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More from my review in Taki’s Magazine of Charles Murray’s Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in America:

Murray, however, has uncovered newly available arrest statistics from the Open Data Initiative by race (with Hispanics usually broken out) and type of crime for thirteen cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington, D.C.

For property crime, Murray finds, Latinos were arrested 1.5 times as often as whites, a modest difference especially considering the disparity in average age. My vague impression going back to the 1970s in the San Fernando Valley (a surprising number of my memories from that decade involve my long search for an uncuttable bicycle lock) is that Mexicans used to have a worse thievery problem than they do now.

Perhaps Mexicans have evolved cultural norms over time against burglary because so many are now employed working in homes and yards and they don’t want to tarnish their people’s reputation for being trustworthy enough to let onto your property?

If so, good for them.

Groups can sometimes change for the better, if they want to enough.

But nobody anymore asks blacks to do better.

Blacks in these thirteen cities were arrested for property offenses five times as often per capita as whites.

I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there. On other other hand, they also have a lot of white homeless bums who likely commit a lot of property crime.

Anybody know whether the Mexican property crime rate has improved since the 1970s in Southern California?

 
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  1. I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there.

    How can black lowlifes afford to live where white lowlifes can’t?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Dave Pinsen

    Section 8.

    Replies: @Rex Little

    , @donut
    @Dave Pinsen

    @Redneck farmer is right in Baltimore County it's mandatory for private apt. complexes to take in Section 8's . The apt complex I live in went from 99% white to majority black in the past few years . The maintenance staff has told me they are arrogant and demanding they "know their rights" .

    , @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    Blacks make neighborhoods (and especially government owned housing projects, some of which are now located on prime real estate) so dangerous and unpleasant to live in that even white lowlifes don't want to live there.

  2. @Dave Pinsen

    I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there.
     
    How can black lowlifes afford to live where white lowlifes can’t?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @donut, @Jack D

    Section 8.

    • LOL: bruce county
    • Replies: @Rex Little
    @Redneck farmer

    Section 8 isn't limited to blacks. I personally know two whites who use it, and several others who probably do (I don't know them well enough to be certain). Granted, they're not lowlifes, just seniors who are getting by on Social Security and little else.

  3. Most thieves are addicts. Lots of underclass whites – tons of them – are on meth and heroin. Mexicans are trafficking the drugs, whites are stealing to pay for a fix.

    Theft is a big problem where I live. It’s mostly whites and American Indians doing the stealing. The drug use seems to have gone way up over the last year. Lots of young mothers smoking meth, etc.

    Of all the problems the white working class has, I’ve come to see narcotics as the most serious. But politicians are essentially letting small-time dealers off the hook here. It’s disgusting.

    Low level dealers are where the cops should start. Throw their asses in jail, maybe cut them a break if they lead you to a bigger fish. If not, at least a year in prison for meth or opiates, more for fentanyl.

    Yes these people need to do time. A friend of mine got busted for trafficking when we were young and prison straightened him out. He’s making good money running his own legit business now. He thinks the liberal drug laws are incredibly stupid, and said that back in the day he would have fully exploited them.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Bill P

    Drugs uncivilize people. Even alcohol can do this.

    As to Mexican theft, a local cop told me they were behind the organized catalytic converter heists. Those aren't random petty thieves cutting pipes under cars, those are paid pros.

    Law-abiding, working Mexican Americans are themselves some of the biggest targets for theft. They tend to live in and among the thieves to keep the housing costs down, and pay a big price for it. Better policing would be a huge boon to poor, working Americans. In fact, I'd call safer neighborhoods the best pay raise Americans can get.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Bill P

    Now that marijuana is legal / decriminalized in certain areas perhaps the price has come down enough to where where it has impacted property theft rates. The impact is twofold. One, because it is a 'weed' it can be grown just about anywhere with very little effort. Second, stoners are not known for their aggressiveness. If they have enough pot to keep them stoned all the time they don't need much else.

  4. Btw, whatever stats-jiggering Ron Unz uses to prove Latinos aren’t a criminal problem doesn’t jibe with the reality of California prisons.

    Wes Watson is a popular white prison youtuber who describes his experiences in gen pop high security level yards in California prisons. The way the high level violent offender yards break down is that whites are aligned with Sureno Latinos and blacks are aligned with Norteno Latinos. But as Watson says, “Surenos are the biggest group in California prisons and they run shit, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. That’s the way it is.”

    • Troll: JohnPlywood
  5. Perhaps Mexicans have evolved cultural norms over time against burglary because so many are now employed working in homes and yards and they don’t want to tarnish their people’s reputation for being trustworthy enough to let onto your property?

    Another possibility is that as the Mexican commuities mature, there are more families with men of grandparents’ age. Elder men in a community who are not closely related to male adolescents have a big impact on the latters’ emotional development. (See the story about young male elephants running amok b/c hunters had killed all the elderly males.)

    I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there. On other other hand, they also have a lot of white homeless bums who likely commit a lot of property crime.

    Homeless people tend to be on the bottom of society’s pecking order, and as such, are often too afraid of losing their meager status to commit major crimes. Section 8 housing, OTOH, provides a growth environment for lowlifes with enough wherewithal to acquire weapons, illegal drug businesses, motive to become violent, and a sense of security that needs to be protected.

  6. I suggested that where Mexicans live apart from American negroes they are unlikely to form gangs or engage in negro social pathologies. Where they live adjacent to or are commingled with negroes they form gangs as self defense mechanism and become contaminated with negro behavior. I also see lower class whites adopting the behavior and appearance of negroes where they attend public schools with large percentages of negroes

  7. @Dave Pinsen

    I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there.
     
    How can black lowlifes afford to live where white lowlifes can’t?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @donut, @Jack D

    is right in Baltimore County it’s mandatory for private apt. complexes to take in Section 8’s . The apt complex I live in went from 99% white to majority black in the past few years . The maintenance staff has told me they are arrogant and demanding they “know their rights” .

  8. OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .

    https://www.rt.com/usa/526890-stlouis-couple-trial-protesters-guns/

    They plead guilty to harassment of a baying mob at their doorstep .

    • Replies: @anon
    @donut

    OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .

    Nah. You are confused.

    They pled to a couple of misdemeanors, for sure part of a negotiation. The male McCloskey gets to easily continue his bid for the US Senate, too.

    It would be nice to know who the guy / guys with the radios were that mingled with the peaceful protestors, but we won't find out.

    Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt.

    Replies: @donut

  9. I recall reading something about Latinos in NM and French-Canadians in the US having high crime rates around 1900 or 1890, or maybe it was 1880.

    I think it was something like, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, but wouldn’t if you discounted those two groups as being natives.

    It was HG Wells writing about his visit to America in 1904 and mentioning some authority.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @songbird


    "I think it was something like, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, but wouldn’t if you discounted those two groups as being natives."
     
    Ahh. Interesting.
  10. I find it difficult to believe that the ratio of Black to European for property crimes is only 2.7 in Baltimore. The ratio is much higher for homicides. Seems that there is indeed racial bias in policing

  11. @Bill P
    Most thieves are addicts. Lots of underclass whites - tons of them - are on meth and heroin. Mexicans are trafficking the drugs, whites are stealing to pay for a fix.

    Theft is a big problem where I live. It's mostly whites and American Indians doing the stealing. The drug use seems to have gone way up over the last year. Lots of young mothers smoking meth, etc.

    Of all the problems the white working class has, I've come to see narcotics as the most serious. But politicians are essentially letting small-time dealers off the hook here. It's disgusting.

    Low level dealers are where the cops should start. Throw their asses in jail, maybe cut them a break if they lead you to a bigger fish. If not, at least a year in prison for meth or opiates, more for fentanyl.

    Yes these people need to do time. A friend of mine got busted for trafficking when we were young and prison straightened him out. He's making good money running his own legit business now. He thinks the liberal drug laws are incredibly stupid, and said that back in the day he would have fully exploited them.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Prof. Woland

    Drugs uncivilize people. Even alcohol can do this.

    As to Mexican theft, a local cop told me they were behind the organized catalytic converter heists. Those aren’t random petty thieves cutting pipes under cars, those are paid pros.

    Law-abiding, working Mexican Americans are themselves some of the biggest targets for theft. They tend to live in and among the thieves to keep the housing costs down, and pay a big price for it. Better policing would be a huge boon to poor, working Americans. In fact, I’d call safer neighborhoods the best pay raise Americans can get.

  12. Percent of single mothers by race seems to be closely linked with crime stats. Black single parent homes are at around 65%, Latino at around 40%, and Whites at around 25%.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Frank McGar


    Percent of single mothers by race seems to be closely linked with crime stats. Black single parent homes are at around 65%, Latino at around 40%, and Whites at around 25%.
     
    You've finally gotten around to reading the Moynihan Report? And/or George Gilder?
  13. @Dave Pinsen

    I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there.
     
    How can black lowlifes afford to live where white lowlifes can’t?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @donut, @Jack D

    Blacks make neighborhoods (and especially government owned housing projects, some of which are now located on prime real estate) so dangerous and unpleasant to live in that even white lowlifes don’t want to live there.

  14. The Lincoln, Nebraska stat is interesting. You’d almost figure they would conform more in a place where they are such a small minority, something like 4%. But nope, the contrast with high trust midwesterners just brings out the worst in them it seems.

  15. anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:

    Note low ratio in Fayetteville NC — That is Fort Bragg area, where Military and related types are more
    like to have their stuff together.

  16. Purely anecdotally, there seems to a real growth in people who make money picking up stuff you leave in front of your house: metal scrappers, pickers, etc. A decade ago, most of these people seemed to be Mexican men, but now it’s spread to other groups. Sometimes actual thieves take advantage of this and pretend like they’re just pickers if you catch them taking something from your yard. It’s best to just play along and pretend like it was a mistake.

    Maybe many Mexican thieves have gone semi-legit.

  17. Several obvious reasons, not one of which we’re permitted to mention in polite company.

    Meanwhile insurance companies are permitted to charge male drivers more than females but they can’t discriminate on the basis of race even with data like these.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Hangnail Hans

    Men drive more miles than women, so yes, they will get into more crashes than women. One revealing thing about blacks is that they don't do as much dangerous high speed country road driving* as whites do, yet somehow blacks still manage to mangle themselves in car crashes.

    *Though I'd figure that the massive post-1990 suburban and exurban asteroid belt growth in the South, of which some blacks have partaken, has meant that some blacks are driving much longer distances than they did pre-1990. Outside the South, though, blacks are still in the cities and older inner suburbs.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Hangnail Hans

    I’m pretty sure that most blacks view seatbelts to be a form of white racism or systemic oppression. Kind of like a form of slave shackles or somesuch.

  18. Charles Murray is strongly in favor of these crimes, and strongly opposes any politician who tries to reduce crime. he openly says so himself. he’s a Democrat who votes Democrat and a member in good standing with the Ruling Party. he’s totally on the same team as BLM.

    i’ll keep posting this stuff as long as Steve posts about Murray. Steve can keep blocking the posts as is his right.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @prime noticer

    I am not familiar with your prior posts, but how in good faith can you say that Murray is “on the same team as BLM”? Murray is often viewed as a racist for his views (in case you have forgotten: https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/518667/), so how on earth is he in good standing with the ruling party???

    Please elaborate.

    Replies: @prime noticer

    , @TWS
    @prime noticer

    I wish I could read this comment too bad it's blocked. Probably interesting.

  19. . . . a desperately needed national conversation . . .

    Western society will never have such conversation. Imagine a national “town hall” on this topic:

    OK!
    We now know from the data that blacks really are more violent, and white supremacy is not to blame. Now, what can we do about it?

    That is not happening. Ever. Instead, we are going to live with this debilitating but non-fatal social illness* until the sun becomes a red giant, or until we evolve into the Eloi and the Morlocks, whichever occurs first. Our buddy John Derbyshire wrote a book on this subject, and he was right.

    * I almost wrote “this problem,” but that would have been wrong. Where there is no solution, there is no problem.

  20. My vague impression going back to the 1970s in the San Fernando Valley (a surprising number of my memories from that decade involve my long search for an uncuttable bicycle lock) is that Mexicans used to have a worse thievery problem than they do now.

    That’s not true where I live. Mexicans commit upwards of 85% of the property crimes in my city. They drove all the blacks out (including the Black Panther chapter) in the 1970’s.

    Also, they did not make the “Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Chain 1410 Chain Lock” in the 70’s. I have one to keep my bike from being stolen. You’d need a cutting torch, because bolt cutters won’t work on that lock.

    https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-chain-1410-chain-lock-922676?currency=5&delivery_country=191

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @petit bourgeois

    No need for a torch. A small 18V angle grinder will get the job done in under a minute.

    https://youtu.be/RI9SEThrJMY


    With bikes routinely costing several thousand bucks, a truly impenetrable lock would be worth a lot more than the $100 asking for that one.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @ThreeCranes
    @petit bourgeois

    When I was cycling in the Netherlands, I used to look over the bikes parked around the train station in downtown Amsterdam. Like all bike riders, I enjoy checking out other rider's rides. And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    There's no impregnable bike lock but a bike that not only doesn't call attention to itself, but actually looks like a piece of crap will be left in the rack. What thief wants something that can't be easily resold? Or looks like it needs a lot of work to spiff up?

    (spiff up? Now there's a phrase you don't encounter much anymore)

    Replies: @anon, @TomSchmidt

  21. @Bill P
    Most thieves are addicts. Lots of underclass whites - tons of them - are on meth and heroin. Mexicans are trafficking the drugs, whites are stealing to pay for a fix.

    Theft is a big problem where I live. It's mostly whites and American Indians doing the stealing. The drug use seems to have gone way up over the last year. Lots of young mothers smoking meth, etc.

    Of all the problems the white working class has, I've come to see narcotics as the most serious. But politicians are essentially letting small-time dealers off the hook here. It's disgusting.

    Low level dealers are where the cops should start. Throw their asses in jail, maybe cut them a break if they lead you to a bigger fish. If not, at least a year in prison for meth or opiates, more for fentanyl.

    Yes these people need to do time. A friend of mine got busted for trafficking when we were young and prison straightened him out. He's making good money running his own legit business now. He thinks the liberal drug laws are incredibly stupid, and said that back in the day he would have fully exploited them.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Prof. Woland

    Now that marijuana is legal / decriminalized in certain areas perhaps the price has come down enough to where where it has impacted property theft rates. The impact is twofold. One, because it is a ‘weed’ it can be grown just about anywhere with very little effort. Second, stoners are not known for their aggressiveness. If they have enough pot to keep them stoned all the time they don’t need much else.

  22. Are the Latins in NYC the same as in LA? NYC has many Puerto Rican’s and Dominicans, whileLA has Central Americans. Chicago,as I recall, is mostly Mexicans.

    What is the Latin population of DC, and does background make a difference? Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.

    • Replies: @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    Are the Latins in NYC the same as in LA?

    Are the Latins in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic the same as in Mexico and El Salvador?

    , @jon
    @TomSchmidt


    Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.
     
    Tucson and Urbana are the only two cities on the list where the Hispanic crime rate is below the White rate. Urbana is a fairly small city (Wikipedia has it at around 42,000, and the metro area at around 230,000) with a large college, so I assume the high White crime rate is related to having a disproportionately large population of 18-25 yr old White males. Tucson also has a big college (U of A), but it's a much larger city (520,000 city / 980,000 metro area), so I doubt that can skew it much. It's also very close to the border (about 1 hour's drive), which you would expect to mean a lot of gang/cartel overflow activity that would push up the Hispanic numbers. This website (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tucson/crime) makes Tucson sound like kind of a crime ridden cesspool - it says Tucson is safer than only 7% of American cities, and its well above the US average on all of the crime measures it tracks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  23. @Frank McGar
    Percent of single mothers by race seems to be closely linked with crime stats. Black single parent homes are at around 65%, Latino at around 40%, and Whites at around 25%.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Percent of single mothers by race seems to be closely linked with crime stats. Black single parent homes are at around 65%, Latino at around 40%, and Whites at around 25%.

    You’ve finally gotten around to reading the Moynihan Report? And/or George Gilder?

  24. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut
    OT : It's illegal to defend your property in the US .

    https://www.rt.com/usa/526890-stlouis-couple-trial-protesters-guns/

    They plead guilty to harassment of a baying mob at their doorstep .

    Replies: @anon

    OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .

    Nah. You are confused.

    They pled to a couple of misdemeanors, for sure part of a negotiation. The male McCloskey gets to easily continue his bid for the US Senate, too.

    It would be nice to know who the guy / guys with the radios were that mingled with the peaceful protestors, but we won’t find out.

    Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt.

    • Replies: @donut
    @anon

    How am I confused ? On Thursday, Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was given the maximum fine of $2,000. Her husband Mark pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and accepted the $750 fine. The handgun and the rifle that were seized from them will be destroyed, local media reported."

    "Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt. " No argument on that point .

    Replies: @anon

  25. @TomSchmidt
    Are the Latins in NYC the same as in LA? NYC has many Puerto Rican's and Dominicans, whileLA has Central Americans. Chicago,as I recall, is mostly Mexicans.

    What is the Latin population of DC, and does background make a difference? Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.

    Replies: @anon, @jon

    Are the Latins in NYC the same as in LA?

    Are the Latins in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic the same as in Mexico and El Salvador?

  26. jon says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Are the Latins in NYC the same as in LA? NYC has many Puerto Rican's and Dominicans, whileLA has Central Americans. Chicago,as I recall, is mostly Mexicans.

    What is the Latin population of DC, and does background make a difference? Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.

    Replies: @anon, @jon

    Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.

    Tucson and Urbana are the only two cities on the list where the Hispanic crime rate is below the White rate. Urbana is a fairly small city (Wikipedia has it at around 42,000, and the metro area at around 230,000) with a large college, so I assume the high White crime rate is related to having a disproportionately large population of 18-25 yr old White males. Tucson also has a big college (U of A), but it’s a much larger city (520,000 city / 980,000 metro area), so I doubt that can skew it much. It’s also very close to the border (about 1 hour’s drive), which you would expect to mean a lot of gang/cartel overflow activity that would push up the Hispanic numbers. This website (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tucson/crime) makes Tucson sound like kind of a crime ridden cesspool – it says Tucson is safer than only 7% of American cities, and its well above the US average on all of the crime measures it tracks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    The white murder rate tends to be highest in Old Wild West states like Arizona, Oklahoma, and Alaska, although not in northern ones like Montana.

    Replies: @Feryl, @PaceLaw

  27. @petit bourgeois

    My vague impression going back to the 1970s in the San Fernando Valley (a surprising number of my memories from that decade involve my long search for an uncuttable bicycle lock) is that Mexicans used to have a worse thievery problem than they do now.
     
    That's not true where I live. Mexicans commit upwards of 85% of the property crimes in my city. They drove all the blacks out (including the Black Panther chapter) in the 1970's.

    Also, they did not make the "Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Chain 1410 Chain Lock" in the 70's. I have one to keep my bike from being stolen. You'd need a cutting torch, because bolt cutters won't work on that lock.

    https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-chain-1410-chain-lock-922676?currency=5&delivery_country=191

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @ThreeCranes

    No need for a torch. A small 18V angle grinder will get the job done in under a minute.

    With bikes routinely costing several thousand bucks, a truly impenetrable lock would be worth a lot more than the $100 asking for that one.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Stan d Mute

    Damn. Granted, you need a vice to hold the chain. Now I'll have to worry about my own bike lock.

  28. @Hangnail Hans
    https://i.ibb.co/Ns2NcZK/Capture-2021-06-18-11-33-58-2.png

    Several obvious reasons, not one of which we're permitted to mention in polite company.

    Meanwhile insurance companies are permitted to charge male drivers more than females but they can't discriminate on the basis of race even with data like these.

    Replies: @Feryl, @PaceLaw

    Men drive more miles than women, so yes, they will get into more crashes than women. One revealing thing about blacks is that they don’t do as much dangerous high speed country road driving* as whites do, yet somehow blacks still manage to mangle themselves in car crashes.

    *Though I’d figure that the massive post-1990 suburban and exurban asteroid belt growth in the South, of which some blacks have partaken, has meant that some blacks are driving much longer distances than they did pre-1990. Outside the South, though, blacks are still in the cities and older inner suburbs.

  29. For property crime, Murray finds, Latinos were arrested 1.5 times as often as whites, a modest difference especially considering the disparity in average age.

    This is what RUnzie Baby predicted a decade ago in his ‘Hispanic Crime Series’.

    Of course, he wrote 50,000 words to say what could have been said in 50 words, which is :

    “Since the black crime rate is 8x that of whites, and the Mexican crime rate is about 1.5x that of whites after adjusting for age, gender balance, and the assimilation of US-born Mexicans (Chicanos), when Mexicans squeeze blacks out of certain neighborhoods, the total crime rate of the area goes down, and the place starts to ‘feel more safe’.”

  30. My understanding is that in the black areas of many listed cities, larceny is what might be referred to as stochastically legal; the knowledgeable thief has only the most negligible chance of being 1) caught AND 2) prosecuted successfully AND 3) imprisoned.

    It would seem plausible that the above conditions are much less prevalent in wealthier areas even within the same city. To the extent that is true, the actual black/white ratio may be severely understated if the data is gleaned from anything but victimization surveys.

  31. @Hangnail Hans
    https://i.ibb.co/Ns2NcZK/Capture-2021-06-18-11-33-58-2.png

    Several obvious reasons, not one of which we're permitted to mention in polite company.

    Meanwhile insurance companies are permitted to charge male drivers more than females but they can't discriminate on the basis of race even with data like these.

    Replies: @Feryl, @PaceLaw

    I’m pretty sure that most blacks view seatbelts to be a form of white racism or systemic oppression. Kind of like a form of slave shackles or somesuch.

  32. @prime noticer
    Charles Murray is strongly in favor of these crimes, and strongly opposes any politician who tries to reduce crime. he openly says so himself. he's a Democrat who votes Democrat and a member in good standing with the Ruling Party. he's totally on the same team as BLM.

    i'll keep posting this stuff as long as Steve posts about Murray. Steve can keep blocking the posts as is his right.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @TWS

    I am not familiar with your prior posts, but how in good faith can you say that Murray is “on the same team as BLM”? Murray is often viewed as a racist for his views (in case you have forgotten: https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/518667/), so how on earth is he in good standing with the ruling party???

    Please elaborate.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    @PaceLaw

    "how in good faith can you say that Murray is on the same team as BLM”

    "I'm on your side!" said the suburban life long democrat voter as the rock smashed thru his window, the BLM rioters having moved on from the city center and into the blue towns surrounding them. the "Fuck Trump" and "Defund the Police" and "Build bridges, not walls" signs in the yard had no effect on the mob's choice of targets.

    get it now, PaceLaw?

    Charles Murray is openly hostile to reducing violent crime, enforcing the law on Antifa or BLM, securing the border and preventing the US from becoming Brazil, and above all, he hates the idea of european peoples recognizing that they might have group interests, and organizing to pursue them. that's literally what his new book is about. trying to convince his fellow democrats to maybe not push so hard. Murray prefers the status quo. slow and steady decline, while he personally gets to stay in the good graces of polite society. Charles Murray hates the idea of white people not losing control of America. he's voted strongly in favor of that happening his entire life, like all these 60 year old guys who have voted straight Democrat ticket their entire life. where did they think this would end up? with Joe Rogan and James Carville and Charles Murray wondering, maybe i made a mistake voting D my entire life.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  33. Did all the effort to inform the American public of the South African experience help at all? IMO it was wasted effort and I won’t be making that same mistake again.

  34. @jon
    @TomSchmidt


    Tucson is downright interesting for Latin/White ratio.
     
    Tucson and Urbana are the only two cities on the list where the Hispanic crime rate is below the White rate. Urbana is a fairly small city (Wikipedia has it at around 42,000, and the metro area at around 230,000) with a large college, so I assume the high White crime rate is related to having a disproportionately large population of 18-25 yr old White males. Tucson also has a big college (U of A), but it's a much larger city (520,000 city / 980,000 metro area), so I doubt that can skew it much. It's also very close to the border (about 1 hour's drive), which you would expect to mean a lot of gang/cartel overflow activity that would push up the Hispanic numbers. This website (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tucson/crime) makes Tucson sound like kind of a crime ridden cesspool - it says Tucson is safer than only 7% of American cities, and its well above the US average on all of the crime measures it tracks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The white murder rate tends to be highest in Old Wild West states like Arizona, Oklahoma, and Alaska, although not in northern ones like Montana.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Steve Sailer

    Also, white murders tend to fall heavily into two categories: impulsive outbursts of aggressive but sometimes accidental lethality (e.g. a big punch sending someone's head careening into a bar counter top which then kills them,) versus simmering feuds boiling over into pre-meditated killing. I suspect the latter in particular to be more common in most of the Western states* as white "communities" and "families" seem to be weak there in comparison to other regions, white people in say Kentucky or Minnesota seem more peaceful and conscientious than the Western norm.

    *Since blacks are much more common in the Eastern US, the Eastern US will often do much worse on various measures of pathology (the Midwest in particular has a huge gulf between white and black norms). You have to adjust for race.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, why is that then??? Is it due to the milder Scandinavian types that settled Minnesota, Montana, Washington state and the other upper-northern regions of this country, as opposed to say the Irish and/or Scottish that settled the “Old Wild West”???

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  35. @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    The white murder rate tends to be highest in Old Wild West states like Arizona, Oklahoma, and Alaska, although not in northern ones like Montana.

    Replies: @Feryl, @PaceLaw

    Also, white murders tend to fall heavily into two categories: impulsive outbursts of aggressive but sometimes accidental lethality (e.g. a big punch sending someone’s head careening into a bar counter top which then kills them,) versus simmering feuds boiling over into pre-meditated killing. I suspect the latter in particular to be more common in most of the Western states* as white “communities” and “families” seem to be weak there in comparison to other regions, white people in say Kentucky or Minnesota seem more peaceful and conscientious than the Western norm.

    *Since blacks are much more common in the Eastern US, the Eastern US will often do much worse on various measures of pathology (the Midwest in particular has a huge gulf between white and black norms). You have to adjust for race.

  36. @songbird
    I recall reading something about Latinos in NM and French-Canadians in the US having high crime rates around 1900 or 1890, or maybe it was 1880.

    I think it was something like, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, but wouldn't if you discounted those two groups as being natives.

    It was HG Wells writing about his visit to America in 1904 and mentioning some authority.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    “I think it was something like, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, but wouldn’t if you discounted those two groups as being natives.”

    Ahh. Interesting.

  37. @petit bourgeois

    My vague impression going back to the 1970s in the San Fernando Valley (a surprising number of my memories from that decade involve my long search for an uncuttable bicycle lock) is that Mexicans used to have a worse thievery problem than they do now.
     
    That's not true where I live. Mexicans commit upwards of 85% of the property crimes in my city. They drove all the blacks out (including the Black Panther chapter) in the 1970's.

    Also, they did not make the "Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Chain 1410 Chain Lock" in the 70's. I have one to keep my bike from being stolen. You'd need a cutting torch, because bolt cutters won't work on that lock.

    https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-chain-1410-chain-lock-922676?currency=5&delivery_country=191

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @ThreeCranes

    When I was cycling in the Netherlands, I used to look over the bikes parked around the train station in downtown Amsterdam. Like all bike riders, I enjoy checking out other rider’s rides. And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    There’s no impregnable bike lock but a bike that not only doesn’t call attention to itself, but actually looks like a piece of crap will be left in the rack. What thief wants something that can’t be easily resold? Or looks like it needs a lot of work to spiff up?

    (spiff up? Now there’s a phrase you don’t encounter much anymore)

    • Replies: @anon
    @ThreeCranes

    And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    I gots a better one. Once upon a time I knew an art major, a real-deal picture-painting guy, who theft-proofed his bicycle by painting rust-colored stains on appropriate parts of the frame and a realistic looking crack on the seat tube. It looked like the kind of thing Goodwill would reject.

    When he dropped out, he did take the bike with him, so no pix.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @ThreeCranes

    The Chameleon XLE!

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/chameleon-xle/2859849

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  38. @PaceLaw
    @prime noticer

    I am not familiar with your prior posts, but how in good faith can you say that Murray is “on the same team as BLM”? Murray is often viewed as a racist for his views (in case you have forgotten: https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/518667/), so how on earth is he in good standing with the ruling party???

    Please elaborate.

    Replies: @prime noticer

    “how in good faith can you say that Murray is on the same team as BLM”

    “I’m on your side!” said the suburban life long democrat voter as the rock smashed thru his window, the BLM rioters having moved on from the city center and into the blue towns surrounding them. the “Fuck Trump” and “Defund the Police” and “Build bridges, not walls” signs in the yard had no effect on the mob’s choice of targets.

    get it now, PaceLaw?

    Charles Murray is openly hostile to reducing violent crime, enforcing the law on Antifa or BLM, securing the border and preventing the US from becoming Brazil, and above all, he hates the idea of european peoples recognizing that they might have group interests, and organizing to pursue them. that’s literally what his new book is about. trying to convince his fellow democrats to maybe not push so hard. Murray prefers the status quo. slow and steady decline, while he personally gets to stay in the good graces of polite society. Charles Murray hates the idea of white people not losing control of America. he’s voted strongly in favor of that happening his entire life, like all these 60 year old guys who have voted straight Democrat ticket their entire life. where did they think this would end up? with Joe Rogan and James Carville and Charles Murray wondering, maybe i made a mistake voting D my entire life.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @prime noticer

    No, I still don’t get it. Your irrational hatred of Charles Murray is indeed perplexing. You just throw out a bunch of curious allegations with no factual support whatsoever.

    Have you read Murray’s most recent book? Here’s an overview: https://www.takimag.com/article/a-book-without-an-audience/

  39. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    @petit bourgeois

    When I was cycling in the Netherlands, I used to look over the bikes parked around the train station in downtown Amsterdam. Like all bike riders, I enjoy checking out other rider's rides. And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    There's no impregnable bike lock but a bike that not only doesn't call attention to itself, but actually looks like a piece of crap will be left in the rack. What thief wants something that can't be easily resold? Or looks like it needs a lot of work to spiff up?

    (spiff up? Now there's a phrase you don't encounter much anymore)

    Replies: @anon, @TomSchmidt

    And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    I gots a better one. Once upon a time I knew an art major, a real-deal picture-painting guy, who theft-proofed his bicycle by painting rust-colored stains on appropriate parts of the frame and a realistic looking crack on the seat tube. It looked like the kind of thing Goodwill would reject.

    When he dropped out, he did take the bike with him, so no pix.

  40. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’d point out that the four big cities at the top of the list have high rents so they tend to have low white murder rates because white lowlifes can’t afford to live there. On other other hand, they also have a lot of white homeless bums who likely commit a lot of property crime.”

    The DC homeless population is overwhelmingly black.

  41. @prime noticer
    Charles Murray is strongly in favor of these crimes, and strongly opposes any politician who tries to reduce crime. he openly says so himself. he's a Democrat who votes Democrat and a member in good standing with the Ruling Party. he's totally on the same team as BLM.

    i'll keep posting this stuff as long as Steve posts about Murray. Steve can keep blocking the posts as is his right.

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @TWS

    I wish I could read this comment too bad it’s blocked. Probably interesting.

  42. @Redneck farmer
    @Dave Pinsen

    Section 8.

    Replies: @Rex Little

    Section 8 isn’t limited to blacks. I personally know two whites who use it, and several others who probably do (I don’t know them well enough to be certain). Granted, they’re not lowlifes, just seniors who are getting by on Social Security and little else.

  43. @anon
    @donut

    OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .

    Nah. You are confused.

    They pled to a couple of misdemeanors, for sure part of a negotiation. The male McCloskey gets to easily continue his bid for the US Senate, too.

    It would be nice to know who the guy / guys with the radios were that mingled with the peaceful protestors, but we won't find out.

    Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt.

    Replies: @donut

    How am I confused ? On Thursday, Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was given the maximum fine of $2,000. Her husband Mark pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and accepted the $750 fine. The handgun and the rifle that were seized from them will be destroyed, local media reported.”

    “Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt. ” No argument on that point .

    • Replies: @anon
    @donut

    How am I confused

    You wrote this...



    OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .
     
    ...and cited the McCloskey case. The confusion is obvious.
  44. @donut
    @anon

    How am I confused ? On Thursday, Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was given the maximum fine of $2,000. Her husband Mark pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and accepted the $750 fine. The handgun and the rifle that were seized from them will be destroyed, local media reported."

    "Two stupid lawyers LARPed on their front porch while other stupid people LARPed in the street. Fortunately no one got hurt. " No argument on that point .

    Replies: @anon

    How am I confused

    You wrote this…

    OT : It’s illegal to defend your property in the US .

    …and cited the McCloskey case. The confusion is obvious.

  45. @ThreeCranes
    @petit bourgeois

    When I was cycling in the Netherlands, I used to look over the bikes parked around the train station in downtown Amsterdam. Like all bike riders, I enjoy checking out other rider's rides. And once I came upon a lusterless gray steed that was completely devoid of ornament, flat paint on everything. But if you looked closely, you saw the best components, well oiled and shipshape.

    There's no impregnable bike lock but a bike that not only doesn't call attention to itself, but actually looks like a piece of crap will be left in the rack. What thief wants something that can't be easily resold? Or looks like it needs a lot of work to spiff up?

    (spiff up? Now there's a phrase you don't encounter much anymore)

    Replies: @anon, @TomSchmidt

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @TomSchmidt

    That's the ticket!

  46. @Stan d Mute
    @petit bourgeois

    No need for a torch. A small 18V angle grinder will get the job done in under a minute.

    https://youtu.be/RI9SEThrJMY


    With bikes routinely costing several thousand bucks, a truly impenetrable lock would be worth a lot more than the $100 asking for that one.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Damn. Granted, you need a vice to hold the chain. Now I’ll have to worry about my own bike lock.

  47. @prime noticer
    @PaceLaw

    "how in good faith can you say that Murray is on the same team as BLM”

    "I'm on your side!" said the suburban life long democrat voter as the rock smashed thru his window, the BLM rioters having moved on from the city center and into the blue towns surrounding them. the "Fuck Trump" and "Defund the Police" and "Build bridges, not walls" signs in the yard had no effect on the mob's choice of targets.

    get it now, PaceLaw?

    Charles Murray is openly hostile to reducing violent crime, enforcing the law on Antifa or BLM, securing the border and preventing the US from becoming Brazil, and above all, he hates the idea of european peoples recognizing that they might have group interests, and organizing to pursue them. that's literally what his new book is about. trying to convince his fellow democrats to maybe not push so hard. Murray prefers the status quo. slow and steady decline, while he personally gets to stay in the good graces of polite society. Charles Murray hates the idea of white people not losing control of America. he's voted strongly in favor of that happening his entire life, like all these 60 year old guys who have voted straight Democrat ticket their entire life. where did they think this would end up? with Joe Rogan and James Carville and Charles Murray wondering, maybe i made a mistake voting D my entire life.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    No, I still don’t get it. Your irrational hatred of Charles Murray is indeed perplexing. You just throw out a bunch of curious allegations with no factual support whatsoever.

    Have you read Murray’s most recent book? Here’s an overview: https://www.takimag.com/article/a-book-without-an-audience/

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    The white murder rate tends to be highest in Old Wild West states like Arizona, Oklahoma, and Alaska, although not in northern ones like Montana.

    Replies: @Feryl, @PaceLaw

    Well, why is that then??? Is it due to the milder Scandinavian types that settled Minnesota, Montana, Washington state and the other upper-northern regions of this country, as opposed to say the Irish and/or Scottish that settled the “Old Wild West”???

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PaceLaw

    Probably an Albion's Seed explanation. Montana is sort of a descendant of New England

  49. @PaceLaw
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, why is that then??? Is it due to the milder Scandinavian types that settled Minnesota, Montana, Washington state and the other upper-northern regions of this country, as opposed to say the Irish and/or Scottish that settled the “Old Wild West”???

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Probably an Albion’s Seed explanation. Montana is sort of a descendant of New England

  50. @TomSchmidt
    @ThreeCranes

    The Chameleon XLE!

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/chameleon-xle/2859849

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    That’s the ticket!

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