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From the New York Times news section

Conservatives Take Critical Bellwether Seat in Britain’s Parliament

Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s recent troubles didn’t seem to bother voters in Hartlepool, a struggling town in the northeast of England.

By Stephen Castle
May 7, 2021

LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain scored a striking political victory on Friday when his Conservative Party snatched a bellwether parliamentary seat from the opposition Labour Party, which had held it since the constituency’s creation in the 1970s.

In a by-election in Hartlepool, in northeast England, the Conservative candidate, Jill Mortimer, scored a convincing victory, capturing nearly twice as many votes as her Labour rival and consolidating Mr. Johnson’s earlier successes in winning over voters in working-class areas that had traditionally sided mainly with Labour.

Better still for the prime minister, the vote on Thursday came after days of publicity over claims that he broke electoral rules over the financing of an expensive refurbishment of his apartment.

#10 Downing Street really isn’t as lavish as the White House, and Prime Ministers are expected to pay for expenses for party business. E.g., in The Crown, Mrs. Thatcher is regularly shown personally frying up some kedgeree in her small kitchen for Conservative Party boffins when they stay late, after the servants have gone home, to discuss party rather than government business.

That appeared to have counted for little with voters in Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town, when the results were announced Friday morning after an overnight count.

Instead, voters may have been focused more on the gradual relaxation of Covid-19 restrictions in Britain after a successful vaccination program for which Mr. Johnson has been able to claim credit.

Bibi didn’t seem to benefit too much politically from Israel leading the world in vaccinations.

Though not unexpected, the outcome was a crushing defeat for Labour, underscoring the extent to which Mr. Johnson is rewriting Britain’s electoral map and dealing a blow to Keir Starmer, Labour’s leader. Mr. Starmer took over from Jeremy Corbyn last year after Labour’s defeat in the December 2019 general election, its worst performance in more than 80 years.

Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

That landslide election victory for the Conservatives in 2019 followed the crisis over Britain’s exit from the European Union, and Mr. Johnson scored well in many traditional working-class communities with his appeal to voters to give him the power to “get Brexit done.”

Though Britain has now completed its European Union withdrawal, and the issue is fading somewhat, the new Conservative victory suggests that Mr. Johnson remains popular in areas — like Hartlepool — that voted for Brexit in a 2016 referendum.

 
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  1. but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded

    Yes surely that’s the only reason a radical left hijacking of a major political party would flame out.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    @IHTG

    Corbyn gained the greatest ever swing to Labour in 2017, but just failed, thanks to Blairite treachery in the Party hierarchy. The Blairites, like their Boss, are absolute Sabbat Goy stooges. Corbyn was subjected to an unparalleled campaign of lies and vilification by the entire fakestream media sewer, the Jewish elite and the Atlanticist neo and paleo-fascists. England now sinks slowly into the shit, or gets vitrified if they do go the full monty and attack Russia or China. Nemesis.

  2. I am a POM and I am stunned. They used to have a gay, champagne-socialist, wannabe serial killer called Peter Mandelson as their MP. Everyone hated Peter Mandelson, even lefties. He was sent up to Hartlepool because they knew the people would vote for anyone with a red rosette.

    The only place in the UK that is more of a one party state is South Wales.

    PS. The local dialect is incomprehensible.

  3. Sean says:

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Long known as pro IRA, Corbyn was like the old Left never keen on the EU, and he was blamed for Brexit by the Labour establishment who thought he had been lukewarm in the Referendum campaign. The current Labour leader Starmer actually complained about Boris putting up business taxes the other month.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/04/david-cameron-and-gr

    Resembling Old Labour more than it does anything else, the actual centre ground in Britain combines “left-wing” economics with “right-wing” cultural values. Starmer’s problem is that he is unable to adopt either of these positions, let alone both. One of the lessons he takes from the Jeremy Corbyn debacle is that Labour must stand for economic orthodoxy. But it was Corbyn’s evident dislike for this country and his inveterate fondness for its enemies that produced the electoral disaster of 2019. His economic policies were, on the whole, popular among working-class Labour voters, and remain so today.[…] Unlike Starmer and the Conservatives’ neo-Thatcherite rump, Johnson has grasped this fact. His government has stumbled into applying something not unlike the Modern Monetary Theory touted by some of Corbyn’s supporters, according to which public borrowing can be financed simply by creating the money that is needed to pay for it. […] .The forthcoming Hartlepool by-election provides an interesting case study. Selecting as the Labour candidate an identikit Remainer, Paul Williams, and sending in others like Anneliese Dodds to campaign for him, Starmer was putting two fingers up to an electorate, nearly 70 per cent of which supported Brexit. By-elections are notoriously tricky to call, but it will not be surprising if the gesture is reciprocated in the polling booths and Labour loses the seat.

    The attitude of much of Labour’s membership towards the party’s traditional working-class supporters has something in common with that of colonial rulers to their subject peoples. Working men and women are valued not for what they are in themselves, but for what, given a proper education, they may someday become. But educating recalcitrant populations can be a thankless task, and it is not hard to detect a growing impatience with the unschooled masses. Merging with the Liberal Democrats, and perhaps the Greens, in a so-called progressive coalition would relieve Labour centrists of the need to feign solidarity with communities whose values they despise.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Sean

    Corbyn actually boosted the Labour vote in Hartlepool in 2017 and it was still held even in 2019. This is a Starmer disaster,
    Corbyn becoming Labour leader at all was a reaction against "New Labour" and also policies of austerity pursued both by it and by Conservative governments.

  4. And they’ll use this mandate to import two million more Hong Kongers and Singaporeans to grow the GDP and make British wages more competitive i.e lower.

    Ain’t the tories great?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Daniel H
    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Caspar von Everec

    People liked to say Brexit was to reduce immigration.

    That was a scam and I've said so repeatedly on here.

    You forgot the Indians and Nigerians.

    On the other hand I can't see any reason for any sane person to vote Labour.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Caspar von Everec

    Do Singaporeans want to immigrate to Britain?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  5. Good analysis Steve! Labour have aped the Democrats not realising the different demographics. Unfortunately the lumpen proletariat have realised there is something very wrong with Labour but have failed to realise how useless the Conservatives are, very much in the grip of neocons and the death dwarf Michael Gove in particular. There is a misapprehension that immigration is being sorted because of Brexit, it very much isn’t. Hopefully this will fade in due course as Brexit is largely done, and people will realise the Conservatives aren’t much better. Ironically on immigration May was actually pretty good, if she had just implemented Brexit…

    Corbyn had some charisma and opinions you were at least aware of. Starmer is a complete vacuum, his position being more lockdowns and more woke, that the Israeli embassy, and the other powers that be, approve of him is the sole reason he hasn’t been ousted yet, although he should be soon.

  6. Corbyn’s supporters were the worst. They would pour out of London and from their middle class government jobs in University enclaves in other towns, to harangue ordinary British people, on their own doorstep, about the many backwards ways that they lived.

    They claimed to be anti-colonial, but their entire movement was about colonialism. It was to reform the natives away from a desire to have a culture, a home and a sense of place; so that like Corbyn supporters, ordinary British people might also become dogmatic bores, full of bile and wounded egos.

    As all colonial movements do, they tried to ally themselves with ethnic minorities so as to use them as administrators against the indigenous. This explains their insipid anti-Semitism as many British Muslims come from closed communities wherein folk beliefs of Shia, Ahmadis and Jews eating babies are commonplace.

    [MORE]

    Corbyn also betrayed Britain on the EU, trying desperately to sell it out, ran on a Labour party platform of “open borders” and thought that if he offered “free broadband” to British people, that they would forgive the fact that his movement despised them and everything they stand for.

    Corbyn’s loss in 2019 was cataclysmic. He lost voters who for a hundred years would have died rather than vote Conservative, and it seems that the wound once struck, will bleed and bleed and bleed.

    But don’t be assumptive. This doesn’t mean that there is support for some right wing programme. It is mostly just that Corbyn and his supporters were so obnoxious that even half of his voters couldn’t stand them. The Conservative government has a mandate to govern with a centrist balance in both economic and social issues.

    On immigration, for example, in terms of what they are willing to do to stop it, they are to the right of the populace. Johnson is even a noted fan of Soumission.

    But if immigration restriction activists want serious action to be taken to stem the flow of “new Britons” then they need to gain popular support for seemingly unkind government actions, or for actions those to be done and never publicised.

    Getting people to “support” lower immigration without them supporting unkind restrictionist enforcement measures is like getting them to support increases in government spending without tax rises, it is easy, but also the construction of a paper tiger.

    To put it simply, you need the opinion poll question to be “do you support the government lowering immigration even by putting kids in cages”. Restrictionists have kidded themselves for far too long with mere expressions of glib public support, like a Sales Rep who claims a sale because the lead says “sounds interesting”.

    On the other hand, the Conservative government is working hard to push back against the whole progressive cult. Its main politicians have seen the SJW takeover of the institutions and they are quite serious about taking them back. They are experienced and well-connected, though they are going to struggle a little. The government is only one institution among many in Britain and, like in the US, unions, universities, minority group representatives and much of the apparatus of cultural production have been captured.

    Populist movements, against elite ideological programmes, need shows of popular support. This is where Trump suffered. Screw accusations of insurgency, there should have been the January 6th demonstrations every weekend during his Presidency to back him. Johnson’s government gets this. They have organised events, such as that to celebrate Brexit, to prove, in a media friendly way, that people will turn out for them. Moderns seem to only spontaneously demonstrate when they’ve lost. This is mad. Publically celebrate your victories.

    • Replies: @Not only wrathful
    @Not only wrathful

    And for proof of my post, see all of the top comments on this Guardian article. They universally blame the Labour loss on the vicious "gammon" stupidity of the British voter.

    Lol, may those progressives never learn...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

  7. Yes the Hartlepool election is more of the same electoral realignment seen across the Western world, a more interesting result is Madrid where the anti-lockdown leader doubled her vote whilst the socialist vote halved.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @LondonBob

    Indeed. And the “far-right” Vox has consolidated a position as a valid ally to form a government. But then Santiago Abascal and Ayuso are true statesmen😀, while leftist Sanchez is inept and a proven liar in Soros’ pocket. His unkempt sidekick Iglesias an egregiously corrupt, divisive politician. In Spain, the discourse of the right has been extremely well articulated, and in culture-war terms to boot. France is an interesting case, with a few voices speaking of sovereignty, of risk of civil war, of love for France. And an anti-immigration assimilationist candidate for the 2022, jewish Eric Zenmour, has been accused of sexual harassment.
    https://www.healthquantum.us/2021/05/04/polemicist-eric-zemmour-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-socialist-gaelle-lenfant-47/

  8. @Not only wrathful
    Corbyn's supporters were the worst. They would pour out of London and from their middle class government jobs in University enclaves in other towns, to harangue ordinary British people, on their own doorstep, about the many backwards ways that they lived.

    They claimed to be anti-colonial, but their entire movement was about colonialism. It was to reform the natives away from a desire to have a culture, a home and a sense of place; so that like Corbyn supporters, ordinary British people might also become dogmatic bores, full of bile and wounded egos.

    As all colonial movements do, they tried to ally themselves with ethnic minorities so as to use them as administrators against the indigenous. This explains their insipid anti-Semitism as many British Muslims come from closed communities wherein folk beliefs of Shia, Ahmadis and Jews eating babies are commonplace.

    Corbyn also betrayed Britain on the EU, trying desperately to sell it out, ran on a Labour party platform of "open borders" and thought that if he offered "free broadband" to British people, that they would forgive the fact that his movement despised them and everything they stand for.

    Corbyn's loss in 2019 was cataclysmic. He lost voters who for a hundred years would have died rather than vote Conservative, and it seems that the wound once struck, will bleed and bleed and bleed.

    But don't be assumptive. This doesn't mean that there is support for some right wing programme. It is mostly just that Corbyn and his supporters were so obnoxious that even half of his voters couldn't stand them. The Conservative government has a mandate to govern with a centrist balance in both economic and social issues.

    On immigration, for example, in terms of what they are willing to do to stop it, they are to the right of the populace. Johnson is even a noted fan of Soumission.

    But if immigration restriction activists want serious action to be taken to stem the flow of "new Britons" then they need to gain popular support for seemingly unkind government actions, or for actions those to be done and never publicised.

    Getting people to "support" lower immigration without them supporting unkind restrictionist enforcement measures is like getting them to support increases in government spending without tax rises, it is easy, but also the construction of a paper tiger.

    To put it simply, you need the opinion poll question to be "do you support the government lowering immigration even by putting kids in cages". Restrictionists have kidded themselves for far too long with mere expressions of glib public support, like a Sales Rep who claims a sale because the lead says "sounds interesting".

    On the other hand, the Conservative government is working hard to push back against the whole progressive cult. Its main politicians have seen the SJW takeover of the institutions and they are quite serious about taking them back. They are experienced and well-connected, though they are going to struggle a little. The government is only one institution among many in Britain and, like in the US, unions, universities, minority group representatives and much of the apparatus of cultural production have been captured.

    Populist movements, against elite ideological programmes, need shows of popular support. This is where Trump suffered. Screw accusations of insurgency, there should have been the January 6th demonstrations every weekend during his Presidency to back him. Johnson's government gets this. They have organised events, such as that to celebrate Brexit, to prove, in a media friendly way, that people will turn out for them. Moderns seem to only spontaneously demonstrate when they've lost. This is mad. Publically celebrate your victories.

    Replies: @Not only wrathful

    And for proof of my post, see all of the top comments on this Guardian article. They universally blame the Labour loss on the vicious “gammon” stupidity of the British voter.

    Lol, may those progressives never learn…

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

  9. Twitter has reacted by claiming that Hartlepudlians are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

    Here’s Steve’s boy, Ed West, arguing at the end of 2019 that the Tories will become extinct:

    https://unherd.com/2019/12/even-if-the-tories-win-they-face-huge-trouble-ahead/

  10. Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    That wasn’t a result of of super duper Jewish IQ. It was the result of passion. Sure, you need to get across a certain threshold in order to be effective (Whites are more than hight enough), but once there, the issue is, what do you care about?

    To the consternation of many, including some HBD’ers, Whites will become more politically active as a group, openly, for their own interests.

    Yes, it’s identity politics. Guess what, all politics is identity politics.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @RichardTaylor


    Guess what, all politics is identity politics.
     
    All except white politics, surely? We keep voting in other people's interests.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    Guess what, all politics is identity politics.
     
    Which is why smart whites back repatriation of the unassimilable. The unassimilable have never added anything of value, just headaches.

    As Idi would say, get this garbage out of my country.

  11. Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town

    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites in already overcrowded England. I wonder how that’s going?

    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Wilkey

    The Tories are also planning to make it easier for Indians to move to Britain.

    Replies: @rec1man

    , @Anon
    @Wilkey

    No, idiot, Boris wants Hong Kongers because he wants their human capital. Would you rather China have it? Also, millions of Chinese women!!! Wow, who doesn't like that, except cucks?

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.
     
    Agree.

    There will be economically struggling regions as economies change. But in a one-peopleish nation people can migrate and
    a) get the new jobs
    and
    b) still ... be in their nation.

    This immigration insanity ... is a cancer. It's appalling that in the West you can hardly find a leader interested in running their nation for the benefit of the people of the nation.
    , @Blinky Bill
    @Wilkey


    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites
     
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcP1piExSlR32pXYaDM0FLkmhWvDhdgUUuoQ&usqp.jpg

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  12. Corbyn did well (but still lost remember) in 2017 because the Tories thought they couldn’t lose so they ran on a dry as dust economic program which alienated places like Hartlepool, and a hard Brexit which alienated people who voted remain. So people voted Labour thinking also the election was a sure thing for the Tories. In 2019 the Tories moved left on the economy and won.

    If the congressional republicans had allowed Trump to do the same thing he would have won too. Such a pity.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Irishman

    I doubt that Starmer will get as close to knocking out BoJo in the next Parliamentary election as Corbyn got to knocking out May.

    Corbyn lost in 2019, because of Brexit. Starmer would have done worse. Starmer is less popular than Corbyn in blue collar areas outside of London. The local elections illustrate it.

    The defamation campaign against Corbyn has done long term damage to the Labour Party.

    , @Not Raul
    @Irishman

    I doubt that Starmer will get as close to knocking out BoJo in the next Parliamentary election as Corbyn got to knocking out May.

    Corbyn lost in 2019, because of Brexit. Starmer would have done worse. Starmer is less popular than Corbyn in blue collar areas outside of London. The local elections illustrate it.

    The defamation campaign against Corbyn has done long term damage to the Labour Party.

  13. The Guardian comments this morning are doubling down on the “white working class people are thick racists” theme after Hartlepool.

    Top comments

    “What kind of moron walks to the ballot box thinking they want to vote Tory after the past 12 months?”

    “What a shocker throwing the vast majority of your pro European union supporters under the bus in search of the mythical traditional Labour voter who hasn’t voted Labour since the 1960’s didn’t work so well. Who would have thought!”

    “The loss of Hartlepool to the Conservatives is a dreadful indictment of the state of our shoddy nation. The pull of populism is frightening, with echoes of events in early 1930s Germany. This government and those who continue to vote for it should be ashamed.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

    This is an age/education thing. Those of us who grew up and were educated pre-1990s tended to see people like miners and steelworkers as good guys, salt of the earth working folk.

    There are no miners and precious few steelworkers now, and people brought up on UK history as the long story of white racism are just following what they’ve been taught in school or at college. That Hartlepool voted 70% for Brexit just increases the hatred.

    When I hear the educated middle-class folk I move and live among (I didn’t use to live among them, my rural village has been taken over over by the area manager or even director class) talk about Brexit voters or Trump voters, I feel like I’ve been transported back to 1890 and they’re talking about the Labour Party of 1890. It’s a class thing. And while they are all “anti-racist”, there’s a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.

    • Thanks: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @photondancer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That open contempt for the unwashed masses is probably what led to this type of person being dubbed a 'gentry liberal'. You could slot them into a Victorian novel as the local baronet sniffing at the Chartist menace among his labourers without any change.

    , @Forbes
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s a class thing. And while they are all “anti-racist”, there’s a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.
     
    They live in a 100% white locality, so they must mouth "anti-racist" banalities to signal their virtue vanity. Like taking an oath or pledging allegiance signifying group affinity.
    , @dfordoom
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s a class thing.
     
    Almost everything in politics is a class thing. Even the things that seem to be ideological usually turn out, on closer examination, to be driven by class hatred.
  14. The hardcore Labour voters could never switch directly to Tory, so they made the move in smaller jumps, Labour to Brexit party then on to the Tories

    Tories like Boris never really wanted Brexit but its working out well for them in some ways

  15. If the US had a media environment like England the Republicans would win 80 percent of elections. It just is what it is.

  16. If nothing else this means the left will be getting lots less traction in the UK. Dittos for the woke and the BLM factions. Contrast this with the political atmosphere in the US. Where major corporations and major institutions cannot wait to genuflect to BLM type demands. To establish black quotas. To humiliate themselves with apologies for their racist pasts.

    Why even the shrinks (Organization) caved in the other day, but this was predictable. (lulz)

  17. @Wilkey

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites in already overcrowded England. I wonder how that’s going?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Anon, @AnotherDad, @Blinky Bill

    The Tories are also planning to make it easier for Indians to move to Britain.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @rec1man
    @Kent Nationalist

    The deal was India will take back all the Indian illegal immigrants, about 300k, ( mostly low class laborers ) in exchange for 3000 work visas for technical jobs

  18. Huffpo think the problem with Hartlepool is too many white voters, Guardian liveblogger Andrew Sparrow calls it “a very good analysis“.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/six-reasons-labour-lost-hartlepool-byelection_uk_6094fdd9e4b0b37f89476272

    “Labour’s problems with white working class voters contrast with its successes in maintaining its vote among Britain’s large Asian population. But while that vote is incredibly loyal (as proved in seats like Bedford, as well as big cities, in the 2019 election), it is obviously absent in many towns across the country and Hartlepool is a clear example.

    Labour’s next big by-election challenge is likely to be in Batley and Spen, which sitting MP Tracey Brabin will have to vacate if she wins the West Yorkshire mayoralty. Fortunately for the party, there is a substantial south Asian heritage population in the seat”

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That's as close as it gets to saying straight out, "Let's elect a new people".

  19. I was pulling for Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F’tang-F’tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel.

    • LOL: martin_2
  20. See what happens when election officials do not allow the left to bring in pallets of ballots that were allegedly found in broom closets and the boots (trunks in the US) of cars?

    The left: “If we can’t cheat, we can’t compete!”

    • Agree: Tex, Forbes
  21. but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it’s just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don’t have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @dearieme

    '...Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it’s just as well that his mob lost...'

    God forbid being anti-semitic. You can be a sexual deviant, invariably refer to Islam with hostility and contempt, even dislike blacks. It is of course quite alright to be anti-white.

    But anti-semitism? The horror. What justification could there possibly be for that?

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @dearieme

    The problem for Corbyn was that the campaign against him was at least 50% taking place inside the Labour Party, as the Blairites (Starmer, Wes Streeting etc) did all they could to sabotage his campaign - one major blow being persuading him to support a second referendum, which infuriated voters in places like Hartlepool.

    It's all academic from my perspective, as I didn't want him to win - he'd have opened the borders even wider than Boris on Day 1 as compensation for imperialism and slavery. But the campaign (and the lies about anti-semitism, still echoed even here) was by people who were horrified by the prospect, however remote, of a British Prime Minister not 110% supportive of Israel, as Blair/Cameron/May all were.

    When you remember Mossad had a guy from the embassy in London plotting with the aide of a (Jewish) Tory MP to bring down a junior Tory Foreign Office minister (Alan Duncan, another politician I have little time for), you have to judge that a lot more effort would be put in against a potential Prime Minister with the wrong views.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098082/Astonishing-undercover-video-captures-diplomat-conspiring-rival-MP-s-aide-smear-Deputy-Foreign-Secretary.html


    Further footage shows the Israeli diplomat, intelligence expert Shai Masot, telling senior Labour MP Joan Ryan that he has obtained ‘more than £1 million’ to pay for sympathetic Labour MPs to visit Israel.

    Mr Masot also mocks ‘crazy’Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his ‘weirdo’ supporters. Footage shows pro-Israel Labour activists discussing the Jerusalem government’s secret role in backing their activities.

    Last night it emerged that Israeli ambassador Mark Regev had made a full apology to Sir Alan for Mr Masot’s ‘completely unacceptable’ comments.
     
    , @Lot
    @dearieme

    “ they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks”

    No evidence that Corbyn hates Jews as a race like some of our friends here. He rejects any idea of a special status or sensitivity for Jews however, and we can’t have that.

    Corbyn is kind of a DeBlasio figure: an obscure and somewhat dumb white politician who dislikes whites, is in a white-minority big city, and identifies with dysfunctional minorities (blacks and Muslims, not Jews or NE Asians) and who rose suddenly as a fluke.

    Corbyn, being a far left black in mentality (like his oldest ally Diane Abbot), dislikes Jews but not uniquely, but as “super-whites” which is how Jews appear to blacks.

    , @Rob McX
    @dearieme


    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don’t have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.
     
    "Not having a policy on the Middle East" is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America's problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Art Deco
    @dearieme

    that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks.

    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway. Israel's primary antagonists are Al Fatah, Hamas, the Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran. Israel had passable relations with Iran up until 1979, when the Khomeini regime declared Israel an enemy for ideological reasons. Syria has never been willing to negotiate anything more elaborate than a cease fire with any other party. Hezbollah is a cat's paw of Iran. Hamas makes it quite clear that the destruction of Israel is the sine qua non of any settlement. Al Fatah has a long history of double-dealing and criminal activity as well as repeatedly sabotaging and rejecting settlements on the table. What's Corbyn's argument here? That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons? What does it matter if you call that attitude 'anti-semitic' or not?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Rob McX
    @dearieme


    I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.
     
    You'd need a time machine for that, and go back a century to a homogeneous Britain. These days the only meaningful divide is between indigenous Britons and everyone else looking to benefit at their expense - globalist capitalists, foreign invaders, etc. The problem is finding a party that will even make a half-hearted attempt to work in the interests of the British people.
    , @dfordoom
    @dearieme


    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.
     
    If you want to return to the days when Britain was a great country you're going to have to utterly destroy the Conservative Party as well.

    And Whigs vs Tories is not what God intended. I cannot believe that any God could be so depraved as to favour democracy. You need a king. A real king. Not the celebrity trash Windsors and not the constitutional monarchy nonsense.
  22. OT:
    New Van Morrison album:

    Latest Record Project Volume 1 playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN03oZEvHLX2Q6FUpiwoLNtNkuEnt_mFs

    • Replies: @Anon
    @MEH 0910


    New Van Morrison album:
     
    That first song was really funny. It sounds like Van is getting testy about what the music industry has become.

    Now if only Georgie Fame will release a new record.
    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1390835928701317125

    Van Morrison - They Own The Media (Official Audio)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Zg023J-ok


    Lyrics:

    They tell us that ignorance is bliss
    I guess for those that control the media it is
    They own the media
    They control the stories we are told
    If you ever try to go against them
    You will be ignored

    Cause they control, they control
    They control the narrative
    They perpetuate the myth
    Keep on telling you lies
    Tell you ignorance is bliss
    Believe it all and you’ll
    Never get wise to the truth
    Cause they control everything you do
    Everything you do
    Everything you do
    Everything you do

    They control the narrative
    They perpetuate the myth
    Keep on selling you lies
    Tell you ignorance is bliss
    Believe it all and you
    Never get the truth
    Never get wise, wise to their lies
    To their lies
    They control the media
    They control the media
    They control the media
    They control the media
     
  23. I don’t keep track of UK politics much but didn’t Jeremy Corbyn openly come out as both anti Israel & also said he was anti white?

    Called for giving houses away to immigrants or some such for free?? If so I’m not shocked he lost his ass….imagine you’re working poor & staying in govt housing and they come along to give Ackmed your house you worked for and you jave kids and elderly parents living with you….yeah….

  24. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, the Labour defeat in Hartlepool – and Brexit for that matter – are the belated backlash against the rampant free-for-all immigrationism (Economist) pursued by the Blair/Brown government of 1997-2010.

    Ironically, Hartlepool was the constituency of the truly odious Peter Mandelson, a monster, who was neck deep in very *serious* fraud, corruption and false declaration accusations, him being the personal beneficiary of some very very dodgy people.

    Famously, when a lone voice dared to pipe up about how Blair’s rampant immigrationism was alienating traditional blue collar Labour voters, Mandelson snapped back, a la Marie Antoinette, “They have no where else to go”.

    Well they have.
    And they’ve gone.

  25. Just wait ‘til the BAMES figure out how to make vote-counting a money making enterprise, as was experienced in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc. last year. I guess Starmer isn’t enough of a visionary to figure this one out.

  26. Anon[922] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Eric Turkheimer protégé (Kathryn) Paige Harden has a release date (September 21, 2021) and cover for her book:

    The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality

    A provocative and timely case for how the science of genetics can help create a more just and equal society

    In recent years, scientists like Kathryn Paige Harden have shown that DNA makes us different, in our personalities and in our health―and in ways that matter for educational and economic success in our current society.

    In The Genetic Lottery, Harden introduces readers to the latest genetic science, dismantling dangerous ideas about racial superiority and challenging us to grapple with what equality really means in a world where people are born different. Weaving together personal stories with scientific evidence, Harden shows why our refusal to recognize the power of DNA perpetuates the myth of meritocracy, and argues that we must acknowledge the role of genetic luck if we are ever to create a fair society.

    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.

    The “we must acknowledge our genetic luck” is quite philosophically bufuddling, since “we” do not exist before our genome makes and defines us during meiosis, and without that genome, we would no longer be we. It’s like asking what time it was just before the Big Bang. But no matter. Just concentrate on the simple message that we have to give a lot of money to black people. Forever. Hopefully this new way of thinking seques into “they must acknowledge their genetic misfortune (of criminality).”

    • Agree: Some Guy
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anon


    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.
     
    If you're going to help everyone who drew a short straw in the genetics game, why stop at humans? Chimps and cockroaches need a hand up too.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Forbes
    @Anon

    The left continues to stumble over the inherent conflict/contradiction between equality and diversity, i.e. they love, love, love diversity (genetic diversity is the natural state of affairs). Try as they might, they can't square the circle with equality.

    This results (for the left) in narrowly, and purposefully, redefining diversity and equality, e.g., blacks are diverse, whites are not; equality means equal outcomes.

    Replies: @anon

  27. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Asians (especially the NE Asian variety being attacked in NYC, Oakland/SF, Baltimore) are supposed to be smart. How long before they figure out leftist/liberal policies directly affect them and their grandmothers?? This stabby guy was arrested for a violent attack in 2017 and was supposed to be doing a 25-to-life sentence.

    Instead of holding mere symbolic #StopAsianHate #StopAAPIHate rallies it’d be more prudent to not support/vote for leftist Jewish DAs whose parents were both in prison for murder (father still locked up in max) or black mayors who come from the projects.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    ThreeThreeSeven, vicious POS who should be in prison but California has shown at the ballot box, uber leftist chesa boudin is SF's new DA, that they want to try "restorative justice" for a while. Slowly the Asians in the Bay Area might swing right. We will see.

  28. Great. The Tories are based followers of Sailer/Angling/Unz.

    PM – BoJo clown – (((American mum)))
    Home sec – Indian
    Chancellor – Indian
    Foreign Sec – (((raab)))
    Londonistan mayor – African.

    Me – did not vote. Will not vote. Restore democracy & let the BNP stand.

  29. Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Your rhetorical questions are sub-witty as always, but British Jews have tended to lean right, relatively, in comparison to their American version. This goes back to Cromwell times and they have far less emotional investment in tearing down jolly olde Blighty. There is no U.K. Philip Roth. Not a grand conspiracy to it, mate, just 2 different countries

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jack D, @Ben tillman

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Jack D

    He was accused of being an anti-Semitic Bolshevik, iirc.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I guess you know the answer to this question already, but the issue with Corbyn was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians, and by no means a devoted supporter of the state of Israel.

    British Jews lean strongly Conservative, except for Baron-Cohen-Borat.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Highlander
    @Jack D

    Because he supported Palestinian rights.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    He was pro-Palestinian.

    , @Abe
    @Jack D


    I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?
     
    British Jews are the canary in the time shaft. OT (though not really, as you’ll see...) Philip Roth’s authorized biographer was just MeToo’d & cancelled upon discovery of having mack’d too much on his former female students- predictable bogus charges of “rape”, seemingly true charges of “grooming” as the 20-ish chickie-poo’s he Britney Spear’d over the years were former students at the private middle school he’d taught at. YEACH!, but like “Russian collusion” not even remotely a crime and if we were to condemn every man who was ever romantically interested in a girl young enough to be his daughter or even one of his daughters’ childhood friends... WWI-era British PM H.H. Asquith was infatuated with his daughter’s friend Venetia Stanley and probably led a bayonet charge beneath her sheets. And about the same time Hollyweird gave Roman Polanski his Oscar there was an award-bait movie out called HISTORY BOYS celebrating mid-century British public school boy botherers.

    Anyway, Venetia Stanley married into the the established and respectable Anglo-Jewish Montagu family as British Jewry is about one century time-shifted over American Jewry. I distinctly remember Roth complaining about the social anti-Semitism he experienced in Britain while married to second wife/Shakespearean actress Claire Bloom, herself a product of this Anglo-Jewish milieu and very likely a participant or at least quietist when it came to some of the snubs Roth experienced. Reading reviews of the now Wintston Smith’d/effectively-samizdat’d biography in order to recover some of it, I learned that despite being born lower middle class Roth is very urbane and charming in person (irregardless of being a real-life professor of desire in his after hours- his friend the former-U Penn.[?] English Dept. Chair was procuring tasty barely legal coeds for him well into Roth’s 60’s) so it’s not like Roth is some sweaty, gauche, loud-mouthed arriviste. But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.

    Other fascinating thing I learned thanks to my recent WWI reading jag is that Roth’s whole body of work is wearily unoriginal & played-out, at least by Anglo-Jewish standards. In the 1870’s (yes, almost 100 years before PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT!) middle-class Anglo-Jewish writers were putting out novels with near identical unflattering depictions of their economically comfortable yet philistine co-ethnics- cf. Julia Frankau and her DR PHILLIPS novel, or Amy Levy and REUBEN SACHS. Also near identical cries of anguish from the writers’ communities, questions of whether they’d write the same sort of book if future-Hitler were now born, etc.

    So anyway, as a result of being 100 years future-shifted, Anglo-Jews are ultra-assimilated, ultra-bourgeois, and also stuck check-to-jowl on a small island with an order of magnitude more Muslims, another consequence of their future-shift.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Sean
    @Jack D

    Corbyn came incredibly close to winning against Theresa May, even though he was personally in favour of unilaterally abandoning Britain's. only remaining nuclear weapons (Trident subs ICBMs). His fatal error, what started the slide before the general election against May, was when he refused to denounce Putin for the Salisbury poisonings in which a English woman died.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    What he says is fundamentally true except that Jews didn't make Corbyn fade as they wished (he was actually resilient against it; maybe it would've worked twenty years ago). The guy who made Jeremy Corbyn fade is Jeremy Corbyn. Despite repeatedly defying Zionism (which in the modern UK is nothing like what we understand here) and just under half of his own party, you're still left with Corbyn himself being a less effective, practical, charismatic, witty, masculine or ambitious Bernie Sanders.

    , @Lot
    @Jack D

    Steve got a lot wrong in just 1 sentence.

    1. The anti-Corbyn campaign from UK Jews came nearly as soon as he took power in Labour, not after the 2017 election.

    2. Corbyn didn’t “nearly upset” May. Labour performed above expectations, but still horribly. The Conservatives went from 330 to 317 seats, Labour from 232 to 262, with the largest gains from SNP. May had a larger share than Cameron did in 2010.

    3. While it was heartening to see how competent and organized the Jewish campaign against Labour was, it wasn’t significant. It might have directly cost Labour 2 or 3 seats in suburban London, but the giant shift against Labour was in Scotland and white working class areas with minimal Jewish population or influence.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    'I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?'

    Corbyn didn't wuv Israel the very bestest. He suggested -- gasp -- that their human rights record might be open to criticism.

    , @Tex
    @Jack D

    Zionists have no eternal allies, only eternal interests.

  30. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    * philo semitism campaign

  31. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Starmer seems like a similar media project to Barack Obama, and definitely an over-correction to the Jemmy Corbyn Experience. He knew Andrew Sullivan at school, always a bad sign. I think even though Johnson is an obvious clown and non-patriot the below-toff-level British electorate finds him at least entertaining and realizes Labor has been completely captured by collegiate bourgeois control freaks (George Galloway broke out years back).

    Like Obama the Starmer model sees this concerted effort to butch him up, even though he’s clearly nothing more than a human-rights-lawyer weenie bring nothing except a long cursus honorum of goodwhite nonsense. The effort is not needed, anyone would seem higher-test compared to Miliband

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  32. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    Your rhetorical questions are sub-witty as always, but British Jews have tended to lean right, relatively, in comparison to their American version. This goes back to Cromwell times and they have far less emotional investment in tearing down jolly olde Blighty. There is no U.K. Philip Roth. Not a grand conspiracy to it, mate, just 2 different countries

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Anonymous

    Put otherwise, our Jews are better than your Jews.

    (I think that's probably right, too. Not sure about the "ultra-orthodox" though.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Sub-witty? I am blushing at your compliments. Sir, you flatter me. You are too kind!

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Are you saying that Cromwell wasn’t an extreme leftist, or that the Jews didn’t support him? I don’t know which of those claims would be more shocking.

  33. Ah, but is Hartleypool a Rotten Borough?

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  34. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    He was accused of being an anti-Semitic Bolshevik, iirc.

  35. So turning the nominally working class party into an “upper middle class” party causes working class voters to turn against it. Who’d thunk it?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Redneck farmer

    A mix between the LOL button and the Agree...

  36. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    I guess you know the answer to this question already, but the issue with Corbyn was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians, and by no means a devoted supporter of the state of Israel.

    British Jews lean strongly Conservative, except for Baron-Cohen-Borat.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians,

    IOW, he wants to throw Israeli Jews down the well. That's so much better.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

  37. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    Because he supported Palestinian rights.

  38. Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    The whole “coalition of the fringes” angle of minoritarianism isn’t working out as well for the Jews in Europe, because the main prospective minority is Muslims.

    But even in the US–where it has been extremely successful, both in terms of Jewish power and influence and breaking the white gentile American nation–one is left wondering how smart Jews really are? The Jews had a gold-plated situation in America:
    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
    — middle-manning on top of the richest nation on earth.
    But chose to wreck that nation and flood the joint with Mestizos, random Asians and even more blacks and a few muzzies. (A Brazillified nation unlikely to match China down the road.) The spite vs. gratitude ratio just too high for common sense.

    Not that this Jewish drift to the Conservatives in the UK is going to do actual Britons any good. What you end up with is just the same establishment minoritarianism–but without criticism of Israel and special policing of “anti-Semitism”.

    Britons had their last chance to preserve their nation with Enoch Powell, but all the propaganda–and the “future” problem, lack of experience with what was to come–doomed the effort.

    The first few lines of his famous speech outline the problem–ought to be in every civics course:

    “The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    Like the American frog the minoritarians have boiled the British frog as well.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnotherDad


    ...The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.
     
    They don't think it is evil to benefit from dispossessing future generations. They like the cheap service labor, plenty of younger workers to boss around, cushy government sinecures, higher rents and asset prices - what's not to like?

    The real issue is not a lack of statesmanship, whatever that is. The real issue is that the deal on open-borders-cheaper-labor-higher-assets was on balance beneficial for the older generations. They sold their own kids. A biological crime if there ever was one...
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
     
    Anglo-Protestants were fairly hostile to Jews until the 1940s. Germans were among the most Jew friendly people on the planet until the 1920s. Before that Polish aristocrats used to be very friendly to Jews once upon a time. Jews aren't idiots, history shows that eventually they wear out their welcome with native elites. The US strategy of just replacing the elites before that can happen makes sense.

    Replies: @fnn, @epebble, @anonymous

    , @Torn and Frayed
    @AnotherDad

    After millennia of perceived and actual abuse, Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe. For whatever reason, collectively in Israel, Jews seem to have cured themselves of the worst aspects of their collective personality disorder. It's as if having their own ethno-state has acted as a beneficent form of therapy.

    The real question concerning the destruction of America is why did the WASPs let it happen? If we stick to the psychology theme, WASPs as a group suffer from a severe case of ethno-codependence. Like when a wealthy man marries a hot young damaged narcissistic chick, she soon utterly destroys him through smear campaigns, gaslighting, word salads, and other forms of abuse. The question always is: why did he stay with her. In the US case, the WASPs were sitting on top of the most powerful and wealthy nation ever. Once Jewish power started asserting itself in clearly malevolent ways, the WASPs didn't only not try to confront them them, worse, the WASPs have and still actively do ENABLE this destructive Jewish action. In the end, unfortunately for us, the Chinese, writ large, are the only group standing who have the balls, collective spirit, and organization required to confront Jewish power.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ben tillman

    , @Morton's toes
    @AnotherDad


    In what Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson later described as an "utterly squalid" campaign,[1] Conservative party members were accused of having used the slogan "If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour".
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Griffiths

    (The slogan was on posters pasted up by Griffiths' friendlies and he denied participation.)
  39. Commentary by Neil Clark.

    Labour’s humiliating defeat signals its death, and Keir Starmer, not Jeremy Corbyn, is the man with its blood on his hands

    Just four years ago, in June 2017, Labour, under Corbyn, not only held Hartlepool, but did so with its highest share of the vote (52.5%) since 2001. But for the Corbyn-hating ‘moderates’, who funnily enough all seem to be strong supporters of the far-from-moderate Iraq War, it’s as if the 2017 general election never happened. In fact, the way that election – which Corbyn came very close to winning – has been airbrushed out of history reminds one of the late Harold Pinter’s Nobel Prize lecture in 2005, when he condemned US foreign policy crimes, before saying: “It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest.”

    The 2017 election is never referred to because it goes against the dominant narrative. Labour was supposed to have been thrashed out of sight four years ago, but to the horror of the neocon Establishment it wasn’t. In fact, under the ‘unelectable’ Corbyn, Labour achieved their biggest increase in the popular vote since 1945 (a whopping 9.6% up from 2015), and came to within a whisker of a shock victory.

    So an operation was mounted, with Trilateral Commission member Sir Keir Starmer playing a key role as Shadow Brexit Secretary to get Labour to change its policy and adopt an electorally suicidal stance of supporting a second referendum. It was electorally suicidal because 78% of Labour’s 45 target seats in England and Wales voted Leave in 2016, many of them quite strongly.

    Not only that, but there was a ratcheting up of the political weaponisation of anti-Semitism, which again was about ruining Corbyn’s chances.

    To his own – and his party’s – detriment, Corbyn didn’t fight back against the wreckers. He should have done more to resist the change in policy on Europe and should have sacked Starmer (in fact, he should never have appointed him in the first place). He should have pushed back harder, much harder, against those smearing him. With the mass membership on his side, he should have gone on the front foot against his Blairite enemies. But Corbyn did none of those things.

    Helpful guide by the BBC on Labour Anti-Semitism:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552

    Jewish people have faced prejudice and hostility for centuries. During World War II, six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis or their accomplices in what is known as the Holocaust.

    Modern-day anti-Semitism can take many forms including, but not limited to, conspiracy theories about Jewish control of the global financial system and the media, to attacks on synagogues, verbal abuse or hate speech and abusive memes on social media.

    In other words, crimethink.

    When Sir Keir Starmer was elected Labour leader in April, he made tackling anti-Semitism a top priority, promising to “tear out this poison by its roots” in his acceptance speech.

    In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

    This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had “achieved more in four days” than Mr Corbyn did “in four years”.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @El Dato

    Agree Labour because of its inability to take a coherent stance on Brexit is kaput.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @El Dato

    Guardian comment today. Blair in 2005 used a much lower percentage of the vote than Corbyn delivered (even in 2019) to open the gates to Eastern Europe and immiserate the British working class.

    Blair was the chief architect of Brexit, with Merkel in 2015 his able lieutenant.

    https://i.postimg.cc/8k3j7kyj/Corbyn.jpg

  40. Labour Party, which had held it since the constituency’s creation in the 1970s.

    How can it be a bellweather if it was in one party’s hands for 50 years? Or maybe it’s a bellweather now for the first time. Or typical MSM spin to downplay the significance of a conservative victory, lest the headline read “Conservatives Flip Seat That Was Labor Forever.”

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @EdwardM

    You are right.


    How can it be a bellweather if it was in one party’s hands for 50 years?
     
    It wasn't, it can't yet be; only if it's followed by a string o' swings can it be said to be a bellwether.

    Castle doesn't understand the word.

    , @Ed Case
    @EdwardM

    The Seat is in County Durham, it's existed since 1868, and was a Liberal Seat at most Elections until Labour first won it in 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hartlepools_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Labour then held on to it from 1945 to 1959, and from 1964 until yesterday.

  41. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    He was pro-Palestinian.

  42. The Labour party leadership cannot face the fact that it can’t play to both camps in the culture war. But what makes this so agonising is that it’s not just a matter of choosing which constituency it must now decide to represent — working class or upper middle-class — which is difficult enough. The choice is between the people who it tells itself it has been put on earth to represent — the working-class — and the belief system which defines leading Labourites’ entire political and moral personality.

    For if they choose the agenda of social conservatism that characterises the working-class, they will go against everything that those who run not just the Labour party but the entire culture — the universities, the media, the arts, the NGOs, the professions — believe define themselves as good and virtuous and progressive people. It means acknowledging that those whom they damn as“right-wing” and racist and bigoted are actually decent, grounded and admirable.

    It means admitting that everything they themselves thought they stood for as worthy and just and true is actually the opposite. It means admitting they are wrong — and for acolytes of liberal universalist ideology, which they assume to be virtue incarnate, any such admission threatens to destroy their entire political and moral identity.

    https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-real-question-labour-cant-answer-48d

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Bill B.

    It doesn't just mean admitting they're wrong, it means admitting they're bad. That they're venal, callous, lying snobs who want to restore the aristocracy as a real power, only this time with themselves as the ones on top. They're even less likely to do this than the original lot.

  43. @AnotherDad

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    The whole "coalition of the fringes" angle of minoritarianism isn't working out as well for the Jews in Europe, because the main prospective minority is Muslims.

    But even in the US--where it has been extremely successful, both in terms of Jewish power and influence and breaking the white gentile American nation--one is left wondering how smart Jews really are? The Jews had a gold-plated situation in America:
    -- Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
    -- middle-manning on top of the richest nation on earth.
    But chose to wreck that nation and flood the joint with Mestizos, random Asians and even more blacks and a few muzzies. (A Brazillified nation unlikely to match China down the road.) The spite vs. gratitude ratio just too high for common sense.


    Not that this Jewish drift to the Conservatives in the UK is going to do actual Britons any good. What you end up with is just the same establishment minoritarianism--but without criticism of Israel and special policing of "anti-Semitism".

    Britons had their last chance to preserve their nation with Enoch Powell, but all the propaganda--and the "future" problem, lack of experience with what was to come--doomed the effort.

    The first few lines of his famous speech outline the problem--ought to be in every civics course:

    "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     
    Like the American frog the minoritarians have boiled the British frog as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Peter Akuleyev, @Torn and Frayed, @Morton's toes

    …The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.

    They don’t think it is evil to benefit from dispossessing future generations. They like the cheap service labor, plenty of younger workers to boss around, cushy government sinecures, higher rents and asset prices – what’s not to like?

    The real issue is not a lack of statesmanship, whatever that is. The real issue is that the deal on open-borders-cheaper-labor-higher-assets was on balance beneficial for the older generations. They sold their own kids. A biological crime if there ever was one…

  44. @Wilkey

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites in already overcrowded England. I wonder how that’s going?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Anon, @AnotherDad, @Blinky Bill

    No, idiot, Boris wants Hong Kongers because he wants their human capital. Would you rather China have it? Also, millions of Chinese women!!! Wow, who doesn’t like that, except cucks?

    • Troll: Ben tillman
  45. @AnotherDad

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    The whole "coalition of the fringes" angle of minoritarianism isn't working out as well for the Jews in Europe, because the main prospective minority is Muslims.

    But even in the US--where it has been extremely successful, both in terms of Jewish power and influence and breaking the white gentile American nation--one is left wondering how smart Jews really are? The Jews had a gold-plated situation in America:
    -- Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
    -- middle-manning on top of the richest nation on earth.
    But chose to wreck that nation and flood the joint with Mestizos, random Asians and even more blacks and a few muzzies. (A Brazillified nation unlikely to match China down the road.) The spite vs. gratitude ratio just too high for common sense.


    Not that this Jewish drift to the Conservatives in the UK is going to do actual Britons any good. What you end up with is just the same establishment minoritarianism--but without criticism of Israel and special policing of "anti-Semitism".

    Britons had their last chance to preserve their nation with Enoch Powell, but all the propaganda--and the "future" problem, lack of experience with what was to come--doomed the effort.

    The first few lines of his famous speech outline the problem--ought to be in every civics course:

    "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     
    Like the American frog the minoritarians have boiled the British frog as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Peter Akuleyev, @Torn and Frayed, @Morton's toes

    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet

    Anglo-Protestants were fairly hostile to Jews until the 1940s. Germans were among the most Jew friendly people on the planet until the 1920s. Before that Polish aristocrats used to be very friendly to Jews once upon a time. Jews aren’t idiots, history shows that eventually they wear out their welcome with native elites. The US strategy of just replacing the elites before that can happen makes sense.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Anti-Semitic quotes by FDR of a kind that probably even David Duke wouldn't say today are easily found on the internet.

    , @epebble
    @Peter Akuleyev

    It makes sense if the replacement is friendlier than than the replaced. Where is the basis for that?

    , @anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Wasn't Harvard 25% Jewish by the 1930's?

    And aren't the current Jewish admins a the Ivy League enforcing a hard Asian quota of 15-17%?

    Seems like they're being 40% more "fairly hostile."

  46. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
     
    Anglo-Protestants were fairly hostile to Jews until the 1940s. Germans were among the most Jew friendly people on the planet until the 1920s. Before that Polish aristocrats used to be very friendly to Jews once upon a time. Jews aren't idiots, history shows that eventually they wear out their welcome with native elites. The US strategy of just replacing the elites before that can happen makes sense.

    Replies: @fnn, @epebble, @anonymous

    Anti-Semitic quotes by FDR of a kind that probably even David Duke wouldn’t say today are easily found on the internet.

  47. I don’t know too much about British politics beyond what I’ve gleaned from Yes, Minister but I wonder whether the same pressures are apparent in Britain as they are here.

    The emergent ruling class, at least in the Anglosphere, seems to have transcended traditional left-right politics but found a primary home in the former left parties of these nations. It’s an embrace of corporate power for social and political ends (which seems at odds with traditional leftism) together with an embrace of bizarre identity politics jihadism (which is the veneer it uses to feign that it is leftism) in place of advocacy for wage earners generally. There are a few constants, however:

    1) The intergenerational core national population and its culture is moribund and obsolete;

    2) The natural social, economic, and political concerns of the core national population are beyond the acceptable scope of political debate and – quite frankly – both xenophobic and racist;

    3) The nation itself is in dire peril if it is not quickly remade via migration, and, simultaneously, the nation has always welcomed migrants which makes it uniquely American/British/Irish (never mind that the proposition is that each nation is unique in precisely the same way and for the same reasons);

    4) Discipline is enforced by disproportionate social (and sometimes legal) sanction for dissent from any of the above.

    I suppose if a political party both abandons its core organizational principle (advocacy for labor/wage earners) while embracing a culture inimical to the interests of its former core constituency (ordinary Britons), it’s bound to shed some of its traditional sources of support among the public. If only the Tories are (meekly, ineffectively) standing for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, you can see how they’d gain traction with ordinary Britons who (perhaps embarrassingly) like being British in some traditional sense.

    The Markle affair seems to be a bellwether for this division in British society – on the one hand, cultural insurgents using race as a weapon in an attack on a quintessential representation of old Britain, and the reaction of ordinary non-woke Britons to this assault.

    • Replies: @Ghastly Oik
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    If only the Tories are (meekly, ineffectively) standing for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, you can see how they’d gain traction with ordinary Britons who (perhaps embarrassingly) like being British in some traditional sense.
     
    Nah

    If the Tories stand for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, I must have missed it.

    The Tories, with one or two exceptions, are corrupt, mildly woke Extinction Rebellion in suits. Labour, are very woke Extinction Rebellion in suits who love lock-downs and think the British public haven't been locked-down enough.

    In my view, as a working class Engishman, voting Tory to poke the woke (in truth, the wokeist) in the eye is a reasonable reason to vote Tory.

    But in truth, as I believe the Russians say,both are worst.
  48. @AnotherDad

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    The whole "coalition of the fringes" angle of minoritarianism isn't working out as well for the Jews in Europe, because the main prospective minority is Muslims.

    But even in the US--where it has been extremely successful, both in terms of Jewish power and influence and breaking the white gentile American nation--one is left wondering how smart Jews really are? The Jews had a gold-plated situation in America:
    -- Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
    -- middle-manning on top of the richest nation on earth.
    But chose to wreck that nation and flood the joint with Mestizos, random Asians and even more blacks and a few muzzies. (A Brazillified nation unlikely to match China down the road.) The spite vs. gratitude ratio just too high for common sense.


    Not that this Jewish drift to the Conservatives in the UK is going to do actual Britons any good. What you end up with is just the same establishment minoritarianism--but without criticism of Israel and special policing of "anti-Semitism".

    Britons had their last chance to preserve their nation with Enoch Powell, but all the propaganda--and the "future" problem, lack of experience with what was to come--doomed the effort.

    The first few lines of his famous speech outline the problem--ought to be in every civics course:

    "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     
    Like the American frog the minoritarians have boiled the British frog as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Peter Akuleyev, @Torn and Frayed, @Morton's toes

    After millennia of perceived and actual abuse, Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe. For whatever reason, collectively in Israel, Jews seem to have cured themselves of the worst aspects of their collective personality disorder. It’s as if having their own ethno-state has acted as a beneficent form of therapy.

    The real question concerning the destruction of America is why did the WASPs let it happen? If we stick to the psychology theme, WASPs as a group suffer from a severe case of ethno-codependence. Like when a wealthy man marries a hot young damaged narcissistic chick, she soon utterly destroys him through smear campaigns, gaslighting, word salads, and other forms of abuse. The question always is: why did he stay with her. In the US case, the WASPs were sitting on top of the most powerful and wealthy nation ever. Once Jewish power started asserting itself in clearly malevolent ways, the WASPs didn’t only not try to confront them them, worse, the WASPs have and still actively do ENABLE this destructive Jewish action. In the end, unfortunately for us, the Chinese, writ large, are the only group standing who have the balls, collective spirit, and organization required to confront Jewish power.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Torn and Frayed

    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.

    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @Ben tillman
    @Torn and Frayed

    The short answer is that the Jews manipulated the WASPs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  49. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    I guess you know the answer to this question already, but the issue with Corbyn was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians, and by no means a devoted supporter of the state of Israel.

    British Jews lean strongly Conservative, except for Baron-Cohen-Borat.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians,

    IOW, he wants to throw Israeli Jews down the well. That’s so much better.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Art Deco

    Corbyn, like the sixties grammar school boy that he is, thought that his anti-imperialism and anticolonialism applied to all countries, not realising that Israel is the exception that proves the rule.

    As the leftist chant (sort of) goes


    No Borders!*

    No Nations!*

    Stop The Deportations!*

    (* except in Israel)
     
    https://www.no-gods-no-masters.com/img/tshirt-no-borders-no-nations-stop-deportations-D01004136374P0210.jpg

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @anon
    @Art Deco

    If you didn't want to get thrown down the well, you shouldn't have poisoned it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  50. Checking Wikipedia: turnout’s down about 15% from the general election. I don’t know how much of that is because it’s a by-election. Tories gained about half as many votes as Labour lost, and an independent candidate got nearly 10%, so all-in-all this looks more like a “plague on both their houses” result than a ringing endorsement of the Tories per se.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Turnout at Byelections is usually lower than at the preceding General Election.
    It's rare for the Party in Government to win a Seat off the Opposition at a By Election, let alone one that's been held since 1964.
    Only happened 18 times since 1912, in a Parliament of 650.

    Incumbent Government gains seats
    These records show the rare occasions when the Government won a seat they had not won at the previous General election.

    Party By-election Losing party
    Conservative 2021 Hartlepool by-election Labour
    2017 Copeland by-election
    1982 Mitcham and Morden by-election
    1961 Bristol South-East by-election1
    1960 Brighouse and Spenborough by-election
    1953 Sunderland South by-election
    1926 Combined English Universities by-election Liberal
    1923 Berwick-upon-Tweed by-election3 National Liberal
    1922 Hackney South by-election Independent
    1921 Woolwich East by-election Labour
    1920 Stockport by-election2 Coalition Labour
    Laboura 1929 Liverpool Scotland by-election4 Irish Nationalist
    1929 Preston by-election5 Liberal
    1924 Liverpool West Toxteth by-election Conservative
    Liberal 1913 Chesterfield by-election Labour
    1913 Londonderry City by-election Irish Unionist
    1912 Hanley by-election Labour
    1912 Hackney South by-election Independent

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    , @Ed Case
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    There have been 504 House of Commons Byelections since 1945:
    file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/SN02383.pdf

    Replies: @vhrm

  51. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    The biggest takeaway from this Hartlepool by-election is that the UK will *never but never* rejoin the EU.
    For any politician to advocate such a position is to incur instant political death. Therefore it will *never* happen. Even the dumbest-bastard Economist worshipping politician puts the very real prospect of political death hanging above their head in front of crass policy – the analogy with the instinct to preserve physical life at all cost is exact.

  52. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians,

    IOW, he wants to throw Israeli Jews down the well. That's so much better.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    Corbyn, like the sixties grammar school boy that he is, thought that his anti-imperialism and anticolonialism applied to all countries, not realising that Israel is the exception that proves the rule.

    As the leftist chant (sort of) goes

    No Borders!*

    No Nations!*

    Stop The Deportations!*

    (* except in Israel)

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @YetAnotherAnon

    thought that his anti-imperialism and anticolonialism applied to all countries, not realising that Israel is the exception that proves the rule.

    Corbyn was born in 1949. Since he's been of an age to hold a job, the only dependencies in the world have been islands and coastal settlements, only two of which (Puerto Rico and Hong Kong) had populations over 1 million. The closest thing to an empire has been Soviet Russia, about which red haze types like Corbyn could hardly pretend to care.

    As for the Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza, they've rejected or sabotaged five separate opportunities to improve their situation. Corbyn could easily tell their syndicate bosses and blowhards to cut a deal or get lost. He doesn't do that because he's on board with their actual program, which is to increase the production of dead Jews.

  53. @AnotherDad

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    The whole "coalition of the fringes" angle of minoritarianism isn't working out as well for the Jews in Europe, because the main prospective minority is Muslims.

    But even in the US--where it has been extremely successful, both in terms of Jewish power and influence and breaking the white gentile American nation--one is left wondering how smart Jews really are? The Jews had a gold-plated situation in America:
    -- Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
    -- middle-manning on top of the richest nation on earth.
    But chose to wreck that nation and flood the joint with Mestizos, random Asians and even more blacks and a few muzzies. (A Brazillified nation unlikely to match China down the road.) The spite vs. gratitude ratio just too high for common sense.


    Not that this Jewish drift to the Conservatives in the UK is going to do actual Britons any good. What you end up with is just the same establishment minoritarianism--but without criticism of Israel and special policing of "anti-Semitism".

    Britons had their last chance to preserve their nation with Enoch Powell, but all the propaganda--and the "future" problem, lack of experience with what was to come--doomed the effort.

    The first few lines of his famous speech outline the problem--ought to be in every civics course:

    "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     
    Like the American frog the minoritarians have boiled the British frog as well.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Peter Akuleyev, @Torn and Frayed, @Morton's toes

    In what Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson later described as an “utterly squalid” campaign,[1] Conservative party members were accused of having used the slogan “If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Griffiths

    (The slogan was on posters pasted up by Griffiths’ friendlies and he denied participation.)

  54. Abe says:
    @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    British Jews are the canary in the time shaft. OT (though not really, as you’ll see…) Philip Roth’s authorized biographer was just MeToo’d & cancelled upon discovery of having mack’d too much on his former female students- predictable bogus charges of “rape”, seemingly true charges of “grooming” as the 20-ish chickie-poo’s he Britney Spear’d over the years were former students at the private middle school he’d taught at. YEACH!, but like “Russian collusion” not even remotely a crime and if we were to condemn every man who was ever romantically interested in a girl young enough to be his daughter or even one of his daughters’ childhood friends… WWI-era British PM H.H. Asquith was infatuated with his daughter’s friend Venetia Stanley and probably led a bayonet charge beneath her sheets. And about the same time Hollyweird gave Roman Polanski his Oscar there was an award-bait movie out called HISTORY BOYS celebrating mid-century British public school boy botherers.

    Anyway, Venetia Stanley married into the the established and respectable Anglo-Jewish Montagu family as British Jewry is about one century time-shifted over American Jewry. I distinctly remember Roth complaining about the social anti-Semitism he experienced in Britain while married to second wife/Shakespearean actress Claire Bloom, herself a product of this Anglo-Jewish milieu and very likely a participant or at least quietist when it came to some of the snubs Roth experienced. Reading reviews of the now Wintston Smith’d/effectively-samizdat’d biography in order to recover some of it, I learned that despite being born lower middle class Roth is very urbane and charming in person (irregardless of being a real-life professor of desire in his after hours- his friend the former-U Penn.[?] English Dept. Chair was procuring tasty barely legal coeds for him well into Roth’s 60’s) so it’s not like Roth is some sweaty, gauche, loud-mouthed arriviste. But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.

    Other fascinating thing I learned thanks to my recent WWI reading jag is that Roth’s whole body of work is wearily unoriginal & played-out, at least by Anglo-Jewish standards. In the 1870’s (yes, almost 100 years before PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT!) middle-class Anglo-Jewish writers were putting out novels with near identical unflattering depictions of their economically comfortable yet philistine co-ethnics- cf. Julia Frankau and her DR PHILLIPS novel, or Amy Levy and REUBEN SACHS. Also near identical cries of anguish from the writers’ communities, questions of whether they’d write the same sort of book if future-Hitler were now born, etc.

    So anyway, as a result of being 100 years future-shifted, Anglo-Jews are ultra-assimilated, ultra-bourgeois, and also stuck check-to-jowl on a small island with an order of magnitude more Muslims, another consequence of their future-shift.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Abe


    But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.
     
    That's right. I've known some of these Anglo-Jews pretty well (various Hambros, Horatia Lawson the daughter of ex-Chancellor Nigel Lawson and tragically less physically attractive sister of Nigella, et al.), and it's a whole 'nother thing than what one generally encounters among the Jews of for example New York City.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Abe


    (irregardless of...)
     
    Irregardless isn't a word, but it would make one hell of a band name.

    '"The Irregardless Die for Danzig!", available in record shops now!'
  55. @Wilkey

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites in already overcrowded England. I wonder how that’s going?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Anon, @AnotherDad, @Blinky Bill

    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Agree.

    There will be economically struggling regions as economies change. But in a one-peopleish nation people can migrate and
    a) get the new jobs
    and
    b) still … be in their nation.

    This immigration insanity … is a cancer. It’s appalling that in the West you can hardly find a leader interested in running their nation for the benefit of the people of the nation.

    • Agree: Old Prude, Lurker
  56. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    Corbyn came incredibly close to winning against Theresa May, even though he was personally in favour of unilaterally abandoning Britain’s. only remaining nuclear weapons (Trident subs ICBMs). His fatal error, what started the slide before the general election against May, was when he refused to denounce Putin for the Salisbury poisonings in which a English woman died.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Sean

    FYI, Peter Hitchens has oftentimes pointed out the ridiculousness of Britain's Trident subs ICBMs.

    Replies: @Sean

  57. It’s always the same story: The GOPs (Tories) stand for nothing, except not-DEM (Labour).

    [MORE]

    I followed British politics during the year leading up to the formal (non-) BREXIT. Naturally, the Tories, big supporters of public education, put on a very pathetic performance.

    The dreadful, “balanced” (big government), mandatory fee (i.e. tax supported) BBC tried non-stop to portray Brexit as the end of the world. GuidoFawkes was a good comment site.

    Corbyn was an unabashed leftist. His anti-Israel comments antagonized Jews (traditionally Labourites), but really endeared him to Arab immigrants (and the aristocrats).

    That clown Farage was fun to watch.

  58. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
     
    Anglo-Protestants were fairly hostile to Jews until the 1940s. Germans were among the most Jew friendly people on the planet until the 1920s. Before that Polish aristocrats used to be very friendly to Jews once upon a time. Jews aren't idiots, history shows that eventually they wear out their welcome with native elites. The US strategy of just replacing the elites before that can happen makes sense.

    Replies: @fnn, @epebble, @anonymous

    It makes sense if the replacement is friendlier than than the replaced. Where is the basis for that?

    • Agree: Dissident
  59. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    What he says is fundamentally true except that Jews didn’t make Corbyn fade as they wished (he was actually resilient against it; maybe it would’ve worked twenty years ago). The guy who made Jeremy Corbyn fade is Jeremy Corbyn. Despite repeatedly defying Zionism (which in the modern UK is nothing like what we understand here) and just under half of his own party, you’re still left with Corbyn himself being a less effective, practical, charismatic, witty, masculine or ambitious Bernie Sanders.

  60. Labour has proven much less successful than our own Dems at holding together a coalition of the fringes while losing the old working class base, because the demographic and electoral math is fundamentally different. The racial minority vote isn’t big enough in the UK (still a 90% white country, more or less) and the Celtic fringe elects too many nationalist MPs. For now the party will continue to be dominated by left-liberal English urbanites with Americanized politics, and they despise the relative centrist turn taken by Starmer.

    • Agree: Sam Malone
  61. Mrs. Thatcher is regularly shown personally frying up some kedgeree in her small kitchen

    It is funny that the porridge of 19th Century working class Indians lives in British Prime Minister’s kitchen. Globalization, Ancien Style.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedgeree

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @epebble

    A fine breakfast dish, kedgeree, if you don't feel like a kipper or bacon & eggs. I amn't fond of devilled kidneys, mind, traditional or not.

    Replies: @JMcG

  62. Abe says:

    Bibi didn’t seem to benefit too much politically from Israel leading the world in vaccinations.

    Haven’t I beaten this to death already? Didn’t Bib effectively lose an election a couple years ago to that guy who looked like the handsome-tough step-brother of the TRIVAGO spokedude, assuming TRIVAGO spokesdude had a handsome-tough Israeli general in the family? And yet he rules. Hasn’t Bibi been under investigation/indictment for corruption for about 10 years now? And yet not only has the process not advanced an inch, it actually sometimes regresses to an earlier legal stage at random.

    Face it, Bibi does not suffer the same quantum entanglements as the rest of us. He is in-power/out-of-power/shamefully booted-out-of-office/returned in a landslide/serving 5 years/exonerated/receiving the Nobel Peace Prize/lectured-by-Obama-on-not-being-a-black-child-of-a-single-mother all-at-once and never.

    He is right now convincing the Carthaginian Senate not to sink any more costs into that bumbler Hannibal. He is also signing the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, giving the Gettysburg Address, and plucking Alsace-Lorraine from France despite personal misgivings. He is Elric, Gladstone, Clemenceau, Huey Long, and Governor Star-Lord Caitlyn Jenner. Bibi is- THE ETERNAL CANDIDATE!

  63. Tory electoral successes of the 21st century compare interestingly to US politics:

    First, they are replicating what happened 20+ years ago with the shift of wealthy metro districts, including white majority districts, to Democrats and non-metro white-majority areas to Republicans despite historical affinities to Democrats.

    Second, they demonstrate some of what American politics could be like with a standard deviation’s less fifth column domination of the media and subversion/pacification of the c-suite.

  64. @Wilkey

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    The sad fact is that none of the parties care about this “economically struggling coastal town,” and it will be as bad off after another five years of the Tories as it would be after five years of Labour.

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites in already overcrowded England. I wonder how that’s going?

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Anon, @AnotherDad, @Blinky Bill

    Boris’s most recent major policy is a plan to import millions of Chinamen from Hong Kong into Britain and give them immediate citizenship, in order to more quickly secure minority status for whites

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  65. Whiskey says: • Website

    Very likely, the future of most Britons is … slavery. The most economic productive gains are from forced labor at the lowest cost possible of the highest IQ.

    Black slavery was only profitable when there were no other mechanized methods of harvesting sugar cane, tobacco, and cotton, all previously labor intensive crops that during the latter half of the 19th Century were mechanized, first with steam powered tractors, and then by the early 20th Century by internal combustion engines.

    The new rulers of France, Britain, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Scandinavia, etc. are in no mood to actually work. That will befall the former inhabitants, now some sort of slaves. That is their destiny. France is likely to go first, with a Muslim coup establishing an Islamic State and enslaving the French. Who being French will naturally surrender.

    Multiculturalism does not work. Never has, never will. One group must dominate and generally enslave the other. There is no other possible outcome for human beings. Humans are not built for get-along.

    All those Chinese from Hong Kong? Just more high IQ slaves for the Muslim masters of Britain.

    • Troll: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Whiskey

    Yet another delusional, morose, fantastical comment from our resident retard, "Whiskey". It is puzzling what could have made him the wreck he/she is today.


    I would enjoy laughing and pointing at him when the opposite of everything he believes comes true, but I doubt he/she will even live long enough see it.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @rebel yell

  66. Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town

    Hartlepool is/was the home of Andy Capp

    • Thanks: Daniel H
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @William Badwhite

    Wooo God I haven't heard of that particular British stereotype for ages. Thanks, man!

    It's a southern & married version of begbie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZyNLZZjMs

    Being white, one can deal in stereotypes etc.

    , @Anonymous
    @William Badwhite

    He was a serial wife beater.
    Surely, by now he has been 'damned and eradicated' in the Roman way.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @William Badwhite

    They have censored him! Andy Capp always, always, had a fag* hanging from his lower lip.

    Given that his creator, Reg Smythe, died of lung cancer in 1998 it was a canny move by the successor cartoonists to de-fag him. But this is how he should always be depicted.

    https://i1.wp.com/downthetubes.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/img_0096.jpg


    * British style, not US style

  67. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    Steve got a lot wrong in just 1 sentence.

    1. The anti-Corbyn campaign from UK Jews came nearly as soon as he took power in Labour, not after the 2017 election.

    2. Corbyn didn’t “nearly upset” May. Labour performed above expectations, but still horribly. The Conservatives went from 330 to 317 seats, Labour from 232 to 262, with the largest gains from SNP. May had a larger share than Cameron did in 2010.

    3. While it was heartening to see how competent and organized the Jewish campaign against Labour was, it wasn’t significant. It might have directly cost Labour 2 or 3 seats in suburban London, but the giant shift against Labour was in Scotland and white working class areas with minimal Jewish population or influence.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Lot

    I think I was in England at that time, and I watched the BBC to kill hotel room time

    The BBC is more brainwashy than the US media.

    It was bad, worse than anything I could have imagined.

  68. @William Badwhite

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    Hartlepool is/was the home of Andy Capp

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article24034527.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_AndyCappMAY06.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon

    Wooo God I haven’t heard of that particular British stereotype for ages. Thanks, man!

    It’s a southern & married version of begbie

    Being white, one can deal in stereotypes etc.

    • Thanks: Alden
  69. The NYT, always hedging with doubt when it comes to conservatives:

    the new Conservative victory suggests that Mr. Johnson remains popular in areas — like Hartlepool — that voted for Brexit in a 2016 referendum.

    Suggests? Don’t the facts speak for themselves??

  70. Just to the north of me is the former British colony of Canada. They have regular elections and some how manage to keep justin trudeau in power in spite of the fact that the largest province, Ontario, is again under lockdown.Lockdown as in no golf, no beach, no tennis, and grocery shopping only. The border to the States, their only border, is closed. The loonie is depressed in value. Only 2.4% off all Canadians have both their shots and Canada still does not have the capability to produce the vaccine. biden, first day in the Oval office, cancels the Keystone Pipieline, goodbye 1000s of union jobs and Michigan’s Gov. whitmer is closing Pipeline #5, the source of all jet fuel to Toronto. Our relection was EF-up big time but I still don’t understand the how English style election makes sense. Oh, and since Covid the Canadian Ballet is shuttered so husbands are paying their wives for a lap dance. Stay safe.

  71. ‘…Keir Starmer, Labour’s leader…’

    Labour began to lose its traditional, white, working class, constituency long ago.

    But it still held many of them — if only by default. They weren’t about to vote Conservative. And it still had all the ‘Progressives’ and their minority pets.

    But then the Jews came along and finished the job. They subverted Labour alright — but largely stripped it of all reason for being in the process. Who — exactly — is left in Britain who would want to vote for Labour?

  72. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    ‘I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?’

    Corbyn didn’t wuv Israel the very bestest. He suggested — gasp — that their human rights record might be open to criticism.

  73. The Labour party is fragmented along the double axes of Brexit vs Remain, and Woke vs Unwoke.

    A lot of lifelong Labour voters have switched to Tory over both issues. The Lib-Dem vote has collapsed and it’s erstwhile leader now works for Facebook.

    Clearly the Lib-Dem vote has not moved to Labour.

    Keir Starmer is no charmer, those not have the flair of Blair, lacks personal televisual charisma, and does not seem to have succeeded in producing any simple “four legs good, two legs bad” slogans for the sheep.

    In addition to that, Labor has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.

    If Keir Starmer was a bit more like Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, perhaps he could revive his party. Maybe he could appear in a kilt with no underwear on a windy day and get the voters’ attention.

    Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable, whereas Starmer, as a lawyer, comes over as legalistic and dry.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Jonathan Mason

    Boris: "jabs and jobs".

    Starmer: "blah, blah, blah".

    , @Lurker
    @Jonathan Mason


    In addition to that, Labour has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.
     
    Scotland as a Labour stronghold is actually a relatively recent phenomenon*. Scotland was actually a Tory stronghold within living memory. In the 1950s the Conservatives could still win over 50% of Scottish votes, not just seats but the actual popular votes. Scottish Tory decline began from there, its really only in the 1970s that we see Labour becoming dominant in Scotland. By the 1990s the SNP were becoming important. It's actually Wales that's rock-solid Labour whereas Scotland was only that temporarily.

    * Apparently, in the 19th century, with the move away from wood to iron/steel ships, English shipbuilders hit upon the Clyde as a good location to relocate their operations to because Scottish workers were seen as more conservative than troublesome, radical English workers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable"

    Boris at Christmas time, announcing a 3-day suspension of some parts of lockdown to enable family visits:

    "'Tis the season to be jolly ... careful!"


    My wife, no Tory, was watching the news and burst out laughing.

    Only a week or two back the Guardian and BBC were salivating over reports that he had said "Let the bodies pile high, rather than more lockdowns", which sounds just the sort of thing he would say.

    Steve should take note of this:

    https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/


    Boris had the look of a man who had been dragged out of a well by his ankles. His blond hair seemed to spring vertically from his head as he embarked on some opening remarks, where the occasional word, not always the obvious one, was shouted at double-volume.

    “ ― errrrr, Welcome to THE International. Errrrr ― ”

    The catastrophe had happened. He did not know, could not remember, what event he was at. This is one of the biggest fears any speaker has, forgetting where they are.

    Johnson then did a crazy thing. To find out where he was, he very obviously turned around and looked at the large logo projected at the back of the stage.

    “ ― to the International SECURITISATION Awards! YES!” he cried triumphantly, and to my amazement it brought the house down. There was a huge cheer. Everyone realised this was not going to be a normal speech. The chaos had descended on us, we were in it, and we were going to enjoy it.

    “SHEEP,” he began. He started a story about his uncle’s farm and how OUTRAGEOUS it was that they couldn’t bury animals that had JUST died, as they used to do back in the sixties, seventies and eighties. No, he said, EU regulations meant an abattoir had to be involved. “One died today. A SHEEP. And my uncle had to RING a fellow at an abattoir fifty MILES away. His name was Mick ― no, it was Jim ― no, sorry, MARGARET, that was it, MARGARET … ”

    People were now, not just roaring with laughter, but listening. He continued.

    “Which is why my political hero is the Mayor from JAWS.”

    Laughter.

    “Yes. Because he KEPT THE BEACHES OPEN.”

    More guffawing around me. He spoke as if every sentence had only just occurred to him, and each new thought came as a surprise.

    “Yes, he REPUDIATED, he FORESWORE and he ABROGATED all these silly regulations on health and safety and declared that the people should SWIM! SWIM!”

    More uproar.

    “Now, I accept,” he went on in an uncertain tone, “that as a result some small children were eaten by a shark. But how much more pleasure did the MAJORITY get from those beaches as a result of the boldness of the Mayor in Jaws?”

    Brilliant. The whole room is hooting and cheering. It no longer matters that Boris has no script, no plan, no idea of what event he is attending, and that he seems to be taking the whole thing off the top of his head.

    I realise that I am in the presence of genius.

     

    The punchline is that he then sees Boris at another awards ceremony, where he again arrives unprepared, then delivers almost exactly the same speech, complete with letting the audience know that he's got no idea where he is.
  74. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Art Deco

    Corbyn, like the sixties grammar school boy that he is, thought that his anti-imperialism and anticolonialism applied to all countries, not realising that Israel is the exception that proves the rule.

    As the leftist chant (sort of) goes


    No Borders!*

    No Nations!*

    Stop The Deportations!*

    (* except in Israel)
     
    https://www.no-gods-no-masters.com/img/tshirt-no-borders-no-nations-stop-deportations-D01004136374P0210.jpg

    Replies: @Art Deco

    thought that his anti-imperialism and anticolonialism applied to all countries, not realising that Israel is the exception that proves the rule.

    Corbyn was born in 1949. Since he’s been of an age to hold a job, the only dependencies in the world have been islands and coastal settlements, only two of which (Puerto Rico and Hong Kong) had populations over 1 million. The closest thing to an empire has been Soviet Russia, about which red haze types like Corbyn could hardly pretend to care.

    As for the Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza, they’ve rejected or sabotaged five separate opportunities to improve their situation. Corbyn could easily tell their syndicate bosses and blowhards to cut a deal or get lost. He doesn’t do that because he’s on board with their actual program, which is to increase the production of dead Jews.

    • Disagree: Lurker
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  75. @EdwardM

    Labour Party, which had held it since the constituency’s creation in the 1970s.
     
    How can it be a bellweather if it was in one party's hands for 50 years? Or maybe it's a bellweather now for the first time. Or typical MSM spin to downplay the significance of a conservative victory, lest the headline read "Conservatives Flip Seat That Was Labor Forever."

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ed Case

    You are right.

    How can it be a bellweather if it was in one party’s hands for 50 years?

    It wasn’t, it can’t yet be; only if it’s followed by a string o’ swings can it be said to be a bellwether.

    Castle doesn’t understand the word.

    • Agree: photondancer
  76. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, the Blair/Brown ‘New Labour’ party which misruled the UK from 1997 to 2010 was The Economist magazine at prayer – it was dumb enough to actually implement all the positions advocated by that worthless sheaf of ass-wipe, from massive uncontrolled immigration downwards.
    So, basically, ‘New Labour’ was a neo con neo liberal, economically Thatcherite party – with a few bits of fluff tacked on to the harder edges.

    The working class British electorate eventually woke up and realised that they were cynically being used as vote fodder by people who hated them.
    Firstly, the Scots – formerly hard core Labourites – deserted Labour for the SNP when a viable left party came along to vote for.
    After that, working class English, angered beyond belief by massive Labour immigration, first took their cue from Nigel Farage, and then, tentatively, went over to the Conservatives after Boris upheld the pledge to exit the EU.

    Moral:
    The Economist *always* fucks over politicians dumb enough to take it seriously.

    • Agree: Lurker
  77. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    Hartlepool is/was the home of Andy Capp

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article24034527.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_AndyCappMAY06.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon

    He was a serial wife beater.
    Surely, by now he has been ‘damned and eradicated’ in the Roman way.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    As I remember, she was very sturdy and strong because of her cleaner job. And always got the better of him.

  78. @Whiskey
    Very likely, the future of most Britons is ... slavery. The most economic productive gains are from forced labor at the lowest cost possible of the highest IQ.

    Black slavery was only profitable when there were no other mechanized methods of harvesting sugar cane, tobacco, and cotton, all previously labor intensive crops that during the latter half of the 19th Century were mechanized, first with steam powered tractors, and then by the early 20th Century by internal combustion engines.

    The new rulers of France, Britain, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Scandinavia, etc. are in no mood to actually work. That will befall the former inhabitants, now some sort of slaves. That is their destiny. France is likely to go first, with a Muslim coup establishing an Islamic State and enslaving the French. Who being French will naturally surrender.

    Multiculturalism does not work. Never has, never will. One group must dominate and generally enslave the other. There is no other possible outcome for human beings. Humans are not built for get-along.

    All those Chinese from Hong Kong? Just more high IQ slaves for the Muslim masters of Britain.

    Replies: @Anon

    Yet another delusional, morose, fantastical comment from our resident retard, “Whiskey”. It is puzzling what could have made him the wreck he/she is today.

    I would enjoy laughing and pointing at him when the opposite of everything he believes comes true, but I doubt he/she will even live long enough see it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    >this guy is so wrong
    >should I post links, explanations, counterexamples, or images demonstrating his wrongness?
    >no, I'll call him a retard instead.
    you are the reason your internet sucks

    , @rebel yell
    @Anon

    Whiskey's usual thesis is that white women are the most Woke people on earth and harbor the most hatred toward white men. If you keep up with the various graphs of political views posted on Audacious Epigone's blog you will see that Whiskey is correct on this point. Educated white women are reliably the group that is most full of malice toward white men. Toxic femininity is real.

    Replies: @Anon

  79. @EdwardM

    Labour Party, which had held it since the constituency’s creation in the 1970s.
     
    How can it be a bellweather if it was in one party's hands for 50 years? Or maybe it's a bellweather now for the first time. Or typical MSM spin to downplay the significance of a conservative victory, lest the headline read "Conservatives Flip Seat That Was Labor Forever."

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ed Case

    The Seat is in County Durham, it’s existed since 1868, and was a Liberal Seat at most Elections until Labour first won it in 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hartlepools_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Labour then held on to it from 1945 to 1959, and from 1964 until yesterday.

  80. Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption.

    I do not know if there is any public information about whether he is circumcised or not.

    He is actually a very intelligent, decent, and capable man, but maybe a bit lacking in political street smarts compared to his nemesis Johnson.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    'Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption...'

    You could even say he's a good gentile. Is he performing satisfactorily?

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    >some of my best friends
    You know who else had a Jewish wife and son? HP Lovecraft.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Wielgus
    @Jonathan Mason

    His facial expression reminds me of a deer caught in headlights.
    During recent campaigning he was forced to leave a pub by a proprietor incensed about lockdowns, which Starmer supports.
    As Director of Public Prosecutions he quashed attempts to bring police to trial for killing a Brazilian they had mistaken for a terrorist, and also quashed attempts to investigate Jimmy Savile. Starmer is an establishment shill. I have my doubts about "decent".

    , @dfordoom
    @Jonathan Mason


    though Starmer himself is vegetarian
     
    I didn't think it was possible for me to despise him more than I already did but you've managed to increase my loathing for him.
  81. Altai says:

    OT:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December. I had assumed JJ Abrams would direct but apparently we will be spared since it would be to quote Warner sources ‘tone deaf’ for the director to not also be black. Given that Coates was chosen to write this, I have to assume that Superman being black won’t be treated as incidental.

    Bets on now. Will it be set before or during the civil rights period? Will the Kents be black? Will Superman land in the deep south rather than Kansas? Will Lex Luthor be bald because he’s a skinhead? Will Superman get in trouble with the cops? I have to assume there will be a moment where some white police shoot at Superman only for him to shrug off their bullets.

    But don’t worry stock holders, there is still more commercially nonviable work being done!

    Diversity and representation remain key drivers of the DC universe moving forward. Warners is developing a Latino Blue Beetle movie with Angel Manuel Soto attached to direct, and HBO Max is casting for a gay Green Lantern character for an upcoming series. And The CW’s Arrowverse is about to get its second Black female superhero series with Ava DuVernay’s Naomi (Batwoman also features a Black lead, Javicia Leslie) just as Black Lightning is about to wrap its final season.

    And in a similar vein to Steve’ complaints about drives for more black applicants at Ivy Leagues always leaving them competing over the same small numbers of people, we now have this with black directors.

    In a fitting twist, the director search is pitting DC against none other than Marvel. As Warners looks to fill its Superman vacancy, Marvel is on the hunt for a Blade helmer and is combing through the same list. But the question will come down to what kind of filmmaker Bad Robot and Warners want: an up-and-comer who can be backed by Abrams, who knows his way around tentpoles and franchises? Or an established filmmaker like a Barry Jenkins or a Ryan Coogler?

    The former list can include Creed II’s Steven Caple Jr., J.D. Dillard, Regina King — who got raves for her drama One Night in Miami — and Shaka King, who is popular at Warners thanks to best picture Oscar nominee Judas and the Black Messiah. Some potential directors have met with both studios for both films, even as one agent said the process was “phenomenally early.” Meanwhile, Coogler may be a nonstarter for either assignment given that he will be occupied with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, which releases July 8, 2022.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Altai

    'OT:

    'https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    'Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December... '


    The 'White Supremacists' will need to take the names of any non-blacks attending. Obviously, they'll have to undergo denazification the morning after.

    , @ChrisZ
    @Altai

    Good questions, Altai. Here are some others:

    Will Lois Lane be white?

    Will Superman’s biological parents be Jo’-Diggety-El and Laraquetia?

    Will the race of Krypton be black? (Two schools of thought occur to me: Krypton will be a fantasy paradise where black inhabitants speak like upper class Brits; alternatively Krypton will be a white supremacy that destroys its own world, as the oppressed black scientist rescues his own son.)

    Will Perry White still spell his name with a capital W?

    Will the Fortress of Solitude be relocated from the arctic to a more equatorial latitude?

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Altai

    Altai, Coates' superman will fly in and position himself between coates' son and a nasty White lady who had the temerity to move the boy out of her way. The premise of everything coates writes is based on perceived slights and micro aggressions by Whites.

  82. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    Checking Wikipedia: turnout's down about 15% from the general election. I don't know how much of that is because it's a by-election. Tories gained about half as many votes as Labour lost, and an independent candidate got nearly 10%, so all-in-all this looks more like a "plague on both their houses" result than a ringing endorsement of the Tories per se.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Ed Case

    Turnout at Byelections is usually lower than at the preceding General Election.
    It’s rare for the Party in Government to win a Seat off the Opposition at a By Election, let alone one that’s been held since 1964.
    Only happened 18 times since 1912, in a Parliament of 650.

    [MORE]

    Incumbent Government gains seats
    These records show the rare occasions when the Government won a seat they had not won at the previous General election.

    Party By-election Losing party
    Conservative 2021 Hartlepool by-election Labour
    2017 Copeland by-election
    1982 Mitcham and Morden by-election
    1961 Bristol South-East by-election1
    1960 Brighouse and Spenborough by-election
    1953 Sunderland South by-election
    1926 Combined English Universities by-election Liberal
    1923 Berwick-upon-Tweed by-election3 National Liberal
    1922 Hackney South by-election Independent
    1921 Woolwich East by-election Labour
    1920 Stockport by-election2 Coalition Labour
    Laboura 1929 Liverpool Scotland by-election4 Irish Nationalist
    1929 Preston by-election5 Liberal
    1924 Liverpool West Toxteth by-election Conservative
    Liberal 1913 Chesterfield by-election Labour
    1913 Londonderry City by-election Irish Unionist
    1912 Hanley by-election Labour
    1912 Hackney South by-election Independent

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Ed Case


    It’s rare for the Party in Government to win a Seat off the Opposition at a By Election...
     
    It used to be a lot less uncommon, but it's only happened six times in the previous century.
  83. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    ‘…Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it’s just as well that his mob lost…’

    God forbid being anti-semitic. You can be a sexual deviant, invariably refer to Islam with hostility and contempt, even dislike blacks. It is of course quite alright to be anti-white.

    But anti-semitism? The horror. What justification could there possibly be for that?

  84. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    Checking Wikipedia: turnout's down about 15% from the general election. I don't know how much of that is because it's a by-election. Tories gained about half as many votes as Labour lost, and an independent candidate got nearly 10%, so all-in-all this looks more like a "plague on both their houses" result than a ringing endorsement of the Tories per se.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Ed Case

    There have been 504 House of Commons Byelections since 1945:
    file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/SN02383.pdf

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Ed Case

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02383/SN02383.pdf
    (interestingly they update the page / file it seems. the archive.org version of the pdf from 2016 only listed 487 whereas this one lists 504)

    (from this page https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02383/ where they also have a spreadsheet)

    Also from there, from some other story:
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/content/uploads/2021/05/4583406795_1768e90bd2_o.jpg

    I've never seen a "way in" sign, but i like it!

    Replies: @Cortes, @Muggles

  85. @Jonathan Mason
    Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption.

    I do not know if there is any public information about whether he is circumcised or not.

    He is actually a very intelligent, decent, and capable man, but maybe a bit lacking in political street smarts compared to his nemesis Johnson.

    https://youtu.be/HSviYPKNsos

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Wielgus, @dfordoom

    ‘Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption…’

    You could even say he’s a good gentile. Is he performing satisfactorily?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Colin Wright

    An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. Where is Disparate Impact doctrine when you need it? Must be around here somewhere.


    https://i.ibb.co/Hrz9Fd1/Screenshot-20210507-174807-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @vhrm

  86. @Altai
    OT:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December. I had assumed JJ Abrams would direct but apparently we will be spared since it would be to quote Warner sources 'tone deaf' for the director to not also be black. Given that Coates was chosen to write this, I have to assume that Superman being black won't be treated as incidental.

    Bets on now. Will it be set before or during the civil rights period? Will the Kents be black? Will Superman land in the deep south rather than Kansas? Will Lex Luthor be bald because he's a skinhead? Will Superman get in trouble with the cops? I have to assume there will be a moment where some white police shoot at Superman only for him to shrug off their bullets.

    But don't worry stock holders, there is still more commercially nonviable work being done!

    Diversity and representation remain key drivers of the DC universe moving forward. Warners is developing a Latino Blue Beetle movie with Angel Manuel Soto attached to direct, and HBO Max is casting for a gay Green Lantern character for an upcoming series. And The CW’s Arrowverse is about to get its second Black female superhero series with Ava DuVernay’s Naomi (Batwoman also features a Black lead, Javicia Leslie) just as Black Lightning is about to wrap its final season.

     

    And in a similar vein to Steve' complaints about drives for more black applicants at Ivy Leagues always leaving them competing over the same small numbers of people, we now have this with black directors.

    In a fitting twist, the director search is pitting DC against none other than Marvel. As Warners looks to fill its Superman vacancy, Marvel is on the hunt for a Blade helmer and is combing through the same list. But the question will come down to what kind of filmmaker Bad Robot and Warners want: an up-and-comer who can be backed by Abrams, who knows his way around tentpoles and franchises? Or an established filmmaker like a Barry Jenkins or a Ryan Coogler?

    The former list can include Creed II’s Steven Caple Jr., J.D. Dillard, Regina King — who got raves for her drama One Night in Miami — and Shaka King, who is popular at Warners thanks to best picture Oscar nominee Judas and the Black Messiah. Some potential directors have met with both studios for both films, even as one agent said the process was “phenomenally early.” Meanwhile, Coogler may be a nonstarter for either assignment given that he will be occupied with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, which releases July 8, 2022.
     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @ChrisZ, @Buffalo Joe

    ‘OT:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    ‘Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December… ‘

    The ‘White Supremacists’ will need to take the names of any non-blacks attending. Obviously, they’ll have to undergo denazification the morning after.

  87. @Jonathan Mason
    Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption.

    I do not know if there is any public information about whether he is circumcised or not.

    He is actually a very intelligent, decent, and capable man, but maybe a bit lacking in political street smarts compared to his nemesis Johnson.

    https://youtu.be/HSviYPKNsos

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Wielgus, @dfordoom

    >some of my best friends
    You know who else had a Jewish wife and son? HP Lovecraft.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Wife yes (briefly). Son , no.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  88. @Anonymous
    Starmer seems like a similar media project to Barack Obama, and definitely an over-correction to the Jemmy Corbyn Experience. He knew Andrew Sullivan at school, always a bad sign. I think even though Johnson is an obvious clown and non-patriot the below-toff-level British electorate finds him at least entertaining and realizes Labor has been completely captured by collegiate bourgeois control freaks (George Galloway broke out years back).

    Like Obama the Starmer model sees this concerted effort to butch him up, even though he's clearly nothing more than a human-rights-lawyer weenie bring nothing except a long cursus honorum of goodwhite nonsense. The effort is not needed, anyone would seem higher-test compared to Miliband

    Replies: @anon

    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

     

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.
     
    In the case of Raw Muscle Glutes, that sense is far from Biblical. Ask the folks at Westboro.

    Replies: @anon

  89. @Anon
    @Whiskey

    Yet another delusional, morose, fantastical comment from our resident retard, "Whiskey". It is puzzling what could have made him the wreck he/she is today.


    I would enjoy laughing and pointing at him when the opposite of everything he believes comes true, but I doubt he/she will even live long enough see it.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @rebel yell

    >this guy is so wrong
    >should I post links, explanations, counterexamples, or images demonstrating his wrongness?
    >no, I’ll call him a retard instead.
    you are the reason your internet sucks

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  90. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Your rhetorical questions are sub-witty as always, but British Jews have tended to lean right, relatively, in comparison to their American version. This goes back to Cromwell times and they have far less emotional investment in tearing down jolly olde Blighty. There is no U.K. Philip Roth. Not a grand conspiracy to it, mate, just 2 different countries

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jack D, @Ben tillman

    Put otherwise, our Jews are better than your Jews.

    (I think that’s probably right, too. Not sure about the “ultra-orthodox” though.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @dearieme

    'Put otherwise, our Jews are better than your Jews.'

    They're only half a percent rather than two percent of the population. Best not to get too exuberant. Stick to squealing about imaginary 'antisemitism.'

  91. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    you’re using “boffin” wrong mein steve. maybe you meant “big wig”.

    …but then a Jewish campaign against him…

    corbyn is an authentic leftist, not an idpol fraud. bernie used to be the same. but then his jew came out. poor whites will move tory as long as labour moves idpol, aka anti-white. it’s sad that steve feels he’s stuck in his professional wrestling job misleading his readers, making them think it’s real. of course steve’s edumacation in econ and an mba and his former profession marketing…you know he’s 100% brainwashed by master or just a psychopath. what’s especially despicable about steve is that “racism” is 99% of the time just classism.

    here’s bernie feeling sad for steve:

  92. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    I don't know too much about British politics beyond what I've gleaned from Yes, Minister but I wonder whether the same pressures are apparent in Britain as they are here.

    The emergent ruling class, at least in the Anglosphere, seems to have transcended traditional left-right politics but found a primary home in the former left parties of these nations. It's an embrace of corporate power for social and political ends (which seems at odds with traditional leftism) together with an embrace of bizarre identity politics jihadism (which is the veneer it uses to feign that it is leftism) in place of advocacy for wage earners generally. There are a few constants, however:

    1) The intergenerational core national population and its culture is moribund and obsolete;

    2) The natural social, economic, and political concerns of the core national population are beyond the acceptable scope of political debate and - quite frankly - both xenophobic and racist;

    3) The nation itself is in dire peril if it is not quickly remade via migration, and, simultaneously, the nation has always welcomed migrants which makes it uniquely American/British/Irish (never mind that the proposition is that each nation is unique in precisely the same way and for the same reasons);

    4) Discipline is enforced by disproportionate social (and sometimes legal) sanction for dissent from any of the above.

    I suppose if a political party both abandons its core organizational principle (advocacy for labor/wage earners) while embracing a culture inimical to the interests of its former core constituency (ordinary Britons), it's bound to shed some of its traditional sources of support among the public. If only the Tories are (meekly, ineffectively) standing for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, you can see how they'd gain traction with ordinary Britons who (perhaps embarrassingly) like being British in some traditional sense.

    The Markle affair seems to be a bellwether for this division in British society - on the one hand, cultural insurgents using race as a weapon in an attack on a quintessential representation of old Britain, and the reaction of ordinary non-woke Britons to this assault.

    Replies: @Ghastly Oik

    If only the Tories are (meekly, ineffectively) standing for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, you can see how they’d gain traction with ordinary Britons who (perhaps embarrassingly) like being British in some traditional sense.

    Nah

    If the Tories stand for the proposition that Britons shall have a cognizable nation rather than the homogeneity of globalism, I must have missed it.

    The Tories, with one or two exceptions, are corrupt, mildly woke Extinction Rebellion in suits. Labour, are very woke Extinction Rebellion in suits who love lock-downs and think the British public haven’t been locked-down enough.

    In my view, as a working class Engishman, voting Tory to poke the woke (in truth, the wokeist) in the eye is a reasonable reason to vote Tory.

    But in truth, as I believe the Russians say,both are worst.

  93. @Anon
    @Whiskey

    Yet another delusional, morose, fantastical comment from our resident retard, "Whiskey". It is puzzling what could have made him the wreck he/she is today.


    I would enjoy laughing and pointing at him when the opposite of everything he believes comes true, but I doubt he/she will even live long enough see it.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @rebel yell

    Whiskey’s usual thesis is that white women are the most Woke people on earth and harbor the most hatred toward white men. If you keep up with the various graphs of political views posted on Audacious Epigone’s blog you will see that Whiskey is correct on this point. Educated white women are reliably the group that is most full of malice toward white men. Toxic femininity is real.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Anon
    @rebel yell

    Wtf?

    It's the exact opposite, you tard. White women are the race of women most likely to support Trump and the rest of your faggoty shit.

    And note that support for Democrats, etc, does not translate to malice towards white men. White men are the most desired men on the planet, and some of the most Leftist women (i.e. Asian women) actually prefer them over their own men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  94. @Caspar von Everec
    And they'll use this mandate to import two million more Hong Kongers and Singaporeans to grow the GDP and make British wages more competitive i.e lower.

    Ain't the tories great?

    Replies: @Fredrik, @Alexander Turok

    People liked to say Brexit was to reduce immigration.

    That was a scam and I’ve said so repeatedly on here.

    You forgot the Indians and Nigerians.

    On the other hand I can’t see any reason for any sane person to vote Labour.

  95. It’s easier to guess how to pronounce kedgeree than Hartlepool.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar


    It’s easier to guess how to pronounce kedgeree than Hartlepool.
     
    Art-lep-ool.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  96. @Caspar von Everec
    And they'll use this mandate to import two million more Hong Kongers and Singaporeans to grow the GDP and make British wages more competitive i.e lower.

    Ain't the tories great?

    Replies: @Fredrik, @Alexander Turok

    Do Singaporeans want to immigrate to Britain?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Alexander Turok

    Maybe the dumb ones.

  97. @Anonymous
    @William Badwhite

    He was a serial wife beater.
    Surely, by now he has been 'damned and eradicated' in the Roman way.

    Replies: @Alden

    As I remember, she was very sturdy and strong because of her cleaner job. And always got the better of him.

  98. @dearieme
    @Anonymous

    Put otherwise, our Jews are better than your Jews.

    (I think that's probably right, too. Not sure about the "ultra-orthodox" though.)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Put otherwise, our Jews are better than your Jews.’

    They’re only half a percent rather than two percent of the population. Best not to get too exuberant. Stick to squealing about imaginary ‘antisemitism.’

  99. @Lot
    @Jack D

    Steve got a lot wrong in just 1 sentence.

    1. The anti-Corbyn campaign from UK Jews came nearly as soon as he took power in Labour, not after the 2017 election.

    2. Corbyn didn’t “nearly upset” May. Labour performed above expectations, but still horribly. The Conservatives went from 330 to 317 seats, Labour from 232 to 262, with the largest gains from SNP. May had a larger share than Cameron did in 2010.

    3. While it was heartening to see how competent and organized the Jewish campaign against Labour was, it wasn’t significant. It might have directly cost Labour 2 or 3 seats in suburban London, but the giant shift against Labour was in Scotland and white working class areas with minimal Jewish population or influence.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    I think I was in England at that time, and I watched the BBC to kill hotel room time

    The BBC is more brainwashy than the US media.

    It was bad, worse than anything I could have imagined.

    • Agree: donut
  100. @epebble
    Mrs. Thatcher is regularly shown personally frying up some kedgeree in her small kitchen

    It is funny that the porridge of 19th Century working class Indians lives in British Prime Minister's kitchen. Globalization, Ancien Style.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedgeree

    Replies: @dearieme

    A fine breakfast dish, kedgeree, if you don’t feel like a kipper or bacon & eggs. I amn’t fond of devilled kidneys, mind, traditional or not.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @dearieme

    I had it just this morning. And thank you for putting that fine contraction,”amn’t” into writing. I was shocked to discover that it isn’t accepted usage here in the states back around my seventeenth year. I’m going to start using it again now that I’m getting old enough to be a curmudgeon.

  101. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    The problem for Corbyn was that the campaign against him was at least 50% taking place inside the Labour Party, as the Blairites (Starmer, Wes Streeting etc) did all they could to sabotage his campaign – one major blow being persuading him to support a second referendum, which infuriated voters in places like Hartlepool.

    It’s all academic from my perspective, as I didn’t want him to win – he’d have opened the borders even wider than Boris on Day 1 as compensation for imperialism and slavery. But the campaign (and the lies about anti-semitism, still echoed even here) was by people who were horrified by the prospect, however remote, of a British Prime Minister not 110% supportive of Israel, as Blair/Cameron/May all were.

    When you remember Mossad had a guy from the embassy in London plotting with the aide of a (Jewish) Tory MP to bring down a junior Tory Foreign Office minister (Alan Duncan, another politician I have little time for), you have to judge that a lot more effort would be put in against a potential Prime Minister with the wrong views.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098082/Astonishing-undercover-video-captures-diplomat-conspiring-rival-MP-s-aide-smear-Deputy-Foreign-Secretary.html

    Further footage shows the Israeli diplomat, intelligence expert Shai Masot, telling senior Labour MP Joan Ryan that he has obtained ‘more than £1 million’ to pay for sympathetic Labour MPs to visit Israel.

    Mr Masot also mocks ‘crazy’Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his ‘weirdo’ supporters. Footage shows pro-Israel Labour activists discussing the Jerusalem government’s secret role in backing their activities.

    Last night it emerged that Israeli ambassador Mark Regev had made a full apology to Sir Alan for Mr Masot’s ‘completely unacceptable’ comments.

    • Agree: Cortes
  102. @Jonathan Mason
    The Labour party is fragmented along the double axes of Brexit vs Remain, and Woke vs Unwoke.

    A lot of lifelong Labour voters have switched to Tory over both issues. The Lib-Dem vote has collapsed and it's erstwhile leader now works for Facebook.

    Clearly the Lib-Dem vote has not moved to Labour.

    Keir Starmer is no charmer, those not have the flair of Blair, lacks personal televisual charisma, and does not seem to have succeeded in producing any simple "four legs good, two legs bad" slogans for the sheep.

    In addition to that, Labor has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.

    If Keir Starmer was a bit more like Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, perhaps he could revive his party. Maybe he could appear in a kilt with no underwear on a windy day and get the voters' attention.

    Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable, whereas Starmer, as a lawyer, comes over as legalistic and dry.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Lurker, @YetAnotherAnon

    Boris: “jabs and jobs”.

    Starmer: “blah, blah, blah”.

  103. @Jack D

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    I don't understand - why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Redneck farmer, @Jonathan Mason, @Highlander, @Ian Smith, @Abe, @Sean, @J.Ross, @Lot, @Colin Wright, @Tex

    Zionists have no eternal allies, only eternal interests.

    • LOL: Cortes
  104. @RichardTaylor

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    That wasn't a result of of super duper Jewish IQ. It was the result of passion. Sure, you need to get across a certain threshold in order to be effective (Whites are more than hight enough), but once there, the issue is, what do you care about?

    To the consternation of many, including some HBD'ers, Whites will become more politically active as a group, openly, for their own interests.

    Yes, it's identity politics. Guess what, all politics is identity politics.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    Guess what, all politics is identity politics.

    All except white politics, surely? We keep voting in other people’s interests.

  105. @William Badwhite

    Hartlepool, an economically struggling coastal town
     
    Hartlepool is/was the home of Andy Capp

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article24034527.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_AndyCappMAY06.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon

    They have censored him! Andy Capp always, always, had a fag* hanging from his lower lip.

    Given that his creator, Reg Smythe, died of lung cancer in 1998 it was a canny move by the successor cartoonists to de-fag him. But this is how he should always be depicted.

    * British style, not US style

  106. @YetAnotherAnon
    Huffpo think the problem with Hartlepool is too many white voters, Guardian liveblogger Andrew Sparrow calls it "a very good analysis".

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/six-reasons-labour-lost-hartlepool-byelection_uk_6094fdd9e4b0b37f89476272

    "Labour’s problems with white working class voters contrast with its successes in maintaining its vote among Britain’s large Asian population. But while that vote is incredibly loyal (as proved in seats like Bedford, as well as big cities, in the 2019 election), it is obviously absent in many towns across the country and Hartlepool is a clear example.

    Labour’s next big by-election challenge is likely to be in Batley and Spen, which sitting MP Tracey Brabin will have to vacate if she wins the West Yorkshire mayoralty. Fortunately for the party, there is a substantial south Asian heritage population in the seat"
     

    Replies: @Rob McX

    That’s as close as it gets to saying straight out, “Let’s elect a new people”.

  107. OT. Matt Gaetz on Bannon just now chastising Cheney for her “invade the world invite the world” ethic.

  108. OT: On Steve Bannon’s War Room – PANDEMIC just now (5:05pmEDT), Matt Gaetz used the phrase Invade Everywhere Invite Everyone in the context of Liz (Elizabeth The Imperious) Cheney. Call your trademark attorney, SS.

    • Thanks: Lot
  109. Some days ago the big clubs in Europe introduced, as a fait accompli, a US style soccer league with no relegation or promotion. This caused an uproar among British fans. Boris stated that laws had to be changed to prevent it. On social media this was welcomed by the ordinary blokes. The clubs might be rich and powerful but against the government they are powerless. The Prime Minister got a lot of goodwill for his stance, for standing up for the will of the fans. “Whose side are you on?”

  110. @Reg Cæsar
    It's easier to guess how to pronounce kedgeree than Hartlepool.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    It’s easier to guess how to pronounce kedgeree than Hartlepool.

    Art-lep-ool.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    So the H is silent, not the T. As I said, not easy to guess.

    I was taught it was "Harley-pool", but obviously not by a native. And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with "Humphrey"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

  111. @Alexander Turok
    @Caspar von Everec

    Do Singaporeans want to immigrate to Britain?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Maybe the dumb ones.

  112. @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    >some of my best friends
    You know who else had a Jewish wife and son? HP Lovecraft.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Wife yes (briefly). Son , no.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Disagree. It wasn't his own progeny but had already been born, and grew hands and ears and feet, and was part of the package. Point is the association has nothing to do with the accusation.

    Replies: @Jack D

  113. Lot says:
    @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    “ they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks”

    No evidence that Corbyn hates Jews as a race like some of our friends here. He rejects any idea of a special status or sensitivity for Jews however, and we can’t have that.

    Corbyn is kind of a DeBlasio figure: an obscure and somewhat dumb white politician who dislikes whites, is in a white-minority big city, and identifies with dysfunctional minorities (blacks and Muslims, not Jews or NE Asians) and who rose suddenly as a fluke.

    Corbyn, being a far left black in mentality (like his oldest ally Diane Abbot), dislikes Jews but not uniquely, but as “super-whites” which is how Jews appear to blacks.

  114. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Wife yes (briefly). Son , no.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Disagree. It wasn’t his own progeny but had already been born, and grew hands and ears and feet, and was part of the package. Point is the association has nothing to do with the accusation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Lovecraft's wife had a daughter. A son was also born to her but died in infancy before Lovecraft came on the scene.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  115. @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    'Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption...'

    You could even say he's a good gentile. Is he performing satisfactorily?

    Replies: @Polistra

    An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. Where is Disparate Impact doctrine when you need it? Must be around here somewhere.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Polistra

    'An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. '

    Can you offer a more solid basis for that claim? It would be useful if it can be documented.

    , @vhrm
    @Polistra

    This story is new to me but from that article it doesn't appear he "raped" anyone. He was trading sex for legal services when he was in private practice as a defense attorney.

    Accordingly what he pled guilty to was:
    " witness intimidation, promoting prostitution and obstruction of justice"

    And the "witness intimidation and obstruction of justice" is because he told some of the women not to rat on him to the grand jury.

    Sleazy? absolutely. Criminal? not from what's been released so far (except for the "obstruction of justice" but come on...)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9554767/Pennsylvania-DA-44-pleads-guilty-raping-five-women-office-putting-noise-cancelling-machine-on.html

    I like the dailymail because it'll print stuff that the US MSM buries, but one also has to keep in mind that it's a tabloid and goes for shock value over nuance.

  116. In the 1980’s the EU tired to solve the problem of overcapacity in steel, milk production, fishing and food production in general by use of quotas. All the producers had reasons to think that the quotas were unfair to the advantage of foreigners. British anti EU politicians and especially media owners fanned these flames. Hartlepool, like Blaenau Gwent, the most leave area in Wales, was and is a steel town. The farmers and fishermen may be having second thoughts now their access to EU markets is more difficult. If the steel works is closed, the consequences of Brexit are irrelevant. Andy CApp was dressed as a steel worker.

    Hartlepool was also a trawler port and was the site of large protests against the EEC quotas.

    Since Leaving the EU became an issue, Hartlepool has been as extreme outlier because of this history.

    Meanwhile in Wales, things are looking good for Labour. In the Welsh Government elections, it looks as though Labour might get a majority for the first time since the Welsh Parliament, then the Assembly, was set up in 1999. Labour has always been part of the government but has never had overall control.

    Why the different performance for Labour in Wales rather than England?

    1) In Wales, the Labour Government and its leader MArk Drakeford managed the SARS2 response promptly and very cautiously. This was appreciated by the electorate who considered Welsh Labour to be representing their interests. Having a leadership position in a crisis is always an advantage.
    2) Welsh Labour is considerably less woke. The Health minister is half Zambian but nobody disputes that he holds his post on merit rather than affirmative action. Welsh Labour worships to the same small gods as English Labour but the ones worshipped by the metropolitan elite are mounted lower down the totem pole.
    3) The academic and public sector management class speak with almost the same accents as the long term unemployed. Cultural differences between classes are much smaller than in England or indeed Scotland. Labour’s Trade Union connections still work both ways. (Not so great for good administration but it keeps Labour engaged with its base).

    The differential between English and Welsh Labour performace even gives us a measure for the value of Leadership in a Crisis. It is too early to calculate as not all the results are in.

    Interestingly, half of Welsh Labour voters are now in facour of Welsh independence according to opinion polls. The official party line is Federalism also supported by Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems, the Greens and some minor parties. Plaid Cymru and the Greens support it as a step towards independence but PC contains large differences of opinion on the matter.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  117. @RichardTaylor

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    That wasn't a result of of super duper Jewish IQ. It was the result of passion. Sure, you need to get across a certain threshold in order to be effective (Whites are more than hight enough), but once there, the issue is, what do you care about?

    To the consternation of many, including some HBD'ers, Whites will become more politically active as a group, openly, for their own interests.

    Yes, it's identity politics. Guess what, all politics is identity politics.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    Guess what, all politics is identity politics.

    Which is why smart whites back repatriation of the unassimilable. The unassimilable have never added anything of value, just headaches.

    As Idi would say, get this garbage out of my country.

  118. @Altai
    OT:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December. I had assumed JJ Abrams would direct but apparently we will be spared since it would be to quote Warner sources 'tone deaf' for the director to not also be black. Given that Coates was chosen to write this, I have to assume that Superman being black won't be treated as incidental.

    Bets on now. Will it be set before or during the civil rights period? Will the Kents be black? Will Superman land in the deep south rather than Kansas? Will Lex Luthor be bald because he's a skinhead? Will Superman get in trouble with the cops? I have to assume there will be a moment where some white police shoot at Superman only for him to shrug off their bullets.

    But don't worry stock holders, there is still more commercially nonviable work being done!

    Diversity and representation remain key drivers of the DC universe moving forward. Warners is developing a Latino Blue Beetle movie with Angel Manuel Soto attached to direct, and HBO Max is casting for a gay Green Lantern character for an upcoming series. And The CW’s Arrowverse is about to get its second Black female superhero series with Ava DuVernay’s Naomi (Batwoman also features a Black lead, Javicia Leslie) just as Black Lightning is about to wrap its final season.

     

    And in a similar vein to Steve' complaints about drives for more black applicants at Ivy Leagues always leaving them competing over the same small numbers of people, we now have this with black directors.

    In a fitting twist, the director search is pitting DC against none other than Marvel. As Warners looks to fill its Superman vacancy, Marvel is on the hunt for a Blade helmer and is combing through the same list. But the question will come down to what kind of filmmaker Bad Robot and Warners want: an up-and-comer who can be backed by Abrams, who knows his way around tentpoles and franchises? Or an established filmmaker like a Barry Jenkins or a Ryan Coogler?

    The former list can include Creed II’s Steven Caple Jr., J.D. Dillard, Regina King — who got raves for her drama One Night in Miami — and Shaka King, who is popular at Warners thanks to best picture Oscar nominee Judas and the Black Messiah. Some potential directors have met with both studios for both films, even as one agent said the process was “phenomenally early.” Meanwhile, Coogler may be a nonstarter for either assignment given that he will be occupied with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, which releases July 8, 2022.
     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @ChrisZ, @Buffalo Joe

    Good questions, Altai. Here are some others:

    Will Lois Lane be white?

    Will Superman’s biological parents be Jo’-Diggety-El and Laraquetia?

    Will the race of Krypton be black? (Two schools of thought occur to me: Krypton will be a fantasy paradise where black inhabitants speak like upper class Brits; alternatively Krypton will be a white supremacy that destroys its own world, as the oppressed black scientist rescues his own son.)

    Will Perry White still spell his name with a capital W?

    Will the Fortress of Solitude be relocated from the arctic to a more equatorial latitude?

  119. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don’t have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    “Not having a policy on the Middle East” is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America’s problem.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    “Not having a policy on the Middle East” is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America’s problem.

     

    Americans' problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that.

    It could also serve as the camel's nose* for general repatriation.


    *Nose, you perverts, nose.

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/766/6-camel-toe-slideshow-camel-toe-1492709761.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  120. @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar


    It’s easier to guess how to pronounce kedgeree than Hartlepool.
     
    Art-lep-ool.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So the H is silent, not the T. As I said, not easy to guess.

    I was taught it was “Harley-pool”, but obviously not by a native. And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with “Humphrey”?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whether the H is silent depends a bit on where you are from. In Yorkshire we drop our aitches. Hartlepool is not in Yorkshire, but it lies on the opposite bank of the River Tees from Middlesborough which is in North Yorkshire.

    The name would be best known to many Brits from the BBC reading of the classified football results, where the local team used to be known Hartlepools United.

    The BBC pronounced it Heart-Lee-Pools.

    People from Hartlepool are known as Hartlepudlians in the same way that people from Liverpool are known as Liverpudlians. People from Blackpool are sometimes called Blackpudlians.

    People from Hartlepool are also known as "Monkey Hangers" based on a (probably) apocryphal story that some Hartlepudlians in the early nineteenth century hanged a shipwrecked monkey that was wearing a French army uniform because they thought it was a Frenchman and because it refused to answer questions in English. (Don't worry, it had a proper trial.)

    Local rugby clubs in Hartlepool use an emblem of a hanging monkey, so they are quite proud of this story that emphasizes their patriotism.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/09/19/TELEMMGLPICT000000318606_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqJ6RiS5Rjb_N6p5OO4zvskpl7xknC3QqeivHMGcpqvm0.jpeg?imwidth=1400

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar


    And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with “Humphrey”?
     
    I think that is probably obsolete.

    Pontefract is in Yorkshire, not far from Leeds and as far as I know is pronounced Pon-tee-fract. At least based on BBC broadcasts of horse-racing results from Pontefract race course.

    Pontefract is famous for Pontefract (Pomphret) cakes and as the location where King Richard II was murdered at Pontefract Castle while enjoying some Yorkshire hospitality.

    The name Pomfret is associated with the name of the castle and with the cakes rather than the town based on a line from Shakespeare's play Richard II.

    Pomfret, Pomfret! O thou bloody prison,
    Fatal and ominous to noble peers!
    Within the guilty closure of thy walls
    Richard the Second here was hack'd to death;

    The name Pontefract is, of course from Latin, and means, as you would expect, "bridge broken." In recent years there has been very serious damage done by water in the floodplains of these two rivers which drain water from the Pennine hills and moors.

    Pontefract is located not far from the confluence of the Rivers Calder and Aire, and is located on the A1 highway, which used to be known as the Great North Road before the days of freeways (motorways) and was the principal road from London to Edinburgh and followed the route of Roman roads in some stretches.

    This is the road that highwayman Dick Turpin is supposed to have used for his amazing (but highly unlikely) 15-hour ride from London to York on his horse Black Bess.
  121. @anon
    @Anonymous

    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.

    In the case of Raw Muscle Glutes, that sense is far from Biblical. Ask the folks at Westboro.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the case of Raw Muscle Glutes, that sense is far from Biblical.

    Go discuss this with Lot. The original, not the local imitation.

    Ask the folks at Westboro.

    Who?

  122. @Anon
    OT

    Eric Turkheimer protégé (Kathryn) Paige Harden has a release date (September 21, 2021) and cover for her book:

    The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality

    A provocative and timely case for how the science of genetics can help create a more just and equal society

    In recent years, scientists like Kathryn Paige Harden have shown that DNA makes us different, in our personalities and in our health―and in ways that matter for educational and economic success in our current society.

    In The Genetic Lottery, Harden introduces readers to the latest genetic science, dismantling dangerous ideas about racial superiority and challenging us to grapple with what equality really means in a world where people are born different. Weaving together personal stories with scientific evidence, Harden shows why our refusal to recognize the power of DNA perpetuates the myth of meritocracy, and argues that we must acknowledge the role of genetic luck if we are ever to create a fair society.

    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.
     
    The "we must acknowledge our genetic luck" is quite philosophically bufuddling, since "we" do not exist before our genome makes and defines us during meiosis, and without that genome, we would no longer be we. It's like asking what time it was just before the Big Bang. But no matter. Just concentrate on the simple message that we have to give a lot of money to black people. Forever. Hopefully this new way of thinking seques into "they must acknowledge their genetic misfortune (of criminality)."

    https://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Lottery-Matters-Social-Equality/dp/0691190801

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Forbes

    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.

    If you’re going to help everyone who drew a short straw in the genetics game, why stop at humans? Chimps and cockroaches need a hand up too.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Rob McX

    ... if everyone thrives then how does money work there?

  123. @Rob McX
    @Anon


    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.
     
    If you're going to help everyone who drew a short straw in the genetics game, why stop at humans? Chimps and cockroaches need a hand up too.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    … if everyone thrives then how does money work there?

  124. @Anonymous
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1390418462820814850?s=20

    Asians (especially the NE Asian variety being attacked in NYC, Oakland/SF, Baltimore) are supposed to be smart. How long before they figure out leftist/liberal policies directly affect them and their grandmothers?? This stabby guy was arrested for a violent attack in 2017 and was supposed to be doing a 25-to-life sentence.

    Instead of holding mere symbolic #StopAsianHate #StopAAPIHate rallies it’d be more prudent to not support/vote for leftist Jewish DAs whose parents were both in prison for murder (father still locked up in max) or black mayors who come from the projects.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    ThreeThreeSeven, vicious POS who should be in prison but California has shown at the ballot box, uber leftist chesa boudin is SF’s new DA, that they want to try “restorative justice” for a while. Slowly the Asians in the Bay Area might swing right. We will see.

  125. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    i have this dream where idris elba plays james bond but at the end of the movie he reaches over and pulls off his elaborate mask and underneath is an irish setter and the irish setter says, “hahaha…you thought i defused all those nuclear bombs in england…hahaha!”

    the sexiest dog alive.

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @Cortes
    @anon

    Marvellous!

    Reminds me of

    https://youtu.be/1ldZUQFr_9k

    (One of the better “And Introducing”s)

  126. @Altai
    OT:

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-superman-ta-nehisi-coates-warner-bros-movie-1234947599/

    Na-Nehisi Coates script for the black Superman movie is set to be delivered this December. I had assumed JJ Abrams would direct but apparently we will be spared since it would be to quote Warner sources 'tone deaf' for the director to not also be black. Given that Coates was chosen to write this, I have to assume that Superman being black won't be treated as incidental.

    Bets on now. Will it be set before or during the civil rights period? Will the Kents be black? Will Superman land in the deep south rather than Kansas? Will Lex Luthor be bald because he's a skinhead? Will Superman get in trouble with the cops? I have to assume there will be a moment where some white police shoot at Superman only for him to shrug off their bullets.

    But don't worry stock holders, there is still more commercially nonviable work being done!

    Diversity and representation remain key drivers of the DC universe moving forward. Warners is developing a Latino Blue Beetle movie with Angel Manuel Soto attached to direct, and HBO Max is casting for a gay Green Lantern character for an upcoming series. And The CW’s Arrowverse is about to get its second Black female superhero series with Ava DuVernay’s Naomi (Batwoman also features a Black lead, Javicia Leslie) just as Black Lightning is about to wrap its final season.

     

    And in a similar vein to Steve' complaints about drives for more black applicants at Ivy Leagues always leaving them competing over the same small numbers of people, we now have this with black directors.

    In a fitting twist, the director search is pitting DC against none other than Marvel. As Warners looks to fill its Superman vacancy, Marvel is on the hunt for a Blade helmer and is combing through the same list. But the question will come down to what kind of filmmaker Bad Robot and Warners want: an up-and-comer who can be backed by Abrams, who knows his way around tentpoles and franchises? Or an established filmmaker like a Barry Jenkins or a Ryan Coogler?

    The former list can include Creed II’s Steven Caple Jr., J.D. Dillard, Regina King — who got raves for her drama One Night in Miami — and Shaka King, who is popular at Warners thanks to best picture Oscar nominee Judas and the Black Messiah. Some potential directors have met with both studios for both films, even as one agent said the process was “phenomenally early.” Meanwhile, Coogler may be a nonstarter for either assignment given that he will be occupied with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, which releases July 8, 2022.
     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @ChrisZ, @Buffalo Joe

    Altai, Coates’ superman will fly in and position himself between coates’ son and a nasty White lady who had the temerity to move the boy out of her way. The premise of everything coates writes is based on perceived slights and micro aggressions by Whites.

  127. @Abe
    @Jack D


    I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?
     
    British Jews are the canary in the time shaft. OT (though not really, as you’ll see...) Philip Roth’s authorized biographer was just MeToo’d & cancelled upon discovery of having mack’d too much on his former female students- predictable bogus charges of “rape”, seemingly true charges of “grooming” as the 20-ish chickie-poo’s he Britney Spear’d over the years were former students at the private middle school he’d taught at. YEACH!, but like “Russian collusion” not even remotely a crime and if we were to condemn every man who was ever romantically interested in a girl young enough to be his daughter or even one of his daughters’ childhood friends... WWI-era British PM H.H. Asquith was infatuated with his daughter’s friend Venetia Stanley and probably led a bayonet charge beneath her sheets. And about the same time Hollyweird gave Roman Polanski his Oscar there was an award-bait movie out called HISTORY BOYS celebrating mid-century British public school boy botherers.

    Anyway, Venetia Stanley married into the the established and respectable Anglo-Jewish Montagu family as British Jewry is about one century time-shifted over American Jewry. I distinctly remember Roth complaining about the social anti-Semitism he experienced in Britain while married to second wife/Shakespearean actress Claire Bloom, herself a product of this Anglo-Jewish milieu and very likely a participant or at least quietist when it came to some of the snubs Roth experienced. Reading reviews of the now Wintston Smith’d/effectively-samizdat’d biography in order to recover some of it, I learned that despite being born lower middle class Roth is very urbane and charming in person (irregardless of being a real-life professor of desire in his after hours- his friend the former-U Penn.[?] English Dept. Chair was procuring tasty barely legal coeds for him well into Roth’s 60’s) so it’s not like Roth is some sweaty, gauche, loud-mouthed arriviste. But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.

    Other fascinating thing I learned thanks to my recent WWI reading jag is that Roth’s whole body of work is wearily unoriginal & played-out, at least by Anglo-Jewish standards. In the 1870’s (yes, almost 100 years before PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT!) middle-class Anglo-Jewish writers were putting out novels with near identical unflattering depictions of their economically comfortable yet philistine co-ethnics- cf. Julia Frankau and her DR PHILLIPS novel, or Amy Levy and REUBEN SACHS. Also near identical cries of anguish from the writers’ communities, questions of whether they’d write the same sort of book if future-Hitler were now born, etc.

    So anyway, as a result of being 100 years future-shifted, Anglo-Jews are ultra-assimilated, ultra-bourgeois, and also stuck check-to-jowl on a small island with an order of magnitude more Muslims, another consequence of their future-shift.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Reg Cæsar

    But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.

    That’s right. I’ve known some of these Anglo-Jews pretty well (various Hambros, Horatia Lawson the daughter of ex-Chancellor Nigel Lawson and tragically less physically attractive sister of Nigella, et al.), and it’s a whole ‘nother thing than what one generally encounters among the Jews of for example New York City.

  128. Completely off-topic, but important: there has been a police massacre in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, with at least 25 dead. Most of the killed were poor black “favelados”. There will be hell to pay for this. Amnesty International is already calling for the heads of the police chief that headed the raid, the overall Police Chief of the State of Rio de Janeiro, the state governor and even the vice-President, who supported the massacre. The police commander who headed the operation calls himself a “raiding chieftain”, and said that “this is what we do.”

  129. @Jonathan Mason
    The Labour party is fragmented along the double axes of Brexit vs Remain, and Woke vs Unwoke.

    A lot of lifelong Labour voters have switched to Tory over both issues. The Lib-Dem vote has collapsed and it's erstwhile leader now works for Facebook.

    Clearly the Lib-Dem vote has not moved to Labour.

    Keir Starmer is no charmer, those not have the flair of Blair, lacks personal televisual charisma, and does not seem to have succeeded in producing any simple "four legs good, two legs bad" slogans for the sheep.

    In addition to that, Labor has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.

    If Keir Starmer was a bit more like Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, perhaps he could revive his party. Maybe he could appear in a kilt with no underwear on a windy day and get the voters' attention.

    Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable, whereas Starmer, as a lawyer, comes over as legalistic and dry.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Lurker, @YetAnotherAnon

    In addition to that, Labour has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.

    Scotland as a Labour stronghold is actually a relatively recent phenomenon*. Scotland was actually a Tory stronghold within living memory. In the 1950s the Conservatives could still win over 50% of Scottish votes, not just seats but the actual popular votes. Scottish Tory decline began from there, its really only in the 1970s that we see Labour becoming dominant in Scotland. By the 1990s the SNP were becoming important. It’s actually Wales that’s rock-solid Labour whereas Scotland was only that temporarily.

    * Apparently, in the 19th century, with the move away from wood to iron/steel ships, English shipbuilders hit upon the Clyde as a good location to relocate their operations to because Scottish workers were seen as more conservative than troublesome, radical English workers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lurker

    Not true:

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish - all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lurker

  130. Hartlepool is about 87 miles by train to Rotherham. So it’s within the same area. Perhaps Hartlepool can emphasize with what has gone on in Rotherham. Wonder if Hartlepool has a sizable immigrant population similar to Rotherham.

  131. @Rob McX
    @dearieme


    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don’t have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.
     
    "Not having a policy on the Middle East" is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America's problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Not having a policy on the Middle East” is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America’s problem.

    Americans’ problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that.

    It could also serve as the camel’s nose* for general repatriation.

    *Nose, you perverts, nose.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Americans’ problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that...'

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate. I mean, I'm sure they have their flaws, but...

    It's immoral to solve your problems by dumping them on victims too small to prevent you from doing it.

    We just need to have the moral courage to pass some frank numerus clausus type laws. We do that, and we needn't make life hell for people who never did anything to us.

    Cowardice can be indistinguishable from evil. We haven't the right to inflict our Jews on anyone else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

  132. One thing UK electoral rolls can tell you is that Yasmin Crotch appears to be her real name:

    https://www.192.com/atoz/people/crotch/yasmin/sg1/1064452781/

  133. vhrm says:
    @Ed Case
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    There have been 504 House of Commons Byelections since 1945:
    file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/SN02383.pdf

    Replies: @vhrm

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02383/SN02383.pdf
    (interestingly they update the page / file it seems. the archive.org version of the pdf from 2016 only listed 487 whereas this one lists 504)

    (from this page https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02383/ where they also have a spreadsheet)

    Also from there, from some other story:

    I’ve never seen a “way in” sign, but i like it!

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @vhrm

    I can’t be certain that “Way In” hasn’t been used before, but the polling station I attended yesterday had a one-way system within the building. After voting one had to follow the designated route to exit. That was definitely a novel arrangement.

    , @Muggles
    @vhrm


    I’ve never seen a “way in” sign, but i like it!
     
    In foreign locales I used to visit for work which used British English, you would also see "Way Out" signs. For exits.

    Way out, man...
  134. If someone has already referred to this, then apologies, but the Deep State leader of Labour has a real personality problem: he doesn’t have one. The Neil Clark article on RT has it about right. Starmer is “so wooden, birds try to nest in him.”

    Another great victory for the “intelligence” services. Controlled opposition, anyone?

    • Agree: Wielgus
  135. Corbyn’s Labour anti-Semitism made me consider joining.
    But they still stab Brits in the back. So it’s only Patriotic Alternative for me now.

  136. @vhrm
    @Ed Case

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02383/SN02383.pdf
    (interestingly they update the page / file it seems. the archive.org version of the pdf from 2016 only listed 487 whereas this one lists 504)

    (from this page https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02383/ where they also have a spreadsheet)

    Also from there, from some other story:
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/content/uploads/2021/05/4583406795_1768e90bd2_o.jpg

    I've never seen a "way in" sign, but i like it!

    Replies: @Cortes, @Muggles

    I can’t be certain that “Way In” hasn’t been used before, but the polling station I attended yesterday had a one-way system within the building. After voting one had to follow the designated route to exit. That was definitely a novel arrangement.

  137. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    “Not having a policy on the Middle East” is considered antisemitic. Look at what happens to politicians who say Israel is not America’s problem.

     

    Americans' problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that.

    It could also serve as the camel's nose* for general repatriation.


    *Nose, you perverts, nose.

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/766/6-camel-toe-slideshow-camel-toe-1492709761.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Americans’ problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that…’

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate. I mean, I’m sure they have their flaws, but…

    It’s immoral to solve your problems by dumping them on victims too small to prevent you from doing it.

    We just need to have the moral courage to pass some frank numerus clausus type laws. We do that, and we needn’t make life hell for people who never did anything to us.

    Cowardice can be indistinguishable from evil. We haven’t the right to inflict our Jews on anyone else.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.

    What 'fate'? They're a subset of the Levantine Arab population with notably unconstructive political goals. If they wanted some other set of circumstances than the one they have, they'd have worked toward them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright


    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.
     
    The same thing the Copts did?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  138. Anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    Yes the Hartlepool election is more of the same electoral realignment seen across the Western world, a more interesting result is Madrid where the anti-lockdown leader doubled her vote whilst the socialist vote halved.

    Replies: @Anon

    Indeed. And the “far-right” Vox has consolidated a position as a valid ally to form a government. But then Santiago Abascal and Ayuso are true statesmen😀, while leftist Sanchez is inept and a proven liar in Soros’ pocket. His unkempt sidekick Iglesias an egregiously corrupt, divisive politician. In Spain, the discourse of the right has been extremely well articulated, and in culture-war terms to boot. France is an interesting case, with a few voices speaking of sovereignty, of risk of civil war, of love for France. And an anti-immigration assimilationist candidate for the 2022, jewish Eric Zenmour, has been accused of sexual harassment.
    https://www.healthquantum.us/2021/05/04/polemicist-eric-zemmour-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-socialist-gaelle-lenfant-47/

  139. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @rebel yell
    @Anon

    Whiskey's usual thesis is that white women are the most Woke people on earth and harbor the most hatred toward white men. If you keep up with the various graphs of political views posted on Audacious Epigone's blog you will see that Whiskey is correct on this point. Educated white women are reliably the group that is most full of malice toward white men. Toxic femininity is real.

    Replies: @Anon

    Wtf?

    It’s the exact opposite, you tard. White women are the race of women most likely to support Trump and the rest of your faggoty shit.

    And note that support for Democrats, etc, does not translate to malice towards white men. White men are the most desired men on the planet, and some of the most Leftist women (i.e. Asian women) actually prefer them over their own men.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    White men are the most desired men on the planet, and some of the most Leftist women (i.e. Asian women) actually prefer them over their own men.
     
    No, they prefer that one white man who's bringing home the bacon raw boar's head. The rest of us can go stuff our won-tons.


    https://www.loupiote.com/photos_m/pig-heads-thailand-18321026.jpg

  140. @Polistra
    @Colin Wright

    An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. Where is Disparate Impact doctrine when you need it? Must be around here somewhere.


    https://i.ibb.co/Hrz9Fd1/Screenshot-20210507-174807-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @vhrm

    ‘An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. ‘

    Can you offer a more solid basis for that claim? It would be useful if it can be documented.

  141. @anon
    i have this dream where idris elba plays james bond but at the end of the movie he reaches over and pulls off his elaborate mask and underneath is an irish setter and the irish setter says, "hahaha...you thought i defused all those nuclear bombs in england...hahaha!"

    the sexiest dog alive.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Marvellous!

    Reminds me of

    (One of the better “And Introducing”s)

  142. vhrm says:
    @Polistra
    @Colin Wright

    An informal survey indicates that approximately 65 percent of #metoo cases are chosenite while only 30 percent are negroes. Where is Disparate Impact doctrine when you need it? Must be around here somewhere.


    https://i.ibb.co/Hrz9Fd1/Screenshot-20210507-174807-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @vhrm

    This story is new to me but from that article it doesn’t appear he “raped” anyone. He was trading sex for legal services when he was in private practice as a defense attorney.

    Accordingly what he pled guilty to was:
    ” witness intimidation, promoting prostitution and obstruction of justice”

    And the “witness intimidation and obstruction of justice” is because he told some of the women not to rat on him to the grand jury.

    Sleazy? absolutely. Criminal? not from what’s been released so far (except for the “obstruction of justice” but come on…)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9554767/Pennsylvania-DA-44-pleads-guilty-raping-five-women-office-putting-noise-cancelling-machine-on.html

    I like the dailymail because it’ll print stuff that the US MSM buries, but one also has to keep in mind that it’s a tabloid and goes for shock value over nuance.

  143. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    was not so much that he wanted to throw Jews down the well, but that he was somewhat sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians,

    IOW, he wants to throw Israeli Jews down the well. That's so much better.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    If you didn’t want to get thrown down the well, you shouldn’t have poisoned it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anon

    They didn't poison anything, except in your imagination.

  144. @Ed Case
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Turnout at Byelections is usually lower than at the preceding General Election.
    It's rare for the Party in Government to win a Seat off the Opposition at a By Election, let alone one that's been held since 1964.
    Only happened 18 times since 1912, in a Parliament of 650.

    Incumbent Government gains seats
    These records show the rare occasions when the Government won a seat they had not won at the previous General election.

    Party By-election Losing party
    Conservative 2021 Hartlepool by-election Labour
    2017 Copeland by-election
    1982 Mitcham and Morden by-election
    1961 Bristol South-East by-election1
    1960 Brighouse and Spenborough by-election
    1953 Sunderland South by-election
    1926 Combined English Universities by-election Liberal
    1923 Berwick-upon-Tweed by-election3 National Liberal
    1922 Hackney South by-election Independent
    1921 Woolwich East by-election Labour
    1920 Stockport by-election2 Coalition Labour
    Laboura 1929 Liverpool Scotland by-election4 Irish Nationalist
    1929 Preston by-election5 Liberal
    1924 Liverpool West Toxteth by-election Conservative
    Liberal 1913 Chesterfield by-election Labour
    1913 Londonderry City by-election Irish Unionist
    1912 Hanley by-election Labour
    1912 Hackney South by-election Independent

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    It’s rare for the Party in Government to win a Seat off the Opposition at a By Election…

    It used to be a lot less uncommon, but it’s only happened six times in the previous century.

  145. @Anon
    @rebel yell

    Wtf?

    It's the exact opposite, you tard. White women are the race of women most likely to support Trump and the rest of your faggoty shit.

    And note that support for Democrats, etc, does not translate to malice towards white men. White men are the most desired men on the planet, and some of the most Leftist women (i.e. Asian women) actually prefer them over their own men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    White men are the most desired men on the planet, and some of the most Leftist women (i.e. Asian women) actually prefer them over their own men.

    No, they prefer that one white man who’s bringing home the bacon raw boar’s head. The rest of us can go stuff our won-tons.

  146. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    So the H is silent, not the T. As I said, not easy to guess.

    I was taught it was "Harley-pool", but obviously not by a native. And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with "Humphrey"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    Whether the H is silent depends a bit on where you are from. In Yorkshire we drop our aitches. Hartlepool is not in Yorkshire, but it lies on the opposite bank of the River Tees from Middlesborough which is in North Yorkshire.

    The name would be best known to many Brits from the BBC reading of the classified football results, where the local team used to be known Hartlepools United.

    The BBC pronounced it Heart-Lee-Pools.

    People from Hartlepool are known as Hartlepudlians in the same way that people from Liverpool are known as Liverpudlians. People from Blackpool are sometimes called Blackpudlians.

    People from Hartlepool are also known as “Monkey Hangers” based on a (probably) apocryphal story that some Hartlepudlians in the early nineteenth century hanged a shipwrecked monkey that was wearing a French army uniform because they thought it was a Frenchman and because it refused to answer questions in English. (Don’t worry, it had a proper trial.)

    Local rugby clubs in Hartlepool use an emblem of a hanging monkey, so they are quite proud of this story that emphasizes their patriotism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    Derbyshire informs us that Andy Capp is a Hartlepudlian. I always thought he was a Geordie. Or is that close enough?

    In Brazil, they have aparticularly nasty way of catching monkeys. They put a coconut-like trap on a tree, which has a hole with a treat inside. The monkey can slip his hand inside and grab the treat, but he cannot remove it without releasing the treat, which he refuses to do. Villagers then come along and club him to death.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @MEH 0910, @Jonathan Mason

  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    So the H is silent, not the T. As I said, not easy to guess.

    I was taught it was "Harley-pool", but obviously not by a native. And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with "Humphrey"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    And does Pontefract no longer rhyme with “Humphrey”?

    I think that is probably obsolete.

    Pontefract is in Yorkshire, not far from Leeds and as far as I know is pronounced Pon-tee-fract. At least based on BBC broadcasts of horse-racing results from Pontefract race course.

    Pontefract is famous for Pontefract (Pomphret) cakes and as the location where King Richard II was murdered at Pontefract Castle while enjoying some Yorkshire hospitality.

    The name Pomfret is associated with the name of the castle and with the cakes rather than the town based on a line from Shakespeare’s play Richard II.

    Pomfret, Pomfret! O thou bloody prison,
    Fatal and ominous to noble peers!
    Within the guilty closure of thy walls
    Richard the Second here was hack’d to death;

    The name Pontefract is, of course from Latin, and means, as you would expect, “bridge broken.” In recent years there has been very serious damage done by water in the floodplains of these two rivers which drain water from the Pennine hills and moors.

    Pontefract is located not far from the confluence of the Rivers Calder and Aire, and is located on the A1 highway, which used to be known as the Great North Road before the days of freeways (motorways) and was the principal road from London to Edinburgh and followed the route of Roman roads in some stretches.

    This is the road that highwayman Dick Turpin is supposed to have used for his amazing (but highly unlikely) 15-hour ride from London to York on his horse Black Bess.

  148. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Disagree. It wasn't his own progeny but had already been born, and grew hands and ears and feet, and was part of the package. Point is the association has nothing to do with the accusation.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Lovecraft’s wife had a daughter. A son was also born to her but died in infancy before Lovecraft came on the scene.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    So the gender's wrong, that doesn't even count nowadays.

  149. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Your rhetorical questions are sub-witty as always, but British Jews have tended to lean right, relatively, in comparison to their American version. This goes back to Cromwell times and they have far less emotional investment in tearing down jolly olde Blighty. There is no U.K. Philip Roth. Not a grand conspiracy to it, mate, just 2 different countries

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jack D, @Ben tillman

    Sub-witty? I am blushing at your compliments. Sir, you flatter me. You are too kind!

  150. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    New Van Morrison album:

    Latest Record Project Volume 1 playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN03oZEvHLX2Q6FUpiwoLNtNkuEnt_mFs

    Replies: @Anon, @MEH 0910

    New Van Morrison album:

    That first song was really funny. It sounds like Van is getting testy about what the music industry has become.

    Now if only Georgie Fame will release a new record.

  151. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    He knew Andrew Sullivan at school,

     

    Not only in the Biblical sense, one assumes.
     
    In the case of Raw Muscle Glutes, that sense is far from Biblical. Ask the folks at Westboro.

    Replies: @anon

    In the case of Raw Muscle Glutes, that sense is far from Biblical.

    Go discuss this with Lot. The original, not the local imitation.

    Ask the folks at Westboro.

    Who?

  152. @Kent Nationalist
    @Wilkey

    The Tories are also planning to make it easier for Indians to move to Britain.

    Replies: @rec1man

    The deal was India will take back all the Indian illegal immigrants, about 300k, ( mostly low class laborers ) in exchange for 3000 work visas for technical jobs

  153. @Sean
    @Jack D

    Corbyn came incredibly close to winning against Theresa May, even though he was personally in favour of unilaterally abandoning Britain's. only remaining nuclear weapons (Trident subs ICBMs). His fatal error, what started the slide before the general election against May, was when he refused to denounce Putin for the Salisbury poisonings in which a English woman died.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    FYI, Peter Hitchens has oftentimes pointed out the ridiculousness of Britain’s Trident subs ICBMs.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Dan Hayes

    In all probability they would never be used even if Britain was about to be defeated conventionally. Without Trident, Britain would need to spend a lot of extra money on conventional weapons, so the true rationale is economic rather than military. Unless, someone is thinking we could never go to war again against a peer power that might invade Britain.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/uk-hits-back-at-french-threat-to-cut-jerseys-electricity-supply

    Jersey
    UK sends navy vessels to Jersey amid post-Brexit fishing row with France
    Boris Johnson dispatches two patrol vessels to protect island from feared blockade
     
  154. @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whether the H is silent depends a bit on where you are from. In Yorkshire we drop our aitches. Hartlepool is not in Yorkshire, but it lies on the opposite bank of the River Tees from Middlesborough which is in North Yorkshire.

    The name would be best known to many Brits from the BBC reading of the classified football results, where the local team used to be known Hartlepools United.

    The BBC pronounced it Heart-Lee-Pools.

    People from Hartlepool are known as Hartlepudlians in the same way that people from Liverpool are known as Liverpudlians. People from Blackpool are sometimes called Blackpudlians.

    People from Hartlepool are also known as "Monkey Hangers" based on a (probably) apocryphal story that some Hartlepudlians in the early nineteenth century hanged a shipwrecked monkey that was wearing a French army uniform because they thought it was a Frenchman and because it refused to answer questions in English. (Don't worry, it had a proper trial.)

    Local rugby clubs in Hartlepool use an emblem of a hanging monkey, so they are quite proud of this story that emphasizes their patriotism.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/09/19/TELEMMGLPICT000000318606_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqJ6RiS5Rjb_N6p5OO4zvskpl7xknC3QqeivHMGcpqvm0.jpeg?imwidth=1400

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Derbyshire informs us that Andy Capp is a Hartlepudlian. I always thought he was a Geordie. Or is that close enough?

    In Brazil, they have aparticularly nasty way of catching monkeys. They put a coconut-like trap on a tree, which has a hole with a treat inside. The monkey can slip his hand inside and grab the treat, but he cannot remove it without releasing the treat, which he refuses to do. Villagers then come along and club him to death.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hartlepool is the wrong side of County Durham to be a Geordie.

    , @MEH 0910
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/in-the-u-s-and-u-k-dont-vote-for-institutional-conservatism/

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1390823231024680966

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    A Geordie is a person from Tyneside, and Hartlepool is on the River Tees estuary not the Tyne, about 30 miles further south.

    However the word Geordie can be used a more general sense to describe somebody from the northeast of England, and, yes, Hartlepool is in the northeast of England and by US standards everything is very close together.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  155. @Abe
    @Jack D


    I don’t understand – why would Jews campaign against a fellow Bolshevik?
     
    British Jews are the canary in the time shaft. OT (though not really, as you’ll see...) Philip Roth’s authorized biographer was just MeToo’d & cancelled upon discovery of having mack’d too much on his former female students- predictable bogus charges of “rape”, seemingly true charges of “grooming” as the 20-ish chickie-poo’s he Britney Spear’d over the years were former students at the private middle school he’d taught at. YEACH!, but like “Russian collusion” not even remotely a crime and if we were to condemn every man who was ever romantically interested in a girl young enough to be his daughter or even one of his daughters’ childhood friends... WWI-era British PM H.H. Asquith was infatuated with his daughter’s friend Venetia Stanley and probably led a bayonet charge beneath her sheets. And about the same time Hollyweird gave Roman Polanski his Oscar there was an award-bait movie out called HISTORY BOYS celebrating mid-century British public school boy botherers.

    Anyway, Venetia Stanley married into the the established and respectable Anglo-Jewish Montagu family as British Jewry is about one century time-shifted over American Jewry. I distinctly remember Roth complaining about the social anti-Semitism he experienced in Britain while married to second wife/Shakespearean actress Claire Bloom, herself a product of this Anglo-Jewish milieu and very likely a participant or at least quietist when it came to some of the snubs Roth experienced. Reading reviews of the now Wintston Smith’d/effectively-samizdat’d biography in order to recover some of it, I learned that despite being born lower middle class Roth is very urbane and charming in person (irregardless of being a real-life professor of desire in his after hours- his friend the former-U Penn.[?] English Dept. Chair was procuring tasty barely legal coeds for him well into Roth’s 60’s) so it’s not like Roth is some sweaty, gauche, loud-mouthed arriviste. But by the ultra-refined standards of respectable Anglo-Jewry, he may as well have been Howard Stern.

    Other fascinating thing I learned thanks to my recent WWI reading jag is that Roth’s whole body of work is wearily unoriginal & played-out, at least by Anglo-Jewish standards. In the 1870’s (yes, almost 100 years before PORTNOY’S COMPLAINT!) middle-class Anglo-Jewish writers were putting out novels with near identical unflattering depictions of their economically comfortable yet philistine co-ethnics- cf. Julia Frankau and her DR PHILLIPS novel, or Amy Levy and REUBEN SACHS. Also near identical cries of anguish from the writers’ communities, questions of whether they’d write the same sort of book if future-Hitler were now born, etc.

    So anyway, as a result of being 100 years future-shifted, Anglo-Jews are ultra-assimilated, ultra-bourgeois, and also stuck check-to-jowl on a small island with an order of magnitude more Muslims, another consequence of their future-shift.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Reg Cæsar

    (irregardless of…)

    Irregardless isn’t a word, but it would make one hell of a band name.

    ‘”The Irregardless Die for Danzig!”, available in record shops now!’

  156. JMcG says:
    @dearieme
    @epebble

    A fine breakfast dish, kedgeree, if you don't feel like a kipper or bacon & eggs. I amn't fond of devilled kidneys, mind, traditional or not.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I had it just this morning. And thank you for putting that fine contraction,”amn’t” into writing. I was shocked to discover that it isn’t accepted usage here in the states back around my seventeenth year. I’m going to start using it again now that I’m getting old enough to be a curmudgeon.

  157. @IHTG

    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded
     
    Yes surely that's the only reason a radical left hijacking of a major political party would flame out.

    Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Corbyn gained the greatest ever swing to Labour in 2017, but just failed, thanks to Blairite treachery in the Party hierarchy. The Blairites, like their Boss, are absolute Sabbat Goy stooges. Corbyn was subjected to an unparalleled campaign of lies and vilification by the entire fakestream media sewer, the Jewish elite and the Atlanticist neo and paleo-fascists. England now sinks slowly into the shit, or gets vitrified if they do go the full monty and attack Russia or China. Nemesis.

  158. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker
    @Jonathan Mason


    In addition to that, Labour has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.
     
    Scotland as a Labour stronghold is actually a relatively recent phenomenon*. Scotland was actually a Tory stronghold within living memory. In the 1950s the Conservatives could still win over 50% of Scottish votes, not just seats but the actual popular votes. Scottish Tory decline began from there, its really only in the 1970s that we see Labour becoming dominant in Scotland. By the 1990s the SNP were becoming important. It's actually Wales that's rock-solid Labour whereas Scotland was only that temporarily.

    * Apparently, in the 19th century, with the move away from wood to iron/steel ships, English shipbuilders hit upon the Clyde as a good location to relocate their operations to because Scottish workers were seen as more conservative than troublesome, radical English workers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not true:

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish – all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Engineer Scottie on Star Trek put on a Scots accent due to the old tradition of Scots being the best engineers of steamships: a felicitous idea.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    Carronades were all the rage in 1780, a Scots development. Scots are pretty creative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade


    A carronade is a short, smoothbore, cast-iron cannon which was used by the Royal Navy. It was first produced by the Carron Company, an ironworks in Falkirk, Scotland, and was used from the 1770s to the 1850s. Its main function was to serve as a powerful, short-range, anti-ship and anti-crew weapon.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_inventions
    , @Lurker
    @Anonymous

    Indeed what I claimed may not be true.


    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.
     
    Agreed. And yet that's an odd thing for you to post because my comment made no mention of the talents of Scottish engineers or denied them.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish – all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.
     
    And again - you're refuting a claim I never made.

    This is all some sort of straw man exercise, attacking a comment of mine by refuting claims I never made or even implied.

    My point was that some English shipbuilders moved their operations to Scotland, allegedly because they saw the Scottish workforce as less radicalised than the English. You don't appear to have refuted or expanded upon that at all.
  159. @Irishman
    Corbyn did well (but still lost remember) in 2017 because the Tories thought they couldn't lose so they ran on a dry as dust economic program which alienated places like Hartlepool, and a hard Brexit which alienated people who voted remain. So people voted Labour thinking also the election was a sure thing for the Tories. In 2019 the Tories moved left on the economy and won.

    If the congressional republicans had allowed Trump to do the same thing he would have won too. Such a pity.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Not Raul

    I doubt that Starmer will get as close to knocking out BoJo in the next Parliamentary election as Corbyn got to knocking out May.

    Corbyn lost in 2019, because of Brexit. Starmer would have done worse. Starmer is less popular than Corbyn in blue collar areas outside of London. The local elections illustrate it.

    The defamation campaign against Corbyn has done long term damage to the Labour Party.

  160. @Irishman
    Corbyn did well (but still lost remember) in 2017 because the Tories thought they couldn't lose so they ran on a dry as dust economic program which alienated places like Hartlepool, and a hard Brexit which alienated people who voted remain. So people voted Labour thinking also the election was a sure thing for the Tories. In 2019 the Tories moved left on the economy and won.

    If the congressional republicans had allowed Trump to do the same thing he would have won too. Such a pity.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Not Raul

    I doubt that Starmer will get as close to knocking out BoJo in the next Parliamentary election as Corbyn got to knocking out May.

    Corbyn lost in 2019, because of Brexit. Starmer would have done worse. Starmer is less popular than Corbyn in blue collar areas outside of London. The local elections illustrate it.

    The defamation campaign against Corbyn has done long term damage to the Labour Party.

  161. Random thoughts of a Yorkshireman on the North East/Hartlepool:

    Hartlepool was arguably founded by the double-barrelled Ralph Ward Jackson, “a rogueish Victorian entrepreneur. He was passionate, perhaps to a fault: in 1861 he was fined for assaulting the vicar of Greatham after an argument over public rights of way. He constructed a harbour and railway, and by the end his company’s interests included collieries and shipping”. See this interesting angle from a descendant: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-hartlepool-im-aiming-for-a-noble-defeat

    Labour ran with anti-Brexit reject of a nearby constituency – suicidal when Hartlepool voted 70% for Brexit.

    As a Yorkshireman and a Conservative (old school) I’m conflicted by Tory by-election wins in places previously beyond the right-thinking pale. On the one hand (sort of reversing JM Barrie’s ditty about angels : “Everytime a child says ‘I don’t believe in fairies’ there is a a little fairy somewhere that falls down dead”) every time Socialists lose a seat a heart soars. On the other, there’s a price for invading such inherently foreign territory – more bread and circuses and infrastructure and outright bribes to maintain un-natural loyalty and, worst of all, even more dilution of Tory policy towards the gruel of socialism-lite in the middle.

  162. @Jonathan Mason
    The Labour party is fragmented along the double axes of Brexit vs Remain, and Woke vs Unwoke.

    A lot of lifelong Labour voters have switched to Tory over both issues. The Lib-Dem vote has collapsed and it's erstwhile leader now works for Facebook.

    Clearly the Lib-Dem vote has not moved to Labour.

    Keir Starmer is no charmer, those not have the flair of Blair, lacks personal televisual charisma, and does not seem to have succeeded in producing any simple "four legs good, two legs bad" slogans for the sheep.

    In addition to that, Labor has lost its traditional stronghold in Scotland to this Scottish nationalists.

    If Keir Starmer was a bit more like Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, perhaps he could revive his party. Maybe he could appear in a kilt with no underwear on a windy day and get the voters' attention.

    Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable, whereas Starmer, as a lawyer, comes over as legalistic and dry.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Lurker, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Johnson, as a journalist, author, and wordsmith himself, has a certain ready wit and way with words, which, while often facile, makes whatever he says instantly catchy and repeatable”

    Boris at Christmas time, announcing a 3-day suspension of some parts of lockdown to enable family visits:

    “‘Tis the season to be jolly … careful!”

    My wife, no Tory, was watching the news and burst out laughing.

    Only a week or two back the Guardian and BBC were salivating over reports that he had said “Let the bodies pile high, rather than more lockdowns“, which sounds just the sort of thing he would say.

    Steve should take note of this:

    https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

    Boris had the look of a man who had been dragged out of a well by his ankles. His blond hair seemed to spring vertically from his head as he embarked on some opening remarks, where the occasional word, not always the obvious one, was shouted at double-volume.

    “ ― errrrr, Welcome to THE International. Errrrr ― ”

    The catastrophe had happened. He did not know, could not remember, what event he was at. This is one of the biggest fears any speaker has, forgetting where they are.

    Johnson then did a crazy thing. To find out where he was, he very obviously turned around and looked at the large logo projected at the back of the stage.

    “ ― to the International SECURITISATION Awards! YES!” he cried triumphantly, and to my amazement it brought the house down. There was a huge cheer. Everyone realised this was not going to be a normal speech. The chaos had descended on us, we were in it, and we were going to enjoy it.

    “SHEEP,” he began. He started a story about his uncle’s farm and how OUTRAGEOUS it was that they couldn’t bury animals that had JUST died, as they used to do back in the sixties, seventies and eighties. No, he said, EU regulations meant an abattoir had to be involved. “One died today. A SHEEP. And my uncle had to RING a fellow at an abattoir fifty MILES away. His name was Mick ― no, it was Jim ― no, sorry, MARGARET, that was it, MARGARET … ”

    People were now, not just roaring with laughter, but listening. He continued.

    “Which is why my political hero is the Mayor from JAWS.”

    Laughter.

    “Yes. Because he KEPT THE BEACHES OPEN.”

    More guffawing around me. He spoke as if every sentence had only just occurred to him, and each new thought came as a surprise.

    “Yes, he REPUDIATED, he FORESWORE and he ABROGATED all these silly regulations on health and safety and declared that the people should SWIM! SWIM!”

    More uproar.

    “Now, I accept,” he went on in an uncertain tone, “that as a result some small children were eaten by a shark. But how much more pleasure did the MAJORITY get from those beaches as a result of the boldness of the Mayor in Jaws?”

    Brilliant. The whole room is hooting and cheering. It no longer matters that Boris has no script, no plan, no idea of what event he is attending, and that he seems to be taking the whole thing off the top of his head.

    I realise that I am in the presence of genius.

    The punchline is that he then sees Boris at another awards ceremony, where he again arrives unprepared, then delivers almost exactly the same speech, complete with letting the audience know that he’s got no idea where he is.

  163. The Tory success in the English elections is due to the vaccine roll-out which has been very well-run, nobody has even heard about the fuss over the redecoration of Downing Street. Labour runs the devolved government in Wales and have been doing very well there in these regional elections as their handling of the pandemic response has also been highly praised. This is after the Tories made big gains in Wales in the 2019 general election and were predicted to run strongly there this time out. There will likely be a Labour rebound in the next general election. It will be difficult for the leader they have then to be as widely disliked as Jeremy Corbyn who was a big turn-off to working class voters.

  164. @Sean

    Corbyn put in a solid performance in 2017 in nearly upsetting Theresa May, but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.
     
    Long known as pro IRA, Corbyn was like the old Left never keen on the EU, and he was blamed for Brexit by the Labour establishment who thought he had been lukewarm in the Referendum campaign. The current Labour leader Starmer actually complained about Boris putting up business taxes the other month.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/04/david-cameron-and-gr

    Resembling Old Labour more than it does anything else, the actual centre ground in Britain combines “left-wing” economics with “right-wing” cultural values. Starmer’s problem is that he is unable to adopt either of these positions, let alone both. One of the lessons he takes from the Jeremy Corbyn debacle is that Labour must stand for economic orthodoxy. But it was Corbyn’s evident dislike for this country and his inveterate fondness for its enemies that produced the electoral disaster of 2019. His economic policies were, on the whole, popular among working-class Labour voters, and remain so today.[...] Unlike Starmer and the Conservatives’ neo-Thatcherite rump, Johnson has grasped this fact. His government has stumbled into applying something not unlike the Modern Monetary Theory touted by some of Corbyn’s supporters, according to which public borrowing can be financed simply by creating the money that is needed to pay for it. [...] .The forthcoming Hartlepool by-election provides an interesting case study. Selecting as the Labour candidate an identikit Remainer, Paul Williams, and sending in others like Anneliese Dodds to campaign for him, Starmer was putting two fingers up to an electorate, nearly 70 per cent of which supported Brexit. By-elections are notoriously tricky to call, but it will not be surprising if the gesture is reciprocated in the polling booths and Labour loses the seat.

    The attitude of much of Labour’s membership towards the party’s traditional working-class supporters has something in common with that of colonial rulers to their subject peoples. Working men and women are valued not for what they are in themselves, but for what, given a proper education, they may someday become. But educating recalcitrant populations can be a thankless task, and it is not hard to detect a growing impatience with the unschooled masses. Merging with the Liberal Democrats, and perhaps the Greens, in a so-called progressive coalition would relieve Labour centrists of the need to feign solidarity with communities whose values they despise.
     

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Corbyn actually boosted the Labour vote in Hartlepool in 2017 and it was still held even in 2019. This is a Starmer disaster,
    Corbyn becoming Labour leader at all was a reaction against “New Labour” and also policies of austerity pursued both by it and by Conservative governments.

  165. @Jonathan Mason
    Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption.

    I do not know if there is any public information about whether he is circumcised or not.

    He is actually a very intelligent, decent, and capable man, but maybe a bit lacking in political street smarts compared to his nemesis Johnson.

    https://youtu.be/HSviYPKNsos

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Wielgus, @dfordoom

    His facial expression reminds me of a deer caught in headlights.
    During recent campaigning he was forced to leave a pub by a proprietor incensed about lockdowns, which Starmer supports.
    As Director of Public Prosecutions he quashed attempts to bring police to trial for killing a Brazilian they had mistaken for a terrorist, and also quashed attempts to investigate Jimmy Savile. Starmer is an establishment shill. I have my doubts about “decent”.

  166. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Lovecraft's wife had a daughter. A son was also born to her but died in infancy before Lovecraft came on the scene.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    So the gender’s wrong, that doesn’t even count nowadays.

  167. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks.

    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway. Israel’s primary antagonists are Al Fatah, Hamas, the Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran. Israel had passable relations with Iran up until 1979, when the Khomeini regime declared Israel an enemy for ideological reasons. Syria has never been willing to negotiate anything more elaborate than a cease fire with any other party. Hezbollah is a cat’s paw of Iran. Hamas makes it quite clear that the destruction of Israel is the sine qua non of any settlement. Al Fatah has a long history of double-dealing and criminal activity as well as repeatedly sabotaging and rejecting settlements on the table. What’s Corbyn’s argument here? That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons? What does it matter if you call that attitude ‘anti-semitic’ or not?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway.
     
    Can you please translate this into plain English? Do you mean per capita GNP? If so, the former is ~13K and latter is ~70K, so it's a meaningless metric. A lot of countries must fall into that category. Wouldn't it be clearer to say that Israel's GNP is roughly equal to that of Italy?

    That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons?
     

    Corbyn was utterly unsuitable to be PM but here you equate Israel with "the Jews." First of all, there's no such thing as "the Jews". There are Jews, period. They agree on very little. And Israel doesn't speak for most of them.

    About that "all the trouble in the world" again, Corbyn was unsuitable for leadership, but there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel's settlement policies. It's not anti-Semitic to point that out. Unless half the Jews I know are anti-Semites.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Dissident

  168. @Torn and Frayed
    @AnotherDad

    After millennia of perceived and actual abuse, Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe. For whatever reason, collectively in Israel, Jews seem to have cured themselves of the worst aspects of their collective personality disorder. It's as if having their own ethno-state has acted as a beneficent form of therapy.

    The real question concerning the destruction of America is why did the WASPs let it happen? If we stick to the psychology theme, WASPs as a group suffer from a severe case of ethno-codependence. Like when a wealthy man marries a hot young damaged narcissistic chick, she soon utterly destroys him through smear campaigns, gaslighting, word salads, and other forms of abuse. The question always is: why did he stay with her. In the US case, the WASPs were sitting on top of the most powerful and wealthy nation ever. Once Jewish power started asserting itself in clearly malevolent ways, the WASPs didn't only not try to confront them them, worse, the WASPs have and still actively do ENABLE this destructive Jewish action. In the end, unfortunately for us, the Chinese, writ large, are the only group standing who have the balls, collective spirit, and organization required to confront Jewish power.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ben tillman

    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.

    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Art Deco

    Torn and Frayed wrote:


    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.
     
    First, is intermarriage a behavior consistent with "severe ethno-narcissism"? Perhaps Torn and Frayed is unaware of how high the intermarriage and assimilation rates among non-Orthodox Jews are? (Who still make-up the majority of Jews but won't for that much longer, if present demographic trends continue.)

    Art Deco replied:


    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.
     
    Yes and no.

    I
    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here? I would contend that much, or even most of the behavior of said entities actually increases animosity and hostility toward Jews everywhere. Would you concede the same concerning at least some of at least the first two (ADL and HIAS)?

    II
    There is a strong, general inverse correlation in Jews between religious Orthodoxy and Left-wing/Liberal/Progressive (and certainly Woke) views.[1] Even a number of individuals who are not known for being especially partial or favorably inclined toward Jews, such as iSteve regular AnotherDad, have acknowledged that from their perspective, that whatever problems and threats that whites may face from traditionalist Orthodox Jews, it is negligible compared to those created and posed by their secular, Leftist activist "brethren".[2]

    III
    Theologically, from the Orthodox Judaic perspective, the farther a Jew strays from (authentic) Judaism, the more destructive and dangerous he becomes-- not only to his fellow Jews but to the world at large. And, conversely, for being kind and accommodating to the Jew, specifically and especially in a manner that supports and facilitates his fulfilling his unique religious obligations as a Jew, the nations of the world will be blessed and rewarded-- in this world and beyond.

    NOTES/QUALIFICATIONS/ADDITIONS
    [1] This is the rule. It is also true that some of the most ardently pro-white Jews barely even identify as Jews. And for just about any position imaginable, one can find, if one looks hard enough, a Jew taking it who calls himself Orthodox. But by and large, the more religiously Orthodox a Jew is, the less likely he is to culpable or complicit in the promotion of causes such as pro-immigration; hostility toward whites and sacralization of non-whites; feminism; pro-abortion; "LGBTQ"; etc. And the more likely, at least in the case of the latter three and similar, to vehemently and even actively oppose them.

    Zionism, for those who consider it categorically antithetical to white or non-Jewish interests, per se, presents somewhat of an exception here. But nowhere as complete or simple of one as is commonly thought. Although the number of Orthodox Jews who are actively, vocally, unequivocally anti-Zionist may be relatively small, the number who are at least de jure anti-Zionist, let alone that combined with those who are are merely non-Zionist, is anything but small. In fact, the combined numbers of those latter two subsets of Orthodox Jews easily add-up to a solid majority.

    [2] Apropos my qualification, by means of quotation marks, of brethren and the utterly predictable, trite but inevitable mention that has been made in other comments of Jewish Bolsheviks, it might be noted (yet again) that said radicals were rabid apostates who were no less vicious to their fellow Jews who were religious than to any non-Jews. Similarly, those who cite heavy Jewish involvement in such areas as "LGBTQ" activism or the pornography industry, rarely acknowledge that such behavior/ causes are no less an egregious violation of traditional Judaic principles and sensibilities than they are of Christian ones or any others.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  169. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    Derbyshire informs us that Andy Capp is a Hartlepudlian. I always thought he was a Geordie. Or is that close enough?

    In Brazil, they have aparticularly nasty way of catching monkeys. They put a coconut-like trap on a tree, which has a hole with a treat inside. The monkey can slip his hand inside and grab the treat, but he cannot remove it without releasing the treat, which he refuses to do. Villagers then come along and club him to death.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @MEH 0910, @Jonathan Mason

    Hartlepool is the wrong side of County Durham to be a Geordie.

  170. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    Derbyshire informs us that Andy Capp is a Hartlepudlian. I always thought he was a Geordie. Or is that close enough?

    In Brazil, they have aparticularly nasty way of catching monkeys. They put a coconut-like trap on a tree, which has a hole with a treat inside. The monkey can slip his hand inside and grab the treat, but he cannot remove it without releasing the treat, which he refuses to do. Villagers then come along and club him to death.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @MEH 0910, @Jonathan Mason

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/in-the-u-s-and-u-k-dont-vote-for-institutional-conservatism/

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1390866028473749509

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  171. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    — Anglo-Protestants are about the most Jew friendly people on the planet
     
    Anglo-Protestants were fairly hostile to Jews until the 1940s. Germans were among the most Jew friendly people on the planet until the 1920s. Before that Polish aristocrats used to be very friendly to Jews once upon a time. Jews aren't idiots, history shows that eventually they wear out their welcome with native elites. The US strategy of just replacing the elites before that can happen makes sense.

    Replies: @fnn, @epebble, @anonymous

    Wasn’t Harvard 25% Jewish by the 1930’s?

    And aren’t the current Jewish admins a the Ivy League enforcing a hard Asian quota of 15-17%?

    Seems like they’re being 40% more “fairly hostile.”

  172. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    You’d need a time machine for that, and go back a century to a homogeneous Britain. These days the only meaningful divide is between indigenous Britons and everyone else looking to benefit at their expense – globalist capitalists, foreign invaders, etc. The problem is finding a party that will even make a half-hearted attempt to work in the interests of the British people.

  173. Sean says:
    @Dan Hayes
    @Sean

    FYI, Peter Hitchens has oftentimes pointed out the ridiculousness of Britain's Trident subs ICBMs.

    Replies: @Sean

    In all probability they would never be used even if Britain was about to be defeated conventionally. Without Trident, Britain would need to spend a lot of extra money on conventional weapons, so the true rationale is economic rather than military. Unless, someone is thinking we could never go to war again against a peer power that might invade Britain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/uk-hits-back-at-french-threat-to-cut-jerseys-electricity-supply

    Jersey
    UK sends navy vessels to Jersey amid post-Brexit fishing row with France
    Boris Johnson dispatches two patrol vessels to protect island from feared blockade

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  174. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Guardian comments this morning are doubling down on the "white working class people are thick racists" theme after Hartlepool.

    Top comments

    "What kind of moron walks to the ballot box thinking they want to vote Tory after the past 12 months?"

    "What a shocker throwing the vast majority of your pro European union supporters under the bus in search of the mythical traditional Labour voter who hasn't voted Labour since the 1960's didn't work so well. Who would have thought!"

    "The loss of Hartlepool to the Conservatives is a dreadful indictment of the state of our shoddy nation. The pull of populism is frightening, with echoes of events in early 1930s Germany. This government and those who continue to vote for it should be ashamed."


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

    This is an age/education thing. Those of us who grew up and were educated pre-1990s tended to see people like miners and steelworkers as good guys, salt of the earth working folk.

    There are no miners and precious few steelworkers now, and people brought up on UK history as the long story of white racism are just following what they've been taught in school or at college. That Hartlepool voted 70% for Brexit just increases the hatred.

    When I hear the educated middle-class folk I move and live among (I didn't use to live among them, my rural village has been taken over over by the area manager or even director class) talk about Brexit voters or Trump voters, I feel like I've been transported back to 1890 and they're talking about the Labour Party of 1890. It's a class thing. And while they are all "anti-racist", there's a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Forbes, @dfordoom

    That open contempt for the unwashed masses is probably what led to this type of person being dubbed a ‘gentry liberal’. You could slot them into a Victorian novel as the local baronet sniffing at the Chartist menace among his labourers without any change.

  175. @Bill B.

    The Labour party leadership cannot face the fact that it can’t play to both camps in the culture war. But what makes this so agonising is that it’s not just a matter of choosing which constituency it must now decide to represent — working class or upper middle-class — which is difficult enough. The choice is between the people who it tells itself it has been put on earth to represent — the working-class — and the belief system which defines leading Labourites’ entire political and moral personality.

    For if they choose the agenda of social conservatism that characterises the working-class, they will go against everything that those who run not just the Labour party but the entire culture — the universities, the media, the arts, the NGOs, the professions — believe define themselves as good and virtuous and progressive people. It means acknowledging that those whom they damn as“right-wing” and racist and bigoted are actually decent, grounded and admirable.

    It means admitting that everything they themselves thought they stood for as worthy and just and true is actually the opposite. It means admitting they are wrong — and for acolytes of liberal universalist ideology, which they assume to be virtue incarnate, any such admission threatens to destroy their entire political and moral identity.
     
    https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-real-question-labour-cant-answer-48d

    Replies: @photondancer

    It doesn’t just mean admitting they’re wrong, it means admitting they’re bad. That they’re venal, callous, lying snobs who want to restore the aristocracy as a real power, only this time with themselves as the ones on top. They’re even less likely to do this than the original lot.

  176. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Guardian comments this morning are doubling down on the "white working class people are thick racists" theme after Hartlepool.

    Top comments

    "What kind of moron walks to the ballot box thinking they want to vote Tory after the past 12 months?"

    "What a shocker throwing the vast majority of your pro European union supporters under the bus in search of the mythical traditional Labour voter who hasn't voted Labour since the 1960's didn't work so well. Who would have thought!"

    "The loss of Hartlepool to the Conservatives is a dreadful indictment of the state of our shoddy nation. The pull of populism is frightening, with echoes of events in early 1930s Germany. This government and those who continue to vote for it should be ashamed."


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

    This is an age/education thing. Those of us who grew up and were educated pre-1990s tended to see people like miners and steelworkers as good guys, salt of the earth working folk.

    There are no miners and precious few steelworkers now, and people brought up on UK history as the long story of white racism are just following what they've been taught in school or at college. That Hartlepool voted 70% for Brexit just increases the hatred.

    When I hear the educated middle-class folk I move and live among (I didn't use to live among them, my rural village has been taken over over by the area manager or even director class) talk about Brexit voters or Trump voters, I feel like I've been transported back to 1890 and they're talking about the Labour Party of 1890. It's a class thing. And while they are all "anti-racist", there's a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Forbes, @dfordoom

    It’s a class thing. And while they are all “anti-racist”, there’s a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.

    They live in a 100% white locality, so they must mouth “anti-racist” banalities to signal their virtue vanity. Like taking an oath or pledging allegiance signifying group affinity.

  177. @Anon
    OT

    Eric Turkheimer protégé (Kathryn) Paige Harden has a release date (September 21, 2021) and cover for her book:

    The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality

    A provocative and timely case for how the science of genetics can help create a more just and equal society

    In recent years, scientists like Kathryn Paige Harden have shown that DNA makes us different, in our personalities and in our health―and in ways that matter for educational and economic success in our current society.

    In The Genetic Lottery, Harden introduces readers to the latest genetic science, dismantling dangerous ideas about racial superiority and challenging us to grapple with what equality really means in a world where people are born different. Weaving together personal stories with scientific evidence, Harden shows why our refusal to recognize the power of DNA perpetuates the myth of meritocracy, and argues that we must acknowledge the role of genetic luck if we are ever to create a fair society.

    Reclaiming genetic science from the legacy of eugenics, this groundbreaking book offers a bold new vision of society where everyone thrives, regardless of how one fares in the genetic lottery.
     
    The "we must acknowledge our genetic luck" is quite philosophically bufuddling, since "we" do not exist before our genome makes and defines us during meiosis, and without that genome, we would no longer be we. It's like asking what time it was just before the Big Bang. But no matter. Just concentrate on the simple message that we have to give a lot of money to black people. Forever. Hopefully this new way of thinking seques into "they must acknowledge their genetic misfortune (of criminality)."

    https://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Lottery-Matters-Social-Equality/dp/0691190801

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Forbes

    The left continues to stumble over the inherent conflict/contradiction between equality and diversity, i.e. they love, love, love diversity (genetic diversity is the natural state of affairs). Try as they might, they can’t square the circle with equality.

    This results (for the left) in narrowly, and purposefully, redefining diversity and equality, e.g., blacks are diverse, whites are not; equality means equal outcomes.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Forbes

    The left continues to stumble over the inherent conflict/contradiction between equality and diversity,

    Not in the Current Year. Now they are all about teh Equity because mere equality isn't enough and is totally rayciss anyway.

  178. @Redneck farmer
    So turning the nominally working class party into an "upper middle class" party causes working class voters to turn against it. Who'd thunk it?

    Replies: @Forbes

    A mix between the LOL button and the Agree…

  179. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason

    Derbyshire informs us that Andy Capp is a Hartlepudlian. I always thought he was a Geordie. Or is that close enough?

    In Brazil, they have aparticularly nasty way of catching monkeys. They put a coconut-like trap on a tree, which has a hole with a treat inside. The monkey can slip his hand inside and grab the treat, but he cannot remove it without releasing the treat, which he refuses to do. Villagers then come along and club him to death.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @MEH 0910, @Jonathan Mason

    A Geordie is a person from Tyneside, and Hartlepool is on the River Tees estuary not the Tyne, about 30 miles further south.

    However the word Geordie can be used a more general sense to describe somebody from the northeast of England, and, yes, Hartlepool is in the northeast of England and by US standards everything is very close together.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Used to be a Youtube up of an adolescent demonstrating a Geordie accent. One of the comments below was. "That's not Geordie. Durham bitch".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  180. @MEH 0910
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/in-the-u-s-and-u-k-dont-vote-for-institutional-conservatism/

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1390823231024680966

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @MEH 0910

    Great piece on the election here, by a Labour activist

    https://unherd.com/2021/05/labour-isnt-working


    Then, during the Brexit debate itself, the conference rallied enthusiastically behind a motion explicitly putting a second EU referendum on the table. I remember gazing around the hall in despair as speaker after speaker pledged support for the motion, each drawing wild cheers and applause from delegates. That the adoption of this policy was almost certain to result in electoral oblivion seemed lost on virtually everyone present.

    At that moment, I tweeted that the conference was effectively handing a P45 to every Labour MP in the North and Midlands. I knew then that this self-inflicted wound would take years — possibly a generation — to heal. Images from the debate would that evening be beamed into the homes of loyal Labour voters across the party’s pro-Brexit heartlands, and millions among them would perceive the outcome as the ultimate kick in the teeth. Labour had betrayed its already-diminishing traditional working-class base and would pay a heavy price....

    Labour began to be dominated by the latter, transforming itself into a party of the managerial and professional classes, graduates and urban liberals. Not only was the party abandoning those in provincial and post-industrial Britain, it started to privately — and sometimes publicly — scorn them.

    The inevitable result was the steady flow of working-class votes away from Labour. Some were swept up by the likes of Ukip and even the BNP; millions more from that point simply went uncast.

    For a long time, disillusioned working-class voters in the Labour heartlands were reluctant to throw in their lot with the Tories, conscious of the stigma that often came with voting for the traditional enemy. It was only in 2019 that these voters, still brimming with anger over attempts to reverse the referendum result, decided in huge numbers to back a Conservative Party that had pledged to “Get Brexit Done”. The taboo had been broken. Having voted Tory once, these voters would — as we have seen — have no hesitation in doing the same again.
     

    This all fits perfectly with the university-educated "socialists" in the Guardiian comments calling the voters of Hartlepool a load of thick racist gammons. I wish I could find the Guardian piece written a few days after the Brexit vote by one of their few writers who actually listened to working people. He said that the message of both main parties to working class voters was "Vote Remain or your lives will be shit", to which the voters of places like Stoke and Hartlepool replied "Our lives are shit already!".

    https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1044558415257890816

    Replies: @Anonymous

  181. @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    A Geordie is a person from Tyneside, and Hartlepool is on the River Tees estuary not the Tyne, about 30 miles further south.

    However the word Geordie can be used a more general sense to describe somebody from the northeast of England, and, yes, Hartlepool is in the northeast of England and by US standards everything is very close together.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Used to be a Youtube up of an adolescent demonstrating a Geordie accent. One of the comments below was. “That’s not Geordie. Durham bitch”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    Used to be a Youtube up of an adolescent demonstrating a Geordie accent. One of the comments below was. “That’s not Geordie. Durham bitch”.

     

    A Brooklynite shipmate of mine would tease another guy for his Queens accent. Then again, it took only seven or eight months in New England to identify a half dozen accents east of the Connecticut.
  182. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    New Van Morrison album:

    Latest Record Project Volume 1 playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN03oZEvHLX2Q6FUpiwoLNtNkuEnt_mFs

    Replies: @Anon, @MEH 0910


    [MORE]

    Van Morrison – They Own The Media (Official Audio)

    Lyrics:

    They tell us that ignorance is bliss
    I guess for those that control the media it is
    They own the media
    They control the stories we are told
    If you ever try to go against them
    You will be ignored

    Cause they control, they control
    They control the narrative
    They perpetuate the myth
    Keep on telling you lies
    Tell you ignorance is bliss
    Believe it all and you’ll
    Never get wise to the truth
    Cause they control everything you do
    Everything you do
    Everything you do
    Everything you do

    They control the narrative
    They perpetuate the myth
    Keep on selling you lies
    Tell you ignorance is bliss
    Believe it all and you
    Never get the truth
    Never get wise, wise to their lies
    To their lies
    They control the media
    They control the media
    They control the media
    They control the media

  183. @Art Deco
    @dearieme

    that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks.

    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway. Israel's primary antagonists are Al Fatah, Hamas, the Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran. Israel had passable relations with Iran up until 1979, when the Khomeini regime declared Israel an enemy for ideological reasons. Syria has never been willing to negotiate anything more elaborate than a cease fire with any other party. Hezbollah is a cat's paw of Iran. Hamas makes it quite clear that the destruction of Israel is the sine qua non of any settlement. Al Fatah has a long history of double-dealing and criminal activity as well as repeatedly sabotaging and rejecting settlements on the table. What's Corbyn's argument here? That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons? What does it matter if you call that attitude 'anti-semitic' or not?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway.

    Can you please translate this into plain English? Do you mean per capita GNP? If so, the former is ~13K and latter is ~70K, so it’s a meaningless metric. A lot of countries must fall into that category. Wouldn’t it be clearer to say that Israel’s GNP is roughly equal to that of Italy?

    That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons?

    Corbyn was utterly unsuitable to be PM but here you equate Israel with “the Jews.” First of all, there’s no such thing as “the Jews”. There are Jews, period. They agree on very little. And Israel doesn’t speak for most of them.

    About that “all the trouble in the world” again, Corbyn was unsuitable for leadership, but there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel’s settlement policies. It’s not anti-Semitic to point that out. Unless half the Jews I know are anti-Semites.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Paperback Writer

    Jewish settlement in Israel makes some people uncomfortable.

    Jewish settlement in Brooklyn makes some people uncomfortable.

    Jewish settlement on Mars makes some people uncomfortable.

    , @Dissident
    @Paperback Writer


    First of all, there’s no such thing as “the Jews”. There are Jews, period. They agree on very little.
     
    Not even on how to define a Jew or Judaism.

    And Israel doesn’t speak for most of them.
     
    Not only are all Jews not Zionists, but all Zionists are not Jews. Christian Zionism may even predate the Jewish variety.

    Additionally, even Jews who unequivocally support the Zionist State, per se are highly fractured concerning just about any specific policy, position or action of said entity.


    there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel’s settlement policies.
     
    Zionism certainly has both created new problems, as well as exacerbated already-existing ones.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism (which was vehemently opposed from its inception and in all of its different strains by an overwhelming consensus of the leading rabbis), Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole, both in the Holy Land as well as in any number of Arab and Muslim ruled lands.

    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel? Does that not seem more than a little simplistic and even tendentious? And do those who do so not appear less-than compelling, coherent, or even credible?


    It’s not anti-Semitic to point that out.
     
    True. And, as a Jew myself, I so happen to emphatically reject and even renounce this conflation, i.e. that of hatred and hostility toward Jews or Judaism, per se, with criticism or even hostility toward the State of Israel and its policies or government.

    At the same time, is it not difficult to not notice an overlap-- often quite considerable and even rather glaring-- between hostility and animosity toward Jews and the same ill sentiments toward the State that calls itself The Jewish State (and whose population is, as a matter of fact, overwhelmingly comprised-of Jews)? Consider many of the individuals who are so prominently not only found but featured at this very site. Imagine, as a thought exercise, that everything about the Arab-Israeli were precisely the same as it is presently save for just one aspect: the Jewishness of Israel; that the ethnic/racial/religious background/makeup/association of the state that presently exists as "Israel" were entirely non-Jewish. Would we see the same purported humanitarian concern over the Palestinians and other Arabs from the same individuals that we presently do?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Art Deco

  184. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Your rhetorical questions are sub-witty as always, but British Jews have tended to lean right, relatively, in comparison to their American version. This goes back to Cromwell times and they have far less emotional investment in tearing down jolly olde Blighty. There is no U.K. Philip Roth. Not a grand conspiracy to it, mate, just 2 different countries

    Replies: @dearieme, @Jack D, @Ben tillman

    Are you saying that Cromwell wasn’t an extreme leftist, or that the Jews didn’t support him? I don’t know which of those claims would be more shocking.

  185. @Torn and Frayed
    @AnotherDad

    After millennia of perceived and actual abuse, Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe. For whatever reason, collectively in Israel, Jews seem to have cured themselves of the worst aspects of their collective personality disorder. It's as if having their own ethno-state has acted as a beneficent form of therapy.

    The real question concerning the destruction of America is why did the WASPs let it happen? If we stick to the psychology theme, WASPs as a group suffer from a severe case of ethno-codependence. Like when a wealthy man marries a hot young damaged narcissistic chick, she soon utterly destroys him through smear campaigns, gaslighting, word salads, and other forms of abuse. The question always is: why did he stay with her. In the US case, the WASPs were sitting on top of the most powerful and wealthy nation ever. Once Jewish power started asserting itself in clearly malevolent ways, the WASPs didn't only not try to confront them them, worse, the WASPs have and still actively do ENABLE this destructive Jewish action. In the end, unfortunately for us, the Chinese, writ large, are the only group standing who have the balls, collective spirit, and organization required to confront Jewish power.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ben tillman

    The short answer is that the Jews manipulated the WASPs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Ben tillman

    Yes, the Joos are full of mind tricks.

  186. @Anonymous
    @Lurker

    Not true:

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish - all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lurker

    Engineer Scottie on Star Trek put on a Scots accent due to the old tradition of Scots being the best engineers of steamships: a felicitous idea.

  187. @El Dato
    Commentary by Neil Clark.

    Labour’s humiliating defeat signals its death, and Keir Starmer, not Jeremy Corbyn, is the man with its blood on his hands


    Just four years ago, in June 2017, Labour, under Corbyn, not only held Hartlepool, but did so with its highest share of the vote (52.5%) since 2001. But for the Corbyn-hating ‘moderates’, who funnily enough all seem to be strong supporters of the far-from-moderate Iraq War, it’s as if the 2017 general election never happened. In fact, the way that election – which Corbyn came very close to winning – has been airbrushed out of history reminds one of the late Harold Pinter’s Nobel Prize lecture in 2005, when he condemned US foreign policy crimes, before saying: “It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest.”

    The 2017 election is never referred to because it goes against the dominant narrative. Labour was supposed to have been thrashed out of sight four years ago, but to the horror of the neocon Establishment it wasn’t. In fact, under the ‘unelectable’ Corbyn, Labour achieved their biggest increase in the popular vote since 1945 (a whopping 9.6% up from 2015), and came to within a whisker of a shock victory.

    ...

    So an operation was mounted, with Trilateral Commission member Sir Keir Starmer playing a key role as Shadow Brexit Secretary to get Labour to change its policy and adopt an electorally suicidal stance of supporting a second referendum. It was electorally suicidal because 78% of Labour’s 45 target seats in England and Wales voted Leave in 2016, many of them quite strongly.

    Not only that, but there was a ratcheting up of the political weaponisation of anti-Semitism, which again was about ruining Corbyn’s chances.

    To his own – and his party’s – detriment, Corbyn didn’t fight back against the wreckers. He should have done more to resist the change in policy on Europe and should have sacked Starmer (in fact, he should never have appointed him in the first place). He should have pushed back harder, much harder, against those smearing him. With the mass membership on his side, he should have gone on the front foot against his Blairite enemies. But Corbyn did none of those things.
     

    Helpful guide by the BBC on Labour Anti-Semitism:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552


    Jewish people have faced prejudice and hostility for centuries. During World War II, six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis or their accomplices in what is known as the Holocaust.

    Modern-day anti-Semitism can take many forms including, but not limited to, conspiracy theories about Jewish control of the global financial system and the media, to attacks on synagogues, verbal abuse or hate speech and abusive memes on social media.
     

    In other words, crimethink.

    When Sir Keir Starmer was elected Labour leader in April, he made tackling anti-Semitism a top priority, promising to "tear out this poison by its roots" in his acceptance speech.

    In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

    This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had "achieved more in four days" than Mr Corbyn did "in four years".
     

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64), @YetAnotherAnon

    Agree Labour because of its inability to take a coherent stance on Brexit is kaput.

  188. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Americans’ problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that...'

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate. I mean, I'm sure they have their flaws, but...

    It's immoral to solve your problems by dumping them on victims too small to prevent you from doing it.

    We just need to have the moral courage to pass some frank numerus clausus type laws. We do that, and we needn't make life hell for people who never did anything to us.

    Cowardice can be indistinguishable from evil. We haven't the right to inflict our Jews on anyone else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.

    What ‘fate’? They’re a subset of the Levantine Arab population with notably unconstructive political goals. If they wanted some other set of circumstances than the one they have, they’d have worked toward them.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    '...If they wanted some other set of circumstances than the one they have, they’d have worked toward them.'

    Something like the Jews of Poland and Eastern Europe, then?

  189. @anon
    @Art Deco

    If you didn't want to get thrown down the well, you shouldn't have poisoned it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    They didn’t poison anything, except in your imagination.

  190. @Ben tillman
    @Torn and Frayed

    The short answer is that the Jews manipulated the WASPs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Yes, the Joos are full of mind tricks.

  191. @Anonymous
    @Lurker

    Not true:

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish - all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lurker

    Carronades were all the rage in 1780, a Scots development. Scots are pretty creative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade

    A carronade is a short, smoothbore, cast-iron cannon which was used by the Royal Navy. It was first produced by the Carron Company, an ironworks in Falkirk, Scotland, and was used from the 1770s to the 1850s. Its main function was to serve as a powerful, short-range, anti-ship and anti-crew weapon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_inventions

  192. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1390866028473749509

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Great piece on the election here, by a Labour activist

    https://unherd.com/2021/05/labour-isnt-working

    Then, during the Brexit debate itself, the conference rallied enthusiastically behind a motion explicitly putting a second EU referendum on the table. I remember gazing around the hall in despair as speaker after speaker pledged support for the motion, each drawing wild cheers and applause from delegates. That the adoption of this policy was almost certain to result in electoral oblivion seemed lost on virtually everyone present.

    At that moment, I tweeted that the conference was effectively handing a P45 to every Labour MP in the North and Midlands. I knew then that this self-inflicted wound would take years — possibly a generation — to heal. Images from the debate would that evening be beamed into the homes of loyal Labour voters across the party’s pro-Brexit heartlands, and millions among them would perceive the outcome as the ultimate kick in the teeth. Labour had betrayed its already-diminishing traditional working-class base and would pay a heavy price….

    Labour began to be dominated by the latter, transforming itself into a party of the managerial and professional classes, graduates and urban liberals. Not only was the party abandoning those in provincial and post-industrial Britain, it started to privately — and sometimes publicly — scorn them.

    The inevitable result was the steady flow of working-class votes away from Labour. Some were swept up by the likes of Ukip and even the BNP; millions more from that point simply went uncast.

    For a long time, disillusioned working-class voters in the Labour heartlands were reluctant to throw in their lot with the Tories, conscious of the stigma that often came with voting for the traditional enemy. It was only in 2019 that these voters, still brimming with anger over attempts to reverse the referendum result, decided in huge numbers to back a Conservative Party that had pledged to “Get Brexit Done”. The taboo had been broken. Having voted Tory once, these voters would — as we have seen — have no hesitation in doing the same again.

    This all fits perfectly with the university-educated “socialists” in the Guardiian comments calling the voters of Hartlepool a load of thick racist gammons. I wish I could find the Guardian piece written a few days after the Brexit vote by one of their few writers who actually listened to working people. He said that the message of both main parties to working class voters was “Vote Remain or your lives will be shit“, to which the voters of places like Stoke and Hartlepool replied “Our lives are shit already!“.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The same fools also passed a resolution committing the Labour Party into 'upholding free movement' (!!!!)

  193. @vhrm
    @Ed Case

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02383/SN02383.pdf
    (interestingly they update the page / file it seems. the archive.org version of the pdf from 2016 only listed 487 whereas this one lists 504)

    (from this page https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02383/ where they also have a spreadsheet)

    Also from there, from some other story:
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/content/uploads/2021/05/4583406795_1768e90bd2_o.jpg

    I've never seen a "way in" sign, but i like it!

    Replies: @Cortes, @Muggles

    I’ve never seen a “way in” sign, but i like it!

    In foreign locales I used to visit for work which used British English, you would also see “Way Out” signs. For exits.

    Way out, man…

  194. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Used to be a Youtube up of an adolescent demonstrating a Geordie accent. One of the comments below was. "That's not Geordie. Durham bitch".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Used to be a Youtube up of an adolescent demonstrating a Geordie accent. One of the comments below was. “That’s not Geordie. Durham bitch”.

    A Brooklynite shipmate of mine would tease another guy for his Queens accent. Then again, it took only seven or eight months in New England to identify a half dozen accents east of the Connecticut.

  195. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway.
     
    Can you please translate this into plain English? Do you mean per capita GNP? If so, the former is ~13K and latter is ~70K, so it's a meaningless metric. A lot of countries must fall into that category. Wouldn't it be clearer to say that Israel's GNP is roughly equal to that of Italy?

    That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons?
     

    Corbyn was utterly unsuitable to be PM but here you equate Israel with "the Jews." First of all, there's no such thing as "the Jews". There are Jews, period. They agree on very little. And Israel doesn't speak for most of them.

    About that "all the trouble in the world" again, Corbyn was unsuitable for leadership, but there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel's settlement policies. It's not anti-Semitic to point that out. Unless half the Jews I know are anti-Semites.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Dissident

    Jewish settlement in Israel makes some people uncomfortable.

    Jewish settlement in Brooklyn makes some people uncomfortable.

    Jewish settlement on Mars makes some people uncomfortable.

  196. @Forbes
    @Anon

    The left continues to stumble over the inherent conflict/contradiction between equality and diversity, i.e. they love, love, love diversity (genetic diversity is the natural state of affairs). Try as they might, they can't square the circle with equality.

    This results (for the left) in narrowly, and purposefully, redefining diversity and equality, e.g., blacks are diverse, whites are not; equality means equal outcomes.

    Replies: @anon

    The left continues to stumble over the inherent conflict/contradiction between equality and diversity,

    Not in the Current Year. Now they are all about teh Equity because mere equality isn’t enough and is totally rayciss anyway.

  197. Awesome, Team Blue (Con) can import 8 quadrillion non-white aliens, instead of Team Red (Lab). At least they’ll do it while lowering taxes for the rich, I guess.

  198. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @MEH 0910

    Great piece on the election here, by a Labour activist

    https://unherd.com/2021/05/labour-isnt-working


    Then, during the Brexit debate itself, the conference rallied enthusiastically behind a motion explicitly putting a second EU referendum on the table. I remember gazing around the hall in despair as speaker after speaker pledged support for the motion, each drawing wild cheers and applause from delegates. That the adoption of this policy was almost certain to result in electoral oblivion seemed lost on virtually everyone present.

    At that moment, I tweeted that the conference was effectively handing a P45 to every Labour MP in the North and Midlands. I knew then that this self-inflicted wound would take years — possibly a generation — to heal. Images from the debate would that evening be beamed into the homes of loyal Labour voters across the party’s pro-Brexit heartlands, and millions among them would perceive the outcome as the ultimate kick in the teeth. Labour had betrayed its already-diminishing traditional working-class base and would pay a heavy price....

    Labour began to be dominated by the latter, transforming itself into a party of the managerial and professional classes, graduates and urban liberals. Not only was the party abandoning those in provincial and post-industrial Britain, it started to privately — and sometimes publicly — scorn them.

    The inevitable result was the steady flow of working-class votes away from Labour. Some were swept up by the likes of Ukip and even the BNP; millions more from that point simply went uncast.

    For a long time, disillusioned working-class voters in the Labour heartlands were reluctant to throw in their lot with the Tories, conscious of the stigma that often came with voting for the traditional enemy. It was only in 2019 that these voters, still brimming with anger over attempts to reverse the referendum result, decided in huge numbers to back a Conservative Party that had pledged to “Get Brexit Done”. The taboo had been broken. Having voted Tory once, these voters would — as we have seen — have no hesitation in doing the same again.
     

    This all fits perfectly with the university-educated "socialists" in the Guardiian comments calling the voters of Hartlepool a load of thick racist gammons. I wish I could find the Guardian piece written a few days after the Brexit vote by one of their few writers who actually listened to working people. He said that the message of both main parties to working class voters was "Vote Remain or your lives will be shit", to which the voters of places like Stoke and Hartlepool replied "Our lives are shit already!".

    https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1044558415257890816

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The same fools also passed a resolution committing the Labour Party into ‘upholding free movement’ (!!!!)

  199. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve said it before on this thread, and I have to say it again, after reading all the outlandish theories offered:

    The Labour Party’s political collapse is purely and simply a delayed backlash against the Blair/Brown policy of massive uncontrolled third world immigration into Britain. Voters bear deep grudges and hatreds, and they have got their revenge in.

    Of course, the joker in the pack of British politics was Nigel Farage and his Ukip party. Basically – without winning a single Westminster seat, due to the UK electoral system – he more or less decided the outcome of every general election since 2010, rendering both Labour and the Conservatives into nullities effectively cancelling one another out.

    Farage’s main campaign was exit from the EU, which he achieved, but his real *clever* tactic, the real USP, the motivator of millions was a not too subtle or subliminal appeal to the cessation of mass immigration – despite the denials and damned lies from all the big fat pompous political ‘experts’ that’s what’s done it.

    Labour is reaping the evil karma of the injuries it inflicted on normal British voters with its shitty Economist immigration. Brexit was a price the bastards had to pay too.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  200. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Guardian comments this morning are doubling down on the "white working class people are thick racists" theme after Hartlepool.

    Top comments

    "What kind of moron walks to the ballot box thinking they want to vote Tory after the past 12 months?"

    "What a shocker throwing the vast majority of your pro European union supporters under the bus in search of the mythical traditional Labour voter who hasn't voted Labour since the 1960's didn't work so well. Who would have thought!"

    "The loss of Hartlepool to the Conservatives is a dreadful indictment of the state of our shoddy nation. The pull of populism is frightening, with echoes of events in early 1930s Germany. This government and those who continue to vote for it should be ashamed."


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/may/07/elections-2021-latest-results-scotland-england-wales-hartlepool-labour-conservatives-snp-live

    This is an age/education thing. Those of us who grew up and were educated pre-1990s tended to see people like miners and steelworkers as good guys, salt of the earth working folk.

    There are no miners and precious few steelworkers now, and people brought up on UK history as the long story of white racism are just following what they've been taught in school or at college. That Hartlepool voted 70% for Brexit just increases the hatred.

    When I hear the educated middle-class folk I move and live among (I didn't use to live among them, my rural village has been taken over over by the area manager or even director class) talk about Brexit voters or Trump voters, I feel like I've been transported back to 1890 and they're talking about the Labour Party of 1890. It's a class thing. And while they are all "anti-racist", there's a reason why they live in a 100% white locality.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Forbes, @dfordoom

    It’s a class thing.

    Almost everything in politics is a class thing. Even the things that seem to be ideological usually turn out, on closer examination, to be driven by class hatred.

  201. @dearieme
    but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded.

    Corbyn was vile. Was he anti-semitic? My only doubt arises from the fact that whenever his opponents were asked for evidence they quoted anti-Israel remarks rather than anti-semitic remarks. Still, lots of his close followers were anti-semitic so it's just as well that his mob lost.

    My own policy on the Middle East is even-handed. I don't have a policy on the Middle East. Not my fight.

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lot, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Rob McX, @dfordoom

    Back to Hartlepool. Good! I want to see the Labour Party utterly destroyed, and British politics revert to Whigs vs Tories, as God intended.

    If you want to return to the days when Britain was a great country you’re going to have to utterly destroy the Conservative Party as well.

    And Whigs vs Tories is not what God intended. I cannot believe that any God could be so depraved as to favour democracy. You need a king. A real king. Not the celebrity trash Windsors and not the constitutional monarchy nonsense.

  202. @Jonathan Mason
    Starmer is at least immune to allegations of antisemitism as he is married to a Jewish wife and their family is kosher, does the Sabbath, etc. though Starmer himself is vegetarian so bypasses all issues related to pork and bacon consumption.

    I do not know if there is any public information about whether he is circumcised or not.

    He is actually a very intelligent, decent, and capable man, but maybe a bit lacking in political street smarts compared to his nemesis Johnson.

    https://youtu.be/HSviYPKNsos

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @J.Ross, @Wielgus, @dfordoom

    though Starmer himself is vegetarian

    I didn’t think it was possible for me to despise him more than I already did but you’ve managed to increase my loathing for him.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  203. Speaking of jewish campaigns, I was surprised to see Tucker go at them on his show earlier this week. After ridiculing the woke CIA ad, he calls out the Atlantic magazine and David Frum’s attempts to “force America into yet another unwinnable, pointless war.” Without using the words jew, Israel, or middle east, that may be the largest TV audience I’ve ever seen such a riposte made in front of (watch the next 30 seconds of the video from the 7 minute mark):

    Perhaps jewish power is slipping or he’s emboldened by the ADL attack on him or maybe the jews are all too busy pushing Biden into a new war in the middle east, but you won’t see such a critique of these jewish Neocons on any show with such a large audience, only on smaller shows when the host is taken by surprise:

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bumpkin

    He didn't need to use the word 'Jew' because the Jews are not an object of resentment for him. You're projecting.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

  204. @El Dato
    Commentary by Neil Clark.

    Labour’s humiliating defeat signals its death, and Keir Starmer, not Jeremy Corbyn, is the man with its blood on his hands


    Just four years ago, in June 2017, Labour, under Corbyn, not only held Hartlepool, but did so with its highest share of the vote (52.5%) since 2001. But for the Corbyn-hating ‘moderates’, who funnily enough all seem to be strong supporters of the far-from-moderate Iraq War, it’s as if the 2017 general election never happened. In fact, the way that election – which Corbyn came very close to winning – has been airbrushed out of history reminds one of the late Harold Pinter’s Nobel Prize lecture in 2005, when he condemned US foreign policy crimes, before saying: “It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest.”

    The 2017 election is never referred to because it goes against the dominant narrative. Labour was supposed to have been thrashed out of sight four years ago, but to the horror of the neocon Establishment it wasn’t. In fact, under the ‘unelectable’ Corbyn, Labour achieved their biggest increase in the popular vote since 1945 (a whopping 9.6% up from 2015), and came to within a whisker of a shock victory.

    ...

    So an operation was mounted, with Trilateral Commission member Sir Keir Starmer playing a key role as Shadow Brexit Secretary to get Labour to change its policy and adopt an electorally suicidal stance of supporting a second referendum. It was electorally suicidal because 78% of Labour’s 45 target seats in England and Wales voted Leave in 2016, many of them quite strongly.

    Not only that, but there was a ratcheting up of the political weaponisation of anti-Semitism, which again was about ruining Corbyn’s chances.

    To his own – and his party’s – detriment, Corbyn didn’t fight back against the wreckers. He should have done more to resist the change in policy on Europe and should have sacked Starmer (in fact, he should never have appointed him in the first place). He should have pushed back harder, much harder, against those smearing him. With the mass membership on his side, he should have gone on the front foot against his Blairite enemies. But Corbyn did none of those things.
     

    Helpful guide by the BBC on Labour Anti-Semitism:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552


    Jewish people have faced prejudice and hostility for centuries. During World War II, six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis or their accomplices in what is known as the Holocaust.

    Modern-day anti-Semitism can take many forms including, but not limited to, conspiracy theories about Jewish control of the global financial system and the media, to attacks on synagogues, verbal abuse or hate speech and abusive memes on social media.
     

    In other words, crimethink.

    When Sir Keir Starmer was elected Labour leader in April, he made tackling anti-Semitism a top priority, promising to "tear out this poison by its roots" in his acceptance speech.

    In a video conference with Jewish leaders, the new Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, said they would set up an independent complaints procedure and review all outstanding cases.

    This was welcomed by Jewish leaders, who said in a joint statement that Sir Keir had "achieved more in four days" than Mr Corbyn did "in four years".
     

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64), @YetAnotherAnon

    Guardian comment today. Blair in 2005 used a much lower percentage of the vote than Corbyn delivered (even in 2019) to open the gates to Eastern Europe and immiserate the British working class.

    Blair was the chief architect of Brexit, with Merkel in 2015 his able lieutenant.

  205. @Bumpkin
    Speaking of jewish campaigns, I was surprised to see Tucker go at them on his show earlier this week. After ridiculing the woke CIA ad, he calls out the Atlantic magazine and David Frum's attempts to "force America into yet another unwinnable, pointless war." Without using the words jew, Israel, or middle east, that may be the largest TV audience I've ever seen such a riposte made in front of (watch the next 30 seconds of the video from the 7 minute mark):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrUSBAzQMD0&t=6m54s

    Perhaps jewish power is slipping or he's emboldened by the ADL attack on him or maybe the jews are all too busy pushing Biden into a new war in the middle east, but you won't see such a critique of these jewish Neocons on any show with such a large audience, only on smaller shows when the host is taken by surprise:

    https://youtu.be/LMbHB8PnXA8

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He didn’t need to use the word ‘Jew’ because the Jews are not an object of resentment for him. You’re projecting.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @Art Deco

    No, he didn't use the word jew only because the ADL would immediately proclaim it to the idiot masses and they would fall for all that "anti-semitic" nonsense. He clearly resents Frum and other Israel-first jews such as yourself, but realizes the public is too ignorant of your treasonous acts to go after you by your name... yet.

    As for me, resentment is too weak, I detest Israel-first traitors such as you and Frum, and look forward to the day when your treason is laid bare to the dumb masses. The results will be swift and long overdue.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  206. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Americans’ problem with Israel is insufficient aliyah. Never mind arms sales, we should start subsidizing that...'

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate. I mean, I'm sure they have their flaws, but...

    It's immoral to solve your problems by dumping them on victims too small to prevent you from doing it.

    We just need to have the moral courage to pass some frank numerus clausus type laws. We do that, and we needn't make life hell for people who never did anything to us.

    Cowardice can be indistinguishable from evil. We haven't the right to inflict our Jews on anyone else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.

    The same thing the Copts did?

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'The same thing the Copts did?'

    Even if we grant that the Copts are as relentlessly persecuted, harassed, dispossessed, abused, and simply murdered to the extent that Palestinians are -- which I doubt -- there remains a problem.

    Two wrongs do not make a right. Is it your position that Egypt's treatment of the Copts is a model to be followed?

    Or is it your position that the Palestinians are somehow responsible for Egypt's treatment of the Copts? You know, a great many of the Palestinians are Christians themselves -- or were. Israel's been somewhat more successful at driving the Christians out than she has the Muslims.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  207. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    All the trouble in the world, and he lands on Israel, a country whose per capita product lies between that of Peru and that of Norway.
     
    Can you please translate this into plain English? Do you mean per capita GNP? If so, the former is ~13K and latter is ~70K, so it's a meaningless metric. A lot of countries must fall into that category. Wouldn't it be clearer to say that Israel's GNP is roughly equal to that of Italy?

    That the Jews should bend their neck for the axe because reasons?
     

    Corbyn was utterly unsuitable to be PM but here you equate Israel with "the Jews." First of all, there's no such thing as "the Jews". There are Jews, period. They agree on very little. And Israel doesn't speak for most of them.

    About that "all the trouble in the world" again, Corbyn was unsuitable for leadership, but there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel's settlement policies. It's not anti-Semitic to point that out. Unless half the Jews I know are anti-Semites.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Dissident

    First of all, there’s no such thing as “the Jews”. There are Jews, period. They agree on very little.

    Not even on how to define a Jew or Judaism.

    And Israel doesn’t speak for most of them.

    Not only are all Jews not Zionists, but all Zionists are not Jews. Christian Zionism may even predate the Jewish variety.

    Additionally, even Jews who unequivocally support the Zionist State, per se are highly fractured concerning just about any specific policy, position or action of said entity.

    there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel’s settlement policies.

    Zionism certainly has both created new problems, as well as exacerbated already-existing ones.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism (which was vehemently opposed from its inception and in all of its different strains by an overwhelming consensus of the leading rabbis), Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole,

    [MORE]
    both in the Holy Land as well as in any number of Arab and Muslim ruled lands.

    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel? Does that not seem more than a little simplistic and even tendentious? And do those who do so not appear less-than compelling, coherent, or even credible?

    It’s not anti-Semitic to point that out.

    True. And, as a Jew myself, I so happen to emphatically reject and even renounce this conflation, i.e. that of hatred and hostility toward Jews or Judaism, per se, with criticism or even hostility toward the State of Israel and its policies or government.

    At the same time, is it not difficult to not notice an overlap— often quite considerable and even rather glaring— between hostility and animosity toward Jews and the same ill sentiments toward the State that calls itself The Jewish State (and whose population is, as a matter of fact, overwhelmingly comprised-of Jews)? Consider many of the individuals who are so prominently not only found but featured at this very site. Imagine, as a thought exercise, that everything about the Arab-Israeli were precisely the same as it is presently save for just one aspect: the Jewishness of Israel; that the ethnic/racial/religious background/makeup/association of the state that presently exists as “Israel” were entirely non-Jewish. Would we see the same purported humanitarian concern over the Palestinians and other Arabs from the same individuals that we presently do?

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Dissident


    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel?
     
    NOTE: I did not mean to suggest that Paperback Writer had done any such thing.
    , @Art Deco
    @Dissident

    Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole,

    Joan Peters provides a summary of the actual condition of the Jewish populations in various parts of the Muslim world. Thanks for the fantasy.

  208. @Anonymous
    @Lurker

    Not true:

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish - all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Lurker

    Indeed what I claimed may not be true.

    Scots long had a reputation for being very talented engineers.
    James Watt himself was a Scot.

    Agreed. And yet that’s an odd thing for you to post because my comment made no mention of the talents of Scottish engineers or denied them.

    Steam powered iron hulled ships were a Scottish invention from start to finish – all the pioneering iron ship yards were Scottish.

    And again – you’re refuting a claim I never made.

    This is all some sort of straw man exercise, attacking a comment of mine by refuting claims I never made or even implied.

    My point was that some English shipbuilders moved their operations to Scotland, allegedly because they saw the Scottish workforce as less radicalised than the English. You don’t appear to have refuted or expanded upon that at all.

  209. @Art Deco
    @Torn and Frayed

    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.

    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Torn and Frayed wrote:

    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.

    First, is intermarriage a behavior consistent with “severe ethno-narcissism”? Perhaps Torn and Frayed is unaware of how high the intermarriage and assimilation rates among non-Orthodox Jews are? (Who still make-up the majority of Jews but won’t for that much longer, if present demographic trends continue.)

    Art Deco replied:

    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.

    Yes and no.

    I
    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here? I would contend that much, or even most of the behavior of said entities actually increases animosity and hostility toward Jews everywhere. Would you concede the same concerning at least some of at least the first two (ADL and HIAS)?

    II
    There is a strong, general inverse correlation in Jews between religious Orthodoxy and Left-wing/Liberal/Progressive (and certainly Woke) views.[1] Even a number of individuals who are not known for being especially partial or favorably inclined toward Jews, such as iSteve regular AnotherDad,

    [MORE]
    have acknowledged that from their perspective, that whatever problems and threats that whites may face from traditionalist Orthodox Jews, it is negligible compared to those created and posed by their secular, Leftist activist “brethren”.[2]

    III
    Theologically, from the Orthodox Judaic perspective, the farther a Jew strays from (authentic) Judaism, the more destructive and dangerous he becomes– not only to his fellow Jews but to the world at large. And, conversely, for being kind and accommodating to the Jew, specifically and especially in a manner that supports and facilitates his fulfilling his unique religious obligations as a Jew, the nations of the world will be blessed and rewarded– in this world and beyond.

    NOTES/QUALIFICATIONS/ADDITIONS
    [1] This is the rule. It is also true that some of the most ardently pro-white Jews barely even identify as Jews. And for just about any position imaginable, one can find, if one looks hard enough, a Jew taking it who calls himself Orthodox. But by and large, the more religiously Orthodox a Jew is, the less likely he is to culpable or complicit in the promotion of causes such as pro-immigration; hostility toward whites and sacralization of non-whites; feminism; pro-abortion; “LGBTQ”; etc. And the more likely, at least in the case of the latter three and similar, to vehemently and even actively oppose them.

    Zionism, for those who consider it categorically antithetical to white or non-Jewish interests, per se, presents somewhat of an exception here. But nowhere as complete or simple of one as is commonly thought. Although the number of Orthodox Jews who are actively, vocally, unequivocally anti-Zionist may be relatively small, the number who are at least de jure anti-Zionist, let alone that combined with those who are are merely non-Zionist, is anything but small. In fact, the combined numbers of those latter two subsets of Orthodox Jews easily add-up to a solid majority.

    [2] Apropos my qualification, by means of quotation marks, of brethren and the utterly predictable, trite but inevitable mention that has been made in other comments of Jewish Bolsheviks, it might be noted (yet again) that said radicals were rabid apostates who were no less vicious to their fellow Jews who were religious than to any non-Jews. Similarly, those who cite heavy Jewish involvement in such areas as “LGBTQ” activism or the pornography industry, rarely acknowledge that such behavior/ causes are no less an egregious violation of traditional Judaic principles and sensibilities than they are of Christian ones or any others.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Dissident

    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here?

    No, we're not compelled to pay them any mind at all.

    Replies: @Dissident

  210. @Art Deco
    @Bumpkin

    He didn't need to use the word 'Jew' because the Jews are not an object of resentment for him. You're projecting.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

    No, he didn’t use the word jew only because the ADL would immediately proclaim it to the idiot masses and they would fall for all that “anti-semitic” nonsense. He clearly resents Frum and other Israel-first jews such as yourself, but realizes the public is too ignorant of your treasonous acts to go after you by your name… yet.

    As for me, resentment is too weak, I detest Israel-first traitors such as you and Frum, and look forward to the day when your treason is laid bare to the dumb masses. The results will be swift and long overdue.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bumpkin

    He clearly resents Frum and other Israel-first jews such as yourself, but realizes the public is too ignorant of your treasonous acts to go after you by your name… yet.

    Frum is an unserious person whose history in topical commentary consists of a series of phases wherein he makes arguments incongruent with whatever he was arguing in the previous phase. The point appears to be to amuse himself. He also took $100,000 a year from the American Enterprise Institute from 2003 to 2009 and did no work for them. He was incensed when Arthur Brooks took over as AEI president and told him he could have an institutional address but there was no justification for paying him a salary (per Charles Murray, he wasn't even picking up his mail). Of course Carlson doesn't think much of him.

  211. @Dissident
    @Paperback Writer


    First of all, there’s no such thing as “the Jews”. There are Jews, period. They agree on very little.
     
    Not even on how to define a Jew or Judaism.

    And Israel doesn’t speak for most of them.
     
    Not only are all Jews not Zionists, but all Zionists are not Jews. Christian Zionism may even predate the Jewish variety.

    Additionally, even Jews who unequivocally support the Zionist State, per se are highly fractured concerning just about any specific policy, position or action of said entity.


    there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel’s settlement policies.
     
    Zionism certainly has both created new problems, as well as exacerbated already-existing ones.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism (which was vehemently opposed from its inception and in all of its different strains by an overwhelming consensus of the leading rabbis), Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole, both in the Holy Land as well as in any number of Arab and Muslim ruled lands.

    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel? Does that not seem more than a little simplistic and even tendentious? And do those who do so not appear less-than compelling, coherent, or even credible?


    It’s not anti-Semitic to point that out.
     
    True. And, as a Jew myself, I so happen to emphatically reject and even renounce this conflation, i.e. that of hatred and hostility toward Jews or Judaism, per se, with criticism or even hostility toward the State of Israel and its policies or government.

    At the same time, is it not difficult to not notice an overlap-- often quite considerable and even rather glaring-- between hostility and animosity toward Jews and the same ill sentiments toward the State that calls itself The Jewish State (and whose population is, as a matter of fact, overwhelmingly comprised-of Jews)? Consider many of the individuals who are so prominently not only found but featured at this very site. Imagine, as a thought exercise, that everything about the Arab-Israeli were precisely the same as it is presently save for just one aspect: the Jewishness of Israel; that the ethnic/racial/religious background/makeup/association of the state that presently exists as "Israel" were entirely non-Jewish. Would we see the same purported humanitarian concern over the Palestinians and other Arabs from the same individuals that we presently do?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Art Deco

    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel?

    NOTE: I did not mean to suggest that Paperback Writer had done any such thing.

  212. @Dissident
    @Paperback Writer


    First of all, there’s no such thing as “the Jews”. There are Jews, period. They agree on very little.
     
    Not even on how to define a Jew or Judaism.

    And Israel doesn’t speak for most of them.
     
    Not only are all Jews not Zionists, but all Zionists are not Jews. Christian Zionism may even predate the Jewish variety.

    Additionally, even Jews who unequivocally support the Zionist State, per se are highly fractured concerning just about any specific policy, position or action of said entity.


    there are problems in the Middle East that really do trace back to Israel’s settlement policies.
     
    Zionism certainly has both created new problems, as well as exacerbated already-existing ones.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism (which was vehemently opposed from its inception and in all of its different strains by an overwhelming consensus of the leading rabbis), Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole, both in the Holy Land as well as in any number of Arab and Muslim ruled lands.

    That said, to blame all problems in the region entirely on Zionism or the present State that calls itself Israel? Does that not seem more than a little simplistic and even tendentious? And do those who do so not appear less-than compelling, coherent, or even credible?


    It’s not anti-Semitic to point that out.
     
    True. And, as a Jew myself, I so happen to emphatically reject and even renounce this conflation, i.e. that of hatred and hostility toward Jews or Judaism, per se, with criticism or even hostility toward the State of Israel and its policies or government.

    At the same time, is it not difficult to not notice an overlap-- often quite considerable and even rather glaring-- between hostility and animosity toward Jews and the same ill sentiments toward the State that calls itself The Jewish State (and whose population is, as a matter of fact, overwhelmingly comprised-of Jews)? Consider many of the individuals who are so prominently not only found but featured at this very site. Imagine, as a thought exercise, that everything about the Arab-Israeli were precisely the same as it is presently save for just one aspect: the Jewishness of Israel; that the ethnic/racial/religious background/makeup/association of the state that presently exists as "Israel" were entirely non-Jewish. Would we see the same purported humanitarian concern over the Palestinians and other Arabs from the same individuals that we presently do?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Art Deco

    Jews got along with their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather well on the whole,

    Joan Peters provides a summary of the actual condition of the Jewish populations in various parts of the Muslim world. Thanks for the fantasy.

  213. Joan Peters’ book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    ,

    I was simply pointing out that “Jews” and “the Jews” are two very different things. With apologies to the Russians, we have definite articles for damned good reason.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Joan Peters’ book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    Yeah, Norman Finkelstein uttrering the incantation 'outright hoax' over and over is a 'thorough debunking'.

    The section I'm referring to was not a point of controversy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Dissident
    @Paperback Writer


    I was simply pointing out that “Jews” and “the Jews” are two very different things.
     
    Right. I was mostly agreeing with and elaborating upon what you had written.
  214. @Bumpkin
    @Art Deco

    No, he didn't use the word jew only because the ADL would immediately proclaim it to the idiot masses and they would fall for all that "anti-semitic" nonsense. He clearly resents Frum and other Israel-first jews such as yourself, but realizes the public is too ignorant of your treasonous acts to go after you by your name... yet.

    As for me, resentment is too weak, I detest Israel-first traitors such as you and Frum, and look forward to the day when your treason is laid bare to the dumb masses. The results will be swift and long overdue.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He clearly resents Frum and other Israel-first jews such as yourself, but realizes the public is too ignorant of your treasonous acts to go after you by your name… yet.

    Frum is an unserious person whose history in topical commentary consists of a series of phases wherein he makes arguments incongruent with whatever he was arguing in the previous phase. The point appears to be to amuse himself. He also took $100,000 a year from the American Enterprise Institute from 2003 to 2009 and did no work for them. He was incensed when Arthur Brooks took over as AEI president and told him he could have an institutional address but there was no justification for paying him a salary (per Charles Murray, he wasn’t even picking up his mail). Of course Carlson doesn’t think much of him.

  215. @Paperback Writer
    Joan Peters' book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    @Dissident,

    I was simply pointing out that "Jews" and "the Jews" are two very different things. With apologies to the Russians, we have definite articles for damned good reason.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dissident

    Joan Peters’ book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    Yeah, Norman Finkelstein uttrering the incantation ‘outright hoax’ over and over is a ‘thorough debunking’.

    The section I’m referring to was not a point of controversy.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    It wasn't just Norman Finkelstein.


    Daniel Pipes, who had initially praised the book prior to Finkelstein's analysis, subsequently stated that "From Time Immemorial quotes carelessly, uses statistics sloppily, and ignores inconvenient facts ... The author's linguistic and scholarly abilities are open to question ... In short, From Time Immemorial stands out as an appallingly crafted book."

     

    She was an advocacy journalist, not a scholar. If she had simply said that Palestine was a place of in-migration, and that some Arabs had migrated there, and that the so-called Palestinians didn't have a Palestinian national consciousness, that would have been unexceptionable. But she went way further than that.

    It's been a while since I read the book. Like Pipes, I *wanted* to believe what she wrote was true. So I can't remember exactly what you're referring to but I'll assume it's to do with the supposedly awful treatment of Jews in Islam.

    Geez, give it a rest, will you? Jewish life in Muslim countries was up and down, mostly not so bad. It got really bad after Zionism heated up because that coincided with rise of nationalist fascism in the Arab world. But stuff like this didn't help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair


    As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.

     

    I can't bear to quote the rest. It was a horrible, cynical operation on the part of ideological fanatics who didn't care about "the Jews."

    And let's not get started on Suez, which Eisenhower, the last US president to have any sense whatever about the Middle East, thought was insane.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  216. @Dissident
    @Art Deco

    Torn and Frayed wrote:


    Jews suffer from severe ethno-narcissism and this explains their self-destructive group behavior in the US and Europe.
     
    First, is intermarriage a behavior consistent with "severe ethno-narcissism"? Perhaps Torn and Frayed is unaware of how high the intermarriage and assimilation rates among non-Orthodox Jews are? (Who still make-up the majority of Jews but won't for that much longer, if present demographic trends continue.)

    Art Deco replied:


    Jews collectively do not engage in any self-destructive behavior apart from inter-marriage and neglect of religious observation. Neither is doing any injury to you.
     
    Yes and no.

    I
    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here? I would contend that much, or even most of the behavior of said entities actually increases animosity and hostility toward Jews everywhere. Would you concede the same concerning at least some of at least the first two (ADL and HIAS)?

    II
    There is a strong, general inverse correlation in Jews between religious Orthodoxy and Left-wing/Liberal/Progressive (and certainly Woke) views.[1] Even a number of individuals who are not known for being especially partial or favorably inclined toward Jews, such as iSteve regular AnotherDad, have acknowledged that from their perspective, that whatever problems and threats that whites may face from traditionalist Orthodox Jews, it is negligible compared to those created and posed by their secular, Leftist activist "brethren".[2]

    III
    Theologically, from the Orthodox Judaic perspective, the farther a Jew strays from (authentic) Judaism, the more destructive and dangerous he becomes-- not only to his fellow Jews but to the world at large. And, conversely, for being kind and accommodating to the Jew, specifically and especially in a manner that supports and facilitates his fulfilling his unique religious obligations as a Jew, the nations of the world will be blessed and rewarded-- in this world and beyond.

    NOTES/QUALIFICATIONS/ADDITIONS
    [1] This is the rule. It is also true that some of the most ardently pro-white Jews barely even identify as Jews. And for just about any position imaginable, one can find, if one looks hard enough, a Jew taking it who calls himself Orthodox. But by and large, the more religiously Orthodox a Jew is, the less likely he is to culpable or complicit in the promotion of causes such as pro-immigration; hostility toward whites and sacralization of non-whites; feminism; pro-abortion; "LGBTQ"; etc. And the more likely, at least in the case of the latter three and similar, to vehemently and even actively oppose them.

    Zionism, for those who consider it categorically antithetical to white or non-Jewish interests, per se, presents somewhat of an exception here. But nowhere as complete or simple of one as is commonly thought. Although the number of Orthodox Jews who are actively, vocally, unequivocally anti-Zionist may be relatively small, the number who are at least de jure anti-Zionist, let alone that combined with those who are are merely non-Zionist, is anything but small. In fact, the combined numbers of those latter two subsets of Orthodox Jews easily add-up to a solid majority.

    [2] Apropos my qualification, by means of quotation marks, of brethren and the utterly predictable, trite but inevitable mention that has been made in other comments of Jewish Bolsheviks, it might be noted (yet again) that said radicals were rabid apostates who were no less vicious to their fellow Jews who were religious than to any non-Jews. Similarly, those who cite heavy Jewish involvement in such areas as "LGBTQ" activism or the pornography industry, rarely acknowledge that such behavior/ causes are no less an egregious violation of traditional Judaic principles and sensibilities than they are of Christian ones or any others.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here?

    No, we’re not compelled to pay them any mind at all.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Art Deco



    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here?
     
    No, we’re not compelled to pay them any mind at all.

     

    On the one hand, I am inclined toward such thinking myself. Why should I be expected to disavow the pronouncements or behavior of entities that I have no affiliation with; ones that, by objective measures, are representative neither of myself nor of any of the communities or authorities that I affiliate/ am affiliated with (to the extent that I do so with any).

    On the other hand, many people surely take the grandiose statements and the incendiary, often reprehensible behaviors of the officious entities-in-question as representative of "The Jews", and by extension, myself and the other Jews I am associated with.

    These are conflicting sentiments and concerns that cannot be reconciled with any easy, simple answer; any one, across-the-board rule. Each case must be considered and weighed.

  217. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Joan Peters’ book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    Yeah, Norman Finkelstein uttrering the incantation 'outright hoax' over and over is a 'thorough debunking'.

    The section I'm referring to was not a point of controversy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    It wasn’t just Norman Finkelstein.

    Daniel Pipes, who had initially praised the book prior to Finkelstein’s analysis, subsequently stated that “From Time Immemorial quotes carelessly, uses statistics sloppily, and ignores inconvenient facts … The author’s linguistic and scholarly abilities are open to question … In short, From Time Immemorial stands out as an appallingly crafted book.”

    She was an advocacy journalist, not a scholar. If she had simply said that Palestine was a place of in-migration, and that some Arabs had migrated there, and that the so-called Palestinians didn’t have a Palestinian national consciousness, that would have been unexceptionable. But she went way further than that.

    It’s been a while since I read the book. Like Pipes, I *wanted* to believe what she wrote was true. So I can’t remember exactly what you’re referring to but I’ll assume it’s to do with the supposedly awful treatment of Jews in Islam.

    Geez, give it a rest, will you? Jewish life in Muslim countries was up and down, mostly not so bad. It got really bad after Zionism heated up because that coincided with rise of nationalist fascism in the Arab world. But stuff like this didn’t help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

    As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.

    I can’t bear to quote the rest. It was a horrible, cynical operation on the part of ideological fanatics who didn’t care about “the Jews.”

    And let’s not get started on Suez, which Eisenhower, the last US president to have any sense whatever about the Middle East, thought was insane.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    It wasn’t just Norman Finkelstein.

    He says, recycling a clip from Wikipedia. It's not as if Pipes' actual writing is inaccessible.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  218. @Paperback Writer
    Joan Peters' book was pretty thoroughly debunked.

    @Dissident,

    I was simply pointing out that "Jews" and "the Jews" are two very different things. With apologies to the Russians, we have definite articles for damned good reason.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dissident

    I was simply pointing out that “Jews” and “the Jews” are two very different things.

    Right. I was mostly agreeing with and elaborating upon what you had written.

  219. but then a Jewish campaign against him was a launched and he faded

    To be fair to the 4 by 2s, that was simply reciprocity.

    More; Corbyn flamed out, not so much due to the Labour left’s pandering to the Muslim vote* with boiler plate Jew hatred. Rather, due to working class natives noticing that Corbyn is an IRA supporting, Lenin hat wearing, Marxist. One who, in over 3 decades, has never missed an opportunity to diss his own country. That and Labour’s insufferable wokery.

    * The UK Muslim population is now approaching 4 million, over 5%. It doubles roughly every 14 years.

  220. @Art Deco
    @Dissident

    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here?

    No, we're not compelled to pay them any mind at all.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Although not nearly as representative of Jews as their grandiose pronouncements would suggest, must we not consider organizations such as the ADL, HIAS and even AIPAC here?

    No, we’re not compelled to pay them any mind at all.

    On the one hand, I am inclined toward such thinking myself. Why should I be expected to disavow the pronouncements or behavior of entities that I have no affiliation with; ones that, by objective measures, are representative neither of myself nor of any of the communities or authorities that I affiliate/ am affiliated with (to the extent that I do so with any).

    On the other hand, many people surely take the grandiose statements and the incendiary, often reprehensible behaviors of the officious entities-in-question as representative of “The Jews”, and by extension, myself and the other Jews I am associated with.

    These are conflicting sentiments and concerns that cannot be reconciled with any easy, simple answer; any one, across-the-board rule. Each case must be considered and weighed.

  221. @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright


    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.
     
    The same thing the Copts did?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘The same thing the Copts did?’

    Even if we grant that the Copts are as relentlessly persecuted, harassed, dispossessed, abused, and simply murdered to the extent that Palestinians are — which I doubt — there remains a problem.

    Two wrongs do not make a right. Is it your position that Egypt’s treatment of the Copts is a model to be followed?

    Or is it your position that the Palestinians are somehow responsible for Egypt’s treatment of the Copts? You know, a great many of the Palestinians are Christians themselves — or were. Israel’s been somewhat more successful at driving the Christians out than she has the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Even if we grant that the Copts are as relentlessly persecuted, harassed, dispossessed, abused, and simply murdered to the extent that Palestinians are — which I doubt — there remains a problem.

    They're not persecuted at all, except in your imagination.

    The Jordanian border has been quiet for > 50 years. There's a reason for that, and that's that the Jordanian Army doesn't have episodes where it unleashes artillery barrages on Jewish towns for sh!ts and giggles. If Hamas does not want to be decked every four years (wherein all of their artillery pieces are destroyed), they ought to come up with constructive projects and stop squandering UNRWA's money on artillery.

    As for the West Bank, they have had other options than the current distribution of functions, patrols, and settlement zones. They rejected them all. Well, this is your last choice. The only oppressor is their own stupidity.


    https://necrometrics.com/warstat6.htm

    You can see an estimate of the tally of deaths (Arab and Jewish) within the old Mandate and within the UNRWA camps between 1948 and 1997. The estimate is 13,000 dead. Death toll during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39 about 5,000. The 2d Intifada (post 1997) < 2,000. Figures floating about in re the Gaza operations since 2004 put the dead at around 4,000.


    That's about 35,000 dead over a period of 85 years. And they could have called it off a half-dozen times, but chose not to.

  222. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Nobody ever explains what precisely the Palestinians did to deserve such a fate.

    What 'fate'? They're a subset of the Levantine Arab population with notably unconstructive political goals. If they wanted some other set of circumstances than the one they have, they'd have worked toward them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…If they wanted some other set of circumstances than the one they have, they’d have worked toward them.’

    Something like the Jews of Poland and Eastern Europe, then?

  223. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    It wasn't just Norman Finkelstein.


    Daniel Pipes, who had initially praised the book prior to Finkelstein's analysis, subsequently stated that "From Time Immemorial quotes carelessly, uses statistics sloppily, and ignores inconvenient facts ... The author's linguistic and scholarly abilities are open to question ... In short, From Time Immemorial stands out as an appallingly crafted book."

     

    She was an advocacy journalist, not a scholar. If she had simply said that Palestine was a place of in-migration, and that some Arabs had migrated there, and that the so-called Palestinians didn't have a Palestinian national consciousness, that would have been unexceptionable. But she went way further than that.

    It's been a while since I read the book. Like Pipes, I *wanted* to believe what she wrote was true. So I can't remember exactly what you're referring to but I'll assume it's to do with the supposedly awful treatment of Jews in Islam.

    Geez, give it a rest, will you? Jewish life in Muslim countries was up and down, mostly not so bad. It got really bad after Zionism heated up because that coincided with rise of nationalist fascism in the Arab world. But stuff like this didn't help:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair


    As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.

     

    I can't bear to quote the rest. It was a horrible, cynical operation on the part of ideological fanatics who didn't care about "the Jews."

    And let's not get started on Suez, which Eisenhower, the last US president to have any sense whatever about the Middle East, thought was insane.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It wasn’t just Norman Finkelstein.

    He says, recycling a clip from Wikipedia. It’s not as if Pipes’ actual writing is inaccessible.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Art Deco

    http://www.danielpipes.org/1110/from-time-immemorial

  224. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    It wasn’t just Norman Finkelstein.

    He says, recycling a clip from Wikipedia. It's not as if Pipes' actual writing is inaccessible.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  225. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'The same thing the Copts did?'

    Even if we grant that the Copts are as relentlessly persecuted, harassed, dispossessed, abused, and simply murdered to the extent that Palestinians are -- which I doubt -- there remains a problem.

    Two wrongs do not make a right. Is it your position that Egypt's treatment of the Copts is a model to be followed?

    Or is it your position that the Palestinians are somehow responsible for Egypt's treatment of the Copts? You know, a great many of the Palestinians are Christians themselves -- or were. Israel's been somewhat more successful at driving the Christians out than she has the Muslims.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Even if we grant that the Copts are as relentlessly persecuted, harassed, dispossessed, abused, and simply murdered to the extent that Palestinians are — which I doubt — there remains a problem.

    They’re not persecuted at all, except in your imagination.

    The Jordanian border has been quiet for > 50 years. There’s a reason for that, and that’s that the Jordanian Army doesn’t have episodes where it unleashes artillery barrages on Jewish towns for sh!ts and giggles. If Hamas does not want to be decked every four years (wherein all of their artillery pieces are destroyed), they ought to come up with constructive projects and stop squandering UNRWA’s money on artillery.

    As for the West Bank, they have had other options than the current distribution of functions, patrols, and settlement zones. They rejected them all. Well, this is your last choice. The only oppressor is their own stupidity.

    https://necrometrics.com/warstat6.htm

    You can see an estimate of the tally of deaths (Arab and Jewish) within the old Mandate and within the UNRWA camps between 1948 and 1997. The estimate is 13,000 dead. Death toll during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39 about 5,000. The 2d Intifada (post 1997) < 2,000. Figures floating about in re the Gaza operations since 2004 put the dead at around 4,000.

    That's about 35,000 dead over a period of 85 years. And they could have called it off a half-dozen times, but chose not to.

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