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There has been virtually no American media coverage of last week’s arrival of a senior Israeli delegation in Washington to discuss Iran. The delegation included the head of the Israeli external intelligence service Mossad Yossi Cohen and Israel’s National Security Advisor Meir Ben-Shabbat. Their itinerary included briefings at the Pentagon and also with national security and State Department officials at the White House. Lest there be any confusion about the “mission” of the delegation, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced unambiguously that his team would be explaining why Iran should not be trusted and that any agreement with it is “fundamentally flawed” in that it opens the door to a nuclear weapon for the Iranians when the deal enters its “sunset” phase after ten years.

Consequently, the Israelis pushed hard for maintaining U.S. non-participation in the multilateral Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) nuclear inspection program that was established in 2015 and which President Donald Trump chose to withdraw from. The secondary message from Jerusalem was that U.S. “extreme pressure” sanctions should remain in place and should, if anything, be made even more punitive. The Israeli team produced “intelligence” to help make their case, but those of us experienced in the information provided by America’s “best friend” and “closest ally” Israel would probably agree that it tends to be highly politicized and often lacking any credible sourcing. In short, it is frequently little more that fabricated material that is only intended to influence gullible U.S. government officials.

The Israeli media has, unlike the U.S. media, closely followed the pushback against President Joe Biden’s apparent willingness to do what it takes to bring about re-entry into the non-proliferation arrangement, which is in the interest of the United States, Iran, and even Israel. Biden is reportedly now willing to cancel sanctions against the petroleum and banking sectors , which Iran has cited as a precondition for moving talks currently taking place in Austria forward. Nevertheless, there are certainly a number of high officials in Washington that favor retaining a hardline versus Iran along the lines the Israel is demanding in the belief that the pressure will make Iran concede on all points. They include the three most senior relevant officials at the State Department, all of whom are Jewish and Zionists, as well as many other appointees at the Pentagon and National Security Council.

To return to JCPOA, some in both Washington and Jerusalem are demanding that Iran also make additional concessions that go beyond the nuclear program, to include abandoning its ballistic missile program and ceasing its “interference” and alleged “terrorist support” outside its borders in the Middle East. Those demands are deal breakers for Iran and the intent is clearly maintain a high level of aggression directed against the Islamic Republic while also labeling the country as a “pariah.”

Former senior Israeli diplomat Dore Gold also has come out with another Israeli argument that is being replayed by its supporters in the U.S.: “…there is a real dilemma, because if you remove sanctions there is a huge windfall of funds that becomes available for terrorist activities in the Middle East and around the world.” Of course, the money belongs to Iran, having been frozen by the U.S., and how one defines terrorist is dependent on whom one is seeking to defame. Gold clearly has no problem with Israeli support of ISIS and al-Qaeda linked groups, and he is referring, of course, to Hezbollah, which successfully resisted the Israeli occupation of south Lebanon and which much of the world currently regards as a legitimate party of government.

There is also something of a secret, undeclared war going on between Iran and Israel on the high seas, where drone and limpet mining attacks on tankers and merchant vessels have been increasing. Israel also has been bombing alleged Iranian targets in Syria on a regular basis. Some high-level attacks, including a possible bombing at the Iranian nuclear research center at Natanz and the assassination of scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, both accomplished possibly with the assistance of the U.S., are designed to make it more difficult to resurrect the JCPOA. Last week also saw a claim by pundits hostile to Iran and apparently also to former Secretary of State John Kerry, that Kerry had provided top secret information to Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. Kerry allegedly revealed to the Iranian that Israel had attacked targets in Syria over two hundred times. As it turned out, the Israeli Defense Ministry had already publicly revealed that fact while boasting about all it is doing against the enemy Iran.

The danger is, of course, that Israel is working hard to suck the United States into a war of its own choosing against Iran and it has a fifth column of allies in the United States that are willing to do its bidding by fair means or foul. Its leadership may be thinking that it is now or never to take the steps to initiate an armed conflict and that just might mean staging a false flag attack on a U.S. merchant or war ship, a diplomatic mission, or a vulnerable military base. The Middle East region is certainly a target-rich environment for those seeking to identify American facilities and vessels, so it wouldn’t be that hard to set up something that could appear to be an Iranian act of aggression that Joe Biden would have to respond to. And he would find plenty of support both in Congress and in the media to do so. Even if the American counter-attack were strictly limited, the prime beneficiary would of course be Israel, which would have made the possibility of any U.S.-Iranian agreement go away forever.

As is frequently the case when Washington gets entangled with Israel’s perceived interests, this would not be good for the United States and would keep the American forces locked into the Middle East region for many years to come. The question becomes, if Netanyahu pulls a trick and everyone knows or at least suspects that it is fraudulent, will Biden under pressure from the powerful Israel Lobby in the U.S. take the bait? It will be a true test of whether any president will be able to stand up to the Israelis and tell that country “hell no!” It hasn’t happened yet, but hope springs eternal.

Philip Giraldi, Ph.D. is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. To return to JCPOA, some in both Washington and Jerusalem are demanding that Iran also make additional concessions that go beyond the nuclear program, to include abandoning its ballistic missile program

    Notably, this is a year old now –

    Iran will soon develop hypersonic missiles: commander

    https://geopolitics.news/south-asia/iran-will-soon-develop-hypersonic-missiles-commander/

    This is some variety of scramjet that if adapted surface to air would effectively shut down air access, so it makes me suspect that the desire to include missile development may be even more of an immediate priority than the JCPOA nuke site inspections.

    Based on the targeting accuracy of the Iranian volley against US bases in Iraq, there seems to be little reason to suspect that they will not bring this into production. I see no real meaningful pressure that can be brought to bear, since missile development was not in the original agreement, and the Iranians have enough backing from China that no one can really starve them of income at this point.

  2. Notsofast says:

    don’t know if israel is still so willing to bomb, bomb, bomb… bomb, bomb iran as our favorite songbird once crooned. the failure of their iron dome and patriot missile batteries against an “errant s300” has put a lump in their collective throat. their threats and posturing is designed to influence our government not irans and is nothing but an empty bluff.

  3. gatobart says:

    Napoleon Bonaparte said it best: to wage war you need three things: money, money and money. If we trust good ol’ Napolon knew what was he talking about, we may be sure there won’t be any big war in the ME, not even (or rather even less) one between Israel and Iran. As the author rightly points out, the Israelis are desperately trying to drag the U.S. into a conflict of their own against Iran and, so the powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington, but when all is said and done they cannot simply ignore the fact that “America” is broke, that by 2021 they wouldn’t even be able to invade Granada like they did in 1983 and that the time is past for showing off big time like they did so frequently during the golden years of their empire. Tel Aviv knows that only too well, there their own desperation for getting things moving in their direction. But they won’t be successful, is my prediction, Napoleon was right, you can’t possibly start a war or enter in one already started if you don’t have the money to pay for it. And the U.S. doesn’t have it, period. They could of course drop a few bombs here and there but that will be it

  4. Franz says:

    …will Biden under pressure from the powerful Israel Lobby in the U.S. take the bait?

    In absence of a powerful American lobby in the USA, yes.

    • Replies: @moi
    , @whattheduck
  5. With the Biden cabinet caving under the weight of gross over representation by Zionist Jews with loyalty to Israel, even as one dare hope for the best, it’s best to expect the worst. Biden having declared himself a Zionist, he will likely allow his adopted tribe a free hand in policies towards Iran. After all, it is to them that our sovereignty really belongs.

  6. @Notsofast

    As the Commander of the IRGC put it succinctly “A first blow to Israel can also be the last”

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/05/05/652025/Iran-IRGC-Israel-vulnerability-United-States-region

    If Iran is attacked, israel’s best due date will 24 hors tops

  7. Some disagree — but the “Iran nuclear threat” is just so much utterly contrived nonsense. Not even US intelligence agencies believe it.
    But it does so make a real nice stick to bash Iran with.
    As to this —
    “The Middle East region is certainly a target-rich environment for those seeking to identify American facilities and vessels, so it wouldn’t be that hard to set up something that could appear to be an Iranian act of aggression”
    Of course Israel is much more sophisticated now… Proxies, black teams etc. But shouldn’t this “set up” remind us of one of the most foul events…. in history? I refer, naturally, to 1967 & the USS Liberty. Would Israel (& the Biden regime) go there again?
    Perhaps not — but rest assured, morality would NOT part of the decision process.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @robert scheetz
  8. In your third paragraph you say,”a number of high officials
    in Washington”.How do you know that they aren’t alcoholic
    drunks?Seems more likely,but nowadays, all we know is that
    the mean I Q is rapidly plummeting in America,and more
    and more women and minorities are being promoted.
    It almost seems like an agenda of war,don’t YOU think?

    • Agree: Realist
  9. Given Israel’s and Jews’ history I would accept their expressions of fear of Iran as genuine. (Didn’t Pakistan turn up with nukes unforeseen? ) So intelligence my exaggerate to outsiders.

    The hypersonic weapons may be bad news anyway but I have never heard a coherent answer to my proposition that the US could simply say that if Iran proved, admitted or claimed that it had even one nuclear weapon the US would destroy whatever had to be destroyed to ensure that there would be no more and the existing ones were destroyed.

    How would this threat/promise be brought into effective influence? A UN resolution might be attempted but maybe vetoed or voted down. So maybe a condition of any new agreement with Iran would have to include Iran’s acknowledging that it had been warned of the consequences of developing nuclear weapons.

  10. GI Joe going for the powder keg
    Swiss diplomat dies in “explosion” in high rise in Iran:

    https://iranintl.com/en/world/questions-emerge-swiss-diplomat’s-death-iran

    story picked up by Sorcha Faal who also notes that US seeking to make $ on weapons sales …etc…in what looks like problem reaction solution as dollar hegemony collapses, etc…

    https://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index3559.htm

  11. Alfred says:

    The Israelis are quite desperate to stop these talks from releasing Iranian funds and the ending of sanctions. They don’t care about Iran allegedly developing a nuclear weapon – which was always a pretext for sanctions. Iran does not need nuclear weapons to make Israel uninhabitable. Conventional rocketry plus ground forces would put Israel out of business.

    Clearly, the assassination of this Swiss woman is merely a tactic for delaying negotiations. It is a failure by Iran to protect this woman. There will be repercussions inside Iran.

    The Iranian ILNA news agency said she lived on the 18th floor of a building in the north of the capital city. She was 52 years old and the second-highest ranking employee at the Swiss embassy in Iran, according to the news agency.

    When contacted by SWI swissinfo.ch, the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs (FDFA) confirmed the reports of the woman’s death.

    Senior Swiss embassy official in Iran dies in high-rise fall

    Earlier this year, the Chinese ambassador to Israel was killed. The precise details were not revealed. I suspect there was a dispute within Israel as to the wisdom of switching alliances to China. This murder was intended to prevent progress in that direction. Obvious.

    Chinese ambassador to Israel found dead in Tel Aviv home

    • Replies: @Lee
    , @Commentator Mike
  12. The only shithole that needs some good old bombing and a generous spray of white phosphorous is the (((Third Temple))).

  13. The next war will either be against Iran or China.

    China is the more logical choice because its fast replacing the US as the global hegemon and the US has a limited window of opportunity before military victory against China becomes impossible. But the Iranian target is influenced by the third and most important rail of American politics: Judaism.

    Iran is truly Israel’s last real enemy in the middl east. All resistance to it comes from Tehran. Be it Assad in Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Shias in Iraq or the Houthis in Yemen, all resistance to the Judeo-Ameircan axis is backed up by Iranian soldiers, money and arms.

    Saddam has been toppled and Iraq is a wasteland plauged by permanent civil wars. Syria has been destroyed and depopulated by 10 years of civil war. Gaddafi is dead and Libya is split in two warring factions.

    Lebanon has also been fractured by civil war and sectarianism. Iran is the last major country in the middle east that’s a real threat to Israel.

    Sure there’s Turkey and Egypt. But Turkey is a member of NATO and Erdogan is rumored to be a Donmeh Jew. Note how Israel and Turkey are always on the same side of every war in the middle east, be it supporting ISIS in Syira, supporting American puppets in Libya or supporting Aliyev against Armenia in the Caucasus.

    Plus the Turkish elite are thoroughly westernized and suck up to America. Egypt is less of a clear case but the Egyptian dictator was originally on friendly terms with the US and his coup against the Muslim brotherhood was supported by Washington. But recently he’s bought military hardware from Russia and has veered on the Russian side in Libya.

    The Egyptians are also the main rival to America’s favored dog in the middle east: Turkey.

    So far DC has bribed the Egyptians to stay away from Israel and it seems to have wokred. Egypt for its part doesn’t seem to have much of an interest in liberating Palestine or fighting with Israel. Its focus seems to be more on dominating North Africa.

    Time will tell though. One has to wonder if Zionism will tolerate a major non Jewish power on its doorstep. The whole reason for all the coups and wars in Arab countries was to ensure there was no single state strong enough to fight Israel.

    That’s why Syria, Libya and Iraq had to be ruined.

    But I digress, the point is that Iran is the last and deadlies enemy of Israel. And time is running out on the American empire. The collapse of the dollar as world reserve currency is imminent and when that happens, the US military will contract like the Soviet military in the 90s and America itself will cease to be the world power anymore.

    Time is short and Israel still has one great enemy left. Perhaps Tel Aviv will give the order to Biden’s handler, most likely blinken and deploy the US military against Tehran.

    The American empire will go down with one last hurrah as it bombs Iran to the ground while Iranian missile strikes on Saudi oil and submarine blockade of the straits of Hormuz destroy the global economy.

    Who knows, perhaps the 2022 homosexual crusade to Tehran will be the Syracuse campaign for the American Empire

  14. Everyone has a boss.

    Hope it went well with the Pentagon’s bosses.

  15. cohen says:

    Israel knows what would happen if it has a direct confrontation with Iran. The paper tiger has learned its lesson in Lebanon in 2006 against Hazbullah who despite it low tech equipment humiliated the great bully. One of my Lebanese work colleague told how a team of father and son developed and an underground mechanical system equipped with heavy machine guns. The system disguised as bushes and vegetation and could be mechanically raised. The father and son team trapped the bullies and took care of the them before the super race army realized what was going on.

    We dont hear any Israeli ground invasion anymore. A burnt child dreads of the fire.
    Iranians are not afraid to die for their country while the Israeli wants Americans to do the fighting for them.

    Israeli way of war: Pollard, Schmer, Rahm Emenuel, Diane Feinstein and State/Treasury Department and the rest of Zionist (Christians and Jews), media, Hollywood and above all Blackmail. The following was obtained through FOI in 2012

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/old-government-training-on-how-to-deal-with-suspected-spies-like-israeli-jonathan-pollard/

    • Agree: moi, Ace
    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  16. Z-man says:

    I read this story below and immediately thought False Flag:
    https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2021/05/05/iraq-IGreport-F16/8991620237627/
    In it it claims Iranian backed militants (militias) are attacking an Iraqi Air Force base housing American supplied F 16’s. It’s an obvious false flag for future sabotage of the F 16’s by the Zionist Entity. What the Zionists fear more than anything is getting into a fair fight.

  17. anon[504] • Disclaimer says:

    …..undeclared naval engagements, between Israel and Iran. This is reminiscent of Roosevelts navy and German shipping before WW2.
    Armageddon seems unavoidable to me these days.

  18. Critic says:

    Mr Giraldi never fails to shed light on the hopelessness that dwells in the US. His faint voice, buried under the mountains of glaring realities, serves as a warning. But like a black box discovered after a crash, a warning too late and too little. If what he says is right, the battle for America is over. The state has been surrendered to the foreign forces. He warns that the president, VP, congress, media, companies, money, and academia are all taken over. If so, then what’s left? Nothing. If true, America is no longer a sovereign state. In that case the victorious yields power over the dominion and therefore has the legitimate right to use all available resources to pursue its goals. After all this is what Britain did with India during the WW2. As such, going to war to serve the interests of a foreign master is perfectly legitimate if one accepts that substantially the entire country has already been taken over.
    However if what he says is only his imagination, then the rendition is heartfelt but fictional. In that case going to war would represent genuine and legitimate American interests.
    Therefore, in both cases, the war scenario is legitimate – even if not in accordance with the higher standards of ethics or justice.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Realist
  19. @Wizard of Oz

    Please explain why the US and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons and Iran should be denied access to them? Where is the logic that allows Israel to have nukes and not be a signatory to international nuclear agreements while Iran is a signatory and is denied nukes?

    The Iranians have declared they don’t want nukes but do want nuclear power. Why is it that they should be denied the right every other country has?

    Any reasonable person looking at the activities in the middle east should conclude that the aggressors in that area are clearly the US and Israel.

  20. jsinton says:

    The Beast is us and we are all the Beast.

  21. Tom Welsh says:
    @Caspar von Everec

    The next major war the USA wages is likely to be against Russia, China and Iran – and possibly some others.

    Those nations have learned their lesson, and understand that they must hang together or they will hang separately.

    Even if the USA tries to start small by attacking Iran, I think that China and Russia will stand behind Iran, supply it with whatever it needs, and if Iran looks like being defeated, intervene.

    • Agree: Montefrío
  22. moi says:
    @Franz

    Don’t understand why Israel bothers to send top officials to the US when it’s already got a Jewish fifth column in the US Government (e.g. Blinken, Klaid, Schumer, etc. etc. )

  23. @RoatanBill

    I don’t know why you think such simple logic is applicable. The fact is that there has long been a worldwide push to prevent more countries getting nuclear weapons, for good reason. ThecUS was originally against Israel having nuclear weapons and even now it is just an open secret that they have them.At least Israel and the US have a record of not using nukes, or even threatening to do so for over 60 years. Given the vitriolic rhetoric spewed out by Iranian theocratic leaders and the cultural implications of their religious teachings it is reasonable to regard a nuclear armed Iran as a not negligble threat to Israel. Perhaps unlikely that Iran would start with nukes on hypersonic missiles but it would mean that Iran could be much more aggressive in its use of non nuclear forces. My prescription is for Palestinians to be given Israeli citizenship but that there should be a powerful Upper House of the Knesset for which only people who have been net tax payers for 15 years could vote. Problems there postponed for at least 100 years.

  24. moi says:
    @RoatanBill

    Oh, that’s easy: US is the Exceptional nation, and Israel is the land of the Chosen.

    PS: and both are evil.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  25. Good on you Phil Giraldi.

    I’ve been following your output for a number of years and greatly appreciate your unrelenting focus on exposing the malfeasance of the Apartheid Israeli state and the Israel lobby – and the concomitant effect they’re having on the destabilisation of the planet.

    The good work you do is noticed from far afield (I’m in Australia – where you have quite a following).

    • Agree: Ace, HVM
    • Replies: @DaveE
  26. @Wizard of Oz

    How about the rest of the world unite and nuke every inch of muttmerica, anglo monkey island, (((Five Eyes))) and Pissrael instead?

    The filth and lies that can come from an amerimutt, I swear.

  27. Lee says:
    @Alfred

    Alf said:

    Earlier this year, the Chinese ambassador to Israel was killed. The precise details were not revealed. I suspect there was a dispute within Israel as to the wisdom of switching alliances to China. This murder was intended to prevent progress in that direction. Obvious.

    As reported by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Mr Wei died from health reasons —not murdered as you suggest.Obvious.

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-17/Chinese-ambassador-to-Israel-dies-in-Tel-Aviv-QzH7Az4QHS/index.html

    • Troll: DaveE
    • Replies: @Alfred
  28. @Wizard of Oz

    Nukes are what Iran desperately needs to fend off the rabid Israelis and US, IMO.

    The Iranians have stated on numerous occasions that they don’t want nukes, but do want nuclear energy and nuclear tech for medical and other purposes.

    Nukes are what keep the US and Russia / China from any serious engagement. Nukes are what keeps India and Pakistan from actual war. Nukes are what keeps the loonie in North Korea from being run over.

    Nukes are the ultimate don’t fuck with me. Iran needs nukes and a delivery system as a deterrent to keep their enemies at bay.

    You mention the vitriolic rhetoric spewed out by Iranian theocratic leaders. How about the bombing and murders Israel has done against Iran on Iranian soil. What actual damage has Iran done to Israel? Do words from Iran trump the actual deeds performed by Israel? Are words of more consequence than the actual damage done to the Iranian people by US sanctions?

    The propaganda has apparently worked in your case.

    • Agree: HdC, Alfred
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Bill Jones
  29. @gatobart

    When the Anglo/Zionists were preparing for WW1, one of the things that they accomplished was to establish the Fed and the income tax to finance that war and the forever wars after that.

    Netanyahu sums up their thinking like this: “If we get caught, they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So, it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God, and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

    • Agree: Robert Bruce
    • Thanks: DaveE
  30. @moi

    Here is a more complete list:

  31. Realist says:

    The question becomes, if Netanyahu pulls a trick and everyone knows or at least suspects that it is fraudulent, will Biden under pressure from the powerful Israel Lobby in the U.S. take the bait?

    Is this a trick question?
    Is this supposed to be funny?

    Biden was born a goddamn idiot and is now brain-dead. He will stammer, slur his words and piss his pants.

    It will be a true test of whether any president will be able to stand up to the Israelis and tell that country “hell no!” It hasn’t happened yet, but hope springs eternal.

    The POTUS is a titular position and has been for decades…there is no hope for the electoral process. We live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

  32. @Ultrafart the Brave

    My sentiments exactly. That treachery was proof positive that Israel wasn’t, isn’t or will be a “trusted ally”. They have made their collective bed and now must be left to lie in it, although unless and until there is a genuine popular will to exit stage right, the bought USA politicians will continue to act as the upstairs maid placing the bon-bon on the pillow.

  33. @Franz

    I’m still flabbergasted that this question comes up. Doesn’t need to be said much –

    • Agree: Franz
  34. geokat62 says:
    @Critic

    In that case going to war would represent genuine and legitimate American interests.

    Could you do us all a favour and articulate what the “genuine and legitimate” US interests might be for waging war on Iran? While you’re at it, could also do the same for Iraq, Libya and Syria?

    I’ll save you the trouble. Two distinguished professors from two prestigious universities wrote a book, a big book, documenting the case that going to war with Iraq was NOT in the nation’s interests. The book is The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

    • Replies: @Critic
  35. BL says:

    It’s telling that even the most fervent American proponents of the JCPOA no longer make an affirmative case in any specificity for the US returning to the agreement.

    Publicly it’s channeled into symbolism akin to face coverings for the Covid.

    If you want to understand why Trump had to go, just observe that we’re back to ignoring any serious discussion of the US national interest in upending the Trump created status quo. To be clear, desiring to reverse what was done Because Trump doesn’t qualify.

    Why must the US be the suckers while every other relevant power, including Iran, Israel, the EU, China, Russia, and Turkey, pursue their short, medium and long-term geopolitical and geo-economic objectives, all in quiet agreement that they’re competing for their share of the short end of the stick the US is getting.

    I can’t be the only one to have noticed the dire pattern. The establishment parties (pre-Trump) shout about how it’s a unipolar world with the US pulling the strings, while driving Russia into a strategic alliance with China — a geopolitical no-no even to middle-schoolers.

    Indeed, Obama and the Democrats insisted we were so exceptional we no longer negotiated a rapprochement. Is terrible, awful Israel responsible for plane-loads of cash and the Iran seizing American Navy personnel to humiliate the US?

    The cruel joke is that the powers that be always blame the American people when they abandon the national interest. Did they block putting a period on hostilities with Germany and Japan after WWII? How about when Nixon opened China?

    What Americans have a natural and wholly warranted aversion to is the USG going hat in hand to Iran or any other power. Vietnam won and we lost. Even though it suffered terribly it shook it off in its national interest.

    How ironic that it was the Obama admin/Iran tag-team against Libya, making it the dirty-dog for Lockerbie, that eliminated the possibility of any genuine rapprochement. File it under the whole lot of them get what they deserve.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  36. Realist says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The fact is that there has long been a worldwide push to prevent more countries getting nuclear weapons, for good reason.

    The fact is that there has long been a worldwide push to prevent more countries from getting nuclear weapons, for hegemonic reasons.

    FIFY

    The push was not worldwide…just the countries that already had them.

    ThecUS was originally against Israel having nuclear weapons and even now it is just an open secret that they have them.

    They were against it before they were for it. The U.S. made it possible.

    At least Israel and the US have a record of not using nukes, or even threatening to do so for over 60 years.

    The U. S. is the only country that has used nukes. The U. S. quit using nukes when other countries developed them. Having nukes means you don’t have to threaten to use them.

    Given the vitriolic rhetoric spewed out by Iranian theocratic leaders and the cultural implications of their religious teachings it is reasonable to regard a nuclear armed Iran as a not negligble threat to Israel.

    Israel needs more non-negligible threats. The U. S. should not be protecting Israel, it is of no value to us.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  37. Iris says:
    @animalogic

    Some disagree — but the “Iran nuclear threat” is just so much utterly contrived nonsense. Not even US intelligence agencies believe it.

    Exactly so. What Israel is really scared of is Iran’s superior and ever-improving ballistic weaponry, its missiles and swarm drones, which it has furthermore shared with its regional allies.

    Israel’s position is very precarious in the current configuration: even if it joined the JCPOA, it wouldn’t have arguments to force Iran into renouncing its ballistic program, because it is defensive in essence.

    For a raving psychopath such as Netanyahu, the only option is pre-emptive war against Iran.

  38. The next war increasingly looks like it will be domestic. The BLM and LBwhatever loyal military will be rounding up wrong thinking Americans to kill and torture them. All foreign intervention is now about making money by stealing resources. Also who needs to do a war when you have looming food shortages, a endless waves of a plandemic, and a world bank?

    • Replies: @Anon
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  40. Realist says:
    @Critic

    He warns that the president, VP, congress, media, companies, money, and academia are all taken over. If so, then what’s left? Nothing. If true, America is no longer a sovereign state.

    This has been the case for decades…we now live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

  41. GMC says:
    @Caspar von Everec

    Good post – I think that the Domestic America is totally divorced from the NWO Foreign policies and therefore the Domestic US can fail miserably , but won’t affect the Foreign one. Only in the lies of the media. I say this because the NWO Crime Syndicate is made up of International Bankers, Corporations, Zionist agencies and these are not just American based. Hell, these guys make, what some believe to be 500+ billion a year on dope from Colombia and Afghanistan alone, not to overlook the Weapons running, oil, gaz, rare earth minerals etc. etc. etc. – theft. If the Americans were to wake up and rout Washington – it would help immensely but what are Las Vegas odds on that. Nope , this International Crime syndicate is Huge – just not Domestic USA or EU. However, Russia and China could help corall the Foreign Crime Syndicate that plagues the world. Thanks.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  42. anon[417] • Disclaimer says:

    Possibly? Fakhrizadeh’s death squad clearly fits the DO cookie-cutter. We see perfect continuity of CIA’s Phoenix/Condor template worldwide. Including Florida. Ibragim Todashev.

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/04/29/latest-bizarre-chapter-of-war-on-drugs-u-s-special-forces-train-drug-cartel-enforcers-linked-to-rape-torture-and-decapitation-of-victims/

    There is an exact, uncanny similarity between the Dos Erres atrocities and those in Sierra Leone. Perps for the former were the Kaibiles, trained at the School of the the Americas, oops, excuse me, that got permanently shut down for two days I mean WHINSEC. Perp for the latter was Charles Taylor, who miraculously escaped jail in Massachusetts, going on the lam with US government chauffeurs after getting walked over to minimum security. You used Izzie cutouts for that too.

    CIA’s institutional DNA is swinging children like clubs to crush their skulls against trees and walls, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, rape and murder by blunt force trauma e.g. hammers. And it’s spooged all over the plus-size blue dress, so cut the shit.

    When you root out and try the DO psychos, the grabass will stop.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  43. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    At least Israel and the US have a record of not using nukes, or even threatening to do so for over 60 years.

    This is not true: nuclear weapons were used on 9/11 at the WTC, against American civilians, in a false flag attack which appears to have been almost entirely masterminded and executed by Israelis.

    In 2003, a breakthrough scientific discovery was made, allowing to initiate nuclear fusion reactions thanks to magnetohydrodynamic plasma reactions, without signature radioactive by-products being generated in the process. It triggered an overhaul of the US nuclear arsenal.

    It is an open secret that this discovery has lead to the development of radiation-free, scalable-yield, undetectable thermonuclear weapons.
    Such weapons are reputed to have been used in a number of war fronts, including Yemen.

    One was definitely used for the bombing of the Beirut harbour in August 2020. Lebanon is far more important to Israel than it is to the US, and the bombing lead to Lebanon renouncing some of its long-standing claims over a disputed giant offshore gas field. It is therefore most likely Israel who carried the nuclear bombing of Beirut.

    This information is not in the public domain yet, but others, especially the Russians, are far advanced in the field of “clean” (radiation-free) fusion thermonuclear weapons; they know what really happened. The truth will come out in a few years.

  44. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    WHY and by WHOM an American President was MURDERED
    “We are concerned with the disturbing effects on world stability which would accompany the development of nuclear weapons capability by Israel. I cannot imagine that the Arabs would refrain from turning to the Soviet Union for assistance if Israel were to develop nuclear weapons capability–with all the consequences this would hold. But the problem is much larger than its impact on the Middle East. Development of nuclear weapons capability by Israel would almost certainly lead other larger countries, that have so far refrained from such development, to feel that they must follow suit”- John F. Kennedy.
    ———
    under the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Appropriations Act and the Glenn Act, it is illegal for the US Government to send our tax money to any nation in possession of nuclear weapons technology that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow IAEA inspections.
    Symington Amendment: Since 1976, every single penny of “aid” to Israel money has been illegal; a crime committed by the US Government against the American people. all that money the US sends to Israel is a CRIME AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
    ——-
    The World should insist Israel live by the standards Israel demands of others. Be judged as Ye judge others. If Israel wants to be recognized, Israel must recognize the EQUALITY and HUMANITY of ALL People. Quit calling NON-Jews SHISKA, GOYIM, GENTILE. If Israel wants Hamas to ‘repudiate’ their charter, Israel must REPUDIATE their manual of hate, the TORAH, which openly proclaims that all ‘gentiles’ should be ‘Hewers of wood, and bearers of water’ …….. for Israel.
    Israel must recognize the Native People’s RIGHT to a Palestinian state.
    Israel REFUSES to sign the Non Proliferation Treaty or open It’s NUKES to inspection, Israel should have the exact same sanctions that were put on Iran

    • Agree: HdC
  45. GMC says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel and the US use mini nukes every year on countries , you just don’t get to see the blasts on the news. Beirut harbor was the last one they used one one. Look for the big hole and look at how much bedrock is destroyed – fertilizer bombs can’t do that . Another thing comes to mind – the terrorist Sampson Option. Thanks.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @GMC
    , @Lee
  46. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    BLMantifa to be deputized as “Social Justice Police” …. trained & armed by the Gov.
    And the Game is on.
    Study the HOLODOMOR …. this will be Holocaust of White Christians.
    All Human Rights stem from Christian roots of slavery, poor, and downtrodden. Therefore Christianity must be smashed.

  47. @Caspar von Everec

    Erdogan is rumored to be a Donmeh Jew.

    Interesting question, but I think not. Ataturk was most likely Donmeh, as are the House of Saud. Ataturk managed to secularize (de-Islamize) Turkey, while Erdogan has reversed that. Turkey was also on fast track for EU membership until he came along. Now not so much.

    It’s likely the Donmeh offered the Kurds an independent country in exchange for their assistance in the Armenian genocide, and the Kurds seem to be the main faction doing Israeli bidding in the current conflict. Erdogan is definitely opposed to their aspirations.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i/
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/26/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-ii/

    • Agree: Thim, Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  48. @Realist

    Well Ron Unz has said that Israel has value as a good place for the mad Jews to go. That aside I think you are wrong about the US having made Israel’s nuclear weapons development possible. At least one of the reasons I have been reluctant to regard JFK’s attitude to Dimona as a reason for his assassination is that I understood Israel got its nuclear know how from France.

  49. @Justrambling

    Biden has been wrong on almost everything since his party stole the presidency for him, but I support his efforts to return to the JCPOA. My thoughts are that Obama gives old White Joe his marching orders, and he is still smarting because Trump, in a monumentally disastrous childish tirade, eliminated his one and only foreign policy achievement. John Kerry, who, as SOS in Obama’s second term,, did much of the legwork in accomplishing this Iran “deal,” must feel the same way, and he has Biden’s ear as well.

    We would not be in the mess we are today if Trump hadn’t done the bidding of Bibi and billionaire Jewish donors like the recently dearly departed Zionist scumbag Sheldon Adelson. Perhaps even some rabid Zionists in the Biden Admin. realize that starting a war with Iran (which could become a world war) is not in the best interests of Israel.

  50. @RoatanBill

    I don’t know how much of the fear I imagine in Israel of what the Ayatollahs might do is generated by dishonest hype from cynical shysters like Netanyahu but I don’t think you should disregard the traumatic shock to Jews that 1033 to 1945 produced just when many had begun to think of themselves as assimilated or as Christians (but “half Jews”) after which they remembered their awful history and regarded Israel as necessary. Unfortunately what the Ayatollahs say can be held up for comparison with what Hitler and other Nazis were saying – and writing in printed books and newspapers- about Jews in the 1920s and 30s.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @HdC
  51. @GMC

    Do you have any serious evidence for what you say about the US and Israel using “mini nukes every year”. Why do you think the Russuan and Chinese press don’t write about it?

  52. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    to influence gullible U.S. government officials.

    It’s not about being gullible — and you know it.

  53. TGD says:

    As of this writing, it looks like Benjamin Netanyahu is out as prime minister. The next Israel PM will be either Naftali Bennett or Yair Lapid. It remains to be seen if the new government will continue prodding the USA and Biden into a hot war with Iran.

  54. Well?
    There will be no more war in Middle East.There will be perpetual harassment only. Event that will end eventually when China will assume the rule of the word. (With Russia which will serve to China as Enforcer.)
    Future things to come!!!!

  55. Iran is like a girl who has moved on, and Israel is like the abusive, attention-seeking doofus who can’t stop trying to start something.

    Iran is looking towards Eurasia and the belt and road. It’s time for the Chinese missile cruiser fleet to make an extended stay at an Iranian port.

  56. @Wizard of Oz

    Everyone has the right to protect themselves. No one has the right to initiate aggression against another for some fear they may have. The territory Israel occupies is as a receipt of stolen property thanks to the Brits. Israel has no logical right to exist as a state because it stole the land via terror tactics initiated by the Zionist Haganah and Irgun terrorists. The legal principle of fruit from the poisoned tree should apply, but apparently doesn’t.

    Israel claims they are protecting themselves – by invading their neighbors? Only an imbecile would fall for that outright lie. The Israelis are an aggressive bunch of murdering swine much like the US oligarchy. They want lebensraum, water, energy and whatever else their neighbors might have and will use deadly force to acquire them. That’s the be all and end all of the entire Israeli motivation for their actions. Any antisemitism, reference to the holocaust and other propaganda is cover for their nefarious deeds.

    The jews have been persecuted for centuries but for cause. As a people their ridiculous religion allows them to treat non jews with disdain. Their religious inheritance is forever the source of their difficulties as their attitude just pisses off anyone they come in contact with. What the jews are currently doing in the US with their control of all the levers of power may just blow up in their faces and there may be another purge of the jews coming because whatever they get it’s never enough. Keep pushing and eventually push back happens.

  57. lysias says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel got a lot of its nuclear know how from France UNTIL De Gaulle ended France’s nuclear cooperation with Israel. In the 1960s.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  58. DaveE says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I AGREE….. in strongest possible terms!

    Mr Giraldi has been a miracle-worker, Godsend and 20 other terms (I won’t use “messiah” for obvious reasons!) in exposing the diabolical filth we’re dealing with.

    THANK YOU once again, Mr. Giraldi, for yet another hard-hitting TRUTH segment. God Bless You, sir.

  59. Mefobills says:

    Giraldi says this:

    To return to JCPOA, some in both Washington and Jerusalem are demanding that Iran also make additional concessions that go beyond the nuclear program, to include abandoning its ballistic missile program and ceasing its “interference” and alleged “terrorist support” outside its borders in the Middle East. Those demands are deal breakers for Iran and the intent is clearly maintain a high level of aggression directed against the Islamic Republic while also labeling the country as a “pariah.”

    The U.S. offers an alternative to the industrial capitalism of China’s silk road, and now partners Iran and Russia. The alternative is Takfiri Islam as a mercenary army, a foreign legion of terrorists inserted into your country. Other tactics include color revolution to destabilize governments. The foreign legion of takfiri terrorists have salaries and weapons paid for with recycled petrodollars out of Saudi or Qatar. So, it is projection on the part of our (((friends))) to be up in arms about Iran’s supposed terrorists, when terrorism is a major foreign policy tool of Zion.

    There is almost no daylight between finance capitalism and Zion and takfiri armies. When Obama returned Iran’s confiscated dollars and entered into JCPOA agreement in 2015, that was his one achievement in his entire presidency. This was the one time Obama became a proud and independent negro, and went against his (((handlers))) and Netanyahu.

    April 10, 2018 was Netanyahu’s disgraceful speech before Congress, where Congress Critters exposed themselves as lackeys for Zion and Zion’s finance capital donor class. Netanyahu was dissing Obama and showing his power and control over the bought and paid-for Congress.

    Joe Biden’s apparent willingness to do what it takes to bring about re-entry into the non-proliferation arrangement, which is in the interest of the United States, Iran, and even Israel. Biden is reportedly now willing to cancel sanctions against the petroleum and banking sectors , which Iran has cited as a precondition for moving talks currently taking place in Austria forward. Nevertheless, there are certainly a number of high officials in Washington that favor retaining a hardline versus Iran along the lines the Israel is demanding

    Biden’s willingness is a function of how much Obama is maneuvering in the background through his proxies in the Biden administration.

    Sanctions on Iran’s banking and petroleum sectors are to force Iran into economic dollar zones. Iran can now choose to sell oil to China, and buy Chinese goods with Yuans instead of dollars.

    Zion’s big fear is that Iran is going to nuke up their missile fleet, and hence Zions project in the middle east is over – that Greater Israel is a pipe dream invented by flawed men, and not god.

    Jewish false Talmudic religion, Jewish false god, and their false speculative economy type, is being exposed in no small part due to Iran’s unwillingness to become a subordinate part of globo-homo.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  60. HdC says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Judea declares war on Germany” screamed international headlines in 1933. Then Britain and France declared war on Germany. Between 1918 and 1939 France invaded parts of Germany twice.

    And Germany is the bad guy?

    Read The Transfer Agreement. Zionists wanted their own manure pile to rule. Germany helped to train would-be emigres how to farm so they wouldn’t starve in their new paradise.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  61. Realist says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    That aside I think you are wrong about the US having made Israel’s nuclear weapons development possible.

    Yes, we disagree.

  62. Rich says:

    The US could do serious damage to Iran with naval and airpower alone. Iran could do little in return. A land invasion by the US would be bloody and a mess and probably wouldn’t happen. A brief but serious bombing campaign is probably all Israel wants. The only reason I can see for American hesitancy is the damage to the world economy once Iran shut down all traffic through the Strait. Trump, who was so loyal to Israel he probably has honorary citizenship, refrained from attacking so there’s a question as to whether Biden would be allowed to attack. The biggest beneficiary of a US attack would be Russia who would see the price of oil skyrocket and their coffers filled to overflow with cash.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @FB
  63. GMC says:
    @GMC

    Ya man – my eyes , I know what a 500lb bomb does, a fertilizer bomb does vs. the mini nuke – the fire , the color – it’s all there . OK Duff at Veterans Today doesn’t like this Nam Vet – in fact he 86 d me , but he has some serious shit on Israel and the US using mini nukes – and his guys are pros at showing the truth. Start there – and you will learn something – it’s an easy research on Duff’s website.Russians know all about these hits but it’s Russia – they don’t squeal – they take notes – always have. Tell Duff – Hi from Crimea.

  64. @gatobart

    Napolean didn’t realise that the Rothschilds would fund both sides of his wars. Your assumption that the US doesn’t have the money is false, they have it in bundles until the people wake up.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  65. The hatred for Iran and love for the Arabs by the Jew has nothing to do with politics but love for one’s own race, i.e., the love of the semite and the deep-seated hatred of the Indo-Europeans who are superior to the desert rats!

  66. @RoatanBill

    I don’t disagree with all that but I think realism demands that one understand the post traumatic stress disorder that the madness of the Nazis racial ideas inflicted on people with absolutely no adherence to Jewish religion and, indeed a Christian parent and spouse and Christian religion. Talk about Kafkaesque!

  67. @Wizard of Oz

    The Apartheid Israeli state, aided and abetted by U.S and international Zionists, was far and away the prime mover behind the assassination of JFK.

    Yes, the Dimona issue was a major factor but JFK was also expressing solidarity with the Arabic nations in the region and was also openly belligerent towards Israel.
    The Zionists could not tolerate that and knew that their man LBJ was waiting in the wings to initiate a 180 degree reversal in U.S foreign policy immediately upon being sworn in – and LBJ did just that (with compound interest).

    Wizard, I suggest you read the benchmark in uncompromised JFK research – far and away the most outstanding thesis on who was behind his demise.
    The book I refer to is ‘Final Judgement’ by Michael Collins Piper, yours free in pdf format:

    https://wikispooks.com/w/images/f/f6/Final_Judgment.pdf

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  68. @RoatanBill

    “Where is the logic that allows Israel to have nukes and not be a signatory to international nuclear agreements while Iran is a signatory and is denied nukes? ”

    This is a matter that most people in the Western sphere see no reason to ponder upon.The outlook on Iran as the enemy and Israel as the greatest ally simply has “vaccinated” the White Christians’ brains against any reflection that could be”anti-Semitic”.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  69. Alfred says:
    @Lee

    As reported by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Mr Wei died from health reasons —not murdered as you suggest.Obvious.

    1- Do you think that it is really in the interests of China to reveal that their ambassador to Israel was murdered?

    If they did, the public in China and elsewhere would naturally expect them to retaliate. But that is a not a good idea because Israel, like all other countries, has factions with different foreign policy objectives. The Chinese are playing to those who want to dump the USA in favour of China. Doing sanctions or whatever on Israel would weaken that faction.

    2- Do you think that China has such a shortage of qualified diplomats that they would send a guy who was unhealthy to that most strategic of posts?

    Your naivety is touching. I suspect you also believe the crap the MSM puts out about 9/11, USS Liberty and all the rest of it. 🙂

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  70. @lysias

    You prompted me to search and, in the Wikipedia article on Dimona which seems pretty straight I found this which describes the effect of de Gaulle’s attempt to reduce assistance (which was two way btw):

    “Through an extended series of negotiations, Shimon Peres finally reached a compromise with Foreign Minister Maurice Couve de Murville over two years later, in which French companies would be able to continue to fulfill their contract obligations and Israel would declare the project peaceful. Due to this, French assistance did not end until 1966.”

    So it supports the view that Dimona probably wouldn’t have had anything to do with Kennedy’s murder.

  71. @HdC

    And your point? Assuming you are seeking to reply to my Cimment.

    • Replies: @HdC
  72. No war for Israel. No war for the Jewish lobby. American soldiers, don’t be dumb Goyim and die for Jewish supremacy.

  73. @cohen

    Thanks for the informative post ‘Cohen’.
    There’s a gap of five/ten years before warfare becomes remotely controlled and humans will die at home or at their army bases.Front lines and border will progressively get redundant.
    Smart drones, smart missiles, and a single infiltrator will be able to do more damage than a whole battalion.
    The Israelis know this and unless they get friendly with or obliterate Iran, they have no second option.
    The Samson option is useless due to Israel’s size.

    • Replies: @cohen
    , @cohen
  74. Agent76 says:

    Apr 28, 2021 After 20 years, the USA retreats from its failed Afghan war

    From Press TV, Chicago, 27 April 2021.

    Mar 17, 2021 Global Warfare: “We’re Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”

    Back in 2001, former General Wesley Clark described a memorandum issued by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld which outlined a plan, as General Clark described it, on “how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/ten-years-us-promotes-failed-regime-change-policy-syria/5740103

  75. 9593 says:

    It is timely to recall Charles A. Lindbergh’s 1941 speech in Des Moines, identifying the factors advocating for bringing the US into World War II:

    https://www.cfr.org/blog/twe-remembers-charles-lindberghs-des-moines-speech

    Similarly, let us review the work of the “Parushim” toward inciting the US to join World War I:

    https://ifamericansknew.org/history/parushim.html

    Quiz: What wars have been fought to benefit Israel?

    Not including Charlie Wilson’s war in Afghanistan, what were the 5 nations that must be taken down according to former General David Petraeus?

    It is interesting that a google search will not today turn up the conversation with Amy Goodman on “Democracy Now”, where General Petraeus declared the plan to destabilize those neighbors in the Middle East. Can anyone out there find it?

    • Replies: @Poco
  76. @Justrambling

    Within the Biden regime at present, do you see any inner conflict between all those Zionists in powerful positions and those who lean more hard left, who really have no love for Israel? Kamala Harris, who from outward appearances seems to be fully on board with all the hard left desires, is really an empty dress (as opposed to an empty suit). Yes, her husband is Jewish and all that, but I do not see Harris or anyone else who has any kind of real power (however fleeting) going to bat for the leftist position when it involves Israel. It would take them too far out of their comfort zone – literally. They would not want to put themselves in that position. So, in a nutshell, the supposedly hard left in government is full of crap for the most part except maybe for some bloggers who truly believe what they think and write.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  77. Zionists are warmongers as long as someone else does the fighting and dying and they have found the perfect tool to fight their wars, the zionist controlled ZUS, who has fought for zionism starting in WWI and on down through every war, they created their privately owned FED and IRS in 1913 to make sure there was money created and the IRS was there to collect on the debt, war is a zionist racket.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  78. Critic says:
    @geokat62

    That’s exactly the point. In this book authors claim the power of the lobby (the foreign master) over the US. In that case US is no longer a sovereign nation. If that was not the case then the pursuit of war would have been of legitimate US interest. However, since you and the authors claims that the war was launched under its foreign master, the war is still legitimate because the foreign master controls the US and yields power over the US. The use of the domain or the colony or the vassal state to pursue its self interest is the right of the dominion.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  79. gatobart says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    Your are wrong. You are mixing up the government of the United States, their Dept. of the Treasury, with the Federal Reserve, a cartel of private banks entitled by Congress in 19313 with creating out of thin air the dollars that would be lent at an interest to the U.S. government. The sad truth many “Americans’ ignore is that their loved US dollar doesn’t belong to them, it doesn’t even belong to their Treasury but to these private banks who actually control the US economy and finances. That is why the U.S. is sitting now in a debt hole that according to some experts may reach above the $200T mark when counting unfounded entitlements. That is why thousands of schools and hospitals have had to close all over the country and why old age pension have been cut in half in many states and also why many cities are in state or technical bankruptcy, because there is no money left. Already in 2003, to finance the Iraq invasion, Washington had to pass the hat among some of its client states, mainly Japan and the Gulf States, so they would help it pay for that war effort. (or it could have been in 1991, I don’t exactly remember, but in any case it marked the historic moment when “America” finally recognized it couldn’t pay any longer for its imperial wars by itself alone).

    And your comment on Napoleon’s quote is out of context. It doesn’t matter if he said that before or after he got the money to finance his wars, the fact is, he was right on his observation: war is an extremely expensive business even for the greatest empires.

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Zarathustra
  80. Jiminy says:

    Instead of nuclear weapons, Iran should try releasing bats with a cold virus over Israel. Surely that would wake them from their stupor.
    What sort of threat could Israel realistically hold over Biden for not doing their bidding? He’s clearly not long for this world so they wouldn’t achieve much by threatening his waning existence. It’s just that I find it hard to believe that the states could field an army strong enough to go to war with Iran, and win. With all of the battle fatigue shown throughout the forces combined with what is happening socially in America, I can see the politicians agreeing to one thing, but the people having different ideas completely.
    Something like this could finally unite the Middle East into one force to go into battle against Israel. Things might actually backfire on them this time.

  81. Notsofast says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    this would make a great old school tattoo.

  82. geokat62 says:
    @Critic

    However, since you and the authors claims that the war was launched under its foreign master, the war is still legitimate because the foreign master controls the US and yields power over the US.

    ?????

    Are you “Swedish” by any chance?

    • Replies: @Critic
  83. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    I have thought for some time now that Iran is pivotal to the unfolding of the world to come. It cannot, of itself, prevail against Zio-America. It is surely the case, therefore, that its natural allies in this new BRI/SCO world, must guarantee its security, either overtly or covertly. Iran is of the most vital strategic importance to the one route out of Zio-American hegemony. Iran must prevail, or it’s 1945 all over again.

    • Thanks: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  84. @RoatanBill

    this a proper, accurate and direct response that is worth its weight in simplicity and truth, which weight is more valuable than gold

    given modern technology and the end stage of capitalism the Jews threatens the very existence of humanity as the global spread of the Covid vaccines indicate – even prove.

    it is clear that the human/Zionist issue must be resolved in this time of ours, in the total and permanent global loss of power and influence by the Zionists, forever… or humanity becomes victim of Jewish need to maintain themselves in existence, after the endless crimes against humanity they have committed for so long now.

    it is clear or ought to be by now, that any Jewish indefinite survival in riches and social power on planet earth, from here onwards, comes at the expense of the rest of humanity. clearly, most or all of the rest of us must die to ensure Jewish survival and security: that’s the equation I have discerned. I am utterly prepared to be be wrong in this.

    can someone explain how the rest of society can be permitted by the Jews to survive and not call the Jews to account for their crimes, given that their crimes and general criminal activity must continue. nothing they have can be maintained without exploitation or the creation of a prison state, a Brave New World along with massive depopulation. the Jews cannot continue to survive as they are and do, unless they have no more competition in a huge and vibrant population in the world that is not Jewish. they must destroy the rest of the human population and that is exactly what they have begun to do

    I will be very pleased to be corrected.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  85. Ace says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If “the vitriolic rhetoric spewed out by Iranian theocratic leaders” concerns you, check out what passes for political discourse in the U.S. O’Reilly liked to refer to Putin as “Puti-poo” and LTC Peters, IIRC, characterized him as a “thug.” Xi is, of course, engaged in “genocide” in Uighurland and Assad is routinely characterized as a brutal dictator. Right. Assad the Mad Dog Ophthalmologist. Putin is referred to as a dictator as well. Bent on Russian territorial expansion, don’t you know. The only thing missing is Charley Chaplin bouncing the balloon around that Kremlin office. I mean lair.

    Jewish religious teachings have Mark Levin speaking of the Jewish ancestral homeland, IKYN, and the political implications of that nonsense have equated to misery, destruction, and death for millions. Where’s Condi when we need a solid “birth defect” analysis?

    I’ll go out on a limb here and propose that calling the Iranians everything but a white man and bombing stuff and assassinating people there makes Iranian hostility an enduring fact of life. Demanding that they lick our boots in perpetuity isn’t the Dale Carnegie approach.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  86. @Caspar von Everec

    The Jews will order the collapsing USA military to attack both Iran and China before it’s too late.

  87. @Rich

    The Straits of Hormuz would be cleared faster than the Suez Canal was last month. And Iran would regret it for the foreseeable future.

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
    , @Alfred
  88. cohen says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    How about getting rid of Lakuds

  89. @Wizard of Oz

    post traumatic stress disorder

    Are you going full wimp on me? Post traumatic stress disorder is what life was called before the psychiatrists invented all their conditions, none of which, not even one, has an empirically verifiable method of detection. They just make this shit up and the weak of mind don’t question it.

    I don’t care what fear, anxiety or anything else the zionists feel. They have stolen the land of the Palestinians, have imprisoned many of them in an open air facility in Gaza, enforce an apartheid state and routinely maim and murder their neighbors. The best thing that could happen for the entire middle east is if the Israeli gov’t was hung to the last person and the land restored to their rightful owners. Any jews living there would either disavow zionism and live peaceably with their neighbors or get the same fate as their disgusting leaders.

    The zionists threaten the entire world with their never ending in your face provocations along with their cunning manipulation of gov’ts, particularly the US. The US was a decent place decades ago. The JFK assassination was the dividing line for when the country started its slide into shithole territory where the average working person is put upon by the dregs of the population, all brought about by ridiculous laws purposely designed to enslave the white population. All this engineered by the zionists that control all the prime centers of power.

  90. cohen says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Another important thing that is always overlooked and kept away by the tamed media is the fear of Iranian Guards in the neighboring countries. They are terrified of the idea of sabotage in their tourism industry and all that fake business good climate. They pay extortion money. Can anyone think of just a big missiles or two will get rid of all those bikinis, their married friends and the business would flee. The so called peace between all those Trucial States and Israel was with the consent of Iran. At what cost we will find out in couple of years.

    Jared made good money and got rid of all his debts.

  91. @RoatanBill

    Israel believes it has the right to steal the lands of others…..their expansion plans are well documented.

    And the wars cost them nothing, since it’s white Christian boys (mostly from the south) that get slaughtered…..and of course those same white Christian boys are the small hats’ most hated demographic.

    So, you see, everything works out for the best!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  92. Nah, ‘murica loves war but hates casualties.

  93. @Robert Dolan

    Years ago, when I heard that the zionists claim the land they currently occupy, and more, due to their having some connection to that land from 2000 years ago, I could hardly believe the temerity. The jews have a name for that type of arrogance – hutzpah.

  94. DaveE says:
    @gatobart

    Exactly. We (the US citizenry) will be perpetually indebted to the jewish money-changers, for all eternity. We will never catch up, never be debt-free, never have any self-determination, never be able to:

    1.) Speak without a face diaper.
    2.) Show our faces without cowering in shame.
    3.) Let our kids socialize in schools, on the sports field, in malls or any public place.
    4.) Pray to the REAL God (not Satan / Yhwh) in a church.
    5.) Run a self-sufficient business without perpetual “protection” money to the S.O.T.E. Tribe.
    6.) Enjoy music by Goy composers. (Maybe Mahler and Billy Joel and KISS will be exempt…) in a public forum.
    7.) “delete” sexual mutant scum , like this:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9515681/Homophobic-Tennesse-CEO-fired-hes-accused-harassing-boy-wearing-dress-prom.html

    But I’m sure this was all just a coincidence.

    THERE IS a solution, ya’ know.

  95. @Notsofast

    Israel got a wake-up call from Hezbollah in 2000 and 2006, but, in their insufferable arrogance, they refused to listen. But then again they have nukes, and a ‘religion’ that tells them that using them is a mitzvah, a sanctified religious act. Many years ago I heard an eminent Syrian declare that Israel was a cancer on the Near East, and today it has become a cancer on the world.

    • Replies: @Jazman
  96. @Wizard of Oz

    post traumatic stress disorder that the madness of the Nazis racial ideas inflicted

    HAHAHAHA

    You kikes will be BEGGING to get back in those cattle trains you deserve when your corona hoax fails.

    We WILL make every KIKE pay for all the crimes against humanity.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  97. @ben sampson

    They are subhuman insects without a country, always leeching off other good, native people of the world. The kikes are a race of parasites without restraint. They are beneath tapeworms. And we should eradicate them as such.

    All humans > (((chosenites)))

    • Replies: @Ace
  98. @Desert Fox

    The Israelis fought well and bravely when they still felt threatened by the memory of the Nazi Judeocide. Plus they fought dirty, with sneak attacks, broken truces and massacres of civilians. But the years since 1973, when all the martial valour they could summon was to murder terrified and wounded 13 year old girls to ‘confirm the kill’, and terrorise old people, children and pregnant women at check-points, left them unprepared for Hezbollah in 2006. The ‘..best prepared war in Israeli history’ in the words of the Israeli media was a disaster, despite terrorist bombing of Lebanon and the obliteration of Dahiya. A full on war with Hezbollah/Iran would see Israel emptied and Florida and Brooklyn flooded in a trice.

  99. With the illegitimate Biden Regime appointment of Lloyd Austin as Sec. of da fence mandating critical race Theory an LGBTIQPWXYZ compliance throughout the five branches of da millaterry, fighting warz for Zionist’s will be a piece of fried chicken.
    Schitt, look at wut BLM/Antifa did to Seattle, Portland and Minnesota an other cities. Now jus imagine da marines corps 10th battalion tranny division along wif da navies all lesbian pacific fleet strike force group against Russian or Chinese. Dats rite, Dey gonna run fasta dan a speeding poleez car when Dey see all dim crazy lesbians and trannys.
    Tank God fo GlobalHomo and Wakandians, we iz kangz.

    Credit: CQ a would like to thank Jamal LaBron Washington for Ebonics translation and KFC fo extra crispy buckets.

    • Thanks: annamaria
  100. @Brooklyn Dave

    Your ‘hard Left’ would not qualify as ‘compassionate conservatism’ in Europe. Harris has a record that equates to that of the Tory thug, Priti Patel, in the UK. Political terminological verbiage in the USA is proof of just how far to the hard, inhuman, Right the US has been pushed.

  101. @animalogic

    Yes, it’s amazing how these geniuses believe the old WMD scam will play again? Still, think how fast the US Liberty got forgot. Our only chance is the The Street’s war fatigue .

  102. Lee says:
    @GMC

    GMC said:

    Israel and the US use mini nukes every year on countries , you just don’t get to see the blasts on the news. Beirut harbor was the last one they used one one. Look for the big hole and look at how much bedrock is destroyed – fertilizer bombs can’t do that .

    Survivors of the truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City might disagree with you on this point.

    • Replies: @GMC
  103. Critic says:
    @geokat62

    Why “Swedish”?

    The point is simple. Why complain when on one hand you acknowledge that America is no longer sovereign. All I am saying is that Israel is not doing anything wrong by protecting its self interest while using the resources of what it controls.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Jihadijew
  104. JamesinNM says:

    Iran is a sovereign nation that does not want to be controlled by the NWO bankers, just as Russia has pulled away from the central banking system recently. Every nation should be sovereign and capable of deterring any aggression of any type from any other nation or combination of nations.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  105. HdC says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You wrote:”…what the Nazis were saying… writing…about Jews”.

    My reply was meant to illustrate the circumstances for what you stated.

  106. @Wizard of Oz

    I can only think of one reason why US and ZioAllies seek to prevent Iran from having nukes.
    They fear Iran would nuke Israel as the whole world joins in joyful cheers.
    There’s a reason why Israel declared its state on Christian and Islamic sacred sites.
    Warning: Sacred Holy Sites – No Nukes Allowed

  107. Mulegino1 says:
    @Lucy Lipinska

    It is a kind of anti-logic, born of the deconstruction of reason and the rational. A meeting of the minds of Protagoras and the Sanhedrin, wherein the Jew is the measure of all things. That is the central core of Talmudism and Kabbalah. Everything- international law, natural law, science, spirituality and economics, must be judged by the categorical imperative that it “be good for the Jews.’

    Antipathy and contempt towards the non-Jew is the vital principle that animates the world view of the Talmud and the Kabbalah, and Zionism is their weaponization.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  108. geokat62 says:
    @Critic

    All I am saying is that Israel is not doing anything wrong by protecting its self interest while using the resources of what it controls.

    Oh, is that what you’re saying? That Israel is protecting its self interest?

    I wonder why I got confused by your original post:

    In that case going to war would represent genuine and legitimate American interests.

  109. @Caspar von Everec

    With respect to Erdogan, this is extremely unlikely and the source for this must e closely scrutinized.
    When the Greek gov’t and Turkish gov’t agreed to a population transfer it immediately became an issue in Turkey that they would be faced with a 5th column: the Donmeh.
    Ataturk allegedly confessed to being Donmeh in 1911 to an army colleague. Many members of the young turks were known Donmeh and this saw the Empire enter the war and face evisceration after along with over 1 million dead Armenians. The man in charge of the Armenian genocide by relocation was Talant, a Donmeh, later murdered by an Armenian patriot.
    Attaturk cut Turkey off from its past by introducin the Latin alphabet, attacking religious naming, forcing imam’s to registed and suppressing religion.
    In my estimate, Erdogan is in tune with his people and is trying to bring religion back to a healthy, free state in Turkey. Over 100 years since the CUP implemented a social revolution Turkey is struggling to root out Donmeh influence. The Donmeh were very successful in joining Turkish foreign policy to Israel. Most Turks reject this and support Erdogan as he tries to lead the country out of a mess created by treasonous jews.
    The Christian genocide of Armenians and Assyrians is very touchy with Turks as the Donmeh used state power and kurdish collusion to kill Christians and lay a blood libel case on the Turkish people.
    Biden was an idiot to ring it up but, like a good Zionist, did what he was told. The KSA leadership are Donmeh as well. This has been well researchsed.
    Again, Turkey is still struggling to be rid of these Donmeh who are descendants of the followers of Sabbatai Zvi the satanic kabalist. Zvi converted to Islam rather than face death and over 100,000 of his followers did so as well. No one knows how many there are today but many dispersed around WW1. Boris Johnson is one though he probably would deny it.

    This is a really sordid bit of history that is still playing out to this day and as usual we find (((them))) deeply immersed in evil, genocide and satan worship. When the press speaks of Erdogan remember they speak with a forked tongue.

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Thanks: Alfred, annamaria
    • Replies: @RobinG
  110. @gatobart

    Do you have a calendar? What date is 19313.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  111. Ace says:
    @HeebHunter

    You might want to dial it down a notch or two, Hoss.

  112. gatobart says:
    @Zarathustra

    Probably the date when you’ll stop being and annoying smart az.

  113. Jihadijew says:
    @Critic

    Can you define Israel’s self interest in your delusional mind. Do your know Israel’s borders. Always changing. Its constitution? how many and why different for different Jew. Difference between State and national or nation in Israel. Your kind of people make me puke. Just not know much about Israeli history, politics, greed.

    The you guys make “one rock” Ein—Stein a the smartest man ever born. Well Mr. Zionist, Tesla wrote a poem about Einstein not in clean words. He called Einstein Crack Head rightfully so. Plagiarist and Racist more appropriate. I bought several books like marketing of St. Einstein or his travel diaries which full of despicable slurs. “Indian can not think more than 15 minutes in future”. There is another propaganda going on his argument with Neil Bohr on quantum mechanics about energy. How Eisntein used to keep Bohr busy by asking him questions. The fact is Einstein did not have much knowledge about calculus or differential equations. He failed twice once in his engineering entrance exam and other in some math test. We should acknowledge his Serbian wife for all math she did for him. And guess who gave him all those noble prizes not any scientist panel but members of the Noble committee. Just like they been throwing such prizes to Obama (for peace), Israeli prime ministers, Arafat, Mala, Bob Dylan and God know who else. Same committee declined the Noble to an India scientist who gave came up with transistor idea. The excuse was that “Indians are not ready, yet”
    Why dont you spend sometime and learn and try to think critically for a change. Looking forward t hearing from you about greater Israel without borders. Just like doctors or Journalist without borders. Now we have Israel without borders. Hurray. Time to celebrate.

    • Agree: Alfred
  114. @Wizard of Oz

    Hahahaha! Citing Wikipedia as a source!

    This chap has just undermined his entire argument, all by himself.

  115. IronForge says:

    Long Overdue for a Non-Aggression Treaty btwn ISR and IRN.

  116. @RoatanBill

    Iran getting a few nukes would be the best guarantee against catastrophic war in the Middle East.

  117. @Wizard of Oz

    Iran would have developed nuclear weapons years ago if they wanted or needed them.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
  118. Mefobills says:
    @GeeBee

    Agree – Iran is of vital strategic importance.

    It looks like China is figuring that out:

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-china-sign-strategic-long-term-cooperation-agreement-76720627

    Saeed Khatibzadeh, spokesman for Iran’s Foreign Ministry, on Friday called the agreement “deep, multi-layer and full-fledged.”

    It’s my conviction, that this time around Atlantacism and Finance Capitalism, is losing. 1945 will not repeat.

    • Agree: HeebHunter, Iris
  119. is there a “USAPAC” in israel?

  120. @Z-man

    What the Zionists fear more than anything is getting into a fair fight.

    So does the US, which for the past 70+ years has been largely successful in picking and winning fights with glorified boy scout troops, while losing to all others.

  121. Top news!
    Gupta admitted on CNN that Pfizer vaccine diminishes body resistance to other diseases.
    I did not understand his explanation but something fishy is there.,

  122. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I wouldn’t be so sure it would stay that local. The first sign that Israel is in trouble, the US Cavalry is a coming, trumpets blaring. Then the question becomes what the other superpowers will do. They have smart bombs mounted for hypersonic delivery. Those will make the logistics of supplying large scale American forces impossible. Anything riding at 30 knots on the surface of the water is a sitting duck. Armor won’t save them. It will make for another good Bible story 5000 years from now.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  123. @gatobart

    “Napoleon Bonaparte said it best: to wage war you need three things: money, money and money.”

    And there will always be bankers willing to loan, loan, and loan that money, to enslave, via debt, all sides in any war.

    The Coalition of the Sanctioned continues to grow. When critical mass is achieved …

  124. @Ace

    I wouldn’t disagree with most of that but I would imagine that most Israelis would be fearful that a nuclear armed Iran might launch (non nuclear) attacks on Israel. And that wouldn’t be irrational.

  125. @RoatanBill

    While there’s been plenty of dodgy psychiatry but I think you are probably wrong about PTSD. Anyway I was using it metaphorically. Just imagine anything impacting on you which suddenly makes solid assumptions and everyday rules of thumb seem wrong or not accepted. Being sacked as a Professor, despite being a practising Lutheran married to a Christian because your father was born Jewish (and won an Iron Cross in WW1) would do something to your mind as you attempted to sell up your house and emigrate, not less when the refugee ship was turned back as a reminder of historical attitudes to Jews! At the least it could make you take Ayatollah’s rhetoric seriously.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  126. @Wizard of Oz

    By 1910 Zionists had built TelAviv to look like Berlin, to give European Jews a place where they’d feel at home.

    Because of a (fake) holocaust that allegedly occurred 1942 – 1945.

    Right.

    • Thanks: Iris, ChuckOrloski, annamaria
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  127. @Wizard of Oz

    Some Wikipedia articles can be relied on as almost everyone on UR does from time to time. If you read the article in question you would see that the obviously well informed writer has no apparent motive to falsify the relevant date. If you wish to advance knowledge on UR try doing the research which would falsify that key 1966 date. So far you have just left the Kennedy assassination at the point where Israeli resentment over Kenndy’s attitude to nuclear arms would not have come anywhere near boiling point by November 1963 But I am open to a relevant response.

  128. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Israelis fought well and bravely when they still felt threatened by the memory of the Nazi Judeocide.

    Nonsense.

    Jews started “fighting dirty” in an effort to dismantle the Ottoman Empire, before WWI.
    Jews “fought dirty” against American AND British interests in WWI — read Chaim Weizmann’s autobiography, about how he undermined an effort by former ambassador Hans Morgenthau to achieve peace with Turkey: Weizmann was afraid it would derail implementation of the Balfour declaration, so WWI was prolonged for another 2 years.

    Jews “fought dirty” within WWII and especially Jews “fought dirty” in the Nuremberg trials, which, as Rabbi Stephen Wise noted in his autobiography, was pre-ordained to function in a manner contrary to all previous Anglo-Saxon legal tradition. Jews relied on torture and lies to gain convictions — and executions — in Nuremberg.

    The “Nazi Judeocide” is a figment of the Jewish imagination that is readily falsifiable. It’s embarrassing that so many would-be truth-seekers still promote the concocted fable — as did Jim Hogue in his conversation with Kevin Barrett https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_jim-hogue-on-fictitious-scams-to-push-the-narrative/
    Hogue says:

    then you have the Balfour agreement which was created in order to set up the settlement in Palestine, the Jewish settlement in Palestine, which then gradually morphed into 1948 and then we have the creation of the State of Israel.

    and later, in the same interview, Hogue declares:

    But the inarguable thing is that it indeed did happen. Hehheh. People can look at all the different motivations but you’re coming down to the basic fact that it indeed happened. And what we’ve got now is a direct result of what happened.

    What “happened,” Hogue? Seen any photos of the 131 German cities Allied bombers destroyed, Hogue? How many Jewish cities in Israel were built in that same time period?

    What a load of sloppy reporting: “gradually morphed” — from 1917 to 1948, a period during which two wars occurred from which two wars Jewish zionists were primary protagonists, financiers, as well as beneficiaries.
    Not to draw too fine a point, but the world wars have to be seen as conflagrations brought about in service of zionism and the “morphing” creation of Israel.

    Zionist Israel was “morphed” into being in 1948 at the cost of tens of millions of innocent Germans, Poles, Italians, Frenchmen, Americans and the always perfidious British.

    Besides, as pointed out in #127, response to Wiz of Oz, the zionist project in Palestine was a fait accompli at least thirty years before any mendaciously claimed “Nazi Judeocide.”

    • Agree: Iris
    • Thanks: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @HeebHunter
    , @RobinG
  129. @Niebelheim

    More likely for alien archeologists in the far future.

  130. GMC says:
    @Lee

    Are you kidding me ? Remember that POliceman that found explosives attached to one of the pylons that didn’t detonate? The public gets NO/Zero time to look at the crime scene or listen to eye witnesses – The cover up starts hours before the Gov. terrorist blast. The smart people look for all the photos, , impacts etc. – before they are sanitized off the media and internet . We’ve been had – for too long of time.

    • Replies: @Lee
    , @GMC
  131. @Wizard of Oz

    Christ-what a stew. The Iranians have completely rejected nukes, as ‘unislamic’. They have repeatedly called for the entire Middle East to become a Nuclear Free Zone. Reply from the West? Crickets. As for not using nukes-I wouldn’t be so sure, and Israel has often threatened their use, even against Europe, in the days when it was not 100% controlled by the Zionazis. Palestinians are already citizens in Israel, 20% of the population, and they are third-class ‘citizens’ at best, and Israeli leaders often advocate their expulsion. You’re living testament to much saturation in Murdochite bulldust.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  132. @Truth Vigilante

    Thank you for you link to Piper’s book which I haven’t read. It would be interesting to see how he argues for enough enmity from a still weak Israel to precipitate assassination in 1963 when Dimona was being built with French assistance till 1966 and the often cited attempt to get the AIPAC predecessor registered as a foreign agent was easily evadted by clever enough lawyers.

    • Replies: @Art
  133. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Really! You can’t be so naive as to believe that Iran has forworn the use of nuclear weapons because someone has said it’s UN Islamic! What do the Iranians say about the Pakistani weapons? More to the point, would you expect the Israelis to trust that assurance? After all they know that they themselves conceal the truth from both friends and enemies.

    As to Palestinian citizenship you have misunderstood my suggestion. If ALL Palestinians were voting citizens the Jews would worry about being outbred despite the fertility of Haredim. That’s why they would need to return to an older version of the franchise where money counted.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Cohen
  134. @Z-man

    A friendly question….. Are you the same Z Man who writes under that .Oliver for Taki Mag?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  135. @Bill Jones

    The Russians should put a few of their nuclear missiles on Iranian soil under the full command of the Russian military making Iran a nuclear state by proxy. The symbolism alone would tell Israel and the US to pound sand and stop all the rampant stupidity both are getting away with now.

    Nukes today are the best defensive weapons system. As long as one player has them, the others absolutely need them. It would be great if they didn’t exist, but they do.

    • Agree: Realist, Harold Smith, GMC
  136. Lee says:
    @GMC

    GMC said:

    Are you kidding me ? Remember that POliceman that found explosives attached to one of the pylons that didn’t detonate? The public gets NO/Zero time to look at the crime scene or listen to eye witnesses – The cover up starts hours before the Gov. terrorist blast. The smart people look for all the photos, , impacts etc. – before they are sanitized off the media and internet . We’ve been had – for too long of time.

    Maybe you should walk through the OKC Memorial today,view the thousands of artifacts, watch all the videos presented during the tour, and then come to a reasoned conclusion likely far from the conspiratorial BS found on the internet.

  137. @Wizard of Oz

    Whatever crazy thoughts run in some persons mind isn’t my problem. It’s your line of thinking that allows murderers, rapists, etc to claim temporary insanity or diminished capacity. It’s just an excuse that the society is supposed to accept as reasonable to mitigate some horrendous deed.

    Well, I call bullshit on that line of thinking because it allows miscreants to get away with murder, literally in many cases. The law should be that if you’re found mentally diminished in any way AND commuted a capital crime you should be executed to guarantee there will be no repeat. No lesser sentence should be possible. That would be protecting the citizenry, not the lie that passes for it now.

    To use your logic on an international scale is why the world is turning mad. The Israelis feign some fright with Iran’s speech and bomb them, kill their scientists, mine their ships, etc. all the while with a large nuclear arsenal at their disposal and a guarantee of assistance from the most criminal gang on the planet, the US Fed Gov. Pure logic says the entire Israeli act of the poor put upon jew is bullshit.

    All the never again sloganeering goes both ways. If they don’t want a repeat holocaust, then they should stop repeating what has gotten them serious trouble numerous times in the past. There were no nukes when they were driven from lands in the past and there was no concentration of them as there is now in Israel. Their actions invite retribution and now, nukes exist. It is the Israeli’s that are inciting for their own demise by acting like the historic jews they are.

    The sad part is that many jews are innocent of the vile acts of their “leaders”, but then they are guilty of enabling them. Those that see the evil the Israeli gov’t represents shouldn’t be in Israel when the world gets tired of their provocations. I also wish there was a word that would substitute for jew or zionist that would add a third option, namely the decent jew that just wants to live a quiet life. They exist and get painted by the jew and zionist brush unfairly.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  138. Iris says:
    @Theophrastus

    Hahahaha! Citing Wikipedia as a source!

    Indeed. Citing mainstream Wikipedia as a reliable source about the JFK assassination irrefutable conspiracy is laughable.

    A majority of the public, as well as foremost historic actors (Charles de Gaulle, Valery Giscard d’Estaing, Gerald Ford, but also Nixon and Johnson to a more limited audience), all acknowledged at some point that JFK was not killed by a lone gunman.

    President Kennedy was killed because he was a passionate Non-Proliferation warrior, who had made nuclear disarmament his life crusade and mission.
    The responsibility of Israel in his assassination appears overwhelming.

    Motive: Israel needed President Kennedy dead before a planned Dec 1963 Dimona inspection, which he forcibly imposed upon the Zionist entity.
    During this inspection, his nuclear experts would have had inevitably discovered that the Israelis had fooled and deceived the US administration, and that the Dimona reactor had secretly gone live six months earlier in July 1963, a tell-all sign meant at concealing its plutonium enrichment, weapon-producing, real intended design.

    Many parties wanted JFK dead, but only Israel needed him dead before December 1963.
    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

    Opportunity: It was created by prominent Dallas Zionist notability Sam Bloom, who defined JFK motorcade’s route and its passing by the Elm Street death trap that made JFK a sitting duck.

    Means: The principal sniper tasked with shooting JFK from the back was positioned in the Dal-Tex Building, a Sayanim sanctuary controlled by the wealthy Dallas Zionist community.
    This set-up was obvious from the earliest ballistic analysis, and later materially proven by an entry bullet found in a piece of JFK’s skull labelled “the Harper fragment”.
    https://themantikview.com/pdf/The_Harper_Fragment.pdf

    Control of the narrative: Contrary to usual, no journalist was filming JFK, and the most exhaustive film of the tragedy was shot by Zapruder, a Russian-Jewish immigrant, Zionist and Freemason, whose offices were also located in the Dal-Tex building.

    Damage control: After Lee Harvey “I am just a patsy” Oswald managed to escape his planned premature execution, the task of silencing him was given to Jacob Rubinstein, who, in his own words, did it “for the Jewish people”. By killing Oswald, Ruby killed the inquiry.

    The key actor in President Kennedy’s abject execution was Israel; all others involved were sidekicks happy to go along.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Thanks: Robjil, Druid55
    • Replies: @Lee
  139. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    More to the point, would you expect the Israelis to trust that assurance?

    Yes. The Israelis know perfectly well that Iran will never use fission nuclear weapons issued from uranium enrichment against Israel, as it entails the risk of killing 6+ millions of Palestinians, 4+million of Lebanese, and many more among Iran’s friends and allies in the process.

    The Middle-East is simply too crowded for the Iran nuclear bogeyman fable to have any credibility.

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  140. anarchyst says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Let’s not forget the jewish slaughter of Palestinians before the formation of the criminal jewish state of israel in 1948. The numerous “false flag” operations attest to jewish criminality as well…

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  141. GMC says:
    @GMC

    The Experts – the real experts show a planned demolition on just the right pylons and it’s easy to hide it with a fertilizer bomb. I worked high risers – big big ones and medium ones and yes a fertilizer bomb can do much damage because of glass, metal shrapnel, interior furnishings , but one needs to go into the contents of that building – to include government documents, certain workers, that had to be – coincidentally erased, etc. etc. etc. The Pentagon missile strike , just hitting the area that contained the investigative documents is a real good example. They say you have to separate your compassion, humanity and feelings , in order to see the reality – and 90% of American – can’t do it The programming, the propaganda is much stronger today, but it’s been nonstop on the American people – This in itself is Genocide. When I went back to visit Nam , for the first time in 50 years , there are places I won’t go – because – I know the truth – and it Hurts.

    • Agree: Alfred
  142. Alfred says:
    @Johnny Rico

    The Straits of Hormuz would be cleared faster than the Suez Canal was last month

    Try telling that to the insurance companies. Or the captains of oil tankers that transit the Straits.

    Your is a typical comment of a desktop warrior who needs to wear a mask in his car. 🤣

    • Thanks: GMC
  143. @Iris

    You have entirely misunderstood the logic of the counter argument. Just as Israel’s nuclear arms are an effective deterrent to a massive invasion of Israel by a country with much bigger army – like several of its ME neighbours – Iranian nuclear weapons would be a deterrent to Israel’s use of nuclear weapons if Iran became much more militarily active in Israel’s neighbourhood, e.g. giving further support to Hezbollah’s and Hamas’s niggling attacks by rocket and making it clear that Isrrael would be met by Iranian forces if it invaded Lebanon.

    It is true that Iran would choose its targets carefully in Israel if it did use nuclear weapons. But it could hit Tel Aviv, Eilat, airports, and military installations, not to mention Dimon.

  144. @Theophrastus

    My reply has been renumbered from #122 to #131

  145. @SolontoCroesus

    Not quite. 

    See https://www.britannica.com/place/Tel-Aviv-Yafo

    Tel Aviv was founded in 1909 as a garden suburb of Yaffa/Jaffa, the existing port city.  In  the 1930s, unsurprisingly, Tel Aviv began to have Bauhaus influenced building built which may have pleased urban German immigrants but  was hardly a way  “to look like Berlin”.

  146. @Bill Jones

    Obliterating Israel would guarantee peace on this planet. Then the termites in London, NYC and D.C. could be easily eradicated.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Thanks: Druid55
  147. @anarchyst

    Agree, see the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, it can be had on amazon.

  148. But there are no nukes. It is a “national security” lie, and excuse to have a huge defense budget. It is a fear control lie for the masses. It is an excuse to go to another needless war. Japan was firebombed only and the photos prove it. The amateur photo fakery to “prove” nukes are now seen as less than high school level photo shopping. Thanks to the internet, all the films and photos of the “nuke” tests, etc. have been CLEARLY exposed to be fakes!!

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  149. annamaria says:
    @GMC

    “because the NWO Crime Syndicate is made up of International Bankers, Corporations, Zionist agencies and these are not just American based. Hell, these guys make, what some believe to be 500+ billion a year on dope from Colombia and Afghanistan alone, not to overlook the Weapons running, oil, gas, rare earth minerals etc. etc. etc. – theft.”
    — Excellent depiction of the “deciders” that constitute the NWO government of mega gangsters and thieves. Thank you.

    • Thanks: GMC
  150. annamaria says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    A minor note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dönmeh

    The Dönmeh were a group of Sabbatean crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire who converted outwardly to Islam but retained their Jewish faith and Kabbalistic beliefs in secret. … the Sabbateans secretly remained close to Judaism and continued to practice Jewish rituals covertly. … the leading members of the Young Turk movement, a group of constitutional monarchist revolutionaries who brought down the Ottoman Empire, were Dönmeh.

    The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. https://www.britannica.com/event/Armenian-Genocide.

    For centuries the great mountain plateau of Eastern Anatolia—in present-day eastern Turkey—was inhabited primarily by Christian Armenians who shared the area with Muslim Kurds. … Armenian political independence was largely brought to an end by a wave of invasions and migrations by Turkic-speaking peoples beginning in the 11th century, and in the 15th and 16th centuries, the region was integrated into the vast Ottoman Empire. …

    Throughout the summer and autumn of 1915, Armenian civilians were removed from their homes and marched through the valleys and mountains of Eastern Anatolia toward desert concentration camps. The deportation, which was overseen by civil and military officials, was accompanied by a systematic campaign of mass murder … Survivors who reached the deserts of Syria languished in concentration camps, many starved to death, and massacres continued into 1916. Conservative estimates have calculated that some 600,000 to more than 1,000,000 Armenians were slaughtered or died on the marches. The events of 1915–16 were witnessed by a number of foreign journalists, missionaries, diplomats, and military officers who sent reports home about death marches and killing fields.

  151. annamaria says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    “The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret” https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i/

    Israelis have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries…

    Many Dönmeh, along with traditional Jews, became powerful political and business leaders in Salonica. It was this core group of Dönmeh, which organized the secret Young Turks… One of the Young Turk leaders in Salonica was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey. … the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life…

    It was Ataturk’s and the Young Turks’ support for Zionism, the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, after World War I and during Nazi rule in Europe that endeared Turkey to Israel and vice versa. … Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” … it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian.

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  152. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    My prescription is for Palestinians to be given Israeli citizenship but that there should be a powerful Upper House of the Knesset for which only people who have been net tax payers for 15 years could vote.

    And what’s wrong with simply withdrawing from the occupied territories, as international law has been demanding for more than half a century?

    Look, the Palestinians already agreed a long time ago to close the issue if they are simply given back the post-1967 territories that Israel illegally occupies and dismantles the illegal settlements. They no longer demand that the entire state of Israel is illegitimate, which is a losing strategy anyway [and one which many obstinate commenters on this site also cling to]. They will recognize Israel if Israel simply leaves the West Bank and Gaza and leaves them alone. At that point, Iran has no agency to demand anything more of Israel, since the Palestinians themselves will have settled.

    But this proposition of yours, of giving the Palestinians citizenship, means annexation and an expansion of the de facto territory of Israel. This is not only a non-starter for the Palestinians, but also those countries that actively support them, at least rhetorically, like Iran, and also major powers like Russia and China who will not allow the ultimate international law, namely UN Security Council Resolutions, to be torn up, and who are in fact working actively to reset the international, multipolar order on the foundation of the UN charter.

    This canard illustrates how Israeli-firsters like yourselves think. Palestinians don’t want to be part of a Greater Israel…they have made that abundantly clear in each and every poll on the issue. The ONLY solution is the one that has been on the international law books for a very long time. Why don’t you, and the Israeli public start thinking about that instead?

    Well, I’ll tell you why you don’t want to consider the only feasible option. It’s because you think you can eventually ‘win’ and simply take those occupied territories eventually. But all the signs point to this outcome becoming less viable with each passing day. The only reason Israel can hold out with this expansionist agenda is because the US is backstopping you. But the US is a fading empire…it’s not going to be any kind of thousand year reich–although many beltway disneylanders refuse to acknowledge that reality and continue to pretend, groundhog day-like, that it is 1990 every day when they wake up.

    Reality works very differently. One fine day this house of cards simply comes crashing down, like every Ponzi Scheme. All that has to happen is for China to say ‘pay us in Yuan or gold’ for all the goods you require for your everyday life. And for China to tell the Arabs they will only pay in gold-backed yuan for their oil. At that point nobody needs to hold US dollars, and the US finances its mutlitrillion dollar deficits how?

    That day is coming, sure as the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning. At that point, nobody in the US is going to care about Israel. Will Israel be prepared to at that point go to war with Iran? And btw, Iran may not want the bomb now, but Ayatollah Khamenei is not going to be around forever. Once the US folds its cardboard box who knows what’s going to happen? The only thing left will be Israel and the mountain of ill will it has built up in the region.

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  153. FB says: • Website
    @Rich

    The US could do serious damage to Iran with naval and airpower alone. Iran could do little in return.

    Sure they could. Just like they ‘did’ in January of last year when Iran bombed the US base in Iraq?

    The Army officer described the feeling of the missiles crashing down around him “like a freight train going by you” and said that, in his opinion, “nobody should’ve lived through this.” His comments align closely with those from U.S. Air Force personnel at Al Asad during the strikes. That service released a compendium of personal stories from survivors of the strikes last year.

    “The explosions finally stop, and I feel a collective sigh within the bunker,” Air Force Captain Nate Brown, in charge of the 443rd’s Engineer Flight, said afterward. “The next wave hits. Then the next, and the next. I have no idea if anyone is alive outside this bunker.”

    Everything New We Just Learned About The 2020 Iranian Missile Attack On U.S. Forces In Iraq: “Nobody should’ve lived through this,” said one survivor as new insights into U.S. intelligence prior to the strikes come to light.

    That was just a merciful little spanking by Iran. Predictably, the US slunk away with its tail tucked. The next such punishment can be several of orders of magnitude greater. Thousands of US troops are within reach of Iran’s precision missiles. It should be noted that not a single one was intercepted by the US ‘anti-missile’ defense.

    The US military has never shown itself to be either able or willing to fight. A paper tiger since the very beginning. See the US Eighth Army’s destruction by the Chinese in Korea. When the Red Army rolled up the million-strong Jap Army in Manchuria in 1945, the Russian generals were left scratching their heads just how the Japs were able to give the US such a hard time in the Philippines and Indonesia.

    • Agree: Jazman, Alfred
    • Replies: @Cohen
    , @showmethereal
  154. Israeli politicians need to refocus their priorities. Approximately 18% of families in Israel are food insecure. Oddly, the Negev desert is the answer. Marvelous successes in both fish farming and agriculture in the Negev have been made and require additional research, financial aid and investment. In particular, develop extraction methods that improve the end use of desalinization brine. This is energy intensive and will require the construction of a huge Thorium based commercial reactor. ASIDE: Bibi, give a telephone call to Xi, China has an up and running commercial Thorium plant. Lithium and other raw material extraction can only complement the investments and efforts made to irrigate the desert. In short, diminish the need to glean off waters from Lebanon’s Litani River. Israel is among the ten most powerful military nations in this world, by augmenting it’s energy, food and water independence, it will have little incentive to limit or close the Gaza fishing zone and in fact, to secure better relations with Palestinian dissidents, offer desalinized water to their people-at no cost. Readers may assume that rockets will never be fired from Gaza ever again!

    The more investment in Thorium use and technology, the less dependence on oil extraction and distribution. Distribution from the Golan Heights aside from pumping it out, pipelines in general have caused nothing but trouble wherever they are constructed-or even those planned for. Need I remind readers that a pipeline from Iran’s South Pars field to the EU via a northern Syrian port, precipitated the Syrian conflict. A conflict artificially created for the purposes of controlling or shelving that 2010 deal. or The Iraq War, where a planned construction of the Haifa Pipeline financed by Bechtel or was it Halliburton? cost the lives of some five hundred thousand Iraqis .

  155. Dave1962 says:

    Nobody believes the usurper in chief Biden is calling ANY shots from the Whitehouse, rather, it’s the plethora of obligatory zionazi handlers who are.
    That means Israel will sacrifice as much goy blood & treasure as is needed to destroy Israel’s well earned enemies

  156. Cohen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Iranians must be fool not develop a nuclear weapon to counter Israel’s nuclear arsonal. They should learn a lesson from Khadafi and be terrified that what his friends in US did to him. Hardly any one knows that Richard Pearle was his registered foreign agent in US. The Zionist prince of Darkness. Money makes Margo.

    India and Pakistan would have more wars and killings of innocent people had it not been for Pakistan to counter India’s bomb with one of her own. The funny thing is that the Israeli also helped Pakistan (Merchant of deaths and human organs along with diamonds). General Pervez Musharuf, president of Pakistan once said that Pakistan’s nuclear bomb is not meant to be a fire cracker. “we will use it when needed” . There is no way Pakistan can fight a country five times of its size but the balancing act unfortunately a nuclear device to keep the two nation in line. Or Sikh of India get thier own state that they have been fighting for a long time. They are the real fighters on Indian army. Hindus are not fighters.
    North Korea is another example. All those fire and Fury bragging statements by Trump just evaporated when the Rocket Man threw a few missiles towards Japan and South Korean Seas.

  157. Cohen says:
    @FB

    Israel has three kinds of citizens. The nationalist Zionist Jews who are on top of the shit pile. They can buy property owned by government or State. Then European Jews who can buy private property and have all kind privileges. And then come the black Jews and Arab Citizen. The black Jews are dumped into ghettos and settled around defense or nuclear facilities. Arabs and black Jews are not welcome.
    Polish Jews who settled in Israel tell those black Jews who were born in Israel “Go back to you country”

  158. @FB

    A thousand up-votes, FB.

    • Thanks: FB
  159. @FB

    The Gods Upon the Earth have bought the West, but, as UN General Assembly votes show, in the rest of the world they are LOATHED, justly. If the West crumbles, as seems inevitable, the little orphan will see an emigration back to the ‘captive nations’ of the West, leaving Zionazistan populated by religious fanatics, armed to the teeth.

  160. Lee says:
    @Iris

    Iris said:

    Motive: Israel needed President Kennedy dead before a planned Dec 1963 Dimona inspection, which he forcibly imposed upon the Zionist entity.
    During this inspection, his nuclear experts would have had inevitably discovered that the Israelis had fooled and deceived the US administration, and that the Dimona reactor had secretly gone live six months earlier in July 1963, a tell-all sign meant at concealing its plutonium enrichment, weapon-producing, real intended design.

    A United States inspection team visited Dimona last January 18. Its findings show the reactor was activated December 26, 1963, and has no immediate weapons making capability.

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v18/d12

    So much for your motive—–didn’t bother to look at the rest.

    • Replies: @Iris
  161. @annamaria

    Any recognition of the Armenian Holocaust, or any other such abomination eg the Herrero, the hecatomb in the Belgian Congo, the Taino on Hispaniola, the various Anglo-Saxon (Five Eyes)settler colonial genocides etc, or any other victims of the Nazis, their fascist allies and the Japanese in WW2, detracts from the ‘unique’ status of the Nazi Judeocide. That devalues the propaganda effect of the Holocaust pseudo-religion (given added faux gravity by sycophants like Philip Adams by dropping the definite article)a propaganda weapon of huge potency. It reinforces the Judaic conceit that they, of all peoples, are ‘unique’.

  162. @RoatanBill

    One survivor of the Nazi camps appeared with Corbyn and others at a meeting in the UK, and declared that ‘Never again meant never again for ANYONE’. That exposed him as a ‘Holocaust denier’ and ‘self-hating Jew’ and proved Corbyn’s ‘antisemitism’. The entire UK fakestream media sewer, led by the execrable ‘Guardian’, instantly concurred.

  163. @Wizard of Oz

    See “Final Judgment” by Michael Collins Piper for a reply, not the sophomoric and CIA-controlled wikipedia.

    Your argument is in tatters.

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  164. Iris says:
    @Lee

    So much for your motive—–didn’t bother to look at the rest.

    That’s probably because you are an Israeli who pretends to believe what Israel’s claims about its allegedly non-existing nuclear program.

    The site, in Hebrew, of the Israeli Nuclear Authority, states that the Dimona reactor was made live in July 1963.

    That was exactly the time when Ben Gurion, who was under heightened pressure by JFK to allow American inspection of the reactor, stunned the world by resigning out of the blue, for reasons that remain unknown to the day.

    His resignation bought time for Israel, and gave Israelis a 6-month respite to organise the execution of President Kennedy.

    One date for the gullible Goyim, us, another for the Superior Jewish race, you. What a surprise.

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    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
  165. @FB

    Aside from the Iranian strike on those bases in Iraq – do you know the details of the MQ-4 drone the Iranians shot down? It is my understanding the US military didn’t think Iran could shoot them down because they fly high. I think that is probably a part of the rethinking about attacking Iran as well…?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @FB
  166. @Notsofast

    Israel will never bomb Iran alone. They will only fight to the last fo ther slave American soldiers dies, but won’t risk members of their so called superior master race .

  167. @Iris

    Why was inspection such a big deal? It certainly doesn’t point to an assassination.

    • Replies: @Lee
  168. @FB

    That’s an awful lot of realism for a UR thread. I do like my bright ideas that seem logical but you are more likely to be right. Of course building up ill will in the region doesn’t have to create permanent problems. My uncle who had been a POW of the Japanese wouldn’t do business with them to his dyin day. Now I have delightful Japanese friends and Australia is part of Quad. Israel is very good indeed at “influencing” concentrating on critical points. Maybe there will one day be lots of smart grateful Arabs who have been educated on scholarships in Israel Who knows?

    • LOL: Alfred
  169. @Theophrastus

    It seems you don’t have an argument at all. When you make a ridiculously overstated sneer against Wikipedia (which no sensible person takes as the last word when anything really matters) and don’t articulate any reason why the continuance of French support for building the Dimona facility until 1966 might be untrue or irrelevant why should I accept your recommendation to spend time on your preferred reading? At best you are lazy.

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  170. @gatobart

    As long as US dollars are accepted America can print all the money it needs for a war. I think the bigger issue is a deterioration in materiel and manpower, exacerbated by an insane directive to cleanse the military of MAGA supporters! As a result, the day will come when the US military will suffer a humiliating defeat and that will be the end of the empire.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  171. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It would be interesting to see how he argues for enough enmity from a still weak Israel to precipitate assassination in 1963 when Dimona was being built with French assistance till 1966 and the often cited attempt to get the AIPAC predecessor registered as a foreign agent was easily evadted by clever enough lawyers.

    Doom – the legacy of Jew nukes.

    Justice will come for America over the Jew assassination of the Kennedys and all that has followed. Those assassinations mark the beginning of the end of America, as a worthy valued nation. These murders gave us our first traitor president – Johnson. He set the pattern for the US government and culture to become a morally weak Jew wasteland.

    The attack on America was all about the Jew quest for nuke power over humanity. In the long run, that quest for Jew power through Jew nukes will mean the end of Israel and the Jews.

    Today, missiles have negated the power of Israeli Jew conventional warfare. All Israel has today as a defense, is nukes. It is written, that if the Jews use nukes on humanity – it will be the end of the Jews.

    The arrogant Jews have worked themselves into a lose-lose situation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  172. @WIzard of Oz

    You have had Piper’s Final Judgment recemmended to you twice in these posts. Your argument for French support for Dimona has been shredded by Piper in the stated citation, and by Iris and FB in these posts.

    I have read Final Judgment; you can’t be bothered, and yet your yid self tries to gaslight me by saying that I’m lazy, which is also an ad hominem.

    Your comments suggest you are a shill for the TinyHats, as many others here have already pointed out.

    Thus, there is no need to repeat what has already been said to you, because your kind will just double-down, over and over, even (or perhaps especially) when you are utterly wrong, as indeed you are now.

    Furthermore, that wikipedia is managed by a CIA-sponsored troll farm is very well-known, and hence your defense of it as a legitimate resource is risible.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  173. gatobart says:
    @Mr Blister

    As long as US dollars are accepted America can print all the money it needs for a war.

    Uh, what i think we’ve gotten here is failure to communicate, Mister Blister. Because you didn’t quite understand what i wrote. I bet you are an “American”, because “Americans” are particularly hard to make understand this simply idea, that their beloved US dollar doesn’t belong to them, to any of them, that it doesn’t even belong to their Federal government, to their Department of Treasury, the White House, Congress, etc . “Americans” own exactly ZERO US dollars. So your “America can print all the dollars it wants” line contains the most humongous lie with which their masters have been brainwashing them for all of their lives. And I don’t even need to go to hard solid arguments to prove it, obvious facts are enough. Say, if “America can print all the dollars it wants”…then why in heavens they have gotten a national debt which according to many experts may reach over $200T, including unfounded entitlements….? Why their civil infrastructure is falling apart and there is no money to repair or replace it…? Why thousands upon thousands of schools and hospitals have had to close all over the country because of lack of funds and why pension have been cut to a half in many States? Why tens of cities are already in state of technical bankruptcy and so some States…? Nothing of this should be happening because according to you the Federal government needs only to print more dollars to pay for all that…1 Why that is not happening…? I told you. because, in a treasonous act of Congress in 1913, they gave the exclusive power to print dollar bills to a cartel of private banks that we all call the Federal Reserve. So there is nothing Federal about the Fed, it is all in private hands, the right to print money and it is the FED, this private cartel, who owns it and lends the dollars to the Federal Government, the Treasury, at an interest. Then, it is that interest which has been the root and the engine for the greatest scam in History, of which all “Americans: are victims.

    See, as only the FED has the right to print dollars (I mean dollar bills, the U.S. Treasury do have the power to print coins, after all they have to get some pity crumbs out of the table) all the dollars in circulation belong to it. So if the Federal Government needs say, a hundred dollars, the FED prints them, it creates money out of thin air as they say, and lends them to the government say, at a 10% of annual interest. Which means that after a year the government owes the FED how much…? Yeah right. $110 dollars. But wait, the FED has only put $100 in circulation, where the government will get the other $10…? Obviously from the same FED. The FED then keeps printing money to lend it to the government so the government can pay the money already borrowed from them, and of course the interest. And that keeps going and going with time and by now they are at the $200T mark. That is the Jupiter size scam your Representatives in Congress not only allowed but were also instrumental in putting in place. And what the “American” people did when all this was taking place, in 1013..? I guess doing the equivalent of the watching of the Kardashians or American Idol of nowadays.

    That is THE reason why “America” cannot anymore engage in big conflicts, the last one having been the Iraq aggression of 2003, for which, as I said, it had to pass the hat because already couldn’t pay for it. The Israelis know that, they know that such a fact puts them in a very difficult and vulnerable position, as they have no other friends in the world, they know that deeply impoverished and highly indebted “Americans’ have lost all thirst for war so they face the danger of having to engage its enemies all alone in some future where already the US economy has collapsed. The writing is on the wall, all what is left to see is how all that will play out.

    • Agree: Alfred
  174. @Theophrastus

    When you spout such obvious BS about Wikipedia which even Ron Unz relies on carefully and selectively it is hard to take you seriously in the number of words you have already splattered on this thread give me a summary of what you have learned from Piper about the irrelevance of it being France that supported Dimona development till 1966. And if you think inspections being insisted on was an insurmountable problem tell me why.

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  175. @Art

    Why would the end of Israel mean the end of Jews?

    • Replies: @Art
  176. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    still felt threatened by the memory of the Nazi Judeocide.

    And this low IQ negro-saxon aussie accussed me of being a kike shill, LOL

  177. @SolontoCroesus

    You are replying to another (((five eyes))) shill, if it wasnt obvious.

    -Holohoax propaganda
    -superficial criticism on the kike world order
    -da bolshelviks did nothing wrong
    -muh ebil nazis
    -muh ww2 vets (may they writhe in hell)

  178. @Wizard of Oz

    I don’t have to tell you anything, O Chosen One, nor do I need to present your august self with a summary, just to give your troll-farm sisters something to snipe at.

    Do your own bloody research. But you won’t, because your employers aren’t paying you for that, of course. And if that’s not the case, then you certainly can’t be bothered to pull your head out (of the sand, of course) and read a bit more widely, because you are thoroughly indoctrinated.

    Read Piper, if you dare (but you don’t). For that mattter, there is an excellent series called American Pravda written by a chap named Ron Unz, on a site called The Unz Review, wherein the same hypothesis as Piper’s is presented very well indeed, and in fact serves as the very summary Your Highness has demanded.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-i-what-happened/
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/

    Respond to me all you want with as much guttersniping as you wish; the Dimona link to the JFK murder has been revealed, and your increasing desperation to shut down this evidence simply indicates that your owners are getting very, very scared that the truth will out.

    KMA, troll, on a red carpet, rolled out just for you.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  179. A link to Ron’s work is not asking too much so I read or reread the two articles [which gave very few mentions of Dimona] and from there went to Chapter 7 of Piper’s book. The answer you could have given to my limited point was that there was a he’ll of a lot more to Ben Gurion’s falling out with JFK than just the finessable inspection requirements. At one point I had speculated that Ben Gurion might have resigned so that he wouldn’t have on his conscience what harder guys would do. But it seems more likely that, before he resigned he ordered Mossad, for whom the murderous Yitzhak Shamir was head of assassinations, to get rid of Kennedy, knowing already that LBJ would be a better bet for Israel. As to LBJ’s guilt which Ron regards as almost certain it seems unlikely that such a suspicious, cynical and experienced operator would have done anything more than make it clear what his attitudes would be, nothing more being necessary. He would have regarded it as too risky to do any positive planning or organising that anyone could tell of later. Of course one can think of all sorts of hints he might have dropped.

    So…. I haven’t read anything that really proves that Oswald didn’t do it as the only shooter his killing by Jack Ruby is pretty telling. By contrast his claim to have been a patsy is easily explained by Cubans setting him up and letting him down, so, by no means conclusive.

    No doubt there will eventually be an account which nails it down with 99% probability….

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  180. Lee says:
    @WIzard of Oz

    W of O said:

    Why was inspection such a big deal? It certainly doesn’t point to an assassination.

    No, it sure doesn’t suggest any reason for Israel to want JFK dead.When facts don’t fit your narrative then you simply have to change the “facts” so that they do.

    Keeping US/Israel relations on good terms would be important for a country that had 6 of its neighbors attack it just 15 years prior.You certainly don’t accomplish this goal by killing/or helping to get killed one of the most popular US presidents in the last 100 years.

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
    • LOL: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  181. @Lee

    That tended to be the line I took for a time when Israel was weak and particularly vulnerable without the West Bank and Golan Heights. But it is worth reading Piper’s Chapter 7 in one of the free forms readily available on line to spark one’s imagination about what terrorists like Ben Gurion and Shamir *might* have got up to. Another niggling question has crossed my mind. Oswald was a necessary part of any plot. How was he found and how set up to play his part, whatever it was? Missing as far as I know, is any evidence of the Mossad-Oswald connection direct or indirect. OK the CIA would have some knowledge of Oswald. So the Mossad plotters might be told that Oswald could well be conned into trying to kill Kennedy and should be manoeuvred into getting a job in a suitable building and duchessed by Cubans etc. But the etc is a pretty big story to fill out. Evidence? Names? I haven’t checked Oswald’s Texas dates compared with the announcement if the Kennedy visit and announcement of his route….

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  182. @Theophrastus

    I replied at what, for the moment, is #185.

  183. billb says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Israel and the US have a record of not using nukes”

    The US has a record both of using and frequently threatening use of nuclear weapons.

    “All options are on the table” (George W. Bush).

    “That includes every weapon we have” (Truman).

    “The threat of U.S. nuclear use was passed to the North Koreans back in 1995”

    Eisenhower’s threats convinced China they needed to develop nuclear weapons.

    Baker later explained that he “purposely left the impression that the use of chemical or biological agents by Iraq would invite tactical nuclear retaliation.”

    That does not include threats, overt and veiled such as flying nuclear-capable bombers on a course towards a foreign population center, made regarding Cuba, Libya and in other cases.

    After the 1991 Gulf War, the former deputy defense minister of India concluded, “Never negotiate with the United States unless you have a nuclear weapon.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  184. @Alfred

    As to your second numbered point, let me help you not to put arguments so weak that they undermine your position.

    How many people die each year from health disorders that even they hardly were aware of and certainly didn’t think of as serious? Hundreds of thousands at least. Think aneurysms and thromboses just for starters.

    Also it is naive to suppose that, if the ambassador were aware of a latent problem that he would not cover it up in some way.

    • Troll: Alfred, Theophrastus
  185. @JamesinNM

    May I suggest that you switch your brain on before again writing anything as obviously dopey as your last sentence. Or maybe you did mean to say that nations, no matter how small and weak should all have lots of weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them and also protect them?

  186. @billb

    I see I am probably wrong, strictly speaking, to say Israel and the US didn’t threaten use of nukes but I can see why the theocratic rulers of Iran probably create genuine fear in Israel. True Iran probably wouldn’t nuke Jerusalem or most of the West Bank but even getting bolder in what they would dare get Hezbollah and Hamas to do would be a pretty excruciating problem for Israel.

  187. @Alfred

    Here’s the strangest case of a diplomat’s suicide.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/officials-serbian-ambassador-nato-jumps-his-death-belgium-flna1c7439349

    This Serbian Ambassador to NATO was chatting away on the roof of a car park at Brussels airport and then just walked over to the edge and jumped off in front of those he was with. Sounds incredible.

    • Agree: Alfred
  188. geokat62 says:

    … more shared values:

    • Thanks: Iris, Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  189. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    I’m pretty sure the US military didn’t think the Iranians couldn’t shoot it down because it ‘flies too high.’ Even medium-range surface to air missiles [SAMs], like the Russian BUK, can easily reach targets at 20 to 30 km height, which is higher than the MQ4’s 18 km flight ceiling [about 60,000 ft]. Long range SAMs like S300/400 can go a lot higher yet, even exo-atmospheric.

    They simply were playing chicken and figured that the Iranians wouldn’t shoot it down if it strayed a bit into their territorial airspace. They guessed wrong.

    Some of the Northrop Grumman MQ4 wreckage displayed by the Iranians, carbon fiber airframe construction is visible.

    The era of height as a defense ended more than 60 years ago when the Russians brought down Gary Powers’ Lockheed U2 spy plane. They shot down another one over Cuba during the 1962 missile crisis, as well as a Taiwanese U2 shot down by the PRC in 1965. All of those brought down with the big Russian S75 SAM that also brought down a lot of US aircraft in Vietnam, including over 30 B52 strategic bombers, which are still in service today.

    U-2C 56-6691 wreckage restored and on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People’s Revolution, Beijing

    I suspect the RQ4/ MQ4 [naval version] can go higher than the listed spec of 60,000 ft. These have a longer span than the U2 which can actually go higher than 70,000 ft. Long span being key to getting high into the atmosphere where the air is very thin.

    The RQ4/MQ4 is really quite a cutting-edge aircraft. It’s really designed to fulfill the role of the U2, which is intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance [ISR]…although the venerable U2 continues in service. Both are single-engine jets weighing about 15 to 20 tons, but the main limitation of the U2 has always been the pilot. The thin air at 70,000 ft requires a 70-pound fully pressurized space suit, otherwise your blood will boil at the very low atmospheric air pressure that is only about one twentieth that at sea level.

    Another thing is that the U2 is difficult to fly at that height because of the very small margin between aerodynamic stall and airframe overspeed [exceeding critical Mach number]. The pilot is flying at the edge in between those two limits, for up to an eight hour mission. That is simply the physical consequence of the thin air.

    The UAV takes the pilot out of the loop and can stay aloft for much longer, but even so the pilot flying it remotely still faces the same very tight stall/overspeed ‘box’, which is known as coffin corner.

    So the U2 continues to play a role. Lay people who think UAVs are just going to take over simply don’t understand how aeronautics works.

    Global Hawk parked on ramp and hooked up to ground power unit. It has a high wing aspect ratio for efficiency, a single Rolls-Royce AE 3007 turbofan on top with the exhaust between its V-tail, and a front bulge housing its satellite antenna.

    Lockheed U2 in flight.

    It should be underlined that Iran has developed industrially by leaps and bounds. The country graduates as many engineers as the US, with just one quarter the population. Its precision missiles have shown themselves to be formidable with that attack on the US base last year. The US has no chance of intercepting those, and those are actually far from the latest generation of missiles. Iran deliberately used the shorter range and earlier technology missiles, so as not to reveal the true capabilities of their most advanced stuff.

    It should be noted that this impressive industrial and academic progress is due to Iran’s socialist economy, where the state plays an active role in building industry and education. The country’s military capability is already impressive and is only going to grow.

    • Agree: Jazman
  190. Jazman says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Do not forget 1997 and how Hezbo wiped out Israel elite unit Flotila 13

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  191. Alfred says:

    Do not forget 1997 and how Hezbo wiped out Israel elite unit Flotila 13

    It is quite difficult to find this piece of information about Flotila 13. Do a search on Google and you will see what I mean. Clearly, they are not very proud of what happened. I ended up using DuckDuckGo.com

    To me, it seems that the Israelis were not encrypting the transmissions from their drones. They assumed that they were dealing with “ragheads”. Furthermore, they did not know that the Lebanese were keeping track of the paths of these drones.

    The ragheads only had to place IED’s in a limited number of places and leave peasants to keep a watch on them. One of these groups of peasants struck it lucky.

    “The forces Hezbollah stationed for the ambushes were second-grade militants. These weren’t its best fighters as the operation was deep inside Lebanon, beyond our frontline with Hezbollah. One of those ambushes was stationed in an area Hezbollah estimated had a high probability—based on the leak—the force will come through. The ambush heard and saw the force coming and set off from afar, at the same time, two small Claymore explosives that hit the main body of the force—11 commandos who were preparing to cross the road that was connecting the villages of Ansariya and Loubieh.

    What really went wrong in botched 1997 Shayetet 13 operation?

    Today, the Lebanese are vastly more advanced in every way – and much more numerous and experienced. Thank you Israel for the training you arranged for them in Syria. 🙂

    • Replies: @Jazman
  192. gatobart says:
    @FB

    The era of height as a defense ended more than 60 years ago when the Russians brought down Gary Powers’ Lockheed U2 spy plane.

    There is a good case having made by some that the U2 piloted by Gary Powers was actually brought down by the same people who sent it flying over the USSR, the CIA, and not because of the Russians having reached such technological peaks in aerial defense at that time. A simple provocation by the usual suspects to sabotage a crucial summit coming soon between Khrushchev and Eisenhower, one in which they would discuss world peace and arms control. Of course after the U2 was shot down an indignant Kremlin cancelled the summit The fact is that in preparation of this important summit Eisenhower had ordered all U2 flights over the USSR suspended in a gesture of good will. But the CIA sent Powers anyway in a U2 that was meant to have engine failure and crash on Soviet soil, which would be interpreted by the world as the craft having been brought down by Soviet AA fire. Some have said even that Powers was supposed to kill himself by ingesting a lethal pill, which they say U2 pilots were meant to do if shot down, but that he didn’t have the guts to do it and so he rather surrendered. One element in favor of this story is the fact that as the result of this incident a crucial imminent, meeting between the two superpowers never happened. Also, if the U2 had just gone and came back intact from its flight there would have been little reason for anyone calling the summit off.

    • Replies: @FB
  193. The possibility of Israel engaging in a false flag is very high. It has not been proven but the last alleged gas attack by Assad was carried out by jihadists with the support of Israel. It came just a few days after Trump said he was pulling troops out of Syria with Netanyahu arguing with Trump over their withdrawal . Then: Poof! Another conflict in the middle east will be catastrophic for this country as divided as we are. It will be even worse for Jews here that support Israel and have been pushing us towards war with Iran for decades and in Israel .

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  194. FB says: • Website
    @gatobart

    There is a good case having made by some that the U2 piloted by Gary Powers was actually brought down by the same people who sent it flying over the USSR, the CIA…

    Nonsense.

    The Russians shot down a second U2 in 1962 over Cuba.

    Maj. Rudolf Anderson Jr. was shot down and killed over Cuba during the October 1962 crisis. He was flying a U-2 from McCoy AFB, Fla., and was brought down by a Soviet S75 missile.

    I already mentioned the Taiwanese U2 shot down in 1965 by the same S75 missile. That was Chang Liyi [aka Jack Chang], who survived the shootdown, but was held by the Chinese for 17 years.

    Chang Liyi with wife and two children.

    The US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam, a lot of them to the same S75 SAM [Nato Designation SA2].

    There is no way to sabotage a jet engine so that it will conk out midflight. That’s just a ridiculous story that no professional airman could believe. If there was anything wrong with the engine it would be spotted during runup and engine start checklist before even attempting the takeoff roll.

    I should add here that the U2 is primarily a camera ship. It’s sensors are mainly very fine optical equipment that can take pictures on a sideways slant for zeveral dozen miles, far longer than the national airspace which is only 12 nautical miles from the legal border. The RQ4/MQ4 has the same basic mission.

    Both aircraft continually upload their digital imagery directly to overhead satellites. When the U2 was upgraded for the digital sat system, it received a bulbous antenna on top of the fuselage:

    U2 pilots jokingly call these ‘Polish drop tanks,’ since they look like an auxiliary fuel tank, but are mounted on top. Getting good imagery of sensitive enemy territory is highly important of course, and even the excellent resolution from imaging sats cannot match the imagery taken at this much lower height.

    • Agree: Jazman
  195. @NightTrain

    The Syrian Government has committed NO ‘gas attacks’. They have ALL been false flags by the salafist butchers, aided and abetted by their Western and Saudi. Turkish, UAE etc, patrons. And ‘Assad’ does nothing-the moronic US tendency to replace a country with its leader, for better hate-mongering purposes, is nauseating.

  196. @Jazman

    Never heard of it until now. I won’t gloat, as people died, even Israel Death Forces thugs, but Israel created Hezbollah through their own perfidy and racism, so its a scourge that will, hopefully, destroy the abomination that is Israel as it currently exists. The Jews can do better, or at least the better ones can. Imagine a Jewish-Palestinian condominium and a Near Eastern Zone of Peace and Prosperity. And it would end the necessity for Jewish Fifth Columns in the West to control Western politics through threats and bribery. The Chinese might force the issue.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  197. @geokat62

    Hardly a specimen of a master race. Of ‘Gods Upon the Earth’ he looks a good deal less than impressive. But the manifestation of the central core of Judaism, hatred, is pretty convincing.

  198. gatobart says:

    Maj. Rudolf Anderson Jr. was shot down and killed over Cuba during the October 1962 crisis. He was flying a U-2 from McCoy AFB, Fla., and was brought down by a Soviet S75 missile.

    Wow. Talk about disinformation. I remember having watched not long ago a very serious TV documentary about the Cuban missile crisis of 1962 where the martyred U2 pilot happened to be…a Latino! We are even shown the man saying Goodbye to his family, his Latino wife and kids and then going to meet his final fate and then the honors bestowed on him by the government. And this was a documentary! of the crisis, not even a movie about it. I mean, disinformation is all over when it come to this matters, specially when the US government and the CIA are involved (We lie, the cheat, we steal, Mike Pompeo, former CIA director; “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William J. Casey, CIA Director) so even if this is what the official version says now I rather keep my skepticism when it comes to who that U2 pilot was. After all, this is the same people who told us that a former Marine who couldn’t shoot “sh..” as his own former comrades said, was able to achieve impossible shots when killing a president,the same people who told us that a Vietnamese sampan fired on a USS destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin, that a caveman was able to fool the entire military and intelligence apparatus of the U.S. from a cave in Afghanistan and that Basher el Assad was gassing his own people when he had already won the war against those who were murdering this same people.

    I mean, at this point in time, anything and everything that your U.S., government tells us is highly suspect because there is a very high probability that it is just another lie (like there was NO massive electoral fraud in the 2020 presidential elections for example)

    And how do we know these two pilots even exist, if they are even real persons, I mean their identity as stated by the official accounts. They could be regular guys, accountants or car salesmen who had their picture taken to serve this purpose? We just don’t know, all i know is that the CIA does this kinds of risk, regularly. But this here is pure bullshit:

    “There is no way to sabotage a jet engine so that it will conk out midflight. That’s just a ridiculous story that no professional airman could believe. If there was anything wrong with the engine it would be spotted during runup and engine start checklist before even attempting the takeoff roll”

    Which shows you don’t know what you are talking about. There are many ways to sabotage aircraft and helicopters so they may crash while on flight and they have been used many times, specially the second, most notably against people such as former Panamanian dictator Omar Torrijos and other notables. Also, you have to be pretty dumb if you think that after sabotaging a U2, the CIAs in charge of the operation are going to allow anyone else not in the loop sticking their noses in it. If you think the only way to sabotage a plane is to do something to its engine. then you really don’t know a thing. (maybe you ignore this, but there are many other ways, like sending it with half a fuel tank while tampering with the gauge to show it full, or partially cutting a fuel or oil supply line, etc, etc) I am not even in that field an I do know that. Once upon a time a Canadian airliner took off from one province in Canada with its fuel tank apparently full and yet it found itself with it completely empty in mid flight. That was the time when they were changing systems from English to Metric and there was some confusion when they filled the tank in English and the gauge showed the amount of fuel in Metric, or the opposite. That is enough for me to know that if these things happen by accident they could be made happen intentionally very easily. In any case, you dont seem to know much about the subject.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Alfred
  199. gatobart says:

    In any case, that the Soviet Union was able or not at the time to shoot down U2s is irrelevant after all (and maybe I shouldn’t have even emphasized this point) as the plan was to have the U2 brought down in Soviet air space one way or another. If it wasn’t brought down by a Soviet rocket then the sabotage of its equipment would act as an insurance policy. The idea was to make abort the incoming Khrushchev-Eisenhower summit as I said.

    • Thanks: GMC
  200. FB says: • Website

    In any case, you dont seem to know much about the subject.

    Look friend, you’ve obviously got a screw or two loose. As a professional aeronautical engineer and pilot I know plenty about the subject.

    You’re the one who said that the CIA sabotaged Powers’ ENGINE. I simply pointed out that that is nonsense, and not actually practical.

    The Canadian passenger jet that ran out of fuel over the Atlantic had nothing to do with metric units. It was a maintenance error where the wrong part was installed in the fuel system. That was Air Transat Flight 236—you can read about it here.

    As for sabotaging a U2, that would be ridiculous. Each pilot has his own maintenance crew chief and crew. There is a very tight camaraderie and loyalty there, and I cannot imagine any circumstance that somebody could fiddle with the airplane in any way and that it would not be caught on inspection.

    You have absolutely zero clue what is involved in a pre-flight inspection do you? Please stop bothering me with your paranoid nonsense. I suggest you seek professional help.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @GMC
  201. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why would the end of Israel mean the end of Jews?

    Gee Wiz —- why have you penned 11,000 comments and nearly 1,000,000 words – mostly making excuses for bad Jew behavior. You must think that there is something to fear. Perhaps you should be asking yourself that question.

    I believe that the Jews who have betrayed their resident countries, in favor of Israel – should be ostracized – be shunned – and be pushed to leave.

    p.s. May I remind you that my judgement is a small minority opinion.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  202. Phibbs says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel does not threaten to use nukes? Thanks for the laugh, Wizard, The Jews have threatened to go nuclear several times.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  203. anarchyst says:
    @FB

    There is only a 4 miles per hour margin between stall speed and airframe overspeed limits, a very small margin of error indeed.

    • Replies: @FB
  204. @Wizard of Oz

    So…. I haven’t read anything that really proves that Oswald didn’t do it as the only shooter his killing by Jack Ruby is pretty telling. By contrast his claim to have been a patsy is easily explained by Cubans setting him up and letting him down, so, by no means conclusive.

    The glaring run-on sentence aside, it seems that you will continue believing the official story, because that’s what your handlers pay you for. Oswald had nothing to do with JFK’s murder, and neither did the Cubans: both entities were simply convenient scapegoats, just like Assad gassing his own people is a convenient lie to pin on a designated bad guy.

    That you “easily explain” the Cubans setting Oswald up reminds me very much of the most common error in mathematics: hand-waving, which is employed when the speaker doesn’t understand something completely, and resorts instead to stating that “clearly, it follows…” or “it is obvious that…”. If it is so obvious, then some simple reasoning and evidence should suffice.

    That you invoke this tired old saw reveals that it is nothing more than hot air. It is rather similar to this:

    “Sentence first, verdict afterward!”

    Time to cease paying attention to your little man behind the curtain, especially because your clear implication is that you are the great and powerful….blah blah blah.

    Another one on the Ignore list.

    GFY, Wizzy Boy, and your Tel Aviv owners as well.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  205. @Art

    I understand that you are saying what you think ought to happen but that doesn’t tell us why you think it will happen.

  206. @Phibbs

    I suppose I should be flattered that you read me but you missed #192 which would perhaps have moderated your impulse to reply.

  207. FB says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    It depends on the altitude, and also the weight. The higher you go, the smaller the envelope. At 75,000 ft its going to be a little more than that, just under ten knots, which could be overcome by a gust or a an updraft etc., or even a very shallow banking turn. That’s really as high as you want to go. Here’s the graph for the U2:

    Notice that at 75,000 ft you have just under 10 knots. But go up just another thousand feet and the two lines meet. Obviously you’re not going to be able to maintain control there. Also note that at higher weight that critical altitude gets lower.

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  208. @Theophrastus

    Your low intelligence is reflected in your asserting a connection between me and Zionists and your lack of common sense in exposing yourself with a long effusion only at this point and when missing the point.

    You picked up the typing error that caused what you call my “run on sentence”, but apparently didn’t notice that I was asserting or conceding that Jack Ruby’s connections did support the Mossad-planned-it version. Moreover you don’t seem to understand the nuances of English very well. My reference to Oswald alleged ly sating he was a patsy being explicable was merely a way of saying that commonly quoted complaint has no weight having regard to a perfectly coherent and fact-based (at least in large part) account of Oswald’s dealings with Cubans. Indeed there seems to be much more known about his dealings with Cubans than anything at all concerning connection to those you claim to be confident you know were part of the conspiracy. You need to find evidence of that if you don’t want the lone wolf theory to linger. It is of course an example of your slack literacy that you make such an absurd statement as “Oswald had NOTHING to do with JFK’s assassination” . Apparently you don’t think he said that he was a patsy!

  209. Comment 207 by Art nailed you:

    why have you penned 11,000 comments and nearly 1,000,000 words – mostly making excuses for bad Jew behavior.

    As for the “lone wolf”theory: that was created by Allen Dulles to deflect attention away from the plot.

    Also, I gambled that you’d react predictably when I purposely made this simplistic statement:

    Oswald has nothing to do with JFK’s murder

    It was a gambit: let’s see if I say something that denies Oswald’s own admission to being a patsy; let’s see if he’ll bite. And you did: you swallowed it whole and responded with the predicted guttersniping.

    is of course an example of your slack literacy that you make such an absurd statement as “Oswald had NOTHING to do with JFK’s assassination” . Apparently you don’t think he said that he was a patsy!

    Clearly, your owners have trained you to expect low-brow retorts, and that’s what the trap was for: to expose this. If you were actually to read all of Piper’s magnum opus (as in fact others have already suggested), then you’d be forced to admit that all your excuses for bad jew behaviour are exactly that. Except that you wouldn’t, of course: you’d simply double down, over and over, for a million words, as has already been pointed out.

    You people are getting desperate. I’m so glad. Good riddance.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  210. gatobart says:
    @FB

    As a professional aeronautical engineer and pilot I know plenty about the subject.

    Yeah, like you cannot be all that and a moron at the same time. As a former engineering student and later as a civil engineer I can say that there are a lot of people in the engineering profession that are complete imbeciles when taken out of their technical/scientific comfort zone. I am sure that for the last five decades there have been thousands upon thousands of “American professional aeronautical engineers and pilots” who actually believe that:

    a) Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK using a relic, an early XX century Italian carbine, performing incredible shots that no world class marksman or sniper has ever been able to reproduce, not even using stationary targets.

    b) The 911 event was planned by a loony Muslim in the caves of Afghanistan and was carried out by a bunch of 15 Middle East dudes with nothing more than cardboard cutters (nine of which BTW were found alive and well in the days after in the Middle East and who were nightly surprised when told of what they had done and that they should be dead anyway).

    c) That the Vietcong sent one of its sampans to attack a USS destroyer for no reason in Tonkin.

    d) Also, about 911, that a can made of light aluminum could be able to impact a thick wall of steel and reinforced concrete at hundreds of miles/hour, perpendicular to it, and that it can go through it like a hot knife through butter. without even losing speed…! Also, that a collapsing building can fall as fast as a freely falling object in Earth’s gravitational field.

    e) That the Vietcong, the Sandinistas and the Castrists had to be crushed wherever it took, even nuclear war, otherwise they would be invading and taking over the continental U.S. (Believe or not, Ronald Reagan spoke many times of his fear of seeing the Sandinists invading Texas…!)

    And you are wrong also about the example of the Canadian aircraft which ran out of fuel anyway. You are referring to that piloted by Captain Robert Piche, who made it land on the Azores.

    “The primary cause of the incident was improper maintenance, caused by an incorrect part installed in the hydraulics system, resulting in the fuel leak”

    But I take this example anyway as it is good also. Fuel Leak is all I need as proof of my point. In any case I was referring to this other case, also of a Canadian airliner, as told by the NYT.

    JET’S FUEL RAN OUT AFTER METRIC CONVERSION ERRORS
    July 30, 1983.

    Both cases confirm my point, that aircraft pilots are perfectly capable of flying their planes for hundreds of miles without realizing that they are running out of fuel, until they notice they have nothing left, and that could happen as well by accident as also by stated purpose. So I rest my case.

    In the end, your entire posts look more like a propaganda pamphlet than anything else so I wont give it more value than it deserves, i.e. none. In any case, I didn’t say I believe the story. All I said is that there are people making a good case for it, specially considering the fact that a) the CIA blatantly disobeyed the order by Eisenhower to stop all U2 flights (maybe the true reason why he referred later so bitterly to the MIC) and b) by an amazing coincidence the U2 is shot down right when Eisenhower and Khrushchev were about to meet, with the probably result of big cuts for the military budget of both superpowers, Yeah, right, all it happened just by an amazing coincidence…!

    And that is all she said. I am through with this little U2 debate. Over.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  211. geokat62 says:

    Laura Towler’s Husband Arrested & Home Raided:

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  212. Mike-SMO says:

    Dont be simple minded. The early kibutz Jews were Ashkenazi and had many Socialist/Bolshevik participants. They have been relegated to the “Opposition” minority in Israel.

    Israel (thew Nation) has to be alert to anything that the Persians (Iran) may be up along with the Biden puppet masters.

    Israel (1948) is not the Israel of 2021. Likewise, the America of 2021 is not the America of the post-WWII period. Both are dangerous but are “not the same”. Both Israel and”Amedrica” have interests that or may not coincide. (today)

    Watch “current events”, not the propaganda from the past.

    “The times; they are a changin’” Just sayin.’

  213. @Theophrastus

    Why cannot someone as stupid as you at least learn to shut up when I comment as you said you would above(i.e. “ignore”) instead of writing ever longer demonstrations of your limitations?

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  214. GMC says:
    @FB

    I flew planes for over 20 years, worked on them too – and read that report and stopped after a few sentences. – tell me – how does a bad part in the hydraulic system make a leak in the fuel system ? I never saw a system that connected with the Fuel system other than pumps, tanks and auxiliary components. Hydraulics could take down the plane , if their wasn’t a back up system for steering , flaps, elevators, rudder etc. The other dude has a good point. Thanks.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @FB
  215. They’ve been false-flagging for years, from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, to al-Assad’s Syria. Al-Assad in particular has been a source of their ire because he’s a Pan-Arab Syrian Nationalist who is trying to maintain his nation’s stability from terrorist vermin.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  216. FB says: • Website
    @GMC

    It was the wrong part for the hydraulic system, and the problem was that because of its incorrect size or shape it interfered with a fuel line that was in close proximity, eventually chafing through the fuel line and causing the leak.

    Have you ever looked under the nacelle of a turbofan engine? Space is definitely at a premium and there are many lines for many different systems close to each other. The hydraulic system worked fine with that wrong part, just the cut fuel line was the problem.

    And no, the other clown doesn’t have any point. The Powers U2 shootdown is well documented. The location of the S75 unit that brought his plane down was right under his flight path. A Soviet MiG19 was also brought down by friendly fire. Was that also caused by fuel running out?

    Look, anybody can jump up and say anything they like without presenting a single shred of evidence. Where is the evidence that Powers was not in fact shot down?

    You obviously don’t have any idea how the U2 program works. It is one of the most prestigious assignments you can get. Only one in 500 pilot applicants are accepted. This goes also for maintenance crews, who are the cream of the crop. The security is super-tight and the competence level throughout the chain of personnel is on another level—as it has to be considering the incredible technical challenges of such flights. Running for more than 60 years, the U2 community only a couple of years ago celebrated the milestone of the 1,500’th pilot in the program. That’s second only to the astronaut program in exclusivity.

    The idea of a U2 pilot running out of fuel is pure idiocy. So is the idea of any kind of sabotage that would only kick in precisely midway through his flight.

    It is simply idiotic to point to a passenger jet that ran out of fuel—one or two such cases in literally millions of flights—and say, ‘well there you go, that’s what actually happened.’

    Commercial airline service is nowhere near the maintenance standards of even an ordinary fighter squadron, much less the U2 program. And even so these kinds of mishaps are so rare that they are virtually insignificant. For instance in that one that the other clown mentioned, that was the infamous ‘Gimli Glider’ incident, which was Air Canada flight 143.

    This was hardly a case of just a bad fuel gauge. If you know anything about flying passenger jets, then you know that the captain signs off on the fuel paperwork that tells exactly how much fuel WEIGHT has been put in the plane. This is key to computing the aircraft weight and balance, which, as you would know even from flying bushplanes in Alaska, is a must procedure. The popular press reports on that, and even the wikipedia article do not go into this detail and just simplify it to bad fuel gauges or a jumbling of units.

    However, the units error was the last in a series of failures that aligned in a Swiss cheese model to cause the accident.

    This website unfortunately seems to attract a lot of flakes who want to make a lot of noise without actually knowing anything.

    • Thanks: GMC
  217. Jazman says:
    @Alfred

    I have video of what happened
    Hezbo is no joke and Israhell do not like fighting them

  218. gatobart says:
    @FB

    This website unfortunately seems to attract a lot of flakes who want to make a lot of noise without actually knowing anything.

    Something you should write on your wall just above the mirror.

    I never pretended to know the first thing about aeronautics or about the U2 program, pea brain. In the future DO TRY to understand what people write, Mister aeronautical engineer and pilot. All I wrote is that there is case being made by people who should know more than myself about the subject, that the U2 piloted by Gary Powers had been sent by the CIA, blatantly disobeying President Eisenhower’s express orders not to fly them anymore until the programmed summit with Premier Khrushchev, with the intention of making it crash on Soviet soil to sabotage a meeting that could have had for result a dramatic cutting in the military budgets of both superpowers. Anyone with a scintilla of a brain cell inside of his skull and with a basic understanding of Cold War politics would find some good sense in this idea, not only because we all know of what the CIA is capable (like killing one their own is gonna stop them…! How many of their own the U.S. government killed in Vietnam, wasn’t that 58.000…?) but also because at that point both Eisenhower and Khrushchev seemed really intended on doing that, just like it happened with Reagan and Gorbachev only two decades later. But as I say, you may well be a self glorified aeronautical engineer and pilot and at the same time a complete imbecile incapable of understanding anything about world politics, the ugly, wet things going on inside the corridors of powers and inside most if not all intelligence agencies. We lie, we cheat, we steal, said Mike Pompeo, and I have no doubt all that lying and cheating was meant for people like you, living in their own fantasy bubble made out of Hollywood movies and US government propaganda pamphlets.

  219. gatobart says:
    @FB

    And Mister aeronautical engineer and experienced pilot, if you are SO knowledgeable on the aeronautical field and so understanding of its secrets can you answer me this simple question under the condition that if you cannot give me and the rest of us a satisfactory answer you will have to accept that you are a complete idiot who doesn’t even know the difference between his own butt and his elbow…?

    How come that the dark, almost black, windowless, aircraft who many witnesses saw the morning of 911 in New York City flying towards the Twin Towers, aircraft carrying also some torpedo-shaped object under its belly, which is all indisputable as there are videos in Youtube showing these images and also the testimonies of many people,….how in the world these black windowless planes who many described even on camera as military, turned out later to be just regular airliners, like the one you and me and everyone else use for travel, carrying hundreds of people aboard them. Can you explain me that, Mister aeronautical engineer…?

  220. @Wizard of Oz

    Because you are so arrogantly stupid that you actually think you’re smart, and that makes you super-stupid, and this is something that many others here have also shoved down your stupid throat.

    You will double-down, over and over, for a million words. That’s what you do, troll.

  221. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    θεόφραστος ! Oh what a pretentious moniker for one lacking even the elements of irony in his clodhopping cerebrations!

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Theophrastus
  222. Iris says:
    @Anonymous

    Wizard of Oz posting under anonymous handle. Again.

    Come on, grow up Wizzi, this is a discussion forum, not a kindergarten,

    • Agree: Theophrastus
  223. @Anonymous

    Can’t help but notice that the little man behind the curtain (and it really is behind the curtain this time; the anonymous comment shows this) has gotten very angry, very angry indeed, when it (sic) was exposed, back in comment 207, that it had used a million words to excuse bad jew behavior.

    So of course it has to deflect attention away from this stubborn fact.

    Γάμησέ τον!

  224. Tim too says:
    @FB

    You know what Prouty said about it? He had an explanation for the engine outage.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  225. gatobart says:
    @Tim too

    Thank you for reminding me of it:

    “In 1960, the Secret Team, terrified that President Eisenhower was coming to terms with the USSR, resolved that there must be no peace. A surefire plan was needed to destruct the upcoming summit conference. What better way to show American bad faith than by arranging for a US “spy” plane to be forced down over the USSR on the Russian’s most important national holiday”

    “Three or four moles in the Pentagon, doing the bidding of their masters, flashed coded signals across the world to send out a lone U-2 plane on one of the longest and most impossible missions ever attempted by a U-2 — a 3,900-mile journey from Peshawar, Pakistan across the Soviet Union to Bodo, on the northern tip of Norway. These men’s actions neatly bypassed the entire ultra-secret system and launched a plane that had been rigged to come down in the heart of the USSR on one of its most important holidays, May Day. Thus were destroyed the summit conference and Eisenhower’s Crusade for Peace.”

    “Contrary to all reports, that U-2 was not on a spy mission. It was not even flown by a spy. Powers’ identification papers — and he was loaded with them — proved to his captors that he was a pilot working for the U.S. Air Force. He carried no CIA documents. With his Air Force ID and his uniform, military-type pressure suit, there was no evidence to indicate he was a spy. He looked like any other Air Force pilot. Why then was he promptly labeled a spy? What was Powers doing over the heart of the Soviet Union on May Day, and just before the most important summit conference of all?”

    THE SABOTAGING OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY
    by Fletcher Prouty.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  226. @gatobart

    Good job, persevering wuth your argument.

    I agree completely.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  227. gatobart says:
    @Theophrastus

    Thanks. But I do it because it is the truth, not for any political reason. After all this is just an almost forgotten episode among many in the Cold War. Anyway, it doesn’t make any sense that the CIA would send an U2 carrying inadequate surveillance gear to spy on sensible installations on the USSR without presidential authorization, exactly during the most sacred date for Communists all over the world and right before a summit in Moscow where both leaders had good chances of getting substantial cuts for their military budgets.

  228. Alfred says:
    @gatobart

    FB is an expert in many things, but sabotage of aircraft is not one of them I am glad to say. 🙂

    It is amazing how quickly those helicopter and aircraft “accidents” disappear from the media. It is almost a common occurrence. I am sure the security people of most countries can arrange it.

    Here is a case where the Australians did not want massive iron ore deposits in West Africa to be exploited. Australia plans to export $100bn of iron ore this year. Plenty of motivation there. 🙂

    It is a heck of a lot easier than poisoning someone with Polonium or anything like that.

    The plane carrying the entire board of the Sundance Resources mining company went missing over thick jungle on Saturday on a flight from Yaounde, Cameroon’s capital, to Yangadou in Congo-Brazzaville.

    Mining executives confirmed dead in African plane crash (2010)

  229. The Dallas Jack Whack was the all-time biggest Jew coup d’etat. The Second King of the Jews (as I have tagged him), the aged Bernard Baruch and his XO David Ben Gurion so smoothly managed that operation that 4 years later their binational successors had to blow up the USS LIBERTY with impunity in order to teach the Wall Street “white shoes”, the Pentagon br-asshats and the Congressional clowns –as well as the rest of the world– who was now running the show in the Jew S.A. with LBJ as their front man. BTW the 54th anniversary of that historic attack is 27 days from the moment of this writing.

    In plain English we can better call what is formally styled as the “USGov” as JAR for “JewAmerican Regime” (variant for international purposes = JAPE for “–Planetary Empire”). Two linked torches serve to illuminate this blazing global reality: GM’14 (Gaza Massacre) in which Israeli PM Netanyahu slew some 2100 Gazans, including ~550 children, helpless prisoners all, and his quasi-divine appearance before a joint session of the U.S. Congress six months later on March 3rd. This unique ceremonial honor was sweetened with a promise of $38,000,000,000 [thirty-eight billion dollars] in additional tribute to the Jew State. Both the honoree of רמת טראמפ and Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden are, of course, utter jootools.

    Now how shall we best apply Alexander Pope’s iconic line from 1733? That we the NAGIM –Normal, Alias “Gentile”, IMmensity– will mightily shake ourselves to throw off the monster that even at this moment is spending Merkin money to shoot down more children in Palestine?

    • Thanks: Iris
  230. Poco says:
    @9593

    I believe you’re referring to General Wesley Clark, not Petraeus.

  231. geokat62 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    MK Tom Cotton is a traitorous Shabbos goy.

  232. Anonymous[380] • Disclaimer says:

    You need to know who is president. Biden certainly isn’t. Once you find out who is running the country you can answer the question. In my opinion there are way too many Zionists in that administration to wonder whether whoever is running the country will stand up to Israel. Who in any of the three branches of government would not do Israel’s bidding?

  233. annamaria says:

    The real courage, of Irish origin. The US does not make such men anymore:
    Turn on sound:

  234. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Zionist Israel was “morphed” into being in 1948 at the cost of tens of millions of innocent Germans, Poles, Italians, Frenchmen, Americans and the always perfidious British.

    You’re leaving out Russians?

  235. RobinG says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Okay, what does Erdogan have against Assad?

  236. @FB

    Yes I was aware of the U2 shoot downs by Russia and the PRC… Well I guess they were just playing chicken. And yeah – I don’t think many in the US know how many engineers there are in Iran. You would think they would since many ended up in California after the Revolution. I guess they think ALL of them left…
    On another note – How much does Iran collaborate with Russia on defense tech?

  237. mevashir says:

    You can’t share the Holy Land with Muslims because their religion is antithetical to Judeo-Christianity.

    i posted this comment on the VT anti-Israeli website:

    “It all began when Israel began removing Palestinian families from homes they have owned for generations so that Jewish retirees from New Jersey could live in kleenex box condos near the streets where Jesus was dragged to his death.”

    This is a pretty funny comment, but unfortunately the Muslims who infest the Holy Land don’t believe Jesus was dragged to his death, crucified or died at all. Their unreligion denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. So it’s amazing that Catholics like Jonas Alexis automatically take their side in this conflict.

    The only reason anyone cares about the Muslims is because it’s painful to watch their humiliation day after day in a slow motion strangulation by the Israelis. But that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be booted wholesale out of the Holy Land that they defile with their depraved distortions of biblical truth and Christian history.

    Remember: the Jews were allowed to return to the Holy Land as compensation for the Holocaust and to serve as operators and managers of the Holy Land biblical theme park on behalf of global Christendom. The Jews are there to finish off what the Crusaders began but were unable to complete.

    I read a book about Christopher Columbus and one of the purposes of his voyage to the West was to discover gold by which to finance a final crusade to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims. Columbus’ whole odyssey was undertaken with Islam in mind: first to find an alternative route to the Orient that would circumvent the overland Eurasian route under Muslim control and then to find the wealth by which to finance a final crusade against the Muslim presence in the Holy Land.

    The State of Israel was formed as compensation to the Jews for their travail in the Holocaust and to install them as managers and operators of the Holy Land on behalf of global Christendom. If you don’t understand that the Zionists are the tip of the spear for the continuing Christian crusade against Islam then you don’t understand anything.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • LOL: Iris
    • Troll: Theophrastus
  238. geokat62 says:
    @mevashir

    Judeo-Christianity

    Bahahaha!

  239. @Wizard of Oz

    So why not ask Oswald himself?
    Oh yes, he was murdered by “American businessman” “Jack Ruby”, who turns out to be Jacob Rubenstein. Of course, he was upset; he had no connection to Mossad, “israel”, or the conspiracy to murder Kennedy. It’s all pure coincidence, at least I think that’s how you spell it. (sarc off)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  240. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    But you can see how the Pals might find that difficult to accept. A gang of uglies steal your house and trash it. Years later you are invited to accept living in one room, while they keep the three-fourths they have stolen. Deal?

    https://nahidaexiledpalestinian.com/2012/04/28/palestine-a-moment-of-reflection/

  241. @FB

    Very good, FB. But you are forgetting about Pollards. The unforeseen danger. The keeper of the keys to the locks.

  242. @Badger Down

    Yes, I have made the point myself that Jack Ruby is probably the best well known reason for suspecting Israel.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  243. MEexpert says:

    The silence of the MSM on the current Israeli assault on the Palestinians and Hamas is deafening. When they do write, it is always about Israeli retaliation to Hamas’ “airstrikes.” I guess Iran must have created a Hamas Airforce with zero planes. Not only the MSM has lost all sense of professionalism, but all sense of humanity as well.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  244. @RobinG

    I don’t know what is between Assad and Erdogan. They are neighbours. Maybe they need bigger fences.
    I would guess Assad would prefer Turkey not backstab him. Erdogan, however, has the Americans’ on his case-they tried to run him out with a coup-and NATO. In addition, the U.S. uses a lot of currency pressure on Turkey. Erdogan probably has to set a fee things on fire once a week just to keep from losing it. Seriously, that part of the world, the pipelines, the backstabbing, the Jews; one massive shitstorm.
    I hope that helps.

  245. @mevashir

    Jews are the tip of the spear.
    That is the best I’ve ever heard. Next time I move into someones house, kill half the family and throw the rest out, I will tell them:’I’m the tip of the spear. You just don’t understand.’

  246. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    Actually, if radio counts, the BBC World Service gave a rather detailed and very fair summary/chronology last night. I’m sure the pro-Israelis hated it.

  247. @Wizard of Oz

    And the fact that they had Avraham Zapruder document the event…

  248. Alfred says:
    @mevashir

    You can’t share the Holy Land with Muslims because their religion is antithetical to Judeo-Christianity.

    BS

    There is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. The Jews killed Christ and that will never be forgotten.

    The Holy Land was retrieved from the European Crusaders by the Muslims. The Crusaders had happily murdered Christians who were not of their own variety – witness the Fourth Crusade when they sacked Constantinople.

    Fourth Crusade

    The Muslims tolerated and protected the indigenous Christians and Jews for centuries. The proof is that they had their own churches and synagogues during this period.

    Plenty of Palestinians are Christians in case you did not know. Currently, in Lebanon and Syria, the Christians support Hezbollah – a Muslim organisation. Many Christian villages have been saved from the mercenary headchoppers of the West and Israel by Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    • Thanks: Theophrastus
  249. As Netanyahu’s government struggles to stay in power, a war will help him. False Flagging fellow Jews is an option, i.e., report rockets launched from Syria, and Netanyahu gets his “Just” war. 👹

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/jordanian-protestors-passed-police-barrier-on-way-to-israel-border-668187

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  250. MEexpert says:
    @mevashir

    managers of the Holy Land biblical theme park on behalf of global Christendom.

    I suppose with attractions like Noah’s Ark ride, golden calf, parting the red sea, climb to the biblical mount, crucifixion of Christ, etc.

    Christopher Columbus and one of the purposes of his voyage to the West was to discover gold by which to finance a final crusade to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims. Columbus’ whole odyssey was undertaken with Islam in mind: first to find an alternative route to the Orient that would circumvent the overland Eurasian route under Muslim control and then to find the wealth by which to finance a final crusade against the Muslim presence in the Holy Land.

    That damn Columbus; couldn’t do anything right. Instead of finding gold, he found the Indians of the wrong kind.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  251. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    There you go! Tearing down his statues was right after all, lol.

  252. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Appears you were right!

    Thanks, Chuck.

    It’s a tried and tested formula. If you’re down in the polls and an election is looming… it’s a sure sign it’s time to mow the lawn again.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
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