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Ten percent! Follow the science. You can’t argue with statistics.

Ma’Khia Bryant’s Journey Through Foster Care Ended With an Officer’s Bullet

The 16-year-old girl was fatally shot while threatening a young woman with a knife. She had spent two years shuttling among Ohio foster homes, hoping to return to her mother.

By Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs, Ellen Barry and Will Wright
May 8, 2021
Updated 1:35 p.m. ET

… To calm the furor, the Columbus police quickly released body camera footage, which showed some of the fight outside the house and, they said, demonstrated that the officer had acted to protect the other woman.

But Ms. Bryant’s tragic death was also preceded by a turbulent journey through the foster care system, which had cycled Ma’Khia through at least five placements in two years — after her own mother was found to be negligent — despite efforts by their grandmother to reunite the family.

Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10 percent higher than the national average, and child welfare officials here are considerably less likely than in the country as a whole to place children with their relatives. Black children, like Ma’Khia and her sister, account for nearly a third of children removed from homes — nearly twice their proportion in the population.

A review of Ma’Khia’s pathway through foster care shows that it failed her in critical ways.

Research has demonstrated that children fare far better when they remain with family members, a practice known as kinship care.

No doubt, but aren’t children who wind up in foster care more likely to have worse kin than average? After all, that’s why they are in foster care.

Obviously, the foster care system is full of terrible outputs, but then it also tends to be full of terrible inputs.

It also shows that each successive placement causes additional trauma, further setting back a child in crisis.

And the worse-behaved the child is, the more likely he or she is to shuttle from one foster home to another.

A spokeswoman for Franklin County Children Services, which had custody of the siblings, declined to comment on Ma’Khia’s case, citing confidentiality laws. Angela Moore, their foster mother at the time of Ma’Khia’s death, talked about the teenager and the events leading up to her death but did not respond later to detailed questions about the Bryant girls and their care.

This account is based on interviews with Ma’Khia’s family members and acquaintances, as well as court documents, and other case records that were provided by her mother’s lawyer.

So, you can trust that this New York Times news article will be totally unbiased.

This article appears to be the lawyer’s strategy for winning the Ghetto Lottery. The lawyer has evidently given up on getting a big payout from the police department. Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance. Instead, the plan seems now to get a big settlement from Franklin County Children Services on the grounds that, since black people have no agency and thus can’t be at fault ever, some taxpayer-funded organization must pay up.

The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds, Ma’Khia was removed from her mother’s home in 2018, and spent 16 months living with her grandmother Jeanene Hammonds.

This is not news fit to print in the New York Times, but Ma’Khia’s mother has twice been charged with domestic violence and her father has been charged eighteen times with various crimes.

Back to the NYT:

When her grandmother was kicked out by her landlord, the siblings went into foster care and spent two years cycling through short-term placements, arrangements that dissolved one after another.

It’s almost as if the stabby teen and her sister were a handful to care for.

To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.

For example, Ma’Khia’s father Myron Hammonds showed up 20 seconds before his daughter’s death and, right in front of police, kicked or as the NYT puts it “tried to kick” a young woman whom his daughter had knocked down in the head.

The NYT article doesn’t get around to mentioning this striking fact about the 16-year-old’s kin until its 76th paragraph:

As Ma’Khia charged, Ms. Craig-Watkins tumbled to the ground, and Ma’Khia’s father tried to kick her. Ma’Khia turned to Ms. Bonner and backed her up against a car.

Here’s security camera video showing the attacker’s father and his apparent role as an instigator of his daughter’s banzai charge:

Hammonds is the man in gray who pulls up in his car and walks up to a relatively calm-looking Ma’khia at 0:08 and possibly says something to her, after which she immediately goes berserk, attacks two young women, and is shot dead within ten seconds even as her kin kicks her first victim in the head.

Watching the security camera video very closely, it appears that at about 0:06 the first woman (in black) that Ma’Khia then attacked had dipped her head at Ma’Khia’s sister in white, perhaps spitting at her.

For some unfortunate individuals, who their kin are is a big part of their problems. Via Marginal Revolution from the American Economic Review:

The Effects of Parental and Sibling Incarceration: Evidence from Ohio

Samuel Norris, Matthew Pecenco, Jeffrey Weaver
AMERICAN ECONOMIC REVIEW (FORTHCOMING)

Abstract
Every year, millions of Americans experience the incarceration of a family member. Using 30 years of administrative data from Ohio and exploiting differing incarceration propensities of randomly assigned judges, this paper provides the first quasi-experimental estimates of the effects of parental and sibling incarceration in the US. Parental incarceration has beneficial effects on some important outcomes for children, reducing their likelihood of incarceration by 4.9 percentage points and improving their adult neighborhood quality. While estimates on academic performance and teen parenthood are imprecise, we reject large positive or negative effects. Sibling incarceration leads to similar reductions in criminal activity.

 

 
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  1. Yes, “stabby teen” is a great descriptor. You used it before and it uh, “cuts to the bone.”

    To formulate a thesis along iSteve lines:

    “It’s almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices.”

    I doubt the NYT will get around to discussing that.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    @Muggles

    Ma'khia would've eaten Ward Cleaver and June for dinner!

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @By-tor

    , @JimB
    @Muggles


    “It’s almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices.”
     
    If you follow the Cleaver Family saga carefully, you will note that the father is abusive, narcissistic, fairly lazy, and contemptuous of his sons while the Beaver is a pathological liar who dishonestly evades the consequences of his frequent bad choices. The Beav, who is dull witted and inarticulate, seems headed for skid row. But Wally, who takes after June’s side of the family, seems headed toward well adjusted adulthood, mainly for reasons of nature, not nurture.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    I just think it's great to see Ma'Knifey staying in the news.

    It's a great case. People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I'm one of the few so jaded i think "Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children's future".) But having normies view the video--a window into that world--does yeoman "reality check" work.

    People won't leave this exercise thinking "the problem" is "the police" or "white people". More likely "how do we get out from under this mess".

    Replies: @Rob McX

  2. The foster care census in New York is usually around 26,000, give or take. There are more than 4 million juveniles in New York. The foster care placement about which I’m most familiar was put into effect because the child was born shot through with cocaine (and later shown to have fetal alcohol syndrome to boot). The mother had another child 15 months later, which was not taken from her for whatever reason. The other child was then turned over to her (after some time in the residence of a random cousin of the sire). I cannot imagine how awful you have to be for your young to be put in an open-ended foster-care situation.

    And what they don’t tell you is that given other social metrics on the black population, a difference in the propensity to have dealings with institutional social control is quite unremarkable and less than expected when the odds ratio falls below 7-to-1.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Art Deco

    If Social Workers know that a Court won't award Custody of a drug using Single Mother's children to the Father, then they'll feel free to put the kid[s] into Foster Care.
    Perhaps it even works out okay once in a while, but most of the time "stuff" is gonna happen there.
    30 year old Pinkie and the woman that got kicked in the head, they weren't predatory lesbians, by any chance?
    Otherwise, what was it all about?

    , @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco

    You can't have a sane social welfare policy when our "intellectuals", the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as "the discredited theory eugenics".


    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids--to be supported by the taxpayers--or ... you'll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Sean, @Art Deco

  3. “while holding a knife”

    How about “wielding a knife”? Or “attempting to commit murder”?

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Gilbert Ratchet


    How about “wielding a knife”? Or “attempting to commit murder”?
     
    "Acting out a scene from 'Scarface' in real life"?
  4. So families that fail at every rational function of family life have more kids in foster homes.
    This is news?

  5. “while threatening a young woman with a knife”

    That’s right. As the video clearly shows, she stood three yards away from the girl in pink, brandishing the knife and shouting “do you want some then?“.

    If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @interesting
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike"

    AND that is exactly what did happen.

    What I find odd in all this is.......where's the interview from the girl in pink who was almost stabbed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @joe_mama, @Alden

    , @Polistra
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Also noticed:

    As Ma’Khia charged, Ms. Craig-Watkins tumbled to the ground, and Ma’Khia’s father tried to kick her.
     

    Steve noticed the "tried to kick" but I noticed "tumbled to the ground" -- how the Establishment Media continues to struggle with the Dilemma of Agency.

    The semi-white girl who was getting "charged" and kicked in the head by the Numinous Ones did show agency: she tumbled to the ground all by herself.

    , @Mr Mox
    @YetAnotherAnon

    If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    We must not believe our lying eyes, but instead trust a twit(ter) from NYT:


    Since Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, was fatally shot by a police officer in Columbus, Ohio while holding a knife...
     
    She was only holding a knife. Perhaps Miss Bryant wanted to show (instead of shove) the knife to Miss Pink?
    , @WJ
    @YetAnotherAnon

    While you are being sarcastic, there are many on that side that firmly believe that version.

    Considering the lack of gratitude of the girl in pink, I would say ya'll can fight if I were a white cop observing two black people fighting.

  6. The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds

    No occupation listed for dad.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Goingblankagain


    No occupation listed for dad.
     



    When I tried to check the story all that the pull down menu would let me select was, “Aspiring Rap Star”.
    , @tyrone
    @Goingblankagain

    "No occupation listed for dad".....plaintiff.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Colin Wright
    @Goingblankagain

    'No occupation listed for dad.'

    Being black.

    It's a full-time job. Look at his record.

    The irony is that we've largely made this race from hell. Sixty years ago they were bad -- but not this bad.

    Then we decided to help.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    , @Redman
    @Goingblankagain

    Myron Hammonds, original gangster.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Goingblankagain

    Lol. I noticed that, too.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Goingblankagain

    He still managed to roll up to the fight in a gold Lexus though.

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Goingblankagain

    Myron Hammonds's occupation: Jackass of all trades.

  7. I just want to wish you all a Happy “Rush Limbaugh Day!”

  8. Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    • Replies: @Discordiax
    @JohnnyWalker123

    From the same sources, Gates dumps Epstein in about 2015 (Epstein reported as complaining that Gates won't return his calls.)

    , @Too Long Didn't Read
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What does Off Topic mean to you?

    , @Clyde
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.
     
    I doubt it.

    As far as Ma'K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons. This must be why the Psychiatrist's big organization is absolving them of all blame these days.
    Steve, thanks for more analysis on the never ending saga of Ma'K the Knife. Like old man river, just keeps rolling along.

    How come Da Knife's father has has not been arrested?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Judging from the timing off all these Gates-Epstein publicity posts hitting the media, Gates certainly is being blackmailed by his enraged wife and her equally nasty divorce lawyer. These posts look suspiciously like Melinda and the lawyer are behind them, and they are using them as a method to shake as much money out of Bill as possible and ruin him in public.

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn't hesitate to fight dirty. She's likely thinking, "Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff's cash. I'll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I'm done, and I'll HAVE IT ALL."

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @Getaclue, @Clyde

    , @Alexander Turok
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Establishing a social norm whereby merely being friends with someone who had plead guilty to some crime like soliciting underage prostitutes is reason for a witch hunt, well, that will never rebound to harm ordinary men. No, just like #MeToo as a whole, what started targeting the elite will always target the elite. Join the media I mean populist crusade!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  9. The thing where they’re capitalizing “Black” now is so childish and distracting. They should just start writing it in all caps. I think that would actually be less annoying. And if capitalizing the word is a blow against White Supremacy, then how much moreso would be capitalizing the WHOLE word?

    Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10% percent higher than the national average. The share of BLACK children removed from homes is more than double their share of the population.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Hockamaw

    LOL.

    This capitalizing the initial "b" in "black" is so stupid. It just reinforces the caste difference between blacks and non-blacks. Every ten years, black Americans get another name change.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  10. Waiting for the paper, “Negative Societal Outcomes From Declining Child Mortality”.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Redneck farmer

    Ha ha. Psychologists have enthused about dead babies for decades. Freud noted sex is risky when all your children will survive infancy and the men of olde were fortunate because half their spawn died young.

  11. Some are born to thughood, some aspire to it … and some embrace it with both arms and do their best to live down to all of the stereotypes.

  12. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    No one is better at making the case for seperation than the left.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  13. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    No occupation listed for dad.

    When I tried to check the story all that the pull down menu would let me select was, “Aspiring Rap Star”.

  14. Obviously, the [public education] system is full of terrible outputs, but then it also tends to be full of terrible inputs.

    The public school system fails even though it tends to be full of non-terrible inputs. The non-terrible outputs are either self-motivated or taught after dinner by their pre-exhausted parents.

    The government is a content generator like none other. Its system of foster care is just as crappy as its system of public education.

    • Agree: Spect3r
  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1390472663500562432

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1390914642025844738

    https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1170741290474057735

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183090952748986368

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    Replies: @Discordiax, @Too Long Didn't Read, @Clyde, @Anon, @Alexander Turok

    From the same sources, Gates dumps Epstein in about 2015 (Epstein reported as complaining that Gates won’t return his calls.)

  16. @YetAnotherAnon
    "while threatening a young woman with a knife"

    That's right. As the video clearly shows, she stood three yards away from the girl in pink, brandishing the knife and shouting "do you want some then?".

    If she'd been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    Replies: @interesting, @Polistra, @Mr Mox, @WJ

    “If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike”

    AND that is exactly what did happen.

    What I find odd in all this is…….where’s the interview from the girl in pink who was almost stabbed?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @interesting

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman, @Achilleus, @Anonymous

    , @joe_mama
    @interesting

    She's probably just as appalled and upset about the white policeman murdering her 'friend'.

    , @Alden
    @interesting

    She’s hiding out because of death threats.

  17. This whole situation is an unfortunate mess that I don’t think anybody with power will do anything about or learn from.

    Why is anybody surprised that black kids are in foster care at such a high rate when their parents are poor and troubled at a much higher rate? Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I have to wonder why the grandmother was kicked out of her apartment. She would have had extra money for taking care of her grandchildren so I am thinking it wasn’t nonpayment of rent. Could it have been for things like noise and damage to the apartment? Oh, I wonder?

    These kids’ abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job. Are her children even going to be employable?

    Is anybody else surprised that her mother still works in a nursing home? How could she not be fired and blackballed in Columbus nursing homes now that she is known to be a child abuser?

    • Replies: @anon
    @notsaying

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    https://media.tenor.com/images/41cd4a462c8d1d51fc424bcee704c461/tenor.gif

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Jmaie
    @notsaying


    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to...
     
    Heh, thanks for the chuckle. Those who need such classes aren't renowned for excellence in learnin' and those who don't...don't.

    Replies: @notsaying

    , @jsm
    @notsaying


    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?
     
    We used to. I took it. It was called "Family Living and Child Development." But No Child Left Behind caused the funding for such things to be diverted to "closing the Achievement Gap." So, good use of funds, Dept. of Ed!
    , @NY Girl
    @notsaying


    These kids’ abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job.
     
    I didn't read the underlying article, but a few things come to mind:

    1. Just because she says she is a nursing assistant, doesn't mean she is.
    2. Just because she held a nursing assistant job for three consecutive days back in 1982, doesn't mean she's one now.
    3. Generally, these positions are usually filled by fat Jamaicans and thin Filipinas. Maybe a half-step above working at Mickey D's, but just barely.
    4. In the unlikely event she is still actively employed, it says more about the (lack of) availability of Jamaicans and Filipinas, along with the (lack of) ability of the patients to coherently complain about the piss-poor treatment, than it does to her actual job skills, which no doubt rival her (lack of) parenting skills.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

  18. A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    • Agree: Clyde, Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Altai


    Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.
     
    In this case it would be a big resource commitment to feed merely that one. She may have taken one of those jumbo doritos sacks along when she sat on the toilet.
    , @John Johnson
    @Altai

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders.

    Well this happens all the time with welfare.

    When women are just looking to get knocked up they don't pick stable men with long term prospects.

    The government is basically paying thugs and White trash to have kids.

    , @ziggurat
    @Altai

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds


    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.
     

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    Replies: @Polistra, @JR Ewing, @Elli, @ginger bread man

    , @Lurker
    @Altai

    Were a lot of these kids Gypsies and not 'Romanian'?

    , @Stan Adams
    @Altai

    Recently I was reading the sad story of the Juman family, who in the mid-1960s adopted a young boy through the prestigious Louise Wise agency in New York. The adoptive parents were told that the mother was a bright young college student who conceived a baby out of wedlock while in mourning for her dead fiancé. It turned out that the mother was a lobotomized schizophrenic and that the father was also a mental patient. The boy developed debilitating schizophrenia in his late teens and eventually committed suicide.

    Louise Wise conspired with the mother's relatives to hide the truth from the son and his adoptive family up to and after his death.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/14/magazine/what-the-jumans-didn-t-know-about-michael.html

    , @Gordo
    @Altai

    Gypsy?

  19. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1390472663500562432

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1390914642025844738

    https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1170741290474057735

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183090952748986368

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    Replies: @Discordiax, @Too Long Didn't Read, @Clyde, @Anon, @Alexander Turok

    What does Off Topic mean to you?

  20. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    This whole situation is an unfortunate mess that I don't think anybody with power will do anything about or learn from.

    Why is anybody surprised that black kids are in foster care at such a high rate when their parents are poor and troubled at a much higher rate? Is there a reason we don't have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I have to wonder why the grandmother was kicked out of her apartment. She would have had extra money for taking care of her grandchildren so I am thinking it wasn't nonpayment of rent. Could it have been for things like noise and damage to the apartment? Oh, I wonder?

    These kids' abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job. Are her children even going to be employable?

    Is anybody else surprised that her mother still works in a nursing home? How could she not be fired and blackballed in Columbus nursing homes now that she is known to be a child abuser?

    Replies: @anon, @Jmaie, @jsm, @NY Girl

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    • LOL: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon


    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?
     
    I think that this would be a great idea. Home ec nudged young women to think about these things, and schools used to be more involved in helping kids navigate adolescence via quasi-mandatory school dances and the like, where you learned things like meatspace communication skills with actual members of the opposite sex in the flesh.

    Sex education might be a good place to park this. They could make space and time for it by getting rid of the LGBT stuff and the anal masturbation how-to's, etc.

    For boys, just having an opportunity to have gainfully employed, married-with-children men from the neighborhood talk with them is valuable, and I don't mean the ex-gangster-gone-right thing. I remember fathers from the neighborhood helping with Christmas decorations, fathers of youth group members, backpack trips with some fathers, the local men's group annual fund-raising festival. You had lots of potential role models, saw different jobs, had the occasion to talk.

    Charles Murray says the two main things you need to sort out in life is finding your spouse and finding your vocation/job/career. School should probably involved things that help you in these two activities more than they do, giving you the tools to accomplish both in the future ... or heck, for some people marrying in high school and getting a vocational-type job during high school might be best.
  21. When I think about how the New York Times — even if it wasn’t quite my ideological cup of tea — used to be a responsible, intelligent newspaper one could rely on to a certain extent, and when I look at the rag it’s become now, it fills me with a kind of impotent fury.

    …and it’s happened not just at the New York Times, but everywhere. The Los Angeles Times — also a fine paper once upon a time — runs articles implicitly approving of the firebombing of disagreeably reactionary churches. I’m genuinely at a loss as to how to completely account for it.

    In a weird way, it’s like those demonizing-the-Nazis paradigms that imply space aliens or something took over the brains of all Germans between 1933 and 1945. Something like this seems to have occurred to the ‘progressive’ half of America…but how?

    • Agree: ic1000, Paleo Retiree
    • Replies: @gent
    @Colin Wright


    something took over the brains of all Germans between 1933 and 1945. Something like this seems to have occurred to the ‘progressive’ half of America…but how?
     
    What's happening here is not analogous to Hitler's reaction in the thirties but to the communist civil war in Germany in the 20s.
  22. @Muggles
    Yes, "stabby teen" is a great descriptor. You used it before and it uh, "cuts to the bone."

    To formulate a thesis along iSteve lines:

    "It's almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices."


    I doubt the NYT will get around to discussing that.

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @JimB, @AnotherDad

    Ma’khia would’ve eaten Ward Cleaver and June for dinner!

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    But Eddie Haskell would have pimped her out to the local Kiwanis.

    , @By-tor
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    Perhaps not for an entire dinner entree, but merely having them as an appetizer by snacking on body extremities as did one Chicagoan named Elijah Rule Hill:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9547121/Chicago-man-28-bites-chunks-husband-wifes-EARS-brutal-attack.html

    https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-attack-fernwood-timothy-johnson-renee/10595629/

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/06/elijah-rule-hill-prince-chicago-bites-ears-gouges-eyes/

  23. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1390472663500562432

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1390914642025844738

    https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1170741290474057735

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183090952748986368

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    Replies: @Discordiax, @Too Long Didn't Read, @Clyde, @Anon, @Alexander Turok

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    I doubt it.

    As far as Ma’K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons. This must be why the Psychiatrist’s big organization is absolving them of all blame these days.
    Steve, thanks for more analysis on the never ending saga of Ma’K the Knife. Like old man river, just keeps rolling along.

    How come Da Knife’s father has has not been arrested?

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @Clyde


    As far as Ma’K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons.
     
    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.

    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they're wrong.

    Replies: @Clyde

  24. @Hockamaw
    The thing where they’re capitalizing “Black” now is so childish and distracting. They should just start writing it in all caps. I think that would actually be less annoying. And if capitalizing the word is a blow against White Supremacy, then how much moreso would be capitalizing the WHOLE word?

    Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10% percent higher than the national average. The share of BLACK children removed from homes is more than double their share of the population.
     

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    LOL.

    This capitalizing the initial “b” in “black” is so stupid. It just reinforces the caste difference between blacks and non-blacks. Every ten years, black Americans get another name change.

    • Agree: Female in FL
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Paperback Writer

    This capitalizing the initial “b” in “black” is so stupid. It just reinforces the caste difference between blacks and non-blacks. Every ten years, black Americans get another name change.

    Blacks are a racial group and so are Whites which means they are proper nouns.

    The stupid part is capitalizing for Blacks but not Whites but that is now the standard for mainstream media.

  25. Hey, NY Times: it’s nature baby, nature. Nature over nurture.

    Violence is part of her nature, but you’ll get a bunch of white folks who think great nurturing would “un-nature” her.

    Trace the family history: it’s not that she learned violence from her family. It’s that she shares their biological traits.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  26. Let me summarize, failure of the foster care system is why we need to replace police with social workers

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Dr. DoomNGloom


    Let me summarize, failure of the foster care system is why we need to replace police with social workers.
     
    Good observation.

    Of course, they would argue: if only such social services were "fully funded"! "Fully funded" meaning "funded with everything you have".
  27. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    In this case it would be a big resource commitment to feed merely that one. She may have taken one of those jumbo doritos sacks along when she sat on the toilet.

  28. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    “No occupation listed for dad”…..plaintiff.

    • LOL: Yancey Ward
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @tyrone

    Er... defendant...

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

  29. • Replies: @Alden
    @curtis dunkel

    Thanks I remember the case. If I’ve done nothing else in my life I put some of those animals in cages for a few years and kept women safe till they were released.

  30. Racist White people in Times Square brazenly interrupt black dispute and gunfire.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9557921/Two-people-including-toddler-shot-Times-Square-broad-daylight.html

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @CCZ

    He will turn out to be the only guy in New York City which literally no one recognizes.

  31. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    ‘No occupation listed for dad.’

    Being black.

    It’s a full-time job. Look at his record.

    The irony is that we’ve largely made this race from hell. Sixty years ago they were bad — but not this bad.

    Then we decided to help.

    • Agree: Mark G., Polistra, Rob McX
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Colin Wright

    The Great Society has done great damage to an already damaged black population.

    The worst enemy of the black race is the white liberal.

  32. Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs

    He should shorten his name to Bogus.

  33. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    Myron Hammonds, original gangster.

  34. Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs as reporter’s name is worthy of Waugh.

    • Agree: Lurker
  35. Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10% percent higher than the national average. The share of Black children removed from homes is more than double their share of the population.

    It’s a Stolen Generation! I predict efforts to rectify this problem will end well for all concerned

  36. Godammit, it doesn’t matter how White I look! I’m still BIPOC!

    Brett Chapman

    I hate blood quantum. Its genocide by paper. Fractions and color don’t define Native American identity—sovereignty and kinship systems do. This is my grandma and my daughter. Grandma was “full blood” (1/2 Pawnee, 1/2 Kiowa). She loved her granddaughter fully, not just 1/8 of her!

  37. Sean says:

    Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance.

    With the deliberate shooting dead of a 16 year old girl now being held up as an exemplary way to handle a situation such as that was, you won’t have long to wait for the second such occurrence, rely on it.

    Idaho cop suspended for TikTok video mocking LeBron James
    https://www.hitc.com › en-gb › 2021/04/30 › cop-susp…
    30 Apr 2021 — Following the death of Ma’Khia, a 16-year-old girl who was shot dead by a police office in Ohio, the basketball star tweeted a photo of a police …

    One week without pay, then back at work half a mil richer courtesy of a GoFundMe, well deserved because Idaho cops know so much about how to deal with blacks.

    To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.

    He stood between his daughter and fat girl, which suggests he was trying to stop anything starting, but stepped away as Officer Reardon came on the scene. Bryant did not as far as as I know have a criminal record, she had been insulated from contact with law enforcers, cared for and doubtless over indulged by the system; how very naïve of her. Her father’s greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk when he saw a white cop. It would have went something like this: “Because you are big and black , the white po-lise will deal with you as if you are a man rather than a 16 year old girl”.

    • Replies: @gent
    @Sean

    Don't want to get shot? Don't try to filet people.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Jack D
    @Sean

    Act like a girl and the police will treat you like a girl.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @gandydancer
    @Sean


    He stood between his daughter and fat girl...
     
    You are a liar. The link to the "security camera" video is in the article, but I'll repeat it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnLeKhh_z8 At no point does Hammonds stand between Stabby Girl and the woman he kicked.

    Her father’s greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk...
     
    All he really needed to say was "Don't try to stab someone to death right in front of a cop", but that's wisdom that Kicker obviously didn't possess.

    As many have observed, that he's not in jail again is the most obvious scandal about this incident.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @The Plutonium Kid
    @Sean

    What exactly would a black person have to do before you'd concede that a police shooting was justified?

    Replies: @Sean

  38. Anon[435] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is the New York Times doing an all-in three-byline, three-contributor article on an evergreen local Ohio city beat story that has no news hook other than a tangential connection to a local Ohio crime and no New York nexus?

    A quick Google reveals that there are plenty of local foster care problems that the NYT could cover, including predator foster parents who abuse kids, documented in lawsuits and covered by other New York papers in 2020, and the decimation of NYC foster care reforms by de Blasio, blamed on the pandemic, covered by local fishwrappers last year also.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @Anon

    The Times is doing this because this incident has the power to screw up their Narrative. What they want is to use the murder (as they see it) of George Floyd as the paradigm case of police versus blacks, with the Ma'K incident as a more ambiguous version that should be understood by looking to the paradigm. That is, it's just another dreadful case of the police shooting a black person.

    However, the Ma'K incident is so over the top in terms of what the average person experiences -- How many of us have ever seen a 16-year-old girl try to stab another girl with a big knife? -- that it doesn't work very well. What the Times is worried about is the emergence of what could be considered a counter-narrative that says that the Ma'K incident is the paradigm case, with the George Floyd case as a more ambiguous version that should be understood by looking to the paradigm. That is, both cases are examples of blacks being out of control. The problem isn't the police and, more broadly, white America. The problem is black America.

    The Times seems rather desperate, actually.

  39. @interesting
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike"

    AND that is exactly what did happen.

    What I find odd in all this is.......where's the interview from the girl in pink who was almost stabbed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @joe_mama, @Alden

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    The girl in pink told Africa-cop what happened in his body cam footage. It was kind of a leading-quesiton interview, but still.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Steve Sailer

    This reminds me of Botham Jean’s next-door neighbor whose role as a witness against Amber Guyger got his ass killed. Someone who had an old score to settle suddenly knew where he lived.

    Pinky’s motto: Don’t get involved.

    , @Achilleus
    @Steve Sailer

    She, or whoever is advising her, may be the smartest person I’ve seen in a long time.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    Check out some of the damning details about the family which USA Today covered that the NYT's soft-pedaled or omitted;

    "The agency began a plan aimed at reuniting the children with their mother, but its filings with the court indicate the mother repeatedly failed to comply with the plan, which included mental-health counseling, or even to consistently show up for scheduled visitations with Ma'Khia and her sister.

    The files contain repeated references to the father not responding to outreach by the court and "refusing involvement with the agency."

    In December 2019, Children Services became so concerned about what they deemed to be emotionally damaging interactions between the mother and her daughters that the agency filed a motion "requesting an order from the court to suspend Paula Bryant's visitation for now."

    A month later, in January 2020, the agency filed a motion seeking permanent custody of the girls, a request that was still pending with the court at the time of Ma'Khia's death."

    ....

    "The placement of the children with the grandmother, known as kinship care, lasted about 16 months, until the summer of 2019. At that point, Children Services reported that conflict between the grandmother Hammonds and the mother "has been a barrier to mother's ability to focus on services," and transferred the children to foster care.

    In a later filing with the court, Children Services said Hammonds "consistently indicated she did not want to take custody," had lost her housing and "subsequently dropped the children and their siblings off at the agency.

    But in December 2019, Hammonds filed a handwritten motion with the court asking for custody, saying the children had done well in her home and that the separation of the siblings in foster care "has caused a great deal of emotional and mental stress."

    Children Services never returned the children to her, telling the court that Hammonds "does not understand the children's special needs" and had "failed to facilitate counseling for the children when she had placement.""

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/05/04/juvenile-court-records-makhia-bryant-foster-care/4941073001/

    Also, the NYT's implies that police did nothing when Ma'Khia's younger sister called them in March, demanding to leave the home and threatening to kill someone if she had to stay. In fact, they transported her to a children's hospital for a psychological evaluation. Perhaps the foster care system failed to follow-up, as she remained at the home. But the Times implies that the police were at fault. The source below has a link to the police report;

    https://www.thesussireport.com/reports/haunting/revelations-at-foster-care-home-where-makhia-bryant-lived

    Replies: @Polistra

  40. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders.

    Well this happens all the time with welfare.

    When women are just looking to get knocked up they don’t pick stable men with long term prospects.

    The government is basically paying thugs and White trash to have kids.

  41. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    Let me summarize, failure of the foster care system is why we need to replace police with social workers

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Let me summarize, failure of the foster care system is why we need to replace police with social workers.

    Good observation.

    Of course, they would argue: if only such social services were “fully funded”! “Fully funded” meaning “funded with everything you have”.

  42. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    NYT: Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10% percent higher than the national average.

    Steve: Ten percent! Follow the science. You can’t argue with statistics.

    If I’m correct, a ten percent difference is about a quarter of a standard deviation. Implying that this is some sort of giant variance from normal is an example of innumeracy on the part of the writers, and you’d think that this is embarassing enough that an editor would have deleted it.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Jeff
    @Anon

    Kind of depends on what influence the paper hopes to leave on its readers...

  43. @Paperback Writer
    @Hockamaw

    LOL.

    This capitalizing the initial "b" in "black" is so stupid. It just reinforces the caste difference between blacks and non-blacks. Every ten years, black Americans get another name change.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    This capitalizing the initial “b” in “black” is so stupid. It just reinforces the caste difference between blacks and non-blacks. Every ten years, black Americans get another name change.

    Blacks are a racial group and so are Whites which means they are proper nouns.

    The stupid part is capitalizing for Blacks but not Whites but that is now the standard for mainstream media.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @interesting

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman, @Achilleus, @Anonymous

    The girl in pink told Africa-cop what happened in his body cam footage. It was kind of a leading-quesiton interview, but still.

  45. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    Lol. I noticed that, too.

  46. @Steve Sailer
    @interesting

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman, @Achilleus, @Anonymous

    This reminds me of Botham Jean’s next-door neighbor whose role as a witness against Amber Guyger got his ass killed. Someone who had an old score to settle suddenly knew where he lived.

    Pinky’s motto: Don’t get involved.

  47. Whoa, careful there, Matty. You wouldn’t want the Republicans to start doubting the virtues of a country with a BIPOC majority…

    Matthew Yglesias

    The Labour Party seems like a shambles but ask yourself how Democrats would be doing if the electorate were 85-90 percent white and the Republicans supported universal health care.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1391115924569198596

  48. Did anyone else catch that sentence in the second NYT’s Twitter post wherein they admitted that “Research shows that children fare better when remaining with family”?

    If the NYT is conceding that point, would it wrinkle their brains to suggest that the optimal situation is to advise families to pursue that situation in the first place? I know they’re talking about foster families in that post, but wouldn’t a stable biological family serve that purpose even better?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Rob Lee

    The purpose of the foster home system isn’t to create an ideal society for kids to grow up in. It’s to rescue kids in dangerous parent homes and board them out in reasonably safe normal homes. In practical terms, it’s a repair department

    Reading between the lines, it appears mama Bryant was a child beater whose 4 kids were removed after being physically abused Which is different from spanking. Grandma Bryant was paid by the county to provide a home for the kids; a relative foster home placement. Grandma Bryant must have massively screwed up to be evicted. The main reason to be evicted is non payment of rent for months. Neighbors complaints , late rent payments and damage isn’t enough. And remember, grandma Bryant produced mama Bryant who produced knife girl. At least knife girl hadn’t reproduced yet.

    Used to be that only married couples could be foster parents. Idea was single foster moms were bad Married foster couples were good. But the girls in foster homes kept getting pregnant by the foster fathers.

    In America, problem is enormous because the parents, foster parents social workers and kids are mostly black and brown. So much for Hispanic family values.

    Replies: @Alden

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @interesting

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman, @Achilleus, @Anonymous

    She, or whoever is advising her, may be the smartest person I’ve seen in a long time.

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  50. JimB says:
    @Muggles
    Yes, "stabby teen" is a great descriptor. You used it before and it uh, "cuts to the bone."

    To formulate a thesis along iSteve lines:

    "It's almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices."


    I doubt the NYT will get around to discussing that.

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @JimB, @AnotherDad

    “It’s almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices.”

    If you follow the Cleaver Family saga carefully, you will note that the father is abusive, narcissistic, fairly lazy, and contemptuous of his sons while the Beaver is a pathological liar who dishonestly evades the consequences of his frequent bad choices. The Beav, who is dull witted and inarticulate, seems headed for skid row. But Wally, who takes after June’s side of the family, seems headed toward well adjusted adulthood, mainly for reasons of nature, not nurture.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @JimB


    If you follow the Cleaver Family saga carefully, you will note that the father is abusive, narcissistic, fairly lazy, and contemptuous of his sons while the Beaver is a pathological liar who dishonestly evades the consequences of his frequent bad choices. The Beav, who is dull witted and inarticulate, seems headed for skid row. But Wally, who takes after June’s side of the family, seems headed toward well adjusted adulthood, mainly for reasons of nature, not nurture.
     
    Wow, you seem to have this little 50s TV family saga all figured out. I've watched all the episodes too, probably several times. But I never stopped to contemplate the psychodrama implications.

    Beaver was kind of dumb but lovable. Skid row, no. Probably an Assistant Principal by now. Or a well entrenched civil servant. Good bowler though.

    I always wondered why June wore pearls (just like cultural appropriator Lisa Simpson!) and wore house dresses. Not like my Mom. No pearls, but smart and scary. June didn't slap you in the face either.

    Wally? Eh... probably came out as gay after leaving his wife and kids when he was 39. Still, none with criminal records. White Privilege at work again...
  51. OT:

    NYC shooting between two men who got into petty argument in the middle of Times Square! 3 bystanders hit by stray bullets, two women and a child.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1391182408104378368

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @Altai

    I love the language used in that tweet- three people shot by stray bullets.

  52. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    There are generous welfare payments for blacks who can’t seem to find a job and support their own families. Yet Mack the Knife was in foster care. The blunt fact is, her mother could easily have been given enough cash by the state to have raised her own kids, yet somehow this wasn’t enough to keep food on the table and the kids clothed.

    Either Mommy was drugging/drinking away the money, or she was abusing her kids like a wild beast, and that’s how they ended up in foster care.

    Nothing else is possible. The foster home needs to fight back by ruining the parents’ reputations in court and in public. The parents are obviously savage, degenerate criminal scumbags.

  53. > Angela Moore, their foster mother at the time of Ma’Khia’s death,

    A more responsible NYT would doxx the four prior foster mothers*, since statistics proves that their craven handoffs were the sole cause of Ma’Khia’s problems**. Social justice demands that their employability be cancelled. If they somehow manage to beat state criminal charges, Federal authorities can convict them of violating Ma’Khia’s civil rights.

    .
    * at least the white ones, if any
    ** assuming she had any

  54. @Colin Wright
    When I think about how the New York Times -- even if it wasn't quite my ideological cup of tea -- used to be a responsible, intelligent newspaper one could rely on to a certain extent, and when I look at the rag it's become now, it fills me with a kind of impotent fury.

    ...and it's happened not just at the New York Times, but everywhere. The Los Angeles Times -- also a fine paper once upon a time -- runs articles implicitly approving of the firebombing of disagreeably reactionary churches. I'm genuinely at a loss as to how to completely account for it.

    In a weird way, it's like those demonizing-the-Nazis paradigms that imply space aliens or something took over the brains of all Germans between 1933 and 1945. Something like this seems to have occurred to the 'progressive' half of America...but how?

    Replies: @gent

    something took over the brains of all Germans between 1933 and 1945. Something like this seems to have occurred to the ‘progressive’ half of America…but how?

    What’s happening here is not analogous to Hitler’s reaction in the thirties but to the communist civil war in Germany in the 20s.

  55. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1390472663500562432

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1390914642025844738

    https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1170741290474057735

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183090952748986368

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    Replies: @Discordiax, @Too Long Didn't Read, @Clyde, @Anon, @Alexander Turok

    Judging from the timing off all these Gates-Epstein publicity posts hitting the media, Gates certainly is being blackmailed by his enraged wife and her equally nasty divorce lawyer. These posts look suspiciously like Melinda and the lawyer are behind them, and they are using them as a method to shake as much money out of Bill as possible and ruin him in public.

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn’t hesitate to fight dirty. She’s likely thinking, “Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff’s cash. I’ll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I’m done, and I’ll HAVE IT ALL.”

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    @Anon

    Damn, I hope you're right. This could be the Melinda Gates edition of the Great Reset.

    Replies: @Buck Ransom

    , @Getaclue
    @Anon

    Or is the whole "Divorce" BS a way to get money free and clear into their hands? -- ala Bezos -- such Property Setttlements can beat taxes etc. -- it's somewhat complicated to explain but in their position it could make a great deal of sense especially with the coming implosion of the Economy, also to gin up sympathy given many are a bit upset at the "depopulation" Agenda....Also cover for the sale of stock etc. that would set off alarm bells otherwise...the timing of this is just very questionable during the NWO Great Reset of which the Gates are point persons...not buying the cover story offered, whatever is going on be assured it ISN'T that....

    , @Clyde
    @Anon


    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn’t hesitate to fight dirty. She’s likely thinking, “Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff’s cash. I’ll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I’m done, and I’ll HAVE IT ALL.”
     
    Malinda is going to put on a better show than the compliant Mackenzie. Ironic how Bill Gates' father was a prominent lawyer in the NW who set Gates on the path of using lawfare against hapless smaller rivals. Either to buy them up or ruin them. Malinda Gates learned well, imagine the war stories Bill told her when he was bragging. So now Malinda has the hired the best lawyers to turn their guns on Bill Gates' 130+ billions. Malinda has big philanthropic dreams (all kinds of dumb and evil lefty stuff) and she needs Bill's billions to fuel them in her own Malinda Gates Foundation.

    Mackenzie has no crazed "philanthropic" axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
    ______


    Bill Gates’ father, William H. Gates, Sr. , was a prominent banker and a lawyer in Preston Gates & Ellis. He also presided over many bar associations, organization boards, and started the Technology Alliance — a regional push to expand technology-based jobs throughout the 20th century.
    Bill Gates, His Father and Eugenics :: By Geri Ungurean ...

    www.raptureready.com
    /2020/12/29/bill-gates-his-father-and-eugenics-by-geri-ungurean/

     

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

  56. @Sean

    Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance.
     
    With the deliberate shooting dead of a 16 year old girl now being held up as an exemplary way to handle a situation such as that was, you won't have long to wait for the second such occurrence, rely on it.

    Idaho cop suspended for TikTok video mocking LeBron James
    https://www.hitc.com › en-gb › 2021/04/30 › cop-susp...
    30 Apr 2021 — Following the death of Ma'Khia, a 16-year-old girl who was shot dead by a police office in Ohio, the basketball star tweeted a photo of a police ...
     
    One week without pay, then back at work half a mil richer courtesy of a GoFundMe, well deserved because Idaho cops know so much about how to deal with blacks.

    To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.
     
    He stood between his daughter and fat girl, which suggests he was trying to stop anything starting, but stepped away as Officer Reardon came on the scene. Bryant did not as far as as I know have a criminal record, she had been insulated from contact with law enforcers, cared for and doubtless over indulged by the system; how very naïve of her. Her father's greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk when he saw a white cop. It would have went something like this: "Because you are big and black , the white po-lise will deal with you as if you are a man rather than a 16 year old girl".

    Replies: @gent, @Jack D, @gandydancer, @The Plutonium Kid

    Don’t want to get shot? Don’t try to filet people.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @gent

    She died for holding a knife while not obeying his command to 'get down', which she naively thought did not mean she was about to be shot four times.

    Replies: @anon

  57. @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    @Muggles

    Ma'khia would've eaten Ward Cleaver and June for dinner!

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @By-tor

    But Eddie Haskell would have pimped her out to the local Kiwanis.

    • LOL: Dr. Krieger
  58. @CCZ
    Racist White people in Times Square brazenly interrupt black dispute and gunfire.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9557921/Two-people-including-toddler-shot-Times-Square-broad-daylight.html

    https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/1391184976708837382

    Replies: @Yancey Ward

    He will turn out to be the only guy in New York City which literally no one recognizes.

  59. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Judging from the timing off all these Gates-Epstein publicity posts hitting the media, Gates certainly is being blackmailed by his enraged wife and her equally nasty divorce lawyer. These posts look suspiciously like Melinda and the lawyer are behind them, and they are using them as a method to shake as much money out of Bill as possible and ruin him in public.

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn't hesitate to fight dirty. She's likely thinking, "Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff's cash. I'll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I'm done, and I'll HAVE IT ALL."

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @Getaclue, @Clyde

    Damn, I hope you’re right. This could be the Melinda Gates edition of the Great Reset.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    @Buck Ransom

    Melinda's message to Bill:
    "You will own nothing and you will be happy."

    (while Klaus Schwab strokes his cat and chortles softly.)

  60. @Altai
    OT:

    NYC shooting between two men who got into petty argument in the middle of Times Square! 3 bystanders hit by stray bullets, two women and a child.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1391182408104378368

    Replies: @Yancey Ward

    I love the language used in that tweet- three people shot by stray bullets.

  61. Only in New York are the bullets themselves packing heat.

  62. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds

    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @ziggurat


    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.
     
    It's almost always a combination of both, which some people refuse to grasp.

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    One trouble is that many people hear this and think the solution is simply to give money to poor people, or move them to different neighborhoods. Never mind genetics--even factors like culture and behavior are never mentioned, because reasons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @JR Ewing
    @ziggurat

    I participated in a mission trip with my church back in the early 2000's where we visited an orphanage in Siberia and did some construction projects and other repair work around the building while the kids were all off at "youth camp" for the summer.

    One afternoon, they took us to the camp itself to see the kids. I happen to speak Russian so I was very popular with the older kids for obvious reasons: they loved listening to the dumb foreigner with the bad accent and limited vocabulary.

    But I was even more popular with the younger kids. All they wanted was to be held in another persons arms and I was big enough to do it and was willing to pick them up and stand there holding them close while I talked to them. There was a line 10-20 kids deep at times waiting their turn and it was all I did for the whole afternoon once they realized it was available. It was kind of neat but also extremely sobering to sense up close the sadness and desperation in their lives.

    I was 30 and unmarried at the time. I had no idea how families and kids worked. Now I think back on that afternoon and I realize just how lucky my own kids are just to have two loving parents and a decently nice house to live in.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ben tillman

    , @Elli
    @ziggurat

    My impression is that about half the children in Romanian orphanages were Roma - gypsies, whatever that may mean in terms of inherited propensities, added to the horrific neglect.

    Neighbors adopted two Romanian boys, early 2000s. One was aggressive, one was undersized with significant learning disabilities. They have since moved, but I think raising those children was harder than they thought it would be.

    , @ginger bread man
    @ziggurat

    I know someone, around 30 years old, who was adopted from Romania around the mid 90s. She and her brother are both extremely socially unwell, and she transitioned to being a man two years ago. Constantly posts on facebook about the regret “he” feels toward the decision. A very sad situation

  63. @interesting
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike"

    AND that is exactly what did happen.

    What I find odd in all this is.......where's the interview from the girl in pink who was almost stabbed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @joe_mama, @Alden

    She’s probably just as appalled and upset about the white policeman murdering her ‘friend’.

  64. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    He still managed to roll up to the fight in a gold Lexus though.

  65. @Buck Ransom
    @Anon

    Damn, I hope you're right. This could be the Melinda Gates edition of the Great Reset.

    Replies: @Buck Ransom

    Melinda’s message to Bill:
    “You will own nothing and you will be happy.”

    (while Klaus Schwab strokes his cat and chortles softly.)

    • LOL: fish
  66. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Judging from the timing off all these Gates-Epstein publicity posts hitting the media, Gates certainly is being blackmailed by his enraged wife and her equally nasty divorce lawyer. These posts look suspiciously like Melinda and the lawyer are behind them, and they are using them as a method to shake as much money out of Bill as possible and ruin him in public.

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn't hesitate to fight dirty. She's likely thinking, "Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff's cash. I'll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I'm done, and I'll HAVE IT ALL."

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @Getaclue, @Clyde

    Or is the whole “Divorce” BS a way to get money free and clear into their hands? — ala Bezos — such Property Setttlements can beat taxes etc. — it’s somewhat complicated to explain but in their position it could make a great deal of sense especially with the coming implosion of the Economy, also to gin up sympathy given many are a bit upset at the “depopulation” Agenda….Also cover for the sale of stock etc. that would set off alarm bells otherwise…the timing of this is just very questionable during the NWO Great Reset of which the Gates are point persons…not buying the cover story offered, whatever is going on be assured it ISN’T that….

  67. So she was named Ma’ Khia.
    If memory serves, Rodney King was driving a Hyundai.
    There seems to be a persistent problem with blacks culturally appropriating Korean automobiles.

  68. The Grandmother looks very young.
    Multi generational bad choices it appears.

  69. • Agree: Sean
    • Thanks: notsaying
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Desiderius

    So a surfeit of lawyers presages collapse, a terror state and genocide?

    What possible relevance could that have to the United States?

    , @epebble
    @Desiderius

    Is this true? Why did the market not correct itself? Once you see a bunch of "lawyers" driving Uber and making coffee at Starbucks, demand will go away and the next batch will go get a quickie "Web Developer" parchment and make six-figure income.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    Yes, you saw the same in France before the French revolution and Iran before the Iranian revolution. Elite overproduction. If you produce lots of graduates you better have lucrative and stimulating jobs lined up for them, because they are not just going to work in the farms and shops of their parents. (They would be mocked for the rest of their lives by their uneducated relatives.) Natural revolutionaries.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  70. • Thanks: Spect3r
  71. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1390472663500562432

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1390914642025844738

    https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1170741290474057735

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183090952748986368

    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.

    Replies: @Discordiax, @Too Long Didn't Read, @Clyde, @Anon, @Alexander Turok

    Establishing a social norm whereby merely being friends with someone who had plead guilty to some crime like soliciting underage prostitutes is reason for a witch hunt, well, that will never rebound to harm ordinary men. No, just like #MeToo as a whole, what started targeting the elite will always target the elite. Join the media I mean populist crusade!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alexander Turok

    Why did Bill Gates give $2 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

    Extortion.

    Epstein likely had a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alexander Turok, @Anonymous

  72. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Were a lot of these kids Gypsies and not ‘Romanian’?

  73. @Anon

    NYT: Ohio places children in foster care at a rate 10% percent higher than the national average.

    Steve: Ten percent! Follow the science. You can’t argue with statistics.
     
    If I'm correct, a ten percent difference is about a quarter of a standard deviation. Implying that this is some sort of giant variance from normal is an example of innumeracy on the part of the writers, and you'd think that this is embarassing enough that an editor would have deleted it.

    Replies: @Jeff

    Kind of depends on what influence the paper hopes to leave on its readers…

  74. @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    @Muggles

    Ma'khia would've eaten Ward Cleaver and June for dinner!

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @By-tor

  75. @Sean

    Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance.
     
    With the deliberate shooting dead of a 16 year old girl now being held up as an exemplary way to handle a situation such as that was, you won't have long to wait for the second such occurrence, rely on it.

    Idaho cop suspended for TikTok video mocking LeBron James
    https://www.hitc.com › en-gb › 2021/04/30 › cop-susp...
    30 Apr 2021 — Following the death of Ma'Khia, a 16-year-old girl who was shot dead by a police office in Ohio, the basketball star tweeted a photo of a police ...
     
    One week without pay, then back at work half a mil richer courtesy of a GoFundMe, well deserved because Idaho cops know so much about how to deal with blacks.

    To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.
     
    He stood between his daughter and fat girl, which suggests he was trying to stop anything starting, but stepped away as Officer Reardon came on the scene. Bryant did not as far as as I know have a criminal record, she had been insulated from contact with law enforcers, cared for and doubtless over indulged by the system; how very naïve of her. Her father's greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk when he saw a white cop. It would have went something like this: "Because you are big and black , the white po-lise will deal with you as if you are a man rather than a 16 year old girl".

    Replies: @gent, @Jack D, @gandydancer, @The Plutonium Kid

    Act like a girl and the police will treat you like a girl.

    • Agree: ic1000, sayless
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Jack D

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? Thirteen, twelve, ten? At ten she would not have been arguing over the profits of a meth lab and using a weapon on a snitch, but at most pushing and using the word "bitch" in an argument about tidying up her room.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

  76. @tyrone
    @Goingblankagain

    "No occupation listed for dad".....plaintiff.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Er… defendant…

    • Agree: Dr. Krieger
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Polistra

    Plaintiff as in suing the Police and everybody in sight for his baby's unfortunate demise.

  77. @YetAnotherAnon
    "while threatening a young woman with a knife"

    That's right. As the video clearly shows, she stood three yards away from the girl in pink, brandishing the knife and shouting "do you want some then?".

    If she'd been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    Replies: @interesting, @Polistra, @Mr Mox, @WJ

    Also noticed:

    As Ma’Khia charged, Ms. Craig-Watkins tumbled to the ground, and Ma’Khia’s father tried to kick her.

    Steve noticed the “tried to kick” but I noticed “tumbled to the ground” — how the Establishment Media continues to struggle with the Dilemma of Agency.

    The semi-white girl who was getting “charged” and kicked in the head by the Numinous Ones did show agency: she tumbled to the ground all by herself.

  78. If I were Black, and wanting to be taken more seriously in American society, I would not think that these stories were helping. I would not like the book White Fragility either.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Roger

    I would agree, but if you were black you would also be told by everyone that you deserve to own American society just the way you are, and that it is just about happen if we can stage a few more protests and get a few more Democrats into office...

    , @AceDeuce
    @Roger

    "If I were Black,
    and wanting to be taken more seriously in American society,
    I would not think
    that these stories were helping."

    Fixed it for you.

  79. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @interesting

    She seems to have prudently disappeared.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman, @Achilleus, @Anonymous

    Steve,

    Check out some of the damning details about the family which USA Today covered that the NYT’s soft-pedaled or omitted;

    “The agency began a plan aimed at reuniting the children with their mother, but its filings with the court indicate the mother repeatedly failed to comply with the plan, which included mental-health counseling, or even to consistently show up for scheduled visitations with Ma’Khia and her sister.

    The files contain repeated references to the father not responding to outreach by the court and “refusing involvement with the agency.”

    In December 2019, Children Services became so concerned about what they deemed to be emotionally damaging interactions between the mother and her daughters that the agency filed a motion “requesting an order from the court to suspend Paula Bryant’s visitation for now.”

    A month later, in January 2020, the agency filed a motion seeking permanent custody of the girls, a request that was still pending with the court at the time of Ma’Khia’s death.”

    ….

    “The placement of the children with the grandmother, known as kinship care, lasted about 16 months, until the summer of 2019. At that point, Children Services reported that conflict between the grandmother Hammonds and the mother “has been a barrier to mother’s ability to focus on services,” and transferred the children to foster care.

    In a later filing with the court, Children Services said Hammonds “consistently indicated she did not want to take custody,” had lost her housing and “subsequently dropped the children and their siblings off at the agency.

    But in December 2019, Hammonds filed a handwritten motion with the court asking for custody, saying the children had done well in her home and that the separation of the siblings in foster care “has caused a great deal of emotional and mental stress.”

    Children Services never returned the children to her, telling the court that Hammonds “does not understand the children’s special needs” and had “failed to facilitate counseling for the children when she had placement.””

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/05/04/juvenile-court-records-makhia-bryant-foster-care/4941073001/

    Also, the NYT’s implies that police did nothing when Ma’Khia’s younger sister called them in March, demanding to leave the home and threatening to kill someone if she had to stay. In fact, they transported her to a children’s hospital for a psychological evaluation. Perhaps the foster care system failed to follow-up, as she remained at the home. But the Times implies that the police were at fault. The source below has a link to the police report;

    https://www.thesussireport.com/reports/haunting/revelations-at-foster-care-home-where-makhia-bryant-lived

    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Anonymous

    Nothing could possibly be plainer than that some people need sterilizing. For their own good, for the sake of the kids whose lives they would wreck, and especially for the sake of society, upon which the cascading wreckage over generations would be inflicted.

    And upon which, not incidentally, the endless costs are lain. Nope: instead we do the exact opposite and ensure that the least able among us procreate the most. I don't have to tell you who's behind that.

  80. @Goingblankagain

    The oldest of four children born to Paula Bryant, a nursing assistant, and Myron Hammonds
     
    No occupation listed for dad.

    Replies: @fish, @tyrone, @Colin Wright, @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Almost Missouri, @Gary in Gramercy

    Myron Hammonds’s occupation: Jackass of all trades.

  81. @Redneck farmer
    Waiting for the paper, "Negative Societal Outcomes From Declining Child Mortality".

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Ha ha. Psychologists have enthused about dead babies for decades. Freud noted sex is risky when all your children will survive infancy and the men of olde were fortunate because half their spawn died young.

  82. @JimB
    @Muggles


    “It’s almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices.”
     
    If you follow the Cleaver Family saga carefully, you will note that the father is abusive, narcissistic, fairly lazy, and contemptuous of his sons while the Beaver is a pathological liar who dishonestly evades the consequences of his frequent bad choices. The Beav, who is dull witted and inarticulate, seems headed for skid row. But Wally, who takes after June’s side of the family, seems headed toward well adjusted adulthood, mainly for reasons of nature, not nurture.

    Replies: @Muggles

    If you follow the Cleaver Family saga carefully, you will note that the father is abusive, narcissistic, fairly lazy, and contemptuous of his sons while the Beaver is a pathological liar who dishonestly evades the consequences of his frequent bad choices. The Beav, who is dull witted and inarticulate, seems headed for skid row. But Wally, who takes after June’s side of the family, seems headed toward well adjusted adulthood, mainly for reasons of nature, not nurture.

    Wow, you seem to have this little 50s TV family saga all figured out. I’ve watched all the episodes too, probably several times. But I never stopped to contemplate the psychodrama implications.

    Beaver was kind of dumb but lovable. Skid row, no. Probably an Assistant Principal by now. Or a well entrenched civil servant. Good bowler though.

    I always wondered why June wore pearls (just like cultural appropriator Lisa Simpson!) and wore house dresses. Not like my Mom. No pearls, but smart and scary. June didn’t slap you in the face either.

    Wally? Eh… probably came out as gay after leaving his wife and kids when he was 39. Still, none with criminal records. White Privilege at work again…

    • LOL: ic1000
  83. Clyde says:
    @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Judging from the timing off all these Gates-Epstein publicity posts hitting the media, Gates certainly is being blackmailed by his enraged wife and her equally nasty divorce lawyer. These posts look suspiciously like Melinda and the lawyer are behind them, and they are using them as a method to shake as much money out of Bill as possible and ruin him in public.

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn't hesitate to fight dirty. She's likely thinking, "Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff's cash. I'll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I'm done, and I'll HAVE IT ALL."

    Replies: @Buck Ransom, @Getaclue, @Clyde

    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn’t hesitate to fight dirty. She’s likely thinking, “Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff’s cash. I’ll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I’m done, and I’ll HAVE IT ALL.”

    Malinda is going to put on a better show than the compliant Mackenzie. Ironic how Bill Gates’ father was a prominent lawyer in the NW who set Gates on the path of using lawfare against hapless smaller rivals. Either to buy them up or ruin them. Malinda Gates learned well, imagine the war stories Bill told her when he was bragging. So now Malinda has the hired the best lawyers to turn their guns on Bill Gates’ 130+ billions. Malinda has big philanthropic dreams (all kinds of dumb and evil lefty stuff) and she needs Bill’s billions to fuel them in her own Malinda Gates Foundation.

    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
    ______

    Bill Gates’ father, William H. Gates, Sr. , was a prominent banker and a lawyer in Preston Gates & Ellis. He also presided over many bar associations, organization boards, and started the Technology Alliance — a regional push to expand technology-based jobs throughout the 20th century.
    Bill Gates, His Father and Eugenics :: By Geri Ungurean …

    http://www.raptureready.com/2020/12/29/bill-gates-his-father-and-eugenics-by-geri-ungurean/

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Clyde

    Mrs. Bezos has plenty of axes:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/12/woke-housewives-silicon-valley-daniel-greenfield/

    , @AnotherDad
    @Clyde


    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
     
    LOL.

    MacKenzie is woke as ...

    White male genius liberated women from "domestic drudgery" and children ... and then gave them cell phones so they could endless chat with each other.

    These "educated" (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie--who've gotten rich from their husband's business savvy--*know* what ails the world--it's right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college--and they are going to fix it. (And us.)


    The modern West has conducted two great experiments. One proving the reality of tribalism--and the need for nationalism--the other the reality of sexual dimorphism.

    Replies: @Clyde, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Alden

  84. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @notsaying

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    https://media.tenor.com/images/41cd4a462c8d1d51fc424bcee704c461/tenor.gif

    Replies: @Anon

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I think that this would be a great idea. Home ec nudged young women to think about these things, and schools used to be more involved in helping kids navigate adolescence via quasi-mandatory school dances and the like, where you learned things like meatspace communication skills with actual members of the opposite sex in the flesh.

    Sex education might be a good place to park this. They could make space and time for it by getting rid of the LGBT stuff and the anal masturbation how-to’s, etc.

    For boys, just having an opportunity to have gainfully employed, married-with-children men from the neighborhood talk with them is valuable, and I don’t mean the ex-gangster-gone-right thing. I remember fathers from the neighborhood helping with Christmas decorations, fathers of youth group members, backpack trips with some fathers, the local men’s group annual fund-raising festival. You had lots of potential role models, saw different jobs, had the occasion to talk.

    Charles Murray says the two main things you need to sort out in life is finding your spouse and finding your vocation/job/career. School should probably involved things that help you in these two activities more than they do, giving you the tools to accomplish both in the future … or heck, for some people marrying in high school and getting a vocational-type job during high school might be best.

    • Agree: notsaying
  85. Separation now.

  86. @YetAnotherAnon
    "while threatening a young woman with a knife"

    That's right. As the video clearly shows, she stood three yards away from the girl in pink, brandishing the knife and shouting "do you want some then?".

    If she'd been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    Replies: @interesting, @Polistra, @Mr Mox, @WJ

    If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    We must not believe our lying eyes, but instead trust a twit(ter) from NYT:

    Since Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, was fatally shot by a police officer in Columbus, Ohio while holding a knife…

    She was only holding a knife. Perhaps Miss Bryant wanted to show (instead of shove) the knife to Miss Pink?

  87. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    Check out some of the damning details about the family which USA Today covered that the NYT's soft-pedaled or omitted;

    "The agency began a plan aimed at reuniting the children with their mother, but its filings with the court indicate the mother repeatedly failed to comply with the plan, which included mental-health counseling, or even to consistently show up for scheduled visitations with Ma'Khia and her sister.

    The files contain repeated references to the father not responding to outreach by the court and "refusing involvement with the agency."

    In December 2019, Children Services became so concerned about what they deemed to be emotionally damaging interactions between the mother and her daughters that the agency filed a motion "requesting an order from the court to suspend Paula Bryant's visitation for now."

    A month later, in January 2020, the agency filed a motion seeking permanent custody of the girls, a request that was still pending with the court at the time of Ma'Khia's death."

    ....

    "The placement of the children with the grandmother, known as kinship care, lasted about 16 months, until the summer of 2019. At that point, Children Services reported that conflict between the grandmother Hammonds and the mother "has been a barrier to mother's ability to focus on services," and transferred the children to foster care.

    In a later filing with the court, Children Services said Hammonds "consistently indicated she did not want to take custody," had lost her housing and "subsequently dropped the children and their siblings off at the agency.

    But in December 2019, Hammonds filed a handwritten motion with the court asking for custody, saying the children had done well in her home and that the separation of the siblings in foster care "has caused a great deal of emotional and mental stress."

    Children Services never returned the children to her, telling the court that Hammonds "does not understand the children's special needs" and had "failed to facilitate counseling for the children when she had placement.""

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/05/04/juvenile-court-records-makhia-bryant-foster-care/4941073001/

    Also, the NYT's implies that police did nothing when Ma'Khia's younger sister called them in March, demanding to leave the home and threatening to kill someone if she had to stay. In fact, they transported her to a children's hospital for a psychological evaluation. Perhaps the foster care system failed to follow-up, as she remained at the home. But the Times implies that the police were at fault. The source below has a link to the police report;

    https://www.thesussireport.com/reports/haunting/revelations-at-foster-care-home-where-makhia-bryant-lived

    Replies: @Polistra

    Nothing could possibly be plainer than that some people need sterilizing. For their own good, for the sake of the kids whose lives they would wreck, and especially for the sake of society, upon which the cascading wreckage over generations would be inflicted.

    And upon which, not incidentally, the endless costs are lain. Nope: instead we do the exact opposite and ensure that the least able among us procreate the most. I don’t have to tell you who’s behind that.

    • Agree: new Stalin, nokangaroos
  88. Stop the press! The New York Times just published a bombshell, titled “Wrestling Practice Gone Awry!”

    The article confirms the incident was a colossal mixup–a tag-team practice match featuring “Stomp ‘n Stab” vs. “Pink ‘n Stink.” The cop arrived, responding to a 9-1-1 call by a well-meaning but uninformed neighbor. Those involved thought the cop was an actor hired for a Championship Wrestling Extravaganza, when tragedy ensued.

    The police, Championship Wrestling, and the State of Ohio face a George Floyd-esque payout while the New York Giants and Washington Football Whatevers battle over rights to sign the father for the position of placekicker. The neighbor who called the cops has been arrested and charged with Negligent Homicide.

    • LOL: Jack D
  89. @ziggurat
    @Altai

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds


    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.
     

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    Replies: @Polistra, @JR Ewing, @Elli, @ginger bread man

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    It’s almost always a combination of both, which some people refuse to grasp.

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.

    One trouble is that many people hear this and think the solution is simply to give money to poor people, or move them to different neighborhoods. Never mind genetics–even factors like culture and behavior are never mentioned, because reasons.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Polistra


    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    Blacks are especially noted for their taciturn nature. If you've ever been with a group of blacks, they will sit around glumly for hours and hardly ever utter a word.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Polistra


    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    Young black kids here a lot of words.

    They just may not be the words kids are supposed to repeat in school.

    Replies: @jsm

  90. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Recently I was reading the sad story of the Juman family, who in the mid-1960s adopted a young boy through the prestigious Louise Wise agency in New York. The adoptive parents were told that the mother was a bright young college student who conceived a baby out of wedlock while in mourning for her dead fiancé. It turned out that the mother was a lobotomized schizophrenic and that the father was also a mental patient. The boy developed debilitating schizophrenia in his late teens and eventually committed suicide.

    Louise Wise conspired with the mother’s relatives to hide the truth from the son and his adoptive family up to and after his death.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/14/magazine/what-the-jumans-didn-t-know-about-michael.html

  91. @Alexander Turok
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Establishing a social norm whereby merely being friends with someone who had plead guilty to some crime like soliciting underage prostitutes is reason for a witch hunt, well, that will never rebound to harm ordinary men. No, just like #MeToo as a whole, what started targeting the elite will always target the elite. Join the media I mean populist crusade!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Why did Bill Gates give $2 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

    Extortion.

    Epstein likely had a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Two ... million ... dollars!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr Mox

    , @Alexander Turok
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Source says Gates gave the money to MIT Media Lab, not Epstein himself.

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion
     
    I don't think that happened, and even if it did, I don't see why I should care. I remember being in high school and lots and lots of 16 year old girls were having sex. I was angry, of course, that they weren't doing it with me. But why should I be particularly enraged if a few of them were doing it with Bill Gates for money rather than with Chad for their own gratification? Bill Gates seems like a prick but he never stuffed me into a locker.

    I don't think there's gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.

    Replies: @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alexander Turok

    Why did Bill Gates give $2 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

    Extortion.

    Epstein likely had a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alexander Turok, @Anonymous

    Two … million … dollars!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    That we know of.

    , @Mr Mox
    @Steve Sailer

    https://i.imgur.com/4tRpGAg.jpg

  93. @Art Deco
    The foster care census in New York is usually around 26,000, give or take. There are more than 4 million juveniles in New York. The foster care placement about which I'm most familiar was put into effect because the child was born shot through with cocaine (and later shown to have fetal alcohol syndrome to boot). The mother had another child 15 months later, which was not taken from her for whatever reason. The other child was then turned over to her (after some time in the residence of a random cousin of the sire). I cannot imagine how awful you have to be for your young to be put in an open-ended foster-care situation.

    And what they don't tell you is that given other social metrics on the black population, a difference in the propensity to have dealings with institutional social control is quite unremarkable and less than expected when the odds ratio falls below 7-to-1.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @AnotherDad

    If Social Workers know that a Court won’t award Custody of a drug using Single Mother’s children to the Father, then they’ll feel free to put the kid[s] into Foster Care.
    Perhaps it even works out okay once in a while, but most of the time “stuff” is gonna happen there.
    30 year old Pinkie and the woman that got kicked in the head, they weren’t predatory lesbians, by any chance?
    Otherwise, what was it all about?

  94. @Clyde
    @Anon


    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn’t hesitate to fight dirty. She’s likely thinking, “Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff’s cash. I’ll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I’m done, and I’ll HAVE IT ALL.”
     
    Malinda is going to put on a better show than the compliant Mackenzie. Ironic how Bill Gates' father was a prominent lawyer in the NW who set Gates on the path of using lawfare against hapless smaller rivals. Either to buy them up or ruin them. Malinda Gates learned well, imagine the war stories Bill told her when he was bragging. So now Malinda has the hired the best lawyers to turn their guns on Bill Gates' 130+ billions. Malinda has big philanthropic dreams (all kinds of dumb and evil lefty stuff) and she needs Bill's billions to fuel them in her own Malinda Gates Foundation.

    Mackenzie has no crazed "philanthropic" axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
    ______


    Bill Gates’ father, William H. Gates, Sr. , was a prominent banker and a lawyer in Preston Gates & Ellis. He also presided over many bar associations, organization boards, and started the Technology Alliance — a regional push to expand technology-based jobs throughout the 20th century.
    Bill Gates, His Father and Eugenics :: By Geri Ungurean ...

    www.raptureready.com
    /2020/12/29/bill-gates-his-father-and-eugenics-by-geri-ungurean/

     

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

  95. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Two ... million ... dollars!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr Mox

    That we know of.

    • Agree: Gordo
  96. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/BuyBookBuyBook/status/1389276960648568833?s=20

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @epebble, @Anonymous

    So a surfeit of lawyers presages collapse, a terror state and genocide?

    What possible relevance could that have to the United States?

  97. @Colin Wright
    @Goingblankagain

    'No occupation listed for dad.'

    Being black.

    It's a full-time job. Look at his record.

    The irony is that we've largely made this race from hell. Sixty years ago they were bad -- but not this bad.

    Then we decided to help.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    The Great Society has done great damage to an already damaged black population.

    The worst enemy of the black race is the white liberal.

  98. @Roger
    If I were Black, and wanting to be taken more seriously in American society, I would not think that these stories were helping. I would not like the book White Fragility either.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce

    I would agree, but if you were black you would also be told by everyone that you deserve to own American society just the way you are, and that it is just about happen if we can stage a few more protests and get a few more Democrats into office…

  99. @ziggurat
    @Altai

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds


    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.
     

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    Replies: @Polistra, @JR Ewing, @Elli, @ginger bread man

    I participated in a mission trip with my church back in the early 2000’s where we visited an orphanage in Siberia and did some construction projects and other repair work around the building while the kids were all off at “youth camp” for the summer.

    One afternoon, they took us to the camp itself to see the kids. I happen to speak Russian so I was very popular with the older kids for obvious reasons: they loved listening to the dumb foreigner with the bad accent and limited vocabulary.

    But I was even more popular with the younger kids. All they wanted was to be held in another persons arms and I was big enough to do it and was willing to pick them up and stand there holding them close while I talked to them. There was a line 10-20 kids deep at times waiting their turn and it was all I did for the whole afternoon once they realized it was available. It was kind of neat but also extremely sobering to sense up close the sadness and desperation in their lives.

    I was 30 and unmarried at the time. I had no idea how families and kids worked. Now I think back on that afternoon and I realize just how lucky my own kids are just to have two loving parents and a decently nice house to live in.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @notsaying
    @JR Ewing

    Thank you so much for sharing this story. It is a real eye opener.

    You could probably turn up in a poor minority neighborhoods in America and got a line of kids waiting for an adult to hug them and talk to them for a few minutes, too. These kids need love and attention and a sense of security and not getting them has all kinds of negative consequences. People who cannot provide these things should not have kids.

    Who is trying to face the facts of what the real problems are and do something about them? Instead we have all these articles and demands about things that do not deal with the real problems.

    It is so depressing and tragic. People don't have to keep doing the same stupid things; they do have choices. We don't have to keep creating more Ma'Khia Bryants and her awful parents but we will.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Ben tillman
    @JR Ewing

    I bet you’re a great dad.

  100. @Roger
    If I were Black, and wanting to be taken more seriously in American society, I would not think that these stories were helping. I would not like the book White Fragility either.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AceDeuce

    “If I were Black,
    and wanting to be taken more seriously in American society,
    I would not think
    that these stories were helping.”

    Fixed it for you.

  101. Sean says:
    @Jack D
    @Sean

    Act like a girl and the police will treat you like a girl.

    Replies: @Sean

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? Thirteen, twelve, ten? At ten she would not have been arguing over the profits of a meth lab and using a weapon on a snitch, but at most pushing and using the word “bitch” in an argument about tidying up her room.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Sean

    She wasn't ten. She was sixteen and in most states would have been tried as an adult if she had gone ahead and killed Pink Girl.

    The police can use deadly force when they reasonably believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious harm to the officer or to others. Certainly children younger than 16 who are holding large knives can and in many cases have inflicted serious harm on others.

    Danny and Ricky Preddie stabbed another boy to death when they were aged 12 and 13. If the police had come upon them in the midst of the stabbing and they did not drop their weapons then the police would have been justified in using deadly force on them (and it would have been no great loss to society based upon their subsequent lives).

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4288489/where-damilola-taylor-killers-danny-ricky-preddie-now/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nintchdbpict000347105367.jpg?w=670

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Art Deco
    @Sean

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? T

    Young enough to not threaten someone else's life with a knife. This isn't that difficult.

  102. @Sean

    Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance.
     
    With the deliberate shooting dead of a 16 year old girl now being held up as an exemplary way to handle a situation such as that was, you won't have long to wait for the second such occurrence, rely on it.

    Idaho cop suspended for TikTok video mocking LeBron James
    https://www.hitc.com › en-gb › 2021/04/30 › cop-susp...
    30 Apr 2021 — Following the death of Ma'Khia, a 16-year-old girl who was shot dead by a police office in Ohio, the basketball star tweeted a photo of a police ...
     
    One week without pay, then back at work half a mil richer courtesy of a GoFundMe, well deserved because Idaho cops know so much about how to deal with blacks.

    To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.
     
    He stood between his daughter and fat girl, which suggests he was trying to stop anything starting, but stepped away as Officer Reardon came on the scene. Bryant did not as far as as I know have a criminal record, she had been insulated from contact with law enforcers, cared for and doubtless over indulged by the system; how very naïve of her. Her father's greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk when he saw a white cop. It would have went something like this: "Because you are big and black , the white po-lise will deal with you as if you are a man rather than a 16 year old girl".

    Replies: @gent, @Jack D, @gandydancer, @The Plutonium Kid

    He stood between his daughter and fat girl…

    You are a liar. The link to the “security camera” video is in the article, but I’ll repeat it here:

    At no point does Hammonds stand between Stabby Girl and the woman he kicked.

    Her father’s greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk…

    All he really needed to say was “Don’t try to stab someone to death right in front of a cop”, but that’s wisdom that Kicker obviously didn’t possess.

    As many have observed, that he’s not in jail again is the most obvious scandal about this incident.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Sean
    @gandydancer

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to "stab someone to death right in front of a cop" -- although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide--she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon's arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @anon, @Tex

  103. Very pieceful gal. She was about to cut pink girl to pieces.

  104. @gent
    @Sean

    Don't want to get shot? Don't try to filet people.

    Replies: @Sean

    She died for holding a knife while not obeying his command to ‘get down’, which she naively thought did not mean she was about to be shot four times.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Sean

    She died for holding a knife ...

    No.

  105. @YetAnotherAnon
    "while threatening a young woman with a knife"

    That's right. As the video clearly shows, she stood three yards away from the girl in pink, brandishing the knife and shouting "do you want some then?".

    If she'd been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike, then of course the police would have been justified in shooting her. But nothing like that happened, did it?

    Replies: @interesting, @Polistra, @Mr Mox, @WJ

    While you are being sarcastic, there are many on that side that firmly believe that version.

    Considering the lack of gratitude of the girl in pink, I would say ya’ll can fight if I were a white cop observing two black people fighting.

  106. @Anon
    Why is the New York Times doing an all-in three-byline, three-contributor article on an evergreen local Ohio city beat story that has no news hook other than a tangential connection to a local Ohio crime and no New York nexus?

    A quick Google reveals that there are plenty of local foster care problems that the NYT could cover, including predator foster parents who abuse kids, documented in lawsuits and covered by other New York papers in 2020, and the decimation of NYC foster care reforms by de Blasio, blamed on the pandemic, covered by local fishwrappers last year also.

    Replies: @John Pepple

    The Times is doing this because this incident has the power to screw up their Narrative. What they want is to use the murder (as they see it) of George Floyd as the paradigm case of police versus blacks, with the Ma’K incident as a more ambiguous version that should be understood by looking to the paradigm. That is, it’s just another dreadful case of the police shooting a black person.

    However, the Ma’K incident is so over the top in terms of what the average person experiences — How many of us have ever seen a 16-year-old girl try to stab another girl with a big knife? — that it doesn’t work very well. What the Times is worried about is the emergence of what could be considered a counter-narrative that says that the Ma’K incident is the paradigm case, with the George Floyd case as a more ambiguous version that should be understood by looking to the paradigm. That is, both cases are examples of blacks being out of control. The problem isn’t the police and, more broadly, white America. The problem is black America.

    The Times seems rather desperate, actually.

  107. Elli says:
    @ziggurat
    @Altai

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds


    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.
     

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    Replies: @Polistra, @JR Ewing, @Elli, @ginger bread man

    My impression is that about half the children in Romanian orphanages were Roma – gypsies, whatever that may mean in terms of inherited propensities, added to the horrific neglect.

    Neighbors adopted two Romanian boys, early 2000s. One was aggressive, one was undersized with significant learning disabilities. They have since moved, but I think raising those children was harder than they thought it would be.

    • Thanks: ziggurat
  108. @Art Deco
    The foster care census in New York is usually around 26,000, give or take. There are more than 4 million juveniles in New York. The foster care placement about which I'm most familiar was put into effect because the child was born shot through with cocaine (and later shown to have fetal alcohol syndrome to boot). The mother had another child 15 months later, which was not taken from her for whatever reason. The other child was then turned over to her (after some time in the residence of a random cousin of the sire). I cannot imagine how awful you have to be for your young to be put in an open-ended foster-care situation.

    And what they don't tell you is that given other social metrics on the black population, a difference in the propensity to have dealings with institutional social control is quite unremarkable and less than expected when the odds ratio falls below 7-to-1.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @AnotherDad

    You can’t have a sane social welfare policy when our “intellectuals”, the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as “the discredited theory eugenics”.

    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids–to be supported by the taxpayers–or … you’ll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AnotherDad


    You can’t have a sane social welfare policy when our “intellectuals”, the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as “the discredited theory eugenics”.
     
    The may dismiss it explicitly, but don't expect them to say what they are actually doing to stop the growth in unprofitable people, which cognitive dissonance also plays a part in obscuring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSuW6iCDP0

    It is unspoken, even behind closed doors and people will bring up this state and or that city as a rejoinder to the Freakonomic explanation, but abortion lowering the crime rate is something there is support for from studies all around the globe. And NYC Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly whose times in office span the entire period has said the fall in crime was mainly due to other causes than new police methods such as Bratton and Giuliani tried to clam credit with. One very telling detail Steve mentioned was the black birth rate was high in the 90s. Hence, those being murdered had already reproduced, and the birth rate of blacks in the early 90s was high. The decision to institute mass incarceration may have been informed by knowledge of the demographic vigor of African Americans.

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing I referred to had much to do with eugenics.


    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids–to be supported by the taxpayers–or … you’ll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn't have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  109. @Clyde
    @Anon


    Well, Gates did marry a mannish woman, and Melinda is tough and doesn’t hesitate to fight dirty. She’s likely thinking, “Huh! Mackenzie only got 1/3 of Jeff’s cash. I’ll show her how to destroy a ex properly! Bill will look like a cripple in a nursing home by the time I’m done, and I’ll HAVE IT ALL.”
     
    Malinda is going to put on a better show than the compliant Mackenzie. Ironic how Bill Gates' father was a prominent lawyer in the NW who set Gates on the path of using lawfare against hapless smaller rivals. Either to buy them up or ruin them. Malinda Gates learned well, imagine the war stories Bill told her when he was bragging. So now Malinda has the hired the best lawyers to turn their guns on Bill Gates' 130+ billions. Malinda has big philanthropic dreams (all kinds of dumb and evil lefty stuff) and she needs Bill's billions to fuel them in her own Malinda Gates Foundation.

    Mackenzie has no crazed "philanthropic" axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
    ______


    Bill Gates’ father, William H. Gates, Sr. , was a prominent banker and a lawyer in Preston Gates & Ellis. He also presided over many bar associations, organization boards, and started the Technology Alliance — a regional push to expand technology-based jobs throughout the 20th century.
    Bill Gates, His Father and Eugenics :: By Geri Ungurean ...

    www.raptureready.com
    /2020/12/29/bill-gates-his-father-and-eugenics-by-geri-ungurean/

     

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.

    LOL.

    MacKenzie is woke as …

    White male genius liberated women from “domestic drudgery” and children … and then gave them cell phones so they could endless chat with each other.

    These “educated” (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie–who’ve gotten rich from their husband’s business savvy–*know* what ails the world–it’s right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college–and they are going to fix it. (And us.)

    The modern West has conducted two great experiments. One proving the reality of tribalism–and the need for nationalism–the other the reality of sexual dimorphism.

    • Agree: HammerJack, John Johnson
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @AnotherDad

    You are right... MacKenzie Scott Bezos giving away her big-ass Bezos bucks to the usual brain dead lefty causes. Which really are jobs programs for the woke, lefties, commies and other assorted useless eaters. But my bet is Malicious Malefactor Malinda Gates will set up her own foundation while the ex-Mrs Bezos will not.


    MacKenzie Scott announces recipients of $1.67 billion in grants
    July 29, 2020
    https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/mackenzie-scott-announces-recipients-of-1.67-billion-in-grants

    Grant recipients include Howard University, which announced that it received a $40 million — the largest gift in the school's history — from Scott, a former student of alumna Toni Morrison. The university will use the funds to meet needs in four areas, including campus infrastructure improvement projects, a new faculty development plan, a program focused on social innovation and entrepreneurship, and one of its signature retention programs, the Graduation & Retention Access to Continued Excellence (GRACE) Grant.

    Other recipients include the Advancement Project, American Indian Graduate Center, Co-Impact, Grantmakers for Girls of Color, Groundswell Fund, LatinoJustice, Movement for Black Lives, Narrative4, Point Foundation, PolicyLink, RAINN, Spelman College, and UnidosUS. Scott noted that all were awarded general operating support grants but did not disclose individual grant amounts.

    "We are so grateful for MacKenzie Bezos' support of our work to empower LGBTQ students and springboard a new generation of LGBTQ leaders toward success," said Jorge Valencia, executive director and CEO of the Point Foundation, the nation's largest LGBTQ scholarship fund. "Bezos' support comes at a critical moment as we broaden and deepen our efforts to support LGBTQ students who are Black, Indigenous, and people of color and LGBTQ students who are grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic.
     
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @AnotherDad


    These “educated” (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie–who’ve gotten rich from their husband’s business savvy–*know* what ails the world–it’s right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college–and they are going to fix it. (And us.)

     

    This is very well-stated.

    Western societies are dominated by neo-gnostic busybodies and jobsworths.

    This already is a recipe for annoying problems and dysfunction. The even greater disaster is that the aims of the Melindas and McKenzies are becoming ever more grandiose and Satanic, as they pursue DIY theosis by elevating themselves to the role of subsitute saviors of the great oppressed.

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    So it’s all the fault of White women that a black woman got killed while attacking another black woman. Why do you call yourself another dad? It’s so obvious you could never ever do the deed because women are so icky and gross.


    another dad
    ———————-

    White women are what’s wrong with the world. White women caused every problem in the world since Pandora. Life on earth was wonderful in every way till American voting laws were federalized in 1919. Women shouldn’t work. Men shouldn’t have to support women. Women should use donated sperm to impregnate themselves. Women should raise the kids all by themselves without financial support from a job, a father or welfare. Women women women you’re obsessed with women and complete strangers reproduction

  110. Sean says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco

    You can't have a sane social welfare policy when our "intellectuals", the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as "the discredited theory eugenics".


    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids--to be supported by the taxpayers--or ... you'll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Sean, @Art Deco

    You can’t have a sane social welfare policy when our “intellectuals”, the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as “the discredited theory eugenics”.

    The may dismiss it explicitly, but don’t expect them to say what they are actually doing to stop the growth in unprofitable people, which cognitive dissonance also plays a part in obscuring.

    It is unspoken, even behind closed doors and people will bring up this state and or that city as a rejoinder to the Freakonomic explanation, but abortion lowering the crime rate is something there is support for from studies all around the globe. And NYC Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly whose times in office span the entire period has said the fall in crime was mainly due to other causes than new police methods such as Bratton and Giuliani tried to clam credit with. One very telling detail Steve mentioned was the black birth rate was high in the 90s. Hence, those being murdered had already reproduced, and the birth rate of blacks in the early 90s was high. The decision to institute mass incarceration may have been informed by knowledge of the demographic vigor of African Americans.

  111. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alexander Turok

    Why did Bill Gates give $2 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

    Extortion.

    Epstein likely had a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alexander Turok, @Anonymous

    Source says Gates gave the money to MIT Media Lab, not Epstein himself.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Two ... million ... dollars!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr Mox

  113. @Muggles
    Yes, "stabby teen" is a great descriptor. You used it before and it uh, "cuts to the bone."

    To formulate a thesis along iSteve lines:

    "It's almost as if not having a Beaver Cleaver type two parent middle class household can lead to poorer life choices."


    I doubt the NYT will get around to discussing that.

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @JimB, @AnotherDad

    I just think it’s great to see Ma’Knifey staying in the news.

    It’s a great case. People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I’m one of the few so jaded i think “Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children’s future”.) But having normies view the video–a window into that world–does yeoman “reality check” work.

    People won’t leave this exercise thinking “the problem” is “the police” or “white people”. More likely “how do we get out from under this mess”.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I’m one of the few so jaded i think “Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children’s future”.) But having normies view the video–a window into that world–does yeoman “reality check” work.
     
    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we're privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn't earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.

    Replies: @vhrm

  114. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco

    You can't have a sane social welfare policy when our "intellectuals", the media goons and all the apparatchiks dismiss common sense as "the discredited theory eugenics".


    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids--to be supported by the taxpayers--or ... you'll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Replies: @Sean, @Art Deco

    Nothing I referred to had much to do with eugenics.

    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids–to be supported by the taxpayers–or … you’ll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn’t have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn’t have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.
     
    Good to hear it. Not something i've spent any cycles following.

    My memory: TANF--welfare reform--seemed to have a fairly eugenic (though not spoken of as such) goal of reducing inter-generational welfare, as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    ~

    Despite all the smearing, eugenics is fundamentally the realization that genes matter--that there indeed are "better" and "worse" people genetically--and a desire to live in a nation where the health/smart/productive/law-abiding are encouraged to breed and the incompetent/criminal discouraged.

    No "license to breed" is required.

    And asking--demanding--that people who seek/require public (i.e. taxpayer) assistance to take care of themselves not breed is not "licensing" breeding. It is a quid pro quo. And one that normies--i.e. gainfully employed, outside of the activists and some screechy churchmen--see as basically common sense. "You aren't taking care of yourself you have *no business* having a--or another--child."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Art Deco

  115. @Polistra
    @ziggurat


    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.
     
    It's almost always a combination of both, which some people refuse to grasp.

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    One trouble is that many people hear this and think the solution is simply to give money to poor people, or move them to different neighborhoods. Never mind genetics--even factors like culture and behavior are never mentioned, because reasons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.

    Blacks are especially noted for their taciturn nature. If you’ve ever been with a group of blacks, they will sit around glumly for hours and hardly ever utter a word.

    • LOL: HammerJack, Gordo
  116. Clyde says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Clyde


    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
     
    LOL.

    MacKenzie is woke as ...

    White male genius liberated women from "domestic drudgery" and children ... and then gave them cell phones so they could endless chat with each other.

    These "educated" (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie--who've gotten rich from their husband's business savvy--*know* what ails the world--it's right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college--and they are going to fix it. (And us.)


    The modern West has conducted two great experiments. One proving the reality of tribalism--and the need for nationalism--the other the reality of sexual dimorphism.

    Replies: @Clyde, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Alden

    You are right… MacKenzie Scott Bezos giving away her big-ass Bezos bucks to the usual brain dead lefty causes. Which really are jobs programs for the woke, lefties, commies and other assorted useless eaters. But my bet is Malicious Malefactor Malinda Gates will set up her own foundation while the ex-Mrs Bezos will not.

    MacKenzie Scott announces recipients of $1.67 billion in grants
    July 29, 2020
    https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/mackenzie-scott-announces-recipients-of-1.67-billion-in-grants

    Grant recipients include Howard University, which announced that it received a $40 million — the largest gift in the school’s history — from Scott, a former student of alumna Toni Morrison. The university will use the funds to meet needs in four areas, including campus infrastructure improvement projects, a new faculty development plan, a program focused on social innovation and entrepreneurship, and one of its signature retention programs, the Graduation & Retention Access to Continued Excellence (GRACE) Grant.

    Other recipients include the Advancement Project, American Indian Graduate Center, Co-Impact, Grantmakers for Girls of Color, Groundswell Fund, LatinoJustice, Movement for Black Lives, Narrative4, Point Foundation, PolicyLink, RAINN, Spelman College, and UnidosUS. Scott noted that all were awarded general operating support grants but did not disclose individual grant amounts.

    “We are so grateful for MacKenzie Bezos’ support of our work to empower LGBTQ students and springboard a new generation of LGBTQ leaders toward success,” said Jorge Valencia, executive director and CEO of the Point Foundation, the nation’s largest LGBTQ scholarship fund. “Bezos’ support comes at a critical moment as we broaden and deepen our efforts to support LGBTQ students who are Black, Indigenous, and people of color and LGBTQ students who are grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic.

  117. Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.

    Poor people in the US have TVs which they run 24 hours a day, so they hear lots of words and see lots of (fake) killings.

  118. @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    I just think it's great to see Ma'Knifey staying in the news.

    It's a great case. People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I'm one of the few so jaded i think "Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children's future".) But having normies view the video--a window into that world--does yeoman "reality check" work.

    People won't leave this exercise thinking "the problem" is "the police" or "white people". More likely "how do we get out from under this mess".

    Replies: @Rob McX

    People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I’m one of the few so jaded i think “Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children’s future”.) But having normies view the video–a window into that world–does yeoman “reality check” work.

    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we’re privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn’t earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Rob McX


    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we’re privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn’t earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.
     
    Basically excise the word "white" from your paragraph and you're generally right. Having decent genes and decent upbringing is indeed a privilege.

    Because of genes, circumstances of upbringing and luck some people (of all races) prosper in our current society and some people (of all races) don't.

    Yes, 13% do 55%, but there are plenty of black people who do fine in our society and very small minority of blacks ever kill anyone or are killed.

    In 2020 there were ~20,000 murders. Let's say 10k were by blacks. There are 44 million black people in the United States. That's still only 1 in 4000 people (or 1 in 2000 if you take the victims into account)

    Replies: @jsm

  119. Alden says:
    @Rob Lee
    Did anyone else catch that sentence in the second NYT’s Twitter post wherein they admitted that “Research shows that children fare better when remaining with family”?

    If the NYT is conceding that point, would it wrinkle their brains to suggest that the optimal situation is to advise families to pursue that situation in the first place? I know they’re talking about foster families in that post, but wouldn’t a stable biological family serve that purpose even better?

    Replies: @Alden

    The purpose of the foster home system isn’t to create an ideal society for kids to grow up in. It’s to rescue kids in dangerous parent homes and board them out in reasonably safe normal homes. In practical terms, it’s a repair department

    Reading between the lines, it appears mama Bryant was a child beater whose 4 kids were removed after being physically abused Which is different from spanking. Grandma Bryant was paid by the county to provide a home for the kids; a relative foster home placement. Grandma Bryant must have massively screwed up to be evicted. The main reason to be evicted is non payment of rent for months. Neighbors complaints , late rent payments and damage isn’t enough. And remember, grandma Bryant produced mama Bryant who produced knife girl. At least knife girl hadn’t reproduced yet.

    Used to be that only married couples could be foster parents. Idea was single foster moms were bad Married foster couples were good. But the girls in foster homes kept getting pregnant by the foster fathers.

    In America, problem is enormous because the parents, foster parents social workers and kids are mostly black and brown. So much for Hispanic family values.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    Correction The grandmother was paternal, not maternal grandmother. Grandmother Hammond who produced the no occupation but drives a Lexus career criminal father.

    I know the MEN OF UNZ fanatically disagree but the only solution is abortion today, abortion tomorrow, abortion forever

  120. @notsaying
    This whole situation is an unfortunate mess that I don't think anybody with power will do anything about or learn from.

    Why is anybody surprised that black kids are in foster care at such a high rate when their parents are poor and troubled at a much higher rate? Is there a reason we don't have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I have to wonder why the grandmother was kicked out of her apartment. She would have had extra money for taking care of her grandchildren so I am thinking it wasn't nonpayment of rent. Could it have been for things like noise and damage to the apartment? Oh, I wonder?

    These kids' abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job. Are her children even going to be employable?

    Is anybody else surprised that her mother still works in a nursing home? How could she not be fired and blackballed in Columbus nursing homes now that she is known to be a child abuser?

    Replies: @anon, @Jmaie, @jsm, @NY Girl

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to…

    Heh, thanks for the chuckle. Those who need such classes aren’t renowned for excellence in learnin’ and those who don’t…don’t.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Jmaie

    I disagree.

    I think there's a lot that teenagers of all backgrounds can learn about how to choose a good partner and parent for their children. Even more important is to learn things to avoid.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  121. Sean says:
    @gandydancer
    @Sean


    He stood between his daughter and fat girl...
     
    You are a liar. The link to the "security camera" video is in the article, but I'll repeat it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnLeKhh_z8 At no point does Hammonds stand between Stabby Girl and the woman he kicked.

    Her father’s greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk...
     
    All he really needed to say was "Don't try to stab someone to death right in front of a cop", but that's wisdom that Kicker obviously didn't possess.

    As many have observed, that he's not in jail again is the most obvious scandal about this incident.

    Replies: @Sean

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to “stab someone to death right in front of a cop” — although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide–she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon’s arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    Nah, there was very little forethought. Instead, Ma'Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Art Deco
    @Sean

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab.

    A knife is a lethal weapon.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @anon
    @Sean

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab

    "Grave bodily harm or death" is a legal term. It has meaning. That is what was threatened.

    Why are you obsessed with this?

    , @Tex
    @Sean

    Thank God there are psychics like you out there who can explain the motives of emotionally troubled teens by watching videos of them. If not, we'd just be in the dark thinking, "Damn, she's fixing to cut bee-yotch three ways, long, deep and painful."

  122. jsm says:
    @notsaying
    This whole situation is an unfortunate mess that I don't think anybody with power will do anything about or learn from.

    Why is anybody surprised that black kids are in foster care at such a high rate when their parents are poor and troubled at a much higher rate? Is there a reason we don't have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I have to wonder why the grandmother was kicked out of her apartment. She would have had extra money for taking care of her grandchildren so I am thinking it wasn't nonpayment of rent. Could it have been for things like noise and damage to the apartment? Oh, I wonder?

    These kids' abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job. Are her children even going to be employable?

    Is anybody else surprised that her mother still works in a nursing home? How could she not be fired and blackballed in Columbus nursing homes now that she is known to be a child abuser?

    Replies: @anon, @Jmaie, @jsm, @NY Girl

    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    We used to. I took it. It was called “Family Living and Child Development.” But No Child Left Behind caused the funding for such things to be diverted to “closing the Achievement Gap.” So, good use of funds, Dept. of Ed!

  123. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/BuyBookBuyBook/status/1389276960648568833?s=20

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @epebble, @Anonymous

    Is this true? Why did the market not correct itself? Once you see a bunch of “lawyers” driving Uber and making coffee at Starbucks, demand will go away and the next batch will go get a quickie “Web Developer” parchment and make six-figure income.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @epebble

    Palahniuk Fight Club


    “Clearly, every bad event in human history had been caused by a surplus of cute, young boyfriend material.”
     
  124. @Clyde
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Bill Gates got sexually blackmailed by Epstein, which likely is a factor in the divorce.
     
    I doubt it.

    As far as Ma'K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons. This must be why the Psychiatrist's big organization is absolving them of all blame these days.
    Steve, thanks for more analysis on the never ending saga of Ma'K the Knife. Like old man river, just keeps rolling along.

    How come Da Knife's father has has not been arrested?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    As far as Ma’K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons.

    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.

    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @iDeplorable


    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.
    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they’re wrong.
     
    Correct! So true--Your first paragraph!
    Plus I really think that crazy violent black crime is down from 20-30 years ago because their testosterone is down, plus no criminal fathers in the house to instruct them on violent criminality. The only jewelry I like is a good watch (I own a few) and under 100 dollars anyway. So this is far from being the bling that black males can be addicted to and their rappers especially. Aspiring rappers too.

    Watches-- Time. Being concerned about what time it is. Trying to be on time for an engagement. That's a white thing!

    Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

  125. @Sean

    Even during the Racial Reckoning, it’s unlikely a jury would find fault with the policeman’s extraordinary performance.
     
    With the deliberate shooting dead of a 16 year old girl now being held up as an exemplary way to handle a situation such as that was, you won't have long to wait for the second such occurrence, rely on it.

    Idaho cop suspended for TikTok video mocking LeBron James
    https://www.hitc.com › en-gb › 2021/04/30 › cop-susp...
    30 Apr 2021 — Following the death of Ma'Khia, a 16-year-old girl who was shot dead by a police office in Ohio, the basketball star tweeted a photo of a police ...
     
    One week without pay, then back at work half a mil richer courtesy of a GoFundMe, well deserved because Idaho cops know so much about how to deal with blacks.

    To me, the most fascinating part of the story is that all hell didn’t break loose until immediately after Ma’Khia’s kin, in the person of her father Myron Hammonds, showed up only seconds before his daughter’s death.
     
    He stood between his daughter and fat girl, which suggests he was trying to stop anything starting, but stepped away as Officer Reardon came on the scene. Bryant did not as far as as I know have a criminal record, she had been insulated from contact with law enforcers, cared for and doubtless over indulged by the system; how very naïve of her. Her father's greatest failing was to not quickly give her the Talk when he saw a white cop. It would have went something like this: "Because you are big and black , the white po-lise will deal with you as if you are a man rather than a 16 year old girl".

    Replies: @gent, @Jack D, @gandydancer, @The Plutonium Kid

    What exactly would a black person have to do before you’d concede that a police shooting was justified?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @The Plutonium Kid

    You have specified they are black; there is no such thing as a "person" outside of abstractions. Hence, I would discriminate between a teen old boy, who would have to do no more than Bryant did, and a teen girl--especially a 16 year old--who would have to draw blood with the knife before I'd reluctantly have to admit it was justified.

    Carl von Clausewitz:-


    As with a man of the world instinct becomes almost habit so that he always acts, speaks, and moves appropriately, so only the experienced officer will make the right decision in major and minor matters—at every pulsebeat of war. Practice and experience dictate the answer: ‘this is possible, that is not.’
     
    Reardon did not do anything really wrong, but I don't think his actions ought to be celebrated the way they are being. He isn't a bad guy, but he is a mediocre cop.
  126. @Sean
    @Jack D

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? Thirteen, twelve, ten? At ten she would not have been arguing over the profits of a meth lab and using a weapon on a snitch, but at most pushing and using the word "bitch" in an argument about tidying up her room.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    She wasn’t ten. She was sixteen and in most states would have been tried as an adult if she had gone ahead and killed Pink Girl.

    The police can use deadly force when they reasonably believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious harm to the officer or to others. Certainly children younger than 16 who are holding large knives can and in many cases have inflicted serious harm on others.

    Danny and Ricky Preddie stabbed another boy to death when they were aged 12 and 13. If the police had come upon them in the midst of the stabbing and they did not drop their weapons then the police would have been justified in using deadly force on them (and it would have been no great loss to society based upon their subsequent lives).

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4288489/where-damilola-taylor-killers-danny-ricky-preddie-now/

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Jack D


    If the police had come upon them in the midst of the stabbing and they did not drop their weapons then the police would have been justified in using deadly force on them (and it would have been no great loss to society based upon their subsequent lives).
     
    All depends what you mean by 'in the midst of'. If you mean before blood had been drawn, I am pretty certain that in such conditions very many police would hesitate to take it upon themselves to shoot a minor dead--especially a female one-- on the assumption they were about to stab someone. To stab someone under the noses of the police is not a 16 year old girl crime.
  127. @JR Ewing
    @ziggurat

    I participated in a mission trip with my church back in the early 2000's where we visited an orphanage in Siberia and did some construction projects and other repair work around the building while the kids were all off at "youth camp" for the summer.

    One afternoon, they took us to the camp itself to see the kids. I happen to speak Russian so I was very popular with the older kids for obvious reasons: they loved listening to the dumb foreigner with the bad accent and limited vocabulary.

    But I was even more popular with the younger kids. All they wanted was to be held in another persons arms and I was big enough to do it and was willing to pick them up and stand there holding them close while I talked to them. There was a line 10-20 kids deep at times waiting their turn and it was all I did for the whole afternoon once they realized it was available. It was kind of neat but also extremely sobering to sense up close the sadness and desperation in their lives.

    I was 30 and unmarried at the time. I had no idea how families and kids worked. Now I think back on that afternoon and I realize just how lucky my own kids are just to have two loving parents and a decently nice house to live in.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ben tillman

    Thank you so much for sharing this story. It is a real eye opener.

    You could probably turn up in a poor minority neighborhoods in America and got a line of kids waiting for an adult to hug them and talk to them for a few minutes, too. These kids need love and attention and a sense of security and not getting them has all kinds of negative consequences. People who cannot provide these things should not have kids.

    Who is trying to face the facts of what the real problems are and do something about them? Instead we have all these articles and demands about things that do not deal with the real problems.

    It is so depressing and tragic. People don’t have to keep doing the same stupid things; they do have choices. We don’t have to keep creating more Ma’Khia Bryants and her awful parents but we will.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @notsaying

    "We don’t have to keep creating more Ma’Khia Bryants and her awful parents but we will."

    Oh, spare me. I didn't crap out that murderous broodsow, or cause anyone else to do it, either. All I did was pay taxes out the arse to feed her (mission accomplished, evidently).

    Go on over to the 'hood and offer free hugs. I think that's a great idea.

  128. @notsaying
    @JR Ewing

    Thank you so much for sharing this story. It is a real eye opener.

    You could probably turn up in a poor minority neighborhoods in America and got a line of kids waiting for an adult to hug them and talk to them for a few minutes, too. These kids need love and attention and a sense of security and not getting them has all kinds of negative consequences. People who cannot provide these things should not have kids.

    Who is trying to face the facts of what the real problems are and do something about them? Instead we have all these articles and demands about things that do not deal with the real problems.

    It is so depressing and tragic. People don't have to keep doing the same stupid things; they do have choices. We don't have to keep creating more Ma'Khia Bryants and her awful parents but we will.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    “We don’t have to keep creating more Ma’Khia Bryants and her awful parents but we will.”

    Oh, spare me. I didn’t crap out that murderous broodsow, or cause anyone else to do it, either. All I did was pay taxes out the arse to feed her (mission accomplished, evidently).

    Go on over to the ‘hood and offer free hugs. I think that’s a great idea.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  129. @Sean
    @gent

    She died for holding a knife while not obeying his command to 'get down', which she naively thought did not mean she was about to be shot four times.

    Replies: @anon

    She died for holding a knife …

    No.

  130. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing I referred to had much to do with eugenics.


    Incompetent/useless/violent people can not be allowed to continue to pump out kids–to be supported by the taxpayers–or … you’ll have an endless stream of incompetent/useless/violent people to be supported by the taxpayers.

    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn't have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn’t have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.

    Good to hear it. Not something i’ve spent any cycles following.

    My memory: TANF–welfare reform–seemed to have a fairly eugenic (though not spoken of as such) goal of reducing inter-generational welfare, as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    ~

    Despite all the smearing, eugenics is fundamentally the realization that genes matter–that there indeed are “better” and “worse” people genetically–and a desire to live in a nation where the health/smart/productive/law-abiding are encouraged to breed and the incompetent/criminal discouraged.

    No “license to breed” is required.

    And asking–demanding–that people who seek/require public (i.e. taxpayer) assistance to take care of themselves not breed is not “licensing” breeding. It is a quid pro quo. And one that normies–i.e. gainfully employed, outside of the activists and some screechy churchmen–see as basically common sense. “You aren’t taking care of yourself you have *no business* having a–or another–child.”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Back to TANF:

    My--vague--understanding is that good progress has been made since the '90s on "teen pregnancy". How much from welfare reform? No idea.

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there's been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    The numbers i carry around in my head--and i believe still more or less accurate:
    black -- 70% (and American Indians as well)
    latino -- 50%
    white -- 25-30%
    asian -- 10-15%
    overall ... an appalling 40%.

    Illegitimacy is correlated with both lower genetic "input" and lower environmental circumstances. Lose-lose.

    After stopping immigration, having a serious eugenic policy--encouraging marriage and fertility of productive middle class people and squeezing fertility in the under/criminal class--would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse, @Alden

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    No. The goal was getting recipients off the rolls and into wage-employment.

  131. @Polistra
    @ziggurat


    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.
     
    It's almost always a combination of both, which some people refuse to grasp.

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    One trouble is that many people hear this and think the solution is simply to give money to poor people, or move them to different neighborhoods. Never mind genetics--even factors like culture and behavior are never mentioned, because reasons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.

    Young black kids here a lot of words.

    They just may not be the words kids are supposed to repeat in school.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @jsm
    @AnotherDad

    I was gonna say that.

    Black kids hear lots of words. Lots and lots. Just not a big variety of words. Rather small, actually. In fact, they're endless repetitions of the same 4 variants on the vulgar term for reproduction.

  132. @Altai
    A family I knew adopted a Romanian orphan about 30 years ago. They were exactly the kind of middle class nice people who adopted Romanian babies circa 1990. The child broke their hearts, he is just a bundle of undesirable traits. A wannabe thug and spiv obsessed with money and status (Though very bad at acquiring either, at least legally) who even recorded his own rap songs. And no, there was no environmental influence that could account for this from peer osmosis. That lifestyle and those values just innately appealed to him.

    Very sad. The ultimate in nature over nurture. We can only imagine that in the modern era the kinds of men who fathered children who ended up in orphanages are much more likely to have certain traits and personality disorders. Not to mention the mothers. Gone are the days or ordinary families giving children up for adoption through sheer inability to feed them at all.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @John Johnson, @ziggurat, @Lurker, @Stan Adams, @Gordo

    Gypsy?

  133. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn’t have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.
     
    Good to hear it. Not something i've spent any cycles following.

    My memory: TANF--welfare reform--seemed to have a fairly eugenic (though not spoken of as such) goal of reducing inter-generational welfare, as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    ~

    Despite all the smearing, eugenics is fundamentally the realization that genes matter--that there indeed are "better" and "worse" people genetically--and a desire to live in a nation where the health/smart/productive/law-abiding are encouraged to breed and the incompetent/criminal discouraged.

    No "license to breed" is required.

    And asking--demanding--that people who seek/require public (i.e. taxpayer) assistance to take care of themselves not breed is not "licensing" breeding. It is a quid pro quo. And one that normies--i.e. gainfully employed, outside of the activists and some screechy churchmen--see as basically common sense. "You aren't taking care of yourself you have *no business* having a--or another--child."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Art Deco

    Back to TANF:

    My–vague–understanding is that good progress has been made since the ’90s on “teen pregnancy”. How much from welfare reform? No idea.

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there’s been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    The numbers i carry around in my head–and i believe still more or less accurate:
    black — 70% (and American Indians as well)
    latino — 50%
    white — 25-30%
    asian — 10-15%
    overall … an appalling 40%.

    Illegitimacy is correlated with both lower genetic “input” and lower environmental circumstances. Lose-lose.

    After stopping immigration, having a serious eugenic policy–encouraging marriage and fertility of productive middle class people and squeezing fertility in the under/criminal class–would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there’s been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    Material incentives were a weak vector in influencing the quantum of illegitimacy. Bearing an illegitimate child in 1960 was massively status-lowering.

    I'm remembering an unmarried lawyer in my office pregnant and a mess of the women twittering about the baby due. That was in 1990. The lawyer in question is now 67 years old and is GC of a construction company in Buffalo. Don't know what happened to the kid.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @AnotherDad

    "would be job #2 in making life better for Americans."

    Just as the black grandmother expected the State to raise her granddaughter, you expect too much of the State.

    "Making life better" has never been on the agenda.

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Do you ever think about anything but the sex and reproduction activities of people you don’t know and will never meet??

    Read any good books , seen anything good on YouTube lately? Buying any spring clothes? Doing some gardening? What sport do you follow or play? Any other topic interest you but complete strangers sex and reproductive lives?

  134. Sean says:
    @Jack D
    @Sean

    She wasn't ten. She was sixteen and in most states would have been tried as an adult if she had gone ahead and killed Pink Girl.

    The police can use deadly force when they reasonably believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious harm to the officer or to others. Certainly children younger than 16 who are holding large knives can and in many cases have inflicted serious harm on others.

    Danny and Ricky Preddie stabbed another boy to death when they were aged 12 and 13. If the police had come upon them in the midst of the stabbing and they did not drop their weapons then the police would have been justified in using deadly force on them (and it would have been no great loss to society based upon their subsequent lives).

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4288489/where-damilola-taylor-killers-danny-ricky-preddie-now/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nintchdbpict000347105367.jpg?w=670

    Replies: @Sean

    If the police had come upon them in the midst of the stabbing and they did not drop their weapons then the police would have been justified in using deadly force on them (and it would have been no great loss to society based upon their subsequent lives).

    All depends what you mean by ‘in the midst of’. If you mean before blood had been drawn, I am pretty certain that in such conditions very many police would hesitate to take it upon themselves to shoot a minor dead–especially a female one– on the assumption they were about to stab someone. To stab someone under the noses of the police is not a 16 year old girl crime.

  135. @Gilbert Ratchet
    "while holding a knife"

    How about "wielding a knife"? Or "attempting to commit murder"?

    Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    How about “wielding a knife”? Or “attempting to commit murder”?

    “Acting out a scene from ‘Scarface’ in real life”?

  136. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Again, the census on TANF in 2019 was 1/3 the size of the census on AFDC in 1995. You didn’t have to institute a licensing requirement for procreation in order to accomplish that.
     
    Good to hear it. Not something i've spent any cycles following.

    My memory: TANF--welfare reform--seemed to have a fairly eugenic (though not spoken of as such) goal of reducing inter-generational welfare, as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    ~

    Despite all the smearing, eugenics is fundamentally the realization that genes matter--that there indeed are "better" and "worse" people genetically--and a desire to live in a nation where the health/smart/productive/law-abiding are encouraged to breed and the incompetent/criminal discouraged.

    No "license to breed" is required.

    And asking--demanding--that people who seek/require public (i.e. taxpayer) assistance to take care of themselves not breed is not "licensing" breeding. It is a quid pro quo. And one that normies--i.e. gainfully employed, outside of the activists and some screechy churchmen--see as basically common sense. "You aren't taking care of yourself you have *no business* having a--or another--child."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Art Deco

    as well as a pretty directly eugenic goal of reducing on-welfare births (states were allowed to stop additional child payments) and then the social goal of promoting work (which also has indirect, fertility suppressing hence eugenic effects).

    No. The goal was getting recipients off the rolls and into wage-employment.

  137. @ziggurat
    @Altai

    Many years ago, I heard some NPR story that Romanian orphanages used to be virtually deprivation chambers. No one would even touch the kids. So, they were permanently damaged even before they were adopted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/06/severe-childhood-deprivation-reduces-brain-size-study-finds


    Children who experience severe deprivation early in life have smaller brains in adulthood, researchers have found.

    The findings are based on scans of young adults who were adopted as children into UK families from Romania’s orphanages that rose under the regime of the dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu.

    Now experts say that despite the children having been adopted into loving, nurturing families in the early 1990s, the early neglect appears to have left its mark on their brain structures.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.

    ...

    One area, which included the right inferior frontal gyrus, was smaller in the Romanian adoptees even than expected from the reduced overall brain size. This area is a key centre for executive control circuits.
     

    This is a case of a lack of nurture, not nature.

    Replies: @Polistra, @JR Ewing, @Elli, @ginger bread man

    I know someone, around 30 years old, who was adopted from Romania around the mid 90s. She and her brother are both extremely socially unwell, and she transitioned to being a man two years ago. Constantly posts on facebook about the regret “he” feels toward the decision. A very sad situation

    • Thanks: ziggurat
  138. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Back to TANF:

    My--vague--understanding is that good progress has been made since the '90s on "teen pregnancy". How much from welfare reform? No idea.

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there's been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    The numbers i carry around in my head--and i believe still more or less accurate:
    black -- 70% (and American Indians as well)
    latino -- 50%
    white -- 25-30%
    asian -- 10-15%
    overall ... an appalling 40%.

    Illegitimacy is correlated with both lower genetic "input" and lower environmental circumstances. Lose-lose.

    After stopping immigration, having a serious eugenic policy--encouraging marriage and fertility of productive middle class people and squeezing fertility in the under/criminal class--would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse, @Alden

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there’s been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    Material incentives were a weak vector in influencing the quantum of illegitimacy. Bearing an illegitimate child in 1960 was massively status-lowering.

    I’m remembering an unmarried lawyer in my office pregnant and a mess of the women twittering about the baby due. That was in 1990. The lawyer in question is now 67 years old and is GC of a construction company in Buffalo. Don’t know what happened to the kid.

  139. @Sean
    @Jack D

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? Thirteen, twelve, ten? At ten she would not have been arguing over the profits of a meth lab and using a weapon on a snitch, but at most pushing and using the word "bitch" in an argument about tidying up her room.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    A girl is a female of a certain age. All other things being equal, how young would she have had to have been for it to be impermissible to shoot her? T

    Young enough to not threaten someone else’s life with a knife. This isn’t that difficult.

  140. The whole thing is really sad. But the NYtimes believes that it’s doing the nation a favor by framing the narrative in this way.

    The authors at the NYTimes believe its their job to be parents for their readers, sanitizing dories so that nobody gets scarred or hurt. If your children were exposed to pornography, terrorism, rape or even homelessness for the first time, you as a parent would need to give your kids an explanation thats soft, gentle and won’t harm their youthful sensibilities. The soothsayers at the NYTimes are crafting a narrative to convince you that the boogeyman you saw with your own two eyes isn’t real.

  141. @Sean
    @gandydancer

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to "stab someone to death right in front of a cop" -- although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide--she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon's arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @anon, @Tex

    Nah, there was very little forethought. Instead, Ma’Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Steve Sailer


    Nah, there was very little forethought
     
    People often mistake themselves, but they never forget themselves. Bryant either wanted to die, or did not think she'd be shot for what she was doing. Remember that this was a 16 year old female, with many unrealistic notions. She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene, and the woman in pink trying to blindside regardless of the cop's presence shows how justified Bryant was in thinking she'd be jumped by two women.

    Ma’Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds
     
    If she miscalculated how long it would take her to stab is what you are saying, I think she had the time to do much more than she did, which was zilch. If you are right and there was an awareness she'd be shot if she went at them holding a knife menacingly, rather than going berserk she went absent mindedly suicidal. You'll never see a girl knowingly doing something like you are suggesting at Bryant's age (which is pre maximum fertility by the way). In law she assaulted them with a deadly weapon by brandishing the knife while pushing them, but she didn't actually attack them or anyone else with the knife over several seconds of contact. It cannot be helped that blacks will now in 'better judged by 12 than carried by 6' style take notice of how she was shot down.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

  142. vhrm says:
    @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    People will pay it some attention, because basically no one likes seeing a 16-year old girl get killed. (I’m one of the few so jaded i think “Eugenic win! Very tiny improvement in my children’s future”.) But having normies view the video–a window into that world–does yeoman “reality check” work.
     
    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we're privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn't earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.

    Replies: @vhrm

    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we’re privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn’t earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.

    Basically excise the word “white” from your paragraph and you’re generally right. Having decent genes and decent upbringing is indeed a privilege.

    Because of genes, circumstances of upbringing and luck some people (of all races) prosper in our current society and some people (of all races) don’t.

    Yes, 13% do 55%, but there are plenty of black people who do fine in our society and very small minority of blacks ever kill anyone or are killed.

    In 2020 there were ~20,000 murders. Let’s say 10k were by blacks. There are 44 million black people in the United States. That’s still only 1 in 4000 people (or 1 in 2000 if you take the victims into account)

    • Replies: @jsm
    @vhrm

    Per year.

    But multiply by the 20 years of thuglife (13 - 33) and you've got 1 in 4oo. (Or 1 in 200 if you take victims into account.) That's not rare, that's common.

  143. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alexander Turok

    Why did Bill Gates give $2 million to Jeffrey Epstein?

    Extortion.

    Epstein likely had a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alexander Turok, @Anonymous

    a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion

    I don’t think that happened, and even if it did, I don’t see why I should care. I remember being in high school and lots and lots of 16 year old girls were having sex. I was angry, of course, that they weren’t doing it with me. But why should I be particularly enraged if a few of them were doing it with Bill Gates for money rather than with Chad for their own gratification? Bill Gates seems like a prick but he never stuffed me into a locker.

    I don’t think there’s gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think there’s gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.
     
    So far in the US this is a taboo that has, if anything, apparently become even stronger in the past 30 years.

    Under 18 year old females are innocent children who are necessarily damaged in irreparable ways by any sexual interest from, let alone contact with, males 18 and over and even more so those dirty old men pervert adults ... say over 21 years old.

    As you mention sex w/ Chad is good and wholesome for some reason and any parent who objects is also a prude and a criminal...
    besides she had her mandatory HPV vaccine at 12 so what's the worry?
    and if she decides that she IS Chad and needs some hormones and surgery it's also a crime to tell her she maybe shouldn't ...

    But nevermind that! Those sick cis het adult male rape culturists are still existential danger number 1 to our pure children. Did i mention they're sick and disgusting ?
    Oh wait did she turn 18 and is selling nudes on Fans Only and special services at the local massage parlor? What's you're problem you prudish old man?! she's a proud and empowered sox worker. Who are you to even comment on what she chooses to do with her body?! Sicko!

    and... scene!

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    He likely was being sexually blackmailed by Mossad, as were a significant fraction of the global elite.

  144. @Sean
    @gandydancer

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to "stab someone to death right in front of a cop" -- although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide--she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon's arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @anon, @Tex

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab.

    A knife is a lethal weapon.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Art Deco

    Only if you use it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  145. Sean says:
    @The Plutonium Kid
    @Sean

    What exactly would a black person have to do before you'd concede that a police shooting was justified?

    Replies: @Sean

    You have specified they are black; there is no such thing as a “person” outside of abstractions. Hence, I would discriminate between a teen old boy, who would have to do no more than Bryant did, and a teen girl–especially a 16 year old–who would have to draw blood with the knife before I’d reluctantly have to admit it was justified.

    Carl von Clausewitz:-

    As with a man of the world instinct becomes almost habit so that he always acts, speaks, and moves appropriately, so only the experienced officer will make the right decision in major and minor matters—at every pulsebeat of war. Practice and experience dictate the answer: ‘this is possible, that is not.’

    Reardon did not do anything really wrong, but I don’t think his actions ought to be celebrated the way they are being. He isn’t a bad guy, but he is a mediocre cop.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Disagree: gandydancer
  146. @Art Deco
    @Sean

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab.

    A knife is a lethal weapon.

    Replies: @Sean

    Only if you use it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sean

    You're assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that's what she was doing.

    Replies: @Sean

  147. @Jmaie
    @notsaying


    Is there a reason we don’t have classes in school on how to...
     
    Heh, thanks for the chuckle. Those who need such classes aren't renowned for excellence in learnin' and those who don't...don't.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I disagree.

    I think there’s a lot that teenagers of all backgrounds can learn about how to choose a good partner and parent for their children. Even more important is to learn things to avoid.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @notsaying

    From the graduates of this nation's teacher's colleges?

  148. It’s grandma’s fault, she raised the failure of a mother, then allowed the State to decide what to do with her granddaughter.

    Now that her granddaughter is dead, grandma is concerned about the treatment provided by the State.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SaneClownPosse

    The grandmother in the NYT article is the paternal grandmother.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @SaneClownPosse

    The grandmother in the NYT article is the paternal grandmother.

  149. @Sean
    @gandydancer

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to "stab someone to death right in front of a cop" -- although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide--she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon's arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @anon, @Tex

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab

    “Grave bodily harm or death” is a legal term. It has meaning. That is what was threatened.

    Why are you obsessed with this?

  150. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    Nah, there was very little forethought. Instead, Ma'Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds.

    Replies: @Sean

    Nah, there was very little forethought

    People often mistake themselves, but they never forget themselves. Bryant either wanted to die, or did not think she’d be shot for what she was doing. Remember that this was a 16 year old female, with many unrealistic notions. She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene, and the woman in pink trying to blindside regardless of the cop’s presence shows how justified Bryant was in thinking she’d be jumped by two women.

    Ma’Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds

    If she miscalculated how long it would take her to stab is what you are saying, I think she had the time to do much more than she did, which was zilch. If you are right and there was an awareness she’d be shot if she went at them holding a knife menacingly, rather than going berserk she went absent mindedly suicidal. You’ll never see a girl knowingly doing something like you are suggesting at Bryant’s age (which is pre maximum fertility by the way). In law she assaulted them with a deadly weapon by brandishing the knife while pushing them, but she didn’t actually attack them or anyone else with the knife over several seconds of contact. It cannot be helped that blacks will now in ‘better judged by 12 than carried by 6’ style take notice of how she was shot down.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Sean


    Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children
     

    took the opportunity of Reardon’s arrival to frighten the adult women
     

    She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene
     
    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl? Is there anybody else's mind you can read, retroactively?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sean

    , @AceDeuce
    @Sean

    Wow, is this a parody/troll thing?

    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown/Freudian analysis of the thought processes of a violent Gen Z negro broodsow. Talking about trying to pick the flyschitt out of the pepper. Have fun with that.

    You should foster a few of these darlings (Pro tip: hide your cutlery).

    Replies: @Sean

  151. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Back to TANF:

    My--vague--understanding is that good progress has been made since the '90s on "teen pregnancy". How much from welfare reform? No idea.

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there's been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    The numbers i carry around in my head--and i believe still more or less accurate:
    black -- 70% (and American Indians as well)
    latino -- 50%
    white -- 25-30%
    asian -- 10-15%
    overall ... an appalling 40%.

    Illegitimacy is correlated with both lower genetic "input" and lower environmental circumstances. Lose-lose.

    After stopping immigration, having a serious eugenic policy--encouraging marriage and fertility of productive middle class people and squeezing fertility in the under/criminal class--would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse, @Alden

    “would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.”

    Just as the black grandmother expected the State to raise her granddaughter, you expect too much of the State.

    “Making life better” has never been on the agenda.

  152. @Polistra
    @tyrone

    Er... defendant...

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Plaintiff as in suing the Police and everybody in sight for his baby’s unfortunate demise.

  153. @AnotherDad
    @Clyde


    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
     
    LOL.

    MacKenzie is woke as ...

    White male genius liberated women from "domestic drudgery" and children ... and then gave them cell phones so they could endless chat with each other.

    These "educated" (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie--who've gotten rich from their husband's business savvy--*know* what ails the world--it's right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college--and they are going to fix it. (And us.)


    The modern West has conducted two great experiments. One proving the reality of tribalism--and the need for nationalism--the other the reality of sexual dimorphism.

    Replies: @Clyde, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Alden

    These “educated” (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie–who’ve gotten rich from their husband’s business savvy–*know* what ails the world–it’s right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college–and they are going to fix it. (And us.)

    This is very well-stated.

    Western societies are dominated by neo-gnostic busybodies and jobsworths.

    This already is a recipe for annoying problems and dysfunction. The even greater disaster is that the aims of the Melindas and McKenzies are becoming ever more grandiose and Satanic, as they pursue DIY theosis by elevating themselves to the role of subsitute saviors of the great oppressed.

  154. @SaneClownPosse
    It's grandma's fault, she raised the failure of a mother, then allowed the State to decide what to do with her granddaughter.

    Now that her granddaughter is dead, grandma is concerned about the treatment provided by the State.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    The grandmother in the NYT article is the paternal grandmother.

  155. @SaneClownPosse
    It's grandma's fault, she raised the failure of a mother, then allowed the State to decide what to do with her granddaughter.

    Now that her granddaughter is dead, grandma is concerned about the treatment provided by the State.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    The grandmother in the NYT article is the paternal grandmother.

  156. @Sean
    @Art Deco

    Only if you use it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Art Deco


    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing
     
    When the shots started it can be seen from Reardon's bodycam that Ma’Khia Bryant was standing at right angles to him with her feet planted in line in a wide stance and her arms were more or less over her legs. When she was hit her left foot furthest away from Reardon came up off the ground. That frame was shown implying it was just before the first shot, and so it had interrupted a forward motion of Bryant especially of her right side and the right arm holding the knife that can be seen on the neighbor video to have been held back on the other side of her body from the woman in pink.

    Sixteen year old girls are naïve, and one can see from her reaction that being shot was a tremendous shock to Bryant. AOTBE but with her having survived, convicting her of attempted murder would have been impossible. Contrary to what Chief Woods said at the press conference, the bodycam does not show Bryant trying to stab two women that she was assaulting while holding a knife, so I suppose those knife wounds they got must have been an accident. Oh, sorry there were no knife wounds sustained by anyone in the incident so what Woods is saying is simply a lie.

    Reardon yelled "Get down" four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing. This was a matter of extreme seriousness and a better warning certainly ought to have been given, because he had the time and is supposed to be a trained professional; he lacks the mental bandwidth for issuing effective commands simultaneous with gun handling under conditions of stress while dealing with idiots. You don't expect common sense from teenagers, but a sound cop would discriminate between a teen boy (who'd need to be shot) and a girl doing what Bryant did, even if the law does not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

  157. @notsaying
    @Jmaie

    I disagree.

    I think there's a lot that teenagers of all backgrounds can learn about how to choose a good partner and parent for their children. Even more important is to learn things to avoid.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    From the graduates of this nation’s teacher’s colleges?

  158. @interesting
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "If she’d been rushing at the girl, trapping her against a car, with her arm about to strike"

    AND that is exactly what did happen.

    What I find odd in all this is.......where's the interview from the girl in pink who was almost stabbed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @joe_mama, @Alden

    She’s hiding out because of death threats.

  159. @curtis dunkel
    I often think of this and what a ballless POS I would be if I didn't.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262958/Christina-Eilman-Chicago-pays-22-5-MILLION-woman-gang-raped-plummeted-seventh-story-window-police-failed-proper-care-her.html

    Replies: @Alden

    Thanks I remember the case. If I’ve done nothing else in my life I put some of those animals in cages for a few years and kept women safe till they were released.

  160. vhrm says:
    @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion
     
    I don't think that happened, and even if it did, I don't see why I should care. I remember being in high school and lots and lots of 16 year old girls were having sex. I was angry, of course, that they weren't doing it with me. But why should I be particularly enraged if a few of them were doing it with Bill Gates for money rather than with Chad for their own gratification? Bill Gates seems like a prick but he never stuffed me into a locker.

    I don't think there's gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.

    Replies: @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    I don’t think there’s gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.

    So far in the US this is a taboo that has, if anything, apparently become even stronger in the past 30 years.

    Under 18 year old females are innocent children who are necessarily damaged in irreparable ways by any sexual interest from, let alone contact with, males 18 and over and even more so those dirty old men pervert adults … say over 21 years old.

    As you mention sex w/ Chad is good and wholesome for some reason and any parent who objects is also a prude and a criminal…
    besides she had her mandatory HPV vaccine at 12 so what’s the worry?
    and if she decides that she IS Chad and needs some hormones and surgery it’s also a crime to tell her she maybe shouldn’t …

    But nevermind that! Those sick cis het adult male rape culturists are still existential danger number 1 to our pure children. Did i mention they’re sick and disgusting ?
    Oh wait did she turn 18 and is selling nudes on Fans Only and special services at the local massage parlor? What’s you’re problem you prudish old man?! she’s a proud and empowered sox worker. Who are you to even comment on what she chooses to do with her body?! Sicko!

    and… scene!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @vhrm

    Not just under 18 year old females. First of all, remember that it is a first premise of feminism that consent to sexual contact can be withdrawn AT ANY TIME. At any time includes AFTER the incident in question - sometimes MANY YEARS afterward. Once consent is withdrawn, the act in question becomes rape.

    Second, the character of the female has no bearing on her ability to withdraw consent. Never question women. Even actual prostitutes have the right to retroactively withdraw consent.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9537707/Former-porn-star-accused-Josh-Duggar-brutal-rape-says-hopes-hes-jailed-forever.html

    If having sex with an adult female prostitute after paying her her agreed upon price is rape, is there any sex act (performed by a heterosexual male upon a female) that is NOT rape?

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

  161. @Alden
    @Rob Lee

    The purpose of the foster home system isn’t to create an ideal society for kids to grow up in. It’s to rescue kids in dangerous parent homes and board them out in reasonably safe normal homes. In practical terms, it’s a repair department

    Reading between the lines, it appears mama Bryant was a child beater whose 4 kids were removed after being physically abused Which is different from spanking. Grandma Bryant was paid by the county to provide a home for the kids; a relative foster home placement. Grandma Bryant must have massively screwed up to be evicted. The main reason to be evicted is non payment of rent for months. Neighbors complaints , late rent payments and damage isn’t enough. And remember, grandma Bryant produced mama Bryant who produced knife girl. At least knife girl hadn’t reproduced yet.

    Used to be that only married couples could be foster parents. Idea was single foster moms were bad Married foster couples were good. But the girls in foster homes kept getting pregnant by the foster fathers.

    In America, problem is enormous because the parents, foster parents social workers and kids are mostly black and brown. So much for Hispanic family values.

    Replies: @Alden

    Correction The grandmother was paternal, not maternal grandmother. Grandmother Hammond who produced the no occupation but drives a Lexus career criminal father.

    I know the MEN OF UNZ fanatically disagree but the only solution is abortion today, abortion tomorrow, abortion forever

  162. @Art Deco
    @Sean

    You're assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that's what she was doing.

    Replies: @Sean

    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing

    When the shots started it can be seen from Reardon’s bodycam that Ma’Khia Bryant was standing at right angles to him with her feet planted in line in a wide stance and her arms were more or less over her legs. When she was hit her left foot furthest away from Reardon came up off the ground. That frame was shown implying it was just before the first shot, and so it had interrupted a forward motion of Bryant especially of her right side and the right arm holding the knife that can be seen on the neighbor video to have been held back on the other side of her body from the woman in pink.

    Sixteen year old girls are naïve, and one can see from her reaction that being shot was a tremendous shock to Bryant. AOTBE but with her having survived, convicting her of attempted murder would have been impossible. Contrary to what Chief Woods said at the press conference, the bodycam does not show Bryant trying to stab two women that she was assaulting while holding a knife, so I suppose those knife wounds they got must have been an accident. Oh, sorry there were no knife wounds sustained by anyone in the incident so what Woods is saying is simply a lie.

    Reardon yelled “Get down” four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing. This was a matter of extreme seriousness and a better warning certainly ought to have been given, because he had the time and is supposed to be a trained professional; he lacks the mental bandwidth for issuing effective commands simultaneous with gun handling under conditions of stress while dealing with idiots. You don’t expect common sense from teenagers, but a sound cop would discriminate between a teen boy (who’d need to be shot) and a girl doing what Bryant did, even if the law does not.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    I think you have been confusing super slow-mo with real life.

    , @res
    @Sean

    This is fascinating. Sean, if you are not a bot, could you please say something about why your incredibly contrived interpretation of this event is so important to you?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Sean


    Reardon yelled “Get down” four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing.
     
    If you ever hear a cop shout "Get down" four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    Replies: @Sean, @gandydancer

  163. @Sean
    @Art Deco


    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing
     
    When the shots started it can be seen from Reardon's bodycam that Ma’Khia Bryant was standing at right angles to him with her feet planted in line in a wide stance and her arms were more or less over her legs. When she was hit her left foot furthest away from Reardon came up off the ground. That frame was shown implying it was just before the first shot, and so it had interrupted a forward motion of Bryant especially of her right side and the right arm holding the knife that can be seen on the neighbor video to have been held back on the other side of her body from the woman in pink.

    Sixteen year old girls are naïve, and one can see from her reaction that being shot was a tremendous shock to Bryant. AOTBE but with her having survived, convicting her of attempted murder would have been impossible. Contrary to what Chief Woods said at the press conference, the bodycam does not show Bryant trying to stab two women that she was assaulting while holding a knife, so I suppose those knife wounds they got must have been an accident. Oh, sorry there were no knife wounds sustained by anyone in the incident so what Woods is saying is simply a lie.

    Reardon yelled "Get down" four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing. This was a matter of extreme seriousness and a better warning certainly ought to have been given, because he had the time and is supposed to be a trained professional; he lacks the mental bandwidth for issuing effective commands simultaneous with gun handling under conditions of stress while dealing with idiots. You don't expect common sense from teenagers, but a sound cop would discriminate between a teen boy (who'd need to be shot) and a girl doing what Bryant did, even if the law does not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    I think you have been confusing super slow-mo with real life.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  164. @iDeplorable
    @Clyde


    As far as Ma’K the Knife goes, her father looks oddly femmed up in the video plus is wearing two sparkly earrings. Lots of the black community is just plain loony-toons.
     
    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.

    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they're wrong.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.
    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they’re wrong.

    Correct! So true–Your first paragraph!
    Plus I really think that crazy violent black crime is down from 20-30 years ago because their testosterone is down, plus no criminal fathers in the house to instruct them on violent criminality. The only jewelry I like is a good watch (I own a few) and under 100 dollars anyway. So this is far from being the bling that black males can be addicted to and their rappers especially. Aspiring rappers too.

    Watches– Time. Being concerned about what time it is. Trying to be on time for an engagement. That’s a white thing!

    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Clyde


    The only jewelry I like is a good watch.....
     
    The only jewelry that a gentleman owns is a watch, cuff links, and a wedding band.
  165. @Sean
    @Steve Sailer


    Nah, there was very little forethought
     
    People often mistake themselves, but they never forget themselves. Bryant either wanted to die, or did not think she'd be shot for what she was doing. Remember that this was a 16 year old female, with many unrealistic notions. She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene, and the woman in pink trying to blindside regardless of the cop's presence shows how justified Bryant was in thinking she'd be jumped by two women.

    Ma’Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds
     
    If she miscalculated how long it would take her to stab is what you are saying, I think she had the time to do much more than she did, which was zilch. If you are right and there was an awareness she'd be shot if she went at them holding a knife menacingly, rather than going berserk she went absent mindedly suicidal. You'll never see a girl knowingly doing something like you are suggesting at Bryant's age (which is pre maximum fertility by the way). In law she assaulted them with a deadly weapon by brandishing the knife while pushing them, but she didn't actually attack them or anyone else with the knife over several seconds of contact. It cannot be helped that blacks will now in 'better judged by 12 than carried by 6' style take notice of how she was shot down.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

    Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children

    took the opportunity of Reardon’s arrival to frighten the adult women

    She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene

    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl? Is there anybody else’s mind you can read, retroactively?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    There is a name for this technique - it's called fiction. It's used a lot nowadays by modern Leftist journalists to excuse the bad behavior of minorities. Sean is just copying their technique.

    Too bad the officer did not have the benefit of Sean's mind reading/fiction authoring skills. All he had to go on was the sight of a giant size young woman brandishing a large knife against another woman who was pinned against a car and yelling "I'm gonna stab the fuck out of you, bitch". Such poor policing for him to take this situation at face value when a police officer/social worker who was properly edjumacated and attuned to the folkways of the African-American community would have seen that Pink Girl was in fact at no risk whatsoever - you really have to go MUCH deeper than superficial appearances and examine African modes of discourse beginning in 1619 and much earlier than that, blah, blah, etc.

    , @Sean
    @William Badwhite


    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl
     
    By seeing what her actions were.; the same way as any juror would. Those two female antagonists of Bryant acted in a way that was very telling; they knew Bryant well and were not in the least afraid of her, and judging by the fact that neither was injure by the knife they were right to be unafraid of her even though they knew she had picked up a knife to assert herself ten minutes before and was still holding it (as far as I know Bryant came out still openly carrying it and they could see it was in her hand). One got in her face and spat on Bryant's little sis, the other tried to jump her. Neither tried to get away from her, instead they went right over to her and were pushed back rather than having the blade used on them. Now you see if you can tell what was on the mind of this woman with a knife


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQQ_magA8Rk
    Or this one
    https://media.nbcnewyork.com/2021/03/subway-attack-bk.png

    Replies: @gandydancer

  166. @William Badwhite
    @Sean


    Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children
     

    took the opportunity of Reardon’s arrival to frighten the adult women
     

    She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene
     
    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl? Is there anybody else's mind you can read, retroactively?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sean

    There is a name for this technique – it’s called fiction. It’s used a lot nowadays by modern Leftist journalists to excuse the bad behavior of minorities. Sean is just copying their technique.

    Too bad the officer did not have the benefit of Sean’s mind reading/fiction authoring skills. All he had to go on was the sight of a giant size young woman brandishing a large knife against another woman who was pinned against a car and yelling “I’m gonna stab the fuck out of you, bitch”. Such poor policing for him to take this situation at face value when a police officer/social worker who was properly edjumacated and attuned to the folkways of the African-American community would have seen that Pink Girl was in fact at no risk whatsoever – you really have to go MUCH deeper than superficial appearances and examine African modes of discourse beginning in 1619 and much earlier than that, blah, blah, etc.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke, Clyde
  167. @vhrm
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think there’s gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.
     
    So far in the US this is a taboo that has, if anything, apparently become even stronger in the past 30 years.

    Under 18 year old females are innocent children who are necessarily damaged in irreparable ways by any sexual interest from, let alone contact with, males 18 and over and even more so those dirty old men pervert adults ... say over 21 years old.

    As you mention sex w/ Chad is good and wholesome for some reason and any parent who objects is also a prude and a criminal...
    besides she had her mandatory HPV vaccine at 12 so what's the worry?
    and if she decides that she IS Chad and needs some hormones and surgery it's also a crime to tell her she maybe shouldn't ...

    But nevermind that! Those sick cis het adult male rape culturists are still existential danger number 1 to our pure children. Did i mention they're sick and disgusting ?
    Oh wait did she turn 18 and is selling nudes on Fans Only and special services at the local massage parlor? What's you're problem you prudish old man?! she's a proud and empowered sox worker. Who are you to even comment on what she chooses to do with her body?! Sicko!

    and... scene!

    Replies: @Jack D

    Not just under 18 year old females. First of all, remember that it is a first premise of feminism that consent to sexual contact can be withdrawn AT ANY TIME. At any time includes AFTER the incident in question – sometimes MANY YEARS afterward. Once consent is withdrawn, the act in question becomes rape.

    Second, the character of the female has no bearing on her ability to withdraw consent. Never question women. Even actual prostitutes have the right to retroactively withdraw consent.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9537707/Former-porn-star-accused-Josh-Duggar-brutal-rape-says-hopes-hes-jailed-forever.html

    If having sex with an adult female prostitute after paying her her agreed upon price is rape, is there any sex act (performed by a heterosexual male upon a female) that is NOT rape?

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @Jack D

    I was at the Third Judicial Court in Detroit, and my lawyers next case was exactly this. He was defending a “John” accused of rape. He told me outside he was almost positive she was lying. He didn’t pay her what she expected.

    Who in their right mind would p/u a bf off the streets of the D for sex?

  168. Sean says:
    @William Badwhite
    @Sean


    Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children
     

    took the opportunity of Reardon’s arrival to frighten the adult women
     

    She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene
     
    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl? Is there anybody else's mind you can read, retroactively?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sean

    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl

    By seeing what her actions were.; the same way as any juror would. Those two female antagonists of Bryant acted in a way that was very telling; they knew Bryant well and were not in the least afraid of her, and judging by the fact that neither was injure by the knife they were right to be unafraid of her even though they knew she had picked up a knife to assert herself ten minutes before and was still holding it (as far as I know Bryant came out still openly carrying it and they could see it was in her hand). One got in her face and spat on Bryant’s little sis, the other tried to jump her. Neither tried to get away from her, instead they went right over to her and were pushed back rather than having the blade used on them. Now you see if you can tell what was on the mind of this woman with a knife

    Or this one

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Sean


    One got in her face and spat on Bryant’s little sis, the other tried to jump her.
     
    You're lying, again. The girl in pink was walking towards Reardon (carrying her purse puppy) when Ma'Khia attacked the first girl, then took a couple of not particularly fast steps towards the action (still carrying the purse puppy) when Bryant knocked down the first girl. The idea that she was moving to "jump" Bryant is ludicrous.

    It's past time to remind you of the lie you emitted and that I first noted: That Bryant's father had interposed himsel between Brant and "fat girl". You're pretty good at not letting what eyes can see get in the way of your imaginative narratives.

  169. @Sean
    @Art Deco


    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing
     
    When the shots started it can be seen from Reardon's bodycam that Ma’Khia Bryant was standing at right angles to him with her feet planted in line in a wide stance and her arms were more or less over her legs. When she was hit her left foot furthest away from Reardon came up off the ground. That frame was shown implying it was just before the first shot, and so it had interrupted a forward motion of Bryant especially of her right side and the right arm holding the knife that can be seen on the neighbor video to have been held back on the other side of her body from the woman in pink.

    Sixteen year old girls are naïve, and one can see from her reaction that being shot was a tremendous shock to Bryant. AOTBE but with her having survived, convicting her of attempted murder would have been impossible. Contrary to what Chief Woods said at the press conference, the bodycam does not show Bryant trying to stab two women that she was assaulting while holding a knife, so I suppose those knife wounds they got must have been an accident. Oh, sorry there were no knife wounds sustained by anyone in the incident so what Woods is saying is simply a lie.

    Reardon yelled "Get down" four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing. This was a matter of extreme seriousness and a better warning certainly ought to have been given, because he had the time and is supposed to be a trained professional; he lacks the mental bandwidth for issuing effective commands simultaneous with gun handling under conditions of stress while dealing with idiots. You don't expect common sense from teenagers, but a sound cop would discriminate between a teen boy (who'd need to be shot) and a girl doing what Bryant did, even if the law does not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    This is fascinating. Sean, if you are not a bot, could you please say something about why your incredibly contrived interpretation of this event is so important to you?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    It is important not to Sean but to all American "liberals" that the bad conduct of blacks has to be rationalized and excused and any blame for their criminal behavior shifted onto white people. Otherwise, they would have to admit to themselves that the Civil Rights Act and indeed the last 70 years of Leftist agitation on behalf of blacks was based on a fundamentally wrong premise and that the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  170. @res
    @Sean

    This is fascinating. Sean, if you are not a bot, could you please say something about why your incredibly contrived interpretation of this event is so important to you?

    Replies: @Jack D

    It is important not to Sean but to all American “liberals” that the bad conduct of blacks has to be rationalized and excused and any blame for their criminal behavior shifted onto white people. Otherwise, they would have to admit to themselves that the Civil Rights Act and indeed the last 70 years of Leftist agitation on behalf of blacks was based on a fundamentally wrong premise and that the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    I've spent about 16 years of my life in neighborhoods with ample populations of blacks (20%+). There's a modest corps of feral characters you have to avoid. It's not difficult because they seldom venture outside the 'hood and points adjacent. That aside, given the temporal variation in measures of human behavior over the last 60 years, the term 'will always behave' can only be uttered by an ignoramus.

    Replies: @Jack D

  171. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    a sex tape of Bill Gates banging an underage girl in his mansion
     
    I don't think that happened, and even if it did, I don't see why I should care. I remember being in high school and lots and lots of 16 year old girls were having sex. I was angry, of course, that they weren't doing it with me. But why should I be particularly enraged if a few of them were doing it with Bill Gates for money rather than with Chad for their own gratification? Bill Gates seems like a prick but he never stuffed me into a locker.

    I don't think there's gonna be much support for action purely on the basis that the crotchety old Bill Gates doing it with teenagers grosses people out. The LGBTQ community will rightly see the prohibition of sexual relationships on the basis that the rest of society is grossed out by them as a dangerous precedent.

    Replies: @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    He likely was being sexually blackmailed by Mossad, as were a significant fraction of the global elite.

  172. @Jack D
    @res

    It is important not to Sean but to all American "liberals" that the bad conduct of blacks has to be rationalized and excused and any blame for their criminal behavior shifted onto white people. Otherwise, they would have to admit to themselves that the Civil Rights Act and indeed the last 70 years of Leftist agitation on behalf of blacks was based on a fundamentally wrong premise and that the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    I’ve spent about 16 years of my life in neighborhoods with ample populations of blacks (20%+). There’s a modest corps of feral characters you have to avoid. It’s not difficult because they seldom venture outside the ‘hood and points adjacent. That aside, given the temporal variation in measures of human behavior over the last 60 years, the term ‘will always behave’ can only be uttered by an ignoramus.

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    The ones to avoid include a very substantial portion of black men between ages say 13 and 39. Apparently they DO venture outside the hood now and then, for example into Times Square. $2.75 gets you a subway ride from all of NYC or you can just jump the turnstile.

    Blacks behave in "keepin' it real" fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population. They have behaved this way in America for the last 400 years. Certainly if you go back 60 years in the US, black behavior has not gotten any better. In fact I would say it's gotten worse, but if you look at the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Newark and Detroit in the '60s and the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Minneapolis and Philly in the 2010s, they look pretty much the same except that flat screen TVs are lighter to carry than tube sets. But I suppose hope springs eternal and any day now blacks will start acting just like white people. Hope spring eternal. I will leave to others to judge who is the ignoramus in these matters.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  173. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    the desire of whites to separate themselves from blacks was not based on irrational racial prejudice and hatred but was in fact a completely rational reaction to the way that blacks behave, have always behaved and will always behave in the future.

    I've spent about 16 years of my life in neighborhoods with ample populations of blacks (20%+). There's a modest corps of feral characters you have to avoid. It's not difficult because they seldom venture outside the 'hood and points adjacent. That aside, given the temporal variation in measures of human behavior over the last 60 years, the term 'will always behave' can only be uttered by an ignoramus.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The ones to avoid include a very substantial portion of black men between ages say 13 and 39. Apparently they DO venture outside the hood now and then, for example into Times Square. $2.75 gets you a subway ride from all of NYC or you can just jump the turnstile.

    Blacks behave in “keepin’ it real” fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population. They have behaved this way in America for the last 400 years. Certainly if you go back 60 years in the US, black behavior has not gotten any better. In fact I would say it’s gotten worse, but if you look at the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Newark and Detroit in the ’60s and the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Minneapolis and Philly in the 2010s, they look pretty much the same except that flat screen TVs are lighter to carry than tube sets. But I suppose hope springs eternal and any day now blacks will start acting just like white people. Hope spring eternal. I will leave to others to judge who is the ignoramus in these matters.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Blacks behave in “keepin’ it real” fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population.

    No, they don't, something you'd know if you examined available homicide statistics. Nor are these metrics unresponsive to public policy and institution building.

    Replies: @Jack D

  174. @notsaying
    This whole situation is an unfortunate mess that I don't think anybody with power will do anything about or learn from.

    Why is anybody surprised that black kids are in foster care at such a high rate when their parents are poor and troubled at a much higher rate? Is there a reason we don't have classes in school on how to pick a partner and tell the kids the statistics connected with linking up with high school dropouts, abusers, criminals, people unable to hold a job and as well as how to determine who would make a good parent?

    I have to wonder why the grandmother was kicked out of her apartment. She would have had extra money for taking care of her grandchildren so I am thinking it wasn't nonpayment of rent. Could it have been for things like noise and damage to the apartment? Oh, I wonder?

    These kids' abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job. Are her children even going to be employable?

    Is anybody else surprised that her mother still works in a nursing home? How could she not be fired and blackballed in Columbus nursing homes now that she is known to be a child abuser?

    Replies: @anon, @Jmaie, @jsm, @NY Girl

    These kids’ abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job.

    I didn’t read the underlying article, but a few things come to mind:

    1. Just because she says she is a nursing assistant, doesn’t mean she is.
    2. Just because she held a nursing assistant job for three consecutive days back in 1982, doesn’t mean she’s one now.
    3. Generally, these positions are usually filled by fat Jamaicans and thin Filipinas. Maybe a half-step above working at Mickey D’s, but just barely.
    4. In the unlikely event she is still actively employed, it says more about the (lack of) availability of Jamaicans and Filipinas, along with the (lack of) ability of the patients to coherently complain about the piss-poor treatment, than it does to her actual job skills, which no doubt rival her (lack of) parenting skills.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @NY Girl

    I wonder if “momma” ever slapped or punched a bedridden elderly White patient? At the very least she verbally abused said patient.

    Replies: @NY Girl

  175. @Sean
    @gandydancer

    She never threatened to kill; she did threaten to stab. And while one can argue she was about to start trying to "stab someone to death right in front of a cop" -- although this would surely have been suicide in the course of an unsuccessful homicide--she had not up until the point she was shot dead even attempted to stab or otherwise injure anyone with the knife despite clear opportunities to do so. Being so familiar with the neighbor video you must know this. If not, then you and the lady in pink ought to write a book about how to defend against a murderous knife attack by a Tyson-muscled teen much larger than oneself who has the stoic relentlessness and focus on attaining the objective irrespective of the person consequences that would put a North Korean special forces operator to shame.

    Fantastic as it seems, Bryant apparently thought of police officers as her protectors and friends of children that she as a 16 year old could act up around, so took the opportunity of Reardon's arrival to frighten the adult women who had came to bother her and her young sister at their home. Moreover, it was the day after Bryant had hosted a party there, so she was probably a little bleary and not thinking properly about what action the cop might take beyond wrestling and restraining her 16 year old self, what with her being black and all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @anon, @Tex

    Thank God there are psychics like you out there who can explain the motives of emotionally troubled teens by watching videos of them. If not, we’d just be in the dark thinking, “Damn, she’s fixing to cut bee-yotch three ways, long, deep and painful.”

  176. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    The ones to avoid include a very substantial portion of black men between ages say 13 and 39. Apparently they DO venture outside the hood now and then, for example into Times Square. $2.75 gets you a subway ride from all of NYC or you can just jump the turnstile.

    Blacks behave in "keepin' it real" fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population. They have behaved this way in America for the last 400 years. Certainly if you go back 60 years in the US, black behavior has not gotten any better. In fact I would say it's gotten worse, but if you look at the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Newark and Detroit in the '60s and the film of blacks doing undocumented shopping in Minneapolis and Philly in the 2010s, they look pretty much the same except that flat screen TVs are lighter to carry than tube sets. But I suppose hope springs eternal and any day now blacks will start acting just like white people. Hope spring eternal. I will leave to others to judge who is the ignoramus in these matters.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Blacks behave in “keepin’ it real” fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population.

    No, they don’t, something you’d know if you examined available homicide statistics. Nor are these metrics unresponsive to public policy and institution building.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Please tell me where this black Switzerland/Wakanda is so I can move there?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  177. @Sean
    @Art Deco


    You’re assiduously refusing to acknowledge that that’s what she was doing
     
    When the shots started it can be seen from Reardon's bodycam that Ma’Khia Bryant was standing at right angles to him with her feet planted in line in a wide stance and her arms were more or less over her legs. When she was hit her left foot furthest away from Reardon came up off the ground. That frame was shown implying it was just before the first shot, and so it had interrupted a forward motion of Bryant especially of her right side and the right arm holding the knife that can be seen on the neighbor video to have been held back on the other side of her body from the woman in pink.

    Sixteen year old girls are naïve, and one can see from her reaction that being shot was a tremendous shock to Bryant. AOTBE but with her having survived, convicting her of attempted murder would have been impossible. Contrary to what Chief Woods said at the press conference, the bodycam does not show Bryant trying to stab two women that she was assaulting while holding a knife, so I suppose those knife wounds they got must have been an accident. Oh, sorry there were no knife wounds sustained by anyone in the incident so what Woods is saying is simply a lie.

    Reardon yelled "Get down" four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing. This was a matter of extreme seriousness and a better warning certainly ought to have been given, because he had the time and is supposed to be a trained professional; he lacks the mental bandwidth for issuing effective commands simultaneous with gun handling under conditions of stress while dealing with idiots. You don't expect common sense from teenagers, but a sound cop would discriminate between a teen boy (who'd need to be shot) and a girl doing what Bryant did, even if the law does not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @res, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Reardon yelled “Get down” four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing.

    If you ever hear a cop shout “Get down” four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Boy the way Glenn Miller played


    If you ever hear a cop shout “Get down” four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .
     
    While not in her kitchen, Ma’Khia Bryant was in the front yard of her own home having gone out to meet the police who she had called in the belief they were protectors of children, about two grown women that had turned up at her residence challenging her as a lone 16 year old to fight. Having shoved back her little sister's adult assaulter, she was doing the same to the woman in pink. Reardon was not in the slightest danger when he fired, but he's going to be; currently altering his appearance as much as he can to avoid being recognized I expect.

    If you are a peace officer on a call and about to be the first such to deliberately kill a girl too young to be sentenced to the death penalty with quadruple shots, it would be wise to assume that you ought to make things a little clearer with verbal directions than Reardon did. Many a 16 year old female would think a cop having unbeknownst to her drawn his gun and about to shoot her four times in the back would be adding "... or you'll be shot!" to his actually four times repeated command. How amusingly gauche of them.

    , @gandydancer
    @Boy the way Glenn Miller played


    If you ever hear a cop shout “Get down” four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .
     
    Actually, I assume Reardon was telling the girl in pink to get out of the line of fire.

    Sean thinks (I use the word loosely) that a non-mediocre cop would have waited until the knife struck home, provided the perp wasn't male. I doubt if the girl in pink would agree with him.

  178. @Clyde
    @iDeplorable


    Most black males are raised exclusively by women and they adopt feminine traits: interest in jewelry, being highly emotional, etc.
    White people view the ability to remain calm, cool, and collected as manly. Blacks think shrieking and yelling and escalating every dispute is manly, but as with most other things, they’re wrong.
     
    Correct! So true--Your first paragraph!
    Plus I really think that crazy violent black crime is down from 20-30 years ago because their testosterone is down, plus no criminal fathers in the house to instruct them on violent criminality. The only jewelry I like is a good watch (I own a few) and under 100 dollars anyway. So this is far from being the bling that black males can be addicted to and their rappers especially. Aspiring rappers too.

    Watches-- Time. Being concerned about what time it is. Trying to be on time for an engagement. That's a white thing!

    Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    The only jewelry I like is a good watch…..

    The only jewelry that a gentleman owns is a watch, cuff links, and a wedding band.

  179. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Blacks behave in “keepin’ it real” fashion in EVERY country in the world with a black population.

    No, they don't, something you'd know if you examined available homicide statistics. Nor are these metrics unresponsive to public policy and institution building.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Please tell me where this black Switzerland/Wakanda is so I can move there?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Martinique. The range of homicide rates in the Caribbean varies by 20-to-1. If you wish to know why this is, biology doesn't get you very far. You can see a more attenuated version of this comparing west Africa and southern Africa.

  180. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Back to TANF:

    My--vague--understanding is that good progress has been made since the '90s on "teen pregnancy". How much from welfare reform? No idea.

    However, my understanding is outside of that, there's been no significant overall progress on illegitimacy in the US.

    The numbers i carry around in my head--and i believe still more or less accurate:
    black -- 70% (and American Indians as well)
    latino -- 50%
    white -- 25-30%
    asian -- 10-15%
    overall ... an appalling 40%.

    Illegitimacy is correlated with both lower genetic "input" and lower environmental circumstances. Lose-lose.

    After stopping immigration, having a serious eugenic policy--encouraging marriage and fertility of productive middle class people and squeezing fertility in the under/criminal class--would be job #2 in making life better for Americans.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse, @Alden

    Do you ever think about anything but the sex and reproduction activities of people you don’t know and will never meet??

    Read any good books , seen anything good on YouTube lately? Buying any spring clothes? Doing some gardening? What sport do you follow or play? Any other topic interest you but complete strangers sex and reproductive lives?

    • LOL: Sean
  181. @AnotherDad
    @Clyde


    Mackenzie has no crazed “philanthropic” axe to grind. She probably opted to concentrate on her children and family minus Jeff.
     
    LOL.

    MacKenzie is woke as ...

    White male genius liberated women from "domestic drudgery" and children ... and then gave them cell phones so they could endless chat with each other.

    These "educated" (i.e. credentialed) white women like Melinda and McKenzie--who've gotten rich from their husband's business savvy--*know* what ails the world--it's right there on twitter! and their friends know, and they learned about it in college--and they are going to fix it. (And us.)


    The modern West has conducted two great experiments. One proving the reality of tribalism--and the need for nationalism--the other the reality of sexual dimorphism.

    Replies: @Clyde, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Alden

    So it’s all the fault of White women that a black woman got killed while attacking another black woman. Why do you call yourself another dad? It’s so obvious you could never ever do the deed because women are so icky and gross.

    another dad
    ———————-

    White women are what’s wrong with the world. White women caused every problem in the world since Pandora. Life on earth was wonderful in every way till American voting laws were federalized in 1919. Women shouldn’t work. Men shouldn’t have to support women. Women should use donated sperm to impregnate themselves. Women should raise the kids all by themselves without financial support from a job, a father or welfare. Women women women you’re obsessed with women and complete strangers reproduction

  182. @AnotherDad
    @Polistra


    Children from lower-income homes may hear 30 million fewer words by age 3.
     
    Young black kids here a lot of words.

    They just may not be the words kids are supposed to repeat in school.

    Replies: @jsm

    I was gonna say that.

    Black kids hear lots of words. Lots and lots. Just not a big variety of words. Rather small, actually. In fact, they’re endless repetitions of the same 4 variants on the vulgar term for reproduction.

  183. @vhrm
    @Rob McX


    What it will demonstrate to those who view it wisely is the power of white privilege. It shows we’re privileged in being passed on white genes by our parents. Our genes are something we didn’t earn as individuals, but they also place obligations on us. They enable us to function and prosper in the societies white people created and developed, something Knife-Girl and her kin would never be able to do. People like them will always be a burden.
     
    Basically excise the word "white" from your paragraph and you're generally right. Having decent genes and decent upbringing is indeed a privilege.

    Because of genes, circumstances of upbringing and luck some people (of all races) prosper in our current society and some people (of all races) don't.

    Yes, 13% do 55%, but there are plenty of black people who do fine in our society and very small minority of blacks ever kill anyone or are killed.

    In 2020 there were ~20,000 murders. Let's say 10k were by blacks. There are 44 million black people in the United States. That's still only 1 in 4000 people (or 1 in 2000 if you take the victims into account)

    Replies: @jsm

    Per year.

    But multiply by the 20 years of thuglife (13 – 33) and you’ve got 1 in 4oo. (Or 1 in 200 if you take victims into account.) That’s not rare, that’s common.

  184. @Sean
    @Steve Sailer


    Nah, there was very little forethought
     
    People often mistake themselves, but they never forget themselves. Bryant either wanted to die, or did not think she'd be shot for what she was doing. Remember that this was a 16 year old female, with many unrealistic notions. She did not feel safe doing anything physical until the policeman was on the scene, and the woman in pink trying to blindside regardless of the cop's presence shows how justified Bryant was in thinking she'd be jumped by two women.

    Ma’Khia went berserk when First Victim spat on her younger sister at about 0:07 of the security cam video, attacked First and Second Victims and was dead within 10 seconds
     
    If she miscalculated how long it would take her to stab is what you are saying, I think she had the time to do much more than she did, which was zilch. If you are right and there was an awareness she'd be shot if she went at them holding a knife menacingly, rather than going berserk she went absent mindedly suicidal. You'll never see a girl knowingly doing something like you are suggesting at Bryant's age (which is pre maximum fertility by the way). In law she assaulted them with a deadly weapon by brandishing the knife while pushing them, but she didn't actually attack them or anyone else with the knife over several seconds of contact. It cannot be helped that blacks will now in 'better judged by 12 than carried by 6' style take notice of how she was shot down.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @AceDeuce

    Wow, is this a parody/troll thing?

    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown/Freudian analysis of the thought processes of a violent Gen Z negro broodsow. Talking about trying to pick the flyschitt out of the pepper. Have fun with that.

    You should foster a few of these darlings (Pro tip: hide your cutlery).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AceDeuce


    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown
     
    Oswald was a young Texan ex-Marine, and so rather less less scared of teenage girls than you seem to be

    Freudian analysis of the thought processes
     
    She either thought she would be shot (before, during or after) stabbing the fuck out of the woman in pink, or she had no intention of trying to stab/ stabbing and being shot for it.

    Gen Z negro broodsow
     
    I dare say she wouldn't have been impressed with your 'cutlery'.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  185. @NY Girl
    @notsaying


    These kids’ abusive Mom at least was able to hold down a job.
     
    I didn't read the underlying article, but a few things come to mind:

    1. Just because she says she is a nursing assistant, doesn't mean she is.
    2. Just because she held a nursing assistant job for three consecutive days back in 1982, doesn't mean she's one now.
    3. Generally, these positions are usually filled by fat Jamaicans and thin Filipinas. Maybe a half-step above working at Mickey D's, but just barely.
    4. In the unlikely event she is still actively employed, it says more about the (lack of) availability of Jamaicans and Filipinas, along with the (lack of) ability of the patients to coherently complain about the piss-poor treatment, than it does to her actual job skills, which no doubt rival her (lack of) parenting skills.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    I wonder if “momma” ever slapped or punched a bedridden elderly White patient? At the very least she verbally abused said patient.

    • Replies: @NY Girl
    @Detroit Refugee

    I don't. She TOTALLY slapped patients. The less likely to defend themselves, the better.

    Replies: @Sean

  186. @Jack D
    @vhrm

    Not just under 18 year old females. First of all, remember that it is a first premise of feminism that consent to sexual contact can be withdrawn AT ANY TIME. At any time includes AFTER the incident in question - sometimes MANY YEARS afterward. Once consent is withdrawn, the act in question becomes rape.

    Second, the character of the female has no bearing on her ability to withdraw consent. Never question women. Even actual prostitutes have the right to retroactively withdraw consent.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9537707/Former-porn-star-accused-Josh-Duggar-brutal-rape-says-hopes-hes-jailed-forever.html

    If having sex with an adult female prostitute after paying her her agreed upon price is rape, is there any sex act (performed by a heterosexual male upon a female) that is NOT rape?

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    I was at the Third Judicial Court in Detroit, and my lawyers next case was exactly this. He was defending a “John” accused of rape. He told me outside he was almost positive she was lying. He didn’t pay her what she expected.

    Who in their right mind would p/u a bf off the streets of the D for sex?

  187. Sean says:
    @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Sean


    Reardon yelled “Get down” four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing.
     
    If you ever hear a cop shout "Get down" four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    Replies: @Sean, @gandydancer

    If you ever hear a cop shout “Get down” four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    While not in her kitchen, Ma’Khia Bryant was in the front yard of her own home having gone out to meet the police who she had called in the belief they were protectors of children, about two grown women that had turned up at her residence challenging her as a lone 16 year old to fight. Having shoved back her little sister’s adult assaulter, she was doing the same to the woman in pink. Reardon was not in the slightest danger when he fired, but he’s going to be; currently altering his appearance as much as he can to avoid being recognized I expect.

    If you are a peace officer on a call and about to be the first such to deliberately kill a girl too young to be sentenced to the death penalty with quadruple shots, it would be wise to assume that you ought to make things a little clearer with verbal directions than Reardon did. Many a 16 year old female would think a cop having unbeknownst to her drawn his gun and about to shoot her four times in the back would be adding “… or you’ll be shot!” to his actually four times repeated command. How amusingly gauche of them.

  188. Research shows that children fare better when remaining with family.

    Huh. It’s not every day you see the NYT asserting social conservative talking points.

    I eagerly await the NYT follow-up story where they reveal who the primary culprits for destroying the family are.

    Research has demonstrated that children fare far better when they remain with family members, a practice known as kinship care.

    “Kinship care”? You mean “normality”?

    • LOL: NY Girl
  189. @Detroit Refugee
    @NY Girl

    I wonder if “momma” ever slapped or punched a bedridden elderly White patient? At the very least she verbally abused said patient.

    Replies: @NY Girl

    I don’t. She TOTALLY slapped patients. The less likely to defend themselves, the better.

    • Replies: @Sean
  190. Sean says:
    @AceDeuce
    @Sean

    Wow, is this a parody/troll thing?

    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown/Freudian analysis of the thought processes of a violent Gen Z negro broodsow. Talking about trying to pick the flyschitt out of the pepper. Have fun with that.

    You should foster a few of these darlings (Pro tip: hide your cutlery).

    Replies: @Sean

    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown

    Oswald was a young Texan ex-Marine, and so rather less less scared of teenage girls than you seem to be

    Freudian analysis of the thought processes

    She either thought she would be shot (before, during or after) stabbing the fuck out of the woman in pink, or she had no intention of trying to stab/ stabbing and being shot for it.

    Gen Z negro broodsow

    I dare say she wouldn’t have been impressed with your ‘cutlery’.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Sean

    I dare say she wouldn’t have been impressed with your ‘cutlery’.

    LOL. Your mom was quite impressed, so there's that....

    Way off base. I do just fine, and then some, boy, so your little jab is funny rather than hurtful (doesn't mean that I wouldn't deck you for general purposes for that kind of talk). I'm not attracted to negresses anyway. She's all yours, tiger. LMAO.


    P.S. There are no "ex-Marines".

    Replies: @Sean

  191. @NY Girl
    @Detroit Refugee

    I don't. She TOTALLY slapped patients. The less likely to defend themselves, the better.

    Replies: @Sean

  192. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Please tell me where this black Switzerland/Wakanda is so I can move there?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Martinique. The range of homicide rates in the Caribbean varies by 20-to-1. If you wish to know why this is, biology doesn’t get you very far. You can see a more attenuated version of this comparing west Africa and southern Africa.

  193. @JR Ewing
    @ziggurat

    I participated in a mission trip with my church back in the early 2000's where we visited an orphanage in Siberia and did some construction projects and other repair work around the building while the kids were all off at "youth camp" for the summer.

    One afternoon, they took us to the camp itself to see the kids. I happen to speak Russian so I was very popular with the older kids for obvious reasons: they loved listening to the dumb foreigner with the bad accent and limited vocabulary.

    But I was even more popular with the younger kids. All they wanted was to be held in another persons arms and I was big enough to do it and was willing to pick them up and stand there holding them close while I talked to them. There was a line 10-20 kids deep at times waiting their turn and it was all I did for the whole afternoon once they realized it was available. It was kind of neat but also extremely sobering to sense up close the sadness and desperation in their lives.

    I was 30 and unmarried at the time. I had no idea how families and kids worked. Now I think back on that afternoon and I realize just how lucky my own kids are just to have two loving parents and a decently nice house to live in.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Ben tillman

    I bet you’re a great dad.

  194. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/BuyBookBuyBook/status/1389276960648568833?s=20

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @epebble, @Anonymous

    Yes, you saw the same in France before the French revolution and Iran before the Iranian revolution. Elite overproduction. If you produce lots of graduates you better have lucrative and stimulating jobs lined up for them, because they are not just going to work in the farms and shops of their parents. (They would be mocked for the rest of their lives by their uneducated relatives.) Natural revolutionaries.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Colleges haven't been feeders to elite positions at any time in the post-war period. The number of diplomas awarded each year has also exceeded new cohorts entering professional-managerial employment each year for at least 60 years.

  195. @Sean
    @AceDeuce


    Trying to do some intricate Zapruder film breakdown
     
    Oswald was a young Texan ex-Marine, and so rather less less scared of teenage girls than you seem to be

    Freudian analysis of the thought processes
     
    She either thought she would be shot (before, during or after) stabbing the fuck out of the woman in pink, or she had no intention of trying to stab/ stabbing and being shot for it.

    Gen Z negro broodsow
     
    I dare say she wouldn't have been impressed with your 'cutlery'.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    I dare say she wouldn’t have been impressed with your ‘cutlery’.

    LOL. Your mom was quite impressed, so there’s that….

    Way off base. I do just fine, and then some, boy, so your little jab is funny rather than hurtful (doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t deck you for general purposes for that kind of talk). I’m not attracted to negresses anyway. She’s all yours, tiger. LMAO.

    P.S. There are no “ex-Marines”.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AceDeuce


    I do just fine, and then some, boy, so your little jab is funny rather than hurtful (doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t deck you for general purposes for that kind of talk).
     
    At one point Reardon could have easily punched out or at least stopped/ stunned Bryant with his right hand, but that would have looked bad. Safer to just keep it on his gun until it was time kill her by shooting her four times.

    P.S. There are no “ex-Marines”.
     
    Reardon is an ex cop. Or he's dead.
  196. @epebble
    @Desiderius

    Is this true? Why did the market not correct itself? Once you see a bunch of "lawyers" driving Uber and making coffee at Starbucks, demand will go away and the next batch will go get a quickie "Web Developer" parchment and make six-figure income.

    Replies: @Sean

    Palahniuk Fight Club

    “Clearly, every bad event in human history had been caused by a surplus of cute, young boyfriend material.”

  197. Sean says:
    @AceDeuce
    @Sean

    I dare say she wouldn’t have been impressed with your ‘cutlery’.

    LOL. Your mom was quite impressed, so there's that....

    Way off base. I do just fine, and then some, boy, so your little jab is funny rather than hurtful (doesn't mean that I wouldn't deck you for general purposes for that kind of talk). I'm not attracted to negresses anyway. She's all yours, tiger. LMAO.


    P.S. There are no "ex-Marines".

    Replies: @Sean

    I do just fine, and then some, boy, so your little jab is funny rather than hurtful (doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t deck you for general purposes for that kind of talk).

    At one point Reardon could have easily punched out or at least stopped/ stunned Bryant with his right hand, but that would have looked bad. Safer to just keep it on his gun until it was time kill her by shooting her four times.

    P.S. There are no “ex-Marines”.

    Reardon is an ex cop. Or he’s dead.

  198. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    Yes, you saw the same in France before the French revolution and Iran before the Iranian revolution. Elite overproduction. If you produce lots of graduates you better have lucrative and stimulating jobs lined up for them, because they are not just going to work in the farms and shops of their parents. (They would be mocked for the rest of their lives by their uneducated relatives.) Natural revolutionaries.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Colleges haven’t been feeders to elite positions at any time in the post-war period. The number of diplomas awarded each year has also exceeded new cohorts entering professional-managerial employment each year for at least 60 years.

  199. @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Sean


    Reardon yelled “Get down” four times, begining as he was unholstering his gun; not the best possible choice of words for stopping someone with their back to him by the time he was drawing.
     
    If you ever hear a cop shout "Get down" four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    Replies: @Sean, @gandydancer

    If you ever hear a cop shout “Get down” four times and you happen to be in a non culinary circumstance while holding a knife, it would be wise to assume that you may be the person he is addressing .

    Actually, I assume Reardon was telling the girl in pink to get out of the line of fire.

    Sean thinks (I use the word loosely) that a non-mediocre cop would have waited until the knife struck home, provided the perp wasn’t male. I doubt if the girl in pink would agree with him.

  200. @Sean
    @William Badwhite


    How is that you are privy to the innermost thoughts of the girl
     
    By seeing what her actions were.; the same way as any juror would. Those two female antagonists of Bryant acted in a way that was very telling; they knew Bryant well and were not in the least afraid of her, and judging by the fact that neither was injure by the knife they were right to be unafraid of her even though they knew she had picked up a knife to assert herself ten minutes before and was still holding it (as far as I know Bryant came out still openly carrying it and they could see it was in her hand). One got in her face and spat on Bryant's little sis, the other tried to jump her. Neither tried to get away from her, instead they went right over to her and were pushed back rather than having the blade used on them. Now you see if you can tell what was on the mind of this woman with a knife


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQQ_magA8Rk
    Or this one
    https://media.nbcnewyork.com/2021/03/subway-attack-bk.png

    Replies: @gandydancer

    One got in her face and spat on Bryant’s little sis, the other tried to jump her.

    You’re lying, again. The girl in pink was walking towards Reardon (carrying her purse puppy) when Ma’Khia attacked the first girl, then took a couple of not particularly fast steps towards the action (still carrying the purse puppy) when Bryant knocked down the first girl. The idea that she was moving to “jump” Bryant is ludicrous.

    It’s past time to remind you of the lie you emitted and that I first noted: That Bryant’s father had interposed himsel between Brant and “fat girl”. You’re pretty good at not letting what eyes can see get in the way of your imaginative narratives.

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