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From Yahoo News:

Sailor Who ‘Hated’ Navy Torched \$1.2B Assault Ship: Warrant
Justin Rohrlich, Allison Quinn
Tue, August 3, 2021, 7:56 PM·5 min read

A 20-year-old sailor with a grudge against the U.S. Navy and a failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt is accused of setting an amphibious assault ship ablaze and singlehandedly costing the Navy \$30 million in damage.

According to an NCIS search warrant affidavit obtained by The Daily Beast, Ryan Sawyer Mays aroused the suspicions of investigators almost immediately after the 40,000-ton USS Bonhomme Richard went up in flames on July 12, 2020, burning for nearly five days and leaving dozens injured who were involved in extinguishing the ferocious blaze.

Mays, whose identity has not previously been revealed …

The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom, but perhaps it is by the standards of military justice.

Mays was identified by NCIS investigators after they interviewed some 177 sailors assigned to the Bonhomme Richard. One reported that he had seen a “light-skin male” in clean coveralls and a face mask carrying a metal bucket into the Lower V—the ship’s aft section—but didn’t recognize the person in question. But later, the sailor, named in the search warrant affidavit as Kenji Velasco, “did mention a sailor named Mays that ‘hates’ the U.S. Navy and the Fleet,” the filing states.

In further interviews, Velasco said he was “fairly sure” and “90% sure” he saw Mays descend into the Lower V before the fire broke out. He also noted that firefighting equipment in the area seemed to have been tampered with.

“Velasco further explained that in the hours and days after the fire, it had dawned on him that the individual who descended to the Lower V at 0805 on the day of the fire was Mays’s height and build, had fair hair that could be seen coming out from his cover, like Mays, sounded like Mays, and said, ‘I love deck,’ which is an expression Velasco knew Mays to say,” the affidavit states, ‘

I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.

adding that other sailors had also suggested to investigators that the person in question seemed to be Mays based on his clothing and language

Or maybe this guy is a dick with a chaotic personality whom everybody hates for good reasons, but may not, technically speaking, have done it.

and that a command master chief “identified Mays as a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.”

Well, there you go. He showed disdain.

Investigators reviewed Mays’ now-private Instagram account, and found a post that stated, “I love the smell of napalm in the morning,” the affidavit explains.

Just like “I love deck,” which I’ve never heard before, “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” is a wholly unique quote. Nobody who ever joined the military since 1979 has ever said that before.

Or maybe Robert Duvall did it? His father was an admiral, so he may have personal issues concerning the Navy too.

The article doesn’t mention any history of this guy being a firebug. Some arsonists have solely functional reasons for starting a fire, like the insurance money, but I believe a fair number of arsonists who have self-interested motives also just have a Beavis-like fascination with fire.

… But five days after beginning SEAL training, Mays dropped out and was reassigned to the Bonhomme Richard as an “undesignated Seaman.”

“According to Navy leadership, the morale and behavior of sailors who had aspired to become a SEAL, and then find themselves serving in a more traditional role on a Navy ship, are frequently very challenging,” the affidavit states.

A commenter recently talked about how the Navy SEALs tend to attract kids soon out of high school with perhaps extravagant personalities, while the Army’s Delta Force tends to recruit among proven non-commissioned officers who prefer a low profile, which is why you have never heard of individual Delta Force operators but have heard constantly from ex-SEALs.

Mays told investigators he was willing to take a polygraph exam, after which he was arrested.

After he flunked the lie detector test or after he volunteered to take it?

Mays is said to have then incriminated himself in the presence of two Master-at-Arms designated sailors, who “heard Mays say (unasked) that he was guilty, seemingly talking to himself,” according to the warrant. He later denied ever making the comments

Apparently, they don’t have video.

, and denied involvement in the arson, claiming he was being “set up.”

And then the article recounts a convoluted story about Mays and a sailorette who may or may not have been pregnant by him or by somebody else. Mays looks like a character from Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers, and the general atmosphere onboard sounds rather reminiscent of that movie.

Now that I look at his picture more closely, he appears to be wearing thigh-high sheer stockings, which introduces a whole ‘nother aspect to this story.

Will the sailor claim to be a victim who is being persecuted for being transgender? It’s 2021, so, sure, why not?

Stay tuned …

It was not clear if that series of events was thought to have pushed Mays toward the alleged arson.

NCIS investigators seized Mays’ iPhone, searched his car and apartment, and swabbed his cheek for a DNA sample. So far, Mays’ DNA has not been a match for DNA found at the scene.

Does DNA left by arsonists tend to get destroyed by the blaze?

Anyway, let me point out once again that normalizing mask-wearing has made getting away with nefarious crimes like arson and carjacking a lot more feasible-sounding.

 
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  1. at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    • LOL: profnasty
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Supply and Demand


    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.
     
    Spoken like a true Chinaman.


    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/mcs/media/images/63441000/jpg/_63441465_li660825a(2).jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    , @AndrewR
    @Supply and Demand

    I have such mixed feelings about this case. While I don't like the idea of being on the hook as a taxpayer for this fire, I do love the idea of crippling the US Navy by any means necessary. But even if I loved the US military I would be wondering how it's possible for one person to cause so much damage. I am not exactly an expert on how to fight fires on ships but I am certain Americans have the technology to prevent one amateur arsonist from doing billions of dollars worth of damage to a ship. Why was this ship unequipped? What other ships are so unequipped for something like this? Are US aircraft carriers this vulnerable?

    , @anonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    In 2020, Democratic war gamers thought the military might need to step in if there was a dispute. In 2024, it could be a rematch between Biden and Trump. If the military needs to be counted on then conservative whites need to be purged from the officer corps. The vaccine mandate on the military is a brilliant way to oust those people and create a politically reliable military.

    , @Jack D
    @Supply and Demand

    Whites who won't get vaccinated : traitorous Trump supporters. Show no mercy.

    Blacks who won't get vaccinated : rightfully concerned about becoming victims of another Tuskegee Experiment. Cut them a break.

    , @RAj
    @Supply and Demand

    You may well be the dumbest human alive today.

  2. In further interviews, Velasco said he was “fairly sure” and “90% sure” he saw Mays descend into the Lower V before the fire broke out.

    He reportedly started out at “not sure” and quickly escalated to “20% sure” and the percentage rapidly escalated as the bare bulb swung from the ceiling of the small interrogation room, casting nightmarish shadows.

    • Thanks: beavertales
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @JimDandy

    "Kenji Velasco"? WTF? That's some USDA Prime mixed up mystery meat.


    "the standards of military justice."
     
    Someone once said "Military justice is to justice as military music is to music."

    Didn't Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Not to sound like Grandpa Simpson, but these kids nowadays are totally AFU, arson or not. God help us.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  3. Anyway, let me point out once again that normalizing mask-wearing has made getting away with nefarious crimes like arson and carjacking a lot more feasible-sounding.

    Also occupying the Capitol, if those knuckleheads had thought about it.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AKAHorace

    No one who supports Trump has an IQ over 90.

    But in fairness, I think even a reasonably intelligent person could have assumed that the Capitol was open to the public, given that the cops mostly just waved people inside. A fourth Capitol cop who was working on January 6th just died by "suicide" yesterday. Yes, the fourth. But nothing to see here, goyim.

  4. “failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt”

    Sarcasm not warranted. 80 to 90 percent drop out. A common event.

    “find themselves serving in a more traditional role on a Navy ship, are frequently very challenging,” the affidavit states.”

    They don’t “find themselves.” Skills are evaluated carefully, and the non-seal is given sensible options. If you are then truthful and not defensive, you will be respected in your new specialty at sea or on land. Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder, a grudge, but it doesn’t tend to be that way.
    You move on.

    Btw, from what I read, the fire-suppression system was turned off during maintenance, and there were no roving patrols with portable suppression equipment. Despite rag piles here and there. If this guy had a grudge, he would have refrained from acting upon it if these systems failures had not occurred.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Thanks: George
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @SafeNow


    You move on.
     
    Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They're normal and well adjusted.

    The striking thing about this arson indictment is that despite being a highly organized and regimented organization, with plenty of record-keeping, accountability and surveillance, their case relies almost entirely on ambiguous hearsay. What do the sign-in logs say? Cell phone/GPS records? Security systems? Contractors' data? Any hard evidence at all? There's a reference to DNA evidence, but only to note it is exculpatory(!), and no explanation of how it would have been relevant.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @donut

    , @SteveRogers42
    @SafeNow

    The SEAL teams are a huge recruiting draw for the Navy, which uses their popularity in a cynical recruiting game. The physical standards to even get a SEAL challenge contract are off the charts, and the ASVAB scores for prospective SEALs are higher than any enlisted specialty other than nukes. Then, the 75-80% of SEAL candidates that don't make the grade at BUD/S are assigned according to "the needs of the Navy", which usually means scraping paint on the USS NoGo. The other NSW specialties - SWCC, EOD, and Rescue Swimmers -- are not set up as a JV squad to absorb BUD/S duds, so Big Navy gets a steady pipeline of highly-intelligent, supremely fit deck sweepers, courtesy of the SEALs. It's no surprise that some of these swabbies might feel a wee bit disgruntled. Most of the European revolutionaries were well-educated student types with no future in the old regime commensurate with their capabilities.

    , @Truth
    @SafeNow


    Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder,
     
    Well, I mean, he is a white guy, the odds are not exactly unreasonable. Either that, or he wants to take down the white power structure, has low impulse control, is weaponized by the JOOZ or is an anti-white RAYCISS.
  5. The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.

    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    • Thanks: Cato
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGuy0jievs

    , @Anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Who creates all these broken homes in America?

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @CaptainMike
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "I love deck." is meant ironically. He was assigned to the Deck Department as an undesignated seaman, just about the lowest status possible in the USN, perhaps with the exception of "prisoner."
    Almost all undesignated seaman in the Deck Departments of ships hate the Navy, and hate working in the Deck Dept. they mostly chip rust, paint, and clean. Think janitors with paint brushes. Get all the unskilled shit jobs, in other words.
    I know whereof I speak as I was an undesignated seaman myself, back in the ancient times. (I fell through the cracks of a commissioning program.) Also a National Merit Scholar. Now a ship captain, so you can do something with it, but it depends upon your abilities and attitude.

    , @Nimrod
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    'He's some sort of psycho twink from a broken home.'

    Indeed. So was Casey Fury, the man who lit the Bonfire of the USS Miami in 2012. Fury seems to come from the same white trash underclass as this Mays kid.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/23/article-2177943-142FC601000005DC-770_306x399.jpg

    An interesting interview with his distraught mother:

    https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20180331/mom-says-uss-miami-arsonist-was-mess

    No mention of the kid's father, which I assume means he doesn't exist or wasn't involved in his life.

    Casey Fury suffered from depression and anxiety. He was prescribed Ambien and Klonopin, which he apparently consumed with alcohol. His mother alleges that, one year into his job as a painter and a sandblaster, 'he was a wreck'. Perhaps breathing in all that paint wasn't good him. Or maybe the Ambien sent him over the edge.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @AndrewR
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Damn he looks good. Wouldn't call him a "twink." He's too buff for that imo

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Based on the first few photos I saw he doesn't look very twinky. Heterosexual young men today show off their bodies in ways that used to be associated only with women and gay men. The supposed false pregnancy is interesting though:


    Investigators also dug into Mays’ personal life and discovered several red flags. After telling investigators during an initial 10-hour interview that he’d recently separated from a female sailor upon discovering that she was pregnant and he was not the father, investigators “later learned this was mostly contradicted by the female sailor” in question, the warrant said.

    That sailor recounted to investigators that while Mays had gone around telling everyone she was pregnant and that he was “going to be a father,” she had never been pregnant and made that clear to him, even taking a pregnancy test to prove it.
     
    Notice what it doesn't say: that the female sailor denied a relationship occurred.

    Replies: @Djkjcgjj

  6. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Hmmm…

    Well, this explains why it took so long to get a statement and an arrest.

    And props to … The Daily Beast … and Yahoo News ??!

    Where was the mainstream media? Did they somehow assume that the perp was … vibrant? … so they decided not to pay any more attention to this stale, stale story … and devote those column inches to updates about Emmett Till.

    The whole thing sounds a bit like the 2001 Anthrax FBI investigation of Bruce Ivins. After they drove him to suicide the whole case kind of fell apart.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Anon

    This has been posted on here before :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    Just read the part about how quickly the navy found a scapegoat and then stuck to the story in the face of increasing evidence that the fault was with the higher ups . I won't call for a rope just yet based on the NCIS findings so far .

  7. Italian Stallion.

    https://twitter.com/WRNSR/status/1422718071375007744

    You thought 2020 was wild, but 2021 is on another level.

    Just remember. The governor of New York State released a picture of himself kissing Al Gore. Truly one of the most epic things that I have EVER seen in politics. You cannot top that. I repeat. You cannot top that.

    By the way, in one of the pictures, Cuomo is hugging his mom. What’s that about exactly?

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I, like most New Yorkers, would love to know which Democrat(s?) is/are behind the Luv Guv's recent troubles. He obviously has offended someone powerful enough to guide the Party and its media lapdogs in a coordinated attack.
    His grabby ways with women and failed policies (e.g. Covid in nursing homes) would get no exposure at all unless the Party had united against him.

    Replies: @Cato

    , @El Dato
    @JohnnyWalker123

    ‘Endlessly on people’s legs’: Boris Johnson bemoans his pooch's ‘romantic urges’ on visit with police dog handlers


    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has revealed he’s struggling with his pet dog’s “romantic urges” and said the high-profile canine has been known to “endlessly” hump people’s legs in Downing Street.
     
    , @Pop Warner
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The whole sexual harassment bit is a good way to distract people from the tens of thousands of elderly New Yorkers that Cuomo had killed

    Replies: @Jack D

  8. Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That’s the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven’t heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car – literally while the car was in motion. Well, I’m sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and “parading” charges that they’ve brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say “well, that’s a shame” instead of saying “what the f**k?”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Mr. Anon

    What's the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @That Would Be Telling

    , @bomag
    @Mr. Anon

    One wonders. Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?

    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.

    Maybe a suicide finding now serves the purpose of the Deep State: "Look how bad 1/6 was! It is making strong people kill themselves! More years of solitary for more of the bad people!"

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Joseph Doaks

    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    If I'm understanding correctly, three of the four who committed suicide were officers of the Metropolitan Police. One was on the Capitol Police. The Metropolitan Police has 4,500 employees in sum, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.12%. The Capitol Police has 2,200 employees, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.08%. The raw annual suicide rate in this country is 0.0145%. At least one of the two officers who made such a spectacle of himself at congressional hearings is from the Metropolitan Police department, not the Capitol Police.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for this, Mr. Anon. Here are a few numbers: There are ~700,000 cops of all sorts in America, of which 228 committed suicide (OK, are known to have) in '19. That's a 0.03% rate. There are ~2,300 Capitol cops. 4 out of 2,300 makes 0.17%, already 6 times larger than the average rate. However, your 4 are out of the 500 that the disgustingly-biased wiki page says were on duty (much less, right there in the midst of that HORROR!). That's be an easily-calculatable 0.8%

    That's in less than one year, and it's significant in a Clintonesque manner. What'd they see?

    In answer to Henry's Cat and Jim Bob (in reply to the former), I'll say this. It is a cush job, but they are not full-time mall cops. The apparently do other duty too, as I found out when meeting one of them down in Georgia. He was on a stint protecting a Congressman who was traveling

    I asked the guy about Mr. Sicknick, and this guy knew him as a friend. He had nothing to say about Mr. Sicknick's previous health problems, but didn't agree with that fire-ex BS story. I asked him directly if he knew the guy who shot Ashli Babbitt. He did, but that was all he would say. I didn't want to push it, as he was a customer, in a way, and a very nice guy. Oh, and this guy was no fat-ass mall cop, but that's a sample of 1, haha!

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mr. Anon

    Metropolitan Police + Capitol Police = 6,700

    4 have committed suicide by all means.

    This makes 4 out of 6,700.

    "There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers."

    I wonder how many NYPD suicides there were by alternative methods?

    , @res
    @Mr. Anon

    Was January 6th all hands on deck? Any idea how these suicides relate (or not) to the roles people actually played there?

  9. Just like “I love deck,” “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” is a wholly unique quote. Nobody who ever joined the military since 1979 has ever said that before.

    (blink) What? Or they watched Apocalypse Now. Or they talked to someone who watched Apocalypse Now. I’ve heard the expression used.

    A quick web search confirms “I love deck” does appear to be idiosyncratic.

    • Replies: @Splorf
    @JosephB

    "I love deck" is almost certainly an "Anchorman" reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gId6nrMDmUU

    Replies: @Nathan

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @JosephB

    Or, in addition to being a fan of Apocalypse Now, he is also a fan of Anchorman.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gId6nrMDmUU

    , @Djkjcgjj
    @JosephB

    Ironic, huh?

    Sailor an’ Sailer too

  10. Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly could’ve done 20 years ago.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @JohnnyWalker123


    He is there to embrace European fascism and ally himself with it.
     
    So they are saying there is hope for civilization?

    https://i.postimg.cc/7Zs9cGgz/Assicurazioni-Generali-Venezia.jpg

    This image stolen from the luxury edition of Hugo Pratt's "Desert Scorpions"
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every thing or person the left doesn't like is a "threat to Democracy," a "danger to Democracy," or is "undermining Democracy." It's like verbal tick.

    Replies: @profnasty

    , @profnasty
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Nothing to see here folks.
    It's just a spike protein shed by CNN.

    , @ATBOTL
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My recollection is that the boomer conservative morons on TV and radio did go "full fascist," but for Bush, neocons, wars for Israel and the PATRIOT Act/NSA survelience state.

    Replies: @By-tor

    , @peterike
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The man has gone full fascist.
     
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Because to say that admiring Hungary and Viktor Orban is "going full fascist" is a comment of such colossal stupidity that it seems unlikely that any sensible human could make it without being sarcastic.

    But yeah, you're probably not being sarcastic.
    , @AndrewR
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Democracy" = anything Jewish pedophiles approve of

    "Destroying democracy" = doing anything Jewish pedophiles disapprove of

  11. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

  12. Is there a Sailer’s Law regarding disgruntled variously colored sailors trying to scuttle their own ship?.

    Mays looks like a character from Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers, and the general atmosphere onboard sounds rather reminiscent of that movie.

    Oh God.

    Or maybe he’s a Cylon?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @El Dato

    Mays actually looks like Martin Sheen circa Apocalypse Now.

    Replies: @Djkjcgjj

  13. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

    Who creates all these broken homes in America?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anon

    The Federal Reserve and Immigration Absolutists, among others.

    About which:

    Federal judge sides with Biden administration, blocks Texas measure to stop transportation of illegal immigrants


    “The Executive Order causes irreparable injury to the United States and to individuals the United States is charged with protecting, jeopardizing the health and safety of non-citizens in federal custody, risking the safety of federal law enforcement personnel and their families, and exacerbating the spread of [Covid]-19,” Judge Kathleen Cardone of the Western District of Texas in El Paso wrote in the order on Tuesday evening.
     
    "Big Biden Win"

    Well, I'm sure of that. But is this a US win? Who says "My daughter has been raped successfully by my latest crush"?

  14. Ryan Sawyer Mays

    Y, Y, Y did he do it? Somebody here said he was gay.

    Ryan Sawyer Mays = Merry ass, anyway.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Too many "y"s in that name.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia, @Nikolai Vladivostok

  15. “which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom”

    Yeah, that’s putting it mildly. It sounds like there’s no evidence whatsoever. If also sounds like they’re looking to try this in federal court, instead of a courts martial, so I would think they had more than a dodgy eye-witness acount of someone that looks similar went below deck and even more dodgy “self incrimination.”

    But what did I expect? NCIS has engaged in some serious misconduct recently. Maybe they’ll come up with some actual evidence by trial…

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Nathan

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwbgGbP2/I-m-from-the-FBI.png

    Replies: @Old Prude, @donut, @Eric Ruttencutter, @TWS

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Nathan

    So we've gone from the Navy covering up for a black dude to trying to frame a white guy?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Nathan

  16. Ships, Marines, storming the beaches…..it’s so old-fashioned anyway…the future requires tech-savvy psychopaths.

    In his letter, Hale wrote that post-traumatic stress disorder uniquely affects those working on drone operations. Hale estimated that he participated in more than 1,540 hours of “real time kill/capture operations,” according to court documents.

    “The victorious rifleman, unquestioningly remorseful, at least keeps his honor intact by having faced off against his enemy on the battlefield. The determined fighter pilot has the luxury of not having to witness the gruesome aftermath,” Hale wrote. “But what possibly could I have done to cope with the undeniable cruelties that I perpetuated?”

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2021-07-26/facing-11-years-in-prison-a-former-intel-analyst-condemns-undeniable-cruelties-of-afghanistan-drone-strikes

  17. “\$30 million in damage”: that will be wrong by how many orders of magnitude?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @dearieme

    A lot, but you can put on the infrastructure bill.

    , @Mark Roulo
    @dearieme

    "'$30 million in damage': that will be wrong by how many orders of magnitude? "

    From NPR:


    SAN DIEGO — The U.S. Navy charged a sailor Thursday with starting a fire last year that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard docked off San Diego, marking the maritime branch's worst warship blaze outside of combat in recent memory.

    The amphibious assault ship burned for more than four days. Left with extensive structural, electrical and mechanical damage, the ship was later scrapped. Estimates to replace it ran up to $4 billion.
     
    So it sounds like the ship was "totaled." Off by a factor of 100?
  18. “I love the smell of napalm in the morning”
    As Mays would have been 19 at the time, I suggest:

    SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT

    • LOL: Kylie
  19. @Nathan
    "which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom"

    Yeah, that's putting it mildly. It sounds like there's no evidence whatsoever. If also sounds like they're looking to try this in federal court, instead of a courts martial, so I would think they had more than a dodgy eye-witness acount of someone that looks similar went below deck and even more dodgy "self incrimination."

    But what did I expect? NCIS has engaged in some serious misconduct recently. Maybe they'll come up with some actual evidence by trial...

    Replies: @El Dato, @Henry's Cat

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @El Dato

    That’s pretty good. The FBI result reminds me of a 20/20 episode I saw around 2000. They followed a DEA team trying to snatch a couple Mexican peasant drug mules out of the desert. They planned an elaborate operation with night vision and helicopters and of course lots of cool tactical gear and automatic weapons.

    When this mass of armed men and machines descended on the campsite no one was there.

    Too bad 20/20 didn’t follow the DEA to the bar afterwards. “That was fun! Six more years until retirement!”

    , @donut
    @El Dato

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE65wcqX7Bo

    There was also a joke from the Stalin era ; Stalin had lost his favorite pipe and mentioned it to Beria a few days later Stalin mentioned to Beria that he had found his pipe under the sofa . Beria said "but that's impossible we already have the culprit in custody and he has confessed".

    , @Eric Ruttencutter
    @El Dato

    My friend who is an Illinois State’s Attorney told me this joke years ago, but with Chicago PD instead of the KGB

    , @TWS
    @El Dato

    LAPD instead of KGB

  20. @Anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Who creates all these broken homes in America?

    Replies: @El Dato

    The Federal Reserve and Immigration Absolutists, among others.

    About which:

    Federal judge sides with Biden administration, blocks Texas measure to stop transportation of illegal immigrants

    “The Executive Order causes irreparable injury to the United States and to individuals the United States is charged with protecting, jeopardizing the health and safety of non-citizens in federal custody, risking the safety of federal law enforcement personnel and their families, and exacerbating the spread of [Covid]-19,” Judge Kathleen Cardone of the Western District of Texas in El Paso wrote in the order on Tuesday evening.

    “Big Biden Win”

    Well, I’m sure of that. But is this a US win? Who says “My daughter has been raped successfully by my latest crush”?

    • Agree: bomag
  21. @Nathan
    "which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom"

    Yeah, that's putting it mildly. It sounds like there's no evidence whatsoever. If also sounds like they're looking to try this in federal court, instead of a courts martial, so I would think they had more than a dodgy eye-witness acount of someone that looks similar went below deck and even more dodgy "self incrimination."

    But what did I expect? NCIS has engaged in some serious misconduct recently. Maybe they'll come up with some actual evidence by trial...

    Replies: @El Dato, @Henry's Cat

    So we’ve gone from the Navy covering up for a black dude to trying to frame a white guy?

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    We've gone from having a Navy to the Navy deserving to lose its ships to fire.

    , @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

  22. So the Chinese did this to us, maybe through a black, and Sawyer will be blamed; when the Chinese conquer us a white named Finn will be blamed. Okay.

  23. @Henry's Cat
    @Nathan

    So we've gone from the Navy covering up for a black dude to trying to frame a white guy?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Nathan

    We’ve gone from having a Navy to the Navy deserving to lose its ships to fire.

  24. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I’ve long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD and a 0.18% suicide rate for the Capitol Police (with ~5 more months to go in this year). So a ~7x higher suicide rate so far for the Capitol Police.

    Replies: @schnellandine

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:
     
    Do they typically shoot themselves while operating a moving vehicle?

    Some of the 1/6 suicides were D.C. Metro cops, but I believe that several of them were US Capitol Police. Is being a Capitol cop such a stressful gig? It's not like they see all the horrible urban atrocities that an NYPD cop might see. I don't know,.............maybe seeing Nancy Pelosi Polygripping her dentures is too much for even a brave man to take.
    , @stillCARealist
    @Steve Sailer

    My nephew is a cop and loves it.

    He used to be an EMT, but it wasn't exciting enough. Also the gear was in the ambulance, not on his belt.

    He has a mellow demeanor... the low vital signs that often determine who will need the most stimulation to feel like a man (or so I've read... he confirms it).

    Batman, Superman, whatever. He needs action.

    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Not an explanation here.

    , @Mark Roulo
    @Steve Sailer

    "Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen. "

    There is an obvious difference in the day-to-day experience between the two jobs.

    Firefighters are almost always the "good guys." Most of their calls today are medical, but responding to medical or actual fire/crash/whatever the firefighters are trying to make individuals better off.

    Police are often the "bad guys." They are the ones who pull you over for doing a safe and prudent 50 MPH in a school zone. Or who arrested your friend for domestic violence.

    "Everybody" loves firefighters and there isn't a large national movement to de-fund them. Police ... not so much. That is just the nature of the job.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bill Jones

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Steve Sailer


    I’ve long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

     

    Heh. The attitude towards cops in NYC is "we need you but we don't really love you" - towards firemen, it's abject, on-our-knees eye-misted love and devotion.

    BTW, about cops, Amy Cooper is having her day in court, and the story sounds quite reminiscent of your description in your post on the subject, focusing on Chris Cooper's aberrant and menacing behavior. ("I'm going to do something and you're not going to like it.")

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park
  25. I spent 14 months living on two different LPD’s while in the Marines. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.

    Mays wearing women’s stockings and going around saying “I love deck” – which is probably a play on for “I love dick” – may suggest he was a particularly obnoxious and vile homosexual who got off on creating awkward encounters with his fellow sailors.

    Would those things be enough to prompt his fellow shipmates to provide all of that hearsay about Mays? I’d say yes.

    And article 134 of the UCMJ is known as the general article, which means simply that can charge you with what ever they want and will.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre


    s. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.
     
    Could you elaborate?
    , @William Badwhite
    @Mike Tre


    I spent 14 months living on two different LPD’s while in the Marines. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.
     
    Friends that were Marine officers have told me that the men bitching and moaning is as normal as breathing. In fact if they're NOT bitching, that was the time to start worrying.

    Curious if you agree/disagree?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  26. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    What’s the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Henry's Cat

    The latter and they're really not good at that either.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Henry's Cat


    What’s the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?
     
    Plenty of them do "regular police work" keeping areas in D.C. where Congressmen dwell safer than they'd otherwise be.
  27. @El Dato
    Is there a Sailer's Law regarding disgruntled variously colored sailors trying to scuttle their own ship?.

    Mays looks like a character from Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers, and the general atmosphere onboard sounds rather reminiscent of that movie.
     
    Oh God.

    Or maybe he's a Cylon?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvt0OPlRFzg

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Mays actually looks like Martin Sheen circa Apocalypse Now.

    • Replies: @Djkjcgjj
    @Dave Pinsen

    I was about to say that! Much more like Sheen than like Duvall, looks-wise. In fact, he looks like Charlie Sheen from Hot Shots! or Navy Seals

  28. If indeed it was him, and if the suggestion above about the reason being his disgruntlement over sexual issues is correct, then this is the second time that the USA has suffered major loss due to sexual minorities’ inner demons.

    The first being of course Bradley Manning, now known as Chelsea Manning who leaked a major trove of data to wikileaks.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Tark Marg


    The first being of course Bradley Manning, now known as Chelsea Manning who leaked a major trove of data to wikileaks.
     
    That's wasn't a "major loss", it was just a dump of assorted info about embarrassing shit concerning torture, overkill and official malfeasance. People should have been thrown in jail but nothing happened. Fancy that.

    That data should have been out there in the first place in plain sight. No-one in the NPC-oriented press would even have dared look at it.

    August 21, 2013: What Bradley Manning Revealed


    “In no case shall information be classified… in order to: conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error; prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency… or prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.”

    —Executive Order 13526, Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations

    “Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is this awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.”

    —Robert Gates, Unites States Secretary of Defense

     

    Résumé:

    - There is an official policy to ignore torture in Iraq.
    - Guantanamo prison has held mostly innocent people and low-level operatives.
    - There is an official tally of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. ("we don't do boyd counts, no sir!")
    - U.S. Military officials withheld information about the indiscriminate killing of Reuters journalists and innocent Iraqi civilians.
    - The State Department backed corporate opposition to a Haitian minimum wage law. (looking bac, that's probably one of the least transgressions)
    - The U.S. Government had long been faking its public support for Tunisian President Ben Ali.
    - Known Egyptian torturers received training from the FBI in Quantico, Virginia (I guess the italian reporter who got tortured to death and dumped in a ditch Cairo in a inter-service grudge match was happy about that)
    - The State Department authorized the theft of the UN Secretary General’s DNA (it can come in handy I guess)
    - The Japanese and U.S. Governments had been warned about the seismic threat at Fukushima (well, the Japanese have their own engineers and are grown-up, so...)
    - The Obama Administration allowed Yemen’s President to cover up a secret U.S. drone bombing campaign. (why hasn't anyone been impeached?)

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    He is there to embrace European fascism and ally himself with it.

    So they are saying there is hope for civilization?

    This image stolen from the luxury edition of Hugo Pratt’s “Desert Scorpions”

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  30. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD and a 0.18% suicide rate for the Capitol Police (with ~5 more months to go in this year). So a ~7x higher suicide rate so far for the Capitol Police.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    @Dave Pinsen


    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD
     
    Invalid conclusion, precisely rendered. The anti-'innumeracy' iSteve comment squad delivers again.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  31. Do the SEALs test for PEDs? He’s got a small frame for them, so he might have juiced up to improve his chances.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Ralph L

    The muscle heads usually have a harder time getting through SEAL training than the smaller guys.

  32. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    One wonders. Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?

    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.

    Maybe a suicide finding now serves the purpose of the Deep State: “Look how bad 1/6 was! It is making strong people kill themselves! More years of solitary for more of the bad people!”

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @bomag


    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.
     
    Doesn't work so well with firearm suicides unless the subject was cleaning the weapon.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @bomag

    "Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?"

    I would like to think so.

    Someday we will see actual unbiased interviews with some of those Capitol Police who have a different view of the events of January 6 than Nancy Pelosi's puppets offered during the recent hearings. If the mass media was staffed with actual journalists, we'd have them already.

  33. Deck is a reference to the deckhands who are responsible for painting the ship and making it look good. The captain on my destroyer frequently spoke of loving and hating the deck department, depending on the cosmetic condition of the ship.

    Flunking out of SEALs was common and probably demoralizing to young tough guys who dreamed of something grander than chipping paint in the middle of the ocean.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @White Guy In Japan

    My cousin wanted to be a SEAL and ended up on a minesweeper (!!!) used as a gunboat on the rivers of Vietnam.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @White Guy In Japan


    Deck is a reference to the deckhands who are responsible for painting the ship and making it look good.
     
    That was what I was going to suggest. I knew some deckhands, they all hated the job, but they were immensely proud of doing the job. They proudly called themselves "deck apes". That nickname probably wouldn't fly in today's Navy.
  34. @Tark Marg
    If indeed it was him, and if the suggestion above about the reason being his disgruntlement over sexual issues is correct, then this is the second time that the USA has suffered major loss due to sexual minorities’ inner demons.

    The first being of course Bradley Manning, now known as Chelsea Manning who leaked a major trove of data to wikileaks.

    Replies: @El Dato

    The first being of course Bradley Manning, now known as Chelsea Manning who leaked a major trove of data to wikileaks.

    That’s wasn’t a “major loss”, it was just a dump of assorted info about embarrassing shit concerning torture, overkill and official malfeasance. People should have been thrown in jail but nothing happened. Fancy that.

    That data should have been out there in the first place in plain sight. No-one in the NPC-oriented press would even have dared look at it.

    August 21, 2013: What Bradley Manning Revealed

    “In no case shall information be classified… in order to: conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error; prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency… or prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.”

    —Executive Order 13526, Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations

    “Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is this awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.”

    —Robert Gates, Unites States Secretary of Defense

    Résumé:

    [MORE]

    – There is an official policy to ignore torture in Iraq.
    – Guantanamo prison has held mostly innocent people and low-level operatives.
    – There is an official tally of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. (“we don’t do boyd counts, no sir!”)
    – U.S. Military officials withheld information about the indiscriminate killing of Reuters journalists and innocent Iraqi civilians.
    – The State Department backed corporate opposition to a Haitian minimum wage law. (looking bac, that’s probably one of the least transgressions)
    – The U.S. Government had long been faking its public support for Tunisian President Ben Ali.
    – Known Egyptian torturers received training from the FBI in Quantico, Virginia (I guess the italian reporter who got tortured to death and dumped in a ditch Cairo in a inter-service grudge match was happy about that)
    – The State Department authorized the theft of the UN Secretary General’s DNA (it can come in handy I guess)
    – The Japanese and U.S. Governments had been warned about the seismic threat at Fukushima (well, the Japanese have their own engineers and are grown-up, so…)
    – The Obama Administration allowed Yemen’s President to cover up a secret U.S. drone bombing campaign. (why hasn’t anyone been impeached?)

  35. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD and a 0.18% suicide rate for the Capitol Police (with ~5 more months to go in this year). So a ~7x higher suicide rate so far for the Capitol Police.

    Replies: @schnellandine

    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD

    Invalid conclusion, precisely rendered. The anti-‘innumeracy’ iSteve comment squad delivers again.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @schnellandine

    " The anti-‘innumeracy’ iSteve comment squad delivers again."

    You could have given us the correct figures and shown your workings, thus improving the site and its readers, but no...

  36. @dearieme
    "$30 million in damage": that will be wrong by how many orders of magnitude?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mark Roulo

    A lot, but you can put on the infrastructure bill.

  37. @JosephB

    Just like “I love deck,” “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” is a wholly unique quote. Nobody who ever joined the military since 1979 has ever said that before.
     
    (blink) What? Or they watched Apocalypse Now. Or they talked to someone who watched Apocalypse Now. I've heard the expression used.

    A quick web search confirms "I love deck" does appear to be idiosyncratic.

    Replies: @Splorf, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Djkjcgjj

    “I love deck” is almost certainly an “Anchorman” reference.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @Splorf

    He would have been about two or three years old when Ancorman came out. In fact, this kid probably isn't familiar with any comedy movies since the genre has been dormant for his entire, brief, adult life.

  38. @El Dato
    @Nathan

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwbgGbP2/I-m-from-the-FBI.png

    Replies: @Old Prude, @donut, @Eric Ruttencutter, @TWS

    That’s pretty good. The FBI result reminds me of a 20/20 episode I saw around 2000. They followed a DEA team trying to snatch a couple Mexican peasant drug mules out of the desert. They planned an elaborate operation with night vision and helicopters and of course lots of cool tactical gear and automatic weapons.

    When this mass of armed men and machines descended on the campsite no one was there.

    Too bad 20/20 didn’t follow the DEA to the bar afterwards. “That was fun! Six more years until retirement!”

    • LOL: bomag
  39. @Henry's Cat
    @Nathan

    So we've gone from the Navy covering up for a black dude to trying to frame a white guy?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Nathan

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn’t sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn’t a “red flag?” What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    “now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement”

    I would love to get a lawyers’ take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn’t? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we’ll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Nathan

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don't help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Nathan, @JimDandy, @Alden

    , @Ralph L
    @Nathan

    The UCMJ charges are extremely serious

    The initial article said he was in custody for several months and then released to shore duty.

    , @J.Ross
    @Nathan

    Maybe the reason we hear so much about the useless, fraudulent FBI framing retards is because that has become all they know how to do. Similarly, maybe feds have over-relied on "lying to the FBI" or "making a false statement" to the exclusion of better case-building.

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Nathan

    ‘Making a false statement” is a speech crime.

    I’m waiting for news that the cheating, domestic partner of an FBI guy has been charged with MFS after lying to the agent about an affair.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Nathan

    It should be an Article 108 charge for destruction of government property.

    Replies: @Nathan

  40. @bomag
    @Mr. Anon

    One wonders. Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?

    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.

    Maybe a suicide finding now serves the purpose of the Deep State: "Look how bad 1/6 was! It is making strong people kill themselves! More years of solitary for more of the bad people!"

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Joseph Doaks

    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.

    Doesn’t work so well with firearm suicides unless the subject was cleaning the weapon.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Hibernian

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Jack D, @Coemgen, @SaneClownPosse

  41. OT but relevant

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @El Dato


    OT but relevant
     
    Awesome. Thanks for the link to a 25 minute video that nobody will watch.

    Your comments are usually solid, but this is Achnad Doucheman level idiocy.
  42. @White Guy In Japan
    Deck is a reference to the deckhands who are responsible for painting the ship and making it look good. The captain on my destroyer frequently spoke of loving and hating the deck department, depending on the cosmetic condition of the ship.

    Flunking out of SEALs was common and probably demoralizing to young tough guys who dreamed of something grander than chipping paint in the middle of the ocean.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory

    My cousin wanted to be a SEAL and ended up on a minesweeper (!!!) used as a gunboat on the rivers of Vietnam.

  43. If he could destroy an entire warship single-handedly he should have been in Special Naval Warfare Ops.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • LOL: beavertales
  44. @JosephB

    Just like “I love deck,” “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” is a wholly unique quote. Nobody who ever joined the military since 1979 has ever said that before.
     
    (blink) What? Or they watched Apocalypse Now. Or they talked to someone who watched Apocalypse Now. I've heard the expression used.

    A quick web search confirms "I love deck" does appear to be idiosyncratic.

    Replies: @Splorf, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Djkjcgjj

    Or, in addition to being a fan of Apocalypse Now, he is also a fan of Anchorman.

  45. OT

    A short overview of Sailer (negative) twitter reply people

    https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live

    1/ some obsessive with a very long user name and equally long posts/diagrams who Steve seems to ignore, and I follow suit

    2/ “Pinkerite”, who is determined either to get Pinker to denounce our hero, or to tar Pinker (am I allowed to say that?) with being a closet Sailerite. Only occasional posts, but he wants us to know that he hasn’t forgotten and never will!

    3/ Goodwhites (female) – many such cases! Opens with a burst of point-n-sputter and maintains this high emotional level, which rational, reasoned responses only serve to heighten. Gives up quite quickly and rarely returns to the fray.

    4/ Goodwhites (male) – Determined to destroy Steve with logic, facts and point-n-sputter if the first two don’t take. Will keep going for quite a while. When their logic and facts fail, a link to Steve’s Wiki is considered a final argument, cos everyone knows wiki is an unbiased source.

    This is a public information post.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • LOL: El Dato, res
  46. @Henry's Cat
    @Mr. Anon

    What's the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @That Would Be Telling

    The latter and they’re really not good at that either.

  47. @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don’t help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Logically, if you don't make any statement at all, you can't make a false statement. People think that they are going to exonerate themselves by blabbing a lot and offering excuses but all they do is dig a hole for themselves. Keepa da mouth shut. This goes double when talking to the Feds.

    Maybe the prosecutors don't want to tip their hand too much but the evidence that they have presented so far seems to be extraordinarily weak. It wouldn't surprise me if they have focused on entirely the wrong man. It wouldn't be the first time. There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up - it causes them to lose face or something.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian

    , @Nathan
    @Steve Sailer

    Absolutely, which is why it stands out to me. As I recall, they essentially had nothing on Martha Stewart. I'm not as familiar with Marion Jones, but it looks like she went down for steroids... which isn't much of a crime. This is still (technically) a capital offense. Weird that they're going for the process stuff.

    , @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    "But the female sailor denied his story to investigators, saying they had never been engaged and she wasn't pregnant."

    I'm guessing she's telling the truth. She goes on to say things that basically reinforce this scenario:

    "Or maybe this guy is a dick with a chaotic personality whom everybody hates for good reasons, but may not, technically speaking, have done it."

    , @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    They might not let you call. “ Thus isn’t a criminal investigation. We just want to talk to you.”

    FBI isn’t required to give the Miranda warning. They can use audio visual recordings of interviews. But they often don’t. There’s 2 agents. They take written notes and then write up their version of the interview. They can and do make up whatever they want to make up.

    Contrast that to all other law enforcement agencies. Miranda warnings audio visual recordings of the interviews body cameras “ do you want to call your mommy” if the subject is 18 to 24 years old.

    Subject can say “ I want a lawyer I refuse to speak with you”’ but FBI might or might not write that statement down. Since they don’t do common violent street crimes, they can easily lie to the subject and tell him or her they’re investigating someone else. Then write up their notes to implicate the subject.

    Their main function today is catching military deserters. Who usually run right home to mommy wife or girl friend.

    What with cameras and silent alarms to local police in banks and more importantly cameras all over the parking lot and surrounding streets, bank robbers are often caught a few blocks away by a patrol car. Plus polygraphs of every bank employee. It’s often a woman bank employee and husband or boyfriend. So bank robbery is more local police catching low level criminals than the FBI going after sophisticated organized criminals.

    Another FBI function is federal employee security checks which are so worthless every agency has to do their own security checks.

    The FBI agents just write down everything any interviewee says with no judgement. For instance, security subject has an on going feud with a neighbor about neighbor’s dog. Large dog roams about all day pooping on lawns and drive ways digging in garbage cans and menacing joggers, walkers and bike riders. Dog owner claims security subject is an evil dog hater. FBI just writes that down and submits it. Also writes down statements of ex spouses. “ evil money grubbing witch”. “ He was mean to me”

    Because the FBI checks are so full of unsubstantiated gossip most agencies have to do their own.

    And they spend a lot of time investigating right wing White supremacist militia groups. Especially in the stations in smaller cities in more rural states. FBI and ATF spent years enticing and entrapping Randy Weaver into cutting an inch off a long gun barrel or whatever dreadful crime he committed.

    I’ve been suspicious of the FBI ever since they totally screwed up their investigation of Bernadette Dohrn and her accessory co conspirator Bill Ayers in the bombing of Park Police Station San Francisco which resulted in the murder of one police officer and mayhem GBI and permanent disability of another officer.

    The FBI disregarded every protection for suspects. Didn’t even bother to get a judge permission to tap their phones. So Dohrn and Ayers got just a few years in prison instead of life.

    Either the FBI was totally incompetent or purposely violated wire tapping and other laws in order to get charges dismissed because of violation of wire tapping law. I’ve always thought it was done on purpose to get the entire case against Dohrn and Ayers dismissed because of the illegal wiretaps.

    Recently read memoirs of an FBI agent who spent his entire career in Birmingham Al. All he did was chase but mostly not catch military deserters and search for but not find White supremacist militia groups. He was on the periphery of some bank robbers, always caught a mike away by local police because the bank cameras had car and license plate.
    He was disgustingly PC and an anti White White man like every other White government employee. Endless sneering at White trash hillbillies. Endless praise of blacks.

    His career ended as a recruiter. Endless kvetching because so few black woman agents. He didn’t mention that most of the woman clerks assistants receptionists finger print techs and non agent support staff in the FBI are black women. Even in states with few blacks like Vermont and Idaho.

    I’m sure his memoir was checked and authorized. If that’s typical FBI opinions, then the FBI is the enemy

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

  48. @schnellandine
    @Dave Pinsen


    So that’s a 0.025% suicide rate for the NYPD
     
    Invalid conclusion, precisely rendered. The anti-'innumeracy' iSteve comment squad delivers again.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” The anti-‘innumeracy’ iSteve comment squad delivers again.”

    You could have given us the correct figures and shown your workings, thus improving the site and its readers, but no…

    • Agree: res
  49. “Now that I look at his picture more closely, he appears to be wearing thigh-high sheer stockings, which introduces a whole ‘nother aspect to this story.”

    Looks to me like he is wearing compression shorts underneath his PT shorts, which a lot of people do to prevent chafing. The look of his upper quad is an incident of lighting and low photo quality.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    @Nathan

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don't help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Nathan, @JimDandy, @Alden

    Logically, if you don’t make any statement at all, you can’t make a false statement. People think that they are going to exonerate themselves by blabbing a lot and offering excuses but all they do is dig a hole for themselves. Keepa da mouth shut. This goes double when talking to the Feds.

    Maybe the prosecutors don’t want to tip their hand too much but the evidence that they have presented so far seems to be extraordinarily weak. It wouldn’t surprise me if they have focused on entirely the wrong man. It wouldn’t be the first time. There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up – it causes them to lose face or something.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, J.Ross
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D


    There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up
     
    That's a standard ingredient of human problem solving.

    Standard pilots crash whole passenger airplanes due to just that. Only the best flip out of it.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Jack D

    Richard Jewell comes to mind. Forcefully.

  51. convoluted story about Mays and a sailorette who may or may not have been pregnant by him or by somebody else.

    Allowing women on ships was always taboo for this very reason. It turns every ship into a soap opera filled with sexual intrigue and jealousy. People also forget that sailors are extraordinarily young and immature. The enlisted men are literally teenagers.

  52. Guy certainly comes across as a gayish weirdo, but if that was evidence of arson there would be not many ships left in either your navy or ours.

    Didn’t you have a battleship turret blown up some time back over a sodomite lover’s tiff?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Gordo

    You're referring to the USS Iowa explosion in 1989. The Naval Investigative Service speculated that the explosion was manufactured by a seaman out of sorts because a buddy had gotten married and did not have time for friends anymore. The two seamen in question had been great friends but were on sour terms at the time of the accident. The thing was, that 'ere they fell out, the one seaman had entered the other as the beneficiary on his Navy life insurance. When his family found out this other seaman would be receiving a payout, they complained, which got the NIS working that angle. The family was also disgusted at the NIS speculation that the seaman accused was suicidal, maintaining that his letters to them indicated nothing like that.

    Eventually one Navy investigation concluded that the explosion was intentional, one by Sandia National Laboratories that it was accidental, and another by the Navy that there was insufficient evidence of what the cause might have been.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  53. I have a suspicion they have security cam video on this guy that’s damning, and they’re not tipping their hand just yet.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    What would the reason be to not tip one's hand if it's going to a military court?
    In fact, what would the reason be to not mention video evidence? Why talk about ovaries instead of a damning video?

    , @donut
    @Art Deco

    I doubt if there are any CCTV cameras anywhere but the gangway and sensitive areas like communications and weapons storage areas if that .

  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    Italian Stallion.

    https://twitter.com/houshou_pic_bot/status/1422637758363971586

    https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/1422620562019471364

    https://twitter.com/apes751138/status/1422748267348115458

    https://twitter.com/WRNSR/status/1422718071375007744

    You thought 2020 was wild, but 2021 is on another level.

    Just remember. The governor of New York State released a picture of himself kissing Al Gore. Truly one of the most epic things that I have EVER seen in politics. You cannot top that. I repeat. You cannot top that.

    By the way, in one of the pictures, Cuomo is hugging his mom. What's that about exactly?

    Replies: @additionalMike, @El Dato, @Pop Warner

    I, like most New Yorkers, would love to know which Democrat(s?) is/are behind the Luv Guv’s recent troubles. He obviously has offended someone powerful enough to guide the Party and its media lapdogs in a coordinated attack.
    His grabby ways with women and failed policies (e.g. Covid in nursing homes) would get no exposure at all unless the Party had united against him.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @additionalMike


    I, like most New Yorkers, would love to know which Democrat(s?) is/are behind the Luv Guv’s recent troubles. He obviously has offended someone powerful enough to guide the Party and its media lapdogs in a coordinated attack.
     
    Yes -- some intrigue worthy of the Vatican is unfolding before our eyes. But, as usual, the media is not revealing the actors and their motivations.
  55. I know it’s not the same ship, but whenever I heard the name Bon Homme Richard, I think of Admiral Morrison and his son. The ship has a curse.

    Or maybe this guy is a dick with a chaotic personality whom everybody hates for good reasons, but may not, technically speaking, have done it.

    Maybe “I love deck” is “I love dick.”

  56. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

    “I love deck.” is meant ironically. He was assigned to the Deck Department as an undesignated seaman, just about the lowest status possible in the USN, perhaps with the exception of “prisoner.”
    Almost all undesignated seaman in the Deck Departments of ships hate the Navy, and hate working in the Deck Dept. they mostly chip rust, paint, and clean. Think janitors with paint brushes. Get all the unskilled shit jobs, in other words.
    I know whereof I speak as I was an undesignated seaman myself, back in the ancient times. (I fell through the cracks of a commissioning program.) Also a National Merit Scholar. Now a ship captain, so you can do something with it, but it depends upon your abilities and attitude.

    • Thanks: Paperback Writer
  57. @JimDandy
    In further interviews, Velasco said he was “fairly sure” and “90% sure” he saw Mays descend into the Lower V before the fire broke out.

    He reportedly started out at "not sure" and quickly escalated to "20% sure" and the percentage rapidly escalated as the bare bulb swung from the ceiling of the small interrogation room, casting nightmarish shadows.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    “Kenji Velasco”? WTF? That’s some USDA Prime mixed up mystery meat.

    “the standards of military justice.”

    Someone once said “Military justice is to justice as military music is to music.”

    Didn’t Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Not to sound like Grandpa Simpson, but these kids nowadays are totally AFU, arson or not. God help us.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @AceDeuce

    Didn’t Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Is that the backstory they gave him before he was brought into intelligence?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

  58. If this guy did do it, and he is gay or a tranny, that would help explain why it took so long to arrest him. They were probably desperately looking for any way to blame it on anything or anyone but him. Which is the exact opposite of what happened 32 years ago, after a gun turret on the USS Iowa exploded, killing 47 crewmen. In 1989, the push for letting gays serve openly in the military was in full force. Unknown to the average person, much of the military leadership was fine with letting gays and especially lesbians serve. (To kick out lesbians would mean kicking out a huge percentage of women serving, and lesbians tend not to get pregnant or have kids, so they’re much more useful to the military than heterosexual women.) However, not all leadership was in favor. Plus, the average working class American was strongly opposed to gays in the military, so there was a big push for gay purges that would get a lot of publicity to show that the military supported “traditional values.”

    The USS Iowa explosion happened at the height of this, and the Navy’s investigation quickly decided that one of the sailors that died was a homo who had committed suicide and taken out 46 of his fellow crewmembers because of an unrequited crush on a straight crewmember (who survived.) Clayton Hartwig’s family said he wasn’t gay or suicidal, Hartwig’s friends said he wasn’t gay, and the “crush” said neither he nor Hartwig were gay, and they were just good friends, and he wasn’t suicidal. But the Navy stuck to the story, although after much backlash they did stop claiming that Hartwig was gay, while insisting he was suicidal. Eventually there was such an uproar over the Navy’s obviously shoddy investigation in their rush to blame it on gays in the military that Congress ordered another investigation by Sandia Labs, which cleared Hartwig, and declared it an accident, mainly due to the ship being so old and in bad shape.

  59. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    If I’m understanding correctly, three of the four who committed suicide were officers of the Metropolitan Police. One was on the Capitol Police. The Metropolitan Police has 4,500 employees in sum, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.12%. The Capitol Police has 2,200 employees, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.08%. The raw annual suicide rate in this country is 0.0145%. At least one of the two officers who made such a spectacle of himself at congressional hearings is from the Metropolitan Police department, not the Capitol Police.

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco


    If I’m understanding correctly, three of the four who committed suicide were officers of the Metropolitan Police. One was on the Capitol Police. The Metropolitan Police has 4,500 employees in sum, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.12%. The Capitol Police has 2,200 employees, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.08%. The raw annual suicide rate in this country is 0.0145%. At least one of the two officers who made such a spectacle of himself at congressional hearings is from the Metropolitan Police department, not the Capitol Police.
     
    Were all 4,500 + 2,200 employees of the Metropolitan and Capitol Police there at the Capitol in the thick of things on January 6th?

    I don't think they were.

    The suicides are intriguing precisely because of the number and timing of them from a sample of a subset of the Metro and Capitol Police. Not because they're being compared to the total employee force.
  60. @Hibernian
    @bomag


    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.
     
    Doesn't work so well with firearm suicides unless the subject was cleaning the weapon.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @JMcG

    When Glocks were first released they were perhaps very unusual in requiring a trigger pull to disassemble and field strip (classic autoloading pistols like the Colt 1911, the Browning Hi-Power and the Walther PPK don't and revolvers of course don't), but these days it is hardly unique.

    Off the top of my head, I can name the FN 509 as a Glock peer which also requires a trigger pull during the disassembly and field strip process.

    , @Jack D
    @JMcG

    Many years ago (back in the days when American cops still carried revolvers) when my mom was in the hospital for something (that turned out to be not serious - she lived for many decades afterward) the other family in the waiting room was the family of a cop who had shot himself in a gun cleaning accident (or a "gun cleaning accident"). Even then I wondered which one it was.

    Step one of cleaning any gun is unloading the gun and making sure the chamber is empty. Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger. None of the other steps involve looking down the barrel from the wrong end before the gun is completely broken down. This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again. People can do stupid things but ignoring your training so completely requires a high degree of negligence and/or alcohol.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Chris Mallory

    , @Coemgen
    @JMcG

    Anyone conscientious enough to clean his or her pistol has far above the minimum level of conscientious needed to -not- fatally shoot his or herself accidentally while cleaning the pistol.

    C'mon people, "shot himself while cleaning his gun" is a euphemism for suicide.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @JMcG

    Not unique. Walther PPQ M2 requires the same action.

    Pointing the firearm in a safe direction.
    Step 1 drop the mag.
    Step 2 clear the breech.
    Step 3 drop the hammer.

    Anyone who would point the pistol at themselves, then pull the trigger to begin cleaning the firearm, was most likely not thinking clearly. Suicidal, maybe.

  61. @SafeNow
    “failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt”

    Sarcasm not warranted. 80 to 90 percent drop out. A common event.

    “find themselves serving in a more traditional role on a Navy ship, are frequently very challenging,” the affidavit states.”

    They don’t “find themselves.” Skills are evaluated carefully, and the non-seal is given sensible options. If you are then truthful and not defensive, you will be respected in your new specialty at sea or on land. Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder, a grudge, but it doesn’t tend to be that way.
    You move on.

    Btw, from what I read, the fire-suppression system was turned off during maintenance, and there were no roving patrols with portable suppression equipment. Despite rag piles here and there. If this guy had a grudge, he would have refrained from acting upon it if these systems failures had not occurred.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SteveRogers42, @Truth

    You move on.

    Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They’re normal and well adjusted.

    The striking thing about this arson indictment is that despite being a highly organized and regimented organization, with plenty of record-keeping, accountability and surveillance, their case relies almost entirely on ambiguous hearsay. What do the sign-in logs say? Cell phone/GPS records? Security systems? Contractors’ data? Any hard evidence at all? There’s a reference to DNA evidence, but only to note it is exculpatory(!), and no explanation of how it would have been relevant.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    THINK.
    What generally happened the last time police surveillance was applied?
    Why would that explain the total absence of video in this case?

    , @donut
    @Almost Missouri

    "Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They’re normal and well adjusted. "
    Agree .

  62. More OT but relevant. Don’t mind me, I’m just dusting my disk drive.

    From the late Jeff Huber’s “Bathtub Admirals” (2008) who sometimes posted column at Antiwar.com during the War on Terror:

    [MORE]

    Big Steve Romanowski, the squadron’s command master chief, leaned against the rail of the balcony that overlooked the hangar bay, and the pieces of the ceiling you called an overhead that had broken off and fallen fifty feet to the floor you called a deck, where they had to stay until the C.O. of NAS Norfolk got off his ass and told someone to come around pick them up and take them away. “How’s your day going?” Big Steve said.

    “Guess I’ve had worse.”

    Big Steve gave him a Cheshire grin. “Guess again.” He nodded down the passageway at a young Puerto Rican sailor in pressed dungarees standing at parade rest in front of Jack’s office door.

    “Airman Manriquez? What about him?”

    “Let’s put it this way. I didn’t ask, but he told.”

    “Oh, not him.” Jack sighed, and loosened the chest strap of his parachute harness. “Get him out of sight. Tell him to have a seat in my office till we can sort this shit out. I’ll clear out the ready room, you and I will talk in there.”

    Jack stuck his head in the ready room. “Everybody go home.”

    “HOORAY!” the officers cried. That Skipper Hogan, he could be a demanding bastard, but every so often, he’d do something to make you think he was a real human being, like order you to go home in the middle of the day in the middle of the week.

    Jack paced in front of the ready room. “So Manny says this Sailor X is leaving notes on his car windshield and under his door in the barracks saying he’s got pictures of Manny playing around with other boys, and he’s going to show the pictures to you or me.”

    Steve sat at the duty desk. “That’s about the size of it. You or me, we can burn the pictures, pretend like we never saw them. But if this Sailor X has pictures, he has copies, and they’ll turn up somewhere else eventually.”

    Jack nodded and looked out the window at the flight line, and the airplanes and the bay. If those pictures got into the hands of someone like the C.O. of NAS Norfolk, say, Manny could be out of the Navy with a bad discharge, the rest of his life screwed up, and there wouldn’t be anything Jack or Steve could do about it.

    “You’re sure you’re in on this, Steve? We try to sneak this kid out of the Navy with an honorable discharge, and anybody catches on to what we’ve done, we might pay hell for it.”

    “I’m in,” Steve said. “I might feel different if Manny was a dirtball. But he’s a great kid. Always upbeat, even when he’s doing shitty jobs like cleaning the backed up head. His chief’s put him up for Sailor of the Month three times. The other kids in the squadron like him. Hell, he’s everything you want in a young sailor.”

    Jack grimaced. “Except for one thing.”

    “Yeah,” Steve said. “I’m not even so sure about that. According to his service record, Manny grew up in a Catholic orphanage. I did a little digging, turns out this orphanage got shut down because of some sex abuse scandal.”

    “So the kid probably took his first pipe from Father O’Toole?” Jack said.

    “Something like that,” Steve said. “I don’t know what I really think, but I never cared for this ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ bullshit. You can join if you’re gay, but you can’t say you’re gay, and if you do anything gay you better not get caught or you’ll be screwed forever for being gay even though we said it was okay to be gay. Catch-69. The whole policy sucks from both ends.”

    Jack walked to the china board in front of the ready room and erased his name from the next day’s flight schedule. “All right. I’ll call my pal Buzz in the morning and see if I can’t pull a Fix Felony for Manny. In the meantime, with this Sailor X stalking him, I don’t want to take Manny out to sea on the Nixon next week for BFD-EX. Sailor X might be one of our guys.”

    “I agree, Skipper. We wouldn’t want Manny to show up missing for a man overboard muster. I talked to my buddy Master Chief Pikus over at base operations. He says Manny can work for him as long as we need to hide him. Says he can always use a duty driver who isn’t pregnant.”

  63. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Logically, if you don't make any statement at all, you can't make a false statement. People think that they are going to exonerate themselves by blabbing a lot and offering excuses but all they do is dig a hole for themselves. Keepa da mouth shut. This goes double when talking to the Feds.

    Maybe the prosecutors don't want to tip their hand too much but the evidence that they have presented so far seems to be extraordinarily weak. It wouldn't surprise me if they have focused on entirely the wrong man. It wouldn't be the first time. There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up - it causes them to lose face or something.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian

    There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up

    That’s a standard ingredient of human problem solving.

    Standard pilots crash whole passenger airplanes due to just that. Only the best flip out of it.

  64. “Now that I look at his picture more closely, he appears to be wearing thigh-high sheer stockings, which introduces a whole ‘nother aspect to this story.”

    Working in your closet, umpteen hours per day, seven days per week, and, apparently, sleeping mostly during daylight hours, I doubt that you even can remember what a tan line looks like, Steve!?!

    Has it occurred to anyone else that Kenji Velasco might have a very practical reason for fingering the white boy for the crime?!?

  65. @Reg Cæsar

    Ryan Sawyer Mays
     
    Y, Y, Y did he do it? Somebody here said he was gay.

    Ryan Sawyer Mays = Merry ass, anyway.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Too many “y”s in that name.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Too many “y”s in that name.
     
    A high-school classmate had a surname with seven letters, three of which were Y. A teacher told her, "You're Ukrainian!"

    (Her sister's obituary says they're part Indian as well. Feather.)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Paperback Writer

    Excessive “y’s” in a kid’s name is an automatic signifier their parents were low class and they may come from a rough background. I don’t understand why they gravitate towards the letter so much.

    Replies: @Ofwhap

    , @Nikolai Vladivostok
    @Paperback Writer

    I apologize in advance for what I'm about to do:

    "Why does Edward Woodward have so many D's in his name?"

    "Because if he didn't, he'd be called Ewar Woowar."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  66. @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

    The UCMJ charges are extremely serious

    The initial article said he was in custody for several months and then released to shore duty.

  67. Well, I will apologize right here for assuming it was a black guy, as I wrote pretty assuredly during the previous post on this. I don’t think it was a bad assumption, as usually it is the black guys that just love to destroy, and there was the deal with no name or info being revealed. We know what that means in the civilian world anyway.

    However, I shouldn’t have written that assumption down. Sorry.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We have no reason to doubt it was a black guy given the trend of the past two years. Compare all the whites prosecuted because blacks were rioting.

    , @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Errors can be made. Don't worry about it though.

    https://i.postimg.cc/sDZsFcRP/Desert-Scorpions-Un-fortin-en-Dancalie.png

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't say 'assumption' - say 'working hypothesis'.

    , @Truth
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well Achmed, vis-a-vis "white guys", look on the bright side; he's a failure at his profession who's screw-up caused the Navy millions of dollars; I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years...

    Replies: @fish, @SaneClownPosse

  68. @Splorf
    @JosephB

    "I love deck" is almost certainly an "Anchorman" reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gId6nrMDmUU

    Replies: @Nathan

    He would have been about two or three years old when Ancorman came out. In fact, this kid probably isn’t familiar with any comedy movies since the genre has been dormant for his entire, brief, adult life.

  69. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    Thanks for this, Mr. Anon. Here are a few numbers: There are ~700,000 cops of all sorts in America, of which 228 committed suicide (OK, are known to have) in ’19. That’s a 0.03% rate. There are ~2,300 Capitol cops. 4 out of 2,300 makes 0.17%, already 6 times larger than the average rate. However, your 4 are out of the 500 that the disgustingly-biased wiki page says were on duty (much less, right there in the midst of that HORROR!). That’s be an easily-calculatable 0.8%

    That’s in less than one year, and it’s significant in a Clintonesque manner. What’d they see?

    In answer to Henry’s Cat and Jim Bob (in reply to the former), I’ll say this. It is a cush job, but they are not full-time mall cops. The apparently do other duty too, as I found out when meeting one of them down in Georgia. He was on a stint protecting a Congressman who was traveling

    I asked the guy about Mr. Sicknick, and this guy knew him as a friend. He had nothing to say about Mr. Sicknick’s previous health problems, but didn’t agree with that fire-ex BS story. I asked him directly if he knew the guy who shot Ashli Babbitt. He did, but that was all he would say. I didn’t want to push it, as he was a customer, in a way, and a very nice guy. Oh, and this guy was no fat-ass mall cop, but that’s a sample of 1, haha!

  70. My niece married her boyfriend right out of high school, and he joined the Navy to become a SEAL. He washed out after a few days, and then discovered that he was utterly at the mercy of the Navy with regard to personnel assignments. They are no longer together, but I think they had him scraping barnacles off ships the last I heard. Apparently, this is one of the oldest tricks in the recruiter’s book- reel in a prospective recruit with unrealistic dreams of glory who is almost certain to fall short, and then use those guys to fill the most unwanted jobs.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Eric Ruttencutter

    "one of the oldest tricks in the recruiter’s book - reel in a prospective recruit with unrealistic dreams of glory who is almost certain to fall short, and then use those guys to fill the most unwanted jobs"


    Perhaps now Pat Reilly, you might do something worse
    Than to leave your native country and enlist in the Black Horse

    Oh it's I took the bounty, the reckoning was paid
    The ribbons were brought out, me boys, and pinned to my cockade
    It's early the next morning we all were made to stand
    Before our grand general, with hats all in our hands

    He says to Pat Reilly "You are a little too low
    With some other regiment I fear you have to go"
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-TuKxHrrA

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Nathan

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don't help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Nathan, @JimDandy, @Alden

    Absolutely, which is why it stands out to me. As I recall, they essentially had nothing on Martha Stewart. I’m not as familiar with Marion Jones, but it looks like she went down for steroids… which isn’t much of a crime. This is still (technically) a capital offense. Weird that they’re going for the process stuff.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    Do they typically shoot themselves while operating a moving vehicle?

    Some of the 1/6 suicides were D.C. Metro cops, but I believe that several of them were US Capitol Police. Is being a Capitol cop such a stressful gig? It’s not like they see all the horrible urban atrocities that an NYPD cop might see. I don’t know,………….maybe seeing Nancy Pelosi Polygripping her dentures is too much for even a brave man to take.

  73. @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, I will apologize right here for assuming it was a black guy, as I wrote pretty assuredly during the previous post on this. I don't think it was a bad assumption, as usually it is the black guys that just love to destroy, and there was the deal with no name or info being revealed. We know what that means in the civilian world anyway.

    However, I shouldn't have written that assumption down. Sorry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Henry's Cat, @Truth

    We have no reason to doubt it was a black guy given the trend of the past two years. Compare all the whites prosecuted because blacks were rioting.

  74. If he did do it, it was a heroic action, whatever his actual reasons. More ship failures means less empire.

    If he didn’t do it, it’s a shame it’s being pinned on him, though again, the question is…why? Maybe the other likely arsonists are protected classes.

  75. @Almost Missouri
    @SafeNow


    You move on.
     
    Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They're normal and well adjusted.

    The striking thing about this arson indictment is that despite being a highly organized and regimented organization, with plenty of record-keeping, accountability and surveillance, their case relies almost entirely on ambiguous hearsay. What do the sign-in logs say? Cell phone/GPS records? Security systems? Contractors' data? Any hard evidence at all? There's a reference to DNA evidence, but only to note it is exculpatory(!), and no explanation of how it would have been relevant.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @donut

    THINK.
    What generally happened the last time police surveillance was applied?
    Why would that explain the total absence of video in this case?

  76. “I love deck?” He was speaking about the deck crew aka deck force more than likely. Wonder how he felt about the engineers? Of course if the guy walked around in thigh highs he might have said I love dick. As for hating the Navy, 85% of guys and girls in their first four years hate the Navy. FTN is the slogan of the day. Nearly every time I talked to a Navy guy when we pulled into places like Norfolk, Charleston naval shipyard, Brooklyn naval shipyard, or Gitmo, they all absolutely hated being in the Navy.

    Cue: In The Navy by The Village People

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Trinity

    Given the new tolerance for homosexuality, “I love deck” probably is a mishearing of what he actually said.

    The Navy equivalent to a common phrase among many junior military enlistees would be, “I love the f*****g Navy, ‘cos the Naving loves f*****g me.” He is no doubt repeatedly chanting that on his way to lockup.

  77. Where to begin? SEAL recruitment has to be difficult with non-Marines who join the navy with the sole intent of becoming an elite commando.

    A better career path would be Parris Island Marine recruit training, assignment to an active Marine battalion, train for and pass selection to an elite Marine unit like sniping or recon, and then ask for a shot at Basic Underwater Demolitions.

    Call of Duty does not prepare one for direct entry to the SEAL program.

    • Agree: fish
  78. @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

    Maybe the reason we hear so much about the useless, fraudulent FBI framing retards is because that has become all they know how to do. Similarly, maybe feds have over-relied on “lying to the FBI” or “making a false statement” to the exclusion of better case-building.

  79. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

    ‘He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home.’

    Indeed. So was Casey Fury, the man who lit the Bonfire of the USS Miami in 2012. Fury seems to come from the same white trash underclass as this Mays kid.

    An interesting interview with his distraught mother:

    https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20180331/mom-says-uss-miami-arsonist-was-mess

    No mention of the kid’s father, which I assume means he doesn’t exist or wasn’t involved in his life.

    Casey Fury suffered from depression and anxiety. He was prescribed Ambien and Klonopin, which he apparently consumed with alcohol. His mother alleges that, one year into his job as a painter and a sandblaster, ‘he was a wreck’. Perhaps breathing in all that paint wasn’t good him. Or maybe the Ambien sent him over the edge.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Nimrod

    There is good and bad all over--but I've got to say that there are more inbred, first cousin marrying, Deliverance-extras looking two legged trash rodents in the backwoods of New England and the dying cities of the Northeast than in the entire South--and, as a rule, even the weirdos down South have manners.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  80. So, one spiteful mutant with a chip on its shoulder in the shiny new Woketary managed to use \$50 of materials to damage a 40k ton ship to the tune of \$3.2 billion, forcing it to be scrapped.

    And this is the outfit they plan to send after the Deplorables?

    LMAO

  81. @Henry's Cat
    @Mr. Anon

    What's the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @That Would Be Telling

    What’s the typical profile of a Capitol cop? Do they do regular police work or are they little more than glorified museum attendants?

    Plenty of them do “regular police work” keeping areas in D.C. where Congressmen dwell safer than they’d otherwise be.

  82. Wait. What’s the type of stuff O’Reilly ad Hannity could have done? You mean bloviate about nonsense like the media is doing about Tucker?

    To me, the MSM overreaction to a simple trip by Tucker to Hungary demonstrates fear. Tucker went to El Salvador a couple months ago and there was no problem.

    Steve Schmidt’s comment was classic: “An international movement seeking to unleash the poison of nationalism and destroy democracy.” Guy must be losing it.

  83. @Supply and Demand
    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR, @anonymous, @Jack D, @RAj

    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Spoken like a true Chinaman.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Would you elaborate or provide link for the photo? My knowledge of communist social shaming is not good.

  84. @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

    ‘Making a false statement” is a speech crime.

    I’m waiting for news that the cheating, domestic partner of an FBI guy has been charged with MFS after lying to the agent about an affair.

  85. @Ralph L
    Do the SEALs test for PEDs? He's got a small frame for them, so he might have juiced up to improve his chances.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    The muscle heads usually have a harder time getting through SEAL training than the smaller guys.

  86. @White Guy In Japan
    Deck is a reference to the deckhands who are responsible for painting the ship and making it look good. The captain on my destroyer frequently spoke of loving and hating the deck department, depending on the cosmetic condition of the ship.

    Flunking out of SEALs was common and probably demoralizing to young tough guys who dreamed of something grander than chipping paint in the middle of the ocean.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory

    Deck is a reference to the deckhands who are responsible for painting the ship and making it look good.

    That was what I was going to suggest. I knew some deckhands, they all hated the job, but they were immensely proud of doing the job. They proudly called themselves “deck apes”. That nickname probably wouldn’t fly in today’s Navy.

  87. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    Every thing or person the left doesn’t like is a “threat to Democracy,” a “danger to Democracy,” or is “undermining Democracy.” It’s like verbal tick.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @profnasty
    @Hypnotoad666

    Nine out of ten people support gang rape.

  88. @El Dato
    OT but relevant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMv_LOGMZN0

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    OT but relevant

    Awesome. Thanks for the link to a 25 minute video that nobody will watch.

    Your comments are usually solid, but this is Achnad Doucheman level idiocy.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    My nephew is a cop and loves it.

    He used to be an EMT, but it wasn’t exciting enough. Also the gear was in the ambulance, not on his belt.

    He has a mellow demeanor… the low vital signs that often determine who will need the most stimulation to feel like a man (or so I’ve read… he confirms it).

    Batman, Superman, whatever. He needs action.

  90. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    Metropolitan Police + Capitol Police = 6,700

    4 have committed suicide by all means.

    This makes 4 out of 6,700.

    “There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers.”

    I wonder how many NYPD suicides there were by alternative methods?

  91. My ‘blink’ at the photo is that this dude is gay, and advertising. Very Antifa. White, deviant, angry, 20, with tattoos. It takes a long time to get tattoos in the military, they indicate moments in military life; it doesn’t take a long time to get tatted Antifa-style. It also takes training, planning, and support to destroy a battleship with fire. There is an active chapter of Antifa in San Diego. The dog that didn’t bark is that nobody else in the 177 personnel admits to it or has an idea who did it.

    The fact that this guy goes from wanting to be a SEAL, washing out in five days, to hating the Navy, is a huge red flag for the Cluster B disorders described by Gavin DeBecker in ‘The Gift of Fear’ the type that gets psych-evaled out of police academies and winds up as a bitter security guard but maintains delusions of grandeur. It also takes a long time to be considered to test for SEALs, let alone be accepted. If you want to have a moment of humility, do a search for qualifications to apply, I was tired just reading it.

    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Tom F.

    "A wise man once said, “be careful who you let on your ship, because some people will sink the whole ship just because they can’t be the captain.” - Tim Kennedy

    , @Truth
    @Tom F.


    ‘He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home.’
     
    Yes; and your typical fuq-up Caucasian...

    Wait a minute, let me guess:

    MK-ULTRA?!?!
  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Italian Stallion.

    https://twitter.com/houshou_pic_bot/status/1422637758363971586

    https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/1422620562019471364

    https://twitter.com/apes751138/status/1422748267348115458

    https://twitter.com/WRNSR/status/1422718071375007744

    You thought 2020 was wild, but 2021 is on another level.

    Just remember. The governor of New York State released a picture of himself kissing Al Gore. Truly one of the most epic things that I have EVER seen in politics. You cannot top that. I repeat. You cannot top that.

    By the way, in one of the pictures, Cuomo is hugging his mom. What's that about exactly?

    Replies: @additionalMike, @El Dato, @Pop Warner

    ‘Endlessly on people’s legs’: Boris Johnson bemoans his pooch’s ‘romantic urges’ on visit with police dog handlers

    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has revealed he’s struggling with his pet dog’s “romantic urges” and said the high-profile canine has been known to “endlessly” hump people’s legs in Downing Street.

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  93. @Tom F.
    My 'blink' at the photo is that this dude is gay, and advertising. Very Antifa. White, deviant, angry, 20, with tattoos. It takes a long time to get tattoos in the military, they indicate moments in military life; it doesn't take a long time to get tatted Antifa-style. It also takes training, planning, and support to destroy a battleship with fire. There is an active chapter of Antifa in San Diego. The dog that didn't bark is that nobody else in the 177 personnel admits to it or has an idea who did it.

    The fact that this guy goes from wanting to be a SEAL, washing out in five days, to hating the Navy, is a huge red flag for the Cluster B disorders described by Gavin DeBecker in 'The Gift of Fear' the type that gets psych-evaled out of police academies and winds up as a bitter security guard but maintains delusions of grandeur. It also takes a long time to be considered to test for SEALs, let alone be accepted. If you want to have a moment of humility, do a search for qualifications to apply, I was tired just reading it.

    Replies: @Tom F., @Truth

    “A wise man once said, “be careful who you let on your ship, because some people will sink the whole ship just because they can’t be the captain.” – Tim Kennedy

  94. @Art Deco
    I have a suspicion they have security cam video on this guy that's damning, and they're not tipping their hand just yet.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @donut

    What would the reason be to not tip one’s hand if it’s going to a military court?
    In fact, what would the reason be to not mention video evidence? Why talk about ovaries instead of a damning video?

  95. @Supply and Demand
    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR, @anonymous, @Jack D, @RAj

    I have such mixed feelings about this case. While I don’t like the idea of being on the hook as a taxpayer for this fire, I do love the idea of crippling the US Navy by any means necessary. But even if I loved the US military I would be wondering how it’s possible for one person to cause so much damage. I am not exactly an expert on how to fight fires on ships but I am certain Americans have the technology to prevent one amateur arsonist from doing billions of dollars worth of damage to a ship. Why was this ship unequipped? What other ships are so unequipped for something like this? Are US aircraft carriers this vulnerable?

  96. @Mr. Anon
    Also in the News, another police officer involved in the 1/6 capital riots commits suicide:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e

    That's the fourth one.

    Is dealing with a riot so stressful and life-changing that cops kill themselves afterwords? Thousands of cops turned out for riot duty last year during the Summer of George. How many of them offed themselves? I haven't heard of one. Is going toe-to-toe with a bunch of pissed off HVAC technicians and insurance salesman so traumatic?

    One of the Capitol Police officers who committed suicide shot himself while he was driving in his car - literally while the car was in motion. Well, I'm sure that happens all the time. Maybe the Feds can throw in a murder-charge or two on top of the trespassing and "parading" charges that they've brought against the people their holding in stir in the D.C. jail.

    I guess this is just another thing we are expected to see and say "well, that's a shame" instead of saying "what the f**k?"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Henry's Cat, @bomag, @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman, @Triteleia Laxa, @res

    Was January 6th all hands on deck? Any idea how these suicides relate (or not) to the roles people actually played there?

  97. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Too many "y"s in that name.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia, @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Too many “y”s in that name.

    A high-school classmate had a surname with seven letters, three of which were Y. A teacher told her, “You’re Ukrainian!”

    (Her sister’s obituary says they’re part Indian as well. Feather.)

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Estonian names are weird - I thought this lady runner was married to a fellow sub-Saharan, but her hubs is Estonian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaunae_Miller-Uibo

    They will raise a race of cyborg children.

    https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/shaunae-miller-uibo-five-things-to-know-about-the-short-distance-dynamo

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  98. A 20-year-old sailor with a grudge against the U.S. Navy and a failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt

    Interesting given this comment from yesterday.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gender-gap-narrowed/#comment-4818197

    The failure case for BUD/S washouts is much worse than for guys who fail Robin Sage also– if you’re the kind of guy who volunteers for special forces getting knocked down to a seaman apprentice serving in a mess line is much shittier than just getting dumped back into an infantry company, and unfortunately that’s the fate that awaits many hopeful SEALs.

  99. @AKAHorace

    Anyway, let me point out once again that normalizing mask-wearing has made getting away with nefarious crimes like arson and carjacking a lot more feasible-sounding.
     
    Also occupying the Capitol, if those knuckleheads had thought about it.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    No one who supports Trump has an IQ over 90.

    But in fairness, I think even a reasonably intelligent person could have assumed that the Capitol was open to the public, given that the cops mostly just waved people inside. A fourth Capitol cop who was working on January 6th just died by “suicide” yesterday. Yes, the fourth. But nothing to see here, goyim.

  100. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

    Damn he looks good. Wouldn’t call him a “twink.” He’s too buff for that imo

  101. anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand
    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR, @anonymous, @Jack D, @RAj

    In 2020, Democratic war gamers thought the military might need to step in if there was a dispute. In 2024, it could be a rematch between Biden and Trump. If the military needs to be counted on then conservative whites need to be purged from the officer corps. The vaccine mandate on the military is a brilliant way to oust those people and create a politically reliable military.

  102. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Too many “y”s in that name.
     
    A high-school classmate had a surname with seven letters, three of which were Y. A teacher told her, "You're Ukrainian!"

    (Her sister's obituary says they're part Indian as well. Feather.)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Estonian names are weird – I thought this lady runner was married to a fellow sub-Saharan, but her hubs is Estonian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaunae_Miller-Uibo

    They will raise a race of cyborg children.

    https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/shaunae-miller-uibo-five-things-to-know-about-the-short-distance-dynamo

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Estonian names are weird – I thought this lady runner was married to a fellow sub-Saharan, but her hubs is Estonian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaunae_Miller-Uibo

     

    Uibos uobble, but they don't fall down.
  103. five days after beginning SEAL training, Mays dropped out

    1. Have they eliminated height requirements for SEALS (perhaps because they want to have Sealettes or Latino Seals and Asian Seals)? This guy looks extraordinarily small for a SEAL – more like a SHRIMP.

    2. Five days is a VERY short time to last in SEAL training. It’s true that SEAL training has a very high drop out rate but most people last longer than 5 days. He must have been terribly unsuited either physically or mentally and he should have been screened out ever before he started. It’s still not proven that he is responsible but as others have pointed out, enlisting imagining yourself to be going on raids to capture Bid Laden and ending up scraping paint instead must be extraordinarily demoralizing. At that point they should have just honorably discharged him and sent him home.

    Obviously Mays himself bears primary responsibility but at that point he was an 18 or 19 year old kid – lots of kids at that age imagine a glorious future for themselves (and some even achieve it). Some wise head should have told him that the SEALS were not for him but no one did, perhaps because there aren’t too many wise heads at the recruiting office or because they were glad that someone with no criminal record and who came back clean from the drug test was willing to enlist and help them make their quota? And if he flunked out (days) later that was not their problem.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D


    Have they eliminated height requirements for SEALS
     
    There is no height requirement for being in the SEALS. Traditionally, the shortest guys in training are grouped together as the "Smurf Crew". SEALS have told stories about smaller guys putting cans on their heads to help larger crew mates carry the boats. Body builders don't usually do as well as swimmers and runners. Endurance beats brute strength.
  104. @Anon
    Hmmm...

    Well, this explains why it took so long to get a statement and an arrest.

    And props to ... The Daily Beast ... and Yahoo News ??!

    Where was the mainstream media? Did they somehow assume that the perp was ... vibrant? ... so they decided not to pay any more attention to this stale, stale story ... and devote those column inches to updates about Emmett Till.

    The whole thing sounds a bit like the 2001 Anthrax FBI investigation of Bruce Ivins. After they drove him to suicide the whole case kind of fell apart.

    Replies: @donut

    This has been posted on here before :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    Just read the part about how quickly the navy found a scapegoat and then stuck to the story in the face of increasing evidence that the fault was with the higher ups . I won’t call for a rope just yet based on the NCIS findings so far .

  105. @Supply and Demand
    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR, @anonymous, @Jack D, @RAj

    Whites who won’t get vaccinated : traitorous Trump supporters. Show no mercy.

    Blacks who won’t get vaccinated : rightfully concerned about becoming victims of another Tuskegee Experiment. Cut them a break.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  106. Why is the picture dated 1998? That seems like a long time ago. Are there digital cameras that have clocks that default to 1998 when not set by the user?

  107. @El Dato
    @Nathan

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwbgGbP2/I-m-from-the-FBI.png

    Replies: @Old Prude, @donut, @Eric Ruttencutter, @TWS

    There was also a joke from the Stalin era ; Stalin had lost his favorite pipe and mentioned it to Beria a few days later Stalin mentioned to Beria that he had found his pipe under the sofa . Beria said “but that’s impossible we already have the culprit in custody and he has confessed”.

  108. @Jack D

    five days after beginning SEAL training, Mays dropped out
     
    1. Have they eliminated height requirements for SEALS (perhaps because they want to have Sealettes or Latino Seals and Asian Seals)? This guy looks extraordinarily small for a SEAL - more like a SHRIMP.

    2. Five days is a VERY short time to last in SEAL training. It's true that SEAL training has a very high drop out rate but most people last longer than 5 days. He must have been terribly unsuited either physically or mentally and he should have been screened out ever before he started. It's still not proven that he is responsible but as others have pointed out, enlisting imagining yourself to be going on raids to capture Bid Laden and ending up scraping paint instead must be extraordinarily demoralizing. At that point they should have just honorably discharged him and sent him home.

    Obviously Mays himself bears primary responsibility but at that point he was an 18 or 19 year old kid - lots of kids at that age imagine a glorious future for themselves (and some even achieve it). Some wise head should have told him that the SEALS were not for him but no one did, perhaps because there aren't too many wise heads at the recruiting office or because they were glad that someone with no criminal record and who came back clean from the drug test was willing to enlist and help them make their quota? And if he flunked out (days) later that was not their problem.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Have they eliminated height requirements for SEALS

    There is no height requirement for being in the SEALS. Traditionally, the shortest guys in training are grouped together as the “Smurf Crew”. SEALS have told stories about smaller guys putting cans on their heads to help larger crew mates carry the boats. Body builders don’t usually do as well as swimmers and runners. Endurance beats brute strength.

    • Agree: fish
  109. @bomag
    @Mr. Anon

    One wonders. Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?

    Traditionally, there has been a taboo against suicide, with many listed as accidents, etc.

    Maybe a suicide finding now serves the purpose of the Deep State: "Look how bad 1/6 was! It is making strong people kill themselves! More years of solitary for more of the bad people!"

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Joseph Doaks

    “Are they waking up and realizing they have been serving evil?”

    I would like to think so.

    Someday we will see actual unbiased interviews with some of those Capitol Police who have a different view of the events of January 6 than Nancy Pelosi’s puppets offered during the recent hearings. If the mass media was staffed with actual journalists, we’d have them already.

    • Agree: bomag
  110. @Almost Missouri
    @SafeNow


    You move on.
     
    Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They're normal and well adjusted.

    The striking thing about this arson indictment is that despite being a highly organized and regimented organization, with plenty of record-keeping, accountability and surveillance, their case relies almost entirely on ambiguous hearsay. What do the sign-in logs say? Cell phone/GPS records? Security systems? Contractors' data? Any hard evidence at all? There's a reference to DNA evidence, but only to note it is exculpatory(!), and no explanation of how it would have been relevant.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @donut

    “Yeah, I known a couple of SEAL washouts. No shame in it. They’re normal and well adjusted. ”
    Agree .

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    Not an explanation here.

  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    Nothing to see here folks.
    It’s just a spike protein shed by CNN.

  113. @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Every thing or person the left doesn't like is a "threat to Democracy," a "danger to Democracy," or is "undermining Democracy." It's like verbal tick.

    Replies: @profnasty

    Nine out of ten people support gang rape.

  114. Why are they bothering Mays. I already told them a Black guy dood it.
    There was a racial fight at the time of the event. Blacks are a little, shall we say, flamboyant.
    What part of sobvious do you not understand?

  115. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    My recollection is that the boomer conservative morons on TV and radio did go “full fascist,” but for Bush, neocons, wars for Israel and the PATRIOT Act/NSA survelience state.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @ATBOTL

    The Patriot Act of 2001 was overwhelmingly supported by both parties. A number of the 66 Democrats who voted against it were booted from office with help from the Israeli lobby.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/3162/all-actions?overview=closed&q=%7B%22roll-call-vote%22%3A%22all%22%7D

  116. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The article goes into the case against Mays in depth, which so far doesn’t sound overwhelming by the standards of reasonable doubt in a civilian courtroom …
     

    I have to say that “I love deck” is a new one to me.
     
    Probably an unironic homosexual pun. The following appears to be his TikTok account (compare the tats on arms in the Daily Beast shot and his profile pic below). He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@sawyermays8

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sailor-who-hated-navy-torched-dollar12b-assault-ship-warrant

    https://p16-sign-va.tiktokcdn.com/musically-maliva-obj/1662742429641733~c5_720x720.jpeg?x-expires=1628139600&x-signature=dBm00GHMRQud46j%2FiUMG9OnSiog%3D

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @CaptainMike, @Nimrod, @AndrewR, @Alexander Turok

    Based on the first few photos I saw he doesn’t look very twinky. Heterosexual young men today show off their bodies in ways that used to be associated only with women and gay men. The supposed false pregnancy is interesting though:

    Investigators also dug into Mays’ personal life and discovered several red flags. After telling investigators during an initial 10-hour interview that he’d recently separated from a female sailor upon discovering that she was pregnant and he was not the father, investigators “later learned this was mostly contradicted by the female sailor” in question, the warrant said.

    That sailor recounted to investigators that while Mays had gone around telling everyone she was pregnant and that he was “going to be a father,” she had never been pregnant and made that clear to him, even taking a pregnancy test to prove it.

    Notice what it doesn’t say: that the female sailor denied a relationship occurred.

    • Replies: @Djkjcgjj
    @Alexander Turok

    He’s lean and muscular, but no amount of iron pumping could turn him straight.

  117. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    “Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen. ”

    There is an obvious difference in the day-to-day experience between the two jobs.

    Firefighters are almost always the “good guys.” Most of their calls today are medical, but responding to medical or actual fire/crash/whatever the firefighters are trying to make individuals better off.

    Police are often the “bad guys.” They are the ones who pull you over for doing a safe and prudent 50 MPH in a school zone. Or who arrested your friend for domestic violence.

    “Everybody” loves firefighters and there isn’t a large national movement to de-fund them. Police … not so much. That is just the nature of the job.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Mark Roulo

    100% correct. There's also the working hours arrangement, with 24 hr. fire shifts (including sleep time), making for a pretty quick 40-hour week. Plenty of family time, or time to work a second job.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Mark Roulo

    About 70% of firefighters in the US are volunteers. not paid careerists.

  118. @Supply and Demand
    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR, @anonymous, @Jack D, @RAj

    You may well be the dumbest human alive today.

    • Agree: Tony massey
  119. Mays has twinkface. The stockings only add to the physiognomic impression.

  120. @El Dato
    @Nathan

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwbgGbP2/I-m-from-the-FBI.png

    Replies: @Old Prude, @donut, @Eric Ruttencutter, @TWS

    My friend who is an Illinois State’s Attorney told me this joke years ago, but with Chicago PD instead of the KGB

  121. @dearieme
    "$30 million in damage": that will be wrong by how many orders of magnitude?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mark Roulo

    “‘\$30 million in damage’: that will be wrong by how many orders of magnitude? ”

    From NPR:

    SAN DIEGO — The U.S. Navy charged a sailor Thursday with starting a fire last year that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard docked off San Diego, marking the maritime branch’s worst warship blaze outside of combat in recent memory.

    The amphibious assault ship burned for more than four days. Left with extensive structural, electrical and mechanical damage, the ship was later scrapped. Estimates to replace it ran up to \$4 billion.

    So it sounds like the ship was “totaled.” Off by a factor of 100?

  122. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Too many "y"s in that name.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia, @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Excessive “y’s” in a kid’s name is an automatic signifier their parents were low class and they may come from a rough background. I don’t understand why they gravitate towards the letter so much.

    • Replies: @Ofwhap
    @S. Anonyia

    They’re probably Welsh

  123. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    Logically, if you don't make any statement at all, you can't make a false statement. People think that they are going to exonerate themselves by blabbing a lot and offering excuses but all they do is dig a hole for themselves. Keepa da mouth shut. This goes double when talking to the Feds.

    Maybe the prosecutors don't want to tip their hand too much but the evidence that they have presented so far seems to be extraordinarily weak. It wouldn't surprise me if they have focused on entirely the wrong man. It wouldn't be the first time. There is something in the cop mentality where once they have pinned something on you they hate to give it up - it causes them to lose face or something.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian

    Richard Jewell comes to mind. Forcefully.

  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    Italian Stallion.

    https://twitter.com/houshou_pic_bot/status/1422637758363971586

    https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/1422620562019471364

    https://twitter.com/apes751138/status/1422748267348115458

    https://twitter.com/WRNSR/status/1422718071375007744

    You thought 2020 was wild, but 2021 is on another level.

    Just remember. The governor of New York State released a picture of himself kissing Al Gore. Truly one of the most epic things that I have EVER seen in politics. You cannot top that. I repeat. You cannot top that.

    By the way, in one of the pictures, Cuomo is hugging his mom. What's that about exactly?

    Replies: @additionalMike, @El Dato, @Pop Warner

    The whole sexual harassment bit is a good way to distract people from the tens of thousands of elderly New Yorkers that Cuomo had killed

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

  125. @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, I will apologize right here for assuming it was a black guy, as I wrote pretty assuredly during the previous post on this. I don't think it was a bad assumption, as usually it is the black guys that just love to destroy, and there was the deal with no name or info being revealed. We know what that means in the civilian world anyway.

    However, I shouldn't have written that assumption down. Sorry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Henry's Cat, @Truth

    Errors can be made. Don’t worry about it though.

  126. So far, Mays’ DNA has not been a match for DNA found at the scene.

    How ’bout testin’ every other sailor & officer on the ship, to see if any of those people match?

    • Agree: Right_On
  127. @Pop Warner
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The whole sexual harassment bit is a good way to distract people from the tens of thousands of elderly New Yorkers that Cuomo had killed

    Replies: @Jack D

    OTOH, these “shocking allegations” are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words “gentle but accurate” before – the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that’s a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @fish
    @Jack D

    Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.


    Yes....PLAN RAPINOE.....how did you find out?

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    OTOH, these “shocking allegations” are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words “gentle but accurate” before – the MONSTER.

    While some of the allegations are pearl clutching crap, many of them aren't. There are credible accusations of groping, touching etc. I'm no lawyer but it sounds very much like a pattern of behavior that meets the legal standard of harassment and perhaps battery. One may argue of course that the legal standard is too onerous etc. but it is the law.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range."

    In the 70s UK a fair few of the women's refuges were run by lesbians and wouldn't allow any man on the premises. So you've got a lot of traumatised women to 'comfort'.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    You're forgetting that the usual suspects were attempting to have Gov. Northam run out of office on a rail for having attended in 1983 a Halloween party which included a guest in blackface and another in a klan outfit (one of whom was Northam). Then they discovered that the attorney-general of Virginia had once appeared in blackface on stage and the Lt. Governor had a serious allegation of criminal sexual assault against him. The result of cleaning out all three would have been to put the speaker of the lower house in the governor's chair. Since he was a Republican, it was inconvenient for the Democratic Party and the media quit writing about it.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    Anonymous Conservative has a good take on this today.

    Replies: @Jack D

  128. @JosephB

    Just like “I love deck,” “I love the smell of napalm in the morning” is a wholly unique quote. Nobody who ever joined the military since 1979 has ever said that before.
     
    (blink) What? Or they watched Apocalypse Now. Or they talked to someone who watched Apocalypse Now. I've heard the expression used.

    A quick web search confirms "I love deck" does appear to be idiosyncratic.

    Replies: @Splorf, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Djkjcgjj

    Ironic, huh?

    Sailor an’ Sailer too

  129. The real story here may be that the Navy blew their best chance at the first “woman” SEAL

  130. @Dave Pinsen
    @El Dato

    Mays actually looks like Martin Sheen circa Apocalypse Now.

    Replies: @Djkjcgjj

    I was about to say that! Much more like Sheen than like Duvall, looks-wise. In fact, he looks like Charlie Sheen from Hot Shots! or Navy Seals

  131. @Alexander Turok
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Based on the first few photos I saw he doesn't look very twinky. Heterosexual young men today show off their bodies in ways that used to be associated only with women and gay men. The supposed false pregnancy is interesting though:


    Investigators also dug into Mays’ personal life and discovered several red flags. After telling investigators during an initial 10-hour interview that he’d recently separated from a female sailor upon discovering that she was pregnant and he was not the father, investigators “later learned this was mostly contradicted by the female sailor” in question, the warrant said.

    That sailor recounted to investigators that while Mays had gone around telling everyone she was pregnant and that he was “going to be a father,” she had never been pregnant and made that clear to him, even taking a pregnancy test to prove it.
     
    Notice what it doesn't say: that the female sailor denied a relationship occurred.

    Replies: @Djkjcgjj

    He’s lean and muscular, but no amount of iron pumping could turn him straight.

  132. @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

    Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Yes….PLAN RAPINOE…..how did you find out?

  133. @Reg Cæsar
    @Supply and Demand


    at this point, every white soldier and sailor who is currently unvaccinated should be dishonorably discharged as a Trump supporter traitor.
     
    Spoken like a true Chinaman.


    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/mcs/media/images/63441000/jpg/_63441465_li660825a(2).jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    Would you elaborate or provide link for the photo? My knowledge of communist social shaming is not good.

  134. @ATBOTL
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My recollection is that the boomer conservative morons on TV and radio did go "full fascist," but for Bush, neocons, wars for Israel and the PATRIOT Act/NSA survelience state.

    Replies: @By-tor

    The Patriot Act of 2001 was overwhelmingly supported by both parties. A number of the 66 Democrats who voted against it were booted from office with help from the Israeli lobby.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/3162/all-actions?overview=closed&q=%7B%22roll-call-vote%22%3A%22all%22%7D

  135. Navy should not even replace this ship. they have too many ships already.

    certainly they shouldn’t bother replacing a surface vessel. if they HAVE to spend the 2 billion, just build another sub.

  136. the photo of the guy in stockings (could also be compression leggings) is dated 6 14 ’98. before he was even born. what’s up with this.

  137. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    As for the stockings, what you’re seeing is the bottom of his underwear, which is longer than his shorts, you perv.

  138. @Art Deco
    I have a suspicion they have security cam video on this guy that's damning, and they're not tipping their hand just yet.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @donut

    I doubt if there are any CCTV cameras anywhere but the gangway and sensitive areas like communications and weapons storage areas if that .

  139. Degenerates all around.

    UK Police Pledge to Promote Pronoun Awareness Gender Neutral Language

  140. @Trinity
    "I love deck?" He was speaking about the deck crew aka deck force more than likely. Wonder how he felt about the engineers? Of course if the guy walked around in thigh highs he might have said I love dick. As for hating the Navy, 85% of guys and girls in their first four years hate the Navy. FTN is the slogan of the day. Nearly every time I talked to a Navy guy when we pulled into places like Norfolk, Charleston naval shipyard, Brooklyn naval shipyard, or Gitmo, they all absolutely hated being in the Navy.


    Cue: In The Navy by The Village People

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Given the new tolerance for homosexuality, “I love deck” probably is a mishearing of what he actually said.

    The Navy equivalent to a common phrase among many junior military enlistees would be, “I love the f*****g Navy, ‘cos the Naving loves f*****g me.” He is no doubt repeatedly chanting that on his way to lockup.

    • LOL: Trinity
  141. @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, I will apologize right here for assuming it was a black guy, as I wrote pretty assuredly during the previous post on this. I don't think it was a bad assumption, as usually it is the black guys that just love to destroy, and there was the deal with no name or info being revealed. We know what that means in the civilian world anyway.

    However, I shouldn't have written that assumption down. Sorry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Henry's Cat, @Truth

    Don’t say ‘assumption’ – say ‘working hypothesis’.

  142. @Nathan
    @Henry's Cat

    No, I never said anything about the Navy covering up or framing anybody. What I am saying is that the evidence in the article doesn't sound much like evidence at all. Maybe they have much stronger evidence like video surveillance footage or found some material on him after the fire. How is thinking your girlfriend was pregnant when she wasn't a "red flag?" What does that have to do with anything?

    And this was the part that jumped out at me:

    "now faces charges of arson within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction, use of fire to damage federal property, and making a false statement"

    I would love to get a lawyers' take on that. The UCMJ charges are extremely serious, what are they trying to do here? Get a confession on these charges by threatening him with a courts martial if he doesn't? Why did they tack on a nothing charge like making a false statement?

    Anyway, we'll see how this shakes out over the next few months.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L, @J.Ross, @Abolish_public_education, @The Alarmist

    It should be an Article 108 charge for destruction of government property.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    @The Alarmist

    The article, and original article before he was identified said he would be charged with Article 110 Hazarding a Vessel.

    I'm really at the "wait and see" stage of this drama. And even then, we might not get the full truth for years to come. I can think of the case of the Blackwater contractors that were convicted of murder and recently pardoned. I always assumed that was an open and shut case, and I was wrong.

  143. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    The man has gone full fascist.

    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. Because to say that admiring Hungary and Viktor Orban is “going full fascist” is a comment of such colossal stupidity that it seems unlikely that any sensible human could make it without being sarcastic.

    But yeah, you’re probably not being sarcastic.

  144. @JMcG
    @Hibernian

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Jack D, @Coemgen, @SaneClownPosse

    When Glocks were first released they were perhaps very unusual in requiring a trigger pull to disassemble and field strip (classic autoloading pistols like the Colt 1911, the Browning Hi-Power and the Walther PPK don’t and revolvers of course don’t), but these days it is hardly unique.

    Off the top of my head, I can name the FN 509 as a Glock peer which also requires a trigger pull during the disassembly and field strip process.

  145. @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

    OTOH, these “shocking allegations” are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words “gentle but accurate” before – the MONSTER.

    While some of the allegations are pearl clutching crap, many of them aren’t. There are credible accusations of groping, touching etc. I’m no lawyer but it sounds very much like a pattern of behavior that meets the legal standard of harassment and perhaps battery. One may argue of course that the legal standard is too onerous etc. but it is the law.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    If we lived in a serious country, we would be able to distinguish between pearl clutching crap and serious allegations of sexual assault. When you mix one with the other, it only diminishes the seriousness of the allegations that appear to have actual substance. Even as to the latter, Cuomo, the shit that he is, must be presumed innocent until he is proven guilty. Why didn't these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    But OTOH when you are conducting a show trial, it's not adequate to demonstrate one or two crimes. The accused must be a monster who has committed HUNDREDS of crimes. He steals ice cream from children. He kicks dogs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  146. @The Alarmist
    @Nathan

    It should be an Article 108 charge for destruction of government property.

    Replies: @Nathan

    The article, and original article before he was identified said he would be charged with Article 110 Hazarding a Vessel.

    I’m really at the “wait and see” stage of this drama. And even then, we might not get the full truth for years to come. I can think of the case of the Blackwater contractors that were convicted of murder and recently pardoned. I always assumed that was an open and shut case, and I was wrong.

  147. @JMcG
    @Hibernian

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Jack D, @Coemgen, @SaneClownPosse

    Many years ago (back in the days when American cops still carried revolvers) when my mom was in the hospital for something (that turned out to be not serious – she lived for many decades afterward) the other family in the waiting room was the family of a cop who had shot himself in a gun cleaning accident (or a “gun cleaning accident”). Even then I wondered which one it was.

    Step one of cleaning any gun is unloading the gun and making sure the chamber is empty. Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger. None of the other steps involve looking down the barrel from the wrong end before the gun is completely broken down. This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again. People can do stupid things but ignoring your training so completely requires a high degree of negligence and/or alcohol.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Most guns of any type don’t require aiming in a safe direction and pulling the trigger as a step in disassembly. That’s a characteristic of some striker-fired types. Mr. Kurtz correctly pointed out that I was wrong in stating that it’s unique to Glock.
    I agree that a high degree of negligence or incapacitance is required to unintentionally fire a gun, and yet it continues to happen.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D


    Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger.
    This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again.
     
    In my 40 years of firearms, I have never been taught this step when cleaning a firearm. Step two is used in some shooting competitions after a shooter has finished a stage and has cleared the weapon and shown it to the safety officer. But I do admit, I only use hammer fired weapons. Combat tupperware is not to my taste.

    Replies: @Jack D

  148. No war was the Flynn En Banc and cancelling Trump, Flynn, Higgins et al.

    Jones was a probing action and revealed wide and broad weakness among both the foes and neutrals of which they were aware.

    NOT banning BAP was an ancillary strategy to try to do to him what they’ve done to Murray et al: make them seem irrelevant by ignoring them.

    That failed. This is a retreat. Press the advantage.

  149. So, iSteve, what part of your family was this Sailor?

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @Gamecock

    Dumb joke fails: I just noticed it's Sailer, not Sailor.

  150. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    If I'm understanding correctly, three of the four who committed suicide were officers of the Metropolitan Police. One was on the Capitol Police. The Metropolitan Police has 4,500 employees in sum, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.12%. The Capitol Police has 2,200 employees, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.08%. The raw annual suicide rate in this country is 0.0145%. At least one of the two officers who made such a spectacle of himself at congressional hearings is from the Metropolitan Police department, not the Capitol Police.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous

    If I’m understanding correctly, three of the four who committed suicide were officers of the Metropolitan Police. One was on the Capitol Police. The Metropolitan Police has 4,500 employees in sum, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.12%. The Capitol Police has 2,200 employees, so the observed annual suicide rate would be 0.08%. The raw annual suicide rate in this country is 0.0145%. At least one of the two officers who made such a spectacle of himself at congressional hearings is from the Metropolitan Police department, not the Capitol Police.

    Were all 4,500 + 2,200 employees of the Metropolitan and Capitol Police there at the Capitol in the thick of things on January 6th?

    I don’t think they were.

    The suicides are intriguing precisely because of the number and timing of them from a sample of a subset of the Metro and Capitol Police. Not because they’re being compared to the total employee force.

  151. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    There were 9 NYPD suicides by firearm in 2019 out of 36,000 police officers. That was an above average number:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/use-of-force/use-of-force-2019-2020-11-03.pdf

    Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen.

    I've long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @stillCARealist, @J.Ross, @Mark Roulo, @Paperback Writer

    I’ve long suspected that the cop vs. fireman psychological divide is rather like Batman vs. Superman.

    Heh. The attitude towards cops in NYC is “we need you but we don’t really love you” – towards firemen, it’s abject, on-our-knees eye-misted love and devotion.

    BTW, about cops, Amy Cooper is having her day in court, and the story sounds quite reminiscent of your description in your post on the subject, focusing on Chris Cooper’s aberrant and menacing behavior. (“I’m going to do something and you’re not going to like it.”)

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

  152. @Eric Ruttencutter
    My niece married her boyfriend right out of high school, and he joined the Navy to become a SEAL. He washed out after a few days, and then discovered that he was utterly at the mercy of the Navy with regard to personnel assignments. They are no longer together, but I think they had him scraping barnacles off ships the last I heard. Apparently, this is one of the oldest tricks in the recruiter’s book- reel in a prospective recruit with unrealistic dreams of glory who is almost certain to fall short, and then use those guys to fill the most unwanted jobs.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “one of the oldest tricks in the recruiter’s book – reel in a prospective recruit with unrealistic dreams of glory who is almost certain to fall short, and then use those guys to fill the most unwanted jobs”

    Perhaps now Pat Reilly, you might do something worse
    Than to leave your native country and enlist in the Black Horse

    Oh it’s I took the bounty, the reckoning was paid
    The ribbons were brought out, me boys, and pinned to my cockade
    It’s early the next morning we all were made to stand
    Before our grand general, with hats all in our hands

    He says to Pat Reilly “You are a little too low
    With some other regiment I fear you have to go”

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @YetAnotherAnon

    OK. So a person enlists in the United States Navy and ends up scraping paint?

    There was a story on NPR about pirates and pirate ships and how the pirates generally were able to overwhelm the crew of a merchant ship because there were a lot more pirates than merchant crew.

    Maybe this has changed with Somali or Molucca pirates, but there was a time when pirates were English naval mercenaries, so a pirate ship is a combat ship.

    Combat ships, generally speaking, have large crews so they have a manpower reserve in a fight to make up for casualties and to conduct damage control. Merchant ships have the bare minimum crew to their ship owners can make money.

    I am sure the person with visions of SEAL glory who ends up scraping paint has a "general quarters" assignment on a ship, usually some role in damage control if they don't have a specific combat specialty such as radar or serving on a gun crew.

    Even in war time, military service is "hurry up and wait" and "long periods of utter boredom punctuated by sheer terror"? Yes, paint scraping is necessary that a Navy ship doesn't rust into brown flakes over time. But paint scraping is also a way to occupy all of the extra "bodies" that you need in combat.

    Combat you ask? More than one US Navy ship has had to call upon its crew for heroic acts of damage control in encounters with merchant ships.

    So you know where the saying "They who only stoop down and scrape also serve" comes from. If the Navy has a lot of disgruntled deck scrapers, this is a failure of explaining the mission and the role of each sailor.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  153. Question:

    Is Bon Homme Richard pronounced the American way (“Bonham Richard” – pronouncing “Richard” as in Richard Nixon) or a sort-of French way, “Bon’omme Rishard”?

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    @Paperback Writer

    In my younger days when I played Wooden Ships and Iron Men, and when talking about Jimbo's dad, we used the first pronunciation.

  154. @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

    “Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.”

    In the 70s UK a fair few of the women’s refuges were run by lesbians and wouldn’t allow any man on the premises. So you’ve got a lot of traumatised women to ‘comfort’.

  155. This is a photo taken during a “struggle session” in the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

    Li Zhensheng was the photographer. He was a press photographer in a northern Chinese city who documented the Cultural Revolution as part of his job. As things got more and more funky, he realized that being in possession of the negatives of these photos (30,000 images) could get him into a lot of trouble or even killed, so he buried them until the Cultural Revolution was over. When he was later inevitably accused of being a counter-revolutionary, they ransacked his house but they found nothing.

    I have a book of his photos, which I highly recommend.

    At first they appear sort of tragi-comic like this photo. Yes the man is being verbally humiliated but it’s all in good fun, sorta.

    Then as the Revolution progresses you see the pictures of people who have been beaten up and then you see pictures of people being taken out in a field and shot in the back of their head and there’s nothing at all funny anymore. Just keep this in mind when you see guys like Cuomo being ritually humiliated for their (sexual non-) crimes. We are only in the early stages of our Cultural Revolution – the real show has not yet begun.

    Here’s another “fun” photo, not taken by Li:

    The women in the photo is named Wang Guanmei (Chinese women do not change their names after marriage). After her husband Liu Shaoqi became the president of China (a figurehead office – Mao was the real power), Wang became a very visible diplomatic companion to him, an unwise move which antagonized Mao’s wife Jiang Qing (“Madame Mao”), who herself was politically ambitious. Wang once even defied Jiang Qing’s advice not to wear an un-Communist like pearl necklace at a banquet in Indonesia hosted by President Sukarno. Jiang Qing had been a glamourous film star in her youth but by this time she affected a dour proletarian mien:

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/26/18/enhanced/webdr07/longform-original-5853-1435356945-3.jpg?downsize=1040:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

    No pearls for her!

    In April 1967, the Red Guards (surely at Madame’s direction) would force Wang to put on the same dress, with a mocking necklace made out of ping-pong balls.

  156. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    OTOH, these “shocking allegations” are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words “gentle but accurate” before – the MONSTER.

    While some of the allegations are pearl clutching crap, many of them aren't. There are credible accusations of groping, touching etc. I'm no lawyer but it sounds very much like a pattern of behavior that meets the legal standard of harassment and perhaps battery. One may argue of course that the legal standard is too onerous etc. but it is the law.

    Replies: @Jack D

    If we lived in a serious country, we would be able to distinguish between pearl clutching crap and serious allegations of sexual assault. When you mix one with the other, it only diminishes the seriousness of the allegations that appear to have actual substance. Even as to the latter, Cuomo, the shit that he is, must be presumed innocent until he is proven guilty. Why didn’t these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    But OTOH when you are conducting a show trial, it’s not adequate to demonstrate one or two crimes. The accused must be a monster who has committed HUNDREDS of crimes. He steals ice cream from children. He kicks dogs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Why didn’t these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    All the complaints were made within a few years of the incidents in question. This isn't similar to the complaints against Catholic priests, which are typically 10-40 years after the fact.

    Replies: @Jack D

  157. @Gordo
    Guy certainly comes across as a gayish weirdo, but if that was evidence of arson there would be not many ships left in either your navy or ours.

    Didn’t you have a battleship turret blown up some time back over a sodomite lover’s tiff?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You’re referring to the USS Iowa explosion in 1989. The Naval Investigative Service speculated that the explosion was manufactured by a seaman out of sorts because a buddy had gotten married and did not have time for friends anymore. The two seamen in question had been great friends but were on sour terms at the time of the accident. The thing was, that ‘ere they fell out, the one seaman had entered the other as the beneficiary on his Navy life insurance. When his family found out this other seaman would be receiving a payout, they complained, which got the NIS working that angle. The family was also disgusted at the NIS speculation that the seaman accused was suicidal, maintaining that his letters to them indicated nothing like that.

    Eventually one Navy investigation concluded that the explosion was intentional, one by Sandia National Laboratories that it was accidental, and another by the Navy that there was insufficient evidence of what the cause might have been.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Art Deco

    Despite the laughable "NCIS" TV show, (sometime in the 80s or 90s, I guess, NIS became NCIS) anyone who has ever encountered them in real life would lay odds that they couldn't solve a case of a runaway puppy without screwing it up somehow.

    God help some innocent bastard that came into their crosshairs. He'd probably get the Lindbergh baby kidnapping pinned on him as a bonus.

    You do not want to get into serious legal trouble in the military. Unless you're a negro and actually guilty--then you'll probably get away scot-free. They let the DC sniper get away with major offenses twice. If they had done their job, he never would have been free to kill all those people.

  158. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    If we lived in a serious country, we would be able to distinguish between pearl clutching crap and serious allegations of sexual assault. When you mix one with the other, it only diminishes the seriousness of the allegations that appear to have actual substance. Even as to the latter, Cuomo, the shit that he is, must be presumed innocent until he is proven guilty. Why didn't these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    But OTOH when you are conducting a show trial, it's not adequate to demonstrate one or two crimes. The accused must be a monster who has committed HUNDREDS of crimes. He steals ice cream from children. He kicks dogs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Why didn’t these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    All the complaints were made within a few years of the incidents in question. This isn’t similar to the complaints against Catholic priests, which are typically 10-40 years after the fact.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Years? If I was sexually assaulted, the complaint would be measured in minutes, not years.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  159. @Jack D
    @JMcG

    Many years ago (back in the days when American cops still carried revolvers) when my mom was in the hospital for something (that turned out to be not serious - she lived for many decades afterward) the other family in the waiting room was the family of a cop who had shot himself in a gun cleaning accident (or a "gun cleaning accident"). Even then I wondered which one it was.

    Step one of cleaning any gun is unloading the gun and making sure the chamber is empty. Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger. None of the other steps involve looking down the barrel from the wrong end before the gun is completely broken down. This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again. People can do stupid things but ignoring your training so completely requires a high degree of negligence and/or alcohol.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Chris Mallory

    Most guns of any type don’t require aiming in a safe direction and pulling the trigger as a step in disassembly. That’s a characteristic of some striker-fired types. Mr. Kurtz correctly pointed out that I was wrong in stating that it’s unique to Glock.
    I agree that a high degree of negligence or incapacitance is required to unintentionally fire a gun, and yet it continues to happen.

  160. @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

    You’re forgetting that the usual suspects were attempting to have Gov. Northam run out of office on a rail for having attended in 1983 a Halloween party which included a guest in blackface and another in a klan outfit (one of whom was Northam). Then they discovered that the attorney-general of Virginia had once appeared in blackface on stage and the Lt. Governor had a serious allegation of criminal sexual assault against him. The result of cleaning out all three would have been to put the speaker of the lower house in the governor’s chair. Since he was a Republican, it was inconvenient for the Democratic Party and the media quit writing about it.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  161. @El Dato
    @Nathan

    This joke worked much better before, say, the Clinton years.

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwbgGbP2/I-m-from-the-FBI.png

    Replies: @Old Prude, @donut, @Eric Ruttencutter, @TWS

    LAPD instead of KGB

  162. @AceDeuce
    @JimDandy

    "Kenji Velasco"? WTF? That's some USDA Prime mixed up mystery meat.


    "the standards of military justice."
     
    Someone once said "Military justice is to justice as military music is to music."

    Didn't Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Not to sound like Grandpa Simpson, but these kids nowadays are totally AFU, arson or not. God help us.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Didn’t Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Is that the backstory they gave him before he was brought into intelligence?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    He was discharged from the Army and working as a security guard.

    , @AceDeuce
    @JimDandy

    From Wikipedia:


    McVeigh aspired to join the United States Army Special Forces (SF). After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program, but washed out[clarification needed] on the second day of the 21-day assessment and selection course for the Special Forces. McVeigh decided to leave the Army and was honorably discharged in 1991.[23]

  163. Even this White lowlife will be spared.

    Executing deserving criminals would only damage the morale of potential glitter-rainbow-warrior recruits.

  164. @Jack D
    @JMcG

    Many years ago (back in the days when American cops still carried revolvers) when my mom was in the hospital for something (that turned out to be not serious - she lived for many decades afterward) the other family in the waiting room was the family of a cop who had shot himself in a gun cleaning accident (or a "gun cleaning accident"). Even then I wondered which one it was.

    Step one of cleaning any gun is unloading the gun and making sure the chamber is empty. Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger. None of the other steps involve looking down the barrel from the wrong end before the gun is completely broken down. This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again. People can do stupid things but ignoring your training so completely requires a high degree of negligence and/or alcohol.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Chris Mallory

    Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger.
    This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again.

    In my 40 years of firearms, I have never been taught this step when cleaning a firearm. Step two is used in some shooting competitions after a shooter has finished a stage and has cleared the weapon and shown it to the safety officer. But I do admit, I only use hammer fired weapons. Combat tupperware is not to my taste.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    https://youtu.be/aoDUE0B090s?t=55

    Pulling the trigger is SOP for Glock (after you have cleared the magazine and chamber) - see at around 0:55, but needless to say not when looking down the barrel.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Chris Mallory

  165. @S. Anonyia
    @Paperback Writer

    Excessive “y’s” in a kid’s name is an automatic signifier their parents were low class and they may come from a rough background. I don’t understand why they gravitate towards the letter so much.

    Replies: @Ofwhap

    They’re probably Welsh

  166. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Why didn’t these women speak out at the time when they were seeking rewards from Cuomo, but only years later?

    All the complaints were made within a few years of the incidents in question. This isn't similar to the complaints against Catholic priests, which are typically 10-40 years after the fact.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Years? If I was sexually assaulted, the complaint would be measured in minutes, not years.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Well, that's you.

    Remember John Geoghan? He was convicted of one count of sexual assault. Prosecutors in Boston brought that one count against him because that was the only charge for which they had a willing complainant whose complaint was not time-barred. The evidence against Geoghan was the testimony of that one man. He remembered no contextual details other than he crossed paths with Geoghan at a swimming pool. He did not even his age at the time of the incident. Geoghan was give a nine year sentence and murdered in prison. What Geoghan did (by the account of the young man) was squeeze the youth's buttocks.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jack D

  167. @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D


    Step two is aiming the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger.
    This is something that anyone who is trained to use a gun is taught on day one and again and again.
     
    In my 40 years of firearms, I have never been taught this step when cleaning a firearm. Step two is used in some shooting competitions after a shooter has finished a stage and has cleared the weapon and shown it to the safety officer. But I do admit, I only use hammer fired weapons. Combat tupperware is not to my taste.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Pulling the trigger is SOP for Glock (after you have cleared the magazine and chamber) – see at around 0:55, but needless to say not when looking down the barrel.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    Clearing a firearm before packing it up to take home or before field stripping it for cleaning is a heavily reinforced safety norm these days.

    But following that up by pulling the trigger while pointed in a safe direction is another story. In a range environment, you might deliberately dry fire after clearing as an extra check and demonstration that the firearm is safe. But in your basement workshop cleaning up, you only typically dry fire after clearing if you are disassembling a striker fired pistol whose trigger mechanism gets in the way of removing the slide when the trigger sits in the cocked position. Glock pistols are like that, as well as the FN 509 which I mentioned earlier... and there may be some others I can't think of at the moment... but classic hammer fired handguns generally don't get dry fired during disassembly.

    As for the proverbial cop who shot himself while cleaning his revolver -- yes, there is almost always a "Part B" to that kind of story. But it isn't my place to presume the exact nature of that Part B.

    I highly recommend the YouTube videos of Paul Harrell and Hickok45 for demonstrating good firearms handling discipline and sober, useful information on the subject.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D

    The Gl9ck trigger pull is part of disassembly, It is not a safety check.

    Replies: @Jack D

  168. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info. (Post 55)

    Wow, who died and left you an idiot? The first step in cleaning a gun is unloading it. And here’s a helpful hint: Don’t point your gun at your head.

    Glock: noun, a pistol with a bad trigger (too heavy pull, “NY trigger”) and no safety because cops’ bosses don’t trust them with anything more complicated.

    • Agree: Chris Mallory
  169. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Years? If I was sexually assaulted, the complaint would be measured in minutes, not years.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Well, that’s you.

    Remember John Geoghan? He was convicted of one count of sexual assault. Prosecutors in Boston brought that one count against him because that was the only charge for which they had a willing complainant whose complaint was not time-barred. The evidence against Geoghan was the testimony of that one man. He remembered no contextual details other than he crossed paths with Geoghan at a swimming pool. He did not even his age at the time of the incident. Geoghan was give a nine year sentence and murdered in prison. What Geoghan did (by the account of the young man) was squeeze the youth’s buttocks.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Art Deco

    Hm, maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Fr Geoghan was convicted of touching a child's thigh while in a swimming pool. Maybe he had done worse things but that was the testimony that convicted him.

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn't seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law and the judge was correct in meting out that sentence. Justice may be blind but sentencing judges are not and the judge surely knew that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy's butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys (all beyond the then statute of limitations). So 9 years in jail for just grabbing a boy's butt is not fair but 9 years in jail for grabbing a boy's butt plus 150 non-prosecutable rapes IS fair. You really have to look at the big picture.

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy's lives he had damaged. Was the government supposed to give Geoghan a 24 hour personal guard so that none of the other prisoners could get at him? Keep him in solitary for 9 years (he would have gone nuts)? Child molesters are not popular guys in prison but maybe Geoghan should have considered that risk that before he molested so many little boys.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  170. @JimDandy
    @AceDeuce

    Didn’t Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Is that the backstory they gave him before he was brought into intelligence?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

    He was discharged from the Army and working as a security guard.

  171. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Too many "y"s in that name.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia, @Nikolai Vladivostok

    I apologize in advance for what I’m about to do:

    “Why does Edward Woodward have so many D’s in his name?”

    “Because if he didn’t, he’d be called Ewar Woowar.”

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Heh.

    Ewar Woowar sounds stupid but it's easier to pronounce than Edward Woodward.

    Replies: @Ralph L

  172. @SafeNow
    “failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt”

    Sarcasm not warranted. 80 to 90 percent drop out. A common event.

    “find themselves serving in a more traditional role on a Navy ship, are frequently very challenging,” the affidavit states.”

    They don’t “find themselves.” Skills are evaluated carefully, and the non-seal is given sensible options. If you are then truthful and not defensive, you will be respected in your new specialty at sea or on land. Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder, a grudge, but it doesn’t tend to be that way.
    You move on.

    Btw, from what I read, the fire-suppression system was turned off during maintenance, and there were no roving patrols with portable suppression equipment. Despite rag piles here and there. If this guy had a grudge, he would have refrained from acting upon it if these systems failures had not occurred.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SteveRogers42, @Truth

    The SEAL teams are a huge recruiting draw for the Navy, which uses their popularity in a cynical recruiting game. The physical standards to even get a SEAL challenge contract are off the charts, and the ASVAB scores for prospective SEALs are higher than any enlisted specialty other than nukes. Then, the 75-80% of SEAL candidates that don’t make the grade at BUD/S are assigned according to “the needs of the Navy”, which usually means scraping paint on the USS NoGo. The other NSW specialties – SWCC, EOD, and Rescue Swimmers — are not set up as a JV squad to absorb BUD/S duds, so Big Navy gets a steady pipeline of highly-intelligent, supremely fit deck sweepers, courtesy of the SEALs. It’s no surprise that some of these swabbies might feel a wee bit disgruntled. Most of the European revolutionaries were well-educated student types with no future in the old regime commensurate with their capabilities.

    • Thanks: AKAHorace
  173. @Mark Roulo
    @Steve Sailer

    "Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen. "

    There is an obvious difference in the day-to-day experience between the two jobs.

    Firefighters are almost always the "good guys." Most of their calls today are medical, but responding to medical or actual fire/crash/whatever the firefighters are trying to make individuals better off.

    Police are often the "bad guys." They are the ones who pull you over for doing a safe and prudent 50 MPH in a school zone. Or who arrested your friend for domestic violence.

    "Everybody" loves firefighters and there isn't a large national movement to de-fund them. Police ... not so much. That is just the nature of the job.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bill Jones

    100% correct. There’s also the working hours arrangement, with 24 hr. fire shifts (including sleep time), making for a pretty quick 40-hour week. Plenty of family time, or time to work a second job.

  174. @Jack D
    @Pop Warner

    OTOH, these "shocking allegations" are a whole lot of nothing. He told the doctor he had heard the words "gentle but accurate" before - the MONSTER.

    Any stick will do to beat a dog. If they get rid of Cuomo because of these ridiculous charges instead of for having caused the death of thousands of people by moving the infected into nursing homes, he will still be out of office as he deserves to be and that's a good thing.

    The only thing bad about it is that is sets a precedent that no red blooded male heterosexual who does not behave like a eunuch his entire life can be eligible for office and that harmless mild flirtations and double entendres that used to be a standard part of adult banter (and part of what made life enjoyable) are now completely Verboten. Lesbians would like to put heterosexual women completely off limits to men so that they have free range.

    Replies: @fish, @kaganovitch, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco, @SteveRogers42

    Anonymous Conservative has a good take on this today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SteveRogers42

    I looked over on his blog and he had some kind of theory that the daughters of Dem politicians get raped as a loyalty test for their fathers. Sorry but that's tinfoil hat quality speculation.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Art Deco

  175. The ghost of George Floyd?

  176. @Nimrod
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    'He's some sort of psycho twink from a broken home.'

    Indeed. So was Casey Fury, the man who lit the Bonfire of the USS Miami in 2012. Fury seems to come from the same white trash underclass as this Mays kid.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/23/article-2177943-142FC601000005DC-770_306x399.jpg

    An interesting interview with his distraught mother:

    https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20180331/mom-says-uss-miami-arsonist-was-mess

    No mention of the kid's father, which I assume means he doesn't exist or wasn't involved in his life.

    Casey Fury suffered from depression and anxiety. He was prescribed Ambien and Klonopin, which he apparently consumed with alcohol. His mother alleges that, one year into his job as a painter and a sandblaster, 'he was a wreck'. Perhaps breathing in all that paint wasn't good him. Or maybe the Ambien sent him over the edge.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    There is good and bad all over–but I’ve got to say that there are more inbred, first cousin marrying, Deliverance-extras looking two legged trash rodents in the backwoods of New England and the dying cities of the Northeast than in the entire South–and, as a rule, even the weirdos down South have manners.

    • Agree: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @AceDeuce

    Hm, as a life-long New Englander I've never been weirded-out by any of the more rural communities. They all seem to be peopled by salt-of-the-earth types ... maybe a little too religious for progressives but decent people all-in-all.

    I do know where one can go to observe things like like first degree relative fornication in New England but that's in cities like Lawrence, Brockton, Springfield, etc.

  177. @JimDandy
    @AceDeuce

    Didn’t Tim McVeigh try and fail to get into the Green Berets when he was in the Army?

    Is that the backstory they gave him before he was brought into intelligence?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

    From Wikipedia:

    McVeigh aspired to join the United States Army Special Forces (SF). After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program, but washed out[clarification needed] on the second day of the 21-day assessment and selection course for the Special Forces. McVeigh decided to leave the Army and was honorably discharged in 1991.[23]

  178. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Estonian names are weird - I thought this lady runner was married to a fellow sub-Saharan, but her hubs is Estonian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaunae_Miller-Uibo

    They will raise a race of cyborg children.

    https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/shaunae-miller-uibo-five-things-to-know-about-the-short-distance-dynamo

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Estonian names are weird – I thought this lady runner was married to a fellow sub-Saharan, but her hubs is Estonian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaunae_Miller-Uibo

    Uibos uobble, but they don’t fall down.

  179. White Sailor Charged in the USS Bon Homme Richard Arson

    LMAO! Gentlemen, I read Steve’s original story a few days ago. I remember how certain you were that the offender was “a knee-grow who hated whites…” or whatever.

    I have one slight request from you if I may…

  180. @JMcG
    @Hibernian

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Jack D, @Coemgen, @SaneClownPosse

    Anyone conscientious enough to clean his or her pistol has far above the minimum level of conscientious needed to -not- fatally shoot his or herself accidentally while cleaning the pistol.

    C’mon people, “shot himself while cleaning his gun” is a euphemism for suicide.

  181. @AceDeuce
    @Nimrod

    There is good and bad all over--but I've got to say that there are more inbred, first cousin marrying, Deliverance-extras looking two legged trash rodents in the backwoods of New England and the dying cities of the Northeast than in the entire South--and, as a rule, even the weirdos down South have manners.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Hm, as a life-long New Englander I’ve never been weirded-out by any of the more rural communities. They all seem to be peopled by salt-of-the-earth types … maybe a little too religious for progressives but decent people all-in-all.

    I do know where one can go to observe things like like first degree relative fornication in New England but that’s in cities like Lawrence, Brockton, Springfield, etc.

  182. @Art Deco
    @Gordo

    You're referring to the USS Iowa explosion in 1989. The Naval Investigative Service speculated that the explosion was manufactured by a seaman out of sorts because a buddy had gotten married and did not have time for friends anymore. The two seamen in question had been great friends but were on sour terms at the time of the accident. The thing was, that 'ere they fell out, the one seaman had entered the other as the beneficiary on his Navy life insurance. When his family found out this other seaman would be receiving a payout, they complained, which got the NIS working that angle. The family was also disgusted at the NIS speculation that the seaman accused was suicidal, maintaining that his letters to them indicated nothing like that.

    Eventually one Navy investigation concluded that the explosion was intentional, one by Sandia National Laboratories that it was accidental, and another by the Navy that there was insufficient evidence of what the cause might have been.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Despite the laughable “NCIS” TV show, (sometime in the 80s or 90s, I guess, NIS became NCIS) anyone who has ever encountered them in real life would lay odds that they couldn’t solve a case of a runaway puppy without screwing it up somehow.

    God help some innocent bastard that came into their crosshairs. He’d probably get the Lindbergh baby kidnapping pinned on him as a bonus.

    You do not want to get into serious legal trouble in the military. Unless you’re a negro and actually guilty–then you’ll probably get away scot-free. They let the DC sniper get away with major offenses twice. If they had done their job, he never would have been free to kill all those people.

  183. @SafeNow
    “failed attempt at becoming a Navy SEAL under his belt”

    Sarcasm not warranted. 80 to 90 percent drop out. A common event.

    “find themselves serving in a more traditional role on a Navy ship, are frequently very challenging,” the affidavit states.”

    They don’t “find themselves.” Skills are evaluated carefully, and the non-seal is given sensible options. If you are then truthful and not defensive, you will be respected in your new specialty at sea or on land. Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder, a grudge, but it doesn’t tend to be that way.
    You move on.

    Btw, from what I read, the fire-suppression system was turned off during maintenance, and there were no roving patrols with portable suppression equipment. Despite rag piles here and there. If this guy had a grudge, he would have refrained from acting upon it if these systems failures had not occurred.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SteveRogers42, @Truth

    Now, maybe this guy had a chip on his shoulder,

    Well, I mean, he is a white guy, the odds are not exactly unreasonable. Either that, or he wants to take down the white power structure, has low impulse control, is weaponized by the JOOZ or is an anti-white RAYCISS.

  184. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Well, that's you.

    Remember John Geoghan? He was convicted of one count of sexual assault. Prosecutors in Boston brought that one count against him because that was the only charge for which they had a willing complainant whose complaint was not time-barred. The evidence against Geoghan was the testimony of that one man. He remembered no contextual details other than he crossed paths with Geoghan at a swimming pool. He did not even his age at the time of the incident. Geoghan was give a nine year sentence and murdered in prison. What Geoghan did (by the account of the young man) was squeeze the youth's buttocks.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jack D

    Hm, maybe I’m misremembering but I thought Fr Geoghan was convicted of touching a child’s thigh while in a swimming pool. Maybe he had done worse things but that was the testimony that convicted him.

  185. @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, I will apologize right here for assuming it was a black guy, as I wrote pretty assuredly during the previous post on this. I don't think it was a bad assumption, as usually it is the black guys that just love to destroy, and there was the deal with no name or info being revealed. We know what that means in the civilian world anyway.

    However, I shouldn't have written that assumption down. Sorry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @El Dato, @Henry's Cat, @Truth

    Well Achmed, vis-a-vis “white guys”, look on the bright side; he’s a failure at his profession who’s screw-up caused the Navy millions of dollars; I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years…

    • Replies: @fish
    @Truth

    I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years…


    Now I expect more from old sod.....you know the Republicans are going the way of the dinosaurs.

    Probably a lot of Juan’s occupying the Oval Office in the future. But hey...maybe the occasional Shitavious too.

    You and Tiny Duck....dare to dream!

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Truth

    But it doesn't sound like the suspect is an Admiral's son.
    Only sons of the elite can pull off that trick.

  186. @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    https://youtu.be/aoDUE0B090s?t=55

    Pulling the trigger is SOP for Glock (after you have cleared the magazine and chamber) - see at around 0:55, but needless to say not when looking down the barrel.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Chris Mallory

    Clearing a firearm before packing it up to take home or before field stripping it for cleaning is a heavily reinforced safety norm these days.

    But following that up by pulling the trigger while pointed in a safe direction is another story. In a range environment, you might deliberately dry fire after clearing as an extra check and demonstration that the firearm is safe. But in your basement workshop cleaning up, you only typically dry fire after clearing if you are disassembling a striker fired pistol whose trigger mechanism gets in the way of removing the slide when the trigger sits in the cocked position. Glock pistols are like that, as well as the FN 509 which I mentioned earlier… and there may be some others I can’t think of at the moment… but classic hammer fired handguns generally don’t get dry fired during disassembly.

    As for the proverbial cop who shot himself while cleaning his revolver — yes, there is almost always a “Part B” to that kind of story. But it isn’t my place to presume the exact nature of that Part B.

    I highly recommend the YouTube videos of Paul Harrell and Hickok45 for demonstrating good firearms handling discipline and sober, useful information on the subject.

    • Agree: Chris Mallory
  187. @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    Anonymous Conservative has a good take on this today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I looked over on his blog and he had some kind of theory that the daughters of Dem politicians get raped as a loyalty test for their fathers. Sorry but that’s tinfoil hat quality speculation.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    YMMV.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Michael LeMoyne Kennedy skated on a statutory rape charge. The adolescent in question (junior high school age, IIRC) was the daughter of a Kennedy retainer.

    Replies: @David In TN

  188. There is no USMC-to-BUDS direct pipeline. A Marine would have to finish his enlistment and then start from Square One with a Navy recruiter to try to qualify for a SEAL challenge contract.

  189. @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    https://youtu.be/aoDUE0B090s?t=55

    Pulling the trigger is SOP for Glock (after you have cleared the magazine and chamber) - see at around 0:55, but needless to say not when looking down the barrel.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Chris Mallory

    The Gl9ck trigger pull is part of disassembly, It is not a safety check.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    Maybe it's not an INTENTIONAL safety check but it functions as one in any case. Others have given examples of situations, such as on a range, where dry firing in a safe direction IS used as an intentional double check on safety because it in fact functions as one.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Hibernian

  190. @Nikolai Vladivostok
    @Paperback Writer

    I apologize in advance for what I'm about to do:

    "Why does Edward Woodward have so many D's in his name?"

    "Because if he didn't, he'd be called Ewar Woowar."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Heh.

    Ewar Woowar sounds stupid but it’s easier to pronounce than Edward Woodward.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Paperback Writer

    There's a rural family around here that spells it "Woodard" to reflect how people pronounce it. They were likely 18th century German or Scots-Irish immigrants.

  191. @Tom F.
    My 'blink' at the photo is that this dude is gay, and advertising. Very Antifa. White, deviant, angry, 20, with tattoos. It takes a long time to get tattoos in the military, they indicate moments in military life; it doesn't take a long time to get tatted Antifa-style. It also takes training, planning, and support to destroy a battleship with fire. There is an active chapter of Antifa in San Diego. The dog that didn't bark is that nobody else in the 177 personnel admits to it or has an idea who did it.

    The fact that this guy goes from wanting to be a SEAL, washing out in five days, to hating the Navy, is a huge red flag for the Cluster B disorders described by Gavin DeBecker in 'The Gift of Fear' the type that gets psych-evaled out of police academies and winds up as a bitter security guard but maintains delusions of grandeur. It also takes a long time to be considered to test for SEALs, let alone be accepted. If you want to have a moment of humility, do a search for qualifications to apply, I was tired just reading it.

    Replies: @Tom F., @Truth

    ‘He’s some sort of psycho twink from a broken home.’

    Yes; and your typical fuq-up Caucasian…

    Wait a minute, let me guess:

    MK-ULTRA?!?!

  192. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Well, that's you.

    Remember John Geoghan? He was convicted of one count of sexual assault. Prosecutors in Boston brought that one count against him because that was the only charge for which they had a willing complainant whose complaint was not time-barred. The evidence against Geoghan was the testimony of that one man. He remembered no contextual details other than he crossed paths with Geoghan at a swimming pool. He did not even his age at the time of the incident. Geoghan was give a nine year sentence and murdered in prison. What Geoghan did (by the account of the young man) was squeeze the youth's buttocks.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jack D

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn’t seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law and the judge was correct in meting out that sentence. Justice may be blind but sentencing judges are not and the judge surely knew that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy’s butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys (all beyond the then statute of limitations). So 9 years in jail for just grabbing a boy’s butt is not fair but 9 years in jail for grabbing a boy’s butt plus 150 non-prosecutable rapes IS fair. You really have to look at the big picture.

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy’s lives he had damaged. Was the government supposed to give Geoghan a 24 hour personal guard so that none of the other prisoners could get at him? Keep him in solitary for 9 years (he would have gone nuts)? Child molesters are not popular guys in prison but maybe Geoghan should have considered that risk that before he molested so many little boys.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn’t seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law

    Note Lawyer A thinks Lawyer B should have the discretion to send someone to prison for 9 years for grabbing some kid's butt.


    that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy’s butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys

    Yeah, and 4,500 people had the goods on Brett Kavanaugh, delivered to the FBI tip line.

    The number of complaints was 130, they hadn't been collated when the judge sentenced him, and they were merely deemed believable complaints, not complaints demonstrated with a preponderance of the evidence. The man's name was public and there were splashy headlines and lawyers and plaintiff grifters looking for a piece of a bloc settlement. There were seven complaints filed against Geoghan during the period running from 1967 to 1992. The prosecutors fished up three concerning the period running from 1991 to 2002 and then discovered that two of the three wouldn't testify and the young man who did offered quite sketchy testimony (which was enough to give the jury the excuse to do what it wanted to do). Now, you can sit here and tell me you believe that 95% of the people molested by John Geoghan over a period of 30 years couldn't be bothered to file a complaint and that their willingness to file had nothing to do with the prospect of getting a settlement, and I'll sit here and tell you you're an ambulance chaser on the make.

    What's interesting about the Geoghan case is that the chancery under Cdl. Madeiros knew by 1980 that he was somewhere on the paedophile - pederast axis and put him back in the parish four additional times after periods of sunshine and pinochle at St. Luke's Institute. Cdl. Madeiros, Cdl. Law, and the administrator who ran the archdiocese in the interregnum between them were all implicated in at least one of these decisions. The vast majority of complaints against priests concerned genital fondling. Geoghan actually forcibly cornholed one youngster. There were some other cases like Geoghan's where the diocese knew roughly in real time they had a problem priest on their hands. For the most part, these complaints were offered > a decade after the fact with no evidence beyond the complainer's testimony.

    Replies: @Jack D

  193. @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D

    The Gl9ck trigger pull is part of disassembly, It is not a safety check.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe it’s not an INTENTIONAL safety check but it functions as one in any case. Others have given examples of situations, such as on a range, where dry firing in a safe direction IS used as an intentional double check on safety because it in fact functions as one.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Jack D

    You keep moving the goal posts. You clearly stated that "pointing in a safe direction and pulling the trigger to clear the firearm" was a traditional part of cleaning a weapon.

    It is not. The dry fire is used on some ranges and in some competitions to show the firearm is unloaded after it has been inspected by the safety officer before the shooter reholsters the weapon. It is not part of cleaning the firearm. I clearly stated as such in my first reply to you.

    Dry firing a striker fired pistol in order to disassemble it is not a safety procedure. It is required to mechanically disassemble the weapon.

    After I clean and reassemble a semi automatic pistol, I will usually do a controlled dry fire in order to function test the weapon. Again, not a safety procedure, but a check of serviceability.

    , @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    Clearing barrels, with sand at the bottom, are (or at least were) sometimes used. They're oil drums tilted at about a 45 degree angle with an aperture in the lid to insert a rifle. God help anyone who causes a discharge using one, but it's better than killing someone. Not sure if they're still used.

  194. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    I spent 14 months living on two different LPD's while in the Marines. The statement "...a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.

    Mays wearing women's stockings and going around saying "I love deck" - which is probably a play on for "I love dick" - may suggest he was a particularly obnoxious and vile homosexual who got off on creating awkward encounters with his fellow sailors.

    Would those things be enough to prompt his fellow shipmates to provide all of that hearsay about Mays? I'd say yes.

    And article 134 of the UCMJ is known as the general article, which means simply that can charge you with what ever they want and will.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @William Badwhite

    s. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.

    Could you elaborate?

  195. “While Mays initially wanted to be trained in advanced electronics computer fields, he eventually decided he wanted to attend Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training…”

    This quote is from another news article. You have to wonder about a guy who first wants to be a computer geek and then says, “On second thought, I guess I’ll be a SEAL.” He sounds unmoored, without a clear sense of his own strengths and goals.

    “I love deck.”

    My guess is that this phrase is an ironic/sarcastic reference to duty in the ship’s Deck Department which, from what I can gather, is a low-status pool of sailor labor for general maintenance and any “shit job” that needs doing. It may at the same time be a play on “I love dick,” as others have already suggested.

  196. @Jack D
    @SteveRogers42

    I looked over on his blog and he had some kind of theory that the daughters of Dem politicians get raped as a loyalty test for their fathers. Sorry but that's tinfoil hat quality speculation.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Art Deco

    YMMV.

  197. @additionalMike
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I, like most New Yorkers, would love to know which Democrat(s?) is/are behind the Luv Guv's recent troubles. He obviously has offended someone powerful enough to guide the Party and its media lapdogs in a coordinated attack.
    His grabby ways with women and failed policies (e.g. Covid in nursing homes) would get no exposure at all unless the Party had united against him.

    Replies: @Cato

    I, like most New Yorkers, would love to know which Democrat(s?) is/are behind the Luv Guv’s recent troubles. He obviously has offended someone powerful enough to guide the Party and its media lapdogs in a coordinated attack.

    Yes — some intrigue worthy of the Vatican is unfolding before our eyes. But, as usual, the media is not revealing the actors and their motivations.

  198. Blame the Navy’s failure to recognize talent – they should’ve made him the SEAL like he wanted to be: the guy clearly was a natural when it comes to sabotage 🙂

    • LOL: SteveRogers42
  199. @Jack D
    @SteveRogers42

    I looked over on his blog and he had some kind of theory that the daughters of Dem politicians get raped as a loyalty test for their fathers. Sorry but that's tinfoil hat quality speculation.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Art Deco

    Michael LeMoyne Kennedy skated on a statutory rape charge. The adolescent in question (junior high school age, IIRC) was the daughter of a Kennedy retainer.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    According to the 1984 Collier-Horowitz book on the Kennedys, Michael Lemoyne Kennedy was the "best" of Bobby's sons.

    The local DA dropped the charges against him when the girl's parents wouldn't allow her to testify.

    One of the (many) questions never asked about the Kennedys is why Bobby's sons (first four) were so prone to bad behavior? Even beyond Joe Sr.'s motif of the rules not applying to the Kennedys.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

  200. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn't seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law and the judge was correct in meting out that sentence. Justice may be blind but sentencing judges are not and the judge surely knew that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy's butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys (all beyond the then statute of limitations). So 9 years in jail for just grabbing a boy's butt is not fair but 9 years in jail for grabbing a boy's butt plus 150 non-prosecutable rapes IS fair. You really have to look at the big picture.

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy's lives he had damaged. Was the government supposed to give Geoghan a 24 hour personal guard so that none of the other prisoners could get at him? Keep him in solitary for 9 years (he would have gone nuts)? Child molesters are not popular guys in prison but maybe Geoghan should have considered that risk that before he molested so many little boys.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn’t seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law

    Note Lawyer A thinks Lawyer B should have the discretion to send someone to prison for 9 years for grabbing some kid’s butt.

    that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy’s butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys

    Yeah, and 4,500 people had the goods on Brett Kavanaugh, delivered to the FBI tip line.

    The number of complaints was 130, they hadn’t been collated when the judge sentenced him, and they were merely deemed believable complaints, not complaints demonstrated with a preponderance of the evidence. The man’s name was public and there were splashy headlines and lawyers and plaintiff grifters looking for a piece of a bloc settlement. There were seven complaints filed against Geoghan during the period running from 1967 to 1992. The prosecutors fished up three concerning the period running from 1991 to 2002 and then discovered that two of the three wouldn’t testify and the young man who did offered quite sketchy testimony (which was enough to give the jury the excuse to do what it wanted to do). Now, you can sit here and tell me you believe that 95% of the people molested by John Geoghan over a period of 30 years couldn’t be bothered to file a complaint and that their willingness to file had nothing to do with the prospect of getting a settlement, and I’ll sit here and tell you you’re an ambulance chaser on the make.

    What’s interesting about the Geoghan case is that the chancery under Cdl. Madeiros knew by 1980 that he was somewhere on the paedophile – pederast axis and put him back in the parish four additional times after periods of sunshine and pinochle at St. Luke’s Institute. Cdl. Madeiros, Cdl. Law, and the administrator who ran the archdiocese in the interregnum between them were all implicated in at least one of these decisions. The vast majority of complaints against priests concerned genital fondling. Geoghan actually forcibly cornholed one youngster. There were some other cases like Geoghan’s where the diocese knew roughly in real time they had a problem priest on their hands. For the most part, these complaints were offered > a decade after the fact with no evidence beyond the complainer’s testimony.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    The number of complaints was 130
     
    Boston Globe Spotlight said 150.

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/geoghan/

    At the time of his sentencing, "scores" of complaints had already been made, and the judge lawfully took those into account, just as I said before:

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/022202_case.htm

    If all he had done was pinch a boy's butt, he would have gotten probation, but the court knew that he had done far, far more than that.

    Let's say the opposite of what you said - that 95% of them were false - ALL of the ones that came forward later were just money grubbers. That still means that he molested at least 7 or 8 kids. As you say, the Church contemporaneously knew of at least 4 or 5 cases but did not turn him over to the authorities. Instead they'd send him to "rehab" and then back to molest the kids in a different parish.

    I'd say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero. Unless you believed that all 150 cases were false, 100% of them, prison was where he belonged.

    The 150 men who lodge complaints were nothing like the imaginary tipsters who met Kavanaugh in their dreams or visions. They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings. He'd come to their fatherless houses and read them "bed time stories" and so on.

    Replies: @D. K., @Art Deco

  201. @Truth
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well Achmed, vis-a-vis "white guys", look on the bright side; he's a failure at his profession who's screw-up caused the Navy millions of dollars; I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years...

    Replies: @fish, @SaneClownPosse

    I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years…

    Now I expect more from old sod…..you know the Republicans are going the way of the dinosaurs.

    Probably a lot of Juan’s occupying the Oval Office in the future. But hey…maybe the occasional Shitavious too.

    You and Tiny Duck….dare to dream!

  202. @JMcG
    @Hibernian

    Glocks, the pistols of choice for many police departments and Federal agencies, are unique in that they require the trigger to be pulled before disassembly, the first step in cleaning. Just a point of info.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Jack D, @Coemgen, @SaneClownPosse

    Not unique. Walther PPQ M2 requires the same action.

    Pointing the firearm in a safe direction.
    Step 1 drop the mag.
    Step 2 clear the breech.
    Step 3 drop the hammer.

    Anyone who would point the pistol at themselves, then pull the trigger to begin cleaning the firearm, was most likely not thinking clearly. Suicidal, maybe.

  203. @Truth
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well Achmed, vis-a-vis "white guys", look on the bright side; he's a failure at his profession who's screw-up caused the Navy millions of dollars; I believe this qualifies him to be your Republican nominee for president in 30 years...

    Replies: @fish, @SaneClownPosse

    But it doesn’t sound like the suspect is an Admiral’s son.
    Only sons of the elite can pull off that trick.

  204. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Sure by itself such a charge doesn’t seem to justify such harsh punishment but the punishment that Geoghan received (9 years in prison, not death) was within the letter of the law

    Note Lawyer A thinks Lawyer B should have the discretion to send someone to prison for 9 years for grabbing some kid's butt.


    that there was credible evidence that Geagan, aside from grabbing that boy’s butt, had also sexually molested 150 boys

    Yeah, and 4,500 people had the goods on Brett Kavanaugh, delivered to the FBI tip line.

    The number of complaints was 130, they hadn't been collated when the judge sentenced him, and they were merely deemed believable complaints, not complaints demonstrated with a preponderance of the evidence. The man's name was public and there were splashy headlines and lawyers and plaintiff grifters looking for a piece of a bloc settlement. There were seven complaints filed against Geoghan during the period running from 1967 to 1992. The prosecutors fished up three concerning the period running from 1991 to 2002 and then discovered that two of the three wouldn't testify and the young man who did offered quite sketchy testimony (which was enough to give the jury the excuse to do what it wanted to do). Now, you can sit here and tell me you believe that 95% of the people molested by John Geoghan over a period of 30 years couldn't be bothered to file a complaint and that their willingness to file had nothing to do with the prospect of getting a settlement, and I'll sit here and tell you you're an ambulance chaser on the make.

    What's interesting about the Geoghan case is that the chancery under Cdl. Madeiros knew by 1980 that he was somewhere on the paedophile - pederast axis and put him back in the parish four additional times after periods of sunshine and pinochle at St. Luke's Institute. Cdl. Madeiros, Cdl. Law, and the administrator who ran the archdiocese in the interregnum between them were all implicated in at least one of these decisions. The vast majority of complaints against priests concerned genital fondling. Geoghan actually forcibly cornholed one youngster. There were some other cases like Geoghan's where the diocese knew roughly in real time they had a problem priest on their hands. For the most part, these complaints were offered > a decade after the fact with no evidence beyond the complainer's testimony.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The number of complaints was 130

    Boston Globe Spotlight said 150.

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/geoghan/

    At the time of his sentencing, “scores” of complaints had already been made, and the judge lawfully took those into account, just as I said before:

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/022202_case.htm

    If all he had done was pinch a boy’s butt, he would have gotten probation, but the court knew that he had done far, far more than that.

    Let’s say the opposite of what you said – that 95% of them were false – ALL of the ones that came forward later were just money grubbers. That still means that he molested at least 7 or 8 kids. As you say, the Church contemporaneously knew of at least 4 or 5 cases but did not turn him over to the authorities. Instead they’d send him to “rehab” and then back to molest the kids in a different parish.

    I’d say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero. Unless you believed that all 150 cases were false, 100% of them, prison was where he belonged.

    The 150 men who lodge complaints were nothing like the imaginary tipsters who met Kavanaugh in their dreams or visions. They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings. He’d come to their fatherless houses and read them “bed time stories” and so on.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Jack D

    ***

    I’d say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero.

    ***

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy’s lives he had damaged.

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn%27s_Haredi_community

    What's the plural of "Yiddisher kop," Jackie? We need to get stomping....

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings.

    IOW, they were at one time members of one of the parishes to which he'd been assigned. The epistemology applied by Christine Blasey Ford's promoters (it's 'credible' if you lived in the same bulbous suburban county) wasn't yet au courant.

    The vast majority of priests had one or two accusations lodged against them. Those accusations were not offered in the context of media feeding frenzies about a particular individual. Even those in the database of 149 serial offenders had a mean of perhaps 20 accusations against them. Geoghan was a bad man, but the whole smog surrounding his case promoted bogus accusations. Some of the lawyers pursuing these cases (e.g. John Aretakis) are skeezy characters.

    I've been acquainted with two accused priests. One was actually subject to a criminal trial at which time the charges fell apart completely. The other faced a pair of accusations lodged 15 years after he'd retired. The midpoint of his years as a working clergyman was reached in 1977. The guy is 92 years old. He has no say over any civil settlements reached in his case.

  205. So a Cross-dressing arsonist: He’s at least guilty of being a Flamer.

  206. @Paperback Writer
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Heh.

    Ewar Woowar sounds stupid but it's easier to pronounce than Edward Woodward.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    There’s a rural family around here that spells it “Woodard” to reflect how people pronounce it. They were likely 18th century German or Scots-Irish immigrants.

  207. @JohnnyWalker123
    Tucker Carlson takes a trip.

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1422636389150060545

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1156011027567222785

    https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1422544671226667008

    https://twitter.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1422719170039402498

    The man has gone full fascist.

    This is the type of stuff that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly could've done 20 years ago.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hypnotoad666, @profnasty, @ATBOTL, @peterike, @AndrewR

    “Democracy” = anything Jewish pedophiles approve of

    “Destroying democracy” = doing anything Jewish pedophiles disapprove of

  208. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Eric Ruttencutter

    "one of the oldest tricks in the recruiter’s book - reel in a prospective recruit with unrealistic dreams of glory who is almost certain to fall short, and then use those guys to fill the most unwanted jobs"


    Perhaps now Pat Reilly, you might do something worse
    Than to leave your native country and enlist in the Black Horse

    Oh it's I took the bounty, the reckoning was paid
    The ribbons were brought out, me boys, and pinned to my cockade
    It's early the next morning we all were made to stand
    Before our grand general, with hats all in our hands

    He says to Pat Reilly "You are a little too low
    With some other regiment I fear you have to go"
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-TuKxHrrA

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    OK. So a person enlists in the United States Navy and ends up scraping paint?

    There was a story on NPR about pirates and pirate ships and how the pirates generally were able to overwhelm the crew of a merchant ship because there were a lot more pirates than merchant crew.

    Maybe this has changed with Somali or Molucca pirates, but there was a time when pirates were English naval mercenaries, so a pirate ship is a combat ship.

    Combat ships, generally speaking, have large crews so they have a manpower reserve in a fight to make up for casualties and to conduct damage control. Merchant ships have the bare minimum crew to their ship owners can make money.

    I am sure the person with visions of SEAL glory who ends up scraping paint has a “general quarters” assignment on a ship, usually some role in damage control if they don’t have a specific combat specialty such as radar or serving on a gun crew.

    Even in war time, military service is “hurry up and wait” and “long periods of utter boredom punctuated by sheer terror”? Yes, paint scraping is necessary that a Navy ship doesn’t rust into brown flakes over time. But paint scraping is also a way to occupy all of the extra “bodies” that you need in combat.

    Combat you ask? More than one US Navy ship has had to call upon its crew for heroic acts of damage control in encounters with merchant ships.

    So you know where the saying “They who only stoop down and scrape also serve” comes from. If the Navy has a lot of disgruntled deck scrapers, this is a failure of explaining the mission and the role of each sailor.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Inquiring Mind

    I know personally that if you have an interesting MOS even though you spend 80% of your time marching, cleaning weapons , standing in line, etc. and 20% behind a computer screen doing something halfway interesting, that's better than a 100/0 breakdown. Sure, there's a problem with kids naive enough to believe that the service is like college (or maybe that's just the line they give the chaplain or the shrink or whoever when they want to get out.)

  209. @Mark Roulo
    @Steve Sailer

    "Joseph Wambaugh LAPD novels report that suicide is more common among cops than firemen. It could be access to a gun or perhaps cops tend to have darker experiences or personalities than firemen. "

    There is an obvious difference in the day-to-day experience between the two jobs.

    Firefighters are almost always the "good guys." Most of their calls today are medical, but responding to medical or actual fire/crash/whatever the firefighters are trying to make individuals better off.

    Police are often the "bad guys." They are the ones who pull you over for doing a safe and prudent 50 MPH in a school zone. Or who arrested your friend for domestic violence.

    "Everybody" loves firefighters and there isn't a large national movement to de-fund them. Police ... not so much. That is just the nature of the job.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bill Jones

    About 70% of firefighters in the US are volunteers. not paid careerists.

  210. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    The number of complaints was 130
     
    Boston Globe Spotlight said 150.

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/geoghan/

    At the time of his sentencing, "scores" of complaints had already been made, and the judge lawfully took those into account, just as I said before:

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/022202_case.htm

    If all he had done was pinch a boy's butt, he would have gotten probation, but the court knew that he had done far, far more than that.

    Let's say the opposite of what you said - that 95% of them were false - ALL of the ones that came forward later were just money grubbers. That still means that he molested at least 7 or 8 kids. As you say, the Church contemporaneously knew of at least 4 or 5 cases but did not turn him over to the authorities. Instead they'd send him to "rehab" and then back to molest the kids in a different parish.

    I'd say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero. Unless you believed that all 150 cases were false, 100% of them, prison was where he belonged.

    The 150 men who lodge complaints were nothing like the imaginary tipsters who met Kavanaugh in their dreams or visions. They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings. He'd come to their fatherless houses and read them "bed time stories" and so on.

    Replies: @D. K., @Art Deco

    ***

    I’d say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero.

    ***

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy’s lives he had damaged.

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn%27s_Haredi_community

    What’s the plural of “Yiddisher kop,” Jackie? We need to get stomping….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @D. K.

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    It's not a Christians vs. Jews issue or a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue. It's an issue with people (often clergy but sometimes teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) who are placed in a position of trust with other people's children and with their superiors who are inclined to handle such matters internally because it would be bad for their business if such matters were to become public (and yes, they run businesses, sometimes big businesses, even if they call them "non-profit"). TBH, I don't have a high opinion of the clergy profession in general.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/world/australia/hillsong-brian-houston.html

    Replies: @D. K., @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG

  211. @D. K.
    @Jack D

    ***

    I’d say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero.

    ***

    TBH, getting stomped to death for what he had done was not unfair either given how many boy’s lives he had damaged.

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn%27s_Haredi_community

    What's the plural of "Yiddisher kop," Jackie? We need to get stomping....

    Replies: @Jack D

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    It’s not a Christians vs. Jews issue or a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue. It’s an issue with people (often clergy but sometimes teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) who are placed in a position of trust with other people’s children and with their superiors who are inclined to handle such matters internally because it would be bad for their business if such matters were to become public (and yes, they run businesses, sometimes big businesses, even if they call them “non-profit”). TBH, I don’t have a high opinion of the clergy profession in general.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/world/australia/hillsong-brian-houston.html

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Jack D

    "Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?"

    Can you point out where you evinced an equally casual, and even supportive, reaction to a Jewish inmate's being stomped to death in an American prison? Feeling up children is wrong, perverse and disgusting-- but it is decidedly not a capital offense in the United States! For an Ivy League-educated attorney to be supportive of such a brutally violent lynching of an incarcerated convict, let alone one whose only criminal conviction was for grabbing a ten-year-old boy's butt at a community swimming pool, is likewise disgusting to this former attorney (and altar boy).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan#Sexual_abuse_charges

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?
     
    Well, there was this recent thread where you sympathized with Roman Polanski in the context of his rape conviction and flight, at one point bizarrely praising him as an “extremely shrewd judge of human character as it really is”, “having survived the Krakow ghetto and the Stalinists”. You didn’t explicitly say it’s because he’s Jewish, but evidently his Jewishness was on your mind as you made excuses for him.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-future-mr-gittes-the-future/#comment-4797438 (#213, etc.)

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Roman Polanski?

  212. @Paperback Writer
    Question:

    Is Bon Homme Richard pronounced the American way ("Bonham Richard" - pronouncing "Richard" as in Richard Nixon) or a sort-of French way, "Bon'omme Rishard"?

    Replies: @flyingtiger

    In my younger days when I played Wooden Ships and Iron Men, and when talking about Jimbo’s dad, we used the first pronunciation.

  213. @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    Maybe it's not an INTENTIONAL safety check but it functions as one in any case. Others have given examples of situations, such as on a range, where dry firing in a safe direction IS used as an intentional double check on safety because it in fact functions as one.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Hibernian

    You keep moving the goal posts. You clearly stated that “pointing in a safe direction and pulling the trigger to clear the firearm” was a traditional part of cleaning a weapon.

    It is not. The dry fire is used on some ranges and in some competitions to show the firearm is unloaded after it has been inspected by the safety officer before the shooter reholsters the weapon. It is not part of cleaning the firearm. I clearly stated as such in my first reply to you.

    Dry firing a striker fired pistol in order to disassemble it is not a safety procedure. It is required to mechanically disassemble the weapon.

    After I clean and reassemble a semi automatic pistol, I will usually do a controlled dry fire in order to function test the weapon. Again, not a safety procedure, but a check of serviceability.

  214. @Mike Tre
    I spent 14 months living on two different LPD's while in the Marines. The statement "...a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.

    Mays wearing women's stockings and going around saying "I love deck" - which is probably a play on for "I love dick" - may suggest he was a particularly obnoxious and vile homosexual who got off on creating awkward encounters with his fellow sailors.

    Would those things be enough to prompt his fellow shipmates to provide all of that hearsay about Mays? I'd say yes.

    And article 134 of the UCMJ is known as the general article, which means simply that can charge you with what ever they want and will.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @William Badwhite

    I spent 14 months living on two different LPD’s while in the Marines. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.

    Friends that were Marine officers have told me that the men bitching and moaning is as normal as breathing. In fact if they’re NOT bitching, that was the time to start worrying.

    Curious if you agree/disagree?

    • Agree: SteveRogers42
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @William Badwhite

    Definitely agree. Everyone bitches about something - it passes the time, builds a sort of comradery among the men, and can be entertaining.

    The difference is in actions - do those same men come together and get the job done to a high standard, bitching all the while? Some do. It's the one's who sandbag, disregard small customs and courtesies (essential on a crowded ship at sea), or basically don't pull their own weight are the one's I observed and am referring to.

  215. @Gamecock
    So, iSteve, what part of your family was this Sailor?

    Replies: @Gamecock

    Dumb joke fails: I just noticed it’s Sailer, not Sailor.

  216. @Jack D
    @D. K.

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    It's not a Christians vs. Jews issue or a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue. It's an issue with people (often clergy but sometimes teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) who are placed in a position of trust with other people's children and with their superiors who are inclined to handle such matters internally because it would be bad for their business if such matters were to become public (and yes, they run businesses, sometimes big businesses, even if they call them "non-profit"). TBH, I don't have a high opinion of the clergy profession in general.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/world/australia/hillsong-brian-houston.html

    Replies: @D. K., @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG

    “Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?”

    Can you point out where you evinced an equally casual, and even supportive, reaction to a Jewish inmate’s being stomped to death in an American prison? Feeling up children is wrong, perverse and disgusting– but it is decidedly not a capital offense in the United States! For an Ivy League-educated attorney to be supportive of such a brutally violent lynching of an incarcerated convict, let alone one whose only criminal conviction was for grabbing a ten-year-old boy’s butt at a community swimming pool, is likewise disgusting to this former attorney (and altar boy).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan#Sexual_abuse_charges

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @D. K.

    Yeah, you make very good points that you're not allowed to make. In a similar vein, I like to point out that a lot of the "kids" that Catholic priests "molest" are gay teenagers who engage in consensual gay stuff with priests because they like it. It certainly isn't pretty, but it's ain't baby-rape.

    Replies: @Jack D

  217. @Jack D
    @D. K.

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    It's not a Christians vs. Jews issue or a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue. It's an issue with people (often clergy but sometimes teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) who are placed in a position of trust with other people's children and with their superiors who are inclined to handle such matters internally because it would be bad for their business if such matters were to become public (and yes, they run businesses, sometimes big businesses, even if they call them "non-profit"). TBH, I don't have a high opinion of the clergy profession in general.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/world/australia/hillsong-brian-houston.html

    Replies: @D. K., @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    Well, there was this recent thread where you sympathized with Roman Polanski in the context of his rape conviction and flight, at one point bizarrely praising him as an “extremely shrewd judge of human character as it really is”, “having survived the Krakow ghetto and the Stalinists”. You didn’t explicitly say it’s because he’s Jewish, but evidently his Jewishness was on your mind as you made excuses for him.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-future-mr-gittes-the-future/#comment-4797438 (#213, etc.)

  218. @Jack D
    @D. K.

    Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?

    It's not a Christians vs. Jews issue or a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue. It's an issue with people (often clergy but sometimes teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) who are placed in a position of trust with other people's children and with their superiors who are inclined to handle such matters internally because it would be bad for their business if such matters were to become public (and yes, they run businesses, sometimes big businesses, even if they call them "non-profit"). TBH, I don't have a high opinion of the clergy profession in general.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/world/australia/hillsong-brian-houston.html

    Replies: @D. K., @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG

    Roman Polanski?

  219. @Steve Sailer
    @Nathan

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don't help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Nathan, @JimDandy, @Alden

    “But the female sailor denied his story to investigators, saying they had never been engaged and she wasn’t pregnant.”

    I’m guessing she’s telling the truth. She goes on to say things that basically reinforce this scenario:

    “Or maybe this guy is a dick with a chaotic personality whom everybody hates for good reasons, but may not, technically speaking, have done it.”

  220. @D. K.
    @Jack D

    "Can you point out where I said it was OK for Jews to do this?"

    Can you point out where you evinced an equally casual, and even supportive, reaction to a Jewish inmate's being stomped to death in an American prison? Feeling up children is wrong, perverse and disgusting-- but it is decidedly not a capital offense in the United States! For an Ivy League-educated attorney to be supportive of such a brutally violent lynching of an incarcerated convict, let alone one whose only criminal conviction was for grabbing a ten-year-old boy's butt at a community swimming pool, is likewise disgusting to this former attorney (and altar boy).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan#Sexual_abuse_charges

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, you make very good points that you’re not allowed to make. In a similar vein, I like to point out that a lot of the “kids” that Catholic priests “molest” are gay teenagers who engage in consensual gay stuff with priests because they like it. It certainly isn’t pretty, but it’s ain’t baby-rape.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    What you say is true and aside from the gay part (which is a bit strange for a priest given the Church's teaching on this subject, like being an Orthodox rabbi who loves to eat ham - maybe you should have chosen a different profession?) - a priest having a "consensual" relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did.

    But, in Geoghan's case, he was apparently NONconsensually molesting PRE-adolescents, at least in the case of some out of his 150 alleged victims. Even if some of these cases involved consenting teens, quantity has its own quality, as Stalin used to say. But even more outrageous was the fact that he was apparently a true pedophile and not just an ephebophile.

    For various reasons (some of which may even be good reasons), some Western societies restrict sexual relations between adults and young people up to the age of 18, but others (and by others I don't mean chicken shit places but advanced countries such as Germany and Japan) set the bar as low as 13 or 14 and yet the sky does not fall upon them. Arguably, ephebophilia is not really a mental disease (even if it is made into a crime) but just a normal expression of mammalian sexuality - an outwardly sexually mature body is nature's way of telling you that individual is ready to have sex (even if the rules of your society tell you otherwise). But NOWHERE, not even Angola or the Philippines, does the age of consent fall below 12. It's a universal taboo that pre-adolescents should be left alone and sex with them is treated with universal revulsion.

    But in our modern neo-Victorian pants on fire age, such fine distinctions get completely lost.

    Replies: @D. K., @D. K.

  221. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Michael LeMoyne Kennedy skated on a statutory rape charge. The adolescent in question (junior high school age, IIRC) was the daughter of a Kennedy retainer.

    Replies: @David In TN

    According to the 1984 Collier-Horowitz book on the Kennedys, Michael Lemoyne Kennedy was the “best” of Bobby’s sons.

    The local DA dropped the charges against him when the girl’s parents wouldn’t allow her to testify.

    One of the (many) questions never asked about the Kennedys is why Bobby’s sons (first four) were so prone to bad behavior? Even beyond Joe Sr.’s motif of the rules not applying to the Kennedys.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @David In TN

    I get the feeling that when they were little, Bobby was a very busy guy and didn't spend a lot of time parenting. Boys need their dads to be around to provide a model of masculinity - when they grow up without one they tend to be holy terrors. If only mom is around, their idea of masculinity is formed by whatever the OPPOSITE of mom is, which doesn't quite get you to the right place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @David In TN

    , @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    Except he wasn't. Robert Kennedy had three sons younger than Michael, who were between the ages of 16 and 22 when that book was published. IIRC, none of the three have been the source of scandal in the intervening decades and one did the public weal a kindness by persuading the University of Illinois board of trustees to refrain from awarding the honorific 'emeritus' to Wm. Ayers. (Christopher Kennedy is in charge of the family real estate business, so likely one of the more skilled of Joseph Kennedy's grandchildren).

  222. @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    According to the 1984 Collier-Horowitz book on the Kennedys, Michael Lemoyne Kennedy was the "best" of Bobby's sons.

    The local DA dropped the charges against him when the girl's parents wouldn't allow her to testify.

    One of the (many) questions never asked about the Kennedys is why Bobby's sons (first four) were so prone to bad behavior? Even beyond Joe Sr.'s motif of the rules not applying to the Kennedys.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    I get the feeling that when they were little, Bobby was a very busy guy and didn’t spend a lot of time parenting. Boys need their dads to be around to provide a model of masculinity – when they grow up without one they tend to be holy terrors. If only mom is around, their idea of masculinity is formed by whatever the OPPOSITE of mom is, which doesn’t quite get you to the right place.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The smart money says the problem was a deficit of parental discipline and an over-reliance on hired help. See accounts of how the household of his brother-in-law Rushton Skakel was governed. See also accounts of how Ethel conducted herself after losing her husband. Someone once said of Rushton Skakel that he was a capable salesman with no other skills.

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    If you look beyond what the Camelot mythmakers wrote, Bobby didn't have a whole lot of time for his children. You might say he spent more time worrying about ghetto kids and scheming how to make the White House post-Dallas than on his sons.

    In the summer of 1969, before Mary Jo Kopechne's death, the Cousins formed a gang calling themselves the Hyannis Port Terrors, led by Bobby Jr. They took pleasure brutalizing the local kids. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s rationale was, "They wouldn't let Granpa live here."

    In fact, Joseph P Kennedy and his brood did live in Hyannis Port. Did Bobby Sr. teach Bobby Jr. this resentment?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  223. @JimDandy
    @D. K.

    Yeah, you make very good points that you're not allowed to make. In a similar vein, I like to point out that a lot of the "kids" that Catholic priests "molest" are gay teenagers who engage in consensual gay stuff with priests because they like it. It certainly isn't pretty, but it's ain't baby-rape.

    Replies: @Jack D

    What you say is true and aside from the gay part (which is a bit strange for a priest given the Church’s teaching on this subject, like being an Orthodox rabbi who loves to eat ham – maybe you should have chosen a different profession?) – a priest having a “consensual” relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did.

    But, in Geoghan’s case, he was apparently NONconsensually molesting PRE-adolescents, at least in the case of some out of his 150 alleged victims. Even if some of these cases involved consenting teens, quantity has its own quality, as Stalin used to say. But even more outrageous was the fact that he was apparently a true pedophile and not just an ephebophile.

    For various reasons (some of which may even be good reasons), some Western societies restrict sexual relations between adults and young people up to the age of 18, but others (and by others I don’t mean chicken shit places but advanced countries such as Germany and Japan) set the bar as low as 13 or 14 and yet the sky does not fall upon them. Arguably, ephebophilia is not really a mental disease (even if it is made into a crime) but just a normal expression of mammalian sexuality – an outwardly sexually mature body is nature’s way of telling you that individual is ready to have sex (even if the rules of your society tell you otherwise). But NOWHERE, not even Angola or the Philippines, does the age of consent fall below 12. It’s a universal taboo that pre-adolescents should be left alone and sex with them is treated with universal revulsion.

    But in our modern neo-Victorian pants on fire age, such fine distinctions get completely lost.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Jack D

    ". . . a priest having a 'consensual' relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did."

    BULLSHIT!

    ***

    According to Geimer's testimony to the grand jury, Polanski had asked Geimer's mother (a television actress and model) if he could photograph the girl as part of his work for the French edition of Vogue,[15] which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photoshoot. Geimer testified that she felt uncomfortable during the first session, in which she posed topless at Polanski's request, and initially did not wish to take part in a second but nevertheless agreed to another shoot. This took place on March 10, 1977, at the home of actor Jack Nicholson in the Mulholland area of Los Angeles.[16] When the crime was committed, Nicholson was on a ski trip in Colorado, and his live-in girlfriend Anjelica Huston who was there had left, but later returned while Polanski and Geimer were there. Geimer was quoted in a later article as saying that Huston became suspicious of what was going on behind the closed bedroom door and began banging on it, but left when Polanski insisted they were finishing up the photoshoot.[17] "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there."[18] In a 2003 interview, she recalled that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and described how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn't know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I'll get to come home after this".[19]

    Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a quaalude,[20] and despite her protests, he performed oral, vaginal, and anal sex acts upon her,[21][22] each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop.[14][23][24][25]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case#Rape_case

    STOP LYING, JACK!

    Replies: @Alden

    , @D. K.
    @Jack D

    P. S. The fulsome Roman Polanski laundry list:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/world/europe/roman-polanski-rape-france.html

  224. @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    According to the 1984 Collier-Horowitz book on the Kennedys, Michael Lemoyne Kennedy was the "best" of Bobby's sons.

    The local DA dropped the charges against him when the girl's parents wouldn't allow her to testify.

    One of the (many) questions never asked about the Kennedys is why Bobby's sons (first four) were so prone to bad behavior? Even beyond Joe Sr.'s motif of the rules not applying to the Kennedys.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Except he wasn’t. Robert Kennedy had three sons younger than Michael, who were between the ages of 16 and 22 when that book was published. IIRC, none of the three have been the source of scandal in the intervening decades and one did the public weal a kindness by persuading the University of Illinois board of trustees to refrain from awarding the honorific ’emeritus’ to Wm. Ayers. (Christopher Kennedy is in charge of the family real estate business, so likely one of the more skilled of Joseph Kennedy’s grandchildren).

  225. @Jack D
    @David In TN

    I get the feeling that when they were little, Bobby was a very busy guy and didn't spend a lot of time parenting. Boys need their dads to be around to provide a model of masculinity - when they grow up without one they tend to be holy terrors. If only mom is around, their idea of masculinity is formed by whatever the OPPOSITE of mom is, which doesn't quite get you to the right place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @David In TN

    The smart money says the problem was a deficit of parental discipline and an over-reliance on hired help. See accounts of how the household of his brother-in-law Rushton Skakel was governed. See also accounts of how Ethel conducted herself after losing her husband. Someone once said of Rushton Skakel that he was a capable salesman with no other skills.

  226. @Steve Sailer
    @Nathan

    Making a false statement to federal officials is what put Martha Stewart and Marion Jones in prison.

    Don't help federal officials with their inquiries. As soon as they call, get an expensive lawyer.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Nathan, @JimDandy, @Alden

    They might not let you call. “ Thus isn’t a criminal investigation. We just want to talk to you.”

    FBI isn’t required to give the Miranda warning. They can use audio visual recordings of interviews. But they often don’t. There’s 2 agents. They take written notes and then write up their version of the interview. They can and do make up whatever they want to make up.

    Contrast that to all other law enforcement agencies. Miranda warnings audio visual recordings of the interviews body cameras “ do you want to call your mommy” if the subject is 18 to 24 years old.

    Subject can say “ I want a lawyer I refuse to speak with you”’ but FBI might or might not write that statement down. Since they don’t do common violent street crimes, they can easily lie to the subject and tell him or her they’re investigating someone else. Then write up their notes to implicate the subject.

    Their main function today is catching military deserters. Who usually run right home to mommy wife or girl friend.

    What with cameras and silent alarms to local police in banks and more importantly cameras all over the parking lot and surrounding streets, bank robbers are often caught a few blocks away by a patrol car. Plus polygraphs of every bank employee. It’s often a woman bank employee and husband or boyfriend. So bank robbery is more local police catching low level criminals than the FBI going after sophisticated organized criminals.

    Another FBI function is federal employee security checks which are so worthless every agency has to do their own security checks.

    The FBI agents just write down everything any interviewee says with no judgement. For instance, security subject has an on going feud with a neighbor about neighbor’s dog. Large dog roams about all day pooping on lawns and drive ways digging in garbage cans and menacing joggers, walkers and bike riders. Dog owner claims security subject is an evil dog hater. FBI just writes that down and submits it. Also writes down statements of ex spouses. “ evil money grubbing witch”. “ He was mean to me”

    Because the FBI checks are so full of unsubstantiated gossip most agencies have to do their own.

    And they spend a lot of time investigating right wing White supremacist militia groups. Especially in the stations in smaller cities in more rural states. FBI and ATF spent years enticing and entrapping Randy Weaver into cutting an inch off a long gun barrel or whatever dreadful crime he committed.

    I’ve been suspicious of the FBI ever since they totally screwed up their investigation of Bernadette Dohrn and her accessory co conspirator Bill Ayers in the bombing of Park Police Station San Francisco which resulted in the murder of one police officer and mayhem GBI and permanent disability of another officer.

    The FBI disregarded every protection for suspects. Didn’t even bother to get a judge permission to tap their phones. So Dohrn and Ayers got just a few years in prison instead of life.

    Either the FBI was totally incompetent or purposely violated wire tapping and other laws in order to get charges dismissed because of violation of wire tapping law. I’ve always thought it was done on purpose to get the entire case against Dohrn and Ayers dismissed because of the illegal wiretaps.

    Recently read memoirs of an FBI agent who spent his entire career in Birmingham Al. All he did was chase but mostly not catch military deserters and search for but not find White supremacist militia groups. He was on the periphery of some bank robbers, always caught a mike away by local police because the bank cameras had car and license plate.
    He was disgustingly PC and an anti White White man like every other White government employee. Endless sneering at White trash hillbillies. Endless praise of blacks.

    His career ended as a recruiter. Endless kvetching because so few black woman agents. He didn’t mention that most of the woman clerks assistants receptionists finger print techs and non agent support staff in the FBI are black women. Even in states with few blacks like Vermont and Idaho.

    I’m sure his memoir was checked and authorized. If that’s typical FBI opinions, then the FBI is the enemy

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @Alden

    The FBI interviewers might not Mirandize you, but the moment they identify themselves as FBI agents -- no matter what they say they're investigating -- you tell them your lawyer will get back to them and then you just shut up completely.

    You might make a limited exception if you have a friend applying for some clearance and that friend tells you in advance that he's listed you as a reference. Even then, you might consider getting better friends instead.

  227. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    The number of complaints was 130
     
    Boston Globe Spotlight said 150.

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/geoghan/

    At the time of his sentencing, "scores" of complaints had already been made, and the judge lawfully took those into account, just as I said before:

    http://archive.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories/022202_case.htm

    If all he had done was pinch a boy's butt, he would have gotten probation, but the court knew that he had done far, far more than that.

    Let's say the opposite of what you said - that 95% of them were false - ALL of the ones that came forward later were just money grubbers. That still means that he molested at least 7 or 8 kids. As you say, the Church contemporaneously knew of at least 4 or 5 cases but did not turn him over to the authorities. Instead they'd send him to "rehab" and then back to molest the kids in a different parish.

    I'd say that the number of children you should be allowed to molest before you go to prison is any number greater than zero. Unless you believed that all 150 cases were false, 100% of them, prison was where he belonged.

    The 150 men who lodge complaints were nothing like the imaginary tipsters who met Kavanaugh in their dreams or visions. They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings. He'd come to their fatherless houses and read them "bed time stories" and so on.

    Replies: @D. K., @Art Deco

    They all had been boys who were documented to have been with Geoghan in church related settings.

    IOW, they were at one time members of one of the parishes to which he’d been assigned. The epistemology applied by Christine Blasey Ford’s promoters (it’s ‘credible’ if you lived in the same bulbous suburban county) wasn’t yet au courant.

    The vast majority of priests had one or two accusations lodged against them. Those accusations were not offered in the context of media feeding frenzies about a particular individual. Even those in the database of 149 serial offenders had a mean of perhaps 20 accusations against them. Geoghan was a bad man, but the whole smog surrounding his case promoted bogus accusations. Some of the lawyers pursuing these cases (e.g. John Aretakis) are skeezy characters.

    I’ve been acquainted with two accused priests. One was actually subject to a criminal trial at which time the charges fell apart completely. The other faced a pair of accusations lodged 15 years after he’d retired. The midpoint of his years as a working clergyman was reached in 1977. The guy is 92 years old. He has no say over any civil settlements reached in his case.

    • Thanks: Alden
  228. @William Badwhite
    @Mike Tre


    I spent 14 months living on two different LPD’s while in the Marines. The statement “…a person who showed disdain towards authority and the U.S. Navy.” can be applied to easily 50% of Naval personnel.
     
    Friends that were Marine officers have told me that the men bitching and moaning is as normal as breathing. In fact if they're NOT bitching, that was the time to start worrying.

    Curious if you agree/disagree?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Definitely agree. Everyone bitches about something – it passes the time, builds a sort of comradery among the men, and can be entertaining.

    The difference is in actions – do those same men come together and get the job done to a high standard, bitching all the while? Some do. It’s the one’s who sandbag, disregard small customs and courtesies (essential on a crowded ship at sea), or basically don’t pull their own weight are the one’s I observed and am referring to.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
  229. @Jack D
    @David In TN

    I get the feeling that when they were little, Bobby was a very busy guy and didn't spend a lot of time parenting. Boys need their dads to be around to provide a model of masculinity - when they grow up without one they tend to be holy terrors. If only mom is around, their idea of masculinity is formed by whatever the OPPOSITE of mom is, which doesn't quite get you to the right place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @David In TN

    If you look beyond what the Camelot mythmakers wrote, Bobby didn’t have a whole lot of time for his children. You might say he spent more time worrying about ghetto kids and scheming how to make the White House post-Dallas than on his sons.

    In the summer of 1969, before Mary Jo Kopechne’s death, the Cousins formed a gang calling themselves the Hyannis Port Terrors, led by Bobby Jr. They took pleasure brutalizing the local kids. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s rationale was, “They wouldn’t let Granpa live here.”

    In fact, Joseph P Kennedy and his brood did live in Hyannis Port. Did Bobby Sr. teach Bobby Jr. this resentment?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    If you look beyond what the Camelot mythmakers wrote, Bobby didn’t have a whole lot of time for his children.

    They had by 1963 eight children (with another three born between 1963 and 1969). With a family that size, the lateral relationships among the children and the vertical between the older and the younger are of greater salience, the vertical between parent and child less so.

    In December 1963 he could have landed a position with a Washington law firm, commuted home each evening to his estate in Fairfax County, Va., and left public life behind except for some ceremonial. His father was confined to a wheelchair and his brother was dead. Instead, he's sets up a nominal residency in New York and runs for Congress. Madcap ambition or high on his own supply.

  230. @David In TN
    @Jack D

    If you look beyond what the Camelot mythmakers wrote, Bobby didn't have a whole lot of time for his children. You might say he spent more time worrying about ghetto kids and scheming how to make the White House post-Dallas than on his sons.

    In the summer of 1969, before Mary Jo Kopechne's death, the Cousins formed a gang calling themselves the Hyannis Port Terrors, led by Bobby Jr. They took pleasure brutalizing the local kids. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s rationale was, "They wouldn't let Granpa live here."

    In fact, Joseph P Kennedy and his brood did live in Hyannis Port. Did Bobby Sr. teach Bobby Jr. this resentment?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    If you look beyond what the Camelot mythmakers wrote, Bobby didn’t have a whole lot of time for his children.

    They had by 1963 eight children (with another three born between 1963 and 1969). With a family that size, the lateral relationships among the children and the vertical between the older and the younger are of greater salience, the vertical between parent and child less so.

    In December 1963 he could have landed a position with a Washington law firm, commuted home each evening to his estate in Fairfax County, Va., and left public life behind except for some ceremonial. His father was confined to a wheelchair and his brother was dead. Instead, he’s sets up a nominal residency in New York and runs for Congress. Madcap ambition or high on his own supply.

  231. @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    What you say is true and aside from the gay part (which is a bit strange for a priest given the Church's teaching on this subject, like being an Orthodox rabbi who loves to eat ham - maybe you should have chosen a different profession?) - a priest having a "consensual" relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did.

    But, in Geoghan's case, he was apparently NONconsensually molesting PRE-adolescents, at least in the case of some out of his 150 alleged victims. Even if some of these cases involved consenting teens, quantity has its own quality, as Stalin used to say. But even more outrageous was the fact that he was apparently a true pedophile and not just an ephebophile.

    For various reasons (some of which may even be good reasons), some Western societies restrict sexual relations between adults and young people up to the age of 18, but others (and by others I don't mean chicken shit places but advanced countries such as Germany and Japan) set the bar as low as 13 or 14 and yet the sky does not fall upon them. Arguably, ephebophilia is not really a mental disease (even if it is made into a crime) but just a normal expression of mammalian sexuality - an outwardly sexually mature body is nature's way of telling you that individual is ready to have sex (even if the rules of your society tell you otherwise). But NOWHERE, not even Angola or the Philippines, does the age of consent fall below 12. It's a universal taboo that pre-adolescents should be left alone and sex with them is treated with universal revulsion.

    But in our modern neo-Victorian pants on fire age, such fine distinctions get completely lost.

    Replies: @D. K., @D. K.

    “. . . a priest having a ‘consensual’ relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did.”

    BULLSHIT!

    ***

    According to Geimer’s testimony to the grand jury, Polanski had asked Geimer’s mother (a television actress and model) if he could photograph the girl as part of his work for the French edition of Vogue,[15] which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photoshoot. Geimer testified that she felt uncomfortable during the first session, in which she posed topless at Polanski’s request, and initially did not wish to take part in a second but nevertheless agreed to another shoot. This took place on March 10, 1977, at the home of actor Jack Nicholson in the Mulholland area of Los Angeles.[16] When the crime was committed, Nicholson was on a ski trip in Colorado, and his live-in girlfriend Anjelica Huston who was there had left, but later returned while Polanski and Geimer were there. Geimer was quoted in a later article as saying that Huston became suspicious of what was going on behind the closed bedroom door and began banging on it, but left when Polanski insisted they were finishing up the photoshoot.[17] “We did photos with me drinking champagne,” Geimer says. “Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn’t quite know how to get myself out of there.”[18] In a 2003 interview, she recalled that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and described how she attempted to resist. “I said, ‘No, no. I don’t want to go in there. No, I don’t want to do this. No!’, and then I didn’t know what else to do,” she stated, adding: “We were alone and I didn’t know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I’ll get to come home after this”.[19]

    Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a quaalude,[20] and despite her protests, he performed oral, vaginal, and anal sex acts upon her,[21][22] each time after being told ‘no’ and being asked to stop.[14][23][24][25]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case#Rape_case

    STOP LYING, JACK!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @D. K.

    He also gave her Valium to throughly relax her. And make her groggy. In addition to the champagne.

    She was short, slim and flat chested even in her 30’s when she re appeared. So at 13 she wasn’t one of those 5’6 140 pound bosomy blossoming girls who look older than her years. She was like 5’3 105 flat chest looked like a child more that a bosomy blossoming teen. Not that that’s any excuse for anally raping any underage girl or boy, even if she is big enough to wear a bra and he’s 5’8 160 pounds. .

  232. @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    What you say is true and aside from the gay part (which is a bit strange for a priest given the Church's teaching on this subject, like being an Orthodox rabbi who loves to eat ham - maybe you should have chosen a different profession?) - a priest having a "consensual" relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did.

    But, in Geoghan's case, he was apparently NONconsensually molesting PRE-adolescents, at least in the case of some out of his 150 alleged victims. Even if some of these cases involved consenting teens, quantity has its own quality, as Stalin used to say. But even more outrageous was the fact that he was apparently a true pedophile and not just an ephebophile.

    For various reasons (some of which may even be good reasons), some Western societies restrict sexual relations between adults and young people up to the age of 18, but others (and by others I don't mean chicken shit places but advanced countries such as Germany and Japan) set the bar as low as 13 or 14 and yet the sky does not fall upon them. Arguably, ephebophilia is not really a mental disease (even if it is made into a crime) but just a normal expression of mammalian sexuality - an outwardly sexually mature body is nature's way of telling you that individual is ready to have sex (even if the rules of your society tell you otherwise). But NOWHERE, not even Angola or the Philippines, does the age of consent fall below 12. It's a universal taboo that pre-adolescents should be left alone and sex with them is treated with universal revulsion.

    But in our modern neo-Victorian pants on fire age, such fine distinctions get completely lost.

    Replies: @D. K., @D. K.

  233. @D. K.
    @Jack D

    ". . . a priest having a 'consensual' relationship with a 13 year old is no worse than what Polanski did."

    BULLSHIT!

    ***

    According to Geimer's testimony to the grand jury, Polanski had asked Geimer's mother (a television actress and model) if he could photograph the girl as part of his work for the French edition of Vogue,[15] which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photoshoot. Geimer testified that she felt uncomfortable during the first session, in which she posed topless at Polanski's request, and initially did not wish to take part in a second but nevertheless agreed to another shoot. This took place on March 10, 1977, at the home of actor Jack Nicholson in the Mulholland area of Los Angeles.[16] When the crime was committed, Nicholson was on a ski trip in Colorado, and his live-in girlfriend Anjelica Huston who was there had left, but later returned while Polanski and Geimer were there. Geimer was quoted in a later article as saying that Huston became suspicious of what was going on behind the closed bedroom door and began banging on it, but left when Polanski insisted they were finishing up the photoshoot.[17] "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there."[18] In a 2003 interview, she recalled that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and described how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn't know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I'll get to come home after this".[19]

    Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a quaalude,[20] and despite her protests, he performed oral, vaginal, and anal sex acts upon her,[21][22] each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop.[14][23][24][25]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case#Rape_case

    STOP LYING, JACK!

    Replies: @Alden

    He also gave her Valium to throughly relax her. And make her groggy. In addition to the champagne.

    She was short, slim and flat chested even in her 30’s when she re appeared. So at 13 she wasn’t one of those 5’6 140 pound bosomy blossoming girls who look older than her years. She was like 5’3 105 flat chest looked like a child more that a bosomy blossoming teen. Not that that’s any excuse for anally raping any underage girl or boy, even if she is big enough to wear a bra and he’s 5’8 160 pounds. .

  234. @Jack D
    @Chris Mallory

    Maybe it's not an INTENTIONAL safety check but it functions as one in any case. Others have given examples of situations, such as on a range, where dry firing in a safe direction IS used as an intentional double check on safety because it in fact functions as one.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Hibernian

    Clearing barrels, with sand at the bottom, are (or at least were) sometimes used. They’re oil drums tilted at about a 45 degree angle with an aperture in the lid to insert a rifle. God help anyone who causes a discharge using one, but it’s better than killing someone. Not sure if they’re still used.

  235. @Inquiring Mind
    @YetAnotherAnon

    OK. So a person enlists in the United States Navy and ends up scraping paint?

    There was a story on NPR about pirates and pirate ships and how the pirates generally were able to overwhelm the crew of a merchant ship because there were a lot more pirates than merchant crew.

    Maybe this has changed with Somali or Molucca pirates, but there was a time when pirates were English naval mercenaries, so a pirate ship is a combat ship.

    Combat ships, generally speaking, have large crews so they have a manpower reserve in a fight to make up for casualties and to conduct damage control. Merchant ships have the bare minimum crew to their ship owners can make money.

    I am sure the person with visions of SEAL glory who ends up scraping paint has a "general quarters" assignment on a ship, usually some role in damage control if they don't have a specific combat specialty such as radar or serving on a gun crew.

    Even in war time, military service is "hurry up and wait" and "long periods of utter boredom punctuated by sheer terror"? Yes, paint scraping is necessary that a Navy ship doesn't rust into brown flakes over time. But paint scraping is also a way to occupy all of the extra "bodies" that you need in combat.

    Combat you ask? More than one US Navy ship has had to call upon its crew for heroic acts of damage control in encounters with merchant ships.

    So you know where the saying "They who only stoop down and scrape also serve" comes from. If the Navy has a lot of disgruntled deck scrapers, this is a failure of explaining the mission and the role of each sailor.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I know personally that if you have an interesting MOS even though you spend 80% of your time marching, cleaning weapons , standing in line, etc. and 20% behind a computer screen doing something halfway interesting, that’s better than a 100/0 breakdown. Sure, there’s a problem with kids naive enough to believe that the service is like college (or maybe that’s just the line they give the chaplain or the shrink or whoever when they want to get out.)

  236. @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    They might not let you call. “ Thus isn’t a criminal investigation. We just want to talk to you.”

    FBI isn’t required to give the Miranda warning. They can use audio visual recordings of interviews. But they often don’t. There’s 2 agents. They take written notes and then write up their version of the interview. They can and do make up whatever they want to make up.

    Contrast that to all other law enforcement agencies. Miranda warnings audio visual recordings of the interviews body cameras “ do you want to call your mommy” if the subject is 18 to 24 years old.

    Subject can say “ I want a lawyer I refuse to speak with you”’ but FBI might or might not write that statement down. Since they don’t do common violent street crimes, they can easily lie to the subject and tell him or her they’re investigating someone else. Then write up their notes to implicate the subject.

    Their main function today is catching military deserters. Who usually run right home to mommy wife or girl friend.

    What with cameras and silent alarms to local police in banks and more importantly cameras all over the parking lot and surrounding streets, bank robbers are often caught a few blocks away by a patrol car. Plus polygraphs of every bank employee. It’s often a woman bank employee and husband or boyfriend. So bank robbery is more local police catching low level criminals than the FBI going after sophisticated organized criminals.

    Another FBI function is federal employee security checks which are so worthless every agency has to do their own security checks.

    The FBI agents just write down everything any interviewee says with no judgement. For instance, security subject has an on going feud with a neighbor about neighbor’s dog. Large dog roams about all day pooping on lawns and drive ways digging in garbage cans and menacing joggers, walkers and bike riders. Dog owner claims security subject is an evil dog hater. FBI just writes that down and submits it. Also writes down statements of ex spouses. “ evil money grubbing witch”. “ He was mean to me”

    Because the FBI checks are so full of unsubstantiated gossip most agencies have to do their own.

    And they spend a lot of time investigating right wing White supremacist militia groups. Especially in the stations in smaller cities in more rural states. FBI and ATF spent years enticing and entrapping Randy Weaver into cutting an inch off a long gun barrel or whatever dreadful crime he committed.

    I’ve been suspicious of the FBI ever since they totally screwed up their investigation of Bernadette Dohrn and her accessory co conspirator Bill Ayers in the bombing of Park Police Station San Francisco which resulted in the murder of one police officer and mayhem GBI and permanent disability of another officer.

    The FBI disregarded every protection for suspects. Didn’t even bother to get a judge permission to tap their phones. So Dohrn and Ayers got just a few years in prison instead of life.

    Either the FBI was totally incompetent or purposely violated wire tapping and other laws in order to get charges dismissed because of violation of wire tapping law. I’ve always thought it was done on purpose to get the entire case against Dohrn and Ayers dismissed because of the illegal wiretaps.

    Recently read memoirs of an FBI agent who spent his entire career in Birmingham Al. All he did was chase but mostly not catch military deserters and search for but not find White supremacist militia groups. He was on the periphery of some bank robbers, always caught a mike away by local police because the bank cameras had car and license plate.
    He was disgustingly PC and an anti White White man like every other White government employee. Endless sneering at White trash hillbillies. Endless praise of blacks.

    His career ended as a recruiter. Endless kvetching because so few black woman agents. He didn’t mention that most of the woman clerks assistants receptionists finger print techs and non agent support staff in the FBI are black women. Even in states with few blacks like Vermont and Idaho.

    I’m sure his memoir was checked and authorized. If that’s typical FBI opinions, then the FBI is the enemy

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

    The FBI interviewers might not Mirandize you, but the moment they identify themselves as FBI agents — no matter what they say they’re investigating — you tell them your lawyer will get back to them and then you just shut up completely.

    You might make a limited exception if you have a friend applying for some clearance and that friend tells you in advance that he’s listed you as a reference. Even then, you might consider getting better friends instead.

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