to him) of possible human intervention.

  163. Rahan says:

    There are currently 11 US biolabs in the Ukraine

    With an agreement that only the US govt knows what goes on there.

    One of the labs is in Kharkov. In Jan 2016 20 Ukrainian soldiers in the city suddenly died from a “flu-like illness”, while 200 were hospitalized.

    Between 2015 and 2018 various unexpected explosions of Hepatitis A and Cholera happened all across the Ukraine.

    **

    [MORE]

    Likewise in the country of Georgia, the Lugar Center. Only US govt officials get to know stuff about it.

    Their experiments with sand flies and mosquitoes were acutely felt first in Georgia, and then South Russia.

    **
    In 1977, a strange flu hit the USSR. Known as “The Russian Flu” it killed YOUNG PEOPLE under 25.

    The West instantly speculated that…go on guess what was speculated…that this flu escaped from a Russian or a Chine bio lab.
    https://life.ru/p/1316278

    But back then the communist countries had closed borders, and if you hit them they stay hit, it doesn’t leak back at you too fast.
    **
    1950s: Colorado beetles. Sprinkled by US agents starting 1949-1950, in Eastern Germany, Poland, etc., and trying to get to the USSR via the Baltic sea.

    Czechoslovak poster mobilizing people to find and burn any beetle infestation.

    And all across Eastern Europe

    In the past I would have automatically dismissed this as crude propaganda covering up homegrown incompetence. And yet now….

    • Agree: emersonreturn
  164. Mefobills says:

    It’s like the ongoing anxiety over Taiwan and the future of American hegemony is unconsciously motivating people to embrace the lab leak hypothesis as an excuse.

    The human brain has certain characteristics that make it prone to flawed judgement. I’ve been arguing this point with regards to myelin sheathing of first information, which then leads to narrative control. (Many previous comments in my comment history.)

    Propaganda requires myelin sheathing of first information. Since we now live in clown world, especially with an (((owned))) press, then any first information you hear should automatically turn on your perception filters. Don’t react to first information until you have had more time for thinking things over. Presumably, UNZ readers are of a higher IQ cohort, and have this latent ability.

    This process of propaganda following an agenda also leads to demoralization, where a population cannot easily take on new information at odds with the first-write, or it leads to cognitive dissonance. The brain cannot rewire easily.

    The lab leak hypothesis being taken up readily is in alignment with demoralization concepts, in that the sheathing can be overcome with an emotional shock or some sort of trauma. Absent emotional shock, the other way to rewrite is a barrage of consistent narrative at odds with the old first- information, but it takes a barrage – many times greater effort.

    There is anxiety among globo-homo finance capital, that they are losing the economic game, and hence losing their cat-bird seat as owners of controlling speculative capital. The agents of mammon are being exposed as not-god. China’s industrial capitalism type of economy is winning on all fronts.

    This projection onto others is also a function of the brain, the build up of ghosts that don’t exist, but instead are conjured. Globo homo actors conjure up ghosts and then project onto others.

    Reg Morrison explains it as the time delay between the Amygdala and Hippocampus. Those people who are especially prone to anxiety and fears, meaning the hysterical (((type))), are likely to be the most prone to projection. They actually believe what they are projecting.

    http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/enigma_code.pdf

    Indeed, repeated studies have now confirmed that it is the reptile-amphibian core of the brain (see diagram, labelled in red) that instantly lights up in response to new data and altered circumstances. The conscious ‘rational brain’, centered in the prefrontal cortex, begins to fire up some 500 milliseconds later— after the board of genetic directors in the basement have had time to assess the incoming data for any concealed threats to their security and survival. If threats are implicit in the data, the parliament of genes overwhelms the rational brain with a flood of emotion and issues a set of directives for well-proven genetic behavior. So emotion is the flag of genetic behavior and signals that the rational brain has been bypassed in the interest of long-term genetic survival. If our Amygdala has been triggered, we react ‘instinctively’ with anger, lust or fear. If not, then we think and act ‘morally’—out of love, duty, or a sense of justice and compassion. Meanwhile the brain’s propaganda department patches together a reasoned explanation for that behavior in order to maintain a reassuring facade of rational ‘free will’.

    A rational brain can hold information in abeyance and not become emotional, but it takes mental training. A rational brain can hold a hypothesis without having full information, and not fly off the handle in hysterics.

    Unconscious motivation of people is by using FUD (fear, uncertainty, and disease).

    Who is the bigger FUD conjurer, China or Globo-homo?

  165. Cowboy says:

    Hey, abductive reasoning is fun!

    Let’s follow the logic.

    A novel virus breaks out in Chink city when American military personnel is present in that city.

    Therefore, American military personnel are the cause of novel virus break out in Chink city.

    The consequent has been affirmed!

    I wonder what conclusions can be reached using abductive reasoning for all the chinkcom apologists on this site?

    • Troll: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  166. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    Newsweek picks up on the Rick Wiles hit job at Trunews:

    “Polling has shown that conservative white evangelical Christians are one of the groups most likely to be skeptical about COVID-19 vaccines. A mid-February survey conducted by Pew Research showed that about 45 percent of white evangelicals said they “definitely” or “probably” will not get vaccinated against the virus.

    While some Christian leaders—like Wiles—have promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 vaccines, others have called on their followers to get vaccinated. Evangelical Christian leader Franklin Graham, president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and humanitarian aid organization Samaritan’s Purse, has repeatedly urged people to get the shots.

    “I thank God for the vaccine,” Graham told CNN earlier this month.

    Although conspiracy theories about the vaccines have circulated widely, scientists and medical professionals have repeatedly attested to the safety and efficacy of the approved vaccines. Rigorous scientific trials have clearly demonstrated that the vaccines are safe and highly effective against preventing severe cases of COVID-19.”

    lol. The next domino to fall after “wild covid” is going to be “vaccines are safe”.

    Meanwhile some Israeli blog has picked up on the Trunews covid hit. They are speculating that Wiles got infected by the hard core Zionist Milo Yiannopoulos who visited him at Flowing Springs shortly before the covid cluster bomb hit:

    “I was concerned that Milo’s presence at Flowing Streams was some kind of setup, and his time spent with Trunews should be revisited and investigated”

    Milo of course has Jewish family and recently claimed that he had found god, stopped loving sodomy, and become an pristine and virginal evangelical. Shortly afterwards Rick Wiles welcomed the globo-homo Zionist Milo into the Trunews family and featured a long interview with him.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  167. SafeNow says:

    China Airlines Flight 605 exemplifies the cavalier ethos of the Chinese toward safety measures. Two Chinese pilots plowed off the runway into shallow water at Kong when they decided to land in a storm, including wind shear. A missed approach — a minimum safety measure — was mandatory, but was ignored. Minutes before, a British Airways pilot refused to land at all.

    Regarding the Wuhan Lab, the U.S. well knew the Chinese predilection to be grudging about safety measures. Examples abounded. The U.S. also understood the hazardous potential of the gain-of-function research. In fact, this was quite arguably the most dangerous project in the history of the world. One would thus think that, quietly and behind the scenes, the U.S. would insist upon extraordinary safety measures as a precondition to the funding; and, pay for these precautions. The failure of this obvious necessity to be implemented is puzzling.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  168. @mapman

    Yup, agree. Most ppl are scientifically illiterate and dont think this trough. I worked for hVivo when they still had the only viral challenge model in humans in the world. Just finding the right viral titration for the viral challenges was such a hard task and needed constant fiddling.
    In fact, the COVID19 viral load that will infect a healthy adult, on average, is still not established, AFAIK. Any lab in the world works with miniscule quantities of viruses, in principle, so the “lab-leak” theory is utterly laughable.

    On the other hand, coordinated release, however…

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Brás Cubas
  169. @Ron Unz

    Do you appreciate that this theory has no more evidence for it than a handful of inevitable coincidences?

    I say “inevitable ” because with any event of this size, there will be many seemingly coincidental occurrences, and these ones are very minor.

    To take an example, you make a big deal out of the military games taking place in Wuhan, very vaguely, at the time which Covid-19 got started; but China is not North Korea, and US citizens go to China, and Wuhan, all of the time.

    It is extremely easy to visit China and be anonymous when doing so. If anything, the rough coincidence, of the US military-affiliated athletes being there, argues against US seeding.

    You only need one person to seed a virus and that person could have gone there whenever. They would have therefore chosen any other time.

    A much more obvious coincidence is Covid appearing in the same city as the Chinese lab that would be most likely to have developed it.

    Now you might argue that this is why the US seeded it there, but the US did not set the location of the military games, so that would defeat your previous coincidence.

    Ultimately, this is all just internet fantasy, but, clearly, a virus which the Chinese were well-equipped to deal with, originating in the same city as the lab which they would develop it in, and which, in every country, has least affected people of East Asian genetic descent, would more obviously be a Chinese lab leak than anything else artifical.

    • Agree: Spect3r
  170. dgh says:
    @ebear

    A variation on your ‘China release was an accident related to Iran biowarfare’ thesis would be that the accident was via US military participants in the Wuhan games.

    A faulty sterilization chamber at Ft Detrick would allow military personnel to come in contact with the biowarfare virus. The military personnel would then start the spread of biowarfare virus first within the U.S. military then to the Wuhan military games then to the Wuhan population.

    Exponential spread starts very slowly and could account for some of the details in timing both in China and later spread to Italy.

    This concept is supported by an article in Military Times stating that the Ft Detrick lab has reopened:
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/01/cdc-lifts-shutdown-order-army-biolabs-fort-detrick.html

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  171. anonymous[477] • Disclaimer says:

    Just a correction: it’s ‘DONALD G. McNeil, Jr’ and not ‘Douglas G. McNeil, Jr’

  172. An outstanding presentation of the facts surrounding the origin of the virus. The author slices through one year of disinformation intended to hide the criminals behind the virus release. Otherwise sane alternative media sources have accepted the lab-leak theory out of desperation to escape the impossibility of wet market spontaneous generation.

    Having failed to pin the blame on the pangolin, the conspirators now attempt to pin it on the Chinese government. The media and other clever manipulators of the truth have managed to hide the crimes in a way that stirs up animosity toward the Chinese in the sordid hope of starting a war.

    With meticulous precision, the article deflates the deception using an exhaustive presentation of the facts and such common sense observations as, “Why would the Chinese release a bioweapon on themselves?”

    Like a pit bull grasping the leg of a burglar, Ron Unz will not allow the criminals to escape the truth no matter how much chaff they release to hide their trail.

    Bravo!

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  173. The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon.

    Here’s where Ron goes off the rails. That the Chinese reacted swiftly was not unfortunate for the plotters because economic sabotage was not the goal. Conflict between the US and China was the goal, and in that light, their plan is working perfectly.

    The rogue Deep State neocons have worked with Mossad in the past to pull off world-changing events, and it’s likely they are here, too. Remember, it was an Israeli blogger who tipped off a Taiwanese TV program to suspect the US world games team, it was an Israeli lab that jumped the gun on a vaccine, it is Israel that hates Iran, it was an Israeli media outlet that confirmed the early DIA warning to give that story a boost. And, you can be sure that story is burning up the Chinese internet since it confirms from the Chinese perspective that this was a US attack on China. China is, no doubt, even now weighing an appropriate response. What might that be? To assuage Chinese outrage, an invasion of Taiwan? Deployment of their own bioweapon?

    But why would Israel want to see conflict between the US and China?

    And the Lord thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: …there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. Deut 7:22-24 and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. Deut 15:6

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anonym25
    , @Iris
  174. Mefobills says:
    @Cowboy

    It’s not abductive reasoning. You are building a strawman.

    There are hundreds of variables to consider and cannot be reduced to some sort of simple reasoning process.

    Some variables that are known, but are absent in your strawman:

    1) A lab leak requires a large viral load to infect a patient zero. 2) Patient zero then infects a population at a single point (not multiple points). 3) There are no intermediate hosts in nature. 4) There appear to have been at least two types of Covid 5) Statistical unlikely-hood of spike protein evolutionary jump and 6)

    On going economic confrontation between the finance capitalist west and industrial capitalist China. (You wouldn’t understand this since you are a Lolbertarian).

    • Replies: @Cowboy
    , @Ben the Layabout
  175. Skeptikal says:

    ” virus eventually known as Covid-19,”

    Jesus, Ron, can’t you get the basics right?

    Covid-19 is the name of the *disease*.

    The name of the virus is SARS-CoV-2.

    Quite apart from this major lapse, it is pretty clear that you yourself have an agenda.

    In fact, I expect this post will not see the light of day.

    Three earlier binnings now constitute a pattern of your own Overton Window at this site, or on threads that deal with the Covid Operation.

    • Agree: R2b
    • Troll: Sean
    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @Skeptikal
  176. @Anatoly Karlin

    You seem to be struggling with the latest “news” about provenance.

    So, does the high-Q guy stand by his smug endorsement (“Anti-Vax Signaling”) of the shot(s)?

  177. demonstrable cowardice and incompetence of our leading media organs

    This is 100% true, but let’s call a spade a spade. This shameful about-face has nothing to do with Wade and Baker articles. These articles did not contain anything that was not available in the public domain before. I strongly suspect that these articles appeared after their authors, in line with Orwell’s 1984, were “quietly handed a note partway through” and “completely reversed” themselves after that. Basically, the media remain as beholden to their unscrupulous owners as they ever were. The difference is, the lies preferred by the owners reversed.
    Looks like after a successful coup of 2020 internal fighting among the “winners” led to this about-face, as well as to “leaks” about Gates’ culpability (connections to infamous Epstein, etc.).

    highly-dangerous form

    This should be taken with a grain of salt (more like, with a bag of salt). The best covid description I’ve seen so far was in a comment on this site: “the disease so deadly that you need a test to detect it”. Stats comparing different countries and US states that used or did not use closedowns and other restrictive measures suggest that the number of cases and deaths does not correlate at all with official response. The US stats show that vastly different levels of “vaccination” in different states also do not correlate with the number of cases and deaths. This would be impossible if this were an epidemic of contagious disease.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  178. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Fifty two hundred words to distract from fact that Wuhan virologists, with indirect US funding via Dr. Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, were evaluating chimeric corona viruses for human infectivity, as tested on human tissue cultures and humanized mice:

    WHO inspector caught on camera revealing coronavirus manipulation in Wuhan before pandemic

    The pandemic has thus, pretty certainly, been the result of US:Chinese collaboration. And that collaboration either led to an unintended lab leak, or to an exercise to evaluate pandemic control measures before someone lets loose a corona virus with a lethality of 50% plus, not Covid’s 0.05%.

    cf:

  179. gay troll says:
    @Skeptikal

    Ron got caught in the Monarch Mind Control butterfly net. Or perhaps replaced by a pod person.

  180. @utu

    There is a paper by Garry that I found quite persuasive against a lab-leak origin and in favor of a natural origin. Perhaps you already know it, since you quoted two other papers by that author:

    Early appearance of two distinct genomic lineages of SARS-CoV-2 in different Wuhan wildlife markets suggests SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin
    https://virological.org/t/early-appearance-of-two-distinct-genomic-lineages-of-sars-cov-2-in-different-wuhan-wildlife-markets-suggests-sars-cov-2-has-a-natural-origin/691

    Here’s an excerpt (but the paper is worth reading in its entirety, since it is quite accessible and has very interesting considerations):

    Lab Leak scenarios are inconsistent with several established facts regarding the origin of SARS-CoV-2. The majority of early cases were linked to different markets that sold wildlife or wildlife products in Wuhan. All theories of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 must account for the linkage to different market engaged in wildlife trade. Theories on SARS-CoV-2 must also account for the fact that two distinct lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were distributed at different Wuhan wildlife markets. Scenarios where an infected laboratory worker, an escaped lab animal or faulty waste disposal spread not one but two lineages of SARS-CoV-2 specifically to different wildlife markets are difficult to rationalize.

    • Thanks: utu, Levtraro
  181. @michael888

    I think it’s better for a disease’s victims to be elderly … it is preferable to losing the young and healthy…

    In a logical, economic and social sense, if someone has to die, then your view makes sense. I get that, I really do.

    I’m just personally annoyed that people are dying in the first place, when they don’t have to – according to Dr. Peter McCullough, 85-90% of the Corona Chan fatalities could have been avoided if the known safe and effective remedies hadn’t been deliberately blocked by Western governments.

    [MORE]

    Dr. Peter McCullough speaks on the Corona Chan “vaccines”

    Short Version (16 minutes)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Full Version (1 hour 45 minutes)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf31sl/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Regarding the push to inject the youngsters –

    Not clear why so many young and healthy are being vaccinated? Natural immunity is usually preferable to vaccine immunity, and the young and healthy tolerate Covid-19 well (plus there are always side effects to vaccines, at least as risky for the young and healthy as Covid-19).

    … it’s pretty self-evident that the injections (which the manufacturers themselves admit neither stop you from catching or spreading Corona Chan) aren’t really about Corona Chan at all, in fact it’s quite the reverse – the Corona Chan “pandemic” is all about getting everyone – EVERYONE on Earth, right down to 6 month old babies – injected with the experimental “vaccines”.

    The fact that previous prototype coronavirus vaccines killed 100% of the test animals should start alarm bells ringing. This time, they didn’t bother with any animal testing. This time around, WE are the test animals. But I’d hazard a guess that the Masters ofthe Universe know exactly what they’re doing, even though the common folk haven’t figured it out yet.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  182. Cowboy says:
    @Mefobills

    Is your butt still hurt that I torched you with a Reductio?

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  183. @theMann

    I imagine the insurance companies, like hospitals, have retainered every tort lawyer in sight to set up conflict of interest if you try to sue these slime. Ask me how I know.

    How do you know?

    • Replies: @theMann
  184. @ebear

    Yes, that’s a great point. I’ve never understood why Unz et al think it’s unlikely for a virus outbreak in China to spread to Iran. China and Iran have very deep trade links, and all it would take is one Iranian returning from Wuhan or one Chinese visiting Iran to start the spread.

    Additionally, US sanctions on Iran have prevented Iran from importing medical supplies. See

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49051782
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/10/29/iran-sanctions-threatening-health
    https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/u-s-sanctions-and-iran-s-coronavirus-22352/

    So not only is there an easy explanation for how COVID could have spread to the Iranian leadership from China, there’s a good explanation for why their elderly clerics would have died at a high rate from it.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  185. MarkinLA says:

    I have seen reports that the new India strain is the currently the most deadly. It also seems there is an Indian-UK version floating around in Vietnam.

    The problem with all these different variants is they point to a bad choice of pathogen for a bioweapon. The past bioweapons that have been reported on were based on smallpox and anthrax that were more easily controlled.

    The researchers had to see the uncontrollability of this virus. The idea that the US released it to get Iran and risk destroying NATO and it’s allegiances in the Indo-Pacific region seems too far fetched even for the Israel Firsters in Washington.

  186. covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, not one source says that it has been isolated, it is an illusion that works better than a real virus, it accomplishes the same thing without the risk of killing off people who the elites do not want genocided, it is the perfect scam and psyop and its goal is to depopulate the earth.

    The so called vaccine is not a vaccine , it is an injection of mRNA that alters the DNA and destroys the immune system, it is the perfect genocide tool, and this is what it is , depopulate the earth.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  187. A.z says:
    @Ron Unz

    This is not a man-made virus there would be too many signs if it was engineered. But let me tell u a common sense reason why it isn’ engineered. As u have shown it is unlikely a lab leak but deliberately released if it was man made but if a kabal did it,. They must develop it themselves outside in their own controlled lab by expert who r not well known and can be disposed of( not some well known virus being developed in a military facility part of the governments own program, as risk ofpenetration by foreign agents or someone coming forward is too great). Our life science is simply not developed enough as shown by the response. If any mid tier or upper mid tier group could’ve developed covid then our life science field would’ve been progressive enough for the world community to develope a tailor made countermeasure within a monthwith all the scientific research concen on this. Also generally we would’ve had countermeasure for aids and cancer by now.
    This is simply us putting on brass knuckles to bash China by baseless propaganda

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  188. @Simon Tugmutton

    If it was developed as a bioweapon, the developers did a lousy job…

    It’s becoming clearer that the Corona Chan bug is a devilishly clever piece in a demonically fiendish plan.

    The Corona Chan bug itself is basically little more than a garden variety cold virus, but it serves as the delivery vehicle for the so-called “spike protein” which is the bioweapon that causes injury and mortality.

    The true genius of the scheme is that all of the Western Corona Chan “vaccines” introduce that very same “spike protein” into the targets – the bioweapon that causes injury and mortality, but in astonishing numbers and unattached to any virus. Worse, in the case of the mRNA “vaccines”, the induced cellular production of the “spike protein” has no “off switch”.

    “Vaccination” will thereby produce injury and mortality with symptoms indistinguishable from a severe response to the Corona Chan bug – so “vaccine” casualties will be blamed on Corona Chan “variants” (and in fact, already are, labeled as so-called “breakthrough infections”).

    Relatively harmless Corona Chan bug, deadly “vaccines”, plausible deniability and a perpetual cycle of more “vaccines” until there’s no one left to “save”.

    And 120 million Americans have already been injected. Christmas 2021 will be a time to remember, for all the wrong reasons.

  189. @meamjojo

    If you’re able to weaken the human immune system by injecting a Vax by force, scar, threats or loose of livelihood, while they prepare the next Global Homo outbreak that delivers the final blow (Pun intended), they’ve succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
    You’ll never read about this one hundred years from now, Robotic AI could care less about imperfect creatures as human. And the humans still alive are breed for the benefit of AI pedophile overlords emulating their former perverted masters.

  190. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonFromTN

    This shameful about-face has nothing to do with Wade and Baker articles. These articles did not contain anything that was not available in the public domain before. I strongly suspect that these articles appeared after their authors, in line with Orwell’s 1984, were “quietly handed a note partway through” and “completely reversed” themselves after that.

    My opinion is that much of the MSM and political elites had been looking for a way to do an about-face on the virus issue after Trump lost and the Biden people decided to continue the confrontation with China. Plus all substantial pro-Trump/anti-China rightwing media was obviously eager to have their lab-leak theories vindicated.

    Personally, I think Baker was absolutely sincere, and he wrote exactly what he believed, though perhaps he decided to wait until Trump was gone. His article probably would have produced the complete MSM reversal in January if it hadn’t gotten swamped by the Trumpists storming the Capitol.

    I don’t know Baker, so that’s mere speculation on my part, but I’ve been friendly with Wade for about a decade, so I dropped him a congratulatory note after his article appeared, and we subsequently exchanged a number of emails.

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, I can absolutely, positively guarantee that he wasn’t “nudged” by anyone into writing his important article. Please remember that it was just self-published on a blogging site rather than released with great fanfare by a high-profile publication.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Greta Handel
    , @utu
  191. Wild Man says:
    @michael888

    michael888 – on your comment:

    “While the Elderly should have the focus of protection from the start, it is preferable to losing the young and healthy (the horrible Spanish flu a hundred years ago spared the Elderly). “

    …. yes …. one thing that it very concerning is that Covid Officialdom still doesn’t seem to want to impose the necessary rational yardstick, with respect to measuring the impacts of their polices …… and the necessary rational measure is that it is absolutely imperative (for rationality-sake) that the outcomes of Covid Officiadom’s actions be measured in terms of person-years of life saved or lost. One of the very weird things (among many) about Covid Officialdom’s policies, is that these policies muchly favor the self-interest of older-aged cohorts, to the detriment of the self-interest of the younger-aged cohorts, which is immediately apparent once one starts measuring of policy outcomes by way of person-years of life saved or lost, instead of just lives saved or lost, yet this more precise and needed measure is discouraged. One of many many many weirdnesses, that don’t make any rational sense, and do not correspond to historical practices, with respect to the official extremely wonky covid narrative as promoted by Covid Officialdom.

  192. Nancy says:
    @FB

    Seems you ‘followed the money’. The ultimate explicator… thx.

    • Thanks: FB
  193. @Ron Unz

    I don’t know either Wade or Baker personally. So, I have no reason to either believe or question their intentions. Thing is, all the info in both articles was on the Internet long before. Even if the articles were honest attempts to get to the bottom of this, they clearly weren’t the first (or even the second, third, etc.). The about-face of the MSM is certainly a choreographed change of lies spread by lying elites (or a fraction of those elites that found new lies more advantageous for themselves).

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  194. geokat62 says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    You’ve laid out a much more plausible scenario.

  195. @Admiral Assbar

    China and Iran have very deep trade links, and all it would take is one Iranian returning from Wuhan or one Chinese visiting Iran to start the spread.

    Your logic is impeccable, given the salient information.

    FWIW, I recall from very early in the piece, way back in early 2020, an article or two right here on Unz.com which alleged that the Corona Chan bugs in China, Iran and Italy were all found to be different strains. The inference was that the Iran strain was a rather more nasty bug than the Wuhan version.

    That also seemed to gel with independent Japanese and Taiwan university studies (also referenced here on Unz.com) which concluded that, of all the various coronavirus strains out there, only North America had the full complement and so was deemed the likely original source of Corona Chan.

    All this is just from memory, of course, so I might well be mistaken. Just food for thought, anyway.

  196. Greg S. says:
    @Ron Unz

    That presumes one believes the “official CNN narrative” out of India. Interesting how we can pick and choose which official narratives to believe and which to ignore.

    The reports out of India are mixed and often contradictory. Your own article alludes to this. This Indian man gives a nice summary of the alternative side of the story: that the extra deaths in India are due to the lockdowns, rising food prices, and starvation (and the worst is yet to come):
    https://odysee.com/@ResistanceGB:0/Indian-Farmers-II-uncensored:1

    [MORE]

    Also if you know anything about India, and the level of sanitation in that country, you should have been absolutely amazed that for most of the pandemic, not much at all was happening in India. Why the sudden and dramatic shift in narrative?

    “Empirically,” it seems quite obvious to me that white European countries have been hit the hardest by the COVID-19 virus itself. Almost like someone planned it that way. You yourself say time and time again that America has fared terribly under COVID-19. Also Italy comes to mind as being hard hit. White South American countries also come to mind (but not the northern, more mixed race countries on that continent). In most Asian countries, such as China, it’s business as usual.

    It’s also worth noting that white European peoples and cultures are under attack in our world right now in multitude of ways, many of which are regularly documented by Unz.com columnists. White = bad is the common refrain of the day.

    And China just announced they are allowing 3 children per family now…

    Coincidence that as one culture/race is targeted for destruction, another appears to rise to take it’s place?

    Sometimes what appears to be the obvious truth is actually the truth, and complicated conspiracy theories are not required as explanations.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  197. Ron Unz & all readers

    Thanks a ton. Michael Lewis’s new book premonition is a gift. Likely he weighed the unintended with the intended consequences of writing the book. I could troll the book any place & all the time haha.

    [MORE]

    It settles the hisaab – the account – the maths & the science for even the wee bit skeptical.

    When “the road ahead” came out – when was it was it in the 80s or the 90s? I saw in India people begin the play with what are apps today. the scroll bars, the screen grabs, calendars, todos, contact lists, what not till Saddam was asked askance into babies got killed ku wait & killed 4 selling oil in euros for the divided house west which is in a currency war within itself first – hey htf can you print euro for an union when we cant for the Nau. So the freemason jobbers played on forever before the makework buttcoin was conjured. It was hey you all just bill the $ dont you worry abt sheeting time India is a natural ally of us we celebrate porn & u religion the dick haha sivalinga sivalinga.

    Cia or darpa or the board behind the ceo, call the entity what you will, wtf does a ceo or prez know anyway when he is coming onto the Fleader job, the Ciazon builds the apps or gadgets or deezine patterns pornviewers or vaccines over years spanning decaydes & then emerges them out like a rare student does the full prep w/mocks before he walks his dick out for play

    Look up the book. Skim thru. glimpse thru. Or read it up like it is a legal case file

    2+2=wuhan haha

  198. Johan says:

    Orwell’s 1984 is a satire on democracy, rather a morbid one, which is the only type of satire which in a democracy can become popular, aside of the very vulgar and crude form. A Plato’s Republic type of a criticism of democracy would get no attention.
    Since democratic people have no sense of humour, or as Oscar Wilde wrote, the people are grotesque, absurd and overly serious, 1984 has become the favourite book of conspiracy theorists and all kinds of democratic journalists on the ‘alternative side’.
    The only ‘dot connector’ you need in a democracy is that of connecting the absurd with the absurd.

  199. The latest Indian variant is proving really deadly; more than 10% of the infected have to be hospitalized, and, of them, a very significant portion die…

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  200. Miro23 says:
    @Z-man

    If not known for anything else Taibbi will be immortalized for this; Taibbi described Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”.

    The root of the trouble seems to be Chinese exclusion of the great vampire squid from their country/economy. The great vampire squid’s unhappiness is expressed in multiple ways.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Z-man
  201. R2b says:
    @John Wear

    These basic historic facts, you will not get an answer here. But according to Köhnlein and Engelbrecht, in their excellent ”Virus Mania”, no such solid science exist. There’s just to much money and politcal gain to be made. Politics and money, that is the gain of function. (And please accept this one, mr adm)

  202. @Greg S.

    Interesting how we can pick and choose which official narratives to believe and which to ignore.

    Simple rule of thumb: if something is an official narrative, it’s a lie. Basically, it ain’t true unless the government denies it.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Rich
  203. It may be worse than that. Evidence is coming out that a process akin to viral shedding is causing disease in the unjabbed when exposed to the jabbed. No one knows what is going on, though there is speculation that what is being transmitted is the spike protein, which of course is now being manufactured wholesale by those who’ve had the shot.

    [MORE]

    Men are apparently reporting testicular pain, but gynaeocological disturbance is far more common, taking the form of miscarriages, irregular periods, vaginal bleeding in post-menopausal women and even pre-menarche girls (in one reported case an infant of 22 months expelled a blood-clot the size of a hen’s egg), and even wholesale decidual casting. A study is in progress to investigate these phenomena:

    https://mycyclestory.com/

    There are such things as self-spreading vaccines, and this process may be analogous. If it is really happening, the perpetrators must have an antidote for themselves. This may be one of two compounds, suramin or shikimic acid, or both, and the solution could be as simple as a tea made from pine needles (really!):

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-05-09-is-pine-needle-tea-the-answer-to-covid-vaccine-shedding-suramin-shikimic-acid.html

    This webinar offers more about possible strategies for keeping healthy:

    https://rumble.com/vhqjrb-critically-thinking-with-dr.-t-and-dr.-p-episode-48-special-edition-5-doc-u.html

    Crazy stuff, but we are living in a bloody nightmare.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  204. Wild Man says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Ultrafart thr Brave – on your comment:

    “according to Dr. Peter McCullough, 85-90% of the Corona Chan fatalities could have been avoided if the known safe and effective remedies hadn’t been deliberately blocked by Western governments.”

    [MORE]

    …. yes ….. the link you provided embedded in your comment, to the longer Dr. Peter McCullough interview (the one that is 1 hour and 45 minutes long), …. this is key for everyone to absorb what this clinician has to say. I have been watching all the twists and turns of the unfolding covid narrative from near the beginning. Dr. Peter McCullough is not mis-representing anything, in that long interview. Everything he outlines, happened just like he said it happened (as anyone who was following closely enough will have to concede).

    The documented behavior of western Covid Officialdom’s attitude – an attitude of downplaying, blocking, censoring, and shaming of information coming from medical clinical professionals willing to innovate around potential non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, (inclusive of temporary withdrawal of professional credentials as occurred in some cases), so as to go all-in on vaccine development instead, which was Covid Officialdom’s apparent attitude by around the end of April/20, is evidence for the claim that the vaxx IS the agenda (and note that alot of people died unnecessarily because of this vaxx-or-nothing stance). Since this Covid Officialdom attitude was and is unexpected and irrational, I don’t think it is wise for our bloghost (or anyone) – to simply ignore these facts as inconsequential.

    If a rogue Pompeo (or Bolton or other well-placed NeoCon) was the moron-mastermind behind the actual original infection source … then why, after such moronic operation backfired and brought unanticipated death to America, did Covid Officialdom not seek to mitigate that potential death, by way of sponsoring clinical innovations around non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics?

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  205. Herald says:
    @Miro23

    It’s clear that China isn’t Iraq, but the Neo-cons have probably still made the (very high risk) calculation that the US has sufficient power to defeat China in a conventional war in the South China Sea.

    Yes that is becoming clear and it is high risk indeed. The US is highly unlikely to have sufficient conventional power to roll China over in the South China Sea or anywhere else for that matter.

    The Neos know that such a reckless conventional adventure would almost certainly end very badly, but they will see it as a way of propelling a butt-hurt US and its public into accepting a full scale nuclear attack, so getting rid of the Chinese problem once and for all. Then on to Russia, no doubt.

    So many things could go wrong here, not least Russia siding early with China, but Neo-cons don’t always see things all that clearly.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  206. @A.z

    They must develop it themselves outside in their own controlled lab by expert who r not well known and can be disposed of( not some well known virus being developed in a military facility part of the governments own program, as risk ofpenetration by foreign agents or someone coming forward is too great).

    Yes, that is a correct observation. If one supposes instead that the perpetrators stole the virus from a regular research lab, that would obviously become known by every person involved in that research the minute the virus identity became public; those persons would obviously become whistleblowers in potential. The only way to avoid that would have been to have the entire research team as accomplices to the operation. That would obviously be very difficult, to say the least.

    And since we are on that line of speculation, what about the field agents who, as per the hypothesis, thought they were on an official mission? Do they still think that? Are they reliable to keep the secret forever? Secret agents must have a very peculiar mind indeed if that’s the case.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Iris
  207. BorisMay says:

    The first problem with this article is that there isn’t a virus…thus Ron Unz is brainwashed by the very media he purportedly opposes.

    [MORE]

    Second all virus deaths are attributed with absolutely no autopsies to confirm this.

    Third, the virus can only be the ordinary flu virus we experience every year, renamed by big Pharma as Covid.

    Fourth, follow the money is the first and foremost rule of thumb in investigations. The money goes to big Pharma which is owned lock, stock and barrel by Vanguard Investments, a privately owned company similar to Blackrock.

    Fifth, the main beneficiaries are the 2,250 billionaires, trillionaires and quadrillionairrs. On top of that there about 100 other families that are so stinking rich, no one, not even them know quite how much they are worth.

    Sixth, if you were one of these families, would you bother manufacturing a virus when you can create a mythical one with the lying, two faced backstabber politicians, media barons and advertising agencies all based on lies, fear and people’s unrealistic desires to live for ever?

    Seventh…Ron Unz has clearly lost the plot writing this obfuscation. Wise up Ron before it is too late.

    • Thanks: Emslander, John Wear
  208. @Ron Unz

    […] I’ve been friendly with Wade for about a decade, so I dropped him a congratulatory note after his article appeared, and we subsequently exchanged a number of emails.

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, […]

    Did Mr. Wade tell you why, beginning with its title

    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    his article without acknowledgement much less justification restricts any discussion of provenance to China?

  209. @Whistleblower

    thank you for reposting this. very important piece of the puzzle.

  210. mh505 says:
    @Alvin

    How right can you get?

  211. Mefobills says:
    @Cowboy

    It is almost always the case that Lolbertarians are personality defectives.

    You are another prime example.

    Instead of admitting to your obvious strawman, you divert.

    Lols for the most part are demoralized types, similar to Jews.

  212. Ace says:
    @Emslander

    I have immense respect for Mr. Unz and his ability to churn out articles of amazing insight and honesty. However, the “military athletes unleashed the virus” theory still seems weak to me as it’s too obvious a mechanism. Developing information about earlier lab illnesses and now a particular patient 1 may completely sideline the theory that some operative in the athletic contingent was the source. Far more discrete options were available and I don’t buy that the putative US operatives would choose a time and a mechanism that I consider amateurish.

    I further don’t buy that any responsible, intelligent official — and that is who would have devised, authorized and/or implemented this act of war against China — would discount the clear danger that a virus in the wild in China would spread willy nilly in this highly interconnected vale of tears. The Spanish Flu reached remote areas of Alaska when communications were still vestigial. Nothing less than a presidential decision would have been necessary to take this kind of action and I do not believe Trump would have consented. Even Obama had enough sense to draw back from a reasonably limited action against Syria after the bogus Ghouta incident in 2013. Big shout out to you, Mr. President. You done good, Sir.

    If Trump’s approval can be discounted then were into another layer of rogue/deep state operating that I think really and truly “out there” as the kiddies might say.

    The inclusion of medical advisers in the planning of this assault would be an absolute necessity and it’s a certainty he or they would have been aghast at the idea of a half-assed plan to infect the planet. I am sure the core group of the operation would have necessarily been even larger. And the larger the group the more certain there will be a leak and then it’s off to the races with “damage control” if there is a leak. The public’s appetite for Epstein suicide fairy tales is probably dangerously close to being sated.

    And any person who consented to be part of such a group had to assume a bullseye could be painted on his or her back at any time that his or her continued existence was considered a bother. Tragic Tesla accident and all that.

    The composition of such an operational team or unit is also of interest. In my opinion, only absolute psychopaths would run or take part in the planning and execution of such an abomination. I’ve known precisely one in my long life and I don’t believe that, in general, they are in short supply, but I’m thinking not even the USG would would use such a personality as an operative in or as the honcho of the operation. There is the “seven countries in five years” mindset. The officer or NCO who disclosed this plan to Gen. Clark, for example, reflects the good sense and morals possessed by any and all members of the military with whom I served. Ditto for my time in the Agency. These people are our brothers and sisters and who they are should be our starting point rather than the notion that they are gutless, immoral careerists. Even though one of our very highest officials gifted us with the memorable, “We came. We saw. He died.” exultation, any officials slightly removed from people such as her on down will more and more start to resemble rather normal people with mortgages and lawns to mow.

    Now, all that said, there remain one more plausible theory, two countervailing mysteries, and a plain vanilla mystery. The theory of negligent lab operation/accidental lab release scenario seems far more simple, esp. as it does not entail a rogue US operation to commit an act of war against China.

    The first countervailing mystery is Why did the Chinese permit travel out of China as the infection reached dangerous levels? I don’t know the answer but I don’t buy that they absolutely understood the necessity of shutting down city travel and travel to other Chinese cities but they did not understand that international air travel should also be shut down.

    The other countervailing mystery is why was there such a full-court press inside the U.S. to shut down discussion of HCQ, Invermectin, and whatever other non-vaccine approaches that were clearly worth examining if not embracing wholeheartedly. The initial weeks of confusion and backing and filling would certainly have included a Karl Rove-type whiteboard and a brainstormed list of resources, options, and threat analysis. But these “alternative” treatments not only didn’t get discussed but discussion of them was banished by none other than YouTube and Facebook. The famous Lancet article was an out and out deliberate distortion. On top of all this there was also the obvious manipulation of the true effect of the virus in cases of death (in the statistics) and the fraud of the pumped up PCR test cycle threshold and the different cycle rate mandated for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

    What was that all about? It seems with this kind of suppression of inconvenient narrative we’re edging closer to Great Reset territory.

    Contrary to what I just said about normal, decent people in the government I absolutely believe there is a deep reservoir of pure malevolence and stupidity in the political class that would make embracing the lies of the Great Reset a piece of cake. “Because we love you!”

    Add in the deceitful commitment to economic destruction via lockdown (and the Green/”climate change” agenda, incitement of AntiFa and BLM, egregious electoral fraud and the rise of the lunatic, malevolent left and behind the obsession with vaccines and it’s possible to posit that there is something in all of this that boils down to deliberate destruction of the U.S. and implementation of the Deep State’s most heartfelt desire — population reduction. There’s something just odd about this hysteria about vaccination, vaccination, vaccination for a disease that’s not that bad.

    Maybe the last mystery — why Fauci was so extraordinarily eager to finance gain-of-function in China, no less — folds into the Great Reset scenario. I dunno. But applying the Holmesian formula, since the U.S. government response at all levels is absolutely inconsistent with a moral, rational, patriotic, decent mindset, therefore, no matter how unlikely, the only conclusion possible is that we are witnessing a scheme of extraordinary malevolence. In general, that makes sense for a lot of other reasons but a fortiori in this context. The war on China theory just doesn’t seem to hold a candle to that.

    PS – it’s also a mystery why China would be interested in GOF function research.

    PPS — I think your second sentence is too hard on Mr. Unz. I believe he’s a fair-minded gent and his analysis is valuable for the insights he has into our absurd times and the informed commentary it has stimulated.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Wild Man
    , @Anon
  213. How many of you anons understand the lab leak theory is stupid as fuck considering how Iran was simultaneous hit?

    This was 100% a bioweapon release and attack.

    We better fucking pray the Chinese don’t hit us back in the same way after covid 19 is over with.

  214. Agent76 says:

    Jun 1, 2021 Proof: C0VlD is Product of Man-Made Manipulation

    Suddenly, media is willing to actually look at the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory, but they are asking the wrong questions. I’ve been reporting on this for over a year. Today, I’m re-posting my exclusive interview with Dr. David Martin about the clear paper-trail of gain of function funding stretching back to 2013.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  215. vinteuil says:

    The alpha & omega of this silly piece is that Xi Jinping & the CCP are innocent little lambs in the woods, cruelly framed by Donald Trump & Mike Pompeo for fostering a global pandemic which, in fact, originated in American bio-weapons labs run by neo-con Jews determined to demonize China…neo-con Jews who totally love Donald Trump…

  216. Ace says:
    @216

    I agree about the big tech platforms. It is possible to phrase one’s arguments in language that is free of red hot buzz words. I’ve had some interesting discussions on YouTube for example, but in the end frank exchange of views is not possible with big tech. That said, there are sites like this one, Moon of Alabama, Sic Semper Tyrannis, Occidental Dissent, Russia Dissent, and South Front, inter alia, that offer plenty of opportunity to have free and frank discussions. For now. Actually, I’m banned from MoA but it’s one of the better sites I’ve been banned from.

  217. Ace says:
    @mapman

    I agree that your point one is a valid consideration for the Chinese. The Uighur genocide themelet has taken on a life of its own and I don’t buy it. The U.S. just doesn’t like it when foreign nations don’t agree to commit suicide by fawning over this or that instance of minority dyspepsia.

    I don’t know why the Wuhan Institute research should be seen as one of China’s “crowning scientific achievements.” Why they were willing to engage in dangerous Frankenresearch in cooperation with the U.S. is something I don’t understand.

    Bottom line, however, if it was just stupid research they should come clean. As should we. A lot of clarification would result if we knew what the lab was doing. Non-disclosure = justifiable suspicion.

    I am sure, notwithstanding, that questions of liability may cross their minds.

  218. anonym25 says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    It’s good that you mention that Israel started spreading the rumors of the US team bringing the virus with them to the Wuhan Games because, likewise, a Mossad Agent, Dany Shoham sowed the seeds of the Wuhan lab leak theory in a Washington Post article back in january 2o2o. The Anti-China crowd amplified this narrative through right wing websites such as NTD news and the Zerohedge, among others, to further twist people’s perception. Even the British tabloids dashed to gain the upper hand in the covid19 narrative and spewed even more slanders back in february 2020. In the end, Israel successfully pitted both the US and China to deflect blame on whomever it could be easier to swindle.

    When it comes to weaken economically China, I still agree that was the whole point but we can go ever further and make the claim that they were even targeting the Chinese population. It may be a low fatality virus (although we don’t even know the true extent of the death toll: even Fauci was declaring that as many as 9o0’ooo American citizens just few days ago) but it was also highly transmissible which could run amok in a high density populated city. The death might be able to reach the hundred of thousands if left unchecked, which is why the Chinese decided to tighten the security measures by imposing a regionwide lockdown. Also, we shouldn’t rule out that the Chinese faked the death toll at the beginning for fear it would spark a backlash from the population, thus avoiding accountability which would force the Chinese to speak out and eventually start a war over this.

  219. Z-man says:
    @Miro23

    Good.
    That also partially explains Russia. Putin has put many ‘middle men’ in their place.

  220. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, I can absolutely, positively guarantee that he wasn’t “nudged” by anyone into writing his important article.

    It took him over 12 months (May 2, 2021) to write his article mostly based on what Yuri Deigin wrote already in April 22, 2020.

    Lab-Made? SARS-CoV-2 Genealogy Through the Lens of Gain-of-Function Research
    https://yurideigin.medium.com/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

    Why he did not muster courage to write about it sooner? Was he afraid to be seen as giving support to the deplorable Trump? Or was there a green light which some hidden hand was about to switch on for which he waited? I do not see it to be much different from “nudging”.

    The whole theory of Deigin is based on one claim:

    (i) The furin cleavage fragment looks, seems to be not natural (whatever it means – no quantitative analysis is provided with calculated probabilities of the furin cleavage site occurring naturally)

    and one insinuation

    (ii) RaTG13 that Shi Zhengli pulled out of her sleeve in January 2020 could be a fabrication (mathematically made up sequence) that was made for the sole purpose of the cover up. From which follows that cover up implies guilt.

    Deigin made two different arguments. The first one is debatable as papers that I linked in my comment show:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#comment-4691606

    and the second one which contains in itself the assumption that the virus originated in the Wuhan Lab which is not a valid argument but a rhetorical maneuver

    You strongly rejected the hypothesis that Wuhan Lab leaked the virus, so you must reject one half of Deigin argumentation as specious. Then you are left with Deigin’s claim that the furin cleavage site looks strange. But it does not look strange to people who actually have knowledge of viruses.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  221. Iris says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The rogue Deep State neocons have worked with Mossad in the past to pull off world-changing events, and it’s likely they are here, too.

    To all the points you made, you can add the publicization of the Fort Detrick “break-of containment” and the mysterious EVALI disease that looks exactly like Covid19, and even accurately matches its epidemic footprint.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/lio2.386

    Isn’t it extraordinary that such two exceptional events, bearing a seemingly “logical” link to the emergence of a new unidentified virus, both occurred within six months before the outbreak?
    What is the likelihood of these two confirmed events in the summer 2019 not being linked to the Chinese outbreak of Nov 2019?

    Furthermore, one has to acknowledge that whatever was the endgame of those NeoCons who seeded China, the Biden administration has the same goal, since it is following in their path, at least so far.
    Since there is no change in China policy, those “rogue NeoCons” may actually be very mainstream and powerful, as in those who define the Democratic Party’s foreign policy agenda.

    It becomes obvious, from carefully studying the JFK assassination and the 9/11 founding event, that Israel used the same, very successful Modus Operandi both times. It masterminded, planned, staffed and executed both events. But it also took care of involving hapless actors or individual criminal associates with official governmental positions, who were double-crossed or leveraged, so as official American state institutions became unwittingly and unwillingly associated with the crimes, and had no choice but participate in the cover-up.

    Who does the Covid19 crime benefit to?
    At the top of the list certainly stands Israel, who according to analysts such as Andrew Bacevich, is a prime driver of the US’ hegemonic agenda. The reason is obvious: Israel’s expansion and even existence depends solely on the USA remaining the world’s number one superpower.
    Later events, such as the recent China/Iran strategic pact, retrospectively give even more weight to this fact.

    Israel, too, badly needs the USA to take on China, and Covid19 was the ideal pretext.
    Spreading information about Fort Detrick and the still-mysterious EVALI disease in advance, while similarly denouncing a bio-weapon from the onset, put Israel in the very comfortable position of being protected by several compromising layers, the ultimate being its ability to blackmail the USA.

    It is my speculation: I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel actually possesses evidence that SARS-CoV2 originated in Fort Detrick, and will ultimately use it to blackmail legalist American authorities, in case they don’t pursue the confrontation with China.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  222. Emslander says:
    @Ace

    I believe he’s a fair-minded gent and his analysis is valuable for the insights he has into our absurd times and the informed commentary it has stimulated.

    My impression of Mr. Unz over a fairly short time reading on this web page matches yours, up to this time. In this context, he seems to be following a scorched earth attack on everyone who questions the Fauci agenda.

    I think the berserker style of attacks on anything Trump suggested as cures or ameliorations of the effects of the novel virus indicated something very sinister was going on in our governmental-medical establishment and Mr. Unz seems to have fallen right in behind that campaign.

    I’ve said before that this obsession appears uncharacteristic of Mr. Unz and I’ll leave it at that.

    Otherwise, I find your post very enlightening.

    • Replies: @Ace
  223. Iris says:
    @Brás Cubas

    That would obviously be very difficult, to say the least.

    No. People working in classified establishments, including freelance contractors, are bound by confidentiality commitments governed by strict Regulations.
    Such Regulations originated in the UK in 1911 under the Official Secrets Act, and are now enforced by dozens of NATO countries. Good luck to any whistle blower; they will legally end up like Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  224. @dgh

    this sounds plausible…also it might account for some of WA’s early cases, if some of the military personal flew out of seattle or LA.

  225. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    reb unz says america expected it would not suffer much. it was best prepared and it hadn’t suffered from the other two bat viruses.

    okay. but what about countries other than china and iran? developed countries might be as safe as the US, but developing countries no safer than china or iran. so reb unz is telling us the plotters didn’t care or were so stupid this didn’t occur to them.

    with reb unz’s jfk theory i wonder if he’s ever actually heard of occam’s razor or sailor’s butter knife.

    this is why all copies of the talmud must be kept in the same room as smallpox at the cdc.

  226. Thanks for keeping up with this. I hope that other readers understand that it is difficult to find authentic information about anything to do with the National Security (Deep) State because it is deeply woven into the fabric of society from propaganda/PR to “entertainment” to the Academy.

    COVID is used and will be used in the same way 9/11 was used to increase state power. Because I had done my own investigations concerning Washington’s interest (since the end of WWII) in weaponizing anything and everything to achieve the complete domination (inheriting the Nazi worship of force for its own sake) of the planet by Washington I quickly saw that the most likely explanation of all this was that it was yet another in a looooong series of intel operations to achieve Washington’s long-term goal.

    The good news is that increasing numbers of people have become skeptical of official pronouncements of any kind other than sports and weather–this is not going to reverse itself despite the tireless attempt by the authorities to keep us all in line. Eventually, the authorities will be faced with whether they want to just tell the truth or become human monsters.

  227. ‘the Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world’

    Incorrect. It was the utterly disproportionate reaction to the virus which has devastated much of the world.

    • Agree: Cortes, R2b
  228. Anon[687] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    “ I would be more interested in looking into why the virus eradication policy similar to that in China, Taiwan and NZ was not opted for in the West. ”

    That’s a very good question. The key question, in fact. In the West we have had a waterfall of mistakes, hence the flip-flops (on masks, on border closures, etc).

    So, were those truly mistakes? Or was there an ulterior motive, a method to the madness, a plan for the day after?

    Such a motive could be say, sell vaccines and impuse vaccine passports. Win-win for economic giants and aspiring authoritarians that are working together. Pompeo is —if he is at all— just somebody’s employee. Jacob Schiff launched a school.

    • Replies: @utu
  229. Bolteric says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    Do you think the virus is deadlier in a higher release dose than simply through human communication?

    There were seemingly random deaths that occurred with the least vulnerable individuals. The Congressman-elect from Louisiana comes to mind. He was only 41, and not overweight.

    Also, I’m unclear why China has not suffered a second wave of fatalities after the initial lockdowns over a year ago.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  230. Rdm says:
    @Yee

    While we mere mortals argue over here; the origin of covid or who’s to blame game, twittersphere explodes with swords fight and dagger throws. MSM throw bones here and there, fringe outlets pick up pieces and argue if this is femur or tibia.

    All for the show. The devil is working behind the curtain. China recently approved BlackRock into the mainland. All the 1% throwing us bones to pick fight.

    • Replies: @Wade
  231. @Ultrafart the Brave

    It was quite obvious from early on that this would be used as a casus belli for aggressive war against China. The more vicious Murdochites were on it quite early, one being used as mouth-piece for US ‘intelligence’ disinfo., and the rest of the uniformly racist and Sinophobic Rightwing fakestream media have gradually joined in. Talk of war with China, a sure and certain recipe for national destruction, is reverberating on the hard Right, ie the ruling regime and its flunkies, and the ‘Opposition’ barely dissents. Indeed some of its ‘females’ are among the most rabid anti-Chinese racists.
    It was ALWAYS absolutely certain that the USA and its Atlanticist satraps would never, ever, allow any non-Western power to rise to global pre-eminence. Years, decades, of subversion, sabotage, war (including bio-warfare)hate-and fear-mongering propaganda targeting China did not ‘bring them down’ as US thugs openly declared was their aim. Now it is too late to do so, but the reptilian psychopaths in power in politics, the media and much of academia in the West are so riven by race hatred and delusions of superiority and invulnerability that they still think they can treat China like Iraq. We are pretty well rooted, I would say.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Thanks: FB
  232. Wild Man says:
    @Ace

    Ace – on your comment:

    “But applying the Holmesian formula, since the U.S. government response at all levels is absolutely inconsistent with a moral, rational, patriotic, decent mindset, therefore, no matter how unlikely, the only conclusion possible is that we are witnessing a scheme of extraordinary malevolence.”

    …. yes. There is a western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal that seeks to continue to usurp and accrue western decision-making power in a super-centralized fashion, all the while making it out like the western checks and balances of having institutions that cross-check with other institutional nodes, and as such, provide the key necessary ingredient so as to avoid corrupting influences (some decentralization of decision-making power), ….. have not been compromised, and as such, said ‘necessary level of western decentralization of power’ is still intact ….. which is simply not true. The western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal have subverted all the western institutions by now (however that may not be clear to many many operators operating within the lower rungs of said institutions). It’s all smoke and mirrors (for quite some time now). As such, what the naive general public experiences, with respect to interfaces with said corrupted western institutions … is like kabuki theater.

    This western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, geopolitically, interfaces with two other primary nodes of international power …. Russia on the one hand, and China on the other. At this juncture we don’t know all that much about these interfaces (the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal, as interfacing with the other two primary geopolitical poles), because this globalist cabal keeps their own publics in the dark, around the true nature of said interfaces.

    As such, the much more likely ‘not naturally sourced’ origination of the virus that brought on covid-19, means that, from a rational perspective, ….. we need to examine the motives of each of the 3 parties (and the sub-parties embedded in each of the 3 major geopolitical parties …. like Israel and the Jewish lobby, as a major and very influential sub-party of the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal, for instance). Since the western general public doesn’t know as much about the inner workings of the CCP and of China, as would be otherwise appropriate, ….. it is very hard to make a determination, overall, as a concerned citizen, as to what is going on here with this Covid Officialdom’s wonky covid narrative. It appears that the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal …. have placed their entire populaces in cognition cages, by way of limiting access to information, as well as by way of outright lying. CCP may well do something similar to their own populace (like Steve Bannon & company keep rhetoricizing around).

    As such …. my guess at this point (but this is purely just speculation at this early juncture) is that the western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, and the CCP, are working in conjunction on this covid fiasco (it is clear what the western globalist cabal would get out of such arrangement … ongoing usurpation and accrual of more centralization of their decision-making power ….. maybe the CCP gets something out of this too? ….. perhaps behind-the-scenes coordination with the western globalist cabal with respect to ongoing developments of technologies and methods for population mind-control)? Perhaps the overall lying covid narrative for the western globalist cabal, and for western Covid Officialdom, and for the CCP …. is about setting up the conditions whereby the CCP and said cabal can better work together on liberty-crushing methods and technologies. Under said scenario, I suppose the 2 geopolitical parties (the CCP and the western globalist cabal) fully realize that they may be vying for the same prize (global population control) ….. but agree to work with each other anyways, in the medium-term, because …… ultimately …. how can any geopolitical party that may be seeking ultimate global population control, think they could achieve that goal, if there were still geopolitical jurisdictions available that freedom-lovers may potentially escape to?

    • Replies: @One-off
    , @Ace
  233. @Ron Unz

    That the benefits may turn out to be small or non-existent in the real world doesn’t change the fact that from a design perspective, the virus doesn’t make sense for your blowback theory. Unless you think Fort Detrick scientists conducted Tuskegee-style experiments to see the real-world effects of their pathogen. Where are the victims of that experiment, and how did they contain it so that it didn’t turn into a pandemic?

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  234. Yee says:

    SafeNow,

    “China Airlines Flight 605 exemplifies the cavalier ethos of the Chinese toward safety measures. Two Chinese pilots plowed off the runway into shallow water at Kong when they decided to land in a storm, including wind shear. A missed approach — a minimum safety measure — was mandatory, but was ignored. Minutes before, a British Airways pilot refused to land at all.

    Regarding the Wuhan Lab, the U.S. well knew the Chinese predilection to be grudging about safety measures. Examples abounded.”

    China Airlines is a Taiwanese airlines. The offical name for Taiwan is Republic Of China. They’re American lap dog your brave military are ready to protect…

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  235. @Iris

    Thanks for the information. But there is one aspect that is not very clear to me: since this is supposed to have been a rogue operation, I think there is a great probability that the head of the laboratory from which the virus was supposedly stolen was not in on it. This means he would have to report the incident to a superior, who was probably also not in on it. An on and on. So, a lot of people would get to know about the bioattack eventually. An unsafe situation, it seems.

  236. @Neuromancer

    David Icke has a different angle. He says there is no virus. Not a strange, deadly new virus called SARS-Cov-2, at any rate. In his view, what we have here is a brilliantly executed psyop to terrify the world, justify the lockdowns, and launch the real bioweapon — and that would be the vaccine(s).

    So this new tack by the political class and the MSM is simply a calculated move to keep the plebs focused on the deadly imaginary virus. It’s fine for their purposes if the unwashed masses think Corona-Chan came from a bat in a bowl of soup or is the work of sinister researchers in the Wuhan lab. The crucial thing is to keep the world distracted debating the origins of the deadly virus and not to poke around too much regarding the nature of the vaccines. Their goal is to get that injected into as many bodies as possible before people figure out what’s happening.

  237. The 28th of October is the day day after the Wuhan Games ended exactly 19.84 years into the quickened last days

    The last days are 20 years long

    And the angel poured a phial upon the waters [nations] REV

  238. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t know either Wade or Baker personally. So, I have no reason to either believe or question their intentions. Thing is, all the info in both articles was on the Internet long before. Even if the articles were honest attempts to get to the bottom of this, they clearly weren’t the first (or even the second, third, etc.).

    Well, I hope I’m not violating a confidence, but I think I’ll describe the very ironic backstory of the important Nicholas Wade article.

    Wade had been working on an entirely different book, but naturally became interested in the Covid controversy last year, and began reading much of the material that was available on the Internet. He was disturbed that almost all of it was being ignored or misrepresented in the MSM, and eventually decided to write up an article of his own, laying out his own analysis.

    Despite his very considerable credibility in science journalism, when he tried shopping around his article to a wide range of publications all across the ideological spectrum, every single one of them flatly rejected it.

    So finally he decided that since no one was willing to publish his article but he’d already spent quite a lot of time researching and writing it, he might as well just put it up on the Medium website. And that’s how it got “published.”

    Given the massive international publicity, the total transformation of the national political debate, and the sudden decision of Facebook to lift the ban on discussing the lab-leak theory for its three billion(!) users, I think his universally-rejected article has probably had more real-world impact more quickly than anything else published anywhere in many, many years.

    So you can decide for yourself how his article fits into your framework of rejecting whatever the MSM says is true…

    • Thanks: Mark Hunter
  239. Bob says:
    @Ace

    It’s odd that Ron avoids these considerations because they actually strengthen his thesis, especially if he expands his “rogue actors” beyond Pompeo to a larger group that are also behind the push to vaccinate the world. I have warmed more to his theory due to the Western response to covid than the evidence he cites. Additionally vaccinating children and testing vaccines on babies seems especially sinister to me and telling of very bad motives, probably for greater control of earth’s citizens. Ron understands the complexities of the JFK assassination and 9/11. The Patriot Act, the Iraq War, the 2008 crash, the BO admin, then sedition against Trump… releasing covid on the world fits right in.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
    • Replies: @Ace
  240. Ron Unz says:
    @Bolteric

    Do you think the virus is deadlier in a higher release dose than simply through human communication?

    Quite possibly. Viral load may be an important factor.

    There were seemingly random deaths that occurred with the least vulnerable individuals. The Congressman-elect from Louisiana comes to mind. He was only 41, and not overweight.

    Hard to say. As far as I can tell, the virus is dangerous for people in their 40s, but vastly more dangerous for people in their sixties or seventies. Maybe he just was unlucky.

    Also, I’m unclear why China has not suffered a second wave of fatalities after the initial lockdowns over a year ago.

    China totally stamped out the virus, thereby eliminating the possibility of significant additional waves after the lockdowns ended. Meanwhile, the West didn’t, and the tens or hundreds of thousands of people still infected produced new waves after each set of lockdowns.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Bob
  241. Thank you Ron UNZ for your persistence. The sun is beginning to re-appear from behind the clouds. This COVID BS was not an accident. I still insist too that it was supposed to be a controlled bio-warfare experiment by a multinational group which it did backfire and killed many of their own innocent people. The virus was developed in the Wuhan lab, which is a shared lab, by several nations for the purpose of a controlled experiment with a bio-weapon with the intentions of killing as many disliked people as possible. But it became uncontrollable once it was used in the targeted places. That’s why many groups in many defense departments have already begun their research for protecting their own forces when bio-weapons would be used against others in the future.

  242. utu says:
    @Anon

    “Such a motive could be say, sell vaccines and impose vaccine passports. ” – I do not see it as a causative motive. Pfizer annual revenue is $50 billion on average and capitalization is over $200 billion. The revenue in 2020 dropped by $10 billion (???) despite that Pfizer made few billions extra from the vaccine.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/266171/revenue-of-pfizer-since-2006/

    This article claims than in 2021 Pfizer will make $15 billion from the vaccine.

    https://qz.com/1967638/pfizer-will-make-15-billion-from-covid-19-vaccine-sales/

    When the Empire makes a global paradigm shifting move it does not let its huge corporations to starve and keeps an eye on their well being because after all corporations are the most important constituency of this Empire. But the profits fluctuations of the Big Pharma are negligible noise from the point of view of the Empire.

    The war on Iraq in 2003 was not waged on the behalf of antiquity art dealers but the Empire allowed the art dealers do a very organized and thorough looting operation of Iraq museums within hours of liberation and looked the other way when it was happening and when the art pieces were smuggled abroad. By being so magnanimous to the art dealers and collectors the Empire enhanced its constituency among them. But Iraq art collections were not the reason for the war. Looting was a minor part of the objective to destroy Iraq.

    The immunization passports which make epidemiological sense are a minor annoyance to people and negligibly benefit to the control freaks within the Empire. If the West decided to emulate Taiwan and NZ the curtailing of travel would be much more severe and the borders would close for long time, one would think, it would be applauded by the Right concerned with immigration. At the same time the recovery from lockdowns would be quicker and once again one would think that the Chamber of Commerce faction of the Right would applaud it. But what we saw was the opposite. The Right wanted herd immunity and let it rip. Is it possible that the Right actually wanted the hight death toll?

    Early images coming from China while possibly exaggerated painted a picture of outbreak of a very serious disease. People were dropping while walking on the streets. Batteries of trucks were spraying disinfectants on the streets in cities devoid of people on the streets. Huge halls with hundreds of people in beds unattended by staff as if waiting for death. Whoever was behind the images that reached us in the West whether it was CPC or Falun Gong whether intentional or inadvertent, the message for us was to take the disease very seriously. But we did not. We ignored the warnings. The herd immunity meme was created to basically ignore the disease. So I ask again: did the Empire actually wanted to have a high death toll?

    Anyway, I am still toying with idea that the lax response in the West could have been a part of much deeper strategy to pile up victims and build the grievance capital against China.

    • Replies: @Bolteric
  243. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal

    OK, so let’s try this again.

    Dots start connecting on the Corona Operation: medical, financial, Big Tech, intelligence, Big Philanthropy.
    Here are five or so dots:

    [MORE]

    ##https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html [[start at ca. 1:30:00 if you are pressed for time, on character/purpose of “vaccines”; corona is pretext for vax, supposedly mainly to help elderly and “vulnerable”; now, the “elderly” are the ones whose immune systems are too “weak” and they have most serious adverse reactions; it looks to me now like the real goal may be to vax the young]]

    ##https://corona-ausschuss.de/en/ [[Session 54: Brian Gerrish, of UK Column, esp. at end, re City and UK intelligence; session 38: Catherine Austin Fitts–the money angle–important date is Sept. 2019; ignore her “tsunami riff” (altho, who knows??); These sessions are not separate URLs; you have to scroll down to them from the main page but then you can enlarge to full screen]]

    ##https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/31/facebook-censoring-vaccine-hesitancy.aspx?ui=b574c467c0b6fd2676d8609508c26a62db6f6c2cf53c88d819fd3b12e06753e2&sd=20161120&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210531_HL2&mid=DM898856&rid=1171587595 [[Suppression of off-vaccine-narrative info by Big Tech]]

    ##https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFbgWjgp2M [Rob Braxman, “Society is Changing” on centratlization of data by Big Tech and the significance of “date & identity”; Bingo! I stumbled on this after watching a Braxman (whom I had never heard of) video on “degoogling your phone” linked at the Corbett Report. ).

    ## https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines [[Saw this last year; basic text on the program; just reread with renewed horror; are they rolling it out now?]]

    ## https://vimeo.com/290438534 “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire” [[background; excellent docu; if the Corona Operation is a coordinated op , then I think Gerrish’s hypothesis that control is the City & Brit intelligence is plausible. There is plenty of offshore money to finance; plausible that UK intel gives orders to US intel]]

    ##https://ipfs.io/ipns/QmNqHuSVuufkBKK1LHtoUmKETobZriC1o5uoiXSoLX2i3K/episode-286-rockefeller-medicine/ Corbett Report, Rockefeller Medicine [[background, but kind of circles back to McCullough’s observations regarding the fact that most of the medical profession basically followed implicit or explicit orders not to treat patients who were ill with covid19. That is, connecting two dots, most modern doctors operate in a corporate nexus that can control them, a system advocated and funded by Rock. This failure/refusal to treat created the precondition (putatively no treatment options available) to introduce an untested (or “untested”) “vax” under emergency authorization).

    • Thanks: idrankwhat, R2b
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  244. Bazinga says:

    I see that many articles have been made on this subject of COVID, and where did it come from. My argument is very different from Ron’s, whose thesis I regard as ultimately unlikely with the overwhelming bulk of evidence against it. 

    I outline my argument in my prior comments, but mostly can be encapsulated in this comment I left on a prior article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/?showcomments#comment-4655375.

    Simply put, the sharp growth of the virus in its initial stages make any sort of presence in early November or late October virtually impossible, and the publicly available death data from the Chinese government shows this. 

    But, I think the best evidence has now come from China itself, with a government investigation into the origins of the COVID epidemic:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/who-were-the-first-coronavirus-cases-china-should-help-solve-the-mystery/2021/05/26/f43d7cc0-be49-11eb-b26e-53663e6be6ff_story.html

    Article written may 26th 2021

    The key evidence is listed as thus by the Washington Post:

    Here’s what’s known so far about early cases: On Dec. 31, 2019, China notified the WHO of 44 cases of pneumonia of unknown cause. By the time China agreed to a joint study with the WHO in summer 2020, the number of these cases had grown to 124. The resulting joint report in March 2021 said Chinese records had established 174 confirmed cases in December 2019, and the first onset among these was Dec. 8.

    Were there others before that? In preparation for the WHO-China joint mission, Chinese officials examined 76,253 cases of fever or respiratory illness in 233 health-care institutions from Oct. 1 to Dec. 10, 2019. Out of this mass of records, they identified 92 people who might have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the autumn. However, on further scrutiny, all 92 cases were rejected as covid.

    This means that the Chinese government has looked into the issue, studied 76k patients, and found *zero* evidence of the Coronavirus in the autumn timeframe. I think that is a strong reaffirmation of my thesis of the virus not being present in China in late October/early November, and I think people who argue for the timing of Ron’s article should find hard data of COVID’s presence during that timeframe. The Chinese government agrees with my thesis amusingly. 

    Now, in fairness, the Washington Post also does list a claim by the South China Morning Post, that the virus was in November based on supposed Chinese “government data”, but that article also claims that China was tracking the virus from late November/early December, which defies all logic as the virus would be too difficult to track then, and the delay between the government’s knowledge and the government response to COVID. It also goes against the US bioweapon argument that the Chinese government only learned about the virus in late December.

    From the SCMP article for those interested:

    According to the government data seen by the Post, a 55 year-old from Hubei province could have been the first person to have contracted Covid-19 on November 17.

    From that date onwards, one to five new cases were reported each day. By December 15, the total number of infections stood at 27 – the first double-digit daily rise was reported on December 17 – and by December 20, the total number of confirmed cases had reached 60.

    Of course, the only other “credible” piece of news that the Washington Post could find on the virus in the autumn was an article that also claims that the Chinese government also was able to track the virus months before it made any policy response. So, there is no good data source that the virus was in the October-November timeframe, which I think is a powerful blow to Unz’s thesis. 

    If people have solid evidence backed by an official institution like the WHO or the Chinese government, I would like to see it, but the Washington Post doesn’t think there is any out there. Otherwise I regard the timeframe of Ron’s theory as overwhelmingly unlikely, backed with no good evidence.

  245. “President Trump’s completely lackadaisical response demonstrated that he himself had absolutely no idea that he was confronting the threat of a dangerous bioweapon, thereby proving his own personal innocence”

    OR- The initial lack of response was to allow the virus to spread, and the ensuing lockdowns were not to protect the public, they were to protect the virus, allowing it to survive the summer. – Neither of these scenarios exonerate Trump, they implicate him.

    “we lack serious indications that any lab-leak occurred”

    EXCEPT for the mystery outbreak a short distance from the (freshly shuttered for containment breaches) Ft. Detrick at the Greenspring retirement community in Springfield, and possibly the rash of respiratory disease attributed to e-cigarette users, both of which happened shortly before “COVID” showed up in Italy and China.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  246. @Desert Fox

    fully agree.
    Getting very tired of all the “who-done-it’ scenarios. I feel as if I am reading a science fiction novel.

    This fake pandemic is just the Flu+Pneumonia complex that has been weaponized by psychopathic politicos and the Media and medical fear industries.

    [MORE]

    The “horrible” symptoms are also the same for Flu+pneumonia, but are sensationalized by creative presstitutes to prop up the ‘horrid’ circumstances of what was actually medical malpractise, backed up with threats while promoting the worst behaviours and values within our society to try and ‘police (or cancel) the dissidents’, by emotional blackmail.

    Follow the money.
    If anyone plays the stock market, they are part of the problem.
    It’s just gambling, and I hit the repugnance redline when money is used as a weapon.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Stonehands
  247. Skeptikal says:
    @naill

    “Despite German developed diagnostic kits being available, through WHO, from early January, the CDC wanted to design their own diagnostic kits.’

    I agree with most of your post, but this comment sounds a bit odd to me.
    I do recall the uncertainties around a viable test.
    People were crying out for a reliable test, to relieve fear and establish some sense of reality concerning the actual dangers, both in general and specifically for oneself.

    Instead of getting a decent test (developed by whomever), we got a piece of German Dreck (if by “diagnostic kits” you mean Christian Drosten’s PCR test).

    Unless, that is, the test’s purpose was to inflate the number of “cases” (supposedly ill people) by means of high percentages of false positives. Even in the case of genuine positives, the presence of SARS-CoV-2 viruses or fragments didn’t mean the person was ill.

    The use of these faulty tests was a major driver in cascades of misinformation, propaganda, pointless quarantines, and fear mongering. The harm caused by the deployment of the PCR test casts a shadow over the whole covid response in the USA and elsewhere. (Meanwhile, those who were really ill were told to stay home until they had to be hospitalized. They were not offered treatment to keep them out of hospital.)

    I’m sure people who comment here are well aware that Drosten is the target of legal action by the German atty Reiner Fuellmich.
    The investigative sessions conducted by Fuellmich’s Corona Committee are well worth watching; the English -language site:

    https://corona-ausschuss.de/en/

    Scroll down for individual sessions.

    Regarding Trump’s leaving WHO, was that because he sensed that the WHO was not playing with a full deck but couldn’t figure out what? That it was pushing an unclear agenda? Certainly a heck of a lot of other people thought that who were not DJT.

    I can’t recall the reason(s) Trump gave at the time.

  248. Alden says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Very true. Thanks. If the government says something is true it is not true.

  249. benedetto says: • Website

    There seems to be quite strong evidence including issued patents for researchers of the Pasteur Institute, Paris, which points to their responsability in producing this HIV-inserted Covid19, the very institution where the HIV was discovered. It was Montagnier, its discoverer who first accused Wuhan Lab for the “accidental leakage” and demanded the Chinese Government to pay for the damages. Trump took this accusation to forward his own. Interesting, a former student of his at Pasteur, is revealed to be the patents issuance benefactor. See below:

    [MORE]

    French prof. Fourtillian with high credentials put into mental hospital, Soviet style, following his statements about the present corona-virus as lab-made and the “vaccines” as destructive:

    http://d.p.h.free.fr/covid19/docs/TRUTH_about_Covid-19_and_Covid-19_Vaccines.pdf

    https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2020-12-11----a-doctor-seen-in-%22hold-up%22-hospitalized-in-psychiatry--it-is-true–.BJNcXdrZ3D.html

    https://vaccineinjurynews.com/2020-12-17-professor-abducted-psych-ward-questioning-covid19-vaccines.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-IYW99zAG0&feature=emb_title
    1:46:40 Interview with Fourtillan, Motagnier next.

    https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-anti-mask-doctor-suspended-for-five-months-as-professor-admitted-to-psychiatric-unit

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows
    (about Fourtillian in the comment section)

  250. Mefobills says:
    @Iris

    The reason is obvious: Israel’s expansion and even existence depends solely on the USA remaining the world’s number one superpower.

    Your reduction forgets about the finance network, which is globo-homo, or BIZWOG as some have named it.

    Britain, Israel world government. America is a golem within BIZWOG.

    Finance Capitalism sprang into existence with the Bank of England in 1694. It required several innovations:

    [MORE]

    1) Bank ledger credit entry money. This is money creation at debt using a double entry ledger. (The Italians had previously invented double entry.)
    2) Private Stock Ownership Companies, such as British East India (and its forerunner in Amsterdamn). This especially includes stock owned corporations, such as private banks.
    3) On selling of stocks into a “free market.” (This hides the true owners… the bond holders.)
    4) Private mercenary armies such as that of British East India becoming subsumed as part of the State Apparatus (as what happened during the Raj. period.)
    5) Deep Water Naval Power Projection, to then enforce “free market” contracts made in “Sterling” overseas.
    6) Convincing governments to take on public debts to private banking corporations – thus debt spreading to the taxpayer. The bank “stock owner” is now in a creditor position over the taxpaying debtor.

    Israel came into being as Zion was a project of “Finance International.” Finance International still exists, and its organs can be seen in various NGO’s, and operations like CFR, and WEF, etc.

    I’m sure sharp eyed UNZ readers can name some more.

    The Zionist project was doomed at the first Zionist conference when Herzyl allowed Rothschild to finance said project. Herzyl actually wanted Jews to become like the Germans he so admired and lived amongst. Herzyl thought that if Jews had their own nation state, they would become normal humans.

    Debt spreading has metastasized, such that average people don’t have language to understand the fabric of reality they are immersed in. Finance Capital has a god, and it is Mammon. The Pharisee religion is one of Mammonism, especially after Hillel’s injunction to preserve Creditor rights over debtors.

    Israel’s expansion and existence depend on “top jews” remaining in finance centers, such as London and Wall Street. The Zionist project soon morphed and top finance jews were to stay in place, to then finance the project and influence governments through hidden string pulling.

    Israel’s expansion and existence also depends on narrative control through the owned press.

    Israel’s expansion and existence depends on creating false religions, as is what happened with Bible printing in Amsterdam in the years leading up to BOE, especially the Athias Bibles which were printed at great expense and handed out for nearly free into England. (Jews then return to England as god’s special people.)

    Later manifestations of false religion include Judeo-Christianity, where Jews are worshiped as gods special people. Johan Hagee’s ministries, if you need an example.

    Usury flows from finance capital fund this sophisticated international operation.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Thanks: Biff
  251. Skeptikal says:
    @Iris

    “It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbade early treatment of Covid19 patients. ”

    Right.
    Any discussion, or debate, on the trajectory of covid-19 that does not start with this extraordinary central phenomenon—the failure and even criminalization of early treatment—is nonsensical and beside the point.
    This is truly the smoking gun.
    There is ample evidence of this intentional “failure” or derogation of duty and violation of the Hippocratic oath, but my mentioning such evidence at UR has gotten my comments binned, so I’ll not repeat.

    Why were “Western” policy-makers so dramatically and demonstrably looking toward China’s draconian lockdown measures as a possible “model” for effective response, and not to Africa with its resort to available medications? At best, this looks a tad racist. At worst it looks like something else.
    I was completely mystified by the demonization of ivermectin and HC: I had never heard of HC until Trump mentioned it—but it was easy to establish that it is on the WHO list of essential medications. On hindsight that whole stream of propaganda or whatever you want to call it—the bloviating about whether “the West” should copy China’s lockdown—has a distinctly suspicious smell. Meanwhile, many telephone receivers in doctor’s offices were slammed down when those ill with covid-19 called their doctors asking for help.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  252. Skeptikal says:
    @meamjojo

    Untested synthetic-mRNA-laced jabs: Just say no.

  253. One-off says:
    @Wild Man

    There is a Venn Diagram I had not considered, and apparently you have not. There are/were Trump antagonists within the US Security State who also hated China. The overlaps tended to be pro-China/anti-Trump and Pro-Trump/anti-China, but there certainly were some who despised both (CIA director Gina Haspel seemingly is one). So this particular overlap subset would like to take out both China and Trump, and a staged, economy-wrecking virus leak in Wuhan near a research laboratory fills the bill.

    Still, the accidental lab release seems the more plausible explanation given the information we have. The blowback potential risk just seems too great to allow for Ron Unz’ theory. Still, maybe with the information embargo lifted we can find out more details in the near future to see if, for example, the risk did not seem all that great in the moment.

    This story is moving rapidly. Whether it was Wade’s paper or something is about to explode remains to be seen.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Skeptikal
  254. The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    Wuhan is the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses.

    Covid-19 looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing.

    It would be even more astonishing for it to emerge in the one city in the world where such viruses would most likely be artificially created. The bat virus caves are a long way away.

    Were it Americans, I would imagine they’d pick any time except the international military games. Not just for the suspicion, but also because it would greatly increase the probability of international blowback.

    I cannot verify the above points, but I can say that if they are verified by credible experts, I think it is highly probable that the Wuhan lab caused this.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  255. FB says: • Website

    That’s pretty interesting and all sounds entirely plausible.

    This for sure is 100 percent true:

    Debt spreading has metastasized, such that average people don’t have language to understand the fabric of reality they are immersed in.

    I’m pretty sure that Jews, if not running the whole Ponzi Finance Pyramid, at least make up the greater part.

    But we need to remember that a civilization state has several distinct Estates. These are also ranked by power, with the estate holding the monopoly of state violence at the top. This includes not just the military but also the state security apparatus, which is probably the brains to the military’s muscle.

    I doubt that Jews play much part in this estate. If we then assume that things are indeed arranged in this way, then it would seem that this non Jewish echelon at the top is merely letting the Jews run the Ponzi Economy, because it has been working pretty well for all concerned.

    This would be especially true in extracting treasure and ‘tribute’ from the wider world at large, as was the model of the British Empire.

    Now of course, all good things must end. And it seems the system has been working rather increasingly poorly for the ordinary folks.

    And if indeed things are arranged in this kind of hierarchy, then what happens when the wheels start falling off, as they eventually must?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  256. One-off says:
    @Iris

    It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbad early treatment of Covid19 patients.

    This was a rare case where people, including me, were alerted early on that the medical community was at best compliant, and at worst complicit, due to first-hand knowledge of hydroxychloroquine, prescribed to many of us to treat autoimmune disorders precisely because it has so few side effects. Hearing the supposed dangers of the drug echoed throughout the propaganda organs was terrifying because we knew precisely the opposite. How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them?

  257. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    That’s pretty interesting and all sounds entirely plausible.

    This for sure is 100 percent true:

    Debt spreading has metastasized, such that average people don’t have language to understand the fabric of reality they are immersed in.

    I’m pretty sure that Jews, if not running the whole Ponzi Finance Pyramid, at least make up the greater part.

    But we need to remember that a civilization state has several distinct Estates. These are also ranked by power, with the estate holding the monopoly of state violence at the top. This includes not just the military but also the state security apparatus, which is probably the brains to the military’s muscle.

    I doubt that Jews play much part in this estate. If we then assume that things are indeed arranged in this way, then it would seem that this non Jewish echelon at the top is merely letting the Jews run the Ponzi Economy, because it has been working pretty well for all concerned.

    This would be especially true in extracting treasure and ‘tribute’ from the wider world at large, as was the model of the British Empire.

    Now of course, all good things must end. And it seems the system has been working rather increasingly poorly for the ordinary folks.

    And if indeed things are arranged in this kind of hierarchy, then what happens when the wheels start falling off, as they eventually must?

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  258. Compelling twist at the end. Great summary of the current situation. Very plausible.

  259. Skeptikal says:
    @Emslander

    I don’t know about “fingerprints,” since supposedly it was the Obama-Biden administration that tried to put the kibosh on GoF research in the USA, which meant also Fauci’s research.

    But Dr. Peter Breggin pointed out very early on—I think it was just after the election, when Biden confirmed that he would leave Fauci in place as head of the U.S. covid effort etc.—that now we had two people collaborating who were both highly compromised in their relationships with the Chinese govt. and the CCP.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  260. Seraphim says:

    It was said that the extraordinary measures taken by the Chinese suggested that they figured out immediately that it was a bio-attack. They took seriously the ”conspiracy theory” launched in March 2020 by George Webb. It is impossible to think that they did not know of Fort Detrick Lab closure, Maatje Benassi and all that. They always asked for investigating Fort Detrick.

  261. How long until it’s safe to admit that maybe Hunter really was collecting bribe money?

  262. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal

    Sorry, typo:

    That is supposed to be “data and identity.”

  263. Wild Man says:
    @One-off

    Yes, I agree that is one of the possibilities (psychopathic deep-state actors embedded in American power structures serving the anti-American interests of the gloabist cabal).

    On a previous comment thread (for a previous Ron Unz article about covid source), I outlined 6 possibilities (as follows), and in my comment that you were responding to above, I added a possibility #7 (added to the list as follows):

    1) An accidental lab leak from somewhere, or

    2) An accidental lab leak from Wuhan (WIV), or

    3) As executed by way of a rogue element from within the western (but anti-American) globalist camp that the globalists-proper decided to forgive on anyways, or

    4) Whether this is the intentional doing of the CCP, or

    5) Whether this is via a rogue element within the CCP apparatus, that the CCP hierarchy decided to forgive anyways, or, alternatively purged the transgressors (except China is opaque and so we can never be sure about ‘disappearances’ and such), or

    6) Whether the anti-true-west, but western globalist cabal have planned the whole thing right from the very beginning (summer 2019 let’s say), and just stayed mum until the end of April/20, so as not to sow suspicion that might arise if people started to see they come together into official opinion well before any one would believe they could have their facts straight yet. And as well, … in this case wouldn’t they be watching first, how well the whole thing worked, before taking their further steps?

    7) Whether the western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, and the CCP, are working in conjunction on this covid fiasco (it is clear what the western globalist cabal would get out of such arrangement … ongoing usurpation and accrual of more centralization of their decision-making power ….. maybe the CCP gets something out of this too? ….. perhaps behind-the-scenes coordination with the western globalist cabal with respect to ongoing developments of technologies and methods for population mind-control)? Perhaps the overall lying covid narrative for the western globalist cabal, and for western Covid Officialdom, and for the CCP …. is about setting up the conditions whereby the CCP and said cabal can better work together on liberty-crushing methods and technologies. Under said scenario, I suppose the 2 geopolitical parties (the CCP and the western globalist cabal) fully realize that they may be vying for the same prize (global population control) ….. but agree to work with each other anyways, in the medium-term, because …… ultimately …. how can any geopolitical party that may be seeking ultimate global population control, think they could achieve that goal, if there were still geopolitical jurisdictions available that freedom-lovers may potentially escape to?

    I am not particularly advocating for any one of the 7 (now ) possibilities, so far mentioned, but, as I said, at this juncture, I think #7 is more-so growing in likeliness the longer the covid-who-dunnit hot potatoe is just kicked around geopolitically, which by way of Biden’s comments, looks to be about 90 days longer, which seems to me to be his admin just buying time, which I think means it is likely that they are gonna try to find a way to sweep it all under the rug again, come September, when the 90 days is more than up. Or maybe figure a frame-up of Trump around whatever narrative they spin in September, so as to go for a two-fer. In that eventuality, perhaps both the Trump-frame-up and the deflection around covid-source could be had by way of a narrative that would feature a slow-motion vaxx-partial-catastrophe, to be blamed on Trump’s project warp-speed, paired with moral-immunity for the vaxx makers, by way of bad source code they had to work with (a gain-of-function monster created in a lab, somewhere, anywhere really, that rogues in Trump’s admin were behind … which he is therefore ultimately responsible for). Who knows? The dramatic scenarios one could spin for each and every one of the 7 above-mentioned possibilities, are almost endless when you really think about it.

    Maybe people can think of some more such non-natural-origin possibilities that I may have overlooked, besides the 7 mentioned here.

  264. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Deigin is a kook. The furin site is not strange at all. And WIV folks, sequencing their samples from 2015, show how it can easily happen: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.445091v1

  265. If US agents are responsible for this, and that is plausible as presented here, then it is horrible beyond words.

    OTOH, I can’t help but shake my head over the confirmation of a suspicious DoD report, about an outbreak they probably couldn’t have known about, by Israeli television. Years and years of financial support and allegiance to our so called greatest ally in the ME and this is what we get?

    Israelis are the ticks on the tail that wags the American dog.

  266. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    ” As far as I can tell, the virus is dangerous for people in their 40s, but vastly more dangerous for people in their sixties or seventies.”

    On what evidence is “as far as I can tell . . . people in their forties” based?

    Why don’t you check in with a practicing physician, such as Dr. Peter McCullough, to get solid information from someone actually treating patients?

    He can set you straight so that you don’t promulgate misinformation.

    Statistically this group is at very small risk of hospitalization and death from covid-19. A few people in their forties or younger, if they have certain comorbidities, are at risk from covid-19. However, the risks are considerably lowered with effective early treatment. Per Dr. McCullough and others, 85% of those who died would have been saved if they had received effective multi-pronged early treatment: for the virus itself, for the inflammation, and for the exaggerated immune response. Early treatment also reduces to nil the “long haul” phenomenon, per Dr. McC.

    People in their forties are in more danger from the jabs than from covid-19.

  267. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Humbert Humbert

    In fact, the COVID19 viral load that will infect a healthy adult, on average, is still not established, AFAIK.

    Claims of ~10,000 virions minimally needed have been around for a long time. A recent and fairly convincing paper concurs: https://elifesciences.org/articles/63537

    Which explains why infections through fomites or outdoors are very rare.

  268. One-off says:
    @Wild Man

    Thanks. Your sixth scenario easily could become a hybrid along with one of your other (for now) hypotheticals. Based on what we know at the moment, I lean toward an accidental WIV release that was exploited to attain the economic policy goals of the anti-Western Western AGW crowd, so a sort of 2/6 blend. Something surely is popping, and it seems unlikely it was the Wade paper standing alone that has forced the sudden rolling disclosure.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  269. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    I’m pretty sure that Jews, if not running the whole Ponzi Finance Pyramid, at least make up the greater part.

    There was a “merger” of like types. Jews are the tip of the spear, but not the whole spear. There are plenty of mammonites, especially among the Judeo-Christians, as a covering ideology is required.

    [MORE]

    But we need to remember that a civilization state has several distinct Estates. These are also ranked by power, with the estate holding the monopoly of state violence at the top. This includes not just the military but also the state security apparatus, which is probably the brains to the military’s muscle.

    Yes, of course. There is always hierarchy. The question is how the hierarchy is organized.

    I doubt that Jews play much part in this estate.

    Jews were instrumental in usurping the “estate” to then make things conducive to their evolutionary survival mechanisms.

    These mechanisms are obvious in monetary history, which is not taught.

    Here is a rough timeline:

    Haibaru Caravaneers run the East/West trade since the time of City-States in pre-history, e.g. Sumer and Babylon. The temple cults carve out special status for the merchant, especially to keep his wealth in a gold price.

    The Caravaneers take usury on the secret exchange rate differences between gold (in abundance in India) and silver (in relative abundance in the West).

    History speeds up around the time Isabella expels Jews from Spain in 1492. Sephardic Jews go to Portugal.

    Vasco de-gama discovers the southern route in 1497. The overland caravan route is broken, and passes to sea power. Portuguese then unload spices and precious metals in Amsterdam.

    Jews then flock from Portugal to Amsterdam, especially after anti-persecution injunctions are installed.

    The parasite has now attached himself to two sea powers, Portugal and Holland. In previous, centuries, Greece and Spain were used as golems for piracy, slavery, and moving of precious metal and spices.

    While in Amsterdam, modern stock market procedures are invented by about 700 unlicensed Sephardic Jews. Gets, Puts, forward contracts, and the like are used to harvest the Dutch population. The State Bank of Amsterdam comes into being, which is a depository bank (not creation of credit), with the objective of bypassing Jewish money power derived from stock market capital, and their usury takings on the trade routes.

    The project to jump to England was hatched in the mind of Amsterdam’s Jews, especially Menasseh Ben Israel 1604-1657.

    England was yet another “sea power” and a recapitulation of what our (((friends))) learned in the Levantine period when Greece was a sea power. Jews were established in entrepot ports around the Mediterranean. If you wanted to move pirated goods or slaves, then that trade was intermediated by tribesters.

    The slow usurpation of the King system of England is documented in some of my comment history, especially with GeeBee, who attaches dates and events. The Merchant and Finance Capital establishes itself on the throne and alter.

    I doubt that Jews play much of a part? You are provably wrong on that point, and like most people, are probably unaware of fairly recent monetary history, where Jews were the primary movers in usury funded usurpations to then self aggrandize. How could you be aware, as history is purposefully obscured to then create a false narrative.

    • Agree: GeeBee
  270. Rather than “Stalinesque” as the adjective for the variety of year long press and internet censorship regarding the origins of covid, the term could be “Wilsonian” censorship in line with President Wilson blocking the reportage on the origins of the 1918 “Spanish” flu, that would more rightly be called the USA flu (or Kansas flu, as it started at Fort Riley, Kansas, with troops being readied for WW I deployment to Europe). Or it could have been called “Lincolnesque,” as Lincoln was renowned for suspending the 1st Amendment freedom of the press to aid in prosecuting the Civil War. What Stalin did or did not do is shrouded in Cold War fiction.

    • Thanks: Ace
  271. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ace

    Hydrocloroquine as an effective treatment was first reported by French doctors , a least in the US media. The US is anti French. Was there not some bru ha ha about who first discovered the HIV virus; an American or a French scientist? Trump being innocent and not knee jerk anti French, had no problem with promoting it. He was attacked for not getting with the anti french program .

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Erebus
  272. theMann says:
    @The Real World

    Because I tried to sue the local hospital for “delaying” surgery for over a year now, and again when refused a procedure for refusing a Covid (scam) test, and can’t find a lawyer to touch them. A couple of the local Tort Lawyers did helpfully inform me about the “conflict of interest” thing though. One even recommended a guy in Amarillo. Shucks, I’d go 300 miles to hire a lawyer.

  273. Voltara says:
    @Bragadocious

    You don’t think Israel and the US have a few operatives hanging about the Iranian parliament?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  274. Ron Unz says:
    @Bazinga

    I outline my argument in my prior comments, but mostly can be encapsulated in this comment I left on a prior article…So, there is no good data source that the virus was in the October-November timeframe, which I think is a powerful blow to Unz’s thesis.

    Actually, the late Oct./early Nov. date for Patient Zero in Wuhan is part of the standard narrative accepted by almost everyone, rather than related to my own theory.

    As we discussed in that previous thread, I don’t buy your arguments at all, but if you’re correct, you’ve essentially proven my biowarfare attack scenario.

    That’s because you (very doubtfully) claim that Patient Zero probably became infected in early December. But as I’ve repeatedly emphasized in this and other articles, the secret DIA report describing the “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan was produced “in the second week of November.”

    So under your scenario, our DIA described the Wuhan outbreak almost a month before Patient Zero was infected. Amazing precognition…

    • Replies: @Bazinga
  275. @Ron Unz

    But Ron, by YOUR logic, wouldn’t China WANT to release Dr. Shi’s lab notes IF those notes, either directly or indirectly, pointed to Ft. Detrick as the source?

    If they truly were not doing gain of function research that produced Covid, don’t they have every motivation to release such exculpatory information? And we’re not talking about “The World Health Organization said so.” “Corruption” is an understatement when it comes to the WHO–I have it on good authority that President Xi gets fellated by Tedros Ghebreyesus during every meeting.

    Right now, China’s accusations that this is the USA’s fault are just hot air. Like you, they need to provide proof. I am not holding my breath.

    Look, your theory, compelling as it sounds, remains a theory and, alas, likely not a falsifiable one. If Hollywood actually made good movies, your narrative could be quickly morphed into a screenplay with an all-star cast (though everybody would have to be White, so I guess nix that).

    Here’s the problem with conspiracies. First, key people have to get together and, you know, CONSPIRE, because what they want to do is something no sensible person would countenance and if they got caught…well, the consequences would not be good.

    They have to plan…figure out methods to employ…figure out what success would look like, and provide foolproof cover for all the actors, however minor. And the actors need motivation–taking orders, frankly, would be insufficient. And they would have to be oblivious to unintended consequences, or Dr. No like in their malevolence…nothing in between.

    Something like this requires a level of commitment that is highly unlikely to be found.

    Then they would have to execute the plan without a hitch and with not a single specific actual instance or action that would implicate them.

    And THEN everyone would have to keep totally quiet not just for a few months, but for years, decades even.

    It’s a very very tall order.

    There this guy, William of Occam, who was on to something. The simplest explanation is that SOMEBODY — Dr. Shi, or Dr. Wang, or Dr. Li, or the guy who sweeps up at the end of the day, whose common name ALSO has no more than 4 letters — forgot to close the door at the Wuhan Virology Institute’s Level 4 lab at 5:30 one day, and it was truly Katy Bar the Door thereafter.

    One is hardly ever wrong when assuming stupidity, rather than dastardly intent.

    Oh, one last thing. I hope you’re right, because it would be effin’ amazing!! But it’s +four figures at the Sunny Philadelphia betting parlor that the answer is paradoxically both shocking AND boring

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  276. Wild Man says:
    @One-off

    Interesting. I dunno …. the thing about hybrid 2/6 blend is …..if the agenda IS the vaxx (more precisely … if the agenda IS the toxic spike protein that the vaxx programs one’s body to produce …. and all the vaxxes do just that) ….. and the toxicity of the spike protein is contingent on the virus strain source, …. then one would assume the perpetrators were in control of the virus strain source …. so is that really a leak then? More like an intentional act – right?

    Like another commenter said a bit ago on this thread ….. the disastrous clinical actions taken contrary to what would otherwise normally be expected (a concerted and enforced irrational do-nothing-but-wait-for-the-vaxx approach is not normal and was not expected) …. is the central issue and the central smoking gun. But what a confounding fact to absorb – eh? It appears malice was involved. Malice committed to ensure the fruition of the vaxx program? Should we really expect anything other than a malicious action to follow said previous malicious action?

    There is some discussion occuring over the past few weeks now with regards to the apparent ability of the spike protein, all by itself, to spark vascular trauma in a whole host of organs. The way this whole nightmare has been unfolding ….. I suspect that we will slowly find out, that these recent such reports ….. are not quackary, but will have been vindicated.

    I don’t like to see it this way. But that’s what it is shaping up to look like nevertheless. Thus ….. I think Trump is going to be crucified. I think the populace is about to be booted in the face even harder than what has occurred over the past 15 month. It’s all a set-up. For the early fall/21. We should try to enjoy the probable coming short summer respite (unless Antifa and BLM break the peace all over again).

    One way of thinking about this. Could a Pelosi be capable of this level of malice? I would say – yes. And there are even more vicious cutthroats than Pelosi that frequent the halls of the west’s power structures.

    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  277. Bolteric says:
    @utu

    Possible, but too many wrinkles to make it that plausible. Ron’s theory is simple, and more likely

    • Replies: @One-off
  278. @Triteleia Laxa

    The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    No it isn’t. No China did it “argument” can be “compelling” until there is some kind of
    investigation into the apparent early cases of Covid-19 in the U.S. And the U.S. “government” apparently doesn’t want to go there.

    For example, was the outbreak of a “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfeld, VA in June and July of 2019 caused by SARS-CoV-2, or was it caused by a different pathogen? Until the U.S. government comes clean about this, the U.S. “government” has no credibility and no standing to blame China.

  279. @One-off

    This is what made me realize that the aim was to maximize deaths and vaccinations, possibly for depopulation, possibly to force people into a technology-enforced serfdom.

  280. @Ron Unz

    Sounds about right. There is a cosmic law about wishing and doing evil unto others, and it coming back thrice as strong. Bill Gates and his divorce, the US (maybe specifically the deep state, but also us, alas) and COVID & Empire…for all things, there is a price.

    I’m real excited for the history books on this one, hindsight on wild conspiracies and duplicitous, destructive corruption is always a good read.

    Living through them is even more exciting.

  281. Yee says:

    Anonymous[234] ,

    “Claims of ~10,000 virions minimally needed have been around for a long time. A recent and fairly convincing paper concurs:”

    I wonder, how many virions did the researchers in Wuhan lab need on their plate to work on, assuming they’re still working on the project they’ve done in 2015.

    More than 10,000 a time to leak to the public? I was told that the virus can’t multiply until it reaches human or animal. So it must be leaked at high dose.

  282. Tor597 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Definitely Bannon.

    The thing with Pompeo and other beaurocrats in the Trump circle is that they are all conventional beaurocrats.

    They want conventional attacks like tariffs, supplying Taiwan with weapons, color revolutions, etc.

    To release a bioweapon like this requires an unconventional mind and this points to Bannon.

    Bannon was the one who after all pointed out that if we were going to war with China we had to do it sooner rather than later. And while I do believe Bannon had the means to launch a secret opp to release a bioweapon.

    I don’t think he had the clout to push for conventional war.

  283. Tor597 says:
    @HBM

    Dr Lieber has terminal cancer so he will likely die soon. Awfully convenient that this important link will be tied up soon.

  284. kratic says:

    It is always refreshing to read Ron’s articles with interesting information and perspectives. I feel your conversations with Kevin did not address any new insight however, confirmed old that had been questioned by professional and many conspiracy theorist. I am really at loss of word to see people dont use the basic thinking to figure out simple things.

    [MORE]

    1. Face mask capability to capture particulate less than 40 micron. It can not and wont capture virus of 1 micron size. I did not see much debate on the subject. Instead, there was debate about the effectiveness, if it is good to control Corona Virus.. People are eager to write page after page without paying attention to basic question how this N-95 blue mask can catch 1 micron size when it is designed for 40 or more micron. I remember, Fauci was talking about 3 layers of masks at one time.

    2. The debate was turned into politics. For instance, did anyone bothered to ask where the doctors came up with 6 feet distancing? Like Walter lippman used to say that people will follow like a heard of sheep their leader or designated leaders or self proclaimed leaders leaders like Fauci and media writers. The distancing is supposed to be based on dispersion modeling that is beyond the comprehension of medical or CDC people. I did not see anything debate on distancing. Now after the event (for example rain) everyone (like frogs) is coming out to bisect and disect. No Debate at all.

    3. Effectiveness of PCR or other test. There were more than 150 test, however, not approved by CDC and were used. Chinese companies made some good money on those kits in the 3rd world countries.

    4. Vaccination debate still going on. Biden and other fools were wearing those Gucci designed masks just to show how effective the vaccine were. It took Tucker Carlson to point out.

    5. Scare mongering. People falling like leaves from the sky. What happened to those Chinese videos where some people fell down and die instantaneously

    6. My favorite is that when or before the house is burned, no one pays any attention that there is gasoline around the house and the house will catch fire. However, after the the frogs will come out and give their opinion why it was burned down, who was guy, if he mentally ill. all kind of juicy BS that lonely people would love to read.

    7. Old medical magazine have all kind of information that was not discussed during the paranoia but now the frogs are coming out to write and out smarting each other that found more information and credible information.

    Why Americans dont take some time to think and listen to their Grandmothers.

  285. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Well Said – but you’ve got me with ‘BIZWOG’! What the devil does that stand for?

    • Replies: @John Fisher
  286. @Old Brown Fool

    The latest Indian variant is proving really deadly…

    And yet, once they start using Ivermectin instead of the Corona Chan “vaccines”, people seem to stop dying and everyone gets better…

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/number_of_covid_cases_in_delhi_crashes_after_mass_distribution_of_ivermectin.html

    Given that all the Western Corona Chan “vaccines” inject the deadly Corona Chan “spike protein” into the target (or even make the target’s body manufacture the “spike protein”, with no “off switch”) and that symptoms of Corona Chan “spike protein” poisoning are indistinguishable from a Corona Chan infection, one may speculate that (if India is actually using any of the Western Corona Chan “vaccines”) the jump in Indian mortality is due to the “vaccines”, and not some deadly new Corona Chan “variant”.

    That’s why practically every country that has rolled out Corona Chan “vaccines” in any significant numbers has experienced an immediate explosion of “Corona Chan cases” and accompanying mortality. Just look at Cambodia – pre-“vaccine”, zero deaths; post-“vaccine”, an immediate explosion in “Corona Chan cases” and deaths.

    So here’s a theory – they’re not new Corona Chan “variants”, they’re not “breakthrough infections”, they’re not even “infections”. These people are being poisoned by the “spike protein” from the Corona Chan “vaccines”.

    • Agree: Old Brown Fool
  287. Tor597 says:

    @Ron Unz

    It seems like the Chinese diplomat Zhao Lijian first read about the Ft. Detrick lab leak possibility from the globalresearch.ca website.

    You may want to contact them for syndication of your articles for a wider readership and maybe higher up people will see it.

  288. @Wild Man

    The whole thing is a bio-warfare attack gone wrong, now converted into a frenzied campaign of hate and fear-inspired lying, to set the scene for war on China. The lunatics seem actually to think that China is simply a bigger Iraq. I cannot think of actions more thoroughly ‘Western’ in their racism, hatred and xenophobia.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  289. @One-off

    Not only did they lie about the ‘dangers’ of HCQ, they rigged WHO ‘research’ by giving truly huge doses to patients near death, when HCQ is for early use, before sero-conversion to CoViD19 disease, but the Lancet and NEJM also published the clearly fraudulent Surgisphere report, before being forced to repudiate it. A scandal that NO Western fakestream media vermin that I know of even reported had happened.
    Ivermectin is even more effective and safer, with, possibly, six deaths from 3.7 BILLION doses over many years. But both have been ruthlessly suppressed, causing untold numbers of unnecessary deaths and huge economic damage, because they are cheap, and because an Emergency Use Authorisation for the gene therapy injections aka ‘vaccines’, cannot be obtained in the USA if medicines for the disease are available.

  290. @Herald

    If the USA attacked China from the South China Sea, their battle groups would be sunk in minutes. The USA will attack from Guam, Okinawa, Japan, South Korea, particularly Jeju Island, and Australia, Those places will be sacrificed to the Holy Cause of Eternal White, Western, Judeo-Christian Rule over humanity. Of course, if it goes thermo-nuclear then we’ll all be dead.

  291. Tor597 says:

    Another coincidence I remember was the Chinese diplomat suddenly dying in Isreal during the early stages of the pandemic. Wonder if he was offed because he knew too much.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-52696833

  292. Bruno says:

    There are several points that seem to weaken your hypothesis :

    1) using 300 military people is very showy when shadowy operators could do the release job easily

    2) why did China reacted so quickly ? And why not releasing a virus for wich you have a remedy prepared ? That seems weird even by the standard of reckless neocons and super intelligent chinese.

    3) also now it’s seems less « fringy » to think it’s not the virus in itself that has been so destructive to the economies but the reaction to the virus. Countries that did nothing like Sweden weren’t hit as hard (and would have been less if others had done the same, that is rule the wave while informing the population). There was also a ban on macrolides drugs – that are now administered – that could have prevented hospital congestion. Much of the damage seems to lie more on the reaction to the virus than on the virus itself

    4) China was the propagandist of the zero covid strategy wich was extremely expensive and damaging for western world economies , because even if no one – except NZ and Australia -implemented it, it was a reference model that fueled «lockers» policies everywhere .

    I don’t have an alternative hypothesis btw … one of the 4 must be true (accidental natural/accidental artificial/criminal US or China).

  293. @SafeNow

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-05-27/The-U-S-latest-COVID-19-lab-leak-theory-push-is-a-distraction-10BEKHuT9U4/index.html

    “As I was saying Gomez–Amtrak Joe is brilliant. He needs this Covid in a lab story to partner with Mike Pompeo in Iowa to unite against China and partner with Russia. ” and with this–“Thing” ran over the piano keys and I couldn’t hear what Poroshenko was talking about over the phone…..the big punch line—

  294. @Bazinga

    I am a real groupie behind many of Ron’s American Pravda series. But this sub set of essays on CV19 being a Neocon biowarfare booboo just leaves me cold unpersuaded. True, it is feasible. And I am almost hair trigger ready to blame Neocons for more war crimes. But I am also fond of actual — read strong — evidence. And these essays do not seem to amount to much.

    Because, really, after a year there should be a recruitment of experts along with more evidence rather than just retreads of what is largely… conjecture. For example, regarding:

    1. Animal disease outbreaks in China. Animals get sick, especially when you confine them and treat them poorly. Why not get some animal science experts from UC Davis or wherever to corroborate the suspicion these have been attacks?
    2. The timing of the outbreak in China. What really is the statistical significance of it being three months before their new year holiday as opposed to one month or six months? (How do you evaluate that?)
    3. The 300 US military personnel attending the World Military Games. So what? Is this Thermopylae? I agree with Bazinga that it should only take precious few agents to do a biodrop.
    4. The Characteristics of CV19 being “perfectly designed” as a weapon. Really? Only thanks to the MSM, and not otherwise. Because without the relentless MSM fear hype, populations around the world could have marched right through this whopping <1%CFR largely unscathed. Or am I wrong?
    5. Bloggers remarkably quick to blame China for letting it out. Maybe so, but how does that jive with the mass censorship by Facebook, etc. I mean, Ehud Barak* was remarkably quick after the 9-11 mass murders to blame Osama Bin Laden, but then the primacy of that message never stopped.
    6. DIA warning on outbreak as early as November 2019. Okay. Ask them to comment. Ask Wade to address it. Like >> follow up<< and add some meat to this.
    7. Early outbreak among Iranian elites. Okay. What do they say about this? Ditto with the need to better corroborate this.

    I am all for pattern recognition, especially at it relates to uncovering huge crimes and criminals. But this collection of dots presented thus far does not amount to a convincing constellation. Dots too few, too faint and few real connections. Meanwhile, what was/is going on at the Wuhan Lab anyway? No coronavirus research? That is not what Rand Paul and others have been saying.

    * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbxYWKtYWM

  295. @Mefobills

    @FB has already given you appropriate praise for this line of powerful insight:

    [MORE]

    Debt spreading has metastasized, such that average people don’t have language to understand the fabric of reality they are immersed in.

    This is the part those who know God Incarnate Jesus, which needs to be the whole world, need to come to recognize – the Judaism of today is not the Torah / Old Testament:

    Finance Capital has a god, and it is Mammon. The Pharisee religion is one of Mammonism, especially after Hillel’s injunction to preserve Creditor rights over debtors.

    Michael Hudson explains this at p. 9 of his book 2018 book …and forgive them their debts
    which you have consistently recommended which is greatly appreciated as are all your insights here. He refers to The Pharisee religion as “rabbinical Judaism”.

    Todays Judaism is pure ethnic self worship which is instinctive to Jews anyway whether “religious” or not. The Jew sees himself and his tribesmen as supreme and entitled to dominion over the beasts which comprise the rest of what appears to the rest of us as humanity.

    What a rude perpetual awakening it will be for the Jew if he does not humble himself before God Incarnate Jesus before The Divine Son of God appears again.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  296. Bruno says:

    Your most important assumption is that you take for granted it’s all the virus and not a propaganda around the virus :

    [MORE]

    – intubation was catastrophic and it was known to be since Sars2
    – testing wasn’t helpful
    – letality was 0,5% of old and ill people and that shouldn’t by itself paralyze the economy
    – people were not treated with monoclides are there are now and have been in previous SARS outbreak

    If actions are measured by those standards, Trump wanting to calm people down had the idoneous reaction.

    Besides, the shifting of the narrative can’t be the result of one or two journalist. He wouldn’t have succeed more than alt right succeed in getting the word out about black crime statistics versus systemic racism. That is a propagandistic shift. Maybe it’s mimetism . Hysteria. Anti-Trump opportunism. But the information aspect is probably crucial.

  297. @Humbert Humbert

    But a virus sample infecting someone is only one of the alternative scenarios, and, as you correctly points out, an improbable one. It’s reasonable to assume that they have live animals inside those labs, on which they perform experiments, or from which they collect viruses. One of those animals could have infected a person in the lab. Other hypotheses for how a lab leak might occur are through an escaped animal and through waste disposal.

    I am no longer an enthusiast of the lab leak hypothesis, and am merely outlining those scenarios for the sake of being thorough. On comment #184 I provide a link to an article in virological.org that argues against the lab leak hypothesis with apparently solid arguments.

    It’s not exactly an inexplicable mystery that no one has found how that natural spillover has occurred. That article in virological.org lays out a few possible scenarios. I would add to that the hypothesis that, if an animal was found which could have provided the clue to that mystery, China may have simply made it disappear.

    China seems to loudly dismiss the lab leak hypothesis while more quietly denying also the natural spillover one. A lab leak would probably be worse for them in terms of demands for accountability, but a natural spillover would still be a liability, because they were repeatedly warned about taking preventive action against this kind of event and did not act accordingly. So, instead, they are going for total exculpation by blaming frozen imported meat, a total nonsense, and spreading even more nonsensical conspiratorial hypotheses about lab leaks in other countries.

  298. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    It was quite obvious from early on that this would be used as a casus belli for aggressive war against China… Talk of war with China, a sure and certain recipe for national destruction, is reverberating on the hard Right, ie the ruling regime and its flunkies, and the ‘Opposition’ barely dissents.

    The bipartisan aggression by the Australian political class toward China, throwing Australian sovereign interests and Australian prosperity for generations to come under the bus, confirms Australia’s status as a lowly lickspittle underdog groveling for full Team America ® status.

    It goes without saying, of course, that the sky-high salaries, benefits and lucrative pensions of Australian politicians are in no way threatened by their wilful destruction of the Australian economy. They’re a class apart from the common folk.

    Indeed some of its ‘females’ are among the most rabid anti-Chinese racists.

    Don’t get me started. Apparently displays of ball-busting testosterone are a prerequisite for advancement of the fair gender within the elevated heights of the Australian political class.

    Mind you, I use the term “fair gender” advisedly when speaking of psycopathic bull-dyke Foreign Minister Maurisa Payne.

    [MORE]

    We are pretty well rooted, I would say.

    I’m gradually coming around to a contrary view. Our politicians like to talk tough, under the delusion that the Australian Armed Forces are invincible with pure hearts and God on their side.

    Seems the idiots in uniform want to believe that too.

    The rampage of blood-thirsty child-killers across Afghanistan put paid any myth of courage or honour or even military prowess, though you’ll get a hysterically righteous tantrum from PM Morrison if you dare to draw attention to these facts.

    I say, if the Australian establishment is so keen to clash swords with China, let them have at it.

    Nothing like having your unilaterally aggressive armed forces getting their butts kicked from the shores of China all the way back to Australia and beyond to drive home a long-overdue reality check.

    And that would be an excellent reality check, because after that Australia would have no navy, no air force and a stone age army shitting themselves while they scramble to find any bush or rock they can hide behind.

    I wonder how much support our overtly militant government would be able to find amongst the Australian citizenry after them apples?

  299. @One-off

    How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them?

    Using Dr. Peter McCullough’s estimate, 85-90% of all Corona Chan deaths could have been averted if safe and effective remedies such as Hydroxychloroquine weren’t deliberately blocked by governments and the medical establishment.

    [MORE]

    Dr. Peter McCullough speaks on the Corona Chan “vaccines”

    Short Version (16 minutes)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Full Version (1 hour 45 minutes)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf31sl/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Dr. Peter McCullough interviewed on Corona Chan & “vaccines” (32 minutes)

    (https://rumble.com/embed/vdk769/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vg6dcd-peter-mccullough-interview.html ]

    The parallel consideration to the question of deaths caused by denial of medical treatment for Corona Chan, is how many people died as a result of the unnecessary lockdowns and other totalitarian measures?

    In these numbers we can count deaths due to denial of medical services and treatments for non-Corona Chan ailments such as heart disease, cancer, strokes, organ transplants,etc etc.

    We can also include those who died from domestic and other violence, self-harm or outright suicides.

    The official Australian Corona Chan death toll is a little under 1,000 people, although most of these people died “with” Corona Chan while suffering other more serious comorbidities. The true number of Australians actually killed outright by Corona Chan is probably in the low hundreds, maybe even less than 100.

    Meanwhile, over 500 Australians are known to have committed suicide as a direct result of the governments’ policy responses to the Corona Chan “pandemic”. The total number of Australians who have now died from all causes arising from the policy responses to Corona Chan is likely in the thousands, and possibly hundreds of times as many as those who have been killed by the Corona Chan bug – and remember, 85-90% of Corona Chan victims could have been saved if safe and effective medicines hadn’t been blocked by the government.

    And we haven’t even considered the deaths from the Corona Chan “vaccines”, those already past and those yet to come. Of course, those deaths will be attributed to “breakthrough infections” from naughty Corona Chan “variants”.

    I’m looking forward very very much to the day when all those government ministers, public servants, and corporate, medical and media officials responsible for this insanity are tarred, feathered and strung up from lamp posts, across Australia and around the world.

    A fellow can dream.

    • Thanks: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @sb
  300. @mapman

    https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-10/China-s-Ministry-of-Foreign-Affairs-publishes-article-on-COVID-19--QmtGtiHFTy/index.html

    These are some good questions and answers——it pays to read what the Mainline Murdoch and Tumer miss —along with ABC NBS CBS PBS and mainline pressitude—

  301. Anastasia says:

    The fact that the media and government are now embracing the lab leak story is an excellent reason for not believing it.

    Their labeling it “conspiracy theory” then, and a legitimate story now were both based upon the same factual fundament, known then and known now.

    The author says, “the virus killed millions”. One could easily argue that the virus did not kill millions, but the measures killed many and certainly killed the economy of most western nations. As a matter of fact, one could show with good evidence that the Executive Orders of the various states (all were the same), and the directives of federal health care agencies were all designed to kill people.

    • Agree: Vojkan
    • Replies: @Refl
  302. @Harold Smith

    A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Harold Smith
  303. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I wonder if that doesn’t say more about you and your state of mind than the reality. Apart from some vague references to Murdoch you have given little indication for the source of your beliefs about Australians, especially the political class and their attitudes. It looks as though you may seek confirmation from whatever you read or hear. Foe example you don’t show any evidence of awareness of Hugh White, Geoff Raby or – I heard him last night on Late Night Live – David Brophy. The latter shows up with this

    China Panic: Australia’s Alternative to Paranoia and Pandering
    Book by David Brophy

    Of course it sounds as though Brophy might agree with some of what you say.

    Meantime I have found a startling array of Rejections of my Cooments on articles in The Australian online. I discovered that links to Ron Unz’s articles, indeed website, are banned because some reference body has passed on lies and absurdities that absolves the moderators from knowing anything or thinking for themselves. On the present subject
    I found that my denunciation of the ridiculous idea that Australia should prepare for armed conflict with China (in some way – I forget what the tubthumper said exactly) was rejected because I had used the word “delusional” to describe the other Commenter’s views!

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  304. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Agent76

    Gain of function research has been going on for some time, particularly with Covid viruses. The United States has been the leader in this type of research, and it has been funding this work in Wuhan.

    I find the early intelligence report on the virus threat reported by the US Department of Defense quite troubling, along with the military presence in Wuhan at the time of the appearance of the virus.

    It is certainly not a stretch of imagination to think that the US government deep state could do something as reprehensible and evil as to release a life threatening virus on a host population. After all, is there much doubt that rogue elements within the US government, in cooperation with our good friends the Israelis, played a key role in 911?

    The theory proposed by Mr. Unz is at least as plausible as the lab leak theory from Wuhan, and far more likely than the bat soup theory.

    We cannot forget that we are dealing here with some seriously evil people who have already shown their willingness to murder innocent people to further their own interests.

  305. Skeptikal says:
    @One-off

    “This story is moving rapidly. Whether it was Wade’s paper or something is about to explode remains to be seen. ”

    “Lab Causes Jab, or Jab ‘Causes’ Lab?”

  306. Skeptikal says:
    @One-off

    “How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them? ”

    According to Dr. Peter McCullough, about 85 percent of those who died could have been saved with early treatment with HC and, even if the illness was quite advanced, a suite of about three other drugs. He saved his own elderly father. McCullough also treated himself and his wife for covid-19.

  307. Rich says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Every 9th or 10th item released by the government is true, just to keep us on our toes.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  308. Iris says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A criminal that commits a crime and then deliberately plants the murder weapon into his Nr1 foe’s garden to get him accused seems equally compelling to me.

    It is called a “false flag” in popular vernacular. I could make a long list of those, which interestingly, were committed exclusively by the US, Israel, or NATO, for over seven decades since 1945.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  309. Bazinga says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your obsession the DIA report is all that holds your theory up since there is *no* proof of virus presence in late October/early November, and China found no evidence of virus presence in November after a large scale study of infected patients in the Wuhan area. If you’ve got proof, you should show it. The WaPo article I link to says there is no evidence of virus in November in China. All the belief in that timeframe is built on the natural transmission theory, and hypothetical models. Of course, I have always allowed for late november virus presence, but have seen no evidence showing that.

    As for the supposed DIA report found by ABC, it’s clear the author, Josh Maroglin is a total fraud, given his other articles on China having the virus in the summer using satellite data. Despite the articles claim of government sources, no one has proved/corroborated his ABC article, especially not the other mainstream outlets like CNN or NYT. No credible paper has confirmed this outlets findings, and citing it in your theory is like citing a non peer-reviewed paper. It really hurts your article’s credibility. After all, why is this article different than “serious” claims by the MSM like those that Russia hacked the election? They also cite government sources to “prove” Putins meddling.

    But here’s another way to look at it. The SCMP article, written by its editor Josephine Ma, claims that China was tracking the virus by late November, something greatly against your theory and implicates China directly. Given SCMP’s status as a important Asian paper owned by Alibaba directly, which itself is under CCP influence, it seems to me the editor Josephine Ma has *huge* credibility as well. But it’s clear that her article is false, based in just common sense. This is what happens sometimes in newspapers, which is why I tend to look for more solid data in my arguments.

    However, you cannot argue the ABC article is true, while not accepting the SCMP article as true. Both have an equal amount of zero offered evidence supporting them, and both make very grandiose claims with huge implications for the development of this pandemic.

    So, I dont think there is *any* good evidence for your theory whatsoever.

  310. @Carlton Meyer

    My feeling is that there was much goodwill created both at the business and the research levels between China and the US before Xi took over eight yeays ago. The assertiveness of Xi contrasted with the lower profile of prior Chinese administrations after Mao’s era. This new assertiveness of the Chinese administration was was not well received in Japan (they elected Shinzo Abe as the strong man against China) and by the Obama administration. Trump just added some wood to an already burning fire. Do the Chinese have to be the slaves of the Western countries? It seems that the US Intelligence and Armed/Navy/Space forces at all levels believe so and they prepare for confrontation. The propaganda nachine is already in action. Wuhan is just the next step, following the developments in the South China sea, HongKong, Xinjiang and Taiwan. This is not the last step in the escalation …

  311. @Iris

    China is exceptionally easy to visit for Americans, whom I imagine are perceptive enough to therefore choose any time other than when there was a military games in town, which would both bring suspicion and make the virus much more likely to spread internationally.

  312. @Voltara

    Lmao. Look, if this “theory” holds any water then the U.S. and Israel are responsible for the Covid outbreak across Europe and indeed everywhere. So where’s the European outrage? Like I said if they could blame Trump they would in a heartbeat. Clearly they think this came from China and only China.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  313. What if:

    – someone had a hard-on for a lot of folks that they thought should be taken out?

    He/they, instead of using the old technique of stabbing someone in a train station with a Nicotine-tipped umbrella, thus killing “one for one”, instead uses a shotgun approach, and says “what the hell; I’ll try to kill as many people as I possibly can in the shortest period of time, and among the many million who might die, I might get lucky and kill off the few hundreds or so that I want to see gone”?

    Has anyone made a list of prominent folks around the world who have succumbed to the Covid (whatever it is) along with the millions of other just plain folks? Who’s missing? Who’s influence is not being felt do to an early demise?

    Any real standouts? Politicians, Bankers? Scientists? Nuclear weapons designers? Military generals or admirals? Members of congress or parliament? Drug cartel kingpins? Star soccer players? Whistle blowers? [can’t let a good pandemic go to waste!]

    Maybe this ‘covid-thing’ is just an internecine war among thugs – only using a different method this time. Al Capone and others were not averse to killing a few civilians in a hail of gunfire if they could take out the few guys they really wanted to wack. The drug cartels seem proficient at something like this. Hell – even the major military organizations of the world do it with drones on wedding parties from time to time.

    There must be hundreds of organizations around the world who have the cash and the connections to get their hands on all this kind of bio-toxin-stuff that they might want. Maybe the rest of us are just collateral damage in a private turf war.

    That may be the signal: the rest may be just noise. [“…much ado about nothing…”]

    Just a thought.

    [the real question is: is the US government more powerful than the Las Vegas Teamsters Union? OK – that’s unfair; throw in the East Coast Longshoreman and the Central Valley Strawberry Pickers!]

    “…who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? Only the Shadow knows!”

  314. Wild Man says:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The confounding thing about all this is that western Covid Officialdom’s enforced deceitful withholding of non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, …. implies intent (because western Covid Officialdom’s actions in this respect are immoral, irrational and unexpected). This confounding issue alone, begins to make it harder and harder to put together a cogent narrative that accounts for Covid Officialdom’s confounding actions, that also account for an accidental source (either natural or lab-modified).

    How can the covid source be accidental when there was huge concerted Covid Officialdom action in western jurisdictions to force the vaxx solution over other non-vaccine clinical options, (that should have been promoted in tandem with vaccine development, in order to reduce death and suffering, but instead were heavily discouraged), paired with the fact that we are now finding out the spike protein all by itself, is toxic, precisely because the virus that causes covid-19, possesses enhanced spike protein biochemistry by way of human manipulation (gain of function operations), and all the vaxxes program your body to temporarily manufacture said toxic spike protein?

    The more I think about this …. I am starting to conclude that option #1 and #2 in the list of 7 possibilities (as I outlined in my comment #268 above) …. don’t fit the facts. All the other 5 options (#3 thru #7) imply malice. Yikes. This is not going to end well.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @lysias
  315. @Bazinga

    But here’s another way to look at it. The SCMP article, written by its editor Josephine Ma, claims that China was tracking the virus by late November, something greatly against your theory and implicates China directly.

    This is not a correct interpretation of that article. It is obvious that the author could only be referring to retrospective testing; they get some samples stored in hospitals and test them for antibodies. Here’s a news story which tries to shed some light on that issue albeit from a pro-government standpoint:

    Professional’s reading of early case count shows no cover-up
    https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/a/128415

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Bazinga
  316. @Triteleia Laxa

    A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.

    First, since you don’t know what research was going on in U.S. biowarfare labs, your statement that the Wuhan lab “is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses” is pure speculation. Second, if it can be shown that people were being infected/sickened with SARS-CoV-2 in the U.S. before anyone in China was infected/sickened with it, then the activities of the lab in Wuhan become irrelevant. And the refusal of the U.S. “government” to investigate some of these apparently early cases of Covid-19 disease in the U.S. is suspicious if not damning, under the circumstances. So it seems that your opinion is is unfounded.

  317. aandrews says:

    Email Shows Researcher Who Funded Wuhan Lab, Admits Manipulating Coronaviruses, Thanked Fauci For Dismissing Lab-Leak Theory
    ZeroHedge
    Wednesday, Jun 02, 2021 – 08:16 AM

    Dr Fauci’s emails have been released via a Freedom of Information Act request, and there is some pretty interesting stuff in them, particularly one email where a researcher who funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology thanks Fauci for publicly dismissing the lab leak theory early on during the pandemic.

    […]

    Daszak notes that “coronaviruses are pretty good… you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily… the spiked proteins drive a lot about what happens. You can get the sequence you can build the protein, we work with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this, insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in a lab.”

    Elsewhere, the emails show that Fauci also knew very early on, before the WHO even declared a pandemic, that researchers suspected the virus had been ‘potentially engineered’ in a lab, as this exchange with Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute from January 2020 shows:

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
  318. Bob says:
    @Ron Unz

    China totally stamped out the virus, thereby eliminating the possibility of significant additional waves after the lockdowns ended.

    Not possible. There is no way you can stamp out covid unless you are completely isolated. What is far more likely is China had already gained herd immunity to C19 before 2020. China’s low levels of covid infection strengthen the argument that China 1) released covid or a similar coronavirus that provides immunity to C19 within China in 2018 or before, thus 2) inoculating their population ahead of starting the C19 pandemic in autumn 2019. There is evidence China and surrounded areas had higher than normal mortality figures for 2018, 2019, especially among the elderly.

    This graphic illustrates that China and nearby regions enjoyed greater herd immunity to C19 than other parts of the world. Obviously, whatever they released would not have stayed in China but spread elsewhere, with greater immunity centering around China.

    This graphic also explains why 50% of Americans had immunity to C19 in 2020 and still do today.

    What was China doing in Wuhan in early 2020? Were those dramatic deaths in the streets of Wuhan real or theater? Were the dramatic lockdowns real or theater? Was their pointless spraying of Wuhan streets real or theater? C19 was spread all over China during New Years travel. Why weren’t there massive outbreaks everywhere in China? Isn’t psyop theater a more likely explanation?

    • Agree: idrankwhat
    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Emslander
  319. @bike-anarkist

    Agree, this is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and is driven by UN Agenda 2030, the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations , the WEF and all the communist central banks of the world including the ZUS FED.

  320. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    just like the myth of the garage innovator, also a product of silicon valley….

  321. anonym25 says:
    @Bazinga

    Yes there is. Look up in the internet the name of French military athlete “Elodie Clouvel”. She said she exhibited the same symptoms as a Covid19 patient back in october 2019 at the Wuhan Military Games along members of the French delegation as well as other military athletes. The virus was present back in october 2019 and it affected a slew of athletes. The coverup is not only China’s fault: all the governments knew what was going on but they kept quiet. They couldn’t reveal at the times that their soldiers were infected on the grounds of national security threats. Another thing to consider, Biden said that as many as 6000 soldiers died from covid19 in a september rally prior in 2020. You might retort it could be that Biden was showing signs of dementia but he was serious when he made that statement. Soon after, they fact checked him to cast any potential suspicion away.
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/biden-incorrectly-says-6000-military-members-died-from-covid-19/

    I believe we’ll find the whole truth about as soon as we retrieve the health check up from the military out of curiosity. The fact that the pandemic began just after the military games is certainly not a coindicence. The fact that somehow after there is somehow a leak in a Wuhan lab after a Russian lab leak as well as the Fort Dietrick leak is quite bizarre to say the least.
    Here is the link of the Russian lab leak https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosion-smallpox-intl-hnk/index.html.

    By the way, I’m not saying that Russia is responsible for this whole mess. On the contrary, they are also victims of vile slanders coming from the west and this accident that happens to occur especially prior to a pandemic is way too suspicious. This also could be an attempted sabotage.

    • Replies: @anonym25
  322. Wild Man says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I am beginning to conclude, that, given what I outlined in comment #321 ….. you are right ….. an accidental natural source or accidental lab-leak source doesn’t fit the facts. Ergo: It’s biowarfare of some kind. Agreed. But, thinking it through, I also realize that, given what I outlined in comment #321, many of the other 7 possibilities I outlined in comment #268 can be ruled out too. As such, possibility #3, #4 and #5 don’t make sense either. We are left with either #6 or #7. I note that other commenters have continued to mention a key point….. that the CCP should absolve themselves of guilt by way of releasing data, so as to prove it is #6 and not #7. Yet the CCP continues and continues and continues to fail to do so. Ergo: At this juncture … #7 it the scenario that best fits the facts.

    Bizarro world. We live in bizarro world. All this is absolutely crazy.

  323. anonym25 says:
    @anonym25

    Or perhaps should I say Russian lab explosion

  324. Today Ron Unz, Zero Hedge has a released email to Fauci from his good bud Peter Daszak thanking him for the cover for saying the China Flu was natural…

    Later in the article they link to a scientific journal that shows where… get this Mr Blowback theory bullshit man…

    The Wuhan Institute in 2013 was in fact fucking around with bat viruses…

    shed: 30 October 2013
    Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor

    Nature

    Here’s the credits Unz!!!

    We acknowledge financial support from the State Key Program for Basic Research (2011CB504701 and 2010CB530100), National Natural Science Foundation of China (81290341 and 31321001), Scientific and technological basis special project (2013FY113500), CSIRO OCE Science Leaders Award, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) award number R01AI079231, a National Institutes of Health (NIH)/National Science Foundation (NSF) ‘Ecology and Evolution of Infectious Diseases’ award from the NIH Fogarty International Center (R01TW005869), an award from the NIH Fogarty International Center supported by International Influenza Funds from the Office of the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (R56TW009502), and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT. The contents are the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of NIAID, NIH, NSF, USAID or the United States Government. We thank X. Che from Zhujiang Hospital, Southern Medical University, for providing human SARS patient sera.

    Author information
    Author notes
    Xing-Yi Ge, Jia-Lu Li and Xing-Lou Yang: These authors contributed equally to this work.

    Affiliations
    Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, State Key Laboratory of Virology, Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, 430071, China
    Xing-Yi Ge, Jia-Lu Li, Xing-Lou Yang, Ben Hu, Wei Zhang, Cheng Peng, Yu-Ji Zhang, Chu-Ming Luo, Bing Tan, Ning Wang, Yan Zhu & Zheng-Li Shi

  325. @Harold Smith

    As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true, I have nowhere near the expertise to do so, instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  326. @Ron Unz

    The Covid bioleak theory had the Mark of Trump. It is noticeable that any other theory, similarly marked, faced immense hurdles in being taken seriously by the press over the last few years.

    Perhaps no mainstream publication wanted that Mark on them, but Wade burst the dam by self-publishing. The media then rushed in.

    That a new untraceable virus leaked out of a lab is an ordinary supposition. That it wasn’t a commonly published one, especially given the circumstances, is the fact which begs interesting explanation.

  327. @Harold Smith

    Can you link to a source that shows early covid cases? I can show you where NIH was funding research into bat viruses at the WUHAN lab dude.. And I can show you video of people dropping in Wuhan where the lab is which was getting funded by NIH…

    And to add to your absolute baloney along with Unz… okay the virus was leaked by Fort Dietrich!!!

    It is an infectious disease for sure… so why didn’t it explode in the US like it did world wide immedi8atley following your so called leak?

    • Replies: @Tar
    , @Harold Smith
  328. @Harold Smith

    the U.S. “government” has no credibility

    The US government has no credibility, period. There are no ifs about it. Neither do MSM. Just a few obvious lies in the last year: “largely peaceful protests” to describe violent rampages involving numerous murders and widespread arson; “deadly virus” to describe a disease you need a PCR test to detect; “aggressive Russia” to describe limited Russian reactions to blatant provocations by the Empire and its lackeys; etc.

    • Agree: Ace, John Wear
  329. @Rich

    Every 9th or 10th item released by the government is true

    Yes, the government still did not deny the times table, even though it’s “racist”. The way things are going, I am sure they will remedy this oversight soon.

  330. @Bragadocious

    they think

    Correction: European politicians don’t think, they follow imperial orders. If they did think, they would see real interests of European countries, and the EU would have shaken off the imperial yoke long ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
  331. @Richard Hill

    “Since no effective countermeasure to Covid-19 has appeared anywhere one doubts the bioweapon proposal.” Really?! The first vaccines were supposedly designed just hours after the genome was released, which suggests they may have been created alongside the virus itself and likely administered to anyone the perps wanted to protect long before the public rollout. https://www.patreon.com/posts/37831089 And Ivermectin and to a lesser extent HCQ are effective treatments. https://www.patreon.com/posts/meryl-nass-on-to-51919160

  332. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Hungary’s Orban? Luka?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  333. Bazinga says:
    @Brás Cubas

    Sure,
    But the my, though possibly flawed, understanding came from this line in the article:
    “Some of the cases were likely backdated after health authorities had tested…” To me it meant that some of their cases were already logged as they came in, while others were later to been found as Covid through backdating. If all the cases were backdated, then I would imagine the author would write that.

    • Disagree: Brás Cubas
  334. Tar says:
    @stonewall jackson

    “Videos of people dropping like flies “ive seen videos of dinosaurs and aliens eating people … have we seen any videos like that since …. no .

  335. @Chrisnonymous

    Actually, the difficulty of doing biowar human testing may help explain the blowback. “Sorry, Mr. Pompeo, if you’d given us a thousand prisoners to test it on, instead of just a few dozen, we might have discovered that the blowback potential was higher than anticipated…”

    • Replies: @d dan
  336. @Triteleia Laxa

    “As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true…”

    In your statement #259 you said: “Wuhan IS the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses.”

    Here you assert an opinion as if it were a generally accepted fact.

    …I have nowhere near the expertise to do so…

    Yet in your comment #259 you said for example:

    “Covid-19 (sic) looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing.”

    Being that you’re not an expert in the subject matter (nor are you apparently even a well-informed layperson), how would you have any idea about that? Why bother to publicly opine about a subject with which you are very unfamiliar?

    …instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    But as I’ve pointed out (and you apparently still fail to acknowledge), if it can be established that the virus was infecting people in the U.S. BEFORE anyone was infected in China, then the Wuhan lab becomes irrelevant. I don’t think you need to be an expert or even a well-informed layperson to appreciate the importance of the timeline here, right?

  337. @Anon

    Hungary’s Orban? Luka?

    Yes, some try to. The Empire usually tries to depose those for the sin of thinking.

  338. Ace says:
    @TheJester

    Excellent comment. There are people who today believe that the fall of the Soviet Union was a deception operation. They are intelligent people well versed in communism and its history but this notion of deception is absurd. There’s no evidence of any such thinking or acting in Russia today, let alone a Putinist lust for territorial expansion and obsession with doing to “the main enemy” what an obviously more malevolent Soviet Union failed to do over 70 years. Peter Sellers-like, NOW is the time to really make a move for world domination. Really?

    Your comment highlights that there was a parallel internal army of traitors and subversives who waged a far more insidious war against their own kind in the West. It pursued socialist utopia and monopoly capitalism entirely independent of the Soviets and the wholesale, deliberate, malicious destruction of the West that we see flows entirely from the headwaters of the Enlightenment, progressivism, Fabianism, and the Frankfurt School. No need to posit the continued existence of an invisible cabal of devious Russian communists.

    The Cold War was an honest contest between men and ideas. The coup de grace, however, has been delivered by contemptible, mincing, neckbeards.

  339. Huge, chronologically organized repository of information on many of the US & Chinese GoF actors and Covid origin issues just appeared on this site:

    https://peterdaszak.com/

    Has a definite blame-China bias, but still an enormous amount of compiled and detailed factual information.

    • Replies: @ghost of q.mensch
  340. Ron Unz says:
    @Bazinga

    As for the supposed DIA report found by ABC, it’s clear the author, Josh Maroglin is a total fraud, given his other articles on China having the virus in the summer using satellite data. Despite the articles claim of government sources, no one has proved/corroborated his ABC article, especially not the other mainstream outlets like CNN or NYT.

    You really should read my article more carefully. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, the existence of the secret DIA report was independently confirmed by Israeli TV a few days later.

    Meanwhile, you may have an absolutely firm conviction that the virus couldn’t possibly have appeared in Wuhan before (say) early December, but almost every other serious researcher and journalist seem to disagree with you. Late Oct/Early Nov is the very widely accepted date.

    For example, 20 seconds of Googling turned up this report of a seemingly credible academic study that used molecular-clock analysis to argue that Patient Zero probably become infected about two months before the Chinese officials discovered the virus near the end of December:

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    The article also mentions that later investigation by the Chinese authorities has uncovered a November 17th case.

    It’s possible that your analysis is correct and that of every other scientific expert and veteran journalist is wrong, but you’d have to provide some more persuasive evidence than just your silly claim about the early doubling-time being shorter than everyone else believes it to be.

    • Replies: @Bazinga
    , @Mehen
  341. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  342. Anastasia says:

    You’re believing these people on this video, and yet say the anti-vaxers are delusional?

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=B8BK578A9XM1

  343. @stonewall jackson

    Can you link to a source that shows early covid cases?

    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200516/coronavirus-florida-antibody-tests-bolster-suggestion-covid-spread-early-in-florida

    https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-coronavirus-up-to-171-cases-detected-in-jan-feb-health-officials-say/

    https://www.mcknights.com/news/mystery-grows-as-3rd-resident-dies-from-still-unidentified-respiratory-illness/

    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/belleville/2020/04/30/belleville-nj-mayor-tests-positive-coronavirus-antibodies/3057925001/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32791492/

    I can show you where NIH was funding research into bat viruses at the WUHAN lab dude.. And I can show you video of people dropping in Wuhan where the lab is which was getting funded by NIH…

    I’m sure you have a lot of useless and/or misleading establishment BS to share with the UNZ readership.

    And to add to your absolute baloney along with Unz… okay the virus was leaked by Fort Dietrich!!!

    LOL! It is Fort “Detrick” not Fort “Dietrich.” You might be taken more seriously if you could at least learn how to spell it.

    It is an infectious disease for sure… so why didn’t it explode in the US like it did world wide immedi8atley following your so called leak?

    I don’t know where it came from. It could’ve come from Ft. Detrick or it could’ve come from another U.S. biowarfare lab. But if it was released in the late spring or early summer, “seasonality” is one factor which could explain why it didn’t immediately “explode.”

    The role of seasonality in the spread of COVID-19 pandemic

    Xiaoyue Liu 1, Jianping Huang 2, Changyu Li 1, Yingjie Zhao 3, Danfeng Wang 3, Zhongwei Huang 4, Kehu Yang 5

    Abstract
    It has been reported that the transmission of COVID-19 can be influenced by the variation of environmental factors due to the seasonal cycle. However, its underlying mechanism in the current and onward transmission pattern remains unclear owing to the limited data and difficulties in separating the impacts of social distancing. Understanding the role of seasonality in the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic is imperative in formulating public health interventions. Here, the seasonal signals of the COVID-19 time series are extracted using the EEMD method, and a modified Susceptible, Exposed, Infectious, Recovered (SEIR) model incorporated with seasonal factors is introduced to quantify its impact on the current COVID-19 pandemic. Seasonal signals decomposed via the EEMD method indicate that infectivity and mortality of SARS-CoV-2 are both higher in colder climates. The quantitative simulation shows that the cold season in the Southern Hemisphere countries caused a 59.71 ± 8.72% increase of the total infections, while the warm season in the Northern Hemisphere countries contributed to a 46.38 ± 29.10% reduction. COVID-19 seasonality is more pronounced at higher latitudes, where larger seasonal amplitudes of environmental indicators are observed. Seasonality alone is not sufficient to curb the virus transmission to an extent that intervention measures are no longer needed, but health care capacity should be scaled up in preparation for new surges in COVID-19 cases in the upcoming cold season. Our study highlights the necessity of considering seasonal factors when formulating intervention strategies.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33610582/

  344. Ron Unz says:
    @stonewall jackson

    Later in the article they link to a scientific journal that shows where… get this Mr Blowback theory bullshit man…

    The Wuhan Institute in 2013 was in fact fucking around with bat viruses…

    You’re a remarkably ignorant fellow. Sure, the Wuhan lab was working with bat viruses. But *everyone* works with bat viruses. Here’s a late January 2020 article by Whitney Webb that you really should read:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    It’s perfectly fair for the US to demand the the Wuhan lab release all its virus research notes…if we do the same with Ft. Detrick and all our other 200(?) biolabs around the world…

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @gay troll
  345. A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments

  346. Wild Man says:
    @TheJester

    I agree with Ace .. excellent comment. With respect to your last paragraph:

    “The question: Does this second strain of oligarchical-based socialism now feel empowered enough to act? Are we in the midst of a coup designed to force the final transition to world government ruled by wealthy oligarchs with socialized economies (again, a euphemism for monopoly capitalism) a reality? “

    Precisely. This is really happening, and happening now. The western Covid Officialdom’s extremely wonky, irrational, immoral and lying narrative ….. forces said conclusion. I think we (the populace of the entire world) are in for a world of pain, coming to us all. As outlined in my comment #329, #321, and #268 ….. there really is no other way to see it. It’s gotta be either scenario #6 or scenario #7 (as outlined in my comment #268) ….. with scenario #7 looking more likely by the day. However, we still can’t discount scenario #6 yet ….. and if that ends up being the actual scenario, then I think this may well mean that the western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal intends hot war with China. So then, one kinda hopes for #7 instead then. Except that possibility is even more terror-provoking, in the longer run.

    It’s bizarro world. This is all mucho anxiety-provoking.

  347. MEH 0910 says:

  348. Bazinga says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well Ron,

    It’s frankly clear you are not understanding your own argument, much less the arguments of others. I’m not sure if this is a simple misunderstanding, or if you are being deliberately obtuse here. The argument for the timeframe of October/November, is based *strongly* on the assumption that the virus mutated into its current form, while *your* argument is that it was introduced as a bioweapon. Those are *very* different key points being made. That’s obviously where the scientists arguments are coming from, which is very different than a bioweapon being introduced.

    For instance, read that article carefully, instead of doing “20 seconds of googling” to try and prove your point.

    Here is an excerpt:

    In the new study, researchers used molecular clock evolutionary analyses to try to home in on when the first, or index, case of SARS-CoV-2 occurred. “Molecular clock” is a term for a technique that uses the mutation rate of genes to deduce when two or more life forms diverged — in this case, when the common ancestor of all variants of SARS-CoV-2 existed, estimated in this study to as early as mid-November 2019.

    They are assuming that the virus mutated naturally, and if you assume that then the timeframe changes quite differently. Their molecular-clock analysis is built on that belief of natural mutation, which is very different for a bioweapon.

    Further excerpts:

    [MORE]

    These tools included epidemic simulations based on the virus’s known biology, such as its transmissibility and other factors, developed by study co-author Niema Moshiri, PhD, assistant teaching professor in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at UC San Diego. In just 29.7 percent of these simulations was the virus able to create self-sustaining epidemics. In the other 70.3 percent, the virus infected relatively few persons before dying out. The average failed epidemic ended just eight days after the index case.

    “Typically, scientists use the viral genetic diversity to get the timing of when a virus started to spread,” said Wertheim. “Our study added a crucial layer on top of this approach by modeling how long the virus could have circulated before giving rise to the observed genetic diversity.

    “Our approach yielded some surprising results. We saw that over two-thirds of the epidemics we attempted to simulate went extinct. That means that if we could go back in time and repeat 2019 one hundred times, two out of three times, COVID-19 would have fizzled out on its own without igniting a pandemic. This finding supports the notion that humans are constantly being bombarded with zoonotic pathogens.”

    Wertheim noted that even as SARS-CoV-2 was circulating in China in the fall of 2019, the researchers’ model suggests it was doing so at low levels until at least December of that year.

    “Given that, it’s hard to reconcile these low levels of virus in China with claims of infections in Europe and the U.S. at the same time,” Wertheim said. “I am quite skeptical of claims of COVID-19 outside China at that time.”

    So in 70% of the simulations that they did with a viral release in late October/early November, the virus fizzed out without inciting a pandemic. This makes sense if you are talking about a natural mutation, but you are talking about a bioweapon. The US launched a bioweapon that had a 70% chance of failure? If you use the molecular clock analysis to get such a timeframe, then that same analysis also shows that the virus peters out 70% of the time. Perhaps Pompeo or Bolton are that risk taking, but I doubt it. 

    And before you say that maybe the bioweapon was released to multiple people, here’s what the article also says:

    Based on this work, the researchers estimate that the median number of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in China was less than one until November 4, 2019. Thirteen days later, it was four individuals, and just nine on December 1, 2019. The first hospitalizations in Wuhan with a condition later identified as COVID-19 occurred in mid-December.

    I agree with you that this article is credible, but if you actually read and understand it, it means that there was only one person with the virus till November 4th, and 4 people with the virus by November 17th. Therefore, your argument is now that the US infected merely one person with a bioweapon that had a 70% chance of failure in late October/early November. Frankly, if you believe that, then you are more idiotic and crazy than the MSM when they say Putin hacked the US elections.

    Also you said:

    The article also mentions that later investigation by the Chinese authorities has uncovered a November 17th case.

    Well, you should tell the Chinese authorities, which found *zero* evidence of the virus before December 8th. You should also tell the WaPo, since they didn’t seem to think there was any confirmed cases before early December:

    Again, here is the Wapo Article:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/who-were-the-first-coronavirus-cases-china-should-help-solve-the-mystery/2021/05/26/f43d7cc0-be49-11eb-b26e-53663e6be6ff_story.html

    You really should read my article more carefully. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, the existence of the secret DIA report was independently confirmed by Israeli TV a few days later.

    I did read those articles, and they actually contradict each other. The TimesofIsrael article says the Trump Administration passed over the evidence in November, and gave it to NATO and Israel:

    US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.

    But the ABC document says that the administration hadn’t been fully briefed on the report till January, when Trump was made aware of it:

    From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations.

    US intelligence did not deem the data of “interest”, according to Israeli TV, but they also decided to “repeatedly brief” administration officials and put it in Trump’s briefings in January?  You think this counts as independent confirmation? It’s now even *more* obvious to me that the whole DIA report is a hoax and doesn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Iris
  349. @Alvin

    Tell that to the people who died and to my husband who is suffering long term neurological affects of Covid, including seizures, -to the doctors and nurses in hospitals and people having to say goodbye to their loved ones through a plastic shield dying alone. Tell it to my friends in India. It would not have “gone unnoticed”. All that statement says is how privileged you are to not have lost anyone close to you due to the virus. The economic toll was just one of the costs.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @mh505
    , @Emslander
  350. @Wild Man

    So where does Event 201 fit in your list? Or Fauci’s 2017 assertion that the Trump Administration WOULD have a contagion to deal with?

    I think that the idea of a non-state cabal working to ignite a war between USA and China is worth considering. At the same time, the plan was to advance the implementation of China-style social credit control over Americans. If so, it may yet succeed.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  351. @lloyd

    You have to ask yourself: Who is capable of pulling off a world-wide global terror-hoax on the scale of Covid? Who pulled off 911? Who pulled off tricking the entire world with the Holohoax? Only the Jews are capable of a crime like Covid.

  352. Skeptikal says:
    @Wild Man

    “The confounding thing about all this is that western Covid Officialdom’s enforced deceitful withholding of non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, …. implies intent (because western Covid Officialdom’s actions in this respect are immoral, irrational and unexpected). This confounding issue alone, begins to make it harder and harder to put together a cogent narrative that accounts for Covid Officialdom’s confounding actions, that also account for an accidental source (either natural or lab-modified).”

    Exactly.

    [MORE]

    As I said upthread, the failure to treat and the suppression and criminalization of knowledge of effective meds and protocols is the smoking gun here.

    Any hypothesis that fails to account for this fact is, IMO, worthless.

    That was coordinated. Were Fauci and Gates on the coordinating committee?

    The obvious inference is that the whole operation was coordinated, from release of virus to lockdown etc.

    However, it is possible that an accidental leak of either a natural or an engineered virus prompted the quick rollout of a plan already put together at pandemic simulations such as Event 201.

    A.k.a “Patriot Act Maneuver.”

    Of course it is also quite possible that 9/11 planning included rolling out the Patriotic Act.

    In fact, if the Lockdown, withholding of medications, etc. was a planned response, it would even be possible that the virus had a natural origin.

    Kind of like “de facto arson” when a landlord takes advantage of a fire in his building to evict tenants he wanted to get rid of for a long time (a real-life experience of mine). In such a case, it is almost immaterial, whether it was actual or de facto arson.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  353. Wild Man says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    On your comment:

    “So where does Event 201 fit in your list? Or Fauci’s 2017 assertion that the Trump Administration WOULD have a contagion to deal with? “

    Not sure. Since placing my comment #268, I have subsequently thought about it a bit more, and have reasoned out which of the 7 possibilities in my comment #268, fit the facts (only #6 or #7) …. as based on logical inference and deduction, as based partly on an examination of ‘intent’ (as I outlined in comment #321 and then ultimately in comment #329). So earlier events (like Event 201, or past Fauci comments) ….. yes, in retrospect, it may turn out such earlier circumstantial evidence bears fruit as well (or maybe not).

    On your comment:

    “I think that the idea of a non-state cabal working to ignite a war between USA and China is worth considering. At the same time, the plan was to advance the implementation of China-style social credit control over Americans. If so, it may yet succeed.”

    Yes ….. the western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal may well be intending a hot war with China (that would fall within scenario #6). Alternatively, the current plan insinuated by way of western Covid Officialdom’s wonky, immoral, irrational, and lying narrative, may well end up being about working with the CCP on advancing the implementation of China-style social credit control over everybody within the reach of western jurisdictions (which, ultimately, perhaps is everybody in the world outside of China’s and Russia’s respective spheres of geopolitical influence), which would fall within scenario #7.

  354. Ace says:
    @Emslander

    Thank you kindly.

    I don’t see Mr. Unz’s scorched earth attacks but then reading this and his other articles and the multitudinous comments is like drinking from a fire hose so I could have missed them. 🙂

    Increasingly I find that ANY event or trend can be explained by a satanic malevolence on the part of the political class. Mass third-world immigration (a la Ray Caruso’s superb comment above, #63), off-shoring, hideous cultural subversion, attacks on police, releasing prisoners and violent arrestees, failing to keep the king’s peace, groveling before Israel, wholesale attacks on free speech, ceaseless brown- and blackification of movies and commercials, endless promotion of miscegenation, lunatic spending, reckless currency debasement, pointless, ruinous wars, and the glorification of black pathology, inter alia, cannot be seen as anything other than a coordinated, intentional, satanic attack on white European peoples.

    Maybe I’m slow but an attack on China just doesn’t fit in with these poisonous initiatives. Why bother?

    • Agree: Emslander
  355. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    EVALI showing no sign of being contagious beyond being “contagious” as something like obesity

    According to the CDC (link), “As of Feb. 18, 2020, 2,807 cases of hospitalized EVALI or deaths were reported by all 50 states” (emphasis added). This should give you some idea of the size and distribution of the EVALI epidemic.

    In a paper published by the highly respected New England Journal of Medicine (Syndromic Surveillance for E-Cigarette, or Vaping, Product Use–Associated Lung Injury by Kathleen P. Hartnett et al, dated February 20, 2020, there is a graph (Figure 1) of the number of Emergency Department visits caused by vaping. Hopefully this graph appears below (if it does not show up, feel free to visit the URL) :Figure 1. Emergency Department (ED) Visits with Electronic Cigarette (E-Cigarette) Product Use as the Reason for the Visit, According to Age Group.
    Note the enormous spike that peaked on September 8, 2019.

    There is an equally precipitous fall in cases in late 2019. You might think it was caused by people stopping their vaping habit, but that’s apparently not true. According to a market researcher (link), “The global e-cigarette and vape market size was valued at USD 15.04 billion in 2020 and is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 28.1% from 2021 to 2028”.

    So the vaping market is still growing like gangbusters. The drop in EVALI cases is therefore probably not caused by a shrinking market. Which means the huge rise in EVALI cases in mid-2019 was probably not caused by vaping either, but by something else.

    Whether COVID-19 caused the EVALI deaths is an open question, one which the US is apparently determined to never answer. The reported “ground glass lungs” in many of the deaths tilts the balance towards COVID, but we’ll probably not know until the cadavers have undergone PCR testing for the virus.

    (Note that EVALI peaked months before the first COVID-19 case in Wuhan.)

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  356. Wild Man says:
    @Skeptikal

    Your comment:

    “As I said upthread, the failure to treat and the suppression and criminalization of knowledge of effective meds and protocols is the smoking gun here.”

    Yes ….. I tried to respond to that comment yesterday, but my comment was binned. What the Covid Officialdom’s collective did to Dr. Stella Immanuel last summer, around the HC + other therapeutic regiment that she was using in clinical practice is Texas, which saved many lives, was derided by the leftist types common within the Officialdom collective, and in a way that was very crassly racist (these leftists showing there true colors there ….. hypocrites and charlatans). Not sure why that comment was not allowed.

    However, I don’t think there is any possibility that the original source was accidental and natural, or an accidental lab-leak (i.e. – the release must have been non-natural and not accidental), ….. because the unfolding vaxx partial-fiasco is clearly part of the plan (as Covid Officialdom’s disturbing actions prior to vaccine-availability, show) ….. and since the unfolding vaxx partial-fiasco is contingent on the engineered toxicity of the spike protein, …. it follows that Covid Officialdom was, in some way, in control of the virus that caused covid-2.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
  357. utu says:
    @Bob

    This is pure BS that you are pushing here. The postulate that China, Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan had a developed immunity to Covid-19 due to prior infections by virus X or viruses X,Y,Z for which there is zero evidence serves only one purpose: fortify the denial of non-pharmaceutical countermeasures like: border closures, quarantine, lockdown, contact tracing, masking. All those countries deployed the mixture of various non-pharmaceutical countermeasures very successfully leading to very low per capita death rate. They, with the exception of Japan, went for virus eradication strategies.

    Furthermore there is another usefulness of the BS that the EthicalSkeptic is pushing. Perhaps unsaid but insinuated that China having the immunity to Covid-19 could toy with it with impunity while it would become deadly for the West which opens the window to speculations about possibility that China intentionally released the virus and all what we were shown in Wuhan was just a theater to make us overreact. Which to you and that EthicalSkeptic of yours means unnecessary lockdowns and masking. Fro you and your kind it is all about lockdowns and masking. Guess what? Actually we under reacted.

    • LOL: thotmonger
  358. utu says:
    @Vidi

    EVALI has nothing to do with Covid-19 or any other infectious agent.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4538781
    As of February 18, 2020 there were a total of 2,807 hospitalized EVALI cases with 68 confirmed deaths that occurred in 29 states. Illinois and Massachusetts had the highest number of deaths which was five cases of death. The median age of deceased was 49.5 ranging from 15 to 75. Among the hospitalized the median age was 24 and 76% of patents were below 35.

  359. Ace says:
    @Wild Man

    I like your formulation “western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal.” “Political elite” implies a certain patriotism (though not much). “Deep state” is perhaps amorphous.

    Some attempt to describe the drivers of this madness. With the importation of millions of third-worlders, the worship of parasitic, rejectionist minorities, the embrace of cultural lunacy, and, among other things, a refusal to maintain simple street and home security it’s impossible for the citizen to take the final leap into an appreciation of the diseased people who determine the fortunes of the nation. I’m sure you know of Sarkozy’s notion of the duty (quote unquote) of French people to engage in “metissage” and this King of the Toads broke the mould for political stupidity, arrogance, and destructiveness.

    There’s too much apparent hostility to China and Russia for me to think there might be some coordination between them and our WBATWII types. We are, however, in uncharted territory with just about any institution you want to name having failed us. Just look at the Pope. The blankety blank head of the Catholic Church and if isn’t a strong contender for Antichrist 2021 I’ll eat my face mask.

  360. @Kevin Barrett

    Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, I challenge you to show me one source that says covid-19 has been isolated.

    • Replies: @Anon
  361. Ace says:
    @Bob

    That’s true. A well thought out plan including plan would necessarily focus on getting the job done (harming China). If the “western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal” also decided to go for broke and get a two-fer, it seems like it would also frustrate efforts to deal with a domestic pandemic by censoring criticisms of vaccines and discussion of simpler alternatives, pumping up the hysteria, and steering well clear of any kind of a gradual refinement of our understanding of the “crisis”. This last point is one of the real oddities of our national response. Initial measures imposed on the basis of incomplete information and a “better safe than sorry” motivation were fine but the sum total of what we knew and came to know about the vid remained between the ears of Fauci and, for a time, what’s her face. Good luck finding a reliable official site compiling our lessons learned. No, we’re still having mask held up as effective tools, pushing vaccines with an unexplained mechanism and danger (trust us), and acting like we don’t know that children are in no special danger. The national “debate” has been juvenile and opaque and certainly it did not include vigorous discussion of mortality risks or encourage something other than a cowardly take on what amount of risk to mature people tolerate.

    I’m not sure I said anything illuminating in response. Suffice it to say, we’re still at the state when everything has to be on the table and all possible explanations have to be listed and discussed.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  362. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    Whether COVID-19 caused the EVALI deaths is an open question, one which the US is apparently determined to never answer.

    No, it is not an open question. I don’t know how to make it more clear: The epidemiology (contagiousness) and pathology (slow vs sudden onset; age distribution) are completely different. Your claim is as ridiculous as claiming every diarrhea case to be an evidence of cholera.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Vidi
  363. Dumbo says:

    No one is mentioning the fact that the vaccine seems to be the catalyst for worse infections, be it because of complacency and being less careful, be it because people become asymptomatic or have milder symptoms but still spread it, or be it because of worse mutations caused by the vaccine.

    This seems to be the case in India; hopefully America and European countries do not repeat the pattern.

    [MORE]

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/infected-after-2nd-shot-vax-still-best-bet-docs/articleshow/81978612.cms

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/many-catching-virus-after-1st-jab-turning-silent-spreaders-docs/articleshow/82489543.cms

    Also, no one is mentioning that the virus and the vaccine seem to have been created almost together (certainly very quickly compared to other vaccines. It makes sense if it was a “bioweaopn”, the vaccine was likely created simultaneously as an antidote (it would make sense, right? you wouldn’t create a poison without an antidote).

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Ron Unz
  364. Anonymous[730] • Disclaimer says:

    Given such a scenario I doubt that this was meant to be just an attack on China. The US response, incompetent or otherwise, shut down the American economy by political fiat after some apparent confusion and has insisted on troublesome medical procedures, denial of evidence of cheap solutions such as hydroxychloroquine and zinc, Ivermectin and some others. Assuming that Covid and its capabilities as a bioweapon were well known to the US conspirators one should conclude the virus was meant to do double duty.

    The history of the Corona vaccines is very suspect. The insistence on emergency vaccine development excluding other approaches which would seem faster and less problematic raises serious questions. One could argue the above case as a traitorous putsch domestically in which a bio attack on China was engineered with full intention of seeing the virus spread to the West creating justification for tyrannical action.

    I suggest that if the above scenario is correct then there is a great deal more going on here than has yet been supposed. If the appearance of Covid in China is not accidental there is also excellent reason to suspect its coming to the US is not accidental either.

    A US bioweapon should have been well understood and produced a much faster and determined response domestically than was actually observed assuming the government really wanted to stop it. Why would it want to stop it becomes the question? Fast action might suggest the US knew too much about the virus. But given planning which would require allowing the virus to spread to the US for reasons of camouflage and plausible denial argues that planning for political and economic gain would be undertaken here too. The mystifying response of lockdowns, business closures, masks, padding of death figures for Covid, etc. argues for a dual attack. One could call this a one-two punch to take down China and opposition to the New World Order.

    • Agree: anonym25, idrankwhat
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  365. utu says:

    From David Cole:
    https://www.takimag.com/article/house-of-faucistein/

    Unz makes the only logical coincidence-based argument. Gain of function ban ends; Fauci funds the research. World Military Games bring American spooks to Wuhan in late October 2019; the first Covid cases occur immediately afterwards. Chinese caught unprepared; Iran leaders get infected.

    This does not mean he endorses or agrees with Ron Unz. He recognizes the appealing propaganda value of the Unz theory.

  366. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    And a counter challenge is to show me a photon. *Everyone* thinks photons exist, but you can’t isolate one, nor a collection of them.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  367. mapman says:
    @durd

    Look up “plaque assay” or “limiting dilution assay”. Filtered samples free of any living matter reproducibly produce cultures of dead cells that can be isolated and sequenced to find viral genomes that do not have anything comparable in humans.

    Or, in brief, don’t be stupid. It’s one thing to assign different weights to some pertinent facts but it’s completely different thing to be so bloody ignorant as to flatly deny indisputable facts.

    • LOL: John Fisher
    • Replies: @durd
  368. Dumbo says:

    As for the virus not existing. I don’t know. But it is clear that a new or different disease is out there, and that has some particular symptoms (loss of smell, extreme tiredness, lung infection) that are unusual and different from a regular flu. Not sure if it is caused by a “virus” or something else, not sure even if it’s really highly contagious (I think it depends on other stuff). But it is a nuisance.

    However, this mandatory vaccine stuff is worse. This will prolong this thing forever.

    Look at the absurd things they say:

    “But we don’t know. For these mRNA vaccines, we may be doing better than nature, better than a natural infection.”

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-06-02/vaccine-protection-may-diminish-need-for-yearly-boosters

  369. A super article,

    However –

    I can find no credible evidence of asymptomatic transmission, and without that particular piece of propaganda, how could the lockdowns be sold to the world?

    Also, the push for vaccinations is beyond crazy at this stage, so how does bailing out the pharmaceutical industry from its self inflicted opioid financial black hole fit into a strategy to just fuck the Chinese,

    Could it be that big pharma, which as we know is owned by the same ‘funds’ (Vanguard, Blackrock, SSGA, Capital, etc) was tasked with the get out strategy of the magic syrup, to get ‘normality’ returned without blowing the lid on the Bio attack?

    Giving the vaccine makers indemnity against any legal action over the effects of the vaccination programme it smells to me like these ‘owners’ were in a very strong negotiating position,

    The next disaster is the death and serious injury toll from these new type of vaccines,

    And if Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) becomes a thing what then?

    The fat lady hasn’t even begun to clear her throat as far as I can make out,

    I do hope I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  370. Ace says:
    @Anon

    Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Even if the French had not pushed HCQ it was decidedly on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum of the political class.

    He had good instincts and had no guile but I wish he had incorporated the 80/20 rule and the story of the Gordian knot into his style. But the howling onslaught must have bewildered and exhausted him. He was ill served by his consiglieri at every turn but that’s a discussion for another day.

  371. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    No, [whether EVALI was caused by COVID-19] is not an open question. I don’t know how to make it more clear: The epidemiology (contagiousness) and pathology (slow vs sudden onset; age distribution) are completely different. Your claim is as ridiculous as claiming every diarrhea case to be an evidence of cholera.

    Go ahead, compare the epidemiology of EVALI versus COVID. Note: there is evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already widespread in the US months before the first case was confirmed in Wuhan.

    As for the age distribution, doesn’t India’s variant B.1.167.1 prefer to attack younger people? So at least one variant of COVID-19 could easily fit EVALI’s age distribution, why not others? How do you answer this?

  372. Emslander says:
    @Bob

    What is far more likely is China had already gained herd immunity to C19 before 2020.

    Now that is a very important contribution to this whole mess. If anyone were treating this issue for what it is, which is a regular SARS flu, that would be an amazing assertion. Instead, it was treated as an opportunity for bureaucracies to frighten and then pen up the people of the world.

    • Replies: @Bob
  373. FB says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    Speaking of the vaccines: ALARMING DATA OUT FROM CDC AND EMA

    Over 10,000 vaccine deaths in Europe as of beginning of May.

    In US CDC reports over 4,000 deaths, 2,500 ‘permanent disabilities,’ 25,000 emergency room visits, and over 11,000 hospitalizations. Nearly 200,000 ‘adverse events’ all told.

    The number of ‘adverse events’ in Europe is over 400,000.

    Alarming Casualty Rates for mRNA Vaccines Warrant Urgent Action

    The actual numbers of all of these vaccine side-effects could in fact be much higher, as the incident reporting could be a small fraction of actual cases, with many cases likely not reported unless it happened within hours of getting the jab.

    Even if the reporting numbers are solid, tens of thousands of people DEAD already at this stage in the game is pretty alarming.

    The official US vaccine-related death toll is greater in just 5 months than all the vaccine-related deaths from the past 20 years combined.

    • Agree: idrankwhat
    • Thanks: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  374. Emslander says:
    @Interested citizen

    Tens of thousands of people die from a flu every winter season. My father-in-law died of a flu at the age of 57.

    All these losses are sad, maybe tragic, occurrences, but sadness is no proof that this flu was so uniquely dangerous that the lives and livelihoods of the entire world needed to be upended.

    • Thanks: thotmonger
  375. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    …denial of evidence of cheap solutions such as hydroxychloroquine and zinc, Ivermectin and some others…

    It seems that the medical establishment made a good call by opposing the alternative treatments like Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin or Vitamin D that were advocated by quacks as well as legitimate doctors who apparently fell victim of their own confirmation bias.

    Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials (15 April 2021)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

    We found that treatment with hydroxychloroquine is associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there is no benefit of chloroquine.

    Hydroxychloroquine in the prevention of COVID-19 mortality (November 05, 2020)
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30390-8/fulltext

    The study found no significant difference in standardised cumulative COVID-19 mortality associated with hydroxychloroquine use

    Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19 (March 4, 2021)
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

    The median time to resolution of symptoms was 10 days (IQR, 9-13) in the ivermectin group compared with 12 days (IQR, 9-13) in the placebo group (hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07 [95% CI, 0.87 to 1.32]; P = .53 by log-rank test). By day 21, 82% in the ivermectin group and 79% in the placebo group had resolved symptoms.

    The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19

    Ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials (May 25, 2021)
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.21257595v1

    In comparison to SOC or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have effect on AEs or SAEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.

    Vitamin D and COVID-19 susceptibility and severity in the COVID-19 Host Genetics Initiative: A Mendelian randomization study (June 1, 2021)
    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003605

    Hence, vitamin D supplementation as a means of protecting against worsened COVID-19 outcomes is not supported by genetic evidence.

  376. Mehen says:
    @Ron Unz

    You really should read my article more carefully. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, the existence of the secret DIA report was independently confirmed by Israeli TV a few days later.

    As I recall, it was not clear if the Israeli report was independently sourced or if was merely reporting on the ABC piece.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  377. Ron Unz says:
    @Bazinga

    They are assuming that the virus mutated naturally, and if you assume that then the timeframe changes quite differently. Their molecular-clock analysis is built on that belief of natural mutation, which is very different for a bioweapon.

    They’re obviously talking about mutations detected once the virus became substantially widespread, and then running the molecular clock backwards to try to approximately determine the timing of Patient Zero. You’re just misunderstanding all sort of obvious things.

    I’m giving up on you, and I doubt I’ll reply to your future, very loquacious comments.

    • Replies: @Bazinga
  378. Iris says:
    @Bazinga

    I’m not sure if this is a simple misunderstanding, or if you are being deliberately obtuse here. The argument for the timeframe of October/November, is based *strongly* on the assumption that the virus mutated into its current form, while *your* argument is that it was introduced as a bioweapon.

    This statement actually applies to you.

    Whether (1) the virus naturally jumped into humans from a zoonotic source and initiated its mutations inside human carriers, or whether (2) it was introduced under a defined, engineered form, and then only started naturally mutating inside its human hosts does not make any difference in the way its rate of mutation is calculated.

    The calculation of the date the virus most likely appeared in China was actually performed by Pr Forster. The calculation by linear regression returned a time interval between Sep 13 and Dec 7 2019, with a 95% confidence interval. It is a pretty large time window which fully encompasses Oct?Nov 2019.

    https://www.fluxus-technology.com/cov2020.htm

    Furthermore, the hypothesis is deemed so credible that the official WHO fact-finding mission on the origins of Covid19 carefully examined all cases of pulmonary disease that appeared in Wuhan in Oct and Nov 2019. Although they couldn’t find any irrevocable evidence of Covid19 contamination for these two months, they acknowledged that such early contamination was possible.

    They recommended not only for China to retrospectively look at its health record up to September 2019, but also for such effort to be conducted worldwide:

    https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
    Page 110:

    For example, conduct related traceability research on countries and regions with
    reported positive results in sewage, serum, human or animal tissues/swab and other SARSCoV-2 test by the end of 2019.

    • Disagree: thotmonger
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  379. Ron Unz says:
    @Dumbo

    No one is mentioning the fact that the vaccine seems to be the catalyst for worse infections, be it because of complacency and being less careful, be it because people become asymptomatic or have milder symptoms but still spread it, or be it because of worse mutations caused by the vaccine.

    This seems to be the case in India; hopefully America and European countries do not repeat the pattern.

    That sounds ridiculous to me, especially your citation of the India example.

    India is currently suffering the world’s worst outbreak, with expert estimates that something like 1.6 million people have already died, or perhaps even more than 4 million.

    Meanwhile, only 3% of Indians have been fully vaccinated, putting them nearly at the bottom of major countries.

    If the largest numbers of deaths are occurring where there are the fewest vaccinations, I’m not sure that entirely supports your theory…

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @thotmonger
  380. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    A US bioweapon should have been well understood and produced a much faster and determined response domestically than was actually observed assuming the government really wanted to stop it.

    Not if the attack on China (and Iran) was orchestrated by a small group of rogue plotters, probably associated with the Deep State Neocons like Pompeo and Bolton.

    After all, once the virus began devastating Northern Italy and leaking back into the US, they obviously couldn’t go to Trump and tell him what they’d done without his approval.

    • LOL: Emslander
  381. Wild Man says:
    @Ace

    On your comment:

    ” Good luck finding a reliable official site compiling our lessons learned”

    …. here goes a first try:

    1) The type of masking we all partook of (cloth or disposable) did very little (if anything) with respect to reducing the transmission of the virus that causes coivd-19, in either direction (either catching covid or spreading covid to others). The enforcement of masking, after this was clear (and it was immediately clear …. just do the mirror test for yourself, with exhaled smoke thru mask), set up social conditions by which ‘Karen’ types would spew outrage at more rational people. I followed all the mask mandates (and I’m in Canada and so still do, because we still have enforced masking here) out of a spirit of politeness and goodwill to others with respect to going along with the consensus rules, yet also told anyone whom I personally knew, whom wished to impose their rule-bound ‘Karen-ness’ upon me, precisely how the ongoing publicly sanctioned forced masking was moronic, and that yet I will abide out of a spirit of respect for those around me whom disagree. This didn’t go over too well. I got quite a few of the ‘Karens’ mucho mad at me. But the alternate choice was to abide and shut-up. That type of acquiescence is actually anti-social and so I won’t do that. As such, Covid Officialdom, by way of the masking policies, …. acted purposely to sow social discord (and still do to this very day in Canada). Absolutely pathetic.

    2) By way of what has been uncovered by truth0diggers, throughout the pandemic, our healthcare regime officials cannot be trusted (at all): The 5 egregious, extremely harmful, and obnoxious lies spewed by Covid Officialdom. Recommending vaxx for 12 year olds when Covid Officialdom’s own data shows this goes against the self-interest for this aged-cohort. Obfuscating said data, by refusing to measure the covid policies, in terms of person-years of life, lost or saved, instead of simply lives lost or saved.

    3) Covid Officialdom’s policies have generally, been terrible for everybody (all age cohorts), however, interestingly, even worse, is the fact that Covid Officialdom has crafted further downstream policies that try to gloss over the sheer stupidity and resultant harm of said polices, as borne more-so by more aged cohorts (as such cohorts are naturally more susceptible to more severe covid disease), by forcing a non-balanced policy approach, that favors the self-interest of older aged cohorts, to the detriment of younger aged cohorts (as becomes crystal clear once one begins to measure the outcomes of these covid policies in terms of person-years of life saved or lost, instead of just lives lost or saved).

    4) By way of what has been uncovered by truthdiggers, throughout the pandemic, the virology and immunology science communities appear to be out of control ….. to the point now ….. viral gain-of-function technologies for pro-social research endeavors cannot be meaningfully separated from viral gain-of-function technologies intended as bioweapons. This is both terrifying and exciting. Terrifying for obvious reasons … however exciting because this also means we are now sharply entering into a new era of huge increments in human domination over biochemical considerations.

    5) By way of this whole covid fiasco, we know that there is not any question at all now, as to whether a western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal exists and acts with malicious intent. No one can any longer deny this to be the case.

    6) Psychopathy (and other Cluster-B-type personality pathologies) are much more common at the apex of western power structures, than most people want to admit.

    7) The western populace (regular citizens) needs a much better handle on the CCP and China. The CCP and China now heavily feature in the future outcomes of all the people of the earth. As such, much much more transparency is needed in this respect.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @thotmonger
  382. Ron Unz says:
    @Mehen

    As I recall, it was not clear if the Israeli report was independently sourced or if was merely reporting on the ABC piece.

    You’re mistaken. Israeli TV independently revealed that the secret DIA report had been send to Israel and NATO allies as well as distributed to top American leaders, and various other crucial details. Just read the links to the separate ABC News and Israeli TV stories I provided in my article and you’ll see this.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  383. @ghost of q.mensch

    More dirt on Daszak-Fauci relationship just leaked:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/email-shows-researcher-who-funded-wuhan-lab-admits-manipulating-coronaviruses-thanked

    The question is why all this is getting leaked right now?

    Is the US CYA-CIA (and/or Pompeo/Uniparty et al.?) feeling heat from somewhere and trying desperately to burn the the GoF ‘Gang of Four’ (Daszak, Fauci, Baric, Shi) plus China to cover their tracks?

  384. @Ron Unz

    David Cole claims Wade didn’t know vital evidence. If you know Wade, maybe you can clear this up.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/son-of-frankencovid/

    So I wrote Wade an email. I asked him about the most important piece of evidence in the Covid origin investigation: the presence of Covid-positive environmental samples in the wet market (not just in the people who were infected there, but in the animal slop and waste and runoff—the market’s environment):

    My understanding is that the first major cluster of cases was centered around the wet market (not the first case, but the first cluster), and that 33 environmental samples taken at the market came back with traces of Covid. How does that jibe with the hypothesis that a lab worker was accidentally infected with a bug that had been engineered to be super-contagious for humans but not (as you pointed out) for animals? If a scientist walked out of that lab infected with something artificially primed for human-to-human transmission, something that bypassed entirely the process of passing through animal intermediaries, how does one explain the wet market cluster and the environmental traces among the animal detritus?

    Surely he’d have an answer for that, right? Well…he did.

    Thanks for your note. In answer to your questions, I had assumed the wet market cases were all in people and didn’t know about the environmental samples.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Iris
  385. Kapyong says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    “What a rude perpetual awakening it will be for the Jew if he does not humble himself before God Incarnate Jesus before The Divine Son of God appears again.”

    Can we please have all Jesus preaching banned here ?

  386. d dan says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “Sorry, Mr. Pompeo, if you’d given us a thousand prisoners to test it on, instead of just a few dozen, we might have discovered…”

    Two relevant points:

    1. Everyone who has involved in development of complex technical systems/products (e.g. biotech, IT systems, hardware design, organizational workflow…) knows that there will always be multiple iterations/ versions / blocks / variants being developed / produced before the final release: e.g. version 0.1, 0.2, alpha version, beta, release 1.0, 1.1,…. If SARS-CoV-2 is a bioweapon, or even just a peaceful medical research project for gain of functions (or whatever purposes), it is almost certain that there are multiple variants of the virus sitting in the labs somewhere in the world today. Almost equally certain, all these variants or strains of virus will have (slightly or substantially) different behaviors and characteristics in terms of infection rates R0, mortality rates, etc. Conceivably, a lab leak, or even multiple leaks could release different variants, and a bio-attack, or multiple attacks could also involve multiple variants.

    2. If it is a bioweapon, it is also almost certain that the designers would need to validate the “features” on some human subjects, preferably in some real living environments (rather than just prisons or other artificial conditions). As evil and notorious as Fort Detrick (e.g. it has a department calls 731, inheriting many projects from the infamous Unit 731 from Japan), it is at least currently and nominally under the supervision of CDC. Gone are the days when US military were allowed to spray bio or chemical weapons in the streets of San Francisco to test the results. That is how the vast networks of oversea bio-labs come in handy. They are ran and own by US military, located in poor, corrupted countries. In contrast to Fort Detrick, they are not under the jurisdiction of US government and don’t need to comply to US laws. If any testing was needed, it was definitely much easier to be done in those countries. Unsurprisingly, there were many reports of strange illness in many of these places.

    Both the above points argue that it is entirely consistent that the Wuhan outbreak was a bio-attack, and yet there are plenty of cases of Covid-19 or Covid-19-like illness reported in many parts of the world before the Wuhan outbreak.

  387. Iris says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The environmental contamination with SARS-CoV2 is undisputable and proven.
    The virus being brought to Wuhan through the food cold chain is actually one of the WHO experts main work hypothesis:

    https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
    Page 8:

    Environmental sampling in Huanan market from right at the point of its closing showed out of 923 environmental samples in Huanan market, 73 samples were positive. This revealed widespread contamination of surfaces with SARS-CoV-2, compatible with introduction of the virus through infected people, infected animals or contaminated products.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  388. Bazinga says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    I’m starting to think you can’t follow a basic argument. Their whole model is built on the concept of simulating a *zoonotic* pathogen. You should look up the definition of zoonotic. 

    [MORE]

    That’s what I meant about their molecular-clock analysis being based on that concept:

    Molecular dating of the most recent common ancestor is often taken to be synonymous with the index case of an emerging disease. However, said co-author Michael Worobey, PhD, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at University of Arizona: “The index case can conceivably predate the common ancestor — the actual first case of this outbreak may have occurred days, weeks or even many months before the estimated common ancestor. Determining the length of that ‘phylogenetic fuse’ was at the heart of our investigation.”

    If you have a zoonotic pathogen, then the virus starts with a singular “patient zero” and then moves onwards. That makes it difficult to figure out the initial period with a simple molecular dating analysis, since finding the time of the most common ancestor isn’t sufficient to determine the index case.

    Remember what you said to me in a comment in a prior article about your bioweapon concept? That you think the people involved infected maybe 8-15 folks initially. Except this article you cite states that the median number of people infected by Nov 4th was less than 1. By Dec 1st, median cases was 9. Therefore, this article that you cited to me completely defeats your bioweapon thesis. Why you can’t understand that is beyond me, but you made that claim earlier, and you should stick with it if your honest. That’s the difference between zoonotic and bioweapon, so I’m not sure why you say I have a misunderstanding.

    If you say that you feel that the US infected only one person with a virus with a simulated 70% chance of petering out, that’s your call. I would like you to clarify how many people the US initially infected, and when, so we can finally put this to rest, but I feel you’ll change your views like a chameleon.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @utu
  389. Wild Man says:
    @Iris

    So the WHO expert’s hypothesis does not discount the claim, that the environmental contamination found at the Huanan market, could have been eventuated solely by infected people?

    • Replies: @Iris
  390. @Bazinga

    What if ‘patient zero’ was a humanised mouse, with human ACE2 receptors in a mouse body? By the by, has anyone seen the brief Chinese video on the collaboration between Fort Detrick and the infamous Unit 731 in China, the Japanese bio-warfare lab that practised human vivisection ie live dissection, even of children, after Japan’s defeat? The US rushed ‘experts’ from Fort Detrick to the facility, hoovered up their ‘research’ findings (100,000 pages) and gave the top dogs like Shiro Ishii safe passage to the USA and continuing sanctuary to carry on his work. ‘Our Western Moral Values’ at their finest.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  391. @Iris

    Does a linear regression analysis hold true if the first umpteen generations of the virus are occurring, not in humans, but in humanised mice, with human ACE2 receptors? The thing was exquisitely adapted to humans from the get go.

    • Replies: @Iris
  392. lysias says:
    @Wild Man

    In the 2011 Hollywood movie “Contagion,” the solution to the pandemic turns out to be a vaccine from WHO and CDC, and the skeptic (called a “conspiracy theorist”) who urges other remedies turns out to be a crook who is just in it for the money and ends up being arrested for securities fraud.

    They were preparing the public for a covid-like event already then.

  393. Anon62 says:

    WHO Revisits Puzzling COVID-Positive Blood Samples From Pre-Pandemic Italy in Origins Hunt

    WHO scientists are taking a harder look at a set of blood tests taken in Italy in October 2019 that later tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

    On Tuesday, WHO officials confirmed they were in contact with a group of scientists in Italy who published a shocking report last November revealing that several blood tests collected as part of a lung cancer screening program months before the first cases of COVID-19 were detected in Italy had mysteriously tested positive for antibodies the body produces to fight SARS-CoV-2.

    Their report, published by the Italian National Cancer Institute in its magazine Tumori Journal, found that 111 of 959 samples in the trial showed the unique spike protein SARS-CoV-2 uses to infect cells in the human body were present in the patient’s blood, and that tests of other similar coronaviruses were negative. That would mean that the patients had contracted and recovered from COVID-19 by the time of the October blood tests, signaling that COVID-19 was circulating in northern Italy in September 2019 – six months before the first cases were detected in Milan in February 2020.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/202106021083060943-who-revisits-puzzling-covid-positive-blood-samples-from-pre-pandemic-italy-in-origins-hunt/

    The samples are presently being re-tested to confirm the original findings.

    This reporting is also suported by water treatment plant preserved samples of intake water. The virus is shed in fecal matter and was detected in water samples obtained prior to October 2019 in both France and Italy.

    This suggests the virus was circulating undetected prior to its identification in Wuhan, China.

    This evidence raises questions about strange “pneumonia” and “vaping illnesses” reported in the US in the summer of 2019 with the first of these reports occuring around the time the Fort Detrick military bio-lab was ordered shutdown by the CDC.

    The COVID outbreak may have been a lab release but this evidence suggests the lab responsible was other than the lab in Wuhan.

    The Americans have every incentive to ignore this evidence and assign blame to China. The louder the megaphone the better to drown out rational conclusions.

    This evidence also delivers circumstantial evidence to support the thesis the participants at the Wuhan military games introduced the virus to China either intentionally or accidentally. The hotel accomodations for these atheletes was located in the area of the Wuhan fish market. The primary mode of transportaion between accomodations and the venue was likely via the Wuhan metro system.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Harold Smith, Brás Cubas
  394. @utu

    I would far prefer the expertise and experience of groups like the FLCCC who whole-heartedly support Ivermectin, to a bunch of Big Pharma stooges or wannabes. The next thing you’ll be quoting the Surgisphere fraud to oppose HCQ.

  395. One-off says:
    @Bolteric

    Interesting. I dunno …. the thing about hybrid 2/6 blend is …..if the agenda IS the vaxx (more precisely … if the agenda IS the toxic spike protein that the vaxx programs one’s body to produce …. and all the vaxxes do just that) ….. and the toxicity of the spike protein is contingent on the virus strain source, …. then one would assume the perpetrators were in control of the virus strain source …. so is that really a leak then? More like an intentional act – right?

    The agenda is/was the economic power grab, which is more or less near completion. The virus and vaccine were means to an end. The technology was readily available to use when an opportunity presented. From memory, the 2008 outbreak caused much discussion about whether to employ the mRNA technology on a virus for the first time, and it was reported the risk was too great. No doubt the police state apparatus that serves the Globalists was not nearly ready then.

    I totally agree with your point about malice. Withholding therapeutics that were low risk and known to work is beyond the pall, and “malice” doesn’t begin to describe it.

    I have thought, and still lean this way, there was an action plan ready the first time a virus presented that could be used as a pretext to grab power. Really, this has just been the realization of what was the end game with “Climate Change.” You are absolutely right as to who is behind it, and the motivation.

    You are seeing other actions taken now to consolidate power. The financial houses snapping up real estate, the alleged Russian hacks of various industries slated for destruction, and so on, are a continuation of what started in March 2020. Look for more riots to wipe out small businesses this summer; I think that’s a primary objective not achieved yet.

    It is horrifying and we are living through an actual nightmare.

    • Agree: Skeptikal, Ace
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  396. @utu

    In that same article, Cole informs us that random sampling from surfaces at the infamous Wuhan wet market yielded numerous positive Covid-19 tests. If true, this detracts significantly from the lab leak theory. I tend to take Cole seriously despite his humorous writing. Not sure what the source is though.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Brás Cubas
  397. @Wizard of Oz

    I wonder if that doesn’t say more about you and your state of mind than the reality.

    Mulga Mulgabrain does express his position rather emphatically, but to be fair, his frustration with the dire predicament we seem to be in is understandable.

    It appears that the globalist faction of the Australian political class has the upper hand right now, with virtual capitulation to the Davos crowd’s agenda and the Corona Chan insanity across at least the southern Australian states, and certainly enjoying bipartisan support at the Federal level. The incestuous rot is palpable, with the Victorian Chief Health Officer’s sister-in-law being on the National Coronavirus Advisory Panel while at the same time literally being on the Gates Foundation payroll.

    The virtually unconditional bipartisan support for kicking China in the nuts at every opportunity shows the incredible lack of concern by the Federal political fraternity for Australia’s sovereign interests and the general welfare of the Australian common folk. Our ruling elite clearly clearly give Team America’s ® approval much higher priority than Australia’s prosperity and security.

    In truth, however, and as you seem to suggest, there is an ongoing battle for the soul of the Australian people. I personally note an undercurrent of rebellion against the direction that Australia is being dragged, as more people begin to open their eyes and comprehend the wider reality beyond the orchestrated facade presented by our controlled media organs.

    IMO Australia really needs a charismatic leader with backbone and genuine dedication to the country’s people to step in from left field, kick arse and set things right. I’ve been waiting ever since they knifed Gough Whitlam in the back.

    Still waiting.

    • Replies: @nsa
  398. utu says:
    @Bazinga

    Results of simulations in the paper

    Timing the SARS-CoV-2 index case in Hubei province (23 Apr 2021)

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    that

    “Molecular clock” is a term for a technique that uses the mutation rate of genes to deduce when two or more life forms diverged — in this case, when the common ancestor of all variants of SARS-CoV-2 existed, estimated in this study to as early as mid-November 2019.

    “Based on this work, the researchers estimate that the median number of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in China was less than one until November 4, 2019. Thirteen days later, it was four individuals, and just nine on December 1, 2019. The first hospitalizations in Wuhan with a condition later identified as COVID-19 occurred in mid-December”

    suppose to refute late October seeding during the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan.

    Their result is not much different from what Domenico Benvenuto et al. published already in Mach 2020:

    The global spread of 2019-nCoV: a molecular evolutionary analysis
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32048560/

    “In agreement with epidemiological observations, the most likely geographic origin of the new outbreak was the city of Wuhan, China, where 2019-nCoV time of the most recent common ancestor emerged, according to molecular clock analysis, around November 25th, 2019. “

    which also used molecular clock method and data available in already March 2020. What is new in Pekar et al. 2021 paper?

    The question one should ask how accurate, how robust are such reconstructions. Did they account for missing data as RNA of early infections are not known and not all patients have been identified or tested in late December 2019 and early January 2020. The back extrapolations are inherently inaccurate, unstable and even ill-posed. So they must be regularized and constrained with data and assumptions that often are artificial. Did Pekar et al. do an honest robustness test of their result when all assumptions and parameters are questioned and varied, when some data are lost on purpose and extra fake data are added?

    There is no one god given method that is right particularly when data are incomplete and our knowledge is limited. Here is a paper that investigates different methods for inferring the root of a phylogenetic tree.

    Assessing Uncertainty in the Rooting of the SARS-CoV-2 Phylogeny (December 2020)
    https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/38/4/1537/6028993?login=true

    We investigate several different strategies for rooting the SARS-CoV-2 tree and provide measures of statistical uncertainty for all methods. We show that methods based on the molecular clock tend to place the root in the B clade, whereas methods based on outgroup rooting tend to place the root in the A clade.

    Previous analyses have reached different conclusions about the rooting of the phylogeny. Although analyses that used an outgroup reached one placement (Shen et al. 2020; Tang et al. 2020; Yu et al. 2020; Zhang et al. 2020), analyses that used midpoint rooting reached another placement (Li, Zai, Zhao, et al. 2020; Li, Zai, Wang, et al. 2020; Nie et al. 2020), and yet other analyses using a Bayesian molecular clock have reached a different placement of the root (Benvenuto et al. 2020; Giovanetti et al. 2020; Lemey et al. 2020; Li, Li, et al. 2020).

    In such cases, the outgroup will have a tendency to be placed on the longest branches of the ingroup tree. In viruses, in particular, because of their high mutation rate, it can be challenging to identify an outgroup sequence that is sufficiently closely related to the ingroup sequences to allow reliable rooting. An alternative to outgroup rooting is molecular clock rooting, which is based on the assumption that mutations occur at an approximately constant rate, or at a rate that can be modeled and predicted using statistical models

    There are several challenges when doing so. First, and most importantly, there is very little variability among the early emerging strains of the virus, challenging both molecular clock and outgroup rooting. Secondly, although the nearest outgroup sequence (RmYN02) is 97.2% identical to SARS-CoV-2 (Zhou, Chen, et al. 2020), the synonymous divergence is >11% revealing the presence of appreciable homoplasy, providing potential additional uncertainty for outgroup rooting. Thirdly, it is unclear if a molecular clock assumption is suitable during the early phases after zoonotic transfer where selection could possibly be quite strong. Finally, coronaviruses experience substantial recombination

    Notice, the four methods for outgroup rooting are largely compatible (fig. 2). Most of the bootstrap replicates place the root in one of two places: in a clade leading to three Japanese sequences, two sequences from the USA, two Shenzhen sequences, and one Beijing sequence (with bootstrap proportion varying between 0.068 and 0.184, and posterior probability 0.0413) and in a clade leading to two Washington sequences, one Shanghai sequence, and one Zhejiang sequence (with bootstrap proportion varying between 0.074 and 0.142, and posterior probability 0.0363). None of these rootings are very epidemiologically plausible given that the first outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 was identified in Wuhan.

    They obtained vastly different inferences about the root age.

    According to molecular clock: “we infer the root age of the molecular clock rooting to be in mid-October 2019 (2019.794) with a 95% confidence interval of [2019.225, 2020.363] and we estimate the rate of evolution to be 5.470 × 10−4 substitutions per site per year with a 95% confidence interval of [3.049 × 10−4, 7.891 × 10−4].”

    According to outgroup rooting: “The inferred root age of the outgroup rooting is much earlier than other estimates, in mid-August of 2019 (2019.632), with a much wider 95% confidence interval of [2017.632, 2020.469], an indication of greater uncertainty and less molecular clock signal. We estimate the rate of evolution for the outgroup rooting to be 3.547 × 10−4 substitutions per site per year with a 95% confidence interval of [1.112 × 10−4, 5.969 × 10−4].”

    “The results are qualitatively similar to the results inferred from the BEAST analysis in figure 1B, which also give an older inferred root age when the tree has a root is in clade A (mean age 2019.769) than when it is in clade B (mean age 2019.827) (supplementary fig. S1, Supplementary Material online).”

    Finally they think “For that reason we consider the rooting in Clade B, as estimated in molecular clock analyses, and implied in standard phylodynamic analyses (e.g., Lemey et al. 2020), to be the most plausible rooting.”

    However they recommend caution: “…as a root in Clade B cannot be excluded based on the phylogenetic evidence alone, it might be prudent to avoid strong inferences regarding the early divergence of SARS-CoV-2 based on a fixed rooting in either the A or the B clade, and analyses based on the outgroup rooting should be avoided until outgroups more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been discovered.”
    _________________

    I would no get too excited about the Pekar et al. paper and thinking it provides you with a sword that you could slay Ron Unz’s dragon is just silly.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Bazinga
  399. gay troll says:
    @Ron Unz

    Do you think the CDC will un-redact their report on the lab leaks at Fort Detrick?

    Thereby allowing the public to know which Federal Select Agent was “released” from BSL containment due to a failure thereof?

    You have acknowledged that, according to your theory, SARS 2 was most likely developed at Fort Detrick. You have also acknowledged the BSL containment breaches at Fort Detrick in 2019. Occam’s razor insists upon the possibility that these breaches were the source of the virus, especially since an unexplained epidemic of COVID-like pneumonia arose in the U.S. soon after USAMRIID was shut down by the CDC.

    But instead you hang your hat on official euphemisms, denying that “containment breach” is SYNONYMOUS with “leak”. You also ignore the issue of redaction, as if no information is being withheld by the federal government.

  400. Ace says:
    @Ron Unz

    I would welcome the spotlight being shone on what it is we do at Fr. Detrick. While we’re at it we can take a hard look at the Supreme Court’s record of hostility to liberty, worship of the central state, and obsequiousness toward the plutocracy; the destructiveness of the Fed; and the Dept. of Justice’s inexplicable blindness where monopolies are concerned. The pension disaster also bears looking into as is the question why taxpayers are obligated to pony up for munificent pensions for public employees. While we’re at it we should ask Chuck and Nancy where things stand with that Herculean labor to accomplish comprehensive immigration law reform. Surely by now there’s a rough draft of the bill for us to look at. Sarcasm not direct at you.

    I once believed implicitly in the righteousness of all that we did during the Cold War but, to borrow from a Warren Buffett, “You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.” The removal of the Soviet enemy left the real nature of the MICC complex exposed, esp. when it refused to stand down, retrench, and use a smidgen of creativity to put together something more workable than the approach advocated by Gen. Jack Keane. The looting of Russia and the expansion of NATO to Russia’s doorstep, inter alia, revealed a pettiness, venality, shortsightedness, and stupidity that was just epic. It’s hard to believe but I think this grotesque version of the American constitutional republic was there all along. Gen. Butler would no doubt agree.

    Thus, no citizen can afford anything but a turbocharged skepticism about anything and everything done or said by “our” government. Our security and law enforcement organs are manifestly enemies of the republic, as are the MSM and entities like the SPLC, the ADL, and AIPAC. So anything that exposes the crown jewels of the political class is a positive good. And it’s not just Detrick but the whole sordid network of biological research facilities that appears to dot the planet. What goes on there? Something greasy, I suspect, like our ardent support for ISIS and the White Helmets in Syria.

    While we’re at it the facility where Epstein spent his last moments of despondency could favor us with an analysis of the physics of how you can hang yourself by attaching paper sheets to something just three feet from the floor.

    So it’s a much larger issue. As gcjohns1971 commented on ZeroHedge in February:

    The Petty, vain, venal, neurotic, obsessive, corrupt and cowardly denizens of our national political apparatus inherited the greatest concentration of wealth, industry, goodwill, and military power in 6000 years of history and squandered it in a single generation.

    They believe themselves superior.

    Let’s look at it ALL.

    • Agree: Wild Man
    • Thanks: Skeptikal, RichardDuck
    • Replies: @Emslander
  401. utu says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    “I tend to take Cole seriously” – Sure, if he is your enemy you better each your back. But whatever he says it must be verified. He has no moral spine and no scruples to stop him from saying or doing what just suits this purpose. He is not really human.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Jefferson Temple
  402. Wild Man says:
    @One-off

    Yes …. I mostly see it as you have described.

    One thing though … on the means to an end ….. they gotta kill people with the virus – why? They gotta kill people with the wrong-headed covid polices -why? And they do that so as to ensure they can go on to kill or maim people who get adverse reactions to the toxic spike protein as progammed by the vaxx – why?

    I see it – yet it’s all so nuts. Damn is this ever weird. What is going on?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @One-off
  403. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    “Based on this work, the researchers estimate that the median number of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in China was less than one until November 4, 2019. Thirteen days later, it was four individuals, and just nine on December 1, 2019. The first hospitalizations in Wuhan with a condition later identified as COVID-19 occurred in mid-December”

    suppose to refute late October seeding during the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan.

    Sure. The reason I cited that particular journal article is not that I’m claiming it’s better than all the others, but it was the first that came up when I Googled something like “first Wuhan covid case.” So the Pekar article seemingly represents today’s “mainstream narrative”, whether correct or incorrect.

    Also, note the subtitle of the article: “Study dates emergence to as early as October 2019; simulations suggest in most cases zoonotic viruses die out naturally before causing a pandemic”

    And with regard to the paragraph “Bazinga” excerpted about November 4 as the start date: “However, said co-author Michael Worobey, PhD, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at University of Arizona: “The index case can conceivably predate the common ancestor.” And summarizing their results:

    “By combining these disparate lines of evidence, we were able to put an upper limit of mid-October 2019 for when SARS-CoV-2 started circulating in Hubei province…Regional newspaper reports suggest COVID-19 diagnoses in Hubei date back to at least November 17, 2019.”

    So the current mainstream estimate is late Oct/early Nov for Patient Zero, just as I was claiming.

    Maybe all our academic scientists and public health experts are entirely wrong. I’d need to see some solid evidence from a random anonymous commenter on my website to persuade me of that.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  404. Refl says:
    @Anastasia

    The fact that the media and government are now embracing the lab leak story is an excellent reason for not believing it.

    Their labeling it “conspiracy theory” then, and a legitimate story now were both based upon the same factual fundament, known then and known now.

    The author says, “the virus killed millions”. One could easily argue that the virus did not kill millions, but the measures killed many and certainly killed the economy of most western nations. As a matter of fact, one could show with good evidence that the Executive Orders of the various states (all were the same), and the directives of federal health care agencies were all designed to kill people.

    I kindly ask for this comment to be given a bronced frame!

    Wishfull thinking of mine, oh silly me…

  405. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    “I tend to take Cole seriously” – Sure, if he is your enemy you better each your back. But whatever he says it must be verified. He has no moral spine and no scruples to stop him from saying or doing what just suits this purpose. He is not really human.

    I hadn’t previously looked at the two Cole columns, and I tend to agree with your appraisal. They contain a lot of insults, ranting, and claims, but there’s no way to know whether material is real, exaggerated, or fictional. He really strikes me as a pathological liar and propagandist. Didn’t he once fake his own death or something strange like that?

    With regard to his supposed evidence from the Wet Markets, it’s possible that Wade missed it when he was producing his 11,000 word article. But I also don’t remember reading anything about it in Nicholson Baker’s 12,000 word cover-story in New York Magazine, which surely employs many fact-checkers. And it also seemed absent from Philippe Lemoine’s 31,000 word series in Quillette.

    If those claims were regarded as solid and significant by experts, I find it difficult to believe that they wouldn’t have been discussed in the 54,000 words by Wade, Baker, and Lemoine.

  406. Ace says:
    @utu

    From what you quoted relating to HCQ the studies appear to have focused on HCQ alone. If memory serves me, HCQ was not intended to be administered alone but in conjunction with zinc and a certain antibiotic. And early in the progress of the disease.

    The first linked article mentions neither zinc nor any antibiotic. “Most trials investigated HCQ or CQ in hospitalized patients” as the report states which may be an indication that the study focused on patients whose diseased had progressed significantly past the point of initial manifestation of symptoms.

    Also, the report states “This meta-analysis does not address prophylactic use nor other outcomes besides mortality.” I thought the point of HCQ plus zinc and an antibiotic was that it was effective precisely in a prophylactic rather than curative role. I don’t know the meaning of “outcomes besides mortality.”

    The famous Lancet study was garbage because it employed extremely high dosages of HCQ which is an extremely safe drug at much lower dosages, namely, normal dosages. That doesn’t mean this study is trash but it’s proof that a dishonest agenda can be found in prestigious medical journals.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @utu
  407. Ace says:
    @Wild Man

    Thank you for your effort to create that summary. What I find amazing is the lack of a process by which this amazing, science-based, technologically adept nation engaged in anything like keeping score. Absolutely no process ever came to light whereby informed experts gradually fleshed out our national understanding of what was happening. Instead, what was “our” official take on things seemed to be merely what Dr. Fauci had to say at any one moment and I believe that had a tendency to fluctuate at times.

    PS — If you want to look at our national elite a al your point 6 there’s no better place to start than this incredible article by Diana West. It takes a strong stomach to read it.

    • Replies: @One-off
    , @Skeptikal
  408. Skeptikal says:
    @Wild Man

    Re “What is going on? ”

    Dr. Peter McCullough: “Something is going on here.”

    Buffalo Springfield: “Something’s happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear.”

    You can say that again.

    People who I think ought to know better set up a cartoonish strawman with phrases such as “Karl Schwab, a ridiculous James Bond type figure” to, it seems to me, head off serious attempts to figure out the outlines of the network/cabal/group of conspirators that is pushing hard to change/transform/undermine a number of nations and their citizens.

    Catherine Austin Fitts, on conspiracies (this was binned earlier):

    “I was trained as a portfolio strategist—so I map my world by watching the financial flows and allocation of resources. I was also trained as a conspiracy generator and foot soldier—conspiracies being the fundamental organizing principle of how things get done in our world. It was not until I left the establishment that I learned that those not in the club had been trained to disparage and avoid conspiracies—a clever trick that sabotages their efforts to gather power.”

    https://home.solari.com/deep-state-tactics-101-the-covid-injection-fraud-its-not-a-vaccine/

  409. One-off says:
    @Wild Man

    I see it – yet it’s all so nuts. Damn is this ever weird. What is going on?

    I don’t know. It may be no more complicated (albeit chilling, to be clear) than collateral damage to consolidate economic and political power. This is one of those hinge points where the opacity will not allow for satisfactory analysis until much time has passed, if then.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
  410. What a strange coincident. The anthrax used as part of the 9/11 false flag was also traced back to Ft. Detrick.

  411. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    Here is an update from Rick Wiles on the victim list of the hidden elite’s hit on Trunews:

    “Although I rejoice that Jesus has delivered me, my wife Susan is still very fatigued. Daughter in law Tiana was transported to the hospital very early this morning with extreme dehydration and vomiting. She’s home now but Jeremy has now developed symptoms. My son-in-law, Marshall, is very weak. Grandson Blake too. Daughter Karissa not feeling great. Edward Szall is very sick. Three members of our team are recovering.

    This was a full-frontal hit from Hell on your TruNews family. Because Jesus Christ lives in us, we shall live too. Your prayers are needed for the above family members and team.”

    I count 11 members of the Trunews team that were hit hard with a Covid Cluster Bomb. Certainly there are more. The timing, severity and breadth of this hit can not be merely coincidence, and as Master Mason Franklin Roosevelt famously stated: “In Politics nothing happens by accident”.

    Again I say to Ron Unz: be very careful and take your vitamins.

  412. One-off says:
    @Ace

    @Wild Man
    Thank you for your effort to create that summary. What I find amazing is the lack of a process by which this amazing, science-based, technologically adept nation engaged in anything like keeping score. Absolutely no process ever came to light whereby informed experts gradually fleshed out our national understanding of what was happening. Instead, what was “our” official take on things seemed to be merely what Dr. Fauci had to say at any one moment and I believe that had a tendency to fluctuate at times.

    PS — If you want to look at our national elite a al your point 6 there’s no better place to start than this incredible article by Diana West. It takes a strong stomach to read it.

    Seconded, both as to the thanks given to Wild Man for his list and as to your content. Not only was there no attempt to keep score, the pathetic results were memoryholed, sometimes hourly. If someone were cynical, they would assume the endgame was all that mattered, which of course is true.

    Something seems about to explode into the public domain that appears to have forced at least some acknowledgment that mistakes were made. A few disparate things recently seem interconnected: the rolling disclosures about potential spread prior to November 2019, the absolute targeting of Bill Gates from someone(s) inside that perimeter, and the same apparently happening to Fauci. No clue why, though, which is how it is when you live in a totalitarian state and propaganda and opaque machinations force you to look at the official narrative as a distorted riddle rather than a reflection of reality.

    • Replies: @Ace
  413. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    I found this:

    https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-wet-market.html
    A number of early cases of the outbreak in Wuhan were tied to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Later, researchers took environmental samples that suggested the virus had landed on surfaces in the market. But in the period since, tissue samples from the market’s animals have revealed no trace of the virus. For the virus to jump from animals to humans, the animals have to actually be carrying it.

    Is it possible that environment in Wuhan market was contaminated by sick people who worked there and shopped there but the mode of transmission was not from surface to humans but from humans to humans?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-04/where-are-we-in-hunting-for-the-coronavirus-s-origin-quicktake
    Of the first 174 known cases of Covid-19, 51 or 33% had links to the Huanan seafood market. In fact, it was a cluster of pneumonia-like illness among people connected to the so-called wet market that heralded the contagion. The market had 678 stalls and more than 1,180 employees supplying seafood products as well as fresh fruit and vegetables, meat, live animals and grocery items. (It was shut down at 1 a.m. on Jan. 1, 2020.)

    Since the first known Covid-19 case preceded that by four days, it’s possible that the virus was introduced to the market by an already infected person — potentially a trader or a visitor not showing symptoms — who passed it to others. Testing after the market was closed found widespread contamination of the floor, walls, chopping boards and cleaning tools compatible with the virus being transmitted from infected people to surfaces.

    Of the 336 samples collected from animals, none were positive for SARS-CoV-2, but it’s possible that not enough samples were taken.

    When the Wuhan market was in the center of media attention early in January transmission via fomites and not via droplets and aerosols was emphasized. Later when some German professor studied samples of fomites in small town that was hit hard with Covid-19 he could not find many viruses on surfaces so since then the focus was shifted to transmission via air. At that time masking was still not considered as necessary preventive measure in the West.

    COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning? (29 January 2021)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  414. utu says:
    @Ace

    Effect of High-Dose Zinc and Ascorbic Acid Supplementation vs Usual Care on Symptom Length and Reduction Among Ambulatory Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Infection. (February 12, 2021)

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776305

    “In this randomized clinical trial of ambulatory patients diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 infection, treatment with high-dose zinc gluconate, ascorbic acid, or a combination of the 2 supplements did not significantly decrease the duration of symptoms compared with standard of care.”

    • Replies: @mapman
    , @Ace
  415. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Is it possible that environment in Wuhan market was contaminated by sick people who worked there and shopped there but the mode of transmission was not from surface to humans but from humans to humans?

    Sure, that’s pretty much the impression I’d gotten from the MSM, plus the very lengthy articles by Wade, Baker, and Lemoine.

    Since I’m absolutely no expert on these public health/virological/epidemiological issues, I feel it’s safer for me to rely upon the months of investigation and analysis done by others who seem fairly solid and reliable rather than trying to read and digest a huge bunch of academic journal articles, and then decide for myself which are the most authoritative and persuasive.

    But offhand I’d say that the links you quickly found are a lot more credible than Cole’s angry ranting, especially since he provided no source for his claims.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  416. @utu

    As I said, I don’t know what Cole’s source is because he doesn’t give it. And yes, he is insulting but that is just the way he writes. To my knowledge, Cole gained his 15 minutes of fame by being a vocal Jewish holocaust denier and that takes balls no matter who you are. I’d love to know where he got his information but in this episode of wall-to-wall lies I’m staying open to many possibilities. It’s pitiful of you to deny the man’s humanity. Explain?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  417. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @utu

    I haven’t looked at your references because I don’t have the expertise to evaluate them but I do know of intelligent, sincere, accomplished doctors who say the opposite, including Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Meryl Nass. The later has been featured a few times on Kevin Barrett’s radio show here on the Unz Review.

    Mainstream sources, which tend to engage in group-think rather than real-think, are not automatically reliable. Remember the article published in Lancet about HCQ that had to be withdrawn: it was a complete fraud! That probably doesn’t apply to the articles you cite but the Lancet case dramatically illustrates that the medical establishment is prejudiced against Covid-19 treatments and preventatives.

    • Agree: Skeptikal, Ace
    • Replies: @utu
  418. Bolteric says:
    @Ron Unz

    For whatever reason I bought his book Republican Party Animal from a secondhand retailer. I can’t say I got very far with it.

  419. @Ron Unz

    What are your thoughts on the Fauci e-mails?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  420. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    That sounds ridiculous to me

    I’m just reporting with the Times of India said, about vaccinated people becoming “silent spreaders”. Maybe complain to them?

    I have no idea about the current situation in India.

    However, if the virus was man-made and is a bio-weapon, wouldn’t it make sense to develop a vaccine at the same time? Wouldn’t that explain how fast the vaccine was made? Mr. Ron Unz is silent on that issue.

    I’m not so concerned about the vaccine side effects, they might be minimal for all I know, I am more concerned about “vaccine passports” and the whole idea of conferring full rights and citizenship only to people who perform the annual vaccination ritual (as it will become annual), or what Giorgio Agamben calls the new medical state where all citizens are considered “asymptomatic viral vectors” who must constantly prove their innocence with with a test or certificate.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  421. utu says:
    @Mark Hunter

    Reality is complex. It takes an effort to learn how to navigate through it. One has to learn about phenomena like bias confirmation that affect our perceptions and actions and about placebo that may directly alter manifestation of physical reality.

    There are good reasons why double blind tests became a requirement to test efficacy of treatments. Even the best well intentioned doctors can be fooled and overestimate the efficacy of their treatments. And then there is money factor which brings quacks and charlatans.

    But people fall for them every time because they offer hope and if the charge for their treatment is high their patients may have better outcomes.

    I do not know exactly what is Dr. Peter McCullough’s schtick is but I presume he advocates alternative treatments while I have noticed that Dr. Meryl Nass writes for that conspiracy site in Canada. The first one offers hope while the second one brings up suspiciousness and mistrust about the so called official world. A perfect duo where one scars you while the other one offers hope and salvations.

  422. @Wild Man

    “we know there is… a supranational globalist cabal…”

    Ron Unz does does not seem to agree, to wit this essay where he speculates it is merely a small “rogue” group based in USA. Ha.

    • Replies: @durd
  423. @Ron Unz

    Not so fast. Was this snappy video illustrating quite a few nations experiencing spikes in “CV19 deaths” right after the deployment of vaccines ever debunked or coherently explained away?

    I understand the “expected” deaths part may be dubious, but the numerous spikes are certainly very very suspicious. (The graph for India starts at 1:47. )

    In any case, I remain concerned about the long term ill effects of such a large scale experiment of vaccinating the entire planet. Should there not be some bonding by the wealthy oligarchs who proclaim its safety? Any takers?

  424. @Anon62

    As to Mr Wade and his reported brilliance can someone please enlighten me with respect to the options foreclosed when he titles an essay: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    I keep checking back, only to see that my comment (#28) and even a question (#212) directly to Mr. Unz about this are being ignored, too.

    Yet he continues to cite the Wade article in jousting defense of his theories, as the convoluted thread increasingly resembles those that used to grow below the articles by Jonathan Revusky.

    • Replies: @Anon62
    , @Ron Unz
  425. @Jefferson Temple

    Not sure what the source is though.

    His immediate source seems to be the McNeil article, since he provides a link for it. But I suppose you want to know which primary document provided that information; it’s the WHO report (click on the Annexes link in the page below, go to Annex E, page 184):

    WHO-convened global study of origins of SARS-CoV-2: China Part
    https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/who-convened-global-study-of-origins-of-sars-cov-2-china-part

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
  426. @utu

    I think everyone could greatly learn and benefit from listening to what Dr. Peter McCullough, Texas A&M, has to say in this 105 min long interview released on Rumble 05/27/21.

    [MORE]

    McCullough presents a powerful opposing viewpoint that is in direct contrast to the thrust of utu’s “golden box” comment.

    WORLD RENOWNED DOCTOR BLOWS LID OFF OF COVID

    https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html?mref=6gby3&mrefc=4

    I hazard to guess that if Mr. Unz could afford the time to listens to what the highly articulate and understandable Dr. McCullough says in this interview, he would reconsider bestowing that golden box…[perhaps even going so far as to replace it with a ‘Black Box’ warning 😉 ?].

    • Agree: Mark Hunter
  427. Emslander says:
    @Ace

    The pension disaster also bears looking into as is the question why taxpayers are obligated to pony up for munificent pensions for public employees.

    As a public pensioner myself, who is far from getting wealthy on the very humble amount I receive each month, I will explain the reason for pensions, which, before the Fed destroyed our middle class, was not a dishonorable goal for a necessary government employee. In good times, we public servants didn’t share in the prosperity. In the bad times, we had furloughs and pay cuts. As we get older, our pay stagnates, because the political class knows that we’re helpless to bargain for more. In exchange, we look forward to some kind of steady income as a compensation for all that.

    In a prosperous America, we were looked down on as unfortunately poor servants. In the current America, we are vilified. Maybe that explains, but maybe not.

    • Replies: @Ace
  428. Emslander says:

    It appears, from Fauci’s emails and his lies under oath that there is a much simpler explanation for this international cluster-bomb. He funded research into “gain of function” viruses and then panicked when he saw that one had escaped from Wuhan in late 2019. By the time of the first case in Washington State in January, 2020, he was ready with the grandest obfuscation ever perpetrated by an overpaid political bureaucrat. He rode it as far as he could and now the chickens are coming home to roost for him.

    Try that on, Ron.

  429. @utu

    “the only logical coincidence-based argument”

    “appealing propaganda value”

    So this is all going nowhere slowly.

    The superfluous and inapplicable Orwell reference being some sort of hype or maybe desperation.

  430. @Ron Unz

    But I also don’t remember reading anything about it in Nicholson Baker’s 12,000 word cover-story in New York Magazine, which surely employs many fact-checkers. And it also seemed absent from Philippe Lemoine’s 31,000 word series in Quillette.

    Baker’s article came out in January, and Lemoine’s series is even older. The WHO report came out in March. See my comment #435:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#comment-4696409

  431. Anon62 says:
    @Greta Handel

    Gretal:

    I believe the popularity of the Wade article is directly attributable to the fact he imposes a desired narrowing of the scope of intellectual query. His 11,000 word article delivers the necessary intellectual authority to substantiate and reinforce a desired bias – China did it. Bad China.

    Americans believe what they want to believe and appear unperturbed by any degree of facticity. One of the few agreed facts in this matter is the following:

    In December 2019, a local pneumonia outbreak of initially unknown aetiology was detected in Wuhan (Hubei, China) and quickly determined to be caused by a novel coronavirus, named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)2, with the disease referred to as COVID-19.

    SOURCE
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-74050-8

    China detected and identified a novel pathogen. This is agreed fact. The matter of origin is yet to be decided, as is the initial mechanism of spread.

    Wade obfuscates a second critical issue: the question of “people or nature.”

    Evidence in support of nature is found in the following:

    After virus introduction to a given geographic region, a number of unique or narrowly shared mutations accumulate; however, most of them reduce fitness and are removed by purifying selection on a medium- to long-term evolutionary scale, tending to decrease genetic variability.

    Ibid

    Old Microbiologist, or someone with a better knowledge of the relevant science, may wish to confirm my lay understanding of this statement which amounts to the following: The virus arrives somewhere and proceeds to mutate as it spreads through the population. The viral genome undergoes a process of natural selection as it spreads. The most lethal variants are purified out (because they quickly kill the host and therefore inhibit further viral spread) while less lethal variants come to predominate. Over time, the genotype stabilizes and a dominant and pervasive strain emerges in the locality.

    These subtypes are depicted in the dynamic diagram found at the following URL:
    https://microreact.org/project/f25A3jAvE5TjzxAf38UCEq

    Inspection of the Microreact dynamic graph shows Japan to exhibit a single dominant strain. Current reporting suggests the existence of a UK strain, a South African Strain, and an Indian strain, all of which may, or may not, be more pernicious than the strain first identified in China.

    The Microreact dynamic graph commences with the first emergence in China. I suggest this charting is incorrect. The first identification occurred in China; that is agreed fact.

    Identification is not synonymous with origin. Origin has yet to be established as has the initial mechanism of spread. There is as yet no evidence to falsify the Unz theory of bio-warfare blowback. Some of the strongest evidence in support of the Unz theory is the apparent deliberate intent at obfuscation and mis-direction. In a global cancel culture, if everyone yells China did it, then it takes a brave individual to suggest an alternate thesis.

  432. mapman says:
    @utu

    Have a look at the actual paper. It’s a stupid design made to have no statistical power (four treatment groups of N~50 each). VitC consistently shows improvement though, and zinc dose was tiny, only 50 mg zinc gluconate per day; it is argued that for antiviral activity it needs to be taken as ~ 200 mg elemental Zn/day. Zn and weak but not negligible antiviral activity goes back to hundreds of papers showing effects (on flu mainly IIRC).

    And it does no look to be the case of publication bias either.

    Bottom line is: 200 mg Zn per day taken for a week only is not going to harm you. It may help. I’d take if I knew I had Covid.

  433. OK Unz I have looked at your articles and what a complex web they weave… Now you go look at Fauci’s emails…. somehow Fauci and his very emails are missing from your theories of neocons… or rogue military agents etc…

    Yes Everyone does bat research… The fucking WVI included, funded by Fauci…

    Who in his emails to his colleagues seems to do all he can to cover up that the virus seemed to be engineered..

    So if you want to say there was a conspiracy… it might be Fauci and NIH doing it!

    In your next article on this worn out subject which no one will ever know the truth… cover Fauci and why it is or isn’t him…

    • Agree: Emslander
  434. sb says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    The reported average age of death by Coronavirus in Australia is in the high 80s
    The average age of death in Australia is in the mid 80s

    I’m pretty sure that for Australia 2020 and 2021 will have a lower than usual death toll

  435. Bazinga says:
    @utu

    I would no get too excited about the Pekar et al. paper and thinking it provides you with a sword that you could slay Ron Unz’s dragon is just silly.

    Actually, it does disprove his theory when you think about it carefully.

    When Unz was first arguing his theory a month or so ago, I pointed out how ridiculous it would be if the US initially seeded one or two individuals with a bioweapon, pointing out that there would be a significant chance that the virus would just die out on its own. 

    He responded by saying that maybe the US seeded 10-15 people, and that’s how the whole thing started.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4653556

    I would think that infecting 10-15 Patient Zeros would be sufficient, and given a doubling time of 3-6 days, it doesn’t impact the timeline much.

    This Reuters article discusses a PLOS study published on Jan 2, reporting that mass-testing had revealed that 168,000 residents of Wuhan had already been infected. Allowing a few days for the testing and the preparation of the article, that suggests 168,000 infections by late December. To me, that sounds quite consistent with a late Oct/early Nov start to the outbreak.

    Of course, all the articles and papers he cites against my theory say that the virus was present in only around one or two individuals in early November, and this particular article shows that the there were only 9 people with the virus on the onset of December. So his initial bioweapon theory as stated to me is totally false and disproven. The only number of initial “seedings” done by the US government must have been minute, maybe only one or two.

    But, as that paper he cites earlier showcases, there is a 70% chance the virus dies out before starting an epidemic. So, his theory is that the US government seeded China with a bioweapon intending to destroy the country, but only infected one or two individuals with a pathogen with a 70% chance of failure. 

    That’s why I asked Ron to reveal how many people he thinks were infected, and at what time, so it becomes very easy to prove or disprove his theory. But he knows that admitting that number would make him look ridiculous, so he doesn’t do it. 

    I think even you pointed out that it would make sense for the US to have a large amount of initial infections to maximize Ro. What’s more likely, a zoonotic infection with one initial index case or a bioweapon with only one seeding? 

    That’s why, even if you believe in his timeline, I think his theory is once again disproven. Of course, if there was evidence of lots of infections in late October and early november, like 10 or 15, then it changes the situation.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @utu
  436. I’m pretty sure that for Australia 2020 and 2021 will have a lower than usual death toll

    On the face of it, this is paradoxical, but very likely true.

    I saw a whole bunch of charts showing total annual mortality by nation, and Australia’s and New Zealand’s were both actually down for 2020.

    The key revelation from this, irrespective of the puzzling collateral mortality statistics thrown into the mix (did lockdowns cause a whole bunch of deaths but also prevent a whole lot of otherwise “normal” fatalities?), is that Corona Chan the “pandemic” is a great big nothing-burger.

  437. nsa says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Australians have three very distinct advantages: island, high per capita resource ratio, relatively jew free. The lazy population is the problem. A