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I’m getting depressed about covid.

It’s suddenly pretty bad again in SoCal.

A friend’s mom is in the hospital with it even though she appeared to have had it before.

And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants.

Hopefully, they mostly still keep you out of the hospital.

But what if they don’t?

We’ve been assuming that we will get to herd immunity one way or another: either the easy way (vaccination) or the hard way (infection).

But what if the vaccines are only moderately effective against new variants and the virus keeps evolving so that prior infections don’t offer much protection?

Then the question would be whether people who survived early variants would keep surviving reinfection every few years?

Perhaps they would. But what if the variants are not just evolving to be more infectious (which would be logically expected) but also evolving to be more lethal (which could happen by accident)?

If they did, then we would appear to be headed toward Twelve Monkeys time, which would be bad.

Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

 
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  1. Thoughts says:

    It’s a psychosomatic illness

    I still haven’t gotten it and I get everything and my spouse is the most social person on planet earth

    Look at the profiles of the people getting it, they all have a certain psychological profile

    Furthermore, if you get the flu or pneumonia, realize that you will be diagnosed with Covid, realize that you will be intubated to make the death rate higher, and DO NOT Go to the hospital

    I’ve put this out to all of my elderly relatives…one of which just finished 2nd round of chemo for recurring cancer…

    No one’s gotten Covid yet

  2. Polistra says:

    Sorry Steve. The only way I can think of to cheer you up is that this post will ignite the crazies on this blog and it’s often fun to watch them self-immolate.

    Also this:

    We can trust this, can’t we? A month off would be glorious.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  3. I think you can think of immunity (both natural and vaccine-induced) as like a series of filters (or cookie cutters) the virus has to pass through; it’s certainly possible it can evolve a form that can pass through all the filters, but that same form is less and less likely to be one that races around the world turning people into chopped liver.

    I understand Cochran’s point about evolution not necessarily disfavoring virulence but that’s in the absence of drugs/vaccines/human immunity doing the selection.

  4. Thoughts says:

    ‘Mom’ was the only fact I needed to know to push my psychosomatic theory

    How much tv does this woman consume?

  5. El Dato says:

    And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants.

    It is predicted that USA and UK will be nuked by the next wave, so I hope somebody is preparing hospital beds and ordering invermectin clandestinely as well as antivirals.

    BUT! It looks like if you HAD the vaccine, you definitely can get the Delta, but your chance of staying out of hospital are pretty good!

    This may (or may be not) be even better if there was a long interval between the two doses (12 week): People in Israel were vaccinated with 3 week interval and are more affected than people in the UK who got their doses with 12 week interval.

    Vague numbers:

    Also, take your vitamin D.

    Oh yeah, and if get the vaccination tell the nurse to make aspire on the syringe first to make sure he/she/it didn’t hit a vein, because apparently that’s what’s causing the thrombosis. Apparently the basics aren’t taught or applied any longer.

  6. #covidhoax is powerful stuff! Since its arrival the regular flu has been eliminated!

  7. A priest, a minister, and a rabbi and an Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman, and a Welshman all walk into a pub. The barman looks up and says, “What is this, some kind of joke?”

  8. Thoughts says:

    Didn’t you grow up with one of those mom’s who was always sick when you were ill?

    My mom did three things with me…

    1) Was sick when I was sick so that she would get the sympathy, not me

    2) If she could get sympathy by having me be ill, then if I got ill, she would call all of her friends to tell them how ill I was so she could get sympathy

    2) If there’s a scenario where she can get sympathy by being ill…She will be Ill

    Do you have any idea the hospital bills my mom has run up over the years investigating her made-up illnesses?

    So I was thinking of the 1 genuine possible Covid case that I may know…

    And it’s a boy age 22 who lost his sense of taste, his mom supposedly collapsed in the hallway of the house due to low oxygen, and the 80something year old grandfather supposedly died of it.

    The young man had just broken up with his long term girlfriend, and though he’s not Liberal, he’s a bit Weak and Wishy Washy. 0 Spine.

    In other words the perfect personality to go along with a psychosomatic illness.

    Here it is…Grandfather dies a natural death but it’s labelled Covid…crazy mother then Faints (my mom used to faint all the time) because of lack of Oxygen….Young Son whose too attached to Mom and just had bad breakup then joins the club. Father didn’t get ill. Probably too masculine and emotionally stable.

    That’s my theory, and a psychosomatic illness fits all other cases of Covid I am aware of. Furthermore, a bad flu/pneumonia being treated with intubation and killing people fits the Death Tallies.

    It’s all Fake Steve. Stop stressing.

  9. My understanding is that vaccines will select for stronger strains. Therefore as more and more people get innoculated against the regular strain it’s normal for evasive strains to pop up. This was expected all along. You have to choose between vaccinating only the group risk and minimize the pressure for new strains or vaccinate everybody and come up with new vaccines. Analogy: farmers also need to come up with new pesticides as new strains of bugs evade the old pesticides.

    • Agree: Guest29048, Dutch Boy
  10. gent says:

    1. All the vaccines, gene mods or traditional (conjugate, deactivated virus) will only provide transient protection for 3-4 months against the specific strain they use as their base. This protection decreases over time and is less robust than that of the natural immune response.
    2. Many of the “variants” are simply endemic coronaviruses (common colds) being identified and given names for the first time. What you’re seeing now is just an overreaction to the seasonal cold and flu that happens every year.
    3. Death rates are primarily driven by intubations with positive pressure ventilators, not the virus itself.
    4. The best thing you can do to protect yourself is not be overweight and not be above the age of 70.
    5. If is morally wrong to hold the world hostage over a disease with a 99.8% survival rate.
    The driver of the “pandemic” is politics and a desire for those in power to centralize their authority. It ends the moment people stop paying attention.

  11. gent says:

    Further, by the time any “booster” is designed and approved for a “new strain/variant” it will already be out of circulation in the populace. We lived with the common cold BEFORE January 2020, we can live with it again.

  12. You’re going to get reamed in the comments for this one. And to be fair, you’re going to deserve a lot of it. There’s a good case to be made that you’re one of the best or most essential journalists of the last decade. The claim to more or less working out the logic of the 21st century (thus far, or up to a point) has pretty good merit and can at the least be defended, but on the grounds of making that claim, you deserve to get raked when you fall behind the curve or perhaps judiciously opt for the safety of being behind it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  13. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t be sad. Get mad at china for causing this.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @George
  14. Facts says:

    Believing in an afterlife helps with anxiety about death.

  15. It looks like UK’s case rate is fading, and there’s still no sign of dangerous level of fatalities in either the UK or Israel. Let CNN-Wapo paranoia drive Biden’s poll numbes down and enjoy the show.

  16. “Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.”

    John 14:27: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    • Agree: FPD72
  17. I’ve had to shovel the Covid dead out of driveway for a year now.

    LOL

    I still don’t know anybody really affected by it. Oh, one fella lost his sense of smell for a couple days. Some guy in his 60s had a bad case of the sniffles and it was the dreaded Covid.

    But this I can say, I would have never believed we’d shut down all of society and ruin a generation’s life just to make 75+ year old HIV positive folk singers feel safer.

    Would we even know there was a Covid if we weren’t told about it every day? It’d be just another flu season to the whole world.

  18. gent says:
    @Henry Canaday

    Poll numbers don’t matter any more dude, we’re in a soviet style ideological directorate, not a democratic republic. The goal of all this is to justify pushing people on to a monthy/quarterly “booster” schedule that will be tied to your digital ID. If you want to see what’s coming for the US, look at the stuff Macron is pushing in France.

  19. Sweden and Switzerland are doing pretty well right now. – And have before. Might be, that they’ve made the right decisions. Johan Giesecke says it is still too early to tell though. Anders Tegnell is a tad more optimistc.

    Here are the Swedish numbers:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

    As blogger HailtoYou pointed out so tirelessly: The put-downs of Sweden by – Donald Trump / John Fauci were unsubstantiated. Caution, good overall health, not being terribly overweight, and not avoiding some exercises in the fresh air – if possible while the sun is shining on a daily basis should do a lot of good.

    I’m around 100+ people from all walks of life regularly whom I meet in person, some of them severely ill. No case of a Co-19 hospitalization so far.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  20. Escher says:

    The Wuhan lab seems to be working overtime.

  21. Bugg says:

    NY state last week reported 40 COVID deaths. Whether COVID was the cause of death on their death certificates or simply they were COVID+ upon passing remains to be seen. But people die. without even looking, more people died, variously, of cancer, auto accidents, heart disease, ODs in the same time frame. Don’t know if there were as many deaths in years past due to the flu or pnemonia. COVID simply may be another medical condition we have to deal with going forward.

    I am not opposed to the vaccine and took it myself, despite getting COVID between the 2 doses. It ws a bad cold. I have hypertension and could afford to lose a few pounds, but I have always been active; walking, biking and working out. At a loss why the fear coming out of DC is the message, rather than encouraging healthy behaviors like exercise and diet as well as the benefits of being outside and vitamin D. We KNOW if you are physically active, even marginally, mortality drops to close to zero. Elderly people should be gettting outside and moving as much as they can, and that is not the message. Rather, stay inside, which looks to be the worst thing you could do,

    I have a son who had it, and has not been vaccinated. He was a college football player, and works out and bikes all the time. He believes he has antibodies, and based on the 1918 influenza,we know antibodies from such viruses typically lasted a very long time. This is probably no different. Further, there is no data, anywhere, from any medical authority, about how the vaccine may impact fertility. Frankly find it disgusting such questions are neither being explored nor even asked.

    • Disagree: Guest29048
  22. They’re lying to push vax passports and other goodies. Your friend’s Ma, did she get the jab? How old? As long as you get past the idea that TPTB always, always lie and act accordingly, there’s no need to be bummed out. Do the opposite of what they tell you. Frankly, all the ruling class asswipes pushing the vax should have to post THEIR vax card. I’m betting 2/3 of them did NOT and will never get the jab. Notice no one ever asks the ruling class if they got it. If they were required to post their vax card we’d find out they lied. That many vax liars would be exposed.

    • Agree: Travis
  23. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks Steve. I’m getting my second shot tomorrow, but now I can’t celebrate. 😉

  24. lavoisier says: • Website

    Well MERS (Middle East Respiratory Corona Virus) had an estimated case fatality rate of approximately 30% for those who became clinically ill.

    So it is not really a stretch to imagine a much more virulent Covid variant to emerge.

    I do think concern is warranted, particularly as we still do not know where this virus originated.

    If it is a bioweapon, perhaps not only infectivity but virulence has been somehow bioengineered as well.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Alt Right Moderate
  25. Anonymous[625] • Disclaimer says:

    as requested, some good, simple globohumor to brighten the skies for all you concave coronachondriacs:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/sports/olympics/mbc-broadcaster-apology-olympics-opening-ceremony.html

  26. El Dato says:

    Long COVID will be a significant problem among people who had the virus.

  27. Dumbo says:

    Perhaps the concept of “herd immunity” is mistaken? Millions of people have the common cold (caused by coronaviruses) every winter, and we have not developed “herd immunity”. This is an article from 2017 (pre-Covid) about the rapid changes in coronaviruses:

    https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/news/why-dont-we-ever-develop-immunity-against-the-common-cold-294551

    However, it is likely that if it becomes endemic, it will become less serious, something like the… well, the common cold.

    On the other hand, if the situation is getting bad again now in Summer, we can look forward to another “long winter” in 2021 with masks and lockdowns and travel limitations again, on top of “green passes” and “vaccine passports” for a vaccine that doesn’t appear to stop transmission, which sounds just great.

    Anyway, perhaps not touting so much the vaccine as the Great Saviour and push it even to 12-year old children would help people not to be so disappointed when it doesn’t work as expected to bring things “back to normal”?

    I wish I could find something more cheerful to say, but it seems to me that this tiresome soap opera ain’t ending yet, there’s still at least one more Season to go…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  28. …if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Here ya go, sport:

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  29. Dr. X says:

    I’m Getting Depressed About Covid Again

    …but the government control freaks, Big Pharma, and the Karens are ecstatic.

    • LOL: Morton's toes, BB753
  30. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    Obviously Reddit is a shithole but this post on the Coronavirus subreddit is pretty good if you want to feel better

    Vaccines work, and are safe. from Coronavirus

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Disagree: Guest29048
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  31. dearieme says:

    And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants

    Or maybe their effectiveness reduces with time? Anyway, as Henry (#2) says the most recent UK figures show “case” numbers – i.e. positive PCR tests – declining. How that relates to the number of tests performed I have no idea. Such details rarely seem to be mentioned in the papers.

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/07/25/covid-cases-plummet-for-a-fifth-day-in-a-row/

    Anyway the great thing is not to be conned into believing that masks protect you. Your best protection is probably to avoid crowded places, especially indoor spaces where people shout, sing, or breathe heavily. Ventilation is your friend.

    Golf courses with a sea breeze: that’s where to spend your time.

  32. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    Classic Sailer. I don’t think I’ve seen someone’s world view more fixed by personal anecdotes. He returns to his little well-spring of experience again and again. People strive to transcend the personal as they mature. Sailer simply wallows in his.

    Of course, the hospitalization of his friend’s mother (poor woman must be in her 80s if not older) gives him a case of the vapors.

    Wait, I just checked. India seems to be fine. But who cares? Time Travelin’ Bruce Willis and Institutionalized Brad Pitt are just around the corner.

  33. There’s lots of possibilities between the pre-COVID world and Twelve Monkeys. The world has dealt with the regular outbreak of plagues with worse lethality than COVID in the every previous era and not collapsed. The Black Death regularly recurred every generation for about 300 years. That period includes the Renaissance, the Age of Discovery, and the early Enlightenment. We will eventually learn to live with COVID. Step one is to not repeat the last 18 months of hysteria.

    • Agree: Morton's toes, Old Prude
    • Replies: @mc23
  34. Even if you get it, you are highly likely to survive it. As myself and a number of family members did, including two around age 80.

    The “vaccines” are pushing the variants. They should be discontinued.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @S. Anonyia
  35. Spud Boy says:

    Bret Weinstein warned about the dangers of vaccinating people during a pandemic, as it gives the virus the opportunity to evolve in real time.

    The good news is that doctors are much better at treating COVID infections than they were a year ago.

    • Agree: mc23
  36. Ron Unz says:

    Unfortunately, a very level-headed commenter from Iceland made very similar remarks a few days ago:

    Off topic I guess, but here in Iceland we are discovering that vaccines are not that good at creating the heard immunity everyone was waiting for.

    After enjoying mask-free, no social distancing and covid free society for the past few weeks we are seeing exponential surge in infections. According to official reports the highest rate of infections ever seen. This is happening with 85% of the population vaccinated. Numbers as high as 90% having gotten one doze have been reported. I believe we are close to the world record in this regard.

    Yesterday 56 tested positive, thereof 46 fully vaccinated. And even worse one fully vaccinated individual infected six people, just to give one example.

    In short: Fully vaccinated people test positive and infect others. And few fully vaccinated have gotten sick, even hospitalized. Medical chief at our biggest hospital expects a wave coming his way in about 14 days.

    Needless to say the mood over here is dropping like stone.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#comment-4793724

  37. Paul Rise says:

    As near as anyone can tell hospitalizations and fatalities are nearly nonexistent among the vaccinated.

    Its tearing through the unvaccinated, who will become the vacced as soon as they know someone who gets sick or dies from it.

    Probably good to wear a mask if you are indoors in a public place but this will pass as well.

    It would also be good to keep hoping for a real vaccine, I believe Novavax looks promising. A true vaccine is the only “booster” i will consider st this point.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Disagree: Guest29048, Redman
    • Replies: @Lurker
  38. And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well

    There was an article on CNBC the other day stating that the Pfizer vaccine is now only 39% effective. That’s interesting; we went from the 95% mic drop the day after the election and now we’re down to 39%. I wonder if we’re converging towards a point when scientists will be forced to openly admit that these mRNA vaccines don’t work at all, that millions of people were cajoled into taking an experimental gene therapy with unknown side effects, as a result of which many thousands developed complications and died, and for which the drug companies have complete legal immunity, all over a middling coronavirus with a total case fatality rate of 0.26%.

    But what if the vaccines are only moderately effective against new variants and the virus keeps evolving so that prior infections don’t offer much protection?

    This isn’t the way it works. Viruses do not “evolve.” First of all, Darwinian evolution does not occur at all, as I have amply demonstrated before. But even on the theory that it did occur, it wouldn’t apply to viruses because viruses are not alive in the first place. Viruses are everywhere and always the manufactured products of living cells and they have no agency of their own. Consequently, they cannot get more lethal. What you are afraid of is something that has never happened in all of known history.

    Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Well, try this: 99.74% of everybody who contracts this virus will easily survive it. If that doesn’t cheer you up, you can console yourself with the fact that if you keep blubbering away and wetting your panties like this, you might get your “strange new respect” and be allowed to write for The Atlantic, which is what you really want.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Troll: Raches
  39. Blubb says:

    Shocker. Good thing Delta isn’t very deadly and follows the usual path of viruses in that lethality is decreasing, as we can see in the UK.

    Nonetheless, the dictatorial regime will not be dropped without a fight

  40. Maestro Steve, I hate to say it, but get a grip.

    Death figures from COVID are currently at less than 4.2 million. ( World population about 7.8bn ) This relies on a considerable amount of creative accounting, such as counting all deaths with COVID present as having been caused by COVID, and other nefarious practices.

    Hong Kong Flu (1968-70), World Pop 3.55bn, caused 1 to 4 million deaths. Take an average of 2.5million and factor in the population increase, and you get 5.5million deaths at 2021 values. No special measures were taken for that occurrence.

    The last real pandemic, Spanish Flu ( 1918-20), World Pop about 1.9bn, caused between 17 and 50million deaths, even 100 million, some claim. Nearly all estimates are between 20 and 30 million. At 2021 values, that would be between 82 and 123 million deaths.

    Ceteris paribus, COVID is not even as virulent as Hong Kong Flu. It is certainly a hazard, but a minor one. Like flu, the overwhelming majority of those dying are over 75 or have underlying health problems. The measures taken by governments around the world to deal with it have been grossly disproportionate, draconian, grotesque and unnecessary.

  41. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr. John Campbell said that the 3 week spacing of the vaccine is not as effective as a longer spacing between the two doses. We’ll get it figured out at some point. But keep in mind once you’ve been vaccinated it’s unlikely you’ll get sick enough to need to go to the hospital. Those who have been vaccinated who get Covid mostly get nothing more than common cold symptoms or are asymptomatic.

    If you get sick, there’s always Ivermectin.

    Eventually, everyone will either have had the vaccine or will have had Covid and acquired some natural immunity. That will slow the pandemic down dramatically.

  42. As says:

    Didn’t Gregory Cochran and Henry harpending come up with a theory of infectiousness v lethality in diseases, which you yourself trumpeted?

    The more lethal a disease is, the less it spreads as it quickly kills off its hosts. The milder a disease becomes the more it can spread.

  43. @Ron Unz

    I’m going to start repeating this a lot: the “vaccines” do not suppress the virus and in fact appear to be applying selection pressure on it. We need to end this failed experiment. Lose weight, take your fish oil, and get outdoor exercise. Oh, and socialize. Hug, kiss, and shake hands. Humans are social animals and did not evolve to be biological weapons to each other.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @acementhead
  44. roo_ster says:

    For the love of Pete man up. Between your and Corcoran’s covid hysteria the bonfire of credibility burns high. Stop adding fuel to the fire if you want folk to take you seriously.

  45. bitfu says:

    Testing protocol. The CDC recently abandoned the fraudulent PCR testing –which is guaranteed to jack up false positives–for a more reasonable Covid testing protocol. As a result, ‘covid infections’ may well plummet. [The Dems have Midterm elections, after all.]

    You might be able to look forward to falling infections, an opening of society, and the realization that so much of Covid fear was a steaming pile of shit. Also, the Delta variant is not as virulent as the original covid from 2020. Really, it’s more like a bad cold.

  46. Altai says:

    One thing to note about the current situation is it once again validates that the most effective and least disruptive way of dealing with covid is just restricting travel.

    Once again Eastern Europe is having a slow start for the next wave and once again the magnitudes lower amounts of travel from abroad into those countries is the obvious reason. (Having escaped the first wave relatively unscathed a lot of Eastern European countries like Hungary had a terrible wave in the latter half of 2020 from people going on summer trips abroad.)

    A problem with restricting travel is that there are now immigrant diasporas who have funerals, families etc to visit and are acting as agents to bring in things like the Delta variant into Australia, for example, which would otherwise be in a prime place to operate normally due to their isolation. Indeed, Australia has operated normally through most of this because of that. Ditto for New Zealand.

    Why the UK and Irish governments were so mired by neoliberal ideology that they couldn’t make the simple observation on cost benefit for just being extremely harsh with restricting travel into and out of their island territories is the final example needed of the fundamental illegitimacy of modern governance. If they had covid would be over for them by now as it was after the first wave of lockdowns ended the pandemic almost completely in Ireland and almost in Britain before opening up for citizens to travel abroad again and the rise of the ‘Spanish variant’. And now we see the countries with the largest Indian diasporas being the ones with the fastest introduction of the ‘Delta variant’.

    It’s like the debate about PREP in gay communities. We have a means of near 100% effectiveness of preventing HIV transmission. It’s called a condom. It also has the benefit of preventing many other STDs. We have a means of ending covid outbreaks, it’s called a travel moratorium and a short harsh lockdown. Look at New Zealand.

  47. We’ve been assuming that we will get to herd immunity one way or another: either the easy way (vaccination) or the hard way (infection).

    Who is this “we”?

    The sane among us have been assuming that the whole purpose of the WuFlu WAS the vaccinations.
    To be at all surprised by this is proof that you have not been paying attention.

    Time to reread this from 9 months ago.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs

  48. This too shall pass.

  49. Something to cheer us all up: The vaccine from Moderna was created by a Black Woman. Finally, the Western society embraces all its members.

  50. Huisache says: • Website

    Another few waves and Weimar will look tame in comparison

    This disease is not going away for years if not decades

  51. Was your friend’s mom also vaxxed? The mRNA vaccines offer stronger protection against variants than natural infection. Reports from on the ground suggest most US hospitalized are unvaccinated. Also data from Israel shows vaccines are nearly 90% effective against hospitalization and that doesn’t wane (based on date of vaccination, so far). At worst we’ll need annual boosters. Chin up chin up.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  52. Marquis says:

    The “vaccines” were never going to create her immunity because they do not prevent transmission. In fact, without the vaccines we’d be darn close to it (possibly) by now, because even though the US keeps terrible and misleading data natural immunity *seems* to be holding up pretty well.

    The good news for Sailer is that he is simply scared, which is the same malady that’s lead him to be so erroneous in his assessment of this nothingburger before. The cure: stop watching the mainstream news.

  53. Thoughts says:
    @Altai

    Restricting travel only works if your goal is the Reduce the Number of Covid Positives in a Population

    Your just playing with statistics

    In reality, Covid only kills though who are going to die anyways

    The rest of the excess Covid deaths are from Hospital Malpractice

    The best thing to do is Let Her Rip

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  54. Malenfant says:
    @Altai

    One thing to note about the current situation is it once again validates that the most effective and least disruptive way of dealing with covid is just restricting travel.

    “Was,” not “is.”

    The cat’s out of the bag, now. Eradication is probably off the table in the US, India, S.America, and most of Europe. Covid has gone native.

    In hindsight, there’s a hell of a lot that could have been done better.

    Looking to the future, what’s clear is that the vaccine isn’t the final solution to this problem, for many obvious reasons. Pray we find small molecule drugs that work at mitigating severe covid.

  55. Tom Verso says:
    @Ron Unz

    Of course, this raises the BIG Question that filled so many column inches last year:

    What is a “case”?
    What is the test used”?
    The whole PCR test accuracy (validity) question, have to do with Cycle Thresholds … etc.

  56. Snej says:

    I don’t know what Cochrane is saying, but what about the notion that the virus’s main goal is to survive, and to do that it will usually become less lethal over time so it doesn’t runnout of warm bodies.

    But then again, this thing was engineered by humans to begin with.

    At what point does the world start getting pissed at the CCP and hold them accountable? Some WTO sanctions and such? Move manufacturing to other Asian countries?

    • Replies: @George
    , @JMcG
    , @acementhead
  57. Altai says:
    @Ron Unz

    I wonder if it isn’t people engaged in inappropriate risk compensation too.

    If you proposed the vaccine and gave a figure of 80% effective at stopping transmission that’d sound great and sure to give the necessary herd immunity. But that leaves 20% who think they’re immune and who act like 100% of everyone they meet is, immune to covid. It doesn’t even have to apply to fully vaccinated people either, maybe people with only one shot are assuming they live in a world where they optimistically assume everyone else is immune and they’re kinda immune.

    Plus with so many vaccinated the virus can also spread easier with fewer and fewer people exhibiting symptoms.

    How big a problem that is depends on if infection with the virus has long term consequences like many viruses without physical symptoms are being found to be in terms of causing diseases or triggering them.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
  58. Cheer up: when the stupid people who won’t get vaccinated catch the virus and die, only vaccinated people will remain, and the problem is over. National IQ a few points higher as well.

    • LOL: epebble, acementhead
    • Replies: @FPD72
    , @The Alarmist
  59. Stonewall Jackson [AKA "Joker"] says:

    Don’t worry the great Fauci, the man who launched this virus… that’s right Ronnie Unz.. it was NIH not some rogue DOD plot that launched this thing…. will save you Sailer.

    You seem to be silent on the issue of where this thing came from… don’t want to mess with little Ronnie’s navel gazing fantasy,.. when holy crap… NIH funded the Wuhan Lab to do gain of function research…

    But Ronnie likes to weave some great bullshit in his theories… like the Failure of White Nationalism.. Really mass immigration is great… look at Ronnies’ stats!!!

    Get your mask on and get your ass locked down boy…

    On the bright side, Biden gets to have his economy ruined.. The toilet paper left on the shelf will cost a hundred dollars a roll…

  60. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    Just last week you were shilling the miraculous efficacy of the “vaccines.”

    Your idiotic fears are punishment for your relentless fearmongering and dishonesty for the last 16 months. I hope you enjoy it.

  61. Nimrod says:

    As Alex Berenson said, ‘Virus gonna virus.’

    • LOL: Old Prude
  62. Mark G. says:

    There is at least some evidence that early treatment can lower fatality rates. The use of HCQ and Ivermectin lowered fatality rates when used in India against the Delta variant. Ivermectin was also used in Indonesia with good success. In Tanzania, HCQ is used regularly to prevent malaria and they have only had 500 deaths from Covid.

    Influenced by Big Pharma and their desire to get rich from vaccines, U.S. government health officials discouraged the use of these early treatments. If they were shown here to be effective, that would lessen the need for vaccines so their widespread use needed to be blocked. In some states, mostly run by Democrats, doctors were threatened with jail if they wrote out a prescription for HCQ.

    I was sick with Covid for a week and a half before I entered a hospital. I had plenty of time for early treatment. I’ve read reports on the internet, though, of sick people visiting doctors and told to come back when the disease gets worse and that may have happened to me. There are organizations that I found out about after my illness that will help you find a doctor who is interested in early treatment methods that will help keep you out of the hospital. If you get a mild case you will then have natural immunity. I am not adamantly against vaccines. For high risk people over the age of 60 they may be helpful. We should also be looking at alternatives, though, because some of these may help in the fight against this disease.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous, lavoisier
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  63. I do know a 95 year old liberal gay folk singer who is HIV, Herpes and Hepatitis positive. It totally makes sense we should destroy the lives of hundreds of millions of White people to protect these precious people who did so much for us.

    Here we see Fauchi and a group of Really Smart CivNats doing a group meeting:

    https://i.insider.com/54f62fcdecad045e6838ff48?width=1200

  64. Herd immunity for a corona virus is impossible. All innate immunity from catching a corona virus is short lived. And so right from the beginning, the strategy has been totally wrong.

    And since then we have only gone downhill. Mass vaccination during a live pandemic leads inevitably to antigenic shifts (new variants). Unvaxxed people’s innate immunity can deal with these if the viral loads are manageable. Vaxxed adapted immunity eventually cannot, the adapted antibodies ineffectively attach to the virus spikes, blocking the vaxxed innate immune system.

    The jury is still out on whether the vaccines are lowering hospitalisations and deaths. In the US, they are attributing delta’s lower virulence–lower hospitalisations and deaths–to the vaccines. The only way to prove the vaccines are working is to show a difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed outcomes. In the Israeli numbers–albeit a small number–I am not seeing any such difference.

    It is likely that the vaccines do give some short term protection. But this can be more dangerous than helpful. There is rising, but as yet inconclusive, evidence that an infected vaxxed person needs to get sicker, to have a lower Ct (higher viral load) before they suffer symptoms. In the unvaxxed you would normal get symptoms as Ct approaches 30. In the vaxxed they could be getting below 25 before they get symptoms. These means they are trailing huge viral loads for days before they realize it. This means they have a much higher viral load when they finally seek medical care. This means, as the vaccines wane they will have worse outcomes than the unvaxxed. But this also means that the young and unvaxxed should keep far away from vaxxed potential super spreaders. Right now the vaxxed are setting an excellent precedent in demanding safe spaces from the dirty unvaxxed. The unvaxxed should encourage this. The tables will soon turn though as science proves who the real danger is coming from.

    Once you go vaxxed, can you ever go back? The real question is whether natural immunity is any longer possible for the vaxxed? Once on the vax train, can you jump off without seriously downgrading your immune system. Are the vaxxed, and I mean all of the vaxxed, now condemned to a life of biannual booster shots? Can the vaxxed ever simply walk away from the boosters and try to rejoin the ranks of the unvaxxed? Will their immune systems ever be reset to a pre-vaxxed condition?

    If this is not possible it means the vaxxed may have uploaded their immune systems to the Big Pharma cloud. They could be dependent on a lifetime of boosters, each with its own side effects. Whenever you see people like David Frum pushing vaccines, any of us who have been trained in pattern recognition by Steve Sailer should run as far and fast away as possible.

    • Agree: Morton's toes
    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  65. Here we see Fauchi and a group of Really Smart CivNats in a group meeting:

    https://i.insider.com/54f62fcdecad045e6838ff48?width=1200

  66. The data from Israel suggests that the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission of the virus, and that the main benefit of the vaccine is to reduce (but not completely prevent) severe illness and death.

    This new data, if true, ought to support the argument that children need NOT be vaccinated.

    The only rationale to vaccinate children was based on the notion of stopping mild and asymptomatic transmission to “dry up the reservoir of disease” in the population. If the only benefit of vaccination is to prevent severe illness (which is extremely rare in pediatric cases anyway) and not to prevent transmission, then the rationale to vaccinate children disappears.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @acementhead
  67. Barnard says:

    There is also the question of how accurate the tests are. Pro golfer Jon Rahm was forced to withdraw from The Memorial in early June after a positive test while leading by six shots before the final round. He had one shot of the vaccine at the time. He went through with the second shot and has now tested positive again at the Olympics and been forced to withdraw. Based on what we have been told this should be impossible.

  68. charlie says:

    You’ve got to untangle the tests from the cases from the deaths.

    I agree that the vaccines are not doing much to prevent spread.

    Iceland is good example. So is SF.

    So you bump up the cases, but again you’re seeing little to no deaths in those areas.

  69. 1. Maybe you’ll feel better if you say something snarky again about my May 2 comment:

    There’s been a lot of discussion in and under other articles about the meaningfulness of the efficacy rate, including:

    In the biggest clinical trial to date (Pfizer NCT04368728) some 99.96% of the 18,198 vaccinated participants didn’t develop COVID-19 symptoms, whereas 99.12% of the 18,325 un-vaccinated participants didn’t develop COVID-19 symptoms. Pfizer’s acclaimed vaccine, despite assessment of 95.03% efficacy (a measure of relative rather than absolute risk), thus made a difference of just 0.84% within the study population.

    1. Can anyone refute the data?
    2. If not, then isn’t relying on the efficacy rate to inform a decision without understanding the distinction between relative and absolute risks — i.e., that there’s less than 1% chance of hospitalization with or without the shots — “foolish”?

    2. Or just stay in the house until you’re allowed your next shot.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  70. @Ron Unz

    It is only natural for infections to seem high among the vaccinated in a highly vaccinated population like Iceland.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0f11b219-0f1b-420e-8188-6651d1e749ff

    The vaccines are working very well.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  71. anon[825] • Disclaimer says:

    Similar situation here.

    Neighbor’s neighbor came down with dandruff.
    Neighborhood is in lockdown.

    I recommended everyone stop…listening.

    We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

    And
    BS

    5 dancing shlomos

  72. Anon[709] • Disclaimer says:

    This just came out in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

    (Caution: Recent NEJM pieces have included “Sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility,” and “The Performance of ‘Antiracism’ Curricula.”)

    Summarized by the Washington Post:

    Two doses of Pfizer and AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines effective against delta variant, study says
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/22/coronavirus-latest-updates/

    A full course of two of the most widely available coronavirus vaccines is about as effective against the more contagious delta variant as it was against a previously dominant version of the virus, according to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offer 88 percent protection against symptomatic disease caused by the delta variant, compared to 94 percent against the alpha variant that was first discovered in Britain and became dominant across the globe earlier this year, the study said.

    The second dose is essential: Take that, Marginal Revolution guys!!

    The contradictory Israeli data is discussed, dismissed as not a controlled study.

    Now the question is, will the vaccine keep you out of the hospital and keep you alive if delta gets you?

    • Replies: @mikeInThe716
    , @Anon
  73. Russ says:

    Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Isn’t the survival rate still north of 99% from COVID19? Conversely: Isn’t the fatality rate from life still 100%? The first percentage was in place pre-vaccines. The second is timeless.

    Methinks the politicization of science is the true depressor here. As Matt Ridley recently observed: When the WHO came out in 2015 with the assertion that “climate change” was the greatest threat to wo/mankind, it became obvious that the WHO had lost its focus. “Science” has followed the WHO’s lead.

  74. Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    I’ll give it a go here, Steve:

    You just got done commenting, correctly, of course, that Southern California has one of the best climates. I’ve been there – I know. What you should do is get off the computer, same as I should, for a longer part of the day, get out in the beautiful sunshine, don’t pull out that smartphone, and just talk to the still majority of people you may meet who are not insane there. You’ll get some blog post ideas while you’re at it. Get down to the beach a couple of times a week. What is it, less than 10 miles away?

    Get that vitamin D and fresh air. Start to realize after 2 hours away from the electronics that maybe the 1 1/2 year-running PanicFest that the media and government loves so much is just one more project to make us scared of the hobgoblins and compliant with the Totalitarian plans of the elite. I’m not really sure how you can notice all those other works of evil and stupidity that you blog about, and not see this big one right around you.*

    I prescribe 2 hours a day, outside the house, off of the electronics, that is, living with your own thoughts in the real world. I want you to try this for one week, see how much better you feel, and write a post back to us. If it somehow doesn’t take, no problem, we’ll go to the next step which is to medicate with large doses of Ludes.

    Go see the nurse up front, and tell her no charge. This one is on me the taxpayers.

    Dr. A. E. Newman, M.D., Peakstupidity Health Services

    .

    * Same goes for Ron Unz. Mr. Unz, you do a hell of a job in digging into American history to find long-term propaganda, the real reasons for the big events of history, pieces of evidence of conspiracies, etc, yet miss the huge purposeful PanicFest that has been going on all around you in real time during your lifetime.

  75. @Ron Unz

    Here too: The vaccinated are infecting the not vaccinated

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @BB753
  76. Bill says:

    Deaths are low and not increasing very fast. The public health clownshow has been wrong more or less continuously throughout, so the fact that they are panicking about this is a good sign.

  77. RudyM says:

    But what if the variants are not just evolving to be more infectious (which would be logically expected) but also evolving to be more lethal (which could happen by accident)?

    Maybe you could get a job spreading panic in the pages of the New York Times! You’d fit right in on the topic of Covid-19.

  78. I’ve got something that will cheer you up.

    Watch this 30-second video.

  79. anon[488] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57962995

    It’s just another spike. The UK is turning around without much increase in deaths.

    It’s no longer a novel virus. It will abate the way all of them do. Year 2 is unlike year 1.

  80. Travis says:

    Good news, COVID has helped reduce U.S. Alzheimer deaths this year.

    2020 had fewer excess deaths than Steve Sailer and many others had predicted.
    3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States in 2020—up by 17% from 2,854,838 deaths in 2019. The expected number if deaths in 2020 was 2,900,000 based on our rapidly aging population. So excess deaths in 2020 were 358,000 and not all of these can be attributed to COVID, we know that Drug deaths were up from 72,000 to 92,000. Homicides were also up in 2020. https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2021/04/01/coronavirus

    Life expectancy in the United States fell by a year and a half in 2020 to 77.3 years, the lowest level since 2003. Not even a twenty year-low for life expectancy, despite a record year for drug fatalities.

    so far 2021 is appears to have less than 100,000 excess deaths, but this number is falling. By the end of 2021 excess deaths may fall to zero since the majority of the COVID deaths in January would have died by Christmas.

    Excess deaths in 2020 demonstrates that far less than 400,000 Americans died from COVID. Since the excess deaths in 2020 was just 350,000 people for all of 2020. Even if 100% of excess deaths was due to COVID, the maximum number of COVID deaths was 358,000 in 2020.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  81. MGB says:

    You’re/we’re doomed iSteve. You friggin’ cry baby vaccine evangelists have proselytized for the end of democracy based on the war cry of ‘science’. You and Unz and the rest of the face diaper fetishists have done more to sink the USA boat than any loony gaggle of antifas or the ‘black’ crime wave you get all priapic over. You should have stuck to baseball stats and movie reviews.

  82. Art Deco says:

    Get less depressed. See the British data. The explosion of ‘cases’ of the Delta variant has had a minimal effect on death tolls. This is even more pronounced in Missouri, which is having a mini-outbreak of Delta-variant ‘cases’ while the death tolls continue to decline.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Spud Boy
  83. anon[488] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.theinsight.org/p/novelty-means-severity-the-key-to

    Look…severe reactions in a minority of cases to the novel virus last year caused all the commotion.

    This stuff will forever evolve.

    But it won’t be novel again in the West.

    Plus….Jon Rahm failed another test. Spread among the vaccinated improves your golf? Maybe not but it doesn’t much hurt your game.

    Unfortunately for anti vaxxers they will no longer get a free ride. But they won’t be dealing with crowded hospitals.

    This year it’s not even the flu.

  84. No cheer from here. Just questions:

    What if there was not just one gain of function strain released, but several? That’s some real Twelve Monkeys action. New lucrative vaccines required in perpetuity.

    What if the rumor about the vaxxed shedding particles from the vax, which are responsible for the new cases, is true?

    Why would new more virulent strains of the virus evolve naturally when the dissident scientists tell us that the opposite should be happening?

    As Long Duc Dong would say: Leck. Big Leck.

  85. AndrewR says:

    Then hide in your house forever like a good goy, and don’t forget the jabs!

  86. Sortocracy (sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them) enables Protective Sequestration

    I don’t know if that will cheer you up, but the way I look at it is this:

    Would you rather have a 30 Years War enable Sortocracy or would you rather have a relentless pandemic enable Sortocracy?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  87. epebble says:

    I got this just now from NY Times

    Good morning. We offer advice about thinking through breakthrough infection

    Let’s start with a few facts that are clear:

    Vaccinated people are nearly guaranteed not to be hospitalized or killed by Covid.

    Among children under 12, who remain ineligible for the vaccine, serious forms of Covid are also extremely rare. Children face bigger risks when they ride in a car.

    The Delta variant does not appear to change either of those facts.

    Millions of unvaccinated American adults are vulnerable to hospitalization or death from Covid.

    If you are vaccinated, be more afraid of traffic accidents than Covid.

    Unvaccinated have a 1% chance of dying. With 100 million unvaccinated, that is a big number; but easily preventable.

    • Replies: @Travis
  88. Spud Boy says:
    @Altai

    “We have a means of ending covid outbreaks, it’s called a travel moratorium and a short harsh lockdown”

    I’m not disagreeing, but travel moratoriums are not politically popular, especially with large multi-national corporations that need to monitor overseas factories.

    And WRT harsh lockdowns, how are people going to eat if you lock down food workers, grocery stores, etc?

  89. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    https://www.ft.com/content/0f11b219-0f1b-420e-8188-6651d1e749ff

    While anecdotal accounts of breakthrough infections can make such cases feel widespread, the real numbers have remained small and were generally in line with expectations, experts said.

    “There’s no such thing as a perfect vaccine . . . with Covid it’s no different,” said Professor William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University.

    The yellow fever jab, for example, is widely understood to be the most effective live-virus vaccine ever invented, with a single dose generating long-lasting immunity in 98 per cent of those vaccinated. But even that means that on average 2 per cent of people will still get infected.

    Phase 3 trials for most of the leading Covid-19 jabs showed an efficacy against symptomatic infection of more than 90 per cent. Real-world studies of effectiveness in the UK, Israel and Canada suggest that vaccines are displaying a slightly lower effectiveness outside of the trial environment, probably because of the spread of the more vaccine-resistant Delta variant. Estimates put protection against symptomatic infection, depending on the vaccine, at between 60-90 per cent.

    According to Public Health England, about 17 per cent of the 105,598 Delta variant cases reported across England in the four weeks to July 19 were among fully vaccinated people. PHE counts people as fully vaccinated 14 days after their second dose.

    Anthony Masters, a member of the UK’s Royal Statistical Society, said fully vaccinated people were likely to make up a “bigger proportion” of cases as vaccine coverage was extended, particularly in younger groups who face a higher exposure risk because of greater social mixing.

    “If you get extremely high coverage across the different ages, it’s plausible that cases could become [in] majority among fully vaccinated people,” he said. About 55 per cent of the UK population had received both doses by July 21.

    In Israel, where nearly 60 per cent of the population are fully vaccinated and coverage is spread more evenly across age cohorts, 52 per cent of about 6,000 people who tested positive in the week to July 21 were fully vaccinated.

    Very few fully vaccinated people who test positive for Covid-19 are getting seriously ill. According to PHE’s real-world studies, the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine is still 96 per cent effective against hospital admission, while the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot is 92 per cent effective.

    But Natalie Dean, a biostatistics professor at Emory University in Atlanta, stressed that these figures were averages and that efficacy depended on people’s existing risk profiles. “Everything is relative when it comes to vaccines and risk,” she said.

  90. @Dieter Kief

    Did this gentleman in the video consider any temporal lead that Israel may have had over the UK?

    The second shot seems 98.5% efficacious in rationalizing

    1) that you made the smart move,

    2) that you should get a third and every subsequent shot offered, and

    3) that anything bad is the fault of those who choose to defer. They’re slackers, like Jo-Jo in Horton Hears A Who.

  91. Spud Boy says:
    @Art Deco

    “The explosion of ‘cases’ of the Delta variant has had a minimal effect on death tolls.”

    Which makes me wonder, is the death rate lower because of the vaccines, or are we just better at treating COVID cases than we were a year ago? Or have we culled the weakest from the herd last year and so those of us left are better able to cope with an infection? Or some combination of all three?

  92. Cheer up. There will be effective drug cocktails. Sooner or later they will hit the right combination. A drug cocktail that prevents serious illness and leaves you immune is enough. This will happen.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-existing-drugs-fight-coronavirus-with-almost-100-success-in-jerusalem-lab/amp/

  93. anonguy says:

    This is a scenario with more negative than positive possibilities.

    The first is that the virus like everything else has become politicized in our divided society.

    What are the historical precedents for a divided society taking effective collective measures against an epidemic?

    The record of humanity isn’t very good on this. Epidemics make things worse in divided societies seems to be the usual case

    So that is a full stop right there, yes things will get worse before they get better. It is the secular trend.

    But drilling in anyhow nor reasons for preparedness about the future.

    This is both a novel disease with novel vaccine technology, the mRNA stuff. So unknown unknowns abound and for medical stuff on average that is negative.

    What are the long term effects of either. Nobody knows because there is no history.

    One thing to expect is a fall resurgence and how that works with large masses of vaccinated people and an evolving virus.

    There are some ugly scenarios suggested by earlier research into SARS et al the nightmare scenario is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE).

    Other bad outcomes are seemingly possible by other credible research.

    But will they happen? Nobody can predict that. So you have to go by probabilities.

    My probabilities at the moment

    100%. The situation will get worse before better whether from the biological effects of the virus or its societally disruptive ones.

    75% The virus and or vaccine will have unforeseen long term consequences. I’m probably sandbagging because this one is a gimme.

    How could both a novel virus and a novel vaccine technology not have issues. Maybe one or the other but both are perfectly benign?

    After this it is just a descending scale of possibilities with increasing severity.

    Now consider this. Our society has proven quite fragile to a virus with a lowish mortality rate (on initial unfection, that’s all the data now) so if it turns out the on the ground health crisis worsens our society will be even more unable to respond effectively to an even larger threat.

    This is a feedback loop and is generally why things will get worse for a while.

    At the bottom of the risk profiles is full on
    catastrophe, zombie apocalypse.

    I’m loathe to put odds on this, but it is certainly closer than at any time since the end of the Cold War.

    So you have to be realistic about things. The world has enjoyed La Belle Epoque II the past thirty years and the wheels are coming off.

    But don’t live in fear. It’s like being a sailor, if you have indication of rough weather take reasonable precautions.

    If it hadn’t been the virus it would have been something else.

  94. It is difficult to know what to believe. Is this really a disease in which many people can be infected and yet have no symptoms whatsoever and pass it on to other people?

    Or is there just a lot of lousy information compounded with people lying through their teeth?

    The poor woman who was murdered in London by the rogue policeman was taking a 40 minutes walk home from her boyfriend’s house–but this was during lockdown when she should not have been in his home. How many millions of others are quietly evading mandatory precautions?

    Here in Ecuador people are quietly getting vaccinated and taking sensible precautions.

    For example on entering a supermarket, you temperature is taken you are given alcohol gel for the hands, and your shopping buggy handle is wipes with alcohol for you. Customers are assigned to checkouts and there are waiting spots marked on the floor.

    There is no massive panic but people are aware of the disease and always wearing the face masks except when eating in restaurants, or within homes.

    We are not hearing much from the “there is nothing wrong with being fat” brigade in the US these days.

    Influenza evolves all the time and new vaccines are produced every year. I had the Sinovac which was made from killed virus. They can always kill some more viruses and make some more vaccine.

    And why are they not having so much problem with the virus in China? Is it because people are obeying precautions?

    In England the Pakistani and Bangladeshi populations have been badly hit, but is this because the virus discriminates against Curry eaters, or is it because those people are not taking proper precautions and getting vaccinated?

  95. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Did the methodology of pre-clinical and clinical trials on the covid vaxxes include a challenge of fully vaxxed humans against covid infection vs. those that have recovered from a wild covid infection so similarly challenged … to see the differential (if any)?

    All this talk by Fauci and others seems to guide the public convo away from that question. Who cares if the vaxx reduces symptoms, if that is tantamount to an up-titer of viral load before symptoms are noticed? Because in that event … the vaxxed would be driving the spread – no? Who cares if the vaxx can provide you with 95%, 90%, 60%, 40% …..and now probably as low as 30% protection against delta variant infection (as per Covid Officialdom’s ever-changing reports in this respect), when even at the 95% level ….. we really don’t know what this means, if the challenge in the first paragraph above, was never conducted before vaxx roll-out. How does this 95%, actually rate, by way of asking Sowell’s ever-necessary ‘compared to what’ question? It seems a recovery from a wild covid infection, always provided said individual with protection against reinfection, as multiple times better than vaxx ….. and yet this has just remained unsaid, after months and months of vaxx roll-out, because it seems that nobody asks the question …. which is actually just an illusion that nobody asks the question, because: The truth is there are plenty of people that see all this, ask about these types of issues, but are continually censored.

    Mr Unz: You are a journalistic truth-detective, with the kind of hyper-focus that could shed light, as to what precisely happened, pre-clinical and clincial-trials-wise, that allows Fauci and others to continue with their obfuscating rhetoric. I hope you get curious about that. Then your mental acuity will be put to some good use.

  96. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    The data from both Israel and UK are unequivocal: CFR now is literally at a level of seasonal flu (that’s overall, must be lower in vaccinated). If you were not depressed over flu in the past, there is no reason to be depressed now over Covid. Chances are overwhelming that, should you get infected, it will be just like regular cold at worse. Unless you are unlucky and the vaccine did not elicit appreciable immune response in your body.

    The only depressing this I see is the never-ending fear porn over Covid, which has succeeded to get to you.

    http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extraData=cases-daily-7&extraDataScale=separately#countries

  97. Natural immunity prevents COVID infections better than the vaccines, especially against the new variants. Young people are better off not getting vaccinated so they can acquire natural immunity. Millions of young Americans have natural immunity but are not aware because they had no symptoms or very mild symptoms. Half the US population is under the age of 43 and 72 million of them have natural immunity. Americans under the age of 40 have little reason to get the experimental vaccines.

  98. Deckin says:

    Check https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/#graph-cases-daily

    It’s clear that though cases are rising, death and serious illness is staying at levels so low that in any other situation, we’d stop counting altogether. Don’t be guilty of turning into a permanent attendodemic. Imagine if we treated anything else like this: Zero cases is the only acceptable baseline; perpetual panic and stress the new norm.

    As someone said, either get outside or go visit the US South–right now hands down the freest place on earth.

  99. One and a half million people die every year from tuberculosis, but not many in the United States.

    Why is that? Is there any political movement to cease TB precautions and testing in the United States?

    It is well known that crazy people often attach their delusions to current affairs news, but is it possible that current affairs news can actually turn more people delusional? Covid-19 seems to be causing an exponential rise in insanity.

  100. It seems like most discussions regarding Covid cause staunch disagreements and are hotly contested, and I don’t have much to say about all of the vaccines. The claims that they are a certain percent effective, I think, will only be borne out after all of this is over.

    I’ve come away convinced, however, that two therapeutics have been very successful in combating the problem so long as they are taken early: Ivermectin and HCQ (when taken with Zinc and Azithromycin). Two good friends are family docs and have given me good reason to believe this. You can talk to your doctor and have them prescribed prophylactically. It should also be kept in mind that this is still something that affects persons that are 70+ (likely the age of your friend’s mother, who I hope recovers).

    I have been trying to spend more time outdoors and away from the computer and TV. Frankly, that’s probably good advice for most things.

  101. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:

    Stop freaking, Steve.

    1. Read Briggs. Can’t believe you aren’t already. You can find him via neorxn.com aggregator.

    2. I had it. I am 65. 6’3” 215, should weigh 190. I had a fever for two days: I took 4 advil and it reduced to where I could go about my life. Had light diarrhea for another day. And it was basically over. I was slightly fatigued for a week. Frankly I wouldn’t even put it in my top 20 of illness bouts. I was a little annoyed that people were so afraid of it and all the disruption we have suffered for a weak little flu.

    3. When you start to freak go to Google and search “Covid cases”. It will show you graphs of cases and deaths by state and county. Currently it shows California data up until July 25. And you will see Nobody Is Dying. Cases are going up because testing is going up. “Deaths” are like how Homicides are the telling stat among crime stats: A body is a real thing.

    4. Trust your numeracy and what you know. A virus will most likely mutate away from lethality: Data is bearing this out.

    5. Golf

    We’re gonna make it.

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  102. The news out of Canada today is that those who’ve mixed vaccines (i.e. AstraZeneca + Pfizer) are being restricted from international travel and cruises, despite government assurances and encouragement to mix vaccines.

    Kind of makes you wonder what else they’ve been wrong about.

  103. Mike Tre says:

    You’re depressed? Think of how all the lockdown fueled suicides felt.

    • Replies: @HA
  104. Time to just ignore it, Steve. Live and let live (or die). S*** happens and this is pretty minor compared to Antonine Plague, Justinian Plague, and Black Death. Especially minor if one can manage to be not obese and in normally decent health. And all those past societies with *real* plagues just got on with life. Of course, something they had that many today in the West don’t: purpose and meaning derived from a living faith in the divine. So go to church and cheer up: everybody dies, bro. The point is to live while God gives you life and trust to Him for the rest.

  105. uman says:

    Why don’t you post more about the most important graph in the world? Or something about Asians and south Asians meritocratic elite in America in future?

  106. After a year of this mess, why are we not requiring anyone crossing the border to quarantine for 40 days? If Biden wants an infrastructure bill, let him start by building quarantine camps at international airports. Put a 75% tax on overseas airline tickets and a 50% tax on overseas remittances.

    • Replies: @anon
  107. A question for Steve, as a statistically-inclined guy from Los Angeles:

    Though we’ve all written wistfully about living in California during the time it was nearly Paradise or “the Promised Land”, there was all that smog in the past. How much death was caused by the smog to the people living right down in the basin (and not on beach either) as compared to the deaths from COVID-19 that have occured?

    You’d have to work that out over a long period of living in the smog. It sure would have been nice to have been living there in the time of Jim Rockford, the mid-1970s, driving your 2nd-gen Camaro through the canyons and out across the mountains to Tehachapi or wherever. There may have been a price to pay, not even counting the fiery wrecks I’d have gotten in due to not knowing how to properly perform a Jim Rockford turn-around.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  108. Mr. Anon says:

    And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants.

    Hopefully, they mostly still keep you out of the hospital.

    A useful outpatient treatment might have kept a lot of people out of the hospital too. And there seem to be a couple (Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc, Ivermectin), but they were suppressed by the medical and public-health establishments so as to make vaccines appear to be the only option.

    Having had a SARS-COV2 infection seems to confer better immunity than having had the vaccine, at least based on the recent data from Israel. And that is what one would expect; the human body has a pretty complex defense-in-depth immune system. When it functions well, it’s pretty good. If more young people, who have virtually no risk of severe illness from the virus, had gotten it and developed natural immunity, we’d be a lot closer to herd immunity.

    And the vaccines themselves appear to have killed several thousand people. How many is not known and I certainly wouldn’t expect an honest answer from the CDC. But just by considering the mechanism by which the vaccines work indicates that they would likely be harmful in some people. The vaccine probably works for a lot of people, and it probably can be quite dangerous for some people. That’s the sort of thing that might have come out of more extensive clinical trials, which weren’t done because this was the Apocalypse.

    Corona Virus Pandemic World Death Toll to date: 0.054% (if you believe their numbers, which I don’t)

    Asian Flu Pandemic of 1957-58 World Death Toll: 0.037%

    Doesn’t seem very apocalypsy to me.

    I wonder how many people even really got the mRNA vaccines. Given their stringent cold-storage requirements, perhaps a lot of people just got dud-doses.

    If you want to cheer up, Steve, I suggest you stop expecting any more truth from the CDC than you expect from the Department of Justice or Education or any other government agency.

    And make sure your getting enough Vitamin D3. You might also try taking Zinc and Quercetin. Zinc is a known anti-viral and Quercetin is an ionophore that transports zinc into the cell (which is what hydroxychloroquine is believed to do too). They’re both OTC and available at most health suplement stores or online.

    • Agree: Travis
  109. @Altai

    Yes travel lockdowns could be very effective, but full implementation would mean not just closing national borders, but also shutting down on all non-essential travel within Nations.

    For example in the United States you could shut down all interstate travel, and restrict intercounty travel to essential journeys for work and delivery of food and supplies.

    A question is all about how seriously do you want to take this. Various wars have been declared, for example the war on drugs all the war on want, about to get rid of the covid-19 virus really requires that a whole nation be put on a wartime state of emergency in the war against Covid.

    In the United States there simply isn’t the will to do this, and the patchwork political system of state governments, federal governments, and various levels of judges who can veto laws makes it almost impossible to implement a single coherent plan.

    The United States cannot even make a proper decision over Britney Spears, let alone Covid-19.

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @V. Hickel
  110. Covid is going to be the next black death. Humanity’s futile attempts to make a vaccine for it are just a charade. Covid has diversity, and as we all know, when it comes to disaster, diversity is a strength.

    It’s just our fate in life, and if we’re going to be perfectly honest, we really deserve this. Just look at the mistakes we made over the 200 years. Covid will wipe the slate clean. This isn’t something to be depressed over. It’s something to look forward to!

    • Agree: Sollipsist
  111. Anon7 says:

    The viruses have been out to get us since time immemorial. It’s an arms race; they evolve, we evolve.

    Last year, we didn’t have much information. Maybe Covid is seasonal, we hoped. Maybe Covid will just mutate into something harmless, and leave us alone, we hoped. Maybe we’ll get a vaccine, and it will just stop Covid in its tracks. We hoped.

    Or maybe we’ll all get it. Over and over, like we’ve all had colds over and over.

    So, you might as well introduce your body to a laboratory selected version, i.e., get vaccinated. Your odds of survival will be much better when your body encounters a wild strain.

    I hope.

  112. It was just the flu, if you understand how the flu itself became top dog and how much of a killer it in fact remained for its one-hundred year run. This is the replacement settling in as the flu did circa 1917-1919.

    Need to be aware of the extent to which big pharma/groupthink has suppressed effective therapeutics* domestically for those who need them and that large swathes of the public don’t. As for the vackscenes drug development cycles had become overextended but that’s not something you fix overnight and the effort to do so was always likely to be imperfect.

    * – including preventative measures like combating obesity

    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
  113. Here’s some data from Singapore, which had zero cases a month ago, but has seen an upsurge, about 1,300 cases, in the last month. The data is for the period for the last week of June and the first three weeks of July and is from their Ministry of Health’s website. They’ve used mostly the Pfizer vaccine and some Moderna.

    And a news article from Israel, about their experience with the Pfizer vaccine.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-those-who-inoculated-early-twice-as-likely-to-catch-covid-as-later-adopters/

  114. Gary says:

    Stevie,

    Assume you and your family have received Pfizer or Moderna Jab.

    Count what little time you have left to suffer and die from their lethal toxicity,
    50 BILLION spiked proteins in each jab attacking every organ in your body.
    In mRNA animal trials EVERY ANIMAL DIED

    Eat, drink, and be merry. Arrogant, vain, and stupid is no way to be.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • LOL: Rob
    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
    , @NOTA
    , @Rob
  115. Bill H. says: • Website

    The government/media campaign is working. People who are depressed don’t fight back. They sit back and passively let the government do whatever it wants to do. Congratulations, you are validating government policy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  116. @Jonathan Mason

    All those precautions operate on the assumption that human beings are continuous, coronavirus-shedding machines. This is how you empower neurotics. Sort of related, I remember when everyone was saying American colleges are conveyor-operated rape factories. Rapeatoriums, rapenasiums.

    The whole narrative is starting to show holes: Fauci’s GOF funding and patents; a typically sloppy Chinese lab; a “95% effective vaccine” that, it turns out, doesn’t suppress the virus at all and must be taken every 6 months; the early use of ventilators as contagion control (grotesque negligence); vaccinating elderly, immuno-compromised people (formerly, we told people over age 65 not to get flu shots); the fiddling with test cycles.

    Steve needs to get out from behind his computer more, as Achmed Newman suggests.

  117. @Desiderius

    This is the replacement settling in as the flu did circa 1917-1919.

    Interesting theory.

    Any links or other material which discusses this?

  118. I suggest turning off the mainstream news for a while, despite the blog fodder it produces. Many families up here in the north have been living normally – shopping, gathering, going out – and we are not all falling ill or dropping dead. But we don’t turn on the panic porn on the television.

  119. @Altai

    A problem with restricting travel is that there are now immigrant diasporas who have funerals, families etc to visit and are acting as agents to bring in things like the Delta variant into Australia, for example, which would otherwise be in a prime place to operate normally due to their isolation. Indeed, Australia has operated normally through most of this because of that. Ditto for New Zealand.

    Can we dispense with this? There’s nowhere on earth that doesn’t rely on quite a lot of imports. Travel in and out of Australia and New Zealand never stopped for a moment; it was just made unpleasant and burdensome (for ordinary schmoes at least).

    There are alternative hypotheses for Aus/NZ’s relative success that haven’t been tested – and they may well have been counting their chickens before they hatched anyway.

  120. If I wanted depression about covid soothed I’m not sure the Unz commentariat is the place I’d turn to to seek that… (unless ‘covid doesn’t even exist you moron shill’ style replies are what sooth you).

    So, here’s a tabloid headline from England to soothe (?) – ‘is covid on the run??’ – cases falling nationwide…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9825881/How-Covid-falling-levelling-region-England.html

  121. JR Ewing says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This is what I was going to suggest: just turn off the television, especially if you’re inclined to believe the doom and gloom, however subconsciously.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  122. “In the United States there simply isn’t the will to do this”

    Despite the machinations of the authoritarian technocracy there still exists a sizeable minority of Americans who don’t want to live like human cattle. Understand the fact that a bio-weapon was purposefully released into the world to achieve a multifaceted agenda; that the mRNA technology is a major aspect of that agenda. So don’t be surprised when the vaccines don’t work the way you want them to.

  123. Rob Lee says:

    Steve,

    You are a highly-intelligent, carbon-based bipedal life form walking, talking and writing (excellently-well, by the way!) on the face of the most improbable little ball of dirt in the known universe. You are living at the height of civilization in the greatest country in the history of the world, tarnished as we may now think it to be (still wouldn’t want to be way back on the Oregon trail dying from dysentery!). Keep it all relative, Good Sir! Focusing on COVID to the exclusion of every other funny little way of dying off denies the obvious humor of our ephemeral crawl through this brutally awesome short life. Take some advice: Actually walk out your front door, look up into that beautiful blue Southern California sky, take a very deep five-count breath and think to yourself, “This too shall pass.”

    Eventually we’re all dirt, and whether you believe in an afterlife or not, the dirt nap cometh to all of us – the great leveler, as it were. Focusing on how you enter that napping state is an exercise in absolute futility; bee-sting, COVID or car accident, we all lay down in our time. Personally I like to think of it more as comedy than tragedy.

    And if you actually want to chuckle about it, think about this: Gates, Bezos, Carlos Slim, Soros, etc., will eventually die and lose all of what they perceive to be important – same as me, same as you – but it’ll actually hurt them far more because they’re maniacally focused on extending their lives to greedily grasp at preserving their supposed places of high honor. They want to remain as gods with everything at their beck and call. But like every other human being they’ll never be satisfied even though they have it all… endless champagne and fine food, homes across the globe, millions upon millions of dollars… because at the end it means absolutely nothing. The happiest man, after all, is the man who can honestly say “I have enough,” though he be the poorest in the land.

    If you don’t want to take my word for it, listen to Abd-el-Raham, Caliph of Cordoba (912-961):

    “I have now reigned above fifty years in victory and peace, beloved by my subjects, dreaded by my enemies, and respected by my allies. Riches and honors, power and pleasure, have waited on my call, nor does any earthly blessing appear to be wanting for my felicity. In this situation, I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: they amount to fourteen. O man, place not thy confidence in this present world!”

    – The Great Quotations by George Seldes – 1993 edition. Ozymandius indeed!

    You’re alive NOW, Steve. Tell your loved ones you love them and don’t worry about tomorrow.

    Feeling any better?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  124. Fully vaccinated people thought they could go around without a mask. They caught the virus. The vaccine did its thing, but only after they had a slight infection. In the interim they were spreading covid to the unvaxxed. The delta variant puts out a thousand times the viral load which makes it even more likely the vaxxed would catch and spread. The mRNA vax is untested for the long term. We don’t know what it will do – lymphomas, autoimmune problems. The people talking about this are being hushed up so there is no discussion. The censorship makes people even more suspicious.

    The problem as I see it isn’t unvaccinated people. They take precautions. The problem is how vaxxed people put the virus behind them allowing them to spread it like the plague. Pun intended.

  125. gent says:

    Kinda shocked you haven’t approved my earlier comments, Steve. As far as I am aware I am the only regular commentator here who actually works on these drugs.

  126. @Spotted Toad

    Always good to hear your thoughts, Toad. Once this crisis is resolved one hopes that you and Steve will finally find yourselves in a station befitting your talents.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  127. Steve, type Ivermectin in DuckDuckgo. Read widely. Listen to the Bret Weinstein podcasts on the subject. Listen to Pierre Kory. Go to FLCCC and read the collected science on the topic. If you think it worthy, write about it and pass it on.

  128. I’m Getting Depressed About Covid Again

    I say:

    I was severely depressed — I mean I had the blues like John Lee Hooker had the blues — until I had a moment of total pure genius inspiration about frosted mugs for ale. One time around sunset when I like to drink ale, it hit me like a thunderbolt that instead of having just one mug I should have TWO mugs in order to have one getting frosted while I was drinking delicious ale from the other one. Now I always have a frosted mug on standby and I have enjoyed total bliss from that moment on.

    I wept with joy at this Godly inspiration and I thanked the Ale God and The One True God and I escaped from the terrible clutches of depression.

    Just kidding and you people prone to depression should avoid that by refusing to be in any state but total outrage and furious anger or a contemplative state or happy or in no mood at all. Depression — or the black dog — or whatever it is called is no damn good for you and it interferes with preparation to smash the shit out of the treasonous and vile Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    CHINA LAB FLU makes the case for an immigration moratorium, but one of the only politicians calling for that is some dentist named Gosar from Arizona.

    The Gosar surname is Slovenian and Gosar is also half Basque and I like the Half Baked Ben and Jerry’s ice cream now owned by Unilever but some treasonous asshole from Oklahoma named Lankford who puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA wants to censor and imprison and fine some bastards for selling ice cream somewhere that the Israel Lobby don’t like.

    This treasonous piece of shit Jimmy Lankford pushes mass legal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and Lankford wants to flood out the USA with a massive wave of Asian Indian invaders.

    Monetary policy and immigration policy are the top issues and it pisses me off that mugs ain’t focusing on them.

    SUMMERTIME IN ENGLAND by Van Morrison will help keep depression or the black dog or the blues away!

    Viking guy in England currently enjoying the Danegeld from the Queen makes a damn good point:

    • Agree: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  129. It’s not going away, clearly. It would be good if they could roll out strain specific boosters faster, but it seems like the process is still going to take months. At this point I’m ready to get COVID since it seems like a combination of vaccine mediated and natural immunity is the best you can do. The thing I don’t understand about the re-masking people is if we’re doing this in the post vaccine world how do we ever get back to normal life. It seems like the socially atomized and zoom based covid lifestyle becoming permanent is a feature not a bug for a lot of the covidians, despite them saying of course at the beginning that these were short term emergency methods.

    The way I think about it is this. After you’ve been vaccinated and/or survived covid we’re talking about a respiratory infection with about the expected morbidity and mortality of the flu. And we never stopped living life because of the flu. Does it suck that there’s now a new respiratory pathogen that’s as bad or worse than the flu that will never go away. Yea, sure, it sucks. But it’s not twelve monkeys. Also we need to have a full accounting where we hold the Chinese and the NIH responsible for unleashing this disease on the world.

  130. @Achmed E. Newman

    How about a visit to the Getty Villa? “A one-of-a-kind destination offering ancient Greek and Roman art, tranquil gardens, and ocean breezes.” My late sister’s go-to get your head together venue.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  131. Kgaard says:

    It’s pretty obvious at this point that the vaccine itself is causing most of the infections.

  132. “cheer me up”

    Death awaits us all. So live in short-time and be grateful for what you’ve got: the life of a rebel public intellectual and a woman who supports this endeavor. You have a significant fan base, more quality than quantity, and influence. A roof over your head and food in the fridge. You might want to cast a more skeptical eye on the medical and science establishment as the vaccines don’t perform as advertised. Otherwise, exercise, vitamin D and take a pass on the orgies.

  133. Tiny Duck says:

    1. with competent leadership the virus is being kept under control

    2. misinforimation is being combatted

    3. rabble rousers like the treasonous curs of January are being policed

    4. reparations are bing discussed

    5. critical race thoery is a fait accompli

    6. demographics are changing

    7. the borders are less draconianly secure

    8. Christianity is being criticized

    9. The USA is kicking butt in the olympics

    10. republicans are losing big time

    11. vaccines will become mandatory

    12. right wingers will be become persona non grata

    13. Blue staters are colonizing red states

  134. SafeNow says:

    What depresses ME is that a variety of effective Covid-prevention techniques have been virtually ignored. I will take but one example: air-quality improvement. About a year ago, at the office of my smart, Asian-American (oops, redundancy) oral surgeon, I observed that the air-return vents in the ceiling had been purring away frequently during my visit. I asked if she had coupled an air exchanger onto her HVAC system. Indeed, she had, thus “diluting” the Covid load for a paltry \$1,000. A different air-improvement technology is the use of special lamps tuned to the narrow Covid-neutralizing frequency.

    My second depression trigger: Whenever I read that a particular gap in Covid knowledge exists because studies to obtain the knowledge would be “logistically” difficult. “Logistics” is an infuriating euphemism for “expensive and complicated.”

    Stupidity abounds, and this is especially depressing and mystifying, because the Fed’s printing press has been, at least for now, free. Signing-off from California, where the police harbor boat chased-down the solitary paddle-boarder.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    , @NOTA
  135. Michael S says:

    Me, I’m not depressed at all. This whole “epidemic” is a global-scale fitness test, and I’m not talking about immune systems.

    It seems that the elites finally found your pressure point, and every boomer’s pressure point, really: your health. And now, as I’m not the first to point out, you’re suddenly unable to notice what’s obviously going on around you.

    By taking the shots, many people, especially younger people, are weakening their natural immunity and often acquiring both short-term acute and long-term chronic heart disease for what is increasingly turning out to be a near-worthless “vax”. Singapore and some other countries, who are less eager to fudge their statistics with heavily biased testing protocols and reporting guidelines, report that most of the new cases are coming from the vaccinated group. The breakthrough rate appears to be nearly 50% when you look at closed environments and actually do the math yourself rather than relying on what the cable news anchor is saying.

    But that is likely not the whole story. I don’t believe that it’s really mostly the vaccinated who are getting it – just the vaccinated who are getting hospitalized for it. Because we warned you all, months ago, that evidence was piling up that these experimental spike-protein vaccines could sensitize people to other strains, and lo and behold, that’s exactly what they did. Delta strain is so mild that the unvaccinated – unmodified is more like it – never experience anything more than a bad cold, and rarely any noticeable symptoms at all. That’s why the stats look so lopsided. Even in America where they’ll test the unmodified for Covid if they go in for a hangnail, they can’t come up with enough cases to make that stat look good for the vax.

    And that was before we learned about the cytotoxicity.

    You should be depressed, and ashamed for pushing the same nonsense from the same reporters and “experts” whom you’ve already identified as power-hungry liars and grifters in every other walk of life. This thing was basically over before we had any vaccines, cases were declining in states that never had any lockdowns and confirmed deaths had fallen to near zero despite the “anyone who tests positive for Covid has it reported as the cause of death” rule. If you eliminate iatrogenic deaths, the natural Covid deaths had probably zeroed out weeks or months earlier. We told you all this, and we told you the vaccine was unnecessary and stupid and likely to cause more problems than it would solve, and that your theories tying the 2020 sham-election results to vaccine releases were dumb, and that if Trump were half as competent as anyone believed then he would have done everything he could to prevent such a catastrophic rollout.

    And did you listen? Did any of you listen? Of course not. You injected yourselves and tried to shame your neighbors into it, and every time some new evidence comes up, you write it off as “but this virus is just so tenacious and dangerous and scary and depressing!” Yeah, for those who refuse to get over it. To the rest of us, you might as well be prattling on about the dangers of white privilege and manspreading.

    So I’m not depressed. I feel great. While I was admittedly a little late to the skeptics’ party, I saw the light last year and have been repeatedly vindicated by everything that has happened since then. Covid is a big bag o’ nothin’ that brought a few people already on death’s doorstep though that door, and although I initially did feel a little bad about that, the stated desire of that same group to have the rest of us coerced and experimented on and endangered just so they can hang on for a few extra months has removed all of that sympathy.

    Everything is as it should be. Those who resisted the evil are staying relatively safe. I wouldn’t put it past these spiteful bastards to try to deliberately engineer a new strain that only targets the unmodified, but I don’t think they’re smart enough, considering that seems to be precisely the sort of research they were already doing (badly) when “coof zero” escaped the lab.

  136. but isn’t legality for vaccinated if not zero still lower than for the flu?

  137. Kirt says:

    When it became apparent that this thing was pretty wide spread (around early March of 2020), I predicted it would be around for a long time, that there would be no knockout punch vaccine, that we would not get rid of it, but happily it would not get rid of us. I see no reason to change any of those predictions. Life is full of risk and has a 100% mortality rate. Just because we now have a new risk (far from the worst) to calculate in the mix, is not anything to get all depressed about. The government, media, and establishment in general reactions cause a lot of anxiety and that’s what they’re intended to do. Masking and (anti-) social distancing are especially evil because they physically condition us to treat our fellow humans with fear and loathing. Avoid or get around the regulations as much as possible. A more social and less distanced life will be one with more happiness and less depression.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  138. Vaccines stop people from dying of Covid. Given the number of cases in the UK, deaths should be 1000+.

    Instead, they are 20+ and mostly the unvaccinated.

    This epidemic is over the UK.

    Ignore the headlines.

    Booster shots and natural Immunity from infection will continue to improve the situation. Additional treatments, like Ivermectin, will eventually be added into the mix. All of this renders the disease as much less than “it is just the flu”. This is exceptional progress.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  139. DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Merrick Garland must be immediately arrested for aiding and abetting the illegal alien invader invasion of the USA. Biden and Harris and Garland are illegally using their current status as government workers to give harbor to illegal alien invaders, and that is in clear violation of the immigration laws of the USA.

    Biden and Harris and Garland must be arrested and given a trial and when they are found guilty they must be immediately put in prison.

  140. anoN[460] • Disclaimer says:

    SARS-COV-2 is a banned biological weapon of the US government used in manifest breach of the UN Charter, the crime of aggression. The vaccines are a mass medical experiment corruptly developed in panicked reaction to the indiscriminate mass destruction of the US sneak attack, imposed through ulterior constraint and coercion in a crime against humanity.

    Command responsibility for this gravest of crimes dictates prosecution or extradition of the US civil/military command structure. State responsibility dictates US restitution, compensation with interest, or satisfaction for wronged states, all 192 of them.

    Keep your eye on the ball. This no-fault response fixation is an artifact of intensive statist brainwashing. The endgame is replacement of the USA, a failed state in law, as an erga omnes responsibility of the UN member nations including nuclear armed great powers that control escalation at all levels, including strategic deterrence.

    So cheer up! Your shithole is gonna get wiped up.

    • Troll: Ben Kurtz
    • Replies: @anon
  141. @Ron Unz

    In short: Fully vaccinated people test positive and infect others. And few fully vaccinated have gotten sick, even hospitalized. Medical chief at our biggest hospital expects a wave coming his way in about 14 days.

    Needless to say the mood over here is dropping like stone.

    The fact that few fully vaccinated people even get sick should elevate the mood, not drop it. Everyone in Iceland now has access to protection if they want it. They have full choice.

  142. Q-ship says:
    @Ron Unz

    With regard to widespread or pandemic viral infections, it seems that the general trend is usually (not always) toward decreased virulence over time. Having a virus mutate to become more contagious and more virulent seems to be a less likely scenario. It makes one wonder if the “delta variant” is the result of mutations from the original strain, or is another laboratory creation.

  143. I assume, Sailer, you let President Trump tap you two times with his tiny little Prick, so the good news is all your Earthly problems will disappear within a few months. If you are an IP and thus didn’t let Trump’s little prick anywhere near your body, then you get to enjoy SoCal like it’s 1955.

    But the best news of all: Covid is a hoax! Viz:

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Troll: Corvinus
  144. @Achmed E. Newman

    1. Dr Weil recommends no news because it is too depressing. Obviously Mr. Sailer (we love you!) cannot do this and get paid, but he could manually zap any and all covid news (he could even not approve any covid comments in his threads). I quit reading my other favorite website for almost ten months for this exact reason–it was too much covid and too damn depressing.

    2. morton’s toes’ home remedy for depression:

    1st thing every morning (the only other thing allowed precedence is peeing and pooping) do as many burpees as you possibly can.
    Take a short nap before supper.
    Then also before supper and after the short nap again do as many burpees as you possibly can.
    Eat light, sleep heavy, take a few days break from caffeine and alcohol.

    Rothschilds and Rockefellers and Gateses and Bezoses all will eventually die and be remembered as [expletive deleted]. That is Gurdjieff’s home remedy for depression not mine but it also might be useful. If you can’t do rapid fire burpees like the youtube demos just do them steady without resting as many as you can and you will get the exact same (albeit relative) benefit.

  145. Lots of good stuff on this feed, including the above:

    Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉
    @sailorrooscout
    Chise / ♏️ / ENFJ / Senior Scientist / Vaccine Development / VPL•VRC•NIAID•NIH

  146. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    ACE2 agonists like Ivermectin, dandelion extract, and licorice extract should help. The spike protien has an affinity for the ACE2 receptor site. If another substance is locked into that receptor, the virus wont spread so fast in the body, and gives the immune system a better chance.

    I had covid. I beat it in 4 days. I literally took zinc and several natural antivirals. There was not a vax available back then. I spend enough time outside to have enough vitamin D. I was a tougher flu than you are accustomed to I assure you. It was very hard to loosen the conjestion in the lungs by coughing.

    Yandex search dandelion and covid. It worked in lung cell lines in a German study. It will help your vaccine be MORE effective for you.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  147. peterike says:

    Oh dear. Stock up on some Ivermectin Steve, and chill.

    While “cases” are rising, hospitalization levels are nowhere near where they were in prior waves. In other words, maybe these current levels are perfectly normal for respiratory illnesses every year in the past, except now it’s all blown out of proportion.

    Does anyone have a deaths or hospitalization chart for respiratory illnesses of all sorts that goes back ten or 20 years? I feel it might be instructive for the current moment. After all, people have always died of respiratory illnesses. 50,000 deaths in a flu season is perfectly normal. Or at least it was. It will never be normal again because they won’t let it be.

    For the ten thousandth time: take away the panic, and covid-porn reporting and the mask mandates and other restrictions, and you would have no idea anything is even going on. No idea whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  148. J says: • Website

    The Earth Abides. May be we are living apocalyptic times like in George R. Stewart’s 1949 novel. The book tells the story of the fall of civilization from deadly disease and the formation of small family-based isolated communities that survive. They shoot on sight all foreigners. In fact, Iphigenia in Tauris of Euripides also deals with such a xenophobic society. That was the norm in pre-antibiotic, pre-vaccine times.

  149. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:

    There is very bad and very good news here:

    1) The problem is that all the vaccines target antigens on the spike protein, where all significant mutations occur. Soon, if not already, there will be spike proteins that are mutated enough to both cause the vaccinated immune system to think they are the original spike, thereby avoiding full response by the immune system, and at the same time that are able to invade cells uninhibited and do their damage.

    2) New development: “Monoglycosylated spike vaccine is highly effective against COVID-19 variants” – which means Academia Sinica may have hit a grand slam that will be available as a vaccine next year: https://www.genomics.sinica.edu.tw/2015/index.php/en/news/latest-news/660-monoglycosylated-spike-vaccine-is-highly-effective-against-covid-19-variants

    • Replies: @anon
  150. CCR says:

    Steve, life is hard and then you die. Don’t worry about it!

  151. Karl Denninger has the best info and commentary on the ‘net about the virus and vaccines.

    https://market-ticker.org/nad

  152. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    With the sheath on the spike protein removed, all the antigens are accessible to the immune system. (I’m guessing this is what the Novavax and Medigen vaccines also achieve through their nano tech, which is why they are reporting good responses to the variants.)

    – Mr. Research

  153. We didn’t win the war by getting depressed….

  154. wren says:

    Here is what’s going on in India, home of the delta variant:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

    Looks pretty good, and I think they are about 10% fully vaccinated. I believe they are also good at using ivermectin to treat cases, which brings fatality down.

    I believe natural immunity provides MUCH better, longer lasting immunity than that from the vaccines (which appear to need boosters already), and wish that more places were serious about helping people determine if they have had it already. It is likely most do.

    Here is one test, and there are others now too. https://www.t-detect.com/

    I have read of situations where dozens of vaccinated people got (mild) covid, whereas none of the immune folks in the same population who were exposed got it again. Hopefully the vaccinated folks developed natural immunity.

  155. Truth says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m getting depressed about covid.

    Steve-O; you’re going to be a helluvalot more depressed next year, if you took that shot!

  156. @Desiderius

    It will never be resolved. This is the End… and the start of a new beginning.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  157. Dave says:

    What’s worse, leaky vaccines might be causing the virus to evolve in more lethal directions because vaxed people are able to spread deadlier variants. In the absence of vaccines, coronaviruses evolve into common colds because deathly ill people don’t walk around spreading germs.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  158. @Achmed E. Newman

    one more project to make us scared of the hobgoblins and compliant with the Totalitarian plans of the elite

    People who think this way have never met “the elite”. They have no master plan. If anything the elites are fairly empty unhappy people whose value comes from status and wealth. That makes them more afraid of death than non-elites, because they have no roots and no real community. That fear of their own mortality and meaninglessness is what is driving elite behavior, not some master plan to create a socialist dystopia. The elites are for the most part shockingly sincere about many things that commenters here are certain they couldn’t possibly believe.

  159. @Henry Canaday

    If the test being used is unreliable, and the governments and corporations reporting the results and defending the test have been caught lying, exaggerating, and censoring/intimidating people with different evidence or arguments …. How do we know that the number of cases is rising?

  160. Selective timing for comment approval here has gotten pretty obnoxious. At whim, at whim. Gotta make sure you’ve donated with a visible immediately recognizable username if you want your comment to be seen early in the response process. All due respect (and admittedly it’s due), but content here ain’t what it used to be, and same goes for the comment section.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @JMcG
    , @Polemos
  161. It is increasingly obvious that pro-vaxx knuckleheadedness is spreading disease.

    Enjoy your booster shot.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  162. Count on the Dems to use any negative trend as pretext to enforce the 2020 voting protocols for the 2022 midterm elections. In fact such “negative” trends might be totally invented. Expect Pravda to pour on the covid fear porn for the next year, if that’s what it takes.

    How to discern what’s really going on? Look carefully at other countries’ data for comparison. There’s simply no basis for believing anything the US media says on this subject.

  163. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I love the guy who labels Ron a troll.

    • Agree: notsaying
  164. @Peter Akuleyev

    Well as they like to say intent isn’t magic. Sincerity doesn’t buy you much when your subconscious is out of synch with your conscience.

    You’ve got the disease diagnosed but the grandiose master planning is one of the principal effects and always has been for that particular disease.

  165. As one of the principal target of that censorship I don’t think it would help Steve to be oblivious to its nature.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
  166. @Jonathan Mason

    Is this really a disease in which many people can be infected and yet have no symptoms whatsoever and pass it on to other people?

    Yes.

    For whatever reason, the media is extremely reluctant to talk about asymptomatic COVID infectees, but they seem to comprise the majority of all infectees. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the media all wants us to get vaccinated (we can debate why they want that some other time; it’s clear they are working to achieve that goal, irrespective of their motive), and they’re concerned that if people understand that the majority of people who contract COVID-19 will literally experience zero symptoms, there will be less enthusiasm for getting inoculated.

    • Agree: Travis
  167. @Peter Akuleyev

    I never stated it was some Grand Master Plan, Mr. Akuleyev. The plural on “plans” is ambiguous, as most of them just have the same desires and poorly-thought-out ideas that they are unfortunately in a position to help implement. That isn’t to say they don’t talk about all kind of elitist world-domination stuff in the open at the Swiss conferences and such either.

    To me, this Flu Manchu (thank you, Allan Wall!) was a great excuse for both the Big Media and Big Government of all sizes.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter, Old Prude
  168. As far as treatments/preventative measures of course getting in shape and fresh air/sunshine but this guy recommended the flush Niacin (which in the bottle says Nicotinic Acid) so maybe a pack a day habit would be just the thing.

    Seriously my wife and I are loving the flush Niacin just for general health – really helped her headaches and helps me keep up with my boys. Can also say that Ondasetron was a real big help when I was seriously ill.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  169. @Greta Handel

    Should have known – whimmed again.

  170. wren says:

    In a recent British study, David Wyllie and others found no symptomatic re-infections from COVID-19 after following 2800 patients for several months. In fact, there have been no reports of significant numbers of re-infections after acquiring COVID-19 naturally.

    There have also been no studies showing significant numbers of reinfection. Of the 30 million Americans who have had COVID, only a handful of reinfections have been discovered.

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2021/05/27/rand-paul-says-people-natural-covid-immunity-should-skip-vaccine/7468051002/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.epdf

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  171. J1234 says:

    Any thoughts about flying with this latest surge, anyone? I have to fly from the west coast in a few weeks. Hopefully these developments won’t disrupt my travel plans. I still have some N 95 masks, of one sort or another.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  172. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    We do not actually know how many people are infected with SARS-2. We can know how many people show symptoms, of course, and that can be an urgent matter. We saw that last year from China to Italy to New York to California and beyond. But “showing symptoms” is a subset of “infected with SARS-2”.

    We do not know this, because the Polymerase Chain Reaction test is over broad, or if you prefer, over sensitive. The number of cycles, Ct, determines the sensitivity. Given a high enough Ct even viral fragments, not capable of causing infection, can be detected. This is well known within the science world, but not commonly discussed on CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

    The CDC is ordering a discontinuation of the PCR test for COVID-19 detection effective the end of this year, 12 / 31 /21. I guess they want a full year of questionable data. Questionable, you say? Read this.

    https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

    CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.

    CDC is tacitly admitting that the current PCR test cannot reliably tell the difference between an influenza virus and SARS-2. That explains why the rule change has been promulgated in such a low-key fashion.

    The PCR test has been the gold standard for well over a year, to determine who has the Coof. It has provided some of the justification for locking up entire towns. Now CDC quietly admits that it is so inaccurate, it can’t tell the difference between Coof and “Just the flu, bro”.

    Shouldn’t there be a bit more public discussion of this? Questions asked of various officials, starting with Fauci?

    Also, isn’t it about time for “That Would Be Telling” and “HA” to chime in here?

  173. Anon[709] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    An Icelandic friend of mine emailed me that people who have already been infected and cured are getting infected with delta, dying, and then coming back to life and infecting other people. Björk has already died twice and been reanimated. Nobody wants to have anything to do with her. My take: Things are going to get worse before they get better.

    • Replies: @anon
  174. @Peter Akuleyev

    I almost agree. I’m not so sure about the unhappy part of your argument. But in principle, I think you are right. – Btw. – Anders Tegnell is going to church lately, which strikes me as an interesting move.

    • Replies: @utu
  175. @PiltdownMan

    If my previous comment ever leaves moderation purgatory, you’ll see that this chart closely resembles the long-ago Pfizer efficacy study, which openly peddled the product solely on the basis of relative symptomatic relief.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  176. Dumbo says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    So…. Have you met the “elite”? Asking for a friend.

    The fact is that the “elite” term is overused. But the idea that the rich and the powerful do things without any plan whatsoever, or are bumbling morons, does not seem to be reflected by the way things happen. There might not be a “master plan”, but sure as hell there are lots of small Plans A, Plan B, Plan Z, etc, even if not all of them work.

    Otherwise, perhaps you can explain why and how massive immigration and “gay marriage” have been instituted in all Western countries roughly at the same time, with no one ever saying, “wait a minute, perhaps this isn’t such a great idea”.

    As for Covid, we’ll have to wait until Winter (flu season) and see. There’s been so much disinformation on this issue that it’s hard to know anymore.

  177. @Altai

    Australia did not “operate normally” but acted in a brutal, thuggish fashion against “its own” citizens for a prolonged period.

    https://fee.org/articles/australias-violent-enforcement-of-lockdowns-sparks-memories-of-the-eureka-rebellion/

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  178. BB753 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    As expected ( by those not blinded by irrational fear ) vaccines aren’t working. Most new cases are those of vaccinated, dubbed “breakthrough” Covid.
    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/breakthrough-cover-up-unvaccinated-scapegoat-politico-spreads-dangerous-medical-misinfo/

  179. @Desiderius

    Eh Steve gets a lot of runway from the cathedral because they know they can prey on his status insecurity. Jason Richwine is an example of the regimes targeting machine attacking an actual thought criminal. People with those kind of impeccable credentials need to get smashed into the wall. People like Derb and Steve got fired because they wouldn’t play ball organizationally not for their ideas. Nick Fuentes is on the no fly list and banned from social media. What’s the worst that happened to Steve? The cathedral loves 90 percenters like Steve and 95 percenters like Unz. Unz and Steve just get spooked by dick swaggering black dudes. They are dorks so naturally they resent black swagger. Otherwise they are on team Fortune 500 90 percent of the time.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @New Dealer
    , @Clyde
  180. JMcG says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9825881/How-Covid-falling-levelling-region-England.html

    The newspaper of record reports case counts as plummeting in the UK. I hope that helps.

  181. As many here know I am very critical of the anti-vaxxors but I don’t see any reason to be depressed.

    The Delta curve is already starting to peak in some states.

    But I would definitely avoid parties and crowded areas in the next two weeks, even if you are vaccinated. Wear a mask if you have to be in poorly ventilated areas with strangers. Avoid traveling on planes or trains. The Delta is going to rise and fall but won’t take more than a month.

    The Delta is going to rip through the remaining low hanging fruit. Basically people that are unvaccinated and also not avoiding risky situations. My wife knows someone that falls into that category. She got it last week after having a small party. Didn’t want the vaccine because she believed that she had beat it by this point.

    Perhaps they would. But what if the variants are not just evolving to be more infectious (which would be logically expected) but also evolving to be more lethal (which could happen by accident)?

    Viruses are more likely to mutate into but more contagious forms but with same or less lethality.

    An often upspoken benefit of the mRNA vaccines is that they can be updated relatively quickly. The mRNA vaccines actually have the potential to correctly prevent the flu instead of guessing based on previous mutations. In fact there has been talk of a combo shot being possible. So you get a Delta/flu vaccine in one.

  182. BRK says:

    Keep your spirits up Steve. There’s lots of ways to enjoy life, even under lockdowns or having to social distance out of precaution. Go for a walk with the wife, watch a movie, plant a garden, etc. Get back to the simple pleasures in life.

    The biggest white pill (ironically) is that China seems to have gotten a handle on it. It’s hard to trust the numbers out of China but various business leaders have said their production numbers don’t seem to show mass hidden deaths or something along those lines.

    It seems like China has been more successful through Orwellian contact tracing. I don’t think America or the West will be able to make that work politically. But it shows that this virus can be whipped. This is not the Great Filter, it’s not going to end humanity.

    I have great faith that America will find its own solution. People were talking about how it would take years for a vaccine to be developed and America and the West developed it in a matter of months. Never bet against human ingenuity and never bet against America.

  183. HA says:
    @Ron Unz

    In short: Fully vaccinated people test positive and infect others. And few fully vaccinated have gotten sick, even hospitalized.

    Moreover, the vaccinated who DO get hospitalized — as we’ve known since the Israeli rollout — are pretty much in the “need a night or two of supplemental oxygen” category. In other words, even though a few of them die, it’s very few, whereas the unvaccinated who go to the hospital comprise the lion’s share of the deaths and organ failures, etc.

    How is any of that bad news, given that vaccination — at least in the US — is there for anyone who wants it? Yes, we do live amongst anti-vaxxers and people like that are a blight on humanity, but that isn’t exactly news.

    [MORE]

    Moreover, ever since the beginning of this disease, denialists and panickers and everyone in between, have admitted, when push comes to shove, that excess death figures are the ultimate arbiter of what COVID is doing. (though the just-a-flu-bros tried real hard to ignore those excess death figures once they started spiking.) And ever since about March, the excess death toll has been just a slight tad above normal.

    In other words, even more good news. Pretty soon, the delta booster will be available for those who choose it. For those who don’t, it’s a matter of whether the government wants to provide ER services to handle the extra load, or else deal with the hassle of trying to save people who mistrust the government too much to accept saving until it’s too late anyway. That’s just how it goes.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  184. Old Prude says:

    Steve-o, your depression is caused by taking this bug too seriously, and dealing with all the jackass reactions from the morons running things, like mandating face masks and locking old people.

    After eighteen month of this hysteria, I still don’t know anyone who has been hospitalized, much less died from this weak-ass cootie. So how bad can it really be?

    Worse than the flu? OK, but not much worse. Bad enough to avoid large screaming crowds and getting a vaccine? Sure. Bad enough to degrade and dehumanize people by forcing them to wear a diaper on their face all the time. No, f***’in’ way! Bad enough to lock up old people and not allow them out of their rooms, or see the faces of their loved ones? Absolutely no f***ing way!

    If people would take the skirts off their heads and stop running around in a panic like a bunch of prepubescent girls, and just get on with life, (while taking some sensible precautions based on their own damn risks), then maybe our Steve wouldn’t be so depressed and people would get an opportunity to go for a walk by the seashore with their aged parents before they die. That would be nice.

  185. I am on the fence about whether the plague even exists. And nobody I know, including you guys, is qualified to judge whether it does or not. That isn’t to say that I am saying it doesn’t exist. I am saying I don’t know. Which is a very brave and intelligent thing to say. Timid and stupid people will never admit to not knowing.

    Nevertheless, two items:

    A. Did your friend’s mother have the shot? Perhaps the shot sent her to the hospital. Item: this doctor says that the vaccine doesn’t work like they say it does, that the messenger RNA molecules don’t stay in the arm like they say they do, but enter the bloodstream and travel down into the capillaries, where they adhere to the capillary walls, roughening them, causing the blood to form clots. Lots of capillary blood clots is a nasty thing, I understand. I don’t know anybody who can evaluate these claims. But this doctor is on the front-line, and I for one tend to generally think that experience tells.


    B. The CDC is dumping the PCR test. See Craig Paul Roberts. The implication is that they are dumping it because it is faulty. Which I believe a number of very highly qualified people have suggested is the case. So if you’re basing your assessments of increase and decrease of infection on PCR tests, perhaps you might want to take a grain of salt, wait a bit, and re=assess upon the appearance of new information.

  186. Dumbo says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This epidemic is over.

    I wish I could share your optimism, but I remind you that many people also thought in summer 2020 that “it is over”.

    This is exceptional progress.

    Maybe. But, since the vaccine does not stop transmission, what is the logic of vaccinating children from 5-12 years old, who are immune to the disease, and expose them to unnecessary risks?

    “Let’s vaccinate small children so that boomers don’t worry about catching a cold and dying”, is that the logic? Even though, vaccinating children likely will not protect anyone older more than they already are (or not)?

    https://qz.com/2035936/why-covid-vaccine-trials-in-children-are-necessary/

    Anyway, the cynical part of me thinks that they will ramp up the “cases” until they get the authorization to vaccinate smaller children, after all is an important market and all that. After that, perhaps the pandemic will be “allowed to end”.

    But this is one of the cases in which I will be happy to be proven wrong. If things are OK in the Winter, then we can say “it’s over”.

    Perhaps one day we will look back on this as an extraordinary period of mass hysteria.

  187. By-tor says:

    In the middle of summer, people spend more time outdoors. Ultraviolet light and heat both kill flu viruses which is why flu season is in winter when more people are indoors. The current flu ‘outbreak’, if there is one, is amongst those who have the spike protein in their bodies due to being injected with the mRNA ‘vaccines’. New cases of ‘Covid’ from the ‘previously ‘vaccinated’ in Singapore and Israel are 75% and 50% respectively.

    The misused PCR tests have been used as a way to strike fear into people from the outset. The demonic propaganda campaign instructing the public to be injected with an experimental ‘vaccine’ has fooled about 40% of the US adult public. Oddly, the 1,000,000 and counting illegal aliens being relocated into GOP-led States thus far this year by the Biden-Gates Admin. and Pentagon are not being vaccinated.

    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=30925

    https://meaww.com/kary-mullis-nobel-laureate-pcr-test-anthony-fauci-doesnt-know-anything-medicine-lie-tv-covid-19

    Fauci admitted the ‘vaccines’ do not protect:

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/07/26/fauci-admits-covid-vaccines-do-not-protect-yet-universal-vaccination-is-being-mandated/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=fauci_admits_covid_vaccines_do_not_protect_yet_universal_vaccination_is_being_mandated&utm_term=2021-07-26

    • Agree: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  188. Gimeiyo says:

    We’re not in the best case scenario, which would have been that the vaccine results in sterilising immunity and drops transmission down to zero. But we’re in a pretty good place, where the vaccine still seems to be more effective at reducing hospitalisation and death than even the best non-pharmaceutical interventions, and also seems to be more effective than remdesvir, ivermectin, HCQ, respirators, zinc, or whatever other treatments floating around out there. I’m mildly concerned about supposed “long covid,” but it sounds like the cognitive impact scales with the severity of symptoms, so hopefully that means that vaccinated individuals and children have minimal risk.

    It’s not the best of all possible worlds but it’s still better than we could have hoped in the Spring/Summer of last year, when the CDC and American public health experts were constantly bungling things up. And it’s good enough for me.

  189. JimDandy says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Soros sincerely thinks that decriminalizing crime will bring happiness to America’s black urban communities. Got it.

  190. @Desiderius

    What is “flush niacin”? I have heard of “niacin flush,” which is a symptom of niacin overdose, and not something you can take. But no “flush niacin.”

    • Replies: @res
  191. Here’s my happy thought:

    The virus gets worse, and the world convenes a show trial, at which Faucci is hanged via a live broadcast, followed by most members of the WHO.

    Also executed: Nancy Pelosi, mostly just because, although she also said canceling Chinatown parades was racist or something.

    If we are going Twelve Monkeys, I want to chop down all the Tall Trees who run things.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  192. Ben Kurtz says:

    Steve, you are thinking categorically and anecdotally, not statistically. Which is somewhat uncharacteristic of you.

    So here’s a categorical argument: apart from HIV, can you name a single serious viral disease which hosts primarily in humans (i.e. not animal vectored or animal reservoired like the flu) that has evaded our serious attempts at control through vaccination?

    I can’t.

    That’s not to say that the first iteration of the polio vaccine or the smallpox vaccine or anything else was the definitive version. Sometimes it took years to work these things out. But we did. And we managed to maintain normal, healthy, prosperous and free societies while suffering epidemic waves before we had perfected our polio vaccines and the like.

    Covid, with an IFR of 0.x% and a penchant for taking out mainly the superannuated, didn’t and still doesn’t have the inherent virulence to cause a true civilization-level effect. It is not the Black Death, or even the Spanish Flu, by orders of magnitude. Sometimes I ask myself — how many generations back would we have to travel in time to find a version of American society that wouldn’t even have noticed Covid entering circulation; that is, there weren’t too many frail old people clinging to life in nursing homes, and technology wasn’t advanced enough to identify and sequence the novel virus in time to really notice. My best guess is maybe the early 1950s, but almost certainly no further back than the late 1930s. I.e. the Nuclear Age, not the Stone Age.

    Covid might be the straw that breaks the back of our rotten and degenerate modern culture, but that’s our fault, not Covid’s fault. And the solution to the real problem, therefore, lies not in the tip of a vaccine syringe.

    • Agree: Farenheit
  193. Look for the rainbow, Steve!

    Since covid’s arrival the regular flu has been eliminated!

  194. Anon[771] • Disclaimer says:

    Stop working for big pharma. Accept the fact your beloved vaccines that aren’t vaccines have never worked and will never work, and start working for the good guys instead.

  195. utu says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “Anders Tegnell is going to church lately, which strikes me as an interesting move.” Policies he promoted and implemented caused several thousand of preventable deaths. He looks to Norway or Finland and sees what it could have been: Sweden 1,438 Deaths/1M, Finland 176 Deaths/1M, Norway 146 Deaths/1M. He knows he was wrong.

    The Inside Story of How Sweden Botched Its Coronavirus Response
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/22/sweden-coronavirus-covid-response/

    His greatest negative impact however is outside of Sweden as in the early stage of the pandemic Sweden served as a positive exemplar for the proponents of the do-nothing herd immunity approach (Sunetra Gupta of Oxford and John Ioannidis of Stanford). The activisms of herd immunity approach proponents weakened the resolve among the proponents of mitigations strategies like the curve flattening to the point that in Central Europe after early success in the first half of year 2020 threw a towel and w/o saying it went with the de facto Swedish approach. This led to one of the highest in the world per capita excess death rates in Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia. The dichotomy of two approaches (herd immunity vs. curve flattening) completely excluded the virus elimination strategy from discussions and considerations except for NZ, Australia and Taiwan, where they succeed in virus elimination to zero domestic infections and only had occasional outbreaks due to virus importation.

    Libertarian admirers of the do-nothing approach by the semi-socialist Sweden grew disappointed when Sweden began to introduce some restrictions in the second phase of the pandemic (and also because the inconvenient fact that first phase was not the last in Sweden which was supposed to bring the herd immunity), so they shifted their admiring attention to Lukashenko’s Belarus where the strategy was even more better: do-nothing and do not talk about it and fudge data as hard as you can. Eventually the excess deaths for Belarus were estimated and it turned out that Belarus has one of the highest in the world: 4,700 deaths/million.

    Estimation of excess mortality due to COVID-19
    http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths

    The World Mortality Dataset: Tracking excess mortality across countries during the COVID-19 pandemic
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v1.full.pdf

    • Thanks: Grahamsno(G64), HA
    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  196. Steve hasn’t asked a single good or relevant medical question the entire time, so why start now. his usual intellectual acumen is straight out the window here. at least he did finally question herd immunity, after a year of the medical community talking complete bullshit.

    1) it is probably the vaccines which are causing different covid strains to exist. this is called antibody-dependent enhancement.

    2) is herd immunity a thing or not? there was a hell of a lot of talking about something that might not even be a thing here, exactly like the flu. there’s no such thing as herd immunity for the flu.

    3) the data is overwhelmingly conclusive that masks don’t work and have no effect at all. but why? is it more about ‘masks’ than about masks? today, a guy wearing a bandana or medical mask that he’s been wearing every day for 2 months counts as wearing a ‘mask’. is that compromising the putative effect of masks? what if the entire population were forced to wear N95 rated masks or higher, every day, and forced to swap out for a new one, every single day. would masks appear to be effective then?

    4) how did Jon Rahm get infected twice? i thought that wasn’t a thing, or for sure, a vaccinated guy shouldn’t be getting infected twice and kicked out of golf events twice in 2 months. false positives? is PCR test not accurate enough to base policy on? this guy got screwed for total BS as far as i’m concerned.

  197. I’m not depressed about some spurious stats about “cases.” But I am depressed about the mainstream media’s utter lack of skepticism and independent reporting throughout this ordeal. I’m depressed about public officials’ continued power-grabbing and grandstanding — DeBlasio and Cuomo have some fucking nerve lecturing people about vaccines and “public safety” while they let crime run wild.

    Bottom line is you do need to get outside and away from the constant media chanting about Delta Delta Delta. Just don’t get hit in the head with a cinder block by a crazy homeless person.

    I am encouraged to see on my horse-racing channel — my window on the world — that even lower-tier US tracks especially across the midwest are now attracting surprisingly big crowds of people ready to party. (A day at the track by the way is a more social occasion than sitting in a seat at a ballgame.) Australia is concerning, it’s true, as the big venues seem to have big festive crowds one week and lock it all down the next.

  198. @Dumbo

    Maybe. But, since the vaccine does not stop transmission, what is the logic of vaccinating children from 5-12 years old, who are immune to the disease, and expose them to unnecessary risks?

    “Let’s vaccinate small children so that boomers don’t worry about catching a cold and dying”, is that the logic? Even though, vaccinating children likely will not protect anyone older more than they already are (or not)?

    It probably reduces transmission and slightly reduces children’s already tiny chance of dying, but, you’re right, it does seem to fall on the wrong side of the cost/benefit calculation.

  199. 4) AFTER you get symptomatic covid infection, there are several treatments which are moderately effective, including ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and simple vitamin D. and more. you don’t automatically have no treatment options once you get covid. the media and government seem to be deliberately censoring that part. they are 200% focused on you getting a vaccine as the only option. vaccines they would never approve under any other circumstance.

    and most important:
    5) the first generation of RNA vaccines are similar to the first generation of any vaccine. it’s possible any new vaccine is dangerous – and surprise, the covid vaccines were much more dangerous than all other existing, approved vaccines. they were rushed out with no testing. they aren’t as effective as other vaccines – less than 90% effective in many versions – and now, it appears that immunity doesn’t last as long as the designers expected.

    so, how much room is there to improve them? a little? a lot? not much at all? it is normal to have several generations of vaccines, as they are improved in the lab. it is possible biologists and medical people may be able to reduce the dangerous side effects, increase the effectiveness rate, and increase the duration for which they’re effective. we don’t know yet however, if there is long term potential damage from RNA particles.

    will covid vaccines be like flu shots? something old people can get every year? a different version of the flu shot is concocted every year, based on estimates of which variants of flu will be most prevalent that year. covid could be the same. different variants could become prevalent year by year, so different vaccines will have to be developed year by year.

    can covid vaccines and flu shots be combined into the same injection? such that old people can get both at the same time?

  200. Anon[910] • Disclaimer says:

    Thinking inside the box: see questions above

    Thinking outside the box: treatments + inactivated virus vaccines.

    Said vaccines could, just like the flu, incorpórate every year 3-4 of the WHO’s “variants of concern”.

    This is the 21st Century, it’s myopic to only consider one novelty silver bullet to tackle a medical problem. (And since it’s the 21st century, I won’t mention the words “prayer and reparation”.)

  201. Narp says:

    Covid is the excuse, Lockdowns are a tool, Wealth concentration is the goal.
    The motive? Actually, a pretty good one:
    The world has run out of energy (mainly Coal, Oil and Gas), and the next decades will be of worldwide civilization collapse. Elites just want to stay on the top while this happens, to become the feudal lords of the collapsed world, and they’re trying to do this now while they can muster some bullshit, instead of telling everyone what’s going on.

  202. Q: Why is the Amish community largely unaffected by COVID-19?
    A: They don’t have TVs.

    Don’t fact check that … it’s a joke.

    The Potemkin-!Vaxxes focus on replicating a small portion of the virus “code” to trigger your body to produce the spike protein (which itself is cytotoxic and is likely the culprit behind clotting and circulatory system inflammation, including myocarditis in more than a few people) as the principal trigger to set your immune response in motion to generate antibodies. A natural infection includes the full code. A variant is significantly more likely to escape vaxx-induced immune response than a natural-infection-induced response, and worse still, the vaxxes leave one exposed to a greater risk of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement if you are infected by a strain “in the wild.”

    As I told my vaxxed co-workers today, either unvaxxed I will be dead from COVID in a year or two if it’s really as bad as TPTB say, or they will all be dead from the vaxxes in two to five years from factors TPTB aren’t advertising very prominently in the so-called information they give to solicit “informed consent.”

    • Replies: @HA
  203. JimDandy says:
    @Dave

    I don’t hear many people talking about this. Is there any evidence yet that the case fatality rate for unvaccinated people is increasing?

    • Replies: @Dave
  204. Things are fine in my corner of Europe (not Sweden). Zero covid deaths at the moment, no masks, no lockdown, some travel restrictions, a corona passport policy that is rarely enforced, kids are in school (well, it is summer holiday right now, but they’ve been back to normal for some time). Generally I pay as little attention as possible to anything related to covid; the “debates” between the various factions are repetitive and boring. (When did you last hear any argument for or against e.g. lockdowns that you haven’t heard countless times before?) I’d much rather spend my time out in my workshop, doing woodwork.

  205. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    The late, great, celebrated English comedian/humourist/actor, Peter Cook, once dubbed David Frost “The Bubonic Plagiarist”, complaining that Frost had palmed of Cook’s work as his own.

    Way back in ’78, during the Sex Pistols ill fated US tour, and enthusiastic female audience member rushed the stage, and for some reason punched ‘guitarist’ Sid Vicious in the face very hard causing a streaming nosebleed.
    On hearing reports of this incident, Peter Cook quipped that this was “a rare instance of the Fan hitting the Shit”.

    In late ’81 a rat carrying Bubonic Plague was trapped in President Ronald Reagan’s Californian ranch. British radio and TV had a field day obsessing over this incident – the symbolism being obvious.

    Medieval European Plague Doctors wore elaborate hermetically sealed costumes and masks, and gloves, made of leather. The mask, particularly, was elaborate, terminating in a long pointy air filter system. This coincidentally – and weirdly – lent a distinctive avian like appearance to the get-up, which was not the intended demeanor, despite rumors to the contrary.

  206. @J1234

    Those masks will come in handy should you need to sand some sheetrock in flight.

  207. @The Anti-Gnostic

    I didn’t want to mash [LOL], as you and others wouldn’t get it, but that “Rapeatoriums, rapenasiums.” Hahaaa!

    Your 2nd paragraphs gets an Absolutely Agree from me, A-G.

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
  208. Anon[910] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    “ We have a means of ending covid outbreaks, it’s called a travel moratorium and a short harsh lockdown.”

    True. However, that measure would have be simultaneously enforced all around the world to preclude variants, and now the milk is spilt. See here how few people (citizens returning) sparked Delta in Israel.
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310108

    You can’t block travel forever. And with the UN proclaiming migration a right.. 🙄

  209. @JR Ewing

    J.R, Steve has written that he doesn’t have cable, so I was thinking that you’ve just got to get off the internet, whether via the big screen in the closet or the phone. It’s not easy – I know that. Right now is a great example!

  210. @AnonymousNameChange

    content here ain’t what it used to be, and same goes for the comment section.

    There’s not a single website I’ve followed where many or at least some people are always making this comment. Apparently nothing is what it used to be. It’s like finding a band you like on YouTube and the comments are like, “Their first singer was much better, man” or “Too bad they really sold out after the Putrified Carcass album”

    • Replies: @anon
  211. The actual evidence proves that the CoVid is a hoax, that the numbers of “deaths” and “cases” have been wildly inflated, that the survivability of the virus is around 99%, that the virus has yet to be isolated, that the vaccines are evil guesswork. None of that matters to the (((Leftist deep state.))) They WILL use this lie to destroy the White middle class, and as a manufactured crisis that they are using as a lever to establish “emergency” control of all of us that will prove to be permanent.
    We can throw all the evidence in the world at them, and they will simply ignore it and continue to behave as if all their lies are true.
    None of the (((Left’s))) lies, fantasies and false assumptions will be defeated by the actual evidence. The only solution is to force these (((charlatans))) out of power by any means necessary. These evil people are not interested in truth, beauty, honor or knowledge. ALL they care about is power and the destruction of White civilization. That is to say Civilization.

  212. @By-tor

    Fauci admitted the ‘vaccines’ do not protect:

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/07/26/fauci-admits-covid-vaccines-do-not-protect-yet-universal-vaccination-is-being-mandated/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=fauci_admits_covid_vaccines_do_not_protect_yet_universal_vaccination_is_being_mandated&utm_term=2021-07-26

    Paul Roberts is not a medical doctor nor does he have any background in biology or medicine.

    No one has claimed that being vaccinated prevents you from getting sick.

    What it prevents the vast majority of time (Over 99% in the case of Covid) is serious illness or hospitalization.

    You can still get a mild case and pass it to someone else.

    Paul Roberts should really read a primer about viruses and vaccines before blogging about them.

    The fact that the anti-vaxx movement rallies around non-medical doctors speaks volumes. I still have not come across a professional virologist that supports them. But they do have a few “natural doctors” (homeopathy/Chinese medicine) which might as well be an endorsement from alchemists.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Random Anonymous
  213. @Jack Armstrong

    He has probably been, Jack, I’m guessing, when relatives come to visit from afar. I notice that people that tell you “yeah, crime, \$45 parking tickets, huge property taxes, OK, I know, but we have a Major League Baseball stadium and a famous art museum” only go to those places when we visit.

    ;-}

    Anyway, after reading Rob Lee’s great comment, I am even more looking forward to seeing many very cool airplanes and drinking beer with a friend next weekend, OUTSIDE, OMG!

    Thank you, Rob, for the proper spelling:

    .

    I am Achzimandius, blogger of blogs,
    read all my posts, ye pundits, and despair!

  214. @SafeNow

    Wait, there is a frequency that kills covid? Don’t you need cultures and animal models to show that covid is killed by this or that frequency?

    I am not aware of any animal model, and virus culture has become verboten as soon as the “pandemic” “reached” the West. It’s another sign of the progress we’ve made under this crop of scientists.

    • Replies: @anon
  215. chedolf says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Steve needs to get out from behind his computer more, as Achmed Newman suggests.

    I pledge to donate \$100 if Steve promises to mope less and golf more.

  216. vhrm says:

    Posted on this deep in a thread yesterday but it’s quite on-topic here so think it merits mentioning again.
    It is reason to feel good that the surge is not necessarily indicative of vaccine failure or weakness and what’s happening was “to be expected” to some degree with a more infectious strain like delta but just because it’s more infectious, not necessarily because the vaccine works less on it. ​
    Some supporting material at the end.

    As i’m led to understand (and i’m not claiming deep understanding or correctness here):
    There appear to be two mostly independent types of immunity: “systemic immunity” which basically applies to stuff that makes it into your blood or to tissues where a lot of your blood gets to.

    “mucosal immunity”: more localized resistance in mucosal tissues. And this apparently is at least somewhat localized (e.g. you can have resistance in your throat and nose, but not in your stomach and vice-versa).

    Systemic immunity is what you get from the vaccines or serious covid and it protects you from serious covid of the type when the virus starts circulating everywhere. It’s not too effective to getting light / asymptomatic covid which may just infect “surface areas” of your nose and throat.

    “mucosal immunity” you would get from inhaling some covid and it makes the exposed tissues locally more resistant if they inhale covid again at a later date.

    Even without mutations coming into play this model explains why:

    1) vaccinated people can still get covid. The type of anti-bodies / resistance they have apparently doesn’t protect (or considerably less) from that mucosal tissue getting infected AND spreading the infection to others. (though it will more quickly shutdown covid the virus from getting into the blood and spreading)

    2) If you’ve had mild “throat covid”, to coin a term, you’ll be resistant to future exposures of throat covid, but if you get some large does in areas not previously hit that manages to spread you can still be in trouble because the original case didn’t get “deep” enough to elicit a full system response and its attendant “systemic immunity”

    Some sources:

    People are most infectious during the early stages of infection, when the virus is largely restricted to the nasopharyngeal mucosa. Indeed, it’s possible for people to be highly infectious without the virus spreading to other parts of the body or causing severe illness.

    Importantly, the immune system responds differently to mucosal and systemic infections. A systemic immune response, which works across large swathes of the body, is associated with creating one type of antibody, IgG. Immunity generated in the mucosa (also called secretory immunity) is associated with creating another, IgA. As a result, immunisations that focus on generating systemic immunity – which is what injected vaccines do – rarely induce mucosal immunity. This likely applies to all the COVID-19 vaccines currently available.

    https://theconversation.com/covid-19-vaccines-are-probably-less-effective-at-preventing-transmission-than-symptoms-heres-why-156611

    This second one goes into considerably more in depth. i just quoted the most “human readable” piece that frames it.


    Most attention has been given to virus-neutralizing antibodies, especially circulating antibodies (13–15). However, these can only be effective in the prevention of infection or disease if they reach the mucosal surfaces where the virus is present, and it should be noted that circulating IgA, even in polymeric form, is not effectively transported into secretions (16).

    Almost all efforts at vaccine development against COVID-19 focus on systemic injection, which predominantly induces circulatory IgG antibodies and, potentially, cytotoxic T cells (18). These routes are poorly effective at generating mucosal immune responses, which can only be induced by mucosal routes of immunization, including through the NALT in the URT. Mucosal immune responses are partly compartmentalized, as the distribution of the responses depends on the actual route of induction (7, 19).

    In summary, based on the route whereby SARS-CoV-2 infection is acquired and the independence of mucosal and systemic responses, there must be a mucosal immune dimension to COVID-19. Whether it makes a significant contribution to the outcome of SARS-CoV-2 infection, or can be exploited to good effect for diagnostic purposes or for therapy and prophylaxis, can only be determined by carrying out appropriate investigations.
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.611337/full

  217. JMcG says:
    @AnonymousNameChange

    I’d say the content is at its usual high level. The comments section has gotten worse, as I feared it would, since Taki closed comments. I think a lot of those folks are now here.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  218. Art Deco says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The whole narrative is starting to show holes: Fauci’s GOF funding and patents; a typically sloppy Chinese lab; a “95% effective vaccine” that, it turns out, doesn’t suppress the virus at all and must be taken every 6 months; the early use of ventilators as contagion control (grotesque negligence); vaccinating elderly, immuno-compromised people (formerly, we told people over age 65 not to get flu shots); the fiddling with test cycles.

    No clue how you got the idea ventilators were used as contagion control or that elderly people were told not to get flu shots.

    • Replies: @Bill
    , @Mr. Anon
  219. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Hopefully, they mostly still keep you out of the hospital.

    the school marms say “it is to be hoped.”

    one big conspiracy theory question: why aren’t traditional vaccines available in the US? they are available elsewhere. moderna and pfizer and j&j are all that’s available in les etats unis merdeux, and all are vaccine types which have never been tried in humans or animals except experimentally.

    i’m depressed because i was beating the market. but since 3/23/20 i’ve thrown away half my gains on put options.

    will this bull market that started in march 2009 ever end?

    • Replies: @NOTA
    , @The Alarmist
    , @anon
  220. Firstly we have no idea how these supposed “cases” are even identified. There is no single hard number by which they are calculated. And after over a year of lies, obfuscation, suppression, and outright rigging of data by the parties most incentivized, are we to believe anything the “authorities” tell us? No! Not on your damn life. If someone “gets it” then they’re either going to get railroaded further along to their doom or they’re going to find an alternative that works and has worked. Big media, big pharma, big medical, all have no interest in finding a cure only a means to milk the herd. Natural immunity is the best immunity because the shit these evil bastards are pimping is never going to save you

  221. JMcG says:

    Well, I just did a quick stroll through the comments, and now I’m depressed. Hard to imagine what it was like to live in fear of smallpox, or polio, or bubonic plague. Thank God for great mercies.

  222. @Dumbo

    If the idiots at my school district do another bend over and grab your ankles kind of announcement and say kids have to get the shot… then my youngest is out and never going back. Fuck em!

  223. @anon

    No, the reason for the switch is likely more mundane. There are only two manufacturers of tests that combine covid and influenza. One of them is CDC. This way, the CDC people can dial up or down more easily the number of cases.

    There’s also the nice business relationships CDC leaders will be building with the actual manufacturers. Fauci has princelings, I think all his daughters are doctors. What if they find a nice, cushy job which pays are requires as much work as painting does for Hunter?

  224. anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Sailer, there are many in your despicable world who adore you. You speak their language of hate and racism. For some inexplicable reason, Unz has even bestowed upon you a certain pride of place on this portal. Is it pity?

    Overall, you appear to be a pathetic man seeking refuge in white supremacism, while spreading your arms for alms. I am sure there are many who can lay claim to the “glory” of western civilisation, as godless, morally depraved and blood-soaked as it is, but most here, including you, simply do not qualify for this “glory.” What exactly are your accomplishments, except some dreary pieces of prose?

    There should be no peace for racist scoundrels. May you never have it.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  225. And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants.

    Hopefully, they mostly still keep you out of the hospital.

    But what if they don’t?

    We’ve been assuming that we will get to herd immunity one way or another: either the easy way (vaccination) or the hard way (infection).

    But what if the vaccines are only moderately effective against new variants and the virus keeps evolving so that prior infections don’t offer much protection?

    Steve, let your heart not be troubled. This is all per spec.

    Seriously, once the Chinese let this thing out of the bag–and of course our open borders elite couldn’t/wouldn’t immediately react–it was a done deal.

    This Xi virus (SARS-v2) is going to be endemic, a feature of life like the flu.

    Eventually most people will have been exposed–had or been vaxxed–to something similar to the circulating strains. Every year the CDC will make a guess about strain for the flu season. Old, vulnerable, medical, safety conscious, people will get their jab. Sometimes it will be a good guess, sometimes not. Every so often they’ll be a bigger mutation–like the antigen shifts in ’57 (Asian flu) and ’68 (Hong Kong)–that will evade more people’s existing immune response and get more running room.

    Honestly, i thought this was all pretty obvious from last spring. The level of analysis and thought on this thing has been as unimpressive as we get on immigration. (So i guess no surprise.)

    My beef is “faster please!” An Indian buddy from grad school went back to the ‘ohm land and climbed the academic pole there (IIT-Bombay). He was telling me this spring he had about a dozen dead in his big (500+) extended family. Everyone knew Delta was kicking India’s ass, so where’s the Pfizer/Moderna trials with a stabilized Delta spike in the mix?

    This whole deal will knock back a few years life expectancy. Which sucks. But life expectancy’s up over a decade during my life. Having it drop back to what it was in the ’90s is hardly a crisis. Medicine will continue to make progress–including sometime in the future eradicating this completely–and we’ll be healthier and live longer.

    The worse thing going on America right now isn’t any Xi virus stuff, it’s Biden waving in millions of illegals from “shithole countries” and dumping them on deplorables. That’s the real bio-warfare. That’s going to be trashing–dumber, poorer, more chaotic, corrupt and crime ridden–the lives of every American–our “posterity”–down through the ages–when this virus is ancient history–for all the future to come.

  226. @wren

    Can’t have word getting around about any of that “natural” stuff. If it ain’t man made and shot into you then it doesn’t exist as far as these evil lying fuckers who are beating the doom porn drum are concerned.

  227. anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, some passing thoughts to alleviate your anxiety.

    One, spend a little less time in the company of Greg Cochran, a physical wreck who has a legitimate reason for acutely fearing a covid infection. Both of you are normally sensible people who have been driven to apoplexy by a virus that is largely a non-event for people under age 50 and under 30 BMI.

    Two, the death rate for the delta variant is lower than for the original strain, even if the case rate is higher. This may change, but for now that’s what the numbers say.

    Three, stop pushing otherwise healthy young people to get the vax. If grandma is vaccinated, she doesn’t need to worry about contracting a lethal case of covid from her unvaxxed grandchild. That is how vaccines work, right? If not, then maybe we should have a serious discussion about the merits of vaccines, because decades of medical science will have been turned on its head.

    Four, admit that our crumbling low trust society and four years of media lying, Sackler drug death dealing, and deep state sedition are sufficient reasons for normal Americans to distrust the “vaccine science”. Admit that people have good reason to doubt the uptalking, vocal frying declarations of the experts.

    Five, why don’t you take a break from your paranoia and write about stuff that used to be up your alley, such as the science and data which clearly demonstrate that the Megaphone is wrong about vaccinating and masking children?

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html

  228. @Jonathan Mason

    Yes travel lockdowns could be very effective, but full implementation would mean not just closing national borders, but also shutting down on all non-essential travel within Nations.

    So, instead of letting it rip and take 0.3%, mostly older folks with other problems, why not destroy national economies, pushing millions into poverty and triggering tens of thousands of deaths of despair in addition to the 0.3% who are going to die anyway when it eventually comes around.

    OK, Boomer.

    • Agree: acementhead
  229. @Gary

    Count what little time you have left to suffer and die from their lethal toxicity,
    50 BILLION spiked proteins in each jab attacking every organ in your body.
    In mRNA animal trials EVERY ANIMAL DIED

    BULLSHIT.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW

    Your cognitive apparatus seriously lacks a bullshit detector do you think that regulatory authorities would clear a vaccine where during the trial phase ‘EVERY ANIMAL DIED?’ Seriously?

  230. Pixo says:

    In May 2021 the large decline in 2020 births was reported widely. The biggest decline was Dec 2020, ie the first covid cohort.

    Today I wanted updates. The CDC doesn’t have anything from 2021 nationally, but California is updated thru 6/2021.

    The plunge continued to March 2021, then recovered to pre-Covid early 2020 levels April May and June 2021.

    It varies however. The big CDC report in May for 2020 trends showed Asian births dropped much more than other races. That seems to be the case still. Fairly white Orange and San Diego is actually now above pre-Covid birth levels, while very Asian Santa Clara is well below.

    In total, births dropped by 4.7% in 2021 San Diego to June, but 6.5% in Santa Clara and 6.9% in LA.

    It looks like 2021 will be the largest drop in births in recent US history in the 4% range and then maybe recover about 1% in 2022 due to delayed births and a strong economy, and then return to the long term secular declining trend.

  231. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    Guys if Steve is depressed and grim…we are truly f*cked

  232. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    China didn’t order the lockdowns which have destroyed the working class in a dozen countries. Our own disgusting hateful elites did that.

  233. glib says:

    Worry not, Maestro Steve. All pandemics exhaust themselves in due time. Even the 1918 flu, which was 10X as much as this one in deaths per million, had a second bad wave, and that was it. Since we are past the second wave, and a sizable fraction of the population is protected by vaccines, this should be it. It’s science. If there is another lockdown, or three, you may revisit some of your assumptions.

  234. utu says:
    @anon

    New variants lead to more false negatives in the old PCR test. New tests will have assay that reflect the change in the prevalence of new variants. Using matrix test to measure simultaneously flu infection is cost saving measure.

    Genetic Variants of SARS-CoV-2 May Lead to False Negative Results with Molecular Tests for Detection of SARS-CoV-2 – Letter to Clinical Laboratory Staff and Health Care Providers (January 8, 2021)
    https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/letters-health-care-providers/genetic-variants-sars-cov-2-may-lead-false-negative-results-molecular-tests-detection-sars-cov-2

    Accula SARS-Cov-2 Test: The FDA’s analysis, including additional information provided by the manufacturer, Mesa Biotech Inc., indicates that the Accula SARS-Cov-2 Test performance may be impacted when a SARS-CoV-2 virus patient sample having a genetic variant at position 28881 (GGG to AAC) is tested.

    TaqPath COVID-19 Combo Kit: has significantly reduced sensitivity due to certain mutations, including one of the mutations in the recently identified B.1.1.7 variant

    Linea COVID-19 Assay Kit: has significantly reduced sensitivity due to certain mutations, including one of the mutations in the recently identified B.1.1.7 variant.

    The FDA recommends clinical laboratory staff and health care providers who use molecular tests for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 to:

    Be aware that genetic variants of SARS-CoV-2 arise regularly and false negative test results can occur.

    Be aware that tests that use multiple genetic targets to determine a final result are less likely to be impacted by increased prevalence of genetic variants.

    Consider negative results in combination with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.

    Consider repeat testing with a different test (with different genetic targets) if COVID-19 is still suspected after receiving a negative test result.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  235. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Björk has already died twice and been reanimated. Nobody wants to have anything to do with her.

    Meh. Proves nothing! Who wanted to have anything to do with her before?

  236. @Dumbo

    Maybe. But, since the vaccine does not stop transmission, what is the logic of vaccinating children from 5-12 years old, who are immune to the disease, and expose them to unnecessary risks?

    The vaccine stops transmission the vast majority of the time.

    Children are not immune to the disease. They are just far less likely to have serious complications.

    Perhaps one day we will look back on this as an extraordinary period of mass hysteria.

    It wasn’t mass hysteria that took down entire hospitals.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  237. utu says:
    @Dieter Kief

    My comment (#99) to Peter Akuleyev was meant for you.

  238. @utu

    Those excess death articles you posted need to be updated, India as the Americans say hit the ball out of the park or rather into orbit. More than 4 million have perished. Of course it was just waiting to happen in a densely crowded filthy country. That’s why the variant is wreaking havoc across the world anything that can fuck Indians up is very dangerous because everyone there has strong immunity from living in squalor.

    https://cgdev.org/sites/default/files/three-new-estimates-indias-all-cause-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic.pdf

    India lacks an authoritative estimate of the death toll from the COVID-19 pandemic. We report excess mortality estimates from three different data sources from the pandemic’s start through June 2021. First, extrapolation of state-level civil registration from seven states suggests 3.4 million excess deaths. Second, applying international estimates of age-specific infection fatality rates (IFR) to Indian seroprevalence data implies a higher toll of around 4 million. Third, our analysis of the Consumer Pyramid Household Survey, a longitudinal panel of over 800,000 individuals across all states, yields an estimate of 4.9 million excess deaths.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @HA
  239. Bill says:
    @Art Deco

    He’s got it backwards. In years where there is a shortage of vaccine, you can only get it if you are over 65, asthmatic, or other high risk group.

  240. “Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.”

    Can’t help you on that cheering up thing, but can offer something better.

    You’re depressed because you are aware that you don’t enjoy the best of health and you’re worried that your immune system is not robust enough to withstand the onslaught of the virus.

    Before, you had subscribed to the misbelief that the vaccine conferred some sort of immunity. Now that that notion has been punctured, you’re deflated and your faith and hope in the cultural system that nurtured you has taken a hit. What had sustained you now seems to have turned upon you and assails you. You had taken it for granted that the larger system in which you lived would somehow support you, just as Dad had when you opened all those nice presents on Christmas mornings. Now, the plane he designed has stalled and is the midst of an uncontrolled descent. It appears to be headed towards a crash. You’re on board and there’s no escape. What to do?

    You have to turn and face your death squarely. Your Father can’t help you now except in reminding you that he trod this path before you and will be waiting for you on the other side. You will be reunited. All the men in your extended family before you are pulling for you to find your courage, strap on your greaves and helmet, grab your shield and spear and face death defiantly.

    You’ve got to fight this one on your own.

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  241. @AnotherDad

    It’s not just covid knocking down Covid.

    US life expectancy declined from 2015 to 2020, and the primary cause was a morass of drug addiction, suicide, alcohol-related organ failure, and a few other symptoms of decay that didn’t get better during the Covid year of 2020.

    While a 2 year decline in life expectancy may no seem lile a crisis, it is indicative of multiple crises in America, which ought to be visibly apparent to you. But of course you’re living in denial of all the drug addicts and alcoholics stumblinf around everywhere, and the fact that multiple people you’ve known in your life have committed suicide over the last decade.

    That’s the problem with you oppositional defiant types. You just live in denial.

    And it was your small business white Christian deplorable fucks who ordered those illegal aliens. Not Biden. You guys need them to keep your taco stands and your strawberry farms afloat.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    , @TWS
  242. BigTony says:

    Kung flu has zero statistical effect on the entire 40 and under population. That’s the entirety of the reproducing population. Apocalyptic fantasies are just that.

    • Agree: TWS
  243. anon[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    New variants leads to more false negative in the old PCR test.

    The article you cite says that variants may lead to false negatives.

    Could you address the CDC announcement? In particular, this sentence?

    CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.

    It sure does look like the current PCR test cannot readily differentiate between SARS-2 and influenza.

    • Replies: @utu
  244. @Truth

    “Steve-O; you’re going to be a helluvalot more depressed next year, if you took that shot!”

    You mean Sailer will enjoy a….. deep rest?

    Get it? Depressed/deeprest. Heh.

    You one funny brutha, Troofy.

  245. @Greta Handel

    The referenced “previous comment” appears — still only to me — as #7. I’ve another “awaiting moderation” as #12.

    This arbitrary whimming used to be attributed to my anonymity. What’s the excuse now?

    • Replies: @TWS
  246. @Truth

    Just like that arrogant little fool in New York earlier this month who excoriated those who would not be jabbed, and is now dead at 32 precisely because he was jabbed, and twice.

  247. Steve, you are getting played like a piano. Covid is 95% psyop and 5% something not real bad. The vaccines are at least 95% BS as well as maybe being very bad as well. Stay away from them, stay away from the and the true believers therein. You should feel better soon.

  248. NOTA says:
    @Gary

    This is unusually dumb even for an internet comment. If the vaccines did 1% of the harm that covid infection does, they would never have been approved even for emergency use.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  249. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    @JohnPlywood #15

    “It’s just our fate in life, and if we’re going to be perfectly honest, we really deserve this. Just look at the mistakes we made over the 200 years. Covid will wipe the slate clean. This isn’t something to be depressed over. It’s something to look forward to! ”

    Thank you, Prince Phillip, for your forthright exposition of the establishment’s point of view.

  250. @anon

    ‘Also, isn’t it about time for “That Would Be Telling” and “HA” to chime in here?’

    Twat Would Be Shilling went abruptly silent two or three months ago. My theory is that Pfizer or Moderna disemployed him because The Prick is by far the deadliest and most harmful American vaccine [sic] in four generations, so they fear liability from any Unz.com readers harmed aftee they were persuaded to take the clot shot by TWBS’s unceasing lies about how amazingly Safe™ And™ Effective™ the Prick is.

    Yes, Prick manufactures have explicit legal immunity for the harm they’ve done, but they might face liability if it were proven that they employ online shills who don’t reveal their conflict of interest in promoting The Prick. And TWBS is by far the most obvious shill I’ve seen in many, many years reading this site – in lawsuit discovery, his paymasters would be revealed.

    HA is just an unpaid rube who fell for the CoronaHoax like Unz, Sailer, and that boring Russian blogger.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  251. • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @mc23
  252. Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Here is my attempt. File under tarnished silver lining partly around extremely dark, supercell tornado.

    1. If Peak Oil people were right (they have been, though timing is off), when production crashes below some minimum, the world economy collapses.
    2. Since the USD is overrated, our collapse wil be extremely hard.
    3. Ergo, famine, riots, BLM on steroids.
    4. To prevent, stall, or lessen the impact, Covid-19 gives a plausible excuse for reducing the economy.
    5. Followed by even more reductions in population due to vaccine side effects.
    6. The critical issue is food. That is a technical issue that can be managed ahead of time.
    7. Deagle was probably right. We’ll know in a few years.
    8. Forewarned is forearmed. It’s time to make use of that future time orientation.
    9. Thuggies and their ilk will reduce the squishy soft white suburban population, but famine will crush the thuggees – eventually.
    10. All that will be left will be rational, future time orientated, more intelligent than average and resilient peeps.

    I’m assuming iSteve will be one of those.

    • Replies: @TWS
  253. NOTA says:
    @SafeNow

    HEPA air cleaners are pretty cheap. There should be one running full blast in every office and store and classroom.

    Doing stuff outside seems like a big win–eating at a restaurant outside, not packed next to other people, surely decreases your risk of catching covid enormously. Transmission seems to be mostly indoors or outdoors at very close range.

    The main good news is we’re ready for covid in ways we werent before.

    Good masks (N95/KN95) are easy to get now. If you’re getting a good fit, you should not be able to smell smoke from a blown-out candle. There is no reason to settle for a scrap of cloth anymore.

    Covid tests are widely available, including rapid tests you can do at home and read like a pregnancy test. We’ve been using these rapid tests on vacation before we visit old and sickly relatives.

    Everyone has moved to online/curbside sales, so you can reduce your exposure massively by just ordering your groceries/medicine/etc. online and picking them up at the store. Covid doesn’t seem to spread much on surfaces (I’d still worry if a sick person sneezed on my groceries or something). So this lets basically everyone drop their exposure massively.

    Lots of people are working from home and most everyone who can do so is at least set up to work from home. If covid spikes again, we all go back to working remotely.

    School is out and will be till this wave, at least, subsides. (Hopefully) Schools are the hardest thing to reduce exposire for, since kids just don’t seem to do as well with online school and parents of small kids can’t function with them home. (Try working from home while your six year old is in all day online school. It’s a disaster.)

    IIRC, the vaccines are all targeting the spike protein as it was originally isolated early in 2020. I hope we get revised vaccines for current spike proteins, and maybe some other viral proteins so we get a good cellular response, but I expect FDA et al to drag their feet about it for as long as possible.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  254. Mr. Sailer, W. Somerset-Maugham wrote about what you’re feeling:

    https://www.k-state.edu/english/baker/english320/Maugham-AS.htm

    The virus is in Baghdad, the vaccine is in Samarra.

  255. NOTA says:
    @anon

    The more traditional vacines mostly didn’t work very well–China did a killed virus vaccine and it was about 50% effective. Novavax has a subunit vaccine that the FDA will hopefully get aroind to approving sooner or later, but their default speed is glacial and we have more vaccine than we need right now.

  256. @Peter Akuleyev

    It is you who have not met members of the real elite. I have been meeting them my whole life long.
    Up into the 1960s they understood themselves to be part of a larger whole, and were neither indifferent nor hostile to those beneath them in riches, sophistication and influence. Many of them even thought that it was their duty to use something of their riches, both material and spiritual, for the good of the whole.

    Now their concern is for themselves alone. The rest of humanity, even of their own race, is chaff for the burning. I know for a fact that their plan is the creation of a slave population, half human, half machine which will do whatever labour is necessary to keep them in lotos land forever. It is obvious that such a population need not be large – thus the winnowing of the chaff through which we are now living (and during which you vaccinated jokers will soon be dying, in stupendous numbers).

    But don’t worry: Satan hates all that comes from God (which is of course everything), so his minions, once their evil handiwork is done, will soon be joining their master in the eternal pit, the very deepest recesses of which will from then on be their frozen and everlasting abode.

    I would almost volunteer to go there myself, just to be able to gaze upon Soros’s never-endingly agonised visage.

    • Thanks: Morton's toes, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  257. Dumbo says:
    @John Johnson

    Children are not immune to the disease. They are just far less likely to have serious complications.

    No, usually they have ZERO SYMPTOMS, unless they have some immune system problem or disease. Given that all the vaccine does is “reduce serious symptoms”, the vaccine doesn’t seem to do much for them. And given that a small subset of young people appear to develop heart or blood problems after the jab, I don’t see the point of vaccinating children, except for the money, and/or for psychological reasons.

  258. @Thoughts

    It’s a psychosomatic illness

    So thousands of people are currently intubated over a psychosomatic illness?

  259. HA says:
    @Mike Tre

    “Think of how all the lockdown fueled suicides felt.”

    Suicide rates decreased in 2020. Likewise, there’s no sign of increase in the rest of the world.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  260. @Travis

    We should not be vaccinating Alzheimer’s patients at all. It’s better to die of pneumonia than to die because your brain has forgotten how to tell the esophagus to function and I’ve seen both.

    • Replies: @black sea
  261. Travis says:
    @epebble

    The unvaccinated are mostly under the age of 45 and have a very small risk of dying from COVID.During 2020, prior to any vaccinations, 50 million Americans under the age of 45 were infected with COVID (according to the CDC) and only 9,800 people under the age of 45 died from COVID in 2020. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

    The risk of dying from COVID last year for the unvaccinated people under the age of 45 was 1 in 1,000 and we should expect the unvaccinated to fair better this year, as they probably already had COVID last year. The unvaccinated have a much greater risk of being killed in a car accident than dying from COVID.

    • Replies: @epebble
  262. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @anoN

    Please take your meds.

  263. @NOTA

    Doing stuff outside seems like a big win–eating at a restaurant outside, not packed next to other people, surely decreases your risk of catching covid enormously. Transmission seems to be mostly indoors or outdoors at very close range.

    It’s shocking as to how many people aren’t taking that advice. I can’t believe how many stores don’t even open a door when the weather is nice. I also see people in bars when there are seats outside.

    There was a town in Washington state that insisted upon having an indoor community poker game and there were so many infections that the whole town pretty much closed.
    https://www.krem.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/republic-superspreader-event-ferry-county-covid-outbreak/293-08367296-5165-40aa-bcbd-2b823a75dab2

    Republicans that are ignoring the data are making complete asses out of themselves. Trump did this by needlessly having indoor events. Liberals that go too far (masks when running) also seem to be ignoring the data but the consequences are nil when imposed on a personal level.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  264. @RichardTaylor

    The theory goes that there’d be no knowledge (and no worries) about covid without the PCR tests. Hear lots of docs say this. – So: beware of what you wish to know. Knowledge too can overwhelm us. – Just ike everything else on earth, enlightenment too has its shortcomings (its price).
    (For a closer look into this field: Dialectic of Enlightenment by Horkheimer/ Adorno – one of the darkest books ever, hehe. – I at times read in it and -since they are really going way too far in criticizing the enlightenment – feel refreshed and – reassured even… – But this is a rare – öh – hobby. I’m ready to admit that right away…

    • Replies: @NOTA
  265. mc23 says:
    @aNewBanner

    Hear, Hear! Covid , now like the poor will always be with us. Diseases almost always evolve to be less dangerous. There’s no way out but forward.

  266. JimDandy says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Anecdotal stuff seems to be totally legitimized these days when someone is using it instill fear (“Man who mocked vaccine dies of COVID!”) but the reverse is dismissed as, well, anecdotal and anti-science. I KNOW a LOT of people–including a lot of old, sick people, and fat people–and not one of them has died of COVID. I’m going to go ahead and tell myself that that is a good sign.

    • Replies: @Bert
  267. HA says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    “Those excess death articles you posted need to be updated, India as the Americans say hit the ball out of the park or rather into orbit. More than 4 million have perished.”

    It might have something to do with this:

    Six months after India began the world’s largest vaccination drive, it has administered jabs to just over five percent of its population.

    The vaccine is significantly less effective against India’s delta variant, but it still puts a damper on the likelihood of winding up in the morgue.

  268. @HA

    Suicide rates decreased in 2020. Likewise, there’s no sign of increase in the rest of the world.

    Yes but overdoses and drug/alcohol use massively increased.

    Overdoses are often hidden suicides.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @HA
  269. Charlie says:

    I heard of somebody that got sick with COVID – twice. First time was early in the pandemic and was relatively mild, but the second time she got very sick with the South African strain. Apparently she has something she calls muti that knocks back the COVID. Everyone she knows is using the stuff. Her takeaway: “I’m not scared of this disease at all anymore.” Unfortunately for us, there’s no large double-blind placebo controlled trials for this muti so we’re SOL.

    https://odysee.com/@yabba:e/In-Discussion-With-Dr-Jackie-Stone---Full-Interview:5

    • Replies: @Charlie
  270. @The real Buddy Stevenson

    LOL. The masks don’t protect you from getting COVID. Why do people still believe this?

  271. mc23 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Vulture Capitalism and Usury ( not loansharking). Moving to a rentier society is in the works.

    You will own nothing and you’ll be happy, no matter your imaginary gender.

    I can only imagine the joy of those who actually own everything. Actually they’ll still envy those with a pretty wife and happy children.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Anon
  272. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “I’m going to start repeating this a lot: the “vaccines” do not suppress the virus and in fact appear to be applying selection pressure on it. We need to end this failed experiment. ”

    Here are straight facts. Currently authorized vaccines are highly effective at protecting vaccinated people against symptomatic and severe COVID-19. Fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. The recent rise in cases comes down to transmission by young people and other unvaccinated groups along with complacency after our initial successful containment of the virus. No vaccine is 100% effective and, though rare, fully vaccinated people can contract the variant. These cases, known as breakthrough infections, can cause COVID-like symptoms — or no symptoms at all.

    Furthermore…

    https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/myths-about-covid-19-vaccines

  273. Thoughts says:
    @obwandiyag

    Steve won’t approve my hysterical comments because they are top of the page.

    The thing that jumps out at you when you read the comments here is that

    1) Don’t be a hysterical teenage girl (feminization of society)
    2) No regular commentators know anyone who had severe Covid
    3) Go outside, stop listening to the doomsday Media

    My comment that won’t get approved basically is those three facts rolled up into one sentence:

    Covid is a psychosomatic illness caused by media suggestion.

    Any real deaths are being caused by comorbidities or hospital malpractice.

    That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @John Johnson
  274. Anonymous[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry Canaday

    Indeed. The cases vs death stats are very encouraging.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  275. @Old Palo Altan

    I know for a fact that their plan is the creation of a slave population, half human, half machine which will do whatever labour is necessary to keep them in lotos land forever.

    Two ways of life meet here: Your fears match perfectly with the utopias of the techies and their idea of a transhumanism.

    I must – needless to say – admit, that I do beg to differ.

    I like it when you talk about your real experiences with others – of all walks of life. – I’d love to read more about these.

    We spoke half the night yesterday with an athlete and friend, who had been out in the sun and rain all day long, practising yoga and – tennis – – about the Gnosis and – Ludwig Klages, Stanislav Grof (he met Grof in Prague ’78 ff.) Zen and Heidegger etc. (Quirinus Kuhlmann, Johann Fischart (Fischart coined the term “hirnbrünstig – for those who – – – think too much….the Grimm’s put thsi expression in their dictionary, which is online, what you know, I know…and is a miracle, really). – We did not intend to create a synthesis, though.

    But we felt a lot like Achmed E. Newman in comment No. 76 above: This Covid thing should make you move and exercise a bit more and go out and breathe the fresh air. For heaven’s sake!

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  276. barnabus says:

    Steve – the data from UK are fairly encouraging – yes, the new cases for the Delta/Indian variant do go through the roof. However, the lethality per infection – assuming a 12 day delay (best-fit) is 8-10 fold lower compared to the Winter 2020/2021 data. So vaccination obviously works in preventing deaths in the overall population, with fatality numbers nearing moderately severe influenza. With respect to infections – the high point of Rt for delta variant in general population seems to be around 1.3, so much lower than approx 4 at the start of the pandemic.

    Israeli data are similar, though more oscillating, what with a 6-fold smaller population base. Same more or less everywhere in Western Europe. The US data are not as good. Apparently, Americans “forgot” to target their most sensitive folks for vaccination.

  277. @Rob Lee

    Thank you for the excellent, thoughtful comment Mr. lee.

  278. Mr Mox says:

    Steve.

    If you are still following comments on this lengthy subject, I suggest you read this reply from Mike Rowe (of Dirty Jobs fame) to a girl, who found Mike was being irresponsible for working during the pandemic. The reply is from July last year, but in hindsight the numbers Mike quotes from Dr. Michael Osterholm, are remarkable precise.

    [MORE]
    Hi Darlene

    Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.

    On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

    Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he anticipated the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm publicly predicted – in early MArch – that we could conservatively see over 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

    It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

    I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that people have confused “flattening the curve” with “eliminating the virus,” I believe him.

    Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected, conservatively. I’ve accepted those numbers. Unfortunately, millions of others have not. Many people have no sense of where this is headed, and I understand why. They’ve been betrayed by a hysterical media that insists on covering each new reported case as if it were the first case. Every headline today drips with dread, as the next doomed hotspot approaches the next “grim milestone.” And so, for a lot of people, everyday is Groundhogs Day. They’re paralyzed by the rising numbers because the numbers have no context. They don’t know where it will end. But Dr. Osterholm says he does, and I’m persuaded that he’s correct. He might be wrong, and frankly, I hope he is, but either way, he’s presented us with a set of projections based on a logical analysis, and accepting those projections has allowed me to move past denial, anger, bargaining, and depression, and get on with my life with a better understanding of what the risks really are.

    Fact is, we the people can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get evaluate the risk and make our own decisions. Last year in this country, there were six million traffic accidents and 36,000 fatalities. Tragic, for sure. But imagine for a moment if no one had ever died from a car accident. Imagine if this year, America endured six million traffic accidents and 36,000 fatalities…for the first time ever. Now, imagine if these accidents and fatalities – over 16,000 and 90 per day respectively – imagine if they were reported upon like every new incidence of COVID. What would that do to our willingness to drive? For a while, I suspect it would keep us all off the roads, right? I mean, six million accidents out of the blue is a lot to process, and 36,000 deaths is scary – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. It would take us a while to access the risk, before we blindly hopped into our cars again. Eventually though – after getting some context and perspective – we’d be able to evaluate the relative danger of operating a motor vehicle. Then, we could decide for ourselves when to drive, where to drive, and how much to drive. And so we do.

    Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, or downplaying COVID, or pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. Nor am I comparing COVID cases to car accidents – I’m simply comparing the fear of each to the other, and the fear that always accompanies uncertainty. I don’t want to get this disease or give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car car wreck that injures someone else. But I’ve accepted certain things about the pandemic, and now, I’ve gotten used to the risk as I understand it. I take precautions. I get tested as often as I can, and if I can’t physically distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. Likewise, I wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. Yes – I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

    Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.

    Mike

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  279. @obwandiyag

    I’m with you, Pontiac. For all I know this could be a nonexistent virus and a completely manufactured crisis, or it could be very real and more serious than most people imagine and will eventually come to be an extinction risk for humanity. I don’t know.

    But I do know that, as Mateen said, Trump/Biden’s tiny little pointy diddling prick will not be coming anywhere near my bodily surfaces or orifices anytime soon. If anyone wants them to come near theirs, that’s their problem, not mine, in all possible ways.

    And as for Sailer: whether this is all real and very concerning or not at all, try stepping away from the screens at least a bit more than yesterday. Just a lil’ bit. Then do the same thing tomorrow, in an incremental, preferrably but not necessarily exponential fashion.

  280. niceland says:
    @Ron Unz

    Just to follow up, if anyone is interested:
    Statistics here: https://www.covid.is/data
    Checking the data the recent “surge” seems to be topping out. According to our officials this is misleading and caused by lack of testing. They report highest ratio of infections per test so far in the epidemic. Contact tracing teams can’t keep up because infections are coming from all over the country – but not in localized clusters like the experienced before.

    In the past 5 days we have the following covid cases:
    96 not vaccinated
    10 have gotten first jab.
    295 fully vaccinated.

    Most of these cases are showing symptoms, and vaccinated people are causing infections left and right. Our Officials thought “we had beaten covid” and were out of the woods with excellent participation in our vaccination program and are publicly airing their disappointment.

    But perhaps there isn’t reason to dive into severe depression, while the vaccines come up quite short in providing heard immunity and stopping the virus, it remains to be seen how effective they are in protecting people from the disease. I guess we will soon find out since the virus has already penetrated nursing homes and other vulnerable groups.

  281. @NOTA

    “If the vaccines did 1% of the harm that covid infection does, they would never have been approved even for emergency use.”

    This is an unusually ignorant comment. There is over 11,000 confirmed dead Americans via the Prick. Accepting the comically inflated 600,000 killed by Coronasniffles, that means the Prick has done 2% of the harm that covid infection does. And that number will only go higher. The Prick is the deadliest vaccine [sic] of our lifetimes, by far.

  282. @RichardTaylor

    I expected commandeered Fed-Ex Vans.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  283. You can’t get to herd immunity with “leaky” vaccines. Leaky vaccines are worse than no vaccines.

    The medical establishment really cocked this one up.

    A historical example of a leaky vaccine involving chickens:

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715

    My favorite line in this is “they fuck it up”.

    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/331296721

  284. @JohnPlywood

    It’s not just covid knocking down Covid.

    *It’s not just covid knocking down the life expectancy

  285. Corvinus says:
    @James Bowery

    “Sortocracy (sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them) enables Protective Sequestration”

    Not this again.

    I mean, what you propose sounds GREAT on paper. But you never explain how in the world you plan on implementing such grand schemes. Basically, you leave out the details. How do you convince literally hundreds of millions of Americans that they should immediately endear themselves to your “arrangement”?

    Mmm, this is interesting. You advocate “Sortocracy recognizes all States* have legitimate power to control the presence of individuals on their respective territories. This includes exclusion or exile of anyone for any reason whatsoever.”

    Any reason? So, who ultimately makes this decision? How were they put into that position of authority? Is there any recourse the offender can take? What happens if people come to the aid of the offender because they believe there was an injustice? Are those individuals also permanently removed?

    This is also intriguing. You support “If no other State will accept a relocating member, at least one State of Nature must be set aside for such members in which human group selection is suppressed by rules enforcing individual sovereignty, including death penalty and deadly natural duel as nature’s preferred dispute processing of last resort.”

    So, in this State of Nature, is it like banishment to a place where people simply fend for themselves? And how in the world did you come up with this idea that “nature prefers” a “deadly duel” between “sovereigns”? In other words, what literature or philosopher, if any, inspired your line of thinking?

    I honestly want to know more of your thought process here (found below).

    Any sovereign may challenge another sovereign to formal combat for any reason. The following are the conditions for such formal combat:

    All combat shall be one sovereign individual against one sovereign Individual.

    A challenger shall give formal public notice three days prior to combat and a formal public declaration of reasons therefore.

    There shall be up to a one year interval from the time one is challenged to formal combat before one may again be engaged as the challenged. This interval may be shorted by the challenged issuing a formal public declaration of its termination. The challenged may not shield others from the end of combat through the end of this interval.

    Subject to the following provisions, the conditions of formal combat shall be established by a majority vote of all sovereigns of the community who assemble after three days public notice. The intent shall be to give challenger and challenged the equal opportunity they would have In Nature — if no human society existed. Terrain of the combat ground shall be varied and extensive enough to permit strategy and to give the physically weak the chance that Nature gives them. Combatants shall have equal weapons and clothing. Weapons shall be a sword or knife with a blade not to exceed 25 cm (approximately 10 inches) plus a 15 meter (approximately 50 feet) length of strong cordage.

    All previous agreements between challenger and challenged are automatically suspended during the period of formal combat. There shall be no rules within the combat ground. Challenged and challenger shall enter combat ground from opposite sides.

    No one but challenger and challenged shall be within the combat ground.

    No one shall attempt to aid, hinder or observe what happens. It Is intended that only one shall return alive from formal combat.

    When two return alive one shall forever be shielded by the other. The relationship must be announced jointly by them before they are permitted to leave the combat ground. Two are not permitted to return alive if one has been permanently disabled or disfigured by his opponent.

    No sovereign who has an unanswered challenge pending may leave the community, refuse combat, or relinquish one’s sovereignty.

  286. @anon

    I had covid. I beat it in 4 days. I literally took zinc and several natural antivirals.

    I figuratively took zinc, and I beat in in 5 days. Dammit. I should have literally took zinc.

    Sorry, after giving you a hard time about one of my pet peeves, let me ask you something about that licorice as an ACE2 Agonist, Doc. Can we use red Twizzlers? Cause, I’d like to be reassured that a case or two of red Twizzlers can prevent the Flu Manchu.

  287. utu says:
    @anon

    Why don’t you read next sentence:

    Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season.

    Unlike floomers and anti-vaxxers normal people that include CDC and FDA staff are concerned with lowering false negative rate as well as keeping the cost down.

    I wonder why floomers and anti-vaxxers who spent so much time yapping about the high rate of false positives of the PCR test did not try to verify their hypothesis by looking at data. If false positive rate would be as high as to actually dominate the true positive rate the results of tests would be pretty much the same over space and time. But they are not. They widely vary.

    Various states provide daily data of N tested and P positive rate for the whole state and counties. You will notice that P varies with time as well as in space.

    https://forward.ny.gov/percentage-positive-results-county-dashboard

    For example you can see that P was up to 45% in April 2020 and then it dropped to 1 % and then it went up again to 8% and then it dropped again…. Also you can look at P from tests done yesterday in all counties of NYS. P varies from 0% to 7.5% with average of about 2.4% and standard deviation about 1.9%.

    What does make P to vary between 1% and 45% over time of 1.5 year and from 0% to 7.5% over all counties of NYS yesterday? Where is the false positive rate in it?

    It is time to grow up or if you are too old for growing up consider ECT to snap you out from the vicious circle of paranoid thinking and follow it with a hefty shot of prolixin in the arse to keep you in the normal zone for longer. If you meet Paul Craig Roberts you could advice him to do the same.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  288. Steve be happy that it is only covid that is depressing you. Could be people wanting to touch your hair.That is a serious concern worthy of multiple articles and thousands of words. Learn to be thankfull.

  289. @Corvinus

    Actually, Sortocracy is just a variant of the thousand state sovereignty world, or what I like to call a 21st century Westphalia. This is simply where large nation-state break up and the city-state comes back into vogue. I see this as the ONLY peaceful, positive-sum solution to all the world’s political problems. The root cause of all of our problems is people with different world-views and value systems being forced to live in shared polities with each other. This is clearly unsustainable. What is needed is a mechanism where people of common interests are able to politically “decouple” from other people who do not share their common interests.

    Implementing such in the U.S. would be simply as our constitution provides a legal mechanism for such decoupling and decentralization. Article V. Get rid of the federal government and go back to the Articles of Confederation or something similar. Liberals have their states, conservatives have theirs, and the libertarians would get one or two of them as well. Everybody is happy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  290. Dave says:
    @JimDandy

    Take one step back in the chain of causation and ask, are more severe strains of Covid infecting more people than milder strains? (Look at countries with widespread ongoing Covid testing to get an accurate count of mild cases.) If the media hype about the Delta strain is to be believed, the answer is yes.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  291. @Ron Unz

    Steve: “I’m drowning!”
    Ron: “Here, catch this anvil!”

    Once again Unz displays his broken personality. The only question is what exactly is wrong with him?

  292. @anon

    … since 3/23/20 i’ve thrown away half my gains on put options.

    will this bull market that started in march 2009 ever end?

    As Marty Zweig used to say, “Don’t fight the Fed.”

    Max Keiser still believes BTC is going to \$500k.

    Blackstone et al are bullish on American housing.

    Everything is going to the moon … it really is different this time!

    You want some Awesome Sauce for those fries?

    In 2030, you will own nothing, you will rent what you need, and you will be happy … or else.

    Look out for those DARPA drones that fuel themselves on the remains of the carbon-units they have terminated.

  293. @Dieter Kief

    “Your fears match perfectly with the utopias of the techies and their idea of a transhumanism.”

    My dear Dieter, I fear it because it is real.

    A friend of mine who was then a director with the World Economic Forum left them, some twenty years ago, when he heard precisely what I fear being described with relish by one of their speakers at Davos. The man was not warning of hell-on-earth, but relishing, precisely, the “utopia” they are now doing their best to coax into life.

    Refusing to face it makes it no less real, no less dangerous.

    The Grimms? My German relations were intimate with them – to the extent that Herman Grimm was godfather to a first cousin of mine who, a promising young architect just returned from years of study in Rome, felt compelled as the son-in-law of a Prussian general to enlist. He was promptly killed at the first opportunity afforded by that ruinous idiocy.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  294. @Verymuchalive

    This graphic, and the accompanying commentary, are very useful in placing the Covid outbreak in historical context against other outbreaks. The graphic would be more useful still were it to place the hypothetical death counts against the estimated world population during their prevalence, this permitting one to estimate the percentage of fatalities to the total population. [N.B.: this graphic has been periodically updated, the most recent update being within a month. It squares nicely with your figure, Verymuchalive.]

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/

    Get a grip, indeed.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
  295. @Spotted Toad

    Everyone’s immune system is different depending upon your age, evolutionary genetics, life style, environment, job, and what you have been exposed to in your life. All of these things tend be cumulative.

    Anyone like Steve who is worried about this stuff might want to take a nutrient cocktail everyday. Please refer this to your doctor if you are worried about its effects. Unfortunately, most MDs have no clue to this type of stuff:

    1) 1 to 2 grams raw vitamin C
    2) 1000 mg (1g) of Quercetin with Bromalin
    3) zinc 50mg (zinc gluconate or zinc sulfate)
    4) B12 250 mcg
    5) D3 5000 to 15000 i.u (Do not buy this from China; get supplement made in the USA)
    6) NAC 1000mg (1g)
    7) CoQ 10 100g Get the good stuff (Qnol)
    8) Turmeric with Bioperine 2000 mg (2g)

    If you have allergies make sure to take a generic Claritin and/or Flonase because allergies create histamines in your system and many lower your immune response to other things. NAC is good because it will clear up “junk” in bronchial tubes and reduce flem.

    I know many people in scientific and medical field who take this daily.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  296. anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    After a year of this mess, why are we not requiring anyone crossing the border to quarantine for 40 days?

    That would be racist. Never mind the airports, look at the lower Rio Grande and the desert of Arizona. Thousands of illegals crossing the southern border every week is Who We Are.

    Testing them for SARS-2 would also be racist. That’s why they are herded onto buses and rolled out to South Dakota, or herded onto airplanes and flown to Philadelphia.

    In another year the US will have added 1 million New Americans, with no ID, no job, no hablar, but plenty of US gov monetary support. 1 million future voters (absentee mail-in, of course).

  297. Mike1 says:
    @Altai

    Truly insane comment. Half of Australia is under draconian lockdowns and the country has turned into a prison colony again. It is almost impossible to leave. They have empty passenger planes flying in.

    New Zealand has hospitals that are over-loaded with a disease that sounds suspiciously like covid. Its not a stretch to imagine NZ lying about covid as they have actual Chinese spies as government MPs (“conservative” MPs no less!).

    Both of these places are cautionary tales.

  298. Steve, you should move away from that toxic State.

  299. Nico says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is difficult to know what to believe.

    If you are comfortable enough with basic statistics, molecular biology and the nuts and bolts of the scientific method, and IF you have enough time and motivation to look at the studies yourself, it isn’t too hard. Thing is, the vast majority of the population is missing one of those two qualities, and almost everyone in the press, Silicon Valley and government is definitely missing both. So rather than “trust the science,” people are left to “trust the scientists,” who actually aren’t wrong about everything, but when they’re claiming that the need for BLM insurrections outweighs the need to stop the spread of COVID-19 (although curiously the need to socialize and make a living doesn’t), the majority of people who don’t quite get how to evaluate their scientific work understandably don’t want to trust them. What we’re left with is a lot of partially or even mostly true statements, which in practical terms for applications such as, say, fighting a quick-spreading pandemic, can be even more dangerous than totally false ones.

    The vaccines are impressive work but they are still experimental technology. And as Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA vaccination technique, has argued, the general public needs to make a decision to take such offerings based on informed consent, and the pirouettes in the press have effectively removed information and therefore informed consent.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  300. HA says:
    @The Alarmist

    Q: Why is the Amish community largely unaffected by COVID-19?
    A: They don’t have TVs.

    Don’t fact check that … it’s a joke.

    I went ahead and fact checked anyway, and it turns out it isn’t true (apart from the Amish not having TV’s) — in the case of Ohio, the second wave of COVID made the overall COVID death toll among the Amish look a lot like what we saw in the rest of America, judging by the nationwide excess death numbers.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  301. @Thoughts

    So … this comment didn’t appear until after 248 others had cleared moderation. Now, it’s stuck up at the top of the thread, with its 27 peers dribbling in here and there. They can be discerned by color if a reader wants to spend the time, but any comprehensible discussion has once again been made much more difficult.

    WHY ARE ONLY SOME COMMENTS WHIMMED, AND FOR VARIOUS PERIODS OF TIME?

  302. Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    The great eighteenth century warrior-king, Frederick the Great of Prussia, was fighting the Austrians at Kolin, near Prague, in 1757 during the drawn-out conflict between the major European powers that we call The Seven Years War. The conflict had erupted in North America in what is known as the French and Indian War, which had broken out in 1754 as France and Britain squabbled over their colonial claims to the continent. It spread to Europe in 1756 and came to involve every major European power. Other colonial interests of the main protagonists led to fighting in India and in West Africa, which is why Winston Churchill referred to the Seven Years War as the first ‘world war.’

    Frederick, unusually, lost the battle. At one point he goaded his elite but apparently battle-shy force of guards into action with the words, ‘You rascals, do you want to live forever?’

    It is clear that Frederick did not mean, in the old, classical sense, ‘Let us die a glorious death and become immortal’: the translation from the German (Ihr Racker, wollt ihr ewig leben?), is ‘You rascals, would you live eternally?’ That is to say, his rallying call was the remarkably honest, but still inspiring (in a gladiatorial sort of way): ‘We’ve all got to die someday – what’s wrong with today, you slackers?’

  303. anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact

    “Too bad they really sold out after the Putrified Carcass album”

    Dude! Putrified Carcass was, like, totally the bestest!

  304. @Thoughts

    Your wife is probably among the population that is naturally immune.

    I was exposed multiple times during the first wave (had to get tests to return to work and took an antibody test out of curiosity to see if I’d been asymptomatic-nope!), traveled widely, went to bars/restaurants and took no real precautions aside from wearing a mask when legally required. I did not catch it, neither did anyone on my Dad’s side of the family. Yet my Mom and virtually all of her relatives came down with it, some experienced very nasty cases. My Dad didn’t get sick or test positive despite being in the same house as my Mom and my Mom taking a whole month to recover.

    I think there is something odd going on with why some people are apparently genetically very susceptible to COVID and a substantial proportion of others aren’t. Makes the real origin of the virus more suspicious.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @Cato
  305. NOTA says:
    @Dieter Kief

    We would have noticed the mass die-off at nursing homes and the ICUs full of people dying of pneumonia without RT-PCR tests.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  306. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    Wait, there is a frequency that kills covid?

    Multiple frequencies of UV light will kill virii.

    UV-C, a wavelength of 222 nanometers, has been shown to do so without harming humans. However there is some dispute. Probably a lot of the UV lights on sale via the interwebs are not very efficient.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-67211-2

  307. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    will this bull market that started in march 2009 ever end?

    Don’t fight the Fed.

    “I fought the Fed, and the Fed won,
    I fought the Fed and the Fed won”

  308. @Thoughts

    All Hail Grandfather Nurgle!

  309. @AnotherDad

    It’s quite remarkable just how people cling onto what are increasingly falsified beliefs .

    Despite this:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects

    The branch covidians believe in the Mask (I can’t figure out of they really do).

    I liked a little one liner from a guy who was a health and safety inspector for a big manufacturer he simply pointed out that he would close down any operation using the common masks if they were exposed to asbestos fibers two hundred times the size of the WuFlu.

  310. Jay Fink says:

    I read (on the Automatic Earth blog) that the Delta Variant is no longer a problem in India despite (or because of ?) a vaccination rate of only 3%. It is spreading fastest in highly vaccinated countries.

  311. TWS says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Winning converts to socialism one pithy post at a time. Keep up the good work.

  312. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Variants came from weird mutations abroad, not the vaccines. First person I know who caught the Delta variant was a border patrol officer in TX in his mid 30s. He spent a few days in the hospital receiving supplemental oxygen despite being relatively healthy.

  313. TWS says:
    @Greta Handel

    Unz and Steve have it in for you.

  314. George says:
    @Snej

    “At what point does the world start getting pissed at the CCP and hold them accountable?”

    Certainly a failure of the Chinese regulators, but the whole “gain of function” thing appears to have been financed by one Robert Fauci through something called the Eco-Health Alliance.

  315. Kyle says:

    Last time you posted about covid you said something to the effect of “knuckleheads refusing the vaccine are getting themselves killed.” That was true but if you looked at the data at the time of that statement you would have also seen that not all deaths were unvaccinated people. In fact a significant fraction of them were vaccinated. Not huge, but growing. Approaching the figures of fully vaccinated people dying in countries which have higher rates of vaccination than america does. Israel, the uk, etc. Logically to grow as the percentage of fully vaccinated Americans tics upwards. Has this finally put the fear of god into the communists & the hedonists?
    Maybe this is just going to kill who it’s going to kill. Just knock it off with the silly masks & social distancing & lockdowns, and let the rest of us live our lives.

  316. TWS says:
    @James Speaks

    Steve is living on the slope of Vesuvius and he’s worried about the kung-flu?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  317. https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-conservative-case-for-cyberbullying-americas-generals/

    This article mentions military COVID policy. Speaks to some of the issues this thread has elided as far as I can tell.

  318. @Corvinus

    LOL. If you’re not as elderly or comorbid as you are with your Ashkenazi mutational load, the coronairus is the flu. And the “vaccine” is about as effective as the flu vaccine, i.e., a coin toss.

    I suggest you start lifting and tanning, Coronavirus. Otherwise, good bye and good riddance. We all have to die some time.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  319. Not Raul says:

    But what if the vaccines are only moderately effective against new variants and the virus keeps evolving so that prior infections don’t offer much protection?

    It could be like the flu, where there’s a new shot every year. That wouldn’t be the end of the World.

    It would still mean tens of thousands of fatalities every year in the USA; but it wouldn’t be as bad as the last 16 months.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  320. Welp, welcome back to the club again!

  321. @Mark G.

    Additionally, acceptance of hydroxychlorquine and ivermectin as effective treatments for Covid would imperil the Emergency Use Authorizations for the experimental mRNA vaccines, at least for widespread usage, and Big Pharma (in cahoots with Big Gov lusting after societal disruption so they could impose draconian controls over the citizenry worldwide…) wouldn’t like that, now would they?

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  322. @Thoughts

    Ron, you still haven’t gotten us the “Bozo” button.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  323. Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    The virus can’t be any sort of problem, or Biden wouldn’t be waving hundreds of thousands of migrants into the US, and then transporting them all over the country.

    • LOL: Redman
    • Replies: @NOTA
  324. Wall St in this case meaning Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, et al. An effective therapeutic if cheap has an undeniable gauntlet to run to make it to public use. We cannot afford to be naïve about this.

  325. NOTA says:
    @AnotherDad

    What if he’s just inept?

  326. @anonymous

    Now that’s not going to cheer him up. 🙁

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  327. George says:
    @Anon

    Get mad at china for causing this.

    Fauci says it’s ‘negligent’ not to fund research at Wuhan lab, suggests collaboration with China continue

    https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-says-negligent-not-fund-182400230.html

    Pentagon gave millions to EcoHealth Alliance for weapons research program

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/pentagon-gave-millions-to-ecohealth-alliance-for-wuhan-lab/

  328. Corvinus says:
    @Kirt

    “Masking and (anti-) social distancing are especially evil because they physically condition us to treat our fellow humans with fear and loathing.”

    More like masking and social distancing are humane because it demonstrates to their brethren that we are concerned with their well-being.

    “Avoid or get around the regulations as much as possible. A more social and less distanced life will be one with more happiness and less depression.”

    In the short term, sure. In the long term, you’ll be in a pine box.

    https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2021/06/03/anti-vax-florida-pastor-who-said-covid-19-was-gods-punishment-hospitalized-with-covid-19

    That, or the gummint who is watching your every move will kidnap you for one of their Deep State scientific projects. Run for cover whenever you see Ford E-Series white vans in your neck of the woods. Stay safe!

    • Replies: @Kirt
  329. Anonymous[380] • Disclaimer says:

    Hi Steve, I’ve been busy with RL in the last year or so, I haven’t commented much but wish to cheer you up. I’m in the category of people who are/were for the anti-transmission techniques which have been highly effective in ANZ at reducing deaths and maintaining an economy, though understood it was only a stop-gap once effective vaccines came online. We have also had vastly reduced rates of immigration, making it a win-win-win (and maybe this is why there has been so much agit-prop pushing anti-vaxx).

    But what if the vaccines are only moderately effective against new variants and the virus keeps evolving so that prior infections don’t offer much protection?

    I think you’ve got to look at it as we’ve just had what is basically a WWIII in terms of anti-virus technological industrial complex development. There is a huge wheel of R&D momentum that is tracking this, understanding it, developing counters to it. So if there are boosters, new/modified vaccines offering upgrades to new variants etc. or stacking of various vaccines, vaccination will become cheaper and more effective over time. Unfortunately with vaccination not mandated, there will be a pool of non-vaccinated people for the virus to transmit through more effectively. But I suspect we are with this now, there will likely always be reservoirs of virus variants. (The next time this happens with an actual new pathogen, the appropriate world response will be to suspend travel to the originating country, lockdowns and track and trace before the genie gets out of the bottle.)

    Then the question would be whether people who survived early variants would keep surviving reinfection every few years?

    Good question. I think best get vaccinated instead. That’s what I’ve done.

    Perhaps they would. But what if the variants are not just evolving to be more infectious (which would be logically expected) but also evolving to be more lethal (which could happen by accident)?

    My gut feeling is that there has been so much money sunk into defeating this virus that it will get harder and harder for this virus to make a go of it.

    If they did, then we would appear to be headed toward Twelve Monkeys time, which would be bad.

    Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    On the bright side, such a result would lead to more immigration restriction potentially. But I think it’s low probability that more lethal variants proliferate AND there is no appropriate vaccine to use.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  330. donut says:
    @dearieme

    That’s not the impression I get from reading the comments .

  331. @Old Palo Altan

    I disagree.

    The three most salient examples of people who say things that I can understand (a lot of them are just Star Trek nerds spewing nonsense-buzz) are Kurzweil, Yudkowsky, and Thiel.

    Kurzweil eats a pound and a half of chemical supplements per day. There is hardly room in his stomach to put a banana.

    Yudkowsky advertises success with a shangri-la diet modified. He lost a lot of weight by doubling the recipe to starting every day with two full tablespoons of olive oil. He could get positively jacked if he would start every day with two full tablespoons of dog shit.

    Thiel consumes teenagers’ blood. Ask any surgeon about this. Blood is as bio-hazardous as feces.

    These are the thought leaders. Transhumanism is absurd. If you want to be a superman the way to do it is very laborious. Do a lot of physical training. Read a bunch of substantial books. Do not follow people who are absurd.

    Do you remember the Age Aquarius? Did you know that after a few consecutive bad trips McKenna secretly stopped taking DMT and psilocybin altogether years before all the while he continued to promote them? He kept up with cannibis by the pound though.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  332. Steve,
    You make fun of “Nietzschean bodybuilders” but your joking is based on false ideas about lifestyle that derive from your elitist proclivities. You don’t need to wear sunglasses and drive a sportscar to follow the line of lifestyle advice typified by PD Mangan: sun, steak, and steel.

    That triad is both literal and figurative. Get out in the sun, but also go out and enjoy life and nature.

    One of the benefits of that lifestyle is increased sense of well-being and confidence. You can lose weight by daily low-intensity activity like walking, but you don’t get the psychological benefits of higher-intensity activity.

    Personally, I don’t understand people who look down on intensive exercise, so I’m not sure how to talk people out of the kind of visceral disdain revealed by your joking. Maybe I can just a recommend a kids book that has a very apropos message…

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  333. @AnotherDad

    One man’s bozo is another man’s thought-freedom-fighter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  334. JMcG says:
    @Snej

    Viruses don’t have goals.

  335. @HA

    Yeah, the joke has been fact-checked by no shortage of humourless drones … thanks for playing.

    • Replies: @HA
  336. Feel better Steve, lay off the tranny and black crime posts for awhile, I can’t imagine having to moderate those comments to be uplifting

  337. Perhaps they would. But what if the variants are not just evolving to be more infectious (which would be logically expected) but also evolving to be more lethal (which could happen by accident)?

    Stop. Take a deep breath. Look around the room you are in.

    We can safely guess there are half a billion viruses – breeds thereof, that is – in the room with you right now (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/factors-allow-viruses-infect-humans-coronavirus). How many are evolving to become more lethal? Why would they do that?

    Not gonna be Twelve Monkeys. There’s no reason why it should be. Meanwhile on the same topic on this same site Paul Craig Roberts is over there discrediting himself and punctuating his self-disavowal with comments turned off: https://www.unz.com/proberts/is-the-survivability-of-covid-vaccinated-societies-at-risk/

  338. Ragno says:

    Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Steve, considering 280 people got there ahead of me, I’m not even gonna try. Besides, I’m too mega-bummed by Biden’s DOJ giving Granny-Killer #1 Andrew Cuomo the very best kind of full walk – the kind where you never have to live down exonerating a mass murderer by refusing to hold any kind of an inquiry at all.

    If that doesn’t cure you forever of kidding yourself that this is America, yada yada liberty and freedom, and we don’t make our serial killers useful by having them ply their trade as party functionaries. Yeah; sure we don’t.

    You know what I thought last year? – only I never said it out loud because it was so caustically paranoid it might give political cynicism a bad name? I thought Cuomo made sure the national party would owe him one by sweeping thousands of old white people – the most predictably-Republican of voter demographics – right off the game-board in one fell swoop. A man kills 15,000 geriatrics (who’d only drain campaign resources from uberleftist candidates unlikely to win their votes anyway) the éminences grises of the Evil Party are going to highlight his name in yellow Magic Marker – “I like the cut of this fellow’s jib” – when the time comes to decide who’s going to get fortified into the Oval Office. (That they decided against him, while at the dizzying height of his cult of personality, just goes to show that they considered all those dead grannies, and found them a liability too difficult to finesse. Burying a laptop is one thing – getting past radioactive headlines is another thing entirely, no matter how many talk show poohbahs sing your praises .)

    That he somehow had enough juice left to compel Biden’s people to fix the case for him only makes what I was hoping was just a paranoid-schizophrenic episode a lead-pipe cinch. He was (ahem) killing two birds with one stone last year.

    And you think you need cheering up?

  339. V. Hickel says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    there are thousands pouring across the border every day. they are not being tested or vaccinated. the government wants this to continue and worsen.

  340. Charlie says:
    @Charlie

    I heard of somebody that got sick with COVID – twice. First time was early in the pandemic and was relatively mild, but the second time she got very sick with the South African strain. Apparently she has something she calls muti that knocks back the COVID. Everyone she knows is using the stuff. Her takeaway: “I’m not scared of this disease at all anymore.” Unfortunately for us, there’s no large double-blind placebo controlled trials for this muti so we’re SOL.

    Oops, I said we’re SOL. I have my muti, I’m not scared, I’m good. I should have said: YOU ARE SOL.

    Good luck with that clot-shot!

  341. @Altai

    We have a means of ending covid outbreaks, it’s called a travel moratorium and a short harsh lockdown. Look at New Zealand.

    You do not want this, believe me.

    Hong Kong is in the same situation as Australia and NZ, or perhaps an even more extreme version of it. We’ve had almost no cases for months, but the hysteria for absolute ‘zero cases’ purity shows no signs of abating. We’re living a half-life, required by law to wear masks all the time, everywhere public, even outdoors, even when it’s brutally, dangerously hot like now at mid-summer. Restaurants are still restricted, churches can only seat a limited number, and so on. It’s not full lockdown, but it’s also not normality by any stretch of the imagination.

    HK’s Fauci-equivalents are on the media daily, preaching doom and damnation should even one case be discovered. Last month, when it appeared there might a local case that couldn’t be traced to overseas (I wish I were making this up) the health officials descended on the household of said unclean person, and even tested (I really, really wish I were making this up) the household pet — a chinchilla. How did they even do that? An itsy-bitsy throat swab? A tiny Q-tip up his rodentine anus?

    Ironically — although it makes sense if you think about it — there is a bug-eyed, spittle-flecked rage to discover fresh cases. If a ‘case’ is identified, the health officials here will descend en masse in full PPE to ‘ambush’ the building in which the infected person was living, meaning the building is effectively turned into a prison, with no one released until every single resident has undergone compulsory testing. They’ve even starting ambush-testing the residential buildings of people who left HK to go overseas, but then returned within 21 days and were discovered upon re-entry to have COVID — which obviously they caught overseas. But that simple explanation cannot suffice — they might have caught it in their building, incubated it for 21 days while they traveled, and then tested positive upon their return, so it could be a ‘local’ infection, so thousands of people must have their lives disrupted. It’s absolute insanity.

    Hong Kong is also back to gradually cutting off more and more travel options. No passenger flights can arrive from one set of ‘super dangerous’ countries, including the UK. People trying to get back to HK from those countries have to spend three solid weeks in a third country first, then come back to HK only to undergo compulsory hotel quarantine in addition to their period of exile. The latest rumor is that the USA will soon be placed on that list as well.

    The most depressing thing is that there is no end game here whatsoever. If you really advocate a travel ban so that your homeland can achieve ‘purity’, you’ll end up where we are. And you can’t say that it’s just a Chinese thing — Australia and NZ are in the same boat. It’s human nature.

  342. Redman says:
    @Spotted Toad

    Sweden had its 8th lowest death rate in 21 years. And they did next to nothing in 2020. Were there excess deaths? Some, but not a lot.

    WTF is going on here. Politics friends. Politics.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
  343. Art Deco says:
    @Dumbo

    Perhaps the concept of “herd immunity” is mistaken? Millions of people have the common cold (caused by coronaviruses) every winter, and we have not developed “herd immunity”. This is an article from 2017 (pre-Covid) about the rapid changes in coronaviruses:

    There are about 120-odd cold viruses. Some rhinoviruses, some coronaviruses.

  344. Here’s an encouraging quotation I read this morning. It’s from Towers in the Mist, a novel by the somewhat-forgotten Elizabeth Goudge, whom I might describe as a kind of 20th-century Trollope.

    Towers in the Mist is set in the early Elizabethan period, as England emerged from the reign of Bloody Mary. In response, Goudge avers:

    But every horror and stupidity has its ending and peace comes back.

    This too shall pass.

  345. @Matt Buckalew

    Steve is a nerd not a dork. The two are nearly opposites as we’ve discovered to our peril in the last few years. We’re at the mercy of nerds. It will take men like Steve to bring them back onside.

  346. Ragno says:

    PS: as for COVID’s surprisingly-lethal second season….well, I see it like this.

    Let’s say Ron Unz is half-right on the wu-flu’s origins….and Jim Kunstler is correct about the other half.

    Why would Fauci’s NIH collaborate with/fund the Wuhan labs specifically to fine-tune a respiratory virus, gain-o’-functioned to leapfrog up the ladder of lethality, unless the whole point was to give birth to the ultimate weapon of biological warfare? A virus that, once loosed, would regularly recombine at significantly higher lethality – like a breed of rat that develops total immunity to whichever poison you use on them within a single generation.

    Why else would they bother in the first place? – altruistic motives? But we already know how “to serve man” ends up: it’s a cookbook!

    But look at the bright side: you have one last opportunity to hug your parents, your wife and kids, your dearest friends – one last chance to do good and be kind to the people who mean something to you….. even if it’s strangers. And maybe contemplate a brilliant sunset, or inspirational sunrise, before the big adios.

  347. @Anon

    Now the question is, will the vaccine keep you out of the hospital and keep you alive if delta gets you?

    Yes.

  348. Have you thought about taking up drinking as a pastime?

    • LOL: Lurker
  349. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    No clue how you got the idea ventilators were used as contagion control

    Because a number of medical personnel who were treating COVID patients said that’s what their hospitals were doing – putting patients on the vent (who perhaps did not need to be on the vent) just to contain their exhalation.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  350. @PiltdownMan

    In addition, our doctors here in Singapore found ivermectin to be ineffective.

    Who are you gonna trust with regards to data, Singapore or Indonesia, India etc?

    *sniggers*

    Rich Indonesians (and other Southeast Asians) come to Singapore (or used to) for their medical treatments. Our level of competency is so far beyond theirs that our non-doctor medical staff probably know more than their doctors (my wife is a Sg-trained pharmacist, and she lambasts the doctors in her native Philippines all the time).

    Rates of pre-existing conditions is a major factor in the severity of covid-19. A country with low obesity and diabetes rates will have correspondingly lower ICU/fatality cases. Malaysia, for example, is suffering from high obesity, high diabetic, and low vaccination rates, and their healthcare system is collapsing.

    On an individual level, do intermittent fasting, cut back on carbs, and exercise. Even if you get hit with covid, it won’t be a big deal if you’re in shape.

  351. dimples says:
    @John Johnson

    “The fact that the anti-vaxx movement rallies around non-medical doctors speaks volumes. I still have not come across a professional virologist that supports them. But they do have a few “natural doctors” (homeopathy/Chinese medicine) which might as well be an endorsement from alchemists.”

    That’s not the case. See https://covid19criticalcare.com

    They’re all highly qualified doctors there, just not doctors brainwashed by Big Pharma.

  352. @Travis

    Your own numbers would give 458k+ not 358k. You said 2.9m yourself so you’re doing it wrong.

  353. Mr. Anon says:

    If they did, then we would appear to be headed toward Twelve Monkeys time, which would be bad.

    We are, but not in the way you imagine:

    James Cole : So now it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/characters/nm0000246

  354. Mike Tre says:
    @peterike

    “It will never be normal again because they won’t let it be. ”

    This was predicted by myself and some others last year. It’s a power grab. TPTB were able to convince several billion people within a span of weeks that they all had to wear masks and stay home. And the people did, out of fear and ignorance.

    Why would TPTB ever give up that kind of power? When have they ever willingly given up power?

    This bullshit “delta varient” supplies the justification for endless social control. Next year it’ll be the beta variant, then the anal variant, the tranny variant, and so on, year after year.

  355. @HA

    We both know we’re both going to be alive and well next year. Just like we both knew it over a year ago when this overreaction started!

    Why are you guys so obsessed with making everyone live like shut-ins? Is it to spare the feelings of old queers with immune problems who are the ones who should be careful?

    • Replies: @HA
  356. @The real Buddy Stevenson

    The mRNA vax is untested for the long term. We don’t know what it will do – lymphomas, autoimmune problems.

    You overlook the fact that the mRNA vax may have unforeseen benefits.

    As a Gulf War vet, I can recall the hysteria about depleted uranium (DU). It was all horse-hockey.

    As a tank gunner, I had more exposure than most. We used to rub our coffee mugs on the 120mm DU rounds – heat the mug via a small fissile heat reaction. I tell ya, hot coffee is a treat on a desert morning!

    But get this! Post war testing by the VA showed no side-effects other than a concentration of DU in my skull tissue. But because of that, I don’t have to wear a bike helmet. Ever! WIN WIN!

    You should get the vaccine. You may gain the superpower of not having to wear panties inside your boxers for mental stability.

  357. Anyway, if you can cheer me up, I’d appreciate it.

    Check out the sweatshirt I bought yesterday at UFO Days. 2020’s was canceled, but they decided to have a laugh anyway.

    Except for the cars and the lack of smartphones, 1987’s looked almost exactly like 2021’s. Perhaps 2055’s will as well.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  358. Don’t expect the vaccines everyone has been taking to do what they were supposed to do. Haw haw.

    By the way, among the people who die from from COVID infections, many of them are double-vaccinated people (“breakthrough infections”). In Britain, half of new COVID deaths are of double-vaccinated people.

    Yes, an unvaccinated person who catches COVID is more likely to die of the infection than a doubly-vaccinated person who catches COVID is like to die of it. But there is not a night and day difference.

    Fauci says it’s a night and day difference, but he’s lying with statistics. I can’t put my finger on the article, but when Fauci says breakthrough infections don’t result in COVID deaths, he was using statistics from before May, something like that.

    If there is anyone here who still trusts Fauci . . . Why?

    • Replies: @Guest29048
  359. zacie says:

    I don’t think 1997 Steve would have been this cringe. Maybe you have changed?

  360. Mike Tre says:
    @HA

    Right on cue, HAck.

    From American Assiciation of Suicidology:

    We do not know if some suicides are being masked by COVID deaths in 2020, meaning some of those 2677+ people who would have died by suicide, instead died by COVID or had COVID at the time of their suicide and were characterized as such by coroners/medical examiners.

    https://suicidology.org/2021/04/02/2020data/

    Since it’s been plainly shown that COs have been cooking the books on causes of death last year, the above isn’t surprising. Also, drug OD’s up by 20 THOUSAND from 2019. How many of those were suicides? We’ll probably never know.

    All that’s missing now is a big pile of words from That Would Be Trolling, and my day will be complete!

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @HA
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  361. @El Dato

    Ever heard of “vax long-haulers”? There are also people suffering long-term effects of COVID vaccination.

    Here are seventy of them.

    https://www.vaxlonghaulers.com/

  362. @Corvinus

    You are WEAK, Coronavirus. I bet you don’t even lift weights.

  363. @Guest29048

    COVID can kill the doubly-vaccinated, and when Fauci says it can’t, he’s lying with statistics.

    Berenson:

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/here-we-go-again

    “To be clear on the math here, Fauci’s answer would imply that only about 80 vaccinated people – 0.8 percent of 10,000 – died in June. These are – how do I put this delicately? – big fat stinking lies. They are off by a factor of at least five, and probably 10 or more.” …

    “Fauci and Murthy lied about what percentage of coronavirus deaths are now occurring in FULLY vaccinated people. It is much higher than the sub-1 percent figures they offered.

    “This fact should have been obvious to anyone who has seen the data from England, Scotland, and Israel. Those countries vaccinated a greater percentage of their populations more quickly than the United States. They have also been much more transparent about reporting hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated people. And in all three countries, hospitalizations and deaths have spiked since May – and vaccinated people have accounted for more than HALF of all deaths recently.”

  364. Rooster11 says:
    @gent

    “ 2. Many of the “variants” are simply endemic coronaviruses (common colds) being identified and given names for the first time.” Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!!

    What we’re seeing is the propaganda arm marketing these new variants as they’re “discovered”… and by discovered I mean a list as long as your arm of new scary names they have to roll out as the last one becomes old news. Expect the names to get more dramatic and preposterous as time goes on, we’ll have the Satan strain, the Armageddon strain, the Omega strain.

    Take a look at how they’ve marketed thunderstorms. Any time there’s a chance of rain or thunder, they have flashing signs on the tv warning of possible high winds, windows bursting, tornadoes!! My god, how aren’t we all dead yet??

  365. Clyde says:

    IVERMECTIN PROTOCOLS (works better than hydroxychloroquine)
    There are two. One as a preventive and another if you are sick with Covid 19. You take Ivermectin along with some easy to buy vitamins/supplements.
    https://www.exstnc.com/ — list of MDs in every state who will prescribe Ivermectin
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/faq-on-ivermectin/
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

    Ivermectin Protocol for Moderate / High Risk Patients:
    Ivermectin 0.2 mg/kg — one dose on day 1 and day 3, then take one dose weekly (ivmmeta.com). (Find a Doctor)
    Vitamin D3 5000 IU/day or 50000 IU once a week
    Vitamin C 1000mg once a day
    Quercetin 500mg/day
    Zinc 25-50mg/day
    https://tinyurl.com/47eerb32

    You can get Ivermectin prescribed by your doctor. If he refuses then there are telemedicine MDs who will prescribe it.
    https://www.pushhealth.com/drugs/ivermectin

    You can get the horse Ivermectin at Amazon. https://tinyurl.com/kmmr2seu
    You take it at the same rate as a horse, pound for pound. Humans are similar enough to horses. Horse Ivermectin also at your local Tractor Supply and online veterinary supply stores. I have seen three people at a popular right wing site, say they use the horse Ivermectin as a preventative.

    Myself I take zinc, quercetin, vitamin D 5000 units, Vitamin C a few grams daily. No Ivermectin. I am very healthy and get outdoors a lot, get Vitamin D this way too. If I got Covid I would immediately buy it at Amazon and get it in one day.

    • Thanks: Travis
    • Replies: @Anon
  366. Decide it’s not there.

    What some Stanford boffin said early on is still true: ‘if we weren’t looking for this, we wouldn’t even notice it.’ Is a friend’s mother being in the hospital actually that unusual?

  367. @Morton's toes

    Ron, you still haven’t gotten us the “Bozo” button.

    One man’s bozo is another man’s thought-freedom-fighter.

    Does he mind if we touch his hair?

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  368. Kylie says:

    A joyous Russian virtuoso playing some joyous Mozart:

  369. @Thoughts

    It’s a psychosomatic illness

    That’s possible, I agree. It’s similar to tales about mass demonic or spiritual possession in the Middle Ages… God’s wrath, requiring public shows of penance.

  370. Lurker says:
    @Paul Rise

    Its tearing through the unvaccinated, who will become the vacced as soon as they know someone who gets sick or dies from it.

    Since UK lockdown began in March last year I only know one person who has tested positive and has had to isolate. He’s not, you know, ill. I’m told that a colleague is currently ill with it but I don’t know for sure. He’s not someone I know well and he’s very new, ironically his former employment having being destroyed by lockdown.

    Meanwhile I’ve been at work all through the panic, mixing with people every day.

    So a lot of people are, all of sudden, going to have to get ill/die for me to start thinking about getting vaxed at this stage.

  371. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    Why that’s remarkable. The PCR test yields accurate numbers even though it’s meaningless at the Ct values often used – as per – you know – the guy who invented the technique.

    I have a dowsing rod and a horseshoe that work in much the same manner.

    The positive rate probably follows the case rate because more people get tested when they hype up the case numbers.

    Why did the WHO all of a sudden change their guidelines on the Ct on January 20th, a conveniently unimportant date.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @utu
  372. Lurker says:

    I’ve only been depressed about Covid twice. When it first started but no one I knew got ill/died and nor did I.

    Second time was during Summer 2020, I watched BBC late night news. I didn’t make that mistake again and haven’t been depressed since.

  373. Anonymous[735] • Disclaimer says:

    The strong variants are *caused* by the leaky vaccines. This is backed by decades of research. So thanks for Delta, Vaxxers.

    If we stop the leaky vaccines NOW, the variants over the next few years will get weaker. If we keep vaxxing, welp, g’bye Earth as we knew it.

    Stop trusting politicians, corporations, billionaires and bureaucrats and anyone who toes their line, including doctors. Demand the right to live as a free human again, Coronavirus or not. It is endemic now, and it is not going anywhere.

    Literally Alex Jones knows more about what is going on in the world than you, Steve. There IS a cabal that wants all of us dead. Get over trying to apply Occam’s Razor to sociology and psychology. “Well, I would never go through all that trouble to kill folks for no reason, so I don’t believe anyone would.” That’s pure narcissism. People have different psychology, and currently the world is run by absolute psychopaths. They are effing serious about this Great Reset shit, so adjust your attitude. Fuck your depression. Get angry, fight back.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @HA
    , @40 Lashes Less One
  374. @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks for that Mr. C. For the first time in I do not know how long I max’d out the thanks/agree/whatnot buttons on this thread. That looks like a fine party. Except for the saurkraut on cheeseburger kludge. Do not want. Naked saurkraut is fine but it is not a condiment I care for.

    I have a theory about the toilet paper shortage. I think it may have been catalyzed by the common usage of “when the shit hits the fan” for the fearful unknown cataclysm. If everybody called it “when everything comes unglued” the store shelves might have been scrubbed clean of duct tape.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  375. Somsel says:

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

    Remember that this is modern biowarfare, the first time it has really worked thanks to new gene splicing technology.

    From the last really new weapon introduction,

    First came Hiroshima,

    Then came Nagasaki.

    The only solution will be removing Winnie the Pooh and the CCP from power.

    • LOL: Gordo
  376. @Intelligent Dasein

    First of all, Darwinian evolution does not occur at all, as I have amply demonstrated before.

    Said one of the stupidest fools posting on iSteve.

    • Agree: Raches
  377. @JohnPlywood

    That is what resolution is.

    The literal meaning of apocalypse.

  378. HA says:
    @Anonymous

    “The strong variants are *caused* by the leaky vaccines. This is backed by decades of research. So thanks for Delta, Vaxxers.”

    If that were true, they wouldn’t have originated and taken off in Brazil, Sourth Africa or India, all of which had vaccination rates < 5% at the time the variants got rolling.

    But hey, keep grasping.

  379. Mr. Anon says:
    @El Dato

    Long COVID will be a significant problem among people who had the virus.

    As serious as Morgellon’s disease? Which I understand can be very serious despite, quite probably, not even existing.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/morgellons-disease/art-20044996

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5929959/

    Then of course there is that COVID-induced Kawasaki disease, which is a real threat to children.

    Except that it isn’t, because it was bulls**t.

    • Replies: @adreadline
  380. @Chrisnonymous

    The only problem with intensive exercise is that it’s mind-numbingly boring.

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
  381. @Polistra

    Dammit, thanks to your post, I checked inventory at Home Depot for oak veneer plywood, and 3/4”x4’x8’ sheets are gone in metro Chicago. I checked the supply just a few weeks ago. However, Lowe’s still had some in stock, so I bought it online just now to beat finish carpenters to it. Condo development has gone through the roof here in the Bungalow Belt, for all the downtown professionals who now need a pied-à-terre for reduced weekly commutes to downtown offices and for others in that demographic who have had enough of living in high-risk gentrified neighborhoods. Thanks for the panic tip. 😆

  382. Steve,

    If COVID really had been as devastating as they’d promised, the homeless population of this nation in major cities would have been wiped out.

    That doesn’t mean its not serious. I personally know people who died from it or got very sick (hospital-worthy). Take care of yourself. Its a serious disease. It’s a killer flu.

    But the homeless are flourishing. Ask yourself: if a bunch of drug-addicted, filthy, malnourished mental cases are surviving on the streets with it, is it really the 1918 Spanish Flu?

  383. HA says:
    @Mike Tre

    “We do not know if some suicides are being masked by COVID deaths in 2020, meaning some of those 2677+ people who would have died by suicide, instead died by COVID or had COVID at the time of their suicide and were characterized as such by coroners/medical examiners.”

    So we “do not know” if COVID might have taken out a bunch of people before they got around to killing themselves. Yeah, I guess, and I can see why the “American Assiciation of Suicidologists” would feel short-changed that they thereby lost an opportunity to make hay out of COVID’s suicide potential (i.e. just like you just did), but the same goes for any of the other causes of death that those COVID victims would have died on if COVID hadn’t come around. Creative accounting will only impress those who want to be impressed, or else, like you, are desperately trying to save a losing argument.

    “Also, drug OD’s up by 20 THOUSAND from 2019.”

    As opposed to the 70K who died of overdoses in 2019? And you’re saying — absent any evidence more substantive than your wishful thinking that suicides increased last year, which also turned out to be wrong — that some significant portion of that was due to suicide? Because COVID somehow makes suicide by any of the more conventional means less likely, and also makes the suicides less likely to leave notes?

    Yeah, sure. Again, creative accounting, no matter how desperate, will only get you so far.

  384. J.Ross says:

    If you break the power of fraudulent doctors, then you will be economically fine.
    If you use readily available dirt-cheap medicines, then you will be medically fine.
    If you close the borders, you will be fine in terms of spread.
    If you do none of these things, you deserve the full effect of the consequences.

  385. FPD72 says:
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Cheer up: when the stupid people who won’t get vaccinated catch the virus and die, only vaccinated people will remain, and the problem is over. National IQ a few points higher as well.

    Fewer but better Americans!

  386. @John Johnson

    > No one has claimed that being vaccinated prevents you from getting sick.

    But to the average person, that’s precisely what being vaccinated means. That’s the exact message being propagated by the narrative. Anything else is 2-point fine print.

    “‘You’re OK. You’re not going to – you’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,’ Biden falsely assured”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9814723/Biden-flubs-answer-foreign-policy-work-falsely-says-WONT-COVID-shot.html

  387. J.Ross says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Right, it was admitted that they forced everyone to use the wrong procedure. Months later people figured out that ventilators were a death sentence. Meanwhile they had their scare numbers.

  388. @Agathoklis

    That article has this striking graph for population fatality rates in the UK, before and after vaccination. They use the Astra Zeneca vaccine, as far as I know.

    • Replies: @res
  389. SOL says:

    Cheer up! It’s not COVID or its variants, it’s the non-vax!

  390. @Bardon Kaldian

    You and the cat faces man.

    Anyway, “what question do you bid me ask (the Oracle)? Whether it is better to fall in battle a free man than witness a tyranny? Whether it make a difference whether life is long or short?”

    They knew the spirit in antiquity too.🤓

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  391. Dear iSteve:

    I am sorry to hear that the present situation with Covid-19 has left you depressed. I can relate. I could tell you about my own depression, which is status post the loss of two wives, a crippling back injury preventing me from walking, and a case of Long Covid that, until recently, had been going on for a year and a half.

    But you don’t need to know about all of that, save perhaps to know that ‘I feel your pain’.

    What you really need is to see some alternative to that ‘Twelve Monkeys’ scenario.

    I can relate to that too.

    So, now that I’ve established the ethos and pathos, let’s cut to the chase, and move to the logos.

    You want a protocol which will minimize or eliminate the effects of SARS-CO-V2.

    I would suggest that you start by using either Google Scholar or a local research library to look at the terms ‘coronavirus’ and ‘intracellular zinc’. If you do, I think you will find the scientific literature which shows that generally, coronaviruses can not replicate where there is sufficient intracellular and blood serum zinc.

    I would then suggest that you review the literature concerning the terms ‘zinc’ and ‘zinc ionophore’. You may find that there are some substances, such as HCQ, Ivermectin, Quercetin, and others, which facilitate the introduction of serum zinc into cells. On the other hand, studies which negate the effectiveness of the abovementioned drugs, for some odd reason, fail to test them together with zinc. Why, it’s almost as though Big Pharma and the CDC (but I repeat myself) don’t want to find an inexpensive alternative to expensive vaccines or drugs (especially if they are co-owners of the patents to said vaccines and drugs)!

    Finally, I would suggest that you do Google Scholar on the terms ‘Zinc’, ‘Quercetin’, ‘Vitamin C’, and ‘Vitamin D’. If you were to do so, you might find that Quercetin and Vitamin C have a synergistic effect as an improved zinc ionophore, and the four substances in question are being used in several studies. I suggest Quercetin also because it is a food supplement, and thus is not subject to the nasty tendency of the CDC and FDA to make other zinc ionophores unavailable. You might even find suggested dosages for this protocol in the medical literature.

    I hope this helps. I find the world to be a more interesting place with you in it.

    P.S. I will point out the possible parallel of SARS-CO-V2 with HIV/AIDS: the two may BOTH turn out to be viruses which can not be stopped by vaccines, Preventing viral replication via a drug cocktail was the only way we were able to stop AIDS. It may be the same with SARS-CO-V2.

  392. @TWS

    The Kung Flu is the new “Big One” in California now … till the real Big One comes.

  393. HA says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “Why are you guys so obsessed with making everyone live like shut-ins?”

    Apparently, your reading comprehension is as bad as your COVID forecasts, as are your powers of recall, since you already asked and I already answered this same question.

    That all helps explains the rest of your drivelly output. In any case, like I already told you, I have no particular forecast of my own as to the long-term success of any of the COVID precautions. Time will tell and it could go either way. That’s why they call it trial and error, but unlike you, they might just learn from their past mistakes, whereas you’ll probably remain a Dunning-Kruger case study whose ignorance of basic math isn’t enough to dissuade you from fancying yourself some kind of expert on matters epidemiological. However bad the COVID experts have been, they’ll have to start working doubly hard to catch up with you. As long as people like you are the alternative, their paychecks are assured.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  394. @Mike Tre

    I was pretty sure “HA” stood for Hysterical Asshole, Mike, but I guess I stand corrected. There could be a good many drug ODs any years that are suicide, maybe a majority of them. This ain’t the Rock&Roll 1960s with everyone and his brother drowning himself in his own vomit. For the year 2020, it’s very likely that most drug overdoses were suicides.

    I’m just curious about this suicidology field and the Journal thereof, since I’ve never heard of it. I wonder how it is being a researcher there.

    “Mr. John Downer, expert on suicide notes, died yesterday evening just after completing his latest meta-study on suicide notes, titled Suicide notes – the myriad connotations of ‘Goodbye, cruel world.’ Police detectives found two bullet entry wounds in Mr. Downer’s mouth and a Taurus 9mm handgun on his roll-top desk, so the coroner has now officially determined the cause of death … to be from COVID-19.”

    • LOL: James Speaks
  395. JimDandy says:
    @Dave

    Yeah. That’s a big “if” though. I’ve looked for Delta case fatality rates for unvaccinated people, and I couldn’t fund much, but what I did find didn’t seem very bad.

  396. @Verymuchalive

    ‘ The measures taken by governments around the world to deal with it have been grossly disproportionate, draconian, grotesque and unnecessary.’

    You forgot ineffectual, and socially and economically catastrophic.

    The virus has been at best a minor event. Our response has been a disaster on a global scale.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  397. @Anonymous

    My bet is Steve is familiar with the cabal but prefers to spoonfeed that knowledge to us slowly over time.

  398. @Ron Unz

    Iceland is 325 times the size of Malta, with barely half the population. Social distancing is the norm. (How’s Malta doing, by the way?)

    Also, a lot of their free time is spent in hot springs. Is that good or bad? Greg Louganis’s defenders said that chlorine prevented the spread of HIV.

  399. @Matt Buckalew

    Show us how you can do better, anonymous dude on the internet.

  400. We have a super-spreader event coming across the Southern border. Those people are being dispersed throughout the United States right now, by order of the Party and at taxpayer expense. How will this end? Damned if I know.

  401. Clyde says:
    @Matt Buckalew

    Lol You are hallucinating.

  402. Rahan says:

    Consider that nowhere in the world are there bodies on the street due to COVID.

    You’ve got different climates, different nations, different political systems, different health care, different levels of access to clean water, riches and poverty, freedom and repression, high IQ and low IQ societies, old societies and young societies, close and far genetic clusters, but NOT IN ONE place are there bodies on the streets. Not in one. From the most developed 1st world place to the least developed 3rd world place. Not in one.

    Case closed, no?

    Concerning the vaccines, if one feels getting a jab will really help one. Trad dead virus vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm show your immune system all the elements of the virus, so that the body learns to recognize every element. The “fancy modern” vaccines only show “the most important protein” to the body, because I fucking love science and billions need to be made and careers need to soar.

    So when the damn viral pneumonia starts mutating, as long as at least some part of the virus still resembles the original form, the trad vaccine provides some protection (or rather “softening of reaction”), whereas the fancy modern vaccines that depend on just one protein being recognized—the moment the protein mutates beyond recognition the vaccines become useless.

    Which is great. For profits that is. The trad vax is naïve pre-big pharma shit that actually does what it needs to do, whereas the fancy modern vax mean you will constantly need booster shots. For some with “long covid” even once a month, because I fucking love science.

    Ask yourself, why would the West a) forbid importation of other types of vaccines, and b) not make its own trad vaccine? Cuba could. Kazakhstan could. Iran could. Every member state of the EU and likely every state of the USA or Canada could develop a trad vaccine tomorrow. Why has this not been allowed to happen? Why are instead only fancy shmancy vaccines enforced at gun point?

    Also concerning vaccine side-effects:
    1) Trad vax (Sinopharm, Sinovac) — flu-shot tier possible side-effect
    2) Adenoviral vector vax (AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson, Sputnik) – OK for people with astronaut/marine commando levels of health. With everyone else will sharped all underlying and latent health issues. Mild heart problems turning into heart attacks, mild allergies turning into lethal shocks and so on. Which is why China gives its AstraZeneca and Sputnik equivalent to its military (members went through a fitness filter), while the fragile civilians get the trad vax
    3) RNA experimental serums (Pfeizer, Moderna) – if you are old and don’t plan on making kids and are OK with having to have booster shots every half hour and maybe your immune system collapsing in a few year—go for it. Otherwise maybe hold off.
    If you have no choice, but have at least some choice–take the vector vaccine instead. Just prepare for a few days before that with lots of rest and fluids and healthy foods, so that you receive the shot at peak health condition. This will help weaken side-effects, unlike if you’re stressed out, exhausted, and full of toxic fats and sugars when you get it.

    If one wants a vaccine to feel safe, but wants to evade the side-effects and the potential Ponzi scheme of anal booster shots every Friday, then get the trad vax.

    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/7/
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/5/
    The links above provide lists of countries with these vaccines. Which is everyone except the core globohomo countries, literally, everyone except them.

    If American—pop over to Mexico or another South American place, give someone \$50, and get a trad vax shot. If in Western Europe—pop over to Montenegro or Albania or Turkey and give someone 50 euro. If in Japan or Korea – pop over to the Philippines, etc.

    • Agree: BB753, The Alarmist
  403. @Morton's toes

    Except for the sauerkraut on cheeseburger kludge. Do not want.

    But it’s Sailer’s meat. It can withstand any condiment.

    Their bacon cheeseburger-flavored bratwurst is trebly tref, if you’re into that.

  404. @HA

    So we have to shut everything down in to save a few old folk singer queers? Is there any evidence it works anyway?

    And why don’t regular White people get the same consideration in Steve Sailer’r warped CivNat Hellscape?

  405. Lisa F says:

    It’s amazing how much more mettle our ancestors had. Steve, as the standard bearer of the internet right, at least put on a brave face, buckaroo.

  406. HA says:
    @The Alarmist

    “Yeah, the joke has been fact-checked by no shortage of humourless….”

    If you’re going to go around calling people humourless, you’ll need some better material than that so-called joke in order to make your point.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  407. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    @The Alarmist

    “Yeah, the joke has been fact-checked by no shortage of humourless….”

    If you’re going to go around calling people humourless, you’ll need some better material than that so-called joke in order to make your point.

    The Alarmist however is qute correct. You are about as humorful as a herniated disc.

    • Thanks: The Alarmist
  408. Mr. Anon says:

    Still, after 18 months, people fail to grasp the difference between “with COVID” and “from COVID”.

    Majority Of Hospitalized Covid Patients In UK Only Tested Positive After Admission: Leaked NHS Data

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/majority-hospitalized-covid-patients-uk-only-tested-positive-after-admission-leaked-nih

    Testing after admission is inflating the hospitalized numbers (as many people pointed out was likely going on more than a year ago), just as PCR tests are inflating the number of cases, and outright fraud / financial incentives have inflated the number of deaths.

    And yet, still, many people breathlessly repeat the official numbers as if they are likely to be accurate, or ever were.

    • Replies: @res
    , @utu
  409. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonymousNameChange

    The claim to more or less working out the logic of the 21st century (thus far, or up to a point) has pretty good merit and can at the least be defended,

    What is “the logic of the 21st century” that he claims to have worked out?

  410. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I won’t pretend to know. Because of my job I made no adjustments last year, and was in contact with about the same amount of people. “I didn’t get it” still doesn’t mean much, but I also know only one person irl who did, and for whom it was a minor event. We occasionally deal with the hospital near downtown, where they still keep the stricter protocols and devoted a floor to expected cases–which as far as I can tell, never came. When I asked a nurse about how many cases they were catching, at the supposed height of the pandemic–her response suggested defensiveness, as if I’d asked a delicate question.
    Point is, they’ve been wrong from the start about two things: how easy it is to catch it and how lethal it is. Yet people continue to overestimate these things.
    That initial shock–possibly of deliberate misinformation–when they all but predicted bodies in the streets, came like a blow, and we still stagger on numb from it.

    I have the worst advice though, regarding your depression: there are many, many more things much, much more depressing.

    Forgive me, but you should ask if this isn’t psychological displacement. Honestly, a good old-fashioned threat to all, a problem to be solved, clear and plain, on behalf of all. Who wouldn’t want it, in a way?

    Being bummed about Covid is actually a break from the harsh reality of CRT America.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  411. @Anonymous

    What’s the lag between cases and hospitalizations and deaths?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  412. @John Johnson

    Overdose deaths were up 30% in 2020 over 2019.

    That’s bad.

    • Replies: @zacie
  413. @John Johnson

    It’s summer. Do things outdoors when possible.

    That’s pretty good advice most summers.

  414. Kirt says:
    @Corvinus

    In the long run, we all end up in a pine box or something perhaps a bit more expensive. In the short run leading up to that, I’d rather lead a happy life to prepare myself for eternal happiness on the other side of the pine box that a fearful miserable life to prepare myself for eternal misery.

  415. zacie says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But you and your buddies in the public health agencies, as the self-appointed arbiters of human suffering, shouldn’t worry about a bunch of non-actionable deaths.

    Here’s a good question: would God ever send a virus that was so bad that it would force people to renounce their god-given rights, and prevent people from attending church, and taking the sacraments.

    The faithful man clearly answers “No.” The man without faith? Well, he never had a chance.

    And what’s the name of the agent who WOULD prevent people from exercising their constitutional rights, assembly, worship, conducting commerce? You already know it. And which governmental entities are following the will of that agent?

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @NOTA
  416. @HA

    Not in the military.

    Millions of kids freed from the glorified prisons their schools have become no doubt contributed to enough of an improvement in their mental health to offset all the familiar stressors involved. But soldiers weren’t afforded that luxury.

    • Replies: @HA
  417. I’m late to this party, but I thought about replying much earlier and even contemplated a private reply.

    But after much reflection (and not a little bit of Putin’s malicious influence via Stolichnaya), I’m just gonna remind you that you have survived CANCER (as have I). If you are going to become a fucking bedwetter over the flu (when in history has a MAN cowered indoors in fear of 99.7:1 odds???), then you are just Boomed-out.

    What were your cancer odds Steve? Better than 99.7:1 I’ll wager. Mine were too. Miraculously we survived. Or maybe our number just didn’t come up yet. No matter. We might even dodge the next bullet. And the next.

    But, news-flash, there is not a single one of us that gets out of this fate. And after facing it daily for years it’s become comical to me to see others in frantic denial of reality rather than boldly facing the balance sheet of their lives..

  418. @Dennis Dale

    Well put Dennis. I lost an uncle but he wasn’t supposed to make it out of 1987 in the first place. And a cousin with some co-morbidities ended up with some Atrial Fib. That’s it. A lot of strange goings on (or lack thereof) at local hospitals that doesn’t really jibe with what Steve’s been talking about. An unusual number of known unknowns staying unknown. Doesn’t sit well.

  419. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The positive rate probably follows the case rate because more people get tested when they hype up the case numbers.

    Wrong! Do what I have suggested. Look at, say NYS data

    https://forward.ny.gov/percentage-positive-results-county-dashboard

    and try to explain them. Where do you see the false positive signal and how high it is.

    “Why did the WHO ” – What don’t you actually read what they wrote?

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

    There is nothing that suggest a “change their guidelines on the Ct”. They just state that Ct is inversely proportional to a viral load and when the “test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT
    technology.”

    “the guy who invented the technique.” – Not that Mullis is worth debunking because once he was shafted he made many nonsensical utterances but in this case it was checked:

    Fact check: Inventor of method used to test for COVID-19 didn’t say it can’t be used in virus detection
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr/fact-check-inventor-of-method-used-to-test-for-covid-19-didnt-say-it-cant-be-used-in-virus-detection-idUSKBN24420X

    ” dowsing rod and a horseshoe” – You are a troll who acts as a clown for the audience of cretins like Achmed E. Newman.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  420. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts

    The thing that jumps out at you when you read the comments here is that

    1) Don’t be a hysterical teenage girl (feminization of society)
    2) No regular commentators know anyone who had severe Covid
    3) Go outside, stop listening to the doomsday Media

    1. Way too late for that. I’m astounded how many men have become slightly effeminate. I can’t account for it, but it’s pretty glaring. I still tell men I know acting girly to “knock that fag shit off,” but I have to do it privately instead of out in public, so as not to offend real people. Even real gays hate fag behavior, though.

    2a. My 29 year older relative caught it. Shook it off like it was nothing.

    b. Another 60 year old relative got it. She’s pretty fat, had other problems related to fatness.
    First week was quite unpleasant. Lingered for a week. She got over it by the end of week two.
    No hospitalization.

    c. I got it, my brother got it, and a 70 year old neighbor got it. Brother and I are middle aged.
    My first day I got a decent headache. Second day, moved to migraine status. I never get migraines, btw. Third day, migraine was so bad, I could hardly think, or even walk. Certainly couldn’t drive my ass to the hospital that was 12 blocks away. I’ve never considered going to the hospital for any ailment my entire life. Decided to tuff it out for one more day. Fourth day was a bad headache instead of migraine, but I could think and walk again. Fifth day a light headache. Sixth day, I was back to normal, as if it had all never happened! My brother went through the same exact thing, unbeknownst to me at the time. Our neighbor had a damaged liver to begin with. Was found unconscious in his home. Taken to the hospital, put on a ventilator, went septic pretty fast, died four days later. Now you know of a commenter who’s seen some covid things.

    3. Going outside is good advice, but a Steve advocating taking that vax is TERRIBLE advice. It’s like buying a new model car with a semi-proven engine with NO warranty! Don’t buy the first anything! Don’t buy the first anything that has no warranty! I’m not quoting rocket science here! Jesus! I can still hardly believe Steve “Prove It” Sailer bellied up for that nonsense. Just goes to show, trust nobody.

    And me? I’ll be sticking with my 500,000 year time-tested immune system, thanks byatch!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  421. black sea says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s better to die of pneumonia than to die because your brain has forgotten how to tell the esophagus to function and I’ve seen both.

    For whatever reason, this bit of information is not cheering me up.

  422. @barnabus

    Thanks for this cogent reply.

    It accords well with anecdotal reports we’ve been getting from people in the UK, which indicate that there have been a lot of cases among young people (many unvaccinated).

    The case rate in the UK is now plummeting just as fast as it rose earlier this month, in spite of the big ‘opening up’ on July 19, and then the massive parties in the following days during England’s run to the finals of the European Cup football tournament.

  423. @Ron Unz

    FFS, Iceland’s COVID death rate is virtually undetectable.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/iceland?view=daily-deaths&tab=trend

    They are probably in more danger from volcanic eruptions.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  424. I’ve skimmed through the comments section. Way too much obscurantism here.

    Of course Covid is “real”. And of course it is serious. And of course, there are many risks with or without vaccination. We still don’t know.

    All I can tell is: take care of yourself (D3 big doses etc.- although, having that illness twice, I don’t see D3 helped me at all); better get vaccinated because you’re safer- I still didn’t simply because I am, I guess, still immune- but intend to do that in next 3-5 months; the best policy is to keep distance from crowds and other insignificant others (masks & frequent disinfection seem to have even harmful effects); rational analysis doesn’t work: a man 102 years old & with a bunch of comorbidities got over it in a few days- on the other hand, a 35 years old healthy guy who got this infection, still cannot walk, perhaps 6 months after the Covid. He is paralyzed & doctors don’t know what to do. His wife and children are desperate.

    So in case you get ill from it, chances are you’ll get over it fine. If not, you’ll die unconscious hitched to the respirator. And if Covid turns you into a suffering mess of hopeless & helpless flesh- you can still go Hemingway all the way.

  425. Mr Mox says:
    @Redman

    Sweden had its 8th lowest death rate in 21 years. And they did next to nothing in 2020. Were there excess deaths? Some, but not a lot.

    I have been comparing our (Danish) weekly death rate, with the same weeks for 2019, from time to time since the beginning of this year. At first, the numbers were way higher for 2021, but after a long stretch of weeks below average, they are now almost identical. If the trend continues, at the end of the year there will be no discernable difference.

    To put it bluntly: A lot of old people who were scheduled to die this year, did so in the first five weeks.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  426. @NOTA

    Docs and care home professionals in Germany and Switzerland say no, we wouldn’t. Remember: Fewer people died on a ventilator in Switzerland in 2020 than did so in 2019. If you standardize the Swiss death count of 2020, there are no excess deaths to be found.
    This picture gets a bit less clear if one takes into account, that these numbers were the result of some measures of caution, that had not been taken in 2019 and before, so seen from this perspective I concede that yes: Seen from that angle, you can indeed realize that something had been happening 2020 ff. – But the effect it had is significantly smaller than what is usually said about Switzerland. People just don’t get what a success story the Swiss (and the Swedish) examples are.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @utu
  427. @obwandiyag

    Disagree. Switch it up, keep challenging yourself, and it never gets boring.

    I do cardio HIIT (running), bodyweight exercises. HIIT done right requires intense mental focus and willpower. The post-exercise high always feels great.

    As for bodyweight, I mostly follow Convict Conditioning. I’ve attained one-arm pushups and one leg squats. Still working on the one-arm pullups (on uneven pullups), bridges, and handstands.

  428. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Actually, I Ching says something similar in hex 30:

    Here the end of the day has come. The light of the setting sun calls to mind the fact that life is transitory and conditional. Caught in this external bondage, men are usually robbed of their inner freedom as well. The sense of the transitoriness of life impels them to uninhibited revelry in order to enjoy life while it lasts, or else they yield to melancholy and spoil the precious time by lamenting the approach of old age. Both
    attitudes are wrong. To the superior man it makes no difference whether death comes early or late. He cultivates himself, awaits his allotted time, and in this way secures his fate.

  429. Anonymous[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    About 3 weeks for the previous waves. We are well past that now and there is no significant peak in deaths to match the peak in cases.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+covid

  430. @Mr. Anon

    There’s also “chronic Lyme disease”, which if you ask Wiki is also imaginary. And, I suspect (but cannot prove), like “Morgellon’s” and “long Covid”, might also mostly affect women. Anedoctally, I was curious and watched a stream about the symptoms of “long Covid” and, judging by the names of the (supposed) people reporting their symptoms on the accompanying chat, it’s really a female thing. This despite men reportedly making up most deaths from the WuFlu.

    The person who coined the term “long Covid” — who apparently was a woman, too — was either fortunate or savvy and didn’t name it “chronic Covid” else risking it being disparaged as nonexistent like “chronic Lyme disease”.

    Note I really have zero idea of whether either of those are real or not.

    Also, it may be the case ”chronic Lyme disease” is rejected out of hand by our (liberal) guardians despite most people who complain of it possibly being Affluent White Female Liberals, yet they won’t question “long Covid” for political reasons: again, I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Poirot
  431. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    “New tests will have assay that reflect the change in the prevalence of new variants.”
    I see you have “Over 13,600 Comments Since 2015” and yet you can’t write an English sentence.

  432. @Ron Unz

    Maybe India will save us in the end by re-engineering the Delta variant to be twice as infectious but only a fifth as lethal. Then everyone is expected to go to parties and pass Mr. Modi’s sniffle around. True, the new variant might (would) undergo mutations and it is unlikely Western politicians would take the risk, at least initially. There would be an obvious name for the project: Operation Cowpox.

  433. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The WSJ has had the best continuing coverage of Covid I think. At any rate, today they have an interview with the head of the German company that developed Pfizer’s vaccine:

    Covid-19 Immunity Wanes, but Third Shot Still Rarely Needed, BioNTech CEO Says
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-immunity-wanes-but-third-shot-still-rarely-needed-biontech-ceo-says-11627211359

    BERLIN—Immunity against the coronavirus is waning in people who were fully vaccinated with the shot made by BioNTech SE and Pfizer Inc. in January because of the rapidly spreading Delta variant, BioNTech’s chief executive said, confirming data that emerged from Israel last week.

    But even as antibody levels are dropping seven months after immunization among some vaccine recipients, most of them will remain protected against severe disease and might not yet need a third dose, according to Ugur Sahin, CEO of the German company that invented the vaccine and partnered with Pfizer to develop the product for the global market.

    “The antibody titers are going down,” Dr. Sahin said, referring to the unit of measurement for antibodies against the virus. “The vaccine protection against the new variant is considerably lower.”

    Dr. Sahin made the comments after preliminary data emerged from Israel showing that people who had received the shot in January were three times more likely to get infected than those who were vaccinated in May.

    The Pfizer vaccine is only being sold to governments. Sahin thinks it should be offered on the open market, so that people can choose for themselves whether they need a 3rd, booster shot.

    [MORE]

    That would go down really great in the U.S.! Poverty-stricken BIPOCs should be first in line, not the 1 percent! In the U.S. you would have to offer boosters for free to black people. Then when they demure, you’d have to fund nationwide educational programs, run by black people, to convince black people to get the booster. Then when they still aren’t really getting the booster, you still wouldn’t be able to offer it to white people because that would not be equity. Some sort of mysterious “structural racism” is preventing blacks from getting the booster, and until that is dismantled (maybe a millenium from now) whites will not be offer boosters.

  434. utu says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Covid deaths and excess deaths count in Switzerland are pretty close. By Dec. 10 2020 there were 6,000 covid deaths and 6,400 excess deaths.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v1.full.pdf

    so Switzerland with +7% discrepancy is pretty good at being consistent comparing to some countries: UK 18%, Austria 30%, Czechia 50%, Romania 140%, Russia 770%, Belarus 1400%

    Obviously Germany is #1 having 0% discrepancy.

    And there are countries that have negative discrepancies like the very low covid rate countries: Norway, Denmark, Iceland.

    “People just don’t get what a success story the Swiss (and the Swedish) examples are.” – What? Neither Sweden nor Switzerland are particular success stories. They are 39 and 42 from the top in death per capita. Real success stories are Norway, Finland and Denmark in Europe and Taiwan, NZ and Australia in the world.

    “If you standardize the Swiss death count of 2020, there are no excess deaths to be found.” – Whatever you tried to say here it is wrong. Dieter Kief , you are such a flake it’s almost adorable.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @JimDandy
  435. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    c. I got it, my brother got it, and a 70 year old neighbor got it. Brother and I are middle aged.
    My first day I got a decent headache. Second day, moved to migraine status.

    How do you know it was Covid? Were you tested?

  436. Gordo says:
    @lavoisier

    Well MERS (Middle East Respiratory Corona Virus) had an estimated case fatality rate of approximately 30% for those who became clinically ill.

    So it is not really a stretch to imagine a much more virulent Covid variant to emerge.

    Yes that would be a real problem, perhaps that is what governments fear but I resent their lying to us, after all we pay their damned wages.

    I that were to happen perhaps there would be real precautions and not the grotesque shops closed airports open phenomenon we have all seen for the past year and a bit.

    Maybe Boris would also stop the boat loads of disease vectors crossing the channel every day?

    In my local, isolated, area, we can track deaths pretty well without the aid of the government and the only blip was for a couple of weeks when, sadly, the virus got into the old folk’s home, a nasty time.

  437. Someone was asking about flush Niacin (i.e. Niacin as Nicotinic Acid, Vitamin B3). My understanding is that it is Niacin as was traditionally administered. In this form it produces a noticeable flush the first couple times you take it as the body adjusts. If you’re careful to take it on a full stomach and/or 8-12 oz of fluid as is recommended even that can be minimized.

    Some genius came along and invented a version that didn’t produce that flush (no-flush Niacin) and unsurprisingly turned out not to produce the benefits either. According to Dr. Benjamin Braddock the flush version is effective in controlling the unintended spike proteins released by the vacks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  438. @Cloudbuster

    Hysterics are gonna hysteric, Cloudbuster. 29 people in Iceland have died so far from the Kung Flu, per the stats in your link.

    COVID, volcanoes, and raw fish, oh my!
    I’m guessing you just want PEOPLE TO DIE!

  439. @Desiderius

    I disagree, Desiderius – full stomach, fluids, whatever, when I was taking the standard dose, 500 mg or somthing(?) of Niacin, it gave me a big flush every time, for years that is. It’s not that bad, but just weird – some people I know like it.

    That small disagreement aside, thank you for your good comments under this thread.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  440. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Covid Long will just steal patients from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and all the other proxies for depression. Since some forms of trannyism are depression proxies, Covid Long might reduce the number of trannies, to our benefit.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  441. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Took Ivermectin on two consecutive days in December, plus C, D, Zinc. Fifty, reasonably fit. Didn’t have lung problems or oxygenation problems, but it is a nasty bug. I am very willing to try HCQ + Azithromycin next time. Ivermectin might keep you out of the hospital but it doesn’t “cure” you, so to speak. Or at least supplement with Azyt, acting on Montaigner’s hunch that it is covid in synergy with some gut bacteria that gives a worse outcome.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  442. @John Milton's Ghost

    The virus gets worse, and the world convenes a show trial, at which Faucci is hanged via a live broadcast, followed by most members of the WHO.

    John, you leave The Who out of it. OK, I could see maybe 2 years hard labor for Pete Townsend for each perfectly good guitar he smashed up, but that’s as far as I’ll go!

    Fauci and Pelosi? Sure, hang ’em high!

  443. Gordo says:

    Here in Bonnie Scotland the government is putting out constant adverts telling people to test twice a week, everyone, test can be picked up or delivered free of charge.

    And then, shock horror; Loads Of Cases, its a Hellscape out there! A case now means a detection not illness.

    My question is this: Why does the government not care that I have antibodies (from a Covid infection last year)? I have an elderly relative who has had both injections and no antibodies, I have had neither but have antibodies. Is it about the vaccine not the virus?

  444. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @mc23

    “ Actually they’ll still envy those with a pretty wife and happy children.”

    Bingo. And envy breeds hate. Let’s not give them anymore power. Deus vult!

  445. @utu

    ahh, utu – right you are, I left out one word above, so with more detail now: – Here ist what virologist Pietro Vernazza says about the Swiss CO-19 death count of those over 65:

     Now, the total number of deaths in over 65-year-olds is often assessed in a year-on-year comparison. But this age group has increased by 10 percent in the last five years. Mortality is now defined as the number of deaths per 100,000 people per year. If you now study the death rates in people over 65 for the past 10 years, you will find that mortality in 2013 and 2015 was higher than mortality in 2020.

    The interviewer then asks professor Vernazza. : So in your view, there is no exceptional excess mortality? And Pietro Vernazza answers: This is not my point of view: that’s what the numbers tell us.

    Here is the link  https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/ich-bin-ein-klarer-verfechter-der-impfung

    what Vernazza says is pretty much what top German population-staistics expert Peter Pflaumer from the Univerity of Dortmund says: No excess deaths in Germany in 2020

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @utu
  446. Polemos says:
    @AnonymousNameChange

    The man said he’s depressed, so understandably iSteve doesn’t give a shit about some peacocking guys feeling good when seeing their comments posted online. He’ll get to it, eventually.

  447. botazefa says:

    Hi Steve,

    The CDC will be removing it’s request for PCR testing emergency use (granted by the FDA) on December 31. This should drive the case counts way down just in time for Democrats to claim they eradicated the pandemic in the US ahead of the mid term cycle.

    So, this too shall pass.

    https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  448. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    A meaningless test gives meaningless results.

    Hysterical idiots like you find that difficult to grasp.

    I read the WHO’s pronouncement on Ct of 1/20/21, and it clearly is intended to tell people to dial it down.

    Reuters Fact Check! Hey – Utu – check out Reuters fact checks on 9/11. Do you trust those too?

    It’s remarkmable – you guys who have been telling us for years that nothing the media or government says is true, and now all of a sudden you’re as trusting as a room full of Mormon church-ladies.

    ” dowsing rod and a horseshoe” – You are a troll who acts as a clown for the audience of cretins like Achmed E. Newman.

    You are a credulous moron.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @utu
  449. @Anon

    But seriously, a guy or girl that age has nothing to worry about from Covid. And you must know that. Even twice or three times that age.

  450. The governments got more power at the expense of their citizenry. The rich got richer. Neither are giving up the panic porn that is Covid 19. So my advice is to learn to live with it, and turn off the TV.

    My part of the world is close to the major east coast cities but rural enough (that is changing rapidly) to be Amish. We all rejected the masks, sanitizers, and went outside to do whatever needed to be done. PA officials needed the produce auctions to operate, and yet nary an outbreak occurred in those mask free zones. Amish stores were mask free, and the state is lying thru their teeth when they claim 90% had it. The Amish weren’t ever sick with it in mass. A few elders being treated for other illnesses were. Maybe the hospitals were the super spreaders?

    Lastly it seems getting a mild version is the best option for the best immunity. Apparently the Swedes and the Belarus President were right from the get go. So the good news is the Delta variant for all the hoopla sounds like a common cold. Stop living in fear. The poofy protesting French, as are the poofy protesting Brits and not poofy protesting Italians, are making us all look like sniveling cowards. Is that not worse then the bug itself at this point?

    • LOL: Morton's toes
  451. Bert says:

    Steve,

    To cheer yourself up, note that most people who get seriously ill or die have gingivitis, suboptimal Vitamin D titers, low zinc and selenium levels, and are either obese or overweight; all fixable problems. Secondly, there are at least five classes of drugs that cure the infection: anti-malarials, anti-parasitics, anti-depressants, anti-androgens, and anti-inflammatories. Intra-nasally applied ivermectin and vaccines will be available soon.

    Returning to normal life is thwarted not by SARS-2 per se, but by the politicization of the government’s response. Given that the Black problem is insoluble, you would have spent the past year better, for all of us, if you had focused on a rational epidemic policy. You have a large enough platform that you could have perhaps made a difference. Without schadenfreude (because I’m suffering too), I point out that you could have engaged my suggestion posted here in March, 2020, that the best policy was to protect the elderly rigorously and encourage everyone else to get infected as quickly as possible. That would have avoided both economic damage and evolution of increased virulence. We would have been free of this shit more than a year ago.

  452. Mr. Anon says:
    @adreadline

    The reason I compared it to Morgellons is that Morgellons is almost certainly just a psychological problem (if you read accounts by people who claim to have it, they sound a bit touched). I find it entirely plausible that some people may have real long term adverse physiological effects from a bout of COVID. I also find it entirely possible that a lot of drama queens will hop on it as an excuse for whatever malaise besets them that day.

  453. @Anonymous

    You win the Post Hoc, Ergo Procter Hoc, Award of the Month.

  454. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    ‘Also, isn’t it about time for “That Would Be Telling” and “HA” to chime in here?’

    Nope, the “experiments” have been run, the results are excellent to those able to analyze the data (hints, actuarial data and novelty). Although the Israeli health ministry claim about contracting Delta after Pfizer/BioNTech vaccination is worrying, but it’s an outlier and they need to “show their work,” especially since they’re not claiming unusual results in avoiding hospitalization, about 7% lower.

    There’s nothing I can say that’ll change people’s minds while we watch unvaccinated people get mowed down by the even more transmissible and deadly Delta variant, with the possibility Alpha and Delta will be followed by a worse variant. Everyone in the US should know multiple people who got a mRNA vaccine and have observed that they’re fine after 1.5-2 months. Therefore I’m only searching for my handle in a discussion like this, I got my second Pfizer/BioNTech jab more than a couple of months ago and I’m just fine, but still wearing an industrial 3M N95 mask when I go to any place with people indoors, see below for why. At least such masks are again available, in the US I recommend Grainger for “you bet your life” equipment.

    But while I’m at it, our host shouldn’t despair except over the understandable “vaccine hesitancy” in so many groups in the US who have justifiably learned to distrust our ruling trash. Outside of the above mentioned Israeli outlier, vaccines are so far showing 7-10% less efficacy with Delta, which is not good but not terrible, and of course the single jab version of the Janssen vaccine is by design not as effective as the mRNA ones to begin with. Hospitalizations are also way up in my local region, now exceeding the previous peaks, but it’s almost entirely the unvaccinated, and they’re presenting differently, we’re not seeing the lost of taste and smell, while gastrointestinal symptoms are common.

    This won’t cheer you up, but facts must be accepted, Classic Wuhan -> Alpha -> Delta all show both greater transmissibility and per early U.K. data on Delta greater lethality, we presume for the same reason, they successively bind better to ACE2 receptors. And we don’t know if the virus has more tricks up its sleeve to further adapt better to humans.

    Did come across a paper or preprint with some good news, there’s a very conserved part of all coronaviruses that 20% of the population tested have immunity against. It’s proteins are almost certainly buried under the viral envelope like almost all non-spike protein targets, meaning the immune system can only attack hijacked cells, but it would help explain the wildly different outcomes of people who get COVID-19.

  455. Bert says:
    @Bert

    Make that six classes of drugs. Add TNF-alpha blockers.

    TNF-α Blockers Showed Prophylactic Effects in Preventing COVID-19 in Patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis and Seronegative Spondyloarthropathies: A Case–Control Study

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40744-021-00342-8

  456. @JMcG

    470th!

    (or higher, at whim)

    • LOL: vhrm
  457. @anon

    The CDC is ordering a discontinuation of the PCR test for COVID-19 detection effective the end of this year, 12 / 31 /21…. Read this.

    Yes, it would really help if people actually read the damned document and could comprehend what it actually says, emphasis added:

    After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only.

    That is, the first FDA EUA test in the US which was almost no one outside the CDC could get to work even with uncontaminated test kits, which of course is a manual test. This specific test is being discontinued, isn’t even listed on the FDA’s EUA page, along with all March 2020 authorized tests.

    (And let’s not forget how the FDA used its power in EUA demands and granting along with CDC incompetence to prevent more than 4,000 people being tested through the end of February, so everyone was flying blind while COVID-19 reached sustained community transmission. Even then, Trump’s handling of COVID-19 wasn’t enough to cost him the election as demonstrated by the Democrats switching to Plan B late on election night.)

    See also uta’s comment about how tests need to keep up with variants which have mutations in the 2-3 bits of virus RNA that’s checked for.

    The people raising a hue and cry about this are over a year late to the game, are apparently completely unaware the vast majority of medical testing is automated after samples are taken (for front end handling perhaps before being handed to a specialized nucleic acid testing machine, I’ll bet you still can’t beat this, and for the real thing including bar code scanning, this). Not even sure if they’re capable of realizing it takes time to design automated tests, humans are much more intelligent and flexible robots as lab techs and students, to procure reagents early in the game, etc.

    This sort of completely NPC non-thinking along with increasing frank lunacy why I’ve stopped casing pearls before swine. I’m vaccinated, all my friends and family have natural or vaccine immunity, the rest of you can for now take your chances on rolling snake eyes on morbidity and mortality from the increasingly deadly virus.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  458. Bert says:
    @JimDandy

    I KNOW a LOT of people–including a lot of old, sick people, and fat people–and not one of them has died of COVID. I’m going to go ahead and tell myself that that is a good sign.

    I know a couple of people like that as well. But one of them has continuing lung dysfunction. Can’t ascend stairs farther than a few steps without waiting to catch his breath for a full minute.

  459. @That Would Be Telling

    I’m only searching for my handle in a discussion like this

    casing pearls

    Indeed.

  460. Possumman says:
    @El Dato

    It is just Chronic Fatigue rebottled and relabeled–same vague symptoms–same depressed women getting it—it is just the same old BS with a new scary name

  461. theMann says:
    @Thoughts

    It, if you dont want to catch it, eat right and exercise in the sun.

    Or, lock everybody down. It is almost like weight gain and a lack of sun are some sort of….. conspiracy.

    Or, hit up those 97% effective vaccines. It is not like they giving people serious illnesses, plural. That would be a kooky…….. conspiracy

  462. Corvinus says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    Sounds wonderful on paper, but you have yet to offer a cogent step by step plan on how to achieve this noble goal. The details are left out. How do you convince literally hundreds of millions of Americans that they should immediately endear themselves to this “21st century Westphalia”? Besides tha apparent benefits, what are the potential cons, short-term and long-term, of this arrangement?

    See, what happens is that highly intelligent individuals who create such notions from a theoretical side have major problems articulating its implementation. They seem to get enthralled with their own creation in the abstract, but when asked to flesh it out in the concrete, they struggle mightily.

  463. Corvinus says:
    @Bert

    “I point out that you could have engaged my suggestion posted here in March, 2020, that the best policy was to protect the elderly rigorously and encourage everyone else to get infected as quickly as possible. That would have avoided both economic damage and evolution of increased virulence.”

    You say this as if it is a fact. How do you know with absolute certainty? How would you gone about convincing people who opposed your “solution” that you are completely right?

    • Replies: @Bert
  464. res says:
    @obwandiyag

    I think Desiderius is using “flush niacin” to mean NOT “no flush niacin” which you see used fairly often.

    Niacin has three forms.
    https://www.stlukes-stl.com/health-content/medicine/33/000335.htm

    Vitamin B3 is one of 8 B vitamins. It is also known as niacin (nicotinic acid) and has 2 other forms, niacinamide (nicotinamide) and inositol hexanicotinate, which have different effects from niacin.

    Typically “no flush niacin” is one of the latter two forms (which as noted, do not have the same effects). So Desiderius meant nicotinic acid which often causes a flush with high doses. There is also a time release version of nicotinic acid which is supposed to reduce flushing. Not sure if that would fall in Desiderius’ “flush niacin” category or not.

    P.S. Niacin flush isn’t really a symptom of niacin “overdose.” More just something (which can be uncomfortable) which happens to some people with high doses. Some consider the flush therapeutic (e.g. part of it is opening capillaries near the skin which supposedly helps removing waste products). Much more on the niacin flush.
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/niacin-flush

  465. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “LOL. If you’re not as elderly or comorbid as you are with your Ashkenazi mutational load…”

    What is it with certain posters here like yourself who are obsessed with directly labeling or inferring that their ideological opponents are Jews? Is this how you act in a court of law on cross examination?

    “the coronairus is the flu”.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/curbyourenthusiasm-l2RnudaRyTAW6xDnW

    ‘And the “vaccine” is about as effective as the flu vaccine, i.e., a coin toss.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “I suggest you start lifting and tanning”

    Yes, and yes. For decades.

    “Otherwise, good bye and good riddance. We all have to die some time.”

    Doesn’t God determine it?

    “You are WEAK, Coronavirus.”

    That’s worthless and weak, Neidermeyer. When using iconic phrases as a comeback, make sure it is stated exactly, lest you lose effectiveness in its zing. The more you know…

    “I bet you don’t even lift weights.”

    Let me guess. This is your version of pumping iron.

  466. HA says:
    @John Johnson

    “Yes but overdoses and drug/alcohol use massively increased.”

    I’m not sure where you’re getting your alcohol death figures. As for drug overdoses, their “massive” increases amounted to 27K, and also note that for the last few years there has been a rise of about 6500/yr deaths in overdoses due to the rise of fentanyl and other synthetics. Have the very same individuals who are now suddenly weeping copious crocodile tears about rising OD death rates been faithfully sounding the alarm for the national catastrophe of rising fentanyl addiction over the last five years, which cumulatively took out even more people? I have my doubts.

    Moreover, how many of those suicides are due to COVID itself as opposed to the lockdowns? The very fact that suicides have also gone up among brown people , according to the NYTimes, a group that COVID has hit harder as well, means you’re going to need to factor that out as well. In other words, the “we just don’t know” creative accounting that people like Mike Tre want to use to save their losing arguments are a double-edged sword that work just as well against them.

    Regardless, we’re left with the fact that the excess dead from COVID amount to hundreds of thousands (again, we’re talking excess death figures, so if you want to pretend that changes in PCR tests or coroners misclassifying motorcycle deaths as COVID are the main reason for that, save it for your echo chambers because it won’t sway me).

    In other words, well over ten times that excess suicide death toll.

    • Agree: utu, Dissident, Not Raul
    • Replies: @utu
    , @John Johnson
  467. res says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Can you give any more information on that plot? The article is paywalled. I have a great deal of trouble trusting a plot where the change in risk is exactly the same across all age groups. I would expect both statistical noise and reality to create some variation.

    P.S. Huh. Hit a paywall with the link in that earlier comment, but a link from Twitter went through. I’m not seeing anything useful beyond the graph statement: “Source: FT analysis of data from Public Health England.”

    • Replies: @vhrm
  468. res says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Great. So not only do we have died with/of Covid now we have hospitalized with/because of Covid. I wonder if people who think nonsense like this is justifiable in a good cause really understand the impact of the resulting loss of trust.

    • Replies: @utu
  469. HA says:
    @Desiderius

    “Not in the military.”

    As for increase in suicdes among the military, from what I could find the 25% increase amounted to about 120 extra dead (actually it was bout 30 extra dead for the last quarter of 2020, but I’m annualizing).

    To give that a little more perspective, we can compare that to the military/DoD deaths due to COVID itself (as opposed to simply playing a part in the suicide):

    24 military deaths
    11 dependent deaths
    211 civilian deaths
    71 contractor deaths

    The same article claims the number of veteran dead from COVID amounted to 10,971 deaths.

  470. @Intelligent Dasein

    . . . .Darwinian evolution does not occur at all, as I have amply demonstrated before. . . .

    Would you please either elaborate, or at least link to your demonstration of this. BTW, I’m not being snarky. I’m just curious.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  471. @Dieter Kief

    The CDC is very adept at manipulation of the Dead. The underlying rationale is that causes of death can, apparently. take some time to be finalized. Thus for say weekly reports they take the “expected deaths” – a number previously calculated based on prior year levels and trends, for the relatively steady state morbidities and adjust (their phrase “Normalize”) the actual data they receive. So if 20% of those dying of pneumonia tested positive for covid and were reported as such, the 20% shortfall in pneumonia deaths would be normalized and voila, you have excess deaths,
    I saw an extensive piece last year from a Florida reporter who stumbled across this and did all the legwork of tracking the number of corpses actually toe-tagged and those reported for a lengthy period of time.
    I did not, of course bookmark the piece and a most cursory look doesn’t find it.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  472. epebble says:
    @Travis

    Delta is more powerful than 2020 strains. Current daily death rate midsummer is 300 per day for a population of 100 million unvaccinated. It is predicted to climb to 4,000 per day by October.

    Coronavirus Updates: US could see 4,000 deaths per day by October

    NEW YORK (WABC) — Some experts say the U.S. is on track to see 4,000 deaths per day by October. That’s prompting new vaccine mandates across the country.

    It comes as cases climb in 49 states and the highly contagious Delta variant threatens to overwhelm hospitals.

    https://abc7ny.com/covid-case-increase-coronavirus-cases-usa-50-percent-unvaccinated-americans/10911669/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  473. So, if Steve has read through all the comments, as have I, he has learned that this thing is or is not a serious health threat about which we can or cannot do anything and need or need not do something. We should or should not bother to wear masks indoors or outdoors in crowds or alone.

    I remain utterly and proudly confused.

  474. JimDandy says:
    @utu

    Are they using different methods to determine what a death “from” Covid is?

  475. Ganderson says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It was a Trans-Am Mr Newman.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  476. vhrm says:
    @res

    I would expect both statistical noise and reality to create some variation.

    Had the same reaction but looking closer it’s a bit more irregular than just two parallel lines that it first looks like.

    Much of the noise is obscured because it’s a semi-log graph so +100%/- 50% which would normally be huge would hardly register here.

    • Replies: @res
  477. @That Would Be Telling

    “Everyone in the US should know multiple people who got a mRNA vaccine and have observed that they’re fine after 1.5-2 months. Therefore I’m only searching for my handle in a discussion like this”

    My 103-year-old grandma died two months after her second Prick from a large blood clot in her abdomen.

    My father’s mentation has declined precipitously since he got the double-penetration Prick, including chronic confusion and irrational rage and paranoia.

    My girlfriend’s father’s mentation is declining precipitously post-Prick, including chronic irrational rage and olfactory hallucination – he constantly smells foul odors that aren’t present.

    Do not let President Trump’s little prick anywhere near your body – it is a poison. Tell your boss at Pfizer, Mr. Twat Would Be Shilling.

  478. res says:
    @vhrm

    Had the same reaction but looking closer it’s a bit more irregular than just two parallel lines that it first looks like.

    I did a triple take. Those were my first two. Then I realized that there is variation from linear in the top line. My sense is the lower curve follows the upper curve (i.e. the blue arrows are exactly the same length). Are you seeing something different? Try grouping the points (e.g, 4/3/3/3) and compare the linear sub-trends. Reproduced the image after the MORE to make reference easier.

    It is admittedly hard to judge precisely. Numbers would be much better (part of my skepticism is the lack of numbers, details of their analysis, or links to the source data).

    Much of the noise is obscured because it’s a semi-log graph so +100%/- 50% which would normally be huge would hardly register here.

    That’s a good point. Thanks. I noticed the log y axis, but did not think through that implication.

    That said (and your observation does make the results more plausible), I still think there is an issue. The tick marks are powers of 10 and fairly far apart visually. A power of two is 30% of the distance between tick marks. I think we would see that.

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  479. Bert says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL. You assert the most absurd stuff without backing it up. But to humor you: You are possibly aware that economies of many countries contracted substantially because of lockdowns and social distancing. If not, consult this https://www.brookings.edu/research/explaining-the-economic-impact-of-covid-19-core-industries-and-the-hispanic-workforce/.

    If infection of 60% of the American or any country’s population had been encouraged when viruses of the original strains were predominant, then herd immunity could have been achieved in two months. This obviously would require exactly the opposite governmental policy to what was imposed on us. Instead of fear porn, a government pursuing this approach would have subsidized infection, would have paid a bounty for a positive antibody test. Under this policy there would have been no lockdowns (except of nursing homes, the elderly living independently and those with compromised immune systems) and no social distancing. The economy would have proceeded normally except for some reduced discretionary spending by the elderly.

    As to avoiding increased transmissibility/virulence, you probably can understand that there is such a parameter as mutation rate. It is a function of both time and the number of individuals that are copying nucleic acids for reproduction. Regarding SARS-2 the number of individuals (virions) reproducing cannot be controlled because everyone on Earth will get infected eventually under the current policy of using neutralizing, rather than sterilizing, vaccines, or at least most individuals if a country follows a policy like Sweden’s. But a rapid infection of enough of a country’s population to achieve herd immunity would have shortened the time during which virions could be mutating from years as we are facing now to months as would have been possible back in early 2020.

    If you wanted to make an actual critique of my proposal, it would be that America is full of fatsos who might not have had sufficiently mild infections to avoid hospitalization. As someone who has the same waist size that I did in high school and more muscle, I would say that’s their problem. They could have stayed home for a month, dieted and worked out before entering the Covid circus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  480. utu says:
    @Dieter Kief

    “mortality in 2013 and 2015 was higher than mortality in 2020” – This might be so but mortality in 2020 was higher than mortality in 2016, 20017, 2018 and 2019 and this is what matters. When you want to detect the excess deaths you look at the preceding year or two. Why didn’t he state clearly how much more 2020 morality was than 2019 and 2018?

    If you had a heart attack at 55 would you think it is just OK because your great-grandfather had heart attack at 55 or would you become really concerned because your father had no heart problems till he was 70 and so dying at 55 is rather premature for you.

    The fact that Pietro Vernazza frames the issue as he does is a clear indication that he is attention seeking who wants to controversial and go against the grain. When he denies that he provides a fodder to the anti-vaxxers rants he lies.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  481. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “you guys who have been telling us for years that nothing the media or government says is true” – Apparently you have believed them whoever the “you guys” are and it damaged you for life.

    The level of willful ignorance is astounding.

  482. @Thoughts

    Covid is a psychosomatic illness caused by media suggestion.

    Ok then why are there people in the hospital that thought it was a hoax? How would it be psychosomatic if they didn’t believe in it?

    Most people by this point know someone that has been hospitalized that didn’t take it seriously. I have a neighbor that was air lifted because his condition was so bad (over 100k bill total) and my wife has a co-worker that gave it to her anti-vax dad.

    The rural conservative (former) anti-vaxxers that keep ending up on CNN are an embarrassment. Get the shot already.

  483. @utu

    utu I like arguments, but I don’t like ad personam attacks, esp. from anonymi, btw.
    Sankt Gallen virologist Pietro Vernazza’s argument here is, that there is a known bandwidth of numbers of deaths in Switzerland. The definition of a pandemic is, that the normal amount of deaths is left – way behind. But there is nothing like that to be seen here.
    I can tell you, Pietro Vernazza supports vaccination. But opposes that those should be obligatory.
    In Swiss hospitals and schools (grammar schools were open all the time except for a few days of extra holidays last spring) everybody is free to get the shots – or the shot (Ueli Maurer, a well-respected Swiss Bundesrat (=minister) of the federal government declared, that he won’t take more than one shot. – That was ok. It is also ok if a headmaster or a schoolteacher or whoever – a doc in a clinic, says that he does not want a shot.
    The Swiss have this idea, that the government should do, what they (T)tell (hehe) them to do – and not the other way round. This is how they secure their freedom as Swiss citizens: They tell the government what to do. Last winter, experts and ministers preferred to close down skiing. But people – said no – let’s go skiing and – see what happens. And they did – and – nothing bad happened. People felt good and healthy. – It is always clear, that these things are experiments and have to be watched carefully, btw. – to learn – for the next season.

    • Replies: @utu
  484. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    One of the few sensible comments on here.

    I think I’d be more depressed by the nature of the commentariat these days (and I think it’s largely a right wing phenomenon). Seems like what passes for the right are happy to beat their chests about how manly and risk taking they are wrt COVID, yet would not carry a placard on the street about immigration let alone become a public figure the way our host has done. They have bravado about facing a virus and yet won’t take a vaccine for it (despite a history of taking many vaccines in childhood mostly).

    Unfortunately those in power are a bit like the boy who cried wolf, they have pissed their credibility down the tubes in various ways so now COVID comes along and there is immense distrust.

    Keep doing what you are doing Steve, analyzing things with characteristic intellectual honesty. The world has gone mad it seems, and with it much of the right now (the left having been pretty bonkers for a long time). Keep yourself safe.

    Ron Unz too, keep fighting the good fight, you and Steve are both heroes of mine.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  485. utu says:
    @HA

    Suicides went down by 5% in 2020. And yes there were post covid sucides:

    ‘Dawson’s Creek’ writer Heidi Ferrer commits suicide after contracting COVID
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/17/dawsons-creek-writer-heidi-ferrer-dies-by-suicide-after-getting-covid/

    Ferrer was “bedridden and in constant physical pain” in May due to long-term symptoms of the virus, including severe neurological tremors.

    “In my darkest moments, I told my husband that if I didn’t get better, I did not want to live like this. I wasn’t suicidal, I just couldn’t see any quality of life long term and there was no end in sight,”

    • Thanks: HA
  486. @Verymuchalive

    “The measures taken by governments around the world to deal with it have been grossly disproportionate, draconian, grotesque and unnecessary.”

    That is true but we should always quantify. And the only sensible way to quantify is with Quality-Adjusted Life-Years lost not ‘deaths’. Measured thusly the government reactions are causing at least a hundred times the damage, and probably much closer to a thousand times, than doing almost nothing.

    Could somebody please point me to the cost/benefit analyses, carried out by governments, on the various possible reactions to ‘the virus’? My guess is that only Sweden and maybe Tanzania and a very few others did any rational thinking at all.

  487. BB753 says:
    @Bert

    “anti-depressants, anti-androgens”
    That’s new to me! What kind of anti-depressants? Are transexuals on anti-androgens protected?

    • Replies: @Bert
  488. @The Anti-Gnostic

    We need to end this failed experiment.

    Ain’t gonna happen. When was the last time the US government admitted it was wrong? When was the last time the US government told the truth about some contentious matter? I haven’t detected the USG telling the truth about anything since before Reagan. I think that it is possible that Carter might have once or twice told the truth, but do admit that I can’t remember on what.

    Oh and Reagan was certainly a traitor. He made a deal with Iran(via Bush) illegally to supply Iran with arms if they held the hostages until he was elected. They did, and he did.

  489. utu says:
    @Dieter Kief

    The definition of a pandemic is, that the normal amount of deaths is left – way behind. But there is nothing like that to be seen here.

    Pietro Vernazza is misleading in how he talks about mortality rates. You need to look at 2019 and 2018 and forget about what was in 2015, while all he brings back is 2015 to diminish what happened in 2020 and you continue to be a flake stating that there is ” nothing like that to be seen here.”

    A first analysis of excess mortality in Switzerland in 2020 (June 17, 2021)
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0253505
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.14.21253551v1.full.pdf

    The standardized mortality rate was 8.8% higher in 2020 than in 2019, returning to the level observed 5–6 years before, around the year 2015. This increase was greater for men (10.6%) than for women (7.2%) and was statistically significant only for men over 70 years of age, and for women over 75 years of age. The decrease in life expectancy in 2020 compared to 2019 was 0.7%, with a loss of 9.7 months for men and 5.3 months for women.

    In absolute numbers, this represents an increase of 7877 deaths (6013 after standardization) compared to 2019. Mortality has increased by 4.6% compared to years 2015-2019, and only by 0.8% compared to years 2010- 2019, while it has decreased by 1.9% compared to 2015, and by 6.8% compared to 2010.

    In 2020, Switzerland had the 21st highest mortality rate due to COVID-19 among 156 countries with a population of at least one million

    Note that their excess deaths estimated are very close to their official 2020 covid deaths total.

    The numbers could have been lower if the Swiss were more strict with schools, skiing and so on.

  490. @Altai

    Australia has operated normally through most of this because of that. Ditto for New Zealand.

    Bullshit I live in New Zealand and talk to people in Australia, by phone and Skype, every single day. Neither country has operated remotely “normally. Hundreds of thousands of young lives have been destroyed for naught. The NZ economy has been devastated; it is running on borrowed and printed money. The bill hasn’t arrived yet but it will. Inflation is rampant and will get even worse.

  491. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    A meaningless test gives meaningless results. – Mr. Anon

    PCR tests are inflating the number of cases. -Mr. Anon

    So which is it? (1) PCR tests are meaningless producing some random numbers that would not correlate with infection rates or do you believe that (2) PCR tests have a significant false positive component but correlate with the true infection rate?

    If (1) how do you explain that the time series of PCR tests does not have, say, a white noise pattern but has a clear smooth functional behavior that smoothly goes up and dow in a very wide range and correlates with symptomatic diagnoses and after a lag is removed with mortality.

    If (2) then how big is the false positive rate that would significantly affect the number of case? Try to come up with a number looking at these data.

    Here is daily time series of Total Number of Tests and % Positivity in New York State:

    https://forward.ny.gov/percentage-positive-results-county-dashboard

    How do you explain the data within your (1) and/or (2) beliefs, that you have adopted very early in the pandemic probably after ZeroHedge and reading of what Kary Mullis allegedly said few years ago about HIV? 12-16 months later you haven’t subjected this belief to any verification an continue communicating with memes that have been planted in your mind. Would you agree that traits of laziness, lack of curiosity and credulity adequately describe your personality?

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  492. Western says:

    Here is an open letter to the UK govt by some doctors criticizing the Covid response. It is good.

    It mentions how bad it is to try to vaccinate children with an experimental vaccine to maybe protect adults when adults should be protecting children. The whole response by almost every govt has been a disgrace.

    https://www.covid19assembly.org/doctors-open-letter/

  493. utu says:
    @res

    “impact of the resulting loss of trust” – Do you think that Mr. Anon has any spare trust left? Did he ever had any? He is on a constant hunt to confirm his bias that we live in a matrix where we are being lied about everything all the time. He formed his belief that everything about covid is a lie and a hoax 18 or so months ago and will stay on the course regardless of what is out there in the real word.

    Yes, it matters for statistics and for estimates of vaccine effectiveness in preventing hospitalization who was in hospital asymptomatic yet with covid and who was there because of manifestation of covid symptoms. Among those who were admitted for different ailments and turned out to be covid positive some will stay longer because their covid may take turn for worse.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  494. @Dumbo

    Perhaps one day we will look back on this as an extraordinary period of mass hysteria.

    What you mean “we” white man? I’ve looked on this as mass hysteria since early April 2020, when we saw the Diamond Princess numbers. A nothing-burger then , a nothing-burger now. Below my comment asserting such.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/fighting-the-worldwide-war-on-death/#comment-3827540

    PS I’m 80 years old so in the alleged ‘very high risk’ category but have no worries about “the virus” but huge worries about the destruction of young people’s lives including those of my children and grandchildren.

    • Agree: BB753
  495. res says:
    @utu

    I was referring to loss of trust by people in general. Not Mr. Anon in particular. Though if he is as lacking in trust as you say you might consider some possible reasons for that.

    I think we basically agree on this part.

    Yes, it matters for statistics and for estimates of vaccine effectiveness in preventing hospitalization who was in hospital asymptomatic yet with covid and who was there because of manifestation of covid symptoms. Among those who were admitted for different ailments and turned out to be covid positive some will stay longer because their covid may take turn for worse.

    But I consider the lack of clarity in the statistics being gathered a serious red flag that we are being played.

    A good start would be clarifying for all of these new “cases” how many people were symptomatic at the time of their positive test result. And with what severity of symptoms.

  496. JimDandy says:

    “Just 0.9% of all Covid deaths had zero comorbidities.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  497. @JimDandy

    What percentage of Americans have zero comorbidities?

    It’s a sizable percentage but hardly a huge one.

    It’s important to remember that “comorbiditiy” does not mean, as I used to assume, “co-cause of death.” Instead, it means, basically, ailment, such as high blood pressure.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @res
    , @Clyde
  498. @Snej

    “At what point does the world start getting pissed at the CCP and hold them accountable?”

    That would be utterly mad as “the virus” was created by the US in one of its 30 – 200 bio-warfare labs, probably Ft Detrick. it was taken to Wuhan by the US Military Games team that stayed in an hotel a few hundred metres from the “wet markets’. Note the hotel was many kilometres(25?) from the main games venue and the village where the other teams stayed. Why was that if not to let the team spread “the virus” to “the wet markets”(which was one of the earliest centres of infection)?

  499. Michelle says:

    Eureka! I have found it. Listen to old podcasts of Click and Clack, the Car Talk Brothers! An African American guy once called in with a question and told them that if someone didn’t find joy in them, there was no joy in them. Two brilliant, MIT graduates. politically incorrect, ( a few mentions of the few ladies attending MIT during the time they did) and totally fun. Full of great stories. Just joyous! The great story they told about interior painting and having no light and trying decide if they should twist the wires to a single hanging lightbulb. I don’t want to spoil it. Listen and love!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Marty
  500. I don’t know if this will cheer you up, but you have to realize that the Chinese people are being told that RESTRICTIONS in China are no big deal because there are RESTRICTIONS everywhere.

    Pretty sweet revenge for the CCP, which is bad, but if it makes a billion people happier than they were ……

    So at least a billion people are getting something good out of this.

    Seriously, though, if the spread of the coronavirus was not only promoted by certain people (we all know who they are and they ain’t all Chinese) but also invented by a subset of people, the truth will actually come out one day, so that should cheer you up too.

    A few months of forcing people to wear dehumanizing masks based on mediocre and lying scientists is an event. Year after year of it is not an event, it is a change in history, and something that will not be tolerated by freedom loving people, so the outcome will be good.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  501. JimDandy says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Right. I’ve heard that 60% of Americans have zero comorbidities, that not all comorbidities are created equal when it comes to Covid deaths, and that a huge percentage of those dying “of” Covid had multiple comorbidities. The video is worth a watch. It includes a chart titled “Not So Bad Comorbidities”. (Obesity is not on that list.) The factor that matters the most is age. Young, healthy people are not dying of Covid. Very few middle aged, healthy people are dying of Covid.

  502. Anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    ”.. some will stay longer because their covid may take turn for worse.“

    Well, unless they don’t have their covid passport, in which case they would be turned out of the hospital.

  503. @PennTothal

    If the only benefit of vaccination is to prevent severe illness (which is extremely rare in pediatric cases anyway) and not to prevent transmission, then the rationale to vaccinate children disappears.

    That is the only claimed benefit. There is no chance of eradicating ‘the virus” therefore there should be no compulsion or attempted coercion concerning the “vaccine”. It is criminal to even permit general vaccination of children(specific at risk children excepted) as the benefit is greatly outweighed by the risk.

  504. Steve, here’s a positive article putting into perspective the statistics weighing you down, which will hopefully assist you out of your slump into the slough of despond: https://www.smh.com.au/national/doing-the-maths-on-astrazeneca-20210727-p58d81.html

    The point of Liam Mannix’s articles of late are to help in visualising what exactly is the risk of the vaccines compared to the disease itself: https://www.smh.com.au/national/worried-about-astrazeneca-me-too-the-way-we-think-about-risk-might-be-the-problem-20210720-p58beh.html

    You should do a similar series: how to think about risk and ut it into a context e can relate to our lives.

    And Table 3 here is the crux: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721859/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721859/table/Tab3/

    What are my chances of catching COVID-19?

    Over enough time, your chances of catching COVID-19 rise to about 100 per cent.

    The good news is that your chance of dying from covid is 0.75%. Compare that to your chance of dying from suffocating under a collapse of the clothes in your cupboard being 0.043%. Good news hey?!

    But I don’t think any amount of these stats is ever going to make you feel better no matter how good the analogies for comparisons get. What I prescribe for you is to go to one of your many fantastic local breweries there in California and get yourself a case of some American style amber ale (or maybe several six packs of a variety of styles, some stout, some IPA), some bottles Ozzie grenache shiraz mourvedre (Stump Jump is a good cheap one), get yourself a bottle of great gin like 4 pillars and make some negronis for the mrs. Get out of your clothes cupboard and into the front yard, in the sun, crack those beers and put on some music, have some fun mate!

    And the clincher is that when you wake up with a throbbing headache, parched mouth, and cringe-back-flashbacks of the ridiculous things you said last night, the things you might have done, the revelations of some hidden desire or thought, and the overwhelming sense of yourself as a borderline piece-of-shit, all your worries about covid will be gone for the day as you battle through the very real gloom of a hangover; something tangible yet metaphysical which will transcend you from this mortal coil.

    Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  505. res says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The white paper linked at the bottom of this page gives a pretty good look at the impact of comorbidities.
    https://www.ajmc.com/view/contributor-links-between-covid-19-comorbidities-mortality-detailed-in-fair-health-study
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/asset/Risk%20Factors%20for%20COVID-19%20Mortality%20among%20Privately%20Insured%20Patients%20-%20A%20Claims%20Data%20Analysis%20-%20A%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf

    I thought Figures 14 and 15 were especially interesting. They show sample size and mortality rate for 0/1/2/3/4/5 comorbid conditions for all COVID-19 patients and those under 70.

    Figure 8 has mortality odds ratios for each condition in patients under 70.

    Unfortunately they do not include high blood pressure or obesity in their analysis. Those are the ones which really drive down the “no comorbidities” population.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @JimDandy
  506. Cato says:
    @S. Anonyia

    I agree. It seems like a lottery, with the probability of getting it conditional on genetic endowment. There was some research suggesting that East Asian populations had some immunity and that South Asians were particularly vulnerable. An acquaintance who died from it looked like she had a lot of American Indian ancestry (though we never talked about it). Perhaps the high incidence among Mexican-related Latinos has something to do with American Indian ancestry (though it obviously also has to do with very large households and high labor force participation).

  507. @HA

    “Yes but overdoses and drug/alcohol use massively increased.”

    I’m not sure where you’re getting your alcohol death figures. As for drug overdoses, their “massive” increases amounted to 27K, and also note that for the last few years there has been a rise of about 6500/yr deaths in overdoses due to the rise of fentanyl and other synthetics.

    Before posting a wall of text read what I said carefully.

    I said nothing about alcohol deaths.

    Overdoses were 93,000 with a 29% increase and yes I would call that massive.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drug-overdose-deaths-2020-coronavirus-pandemic/

    In 2019 our overdose rate was about 10x that of European countries like Germany.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/how-germany-averted-opioid-crisis-n1068286

    27k is about the average attendance of an MLB game.

    So yes adding a stadium of overdoses is massive. Most people would agree.

    • Replies: @HA
  508. utu says:
    @res

    In the first link first panel in Exhibit 1: Patientes diagnosed with Covid-19, 51.71% had comorbidity. and 48.29% had no comorbidity. Doesn’t it answer the equation “What percentage of Americans have zero comorbidities?” or at least suggests that comorbidity prevalence could be as high as 50%.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  509. This is kinda important. I’m sorry its long, but please read through. I think it adds something.

    From the CDC website, Principles of Epidemiology:

    “Vaccine efficacy or vaccine effectiveness
    Vaccine efficacy and vaccine effectiveness measure the proportionate reduction in cases among vaccinated persons. Vaccine efficacy is used when a study is carried out under ideal conditions, for example, during a clinical trial. Vaccine effectiveness is used when a study is carried out under typical field (that is, less than perfectly controlled) conditions.
    Vaccine efficacy/effectiveness (VE) is measured by calculating the risk of disease among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons and determining the percentage reduction in risk of disease among vaccinated persons relative to unvaccinated persons. The greater the percentage reduction of illness in the vaccinated group, the greater the vaccine efficacy/effectiveness. The basic formula is written as:
    Risk among unvaccinated group − risk among vaccinated group / Risk among unvaccinated group
    OR: 1 − risk ratio
    In the first formula, the numerator (risk among unvaccinated − risk among vaccinated) is sometimes called the risk difference or excess risk.
    Vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is interpreted as the proportionate reduction in disease among the vaccinated group. So a VE of 90% indicates a 90% reduction in disease occurrence among the vaccinated group, or a 90% reduction from the number of cases you would expect if they have not been vaccinated.
    EXAMPLE: Calculating Vaccine Effectiveness”

    Well, we can’t go any further until we have calculated Risk. So let’s back up and see what Risk is.

    “Risk ratio
    Definition of risk ratio
    A risk ratio (RR), also called relative risk, compares the risk of a health event (disease, injury, risk factor, or death) among one group with the risk among another group. It does so by dividing the risk (incidence proportion, attack rate) in group 1 by the risk (incidence proportion, attack rate) in group 2. The two groups are typically differentiated by such demographic factors as sex (e.g., males versus females) or by exposure to a suspected risk factor (e.g., did or did not eat potato salad). Often, the group of primary interest is labeled the exposed group, and the comparison group is labeled the unexposed group.
    Method for Calculating risk ratio
    The formula for risk ratio (RR) is:
    Risk of disease (incidence proportion, attack rate) in group of primary interest Risk of disease (incidence proportion, attack rate) in comparison group
    …….
    EXAMPLES: Calculating Risk Ratios (Continued)
    Example B: In an outbreak of varicella (chickenpox) in Oregon in 2002, varicella was diagnosed in 18 of 152 vaccinated children compared with 3 of 7 unvaccinated children. Calculate the risk ratio.

    Risk of varicella among vaccinated children = 18 ⁄ 152 = 0.118 = 11.8%
    Risk of varicella among unvaccinated children = 3 ⁄ 7 = 0.429 = 42.9%”

    But we really don’t care about the ratio, we just need the risks. So, to calculate effectiveness, (from above)

    “The basic formula is written as:
    Risk among unvaccinated group − risk among vaccinated group / Risk among unvaccinated group

    VE = (42.9 − 11.8) ⁄ 42.9 = 31.1 ⁄ 42.9 = 72%

    So, the vaccinated group experienced 72% fewer cases than if they had not been vaccinated.

    Okay, so far so good, right? Simple ratios. But there is something more afoot here. The same ratios may be expressed by different numbers. For example, today it is claimed that the Covid vaccines have an efficacy in the neighborhood of 95%. (this is a lab result and does not depend upon real world data. It is efficacy, not effectiveness, as defined above. But let’s set this aside and move on to a more important point!) The number itself is meaningless. Here’s why.

    Let’s set up our scenario like this. 100 unvaxed persons were exposed and 100 came down with the disease. 100 unvaxed persons were exposed and 5 came down with the disease. The equation would look like this:
    Risk among unvaccinated = 100/100 = 1 or 100%
    Risk among vaccinated = 5/100 = 0.05 or 5%
    So, Effectiveness would be,
    VE = 100/100 – 5/100 / 100/100 = .95 or 95%
    Wow. Of one hundred people who weren’t vaccinated, 100 were infected. That’s terrible!!!!!!!
    But wait. This equation yields the same 95% effectiveness.
    Let’s say 100,000 unvaxed persons were exposed and 100 came down with Covid. Of 100,000 vaxed persons who were exposed, 5 came down with Covid.

    So, 100/100,000 – 5/100,000 / 100/100,000 = .95 or 95% effective.

    In the first case, the number of unvaxed persons who came down with the disease was 100 out of 100. In the second, it was 100 out of 100,000. Yet the vaccine had the same effectiveness. The absolute difference is incredible. Only one out of 1000 persons in the second scenario came down with Covid.

    The “effectiveness” is just a ratio. It tells us nothing about what’s really going on in the world around us. “Efficacy” tells us even less since it is derived from a lab experiment. Without knowing the absolute numbers, the “efficacy” is meaningless–and that is by design. A high number like 92 or 95 percent is designed to assuage and comfort us. More like hoodwink us.

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” Ike

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  510. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    He is on a constant hunt to confirm his bias that we live in a matrix where we are being lied about everything all the time.

    Not at all. I think we are being lied to – substantially lied to – about this pandemic. There is a lot of evidence to that effect.

    It’s odd – the very same governments you think lie to you all the time about things like humans landing on the Moon or 911, you credulously believe when they overtly try to rob you of your liberty.

    Yes, it matters for statistics and for estimates of vaccine effectiveness in preventing hospitalization who was in hospital asymptomatic yet with covid and who was there because of manifestation of covid symptoms. Among those who were admitted for different ailments and turned out to be covid positive some will stay longer because their covid may take turn for worse.

    That is beside the point. They are using these admissions – many of which had nothing to do with COVID – to goose up the COVID numbers.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  511. JimDandy says:
    @utu

    I’m assuming that people who are very sick with Covid are more likely to get diagnosed with it than, say, people who are asymptomatic?

    • Agree: utu
  512. JimDandy says:
    @res

    Not including obesity in their analysis is kind of ridiculous.

    So, the mortality rate for 50-59 year old Covid patients “without a comorbidity” is 0.55%, BEFORE factoring in obesity?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @res
  513. Not Raul says:
    @Not Raul

    I tried to cheer you up, Steve. Did it work?

  514. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    So which is it? (1) PCR tests are meaningless producing some random numbers that would not correlate with infection rates or do you believe that (2) PCR tests have a significant false positive component but correlate with the true infection rate?

    It’s a largely meaningless test when used with a high Ct, as it often has been.

    Do you claim that it isn’t? That a Ct of 40 is just fine?

    How does anyone know the true infection rate, if it is determined by a test with a high false positive rate? Of course clinical diagnoses serve as a guide, and when those are up, more people get tested (due to the clamour) and you get more positives (many of which are false).

    They very fact that they hand out test results without citing what Ct they used demonstrates how unscientific the whole thing is. This may come as a shock to you: most medical personnel are not scientists. They have little to no more idea how science really works that does an insurance salesman.

    By the way, since you casually throw out insults with your posts, I’m happy to reply in kind, you simpering idiot.

    • Replies: @utu
  515. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    The general consensus I see is that Ivermectin is more effective/anti-Covid than Hydroxychloroquine. Of course both are taken along with a few additional supplements such as zinc. Ivermectin is what people are talking about.

  516. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    What percentage of Americans have zero comorbidities?
    It’s a sizable percentage but hardly a huge one.

    For American adults under 60 my guess is 40%-50% have no comorbidities or have one comorbidity that is not at a serious level.

  517. @I, Libertine

    This was published by the now defunct Audacious Epigone blog as a guest piece here on this site, but I like the formatting on my blog a little better.

    http://intelligentdasein.blogspot.com/2020/05/alt-wrong-paradigms-id-contra-hbd.html

    • Thanks: I, Libertine
  518. @Steve Sailer

    Any chance of releasing my five comments that are stuck in moderation? Or just delete them and I’ll know to not waste my time here any longer.

    TIA

  519. @That Would Be Telling

    Florida and Texas are big medical CO-19 experiments – do you have any numbers about those? Vaccination rates? Differences in immunity compare to – California, or any other lockdown state?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  520. @JimDandy

    Not including obesity in their analysis is kind of ridiculous.

    Could it be that obesity is ignored because blacks are – on average – more obese than others? – I remember a statistic from last spring that showed that over 50% of CO-19 patients on ventilators were obese blacks. – Or is this the snowflake part in the usual mentality – do not mention anything that somebody could take personally?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  521. @Pat Hannagan

    Carl Gustav Jung used to say that there is a spiritual part connected to alcohol. – And that is not only the high-spirits part but also the suffering part after the fact – not least because alcohol – when overdosed – makes it so vividly clear that the overshooting part and the suffering part are so clearly connected. – – – –
    Myths entail loss, suffering, – – – and the ultimate form that there is to that part of the human experience – – – – The End (the d-word…).

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
  522. JimDandy says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I know that not only is “fat-shaming” verboten, but aggressive pro-fatty propaganda seems to be required–you know, media outlets showing pics of morbidly obese women with headlines like “This is heathy!” But you’re probably right–the fact that so many blacks are fat is probably a big reason why the huge connection between obesity and Covid deaths is being underreported. If the government and health organizations put the same amount effort that they put into their mask campaigns and directions to stand 6 feet apart into Covid weight-loss campaigns, they might have actually saved some lives. I know the former black surgeon general tried once to directly address his people about how they might fight Covid by living healthier, and he was savaged.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  523. @lavoisier

    Viruses don’t want to kill people, they want to live off them. So if humans block the more lethal variants from spreading, the virus responds by creating less lethal, but more contagious variants.

    Steve should follow the stats, not the media headlines. The medical stats say fewer people are dying, but all the lying media can go on about is “surging cases” and “deadly new variants.”

    No doubt there were new variants in 1918, 1957 and 1968, but back then the media didn’t bang on about them.

  524. @Steve Sailer

    Thanks Steve, appreciate it.

  525. JimDandy says:
    @Alt Right Moderate

    Any thoughts on “leaky” vaccines, and the idea that they can turn the vaccinated into shedders who are extremely dangerous to the unvaccinated?

  526. And the Israel and UK data suggests that the vaccines don’t work quite as well against the current Delta variant from India as they had against the original and previous variants.

    Hopefully, they mostly still keep you out of the hospital.

    But what if they don’t?

    LOL… “they mostly still keep you out of the hospital”.

    They do not outperform “being under 70” in terms of “keeping you out of the hospital”; they underperform “having zero comorbidities”.

    For the record, as I pointed out back in April, Pfizer’s own evidence is that the jab reduces risk of ‘severe’ COVID from a rounding error to a smaller rounding error (i.e., from fuck-all to 0.05 times fuck-all)…

    In the biggest clinical trial to date (Pfizer NCT04368728) some 99.96% of the 18,198 vaccinated participants didn’t develop COVID-19 symptoms, whereas 99.12% of the 18,325 un-vaccinated participants didn’t develop COVID-19 symptoms. Pfizer’s acclaimed vaccine, despite assessment of 95.03% efficacy (a measure of relative rather than absolute risk), thus made a difference of just 0.84% within the study population.

    Bear in mind that the 1-0.04/0.88 (which is where the 95% ‘efficiacy’ claim comes from, is generated in a way that is utterly agnostic as to age and comorbidities.

    It’s now been noticed that there is a a strong link between age and prior probability of infection with COVID19 (that is, infection with SARS-nCoV2 that is sufficient to cause symptoms collectively known as COVID19). The older, the more likely to get symptoms – and yet less than 1% of all unvaccinated people in the study got infected.

    This has you losing sleep? Are you seriously that unwell?

    Also…

    If you’re concerned that the ‘jabs’ don’t confer protection to new strains… why would you expect otherwise, when the flu jab has to be reformulated every time the expected dominant strain changes? Are you placing some trust in the pronouncements of Pfizer, AstraZeneca and the rest of them, despite their known criminal history? If so, WHY?

    But there’s good news: you might have noticed that they have stopped referring to the ‘Delta’ strain as ‘lethal‘, and have started hype-ing its transmissibility (referring to it as ‘hyper-transmissible’ or some equally alarmist-but-empty title).

    That’s because 99.9% of people who have been detected to have contracted, it fail to die.

    That’s straight from the Public Health England Technical Briefing about ‘variants of concern’; see Table 2 on page 8: the CFR for Delta is 0.1%… it’s just the ‘flu, bro.

    It’s worth noticing that ‘people who have been detected’ is a subset of all people who become infected, because most people who get infected recover fully without ever exhibiting symptoms (or presenting themselves for testing).

    It’s looking like the survival rate is about 99.97% for ‘normies’ (unvaccinated people under 70 with no comorbidities – the main comorbidity being hyperinslinaemia and metabolic syndrome).

    Face it Sailer: you been had, bro. They got you scared, and you bought their pup.

    Just don’t ever get caught advocating for the ‘mandatory jab’ – because you know that’s coming, and if you go there you might as well join the Ibram X Kendi fanclub, because you will have completely abandoned your critical faculties.

    Note that the Phase III trials do not finish until January 2023. That’s the trial designed to establish longer-term safety and efficacy. Ask yourself if even a completed Phase III is worth spit, given that Celebrex, Vioxx and Lipitor all passed – and all are now understood to kill more people that they save.

    Then notice that Pfizer and their RICO co-conspirators will all try to end the Phase III trial early, on the basis that the results are so good that it would be unethical to withhold the jab from the control group.

    As if these vermin have any understanding of what ‘ethical’ means.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @anon
  527. @Dieter Kief

    Carl Gustav Jung was right.

    But it takes a special sort of ethnic insight to understand English descended sprogs and what might motivate.

    In the case of Steve we know he’s adopted, brought up in a Catholic milieu by an adoptive father with a fond embrace of English Enlightenment Values*

    The English aren’t motivated by a feeling for collective goodwill but are contrary built pretending that in their vice is virtue, and that the more they leech off the descended collective goodwill the better they are individually and collectively.

    They’re in a self-justifying loop.

    *100% conjecture to enable a video clip

  528. @Ganderson

    Thanks, Mr. Ganderson. I even went back and forth in my head on this. (I couldn’t remember if it had an air dam on the rear.)

  529. @JimDandy

    If the government and health organizations put the same amount effort that they put into their mask campaigns and directions to stand 6 feet apart into Covid weight-loss campaigns, they might have actually saved some lives.

    Besides, Jim, it’s kind of hard to stand 6 feet apart anywhere but a gymnasium when each of you is 6 feet in diameter.

  530. @ThreeCranes

    Thanks for taking the time to do this.* It teases out the important distinction between relative and absolute risk that I first saw in a comment by Kratoklastes summarizing the Pfizer study, and have since reposted several times, including again in this thread. (Mr. Sailer’s retort in May was, in so many words, that over time the virus would infect enough additional people that using the Pfizer product entailed less risk. But he didn’t calibrate that assumption, or reflect on the history and science of viral disease.)

    There is an arguable position for these experimental treatments. But if someone won’t or can’t grasp your comment, they’re not honest or intelligent enough for a worthwhile discussion.

    ———

    *I’m pretty sure that there’s a mistake (understandable, given the length) in what you wrote, though

    Let’s set up our scenario like this. 100 unvaxed persons were exposed and 100 came down with the disease. 100 unvaxed persons were exposed and 5 came down with the disease.

    that you might want to fix.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Greta Handel
  531. @Greta Handel

    Yup. That’s a mistake and I saw it after the edit window had closed. Just figured that others would see it and process it–just as you did–because the math overrode it. Thanks for pointing it out; now I don’t have to. And thanks for your considered comment.

  532. @Greta Handel

    And there’s Kratoklastes himself, upthread at (?) #545!

    The spastic moderation of this blog really does waste a lot of time and effort.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  533. @Charles Pewitt

    As a number of other commenters and bloggers on this site have pointed out, rising home prices do not make the lot of us wealthier. How could they? They are a inflexible cost of living. If the price for a home rises, we have less money in our pockets to spend. What Bernanke is peddling here is the notion that the illusion of wealth will give enough people the blithe confidence to go forth and spend more (of their increasingly-constrained-by-rising-cost-of-home-buying loot) on consumables, thereby stimulating slack demand which will result in more hiring which will empower more consumers to spend more money into the system ad circularum (?!).

    Of course, the newly employed will need houses too. This will bid up the price for homes even more. Will their wages cover the cost of a home? Unlikely. Which is what we’re seeing in many markets today. Their solution is to build more “affordable housing”, as they call it. But how can this be done when the underlying value of the land is jacked up by the rise in real estate prices? Places like San Francisco and Seattle, with space in which to expand severely constrained by surrounding lakes, bays and mountains, simply have no further land to develop. The cost of home buying in such places cannot go down. The lower class is driven out of the market and the result is the homeless camps that plague these cities. So, the unintended consequence of the “rise in wealth” of the general population due to rising home prices is that those very cities are made unlivable. With customers scared away by the squalor on the sidewalks, small businesses go bankrupt or move to the wealthier, healthier suburbs. The well-to-do pack up and move out.

    I suppose, ultimately, with the abandonment of those city centers by the taxpaying portion of our population, that demand for downtown real estate will slacken and prices will fall far enough to make it possible for government to tax the suburbs and house the indigent in the empty spaces left in the wake of the exodus. Downtowns will become shitholes. Big homeless camps. What a great way to run a country.

  534. @Kratoklastes

    You’re one of the mist worthwhile contributors to this discussion.

    Note that the Phase III trials do not finish until January 2023. That’s the trial designed to establish longer-term safety and efficacy. Ask yourself if even a completed Phase III is worth spit, given that Celebrex, Vioxx and Lipitor all passed – and all are now understood to kill more people that they save

    .

    At least one other commenter, in apparent good faith, has been saying “mid-2021.” Which didn’t sound right, but I never said anything.

    I may now track him down and raise the point.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  535. @Greta Handel

    “The spastic moderation of this blog really does waste a lot of time and effort.”

    Amen to that. It makes conversation virtually impossible. The quip, the one liner–and, admittedly, many of them are brilliant–gets the nod. And this makes sense inasmuch as Steve says he publishes comments at his whim. Recall, he was employed in some kind of market research and if research shows one thing it is that to move a product (in this case, his blog) one needs to capture the public’s attention with a catchy phrase. The public has little tolerance for lectures. Rapier-like wit is more in fashion. To be fair, many of the commenters here are well informed and very good writers. But a comment section formula more like Discus moves things up the road faster–though maybe things can get derailed more readily as well. Who knows? Maybe Steve has researched this too and this is the compromise he has struck.

    Or maybe things are as he says they are, governed by his whim. Now that reminds me, Plato said that by definition, whim cannot be said to govern, because whim implies that there is no specifiable cause and what is not caused cannot be subject to Law and since to govern is to impose Law then Steve’s vetting is not even under his control and he himself is the Slave-to rather than the Master-of his own blog–huh? What? I’m doing it again? Oh, sorry.

    • Agree: Dissident
  536. Mr. Anon says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Everyone in the US should know multiple people who got a mRNA vaccine and have observed that they’re fine after 1.5-2 months.

    I know multiple people who got COVID, and did not die from it. I don’t know anyone who has died from COVID.

    And there are numerous accounts in the news of people dieing FROM the vaccine. The number now is several thousand, despite the CDC softpeddling it.

  537. @Dieter Kief

    Florida and Texas are big medical CO-19 experiments – do you have any numbers about those?

    That’s not really my thing, I’d first ask @utu if he knows about what you’re asking or if he can point you in the right direction.

    Note this sort of thing is fairly hard, for example you have to account for demographics, diseases don’t care that “race is a social construct,” although I’ve heard unreliability that Florida’s numerous elderly did not die at rates that might be expected, perhaps even before you factor in the five or so Democratic governors in states way to the north who explicitly implemented Final Solutions to the Medicaid Problem by placing infected people in nursing homes. Which the DoJ just announced won’t be investigated in Michigan or Pennsylvania, here’s the very unreliable ZeroHedge on that, although they provide a link for Pennsylvania.

    This also speaks to why the handling of the pandemic in the US is such a mess, people with eyes to see notice the people responsible for this get rewarded or ignored, while our ruling trash cannot say enough bad things, predict enough bad outcomes that done come to pass about Florida’s governor.

    To speak to my strengths, it’s my limited understanding we don’t have a good handle on this novel disease, particularly what causes morbidity and mortality except at the highest statistical levels. For example, contra what a lot of Floomers claim, comorbidities or what they claim are people “with one foot in the grave,” or “with only a month’s life expectancy” or one year’s, we’ve seen plenty of examples where these people have mild or asymptomatic cases, and ones with low risk profiles that have had very bad outcomes.

    Real SCIENCE!!! can be slow with theses sorts of hard problems, but is generating interesting data. In another interesting paper I read the abstract of, small numbers of children were examined and it was found their innate immune systems were really effective in ways that would or should mitigate infections, which could help explain one of the most curious facts about COVID-19, it largely passing over them, which is not for example true for influenza.

  538. @James Bowery

    That was the 30 years war option. A relentless protean pandemic that punishes the entire planet until it submits to protective sequestration was of course my plan all along, but who would have believed me?

  539. @Mike_from_SGV

    Actually, the unvaxxed will catch the Delta strain, which is less lethal for them than for the vaxxed who contract it, due to vaxx-induced ADE.

    National IQ will be raised by the Darwinian IQ test masquerading as a “vaccination” programme.

  540. @Anon

    @That Would Be Telling

    One of the few sensible comments on here.

    Thanks!

    I think I’d be more depressed by the nature of the commentariat these days (and I think it’s largely a right wing phenomenon).

    Agreed. In words and actions, this is the worst self own by the Right that I’ve experienced since Watergate. And that was focused on a single flawed man, this is today’s Right demonstrating their inability to parse what you describe next, to understand science at the high school biology level, and letting all see their selfish sociopathy.

    These are personal defects, not something I can see widespread recovery from. Compare to the decade or so it took for Republicans to largely recover just before the 1984 Presidential election when it was “Morning in America.” Which required some harsh and painful “medicine” like sky high interest rates to bring inflation under control (which in all fairness, along with a lot of deregulation started with Carter, but Reagan continued these good things he did).

    Unfortunately those in power are a bit like the boy who cried wolf, they have pissed their credibility down the tubes in various ways so now COVID comes along and there is immense distrust.

    People who make it clear they want you stone cold dead are rightly distrusted and there’s no possible way they can make themselves “credible” in the way you mean towards their targets, and there are even more who aren’t visibly that extreme but obviously wish the worst for us. But too much of the Right views the autoconspiracy of the Left as a monolith, cannot discern there are many factions in it, including many who don’t organize their identities and lives around their political affiliation. So they can’t distinguish between our public health authorities who haven’t cared about infectious disease control for a long time and that shows, and Team Vaccine which is still deadly serious about their deadly serious domain.

    Keep doing what you are doing Steve….

    Seconded. I’ve largely stopped commenting due to previously mentioned reasons as well as an attack of Real Life that just ended, but I continue to find his postings to be valuable, amusing, etc.

  541. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Ask yourself if even a completed Phase III is worth spit, given that Celebrex, Vioxx and Lipitor all passed – and all are now understood to kill more people that they save.

    Once upon a time I had a problem that my sawbones elected to address with the then-new-thing Vioxx. He was just following what was considered to be good practice at the time – he is conservative in the medical sense, doesn’t grab handfuls of new samples, has been known to counsel against elective surgeries, etc.

    Vioxx seemed like a good idea at the time to both of us. Then the fatalities hit the press. Since then I’ve become much more skeptical of “latest ‘n’ greatest” products from DrugCo, and more prone to do my own research both before and after consulting Dr. Sawbones. As you note, a Phase III test just means more money was spent, and maybe some more data was gathered – but you might not get to see it.

    My attitude towards the last 18 months has partly been informed by that experience. I don’t care if someone rants and rages in a combox, I don’t care if pretty middle aged drug reps were charming to my country doctor, I don’t care if DrugCo did a yuge ad buy on CNBC and a sports channel. Nope. I want facts, with numbers, and that has been in short supply during this plague.

    The out right lying from Fauci on down has just been the icing on the mushroom cake. I have a personal, visceral reaction to being lied to, especially by figures of much self-importance.

    Thus while I have much sympathy for iSteve, and maybe some empathy, the facts are all that matter. Namecalling and gaslighting are not facts, too bad they’ve been in such abundance on so many online fora, especially this one.

  542. @Alt Right Moderate

    Viruses don’t want to kill people, they want to live off them. So if humans block the more lethal variants from spreading, the virus responds by creating less lethal, but more contagious variants.

    The former is true by definition, but the latter is a rule of thumb and perhaps more true over the long term.

    This is the first pandemic by a novel viral pathogen (that a lot of us believe is not entirely of natural origin, be it a Wuhan nominally civilian lab or an evil Western biowarfare one) that’s occurred since we got good handles on relevant disciplines, starting with the very acceptance of the germ theory of disease (which more than a few on the Right deny…). Who knows exactly what happened when animal rinderpest became human measles sometime in the 5th to 15th Century? These disciplines including epidemiology, and unfortunately the application of that tells us the latter claim hasn’t turned out to be the case for the Alpha variant, and the earliest results for Delta are saying the same thing for lethality.

    These variants successively bind better to human ACE2 receptors, and that is assumed to give them their successively better transmissibility and greater lethality. In terms of ecology, one could for example see someone expiring more quickly from them, but infecting more people before that point and thus achieving the virus’ “goal” of creating more viruses.

    This perhaps has to do with the assumed mechanism by which these variants arose, not external ecological selection pressures, but competition inside a single individual’s body who didn’t throw it off quickly. We can hope as “enough” people get natural and vaccine immunity the circulating variants will become less lethal per the rule of thumb, but we won’t know that for some time.

    • Replies: @anon
  543. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s a largely meaningless test when used with a high Ct, as it often has been.

    Do you claim that it isn’t? That a Ct of 40 is just fine?

    What does “meaningless test” mean to you? I have asked you before.

    Look at some data: On June 10 in NYS 130,071 samples (people) were tested of which 480 (0.37%) tested positive. Presumably the 130,071 – 480 who tested negative had Ct pushed high and yet results were negative. Are all these negatives ‘meaningless’ results? Are you then claiming that actually there was more than 0.37% positives in NYS? If so you no longer believe that the tests inflate the infection rate but the opposite that in this case they could have deflated it.

    Does data from NYS support your belief that RCT test inflate infection rate?

    The 0.37% rate of positive results on June 10 on large N=130k sample is the indication of the upper bound on the probability of false positive. The false positive rate of the PCR tests as administered and practiced in NYS is not higher than 0.37%. One could look at the 480 people who tested positive on June 10 and subject them to further tests and other diagnostic evaluations and possibly some of them would indeed turned out to be positive, say 200 of them. Then we would revise the upper estimate of the probability of false positive from 0.37% down to 0.18%. But it is possible that the true probability of false positive is much lower.

    Now when you look at January 7 when N=243,903 people were tested and 7.7% (18,832 people) results were positive wouldn’t it be reasonable to conclude that 7.7% is at least 95% accurate: 100*(1-0.37/7.7) and on April 5, 2020 when 46.7% tests were positive the results was 99% accurate?

    Floomers and anti-vaxxers seem to be like children in a perpetual tantrum who refuse to face the reality to snap out from their psychosis. At some point they absorbed some toxic false information that contributed to the catastrophic outburst beyond which they can’t process new information. They are the victims of few memes. You keep spouting the memes of “meaningless tests”, ” “Ct=40”, “inflated infection rate” for last 18 months. No once you tried to reject and reconsider and look deeper at the issue. Not once you looked at data from tests like the ones I am showing you here form New York.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  544. @Bert

    Steve’s response has been puzzling to say the least. The inability to see the big picture — namely, that the government/media response to the virus is far more dangerous than the virus itself — is not something I would have expected from him.

    He needn’t go far in order to find thoughtful, persuasive counter-narrative analysis, as Unz’s own Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir, Gilad Atzmon, and Paul Craig Roberts have been doing so for a long time.

    Oddly, it’s the HBD writers (Sailer, Karlin, and James Thompson) who have bought into the fear porn the most.

    • Agree: BB753
  545. @Greta Handel

    “4.3 hours ago”

    whimmed again

  546. @utu

    Floomers and anti-vaxxers seem to be like children in a perpetual tantrum who refuse to face the reality to snap out from their psychosis. At some point they absorbed some toxic false information that contributed to the catastrophic outburst beyond which they can’t process new information. They are the victims of few memes. You keep spouting the memes of “meaningless tests”, ” “Ct=40”, “inflated infection rate” for last 18 months. No once you tried to reject and reconsider and look deeper at the issue. Not once you looked at data from tests like the ones I am showing you here form New York.

    That paragraph is a keeper.

    But I wonder if you’re making the unwarranted assumption a lot of them have the IQ or math talent and/or skills in using math necessary to understand let alone make an analysis like you just did here.

    Our host is a HBD maven, and it’s clear the cognitive abilities of a lot of the Floomers and anti-vaxxers are low. See the people who don’t have the reading comprehension necessary to understand a clear statement to the effect that “This test we got a FDA EUA for at the dawn of diagnostics for COVID-19? We’re withdrawing it.” And somehow they turn that into the CDC repudiating RT-PCR testing altogether, and getting to your themes, of course don’t have the curiosity to read the first sentence of the following paragraph: “Visit the FDA website for a list of authorized COVID-19 diagnostic methods….” And follow that link and drill down one level to this page and enter “PCR” into the search text box and you’ll get no less than 202 items. Quite the repudiation.

    Just a little curiosity and some quality time with a search engine would reveal to them a whole lot about what’s going on, if they were so inclined and were also capable of understanding anything more complicated that a top line claim about testing. Of course if Mr. Anon as you say has a “bias that we live in a matrix where we are being lied about everything all the time” there’s really nothing that can be done. He’s got a lot of company, one wonders how they get through their daily lives when so many also don’t have the ability to learn from personal experimentation. How can they decide what to eat for breakfast?

    And let me commend you for continuing to cast light on these issues, your ornery nature is not without its benefits.

    • Thanks: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Mr. Anon
  547. Bert says:
    @BB753

    fluvoxamine (anti-depressant)

    spironolactone (acne drug)

    • Thanks: BB753
  548. Interesting numbers coming out of Britain. Infections over the past few days have been dropping. Models were indicating that infections should have increased significantly but are declining. Interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks now than the UK has opened its borders to some tourists and dropped most restrictions.

  549. res says:
    @JimDandy

    Not including obesity in their analysis is kind of ridiculous.

    Agreed. Which is why I was explicit about them ignoring both obesity and high blood pressure.

    Does anyone have similar quality data which includes obesity and/or high blood pressure?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Dieter Kief
  550. JimDandy says:
    @res

    Not only is that a good question, it’s one of the most important questions. I’m going to go ahead and assert that if you’re under 70 and have no SERIOUS comorbidities, your odds of getting infected and then dying OF Covid are not significantly greater than dying of the flu.

    As people are fond of saying these days, prove me wrong.

  551. Art Deco says:
    @epebble

    It isn’t. We have the data from Britain and other loci.

  552. @Mr. Anon

    There was a really long thread on slatestarcodex in ~ april 2020 where they eventually reached a majority agreement although far from consensus:

    yes Fauci is a lying sack of camel dung
    it’s a noble lie because the stupid rabble cannot handle the truth

    In other words pretty much same old story.

  553. HA says:
    @John Johnson

    “So yes adding a stadium of overdoses is massive. Most people would agree.”

    I nowhere said that it wasn’t massive so do your own careful reading before hectoring me on mine. I only pointed out that the 27K which the increase amounted to — and which I myself noted, and which you didn’t refute — is a small fraction of the overall COVID death toll.

    As bad as whataboutism is in general , the various “but what about all the suicides?” attempts to pretend that the spike in deaths we’ve seen over the last year is comparable to (or can in any way be explained by) suicide or overdose increases (see the thread here for one of the more recent and more lame attempts to do that) is even worse. The same goes for the implicit but unsubstantiated claim that any such increases must exclusively due to lockdowns as opposed to COVID itself.

    There’s massive, and then there’s massive. I’m perfectly willing to address suicide or drug overdoses if that’s a genuine concern to anyone. But trying to use that as some kind of stick to prove or disprove anything about lockdowns is pointless given the relative proportions.

    • Replies: @utu
  554. Corvinus says:
    @Bert

    “LOL. You assert the most absurd stuff without backing it up.”

    What is absurd is your statement. I am acutely aware of the financial implications on cities and businesses from COVID-19. But you are stating unequivocally that had we “protect(ed) the elderly rigorously and encourage everyone else to get infected as quickly as possible, that would have avoided both economic damage and evolution of increased virulence”. That is an assumption on your part. There would be significant disruption to our economy by way of individuals getting sick and staying home from work? Hospitals would be overrun with patients. Companies would shut down. Essential services would come to a halt. All under the belief that herd immunity would be achieved through this plan.

    But why would people subject themselves to a virus that has the potential for long-term health implications? How would you have convinced them that herd immunity would be achieved at a substantial savings to our economy in the long-term? Is not subjecting individuals by government edict to a virus with the hope that herd immunity will be achieved both scientifically problematic and unethical? Is not your proposal expressing support for increased federal power by way of “subsidizing infection” a socialist policy?

    “if a country follows a policy like Sweden’s”

    Speaking of which…

    https://www.thelocal.com/20210426/today-swedish-pm-stefan-lofven-to-face-questions-over-coronavirus-strategy/

    https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)32750-1/fulltext

    • Replies: @Bert
  555. @Bill Jones

    Evidence-based medicine thus proposes to look at the hard endpoints.
    What they don’t mention in their discussion is something I ran into when I talked to a hospital priest in Germany in a small industrial town at the Swiss border – and when I talked a few days later to Swiss people about the same situation.
    The differences weren’t the experiences. The priest, who serves some 10 000 people, mentioned the one or two of those below fifty years of age, that had died in 2020- of/with Covid.

    The big difference was the approach of the Swiss, who simply said that they know their cemeteries and that there has not happened something strange at all in 2020.

    It simply did not occur to the German priest to ask himself this very question: Ok, you’ve encountered two deaths in 2020 that were somewhat unusual – but what about the years before? _ Was there any difference?

    The swiss do allow themselves to quarrel their brains with exactly this question. And the answer they have is that – heck: No. We had our occasional unusual death, but that was about it.

    Then there is something else that marks a significant difference between Switzerland and Germany: The Swiss had protected their vulnerable elderly with lots and lots of effective measures, that were not taken into consideration on the German side of the border. Like giving the elderly an hour a day in the grocery stores, in which they could shop without being bothered by a lot of other people – in order to improve their safety. They told them to avoid public transport – did not happen in Germany. They made tested the care home workers asap – nothing like that for a long time of several months before it finally happened here too.

    But what I did not understand for quite some time was, that the Swiss simply looked more into their cemeteries – and that they can indeed read those better than their German counterparts. – cemeteries as a very important and insightful chapter in our books of life.

    Now – in order to be able to read the cemeteries on a local basis, it helps, if you are no anywhere, but rather somewhere – which is – on average – more the case in Switzerland, than it is in southern Germany.

  556. Vaxxed or not?

    Bob Odenkirk hospitalized after collapsing on ‘Better Call Saul’ set

    Comedian and actor Bob Odenkirk was hospitalized Tuesday after he collapsed on the set of “Better Call Saul,” a source said.

    Odenkirk, 58, “went down” while filming in Culver City, California, TMZ reported, citing sources. He was still hospitalized Tuesday night, according to a source close to the actor.

    Source: https://pagesix.com/2021/07/27/bob-odenkirk-collapses-on-set-of-better-call-saul-report/?_ga=2.261014221.132828543.1627475749-2101680490.1626824284

    Judging by his Twatter feed, it’s likely he was vaxxed.

  557. utu says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    “cognitive abilities of a lot of the Floomers and anti-vaxxers” – I do not think the problem is that much in cognitive abilities. We are not dealing with very complex ideas here. Actually they can navigate through pseudo-scientific and para-scientific regimen of thought templates and patterns that frequently are ingenious and very skillful. They all aspire to scientism which is their main affinity to HBDism of Sailer. Thats’s why they are all over this place. Ron Unz tries to corral them to a limited extent but only because they interfere with his own project of spreading the meme “The US did it and I know how.”

    If they were Jehovah’s Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions or vaccines on the sole precept of their creed it would be bearable and unassailable. But the phenomena of the anti-establishment rebellion of chaos is in the ascending phase and in my opinion sooner or later it will have to be dealt with. Actually I am surprised that there is so little pushback in the main stream media and that they are not challenged more aggressively. Probably it is calculated as ignoring them is the best tactical approach but there is also the hubris of the intellectual and power elites. While in the minds of libertarians they are fighting the power of the government they always have been shills and useful idiots of corporatocracy and oligarchy. It is possible that the libertarian operation of chaos on the front of the pandemic was deployed to hasten the authoritarian reaction.

    The nature of the problem in the mind sof floorers and anti-waxers is chiefly psychological that causes some blockage and formation of ego defenses. In most case the formation of beliefs in a rudimentary form existed before (remember Alamo, remember 9/11) so they are primed to accept the memes and the talking points that which however are produced elsewhere. The question is where is the elsewhere? There are quasi think tanks of libertarian orientation related to business interests of various charlatans and moguls of alternative medicine like Joseph Mercola or the uber-libertarian Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) on the John Birch end of spectrum with Peter Mccullough. And then there is purposeful disinformation produced, planted and spread by foreign powers. It is well established that Kremlin was engaging in anti-vaxx propaganda during measles epidemics recently

    Weaponized Health Communication: Twitter Bots and Russian Trolls Amplify the Vaccine Debate (Oct 2018)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/

    and it’s doing it now:

    Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say (May 2021)
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200

    and still in 1980s with AIDS disinformation (see Operation INFEKTION).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

    “your ornery nature” – I realize that sometimes I show my temper and I know it is always counterproductive. This is because I perceive unrelenting ignorance in the face of indubitable evidence as a sign of impudence. I have egalitarian expectations so I am not happy with ignoramuses running around. Then I perceive floomer and anti-vaxxer propaganda as a sabotage or even aiding and abetting of enemies of our country.

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  558. I know 2 people who caught it. They were tired and had headaches for a week. That’s it. Back to life after that.

  559. res says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Even that is playing games. Read these two bullets carefully.

    – About 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a new study Monday.

    – Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

    Those two numbers aren’t comparable. One is for overweight and obese, one is obese only.

    You have to go into the body of the article to get a real comparison.

    Of those who were admitted, 27.8% were overweight and 50.2% were obese, according to the CDC report. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

    Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics.

    So we never do find out what proportion of the US population is overweight, and the obesity overrepresentation of 50.2% vs. 42% really isn’t that much given how much obesity has been hyped as a factor.

    This CDC page says 42.5% obese and 73.6% either obese or overweight (giving 31.1% overweight). So the overrepresentation is less than you would conclude from their numbers even if you read the whole thing.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm

    So hard to figure out what to believe. Do they teach anything besides misleading and lying in journalism school?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  560. Why are you getting depressed?

    Infected doesn’t mean sick. Lots of people get “infected” with flu and never show one symptom.

    Sick doesn’t mean debilitated. Sick doesn’t mean you’re going to die.

    Covid is now endemic – so what? This virus is bad for the old and the obese. If you are neither, you’ll shake it off.

    That’s what viruses do.

    The Democratic Party WANTS you to react this way. They will turn Covid into the Plague for as long as they can to justify mail-in ballots and other forms of coercive control.

  561. EdwardM says:

    What happens when they get to the Xi variant?

  562. Rob says:
    @Gary

    Rather than merely lol, I guess I will ask. What p