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From ABC News:

CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak

A group of vaccinated beachgoers changed our knowledge of the delta variant.

ByAnne Flaherty andArielle Mitropoulos
July 29, 2021, 1:49 PM

A week after the crowds descended upon Provincetown, Massachusetts, to celebrate the Fourth of July — the holiday President Joe Biden hoped would mark the nation’s liberation from COVID-19 — the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of “a handful of positive COVID cases among folks” who spent time there. …

But within weeks, health officials seemed to be on to something much bigger. The outbreak quickly grew to the hundreds and most of them appeared to be vaccinated.

As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized.

That’s a low hospitalization rate, although I’m not sure if that’s just those from Massachusetts. Provincetown attracts many from outside the state: e.g., Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.

The initial findings of the investigation led by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, seemed to have huge implications.

Before Provincetown, health officials had been operating under the assumption that it was extraordinarily rare for a vaccinated person to become infected with the virus. And if they did, they probably wouldn’t end up passing it on to others, such as children too young to qualify for the vaccine or people who were medically vulnerable.

The idea that vaccines halt transmission of the virus was largely behind the CDC’s decision in May suggesting vaccinated people could safely go without their masks indoors and in crowds, even if others were unvaccinated.

But that assumption had been based on studies of earlier versions of the virus. Delta was known for its “hyper-transmissibility,” or as one former White House adviser put it “COVID on steroids.”

Strikingly, a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.” Provincetown is perhaps the gayest place in America. From KALW Public Media in the SF Bay Area:

Provincetown – The Gayest Little City in the World
KALW | By Eric Jansen
Published April 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM PDT

But you’re never supposed to mention anything involving gays transmitting infections while partying. After all, we now know that the AIDS epidemic in America was the fault of Ronald and, especially, Nancy Reagan, not the people who infected other people. Follow the Science!

 
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  1. We must never speak negatively of “minorities” in order to avoid “prejudice”.

    This iron clad media ethics regulation is documented in all detail by sincerity dot net.
    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.

    @Isteve and others fill in the omitted information, so we get a picture more close to the truth.

    With incomplete information come bad policy decisions and befuddlement with the unexpected, often deadly, outcomes.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @TruthRevolution.net


    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.
     
    Note that Peter Johnson agrees. As no doubt do his brothers Dick, Willie, and John Thomas.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    , @anon
    @TruthRevolution.net

    @Isteve and others fill in the omitted information

    hahaha. you're a funny guy.

    imagine the chutzpah it takes to have a $1+m a year mossad salary and still beg for money on the interwebs.

  2. I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    • Thanks: PaceLaw, J.Ross, Clyde
    • Replies: @Anon
    @ArthurinCali


    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco
     
    This makes me feel really old old. A guy wrote a class paper on something I lived through on a day-to-day basis in real time, reading articles in the newspaper as it developed, watching the news, following the progress of Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID), learning about "bath houses" and chuckling at newscasters struggling to report on them during prime time news shows when kids were watching, and finally visiting bookstores where the first printing, first edition of And the Band Played On were being arranged in display piles.

    Now I get to live through another plague while I watch a spectator-free Olympics take place miles from my big flat-panel television set. What a period of time I was born in. Lucky me.

    I watched Neil Armstrong step on the moon live on a black and white CRT television, which was much better than a plague.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @ArthurinCali

    "I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures"

    That sounds like it could be like an epitaph written on a tombstone for, say, oh i dunno... maybe a whole civilization?

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @ArthurinCali

    I will take it a step further:

    The alacrity with which the Reagan Administration’s HHS Department seized upon HIV as the sole driver of AIDS was very revealing.

    Better to blame a virus (one so innocuous that the overwhelming majority of people who were exposed to it suffered only mild symptoms) than to cast a light on the regular gay behaviors in NYC and SF “bathhouses.”

    After all, as the New York Times breathlessly informed us in 1983:

    “Medical detectives are calling it the century’s most virulent epidemic. It is as relentless as leukemia, as contagious as hepatitis, and its cause has eluded researchers for more than two years.
    Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or AIDS, was first seen in homosexual men - particularly those who were promiscuous - but it has now struck so many groups that its course cannot be predicted.”

    (Cue the scary music.)

    Ah yes, the good old NYT.

    Excitedly misinforming its readers about who’s truly NOT at risk during pandemics since 1983 . . .

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/06/magazine/aids-a-new-disease-s-deadly-odyssey.html

    , @Thomas
    @ArthurinCali

    Steve mentioned awhile ago in reviewing the Harvey Milk biopic with Sean Penn that the link between "gay liberation" that started in the Summer of '69 and the AIDS epidemic that was identified 12 years later (which meant it had been spreading during the Disco Era) has pretty much never been spoken aloud publicly. (Last month was the 40th anniversary of the CDC's first report of a cluster of rare fungal pneumonia cases in five homosexual men in Los Angeles. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/june_5.htm) Instead, guilt was transferred to the Reagans. I guess a word from Ron and Nancy was all the boys were waiting for to shut down the bathhouses, or something.

    , @guest
    @ArthurinCali

    They *were* an attack on the culture. Because the “culture” consisted largely of frequent anonymous sex in public.

    , @JimDandy
    @ArthurinCali

    Is submitting to mass-vaccination for Covid a healthy or unhealthy social behavior, in your opinion?

  3. Anonymous[437] • Disclaimer says:

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  4. Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was “telephoto”–but wait, that’s not three letters.

    By the way, Michael Anton name checked Steve, in a big piece at The American Mind last week, for coining “the war on noticing.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was “telephoto”–
     
    I remember this clever bit of fact-checking by Mr. Sailer last summer. I was thinking of that while we were the beach recently. It was packed, I mean packed, to where it did look like those telephoto shots, but, no, I was standing right there among everyone.

    There was nary a mask or freaked-out individual in sight. The air was hot, the water T was just right, and we had a blast.

    Anthony Fauci may still want us to pay attention to Season 3, but the heyday is OVER - you're not gonna get the viewers you had last season. Maybe there's a market for DVD's of the PanicFest in some Balkan country, I dunno...

    Replies: @Ganderson

    , @Tono Bungay
    @Anon

    By coincidence I just read Anton's article, which I heartily recommend: https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/

  5. The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i’ve learned about how my fellow humans behave that i’ve learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge … and it seems likely i’ll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak–and perhaps think–any interesting thought at all.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad

    Noticing is disallowed. Go to room 101.

    , @El Dato
    @AnotherDad

    Are we heading for mask apartheid in which only speakers of English are required to cover their faces?


    Coinciding with the Biden administration’s massive flip-flop on Covid protocol, which now requires that Americans – regardless of their vaccination status – go back to donning masks in public, Forbes published an article suggesting English speakers are the most pervasive super-spreaders of the coronavirus.

    The wobbly foundation for that theory is based on a 2003 scientific study that argues that the possible reason Americans traveling to China were infected by the SARS virus was because the English language is riddled with so-called “aspirated consonants” – spit-producing letters such as [p], [t], and [k], which are said to produce a lot of airborne droplets.

    ...

    This isn’t the first time that holding a conversation has been flagged as risky. Earlier this month, Australia’s Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant, after reporting a minor uptick in the number of Covid cases, shockingly advised people to end ‘small talk.’

    “So, even if you run into your next-door neighbor in the shopping center … don’t start up a conversation,” Chant said in a news conference. “Now’s the time for minimizing your interactions with others.”

    ...

    So, on two occasions in as many weeks, the vital function of communication through speech has come under scrutiny. That’s two times too many.
     

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @SafeNow
    @AnotherDad

    I like your “mute gray ooze” image. But I will propose, as an alternative metaphor, an analogy, “broadcasting in the blind.” Here is the Wikipedia entry:

    “A blind transmission, in telecommunications, is a transmission made without obtaining a receipt, or acknowledgment of reception, from the intended receiving station. Blind transmissions may occur or be necessary when security constraints, such as radio silence, are imposed, when technical difficulties with a sender's receiver or receiver's transmitter occur, or when lack of time precludes the delay caused by waiting for receipts.

    Examples

    In aviation it is common to "transmit in the blind" when an aircraft is approaching a non-towered airport. The pilot will broadcast his position and intentions over a common frequency. If no other aircraft are in the traffic pattern, the pilot continues to transmit his position in the blind in case another aircraft is in the area but unable to respond.[1]”

    , @Doctor Jeyi
    @AnotherDad

    Possibly germane to this thread and certainly so to Michael Anton's article is our new online ebook on Orwellian memory holing in SE Asia and the USA...

    It's now at the head of the scroll-down contents menu on our primary website...

    https://cultivateunderstanding.com

    , @Doctor Jeyi
    @AnotherDad

    Possibly germane to this thread and certainly so to Michael Anton’s article is our new online ebook on Orwellian memory holing in SE Asia and the USA…

    It’s now at the head of the scroll-down contents menu on our primary website…

    https://cultivateunderstanding.com

  6. @AnotherDad
    The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i've learned about how my fellow humans behave that i've learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge ... and it seems likely i'll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak--and perhaps think--any interesting thought at all.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @El Dato, @SafeNow, @Doctor Jeyi, @Doctor Jeyi

    Noticing is disallowed. Go to room 101.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • LOL: The Griffins
  7. Don’t worry iSteve, your beloved “transgender” Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Dumbo

    You are absolutely spot on! The transgender community is absolutely filled with insane and mentally unstable people!!! Why supposedly sane people insist on overlooking this fact is truly mind-boggling. Is it just for fear of being “cancelled“ that people deny the truth? If so, sad.

    Replies: @mc23, @Etruscan Film Star

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dumbo

    LOL

    Hand sanitizer, people! Use it liberally... all over ... instead of sunscreen ... or vaseline... We need dispensers up, ASAP ... in the restaurants, bars ... bathhouses.

    I don't want to have to shut down the beach again, like back when we had that big shark. "These Branch Covidians - they're either very, very smart ... or very very dumb."

    , @AceDeuce
    @Dumbo

    Wow. Dick(less) Levine strikes again.

    Semi-off topic: Why don't debutantes like going to orgies?

    Answer: All the thank-you notes that they have to write afterwards...

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    , @gent
    @Dumbo

    Call him his actual title: the jew, the sex pervert, the entity, Dr. Richard Levine. He also recommended young people start OnlyFans instead of having sex.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Morton's toes
    @Dumbo

    Didn't the guardian have a big article that butt sex wearing a face mask was safe?

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Dumbo

    "I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people."

    You just don't like good news, you ol' sourpuss!

    Rachel was likely one of the "secret sex society" in Philly.

    Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrgy!

    https://youtu.be/0R5ahlmQoBM

  8. > Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.
    > a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.”

    Ah!

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    Meanwhile: More rogue live data packets on the Internet of life.

    Looks like we have a backlog in training people’s immune system, and do those masks really work?

    Increased Interseasonal Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) Activity in Parts of the Southern United States

    RSV is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus (for those with fat brains: it’s not a Coronavirus)

    Summary

    [MORE]

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased interseasonal respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) activity across parts of the Southern United States. Due to this increased activity, CDC encourages broader testing for RSV among patients presenting with acute respiratory illness who test negative for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. RSV can be associated with severe disease in young children and older adults. This health advisory also serves as a reminder to healthcare personnel, childcare providers, and staff of long-term care facilities to avoid reporting to work while acutely ill – even if they test negative for SARS-CoV-2.

    Background

    RSV is an RNA virus of the genus Orthopneumovirus, family Pneumoviridae, primarily spread via respiratory droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and through direct contact with a contaminated surface. RSV is the most common cause of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children under one year of age in the United States. Infants, young children, and older adults with chronic medical conditions are at risk of severe disease from RSV infection. Each year in the United States, RSV leads to on average approximately 58,000 hospitalizations1 with 100-500 deaths among children younger than 5 years old2 and 177,000 hospitalizations with 14,000 deaths among adults aged 65 years or older.3

    ….

    CDC noted increases in laboratory detections and in the percentages of positive detections for both antigen and PCR testing in parts of HHS Region 4 (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee) and Region 6 (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas). Due to limited testing outside of the typical RSV season, data are limited in some jurisdictions and may be incomplete for the most recent weeks.

    Due to reduced circulation of RSV during the winter months of 2020–2021, older infants and toddlers might now be at increased risk of severe RSV-associated illness since they have likely not had typical levels of exposure to RSV during the past 15 months. In infants younger than six months, RSV infection may result in symptoms of irritability, poor feeding, lethargy, and/or apnea with or without fever. In older infants and young children, rhinorrhea and decreased appetite may appear one to three days before cough, often followed by sneezing, fever, and sometimes wheezing. Symptoms in adults are typically consistent with upper respiratory tract infections, including rhinorrhea, pharyngitis, cough, headache, fatigue, and fever. There is no specific treatment for RSV infection other than symptom management.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Frank McGar
    @El Dato


    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse.
     
    Some data nerds are pointing to the opposite being the case - that vaccination is more protective against getting covid, but once you get it the risks of severe illness are about the same (unless you're older than 65, in which case the vaccines seem to provide more protection against severe illness). I'm still not convinced either way, but this guy makes a compelling case:

    https://drrollergator.substack.com/p/damned-lies-and-vaccine-statistics

    Also this is the Pfizer study that was done on 40k + patients.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_home

    A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo.

    More BNT162b2 recipients than placebo recipients reported any adverse event (27% and 12%, respectively) or a related adverse event (21% and 5%).

    Among 36,523 participants who had no evidence of existing or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose were observed among vaccine recipients and 162 among placebo recipients.

    Two BNT162b2 recipients died (one from arteriosclerosis, one from cardiac arrest), as did four placebo recipients (two from unknown causes, one from hemorrhagic stroke, and one from myocardial infarction). No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo. No Covid-19–associated deaths were observed.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @El Dato


    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.
     
    I believe that, according to the CDC's latest guidelines, the vaccine will not prevent you from getting the virus, but if you do get it, the symptoms will be relatively mild (as indeed they are for many people who get the virus without having had the vaccine). So you won't have to go to the hospital. But when you do go to the hospitals, it will be in one of those hospitals with really sexy nurses and good food. But you won't die. And if you die, it will be one of those story-book like deaths of the kind you see in movies about beautiful young women or young athletes tragically dieing before their time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @vhrm
    @El Dato


    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse.
     
    And there's a mechanism that explains this that seems not to be discussed at all in the press: "mucosal immunity" vs "systemic immunity".

    The first is localized and what you get after you have asymptomatic or mild covid. Also probably controls whether and how much you spread it.

    The second is what you get when you have the vaccine or after serious covid and makes it less likely that you'll have serious covid again.

    Apparently they're mostly (though not entirely) independent of each other. So you can get serious covid after mild covid, e.g. if you get a big dose of virus that somehow goes deeper / gets to places the first one didn't. And also even if you're vaccinated you can get/give the virus if you've never had it.

    Not going to spam the whole thing here again but some sources in
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/im-getting-depressed-about-covid-again/#comment-4803144
    , @SaneClownPosse
    @El Dato

    If "Covid" doesn't get you, then "RSV" will.

    They are covering the bases as always, with false binary choices.

    Such as, who is better as a choice to run the nation, Billionaire backed Democrats or Billionaire backed Republicans?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  9. Damn, I thought it was JEW. I’ll be right most times, though.

  10. This is exactly why I love Unz.com, where the truth can be spoken frankly and honestly! Where else can certain favorite minority groups (gays, blacks, etc.) be criticized forthrightly for their objectively aberrant behavior? The LBTQ movement seems like an unstoppable dynamo these days, practically equal in power to BLM, if not surpassing them. After all, who can criticize a homo these days??? The homo has essentially reached black status in terms of being a sacred cow that no one can touch.

    Given black folks tendency for random violence and murder (which can’t be ignored or explained away but for so long), I predict that the LGBTQ community will surpass them in influence in the very near future.

    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @PaceLaw


    The homo has essentially reached black status in terms of being a sacred cow that no one can touch.
     
    I don't particularly care to touch them, to be honest.
    , @BLESTO-V
    @PaceLaw

    Thursday, I was in a law library in a relatively upscale county. A tall, slender black guy around 60 came in. In that typically belligerent tone he asked the librarian if they had any law books. The librarian, with heavy Greek accent, says sure we've got law books, what kind are you interested in? The guy says, "racial discrimination." Librarian says, well, our books aren't broken out by type of discrimination, what happened anyway? The guy says he was in Wal-Mart, and this time, unlike the other two times, they asked him to take his mask down. I had to leave, so I don't know how it turned out.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  11. @AnotherDad
    The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i've learned about how my fellow humans behave that i've learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge ... and it seems likely i'll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak--and perhaps think--any interesting thought at all.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @El Dato, @SafeNow, @Doctor Jeyi, @Doctor Jeyi

    Are we heading for mask apartheid in which only speakers of English are required to cover their faces?

    [MORE]

    Coinciding with the Biden administration’s massive flip-flop on Covid protocol, which now requires that Americans – regardless of their vaccination status – go back to donning masks in public, Forbes published an article suggesting English speakers are the most pervasive super-spreaders of the coronavirus.

    The wobbly foundation for that theory is based on a 2003 scientific study that argues that the possible reason Americans traveling to China were infected by the SARS virus was because the English language is riddled with so-called “aspirated consonants” – spit-producing letters such as [p], [t], and [k], which are said to produce a lot of airborne droplets.

    This isn’t the first time that holding a conversation has been flagged as risky. Earlier this month, Australia’s Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant, after reporting a minor uptick in the number of Covid cases, shockingly advised people to end ‘small talk.’

    “So, even if you run into your next-door neighbor in the shopping center … don’t start up a conversation,” Chant said in a news conference. “Now’s the time for minimizing your interactions with others.”

    So, on two occasions in as many weeks, the vital function of communication through speech has come under scrutiny. That’s two times too many.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @El Dato

    Ireland shut down Catholic Masses, communion and confirmation. Funerals and weddings were limited to a handful of attendees. They are talking about shutting them all down again an a reaction to the Delta variant, this time with some pushback.
    Meanwhile, the muslim worshippers in the mosques in Dublin went about their worship entirely unimpeded throughout the whole pandemic.
    You won’t find that in any newspapers in Ireland nor anywhere else. Nor will you find the details on the “gangs of youths” that so often administer beatings or rob stores.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @El Dato

    Thanks, El Dato. It's disgusting in its stupidity, but it will make a good blog post topic.

  12. All quiet on the Swedish Front, for now:

    Mask-free Sweden nears zero daily Covid deaths as chief epidemiologist warns against ‘far-reaching conclusions’ about Delta strain

    As the CDC urges Americans to mask up against the Delta variant, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist has argued that more data is needed about the strain’s infectiousness. His mask-free nation is hovering at zero Covid deaths per day.

    Anders Tegnell said on Friday that there was “a lot we do not know” about Delta and cautioned against drawing “far-reaching conclusions” about the coronavirus strain. He noted that the variant had been circulating in Sweden “for quite some time” with little effect, particularly in high-risk settings such as nursing homes.

    In separate remarks, he pointed to the fact that one-third of the country’s municipalities reported zero new Covid cases over the past week. At the same time, there was an uptick in cases among young people in Stockholm and other large cities.

    Also OT but … Who you gonna call? White Russians!

    Biden’s DOJ sues Texas over order restricting migrant transportation as Gov. Abbott claims ‘constitutional crisis’

    Attorney General Merrick Garland has sued Texas, seeking to block and annul an executive order by Republican Governor Greg Abbott that outlawed the transportation of migrants who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @El Dato


    Who you gonna call? White Russians!
     
    Call them, but don't call them that. Even if the Germans, Danes, Norwegians, Finns, Hungarians and Balts still do.

    They're not ones to minsk words!








    Does the word “Belarus” translate as “White Russia”?



    https://mobile.twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1172608255526395912
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @El Dato

    It is not really clear that the Texas law is aimed at Covid-19 safety.

    Does Texas have mandatory quarantine for people entering from Mexico or from other states of the Union?

    It is certainly true that if the United States really wanted to prevent and discourage illegal immigrants, it would interdict vans with blacked out windows, which you can frequently see in Florida on the interstate highways, and which are presumably transporting illegal migrant workers to the citrus groves.

    But then the United States would also demand proper verification of social security numbers for all hiring if it was at all serious about dealing with illegal immigration and the people who employed illegal immigrants.

    Never mind the damn wall along the border with Mexico, there were all kinds of things that Trump could have done if he was an effective leader and legislator, but he was all talk and no action, wasn't he?

    Replies: @gda53

  13. Given the timing and specific mention of Sully, I’d bet money Steve was listening to Bob and Mickey!!

  14. I guessed the word was “fag”, close .

  15. I had the exact same thought when I read the NYT account of the outbreak…the identity of the Ptown people was oddly absent. Now, if the outbreak had been in connection with a Baptist church convention or a big gun show or motorcycle rally, full details would have been provided.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Yes--the bias is as much in what is NOT reported, as in what is reported. If not more.

  16. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    You are absolutely spot on! The transgender community is absolutely filled with insane and mentally unstable people!!! Why supposedly sane people insist on overlooking this fact is truly mind-boggling. Is it just for fear of being “cancelled“ that people deny the truth? If so, sad.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @PaceLaw

    It is only six years since the US Supreme Court legalized Gay Marriage and it took around two years after that for the transgender craze to kick in. When Steve started talking about "World Would T" coming up I thought that's a stretch. Unfortunately he was dead tight.

    Think of it, in 4-6 years every document, web page etc. was changed to normalize Transgenderism even though the vast majority of people didn't take it seriously. At least half of the current supporters changed their beliefs and opinions due to propaganda and social pressure in a very short period of time on fundamental matter of humanity.

    The Nazis would be envious of this success.

    , @Etruscan Film Star
    @PaceLaw


    The transgender community is absolutely filled with insane and mentally unstable people!!! Why supposedly sane people insist on overlooking this fact is truly mind-boggling.
     
    Only transgender? Look at the video of the Provincetown crowd @7/31, 6:45 am. (You might want to knock back a stiff drink before watching.)

    Few if any trannies, just pathetically twisted gays. I don't think all poofters are like this -- or is this how they behave only with large groups of their coevals (or co-evils)? No doubt any of them being interviewed by a straight reporter would say something like, "Why are we persecuted for what we do in our own bedrooms? We just want to marry and raise kids like non-gays do!"
  17. Cases cases cases!!!!… there’s another word missing in this whole delta farce: deaths! The covid death numbers haven’t budged, although “cases” continue to rise, thus the media’s incessant case count.

    The propaganda narratives are starting to overlap.

    • Agree: Bugg, photondancer
    • Thanks: donut
  18. The low hospitalisation rates were both for vaxxed and unvaxxed homosexuals. In fact they were slightly worse for the vaxxed tube smokers. The delta variant is much more transmissible but much less virulent. This has NOTHING to do with the vaccines.

    So far the only thing real about the vaccines are the side effects. There is no evidence that they are effective. The 99% dead unvaxxed narrative was as ignorant as any mainstream race stats. They started counting at the beginning of 2021, when the vax factories opened. It takes at least 6-8 weeks to produce a fully vaxxed specimen. The vast majority of deaths occurred in Jan and Feb of 2021, when virtually no one was vaxxed. They levelled off as April started when perhaps less than 10% of the population was vaxxed. Are people really falling for this con game?

    Soon the current vaxxes will get thrown under the bus and all the vax suckers will get locked into lifetime boosters. Fear of mutant variants and of ADE will mean ALL vaxxed must get boosters every six months. This is fine for boomer oldsters and the obese but for Goodwhite 12 year olds to be condemned to a life of boosters, and all the side effects that go with them?

    They are trying to wipe out the control group of unvaxxed but this will fail. Every tick up in vaxxed percentage point will take an increasing amount of energy and coercion. The law of diminishing returns means in the end there will be a healthy control group of unvaxxed to prove the inefficiency of the coming boosters.

  19. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    LOL

    Hand sanitizer, people! Use it liberally… all over … instead of sunscreen … or vaseline… We need dispensers up, ASAP … in the restaurants, bars … bathhouses.

    I don’t want to have to shut down the beach again, like back when we had that big shark. “These Branch Covidians – they’re either very, very smart … or very very dumb.”

  20. Key West, Florida may be a contender for “gayest little city” with Provincetown, Mass. I have been to both, but it’s been over 20 years. They are both really nice geographic locations. I guess to settle this question, people are voting with their feet , no not “feet”. What’s the 5-letter word I’m looking for?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    , @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Key West seems like a nightmare to get into (and out of).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  21. And lest anyone get the misconception that only gay vaxxed can pozz themselves, here is the story of the very straight Australian “celebrity” who pozzed at least 60 “mostly” vaxxed people in Los Angeles recently. Presumably he was hanging out at straight parties.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9805411/Anthony-Hess-spreads-Delta-Covid-strain-sixty-people-single-weekend-Los-Angeles.html

  22. There has been a nine letter word missing from almost all official discussions since January 2020:

    Evolution

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844701/SAGE-Covid-variant-kill-one-three-people.html

    Rapid attainment of herd immunity by May 2020 was the only way to avoid the real danger: MERS-2, but everyone either didn’t understand enough biology to see that, or they were pushing an economic agenda. Fools.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Bert

    The evolutionary situation explained by master teachers.

    https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Vaccines-driving-new-variants:9

    , @Elli
    @Bert

    But wouldn't the virus have nearly as many opportunities to mutate and evolve, whether 4 billion people catch it in a short period of time, or extend the time?

    The longer time allows specific challenges that drive evolution, like vaccines and medications, but the viruses' random enjoyment of 4 billion naive immune systems, and billions of potential animal systems will give opportunities in plenty.

    Replies: @Bert, @Bert

  23. @Achmed E. Newman
    Key West, Florida may be a contender for "gayest little city" with Provincetown, Mass. I have been to both, but it's been over 20 years. They are both really nice geographic locations. I guess to settle this question, people are voting with their feet , no not "feet". What's the 5-letter word I'm looking for?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    Don’t leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or Ann Arbor or East Grand Rapids. And back to the Sunshine State, Wilton Manors is much gayer than Key West these days.

    Once, a couple decades ago when I was a different man, I picked up a hot stripper in Key West. A buddy picked up another one and then the four of us did what any other heterosexuals did back then and went on a homo safari. Our strippers were working locally and knew the spots to hit. My one time walking through a queer bar and it was educational enough for my lifetime and more. These are some seriously sick and deranged men - they should never be allowed within 20’ of a child (that’s social distancing done right!)

    Replies: @BLESTO-V

    , @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar


    Saugatuck, Michigan
     
    Is its nickname "S'uck"?
    , @profnasty
    @Reg Cæsar

    Let's do the math. (I said mAth.)
    80% of legal immigrants are men.
    90% of illegal immigrants are men.
    20 years X 2 Million = 35 million extra men in US (literally).
    Add on Jewish media touting miscegenation, and VIOLA, male cocksuckers.
    As easy as 1-2-3.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @mmack
    @Reg Cæsar

    Shows you how oblivious I am. The Lovely ☺️ Mrs. and I have visited Saugatuck, MI and I completely missed that vibe. Enjoyed some beers at Saugatuck Brewing, went to The Wild Dog restaurant in Douglas, MI and never picked up on it.

    Does explain the rainbow flags 🏳️‍🌈 flying off of some of the stores though. I mentioned this to the Mrs. and she set me “straight” on Saugatuck you might say.

    I did figure out them roller derby girls were lesbians when we crashed their after game party though, so I ain’t COMPLETELY oblivious.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  24. If this is true, it seems like sort of a big deal.

    • Replies: @gda53
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The MOST any vaccine mutates is by 0.3%.

    This is utter BS.

  25. @Anon
    Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was "telephoto"--but wait, that's not three letters.

    By the way, Michael Anton name checked Steve, in a big piece at The American Mind last week, for coining "the war on noticing."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Tono Bungay

    Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was “telephoto”–

    I remember this clever bit of fact-checking by Mr. Sailer last summer. I was thinking of that while we were the beach recently. It was packed, I mean packed, to where it did look like those telephoto shots, but, no, I was standing right there among everyone.

    There was nary a mask or freaked-out individual in sight. The air was hot, the water T was just right, and we had a blast.

    Anthony Fauci may still want us to pay attention to Season 3, but the heyday is OVER – you’re not gonna get the viewers you had last season. Maybe there’s a market for DVD’s of the PanicFest in some Balkan country, I dunno…

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Masking has made a big comeback in my moonbat college town (Department of Redundancy Department); it’s only a matter of time before indoor masking will be required, followed by an outdoor masking requirement. Many other Massachusetts towns in the “coalition of the moonbats” (P-town, Cambridge, Brookline, and soon, Northampton) have reintroduced mask requirements, and our local school administration has stated that while school will be open in the fall, all students and staff will be required to wear masks regardless of vaccine status. I guess the tin foil hatters are right, the vaccine doesn’t work, that’s why we have to wear masks. But you better get the COVID 9 Vactine, as Slow Joe put it.

    (I think I just set some kind of record for the number of times using the term ‘mask’ in a paragraph)

    Oh, and I’d lay some odds that the Dead and Company show at Citi Field on 20 August that I have tix for will not be happening. On the other hand, if the show does go on I’ll be interested in hearing “Brown-Eyed Women” sung through a face diaper.

    And another thing: I flew earlier in the week, and in the airports and on the planes they kept yammering on about how Federal law requires that masks be on at all times, except when one is actually depositing food into one’s yap. Take a bite or drink, put the mask back on. Is it really a law, passed by a legislative body and signed by an executive; or is it, as I suspect, a directive from the CDC or FAA, or an executive order from a governor, or the Dementia Patient in Chief?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @additionalMike, @BLESTO-V

  26. “Islam is right about…” is an opening phrase I find myself thinking more and more.

    It’s not right about everything and has overall been a negative force, but in a Western world lacking in any overarching moral code, respect for tradition and in any sense of the divine, it is not hard to see the attraction.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @gda53
    @Cloudbuster

    Sure, pick the most cultish "religion" to move your trust to.

    You do realize that their "respect for tradition" is code for "if you say anything bad about Muhammed, who liked little girls and was basically a pedophile and mass murderer, we will kill you"

    Great choice.

    , @Etruscan Film Star
    @Cloudbuster


    [Islam]’s not right about everything and has overall been a negative force, but in a Western world lacking in any overarching moral code, respect for tradition and in any sense of the divine, it is not hard to see the attraction.
     
    There's plenty wrong with Islam as often practiced, but you are right. I'd have a hard time defending Western "civilization" to a sincerely devout Muslim. If the Muslim world could blow off its own fanatics and crackpots, it could be a rescue remedy for what ails us.
  27. Seven hospitalizations?

    That’s…that’s even worse than a serious auto accident. We should shut down the whole planet all over again.

    This goes on until we stop it. That’s what I’ve always said.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Colin Wright

    Ron, I specifically requested a "• Fuckin A!" tag! Hello, McUnz?!

  28. The news is not really getting out that the recent increase in cases is more due to the ineffectiveness of the vaccines, as the ABC news article above shows, rather than the increased transmission rates from the Delta variant. Biden just announced that all federal government workers will need to be vaccinated. After they are all vaccinated it will then eventually be discovered that didn’t stop disease transmission. I think our political leaders may even suspect that already since they have put back in place mask requirements, another ineffective way to stop transmission, for the already vaccinated in government offices.

    I am especially dismayed by this because I work for the federal government and it doesn’t sound like there will be any exceptions allowed. I just had Covid in June and have natural immunity. Natural immunity probably is as effective and long lasting as vaccine immunity so I will have to get vaccinated and expose myself to possible side effects from the vaccines for little benefit. A Harvard study showed that the VAERS system used by the government to track side effects is under counting numbers of people with negative side effects from the vaccines.

    All the economically destructive lockdowns, mask mandates and now workplace vaccine mandates are being done for a disease that 99.8% of people under the age of 65 recover from. The vaccines may be helpful for elderly people but workplace vaccine mandates primarily are imposed on younger people since most older people have retired.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mark G.

    Take your bug juice tax eater.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  29. There’s a three letter acronym missing from the story: ADE … Antibody-Dependent Enhancement. The new ADEs.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  30. I think I saw a study in Nature, “Immunosuppressive externalities of doing heaps of crack and poppers and staying awake for three days getting your asshole ploughed by thirty different dudes”

  31. @Anon
    Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was "telephoto"--but wait, that's not three letters.

    By the way, Michael Anton name checked Steve, in a big piece at The American Mind last week, for coining "the war on noticing."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Tono Bungay

    By coincidence I just read Anton’s article, which I heartily recommend: https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/

  32. @Bert
    There has been a nine letter word missing from almost all official discussions since January 2020:

    Evolution

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844701/SAGE-Covid-variant-kill-one-three-people.html

    Rapid attainment of herd immunity by May 2020 was the only way to avoid the real danger: MERS-2, but everyone either didn't understand enough biology to see that, or they were pushing an economic agenda. Fools.

    Replies: @Bert, @Elli

    The evolutionary situation explained by master teachers.

    https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Vaccines-driving-new-variants:9

  33. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.
     
    Think of it as a vaccine. We are cowpox, not smallpox.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  34. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco

    This makes me feel really old old. A guy wrote a class paper on something I lived through on a day-to-day basis in real time, reading articles in the newspaper as it developed, watching the news, following the progress of Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID), learning about “bath houses” and chuckling at newscasters struggling to report on them during prime time news shows when kids were watching, and finally visiting bookstores where the first printing, first edition of And the Band Played On were being arranged in display piles.

    Now I get to live through another plague while I watch a spectator-free Olympics take place miles from my big flat-panel television set. What a period of time I was born in. Lucky me.

    I watched Neil Armstrong step on the moon live on a black and white CRT television, which was much better than a plague.

  35. Last Summer I was working with a guy who house-shared with a gay man. He said that as soon as the lockdown was lifted he booked a flight to Barcelona and ended up catching Covid from a bloke he shagged there.

    It did bring home to me how the whole AIDS thing came about.

    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @al gore rhythms


    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.
     
    At one point last year, official-dumb were telling people who were hooking up to prefer doggy style and wear masks while in the act. The only thing missing from the official advice was to open the windows or do it outdoors, which is pretty much the only advice that really would have made sense.

    Now that I think about it, with the Spike Proteins showing up in reproductive organs, people ought to start advertising their un-vaxxed status on the “dating” apps.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @al gore rhythms


    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.
     
    Mr. Rhythms, let me make it clear that the Flu Manchu is an Equal Opportunity Infector. It will not discriminate against "different" orifices.

    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @JimDandy

    , @Polemos
    @al gore rhythms

    Not often reported or acknowledged: SARS-COV-2 viral shedding occurs in the intestines and remains detectable longer in feces than through respiration/nasal swabs. You can test negative on a nose swab but poz for a rectal one.

    Articles that plopped out from the search using 'SARS-COV-2 viral shedding feces' but you can run your own with similar terms:

    "Prolonged viral shedding in feces of pediatric patients with coronavirus disease 2019"
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32276848/

    "Shedding of SARS-CoV-2 in feces and urine and its potential role in person-to-person transmission and the environment-based spread of COVID-19"
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32836117/

    "Infectious SARS-CoV-2 in Feces of Patient with Severe COVID-19"
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-0681_article


    Isolation of infectious SARS-CoV-2 in feces indicates the possibility of fecal–oral transmission or fecal–respiratory transmission through aerosolized feces. During the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome pandemic, 329 residents of a private housing estate in Hong Kong were infected; 42 died (10). Investigation of the building’s structure showed that faulty sewage pipelines led to aerosolization of contaminated feces, which was believed to be the source of infection.
     
    These articles suggest it's difficult to transmit through the fecal route, but prolonged exposure to an infected, shedding anus, or to bathrooms where aerosolized fecal matter blooms from toilets and plumbing venting, probably increases the likelihood (all about the load).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  36. This post and the predictable comments are a cope,* gathering like insecure adolescents to mock a group of people you’re not associated with and nevermind the import of the story, which is that use of the Pfizer, etc., products did not prevent

    (1) infection,

    (2) transmission, or

    (3) symptoms, at least to the extent claimed based on the initial studies informing the governmental authorization of emergency use.

    What makes you think that the reported infections/transmissions/symptoms were caused uniquely by the sexuality or associated activities of these people? Are you unaware that 1, 2, and 3 are reportedly happening otherwise? Think about it.

    ———

    *See also, whimming comments like mine.

  37. I don’t really see what being gay has to do with it…unless gays make out with strangers at house parties on the regular (maybe they do?)

    2 weeks ago I was forced to go to a house party where two dozen plus people were crammed in. The music was so loud you had to lean in to talk to people…so basically head by head.

    People stayed until 5 am partying…drugs being done in the children’s bedroom I heard

    I left at 10pm after my presence had been noted.

    I’m not sure how Gays Party Any Differently?

    I didn’t catch anything, nor did I hear of anyone catching anything.

    • Replies: @George Taylor
    @Thoughts


    I’m not sure how Gays Party Any Differently
     
    There's no such thing as a hetrosexual bathhouse, enough said.
  38. Steve hasn’t noted to my recollection the media obliqueness about the initial outbreak in the US being the Orthodox enclave in the New York town of New Rochelle. (For obvious reasons of their social practices being very conductive to the spreading of respiratory diseases) Early on people were confused as to why cases in NYC were so over the place. I noticed and most of the weird places were Orthodox enclaves. Even the first case in Kansas was in an Orthodox enclave in a suburb of Kansas City from somebody who’d visited relatives in New Rochelle. The first cases in NYC were Orthodox commuters from New Rochelle.

    The AIPAC case too was from delegates from New Rochelle.

    And, needless to say the eventual high profile actions of the Orthodox in NYC meant that even Cuomo actually stopped using euphemisms.

    One of the biggest stories early on was the eventual army shutdown of the town of New Rochelle (The residents couldn’t even go out to get their own food for a time, the military brought it to your door) and despite it being straight out of a Hollywood film, the media was very coy about covering it because of the risk of people noticing things.

    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. ‘Westchester’ really means New Rochelle.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Altai


    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. ‘Westchester’ really means New Rochelle.
     
    More high jinks from Rob and Laura Petrie no doubt that they didn’t want to blame on Carl.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @utu
    @Altai

    Congregation Zero: The First Synagogue in America That Got Hit With COVID
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-in-america-s-first-covid-epicenter-how-the-virus-helped-unite-the-jewish-community-1.9589813

    National Guard Arrives to Help Residents in New Rochelle Containment Zone
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/03/13/national-guard-arrives-to-help-residents-in-new-rochelle-containment-zone

  39. When I studied in Boston Provincetown seemed like a great place to take a day trip to by boat, I was prepared to put up with it being ten or twenty percent gay, but when I was told it was over ninety I decided to give it a pass.

    The vaccines are pretty useless against the Delta variant, so I don’t think this a factor anyway. Besides the Delta variant is mild anyway.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1421143594870714370?s=20

    • Replies: @Travis
    @LondonBob

    While it does appear that the Delta variant is more mild it is hard to know for sure, since most of the cases are under the age of 50 and would face little risk of death from any known variants.

    The latest hospitalization data from the CDC indicates that 45% of those hospitalized over the past two weeks are under the age of 50 and 55% are over the age of 49. Back in January 79% of those hospitalized were over the age of 49.

    So this new variant is will appear less deadly, since fewer elderly are getting sick (probably since more of them are vaccinated). Also most of the susceptible elderly already died from COVID last year.

    In July 2020 over 10,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 75% were over 50
    in July 2021 just under 2,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 55% were over 50

    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @LondonBob

    , @Jack D
    @LondonBob

    The IFR of Covid is HIGHLY dependent on age, more than almost any other disease (I suppose flu comes close). For little kids, it's almost zero. For the very elderly, it can be as high as 15%. In an unvaccinated nursing home, Covid is the Black Death. So unless you adjust for age, doing pre and post vaccine comparisons of IFR is worthless because the elderly have been vaccinated at much higher rates than young people (and kids under 12 have not been vaccinated at all). Even if there was no new variant, the IFR of Covid would have been dropping right along with the average age of the victims. Likewise India is not a useful model because their life expectancy is 69 years - most Indians are dead of other causes before they hit the age where Covid becomes highly deadly.

    So this "smarter than the CDC data junkie" has made a gross statistical error. For all I know, he really is a smart guy, but a fatal error in science (and in police work and in everything else) is reaching your conclusion first and then looking for data to support it. I see almost 100% of anti-vaxxers doing this. Drug trials have elaborate double blinds precisely for this reason.

  40. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    Wow. Dick(less) Levine strikes again.

    Semi-off topic: Why don’t debutantes like going to orgies?

    Answer: All the thank-you notes that they have to write afterwards…

    • LOL: Mike_from_SGV
    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @AceDeuce

    How do you know he chopped it off? Levine is a mere shrink whose expertise was teenage eating disorders. My money is Big Dickie was a patient fiddler, and when caught used the "man trapped in a woman's body" excuse. Aww.... Also my money is on everything is intact on this hateful man and he still fiddles with the young. Finally a reminder Dick pulled his 90 something mama out of a nursing home before polluting it with Covid patients. There will never be justice for the nursing home stealth murders of 2020.

  41. @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    “I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures”

    That sounds like it could be like an epitaph written on a tombstone for, say, oh i dunno… maybe a whole civilization?

  42. @AnotherDad
    The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i've learned about how my fellow humans behave that i've learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge ... and it seems likely i'll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak--and perhaps think--any interesting thought at all.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @El Dato, @SafeNow, @Doctor Jeyi, @Doctor Jeyi

    I like your “mute gray ooze” image. But I will propose, as an alternative metaphor, an analogy, “broadcasting in the blind.” Here is the Wikipedia entry:

    “A blind transmission, in telecommunications, is a transmission made without obtaining a receipt, or acknowledgment of reception, from the intended receiving station. Blind transmissions may occur or be necessary when security constraints, such as radio silence, are imposed, when technical difficulties with a sender’s receiver or receiver’s transmitter occur, or when lack of time precludes the delay caused by waiting for receipts.

    Examples

    In aviation it is common to “transmit in the blind” when an aircraft is approaching a non-towered airport. The pilot will broadcast his position and intentions over a common frequency. If no other aircraft are in the traffic pattern, the pilot continues to transmit his position in the blind in case another aircraft is in the area but unable to respond.[1]”

  43. When I first heard of Provincetown being the epicenter I wondered if now Covid would be classified as an STD.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Mark in BC

    There was a large outbreak of meningococcal meningitis in LA in 2017 among gay men, yet public health officials, when interviewed, feigned ignorance why it was striking this group. I wondered at the time if Meningicoccus might eventually be considered an STD.

  44. A CDC report https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7005a1.htm “Sexual Orientation Disparities in Risk Factors for Adverse COVID-19–Related Outcomes, by Race/Ethnicity — Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, United States, 2017–2019” says “Sexual minority persons in the United States have higher self-reported prevalences of several underlying health conditions associated with severe outcomes from COVID-19 than do heterosexual persons, both in the overall population and among racial/ethnic minority groups.”

    So straight partiers are less at risk than homosexual partiers at Provincetown.

    We have a deadly epidemic and a leftist president likely because of a Chinese bioweapon, and now many schoolchildren will be required to mask up because of the behavior of homosexuals. Great.

  45. • Replies: @MGB
    @Desiderius

    Yes. So who made the right decision? Magic Johnson or Rudolf Nureyev? Fauci should be burned at the stake.

    , @Ralph L
    @Desiderius

    You mean Fauci went off half-cocked?

    , @Ganderson
    @Desiderius

    Fauci also told me I (100% hetero male) was going to contract AIDS by 1990. I don’t recall doing so, and I think I’d have remembered that. AZT killed a lot of people.

    The Coronadoom is the second political/medical panic of my lifetime; the first was AIDS. The response to AIDS was the first indication that gays not only were not discriminated against any more, they were sacred objects. Although our homosexual brethren are going to have to work harder to keep up with the trannies in the sacralization department.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @InnerCynic
    @Desiderius

    Good God almighty! It never ceases. And wasn't there some woman doctor who has railed against Fauci and his demented doings ever since those days?

  46. @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    I will take it a step further:

    The alacrity with which the Reagan Administration’s HHS Department seized upon HIV as the sole driver of AIDS was very revealing.

    Better to blame a virus (one so innocuous that the overwhelming majority of people who were exposed to it suffered only mild symptoms) than to cast a light on the regular gay behaviors in NYC and SF “bathhouses.”

    After all, as the New York Times breathlessly informed us in 1983:

    “Medical detectives are calling it the century’s most virulent epidemic. It is as relentless as leukemia, as contagious as hepatitis, and its cause has eluded researchers for more than two years.
    Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or AIDS, was first seen in homosexual men – particularly those who were promiscuous – but it has now struck so many groups that its course cannot be predicted.”

    (Cue the scary music.)

    Ah yes, the good old NYT.

    Excitedly misinforming its readers about who’s truly NOT at risk during pandemics since 1983 . . .

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/06/magazine/aids-a-new-disease-s-deadly-odyssey.html

    • Agree: ArthurinCali
  47. SO, the China virus came in through the back door.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  48. Watch “The Gift,” but be aware there is obscene material. tldr it is actually forbidden, a point of etiquette, penalized with ostracism/celibacy, for a homosexual to attempt to take basic safety precautions, on the grounds that this would offend the feelings of his partners.

  49. So it’s not really a vaccine.

    Government saying mask up, even if vaccinated (sic), is prima facie evidence that we really don’t have a vaccine.

    Also, that we don’t have much of a government, either.

    ‘74% of them were fully immunized’

    What definition of ‘immunized’ are they using?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Gamecock

    The health authorities don’t know themselves what “fully immunized” means. They’re just making it up as they go along. If they are fully immunized, why did they get the disease?

    Lies lies and more lies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  50. Ah, but Steve, you haven’t informed your readers about the worst prospect. The simple, morally-satisfying narrative of Vaccinated = good person, Unvaxed = bad person/spreader is bankrupt.

    The tables have turned and those of us who said all along, “Well, the likelihood of this leaky vaccine causing a truly deadly epidemic is high so therefore the correct course is to NOT get the vaccination and let our natural immunity protect us. Some of us will die–and I am in a high risk category because of my age–nevertheless, in light of the common good, I’ll take my chances and let the cards fall where they may.

    The right thing to do at this point would seem to be to stop developing new vaccines in response to each new variant that comes down the pike. We’ll just have to let the thing run its course and wind down. As virtually every competent virologist has said, left to themselves, most viruses attenuate. Anyway, here’s the quote and a follow up from Wiki on what “leaky vaccine” means and the consequences.

    From a comment by gay troll in Gregory Hood’s article Why People Don’t Trust “The Science”.

    COVID deaths and cases started plummeting as soon as Biden was inaugurated. They dropped some 80% by the time only 15% of Americans were fully jabbed. Even if the pandemic curve was spoofed during the election and lame duck period to monger fear, we should still expect the pandemic to end sooner or later. That’s what epidemics do: they break out, form a curve, and then disappear. Their disappearance is due to the twin forces of natural selection and immune development. The tendency of any germ in a human population is to evolve towards greater transmissibility and lower mortality. At that point it may or may not become endemic. There are already four endemic human coronaviruses.

    This kind of evolution is exactly what we have observed with Delta. It is more contagious and less lethal. The sharp rise in cases attributed to Delta has not been matched by a corresponding rise in deaths. The data shows than on an average per-case basis, Delta is 10-25 times less deadly than the original COVID. This would all be great, except for one thing. Half the population has now been inoculated with a leaky vaccine.

    Anyone with a basic knowledge of virology could have seen this coming. It was always considered common wisdom that there can be no vaccine for the common cold (30% of which are caused by endemic coronaviruses) because single strand RNA viruses mutate so rapidly. Even if the jabs offered sufficient protection against infection from the original COVID strain (hint: they did not) it is entirely predictable that a new strain would arise and devalue the vaccine. Israel said recently that the jabs are only 39% effective at protecting against infection from Delta. Today the CDC said the jabbed are “3 fold” more protected against infection from Delta. That implies a mere 67% efficacy at preventing infection.

    There has been much ado about the jabs being depopulation tools that will kill or sterilize the jabbed. Recognize this for what it is: a propagandist fantasy. Many have rightly pointed out that it would make no sense for TPTB to cull the compliant and spare the non compliant. Enter the leaky vaccine. As a study of Marek’s disease in chickens claims, vaccinating half of a population with a leaky vaccine has a predictable effect. If a very “hot” version of the virus is released into such a population, the vaxxed birds will survive the infection longer, allowing them to spread it more widely. As a result, instead of burning itself out, the hot virus will spread throughout the whole population. In the study it killed ALL the unvaccinated chickens.
    Think of Ebola. Ebola outbreaks tend to be short lived, because the virus is so lethal, it burns itself out quickly. Now imagine half of an African village being given a leaky vaccine for Ebola. It might be 95% effective at reducing severe symptoms, but in the event of an outbreak, the vaxxed will be able to spread the disease to all the unvaxxed. Not the other way around.

    Of course, COVID is far less lethal than Ebola. But the principle remains. We shouldn’t expect a super deadly version of COVID to pop out of nowhere, unless of course it is all part of a biowarfare operation. In that case TPTB can release a super deadly COVID variant, and thanks to the leaky vaccine vectors, the variant will spread far and wide and kill everyone who is not jabbed.

    I will remain un jabbed and I am not suggesting that anyone run out to get the vaccine to spare themselves from death. But I do suggest that we all be prepared to die a horrible death at the hands of a bio weapon, with a bunch of compliant Karens standing over our graves, laughing and saying “We told you so”. It is entirely possible to be both right and dead.

    From Wikipedia, on “leaky vaccines”

    Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek’s is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek’s disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek’s disease was quite low. Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken’s body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens.

    The Marek’s disease vaccine is a “leaky vaccine”, which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented.[12] Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains.[13] The vaccine’s inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine.

    The evolution of Marek’s disease due to vaccination has had a profound effect on the poultry industry. All chickens across the globe are now vaccinated against Marek’s disease (birds hatched in private flocks for laying or exhibition are rarely vaccinated). Highly virulent strains have been selected to the point that any chicken that is unvaccinated will die if infected.[14] Other leaky vaccines are commonly used in agriculture. One vaccine in particular is the vaccine for avian influenza. Leaky vaccine use for avian influenza can select for virulent strains.[15]

    • Replies: @BB753
    @ThreeCranes

    I suspect that the "leaky vaccine" effect is not a bug but a feature of NRA messenger vaccines. They weren't designed to stop a virus but to prevent it from ever leaving the scene and to create endless mutations, so as to ensure populations will need shots all their lives. It's a perfect business model: Big Pharma is reimbursed of the costs of research and can even skip protocol and try out their vaccines on the population at large with no accountability; any death or mishap can be blamed on the virus or any other cause; worldwide sales assured because all medical authorities and media are on their pay-roll; a never-ending supply of sickly, brain-washed and inmuno-supressed patients to jab who won't live long-enough to make a fuss about the vaccines. It's a win-win.
    The forever pandemic.

    , @ivan
    @ThreeCranes

    Thank you. Those who prattle on about "following the science", such as Pelosi and Biden won't know "science" if it hits them on the face.

  51. https://english.alarabiya.net/coronavirus/2021/07/30/Iceland-says-reintroduced-COVID-19-restrictions-may-stick-for-15-years

    Iceland says reintroduced COVID-19 restrictions may stick for 15 years

    Iceland, one of the first countries in the world to abolish all COVID-19 restrictions for vaccinated tourists, may see recently reimposed safety protocols in place for 15 years, according to one of the Nordic country’s chief medical experts.

    Despite the overwhelming majority of Iceland’s adult population having been vaccinated, chief epidemiologist Thorolfur Gudnason said he cannot rule out that reintroduced COVID-19 restrictions may become necessary for many years to come.
    ………………………………
    Thorolfur Gudnason saidthat the COVID-19 epidemic will not end in Iceland until it is abolished all over the world.

    He also admitted that the vaccine protection against infection was lower, maintained that the defense against serious illnesses was still estimated at 90 percent.

    On 26 June, the Icelandic authorities chose to remove all domestic restrictions, prompting media outlets across the globe to hail it as the country that vanquished coronavirus. At that time, not a single case of COVID-19 had been registered in several weeks, and no deaths since December of last year had occurred.

    At the same time, a large majority of Iceland’s adult population has been vaccinated. For people aged over 50, the proportion is close to 100 percent.

    Yet, the country has since seen a rapid rise of the Delta strain, with a large proportion of the new infections among those fully vaccinated. This week, the spread of the infection reached the highest level to date, with 131 daily cases.

  52. Do we know anything about the 7 people who were hospitalized? How old are they? Did they have a pre-existing condition ? Were they hospitalized specifically for COVID or was it for another medical condition and they then tested positive? These questions are not being asked. The default position instead is PANIC.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Bugg

    You may safely assume, if it hadn't been pointed out in the article, that these "cases" are indeed of elderly with comorbidities. Just like when you read about some crime, any omission of the suspect's race is a fair indicator that he's black.

  53. Andrew Sullivan making sense for a change:

  54. I must have poor reading skills. Got the’gay’ part, but what ‘gay’ behavior would lead to the increased transmission of a respiratory virus? Or is this another episode of ‘isteve, phrenologist’?

  55. They aren’t gay, they are homosexual.

    Use the the other side’s terms, then wonder why the other side is winning.

  56. Gay community is in a really odd place epidemiologically. They’ve got higher than average SES but are also heavy drinkers and habitual drug users, they’re more fit than average but also roiders and immunocompromised. They’re not a representive sample.

  57. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    Call him his actual title: the jew, the sex pervert, the entity, Dr. Richard Levine. He also recommended young people start OnlyFans instead of having sex.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @gent

    Just as Muslims call Israel the Zionist Entity, perhaps trans people should be referred to not as trans-men or trans-women, but as trans-entities. They are not the actual thing they are calling themselves, after all. Pronouns would be "it" and "its."

    Remember during the Democratic primaries when Julián Castro said his health care plan would protect abortions for transgender women? He was confused about which way the trans went, just as I used to be before I realized "trans" means fake. A "trans-woman" is a fake woman. It's a useful memory aid.

  58. OT — iStevey or not?
    –Coen brothers movie in real life
    –People who should be highly intelligent but are hilariously stupid
    –Black kidnappers managed to drown even as white captive in back survived: what the hell did black people do to Poseidon anyway?
    –Possible Jewish angle (who names their daughter that but Jews who don’t speak Yiddish?)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844389/Louisiana-vitamins-millionaire-pleads-guilty-kidnap-plot-involving-ex-wife.html

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @J.Ross

    You're mostly correct: the hapless husband (who hires two stupid blacks to do a Mob job?) looks uncomfortably like William H. Macy. But the dead wife? No way was she Jewish: my Jewdar didn't so much as ping. It's a shonda what Lawrence Handley did to his Schanda, but I doubt it was Yiddicide.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  59. the holiday President Joe Biden hoped would mark the nation’s liberation from COVID-19

    None of Pretendsident Diapers’ handlers cares what he wants or doesn’t want, they want eternal covidhoax crises and open borders.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  60. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    Beach? Virus? Sailer post? My first thought was “telephoto”–
     
    I remember this clever bit of fact-checking by Mr. Sailer last summer. I was thinking of that while we were the beach recently. It was packed, I mean packed, to where it did look like those telephoto shots, but, no, I was standing right there among everyone.

    There was nary a mask or freaked-out individual in sight. The air was hot, the water T was just right, and we had a blast.

    Anthony Fauci may still want us to pay attention to Season 3, but the heyday is OVER - you're not gonna get the viewers you had last season. Maybe there's a market for DVD's of the PanicFest in some Balkan country, I dunno...

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Masking has made a big comeback in my moonbat college town (Department of Redundancy Department); it’s only a matter of time before indoor masking will be required, followed by an outdoor masking requirement. Many other Massachusetts towns in the “coalition of the moonbats” (P-town, Cambridge, Brookline, and soon, Northampton) have reintroduced mask requirements, and our local school administration has stated that while school will be open in the fall, all students and staff will be required to wear masks regardless of vaccine status. I guess the tin foil hatters are right, the vaccine doesn’t work, that’s why we have to wear masks. But you better get the COVID 9 Vactine, as Slow Joe put it.

    (I think I just set some kind of record for the number of times using the term ‘mask’ in a paragraph)

    Oh, and I’d lay some odds that the Dead and Company show at Citi Field on 20 August that I have tix for will not be happening. On the other hand, if the show does go on I’ll be interested in hearing “Brown-Eyed Women” sung through a face diaper.

    And another thing: I flew earlier in the week, and in the airports and on the planes they kept yammering on about how Federal law requires that masks be on at all times, except when one is actually depositing food into one’s yap. Take a bite or drink, put the mask back on. Is it really a law, passed by a legislative body and signed by an executive; or is it, as I suspect, a directive from the CDC or FAA, or an executive order from a governor, or the Dementia Patient in Chief?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ganderson

    Thanks, Mr. Ganderson. I'm not sure what kind of "law" it is, if any. I do know it is a Federal thing, and to be enforced by the TSA (who else could do such a job?). The rumor was that it was to go away sometime in September, but that was just before all the variant hype.

    Is Doctor Fauci actually Doctor. Demento? I've never seen them in the same place together.

    , @additionalMike
    @Ganderson

    I flew from Houston to Atlanta last week, and some fellow behind me (not in the Provincetown sense, just to be clear) kept taking his mask off. They warned him twice to put it back on, the third time he took it off they took down his name and told him "some people will be meeting us in Atlanta." Sounds pretty ominous, no matter how enforced.
    I doubt this is an executive order from a governor, by the way. I don't even know what state(s) we were over when the incident occurred. Probably FAA directive, with maybe no-fly list as a punishment.

    , @BLESTO-V
    @Ganderson

    I don't understand your problem. Mask mandates are just a variant of, and couldn't have developed without, the elimination of free speech, and deadheads mostly agree with the people who don't believe free speech has any importance any longer.

    Replies: @Ganderson

  61. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1403676722705408006?s=20

    Replies: @MGB, @Ralph L, @Ganderson, @InnerCynic

    Yes. So who made the right decision? Magic Johnson or Rudolf Nureyev? Fauci should be burned at the stake.

  62. Come on i Steve, a little intellectual honesty. ‘Butt sex defeats Science’, that was the original title of your post, right? Only the supernaturally perverse could explain why your beloved vaccine is such a loser.

  63. It is probably true that if print and internet media mention that Covid-19 is a gay-transmitted plague, that this could inspire impromptu violence and anger against men who are not square-jawed tobacco chewers, not to mention eunuchs and such like.

    No doubt The Daily Mail will go where other angels of the press have feared to tread, and offer us:

    FAGS NOW SPREADING NEW ENGLAND PLAGUE WITH PERVERTED SEX ACT?

    Meanwhile in Australia they are calling out the army to enforce Covid quarantines.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Jonathan Mason

    While The Guardian will no doubt lead with STUNNING AND BRAVE: WHY AN ANONYMOUS GAY ORGY IS AN ACT OF RESISTANCE IN THE TIME OF TRUMP'S COVID - HERE IS HOW TO PARTICIPATE - TRAVEL EXPENSES REFUNDABLE THROUGH METRO PC VACATION FUND.

  64. The entire profession of the law shitting their pants in unison. After falling all over yourselves to advocate for real terrorists.

    What happened to you?

    • Agree: Thirdtwin
  65. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1403676722705408006?s=20

    Replies: @MGB, @Ralph L, @Ganderson, @InnerCynic

    You mean Fauci went off half-cocked?

  66. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1403676722705408006?s=20

    Replies: @MGB, @Ralph L, @Ganderson, @InnerCynic

    Fauci also told me I (100% hetero male) was going to contract AIDS by 1990. I don’t recall doing so, and I think I’d have remembered that. AZT killed a lot of people.

    The Coronadoom is the second political/medical panic of my lifetime; the first was AIDS. The response to AIDS was the first indication that gays not only were not discriminated against any more, they were sacred objects. Although our homosexual brethren are going to have to work harder to keep up with the trannies in the sacralization department.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, ivan
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Ganderson

    The response to AIDS was the first indication that gays not only were not discriminated against any more, they were sacred objects.

    It was the AIDS epidemic that caused gays to be elevated to the status of sacred objects, just as the 9/11 attack resulted in the elevated status of Muslims on the totem pole of sacred victims. All explained by Lawrence Auster's Auster's First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society:


    The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctess in covering up for that group.

    First Corollary: The more egregiously any such group behaves, the more evil we are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.

    The First Law and its corrolary are intrinsic to liberalism. Once the equality of all human groups is accepted as a given, any facts that make a minority or foreign group seem worse than the majority native group must be either covered up or blamed on the majority.
     

  67. Why am I not surprised that Sailer is using anti-gay rhetoric in order to push his COVID Chicken Little agenda

  68. The Covid Disinformation Centers admit the Prick doesn’t work and all Sailer wants to talk about is sodomists….

    Don’t change the subject, boy – you let President Trump double-tap you with his tiny little Prick and it was all for nothing. Now go strap on your filthy facediaper and await further instructions, because the CDC tried the only thing it could think of and is all out of ideas.

    Twat Would Be Shilling, utu, HA, and especially Xponential Unz, how do y’alls feel now that I was right and you were wrong: there is no vaccine for a coronavirus, it is unobtainium. And, now that CDC admits the Prick is useless, y’alls getting your third Prick in a couple months?

    Holla back, my Covimbeciles!

    Edit: and you better believe I done BIG victory dancing the last 24 hours, ha ha ha HA. I love when a retarded narrative falls apart spectacularly

    • Troll: photondancer
    • Replies: @HA
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    "The Covid Disinformation Centers admit the Prick doesn’t work"

    For a visual display of something that, according to you, doesn't work, I refer you to the second graph in https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/il where I can see that of the 6,500 COVID deaths Israel has tallied so far, about 80 of them have come since May 3 -- i.e. less than one a day despite having a lingering portion of vaccine refuseniks.

    Scaling that up by 330/9 to account for US/Israel population differences, a comparable COVID lethality would give the US a daily death toll of 40 (i.e., a tenth of what we're actually seeing).

    So, if that's your definition of something that is "doesn't work", well, it explains the rest of your opposite-day output.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

  69. The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and ’80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would “rather not dwell on” as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the “why don’t you get the damn vaccine” press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don’t see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    "For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine"

    CDC admitted it doesn't work; ergo, it's not a vaccine. It's a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @Papinian
    @Jack D

    Maybe the ratio of men to women is skewed to men, who are more susceptible to Covid. And maybe the vaccine is less effective among those with HIV, who are probably overrepresented in Ptown.

    , @Greta Handel
    @Jack D

    I posed the same questions


    But was there anything unique[ly] gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?
     
    three hours earlier.

    Which you may eventually see, at Mr. Sailer’s whim.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?
     
    People generally don't go to a heterosexual resort town (formerly known as just "a resort town") to engage in mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners. Homosexual men do go to Provincetown for that though. And if charismatic church meetings are "super-spreader" events, then mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners might be ... what, hyper-spreader events?

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

  70. @Achmed E. Newman
    Key West, Florida may be a contender for "gayest little city" with Provincetown, Mass. I have been to both, but it's been over 20 years. They are both really nice geographic locations. I guess to settle this question, people are voting with their feet , no not "feet". What's the 5-letter word I'm looking for?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    Key West seems like a nightmare to get into (and out of).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    Well, you skip past Miami or across Alligator Alley from the west coast and take the #1 all the way. Or, you fly into Marathon or Key West - Delta has airline service down to Key West out of Atlanta on ERJ-175s. They are a nice ride, and a pretty good short-field airplane. Or, do it Jimmy Buffett style and take a few days to sail. The water is nice and warm, at least.

    During a hurricane, you'd better have already made plans as to where to hole up.

  71. CDC: “Our precious holy vaccines don’t work. Please wear a mask, forever.”

    Sailer: “Look, a gay squirrel!”

    • LOL: Torn and Frayed
  72. How many of the people in that supposedly fully-vaccinated 74% group were, in fact, fully vaccinated?

    Did the investigators collect vaccine cards and then double-check them for fakes? Or did they just question the study subjects and take them at their words. I haven’t found this described anywhere.

    There is huge social pressure in some circles to vaccinate. The P-town gay community must be one of them. Yet even so, 26% of the study subjects admitted to the investigators they hadn’t been fully vaccinated. Did any of them lie to the party hosts to gain admission? How many other vaccine hesitant party-goers lied to the investigators and also perhaps lied their hosts as well? I’ve lately been invited to parties and gatherings hosted by staunch liberals and they very frequently have explicitly said “must be vaccinated to attend.” I’d bet that adjusting the numbers in this one case study to account for a reasonable quantity of deceit would change the conclusions quite a bit.

    This is why it is looney-toons to make national policy based on reports of individual episodes or anecdotes. Freaking out over reports of some bad stuff at this one big gay party is even less responsible than doing a bit of amateur sleuthing in VAERS and concluding that the vaccine will give you simultaneous priapism and sterility (tho’ that might sell the jab to a certain demographic). Yet we are told to muzzle up unquestioningly when our betters do the former, but we’re kicked out of the digital town square when we hypothetically discuss the latter. It’s not turtles all the way down; it’s clowns.

    • Agree: Ganderson
  73. A friend asks “How many of the infected have HIV infection?”

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dan Smith

    About six percent verified HIV cases (source CDC in note marked "***")

    The CDC paper too goes to hilarious lengths to avoid That Word, and to avoid naming the town:

    "During July 3–17, 2021, multiple summer events and large public gatherings were held in a town in Barnstable County, MA, that attracted thousands of tourists from across the US."

    and

    "demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants"

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.
     
    It serves as Chicago's Fire Island or Provincetown. I'd never heard of it until recently, and I know a great deal about my dad's native state.

    The town also features a number of family-friendly attractions. Sounds like both the straights and the gays are invested in keeping publicity to a minimum.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  75. @Jack D
    The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and '80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would "rather not dwell on" as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the "why don't you get the damn vaccine" press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don't see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Papinian, @Greta Handel, @Almost Missouri

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn’t be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It’s mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch “states rights” view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Ben Kurtz

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. I live in the region and my personal experience is that being ‘fully vaccinated’ is a proud symbol of sophistication. Don’t know what the demographics of the summer PTown crowd is but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben Kurtz, @3g4me

    , @Jack D
    @Ben Kurtz

    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.

    Replies: @BB753, @MGB

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ben Kurtz

    There's going to be a lot of progressives lying about getting vaccinated whenever informal group think struggle sessions spontaneously form in the bars and beaches.

    People have all sorts of odd and irrational motivations and some people are just plain scared of needles. Personal decisions, like that, are much less ideological than you would think from "politics".

    , @Anon
    @Ben Kurtz

    There's a whole segment of the gay community that refuses to take any precautions against catching HIV from sex partners. I doubt these people would have bothered to take the Covid vaccine. As for the gays who have HIV and who spread it without telling their partners, they're not likely to have taken the Covid vaccine either. Many of them probably think that if they're taking an antiviral med that prevents the duplication of HIV, then it will work for Covid, too.

    , @Dumbo
    @Ben Kurtz

    I'm pretty sure gays are more vaccinated as a group than non-gays. The SF Gay chorus even had a song about vaccination, and progressives in general are big fans of vaccination.

    Plus, gays love pricks.

    As for the 80s Aids scare, it was similar to Covid, in the sense that the media and medicine quacks created a huge panic about people getting Aids in any type of sex act, when it was mostly just through homosexual anal sex. (Although apparently a few heterosexuals were unfortunate enough to catch it through blood transfusions).

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

  76. A lot of the Provincetown gays may have had the vaccine, but the problem is they are also likely to have depressed immune systems due to other viral infections, such as HIV. That would have made them unusually susceptible to getting Covid even among the Covid-vaccinated group.

  77. But there’s a whole lotta “Boys Will Be Boys” from the gay apologists. I hope the feminists are enjoying that.

  78. @Jack D
    The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and '80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would "rather not dwell on" as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the "why don't you get the damn vaccine" press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don't see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Papinian, @Greta Handel, @Almost Missouri

    “For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine”

    CDC admitted it doesn’t work; ergo, it’s not a vaccine. It’s a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    No vaccine is 100% effective. On the spectrum between "doesn't work" and 100% effective, the mRNA Covid vaccines are a lot closer to the latter than say the flu vaccine is. The flu vaccine REALLY doesn't work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

    , @AnotherDad
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    “For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine”

    CDC admitted it doesn’t work; ergo, it’s not a vaccine. It’s a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.
     
    People like binary and seem to have a lot of problems with "sort of" and "somewhat".

    The Xi virus isn't "just the flu" nor is it measles, much less small pox.
    Flu < Covid-19 < Measles < Smallpox

    Sure the vaccine "doesn't work"--as in 100%. 90% against original flavor. Worse for alpha and delta. But still reduces hospitalization 90% and death 95%.

    Is the vaccine harming people? Sure. Some not at all. Many "a bit". A some seriously. And killing a few--a few obvious, and no doubt a bunch more. The spike protein sucks.

    But the get the Xi virus with no protection is even worse. It replicates in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself all with Mr Spikey whacking on you. If you're young, healthy--and lucky with the right genetics--you'll shut it down quickly without much damage. No worse than the vax. But for most people it will be worse--much more spiking than from the vax and more damage. And much more likely to kill you.

    Obviously if you skate through and never get the bug or the vax that's best. (Or skate through until there's a better safer vax.) But how likely is that? (I pretty much decided early on it was baked in--endemic--and you'll get one or the other.)

    Some things in life are binary. Most are "somewhat". Even the good things--are "pretty good" not "perfect". Is AnotherMom the "perfect" woman for me? No. Am i the "perfect" husband for her? No. But 95% is pretty darn good ... close enough.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Kratoklastes

  79. MGB says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. I live in the region and my personal experience is that being ‘fully vaccinated’ is a proud symbol of sophistication. Don’t know what the demographics of the summer PTown crowd is but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @MGB


    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US ... but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.
     
    The topline number I looked up today is 60% for the state as a whole, but going to the state's page on this it's 76% for the county including Provincetown, and as you note we'd need to know if this population is mostly MA residents. The weekly report only does age stratification by "at least once dose" but it's pretty good going down to 16-19 years of age, starting there and then the following at ten year intervals we've got 65%, 67%, 78%, 79%, then for 50-64 years of age 86%.

    One other detail from that weekly report is that use of the deliberately less effective Janssen single jab is low compared to the mRNA vaccines.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Ben Kurtz
    @MGB

    The VAST majority of P-town partiers are from out of town and out of state. Just read Sullivan and the rest.

    Replies: @MGB

    , @3g4me
    @MGB

    @77 MGB: "MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. "

    Terrific. Then, over the next 5-10 years, we can expect there to be a reduction in the number of Massholes in the world.

  80. @Jack D
    The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and '80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would "rather not dwell on" as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the "why don't you get the damn vaccine" press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don't see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Papinian, @Greta Handel, @Almost Missouri

    Maybe the ratio of men to women is skewed to men, who are more susceptible to Covid. And maybe the vaccine is less effective among those with HIV, who are probably overrepresented in Ptown.

  81. @Jack D
    The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and '80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would "rather not dwell on" as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the "why don't you get the damn vaccine" press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don't see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Papinian, @Greta Handel, @Almost Missouri

    I posed the same questions

    But was there anything unique[ly] gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    three hours earlier.

    Which you may eventually see, at Mr. Sailer’s whim.

  82. @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jack D

    Experience shows that nothing short of legal repression can stop gays from engaging in promiscuity.

    , @MGB
    @Jack D


    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.
     
    Jeez, Jack, you could be mistaken for someone who holds a similar opinion about certain ethnic groups ‘being fluent liars to conceal their identities.’ Ring a bell? Maybe a group who is justified in committing genocide because someone took their ice cream?
  83. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1403676722705408006?s=20

    Replies: @MGB, @Ralph L, @Ganderson, @InnerCynic

    Good God almighty! It never ceases. And wasn’t there some woman doctor who has railed against Fauci and his demented doings ever since those days?

  84. @Jack D
    @Ben Kurtz

    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.

    Replies: @BB753, @MGB

    Experience shows that nothing short of legal repression can stop gays from engaging in promiscuity.

  85. @Jack D
    The relationship between the AIDS epidemic and '80s gay sexual promiscuity was rather obvious (at least in retrospect) although it is one of those things, like black criminality, that we would "rather not dwell on" as Razib says. But was there anything unique gay about the Provincetown Covid outbreak? If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    Obviously, the MSM is not going to point out anything that makes a favored minority group look bad. Favored minorities can only be spoken of in terms of praise. For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine is more or less equally divided between persons of color and rural whites, but all of the "why don't you get the damn vaccine" press coverage focuses on the latter. PoCs are portrayed only as our heroic front line health care workers who deserve more pay. But in this case, I don't see that the fact that Provincetown is a gay resort has much to do with this particular story.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Papinian, @Greta Handel, @Almost Missouri

    If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?

    People generally don’t go to a heterosexual resort town (formerly known as just “a resort town”) to engage in mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners. Homosexual men do go to Provincetown for that though. And if charismatic church meetings are “super-spreader” events, then mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners might be … what, hyper-spreader events?

    • Agree: BB753, 3g4me
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Almost Missouri

    This. Plus, homosexual men are, because of one of the other diseases their practices expose them to, more likely to have compromised immune systems.

    , @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.
     
    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Replies: @Peterike, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad, @JMcG

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Almost Missouri

    "Heterosexual resort towns" tend to be quiet and sedate places. They're full of families with kids&grandkids, and couples out for a weekend of rest&relaxation. Sexually "hooking up" with anyone is almost impossible.

    You might see a few people having beers on a boat or drinking in a bar, but they typically keep to themselves. There's not much of a "party vibe" in these places.

    The exception to the above would be the "Spring Break" locales, like Cancun. Places that draw in lots of college students. There's a certain degree of promiscuity in these places, but it's more limited than you might think. See this article below.

    https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2014/02/05/study-examines-spring-breakers-sex-alcohol/


    Researchers surveyed more than 1,500 students from a large Northwestern college after spring break 2009. Participants were asked about their relationship status, who they went to spring break with, how many sexual partners they had during that period, and how much alcohol they drank. They were also asked how many times they thought the typical student at their school had sex during spring break and how much they thought those students drank before their sexual encounters.

    Half of the students reported going on a spring break trip. Of those, 35.5 percent went with a friend or friends, and 10 percent traveled with a romantic partner. Almost a third of spring breakers (32 percent) had sex while they were away, and 16 percent of them said it was casual sex. Moreover, almost half of the people who had sex (46.7 percent) said that they had been drinking before sex (an average of 4.17 drinks), and 52.2 percent said they did not use condoms all week. Women in the study were more likely than the men surveyed to drink before sex and to have sex without condoms. In addition, risk behaviors were cumulative, meaning that those who engaged in one risk behavior, such as drinking, also appeared to engage in others, like casual sex without a condom.
     

    So as you can see above, 68% of college students on a "Spring Break" trip did NOT have sex. Only 16% had "casual sex" (sex with an acquaintance or newly met partner). The remaining 16% had sex with a serious partner.

    The above study was from 2009.

    Here's some more data from a different contemporary study that was cited in a 2001 book.

    A separate study done on college students on "Spring Break" in Daytona Beach found that only 1/4th reported having sex. Slight over 1/6th had "casual sex" with an acquaintance or newly met partner. The remainder had sex with a serious partner.

    Among the 1/6th who had "casual sex," 68% had just ONE partner, 13% had TWO partners, and 19% had THREE (or more) partners.

    TLDR: Only 1/6th of college students on "Spring Break" have sex with an acquaintance or newly met partner. Usually, just with 1 partner. 7 in 10 college students have sex with no one. There are TWO different studies that support these data.

  86. the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of “a handful of positive COVID cases among folks” who spent time there.

    A rule of thumb nowadays seems to be that if a public official goes out of his way to invoke old-fashioned countryside neighbors with the term “folks”, it means he is actually referring to more or less the opposite: a distinct and malignant minority who are culpable for whatever ill has befallen them.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Kylie
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Almost Missouri

    Doofus Dry Drunk Dubya referred to the 9/11 terrorists as "folks" in a speech not long after the attack.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @Almost Missouri

    One hears this locution a lot in the leftist christian churches... 'gay folks', 'trans folks', lately 'kink folks'. Yep, they're just another variety of salt of the earth church people; Grandpa Joe over here, Aunt Sue over there, and the handcuffed cross dresser over that way; all just folks, don't judge, just accept!

    , @Dmon
    @Almost Missouri

    Good point - as a tell, it's right up there with them addressing "Y'all".

  87. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?
     
    People generally don't go to a heterosexual resort town (formerly known as just "a resort town") to engage in mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners. Homosexual men do go to Provincetown for that though. And if charismatic church meetings are "super-spreader" events, then mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners might be ... what, hyper-spreader events?

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

    This. Plus, homosexual men are, because of one of the other diseases their practices expose them to, more likely to have compromised immune systems.

  88. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Pulse oximeters may not always work right on blacks.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58032842

    Is this racist to notice or not notice?

    The evidence presented is anecdotal and not convincing. They don’t not work on demand. They don’t work once in a while. And then go back to working for a while. They’re sneaky in their manner of not working..

    Anyway, isn’t the laser on the bottom, where blacks have white people skin?

  89. @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    Steve mentioned awhile ago in reviewing the Harvey Milk biopic with Sean Penn that the link between “gay liberation” that started in the Summer of ’69 and the AIDS epidemic that was identified 12 years later (which meant it had been spreading during the Disco Era) has pretty much never been spoken aloud publicly. (Last month was the 40th anniversary of the CDC’s first report of a cluster of rare fungal pneumonia cases in five homosexual men in Los Angeles. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/june_5.htm) Instead, guilt was transferred to the Reagans. I guess a word from Ron and Nancy was all the boys were waiting for to shut down the bathhouses, or something.

  90. The Democratic Party

    The Homosexual Pederast Party

    Democratic Party Family Values

    US 4 Star Army General Slimey Mark Milley….onboard with this sewage…

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The fistfu**ers party.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

  91. The gay angle is interesting – and those dudes are not a healthy bunch. That said, this study is sure drawing out a lot of vaxx cope from you guys. “The gheys are lying! They weren’t really vaxxed! The gheys are unhealthsome! That’s why 74% of cases were vaxxed! And they probably weren’t vaxxed anyhow!”

    C’mon, Steve, don’t go Occam’s Butterknife on us. Occam’s razor: maybe the vaxx is not so awesome after all; we’ll have to wait and see.

    One more thing for Steve’s noticing skills: Now that we are six months out from first vaccinations, over the next 3-4 months we should start seeing first signs of ADE if that is going to be a problem with this new mRNA tech.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Breadly Copter

    @@ “Now that we are six months out from first vaccinations, over the next 3-4 months we should start seeing first signs of ADE if that is going to be a problem with this new mRNA tech.”

    Check out the Daily Mail’s funny coverage of two sudden deaths: Joey Jordison, 46 and Bob Odenkirk, 58. No idea who they are, but they collapsed or dropped dead or something.

    It would be microthrombotic, or otherwise spike-related.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  92. I read Andrew Sullivan’s account and it was so much more interesting than ABC’s stupid article. I suppose newspapers have always hidden the type of information that Sullivan shared, but it is pathetic really. The place was full of big gay parties, with bad weather, so everyone was in incredibly crowded bars. This pertinent and an insight into a world which I don’t know well.

    As St Augustin said “if you’re going to sin, sin consciously.”

    If you’re going to call “homophobia” a sin, then at least be like the conservatives do and do so consciously. Better to write the interesting details and react with judgement than be unable to write about the interesting details just so you won’t feel judgey.

  93. I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Lesbians don't have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Neuday
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.
     
    It's really quite simple: What gay men do with each other for sexual satisfaction is inherently disgusting and unnatural. Just the sight of two men passionately kissing is enough to trigger our disgust. The ideal of lesbianism is misguided but possibly redeemable women, while the reality of lesbianism is often ugly fat obnoxious women, likely suffering some mental issue and we'd simply prefer to ignore such people. Also, we tend to associate gay men as tending toward pedophilia and sexual abuse of boys, which adds anger to our disgust.
    , @Mike Tre
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A non sequitar and a straw man! You're just missing a little projection, and you'll be primed for a Head of Psychology position at some unaccredited college somewhere.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Raven Lunatic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    because lesbians dont have sky-high STD transmission rates? dont practice anal sex? are nowhere near as predatory?

    , @BLESTO-V
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Don't know what you're talking about. I get along with gay men fine; can't stand the attitudes of dykes.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.
     
    I've never really considered myself some sort of super-duper "conservative". More of a "what's really going on?", "does this make any sense?", "how can this possibly work when the incentives are backasswards?" kind of guy.

    But the whole homosexual AIDS scam, where wildly promiscuous (and often drug using) homos cooked up serious viral epidemic, refused normal public measures to deal with it ... then blamed it normies ... which all meant more homosexual liberation! ... and homosexual marriage. Yeah, that was a "conservative"--"this is 'effing ridiculous! you're peddling lies and illogic"--moment for me.

    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking "far right" loon**. ("Far right" means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, "rule of law", white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i'll do as well as the next guy as your "conservative man".

    My take on lesbians:
    -- my guess is fewer "true lesbians" than male homosexuals (1%ish rather than 2%ish?)
    -- but female sexuality is more amorphous less binary than male; so more "hangers on"
    -- boring
    -- frumpy
    -- dumpy
    -- do not let them into your organization!
    -- lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik

    But disease spreaders like queers? ... LOL.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    To a heterosexual man, lesbians are the most dull, uninteresting people on earth.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Triteleia Laxa, @James J O'Meara

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Yeah, well, this post is about spreading diseases and lesbians aren't nearly as promiscuous, and they don't screw each other in the ass... unless there's the odd movie I've missed.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.'

    I think there are some actual lesbians, but they're only a subset of the larger population that claims to be (with more or less sincerity) lesbian.

    I see three groups here (and I have had a fair amount of superficial contact with 'lesbians').

    1. Actual lesbians.

    2. Those who confuse the ordinary human need for physical contact and affection with sexual desire. Here, it's worth pointing out that in general, we've sexualized a lot human contact that didn't used to be sexual; in Lincoln's time, for example, men staying in hotels ordinarily shared beds. It didn't mean they were gay.

    3. Those who want to opt out of the heterosexual rat race. Why enter a contest you doubt you can win? Here, note that women used to be able to respectably remain chaste; it was positively praiseworthy. Now, there's going to be at least the unspoken question: why don't you have a boyfriend?

    So I'd suggest a paradigm where we've got three groups (which wouldn't be mutually exclusive). 1. Women who really are turned on by other women, not men. No foolin'.

    2. Women who want somebody in bed with them at night. There's actually nothing wrong with that.

    3. Women who, for some reason other than a simple lack of desire, don't want to pursue a sexual relationship with a man. Again, it's not actually mandatory. BE Julia Morgan. It's fine.

    But (2) and (3) really are distinct from (1).

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  94. @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    There’s going to be a lot of progressives lying about getting vaccinated whenever informal group think struggle sessions spontaneously form in the bars and beaches.

    People have all sorts of odd and irrational motivations and some people are just plain scared of needles. Personal decisions, like that, are much less ideological than you would think from “politics”.

  95. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?
     
    People generally don't go to a heterosexual resort town (formerly known as just "a resort town") to engage in mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners. Homosexual men do go to Provincetown for that though. And if charismatic church meetings are "super-spreader" events, then mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners might be ... what, hyper-spreader events?

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.

    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?”

    By a factor of maybe 100 or so.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    It differs quite a bit jack, if you'd care to be honest about it.

    Like other than the music, what's the difference between an symphony orchastra performance and a gangster rap concert? It's just people Jack, going to enjoy some music!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?
     
    Jack, i guess your spring breaks were a bit more "vigorous" than mine.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Jack, if you’re not being coy, homos have more partners than straights by orders of magnitude.

  96. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    Lesbians don’t have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    Lesbians don’t have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.
     
    Just because they're minor leaguers doesn't mean they're not pros:

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/ask-experts/can-lesbians-get-stis

    Q: What are important health issues for lesbians to discuss with their doctors or nurses?

    Q: What other STDs can lesbian women get?

    Do Lesbians need STD tests?

    Note that the last is from the County, not the City, of Los Angeles. Is this West Hollywood and Santa Monica speaking?

    Watch where you jog, Steve!


    There are large numbers of LGBT residents of Venice, Los Angeles and the City of Santa Monica. Other communities with LGBT residents include Elysian Park, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Reseda, Sherman Oaks, Studio City, and Van Nuys.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture_in_Los_Angeles#Geography
     

    Census Data Map [2011!] Shows the Gayborhoods of Los Angeles

    Stay home and report on this phenomenon:


    Gentrification is Changing Iconic Gay Neighborhoods in L.A. and S.F.


    Wedged snugly between two of the most popular gay bars on Santa Monica Boulevard is Block Party, the “gayest” store in West Hollywood...

    “We lost our community in the last three or four years,” said Larry Block from the sidewalk in front of his shop. Most of the other gay-owned clothing and retail owners have closed...

    “This was the community in which the guys would come to shop. You know, gays like things a little tighter, a little shorter, a little skimpy or a little shearer. They like it a little sexier,” Block said.
     

    Dr Reuben was right!!

    Replies: @J.Ross

  97. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.

    It’s really quite simple: What gay men do with each other for sexual satisfaction is inherently disgusting and unnatural. Just the sight of two men passionately kissing is enough to trigger our disgust. The ideal of lesbianism is misguided but possibly redeemable women, while the reality of lesbianism is often ugly fat obnoxious women, likely suffering some mental issue and we’d simply prefer to ignore such people. Also, we tend to associate gay men as tending toward pedophilia and sexual abuse of boys, which adds anger to our disgust.

    • Agree: JMcG
  98. @Jonathan Mason
    It is probably true that if print and internet media mention that Covid-19 is a gay-transmitted plague, that this could inspire impromptu violence and anger against men who are not square-jawed tobacco chewers, not to mention eunuchs and such like.

    No doubt The Daily Mail will go where other angels of the press have feared to tread, and offer us:

    FAGS NOW SPREADING NEW ENGLAND PLAGUE WITH PERVERTED SEX ACT?

    Meanwhile in Australia they are calling out the army to enforce Covid quarantines.

    Replies: @Pericles

    While The Guardian will no doubt lead with STUNNING AND BRAVE: WHY AN ANONYMOUS GAY ORGY IS AN ACT OF RESISTANCE IN THE TIME OF TRUMP’S COVID – HERE IS HOW TO PARTICIPATE – TRAVEL EXPENSES REFUNDABLE THROUGH METRO PC VACATION FUND.

  99. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    There’s a whole segment of the gay community that refuses to take any precautions against catching HIV from sex partners. I doubt these people would have bothered to take the Covid vaccine. As for the gays who have HIV and who spread it without telling their partners, they’re not likely to have taken the Covid vaccine either. Many of them probably think that if they’re taking an antiviral med that prevents the duplication of HIV, then it will work for Covid, too.

  100. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    From Nature:

    “Potential intestinal infection and faecal–oral transmission of SARS-CoV-2”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41575-021-00416-6

    [R]eports have shown that a notable proportion of patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) develop gastrointestinal symptoms and nearly half of patients confirmed to have COVID-19 have shown detectable SARS-CoV-2 RNA in their faecal samples. Moreover, SARS-CoV-2 infection reportedly alters intestinal microbiota, which correlated with the expression of inflammatory factors. Furthermore, multiple in vitro and in vivo animal studies have provided direct evidence of intestinal infection by SARS-CoV-2. These lines of evidence highlight the nature of SARS-CoV-2 gastrointestinal infection and its potential faecal–oral transmission.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Anon

    Well, that merits a well-placed rim shot.

  101. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.
     
    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Replies: @Peterike, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad, @JMcG

    “ Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?”

    By a factor of maybe 100 or so.

  102. HA says:

    In Israel, COVID is able to break through the vaccinations of about 3% of health care workers. About 20% of those breakout cases result in symptoms lasting 6 weeks or longer (the rest were mild).

    However, that was for the alpha variant, and now that delta is on the loose, that 3% should probably be scaled up significantly, especially if we’re talking about people who might be immuno-compromised (e.g. old, or sexually promiscuous — yes, I’m looking at you, Provincetown).

    But given that dying should be the main concern (particularly as the COVID dead can be accounted for without worrying about all the false positives and negatives of any particular test — i.e., by way of excess deaths), then your overall odds of survival are still better if you’re vaccinated.

    In particular, and this is just a ballpark estimate, COVID vaccinations seems to bring down the CFR to levels kind of like what we see for seasonal flu, give or take, so in that sense, the “just-like-the-flu” bros finally came close to getting one right, sort of, and it only took them, what, a year and a half?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @HA

    It's not even Sunday; would you mind saving your sermons for then at least? TIA

    , @Jack D
    @HA

    1. The Israel data on vaccinated people getting "long Covid" is very slim - 20% of 3% of Israeli healthcare workers is equal to 7 cases. It's usually not a good idea to make healthcare policy decisions based on 7 cases of anything.

    2. Even if you have a breakthru infection, being vaccinated cuts your risk of ending up in the hospital or dying by a factor of around 25 - from 1% mortality for the unvaccinated down to .04% mortality for the vaccinated infected. That's a VERY significant difference. It's a shame that the vaccine doesn't cut the risk of death from Covid 100% but a 96% reduction is pretty good.

    3. I give the "just the flu" bros no credit. They were saying (are STILL saying) that it's just the flu even in the absence of a vaccine. The fact that even for vaccinated individuals Covid can still be serious shows how much MORE it is than the flu for the unvaccinated. Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox. In the days before chicken pox vaccine, when one kid in a class got chicken pox, the whole class got it because it was so highly contagious. (BTW, if you are an oldster, get the shingles vaccine if you haven't already.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

  103. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.
     
    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Replies: @Peterike, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad, @JMcG

    It differs quite a bit jack, if you’d care to be honest about it.

    Like other than the music, what’s the difference between an symphony orchastra performance and a gangster rap concert? It’s just people Jack, going to enjoy some music!

    • Thanks: Etruscan Film Star
  104. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    A non sequitar and a straw man! You’re just missing a little projection, and you’ll be primed for a Head of Psychology position at some unaccredited college somewhere.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mike Tre

    It was a general observation on the commenters here and conservative men in general. Many of them have replied explaining that it was an astute one and why they feel that way. I wasn't criticising. People think what they think and feel what they feel. It is individual and I don't know their circumstances. I don't know why would react so aggressively, for example, but I do know that I would embarrassed now of I were you.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  105. @HA
    In Israel, COVID is able to break through the vaccinations of about 3% of health care workers. About 20% of those breakout cases result in symptoms lasting 6 weeks or longer (the rest were mild).

    However, that was for the alpha variant, and now that delta is on the loose, that 3% should probably be scaled up significantly, especially if we're talking about people who might be immuno-compromised (e.g. old, or sexually promiscuous -- yes, I'm looking at you, Provincetown).

    But given that dying should be the main concern (particularly as the COVID dead can be accounted for without worrying about all the false positives and negatives of any particular test -- i.e., by way of excess deaths), then your overall odds of survival are still better if you're vaccinated.

    In particular, and this is just a ballpark estimate, COVID vaccinations seems to bring down the CFR to levels kind of like what we see for seasonal flu, give or take, so in that sense, the "just-like-the-flu" bros finally came close to getting one right, sort of, and it only took them, what, a year and a half?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jack D

    It’s not even Sunday; would you mind saving your sermons for then at least? TIA

  106. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    because lesbians dont have sky-high STD transmission rates? dont practice anal sex? are nowhere near as predatory?

  107. Gotta give some credit to the gay community of the late 70s/early 80s for recognizing the threat that AIDS posed to their lifestyle, and advocating for more responsible behavior. There were plenty of intelligent homosexuals with self-discipline who did their best to counter the trend of random promiscuity… which, in all fairness, was pretty widespread among people of any sexual inclination during the 70s.

    Looking back at the weird mix of sympathy and health hysteria that this evoked in the average person of the time, it’s pretty obvious that AIDS was a major factor in making homosexuality mainstream. To put it lightly, AIDS was fundamentally responsible for everything from Will & Grace to Ben Shapiro.

    But unfortunately the message of responsibility got more of a workout than actual responsible practices… so after a short period in which the approved message was that AIDS was increasing more among heterosexuals than homosexuals, the media mostly left the story alone, and the numbers dwindled as much through attrition as prevention. And then a whole new generation came about in which ‘safe sex’ was just as likely to be laughed about than rigorously practiced.

    So when the AIDS timeline hit the corresponding “Delta variant” phase, gay lifestyles were being promoted (in official speak, “tolerance and acceptance”) while actual responsible behavior was taking a nose dive. And because there was no media hype over the resulting slight increase in cases, the world finally arrived at a reasonable outlook: that it’s a dangerous disease, but unless you are unusually susceptible due to personal condition or behavior, it’s not something to change any other aspect of your life about… gee, imagine that.

    Ironically, if AIDS had hypothically first happened in today’s sociopolitical climate, we wouldn’t even be able to talk about the outsized gay role — due to that same ‘tolerance and acceptance’ being encouraged/enforced. And we’d probably be all required to show proof that we’re wearing a condom in order to work and shop. But don’t hold your breath waiting for anti-vaxxers and ‘hesitants’ to get the same victim sympathy pass that promiscuous homosexuals got in the 80s and 90s.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Sollipsist

    What the AIDS epidemic did was give billions in government tax payer dollars to gay AIDS organizations. Not for medical care or medical research but for conscious raising advocacy and lobbying. Back when National Review was truly a pro White and conservative magazine it did some research about the AIDS “ workers” and NGOs. Their research found that just 1 out of 11 “AIDS workers “ was a medical worker of any kind.

    The rest were NGO advocates sitting in offices lobbying for more and more gay rights and turning gay men into pathetic victims of Ronald Regean.

    AIDS was created by promiscuous gay men during the 1970s. It became known during the late 1970s very liberal Carter administration. The main stream press kept quiet about it. It was only mentioned in the specialized medical press. And Drs especially proctologist’s and STD specialists were so used to the fact that gays had all the STDs and proctology problems at first AIDS was just a new STD like all the different strains of herpes chalmydia etc the bathhouse gays were busy developing and creating.

    Always always follow the money. All these detrimental causes from men in women’s locker rooms to BLM everyone comes out of the billions and billions of tax payers government money and tax deductible uncharitable donations.

    The NGO sector is vast. It might be bigger than the private sector. I don’t know. There are masters and PhD programs in social justice entrepreneurship. Just as there are programs in business administration. I assume there’s no math or 3 syllable words involved in the social justice programs.

    These causes are just a way to make money by selling. Instead of selling a concrete product like a hammer or hair curler, they sell utopian ideas. And most of their effort is lobbying government; using government and tax deductible donations.

  108. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.
     
    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Replies: @Peterike, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad, @JMcG

    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Jack, i guess your spring breaks were a bit more “vigorous” than mine.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I am not an expert on what goes on at Spring Break nowadays, nor what goes on in Provincetown, but I suspect that the cultures have converged quite a bit from our salad days.


    However, for the "unnatural part", I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that "unnatural acts" are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual
    casual "dating":

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/07/casual-sex-norms-men-communication-advice.html

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian

  109. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    Don’t know what you’re talking about. I get along with gay men fine; can’t stand the attitudes of dykes.

  110. @HA
    In Israel, COVID is able to break through the vaccinations of about 3% of health care workers. About 20% of those breakout cases result in symptoms lasting 6 weeks or longer (the rest were mild).

    However, that was for the alpha variant, and now that delta is on the loose, that 3% should probably be scaled up significantly, especially if we're talking about people who might be immuno-compromised (e.g. old, or sexually promiscuous -- yes, I'm looking at you, Provincetown).

    But given that dying should be the main concern (particularly as the COVID dead can be accounted for without worrying about all the false positives and negatives of any particular test -- i.e., by way of excess deaths), then your overall odds of survival are still better if you're vaccinated.

    In particular, and this is just a ballpark estimate, COVID vaccinations seems to bring down the CFR to levels kind of like what we see for seasonal flu, give or take, so in that sense, the "just-like-the-flu" bros finally came close to getting one right, sort of, and it only took them, what, a year and a half?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jack D

    1. The Israel data on vaccinated people getting “long Covid” is very slim – 20% of 3% of Israeli healthcare workers is equal to 7 cases. It’s usually not a good idea to make healthcare policy decisions based on 7 cases of anything.

    2. Even if you have a breakthru infection, being vaccinated cuts your risk of ending up in the hospital or dying by a factor of around 25 – from 1% mortality for the unvaccinated down to .04% mortality for the vaccinated infected. That’s a VERY significant difference. It’s a shame that the vaccine doesn’t cut the risk of death from Covid 100% but a 96% reduction is pretty good.

    3. I give the “just the flu” bros no credit. They were saying (are STILL saying) that it’s just the flu even in the absence of a vaccine. The fact that even for vaccinated individuals Covid can still be serious shows how much MORE it is than the flu for the unvaccinated. Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox. In the days before chicken pox vaccine, when one kid in a class got chicken pox, the whole class got it because it was so highly contagious. (BTW, if you are an oldster, get the shingles vaccine if you haven’t already.)

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Jack D


    Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox.
     
    I don't trust the CDC at all when it comes to this sort of infectious disease science, but Delta is bad. Like Alpha, it's got an amino acid substitution in the furin cleavage area of the spike protein at location 681, going from proline to histidine and then to arginine. After looking at all three I can't say I yet understand the chemical significance as I've read filtered through I guess the MSM, supposedly they're successively less acidic. What anyone can observe is that the side chains are successively longer; pKa is a measure of acidity, the lower the more acidic. Probably arginine moving its most acidic group way further out than histidine makes the difference where it counts for the relevant cleaving mechanism, and/or that explanation is so oversimplified it's basically (heh) wrong.

    These substitutions increase the spike protein's ability to fuse with ACE2 receptors, and that is believed to be a key to both variants' increased transmissibility, Alpha's increased lethally, and part of what's looking to be increased lethality for Delta. The other part is that while I've seen a bit of evidence that Alpha isn't quite the same in antibodies to it compared to classic Wuhan, Delta has significant immune escape mutations. Clinically not catastrophic unless you roll snake eyes, but enough to lower all vaccine metrics by ~7-10%. But don't take that figure any distance, I've not rigorously studied this, it's early in the process of figuring out and the exact numbers don't really matter to me, just that they're significantly lower, convert to "X times more" and that's not small.

    Plus there's an outlier report by the Israeli health ministry on contracting Delta, but it's not matched by what they report for hospitalization frequency, which is in line everyone else I've seen so far. Some conspiratorial people wonder if this is a negotiating gambit and I note there is a new government and they're going for a second boost dose, third total dose for those over 60 who of course statistically have less competent immune systems. That's what tripped up Sanofi's V1.0 vaccine candidate, V2.0 is reported to be good, it's in the same style as Novavax's, bug cell culture grown protein plus adjuvant.

    Getting back to the point of "contagiousness" (and, yes, as someone who got shingles fairly young, resulting in the only narcotic prescription I've filled as an adult, get the vaccine against it when you're old enough!), Wikipedia's page on R0 lists "COVID-19
    (ancestral strain)" as 2.9 (2.4–3.4), Alpha as 4–5, Delta as 5–9.5, and chickenpox at 10–12. So the top range per their sources of Delta is close to the lower range of chickenpox. And the range of Delta is significantly higher than Alpha.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

  111. health officials had been operating under the assumption that it was extraordinarily rare for a vaccinated person to become infected with the virus.

    Oh, look: More credentialed, expert, government bureaucrats.

    The government tells us to “just say no”, except when it won’t take no for an answer.

    Masks, COVID triple-vaccinations, Kevlar vests, and $15K user fees required for kids who wish to return to public schools.

    [MORE]

    I am amazed, though not surprised, at how the government is reacting to COVID, as compared to how it reacted to HIV.

    In the early 1980’s, gay men were dying, and in numbers way out of proportion to the general population, from a horrible disease, yet they were not to be quarantined, their bathhouses not to be closed, etc. Officially, the spreaders were said to be blood donors, “Haitians”, and sexually actives (including straight women).

    In 2019, the whole country was locked down even though the chances of healthy, young people dying from Covid continue to be less than their chance of dying in automobile accidents on the way to the free vax site.

  112. @El Dato
    > Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.
    > a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.”

    Ah!

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    Meanwhile: More rogue live data packets on the Internet of life.

    Looks like we have a backlog in training people's immune system, and do those masks really work?

    Increased Interseasonal Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) Activity in Parts of the Southern United States

    RSV is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus (for those with fat brains: it's not a Coronavirus)


    Summary

     



    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased interseasonal respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) activity across parts of the Southern United States. Due to this increased activity, CDC encourages broader testing for RSV among patients presenting with acute respiratory illness who test negative for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. RSV can be associated with severe disease in young children and older adults. This health advisory also serves as a reminder to healthcare personnel, childcare providers, and staff of long-term care facilities to avoid reporting to work while acutely ill – even if they test negative for SARS-CoV-2.

    Background

    RSV is an RNA virus of the genus Orthopneumovirus, family Pneumoviridae, primarily spread via respiratory droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and through direct contact with a contaminated surface. RSV is the most common cause of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children under one year of age in the United States. Infants, young children, and older adults with chronic medical conditions are at risk of severe disease from RSV infection. Each year in the United States, RSV leads to on average approximately 58,000 hospitalizations1 with 100-500 deaths among children younger than 5 years old2 and 177,000 hospitalizations with 14,000 deaths among adults aged 65 years or older.3

    ....

    CDC noted increases in laboratory detections and in the percentages of positive detections for both antigen and PCR testing in parts of HHS Region 4 (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee) and Region 6 (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas). Due to limited testing outside of the typical RSV season, data are limited in some jurisdictions and may be incomplete for the most recent weeks.

    Due to reduced circulation of RSV during the winter months of 2020–2021, older infants and toddlers might now be at increased risk of severe RSV-associated illness since they have likely not had typical levels of exposure to RSV during the past 15 months. In infants younger than six months, RSV infection may result in symptoms of irritability, poor feeding, lethargy, and/or apnea with or without fever. In older infants and young children, rhinorrhea and decreased appetite may appear one to three days before cough, often followed by sneezing, fever, and sometimes wheezing. Symptoms in adults are typically consistent with upper respiratory tract infections, including rhinorrhea, pharyngitis, cough, headache, fatigue, and fever. There is no specific treatment for RSV infection other than symptom management.

     

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @SaneClownPosse

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse.

    Some data nerds are pointing to the opposite being the case – that vaccination is more protective against getting covid, but once you get it the risks of severe illness are about the same (unless you’re older than 65, in which case the vaccines seem to provide more protection against severe illness). I’m still not convinced either way, but this guy makes a compelling case:

    https://drrollergator.substack.com/p/damned-lies-and-vaccine-statistics

    Also this is the Pfizer study that was done on 40k + patients.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_home

    A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo.

    More BNT162b2 recipients than placebo recipients reported any adverse event (27% and 12%, respectively) or a related adverse event (21% and 5%).

    Among 36,523 participants who had no evidence of existing or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose were observed among vaccine recipients and 162 among placebo recipients.

    Two BNT162b2 recipients died (one from arteriosclerosis, one from cardiac arrest), as did four placebo recipients (two from unknown causes, one from hemorrhagic stroke, and one from myocardial infarction). No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo. No Covid-19–associated deaths were observed.

    • Thanks: photondancer
  113. @Almost Missouri

    the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of “a handful of positive COVID cases among folks” who spent time there.
     
    A rule of thumb nowadays seems to be that if a public official goes out of his way to invoke old-fashioned countryside neighbors with the term "folks", it means he is actually referring to more or less the opposite: a distinct and malignant minority who are culpable for whatever ill has befallen them.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dmon

    Doofus Dry Drunk Dubya referred to the 9/11 terrorists as “folks” in a speech not long after the attack.

  114. Seven people were reported hospitalized.

    If I had to guess, that would be a rather low average hospitalization rate for a buggerers ball of that size. Nobody wants to actually look at what these freaks are doing to each other or the necessary damage physically, epidemiologically, and economically.

  115. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.

    I’ve never really considered myself some sort of super-duper “conservative”. More of a “what’s really going on?”, “does this make any sense?”, “how can this possibly work when the incentives are backasswards?” kind of guy.

    But the whole homosexual AIDS scam, where wildly promiscuous (and often drug using) homos cooked up serious viral epidemic, refused normal public measures to deal with it … then blamed it normies … which all meant more homosexual liberation! … and homosexual marriage. Yeah, that was a “conservative”–“this is ‘effing ridiculous! you’re peddling lies and illogic”–moment for me.

    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking “far right” loon**. (“Far right” means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, “rule of law”, white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i’ll do as well as the next guy as your “conservative man”.

    My take on lesbians:
    — my guess is fewer “true lesbians” than male homosexuals (1%ish rather than 2%ish?)
    — but female sexuality is more amorphous less binary than male; so more “hangers on”
    — boring
    — frumpy
    — dumpy
    — do not let them into your organization!
    — lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik

    But disease spreaders like queers? … LOL.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad


    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking “far right” loon**. (“Far right” means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, “rule of law”, white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i’ll do as well as the next guy as your “conservative man”.
     
    I simply think that the America (and Europe for that matter) of the 1970s / 1980s (early 80s, anyway) - i.e. the America of my youth - was a pretty good place. Not perfect, mind you. Not without any problems. But pretty good.

    For that, I am now considered a reactionary.

    Replies: @BLESTO-V

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik
     
    Speaking of which, I’m wondering if there are any neuropathy experts on isteve?

    If so, can you explain why Rachel Maddow generally speaks from the right side of her mouth? Could that be due to a long-past mini-stroke, or has it something to do with some kind of genetically-based neural dysfunction, or perhaps a virus? Past Alcoholism? A sign that something worse is going on?

    She does it every day, but I don’t think she’s ever explained what her problem is:

    https://youtu.be/yF_IGqSdN20

    Replies: @Anon, @duncsbaby

  116. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners.
     
    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?

    Replies: @Peterike, @Mike Tre, @AnotherDad, @JMcG

    Jack, if you’re not being coy, homos have more partners than straights by orders of magnitude.

  117. @Almost Missouri

    the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of “a handful of positive COVID cases among folks” who spent time there.
     
    A rule of thumb nowadays seems to be that if a public official goes out of his way to invoke old-fashioned countryside neighbors with the term "folks", it means he is actually referring to more or less the opposite: a distinct and malignant minority who are culpable for whatever ill has befallen them.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dmon

    One hears this locution a lot in the leftist christian churches… ‘gay folks’, ‘trans folks’, lately ‘kink folks’. Yep, they’re just another variety of salt of the earth church people; Grandpa Joe over here, Aunt Sue over there, and the handcuffed cross dresser over that way; all just folks, don’t judge, just accept!

  118. @Altai
    Steve hasn't noted to my recollection the media obliqueness about the initial outbreak in the US being the Orthodox enclave in the New York town of New Rochelle. (For obvious reasons of their social practices being very conductive to the spreading of respiratory diseases) Early on people were confused as to why cases in NYC were so over the place. I noticed and most of the weird places were Orthodox enclaves. Even the first case in Kansas was in an Orthodox enclave in a suburb of Kansas City from somebody who'd visited relatives in New Rochelle. The first cases in NYC were Orthodox commuters from New Rochelle.

    The AIPAC case too was from delegates from New Rochelle.

    And, needless to say the eventual high profile actions of the Orthodox in NYC meant that even Cuomo actually stopped using euphemisms.

    One of the biggest stories early on was the eventual army shutdown of the town of New Rochelle (The residents couldn't even go out to get their own food for a time, the military brought it to your door) and despite it being straight out of a Hollywood film, the media was very coy about covering it because of the risk of people noticing things.

    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-03-09%20at%2011.43.40%20AM.png

    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. 'Westchester' really means New Rochelle.

    Replies: @FPD72, @utu

    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. ‘Westchester’ really means New Rochelle.

    More high jinks from Rob and Laura Petrie no doubt that they didn’t want to blame on Carl.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @FPD72

    So the twin beds were for show, not for go?

  119. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Except for the unnatural part, how does this differ from Spring Break in Cancun?
     
    Jack, i guess your spring breaks were a bit more "vigorous" than mine.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am not an expert on what goes on at Spring Break nowadays, nor what goes on in Provincetown, but I suspect that the cultures have converged quite a bit from our salad days.

    However, for the “unnatural part”, I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that “unnatural acts” are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual
    casual “dating”:

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/07/casual-sex-norms-men-communication-advice.html

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    However, for the “unnatural part”, I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that “unnatural acts” are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual casual “dating”:
     
    The campaign to normalize such unhygenic, and even outright disgusting acts is truly evil. It might well have something to do with the increase in colo-rectal cancers among young people. Hey, Brian Williams, are you proud of your daughter?

    However, I wouldn't bet that the readership of Slate is typical of the broader public. Given what they publish, who would read that on a regular basis other than brainwashed s**t-libs?
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    It's not about unnatural. Gays probably tend to orgiastically hump & group together like a bunch of monkeys, which is generally absent from group behavior nowadays.

    Even with fully vaccinated participants, those close encounters result in Covid spike among participants (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/14/after-fivefold-jump-in-covid-cases-netherlands-is-ruing-nightlife-reopening/?sh=3107d3405958).

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  120. Gee, it’s almost as if sharing precious bodily fluids via intimate contact in various ways could lead to infection.

    Who knew?

    I would think, in my own naive way, that dangerous viruses survive and thrive better in fluids like blood or semen than merely via off skin cells or breathing.

    Not to mention contact on crowded dance floors.

    I suspect eager CDC researchers are already flocking to Provincetown to check this out…

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  121. @El Dato
    > Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.
    > a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.”

    Ah!

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    Meanwhile: More rogue live data packets on the Internet of life.

    Looks like we have a backlog in training people's immune system, and do those masks really work?

    Increased Interseasonal Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) Activity in Parts of the Southern United States

    RSV is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus (for those with fat brains: it's not a Coronavirus)


    Summary

     



    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased interseasonal respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) activity across parts of the Southern United States. Due to this increased activity, CDC encourages broader testing for RSV among patients presenting with acute respiratory illness who test negative for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. RSV can be associated with severe disease in young children and older adults. This health advisory also serves as a reminder to healthcare personnel, childcare providers, and staff of long-term care facilities to avoid reporting to work while acutely ill – even if they test negative for SARS-CoV-2.

    Background

    RSV is an RNA virus of the genus Orthopneumovirus, family Pneumoviridae, primarily spread via respiratory droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and through direct contact with a contaminated surface. RSV is the most common cause of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children under one year of age in the United States. Infants, young children, and older adults with chronic medical conditions are at risk of severe disease from RSV infection. Each year in the United States, RSV leads to on average approximately 58,000 hospitalizations1 with 100-500 deaths among children younger than 5 years old2 and 177,000 hospitalizations with 14,000 deaths among adults aged 65 years or older.3

    ....

    CDC noted increases in laboratory detections and in the percentages of positive detections for both antigen and PCR testing in parts of HHS Region 4 (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee) and Region 6 (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas). Due to limited testing outside of the typical RSV season, data are limited in some jurisdictions and may be incomplete for the most recent weeks.

    Due to reduced circulation of RSV during the winter months of 2020–2021, older infants and toddlers might now be at increased risk of severe RSV-associated illness since they have likely not had typical levels of exposure to RSV during the past 15 months. In infants younger than six months, RSV infection may result in symptoms of irritability, poor feeding, lethargy, and/or apnea with or without fever. In older infants and young children, rhinorrhea and decreased appetite may appear one to three days before cough, often followed by sneezing, fever, and sometimes wheezing. Symptoms in adults are typically consistent with upper respiratory tract infections, including rhinorrhea, pharyngitis, cough, headache, fatigue, and fever. There is no specific treatment for RSV infection other than symptom management.

     

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @SaneClownPosse

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    I believe that, according to the CDC’s latest guidelines, the vaccine will not prevent you from getting the virus, but if you do get it, the symptoms will be relatively mild (as indeed they are for many people who get the virus without having had the vaccine). So you won’t have to go to the hospital. But when you do go to the hospitals, it will be in one of those hospitals with really sexy nurses and good food. But you won’t die. And if you die, it will be one of those story-book like deaths of the kind you see in movies about beautiful young women or young athletes tragically dieing before their time.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon


    But when you do go to the hospitals, it will be in one of those hospitals with really sexy nurses and good food.
     
    What TH country are you living in, Mr. Anon, Uruguay, Burkina Faso, East Timor? I need to know for my bug-out plans. No, OK, the food is OK really. Scrubs just don't do it for me, though. This old PS post on healthcare in China shows the way it ought to be.

    Thanks, readers. I knew you'd click!
  122. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    To a heterosexual man, lesbians are the most dull, uninteresting people on earth.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Not the ones that were in Penthouse in the late seventies.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    , @James J O'Meara
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    As I've said before, we were promised The Hunger 24/7 (Susan Sarandon, Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, Peter Murphy) but what we got were blue-haired land whales, Milo, and "Rachel" Levine. As Travolta says in Pulp Fiction, "What a gyp." (Has that been cancelled yet?)

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  123. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I am not an expert on what goes on at Spring Break nowadays, nor what goes on in Provincetown, but I suspect that the cultures have converged quite a bit from our salad days.


    However, for the "unnatural part", I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that "unnatural acts" are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual
    casual "dating":

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/07/casual-sex-norms-men-communication-advice.html

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian

    However, for the “unnatural part”, I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that “unnatural acts” are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual casual “dating”:

    The campaign to normalize such unhygenic, and even outright disgusting acts is truly evil. It might well have something to do with the increase in colo-rectal cancers among young people. Hey, Brian Williams, are you proud of your daughter?

    However, I wouldn’t bet that the readership of Slate is typical of the broader public. Given what they publish, who would read that on a regular basis other than brainwashed s**t-libs?

  124. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.
     
    I've never really considered myself some sort of super-duper "conservative". More of a "what's really going on?", "does this make any sense?", "how can this possibly work when the incentives are backasswards?" kind of guy.

    But the whole homosexual AIDS scam, where wildly promiscuous (and often drug using) homos cooked up serious viral epidemic, refused normal public measures to deal with it ... then blamed it normies ... which all meant more homosexual liberation! ... and homosexual marriage. Yeah, that was a "conservative"--"this is 'effing ridiculous! you're peddling lies and illogic"--moment for me.

    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking "far right" loon**. ("Far right" means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, "rule of law", white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i'll do as well as the next guy as your "conservative man".

    My take on lesbians:
    -- my guess is fewer "true lesbians" than male homosexuals (1%ish rather than 2%ish?)
    -- but female sexuality is more amorphous less binary than male; so more "hangers on"
    -- boring
    -- frumpy
    -- dumpy
    -- do not let them into your organization!
    -- lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik

    But disease spreaders like queers? ... LOL.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking “far right” loon**. (“Far right” means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, “rule of law”, white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i’ll do as well as the next guy as your “conservative man”.

    I simply think that the America (and Europe for that matter) of the 1970s / 1980s (early 80s, anyway) – i.e. the America of my youth – was a pretty good place. Not perfect, mind you. Not without any problems. But pretty good.

    For that, I am now considered a reactionary.

    • Replies: @BLESTO-V
    @Mr. Anon

    Is it possible that today's gays don't realize their forerunners were doing exactly as they pleased, undisturbed, in 1975?

  125. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    Yeah, well, this post is about spreading diseases and lesbians aren’t nearly as promiscuous, and they don’t screw each other in the ass… unless there’s the odd movie I’ve missed.

  126. @Altai
    Steve hasn't noted to my recollection the media obliqueness about the initial outbreak in the US being the Orthodox enclave in the New York town of New Rochelle. (For obvious reasons of their social practices being very conductive to the spreading of respiratory diseases) Early on people were confused as to why cases in NYC were so over the place. I noticed and most of the weird places were Orthodox enclaves. Even the first case in Kansas was in an Orthodox enclave in a suburb of Kansas City from somebody who'd visited relatives in New Rochelle. The first cases in NYC were Orthodox commuters from New Rochelle.

    The AIPAC case too was from delegates from New Rochelle.

    And, needless to say the eventual high profile actions of the Orthodox in NYC meant that even Cuomo actually stopped using euphemisms.

    One of the biggest stories early on was the eventual army shutdown of the town of New Rochelle (The residents couldn't even go out to get their own food for a time, the military brought it to your door) and despite it being straight out of a Hollywood film, the media was very coy about covering it because of the risk of people noticing things.

    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-03-09%20at%2011.43.40%20AM.png

    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. 'Westchester' really means New Rochelle.

    Replies: @FPD72, @utu

  127. @TruthRevolution.net
    We must never speak negatively of "minorities" in order to avoid "prejudice".

    This iron clad media ethics regulation is documented in all detail by sincerity dot net.
    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.

    @Isteve and others fill in the omitted information, so we get a picture more close to the truth.

    With incomplete information come bad policy decisions and befuddlement with the unexpected, often deadly, outcomes.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.

    Note that Peter Johnson agrees. As no doubt do his brothers Dick, Willie, and John Thomas.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Reg Cæsar

    There used to be a well-known cowboy actor known as Chubby Johnson.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K3f7v_7ByME/VFEzwiYD1II/AAAAAAAA4wI/s7nO1CHus7s/s1600/25704436_137048139190.jpg

  128. @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    My guess is that the gay angle probably drives an extra measure of deceit about true vaccination status. If the infected group admitted that they were actually only 44% fully vaccinated (making up a number based on what I assume are the ages of most of the attendees at this bacchanal and the average immunization rates by age) instead of purportedly 74% fully vaccinated, the epidemiological conclusions would be much different and the little girls running the Biden administration wouldn't be panicking with their panties needlessly in a twist.

    It's mainly, as I said in my prior comment, that the progressive orthodoxy of the P-town gay community is so stultifying and intolerant (when I visited years ago I felt like the only straight guy, and I must have been the only person willing to express a staunch "states rights" view on gay marriage legalization) that I am assuming that more people than average would lie in that environment about their vaccine hesitancy.

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @Anon, @Dumbo

    I’m pretty sure gays are more vaccinated as a group than non-gays. The SF Gay chorus even had a song about vaccination, and progressives in general are big fans of vaccination.

    Plus, gays love pricks.

    As for the 80s Aids scare, it was similar to Covid, in the sense that the media and medicine quacks created a huge panic about people getting Aids in any type of sex act, when it was mostly just through homosexual anal sex. (Although apparently a few heterosexuals were unfortunate enough to catch it through blood transfusions).

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Dumbo

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can't remember any other celebrity.

    The number of non-African, non-homosexual sexually transmitted HIV cases in the UK is almost zero. All the saturation public health advertising in the '80s was mostly pointless.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Reg Cæsar

  129. @Jack D
    @HA

    1. The Israel data on vaccinated people getting "long Covid" is very slim - 20% of 3% of Israeli healthcare workers is equal to 7 cases. It's usually not a good idea to make healthcare policy decisions based on 7 cases of anything.

    2. Even if you have a breakthru infection, being vaccinated cuts your risk of ending up in the hospital or dying by a factor of around 25 - from 1% mortality for the unvaccinated down to .04% mortality for the vaccinated infected. That's a VERY significant difference. It's a shame that the vaccine doesn't cut the risk of death from Covid 100% but a 96% reduction is pretty good.

    3. I give the "just the flu" bros no credit. They were saying (are STILL saying) that it's just the flu even in the absence of a vaccine. The fact that even for vaccinated individuals Covid can still be serious shows how much MORE it is than the flu for the unvaccinated. Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox. In the days before chicken pox vaccine, when one kid in a class got chicken pox, the whole class got it because it was so highly contagious. (BTW, if you are an oldster, get the shingles vaccine if you haven't already.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox.

    I don’t trust the CDC at all when it comes to this sort of infectious disease science, but Delta is bad. Like Alpha, it’s got an amino acid substitution in the furin cleavage area of the spike protein at location 681, going from proline to histidine and then to arginine. After looking at all three I can’t say I yet understand the chemical significance as I’ve read filtered through I guess the MSM, supposedly they’re successively less acidic. What anyone can observe is that the side chains are successively longer; pKa is a measure of acidity, the lower the more acidic. Probably arginine moving its most acidic group way further out than histidine makes the difference where it counts for the relevant cleaving mechanism, and/or that explanation is so oversimplified it’s basically (heh) wrong.

    These substitutions increase the spike protein’s ability to fuse with ACE2 receptors, and that is believed to be a key to both variants’ increased transmissibility, Alpha’s increased lethally, and part of what’s looking to be increased lethality for Delta. The other part is that while I’ve seen a bit of evidence that Alpha isn’t quite the same in antibodies to it compared to classic Wuhan, Delta has significant immune escape mutations. Clinically not catastrophic unless you roll snake eyes, but enough to lower all vaccine metrics by ~7-10%. But don’t take that figure any distance, I’ve not rigorously studied this, it’s early in the process of figuring out and the exact numbers don’t really matter to me, just that they’re significantly lower, convert to “X times more” and that’s not small.

    Plus there’s an outlier report by the Israeli health ministry on contracting Delta, but it’s not matched by what they report for hospitalization frequency, which is in line everyone else I’ve seen so far. Some conspiratorial people wonder if this is a negotiating gambit and I note there is a new government and they’re going for a second boost dose, third total dose for those over 60 who of course statistically have less competent immune systems. That’s what tripped up Sanofi’s V1.0 vaccine candidate, V2.0 is reported to be good, it’s in the same style as Novavax’s, bug cell culture grown protein plus adjuvant.

    Getting back to the point of “contagiousness” (and, yes, as someone who got shingles fairly young, resulting in the only narcotic prescription I’ve filled as an adult, get the vaccine against it when you’re old enough!), Wikipedia’s page on R0 lists “COVID-19
    (ancestral strain)” as 2.9 (2.4–3.4), Alpha as 4–5, Delta as 5–9.5, and chickenpox at 10–12. So the top range per their sources of Delta is close to the lower range of chickenpox. And the range of Delta is significantly higher than Alpha.

  130. Went to P-Town with my bride and several friends just to see what it was like.

    The word “freak show” comes to mind.

    We walked around a bit until we just couldn’t take it anymore and left.

    Yeesh!!!!!

  131. @Mr. Anon
    @El Dato


    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.
     
    I believe that, according to the CDC's latest guidelines, the vaccine will not prevent you from getting the virus, but if you do get it, the symptoms will be relatively mild (as indeed they are for many people who get the virus without having had the vaccine). So you won't have to go to the hospital. But when you do go to the hospitals, it will be in one of those hospitals with really sexy nurses and good food. But you won't die. And if you die, it will be one of those story-book like deaths of the kind you see in movies about beautiful young women or young athletes tragically dieing before their time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    But when you do go to the hospitals, it will be in one of those hospitals with really sexy nurses and good food.

    What TH country are you living in, Mr. Anon, Uruguay, Burkina Faso, East Timor? I need to know for my bug-out plans. No, OK, the food is OK really. Scrubs just don’t do it for me, though. This old PS post on healthcare in China shows the way it ought to be.

    [MORE]

    Thanks, readers. I knew you’d click!

  132. @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Lesbians don't have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Lesbians don’t have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.

    Just because they’re minor leaguers doesn’t mean they’re not pros:

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/ask-experts/can-lesbians-get-stis

    Q: What are important health issues for lesbians to discuss with their doctors or nurses?

    Q: What other STDs can lesbian women get?

    Do Lesbians need STD tests?

    Note that the last is from the County, not the City, of Los Angeles. Is this West Hollywood and Santa Monica speaking?

    Watch where you jog, Steve!

    There are large numbers of LGBT residents of Venice, Los Angeles and the City of Santa Monica. Other communities with LGBT residents include Elysian Park, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Reseda, Sherman Oaks, Studio City, and Van Nuys.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture_in_Los_Angeles#Geography

    Census Data Map [2011!] Shows the Gayborhoods of Los Angeles

    Stay home and report on this phenomenon:

    Gentrification is Changing Iconic Gay Neighborhoods in L.A. and S.F.

    Wedged snugly between two of the most popular gay bars on Santa Monica Boulevard is Block Party, the “gayest” store in West Hollywood…

    “We lost our community in the last three or four years,” said Larry Block from the sidewalk in front of his shop. Most of the other gay-owned clothing and retail owners have closed…

    “This was the community in which the guys would come to shop. You know, gays like things a little tighter, a little shorter, a little skimpy or a little shearer. They like it a little sexier,” Block said.

    Dr Reuben was right!!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    A little more sheer. A little Shearer is a Simpsons clip.

  133. @El Dato
    > Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.
    > a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.”

    Ah!

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    Meanwhile: More rogue live data packets on the Internet of life.

    Looks like we have a backlog in training people's immune system, and do those masks really work?

    Increased Interseasonal Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) Activity in Parts of the Southern United States

    RSV is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus (for those with fat brains: it's not a Coronavirus)


    Summary

     



    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased interseasonal respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) activity across parts of the Southern United States. Due to this increased activity, CDC encourages broader testing for RSV among patients presenting with acute respiratory illness who test negative for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. RSV can be associated with severe disease in young children and older adults. This health advisory also serves as a reminder to healthcare personnel, childcare providers, and staff of long-term care facilities to avoid reporting to work while acutely ill – even if they test negative for SARS-CoV-2.

    Background

    RSV is an RNA virus of the genus Orthopneumovirus, family Pneumoviridae, primarily spread via respiratory droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and through direct contact with a contaminated surface. RSV is the most common cause of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children under one year of age in the United States. Infants, young children, and older adults with chronic medical conditions are at risk of severe disease from RSV infection. Each year in the United States, RSV leads to on average approximately 58,000 hospitalizations1 with 100-500 deaths among children younger than 5 years old2 and 177,000 hospitalizations with 14,000 deaths among adults aged 65 years or older.3

    ....

    CDC noted increases in laboratory detections and in the percentages of positive detections for both antigen and PCR testing in parts of HHS Region 4 (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee) and Region 6 (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas). Due to limited testing outside of the typical RSV season, data are limited in some jurisdictions and may be incomplete for the most recent weeks.

    Due to reduced circulation of RSV during the winter months of 2020–2021, older infants and toddlers might now be at increased risk of severe RSV-associated illness since they have likely not had typical levels of exposure to RSV during the past 15 months. In infants younger than six months, RSV infection may result in symptoms of irritability, poor feeding, lethargy, and/or apnea with or without fever. In older infants and young children, rhinorrhea and decreased appetite may appear one to three days before cough, often followed by sneezing, fever, and sometimes wheezing. Symptoms in adults are typically consistent with upper respiratory tract infections, including rhinorrhea, pharyngitis, cough, headache, fatigue, and fever. There is no specific treatment for RSV infection other than symptom management.

     

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @SaneClownPosse

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse.

    And there’s a mechanism that explains this that seems not to be discussed at all in the press: “mucosal immunity” vs “systemic immunity”.

    The first is localized and what you get after you have asymptomatic or mild covid. Also probably controls whether and how much you spread it.

    The second is what you get when you have the vaccine or after serious covid and makes it less likely that you’ll have serious covid again.

    Apparently they’re mostly (though not entirely) independent of each other. So you can get serious covid after mild covid, e.g. if you get a big dose of virus that somehow goes deeper / gets to places the first one didn’t. And also even if you’re vaccinated you can get/give the virus if you’ve never had it.

    Not going to spam the whole thing here again but some sources in
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/im-getting-depressed-about-covid-again/#comment-4803144

  134. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    Didn’t the guardian have a big article that butt sex wearing a face mask was safe?

  135. @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Masking has made a big comeback in my moonbat college town (Department of Redundancy Department); it’s only a matter of time before indoor masking will be required, followed by an outdoor masking requirement. Many other Massachusetts towns in the “coalition of the moonbats” (P-town, Cambridge, Brookline, and soon, Northampton) have reintroduced mask requirements, and our local school administration has stated that while school will be open in the fall, all students and staff will be required to wear masks regardless of vaccine status. I guess the tin foil hatters are right, the vaccine doesn’t work, that’s why we have to wear masks. But you better get the COVID 9 Vactine, as Slow Joe put it.

    (I think I just set some kind of record for the number of times using the term ‘mask’ in a paragraph)

    Oh, and I’d lay some odds that the Dead and Company show at Citi Field on 20 August that I have tix for will not be happening. On the other hand, if the show does go on I’ll be interested in hearing “Brown-Eyed Women” sung through a face diaper.

    And another thing: I flew earlier in the week, and in the airports and on the planes they kept yammering on about how Federal law requires that masks be on at all times, except when one is actually depositing food into one’s yap. Take a bite or drink, put the mask back on. Is it really a law, passed by a legislative body and signed by an executive; or is it, as I suspect, a directive from the CDC or FAA, or an executive order from a governor, or the Dementia Patient in Chief?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @additionalMike, @BLESTO-V

    Thanks, Mr. Ganderson. I’m not sure what kind of “law” it is, if any. I do know it is a Federal thing, and to be enforced by the TSA (who else could do such a job?). The rumor was that it was to go away sometime in September, but that was just before all the variant hype.

    Is Doctor Fauci actually Doctor. Demento? I’ve never seen them in the same place together.

  136. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I am not an expert on what goes on at Spring Break nowadays, nor what goes on in Provincetown, but I suspect that the cultures have converged quite a bit from our salad days.


    However, for the "unnatural part", I clicked on a Slate link the other day (not something I do regularly anymore), and I learned that "unnatural acts" are apparently now an expected part of heterosexual
    casual "dating":

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/07/casual-sex-norms-men-communication-advice.html

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s not about unnatural. Gays probably tend to orgiastically hump & group together like a bunch of monkeys, which is generally absent from group behavior nowadays.

    Even with fully vaccinated participants, those close encounters result in Covid spike among participants (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/14/after-fivefold-jump-in-covid-cases-netherlands-is-ruing-nightlife-reopening/?sh=3107d3405958).

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Bardon Kaldian

    There's a long-term plan to crack down on partying in Amsterdam. They want to maintain nightlife in the city, but transition away from younger, rowdier types to an older, calmer crowd.

    https://twitter.com/Fergusbartfast/status/1403404981890338816

    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1348618284040658945

    https://twitter.com/RockCheetah/status/1357337504832049152


    Amsterdam has said it will not allow a return to the “nuisance and massive crowds” the city endured before the pandemic, sending a blunt warning that visitors “whose intention is to booze and misbehave, dressed like a penis” should go elsewhere.

    As much of the EU prepares to open up to tourists who are vaccinated, have recovered from the coronavirus or can provide a negative test from 1 July, the Dutch capital’s city hall said in a statement it was taking “extra measures” to discourage excesses.
     

    Temporary bans on alcohol, laughing gas and sound systems can and will be imposed when concentrations of people become too great, the city warned. The city’s mayor, Femke Halsema, told the newspaper Het Parool that Amsterdam could not refuse people, but was trying to encourage more cultural tourism and reduce nuisance levels.

    The city’s promotion agency, amsterdam&partners, is launching a campaign of posters and online information to raise awareness of “desired behaviour”. The city “does not want nuisance from poor behaviour – like noise, peeing in public, street drunkenness”, a spokesperson told Dutchnews. “So we are starting an activation campaign targeting the kind of behaviour we do want.”
     
  137. Where are all the infections among grocery store workers and fast-food workers? Fast-food workers spend a lot of time in close quarters with their fellow employees in the back for quite a long time and I haven’t heard about any outbreaks at these places. Maybe I just missed it in the news.

    I don’t recall them getting sick much in March and April 2020 before masks in my area and many are not wearing masks now.

  138. @Almost Missouri

    the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of “a handful of positive COVID cases among folks” who spent time there.
     
    A rule of thumb nowadays seems to be that if a public official goes out of his way to invoke old-fashioned countryside neighbors with the term "folks", it means he is actually referring to more or less the opposite: a distinct and malignant minority who are culpable for whatever ill has befallen them.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Mike_from_SGV, @Dmon

    Good point – as a tell, it’s right up there with them addressing “Y’all”.

  139. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Democratic Party

    The Homosexual Pederast Party

    Democratic Party Family Values

    US 4 Star Army General Slimey Mark Milley….onboard with this sewage…

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    The fistfu**ers party.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Morton's toes

    How do you think General Mark Milley acquired his 4 stars?

  140. @MGB
    @Ben Kurtz

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. I live in the region and my personal experience is that being ‘fully vaccinated’ is a proud symbol of sophistication. Don’t know what the demographics of the summer PTown crowd is but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben Kurtz, @3g4me

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US … but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    The topline number I looked up today is 60% for the state as a whole, but going to the state’s page on this it’s 76% for the county including Provincetown, and as you note we’d need to know if this population is mostly MA residents. The weekly report only does age stratification by “at least once dose” but it’s pretty good going down to 16-19 years of age, starting there and then the following at ten year intervals we’ve got 65%, 67%, 78%, 79%, then for 50-64 years of age 86%.

    One other detail from that weekly report is that use of the deliberately less effective Janssen single jab is low compared to the mRNA vaccines.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @That Would Be Telling

    The entire Cape has thousands of people blowing in and out every 7 to 10 days all summer. It would be hard to pin down who's from where.

  141. Sorry, but…hahhahaha..

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/31/us/gay-games-lgbtq-olympics-trnd/index.html

    Welcome to the ‘Gay Games,’ an alternative to the Olympics, where activism is encouraged and everyone’s an athlete

  142. @Jack D
    @HA

    1. The Israel data on vaccinated people getting "long Covid" is very slim - 20% of 3% of Israeli healthcare workers is equal to 7 cases. It's usually not a good idea to make healthcare policy decisions based on 7 cases of anything.

    2. Even if you have a breakthru infection, being vaccinated cuts your risk of ending up in the hospital or dying by a factor of around 25 - from 1% mortality for the unvaccinated down to .04% mortality for the vaccinated infected. That's a VERY significant difference. It's a shame that the vaccine doesn't cut the risk of death from Covid 100% but a 96% reduction is pretty good.

    3. I give the "just the flu" bros no credit. They were saying (are STILL saying) that it's just the flu even in the absence of a vaccine. The fact that even for vaccinated individuals Covid can still be serious shows how much MORE it is than the flu for the unvaccinated. Apparently the Delta variant is one of the most contagious viruses ever recorded, in a league with chicken pox. In the days before chicken pox vaccine, when one kid in a class got chicken pox, the whole class got it because it was so highly contagious. (BTW, if you are an oldster, get the shingles vaccine if you haven't already.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @AnotherDad

    Good comment Jack.

    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) “Public health” authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid–test verified–back around Christmas. He’s a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he’s under pressure to “get vaxed”, even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who’ve had the bug.

    Clear info–antibodies are what matter. Have “antibody passports” that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.

    2) Where’s my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be “on it”. Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the “delta vax” trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw ’em. Get back to work.

    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    • Replies: @HA
    @AnotherDad

    "Are the “delta vax” trials underway?"


    Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19 — including the highly transmittable Delta variant. The booster shot is currently undergoing trials.... the company said it is also developing an updated Pfizer-BioNtech COVID vaccine that will target the Delta variant specifically... and clinical studies are expected to begin in August, pending approval.


     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    To be clearer, as peoples' exposure (bug or vax) recedes, what's really needed are tests that your memory B+T cells are ready to crank up and kick the bug's ass.

    I know such tests have been developed. Not sure when they'll be commercially available and whether they can be done at trivial cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @jsm
    @AnotherDad


    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.
     
    Better advice: Find a kid with active chickenpox, to recharge your own immunity.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    1) “Public health” authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.
     
    First they'd have to actually care about infectious disease control (in the US). Saint Fauci does because that's been his gig since his residency, he I can't understand because he's admitted at least twice lying, about masks to reserve them for his own community, and about what's required for herd immunity, lower than anything credible to encourage people to get vaccinated. Can't understand how any thinking being would trust him after that, but of course one problem is with that minor detail of thinking.

    Clear info–antibodies are what matter. Have “antibody passports” that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)
     
    Quibbles and such:

    Antibodies are the best, since they can stop cells from getting hijacked in the first place. And while your initial antibody fleet from an infection or vaccination is winding down, your memory B cells which are poised to make a new fleet refine your response for months.

    BUT, you also have a cellular part of your adaptive immune system, including CD8+ cytotoxic T cells that have their own independent recognition system and kill hijacked cells. I've seen many people claim they help a lot when for whatever reason you get infected or infected again.

    Testing for antibodies isn't a 100% thing, and there's always "embrace the healing power of 'and'." Natural immunity is apparently now considered to be better than vaccine for Delta because it attacks additional targets like the nucleocapsid protein. That's not a primary target for vaccine makers because it's hidden inside the virus under its envelope, so antibodies etc. can't target it until a cell has been hijacked. But natural plus vaccine immunity? Better than either, not that anyone should be seeking out natural immunity as the dominant variants get more deadly (or so we're starting to get some evidence for with Delta, already have it for Alpha).

    2) Where’s my Delta vax?
     
    It's not considered to be absolutely essential, and while you're correct it popped up a long time ago, October 2020 per Wikipedia, it took a long time to realize it was going to be the next really bad variant. I'm sure the vaccine developers are working on it, but first I believe they're trying to demonstrate that vaccines for prior variants of concern are "safe and effective," we're not yet in a position like we are with the flu where we're fairly confident minor tweaks are OK.

    I too do not give shingles a positive review, that's a good way of putting it if you have an uncomplicated case, three weeks for me. For some people adverse effects linger for years, and it can be fatal.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @MGB
    @AnotherDad

    B cells T cells etc. that’s the Cleveland Clinic report. Prior infection as efficacious as the jab. Except if you’re a gay flight attendant bitten in the ass by a pangolin. Neither the vaccine nor nature can save you.

  143. @Anon
    From Nature:

    "Potential intestinal infection and faecal–oral transmission of SARS-CoV-2"

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41575-021-00416-6

    [R]eports have shown that a notable proportion of patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) develop gastrointestinal symptoms and nearly half of patients confirmed to have COVID-19 have shown detectable SARS-CoV-2 RNA in their faecal samples. Moreover, SARS-CoV-2 infection reportedly alters intestinal microbiota, which correlated with the expression of inflammatory factors. Furthermore, multiple in vitro and in vivo animal studies have provided direct evidence of intestinal infection by SARS-CoV-2. These lines of evidence highlight the nature of SARS-CoV-2 gastrointestinal infection and its potential faecal–oral transmission.
     

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Well, that merits a well-placed rim shot.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  144. As of yesterday, there is now a not-so-subtle push on Leftist Media to get the Shingles Vaccine

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  145. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    “Are the “delta vax” trials underway?”

    Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19 — including the highly transmittable Delta variant. The booster shot is currently undergoing trials…. the company said it is also developing an updated Pfizer-BioNtech COVID vaccine that will target the Delta variant specifically… and clinical studies are expected to begin in August, pending approval.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @HA

    My understanding: the "booster" is just the same-old-same-old. The testing is just that--testing for efficacy as a booster.

    All their blather about "all known variants" and "including Delta" is just marketing noise. Another way of saying that their vaccine is still effective against current variants. Which is true--it's just that it's effectiveness is way down with the new variants, though still quite effective at keeping you out of the hospital or morgue.

    ~~

    The updated vaccine part is what i want to hear. But how come that isn't happening until August? Delta's been out since December and an obvious problem since late winter. Last year they went from zero to phase III from Feb to early summer. All they had to do here was do the same stabilization on the Delta spike and start their tests.

    Faster.

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    'Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19'

    • Cope: Je Suis

    Zero times three is still zero.

    Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don't work. Covidiots are in stage one of the grieving process. When you graduate to the anger phase, direct it appropriately, please and thank you.

    Replies: @HA

  146. I’m laughing my ass off here

    I’m part of a Liberal Group on Social Media

    Seems like this Breakthough Thing isn’t confined to Gays

    Hahahah

    Everyone is really upset because so many VACCINATED are getting the Delta

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

    Me and my UnVaccinated Family Members are Still Covid Free—no one has tested positive!

    Can We All Say ‘Vaccine Induced Enhancement’ Children?

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Thoughts


    Can We All Say ‘Vaccine Induced Enhancement’ Children?

     

    We could, but we'd be wrong.

    Please see #132 above:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/theres-a-three-letter-word-missing-in-this-long-article-about-provincetown-covid-outbreak/#comment-4813011
  147. Lol sold your souls for a mess of Wokelism.

    Heckuva job, PMC!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Desiderius

    And i'm the "far right" loon?

    Clown world.

    If China didn't have it's own set of issues this thing would already be over.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Desiderius


    Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday
     
    And these are the Doctors - the "Health Care Heros" - whom we are supposed to trust.

    How can one "Trust the Science" as interperted by people who deny the biological reality of sex?

    Come to think of it, "Trust the Science" sounds a lot like "Trust the Plan".

    Perhaps QAnon has just morphed into a new cult: MedAnon? PharmAnon?
    , @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates'

    Shall we move on to fighting placism and datism? Namism? Why should the innocent child be trapped with a name that was assigned to her without her consent? I assume we can dispense with weight without discussion.

  148. Speaking of silence, the police obviously were told to “stand down” during last year’s peaceful protests. So why haven’t the rank-and-file beat cops come out and told us such? Or have they, and it’s not covered?

    I assume it’s prohibited for them to do so while still employed. But some must have retired by now.

    As Marx said, first tragedy, then farce:

    Canadian police ‘divided’ over enforcing authoritarian Trudeau policies: law enforcement veteran

    “’The police force on this issue, to some degree, is divided, but at different levels,’ he said.”

    The chief’s main job is to keep the mayor happy.

  149. @AndrewR
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Key West seems like a nightmare to get into (and out of).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you skip past Miami or across Alligator Alley from the west coast and take the #1 all the way. Or, you fly into Marathon or Key West – Delta has airline service down to Key West out of Atlanta on ERJ-175s. They are a nice ride, and a pretty good short-field airplane. Or, do it Jimmy Buffett style and take a few days to sail. The water is nice and warm, at least.

    During a hurricane, you’d better have already made plans as to where to hole up.

  150. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    To a heterosexual man, lesbians are the most dull, uninteresting people on earth.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Triteleia Laxa, @James J O'Meara

    Not the ones that were in Penthouse in the late seventies.

  151. @Reg Cæsar
    @TruthRevolution.net


    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.
     
    Note that Peter Johnson agrees. As no doubt do his brothers Dick, Willie, and John Thomas.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    There used to be a well-known cowboy actor known as Chubby Johnson.

  152. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    To be clearer, as peoples’ exposure (bug or vax) recedes, what’s really needed are tests that your memory B+T cells are ready to crank up and kick the bug’s ass.

    I know such tests have been developed. Not sure when they’ll be commercially available and whether they can be done at trivial cost.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AnotherDad

    I had a T-cell test done for $160 at a private but recognised clinic, so they are commercially available, but these are not accepted by any authorities for proof of immunity (natch, since the official narrative is that the immunity from vaxxes is superior to natural immunity from actual infection). It’s a peace of mind thing. I checked my Vitamin D levels at the same time.

  153. HA says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    The Covid Disinformation Centers admit the Prick doesn't work and all Sailer wants to talk about is sodomists....

    Don't change the subject, boy - you let President Trump double-tap you with his tiny little Prick and it was all for nothing. Now go strap on your filthy facediaper and await further instructions, because the CDC tried the only thing it could think of and is all out of ideas.

    Twat Would Be Shilling, utu, HA, and especially Xponential Unz, how do y'alls feel now that I was right and you were wrong: there is no vaccine for a coronavirus, it is unobtainium. And, now that CDC admits the Prick is useless, y'alls getting your third Prick in a couple months?

    Holla back, my Covimbeciles!

    Edit: and you better believe I done BIG victory dancing the last 24 hours, ha ha ha HA. I love when a retarded narrative falls apart spectacularly

    Replies: @HA

    “The Covid Disinformation Centers admit the Prick doesn’t work”

    For a visual display of something that, according to you, doesn’t work, I refer you to the second graph in https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/il where I can see that of the 6,500 COVID deaths Israel has tallied so far, about 80 of them have come since May 3 — i.e. less than one a day despite having a lingering portion of vaccine refuseniks.

    Scaling that up by 330/9 to account for US/Israel population differences, a comparable COVID lethality would give the US a daily death toll of 40 (i.e., a tenth of what we’re actually seeing).

    So, if that’s your definition of something that is “doesn’t work”, well, it explains the rest of your opposite-day output.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen


    Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work. Covidiots are in stage one of the grieving process. When you graduate to the anger phase, direct it appropriately, please and thank you.

  154. From the coronavirus ma sub reddy:

    I’m one of the P-Town Positives, and I feel like the CDC is missing a key detail

    NSFW.

    Like many gay men, I thought the vaccine made me invincible and I had a year’s worth of pent-up sexual frustration, so I partied hard in P-Town during July 4 week.

    I tested positive a day after I left, with some cold symptoms that lasted a few days.

    People are understandably worried about the CDC data showing breakthrough cases in P-Town, but I feel like they’ve left out a rather large variable. I suspect it may have something to do with offending gay men, so allow me to tell you a little bit about my week.

    *\*Ahem\* Cue Jeff Foxworthy voice***You might get a breakthrough case**:

    * If you’re packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    Do most people live their regular daily lives this way? I certainly don’t.

    Every single guy I talked to was fully vaccinated, so I don’t even know how an unvaccinated person would get COVID because they didn’t seem to be in P-Town that week.

    It was a rude awakening that the vaccine does *not* make me invincible — but the shot still worked miracles. I barely got sick. All of my vaccinated friends who I lived with for the week tested negative. The cases in P-Town are already plummeting. Without the vaccine, I imagine cases would have been 5,000+ with dozens of hospitalizations and a handful of deaths — with Delta spreading uncontrollably throughout the rest of MA. But instead, the state numbers seem to be plateauing.

    I’m embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news. I’m horribly sorry to anyone I’ve indirectly infected. I’ve learned an important lesson. But I’m not quite sure it’s a representative case study of the average MA population.

    My point is… To everyone worried about the P-Town data: I wouldn’t get too nervous going to the grocery store just yet — unless you tend to have orgies at Market Basket.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @SailerFan

    Market Basket is one of my fondest memories from my student days...

    , @Polemos
    @SailerFan

    The anecdotal story supports the claims about what the vaxxine is doing regarding vital titers: the vaxxine reduces symptoms by interfering enough with how the virus infects to slow down replication, giving variations of the virus more time to linger and shed and replicate without being eliminated from the body: a persistent, low-grade or "asymptomatic" infection, in other words is what the vaxxine produces, and why they won't say it prevents infection or transmission. It creates spreaders. The virus, being insufficiently neutralized and then taken apart, remains active and switches over to its other means for entering cells, converting from Spike-ACE2 entry to using other Spike interactions, entry such as neuropilin-1 or macrophage Fc receptors:

    https://theconversation.com/a-second-pathway-into-cells-for-sars-cov-2-new-understanding-of-the-neuropilin-1-protein-could-speed-vaccine-research-148497

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33717193/

    So, the Big Sell with targeting Spike has been about blocking Spike from binding with ACE2, a deal made possible by thinking of SC2 as solely a respiratory virus attacking cells in noses and lungs and not also as a neurological virus attacking neurons or an immunological virus attacking phagocytic cells or a hematological virus attacking blood cells or . . . But blocking Spike from binding with ACE2 doesn't block it from binding with neuropilin-1 or Fc (or other receptors, see last paragraph of the Conversation piece), and so Spike gains entry into different parts of the body, resulting in different disease expressions and selection pressures, i. e. variation and variants. And all of the varying expressions of COVID-19, the disease (disorder?).

    And it's Spike that does this on its own, as will the Spike the vaxxines transfect your body to produce on its own. It is a Swiss Army Knife, a Leatherman, a cunning piece of machinery with multiple routes to infection, and they want you to make it inside you. And due to original antigenic sin, being exposed to the specific versions of Spike in the vaxxines rather than wild/natural exposure to diverse Spikes trains the immune system to respond incompletely to variant Spikes coming out from other selection pressures, so when you encounter new Spikes carried by wildtype (or seeded!) SC2s your immune response pushes them towards these other pathways. They bind some of the SC2's Spikes but cannot disassemble the rest of SC2 structure; it then switches over to other pathways as it bounces around among your cells until Spike finds new homes. Your immune response fails to eliminate this new Spike, the new infection takes off, and you are on the spectrum to be a persistent spreader (think HIV, Herpes, mononucleosis, &c) or a cytokine storm disaster.

    About neuropilin-1 binding: the Conversation piece I linked above points out that when Spike binds with neurons it produces an analgesic effect. Notice the article then uses this to hint at further therapies for pain: using that binding domain means using something similar to Spike —using Spike-lite to alleviate pain! Making deals with Mephistopheles?

    Interesting section linking to a paper to check out:


    In another experiment, Ludovico Cantuti-Castelvetri of the Technical University Munich and colleagues attached silver particles to synthetic Spike proteins made in the lab and found that these particles were able to enter cells that carried neuropilin-1 on their surfaces. When they did the same experiments in live mice, they found that the silver particles entered cells lining the nose. The researchers were surprised to discover the Spike protein could also enter neurons and blood vessels within the brain.
     
    So, they could create Spike without a virus. They can assemble it into a variety of configurations to unload a marker into cells, in this case silver nanoparticles. Spike itself gains entry into the cortex: all they did was blow their concoction up the noses of knocked-out mice and six hours later they found the silver nanoparticles they were looking for in the mice brains. Six hours!

    So, what does this tell me? It tells me that you need the lipid nanoparticles (that will stick around and cause inflammation and immune disorders —hey, a helpful adjuvant, right?) to get the mRNA into your body to make Spikes, but you need the Spikes to get other things into brain, blood, lung, kidney, immune, &c cells. Here, it's silver nanoparticles, other times it's luciferase, but what else could you intentionally dock with Spike that you'd want in cells? What else could on its own dock with Spike and surreptitiously enter cells? Maybe not much at all? Maybe just enough?
    , @donut
    @SailerFan

    This POS gives his itinerary for the week as :

    * If you’re packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    but "I’m embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news."

    Fucking Hell !

  155. @Dumbo
    Don't worry iSteve, your beloved "transgender" Health Secretary Richard Levine, who loves vaccination, has said that if you are in an orgy, as long as you wash your hands frequently, nothing will happen to you.

    I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.

    https://iheartintelligence.com/pennsylvania-health-department-issues-preferred-covid-orgy-regulations/

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Achmed E. Newman, @AceDeuce, @gent, @Morton's toes, @James J O'Meara

    “I wonder how it feels to follow health advice from mentally ill people.”

    You just don’t like good news, you ol’ sourpuss!

    Rachel was likely one of the “secret sex society” in Philly.

    Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrgy!

  156. Thirty years ago, a girlfriend talked me into a long weekend on the Outer Cape to see the sand dunes of the National Seashore and experience P-town’s “vibrancy.” Haven’t been back since, and never will be. I’m sure today’s “scene” there would make 1991 seem positively puritanical.

  157. @al gore rhythms
    Last Summer I was working with a guy who house-shared with a gay man. He said that as soon as the lockdown was lifted he booked a flight to Barcelona and ended up catching Covid from a bloke he shagged there.

    It did bring home to me how the whole AIDS thing came about.

    You'd have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polemos

    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.

    At one point last year, official-dumb were telling people who were hooking up to prefer doggy style and wear masks while in the act. The only thing missing from the official advice was to open the windows or do it outdoors, which is pretty much the only advice that really would have made sense.

    Now that I think about it, with the Spike Proteins showing up in reproductive organs, people ought to start advertising their un-vaxxed status on the “dating” apps.

  158. @Triteleia Laxa
    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don't exist.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Neuday, @Mike Tre, @Raven Lunatic, @BLESTO-V, @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright

    ‘I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.’

    I think there are some actual lesbians, but they’re only a subset of the larger population that claims to be (with more or less sincerity) lesbian.

    I see three groups here (and I have had a fair amount of superficial contact with ‘lesbians’).

    1. Actual lesbians.

    2. Those who confuse the ordinary human need for physical contact and affection with sexual desire. Here, it’s worth pointing out that in general, we’ve sexualized a lot human contact that didn’t used to be sexual; in Lincoln’s time, for example, men staying in hotels ordinarily shared beds. It didn’t mean they were gay.

    3. Those who want to opt out of the heterosexual rat race. Why enter a contest you doubt you can win? Here, note that women used to be able to respectably remain chaste; it was positively praiseworthy. Now, there’s going to be at least the unspoken question: why don’t you have a boyfriend?

    So I’d suggest a paradigm where we’ve got three groups (which wouldn’t be mutually exclusive). 1. Women who really are turned on by other women, not men. No foolin’.

    2. Women who want somebody in bed with them at night. There’s actually nothing wrong with that.

    3. Women who, for some reason other than a simple lack of desire, don’t want to pursue a sexual relationship with a man. Again, it’s not actually mandatory. BE Julia Morgan. It’s fine.

    But (2) and (3) really are distinct from (1).

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Colin Wright

    Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  159. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Better advice: Find a kid with active chickenpox, to recharge your own immunity.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @jsm

    The first vaccine against shingles was a 4X dose of the attenuated virus used in childhood chickenpox vaccines. The problem with "finding a kid with active chickenpox" is that we're using the latter vaccine to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells, plus how will you know if you've gotten enough of a booster dose of the wild type virus?? Also that vaccine has been withdrawn from the US market in favor of a supposed to be much more effective one which can also be taken ten years earlier, when you're 50 instead of 60. I got shingles in my early 40s, so....

    Replies: @jsm

  160. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    To be clearer, as peoples' exposure (bug or vax) recedes, what's really needed are tests that your memory B+T cells are ready to crank up and kick the bug's ass.

    I know such tests have been developed. Not sure when they'll be commercially available and whether they can be done at trivial cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I had a T-cell test done for $160 at a private but recognised clinic, so they are commercially available, but these are not accepted by any authorities for proof of immunity (natch, since the official narrative is that the immunity from vaxxes is superior to natural immunity from actual infection). It’s a peace of mind thing. I checked my Vitamin D levels at the same time.

  161. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.
     
    I've never really considered myself some sort of super-duper "conservative". More of a "what's really going on?", "does this make any sense?", "how can this possibly work when the incentives are backasswards?" kind of guy.

    But the whole homosexual AIDS scam, where wildly promiscuous (and often drug using) homos cooked up serious viral epidemic, refused normal public measures to deal with it ... then blamed it normies ... which all meant more homosexual liberation! ... and homosexual marriage. Yeah, that was a "conservative"--"this is 'effing ridiculous! you're peddling lies and illogic"--moment for me.

    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking "far right" loon**. ("Far right" means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, "rule of law", white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i'll do as well as the next guy as your "conservative man".

    My take on lesbians:
    -- my guess is fewer "true lesbians" than male homosexuals (1%ish rather than 2%ish?)
    -- but female sexuality is more amorphous less binary than male; so more "hangers on"
    -- boring
    -- frumpy
    -- dumpy
    -- do not let them into your organization!
    -- lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik

    But disease spreaders like queers? ... LOL.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    — lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik

    Speaking of which, I’m wondering if there are any neuropathy experts on isteve?

    If so, can you explain why Rachel Maddow generally speaks from the right side of her mouth? Could that be due to a long-past mini-stroke, or has it something to do with some kind of genetically-based neural dysfunction, or perhaps a virus? Past Alcoholism? A sign that something worse is going on?

    She does it every day, but I don’t think she’s ever explained what her problem is:

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Botox & fillers?

    , @duncsbaby
    @Anonymous

    Why are you watching Maddow every day?

  162. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    1) “Public health” authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    First they’d have to actually care about infectious disease control (in the US). Saint Fauci does because that’s been his gig since his residency, he I can’t understand because he’s admitted at least twice lying, about masks to reserve them for his own community, and about what’s required for herd immunity, lower than anything credible to encourage people to get vaccinated. Can’t understand how any thinking being would trust him after that, but of course one problem is with that minor detail of thinking.

    Clear info–antibodies are what matter. Have “antibody passports” that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    Quibbles and such:

    Antibodies are the best, since they can stop cells from getting hijacked in the first place. And while your initial antibody fleet from an infection or vaccination is winding down, your memory B cells which are poised to make a new fleet refine your response for months.

    BUT, you also have a cellular part of your adaptive immune system, including CD8+ cytotoxic T cells that have their own independent recognition system and kill hijacked cells. I’ve seen many people claim they help a lot when for whatever reason you get infected or infected again.

    Testing for antibodies isn’t a 100% thing, and there’s always “embrace the healing power of ‘and’.” Natural immunity is apparently now considered to be better than vaccine for Delta because it attacks additional targets like the nucleocapsid protein. That’s not a primary target for vaccine makers because it’s hidden inside the virus under its envelope, so antibodies etc. can’t target it until a cell has been hijacked. But natural plus vaccine immunity? Better than either, not that anyone should be seeking out natural immunity as the dominant variants get more deadly (or so we’re starting to get some evidence for with Delta, already have it for Alpha).

    2) Where’s my Delta vax?

    It’s not considered to be absolutely essential, and while you’re correct it popped up a long time ago, October 2020 per Wikipedia, it took a long time to realize it was going to be the next really bad variant. I’m sure the vaccine developers are working on it, but first I believe they’re trying to demonstrate that vaccines for prior variants of concern are “safe and effective,” we’re not yet in a position like we are with the flu where we’re fairly confident minor tweaks are OK.

    I too do not give shingles a positive review, that’s a good way of putting it if you have an uncomplicated case, three weeks for me. For some people adverse effects linger for years, and it can be fatal.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @That Would Be Telling

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Looks like Pfizer sent Twat Would Be Shilling to do a little (ok, A LOT OF) damage control and spread the Gospel of the Third Pricking. Gotta keep shareholders happy, amirite!

    Replies: @J.Ross, @That Would Be Telling

  163. @Mike Tre
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A non sequitar and a straw man! You're just missing a little projection, and you'll be primed for a Head of Psychology position at some unaccredited college somewhere.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It was a general observation on the commenters here and conservative men in general. Many of them have replied explaining that it was an astute one and why they feel that way. I wasn’t criticising. People think what they think and feel what they feel. It is individual and I don’t know their circumstances. I don’t know why would react so aggressively, for example, but I do know that I would embarrassed now of I were you.

    • Troll: The Griffins
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Triteleia Laxa


    "but I do know that I would embarrassed now of I were you."
     
    WTF?
  164. @HA
    @AnotherDad

    "Are the “delta vax” trials underway?"


    Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19 — including the highly transmittable Delta variant. The booster shot is currently undergoing trials.... the company said it is also developing an updated Pfizer-BioNtech COVID vaccine that will target the Delta variant specifically... and clinical studies are expected to begin in August, pending approval.


     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    My understanding: the “booster” is just the same-old-same-old. The testing is just that–testing for efficacy as a booster.

    All their blather about “all known variants” and “including Delta” is just marketing noise. Another way of saying that their vaccine is still effective against current variants. Which is true–it’s just that it’s effectiveness is way down with the new variants, though still quite effective at keeping you out of the hospital or morgue.

    ~~

    The updated vaccine part is what i want to hear. But how come that isn’t happening until August? Delta’s been out since December and an obvious problem since late winter. Last year they went from zero to phase III from Feb to early summer. All they had to do here was do the same stabilization on the Delta spike and start their tests.

    Faster.

  165. @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    They *were* an attack on the culture. Because the “culture” consisted largely of frequent anonymous sex in public.

  166. @J.Ross
    OT -- iStevey or not?
    --Coen brothers movie in real life
    --People who should be highly intelligent but are hilariously stupid
    --Black kidnappers managed to drown even as white captive in back survived: what the hell did black people do to Poseidon anyway?
    --Possible Jewish angle (who names their daughter that but Jews who don't speak Yiddish?)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844389/Louisiana-vitamins-millionaire-pleads-guilty-kidnap-plot-involving-ex-wife.html

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    You’re mostly correct: the hapless husband (who hires two stupid blacks to do a Mob job?) looks uncomfortably like William H. Macy. But the dead wife? No way was she Jewish: my Jewdar didn’t so much as ping. It’s a shonda what Lawrence Handley did to his Schanda, but I doubt it was Yiddicide.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I defer to your equipment (and the husband's name is solidly Irish) but remain fascinated by "who names their daughter that." It must be an example of white people acting like some blacks, not knowing what a word means but liking how it sounds.

  167. @FPD72
    @Altai


    For example, here is a screencap of a very early press conference in early March. ‘Westchester’ really means New Rochelle.
     
    More high jinks from Rob and Laura Petrie no doubt that they didn’t want to blame on Carl.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    So the twin beds were for show, not for go?

  168. @HA
    @AnotherDad

    "Are the “delta vax” trials underway?"


    Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19 — including the highly transmittable Delta variant. The booster shot is currently undergoing trials.... the company said it is also developing an updated Pfizer-BioNtech COVID vaccine that will target the Delta variant specifically... and clinical studies are expected to begin in August, pending approval.


     

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    ‘Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19’

    • Cope: Je Suis

    Zero times three is still zero.

    Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work. Covidiots are in stage one of the grieving process. When you graduate to the anger phase, direct it appropriately, please and thank you.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    "Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work."

    As noted earlier, it works just fine in Israel, so far, when it comes to the matter of keeping people out of the morgue, which is what matters most.

    Infections there jumped by about 30-fold over the last couple of weeks with this new variant. Whereas the number of deaths increased by about a factor of 2 even if we adjust for the time lag between infection and death. I think losing about two anti-vaxxers a day (those being the ones doing the majority of the dying) is a loss that, however tragic, Israel might just be able to survive given everything else it has had to deal with, but I guess we'll see.

    Obviously, it won't work nearly as well for people like you who are scared of needles, or whatever, but that's your defect, not Pfizer's.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  169. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment Jack.


    A couple of things, that could help:

    1) "Public health" authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.

    Was sitting here last night chatting with prospective son-in-law. He had a pretty solid case of Covid--test verified--back around Christmas. He's a manager in a local company, and because not vaxed must mask up at work, while the vaxed run around maskless. And he's under pressure to "get vaxed", even though that really kicks the ass of a decent number of people who've had the bug.

    Clear info--antibodies are what matter. Have "antibody passports" that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)

    That couples with explaining that while the vax cuts risk 90% and even more for serious illness, vaxed people can still be transmitting.


    2) Where's my Delta vax?

    If this thing is going to work, the vaccine makers have to be "on it". Cranking out upgrades as variants pop. Delta popped back in the winter sometime and was kicking ass in India all spring. Are the "delta vax" trials underway? Why not?

    These guys want to collect their billions doing nothing? Screw 'em. Get back to work.


    ~~

    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    Replies: @HA, @AnotherDad, @jsm, @That Would Be Telling, @MGB

    B cells T cells etc. that’s the Cleveland Clinic report. Prior infection as efficacious as the jab. Except if you’re a gay flight attendant bitten in the ass by a pangolin. Neither the vaccine nor nature can save you.

  170. @MGB
    @Ben Kurtz

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. I live in the region and my personal experience is that being ‘fully vaccinated’ is a proud symbol of sophistication. Don’t know what the demographics of the summer PTown crowd is but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben Kurtz, @3g4me

    The VAST majority of P-town partiers are from out of town and out of state. Just read Sullivan and the rest.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Ben Kurtz

    Maybe, don’t know, but I’d be surprised if the vast majority, in the summer, aren’t a combo of MA NYC and NJ. And Andrew Sullivan isn’t representative of much of anything, anywhere. His is a niche crowd wherever he drops into.

  171. @HA
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    "The Covid Disinformation Centers admit the Prick doesn’t work"

    For a visual display of something that, according to you, doesn't work, I refer you to the second graph in https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/il where I can see that of the 6,500 COVID deaths Israel has tallied so far, about 80 of them have come since May 3 -- i.e. less than one a day despite having a lingering portion of vaccine refuseniks.

    Scaling that up by 330/9 to account for US/Israel population differences, a comparable COVID lethality would give the US a daily death toll of 40 (i.e., a tenth of what we're actually seeing).

    So, if that's your definition of something that is "doesn't work", well, it explains the rest of your opposite-day output.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work. Covidiots are in stage one of the grieving process. When you graduate to the anger phase, direct it appropriately, please and thank you.

  172. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/WebMD/status/1421312166108581888?s=20

    Lol sold your souls for a mess of Wokelism.

    Heckuva job, PMC!

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

    And i’m the “far right” loon?

    Clown world.

    If China didn’t have it’s own set of issues this thing would already be over.

  173. @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    1) “Public health” authorities to stop all their lying and simplistic b.s.
     
    First they'd have to actually care about infectious disease control (in the US). Saint Fauci does because that's been his gig since his residency, he I can't understand because he's admitted at least twice lying, about masks to reserve them for his own community, and about what's required for herd immunity, lower than anything credible to encourage people to get vaccinated. Can't understand how any thinking being would trust him after that, but of course one problem is with that minor detail of thinking.

    Clear info–antibodies are what matter. Have “antibody passports” that are as good as vax passports. (They are actually better.)
     
    Quibbles and such:

    Antibodies are the best, since they can stop cells from getting hijacked in the first place. And while your initial antibody fleet from an infection or vaccination is winding down, your memory B cells which are poised to make a new fleet refine your response for months.

    BUT, you also have a cellular part of your adaptive immune system, including CD8+ cytotoxic T cells that have their own independent recognition system and kill hijacked cells. I've seen many people claim they help a lot when for whatever reason you get infected or infected again.

    Testing for antibodies isn't a 100% thing, and there's always "embrace the healing power of 'and'." Natural immunity is apparently now considered to be better than vaccine for Delta because it attacks additional targets like the nucleocapsid protein. That's not a primary target for vaccine makers because it's hidden inside the virus under its envelope, so antibodies etc. can't target it until a cell has been hijacked. But natural plus vaccine immunity? Better than either, not that anyone should be seeking out natural immunity as the dominant variants get more deadly (or so we're starting to get some evidence for with Delta, already have it for Alpha).

    2) Where’s my Delta vax?
     
    It's not considered to be absolutely essential, and while you're correct it popped up a long time ago, October 2020 per Wikipedia, it took a long time to realize it was going to be the next really bad variant. I'm sure the vaccine developers are working on it, but first I believe they're trying to demonstrate that vaccines for prior variants of concern are "safe and effective," we're not yet in a position like we are with the flu where we're fairly confident minor tweaks are OK.

    I too do not give shingles a positive review, that's a good way of putting it if you have an uncomplicated case, three weeks for me. For some people adverse effects linger for years, and it can be fatal.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Looks like Pfizer sent Twat Would Be Shilling to do a little (ok, A LOT OF) damage control and spread the Gospel of the Third Pricking. Gotta keep shareholders happy, amirite!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Good thing he's here, were he in some fully or mostly vaxxed place he'd be enduring hard stares all night.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I see I'm not the only one who's getting really impressed that you're sticking to your idée fixe that I'm a Pfizer shill when you mindless repeat that after I say "Natural immunity is apparently now considered to be better than vaccine for Delta because...."

  174. MGB says:
    @Jack D
    @Ben Kurtz

    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.

    Replies: @BB753, @MGB

    Hmm, interesting angle. Most gays are very practiced and fluent liars because growing up (and in some situations, continuing to the present day) there were many times where they needed to conceal their sexual orientation.

    Jeez, Jack, you could be mistaken for someone who holds a similar opinion about certain ethnic groups ‘being fluent liars to conceal their identities.’ Ring a bell? Maybe a group who is justified in committing genocide because someone took their ice cream?

  175. According to expert advice from the Mayo Clinic, which I think needs to be updated:

    Sex and coronavirus: Can you get COVID-19 from sexual activity?

    If you are unvaccinated and sexually active with someone outside of your household, consider these precautions to reduce your risk of getting the COVID-19 virus:

    Minimize the number of sexual partners you have.
    Avoid sex partners who have symptoms of COVID-19.
    Avoid kissing.
    Avoid sexual behaviors that have a risk of fecal-oral transmission or that involve semen or urine.
    Use condoms and dental dams during oral and anal sex.
    Wear a mask during sexual activity.
    Wash your hands and shower before and after sexual activity.
    Wash sex toys before and after using them.
    Use soap or alcohol wipes to clean the area where you have sexual activity.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/sex-and-coronavirus/faq-20486572

  176. @Ben Kurtz
    @MGB

    The VAST majority of P-town partiers are from out of town and out of state. Just read Sullivan and the rest.

    Replies: @MGB

    Maybe, don’t know, but I’d be surprised if the vast majority, in the summer, aren’t a combo of MA NYC and NJ. And Andrew Sullivan isn’t representative of much of anything, anywhere. His is a niche crowd wherever he drops into.

  177. @Thoughts
    I'm laughing my ass off here

    I'm part of a Liberal Group on Social Media

    Seems like this Breakthough Thing isn't confined to Gays

    Hahahah

    Everyone is really upset because so many VACCINATED are getting the Delta

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

    Me and my UnVaccinated Family Members are Still Covid Free---no one has tested positive!

    Can We All Say 'Vaccine Induced Enhancement' Children?

    Replies: @vhrm

    Can We All Say ‘Vaccine Induced Enhancement’ Children?

    We could, but we’d be wrong.

    Please see #132 above:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/theres-a-three-letter-word-missing-in-this-long-article-about-provincetown-covid-outbreak/#comment-4813011

  178. @PaceLaw
    This is exactly why I love Unz.com, where the truth can be spoken frankly and honestly! Where else can certain favorite minority groups (gays, blacks, etc.) be criticized forthrightly for their objectively aberrant behavior? The LBTQ movement seems like an unstoppable dynamo these days, practically equal in power to BLM, if not surpassing them. After all, who can criticize a homo these days??? The homo has essentially reached black status in terms of being a sacred cow that no one can touch.

    Given black folks tendency for random violence and murder (which can’t be ignored or explained away but for so long), I predict that the LGBTQ community will surpass them in influence in the very near future.

    Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @BLESTO-V

    The homo has essentially reached black status in terms of being a sacred cow that no one can touch.

    I don’t particularly care to touch them, to be honest.

  179. @Mark in BC
    When I first heard of Provincetown being the epicenter I wondered if now Covid would be classified as an STD.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    There was a large outbreak of meningococcal meningitis in LA in 2017 among gay men, yet public health officials, when interviewed, feigned ignorance why it was striking this group. I wondered at the time if Meningicoccus might eventually be considered an STD.

  180. Why doesn’t the virus hysteria extend to the AIDS virus? Instead of isolating the offending population of gays and junkies, they actually forced blood-banks to accept donations from them against the public will!!!

    Clearly the reasons are purely political as the communist manifesto targets traditional values and family.

    It is written that a culture or nation is doomed if it succumbs to a culture of open sodomy. This is precisely why the Leftists are pushing it. They have openly stated their hatred for America.

    Ever since they rammed through the gay “marriage” law with the help of compromised activist judge Roberts, the nation has spiraled downwards. All cultural events are now ruined by the presence of militant SJW gays to the point that it the events are no longer desirable. Just look what’s happened to sports, the genocide of babies, the disintegration of the family, the loss of parental rights, law suits against businesses, woke corporate fascism. ad nausea.

    The Nazis were militant “Butch” gays but they want to convince you that they were “right wing” Fascists, while claiming that Leftist Communists were the antidote, but the truth is that they are both totalitarian systems, and the followers freely changed their allegiance between the two like the changing wind.
    The only solution is to repeal the gay “marriage” law because the bible was right: a nation of sodimites will eventually die. Marquis De Sade loved sodomy because it was the ultimate humiliation to life and goodness – to deposit the precious seed of life into the sewer of the bowels.

    The Pink Swastika 5th Edition
    https://www.scottlively.net/tps/

    Repeal the gay “marriage” law or America will die just like Sodom and Gomorrah did.

  181. @Bert
    There has been a nine letter word missing from almost all official discussions since January 2020:

    Evolution

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844701/SAGE-Covid-variant-kill-one-three-people.html

    Rapid attainment of herd immunity by May 2020 was the only way to avoid the real danger: MERS-2, but everyone either didn't understand enough biology to see that, or they were pushing an economic agenda. Fools.

    Replies: @Bert, @Elli

    But wouldn’t the virus have nearly as many opportunities to mutate and evolve, whether 4 billion people catch it in a short period of time, or extend the time?

    The longer time allows specific challenges that drive evolution, like vaccines and medications, but the viruses’ random enjoyment of 4 billion naive immune systems, and billions of potential animal systems will give opportunities in plenty.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Elli

    The issue isn't time. It is the nature of the primeval variant versus what could later evolve. In March, 2020, the variant was relatively benign. Rapid herd immunity would have reduced the chance of descendent variants like Delta and Gamma arising.

    Think about it this way. SARS-2, despite any chimeric or Gain-of-Function changes, was ancestrally transmitted in densely packed colonies of bats in enclosed spaces, i.e. optimized only for transmission at short-range. A year and a half of circulation within human populations obviously should select for greater transmissibility through higher spike density and better spike function. Such predictable adaptations have made viral load much larger and probably the infection more likely to cause greater morbidity (long hauling) and mortality.

    If you were going to do a Gain-of-Function protocol to enhance transmission by aerosol, what you would do in, say, minks is exactly social distancing. You would set up mink cages in a circular array in a large warehouse. There would be a central cage with an infected mink and then concentric circles of cages with each farther circle being proportionately farther out. Then you would use virions from the mink which got infected despite being farthest from the center of the array for the next iteration of the protocol.

    In March, 2020, there were two choices: purposeful infections or doing social distancing. Social distancing was the mink experiment done with people.

    , @Bert
    @Elli

    This Twitter thread provides a slightly different perspective on why the vaccine-only official policy was doomed to failure.

    https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1421167798198411269

  182. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    To a heterosexual man, lesbians are the most dull, uninteresting people on earth.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Triteleia Laxa, @James J O'Meara

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Lesbian" porn.

    , @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Actual lesbians are very unlike e-thots. Sir, please read some Bechdel before continuing to opine upon the daughters of Bilitis.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Reminds me of a funny story: my org hired in a strident young lesbian and assigned her to me as a subordinate. (I think it was someone's idea of trolling the single straight white guy, but it turned out she and I got along really well.)

    Anyhow, she was a bit of a scene queen and had a little coterie of followers who would show up after work and she'd share the latest cultural innovations with them. One time, she's got them all excited to watch this new BBC show about ... lesbians! They all gather round her laptop to take in the latest soap-opera-with-accents from the Beeb.

    I watch over their shoulders this tedious BBC show for minute or two, and then tell them, "The BBC's finally done it, they've made lesbianism boring!"

    Alarmed faces turn up at me from the laptop's glare.

    I clarify, "You can find much better shows than this just by searching for 'lesbian video' with Safe Search off."

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Porn websites say otherwise.
     
    Uh ... those aren't lesbians.


    LT, you seem to have this weird fetish/obsession with trying to show-up or debunk normal heterosexual conservative guys. It's certainly apiece with the minoritarian ideology of our age. But sorry, you can't do it. We can't be debunked.

    We are just ... normal. Our sexual interest--healthy, fertile women--and desire--penis in vagina--is just normal, healthy and correct. Yes there is a "right answer" here--biologically and game-theory wise: it is what reproduces the species.

    That's what actually conservative men and women are. We are the people who want to conserve--to maintain and reproduce--our families, communities, nation and civilization.

    Ergo we are by definition "right". The assorted minoritarian perverts and parasites--wrong.


    But we'll happily keep answering your queries, in your quirky quest--cluing you in on how normal guys think.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  183. @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    “Lesbian” porn.

  184. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    "For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine"

    CDC admitted it doesn't work; ergo, it's not a vaccine. It's a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    No vaccine is 100% effective. On the spectrum between “doesn’t work” and 100% effective, the mRNA Covid vaccines are a lot closer to the latter than say the flu vaccine is. The flu vaccine REALLY doesn’t work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    The "vaccine" is of limited utility and probably counter-productive.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    The flu vaccine REALLY doesn’t work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    To quote Mark Twain: if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

  185. @Morton's toes
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The fistfu**ers party.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    How do you think General Mark Milley acquired his 4 stars?

  186. @Gary in Gramercy
    @J.Ross

    You're mostly correct: the hapless husband (who hires two stupid blacks to do a Mob job?) looks uncomfortably like William H. Macy. But the dead wife? No way was she Jewish: my Jewdar didn't so much as ping. It's a shonda what Lawrence Handley did to his Schanda, but I doubt it was Yiddicide.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I defer to your equipment (and the husband’s name is solidly Irish) but remain fascinated by “who names their daughter that.” It must be an example of white people acting like some blacks, not knowing what a word means but liking how it sounds.

  187. @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Actual lesbians are very unlike e-thots. Sir, please read some Bechdel before continuing to opine upon the daughters of Bilitis.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @J.Ross

    Some are. Those are the ones who are scared of sex in general. Others are often very promiscuous. I like generalisations because they're useful, but only to a point.

  188. Cuomovirus is probably the least deadly of their many infections.

  189. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    Lesbians don’t have unprotected sex with fifteen partners in one night and then rationalize scars left by venereal disease as an honorable badge of opposition to patriarchal normality.
     
    Just because they're minor leaguers doesn't mean they're not pros:

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/ask-experts/can-lesbians-get-stis

    Q: What are important health issues for lesbians to discuss with their doctors or nurses?

    Q: What other STDs can lesbian women get?

    Do Lesbians need STD tests?

    Note that the last is from the County, not the City, of Los Angeles. Is this West Hollywood and Santa Monica speaking?

    Watch where you jog, Steve!


    There are large numbers of LGBT residents of Venice, Los Angeles and the City of Santa Monica. Other communities with LGBT residents include Elysian Park, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Reseda, Sherman Oaks, Studio City, and Van Nuys.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture_in_Los_Angeles#Geography
     

    Census Data Map [2011!] Shows the Gayborhoods of Los Angeles

    Stay home and report on this phenomenon:


    Gentrification is Changing Iconic Gay Neighborhoods in L.A. and S.F.


    Wedged snugly between two of the most popular gay bars on Santa Monica Boulevard is Block Party, the “gayest” store in West Hollywood...

    “We lost our community in the last three or four years,” said Larry Block from the sidewalk in front of his shop. Most of the other gay-owned clothing and retail owners have closed...

    “This was the community in which the guys would come to shop. You know, gays like things a little tighter, a little shorter, a little skimpy or a little shearer. They like it a little sexier,” Block said.
     

    Dr Reuben was right!!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    A little more sheer. A little Shearer is a Simpsons clip.

  190. @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Masking has made a big comeback in my moonbat college town (Department of Redundancy Department); it’s only a matter of time before indoor masking will be required, followed by an outdoor masking requirement. Many other Massachusetts towns in the “coalition of the moonbats” (P-town, Cambridge, Brookline, and soon, Northampton) have reintroduced mask requirements, and our local school administration has stated that while school will be open in the fall, all students and staff will be required to wear masks regardless of vaccine status. I guess the tin foil hatters are right, the vaccine doesn’t work, that’s why we have to wear masks. But you better get the COVID 9 Vactine, as Slow Joe put it.

    (I think I just set some kind of record for the number of times using the term ‘mask’ in a paragraph)

    Oh, and I’d lay some odds that the Dead and Company show at Citi Field on 20 August that I have tix for will not be happening. On the other hand, if the show does go on I’ll be interested in hearing “Brown-Eyed Women” sung through a face diaper.

    And another thing: I flew earlier in the week, and in the airports and on the planes they kept yammering on about how Federal law requires that masks be on at all times, except when one is actually depositing food into one’s yap. Take a bite or drink, put the mask back on. Is it really a law, passed by a legislative body and signed by an executive; or is it, as I suspect, a directive from the CDC or FAA, or an executive order from a governor, or the Dementia Patient in Chief?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @additionalMike, @BLESTO-V

    I flew from Houston to Atlanta last week, and some fellow behind me (not in the Provincetown sense, just to be clear) kept taking his mask off. They warned him twice to put it back on, the third time he took it off they took down his name and told him “some people will be meeting us in Atlanta.” Sounds pretty ominous, no matter how enforced.
    I doubt this is an executive order from a governor, by the way. I don’t even know what state(s) we were over when the incident occurred. Probably FAA directive, with maybe no-fly list as a punishment.

  191. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    If Provincetown was a heterosexual resort town, would it have been any different?
     
    People generally don't go to a heterosexual resort town (formerly known as just "a resort town") to engage in mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners. Homosexual men do go to Provincetown for that though. And if charismatic church meetings are "super-spreader" events, then mass orgiastic unnatural sex with a rotation of anonymous partners might be ... what, hyper-spreader events?

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

    “Heterosexual resort towns” tend to be quiet and sedate places. They’re full of families with kids&grandkids, and couples out for a weekend of rest&relaxation. Sexually “hooking up” with anyone is almost impossible.

    You might see a few people having beers on a boat or drinking in a bar, but they typically keep to themselves. There’s not much of a “party vibe” in these places.

    The exception to the above would be the “Spring Break” locales, like Cancun. Places that draw in lots of college students. There’s a certain degree of promiscuity in these places, but it’s more limited than you might think. See this article below.

    https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2014/02/05/study-examines-spring-breakers-sex-alcohol/

    Researchers surveyed more than 1,500 students from a large Northwestern college after spring break 2009. Participants were asked about their relationship status, who they went to spring break with, how many sexual partners they had during that period, and how much alcohol they drank. They were also asked how many times they thought the typical student at their school had sex during spring break and how much they thought those students drank before their sexual encounters.

    Half of the students reported going on a spring break trip. Of those, 35.5 percent went with a friend or friends, and 10 percent traveled with a romantic partner. Almost a third of spring breakers (32 percent) had sex while they were away, and 16 percent of them said it was casual sex. Moreover, almost half of the people who had sex (46.7 percent) said that they had been drinking before sex (an average of 4.17 drinks), and 52.2 percent said they did not use condoms all week. Women in the study were more likely than the men surveyed to drink before sex and to have sex without condoms. In addition, risk behaviors were cumulative, meaning that those who engaged in one risk behavior, such as drinking, also appeared to engage in others, like casual sex without a condom.

    So as you can see above, 68% of college students on a “Spring Break” trip did NOT have sex. Only 16% had “casual sex” (sex with an acquaintance or newly met partner). The remaining 16% had sex with a serious partner.

    The above study was from 2009.

    Here’s some more data from a different contemporary study that was cited in a 2001 book.

    A separate study done on college students on “Spring Break” in Daytona Beach found that only 1/4th reported having sex. Slight over 1/6th had “casual sex” with an acquaintance or newly met partner. The remainder had sex with a serious partner.

    Among the 1/6th who had “casual sex,” 68% had just ONE partner, 13% had TWO partners, and 19% had THREE (or more) partners.

    TLDR: Only 1/6th of college students on “Spring Break” have sex with an acquaintance or newly met partner. Usually, just with 1 partner. 7 in 10 college students have sex with no one. There are TWO different studies that support these data.

  192. One reason the vaccines seem to work better in the United States and the UK compared to Israel is due to natural immunity. 35% of Americans contracted coronavirus from March 2020 thru March 2021 (according to the CDC). Half of these Americans were then vaccinated, despite having natural immunity. Thus 60 million of the 180 million vaccinated Americans have full immunity due to a prior CV infection and are fully protected from catching COVID but credit will be given to the vaccines for protecting them from COVID.

    As one of the 130 million Americans with natural immunity, I will not pad the coffers of Pfizer by getting vaccinated.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  193. @El Dato
    @AnotherDad

    Are we heading for mask apartheid in which only speakers of English are required to cover their faces?


    Coinciding with the Biden administration’s massive flip-flop on Covid protocol, which now requires that Americans – regardless of their vaccination status – go back to donning masks in public, Forbes published an article suggesting English speakers are the most pervasive super-spreaders of the coronavirus.

    The wobbly foundation for that theory is based on a 2003 scientific study that argues that the possible reason Americans traveling to China were infected by the SARS virus was because the English language is riddled with so-called “aspirated consonants” – spit-producing letters such as [p], [t], and [k], which are said to produce a lot of airborne droplets.

    ...

    This isn’t the first time that holding a conversation has been flagged as risky. Earlier this month, Australia’s Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant, after reporting a minor uptick in the number of Covid cases, shockingly advised people to end ‘small talk.’

    “So, even if you run into your next-door neighbor in the shopping center … don’t start up a conversation,” Chant said in a news conference. “Now’s the time for minimizing your interactions with others.”

    ...

    So, on two occasions in as many weeks, the vital function of communication through speech has come under scrutiny. That’s two times too many.
     

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    Ireland shut down Catholic Masses, communion and confirmation. Funerals and weddings were limited to a handful of attendees. They are talking about shutting them all down again an a reaction to the Delta variant, this time with some pushback.
    Meanwhile, the muslim worshippers in the mosques in Dublin went about their worship entirely unimpeded throughout the whole pandemic.
    You won’t find that in any newspapers in Ireland nor anywhere else. Nor will you find the details on the “gangs of youths” that so often administer beatings or rob stores.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JMcG

    We deserve what we accept.

  194. @TruthRevolution.net
    We must never speak negatively of "minorities" in order to avoid "prejudice".

    This iron clad media ethics regulation is documented in all detail by sincerity dot net.
    In this case, one must not mention gays as guilty of transmitting any disease. No No No.

    Note: prejudice is mostly true, people are NOT stupid.

    @Isteve and others fill in the omitted information, so we get a picture more close to the truth.

    With incomplete information come bad policy decisions and befuddlement with the unexpected, often deadly, outcomes.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    @Isteve and others fill in the omitted information

    hahaha. you’re a funny guy.

    imagine the chutzpah it takes to have a $1+m a year mossad salary and still beg for money on the interwebs.

  195. @PaceLaw
    This is exactly why I love Unz.com, where the truth can be spoken frankly and honestly! Where else can certain favorite minority groups (gays, blacks, etc.) be criticized forthrightly for their objectively aberrant behavior? The LBTQ movement seems like an unstoppable dynamo these days, practically equal in power to BLM, if not surpassing them. After all, who can criticize a homo these days??? The homo has essentially reached black status in terms of being a sacred cow that no one can touch.

    Given black folks tendency for random violence and murder (which can’t be ignored or explained away but for so long), I predict that the LGBTQ community will surpass them in influence in the very near future.

    Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @BLESTO-V

    Thursday, I was in a law library in a relatively upscale county. A tall, slender black guy around 60 came in. In that typically belligerent tone he asked the librarian if they had any law books. The librarian, with heavy Greek accent, says sure we’ve got law books, what kind are you interested in? The guy says, “racial discrimination.” Librarian says, well, our books aren’t broken out by type of discrimination, what happened anyway? The guy says he was in Wal-Mart, and this time, unlike the other two times, they asked him to take his mask down. I had to leave, so I don’t know how it turned out.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @BLESTO-V

    I know how it turned out: the black guy called all the lawyers within earshot racists because they wouldn't take his case on a contingency-fee basis.



    P.S. If you're in a state in which lawyers can be sanctioned for bringing frivolous or baseless lawsuits, litigating such a flimsy case against Wal-Mart (ordinarily seen as an attractive target [i.e., deep pocket], although I think Wal-Mart doesn't settle nuisance suits quickly, on the grounds that to do so would only encourage more such frivolous suits) can backfire in an ignominious fashion.

  196. @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Masking has made a big comeback in my moonbat college town (Department of Redundancy Department); it’s only a matter of time before indoor masking will be required, followed by an outdoor masking requirement. Many other Massachusetts towns in the “coalition of the moonbats” (P-town, Cambridge, Brookline, and soon, Northampton) have reintroduced mask requirements, and our local school administration has stated that while school will be open in the fall, all students and staff will be required to wear masks regardless of vaccine status. I guess the tin foil hatters are right, the vaccine doesn’t work, that’s why we have to wear masks. But you better get the COVID 9 Vactine, as Slow Joe put it.

    (I think I just set some kind of record for the number of times using the term ‘mask’ in a paragraph)

    Oh, and I’d lay some odds that the Dead and Company show at Citi Field on 20 August that I have tix for will not be happening. On the other hand, if the show does go on I’ll be interested in hearing “Brown-Eyed Women” sung through a face diaper.

    And another thing: I flew earlier in the week, and in the airports and on the planes they kept yammering on about how Federal law requires that masks be on at all times, except when one is actually depositing food into one’s yap. Take a bite or drink, put the mask back on. Is it really a law, passed by a legislative body and signed by an executive; or is it, as I suspect, a directive from the CDC or FAA, or an executive order from a governor, or the Dementia Patient in Chief?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @additionalMike, @BLESTO-V

    I don’t understand your problem. Mask mandates are just a variant of, and couldn’t have developed without, the elimination of free speech, and deadheads mostly agree with the people who don’t believe free speech has any importance any longer.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @BLESTO-V

    You’re correct, of course, but I live on the island of ME- and I’m one of the few non crazy deadheads (I’m not like all the others….)

    Unless you believe that being a deadhead is ipso facto evidence of being crazy….

    I just wanna go to the show.

  197. @Jack D
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    No vaccine is 100% effective. On the spectrum between "doesn't work" and 100% effective, the mRNA Covid vaccines are a lot closer to the latter than say the flu vaccine is. The flu vaccine REALLY doesn't work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

  198. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    Or Ann Arbor or East Grand Rapids. And back to the Sunshine State, Wilton Manors is much gayer than Key West these days.

    Once, a couple decades ago when I was a different man, I picked up a hot stripper in Key West. A buddy picked up another one and then the four of us did what any other heterosexuals did back then and went on a homo safari. Our strippers were working locally and knew the spots to hit. My one time walking through a queer bar and it was educational enough for my lifetime and more. These are some seriously sick and deranged men – they should never be allowed within 20’ of a child (that’s social distancing done right!)

    • Replies: @BLESTO-V
    @Stan d Mute

    In 1980 I was kissing my girlfriend, a 17-year old centerfold type, in a gay bar in a town known for its rodeo, and a guy watching in the mirror said, "if you keep doing that we all get to join in too."

  199. @Mark G.
    The news is not really getting out that the recent increase in cases is more due to the ineffectiveness of the vaccines, as the ABC news article above shows, rather than the increased transmission rates from the Delta variant. Biden just announced that all federal government workers will need to be vaccinated. After they are all vaccinated it will then eventually be discovered that didn't stop disease transmission. I think our political leaders may even suspect that already since they have put back in place mask requirements, another ineffective way to stop transmission, for the already vaccinated in government offices.

    I am especially dismayed by this because I work for the federal government and it doesn't sound like there will be any exceptions allowed. I just had Covid in June and have natural immunity. Natural immunity probably is as effective and long lasting as vaccine immunity so I will have to get vaccinated and expose myself to possible side effects from the vaccines for little benefit. A Harvard study showed that the VAERS system used by the government to track side effects is under counting numbers of people with negative side effects from the vaccines.

    All the economically destructive lockdowns, mask mandates and now workplace vaccine mandates are being done for a disease that 99.8% of people under the age of 65 recover from. The vaccines may be helpful for elderly people but workplace vaccine mandates primarily are imposed on younger people since most older people have retired.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Take your bug juice tax eater.

    • Troll: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Stan d Mute


    Take your bug juice tax eater.
     
    I'm a libertarian but the government does have some valid functions such as a military, police and court system. I work for the army. Are you an anarchist who thinks we should have no military at all? How do you think that would work out?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  200. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.

    In addition to a year of annoying muscle pain, I had knots in my spine when lying down for 5 years, and I still don’t sleep for long, even with various Rx aids. It stopped once for a month after I quit working, then I tried some light weightlifting again, and it came back. Best avoided.

  201. 1. Probably more relevant – sars2 seems to be spread more by aerosols than droplets and this is not just coughing, breathing but also faecal aerosols, which hang around in toilet spaces after flushing (especially with lids up). There are plenty of papers on this. So if a town of 3,000 suddenly has 40,000+ in it, there are likely far more opportunities to spread this way. As to other daily activities of gay men, it would seem to follow these could well contribute to sars 2 spread for similar reasons.

    2. Probably less relevant to sars2 spread but who knows – per the Sullivan comment “not at their immunological best”. Since February 2020 both HIV testing and number of PrEP prescriptions have declined significantly. Some of this may have been rational if activity did decrease but some may be an access and supply issue, particularly where so much health policy, and policy generally, assumes only one potential cause of death is of any importance.

  202. @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Reminds me of a funny story: my org hired in a strident young lesbian and assigned her to me as a subordinate. (I think it was someone’s idea of trolling the single straight white guy, but it turned out she and I got along really well.)

    Anyhow, she was a bit of a scene queen and had a little coterie of followers who would show up after work and she’d share the latest cultural innovations with them. One time, she’s got them all excited to watch this new BBC show about … lesbians! They all gather round her laptop to take in the latest soap-opera-with-accents from the Beeb.

    I watch over their shoulders this tedious BBC show for minute or two, and then tell them, “The BBC’s finally done it, they’ve made lesbianism boring!”

    Alarmed faces turn up at me from the laptop’s glare.

    I clarify, “You can find much better shows than this just by searching for ‘lesbian video’ with Safe Search off.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Bound is actually a good movie, but its central premise is an ultimate pedestalling of female sexuality, which either makes a lot of sense or explains what came after, since it comes to us from the then-brothers Wachowski.

  203. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Triteleia Laxa

    To a heterosexual man, lesbians are the most dull, uninteresting people on earth.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Triteleia Laxa, @James J O'Meara

    As I’ve said before, we were promised The Hunger 24/7 (Susan Sarandon, Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, Peter Murphy) but what we got were blue-haired land whales, Milo, and “Rachel” Levine. As Travolta says in Pulp Fiction, “What a gyp.” (Has that been cancelled yet?)

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @James J O'Meara

    Actual lesbians are hilariously drab sexual beings from a heterosexual male perspective. They project nothing.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/rapinoe.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

    https://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/cynthia-nixon-28th-annual-lucille-lortel-awards-02.jpg

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  204. @BLESTO-V
    @PaceLaw

    Thursday, I was in a law library in a relatively upscale county. A tall, slender black guy around 60 came in. In that typically belligerent tone he asked the librarian if they had any law books. The librarian, with heavy Greek accent, says sure we've got law books, what kind are you interested in? The guy says, "racial discrimination." Librarian says, well, our books aren't broken out by type of discrimination, what happened anyway? The guy says he was in Wal-Mart, and this time, unlike the other two times, they asked him to take his mask down. I had to leave, so I don't know how it turned out.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I know how it turned out: the black guy called all the lawyers within earshot racists because they wouldn’t take his case on a contingency-fee basis.

    [MORE]

    P.S. If you’re in a state in which lawyers can be sanctioned for bringing frivolous or baseless lawsuits, litigating such a flimsy case against Wal-Mart (ordinarily seen as an attractive target [i.e., deep pocket], although I think Wal-Mart doesn’t settle nuisance suits quickly, on the grounds that to do so would only encourage more such frivolous suits) can backfire in an ignominious fashion.

  205. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    It's not about unnatural. Gays probably tend to orgiastically hump & group together like a bunch of monkeys, which is generally absent from group behavior nowadays.

    Even with fully vaccinated participants, those close encounters result in Covid spike among participants (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/14/after-fivefold-jump-in-covid-cases-netherlands-is-ruing-nightlife-reopening/?sh=3107d3405958).

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    There’s a long-term plan to crack down on partying in Amsterdam. They want to maintain nightlife in the city, but transition away from younger, rowdier types to an older, calmer crowd.

    Amsterdam has said it will not allow a return to the “nuisance and massive crowds” the city endured before the pandemic, sending a blunt warning that visitors “whose intention is to booze and misbehave, dressed like a penis” should go elsewhere.

    As much of the EU prepares to open up to tourists who are vaccinated, have recovered from the coronavirus or can provide a negative test from 1 July, the Dutch capital’s city hall said in a statement it was taking “extra measures” to discourage excesses.

    Temporary bans on alcohol, laughing gas and sound systems can and will be imposed when concentrations of people become too great, the city warned. The city’s mayor, Femke Halsema, told the newspaper Het Parool that Amsterdam could not refuse people, but was trying to encourage more cultural tourism and reduce nuisance levels.

    The city’s promotion agency, amsterdam&partners, is launching a campaign of posters and online information to raise awareness of “desired behaviour”. The city “does not want nuisance from poor behaviour – like noise, peeing in public, street drunkenness”, a spokesperson told Dutchnews. “So we are starting an activation campaign targeting the kind of behaviour we do want.”

  206. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    Saugatuck, Michigan

    Is its nickname “S’uck”?

  207. What a reach.

    This is a huge L for the vaxx enthusiasts and a harbinger of things to come. And unlike AIDS, this has nothing to do with the gays. It’s, uh, not an STD.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93830

    “Of 469 cases linked to multiple summer events and large summer gatherings in a small town, 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated people, and almost 80% of those cases were symptomatic, reported Catherine Brown, DVM, of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, and colleagues.

    There were five hospitalizations, four among fully vaccinated people, and no deaths. Of 133 cases with sequence information available, 89% were from the Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the authors wrote in an early edition of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

    Moreover, vaccination coverage in Massachusetts was reported to be 69% as of July 3, they noted.”

  208. @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Actual lesbians are very unlike e-thots. Sir, please read some Bechdel before continuing to opine upon the daughters of Bilitis.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Some are. Those are the ones who are scared of sex in general. Others are often very promiscuous. I like generalisations because they’re useful, but only to a point.

  209. @Almost Missouri
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Reminds me of a funny story: my org hired in a strident young lesbian and assigned her to me as a subordinate. (I think it was someone's idea of trolling the single straight white guy, but it turned out she and I got along really well.)

    Anyhow, she was a bit of a scene queen and had a little coterie of followers who would show up after work and she'd share the latest cultural innovations with them. One time, she's got them all excited to watch this new BBC show about ... lesbians! They all gather round her laptop to take in the latest soap-opera-with-accents from the Beeb.

    I watch over their shoulders this tedious BBC show for minute or two, and then tell them, "The BBC's finally done it, they've made lesbianism boring!"

    Alarmed faces turn up at me from the laptop's glare.

    I clarify, "You can find much better shows than this just by searching for 'lesbian video' with Safe Search off."

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Bound is actually a good movie, but its central premise is an ultimate pedestalling of female sexuality, which either makes a lot of sense or explains what came after, since it comes to us from the then-brothers Wachowski.

  210. @JMcG
    @El Dato

    Ireland shut down Catholic Masses, communion and confirmation. Funerals and weddings were limited to a handful of attendees. They are talking about shutting them all down again an a reaction to the Delta variant, this time with some pushback.
    Meanwhile, the muslim worshippers in the mosques in Dublin went about their worship entirely unimpeded throughout the whole pandemic.
    You won’t find that in any newspapers in Ireland nor anywhere else. Nor will you find the details on the “gangs of youths” that so often administer beatings or rob stores.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    We deserve what we accept.

  211. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @That Would Be Telling

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Looks like Pfizer sent Twat Would Be Shilling to do a little (ok, A LOT OF) damage control and spread the Gospel of the Third Pricking. Gotta keep shareholders happy, amirite!

    Replies: @J.Ross, @That Would Be Telling

    Good thing he’s here, were he in some fully or mostly vaxxed place he’d be enduring hard stares all night.

  212. @Dumbo
    @Ben Kurtz

    I'm pretty sure gays are more vaccinated as a group than non-gays. The SF Gay chorus even had a song about vaccination, and progressives in general are big fans of vaccination.

    Plus, gays love pricks.

    As for the 80s Aids scare, it was similar to Covid, in the sense that the media and medicine quacks created a huge panic about people getting Aids in any type of sex act, when it was mostly just through homosexual anal sex. (Although apparently a few heterosexuals were unfortunate enough to catch it through blood transfusions).

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can’t remember any other celebrity.

    The number of non-African, non-homosexual sexually transmitted HIV cases in the UK is almost zero. All the saturation public health advertising in the ’80s was mostly pointless.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @jimmyriddle


    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can’t remember any other celebrity.
     
    It's the first time I hear of it. Apparently the source is a single biographer, who doesn't have much proof except speculation, so I think the evidence is very thin. But there are a few other more confirmed cases.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @jimmyriddle


    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can’t remember any other celebrity.
     
    Arthur Ashe, Isaac Asimov, and Tom Fogerty. Paul Michael Glaser's wife Elizabeth, who passed it on to her children, one of whom also died. All were straight. Ashe and the Glasers went public with the disease; Asimov was advised by his doctors to keep mum, and did.

    Still, it would seem quite difficult to fake an infection via transfusion to cover up erotic or narcotic misbehavior. Surgery is somewhat public, and hospitals have reputations to protect.

  213. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    "For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine"

    CDC admitted it doesn't work; ergo, it's not a vaccine. It's a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    “For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine”

    CDC admitted it doesn’t work; ergo, it’s not a vaccine. It’s a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.

    People like binary and seem to have a lot of problems with “sort of” and “somewhat”.

    The Xi virus isn’t “just the flu” nor is it measles, much less small pox.
    Flu < Covid-19 < Measles < Smallpox

    Sure the vaccine "doesn't work"–as in 100%. 90% against original flavor. Worse for alpha and delta. But still reduces hospitalization 90% and death 95%.

    Is the vaccine harming people? Sure. Some not at all. Many "a bit". A some seriously. And killing a few–a few obvious, and no doubt a bunch more. The spike protein sucks.

    But the get the Xi virus with no protection is even worse. It replicates in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself all with Mr Spikey whacking on you. If you're young, healthy–and lucky with the right genetics–you'll shut it down quickly without much damage. No worse than the vax. But for most people it will be worse–much more spiking than from the vax and more damage. And much more likely to kill you.

    Obviously if you skate through and never get the bug or the vax that's best. (Or skate through until there's a better safer vax.) But how likely is that? (I pretty much decided early on it was baked in–endemic–and you'll get one or the other.)

    Some things in life are binary. Most are "somewhat". Even the good things–are "pretty good" not "perfect". Is AnotherMom the "perfect" woman for me? No. Am i the "perfect" husband for her? No. But 95% is pretty darn good … close enough.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    The spike protein sucks.
     
    That sure seems to be the case. But I must repeat, not all spike proteins are created alike, several of the approved or well in progress vaccines use artificially stabilized versions of it, which at minimum prevents Mr Spikey from wacking ACE2 receptors. I'm not sure what other mischief it might cause and if keeping it in the "pre-fusion" configuration would avoid all of its pathologies. These would be the mRNA and Janssen vaccines, plus well in progress those from Novavax, Sanofi, and Medicago, bug cell culture or plant grown plus adjuvant. The second Russian and other peptide vaccines would also inherently avoid this.

    This is also believed to produce better immune system responses for all SARS type coronaviruses in research starting in the 1960s and for this virus family concluding in 2017 and Janssen added additional stabilization. As I recall compared to the wild type (WT) spike protein the stabilized ones are believed to not flop around so much and make it harder for the immune system to see parts of it.

    And finally see the toxicologist's maxim, "the dose makes the poison," there's a vast difference between allowing the virus to "[replicate] in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself" and thus leaking billions?? of free spike proteins, vs. having a very finite number of cells make it without self-replicating to other cells, not for very long at all for the mRNA ones, and no longer than fourteen days for Janssen's single jab.
    , @Kratoklastes
    @AnotherDad


    But for most people it will be worse
     
    Source?

    In Pfizer's famous '95% effectiveness" trial (Trial #NCT04368728), 99.12% of the 18,325 unvaccinated participants exhibited no symptoms at all during the relevant stage of the trial. That is to say, 0.88% developed symptoms.

    By contrast, 99.96% of the 18,198 vaccinated participants didn’t develop any symptoms. That is to say, 0.04% developed symptoms.

    Do the math in relative-risk terms, and you get the impressive-sounding '95% efficacy' touted by the corupt parasites running this shitshow.

    So 'for most people' - upwards of 99% - being unvaccinated will have zero consequences.

    Replies: @Jack D

  214. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/WebMD/status/1421312166108581888?s=20

    Lol sold your souls for a mess of Wokelism.

    Heckuva job, PMC!

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

    Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday

    And these are the Doctors – the “Health Care Heros” – whom we are supposed to trust.

    How can one “Trust the Science” as interperted by people who deny the biological reality of sex?

    Come to think of it, “Trust the Science” sounds a lot like “Trust the Plan”.

    Perhaps QAnon has just morphed into a new cult: MedAnon? PharmAnon?

  215. @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    Porn websites say otherwise.

    Uh … those aren’t lesbians.

    LT, you seem to have this weird fetish/obsession with trying to show-up or debunk normal heterosexual conservative guys. It’s certainly apiece with the minoritarian ideology of our age. But sorry, you can’t do it. We can’t be debunked.

    We are just … normal. Our sexual interest–healthy, fertile women–and desire–penis in vagina–is just normal, healthy and correct. Yes there is a “right answer” here–biologically and game-theory wise: it is what reproduces the species.

    That’s what actually conservative men and women are. We are the people who want to conserve–to maintain and reproduce–our families, communities, nation and civilization.

    Ergo we are by definition “right”. The assorted minoritarian perverts and parasites–wrong.

    But we’ll happily keep answering your queries, in your quirky quest–cluing you in on how normal guys think.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad

    Your post reminds me of progressives playing about as if they are the Resistance in Star Wars, but vice versa.

  216. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @That Would Be Telling

    • Cope: Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Looks like Pfizer sent Twat Would Be Shilling to do a little (ok, A LOT OF) damage control and spread the Gospel of the Third Pricking. Gotta keep shareholders happy, amirite!

    Replies: @J.Ross, @That Would Be Telling

    I see I’m not the only one who’s getting really impressed that you’re sticking to your idée fixe that I’m a Pfizer shill when you mindless repeat that after I say “Natural immunity is apparently now considered to be better than vaccine for Delta because….”

  217. @El Dato
    > Andrew Sullivan flies in each summer.
    > a three-letter word missing from this long article about Provincetown is “gay.”

    Ah!

    Reminder that vaccination will not particularly prevent you from getting the ∆Coof, but may well keep you out of the hospital or even the hearse. That and vitamin D.

    Meanwhile: More rogue live data packets on the Internet of life.

    Looks like we have a backlog in training people's immune system, and do those masks really work?

    Increased Interseasonal Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) Activity in Parts of the Southern United States

    RSV is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus (for those with fat brains: it's not a Coronavirus)


    Summary

     



    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased interseasonal respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) activity across parts of the Southern United States. Due to this increased activity, CDC encourages broader testing for RSV among patients presenting with acute respiratory illness who test negative for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. RSV can be associated with severe disease in young children and older adults. This health advisory also serves as a reminder to healthcare personnel, childcare providers, and staff of long-term care facilities to avoid reporting to work while acutely ill – even if they test negative for SARS-CoV-2.

    Background

    RSV is an RNA virus of the genus Orthopneumovirus, family Pneumoviridae, primarily spread via respiratory droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and through direct contact with a contaminated surface. RSV is the most common cause of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children under one year of age in the United States. Infants, young children, and older adults with chronic medical conditions are at risk of severe disease from RSV infection. Each year in the United States, RSV leads to on average approximately 58,000 hospitalizations1 with 100-500 deaths among children younger than 5 years old2 and 177,000 hospitalizations with 14,000 deaths among adults aged 65 years or older.3

    ....

    CDC noted increases in laboratory detections and in the percentages of positive detections for both antigen and PCR testing in parts of HHS Region 4 (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee) and Region 6 (Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas). Due to limited testing outside of the typical RSV season, data are limited in some jurisdictions and may be incomplete for the most recent weeks.

    Due to reduced circulation of RSV during the winter months of 2020–2021, older infants and toddlers might now be at increased risk of severe RSV-associated illness since they have likely not had typical levels of exposure to RSV during the past 15 months. In infants younger than six months, RSV infection may result in symptoms of irritability, poor feeding, lethargy, and/or apnea with or without fever. In older infants and young children, rhinorrhea and decreased appetite may appear one to three days before cough, often followed by sneezing, fever, and sometimes wheezing. Symptoms in adults are typically consistent with upper respiratory tract infections, including rhinorrhea, pharyngitis, cough, headache, fatigue, and fever. There is no specific treatment for RSV infection other than symptom management.

     

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @SaneClownPosse

    If “Covid” doesn’t get you, then “RSV” will.

    They are covering the bases as always, with false binary choices.

    Such as, who is better as a choice to run the nation, Billionaire backed Democrats or Billionaire backed Republicans?

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SaneClownPosse


    If “Covid” doesn’t get you, then “RSV” will.
     
    Hey, that's not how it goes. "If the Covid don't get you, then the lighting will.":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30n7Rl19l_w

    And that, anytime someone mentions Dr. Fauci "told me", I get "Uncle Salty told me" in my head, and have to put Aerosmith on the virtual turntable:

    "Uncle Fauci told me, stories of a lonely,
    virus with a deadly life to lead.
    A narrative was dusted. Economy was busted.
    the scientists are trusted while the story bleeds.


    Now, on TV at night, no one cares....
    Now, on TV at night, he went insane!!"!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVBxpVnsBr8
  218. @El Dato
    @AnotherDad

    Are we heading for mask apartheid in which only speakers of English are required to cover their faces?


    Coinciding with the Biden administration’s massive flip-flop on Covid protocol, which now requires that Americans – regardless of their vaccination status – go back to donning masks in public, Forbes published an article suggesting English speakers are the most pervasive super-spreaders of the coronavirus.

    The wobbly foundation for that theory is based on a 2003 scientific study that argues that the possible reason Americans traveling to China were infected by the SARS virus was because the English language is riddled with so-called “aspirated consonants” – spit-producing letters such as [p], [t], and [k], which are said to produce a lot of airborne droplets.

    ...

    This isn’t the first time that holding a conversation has been flagged as risky. Earlier this month, Australia’s Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant, after reporting a minor uptick in the number of Covid cases, shockingly advised people to end ‘small talk.’

    “So, even if you run into your next-door neighbor in the shopping center … don’t start up a conversation,” Chant said in a news conference. “Now’s the time for minimizing your interactions with others.”

    ...

    So, on two occasions in as many weeks, the vital function of communication through speech has come under scrutiny. That’s two times too many.
     

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, El Dato. It’s disgusting in its stupidity, but it will make a good blog post topic.

  219. @MGB
    @Ben Kurtz

    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. I live in the region and my personal experience is that being ‘fully vaccinated’ is a proud symbol of sophistication. Don’t know what the demographics of the summer PTown crowd is but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ben Kurtz, @3g4me

    @77 MGB: “MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US. ”

    Terrific. Then, over the next 5-10 years, we can expect there to be a reduction in the number of Massholes in the world.

  220. @Colin Wright
    Seven hospitalizations?

    That's...that's even worse than a serious auto accident. We should shut down the whole planet all over again.

    This goes on until we stop it. That's what I've always said.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Ron, I specifically requested a “• Fuckin A!” tag! Hello, McUnz?!

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  221. @AnotherDad
    The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i've learned about how my fellow humans behave that i've learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge ... and it seems likely i'll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak--and perhaps think--any interesting thought at all.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @El Dato, @SafeNow, @Doctor Jeyi, @Doctor Jeyi

    Possibly germane to this thread and certainly so to Michael Anton’s article is our new online ebook on Orwellian memory holing in SE Asia and the USA…

    It’s now at the head of the scroll-down contents menu on our primary website…

    https://cultivateunderstanding.com

  222. @al gore rhythms
    Last Summer I was working with a guy who house-shared with a gay man. He said that as soon as the lockdown was lifted he booked a flight to Barcelona and ended up catching Covid from a bloke he shagged there.

    It did bring home to me how the whole AIDS thing came about.

    You'd have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polemos

    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.

    Mr. Rhythms, let me make it clear that the Flu Manchu is an Equal Opportunity Infector. It will not discriminate against “different” orifices.

    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)
     
    You joke, but public health surveillance using sewage is a big thing today. It's a crude but theoretically useful tool, weasel word because at least in the US our ruling trash isn't big on following the SCIENCE!!! to predict and anticipate developments, they're at almost all levels and in almost domains entirely reactive.

    OK, where have they been proactive? Setting up a vaccine court et. al. for pandemic emergencies in the '00s, necessary when you have an insane civil legal system that can't be fixed because of its support of one party. Some useful stockpiling of PPE, and 3M for example had everything set up to double production in the US and I think elsewhere, but I don't think the government gets any credit for that. See my above comment on research into safe and effective vaccines against SARS type coronaviruses completed in 2017. Remdesivir, except for, you know, it failing every time it's been tried (nothing personal, we're still waiting for the first antiviral that makes a big difference in acute infections, the alt-hope right now is that (high dose?) ivermectin will be one). What else?
    , @JimDandy
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually, it encouraged the real troublemakers to come back.

  223. @El Dato
    All quiet on the Swedish Front, for now:

    Mask-free Sweden nears zero daily Covid deaths as chief epidemiologist warns against ‘far-reaching conclusions’ about Delta strain

    As the CDC urges Americans to mask up against the Delta variant, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist has argued that more data is needed about the strain’s infectiousness. His mask-free nation is hovering at zero Covid deaths per day.

    Anders Tegnell said on Friday that there was “a lot we do not know” about Delta and cautioned against drawing “far-reaching conclusions” about the coronavirus strain. He noted that the variant had been circulating in Sweden “for quite some time” with little effect, particularly in high-risk settings such as nursing homes.

    In separate remarks, he pointed to the fact that one-third of the country’s municipalities reported zero new Covid cases over the past week. At the same time, there was an uptick in cases among young people in Stockholm and other large cities.
     
    Also OT but ... Who you gonna call? White Russians!

    Biden’s DOJ sues Texas over order restricting migrant transportation as Gov. Abbott claims ‘constitutional crisis’

    Attorney General Merrick Garland has sued Texas, seeking to block and annul an executive order by Republican Governor Greg Abbott that outlawed the transportation of migrants who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

    Who you gonna call? White Russians!

    Call them, but don’t call them that. Even if the Germans, Danes, Norwegians, Finns, Hungarians and Balts still do.

    They’re not ones to minsk words!

    Does the word “Belarus” translate as “White Russia”?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1172608255526395912

  224. @That Would Be Telling
    @MGB


    MA has one of the highest official vaccination rates in the the US ... but if it’s primarily MA residents I don’t doubt most are fully vaccinated.
     
    The topline number I looked up today is 60% for the state as a whole, but going to the state's page on this it's 76% for the county including Provincetown, and as you note we'd need to know if this population is mostly MA residents. The weekly report only does age stratification by "at least once dose" but it's pretty good going down to 16-19 years of age, starting there and then the following at ten year intervals we've got 65%, 67%, 78%, 79%, then for 50-64 years of age 86%.

    One other detail from that weekly report is that use of the deliberately less effective Janssen single jab is low compared to the mRNA vaccines.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The entire Cape has thousands of people blowing in and out every 7 to 10 days all summer. It would be hard to pin down who’s from where.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  225. @AnotherDad
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    “For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine”

    CDC admitted it doesn’t work; ergo, it’s not a vaccine. It’s a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.
     
    People like binary and seem to have a lot of problems with "sort of" and "somewhat".

    The Xi virus isn't "just the flu" nor is it measles, much less small pox.
    Flu < Covid-19 < Measles < Smallpox

    Sure the vaccine "doesn't work"--as in 100%. 90% against original flavor. Worse for alpha and delta. But still reduces hospitalization 90% and death 95%.

    Is the vaccine harming people? Sure. Some not at all. Many "a bit". A some seriously. And killing a few--a few obvious, and no doubt a bunch more. The spike protein sucks.

    But the get the Xi virus with no protection is even worse. It replicates in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself all with Mr Spikey whacking on you. If you're young, healthy--and lucky with the right genetics--you'll shut it down quickly without much damage. No worse than the vax. But for most people it will be worse--much more spiking than from the vax and more damage. And much more likely to kill you.

    Obviously if you skate through and never get the bug or the vax that's best. (Or skate through until there's a better safer vax.) But how likely is that? (I pretty much decided early on it was baked in--endemic--and you'll get one or the other.)

    Some things in life are binary. Most are "somewhat". Even the good things--are "pretty good" not "perfect". Is AnotherMom the "perfect" woman for me? No. Am i the "perfect" husband for her? No. But 95% is pretty darn good ... close enough.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Kratoklastes

    The spike protein sucks.

    That sure seems to be the case. But I must repeat, not all spike proteins are created alike, several of the approved or well in progress vaccines use artificially stabilized versions of it, which at minimum prevents Mr Spikey from wacking ACE2 receptors. I’m not sure what other mischief it might cause and if keeping it in the “pre-fusion” configuration would avoid all of its pathologies. These would be the mRNA and Janssen vaccines, plus well in progress those from Novavax, Sanofi, and Medicago, bug cell culture or plant grown plus adjuvant. The second Russian and other peptide vaccines would also inherently avoid this.

    This is also believed to produce better immune system responses for all SARS type coronaviruses in research starting in the 1960s and for this virus family concluding in 2017 and Janssen added additional stabilization. As I recall compared to the wild type (WT) spike protein the stabilized ones are believed to not flop around so much and make it harder for the immune system to see parts of it.

    And finally see the toxicologist’s maxim, “the dose makes the poison,” there’s a vast difference between allowing the virus to “[replicate] in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself” and thus leaking billions?? of free spike proteins, vs. having a very finite number of cells make it without self-replicating to other cells, not for very long at all for the mRNA ones, and no longer than fourteen days for Janssen’s single jab.

  226. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Smith
    A friend asks “How many of the infected have HIV infection?”

    Replies: @anon

    About six percent verified HIV cases (source CDC in note marked “***”)

    The CDC paper too goes to hilarious lengths to avoid That Word, and to avoid naming the town:

    “During July 3–17, 2021, multiple summer events and large public gatherings were held in a town in Barnstable County, MA, that attracted thousands of tourists from across the US.”

    and

    “demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants”

  227. @Achmed E. Newman
    @al gore rhythms


    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.
     
    Mr. Rhythms, let me make it clear that the Flu Manchu is an Equal Opportunity Infector. It will not discriminate against "different" orifices.

    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @JimDandy

    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)

    You joke, but public health surveillance using sewage is a big thing today. It’s a crude but theoretically useful tool, weasel word because at least in the US our ruling trash isn’t big on following the SCIENCE!!! to predict and anticipate developments, they’re at almost all levels and in almost domains entirely reactive.

    OK, where have they been proactive? Setting up a vaccine court et. al. for pandemic emergencies in the ’00s, necessary when you have an insane civil legal system that can’t be fixed because of its support of one party. Some useful stockpiling of PPE, and 3M for example had everything set up to double production in the US and I think elsewhere, but I don’t think the government gets any credit for that. See my above comment on research into safe and effective vaccines against SARS type coronaviruses completed in 2017. Remdesivir, except for, you know, it failing every time it’s been tried (nothing personal, we’re still waiting for the first antiviral that makes a big difference in acute infections, the alt-hope right now is that (high dose?) ivermectin will be one). What else?

  228. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Porn websites say otherwise.
     
    Uh ... those aren't lesbians.


    LT, you seem to have this weird fetish/obsession with trying to show-up or debunk normal heterosexual conservative guys. It's certainly apiece with the minoritarian ideology of our age. But sorry, you can't do it. We can't be debunked.

    We are just ... normal. Our sexual interest--healthy, fertile women--and desire--penis in vagina--is just normal, healthy and correct. Yes there is a "right answer" here--biologically and game-theory wise: it is what reproduces the species.

    That's what actually conservative men and women are. We are the people who want to conserve--to maintain and reproduce--our families, communities, nation and civilization.

    Ergo we are by definition "right". The assorted minoritarian perverts and parasites--wrong.


    But we'll happily keep answering your queries, in your quirky quest--cluing you in on how normal guys think.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Your post reminds me of progressives playing about as if they are the Resistance in Star Wars, but vice versa.

  229. @AnotherDad
    The number of correlations between various groups of people and certain behaviors that i have gleaned over my life, that are now on the unmentionable list, seems to be creeping ever upward.

    At this rate, before my life is over everything i've learned about how my fellow humans behave that i've learned paying attention over a lifetime will be banned as anti-knowledge ... and it seems likely i'll spend my last years in a mute gray ooze, unable to speak--and perhaps think--any interesting thought at all.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @El Dato, @SafeNow, @Doctor Jeyi, @Doctor Jeyi

    Possibly germane to this thread and certainly so to Michael Anton’s article is our new online ebook on Orwellian memory holing in SE Asia and the USA…

    It’s now at the head of the scroll-down contents menu on our primary website…

    https://cultivateunderstanding.com

  230. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve’s observation carries increased weight thanks to a recent big gay essay about trying to have sex in the butt during the covid crises, appropriately titled, “Let it Rip”…

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/let-it-rip-f9c

  231. @SaneClownPosse
    @El Dato

    If "Covid" doesn't get you, then "RSV" will.

    They are covering the bases as always, with false binary choices.

    Such as, who is better as a choice to run the nation, Billionaire backed Democrats or Billionaire backed Republicans?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    If “Covid” doesn’t get you, then “RSV” will.

    Hey, that’s not how it goes. “If the Covid don’t get you, then the lighting will.”:

    And that, anytime someone mentions Dr. Fauci “told me”, I get “Uncle Salty told me” in my head, and have to put Aerosmith on the virtual turntable:

    “Uncle Fauci told me, stories of a lonely,
    virus with a deadly life to lead.
    A narrative was dusted. Economy was busted.
    the scientists are trusted while the story bleeds.

    Now, on TV at night, no one cares….
    Now, on TV at night, he went insane!!”!

  232. HA says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    'Pfizer announced on [July 8th] that its COVID vaccine booster shot could further protect individuals from “all currently known variants” of COVID-19'

    • Cope: Je Suis

    Zero times three is still zero.

    Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don't work. Covidiots are in stage one of the grieving process. When you graduate to the anger phase, direct it appropriately, please and thank you.

    Replies: @HA

    “Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work.”

    As noted earlier, it works just fine in Israel, so far, when it comes to the matter of keeping people out of the morgue, which is what matters most.

    Infections there jumped by about 30-fold over the last couple of weeks with this new variant. Whereas the number of deaths increased by about a factor of 2 even if we adjust for the time lag between infection and death. I think losing about two anti-vaxxers a day (those being the ones doing the majority of the dying) is a loss that, however tragic, Israel might just be able to survive given everything else it has had to deal with, but I guess we’ll see.

    Obviously, it won’t work nearly as well for people like you who are scared of needles, or whatever, but that’s your defect, not Pfizer’s.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11

    The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID.

    Replies: @HA

  233. Provincetown is notorious for its annual “Bear Week” in the summer where it becomes literally one of the gayest places on earth. Bear Week 2021 was 3 weeks ago, matching the timeline of this outbreak.

  234. @James J O'Meara
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    As I've said before, we were promised The Hunger 24/7 (Susan Sarandon, Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, Peter Murphy) but what we got were blue-haired land whales, Milo, and "Rachel" Levine. As Travolta says in Pulp Fiction, "What a gyp." (Has that been cancelled yet?)

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Actual lesbians are hilariously drab sexual beings from a heterosexual male perspective. They project nothing.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    https://images.app.goo.gl/5JJP4iBi53pEW8887

    Replies: @Random Anonymous

  235. @Bugg
    Do we know anything about the 7 people who were hospitalized? How old are they? Did they have a pre-existing condition ? Were they hospitalized specifically for COVID or was it for another medical condition and they then tested positive? These questions are not being asked. The default position instead is PANIC.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost

    You may safely assume, if it hadn’t been pointed out in the article, that these “cases” are indeed of elderly with comorbidities. Just like when you read about some crime, any omission of the suspect’s race is a fair indicator that he’s black.

  236. @Gamecock
    So it's not really a vaccine.

    Government saying mask up, even if vaccinated (sic), is prima facie evidence that we really don't have a vaccine.

    Also, that we don't have much of a government, either.

    '74% of them were fully immunized'

    What definition of 'immunized' are they using?

    Replies: @Alden

    The health authorities don’t know themselves what “fully immunized” means. They’re just making it up as they go along. If they are fully immunized, why did they get the disease?

    Lies lies and more lies.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alden

    "The health authorities don’t know themselves what “fully immunized” means. They’re just making it up as they go along."

    Of course they know. You simply distrust experts, so anything they say you automatically discount. It is other than surprising given you are a slave to confirmation bias.

    "If they are fully immunized, why did they get the disease?"

    “Breakthrough infections are to be expected, even when you have highly effective vaccines,” said Roy M. Gulick, chief of infectious disease at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “If you look at hospitalizations, over 97 percent of people entering are unvaccinated people,” Gulick said.

    “The vaccines are extraordinarily powerful and potent in working to prevent disease,” said Robert B. Darnell, a physician and biochemist at Rockefeller University in New York.

    A person is considered fully vaccinated greater than or equal to 2 weeks after completion of a two-dose mRNA series or single dose of a vaccine.

    A misconception exists that vaccines transform us into absolutely immune beings, able to instantaneously smite any virus we encounter. Sten H. Vermund, an infectious-disease epidemiologist and dean of the Yale School of Public Health, likened this false idea to a bug zapper: “As soon as it touches my mucosa or skin or genital tract — boom, zap, it’s gone!” Not quite. Instead, Vermund said, vaccines are more similar to poisoned traps, into which a pest might fall, wriggle a bit, then perish from insecticide. The coronavirus vaccines almost always stop you from getting very sick, but they cannot always stop infection.

    The more you know...

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782163

    Replies: @Alden

  237. @jsm
    @AnotherDad


    Good advice on shingles vax. Had an older friend get shingles a few decades back. He did not offer a positive review. Get the vax.
     
    Better advice: Find a kid with active chickenpox, to recharge your own immunity.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The first vaccine against shingles was a 4X dose of the attenuated virus used in childhood chickenpox vaccines. The problem with “finding a kid with active chickenpox” is that we’re using the latter vaccine to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells, plus how will you know if you’ve gotten enough of a booster dose of the wild type virus?? Also that vaccine has been withdrawn from the US market in favor of a supposed to be much more effective one which can also be taken ten years earlier, when you’re 50 instead of 60. I got shingles in my early 40s, so….

    • Replies: @jsm
    @That Would Be Telling

    Sorry about the shingles. It's misery, aye.

    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don't need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious. They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it's "inconvenient" for working parents to "have to take off a week of work to care for an ill child." -- See that "inconvenient" thing, there? No kidding. That was the "medical justification." Mustn't let anything interfere with making the Almighty Dollar...

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids' chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents' immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles. So the childhood chickenpox vax is directly responsible for the increase in shingles in our senior citizens.

    Funny, that, isn't it? We're told we must vax kids for COVID, even though they don't need it, to protect old folks (from Covid.) But we're ALSO told that we must vax kids for chickenpox, making it so they *can't* protect the old folks (from shingles.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ralph L

  238. @PaceLaw
    @Dumbo

    You are absolutely spot on! The transgender community is absolutely filled with insane and mentally unstable people!!! Why supposedly sane people insist on overlooking this fact is truly mind-boggling. Is it just for fear of being “cancelled“ that people deny the truth? If so, sad.

    Replies: @mc23, @Etruscan Film Star

    It is only six years since the US Supreme Court legalized Gay Marriage and it took around two years after that for the transgender craze to kick in. When Steve started talking about “World Would T” coming up I thought that’s a stretch. Unfortunately he was dead tight.

    Think of it, in 4-6 years every document, web page etc. was changed to normalize Transgenderism even though the vast majority of people didn’t take it seriously. At least half of the current supporters changed their beliefs and opinions due to propaganda and social pressure in a very short period of time on fundamental matter of humanity.

    The Nazis would be envious of this success.

  239. @HA
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    "Admit truth, begin the healing: the Prick don’t work."

    As noted earlier, it works just fine in Israel, so far, when it comes to the matter of keeping people out of the morgue, which is what matters most.

    Infections there jumped by about 30-fold over the last couple of weeks with this new variant. Whereas the number of deaths increased by about a factor of 2 even if we adjust for the time lag between infection and death. I think losing about two anti-vaxxers a day (those being the ones doing the majority of the dying) is a loss that, however tragic, Israel might just be able to survive given everything else it has had to deal with, but I guess we'll see.

    Obviously, it won't work nearly as well for people like you who are scared of needles, or whatever, but that's your defect, not Pfizer's.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11

    The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID.

    • Replies: @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw."

    The unvaccinated in the US don't seem to have gotten your memo. Currently they're dying at the rate of about 320/day, up from 280/day this time last month. Get a load of those silly dead people, sprawled out on those mortuary slabs for no reason!

    "The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID."

    The vaccine was able to push variation all on its own, and all the variants we've seen so far have arisen in areas where vaccination rates were low to non existent. And if it's true we're all going to get the disease, and it may well be for all I know, it wouldn't make a vaccine jab any less worthwhile. On the contrary, given the sharply reduced death toll for those groups that are vaccinated, it makes it that much more important.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Dumbo

  240. @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.

    Think of it as a vaccine. We are cowpox, not smallpox.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't get that one, Reg, but for Redneck Farmer: I wrote back to Andrew just to explain transportation to/from there - had a friend who lives on one of the other Keys. However, that post had the line about hurricanes, simply because the US-1 is the only road out. You'll be stuck - maybe that "hole" part was misinterpreted, something I didn't think about till just now.

    I have been to Provincetown, but in that case, it was a beach outing. We got there the quick way, then got out - didn't really see any specific gay stuff at the beach in the daytime. This was long ago, though.

    As for our host, his worries about the Flu Manchu, or really in this case just noticing of the usual press lying by omission, is why he posted this one. He's not INTO it, haha! Not that there's anything wrong with that... of course not.

  241. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.

    It serves as Chicago’s Fire Island or Provincetown. I’d never heard of it until recently, and I know a great deal about my dad’s native state.

    The town also features a number of family-friendly attractions. Sounds like both the straights and the gays are invested in keeping publicity to a minimum.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    I went camping there in 1984. It didn't seem very gay then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Random Anonymous, @Hibernian

  242. “The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse… It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    So maybe our country’s leaders really are Communists. Or at least the descendants of Communists.

  243. @ArthurinCali
    I wrote a paper for a course in world cultures on the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, with an emphasis on how the gay community responded. While there were efforts on pushing the medical authorities to investigate the cause of rare cancers and maladies that were becoming more prevalent, other actions proved harmful.

    Although the narrative is that the city officials did not care about the crisis, they did attempt to enact policies that very likely would have saved more lives. For example, officials wanted to shut down the multiple gay bathhouses and saunas that were literally AIDS factories due to the massive amount of anonymous sexual encounters going on at the businesses. This was met with overwhelming resistance from the owners of these establishments. It was also portrayed as an attack on the gay culture.

    Even when told of how the disease was sexually transmitted, many continued to peddle this as a myth. People dropping left and right, yet discouraging unhealthy social behaviors were still seen as an attack on the culture.

    Replies: @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Paul Jolliffe, @Thomas, @guest, @JimDandy

    Is submitting to mass-vaccination for Covid a healthy or unhealthy social behavior, in your opinion?

  244. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-07-30T13%3A00%3A11

    The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID.

    Replies: @HA

    “Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw.”

    The unvaccinated in the US don’t seem to have gotten your memo. Currently they’re dying at the rate of about 320/day, up from 280/day this time last month. Get a load of those silly dead people, sprawled out on those mortuary slabs for no reason!

    “The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID.”

    The vaccine was able to push variation all on its own, and all the variants we’ve seen so far have arisen in areas where vaccination rates were low to non existent. And if it’s true we’re all going to get the disease, and it may well be for all I know, it wouldn’t make a vaccine jab any less worthwhile. On the contrary, given the sharply reduced death toll for those groups that are vaccinated, it makes it that much more important.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    LOL. The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised. I've had COVID. I'm sorry you're medically fragile but we all have to die some time.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @HA

    , @Dumbo
    @HA

    Get a grip on yourself. We're not "all gonna get the disease". Mankind survived much worse things. Some people get sick, some don't. The vaccine... we will see. I wouldn't have a problem if it was just voluntary, but the Powers that Be just love Divide x Conquer, and couldn't resist to create yet another division between "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated". And of course bureaucrats love authoritarian controls like the "green pass".

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

  245. @SailerFan
    From the coronavirus ma sub reddy:

    I'm one of the P-Town Positives, and I feel like the CDC is missing a key detail

    NSFW.

    Like many gay men, I thought the vaccine made me invincible and I had a year's worth of pent-up sexual frustration, so I partied hard in P-Town during July 4 week.

    I tested positive a day after I left, with some cold symptoms that lasted a few days.

    People are understandably worried about the CDC data showing breakthrough cases in P-Town, but I feel like they've left out a rather large variable. I suspect it may have something to do with offending gay men, so allow me to tell you a little bit about my week.

    *\*Ahem\* Cue Jeff Foxworthy voice* ... **You might get a breakthrough case**:

    * If you're packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    Do most people live their regular daily lives this way? I certainly don't.

    Every single guy I talked to was fully vaccinated, so I don't even know how an unvaccinated person would get COVID because they didn't seem to be in P-Town that week.

    It was a rude awakening that the vaccine does *not* make me invincible -- but the shot still worked miracles. I barely got sick. All of my vaccinated friends who I lived with for the week tested negative. The cases in P-Town are already plummeting. Without the vaccine, I imagine cases would have been 5,000+ with dozens of hospitalizations and a handful of deaths -- with Delta spreading uncontrollably throughout the rest of MA. But instead, the state numbers seem to be plateauing.

    I'm embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news. I'm horribly sorry to anyone I've indirectly infected. I've learned an important lesson. But I'm not quite sure it's a representative case study of the average MA population.

    My point is... To everyone worried about the P-Town data: I wouldn't get too nervous going to the grocery store just yet -- unless you tend to have orgies at Market Basket.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Polemos, @donut

    Market Basket is one of my fondest memories from my student days…

  246. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    I had never even heard of this town. Amazing, the kinds of things you learn on a conservative web site.
     
    It serves as Chicago's Fire Island or Provincetown. I'd never heard of it until recently, and I know a great deal about my dad's native state.

    The town also features a number of family-friendly attractions. Sounds like both the straights and the gays are invested in keeping publicity to a minimum.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I went camping there in 1984. It didn’t seem very gay then.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    I went camping there in 1984. It didn’t seem very gay then.
     
    Just when did all those other places go pink? Key West, Fire Island, Provincetown, the Russian River, Mykonos...

    Urban centers such as San Francisco fit your counter-Floridian hypothesis that gayness follows money rather than vice versa. What about vacation towns?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Random Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Camping, eh? With the Boy Scouts? (Just kidding.)

    , @Hibernian
    @Steve Sailer

    I've heard Traverse City is very artsy-craftsy. I don't think it's just one town. On the other side of the lake is Door County WI, incidentally, and perhaps ironically, not far from Green Bay. It's popular with Chicago's "Smart Set." Haven't heard of it having a gay connection, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  247. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw."

    The unvaccinated in the US don't seem to have gotten your memo. Currently they're dying at the rate of about 320/day, up from 280/day this time last month. Get a load of those silly dead people, sprawled out on those mortuary slabs for no reason!

    "The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID."

    The vaccine was able to push variation all on its own, and all the variants we've seen so far have arisen in areas where vaccination rates were low to non existent. And if it's true we're all going to get the disease, and it may well be for all I know, it wouldn't make a vaccine jab any less worthwhile. On the contrary, given the sharply reduced death toll for those groups that are vaccinated, it makes it that much more important.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Dumbo

    LOL. The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised. I’ve had COVID. I’m sorry you’re medically fragile but we all have to die some time.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm with on just about everything, so I'm curious what you think about my one fear: typically these kinds of viruses become more infectious and less lethal, but a "shedding" vaccine could do the exact opposite. Thoughts?

    , @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised."

    Never said it wasn't. However, they're still just as dead as those you regard worth saving and to the extent I'm expected to pay for their lung transplants and ventilator time -- and generally, it's a safe bet that I am -- I reserve the right to take an interest on that basis alone, though -- and I know this will come as a shock to you -- it is actually possible to care about the deaths of other people even when you consider yourself to be out of harm's way.

    Oh, and as for 400M people, however deep the collective bench is, that "it's nothing that should concern us because we have plenty more replacements" meme gets a little old after a while, right along with "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population” meme, though I guess it depends on who is getting replaced.

  248. @That Would Be Telling
    @jsm

    The first vaccine against shingles was a 4X dose of the attenuated virus used in childhood chickenpox vaccines. The problem with "finding a kid with active chickenpox" is that we're using the latter vaccine to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells, plus how will you know if you've gotten enough of a booster dose of the wild type virus?? Also that vaccine has been withdrawn from the US market in favor of a supposed to be much more effective one which can also be taken ten years earlier, when you're 50 instead of 60. I got shingles in my early 40s, so....

    Replies: @jsm

    Sorry about the shingles. It’s misery, aye.

    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don’t need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious. They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it’s “inconvenient” for working parents to “have to take off a week of work to care for an ill child.” — See that “inconvenient” thing, there? No kidding. That was the “medical justification.” Mustn’t let anything interfere with making the Almighty Dollar…

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids’ chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents’ immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles. So the childhood chickenpox vax is directly responsible for the increase in shingles in our senior citizens.

    Funny, that, isn’t it? We’re told we must vax kids for COVID, even though they don’t need it, to protect old folks (from Covid.) But we’re ALSO told that we must vax kids for chickenpox, making it so they *can’t* protect the old folks (from shingles.)

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @jsm


    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don’t need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious.
     
    And those for whom it is serious, at normal ages for getting it, or later in their life when it's more likely to be serious? Not to mention the scarring that can happen, speaking from experience?

    They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it’s “inconvenient” for working parents....

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids’ chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents’ immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles.
     
    Well that doesn't happen much anymore, does it?

    And for those who get the childhood vaccine, the odds of getting shingles later are significantly reduced. Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Zatonia

    , @Ralph L
    @jsm

    But if only some kids get vaxed for chickenpox, the unvaxed might not get it until they're adults, when it's much more dangerous.

  249. @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad


    And as our society has slid into this sort of minoritarian lies+nonsense insanity, i now find myself a barking “far right” loon**. (“Far right” means would like to preserve a smidgen of the traditional, sane, normal, married with children, “rule of law”, white Western Civ America i was born into.) So i think i’ll do as well as the next guy as your “conservative man”.
     
    I simply think that the America (and Europe for that matter) of the 1970s / 1980s (early 80s, anyway) - i.e. the America of my youth - was a pretty good place. Not perfect, mind you. Not without any problems. But pretty good.

    For that, I am now considered a reactionary.

    Replies: @BLESTO-V

    Is it possible that today’s gays don’t realize their forerunners were doing exactly as they pleased, undisturbed, in 1975?

  250. Anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Breadly Copter
    The gay angle is interesting - and those dudes are not a healthy bunch. That said, this study is sure drawing out a lot of vaxx cope from you guys. "The gheys are lying! They weren't really vaxxed! The gheys are unhealthsome! That's why 74% of cases were vaxxed! And they probably weren't vaxxed anyhow!"

    C'mon, Steve, don't go Occam's Butterknife on us. Occam's razor: maybe the vaxx is not so awesome after all; we'll have to wait and see.

    One more thing for Steve's noticing skills: Now that we are six months out from first vaccinations, over the next 3-4 months we should start seeing first signs of ADE if that is going to be a problem with this new mRNA tech.

    Replies: @Anon

    @@ “Now that we are six months out from first vaccinations, over the next 3-4 months we should start seeing first signs of ADE if that is going to be a problem with this new mRNA tech.”

    Check out the Daily Mail’s funny coverage of two sudden deaths: Joey Jordison, 46 and Bob Odenkirk, 58. No idea who they are, but they collapsed or dropped dead or something.

    It would be microthrombotic, or otherwise spike-related.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Anon

    Odenkirk didn't die, but his heart attack has more people suspicious of covid vaccine.

    Replies: @MGB, @Inquiring Mind, @Anon

  251. @Jack D
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    No vaccine is 100% effective. On the spectrum between "doesn't work" and 100% effective, the mRNA Covid vaccines are a lot closer to the latter than say the flu vaccine is. The flu vaccine REALLY doesn't work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

    The flu vaccine REALLY doesn’t work in many years (but we still call it a vaccine).

    To quote Mark Twain: if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?

  252. @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or Ann Arbor or East Grand Rapids. And back to the Sunshine State, Wilton Manors is much gayer than Key West these days.

    Once, a couple decades ago when I was a different man, I picked up a hot stripper in Key West. A buddy picked up another one and then the four of us did what any other heterosexuals did back then and went on a homo safari. Our strippers were working locally and knew the spots to hit. My one time walking through a queer bar and it was educational enough for my lifetime and more. These are some seriously sick and deranged men - they should never be allowed within 20’ of a child (that’s social distancing done right!)

    Replies: @BLESTO-V

    In 1980 I was kissing my girlfriend, a 17-year old centerfold type, in a gay bar in a town known for its rodeo, and a guy watching in the mirror said, “if you keep doing that we all get to join in too.”

  253. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik
     
    Speaking of which, I’m wondering if there are any neuropathy experts on isteve?

    If so, can you explain why Rachel Maddow generally speaks from the right side of her mouth? Could that be due to a long-past mini-stroke, or has it something to do with some kind of genetically-based neural dysfunction, or perhaps a virus? Past Alcoholism? A sign that something worse is going on?

    She does it every day, but I don’t think she’s ever explained what her problem is:

    https://youtu.be/yF_IGqSdN20

    Replies: @Anon, @duncsbaby

    Botox & fillers?

  254. @Stan d Mute
    @Mark G.

    Take your bug juice tax eater.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Take your bug juice tax eater.

    I’m a libertarian but the government does have some valid functions such as a military, police and court system. I work for the army. Are you an anarchist who thinks we should have no military at all? How do you think that would work out?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mark G.

    100% better than your Woke “military” with imbeciles like Thoroughly Woke Milley and the incomprehensible incompetence displayed in Afghanistan. And I am just guessing, but I suspect that there would be millions more innocent civilians still alive without you Mr Tax Eater.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  255. @jimmyriddle
    @Dumbo

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can't remember any other celebrity.

    The number of non-African, non-homosexual sexually transmitted HIV cases in the UK is almost zero. All the saturation public health advertising in the '80s was mostly pointless.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Reg Cæsar

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can’t remember any other celebrity.

    It’s the first time I hear of it. Apparently the source is a single biographer, who doesn’t have much proof except speculation, so I think the evidence is very thin. But there are a few other more confirmed cases.

  256. The NYTimes being a little more frank about the situation in Provincetown:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/covid-outbreak-provincetown-cape-cod.html

    Another interesting Times piece, this one about a COVID breakout at a couple of San Francisco hospitals:

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/31/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

    A fascinating Twitter thread kicked off by a Tweet from Piers Morgan, who’s having a tough time with COVID despite being double-jabbed:

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Paleo Retiree

    And he was probably spreading it like a motherfucker while pompously condemning the unvaccinated.

  257. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Everybody who was going to die has died as the virus mutates into higher transmissibility and lower morbidity, pushed by the vaccines, btw."

    The unvaccinated in the US don't seem to have gotten your memo. Currently they're dying at the rate of about 320/day, up from 280/day this time last month. Get a load of those silly dead people, sprawled out on those mortuary slabs for no reason!

    "The vaccines are of limited utility and pushing variation. I suggest you get used to the fact that you, like everyone else on the planet, will eventually contract COVID."

    The vaccine was able to push variation all on its own, and all the variants we've seen so far have arisen in areas where vaccination rates were low to non existent. And if it's true we're all going to get the disease, and it may well be for all I know, it wouldn't make a vaccine jab any less worthwhile. On the contrary, given the sharply reduced death toll for those groups that are vaccinated, it makes it that much more important.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Dumbo

    Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”. Mankind survived much worse things. Some people get sick, some don’t. The vaccine… we will see. I wouldn’t have a problem if it was just voluntary, but the Powers that Be just love Divide x Conquer, and couldn’t resist to create yet another division between “vaccinated” and “unvaccinated”. And of course bureaucrats love authoritarian controls like the “green pass”.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Dumbo

    "Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”.

    If the notion that we're all going to catch COVID (mildly or otherwise) at some point triggers you so much, take it up with the person I was responding to, who actually made the claim. I didn't, I just admitted that it may be true for all I know. I do think it's probably more likely to be true now that the delta variant has come up than it was before but that's a relative claim.

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it's no big deal either way, and far less of a deal if one is fully vaccinated. No one at any point suggested that mankind's survival is at stake, so maybe you should get a grip on yourself before lecturing others about things like that.

    As for TPTB or whatever you think they're planning for you at the moment, it's a general rule that vaccine free-riders are only tolerated up to a point. After that, they're not. It's as simple as that, so maybe you should deal with it and get a grip on yourself, if you're such an expert on that (and because mankind has survived worse, or whatever).

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”. Mankind survived much worse things.
     
    Look, this is not the Black Death or Ebola. The case fatality rate is around 1% and mainly concentrated among the elderly (avg. age of fatalities is around 80). However, this is the worst new virus to come along since the Spanish Flu of 1918. 600K excess deaths in the US and over 4 million dead worldwide ain't chopped liver (and we're not even done with this virus yet). US life expectancy fell by 1.5 years in 2020, which was the biggest decline since WWII. This is just too big a deal to ignore or "let nature take its course". Without the vaccine, Covid was not done burning thru our population and there would have been AT LEAST another 600k excess deaths, if not more. Given current vaccination rates, there still may be.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  258. @jimmyriddle
    @Dumbo

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can't remember any other celebrity.

    The number of non-African, non-homosexual sexually transmitted HIV cases in the UK is almost zero. All the saturation public health advertising in the '80s was mostly pointless.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Reg Cæsar

    The Argentinian writer, Julio Cortezar, was infected via transfusion. He and his Canadian wife probably died of AIDS, although it was hushed up at the time. I can’t remember any other celebrity.

    Arthur Ashe, Isaac Asimov, and Tom Fogerty. Paul Michael Glaser’s wife Elizabeth, who passed it on to her children, one of whom also died. All were straight. Ashe and the Glasers went public with the disease; Asimov was advised by his doctors to keep mum, and did.

    Still, it would seem quite difficult to fake an infection via transfusion to cover up erotic or narcotic misbehavior. Surgery is somewhat public, and hospitals have reputations to protect.

  259. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    LOL. The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised. I've had COVID. I'm sorry you're medically fragile but we all have to die some time.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @HA

    I’m with on just about everything, so I’m curious what you think about my one fear: typically these kinds of viruses become more infectious and less lethal, but a “shedding” vaccine could do the exact opposite. Thoughts?

  260. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @James J O'Meara

    Actual lesbians are hilariously drab sexual beings from a heterosexual male perspective. They project nothing.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/rapinoe.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

    https://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/cynthia-nixon-28th-annual-lucille-lortel-awards-02.jpg

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Definitely an exception, but one that proves the rule.

  261. @Paleo Retiree
    The NYTimes being a little more frank about the situation in Provincetown:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/covid-outbreak-provincetown-cape-cod.html

    Another interesting Times piece, this one about a COVID breakout at a couple of San Francisco hospitals:

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/31/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

    A fascinating Twitter thread kicked off by a Tweet from Piers Morgan, who’s having a tough time with COVID despite being double-jabbed:

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1421462552609972229

    Replies: @JimDandy

    And he was probably spreading it like a motherfucker while pompously condemning the unvaccinated.

    • Agree: Paleo Retiree
  262. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    I went camping there in 1984. It didn't seem very gay then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Random Anonymous, @Hibernian

    I went camping there in 1984. It didn’t seem very gay then.

    Just when did all those other places go pink? Key West, Fire Island, Provincetown, the Russian River, Mykonos…

    Urban centers such as San Francisco fit your counter-Floridian hypothesis that gayness follows money rather than vice versa. What about vacation towns?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Just when did all those other places go pink? Key West, Fire Island, Provincetown, the Russian River, Mykonos…

    Urban centers such as San Francisco fit your counter-Floridian hypothesis that gayness follows money rather than vice versa. What about vacation towns?
     

    The counter-Floridian hypothesis is obviously true. A place does well and offers economic opportunity and various additional peoples flock there--immigrants, the middle men (inc. Jews, overseas Chinese, Armenians, etc.), blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. etc.

    That does not mean those people "created" the prosperity there. Nor that the prosperity depends upon them.

    Similar with these resort areas. Those areas were nice well before homosexuals colonized them. They'd be nicer--for everyone else--if the homosexuals weren't around. Though, in terms of dollars some of those areas are benefiting from specifically having the homosexual trade as homosexuals, for obvious reasons, have lots of discretionary income and being one the places they spend it can be lucrative. (Though that $$$ benefit comes at a cost.)

    This process is unfortunate ... it goes on and the natives lose what they built (ex. London, Detroit). Or--as with these cases--normies lose very nice places. Again the reason for borders, defense, segregation, locks on your door.

  263. @Elli
    @Bert

    But wouldn't the virus have nearly as many opportunities to mutate and evolve, whether 4 billion people catch it in a short period of time, or extend the time?

    The longer time allows specific challenges that drive evolution, like vaccines and medications, but the viruses' random enjoyment of 4 billion naive immune systems, and billions of potential animal systems will give opportunities in plenty.

    Replies: @Bert, @Bert

    The issue isn’t time. It is the nature of the primeval variant versus what could later evolve. In March, 2020, the variant was relatively benign. Rapid herd immunity would have reduced the chance of descendent variants like Delta and Gamma arising.

    Think about it this way. SARS-2, despite any chimeric or Gain-of-Function changes, was ancestrally transmitted in densely packed colonies of bats in enclosed spaces, i.e. optimized only for transmission at short-range. A year and a half of circulation within human populations obviously should select for greater transmissibility through higher spike density and better spike function. Such predictable adaptations have made viral load much larger and probably the infection more likely to cause greater morbidity (long hauling) and mortality.

    If you were going to do a Gain-of-Function protocol to enhance transmission by aerosol, what you would do in, say, minks is exactly social distancing. You would set up mink cages in a circular array in a large warehouse. There would be a central cage with an infected mink and then concentric circles of cages with each farther circle being proportionately farther out. Then you would use virions from the mink which got infected despite being farthest from the center of the array for the next iteration of the protocol.

    In March, 2020, there were two choices: purposeful infections or doing social distancing. Social distancing was the mink experiment done with people.

  264. @jsm
    @That Would Be Telling

    Sorry about the shingles. It's misery, aye.

    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don't need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious. They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it's "inconvenient" for working parents to "have to take off a week of work to care for an ill child." -- See that "inconvenient" thing, there? No kidding. That was the "medical justification." Mustn't let anything interfere with making the Almighty Dollar...

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids' chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents' immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles. So the childhood chickenpox vax is directly responsible for the increase in shingles in our senior citizens.

    Funny, that, isn't it? We're told we must vax kids for COVID, even though they don't need it, to protect old folks (from Covid.) But we're ALSO told that we must vax kids for chickenpox, making it so they *can't* protect the old folks (from shingles.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ralph L

    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don’t need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious.

    And those for whom it is serious, at normal ages for getting it, or later in their life when it’s more likely to be serious? Not to mention the scarring that can happen, speaking from experience?

    They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it’s “inconvenient” for working parents….

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids’ chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents’ immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles.

    Well that doesn’t happen much anymore, does it?

    And for those who get the childhood vaccine, the odds of getting shingles later are significantly reduced. Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines

    The Left is so...organized...

    The Covid/Shingles vaccine push reminds me of 'If you buy this...you may be interested in buying these other things' on Amazon

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling

    , @Zatonia
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells." This is correct.

    Shingles is horrible.

  265. @AnotherDad
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    “For example, the reluctance to taking the Covid vaccine”

    CDC admitted it doesn’t work; ergo, it’s not a vaccine. It’s a mystery substance that will harm you sometine in the near future. Stop living in the past.
     
    People like binary and seem to have a lot of problems with "sort of" and "somewhat".

    The Xi virus isn't "just the flu" nor is it measles, much less small pox.
    Flu < Covid-19 < Measles < Smallpox

    Sure the vaccine "doesn't work"--as in 100%. 90% against original flavor. Worse for alpha and delta. But still reduces hospitalization 90% and death 95%.

    Is the vaccine harming people? Sure. Some not at all. Many "a bit". A some seriously. And killing a few--a few obvious, and no doubt a bunch more. The spike protein sucks.

    But the get the Xi virus with no protection is even worse. It replicates in your cells, creating billions of copies of itself all with Mr Spikey whacking on you. If you're young, healthy--and lucky with the right genetics--you'll shut it down quickly without much damage. No worse than the vax. But for most people it will be worse--much more spiking than from the vax and more damage. And much more likely to kill you.

    Obviously if you skate through and never get the bug or the vax that's best. (Or skate through until there's a better safer vax.) But how likely is that? (I pretty much decided early on it was baked in--endemic--and you'll get one or the other.)

    Some things in life are binary. Most are "somewhat". Even the good things--are "pretty good" not "perfect". Is AnotherMom the "perfect" woman for me? No. Am i the "perfect" husband for her? No. But 95% is pretty darn good ... close enough.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Kratoklastes

    But for most people it will be worse

    Source?

    In Pfizer’s famous ‘95% effectiveness” trial (Trial #NCT04368728), 99.12% of the 18,325 unvaccinated participants exhibited no symptoms at all during the relevant stage of the trial. That is to say, 0.88% developed symptoms.

    By contrast, 99.96% of the 18,198 vaccinated participants didn’t develop any symptoms. That is to say, 0.04% developed symptoms.

    Do the math in relative-risk terms, and you get the impressive-sounding ‘95% efficacy’ touted by the corupt parasites running this shitshow.

    So ‘for most people’ – upwards of 99% – being unvaccinated will have zero consequences.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kratoklastes

    I hope you are being dishonest because the alternative is even worse. A drug trial lasts for a few months. Due to ethical considerations, they can't purposely infect the trial participants. So they just have to wait for some of the participants to be infected on their own. If they are "lucky" a lot of the participants get infected. If they are not so lucky, then not many. So they have to sign up lots and lots of people in order to get meaningful results because most people (in this case 99%) won't get infected in such a short period. If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) but at some point it becomes unethical to keep running the trial because you are endangering the lives of the participants who got the placebo.

    The trial at this point is not very relevant because they have now given the vaccine to millions and millions of people and have much more data. This data shows that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Right now, around 97% of the people in ICUs with Covid are unvaccinated (despite over half the population being vaccinated) and the few vaccinated individuals almost all have serious comorbidities such as cancer or immunocompromise.

    Replies: @MGB, @Greta Handel, @Kratoklastes

  266. @That Would Be Telling
    @jsm


    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don’t need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious.
     
    And those for whom it is serious, at normal ages for getting it, or later in their life when it's more likely to be serious? Not to mention the scarring that can happen, speaking from experience?

    They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it’s “inconvenient” for working parents....

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids’ chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents’ immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles.
     
    Well that doesn't happen much anymore, does it?

    And for those who get the childhood vaccine, the odds of getting shingles later are significantly reduced. Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Zatonia

    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines

    The Left is so…organized…

    The Covid/Shingles vaccine push reminds me of ‘If you buy this…you may be interested in buying these other things’ on Amazon

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don't want to get shingles at your age.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Thoughts


    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines
     
    And your point, besides libeling me, is what?

    Echoing our host, Zatonia and many others, you don't want to get shingles full stop. If you get chickenpox, or are unlucky with the childhood vaccine against it, the very complicated herpesvirus involved hides out in your nervous system cells. That should get the attention of anyone with half a mind, because dormant viruses acting again in that part of your body is, I'm tempted to say, by definition painful. For most people, very painful.

    As I previously said, resulted in "the only narcotic prescription I’ve filled as an adult," I got a script for one self-clearing bout of kidney stones, but acetaminophen/paracetamol was enough. For shingles I was in something of a daze for solid three weeks while I couldn't get anything done, spent almost all my time in bed. I've heard of cases less severe than that, but I also knew someone for whom the effects lasted for years, as long as I knew him he soldiered on but smiled rather less often that you'd expect.
  267. @al gore rhythms
    Last Summer I was working with a guy who house-shared with a gay man. He said that as soon as the lockdown was lifted he booked a flight to Barcelona and ended up catching Covid from a bloke he shagged there.

    It did bring home to me how the whole AIDS thing came about.

    You'd have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman, @Polemos

    Not often reported or acknowledged: SARS-COV-2 viral shedding occurs in the intestines and remains detectable longer in feces than through respiration/nasal swabs. You can test negative on a nose swab but poz for a rectal one.

    Articles that plopped out from the search using ‘SARS-COV-2 viral shedding feces’ but you can run your own with similar terms:

    “Prolonged viral shedding in feces of pediatric patients with coronavirus disease 2019”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32276848/

    “Shedding of SARS-CoV-2 in feces and urine and its potential role in person-to-person transmission and the environment-based spread of COVID-19”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32836117/

    “Infectious SARS-CoV-2 in Feces of Patient with Severe COVID-19”
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-0681_article

    Isolation of infectious SARS-CoV-2 in feces indicates the possibility of fecal–oral transmission or fecal–respiratory transmission through aerosolized feces. During the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome pandemic, 329 residents of a private housing estate in Hong Kong were infected; 42 died (10). Investigation of the building’s structure showed that faulty sewage pipelines led to aerosolization of contaminated feces, which was believed to be the source of infection.

    These articles suggest it’s difficult to transmit through the fecal route, but prolonged exposure to an infected, shedding anus, or to bathrooms where aerosolized fecal matter blooms from toilets and plumbing venting, probably increases the likelihood (all about the load).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Polemos

    Aerosolize Fecal Matter - Great name for a punk band.

    Dave Barry or P.J. O'Rourke, one of them.

  268. Oddly it’s also very Portuguese (they own the fishing fleets and a lot of the real estate). It aint as gay as it used to be in the 80s, or maybe society is more gay now so I notice less.

  269. @That Would Be Telling
    @jsm


    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don’t need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious.
     
    And those for whom it is serious, at normal ages for getting it, or later in their life when it's more likely to be serious? Not to mention the scarring that can happen, speaking from experience?

    They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it’s “inconvenient” for working parents....

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids’ chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents’ immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles.
     
    Well that doesn't happen much anymore, does it?

    And for those who get the childhood vaccine, the odds of getting shingles later are significantly reduced. Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Zatonia

    “Because, to repeat, a major objective is to never let this herpesvirus to get a foothold in their nervous system cells.” This is correct.

    Shingles is horrible.

  270. @Anon
    @Breadly Copter

    @@ “Now that we are six months out from first vaccinations, over the next 3-4 months we should start seeing first signs of ADE if that is going to be a problem with this new mRNA tech.”

    Check out the Daily Mail’s funny coverage of two sudden deaths: Joey Jordison, 46 and Bob Odenkirk, 58. No idea who they are, but they collapsed or dropped dead or something.

    It would be microthrombotic, or otherwise spike-related.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Odenkirk didn’t die, but his heart attack has more people suspicious of covid vaccine.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Ron Mexico

    Both my mother and mother-in-law were hospitalized in the same week with cardiac issues in early July. They are both 75-plus, but otherwise robust for their age with no previous cardiac issues, and both vaccinated. One had wildly fluctuating BP and the other wildly fluctuating heart rate. The cause? Fuck knows. May be just old age.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Ron Mexico

    Mr. Odenkirk hasn't made his medical record angiogram public, but let's just say I have seen the angiogram of "a friend" who had an "incident" one month prior.

    The main artery on the right side (RCA, whatever that is) was 100% blocked, resulting in the need for emergency catheterization, but once that artery was stented open, everything downstream looked fully open.

    A branch artery on the left side (LAD, which is also supposed to mean something) was 80% blocked. Two weeks later in an elective procedure it was stented open, and there was one side branch that could only be ballooned open and could not be stented because reasons. A similar good result seen in the "after" angiogram on the downstream arteries.

    The friend with normal cholesterol, blood pressure under medical treatment and no family history was told, "you have coronary artery disease, which didn't happen overnight, dude." This guy would feel better if this were a side effect of the Pfizer, a risk he chose to take on, rather than his fault for unhealthy eating, which he is not known for. But no one with medical credentials would ever admit to such a thing.

    Any ideas of where to get more information on the subject?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anon
    @Ron Mexico

    Well, well, well.. another one just collapsed, aged 60. He was just sitting there and.. pouf!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9850035/General-Hospital-star-Jay-Pickett-dies-60-soap-opera-actor-passes-away-Idaho.html

    That Daily Mail..

  271. @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    You, Steve, and Achmed are kind of starting to worry me, Reg.
     
    Think of it as a vaccine. We are cowpox, not smallpox.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t get that one, Reg, but for Redneck Farmer: I wrote back to Andrew just to explain transportation to/from there – had a friend who lives on one of the other Keys. However, that post had the line about hurricanes, simply because the US-1 is the only road out. You’ll be stuck – maybe that “hole” part was misinterpreted, something I didn’t think about till just now.

    I have been to Provincetown, but in that case, it was a beach outing. We got there the quick way, then got out – didn’t really see any specific gay stuff at the beach in the daytime. This was long ago, though.

    As for our host, his worries about the Flu Manchu, or really in this case just noticing of the usual press lying by omission, is why he posted this one. He’s not INTO it, haha! Not that there’s anything wrong with that… of course not.

  272. @Elli
    @Bert

    But wouldn't the virus have nearly as many opportunities to mutate and evolve, whether 4 billion people catch it in a short period of time, or extend the time?

    The longer time allows specific challenges that drive evolution, like vaccines and medications, but the viruses' random enjoyment of 4 billion naive immune systems, and billions of potential animal systems will give opportunities in plenty.

    Replies: @Bert, @Bert

    This Twitter thread provides a slightly different perspective on why the vaccine-only official policy was doomed to failure.

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
  273. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    Let’s do the math. (I said mAth.)
    80% of legal immigrants are men.
    90% of illegal immigrants are men.
    20 years X 2 Million = 35 million extra men in US (literally).
    Add on Jewish media touting miscegenation, and VIOLA, male cocksuckers.
    As easy as 1-2-3.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @profnasty

    Those fellows don't look like immigrants, except maybe a couple from Ukarus.

    However, you are doing a good job of living up to your name.

  274. @BLESTO-V
    @Ganderson

    I don't understand your problem. Mask mandates are just a variant of, and couldn't have developed without, the elimination of free speech, and deadheads mostly agree with the people who don't believe free speech has any importance any longer.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    You’re correct, of course, but I live on the island of ME- and I’m one of the few non crazy deadheads (I’m not like all the others….)

    Unless you believe that being a deadhead is ipso facto evidence of being crazy….

    I just wanna go to the show.

  275. @Ron Mexico
    @Anon

    Odenkirk didn't die, but his heart attack has more people suspicious of covid vaccine.

    Replies: @MGB, @Inquiring Mind, @Anon

    Both my mother and mother-in-law were hospitalized in the same week with cardiac issues in early July. They are both 75-plus, but otherwise robust for their age with no previous cardiac issues, and both vaccinated. One had wildly fluctuating BP and the other wildly fluctuating heart rate. The cause? Fuck knows. May be just old age.

  276. @Thoughts
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines

    The Left is so...organized...

    The Covid/Shingles vaccine push reminds me of 'If you buy this...you may be interested in buying these other things' on Amazon

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don’t want to get shingles at your age.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Steve Sailer

    They pumped me full of antivirals. No idea what these do. I was hoping to acquiring superpowers, but nothing.

    , @Kylie
    @Steve Sailer

    Both my unvaccinated parents got shingles when they were old. Both were in excruciating pain for weeks. An acquaintance got the vaccine, then got a very mild case of shingles. IIrc, she didn't even miss a day of work.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer


    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don’t want to get shingles at your age.
     
    You don't want to get shingles at any age. I was 42 when I got shingles on my face. It was (so far) the most miserable thing I've ever been through.

    Get the vaccine.

    Replies: @black sea

  277. It’s amusing that people get themselves in such a snit over gay men’s supposed extreme promiscuity. Men, basically, like to have sex all the time, but we heterosexuals are restricted by the moods of our female partners, so we don’t get to screw, generally, as often as we’d like to. Men doing one another can go at it constantly, and isn’t that another of life’s great ironies – you could have all the sex you want, but it isn’t the kind of sex you’d ever actually want.

    Most gays I’ve known are just regular people, going about their business without wanting to rape your children or get beat up propositioning you. Far too many are lost souls who have internalized the bitter, senseless hatred directed against them. Their communities suffer from massive rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, and suicide in consequence.

    Classical civilization didn’t even have a special term for gay, simply accepting that it is a normal part of the human condition that some people fall in love with members of their own gender. The toxic death cult of patriarchal monotheism, created by Judaism and passed whole into Christianity and Islam, changed all that. The challenge indeed when looking at how greatly these evil religions have damaged humanity is to keep disgust from turning into hatred.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    @Observator

    You contradict yourself. First, you say how gay men are free to have all the sex they want with whoever or whenever, then you say we should feel compassion for them because they can’t help who they fall in love with. So…all those guys at Provincetown are in love with each other?

  278. Dr. John Campbell reviews the leaked CDC powerpoint presentation from Scotland:

    Nothing unexpected, Delta will bite a bit more, vaccinated people can shed virus heavily, but on the flip side, the vaccine may keep you out of the hospital.

  279. @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don't want to get shingles at your age.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    They pumped me full of antivirals. No idea what these do. I was hoping to acquiring superpowers, but nothing.

  280. @AceDeuce
    @Dumbo

    Wow. Dick(less) Levine strikes again.

    Semi-off topic: Why don't debutantes like going to orgies?

    Answer: All the thank-you notes that they have to write afterwards...

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    How do you know he chopped it off? Levine is a mere shrink whose expertise was teenage eating disorders. My money is Big Dickie was a patient fiddler, and when caught used the “man trapped in a woman’s body” excuse. Aww…. Also my money is on everything is intact on this hateful man and he still fiddles with the young. Finally a reminder Dick pulled his 90 something mama out of a nursing home before polluting it with Covid patients. There will never be justice for the nursing home stealth murders of 2020.

  281. @Thoughts
    I don't really see what being gay has to do with it...unless gays make out with strangers at house parties on the regular (maybe they do?)

    2 weeks ago I was forced to go to a house party where two dozen plus people were crammed in. The music was so loud you had to lean in to talk to people...so basically head by head.

    People stayed until 5 am partying...drugs being done in the children's bedroom I heard

    I left at 10pm after my presence had been noted.

    I'm not sure how Gays Party Any Differently?

    I didn't catch anything, nor did I hear of anyone catching anything.

    Replies: @George Taylor

    I’m not sure how Gays Party Any Differently

    There’s no such thing as a hetrosexual bathhouse, enough said.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  282. @Thoughts
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines

    The Left is so...organized...

    The Covid/Shingles vaccine push reminds me of 'If you buy this...you may be interested in buying these other things' on Amazon

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling

    Your comments on Chickenpox and shingles coincide Perfectly with a Liberal Push on Instagram to get their followers Shingles Vaccines

    And your point, besides libeling me, is what?

    Echoing our host, Zatonia and many others, you don’t want to get shingles full stop. If you get chickenpox, or are unlucky with the childhood vaccine against it, the very complicated herpesvirus involved hides out in your nervous system cells. That should get the attention of anyone with half a mind, because dormant viruses acting again in that part of your body is, I’m tempted to say, by definition painful. For most people, very painful.

    As I previously said, resulted in “the only narcotic prescription I’ve filled as an adult,” I got a script for one self-clearing bout of kidney stones, but acetaminophen/paracetamol was enough. For shingles I was in something of a daze for solid three weeks while I couldn’t get anything done, spent almost all my time in bed. I’ve heard of cases less severe than that, but I also knew someone for whom the effects lasted for years, as long as I knew him he soldiered on but smiled rather less often that you’d expect.

  283. @SailerFan
    From the coronavirus ma sub reddy:

    I'm one of the P-Town Positives, and I feel like the CDC is missing a key detail

    NSFW.

    Like many gay men, I thought the vaccine made me invincible and I had a year's worth of pent-up sexual frustration, so I partied hard in P-Town during July 4 week.

    I tested positive a day after I left, with some cold symptoms that lasted a few days.

    People are understandably worried about the CDC data showing breakthrough cases in P-Town, but I feel like they've left out a rather large variable. I suspect it may have something to do with offending gay men, so allow me to tell you a little bit about my week.

    *\*Ahem\* Cue Jeff Foxworthy voice* ... **You might get a breakthrough case**:

    * If you're packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    Do most people live their regular daily lives this way? I certainly don't.

    Every single guy I talked to was fully vaccinated, so I don't even know how an unvaccinated person would get COVID because they didn't seem to be in P-Town that week.

    It was a rude awakening that the vaccine does *not* make me invincible -- but the shot still worked miracles. I barely got sick. All of my vaccinated friends who I lived with for the week tested negative. The cases in P-Town are already plummeting. Without the vaccine, I imagine cases would have been 5,000+ with dozens of hospitalizations and a handful of deaths -- with Delta spreading uncontrollably throughout the rest of MA. But instead, the state numbers seem to be plateauing.

    I'm embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news. I'm horribly sorry to anyone I've indirectly infected. I've learned an important lesson. But I'm not quite sure it's a representative case study of the average MA population.

    My point is... To everyone worried about the P-Town data: I wouldn't get too nervous going to the grocery store just yet -- unless you tend to have orgies at Market Basket.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Polemos, @donut

    The anecdotal story supports the claims about what the vaxxine is doing regarding vital titers: the vaxxine reduces symptoms by interfering enough with how the virus infects to slow down replication, giving variations of the virus more time to linger and shed and replicate without being eliminated from the body: a persistent, low-grade or “asymptomatic” infection, in other words is what the vaxxine produces, and why they won’t say it prevents infection or transmission. It creates spreaders. The virus, being insufficiently neutralized and then taken apart, remains active and switches over to its other means for entering cells, converting from Spike-ACE2 entry to using other Spike interactions, entry such as neuropilin-1 or macrophage Fc receptors:

    https://theconversation.com/a-second-pathway-into-cells-for-sars-cov-2-new-understanding-of-the-neuropilin-1-protein-could-speed-vaccine-research-148497

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33717193/

    So, the Big Sell with targeting Spike has been about blocking Spike from binding with ACE2, a deal made possible by thinking of SC2 as solely a respiratory virus attacking cells in noses and lungs and not also as a neurological virus attacking neurons or an immunological virus attacking phagocytic cells or a hematological virus attacking blood cells or . . . But blocking Spike from binding with ACE2 doesn’t block it from binding with neuropilin-1 or Fc (or other receptors, see last paragraph of the Conversation piece), and so Spike gains entry into different parts of the body, resulting in different disease expressions and selection pressures, i. e. variation and variants. And all of the varying expressions of COVID-19, the disease (disorder?).

    And it’s Spike that does this on its own, as will the Spike the vaxxines transfect your body to produce on its own. It is a Swiss Army Knife, a Leatherman, a cunning piece of machinery with multiple routes to infection, and they want you to make it inside you. And due to original antigenic sin, being exposed to the specific versions of Spike in the vaxxines rather than wild/natural exposure to diverse Spikes trains the immune system to respond incompletely to variant Spikes coming out from other selection pressures, so when you encounter new Spikes carried by wildtype (or seeded!) SC2s your immune response pushes them towards these other pathways. They bind some of the SC2’s Spikes but cannot disassemble the rest of SC2 structure; it then switches over to other pathways as it bounces around among your cells until Spike finds new homes. Your immune response fails to eliminate this new Spike, the new infection takes off, and you are on the spectrum to be a persistent spreader (think HIV, Herpes, mononucleosis, &c) or a cytokine storm disaster.

    About neuropilin-1 binding: the Conversation piece I linked above points out that when Spike binds with neurons it produces an analgesic effect. Notice the article then uses this to hint at further therapies for pain: using that binding domain means using something similar to Spike —using Spike-lite to alleviate pain! Making deals with Mephistopheles?

    Interesting section linking to a paper to check out:

    In another experiment, Ludovico Cantuti-Castelvetri of the Technical University Munich and colleagues attached silver particles to synthetic Spike proteins made in the lab and found that these particles were able to enter cells that carried neuropilin-1 on their surfaces. When they did the same experiments in live mice, they found that the silver particles entered cells lining the nose. The researchers were surprised to discover the Spike protein could also enter neurons and blood vessels within the brain.

    So, they could create Spike without a virus. They can assemble it into a variety of configurations to unload a marker into cells, in this case silver nanoparticles. Spike itself gains entry into the cortex: all they did was blow their concoction up the noses of knocked-out mice and six hours later they found the silver nanoparticles they were looking for in the mice brains. Six hours!

    So, what does this tell me? It tells me that you need the lipid nanoparticles (that will stick around and cause inflammation and immune disorders —hey, a helpful adjuvant, right?) to get the mRNA into your body to make Spikes, but you need the Spikes to get other things into brain, blood, lung, kidney, immune, &c cells. Here, it’s silver nanoparticles, other times it’s luciferase, but what else could you intentionally dock with Spike that you’d want in cells? What else could on its own dock with Spike and surreptitiously enter cells? Maybe not much at all? Maybe just enough?

  284. @Kratoklastes
    @AnotherDad


    But for most people it will be worse
     
    Source?

    In Pfizer's famous '95% effectiveness" trial (Trial #NCT04368728), 99.12% of the 18,325 unvaccinated participants exhibited no symptoms at all during the relevant stage of the trial. That is to say, 0.88% developed symptoms.

    By contrast, 99.96% of the 18,198 vaccinated participants didn’t develop any symptoms. That is to say, 0.04% developed symptoms.

    Do the math in relative-risk terms, and you get the impressive-sounding '95% efficacy' touted by the corupt parasites running this shitshow.

    So 'for most people' - upwards of 99% - being unvaccinated will have zero consequences.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I hope you are being dishonest because the alternative is even worse. A drug trial lasts for a few months. Due to ethical considerations, they can’t purposely infect the trial participants. So they just have to wait for some of the participants to be infected on their own. If they are “lucky” a lot of the participants get infected. If they are not so lucky, then not many. So they have to sign up lots and lots of people in order to get meaningful results because most people (in this case 99%) won’t get infected in such a short period. If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) but at some point it becomes unethical to keep running the trial because you are endangering the lives of the participants who got the placebo.

    The trial at this point is not very relevant because they have now given the vaccine to millions and millions of people and have much more data. This data shows that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Right now, around 97% of the people in ICUs with Covid are unvaccinated (despite over half the population being vaccinated) and the few vaccinated individuals almost all have serious comorbidities such as cancer or immunocompromise.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Jack D

    The drug trial here does not last a few months. The trials for these vaccines are ‘ongoing’ per the FDA fact sheets and the vaccine manufacturers are not following the millions of vaccinated, which you essentially admit are part of an experiment, like they observed trial participants. Tal Zaks of Moderna has acknowledged that trials were flawed because the vaccine had to be rolled out as quickly as possible.

    , @Greta Handel
    @Jack D

    I hope that Kratoklastes replies. In the meantime, this assumption of yours


    If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) […]
     
    seems questionable.

    Not everyone who foregoes the annual flu shot becomes infected. In fact, most of those “vaccine hesitants” don’t — and, within months, can’t — because the strain burns out.

    Why do you think this virus will be any different?

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Jack D

    Anyone who uses the words 'ethical considerations' in connection with major pharma companies, is too naïve to be allowed outside without adult supervision.

    Similarly: the notion that a trial must be cut short because to 'doom' the control leg was 'unethical', was invented by the people doing the original AZT trial in the 1980s. The result was the premature approval of AZT (and then, only for terminally-ill 'full-blown' AIDS patients) - with promises from the pharma companies that they would restrict AZT prescription advice to only that subgroup.

    Later the same year, one Anthony Fauci said in an NIH press release, that HIV-positive asymptomatic individuals with T-cell counts under 500, should start on AZT immediately. Turns out there was not, and has not been since, any published literature in support of that contention. His dire public prediction that 20% of heterosexuals would contract HIV/AIDS by 1990, turned out to be Chicken Little bullshit.

    The original AZT-HIV study was an absolutely perfect case of 'end the trial early when you get any positive result; tell the world it's unethical to do otherwise'.

    Turns out that the longer-term effect of AZT is precisely the opposite of what's intended: the shit was known to be highly toxic before it was ever used to attempt to treat HIV (it was a failed chemotherapy drug), and it's now known - with absolute certainty that it killed vastly more people that it saved.

    SPIN had a very important story on this, way back in 1989. Read that piece, and that ought to inform you about both Fauci (a charlatan) and the major pharm companies.

    .

    If your claim is that "If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone", why are they permitted to use the interim data to make any claims about efficacy in symptom reduction?

    Answer: this is the same schtick they always use, and people are stupid enough to fall for it.

    They used it for SSRIs - cutting studies off at 6 weeks, because that's when the short-term effects of SSRIs fall away to zero.

    They did it for AZT - ending the study early (having encouraged people to unblind themselves by making known key blood markers for being in the 'live' leg). They ended subsequent studies at 16 or 24 weeks... by 44 weeks all the early apparent effectiveness was reversed and after 3½ years all AZT recipients in one large study were dead (the last placebo recipient lived 8½ years)

    They did it for Vioxx, Celebrex, and Oxycontin. It's what they fucking do.

    It shows Mengele-level insouciance regarding consequences, to support the notion that we should be sticking needles in people's arms, when the needle contains a novel substance whose safety and efficacy will not be known (and then only to a 'BigPharma and the Replication Crisis' level of certainty) until May 2023.

    The May 2023 study end date for Pfizer's Phase III (NCT04368728) can be found under 'Study Design" sat the link. (Note that nobody with comorbidities in included in the study, either: look at 'Exclusion Criteria', and ask yourself why they're focused on people who have fuck-all chance of death from COVID).


    Big Pharma, the WHO, Fauci, Ferguson and co do not deserve the benefit of the doubt: quite the opposite.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel

  285. @gent
    @Dumbo

    Call him his actual title: the jew, the sex pervert, the entity, Dr. Richard Levine. He also recommended young people start OnlyFans instead of having sex.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Just as Muslims call Israel the Zionist Entity, perhaps trans people should be referred to not as trans-men or trans-women, but as trans-entities. They are not the actual thing they are calling themselves, after all. Pronouns would be “it” and “its.”

    Remember during the Democratic primaries when Julián Castro said his health care plan would protect abortions for transgender women? He was confused about which way the trans went, just as I used to be before I realized “trans” means fake. A “trans-woman” is a fake woman. It’s a useful memory aid.

  286. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    LOL. The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised. I've had COVID. I'm sorry you're medically fragile but we all have to die some time.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @HA

    “The US is nearly 400M people. COVID is not fatal or even dangerous to anybody but the old, fat and immuno-compromised.”

    Never said it wasn’t. However, they’re still just as dead as those you regard worth saving and to the extent I’m expected to pay for their lung transplants and ventilator time — and generally, it’s a safe bet that I am — I reserve the right to take an interest on that basis alone, though — and I know this will come as a shock to you — it is actually possible to care about the deaths of other people even when you consider yourself to be out of harm’s way.

    Oh, and as for 400M people, however deep the collective bench is, that “it’s nothing that should concern us because we have plenty more replacements” meme gets a little old after a while, right along with “If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population” meme, though I guess it depends on who is getting replaced.

  287. @Ganderson
    @Desiderius

    Fauci also told me I (100% hetero male) was going to contract AIDS by 1990. I don’t recall doing so, and I think I’d have remembered that. AZT killed a lot of people.

    The Coronadoom is the second political/medical panic of my lifetime; the first was AIDS. The response to AIDS was the first indication that gays not only were not discriminated against any more, they were sacred objects. Although our homosexual brethren are going to have to work harder to keep up with the trannies in the sacralization department.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The response to AIDS was the first indication that gays not only were not discriminated against any more, they were sacred objects.

    It was the AIDS epidemic that caused gays to be elevated to the status of sacred objects, just as the 9/11 attack resulted in the elevated status of Muslims on the totem pole of sacred victims. All explained by Lawrence Auster’s Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society:

    The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctess in covering up for that group.

    First Corollary: The more egregiously any such group behaves, the more evil we are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.

    The First Law and its corrolary are intrinsic to liberalism. Once the equality of all human groups is accepted as a given, any facts that make a minority or foreign group seem worse than the majority native group must be either covered up or blamed on the majority.

  288. @Jack D
    @Kratoklastes

    I hope you are being dishonest because the alternative is even worse. A drug trial lasts for a few months. Due to ethical considerations, they can't purposely infect the trial participants. So they just have to wait for some of the participants to be infected on their own. If they are "lucky" a lot of the participants get infected. If they are not so lucky, then not many. So they have to sign up lots and lots of people in order to get meaningful results because most people (in this case 99%) won't get infected in such a short period. If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) but at some point it becomes unethical to keep running the trial because you are endangering the lives of the participants who got the placebo.

    The trial at this point is not very relevant because they have now given the vaccine to millions and millions of people and have much more data. This data shows that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Right now, around 97% of the people in ICUs with Covid are unvaccinated (despite over half the population being vaccinated) and the few vaccinated individuals almost all have serious comorbidities such as cancer or immunocompromise.

    Replies: @MGB, @Greta Handel, @Kratoklastes

    The drug trial here does not last a few months. The trials for these vaccines are ‘ongoing’ per the FDA fact sheets and the vaccine manufacturers are not following the millions of vaccinated, which you essentially admit are part of an experiment, like they observed trial participants. Tal Zaks of Moderna has acknowledged that trials were flawed because the vaccine had to be rolled out as quickly as possible.

  289. @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'I find this comment thread so funny. Conservative men have really negative reactions to gays, but pretend that lesbians don’t exist.'

    I think there are some actual lesbians, but they're only a subset of the larger population that claims to be (with more or less sincerity) lesbian.

    I see three groups here (and I have had a fair amount of superficial contact with 'lesbians').

    1. Actual lesbians.

    2. Those who confuse the ordinary human need for physical contact and affection with sexual desire. Here, it's worth pointing out that in general, we've sexualized a lot human contact that didn't used to be sexual; in Lincoln's time, for example, men staying in hotels ordinarily shared beds. It didn't mean they were gay.

    3. Those who want to opt out of the heterosexual rat race. Why enter a contest you doubt you can win? Here, note that women used to be able to respectably remain chaste; it was positively praiseworthy. Now, there's going to be at least the unspoken question: why don't you have a boyfriend?

    So I'd suggest a paradigm where we've got three groups (which wouldn't be mutually exclusive). 1. Women who really are turned on by other women, not men. No foolin'.

    2. Women who want somebody in bed with them at night. There's actually nothing wrong with that.

    3. Women who, for some reason other than a simple lack of desire, don't want to pursue a sexual relationship with a man. Again, it's not actually mandatory. BE Julia Morgan. It's fine.

    But (2) and (3) really are distinct from (1).

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?'

    Why are you taking offense?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  290. HA says:
    @Dumbo
    @HA

    Get a grip on yourself. We're not "all gonna get the disease". Mankind survived much worse things. Some people get sick, some don't. The vaccine... we will see. I wouldn't have a problem if it was just voluntary, but the Powers that Be just love Divide x Conquer, and couldn't resist to create yet another division between "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated". And of course bureaucrats love authoritarian controls like the "green pass".

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

    “Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”.

    If the notion that we’re all going to catch COVID (mildly or otherwise) at some point triggers you so much, take it up with the person I was responding to, who actually made the claim. I didn’t, I just admitted that it may be true for all I know. I do think it’s probably more likely to be true now that the delta variant has come up than it was before but that’s a relative claim.

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way, and far less of a deal if one is fully vaccinated. No one at any point suggested that mankind’s survival is at stake, so maybe you should get a grip on yourself before lecturing others about things like that.

    As for TPTB or whatever you think they’re planning for you at the moment, it’s a general rule that vaccine free-riders are only tolerated up to a point. After that, they’re not. It’s as simple as that, so maybe you should deal with it and get a grip on yourself, if you’re such an expert on that (and because mankind has survived worse, or whatever).

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @HA


    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way
     
    The problem I see with this mindset is that sooner or later there's a fair chance you'll be in a situation where you can't continue to take your normal precautions, and of course as variants serially increase transmissibility the "strength" of your precautions may need to be increased, something we've seen in countries where their Zero Covid policies failed when Alpha or now Delta became a dominant circulating variant.

    So you might be in a car accident, have to evacuate your house and spend time close to others because of one of the many natural disasters most of the US is subject to, you have to let someone into your dwelling for some sort of maintenance task you're not qualified for, sooner or later you'll require a trip to a clinic or doctors office, or your precautions unless very serious like wearing a fit tested industrial N95 mask will eventually fail perhaps because those masks will become unobtainium again, etc. You do have to get them right every time, and for many that's a miserable way to live.

    Or you could luck out and already be mostly immune to the virus as per one paper is suspected for maybe 20% of the population due to immunity to a highly conserved set of genes in all coronaviruses, although the proteins they pump out are either going to be hidden under their envelop or not as prominent on the surface.

    We really don't yet have a good understanding of why it effectively passes over so many people including ones the Floomers insist "have one foot in the grave," and mains or kills fairly young people with little or nothing in the way of serious morbidities. In my local area hard hit by Delta, more than a few in the 30s to 60 years of age range. "Vaccine hesitancy" is very high in this Red State part of flyover country, but our elderly including myself have been good about getting vaccinated, and mostly with the more effective mRNA vaccines. And thus are not showing up in the hospital or morgue hardly as much as before the vaccines became available.

    Thus my policy to "embrace the healing power of 'and'," vaccine immunity plus "non-pharmaceutical interventions" (NPI) to avoid getting exposed.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Jack D
    @HA


    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way,
     
    There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it's not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious. And while there is some evidence that people who take precautions and nevertheless get infected get milder cases because of a lower viral load, there are plenty of cases where unvaccinated individuals who were masked nevertheless became quite sick and died.

    Your chances vary greatly according to age. Yes, if you are under 30 and have NO comorbidities it's probably not a big deal for you (though it may be for your granny when you bring it home to her) but there are a LOT of people in America, even people under 30, with comorbidities - obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. There are a LOT of fat asses out there.

    2nd, and this is even a bigger problem - the same people who refused to be vaccinated (which is the greatest precaution of all) are also the people who are the MOST unlikely to take other precautions as well - the Venn diagram of people who are anti-vax and anti-mask shows a big overlap. We see right here all sorts of people claiming that "I trust God to take care of me". I assume this means WRT Covid only and that they don't walk out into traffic without looking, but you never know. Apparently "trusting in God" in the case of Covid involves not only not being vaccinated but also not "taking precautions". Any attempt to minimize your exposure to the virus betrays a lack of trust in God, apparently.

    Replies: @HA, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

  291. @HA
    @Dumbo

    "Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”.

    If the notion that we're all going to catch COVID (mildly or otherwise) at some point triggers you so much, take it up with the person I was responding to, who actually made the claim. I didn't, I just admitted that it may be true for all I know. I do think it's probably more likely to be true now that the delta variant has come up than it was before but that's a relative claim.

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it's no big deal either way, and far less of a deal if one is fully vaccinated. No one at any point suggested that mankind's survival is at stake, so maybe you should get a grip on yourself before lecturing others about things like that.

    As for TPTB or whatever you think they're planning for you at the moment, it's a general rule that vaccine free-riders are only tolerated up to a point. After that, they're not. It's as simple as that, so maybe you should deal with it and get a grip on yourself, if you're such an expert on that (and because mankind has survived worse, or whatever).

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way

    The problem I see with this mindset is that sooner or later there’s a fair chance you’ll be in a situation where you can’t continue to take your normal precautions, and of course as variants serially increase transmissibility the “strength” of your precautions may need to be increased, something we’ve seen in countries where their Zero Covid policies failed when Alpha or now Delta became a dominant circulating variant.

    So you might be in a car accident, have to evacuate your house and spend time close to others because of one of the many natural disasters most of the US is subject to, you have to let someone into your dwelling for some sort of maintenance task you’re not qualified for, sooner or later you’ll require a trip to a clinic or doctors office, or your precautions unless very serious like wearing a fit tested industrial N95 mask will eventually fail perhaps because those masks will become unobtainium again, etc. You do have to get them right every time, and for many that’s a miserable way to live.

    Or you could luck out and already be mostly immune to the virus as per one paper is suspected for maybe 20% of the population due to immunity to a highly conserved set of genes in all coronaviruses, although the proteins they pump out are either going to be hidden under their envelop or not as prominent on the surface.

    We really don’t yet have a good understanding of why it effectively passes over so many people including ones the Floomers insist “have one foot in the grave,” and mains or kills fairly young people with little or nothing in the way of serious morbidities. In my local area hard hit by Delta, more than a few in the 30s to 60 years of age range. “Vaccine hesitancy” is very high in this Red State part of flyover country, but our elderly including myself have been good about getting vaccinated, and mostly with the more effective mRNA vaccines. And thus are not showing up in the hospital or morgue hardly as much as before the vaccines became available.

    Thus my policy to “embrace the healing power of ‘and’,” vaccine immunity plus “non-pharmaceutical interventions” (NPI) to avoid getting exposed.

    • Replies: @HA
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Thus my policy to “embrace the healing power of ‘and’,” vaccine immunity plus “non-pharmaceutical interventions” (NPI) to avoid getting exposed."

    I have no problem with that -- when I referred to those who take precautions, I wasn't excluding vaccines. If they want to go ahead and get a tan or some Vitamin D, while they're at it, or maybe even Ivermectin, that's fine too. They really don't seem to help all that much, based on what we've seen so far, but they're probably not going to hurt.

    And no precautions will render us bulletproof (or involve risks and side-effects of their own), but until I get something substantive and consistent, I'll continue to regard the news about the delta variant as more noise than genuine reason to worry. That doesn't mean I'll get careless with any of those precautions, but given the conflicting reports, I don't see much point in doing anything other than staying vigilant.

    And even if the delta variant booster were around and ready to go, while I wouldn't refuse it, I don't think it would change things all that much given that we're still unlikely to vaccinate children, or force the anti-vaxxers to get a jab against their will. That's not a surrender to pessimism, but rather a reflection of the fact that the vaccines that we have in place are already good at keeping people out of hospitals and morgues -- and even those who vaccinate that do wind up in the ER are far more likely to need nothing but a few canisters of oxygen.

    Not too shabby, all in all, in comparison with how things were looking a year ago.

  292. @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don't want to get shingles at your age.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    Both my unvaccinated parents got shingles when they were old. Both were in excruciating pain for weeks. An acquaintance got the vaccine, then got a very mild case of shingles. IIrc, she didn’t even miss a day of work.

  293. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Don't leave out Saugatuck, Michigan.



    https://www.travelingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/things-to-do-in-saugatuck-retro-boats-1024x990.jpg

    https://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Memorial-Day-Weekend-Saugatuck-Michigan-2.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Anon, @Stan d Mute, @AceDeuce, @profnasty, @mmack

    Shows you how oblivious I am. The Lovely ☺️ Mrs. and I have visited Saugatuck, MI and I completely missed that vibe. Enjoyed some beers at Saugatuck Brewing, went to The Wild Dog restaurant in Douglas, MI and never picked up on it.

    Does explain the rainbow flags 🏳️‍🌈 flying off of some of the stores though. I mentioned this to the Mrs. and she set me “straight” on Saugatuck you might say.

    I did figure out them roller derby girls were lesbians when we crashed their after game party though, so I ain’t COMPLETELY oblivious.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @mmack

    Don't fall in love with a Roller Derby Queen.

  294. @Jack D
    @Kratoklastes

    I hope you are being dishonest because the alternative is even worse. A drug trial lasts for a few months. Due to ethical considerations, they can't purposely infect the trial participants. So they just have to wait for some of the participants to be infected on their own. If they are "lucky" a lot of the participants get infected. If they are not so lucky, then not many. So they have to sign up lots and lots of people in order to get meaningful results because most people (in this case 99%) won't get infected in such a short period. If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) but at some point it becomes unethical to keep running the trial because you are endangering the lives of the participants who got the placebo.

    The trial at this point is not very relevant because they have now given the vaccine to millions and millions of people and have much more data. This data shows that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Right now, around 97% of the people in ICUs with Covid are unvaccinated (despite over half the population being vaccinated) and the few vaccinated individuals almost all have serious comorbidities such as cancer or immunocompromise.

    Replies: @MGB, @Greta Handel, @Kratoklastes

    I hope that Kratoklastes replies. In the meantime, this assumption of yours

    If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) […]

    seems questionable.

    Not everyone who foregoes the annual flu shot becomes infected. In fact, most of those “vaccine hesitants” don’t — and, within months, can’t — because the strain burns out.

    Why do you think this virus will be any different?

  295. @Ron Mexico
    @Anon

    Odenkirk didn't die, but his heart attack has more people suspicious of covid vaccine.

    Replies: @MGB, @Inquiring Mind, @Anon

    Mr. Odenkirk hasn’t made his medical record angiogram public, but let’s just say I have seen the angiogram of “a friend” who had an “incident” one month prior.

    The main artery on the right side (RCA, whatever that is) was 100% blocked, resulting in the need for emergency catheterization, but once that artery was stented open, everything downstream looked fully open.

    A branch artery on the left side (LAD, which is also supposed to mean something) was 80% blocked. Two weeks later in an elective procedure it was stented open, and there was one side branch that could only be ballooned open and could not be stented because reasons. A similar good result seen in the “after” angiogram on the downstream arteries.

    The friend with normal cholesterol, blood pressure under medical treatment and no family history was told, “you have coronary artery disease, which didn’t happen overnight, dude.” This guy would feel better if this were a side effect of the Pfizer, a risk he chose to take on, rather than his fault for unhealthy eating, which he is not known for. But no one with medical credentials would ever admit to such a thing.

    Any ideas of where to get more information on the subject?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Inquiring Mind

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE&feature=emb_title

    Perhaps this could be a start, though it refers to micro clots.

    Summary of the nine minute video clip below:

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    -Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level

    -Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible

    -Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening

    -Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

  296. @HA
    @Dumbo

    "Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”.

    If the notion that we're all going to catch COVID (mildly or otherwise) at some point triggers you so much, take it up with the person I was responding to, who actually made the claim. I didn't, I just admitted that it may be true for all I know. I do think it's probably more likely to be true now that the delta variant has come up than it was before but that's a relative claim.

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it's no big deal either way, and far less of a deal if one is fully vaccinated. No one at any point suggested that mankind's survival is at stake, so maybe you should get a grip on yourself before lecturing others about things like that.

    As for TPTB or whatever you think they're planning for you at the moment, it's a general rule that vaccine free-riders are only tolerated up to a point. After that, they're not. It's as simple as that, so maybe you should deal with it and get a grip on yourself, if you're such an expert on that (and because mankind has survived worse, or whatever).

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way,

    There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it’s not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious. And while there is some evidence that people who take precautions and nevertheless get infected get milder cases because of a lower viral load, there are plenty of cases where unvaccinated individuals who were masked nevertheless became quite sick and died.

    Your chances vary greatly according to age. Yes, if you are under 30 and have NO comorbidities it’s probably not a big deal for you (though it may be for your granny when you bring it home to her) but there are a LOT of people in America, even people under 30, with comorbidities – obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. There are a LOT of fat asses out there.

    2nd, and this is even a bigger problem – the same people who refused to be vaccinated (which is the greatest precaution of all) are also the people who are the MOST unlikely to take other precautions as well – the Venn diagram of people who are anti-vax and anti-mask shows a big overlap. We see right here all sorts of people claiming that “I trust God to take care of me”. I assume this means WRT Covid only and that they don’t walk out into traffic without looking, but you never know. Apparently “trusting in God” in the case of Covid involves not only not being vaccinated but also not “taking precautions”. Any attempt to minimize your exposure to the virus betrays a lack of trust in God, apparently.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @HA
    @Jack D

    "There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it’s not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious..."

    What I mean by taking precautions is to avoid being around a bunch of people affected with COVID. Medical personnel, for obvious reasons, forego those precautions, and I'm not surprised that they're getting sick. Same goes for the heavy-set hirsute gay men who congregate (to put it delicately) in mass numbers and close quarters in Provincetown after the 4th of July. I wouldn't advise that, either.

    So, over here in my layman's corner, that means the only thing that has changed with the arrival of the delta variant is that I had to give up the hope that the vaccines would prevent transmission. That's a bummer but it doesn't undo all the good news that the vaccines have brought us, and maybe we'll have reason to hope for something like that again--e.g. maybe for most variants there is at least a reduced likelihood of transmission among the vaccinated -- once the delta variant burns out, which it may well do:


    U.S. research firm Fundstrat highlighted that the U.K.’s delta surge peaked after around 45 days, similar to the 50-day mark seen in India, where the strain was first detected.... lags in the system could mean the situation continues to change. “But, it is hard to argue against the idea that the current Delta wave in the U.K. is turning out to be much, much milder than we anticipated,”...
     
    Then again, maybe the epsilon variant will be around by then to dash even those hopes. You win some, you lose some. That's just how it goes, and that's why I prefer a steady course of action, and if the rest of us -- not just me -- can resist the urge to go out and hug an Asian, attend an Eric Clapton concert, or pack into bathhouses with chubby gay truckers, there's still plenty to see on the bright side.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Jack D

    The unvaccinated are much younger and more likely to have natural immunity. While 80% of those over the age of 60 have been vaccinated less than 50% of those under the age of 40 have been vaccinated.

    The unvaxxed are mostly immune to COVID, because they are younger and logically have less fear of the virus. They are much more likely to have natural immunity because they have not been hiding in their homes for the past 16 months.

    The CDC estimated that 41% of Americans under the age of 5o already had COVID by March of this year. Must be closer to 50% today due to the viral Delta variant.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

  297. @Alden
    @Gamecock

    The health authorities don’t know themselves what “fully immunized” means. They’re just making it up as they go along. If they are fully immunized, why did they get the disease?

    Lies lies and more lies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The health authorities don’t know themselves what “fully immunized” means. They’re just making it up as they go along.”

    Of course they know. You simply distrust experts, so anything they say you automatically discount. It is other than surprising given you are a slave to confirmation bias.

    “If they are fully immunized, why did they get the disease?”

    “Breakthrough infections are to be expected, even when you have highly effective vaccines,” said Roy M. Gulick, chief of infectious disease at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “If you look at hospitalizations, over 97 percent of people entering are unvaccinated people,” Gulick said.

    “The vaccines are extraordinarily powerful and potent in working to prevent disease,” said Robert B. Darnell, a physician and biochemist at Rockefeller University in New York.

    A person is considered fully vaccinated greater than or equal to 2 weeks after completion of a two-dose mRNA series or single dose of a vaccine.

    A misconception exists that vaccines transform us into absolutely immune beings, able to instantaneously smite any virus we encounter. Sten H. Vermund, an infectious-disease epidemiologist and dean of the Yale School of Public Health, likened this false idea to a bug zapper: “As soon as it touches my mucosa or skin or genital tract — boom, zap, it’s gone!” Not quite. Instead, Vermund said, vaccines are more similar to poisoned traps, into which a pest might fall, wriggle a bit, then perish from insecticide. The coronavirus vaccines almost always stop you from getting very sick, but they cannot always stop infection.

    The more you know…

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782163

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Corvinus

    I have my beliefs and you have yours. My belief is that covid hoax is just a continuation of eggs cause heart attacks, oatmeal prevents heart attacks brought to us by General Mills Quaker Oats bribery of medical researchers.

    Then unto The Coming Ice Age. I distinctly remember around 1979-1982 the quality magazines like Atlantic New Republic Time Newsweek cover stories of the Ice Age is Coming!!! There were pictures of glaciers looming over great cities like NYC. One British magazine even claimed that the part of the channel facing Belgium would dry up because its very shallow and all the water would be sucked up by glacial ice.

    Next up, the anorexia epidemic among girls that didn’t exist. In fact, kids and teens were already getting chubbier at the time.

    Soon heterosexual AIDS crowded out anorexia. Heterosexual sex, not anal sex caused AIDS. Well, I took anatomy and physiology in college. Basic anatomy teaches why vaginas are designed for sex and childbirth and rectums are very fragile.

    Vaginas have 28 layers. They’re stretchy and constructed like a fan belt. The layers alternate vertical, horizontal diagonal. Plus there is antiseptic mucus.

    Intestines and rectums have just a one cell thick layer with receptor cells on the other side that grab anything coming through from nutrition and medication to disease and AIDS virus. And no antiseptic mucus.

    About the time MSM readers and viewers noticed that heterosexuals didn’t get AIDS, global warming became the latest lie told to the gullible by what ever sinister organization decides what lies shall be told to the masses.

    The media and government’s been lying to me since I was a teen. Why should I believe their lies about covid?????? Why should I believe internet articles about covid any more than I believed the 1979-81 Time and Newsweek articles about The Coming Ice Age and the mid 1980s articles about heterosexual AIDS

    Or the endless articles claiming George Floyd died because Officer Chauvin knelt on his trachea instead of the truth.

    Floyd died of a self ingested fentanyl overdose while resisting arrest for passing a counterfeit bill In a town where 900,000 Chinese manufactured counterfeit one dollar bills had recently been discovered at the international airport.

    Covid is no different from the media myth of heterosexual AIDS. Or any other media myth like climate change global warming or The Coming Ice Age of 40 years ago.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  298. @Dumbo
    @HA

    Get a grip on yourself. We're not "all gonna get the disease". Mankind survived much worse things. Some people get sick, some don't. The vaccine... we will see. I wouldn't have a problem if it was just voluntary, but the Powers that Be just love Divide x Conquer, and couldn't resist to create yet another division between "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated". And of course bureaucrats love authoritarian controls like the "green pass".

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

    Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”. Mankind survived much worse things.

    Look, this is not the Black Death or Ebola. The case fatality rate is around 1% and mainly concentrated among the elderly (avg. age of fatalities is around 80). However, this is the worst new virus to come along since the Spanish Flu of 1918. 600K excess deaths in the US and over 4 million dead worldwide ain’t chopped liver (and we’re not even done with this virus yet). US life expectancy fell by 1.5 years in 2020, which was the biggest decline since WWII. This is just too big a deal to ignore or “let nature take its course”. Without the vaccine, Covid was not done burning thru our population and there would have been AT LEAST another 600k excess deaths, if not more. Given current vaccination rates, there still may be.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jack D

    Doing something is not automatically better than doing nothing.

    Replies: @Jack D

  299. Probably not many elderly queers went to Provincetown , even fewer of them attended the orgies and packed clubs. Even Andrew Sullivan stated that he was too old and did not attend the packed club scene while he was at Provincetown.

    Thus the low death rate is expected. There were about 900 confirmed COVID cases traced to the Gay party scene in Provincetown, few were hospitalized because the median age was 35. Even before the vaccines the odds of dying from COVID for those under the age of 40 was 1 in 7,000.

    Since the vaccines fail to stop the spread of COVID there is little reason for those under the age of 49 to get vaccinated. It is better fir the nation fir these people to acquire natural immunity. Thankfully 45% of adults under the age of 50 already have natural immunity.

  300. @SailerFan
    From the coronavirus ma sub reddy:

    I'm one of the P-Town Positives, and I feel like the CDC is missing a key detail

    NSFW.

    Like many gay men, I thought the vaccine made me invincible and I had a year's worth of pent-up sexual frustration, so I partied hard in P-Town during July 4 week.

    I tested positive a day after I left, with some cold symptoms that lasted a few days.

    People are understandably worried about the CDC data showing breakthrough cases in P-Town, but I feel like they've left out a rather large variable. I suspect it may have something to do with offending gay men, so allow me to tell you a little bit about my week.

    *\*Ahem\* Cue Jeff Foxworthy voice* ... **You might get a breakthrough case**:

    * If you're packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    Do most people live their regular daily lives this way? I certainly don't.

    Every single guy I talked to was fully vaccinated, so I don't even know how an unvaccinated person would get COVID because they didn't seem to be in P-Town that week.

    It was a rude awakening that the vaccine does *not* make me invincible -- but the shot still worked miracles. I barely got sick. All of my vaccinated friends who I lived with for the week tested negative. The cases in P-Town are already plummeting. Without the vaccine, I imagine cases would have been 5,000+ with dozens of hospitalizations and a handful of deaths -- with Delta spreading uncontrollably throughout the rest of MA. But instead, the state numbers seem to be plateauing.

    I'm embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news. I'm horribly sorry to anyone I've indirectly infected. I've learned an important lesson. But I'm not quite sure it's a representative case study of the average MA population.

    My point is... To everyone worried about the P-Town data: I wouldn't get too nervous going to the grocery store just yet -- unless you tend to have orgies at Market Basket.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Polemos, @donut

    This POS gives his itinerary for the week as :

    * If you’re packed into the A-House shoulder-to-shoulder with 300 other people
    * If the 300 people around you are dancing hard and panting all over you
    * If you make out with 2 (or 5) of those people in the club per night
    * If you go home with one (or 5) of those men per night and have lots of hot bear sex
    * If you wake up in the morning and have some more sex (FYI: gay sex involves kissing)
    * If you go to a crowded brunch and kick your immune system in the ass with 4 mimosas
    * If you repeat the above six activities with complete strangers every day for a week

    but “I’m embarrassed for being part of the statistic that put MA on the national news.”

    Fucking Hell !

  301. @Achmed E. Newman
    @al gore rhythms


    You’d have thought that it would be harder to catch Covid from someone who has their back to you, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.
     
    Mr. Rhythms, let me make it clear that the Flu Manchu is an Equal Opportunity Infector. It will not discriminate against "different" orifices.

    Do you remember the Chinese were swabbing people in the butt for COVID? (I really think it was a way to keep troublemakers from coming back, and in the meantime inserting a camera, flash drive, and internet router.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @JimDandy

    Actually, it encouraged the real troublemakers to come back.

  302. HA says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @HA


    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way
     
    The problem I see with this mindset is that sooner or later there's a fair chance you'll be in a situation where you can't continue to take your normal precautions, and of course as variants serially increase transmissibility the "strength" of your precautions may need to be increased, something we've seen in countries where their Zero Covid policies failed when Alpha or now Delta became a dominant circulating variant.

    So you might be in a car accident, have to evacuate your house and spend time close to others because of one of the many natural disasters most of the US is subject to, you have to let someone into your dwelling for some sort of maintenance task you're not qualified for, sooner or later you'll require a trip to a clinic or doctors office, or your precautions unless very serious like wearing a fit tested industrial N95 mask will eventually fail perhaps because those masks will become unobtainium again, etc. You do have to get them right every time, and for many that's a miserable way to live.

    Or you could luck out and already be mostly immune to the virus as per one paper is suspected for maybe 20% of the population due to immunity to a highly conserved set of genes in all coronaviruses, although the proteins they pump out are either going to be hidden under their envelop or not as prominent on the surface.

    We really don't yet have a good understanding of why it effectively passes over so many people including ones the Floomers insist "have one foot in the grave," and mains or kills fairly young people with little or nothing in the way of serious morbidities. In my local area hard hit by Delta, more than a few in the 30s to 60 years of age range. "Vaccine hesitancy" is very high in this Red State part of flyover country, but our elderly including myself have been good about getting vaccinated, and mostly with the more effective mRNA vaccines. And thus are not showing up in the hospital or morgue hardly as much as before the vaccines became available.

    Thus my policy to "embrace the healing power of 'and'," vaccine immunity plus "non-pharmaceutical interventions" (NPI) to avoid getting exposed.

    Replies: @HA

    “Thus my policy to “embrace the healing power of ‘and’,” vaccine immunity plus “non-pharmaceutical interventions” (NPI) to avoid getting exposed.”

    I have no problem with that — when I referred to those who take precautions, I wasn’t excluding vaccines. If they want to go ahead and get a tan or some Vitamin D, while they’re at it, or maybe even Ivermectin, that’s fine too. They really don’t seem to help all that much, based on what we’ve seen so far, but they’re probably not going to hurt.

    And no precautions will render us bulletproof (or involve risks and side-effects of their own), but until I get something substantive and consistent, I’ll continue to regard the news about the delta variant as more noise than genuine reason to worry. That doesn’t mean I’ll get careless with any of those precautions, but given the conflicting reports, I don’t see much point in doing anything other than staying vigilant.

    And even if the delta variant booster were around and ready to go, while I wouldn’t refuse it, I don’t think it would change things all that much given that we’re still unlikely to vaccinate children, or force the anti-vaxxers to get a jab against their will. That’s not a surrender to pessimism, but rather a reflection of the fact that the vaccines that we have in place are already good at keeping people out of hospitals and morgues — and even those who vaccinate that do wind up in the ER are far more likely to need nothing but a few canisters of oxygen.

    Not too shabby, all in all, in comparison with how things were looking a year ago.

  303. @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don't want to get shingles at your age.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kylie, @Jim Don Bob

    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don’t want to get shingles at your age.

    You don’t want to get shingles at any age. I was 42 when I got shingles on my face. It was (so far) the most miserable thing I’ve ever been through.

    Get the vaccine.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Jim Don Bob

    I was 42 when I got shingles on my "waistline" and below. The only thing that provided any relief was to get in the shower and cover the area in very hot water. The pain would dissipate so long as you continued this, but of course return almost immediately once the water was off.

    Not a nice way to live, get the vaccination.

  304. HA says:
    @Jack D
    @HA


    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way,
     
    There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it's not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious. And while there is some evidence that people who take precautions and nevertheless get infected get milder cases because of a lower viral load, there are plenty of cases where unvaccinated individuals who were masked nevertheless became quite sick and died.

    Your chances vary greatly according to age. Yes, if you are under 30 and have NO comorbidities it's probably not a big deal for you (though it may be for your granny when you bring it home to her) but there are a LOT of people in America, even people under 30, with comorbidities - obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. There are a LOT of fat asses out there.

    2nd, and this is even a bigger problem - the same people who refused to be vaccinated (which is the greatest precaution of all) are also the people who are the MOST unlikely to take other precautions as well - the Venn diagram of people who are anti-vax and anti-mask shows a big overlap. We see right here all sorts of people claiming that "I trust God to take care of me". I assume this means WRT Covid only and that they don't walk out into traffic without looking, but you never know. Apparently "trusting in God" in the case of Covid involves not only not being vaccinated but also not "taking precautions". Any attempt to minimize your exposure to the virus betrays a lack of trust in God, apparently.

    Replies: @HA, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    “There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it’s not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious…”

    What I mean by taking precautions is to avoid being around a bunch of people affected with COVID. Medical personnel, for obvious reasons, forego those precautions, and I’m not surprised that they’re getting sick. Same goes for the heavy-set hirsute gay men who congregate (to put it delicately) in mass numbers and close quarters in Provincetown after the 4th of July. I wouldn’t advise that, either.

    So, over here in my layman’s corner, that means the only thing that has changed with the arrival of the delta variant is that I had to give up the hope that the vaccines would prevent transmission. That’s a bummer but it doesn’t undo all the good news that the vaccines have brought us, and maybe we’ll have reason to hope for something like that again–e.g. maybe for most variants there is at least a reduced likelihood of transmission among the vaccinated — once the delta variant burns out, which it may well do:

    U.S. research firm Fundstrat highlighted that the U.K.’s delta surge peaked after around 45 days, similar to the 50-day mark seen in India, where the strain was first detected…. lags in the system could mean the situation continues to change. “But, it is hard to argue against the idea that the current Delta wave in the U.K. is turning out to be much, much milder than we anticipated,”…

    Then again, maybe the epsilon variant will be around by then to dash even those hopes. You win some, you lose some. That’s just how it goes, and that’s why I prefer a steady course of action, and if the rest of us — not just me — can resist the urge to go out and hug an Asian, attend an Eric Clapton concert, or pack into bathhouses with chubby gay truckers, there’s still plenty to see on the bright side.

    • Agree: Mr Mox
    • Replies: @HA
    @HA

    "the only thing that has changed with the arrival of the delta variant is that I had to give up the hope that the vaccines would prevent transmission. That’s a bummer but...maybe we’ll have reason to hope for something like that again–e.g. maybe for most variants there is at least a reduced likelihood of transmission among the vaccinated..."

    Prediction/hope is looking good:


    The study’s analyses of PCR test results also suggest that fully vaccinated people may be less likely than unvaccinated people to pass the virus on to others, due to having a smaller viral load on average and therefore likely shedding less virus.
     
    Admittedly, it's not a slam-dunk, and needs more solid confirmation, but it's good enough for a start.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  305. @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    Get a grip on yourself. We’re not “all gonna get the disease”. Mankind survived much worse things.
     
    Look, this is not the Black Death or Ebola. The case fatality rate is around 1% and mainly concentrated among the elderly (avg. age of fatalities is around 80). However, this is the worst new virus to come along since the Spanish Flu of 1918. 600K excess deaths in the US and over 4 million dead worldwide ain't chopped liver (and we're not even done with this virus yet). US life expectancy fell by 1.5 years in 2020, which was the biggest decline since WWII. This is just too big a deal to ignore or "let nature take its course". Without the vaccine, Covid was not done burning thru our population and there would have been AT LEAST another 600k excess deaths, if not more. Given current vaccination rates, there still may be.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Doing something is not automatically better than doing nothing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    Generally speaking that's true. For example, if the "something" consists of giving people deworming medicine after they have already contracted Covid, it's not. But when the "something" consists of reasonable, medically proven measures such as vaccination it isn't. If the something is effective, then "doing something" can save millions of lives vs. doing nothing.

  306. @Mike_from_SGV
    I had the exact same thought when I read the NYT account of the outbreak...the identity of the Ptown people was oddly absent. Now, if the outbreak had been in connection with a Baptist church convention or a big gun show or motorcycle rally, full details would have been provided.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Yes–the bias is as much in what is NOT reported, as in what is reported. If not more.

  307. @LondonBob
    When I studied in Boston Provincetown seemed like a great place to take a day trip to by boat, I was prepared to put up with it being ten or twenty percent gay, but when I was told it was over ninety I decided to give it a pass.

    The vaccines are pretty useless against the Delta variant, so I don't think this a factor anyway. Besides the Delta variant is mild anyway.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1421143594870714370?s=20

    Replies: @Travis, @Jack D

    While it does appear that the Delta variant is more mild it is hard to know for sure, since most of the cases are under the age of 50 and would face little risk of death from any known variants.

    The latest hospitalization data from the CDC indicates that 45% of those hospitalized over the past two weeks are under the age of 50 and 55% are over the age of 49. Back in January 79% of those hospitalized were over the age of 49.

    So this new variant is will appear less deadly, since fewer elderly are getting sick (probably since more of them are vaccinated). Also most of the susceptible elderly already died from COVID last year.

    In July 2020 over 10,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 75% were over 50
    in July 2021 just under 2,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 55% were over 50

    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Thanks.

    You'd think that by now somebody would have set up systems for collecting all the relevant info so we could use multiple regression to answer obvious questions like is, all else being equal, the latest variant more or less likely to put you in the hospital.

    It's understandable than in 2020 it might take weeks or months to do a good multiple regression study but by 2021 The Experts ought to have plug-and-play analyses systems ready to go all the time. But instead they seem to keep reinventing the wheel each time.

    Replies: @anon

    , @LondonBob
    @Travis

    Viruses mutate to milder forms, the big delta wave did not generate nearly as many deaths in England, that we do know. As with much to do with covid the data is not clear as you say, indeed there is a great deal of obfuscation, we do know a majority of deaths were in those vaccinated but then is this because the elderly are more likely to be vaccinated, or are the low hanging fruit picked already, how many are benefiting from acquired immunity from infection rather than from the vaccine, how accurate are the PCR tests etc. We know hospitalised figures have included those who catch covid whilst in hospital for other reasons, Public Health England divide the data in to over and under fifties, again for no clear reason. We also know that the health authorities can't be trusted as they are seeking to vaccinate children, even though they admit they have no issues from covid and the vaccines do not stop transmission. Clear data is not a priority, why?

  308. @Polemos
    @al gore rhythms

    Not often reported or acknowledged: SARS-COV-2 viral shedding occurs in the intestines and remains detectable longer in feces than through respiration/nasal swabs. You can test negative on a nose swab but poz for a rectal one.

    Articles that plopped out from the search using 'SARS-COV-2 viral shedding feces' but you can run your own with similar terms:

    "Prolonged viral shedding in feces of pediatric patients with coronavirus disease 2019"
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32276848/

    "Shedding of SARS-CoV-2 in feces and urine and its potential role in person-to-person transmission and the environment-based spread of COVID-19"
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32836117/

    "Infectious SARS-CoV-2 in Feces of Patient with Severe COVID-19"
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-0681_article


    Isolation of infectious SARS-CoV-2 in feces indicates the possibility of fecal–oral transmission or fecal–respiratory transmission through aerosolized feces. During the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome pandemic, 329 residents of a private housing estate in Hong Kong were infected; 42 died (10). Investigation of the building’s structure showed that faulty sewage pipelines led to aerosolization of contaminated feces, which was believed to be the source of infection.
     
    These articles suggest it's difficult to transmit through the fecal route, but prolonged exposure to an infected, shedding anus, or to bathrooms where aerosolized fecal matter blooms from toilets and plumbing venting, probably increases the likelihood (all about the load).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Aerosolize Fecal Matter – Great name for a punk band.

    Dave Barry or P.J. O’Rourke, one of them.

  309. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    I went camping there in 1984. It didn't seem very gay then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Random Anonymous, @Hibernian

    Camping, eh? With the Boy Scouts? (Just kidding.)

  310. @Triteleia Laxa
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    https://images.app.goo.gl/5JJP4iBi53pEW8887

    Replies: @Random Anonymous

    Definitely an exception, but one that proves the rule.

  311. Why is it called the delta variant and not the Indian variant?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    Why is it called the delta variant and not the Indian variant?
     
    Because India gets bent out of shape when things like this get the place naming that's been the norm for more than a century. In this case it wasn't their fault, the source was almost certainly an entirely random person who didn't throw it off quickly, thus creating an ecological battle inside their body, and like the Kent/British B.1.1.7 variant Alpha was discovered months before their nations started vaccine campaigns. But things like New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase 1, a penicillin etc. destroying bacterial enzyme that as I recall reading at the time it was found was the first to incorporate metal ions, a couple of zinc atoms, almost certainly was. Quoting Wikipedia which has it right as far as I independently know:

    The Indian health ministry has disputed the conclusion of the August 2010 Lancet study that the gene originated in India, describing this conclusion as "unfair" and stating that Indian hospitals are perfectly safe for treatment. Indian politicians have described linking this new drug resistance gene to India as "malicious propaganda" and blamed multinational corporations for what they describe as selective malignancy. A Bharatiya Janata Party politician has instead argued that the journal article is bogus and represented an attempt to scare medical tourists away from India. The Indian Ministry of Health released a statement "strongly refut[ing]" naming the enzyme "New Delhi". A co-author of the 2010 Lancet study, who is based in the University of Madras, has stated that he does not agree with the part of the article that advises people to avoid elective surgeries in India.

    In contrast, an editorial in the March 2010 issue of the Journal of Association of Physicians of India blamed the emergence of this gene on the widespread misuse of antibiotics in the Indian healthcare system....
     
    TL;DR: anyone thinking India was going to become a Mecca of medical tourism was smoking powerful stuff, and India is none too pleased about the end of that conceit. Like the PRC, best to placate them.

    On the other hand any one country might have more than one variant of concern arise from it, there are 1.4 billion human Petri dishes in India, and "lineage B.1.617.2" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it?
  312. @Observator
    It’s amusing that people get themselves in such a snit over gay men’s supposed extreme promiscuity. Men, basically, like to have sex all the time, but we heterosexuals are restricted by the moods of our female partners, so we don’t get to screw, generally, as often as we’d like to. Men doing one another can go at it constantly, and isn’t that another of life’s great ironies – you could have all the sex you want, but it isn’t the kind of sex you’d ever actually want.

    Most gays I’ve known are just regular people, going about their business without wanting to rape your children or get beat up propositioning you. Far too many are lost souls who have internalized the bitter, senseless hatred directed against them. Their communities suffer from massive rates of alcoholism, drug addiction, and suicide in consequence.

    Classical civilization didn’t even have a special term for gay, simply accepting that it is a normal part of the human condition that some people fall in love with members of their own gender. The toxic death cult of patriarchal monotheism, created by Judaism and passed whole into Christianity and Islam, changed all that. The challenge indeed when looking at how greatly these evil religions have damaged humanity is to keep disgust from turning into hatred.

    Replies: @TTSSYF

    You contradict yourself. First, you say how gay men are free to have all the sex they want with whoever or whenever, then you say we should feel compassion for them because they can’t help who they fall in love with. So…all those guys at Provincetown are in love with each other?

  313. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Colin Wright

    Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?’

    Why are you taking offense?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Colin Wright

    I'm laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  314. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/WebMD/status/1421312166108581888?s=20

    Lol sold your souls for a mess of Wokelism.

    Heckuva job, PMC!

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright

    ‘Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates’

    Shall we move on to fighting placism and datism? Namism? Why should the innocent child be trapped with a name that was assigned to her without her consent? I assume we can dispense with weight without discussion.

  315. @El Dato
    All quiet on the Swedish Front, for now:

    Mask-free Sweden nears zero daily Covid deaths as chief epidemiologist warns against ‘far-reaching conclusions’ about Delta strain

    As the CDC urges Americans to mask up against the Delta variant, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist has argued that more data is needed about the strain’s infectiousness. His mask-free nation is hovering at zero Covid deaths per day.

    Anders Tegnell said on Friday that there was “a lot we do not know” about Delta and cautioned against drawing “far-reaching conclusions” about the coronavirus strain. He noted that the variant had been circulating in Sweden “for quite some time” with little effect, particularly in high-risk settings such as nursing homes.

    In separate remarks, he pointed to the fact that one-third of the country’s municipalities reported zero new Covid cases over the past week. At the same time, there was an uptick in cases among young people in Stockholm and other large cities.
     
    Also OT but ... Who you gonna call? White Russians!

    Biden’s DOJ sues Texas over order restricting migrant transportation as Gov. Abbott claims ‘constitutional crisis’

    Attorney General Merrick Garland has sued Texas, seeking to block and annul an executive order by Republican Governor Greg Abbott that outlawed the transportation of migrants who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

    It is not really clear that the Texas law is aimed at Covid-19 safety.

    Does Texas have mandatory quarantine for people entering from Mexico or from other states of the Union?

    It is certainly true that if the United States really wanted to prevent and discourage illegal immigrants, it would interdict vans with blacked out windows, which you can frequently see in Florida on the interstate highways, and which are presumably transporting illegal migrant workers to the citrus groves.

    But then the United States would also demand proper verification of social security numbers for all hiring if it was at all serious about dealing with illegal immigration and the people who employed illegal immigrants.

    Never mind the damn wall along the border with Mexico, there were all kinds of things that Trump could have done if he was an effective leader and legislator, but he was all talk and no action, wasn’t he?

    • Replies: @gda53
    @Jonathan Mason

    Sure he could have Jonathan, if it makes you feel better.

    The cartoon evil fiend Trump! in your mind was the cause of everything bad.

    Its OK now.

  316. @Jack D
    @Kratoklastes

    I hope you are being dishonest because the alternative is even worse. A drug trial lasts for a few months. Due to ethical considerations, they can't purposely infect the trial participants. So they just have to wait for some of the participants to be infected on their own. If they are "lucky" a lot of the participants get infected. If they are not so lucky, then not many. So they have to sign up lots and lots of people in order to get meaningful results because most people (in this case 99%) won't get infected in such a short period. If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) but at some point it becomes unethical to keep running the trial because you are endangering the lives of the participants who got the placebo.

    The trial at this point is not very relevant because they have now given the vaccine to millions and millions of people and have much more data. This data shows that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Right now, around 97% of the people in ICUs with Covid are unvaccinated (despite over half the population being vaccinated) and the few vaccinated individuals almost all have serious comorbidities such as cancer or immunocompromise.

    Replies: @MGB, @Greta Handel, @Kratoklastes

    Anyone who uses the words ‘ethical considerations’ in connection with major pharma companies, is too naïve to be allowed outside without adult supervision.

    Similarly: the notion that a trial must be cut short because to ‘doom’ the control leg was ‘unethical’, was invented by the people doing the original AZT trial in the 1980s. The result was the premature approval of AZT (and then, only for terminally-ill ‘full-blown’ AIDS patients) – with promises from the pharma companies that they would restrict AZT prescription advice to only that subgroup.

    Later the same year, one Anthony Fauci said in an NIH press release, that HIV-positive asymptomatic individuals with T-cell counts under 500, should start on AZT immediately. Turns out there was not, and has not been since, any published literature in support of that contention. His dire public prediction that 20% of heterosexuals would contract HIV/AIDS by 1990, turned out to be Chicken Little bullshit.

    The original AZT-HIV study was an absolutely perfect case of ‘end the trial early when you get any positive result; tell the world it’s unethical to do otherwise’.

    Turns out that the longer-term effect of AZT is precisely the opposite of what’s intended: the shit was known to be highly toxic before it was ever used to attempt to treat HIV (it was a failed chemotherapy drug), and it’s now known – with absolute certainty that it killed vastly more people that it saved.

    SPIN had a very important story on this, way back in 1989. Read that piece, and that ought to inform you about both Fauci (a charlatan) and the major pharm companies.

    .

    If your claim is that “If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone“, why are they permitted to use the interim data to make any claims about efficacy in symptom reduction?

    Answer: this is the same schtick they always use, and people are stupid enough to fall for it.

    They used it for SSRIs – cutting studies off at 6 weeks, because that’s when the short-term effects of SSRIs fall away to zero.

    They did it for AZT – ending the study early (having encouraged people to unblind themselves by making known key blood markers for being in the ‘live’ leg). They ended subsequent studies at 16 or 24 weeks… by 44 weeks all the early apparent effectiveness was reversed and after 3½ years all AZT recipients in one large study were dead (the last placebo recipient lived 8½ years)

    They did it for Vioxx, Celebrex, and Oxycontin. It’s what they fucking do.

    It shows Mengele-level insouciance regarding consequences, to support the notion that we should be sticking needles in people’s arms, when the needle contains a novel substance whose safety and efficacy will not be known (and then only to a ‘BigPharma and the Replication Crisis‘ level of certainty) until May 2023.

    The May 2023 study end date for Pfizer’s Phase III (NCT04368728) can be found under ‘Study Design” sat the link. (Note that nobody with comorbidities in included in the study, either: look at ‘Exclusion Criteria’, and ask yourself why they’re focused on people who have fuck-all chance of death from COVID).

    Big Pharma, the WHO, Fauci, Ferguson and co do not deserve the benefit of the doubt: quite the opposite.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Kratoklastes

    The more I complain about Mr. Sailer’s whimming of my comments, the worse it gets. More than 8 hours before you (apparently) posted this one, I submitted my own reply to Jack D that’s still in moderation as I type this.

    ———

    I hope that Kratoklastes replies. In the meantime, this assumption of yours


    If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) […]
     
    seems questionable.

    Not everyone who foregoes the annual flu shot becomes infected. In fact, most of those “vaccine hesitants” don’t — and, within months, can’t — because the strain burns out.

    Why do you think this virus will be any different?

    ———

    Your comments are much more valuable than mine. Does Mr. Sailer whim yours, too?
    , @Greta Handel
    @Kratoklastes

    Hoping this gets through…

    According to commenter Erebus under the (closed) Unz/Whitney “Crackpots” article, the Phase III trials have been spiked since back in the winter, when the placeboed control group was offered the products under review for FDA (dis)approval.

    You might want to look into that and reply here.

    Thanks (to both of you) for your efforts to inform discussion.

  317. @Mark G.
    @Stan d Mute


    Take your bug juice tax eater.
     
    I'm a libertarian but the government does have some valid functions such as a military, police and court system. I work for the army. Are you an anarchist who thinks we should have no military at all? How do you think that would work out?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    100% better than your Woke “military” with imbeciles like Thoroughly Woke Milley and the incomprehensible incompetence displayed in Afghanistan. And I am just guessing, but I suspect that there would be millions more innocent civilians still alive without you Mr Tax Eater.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Stan d Mute


    100% better than your Woke “military” with imbeciles like Thoroughly Woke Milley and the incomprehensible incompetence displayed in Afghanistan.

     

    Because the military does things it shouldn't be doing, it doesn't follow from that there should be no military at all. You don't understand that? When I started working for the army forty years ago, I took an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I admired the Constitution and the men who wrote it so I considered that a worthwhile endeavor to be a part of. If I was starting my career now I wouldn't join the Woke military of today but I'm 65 and near the end. I see a future where the country falls apart and the military is used by the central government to try to stop the more freedom loving states from seceding but I won't be around for that. I am going to be no part of that nor would I want to be.

    One problem that the dissident right has is that it has many people like this individual I'm responding to who needlessly insults natural allies who are also against the Woke left. This results in a shrinking of the movement as it drives people off already in the movement and prevents the recruitment of new members. This helps to guarantee the eventual defeat of the right and victory for the left.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  318. @Anon
    Why is it called the delta variant and not the Indian variant?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Why is it called the delta variant and not the Indian variant?

    Because India gets bent out of shape when things like this get the place naming that’s been the norm for more than a century. In this case it wasn’t their fault, the source was almost certainly an entirely random person who didn’t throw it off quickly, thus creating an ecological battle inside their body, and like the Kent/British B.1.1.7 variant Alpha was discovered months before their nations started vaccine campaigns. But things like New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase 1, a penicillin etc. destroying bacterial enzyme that as I recall reading at the time it was found was the first to incorporate metal ions, a couple of zinc atoms, almost certainly was. Quoting Wikipedia which has it right as far as I independently know:

    The Indian health ministry has disputed the conclusion of the August 2010 Lancet study that the gene originated in India, describing this conclusion as “unfair” and stating that Indian hospitals are perfectly safe for treatment. Indian politicians have described linking this new drug resistance gene to India as “malicious propaganda” and blamed multinational corporations for what they describe as selective malignancy. A Bharatiya Janata Party politician has instead argued that the journal article is bogus and represented an attempt to scare medical tourists away from India. The Indian Ministry of Health released a statement “strongly refut[ing]” naming the enzyme “New Delhi”. A co-author of the 2010 Lancet study, who is based in the University of Madras, has stated that he does not agree with the part of the article that advises people to avoid elective surgeries in India.

    In contrast, an editorial in the March 2010 issue of the Journal of Association of Physicians of India blamed the emergence of this gene on the widespread misuse of antibiotics in the Indian healthcare system….

    TL;DR: anyone thinking India was going to become a Mecca of medical tourism was smoking powerful stuff, and India is none too pleased about the end of that conceit. Like the PRC, best to placate them.

    On the other hand any one country might have more than one variant of concern arise from it, there are 1.4 billion human Petri dishes in India, and “lineage B.1.617.2” doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, does it?

  319. @Ron Mexico
    @Anon

    Odenkirk didn't die, but his heart attack has more people suspicious of covid vaccine.

    Replies: @MGB, @Inquiring Mind, @Anon

    Well, well, well.. another one just collapsed, aged 60. He was just sitting there and.. pouf!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9850035/General-Hospital-star-Jay-Pickett-dies-60-soap-opera-actor-passes-away-Idaho.html

    That Daily Mail..

  320. @Travis
    @LondonBob

    While it does appear that the Delta variant is more mild it is hard to know for sure, since most of the cases are under the age of 50 and would face little risk of death from any known variants.

    The latest hospitalization data from the CDC indicates that 45% of those hospitalized over the past two weeks are under the age of 50 and 55% are over the age of 49. Back in January 79% of those hospitalized were over the age of 49.

    So this new variant is will appear less deadly, since fewer elderly are getting sick (probably since more of them are vaccinated). Also most of the susceptible elderly already died from COVID last year.

    In July 2020 over 10,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 75% were over 50
    in July 2021 just under 2,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 55% were over 50

    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @LondonBob

    Thanks.

    You’d think that by now somebody would have set up systems for collecting all the relevant info so we could use multiple regression to answer obvious questions like is, all else being equal, the latest variant more or less likely to put you in the hospital.

    It’s understandable than in 2020 it might take weeks or months to do a good multiple regression study but by 2021 The Experts ought to have plug-and-play analyses systems ready to go all the time. But instead they seem to keep reinventing the wheel each time.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    You’d think that by now somebody would have set up systems for collecting all the relevant info so we could use multiple regression to answer obvious questions like is, all else being equal, the latest variant more or less likely to put you in the hospital.

    That would be a good thing. It would be a step towards controlling disease. If such a center existed, it could be called something like, oh, the "Center for Controlling Disease" and would surely get a nice, big Federal budget.

    Maybe we can petition Congress to create the CCD and fully fund proper work such as iSteve suggests.

  321. @Jonathan Mason
    @El Dato

    It is not really clear that the Texas law is aimed at Covid-19 safety.

    Does Texas have mandatory quarantine for people entering from Mexico or from other states of the Union?

    It is certainly true that if the United States really wanted to prevent and discourage illegal immigrants, it would interdict vans with blacked out windows, which you can frequently see in Florida on the interstate highways, and which are presumably transporting illegal migrant workers to the citrus groves.

    But then the United States would also demand proper verification of social security numbers for all hiring if it was at all serious about dealing with illegal immigration and the people who employed illegal immigrants.

    Never mind the damn wall along the border with Mexico, there were all kinds of things that Trump could have done if he was an effective leader and legislator, but he was all talk and no action, wasn't he?

    Replies: @gda53

    Sure he could have Jonathan, if it makes you feel better.

    The cartoon evil fiend Trump! in your mind was the cause of everything bad.

    Its OK now.

  322. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1421199340308242437

    If this is true, it seems like sort of a big deal.

    Replies: @gda53

    The MOST any vaccine mutates is by 0.3%.

    This is utter BS.

  323. @Cloudbuster
    "Islam is right about..." is an opening phrase I find myself thinking more and more.

    It's not right about everything and has overall been a negative force, but in a Western world lacking in any overarching moral code, respect for tradition and in any sense of the divine, it is not hard to see the attraction.

    Replies: @gda53, @Etruscan Film Star

    Sure, pick the most cultish “religion” to move your trust to.

    You do realize that their “respect for tradition” is code for “if you say anything bad about Muhammed, who liked little girls and was basically a pedophile and mass murderer, we will kill you”

    Great choice.

  324. @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'Is there any reason for you to suppose that you have any idea about what you are claiming?'

    Why are you taking offense?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I’m laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'I’m laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.'

    You're a troll.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  325. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Thanks.

    You'd think that by now somebody would have set up systems for collecting all the relevant info so we could use multiple regression to answer obvious questions like is, all else being equal, the latest variant more or less likely to put you in the hospital.

    It's understandable than in 2020 it might take weeks or months to do a good multiple regression study but by 2021 The Experts ought to have plug-and-play analyses systems ready to go all the time. But instead they seem to keep reinventing the wheel each time.

    Replies: @anon

    You’d think that by now somebody would have set up systems for collecting all the relevant info so we could use multiple regression to answer obvious questions like is, all else being equal, the latest variant more or less likely to put you in the hospital.

    That would be a good thing. It would be a step towards controlling disease. If such a center existed, it could be called something like, oh, the “Center for Controlling Disease” and would surely get a nice, big Federal budget.

    Maybe we can petition Congress to create the CCD and fully fund proper work such as iSteve suggests.

  326. @Kratoklastes
    @Jack D

    Anyone who uses the words 'ethical considerations' in connection with major pharma companies, is too naïve to be allowed outside without adult supervision.

    Similarly: the notion that a trial must be cut short because to 'doom' the control leg was 'unethical', was invented by the people doing the original AZT trial in the 1980s. The result was the premature approval of AZT (and then, only for terminally-ill 'full-blown' AIDS patients) - with promises from the pharma companies that they would restrict AZT prescription advice to only that subgroup.

    Later the same year, one Anthony Fauci said in an NIH press release, that HIV-positive asymptomatic individuals with T-cell counts under 500, should start on AZT immediately. Turns out there was not, and has not been since, any published literature in support of that contention. His dire public prediction that 20% of heterosexuals would contract HIV/AIDS by 1990, turned out to be Chicken Little bullshit.

    The original AZT-HIV study was an absolutely perfect case of 'end the trial early when you get any positive result; tell the world it's unethical to do otherwise'.

    Turns out that the longer-term effect of AZT is precisely the opposite of what's intended: the shit was known to be highly toxic before it was ever used to attempt to treat HIV (it was a failed chemotherapy drug), and it's now known - with absolute certainty that it killed vastly more people that it saved.

    SPIN had a very important story on this, way back in 1989. Read that piece, and that ought to inform you about both Fauci (a charlatan) and the major pharm companies.

    .

    If your claim is that "If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone", why are they permitted to use the interim data to make any claims about efficacy in symptom reduction?

    Answer: this is the same schtick they always use, and people are stupid enough to fall for it.

    They used it for SSRIs - cutting studies off at 6 weeks, because that's when the short-term effects of SSRIs fall away to zero.

    They did it for AZT - ending the study early (having encouraged people to unblind themselves by making known key blood markers for being in the 'live' leg). They ended subsequent studies at 16 or 24 weeks... by 44 weeks all the early apparent effectiveness was reversed and after 3½ years all AZT recipients in one large study were dead (the last placebo recipient lived 8½ years)

    They did it for Vioxx, Celebrex, and Oxycontin. It's what they fucking do.

    It shows Mengele-level insouciance regarding consequences, to support the notion that we should be sticking needles in people's arms, when the needle contains a novel substance whose safety and efficacy will not be known (and then only to a 'BigPharma and the Replication Crisis' level of certainty) until May 2023.

    The May 2023 study end date for Pfizer's Phase III (NCT04368728) can be found under 'Study Design" sat the link. (Note that nobody with comorbidities in included in the study, either: look at 'Exclusion Criteria', and ask yourself why they're focused on people who have fuck-all chance of death from COVID).


    Big Pharma, the WHO, Fauci, Ferguson and co do not deserve the benefit of the doubt: quite the opposite.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Greta Handel

    The more I complain about Mr. Sailer’s whimming of my comments, the worse it gets. More than 8 hours before you (apparently) posted this one, I submitted my own reply to Jack D that’s still in moderation as I type this.

    ———

    I hope that Kratoklastes replies. In the meantime, this assumption of yours

    If they ran the trial longer, then more unvaccinated people would be infected (in the long run, everyone) […]

    seems questionable.

    Not everyone who foregoes the annual flu shot becomes infected. In fact, most of those “vaccine hesitants” don’t — and, within months, can’t — because the strain burns out.

    Why do you think this virus will be any different?

    ———

    Your comments are much more valuable than mine. Does Mr. Sailer whim yours, too?

  327. @Jack D
    @HA


    As far as I can tell, for those who take precautions, it’s no big deal either way,
     
    There are several problems with this statement. First of all, it's not true unless you mean spending all your time triple masked with N95s, face shields and in a biohazard suit. Right now we are seeing quite a number of medical personnel, who presumably do take normal precautions, nevertheless getting Covid because the Delta variant is highly contagious. And while there is some evidence that people who take precautions and nevertheless get infected get milder cases because of a lower viral load, there are plenty of cases where unvaccinated individuals who were masked nevertheless became quite sick and died.

    Your chances vary greatly according to age. Yes, if you are under 30 and have NO comorbidities it's probably not a big deal for you (though it may be for your granny when you bring it home to her) but there are a LOT of people in America, even people under 30, with comorbidities - obesity, asthma, diabetes, etc. There are a LOT of fat asses out there.

    2nd, and this is even a bigger problem - the same people who refused to be vaccinated (which is the greatest precaution of all) are also the people who are the MOST unlikely to take other precautions as well - the Venn diagram of people who are anti-vax and anti-mask shows a big overlap. We see right here all sorts of people claiming that "I trust God to take care of me". I assume this means WRT Covid only and that they don't walk out into traffic without looking, but you never know. Apparently "trusting in God" in the case of Covid involves not only not being vaccinated but also not "taking precautions". Any attempt to minimize your exposure to the virus betrays a lack of trust in God, apparently.

    Replies: @HA, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The unvaccinated are much younger and more likely to have natural immunity. While 80% of those over the age of 60 have been vaccinated less than 50% of those under the age of 40 have been vaccinated.

    The unvaxxed are mostly immune to COVID, because they are younger and logically have less fear of the virus. They are much more likely to have natural immunity because they have not been hiding in their homes for the past 16 months.

    The CDC estimated that 41% of Americans under the age of 5o already had COVID by March of this year. Must be closer to 50% today due to the viral Delta variant.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

  328. @jsm
    @That Would Be Telling

    Sorry about the shingles. It's misery, aye.

    The tragedy here is just what you say, the fact that kiddoes are getting the chickenpox vax. Kids don't need it. Chickenpox is rarely serious. They only started giving it cuz (a) monetary profits, of course, and (b) it's "inconvenient" for working parents to "have to take off a week of work to care for an ill child." -- See that "inconvenient" thing, there? No kidding. That was the "medical justification." Mustn't let anything interfere with making the Almighty Dollar...

    Whereas, in the olden days, the grandkids' chickenpox bouts boosted the grandparents' immunity to the herpes virus in their own cells, heading off the shingles. So the childhood chickenpox vax is directly responsible for the increase in shingles in our senior citizens.

    Funny, that, isn't it? We're told we must vax kids for COVID, even though they don't need it, to protect old folks (from Covid.) But we're ALSO told that we must vax kids for chickenpox, making it so they *can't* protect the old folks (from shingles.)

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Ralph L

    But if only some kids get vaxed for chickenpox, the unvaxed might not get it until they’re adults, when it’s much more dangerous.

  329. @Stan d Mute
    @Mark G.

    100% better than your Woke “military” with imbeciles like Thoroughly Woke Milley and the incomprehensible incompetence displayed in Afghanistan. And I am just guessing, but I suspect that there would be millions more innocent civilians still alive without you Mr Tax Eater.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    100% better than your Woke “military” with imbeciles like Thoroughly Woke Milley and the incomprehensible incompetence displayed in Afghanistan.

    Because the military does things it shouldn’t be doing, it doesn’t follow from that there should be no military at all. You don’t understand that? When I started working for the army forty years ago, I took an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I admired the Constitution and the men who wrote it so I considered that a worthwhile endeavor to be a part of. If I was starting my career now I wouldn’t join the Woke military of today but I’m 65 and near the end. I see a future where the country falls apart and the military is used by the central government to try to stop the more freedom loving states from seceding but I won’t be around for that. I am going to be no part of that nor would I want to be.

    One problem that the dissident right has is that it has many people like this individual I’m responding to who needlessly insults natural allies who are also against the Woke left. This results in a shrinking of the movement as it drives people off already in the movement and prevents the recruitment of new members. This helps to guarantee the eventual defeat of the right and victory for the left.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mark G.


    I took an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.
     
    And FAILED catastrophically.

    40 consecutive years of FAILURE.

    Take your bug juice.

  330. Anon[904] • Disclaimer says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    @Ron Mexico

    Mr. Odenkirk hasn't made his medical record angiogram public, but let's just say I have seen the angiogram of "a friend" who had an "incident" one month prior.

    The main artery on the right side (RCA, whatever that is) was 100% blocked, resulting in the need for emergency catheterization, but once that artery was stented open, everything downstream looked fully open.

    A branch artery on the left side (LAD, which is also supposed to mean something) was 80% blocked. Two weeks later in an elective procedure it was stented open, and there was one side branch that could only be ballooned open and could not be stented because reasons. A similar good result seen in the "after" angiogram on the downstream arteries.

    The friend with normal cholesterol, blood pressure under medical treatment and no family history was told, "you have coronary artery disease, which didn't happen overnight, dude." This guy would feel better if this were a side effect of the Pfizer, a risk he chose to take on, rather than his fault for unhealthy eating, which he is not known for. But no one with medical credentials would ever admit to such a thing.

    Any ideas of where to get more information on the subject?

    Replies: @Anon

    Perhaps this could be a start, though it refers to micro clots.

    Summary of the nine minute video clip below:

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    -Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level

    -Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible

    -Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening

    -Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    Even if this is true (it ain't) it has nothing to do with blocked coronary arteries. Heart failure and heart attack are two completely different things (although failure often follows heart attack due to the damage that the heart attack causes to the heart muscle).

    Blocked coronary arteries are extremely common for older men in our society. They didn't suddenly appear when they started vaccinating people. It's not a disease that appears overnight - it takes a lifetime to gradually plate out your arteries. "After this, therefore because of this" is very weak logic.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body
     
    Didn't watch the video, but does it claim the mRNA vaccines include spike proteins?

    Because what they include are the mRNA to create stabilized spike proteins inside cells. Which isn't exactly the same thing as creating free floating spike proteins, although that'll happen as for example the cells get destroyed by the immune system. Note also these aren't wild type (WT) spike proteins, they are stabilized in the pre-fusion configuration. Does the proposed bonding mechanism require them to fuse with something, vs. presumably have an affinity for binding to things like ACE2 receptors? Which I assume would be reversible contrary to what they're claiming, unlike WT spike proteins.

    What happens when the adaptive immune system gets into gear as soon as eight days after the prime dose? It should be recognizing those spike proteins and zapping them, which in this claimed scenario would likely cause pathology.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Anon

    Hoffe is some sort of anti-vaxx nutcase. He is against not only the Covid vaccine but all vaccines.


    https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/aiovg_videos/dr-charles-hoffe-explains-why-you-must-say-no-to-child-vaccination/

    He is spreading disinformation that is going to get people killed. His medical license should be pulled and probably will be. I don't know whether he is being paid by the Chinese or Satan or whom but what he is doing is sick. The widows and orphans of the people he will kill with his bad advice should sue his ass. It's one thing to be a random nutcase like the folks on Unz and it's another to be a licensed medical professional and dispense dangerous advice that your patients may rely upon.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489

    Replies: @Alden

  331. anon[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Old news by now, but worth repeating. People who have been vaxxed can contract SARS-2. People who have been vaxxed and who contract SARS-2 can shed the virus, i.e. they can be “spreaders”. Getting a vaxx does not necessarily protect grandma in her isolation.


    medpagetoday.com
    /infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93830?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-07-30&eun=g1543379d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CDC

    Of 469 cases linked to multiple summer events and large summer gatherings in a small town, 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated people, and almost 80% of those cases were symptomatic, reported Catherine Brown, DVM, of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, and colleagues.

    There were five hospitalizations, four among fully vaccinated people, and no deaths. Of 133 cases with sequence information available, 89% were from the Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the authors wrote in an early edition of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

    Moreover, vaccination coverage in Massachusetts was reported to be 69% as of July 3, they noted.

    Of the 346 fully vaccinated cases, median age was 42, and 87% were men. The most common symptoms were cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever. Median interval from completion of at least 14 days after the final vaccine dose was 86 days (range 6 to 178 days).

    There were also reports of cases from residents of 22 other states who traveled to this town during the period, and reports of secondary transmission.

  332. @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer


    If you are a certain age, get your shingles vaccine. You really don’t want to get shingles at your age.
     
    You don't want to get shingles at any age. I was 42 when I got shingles on my face. It was (so far) the most miserable thing I've ever been through.

    Get the vaccine.

    Replies: @black sea

    I was 42 when I got shingles on my “waistline” and below. The only thing that provided any relief was to get in the shower and cover the area in very hot water. The pain would dissipate so long as you continued this, but of course return almost immediately once the water was off.

    Not a nice way to live, get the vaccination.

  333. Steve, what percentage of people on the right do you think are opposed to vaccines for infectious diseases? According to the MSM, most extreme anti-vaxxers are on the political right, and the political right is the main source of anti-vaccination ideology.

    I may be a bit out of touch here but in my experience, most anti-vaxxers are left-wing hippies who smoke too much dope.

    I suggest a test. Put up a statue of Aristotle in Times Square. All those who support the statue are clearly people of science and reason. All those who oppose are people are backwardness and superstition.

  334. @ThreeCranes
    Ah, but Steve, you haven’t informed your readers about the worst prospect. The simple, morally-satisfying narrative of Vaccinated = good person, Unvaxed = bad person/spreader is bankrupt.

    The tables have turned and those of us who said all along, “Well, the likelihood of this leaky vaccine causing a truly deadly epidemic is high so therefore the correct course is to NOT get the vaccination and let our natural immunity protect us. Some of us will die–and I am in a high risk category because of my age–nevertheless, in light of the common good, I’ll take my chances and let the cards fall where they may.

    The right thing to do at this point would seem to be to stop developing new vaccines in response to each new variant that comes down the pike. We’ll just have to let the thing run its course and wind down. As virtually every competent virologist has said, left to themselves, most viruses attenuate. Anyway, here’s the quote and a follow up from Wiki on what “leaky vaccine” means and the consequences.

    From a comment by gay troll in Gregory Hood’s article Why People Don’t Trust “The Science”.


    COVID deaths and cases started plummeting as soon as Biden was inaugurated. They dropped some 80% by the time only 15% of Americans were fully jabbed. Even if the pandemic curve was spoofed during the election and lame duck period to monger fear, we should still expect the pandemic to end sooner or later. That’s what epidemics do: they break out, form a curve, and then disappear. Their disappearance is due to the twin forces of natural selection and immune development. The tendency of any germ in a human population is to evolve towards greater transmissibility and lower mortality. At that point it may or may not become endemic. There are already four endemic human coronaviruses.

    This kind of evolution is exactly what we have observed with Delta. It is more contagious and less lethal. The sharp rise in cases attributed to Delta has not been matched by a corresponding rise in deaths. The data shows than on an average per-case basis, Delta is 10-25 times less deadly than the original COVID. This would all be great, except for one thing. Half the population has now been inoculated with a leaky vaccine.

    Anyone with a basic knowledge of virology could have seen this coming. It was always considered common wisdom that there can be no vaccine for the common cold (30% of which are caused by endemic coronaviruses) because single strand RNA viruses mutate so rapidly. Even if the jabs offered sufficient protection against infection from the original COVID strain (hint: they did not) it is entirely predictable that a new strain would arise and devalue the vaccine. Israel said recently that the jabs are only 39% effective at protecting against infection from Delta. Today the CDC said the jabbed are “3 fold” more protected against infection from Delta. That implies a mere 67% efficacy at preventing infection.

    There has been much ado about the jabs being depopulation tools that will kill or sterilize the jabbed. Recognize this for what it is: a propagandist fantasy. Many have rightly pointed out that it would make no sense for TPTB to cull the compliant and spare the non compliant. Enter the leaky vaccine. As a study of Marek’s disease in chickens claims, vaccinating half of a population with a leaky vaccine has a predictable effect. If a very “hot” version of the virus is released into such a population, the vaxxed birds will survive the infection longer, allowing them to spread it more widely. As a result, instead of burning itself out, the hot virus will spread throughout the whole population. In the study it killed ALL the unvaccinated chickens.
    Think of Ebola. Ebola outbreaks tend to be short lived, because the virus is so lethal, it burns itself out quickly. Now imagine half of an African village being given a leaky vaccine for Ebola. It might be 95% effective at reducing severe symptoms, but in the event of an outbreak, the vaxxed will be able to spread the disease to all the unvaxxed. Not the other way around.

    Of course, COVID is far less lethal than Ebola. But the principle remains. We shouldn’t expect a super deadly version of COVID to pop out of nowhere, unless of course it is all part of a biowarfare operation. In that case TPTB can release a super deadly COVID variant, and thanks to the leaky vaccine vectors, the variant will spread far and wide and kill everyone who is not jabbed.

    I will remain un jabbed and I am not suggesting that anyone run out to get the vaccine to spare themselves from death. But I do suggest that we all be prepared to die a horrible death at the hands of a bio weapon, with a bunch of compliant Karens standing over our graves, laughing and saying “We told you so”. It is entirely possible to be both right and dead.

     

    From Wikipedia, on “leaky vaccines”

    Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek’s is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek’s disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek’s disease was quite low. Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken’s body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens.

    The Marek’s disease vaccine is a “leaky vaccine”, which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented.[12] Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains.[13] The vaccine’s inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine.

    The evolution of Marek’s disease due to vaccination has had a profound effect on the poultry industry. All chickens across the globe are now vaccinated against Marek’s disease (birds hatched in private flocks for laying or exhibition are rarely vaccinated). Highly virulent strains have been selected to the point that any chicken that is unvaccinated will die if infected.[14] Other leaky vaccines are commonly used in agriculture. One vaccine in particular is the vaccine for avian influenza. Leaky vaccine use for avian influenza can select for virulent strains.[15]

     

    Replies: @BB753, @ivan

    I suspect that the “leaky vaccine” effect is not a bug but a feature of NRA messenger vaccines. They weren’t designed to stop a virus but to prevent it from ever leaving the scene and to create endless mutations, so as to ensure populations will need shots all their lives. It’s a perfect business model: Big Pharma is reimbursed of the costs of research and can even skip protocol and try out their vaccines on the population at large with no accountability; any death or mishap can be blamed on the virus or any other cause; worldwide sales assured because all medical authorities and media are on their pay-roll; a never-ending supply of sickly, brain-washed and inmuno-supressed patients to jab who won’t live long-enough to make a fuss about the vaccines. It’s a win-win.
    The forever pandemic.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  335. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — lesbians combine the worse aspects of women (demanding conformity) and homosexuals (hostility to normality) they are natural totalitarians to rival any Nazi or commie apparatchik
     
    Speaking of which, I’m wondering if there are any neuropathy experts on isteve?

    If so, can you explain why Rachel Maddow generally speaks from the right side of her mouth? Could that be due to a long-past mini-stroke, or has it something to do with some kind of genetically-based neural dysfunction, or perhaps a virus? Past Alcoholism? A sign that something worse is going on?

    She does it every day, but I don’t think she’s ever explained what her problem is:

    https://youtu.be/yF_IGqSdN20

    Replies: @Anon, @duncsbaby

    Why are you watching Maddow every day?

  336. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mike Tre

    It was a general observation on the commenters here and conservative men in general. Many of them have replied explaining that it was an astute one and why they feel that way. I wasn't criticising. People think what they think and feel what they feel. It is individual and I don't know their circumstances. I don't know why would react so aggressively, for example, but I do know that I would embarrassed now of I were you.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    “but I do know that I would embarrassed now of I were you.”

    WTF?

  337. @Anon
    @Inquiring Mind

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE&feature=emb_title

    Perhaps this could be a start, though it refers to micro clots.

    Summary of the nine minute video clip below:

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    -Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level

    -Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible

    -Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening

    -Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    Even if this is true (it ain’t) it has nothing to do with blocked coronary arteries. Heart failure and heart attack are two completely different things (although failure often follows heart attack due to the damage that the heart attack causes to the heart muscle).

    Blocked coronary arteries are extremely common for older men in our society. They didn’t suddenly appear when they started vaccinating people. It’s not a disease that appears overnight – it takes a lifetime to gradually plate out your arteries. “After this, therefore because of this” is very weak logic.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    Actor Jay Pickett just died of a heart attack at age 60 whereas Bob Odenkirk survived one at at 58.

    When President Eisenhower suffered his heart attacks, that focused a great deal of attention on coronary artery disease, along with the post-mortem examination of our young men who died in the Korean War exhibiting the very early signs in the form of "fatty streaks" in their blood vessels.

    Yes, the lifetime effect of eating rich foods, elevated blood pressure and bad genetics. Only what "they" didn't tell you is that President Eisenhower had been a heavy cigarette smoker. Then there is fitness guru Bob Harper who had "family history."

    I agree with you that this hypothesis of the COVID vaccine releasing spike protein that clots up your lungs like a full-blown case of COVID is claimed to do and then putting strain on your heart is "weak tea" in skipping the vaccine, especially when COVID illness, especially the rapidly spreading Delta strain is a Clear and Present Danger.

    When Bernie Sanders suffers a heart attack on the campaign trail, the seriousness of which was downplayed, well, I guess old guys like him are at risk. When Bob Odenkirk and Jay Pickett experience this, one scratches one's head a little bit.

    Yes, the prevalence of coronary artery disease and symptoms in not-so-old-actors who look outwardly fit may not be all that unusual, and non-smokers get lung cancer and have to deflect the side glances that they sneaked smokes and didn't tell anybody.

    But is there anything atypical about these heart attacks? Did they have anything unusual in their pattern of blocked arteries? The COVID is said to be a blood and blood vessel disease -- as much as being a kind of real-life Andromeda Strain as to why my friend made a bee-line as soon as they lowered the eligibility beyond the 65-and-over group. The COVID vaccine possibly resulting in some symptoms of the disease is not a complete tin-foil-hat theory.

    The reason I bring this up here is that I was at least under the impression that inconvenient truths and departures from received wisdom can be discussed here on iSteve. I asked if there were reports of atypical heart attacks, not only the risk-factor profile but the pattern of the arterial blockages? My friend is a vaccine "believer" and is not going to go around telling people not to take it.

    Replies: @Alden, @anon

  338. @JimDandy
    @Jack D

    Doing something is not automatically better than doing nothing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Generally speaking that’s true. For example, if the “something” consists of giving people deworming medicine after they have already contracted Covid, it’s not. But when the “something” consists of reasonable, medically proven measures such as vaccination it isn’t. If the something is effective, then “doing something” can save millions of lives vs. doing nothing.

  339. @LondonBob
    When I studied in Boston Provincetown seemed like a great place to take a day trip to by boat, I was prepared to put up with it being ten or twenty percent gay, but when I was told it was over ninety I decided to give it a pass.

    The vaccines are pretty useless against the Delta variant, so I don't think this a factor anyway. Besides the Delta variant is mild anyway.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1421143594870714370?s=20

    Replies: @Travis, @Jack D

    The IFR of Covid is HIGHLY dependent on age, more than almost any other disease (I suppose flu comes close). For little kids, it’s almost zero. For the very elderly, it can be as high as 15%. In an unvaccinated nursing home, Covid is the Black Death. So unless you adjust for age, doing pre and post vaccine comparisons of IFR is worthless because the elderly have been vaccinated at much higher rates than young people (and kids under 12 have not been vaccinated at all). Even if there was no new variant, the IFR of Covid would have been dropping right along with the average age of the victims. Likewise India is not a useful model because their life expectancy is 69 years – most Indians are dead of other causes before they hit the age where Covid becomes highly deadly.

    So this “smarter than the CDC data junkie” has made a gross statistical error. For all I know, he really is a smart guy, but a fatal error in science (and in police work and in everything else) is reaching your conclusion first and then looking for data to support it. I see almost 100% of anti-vaxxers doing this. Drug trials have elaborate double blinds precisely for this reason.

  340. @Anon
    @Inquiring Mind

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE&feature=emb_title

    Perhaps this could be a start, though it refers to micro clots.

    Summary of the nine minute video clip below:

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    -Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level

    -Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible

    -Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening

    -Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    Didn’t watch the video, but does it claim the mRNA vaccines include spike proteins?

    Because what they include are the mRNA to create stabilized spike proteins inside cells. Which isn’t exactly the same thing as creating free floating spike proteins, although that’ll happen as for example the cells get destroyed by the immune system. Note also these aren’t wild type (WT) spike proteins, they are stabilized in the pre-fusion configuration. Does the proposed bonding mechanism require them to fuse with something, vs. presumably have an affinity for binding to things like ACE2 receptors? Which I assume would be reversible contrary to what they’re claiming, unlike WT spike proteins.

    What happens when the adaptive immune system gets into gear as soon as eight days after the prime dose? It should be recognizing those spike proteins and zapping them, which in this claimed scenario would likely cause pathology.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    You're giving these folks too much credit. Even if you were to debunk their half-assed theory, they would give you ten more reasons why the vaccine is no good. They are not amenable to scientific argument - they are just dressing up their primitive anti-vax emotions in scientific garb.

  341. @Anon
    @Inquiring Mind

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE&feature=emb_title

    Perhaps this could be a start, though it refers to micro clots.

    Summary of the nine minute video clip below:

    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body

    -Each particle bonds to interior wall of capillaries causing the interior surface of the entire vascular system to become rough like sandpaper instead of the natural smooth blood vessel lining, on the capillary level

    -Body reacts by forming clots and blocking the injured vessels and capillaries. This process is permanent and irreversible

    -Micro-clotting of capillaries is invisible to scans, only the D-Dimer test shows that clotting is happening in the body on a micro level, but not where it is happening

    -Micro-clotting in the lungs causes increased pressure on the right side of the heart which must pump against the blocked capillaries in the lungs. Right side heart failure generally occurs within three years when this pulmonary micro-clotting occurs

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Jack D

    Hoffe is some sort of anti-vaxx nutcase. He is against not only the Covid vaccine but all vaccines.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/aiovg_videos/dr-charles-hoffe-explains-why-you-must-say-no-to-child-vaccination/

    He is spreading disinformation that is going to get people killed. His medical license should be pulled and probably will be. I don’t know whether he is being paid by the Chinese or Satan or whom but what he is doing is sick. The widows and orphans of the people he will kill with his bad advice should sue his ass. It’s one thing to be a random nutcase like the folks on Unz and it’s another to be a licensed medical professional and dispense dangerous advice that your patients may rely upon.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    Thank you thank you thank you. 3 siblings got polio the summer before the polio vaccine was first given to all children in schools and dr offices. I spent 4 miserable weeks twice with measles and chicken pox. Mumps was not bad. Measles in kindergarten. Eyes hurt so much parents covered the windows with dark cloth and put a scarf over my eyes.

    About the polio. Only a month in the hospital. But exercises every day and swimming and therapy 6 days a week. That’s what Mom did for the next 6 years. Picked the kids up at school and then off to therapy or swimming. Saturday’s both therapy and swimming. They got polio in a swimming pool toddlers swim class. Lucky me, no polio in that same swimming pool a few years earlier when I took the same class.

    It was traumatic the first year. Parents were convinced the kids would end up totally crippled if they didn’t follow the 2 half hour exercise sessions at home every day plus swimming and therapy 6 days a week.

    Ah, the good old days. Usual pattern was 8 pregnancies, 2 miscarriages , 6 live births 2 or 3 kids dead by age 10 from everything from measles to diphtheria a horrible horrible disease that was only eradicated in the 1930s by a vaccine. Look at President Lincoln’s family. 4 boys, only one lived to adulthood. That was not unusual.

    Wombs are sterile. The sterile baby arrives in a filthy world of germs bacteria and viruses swarming to attack. Modern sanitation, clean tap water, hot water heaters, clean food regs and inspections was a great help to ensure babies will live.

    But even more important are vaccines. Measles can kill. Diphtheria usually kills. Few survive diphtheria.

    Suggestion for anyone really really interested in the vaccine controversy. Buy a nursing or med school pediatrics text book. And read about the lack of immunity for fetuses new born babies and kids up to 10. Buy a Friends of the Library card at your nearest university that has either a nursing or medical school. Read some histories of medicine. Diphtheria Scarlett fever whooping cough measles, all those deadly diseases the anti vaxx liberals laugh off as no worse than a bad cold.

    And stay away from the internet. Unless a licensed nurse or Dr lets you use his or her password to get into a real medical site.

    All my kids had a bad case of the flu sick for a week. One daughter didn’t recover. Took her to Dr. Dr said it’s just a really bad case of the flu. Friend with no medical knowledge whatsoever was a liberal. He was an attorney. He diagnosed her sight unseen as a potassium deficiency. Advised me to feed her lots of parsley. Back to the Dr . It was appendix. Not the burst kind that manifests itself obviously. The slow leak kind that isn’t obvious.

    Parsley for a slow leak appendix. Liberals and all their works and doings are detrimental to society.

    If you want medical information avoid liberals. Everything they advocate is wrong.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @JMcG

  342. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Colin Wright

    I'm laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I’m laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.’

    You’re a troll.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Colin Wright

    It is OK to feel the need to know everything, but don't let it overwhelm your ability to recognise what you don't know.

  343. @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon


    -40 trillion mRNA spike protein particles per injection, which spread throughout the entire body
     
    Didn't watch the video, but does it claim the mRNA vaccines include spike proteins?

    Because what they include are the mRNA to create stabilized spike proteins inside cells. Which isn't exactly the same thing as creating free floating spike proteins, although that'll happen as for example the cells get destroyed by the immune system. Note also these aren't wild type (WT) spike proteins, they are stabilized in the pre-fusion configuration. Does the proposed bonding mechanism require them to fuse with something, vs. presumably have an affinity for binding to things like ACE2 receptors? Which I assume would be reversible contrary to what they're claiming, unlike WT spike proteins.

    What happens when the adaptive immune system gets into gear as soon as eight days after the prime dose? It should be recognizing those spike proteins and zapping them, which in this claimed scenario would likely cause pathology.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You’re giving these folks too much credit. Even if you were to debunk their half-assed theory, they would give you ten more reasons why the vaccine is no good. They are not amenable to scientific argument – they are just dressing up their primitive anti-vax emotions in scientific garb.

  344. @Colin Wright
    @Triteleia Laxa

    'I’m laughing at you. You explained to me in great detail something which you evidently have absolutely no idea about. It is comical.'

    You're a troll.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It is OK to feel the need to know everything, but don’t let it overwhelm your ability to recognise what you don’t know.

  345. @profnasty
    @Reg Cæsar

    Let's do the math. (I said mAth.)
    80% of legal immigrants are men.
    90% of illegal immigrants are men.
    20 years X 2 Million = 35 million extra men in US (literally).
    Add on Jewish media touting miscegenation, and VIOLA, male cocksuckers.
    As easy as 1-2-3.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Those fellows don’t look like immigrants, except maybe a couple from Ukarus.

    However, you are doing a good job of living up to your name.

  346. It is OK to feel the need to know everything, but don’t let it overwhelm your ability to recognise what you don’t know.

    recognise

    Right, you’re not American.

  347. @Jack D
    @Anon

    Even if this is true (it ain't) it has nothing to do with blocked coronary arteries. Heart failure and heart attack are two completely different things (although failure often follows heart attack due to the damage that the heart attack causes to the heart muscle).

    Blocked coronary arteries are extremely common for older men in our society. They didn't suddenly appear when they started vaccinating people. It's not a disease that appears overnight - it takes a lifetime to gradually plate out your arteries. "After this, therefore because of this" is very weak logic.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Actor Jay Pickett just died of a heart attack at age 60 whereas Bob Odenkirk survived one at at 58.

    When President Eisenhower suffered his heart attacks, that focused a great deal of attention on coronary artery disease, along with the post-mortem examination of our young men who died in the Korean War exhibiting the very early signs in the form of “fatty streaks” in their blood vessels.

    Yes, the lifetime effect of eating rich foods, elevated blood pressure and bad genetics. Only what “they” didn’t tell you is that President Eisenhower had been a heavy cigarette smoker. Then there is fitness guru Bob Harper who had “family history.”

    I agree with you that this hypothesis of the COVID vaccine releasing spike protein that clots up your lungs like a full-blown case of COVID is claimed to do and then putting strain on your heart is “weak tea” in skipping the vaccine, especially when COVID illness, especially the rapidly spreading Delta strain is a Clear and Present Danger.

    When Bernie Sanders suffers a heart attack on the campaign trail, the seriousness of which was downplayed, well, I guess old guys like him are at risk. When Bob Odenkirk and Jay Pickett experience this, one scratches one’s head a little bit.

    Yes, the prevalence of coronary artery disease and symptoms in not-so-old-actors who look outwardly fit may not be all that unusual, and non-smokers get lung cancer and have to deflect the side glances that they sneaked smokes and didn’t tell anybody.

    But is there anything atypical about these heart attacks? Did they have anything unusual in their pattern of blocked arteries? The COVID is said to be a blood and blood vessel disease — as much as being a kind of real-life Andromeda Strain as to why my friend made a bee-line as soon as they lowered the eligibility beyond the 65-and-over group. The COVID vaccine possibly resulting in some symptoms of the disease is not a complete tin-foil-hat theory.

    The reason I bring this up here is that I was at least under the impression that inconvenient truths and departures from received wisdom can be discussed here on iSteve. I asked if there were reports of atypical heart attacks, not only the risk-factor profile but the pattern of the arterial blockages? My friend is a vaccine “believer” and is not going to go around telling people not to take it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Inquiring Mind

    Comedienne Kathy Griffith, ( loud mouth redhead, hates Trump) just had part of her lung removed She has lung cancer. She says she’s never smoked in her life. No one who knows her contradicts the statement.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @anon
    @Inquiring Mind

    The COVID is said to be a blood and blood vessel disease...,

    SARS-2 is a vascular disease spread by the respiratory route. The epithelium of blood vessels is easily attacked. Heart and lungs are known targets.

    Which reminds me, a year or so ago iSteve suggested to one and all that a pulse oxymeter would be a good and inexpensive investment. Because if SARS-2 attacks small blood vessels in the lungs, fluid will leak into the lungs, and eventually one will become short of breath due to oxygen deprivation. The oxymeter enables one to check blood O2 easily, long before the "short of breath" sets in.

    They cost $20 or so at all the big pharmacies. Worth having.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob

  348. @Travis
    @LondonBob

    While it does appear that the Delta variant is more mild it is hard to know for sure, since most of the cases are under the age of 50 and would face little risk of death from any known variants.

    The latest hospitalization data from the CDC indicates that 45% of those hospitalized over the past two weeks are under the age of 50 and 55% are over the age of 49. Back in January 79% of those hospitalized were over the age of 49.

    So this new variant is will appear less deadly, since fewer elderly are getting sick (probably since more of them are vaccinated). Also most of the susceptible elderly already died from COVID last year.

    In July 2020 over 10,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 75% were over 50
    in July 2021 just under 2,000 Americans were hospitalized with COVID, 55% were over 50

    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @LondonBob

    Viruses mutate to milder forms, the big delta wave did not generate nearly as many deaths in England, that we do know. As with much to do with covid the data is not clear as you say, indeed there is a great deal of obfuscation, we do know a majority of deaths were in those vaccinated but then is this because the elderly are more likely to be vaccinated, or are the low hanging fruit picked already, how many are benefiting from acquired immunity from infection rather than from the vaccine, how accurate are the PCR tests etc. We know hospitalised figures have included those who catch covid whilst in hospital for other reasons, Public Health England divide the data in to over and under fifties, again for no clear reason. We also know that the health authorities can’t be trusted as they are seeking to vaccinate children, even though they admit they have no issues from covid and the vaccines do not stop transmission. Clear data is not a priority, why?

  349. @Sollipsist
    Gotta give some credit to the gay community of the late 70s/early 80s for recognizing the threat that AIDS posed to their lifestyle, and advocating for more responsible behavior. There were plenty of intelligent homosexuals with self-discipline who did their best to counter the trend of random promiscuity... which, in all fairness, was pretty widespread among people of any sexual inclination during the 70s.

    Looking back at the weird mix of sympathy and health hysteria that this evoked in the average person of the time, it's pretty obvious that AIDS was a major factor in making homosexuality mainstream. To put it lightly, AIDS was fundamentally responsible for everything from Will & Grace to Ben Shapiro.

    But unfortunately the message of responsibility got more of a workout than actual responsible practices... so after a short period in which the approved message was that AIDS was increasing more among heterosexuals than homosexuals, the media mostly left the story alone, and the numbers dwindled as much through attrition as prevention. And then a whole new generation came about in which 'safe sex' was just as likely to be laughed about than rigorously practiced.

    So when the AIDS timeline hit the corresponding "Delta variant" phase, gay lifestyles were being promoted (in official speak, "tolerance and acceptance") while actual responsible behavior was taking a nose dive. And because there was no media hype over the resulting slight increase in cases, the world finally arrived at a reasonable outlook: that it's a dangerous disease, but unless you are unusually susceptible due to personal condition or behavior, it's not something to change any other aspect of your life about... gee, imagine that.

    Ironically, if AIDS had hypothically first happened in today's sociopolitical climate, we wouldn't even be able to talk about the outsized gay role -- due to that same 'tolerance and acceptance' being encouraged/enforced. And we'd probably be all required to show proof that we're wearing a condom in order to work and shop. But don't hold your breath waiting for anti-vaxxers and 'hesitants' to get the same victim sympathy pass that promiscuous homosexuals got in the 80s and 90s.

    Replies: @Alden

    What the AIDS epidemic did was give billions in government tax payer dollars to gay AIDS organizations. Not for medical care or medical research but for conscious raising advocacy and lobbying. Back when National Review was truly a pro White and conservative magazine it did some research about the AIDS “ workers” and NGOs. Their research found that just 1 out of 11 “AIDS workers “ was a medical worker of any kind.

    The rest were NGO advocates sitting in offices lobbying for more and more gay rights and turning gay men into pathetic victims of Ronald Regean.

    AIDS was created by promiscuous gay men during the 1970s. It became known during the late 1970s very liberal Carter administration. The main stream press kept quiet about it. It was only mentioned in the specialized medical press. And Drs especially proctologist’s and STD specialists were so used to the fact that gays had all the STDs and proctology problems at first AIDS was just a new STD like all the different strains of herpes chalmydia etc the bathhouse gays were busy developing and creating.

    Always always follow the money. All these detrimental causes from men in women’s locker rooms to BLM everyone comes out of the billions and billions of tax payers government money and tax deductible uncharitable donations.

    The NGO sector is vast. It might be bigger than the private sector. I don’t know. There are masters and PhD programs in social justice entrepreneurship. Just as there are programs in business administration. I assume there’s no math or 3 syllable words involved in the social justice programs.

    These causes are just a way to make money by selling. Instead of selling a concrete product like a hammer or hair curler, they sell utopian ideas. And most of their effort is lobbying government; using government and tax deductible donations.

  350. @Jack D
    @Anon

    Hoffe is some sort of anti-vaxx nutcase. He is against not only the Covid vaccine but all vaccines.


    https://childrenshealthdefense.eu/aiovg_videos/dr-charles-hoffe-explains-why-you-must-say-no-to-child-vaccination/

    He is spreading disinformation that is going to get people killed. His medical license should be pulled and probably will be. I don't know whether he is being paid by the Chinese or Satan or whom but what he is doing is sick. The widows and orphans of the people he will kill with his bad advice should sue his ass. It's one thing to be a random nutcase like the folks on Unz and it's another to be a licensed medical professional and dispense dangerous advice that your patients may rely upon.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489

    Replies: @Alden

    Thank you thank you thank you. 3 siblings got polio the summer before the polio vaccine was first given to all children in schools and dr offices. I spent 4 miserable weeks twice with measles and chicken pox. Mumps was not bad. Measles in kindergarten. Eyes hurt so much parents covered the windows with dark cloth and put a scarf over my eyes.

    About the polio. Only a month in the hospital. But exercises every day and swimming and therapy 6 days a week. That’s what Mom did for the next 6 years. Picked the kids up at school and then off to therapy or swimming. Saturday’s both therapy and swimming. They got polio in a swimming pool toddlers swim class. Lucky me, no polio in that same swimming pool a few years earlier when I took the same class.

    It was traumatic the first year. Parents were convinced the kids would end up totally crippled if they didn’t follow the 2 half hour exercise sessions at home every day plus swimming and therapy 6 days a week.

    Ah, the good old days. Usual pattern was 8 pregnancies, 2 miscarriages , 6 live births 2 or 3 kids dead by age 10 from everything from measles to diphtheria a horrible horrible disease that was only eradicated in the 1930s by a vaccine. Look at President Lincoln’s family. 4 boys, only one lived to adulthood. That was not unusual.

    Wombs are sterile. The sterile baby arrives in a filthy world of germs bacteria and viruses swarming to attack. Modern sanitation, clean tap water, hot water heaters, clean food regs and inspections was a great help to ensure babies will live.

    But even more important are vaccines. Measles can kill. Diphtheria usually kills. Few survive diphtheria.

    Suggestion for anyone really really interested in the vaccine controversy. Buy a nursing or med school pediatrics text book. And read about the lack of immunity for fetuses new born babies and kids up to 10. Buy a Friends of the Library card at your nearest university that has either a nursing or medical school. Read some histories of medicine. Diphtheria Scarlett fever whooping cough measles, all those deadly diseases the anti vaxx liberals laugh off as no worse than a bad cold.

    And stay away from the internet. Unless a licensed nurse or Dr lets you use his or her password to get into a real medical site.

    All my kids had a bad case of the flu sick for a week. One daughter didn’t recover. Took her to Dr. Dr said it’s just a really bad case of the flu. Friend with no medical knowledge whatsoever was a liberal. He was an attorney. He diagnosed her sight unseen as a potassium deficiency. Advised me to feed her lots of parsley. Back to the Dr . It was appendix. Not the burst kind that manifests itself obviously. The slow leak kind that isn’t obvious.

    Parsley for a slow leak appendix. Liberals and all their works and doings are detrimental to society.

    If you want medical information avoid liberals. Everything they advocate is wrong.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Alden


    And stay away from the internet. Unless a licensed nurse or Dr lets you use his or her password to get into a real medical site.
     
    The professional version of the Merck Manual is online and doesn't have a paywall. The science and medicine journals have generally put their COVID-19 items in front of their paywalls, although one of the big names like NEJM requires free registration. Lots of good and solid information to be found in all of these.

    Your essay on pre-modern medicine morbidity and mortality statistics is well taken; any good history professor starting with newbies will try to explain this and get across just how different things were back then. I'm younger than you, born after there were polio vaccines, but have Silent Generation parents who lived through the end of that whole period. That these idiots ... well, "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history."

    Replies: @Alden

    , @JMcG
    @Alden

    Alden, I’ve said it before, but you are a Pearl of great price. God bless you and keep you.

    Replies: @Alden

  351. @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    Actor Jay Pickett just died of a heart attack at age 60 whereas Bob Odenkirk survived one at at 58.

    When President Eisenhower suffered his heart attacks, that focused a great deal of attention on coronary artery disease, along with the post-mortem examination of our young men who died in the Korean War exhibiting the very early signs in the form of "fatty streaks" in their blood vessels.

    Yes, the lifetime effect of eating rich foods, elevated blood pressure and bad genetics. Only what "they" didn't tell you is that President Eisenhower had been a heavy cigarette smoker. Then there is fitness guru Bob Harper who had "family history."

    I agree with you that this hypothesis of the COVID vaccine releasing spike protein that clots up your lungs like a full-blown case of COVID is claimed to do and then putting strain on your heart is "weak tea" in skipping the vaccine, especially when COVID illness, especially the rapidly spreading Delta strain is a Clear and Present Danger.

    When Bernie Sanders suffers a heart attack on the campaign trail, the seriousness of which was downplayed, well, I guess old guys like him are at risk. When Bob Odenkirk and Jay Pickett experience this, one scratches one's head a little bit.

    Yes, the prevalence of coronary artery disease and symptoms in not-so-old-actors who look outwardly fit may not be all that unusual, and non-smokers get lung cancer and have to deflect the side glances that they sneaked smokes and didn't tell anybody.

    But is there anything atypical about these heart attacks? Did they have anything unusual in their pattern of blocked arteries? The COVID is said to be a blood and blood vessel disease -- as much as being a kind of real-life Andromeda Strain as to why my friend made a bee-line as soon as they lowered the eligibility beyond the 65-and-over group. The COVID vaccine possibly resulting in some symptoms of the disease is not a complete tin-foil-hat theory.

    The reason I bring this up here is that I was at least under the impression that inconvenient truths and departures from received wisdom can be discussed here on iSteve. I asked if there were reports of atypical heart attacks, not only the risk-factor profile but the pattern of the arterial blockages? My friend is a vaccine "believer" and is not going to go around telling people not to take it.

    Replies: @Alden, @anon

    Comedienne Kathy Griffith, ( loud mouth redhead, hates Trump) just had part of her lung removed She has lung cancer. She says she’s never smoked in her life. No one who knows her contradicts the statement.