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The semi-official Governors Highway Safety Association released a report last month on traffic fatalities per 100,000 from 2015-2019 (thus leaving out the big increase in the black death rate that began in June 2020):

An Analysis of Traffic Fatalities by Race and Ethnicity

Whites appear to now be worse drivers than Hispanics, which is interesting. I can recall Thomas Sowell remarking many decades ago about how many Mexican-American males were killed drunk driving for macho reasons. (On the other hand, lady Latinos tend to be pretty meek and mild — e.g., they have quite low murder rates.)

The GHSA reports summarize some previous research back into the 1990s, which usually saw Hispanic males with high traffic death rates.

One methodological issues is that this is per capita not per mile driven. If per capita whites drive a lot more miles than Latinos, then whites might not be worse per mile driven.

It’s surprisingly hard to find estimates of Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT) per capita by race. But the Rand Corporation in 2013 said Hispanics drive the most VMT. Another graph from 2009 suggests whites drive more, but it’s pretty close.

So it looks like Hispanics have improved as drivers in recent years. Good for them.

In general, whites appear to be pretty bad drivers these days, almost as bad as blacks (at least before the Racial Reckoning) and worse than Hispanics. And the white vs. Asian gap is just terrible.

Do better.

 
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  1. How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Matthew Kelly

    @1 Matthew Kelley: I agree most women are poor drivers, but I must admit I've seen an equal number of men texting while driving as women. Now add in race, and we can narrow it down a bit. While I've seen White men and women texting while driving, the biggest abusers (and worst drivers) are Oriental and subcontinental drivers in America. Eternally on their phones and innately crappy drivers = danger. Keep far away.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Matthew Kelly

    Phone use was my first thought, too.
    The second was the ageing of the White population.
    As time goes by the bulk of whites are moving into their dotage, ( The Biden years) and are probably less safe drivers. Hispanic teens are moving into their safer driving twenties.
    It might be instructive to see the comparative aging demographics.

    , @J1234
    @Matthew Kelly

    I suspect you're correct - female inattention is likely a bigger explanation for poor driving among whites than male aggression. Women have this belief that they can multitask their way through any situation. They may have a slight advantage over males in their ability to multitask, but they way overestimate their ability to do so. I have twins - boy and girl - in their late teens. My son has been in no accidents, my daughter's been in three (albeit minor.)

    In my experience, though, elderly drivers of both sexes are a big problem too, even though older white drivers tend to be conscientious to make up for their age related lack of reflexes or situational awareness. Being behind them or trying to pass them can often be frustrating. I sometimes wonder how much old drivers induce other motorists to drive recklessly in an effort to get around them, and what effect that has on accident stats.

    , @Kaz
    @Matthew Kelly

    Is this a joke?

    Women don't get into deadly car accidents.. They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bragadocious

    , @Corvinus
    @Matthew Kelly

    How much of that is goddamn dads checking sporting apps on their phones while driving? Ban men from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

  2. Turn off the phone.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Que?

    , @S. Anonyia
    @AnotherDad

    Yes, but it’s also speeding. Whites are the worst speeders after blacks. Especially on the interstates.

    I’m in my early 30s and recall passing almost everyone on the interstate while going a mere 80 when I was 16-18 back in the late 2000s. Nowadays that’s just keeping up with the flow of traffic (might actually be on the slow side). Starting in my mid 20s I started refusing to ride as a passenger with my friends or their boyfriends/husbands because I noticed them driving so recklessly en route to the beach. I also refuse to be a passenger in my brother-in-law’s car for the same reason. I prefer to drive if I’m taking people anywhere, and the only person I’ll let drive me is my husband, or my parents if we need to get to the airport. Even my parents have caught the speeding mania, and they are in their 60s now and so are more easily distracted on top of it.

    Speeding culture kills unless you’re in an area with expert drivers like Germany or Utah. Southerners can’t drive, frankly. Not anymore.

    COVID has made the issue worse because not only do you have to be careful on the interstate, but also on city/suburban roads. I’ve noticed people not coming to complete stops before merging into busy traffic from side streets. Just aggressively pulling out in front of cars going 40-50 mph, consequences be damned. Kind of a devil-may-care attitude taking root.

    , @The Griffins
    @AnotherDad

    Exactly.

    So many people can't put their phones down for 5 seconds. At traffic lights you see their heads come up ( and most times their finger as well ) after you toot the horn.

    Put the phone down and drive.

  3. One methodological issue is that this is per capita not per mile driven. If per capita whites drive a lot more miles than Latinos, then whites might not be worse per mile driven.

    Yes, that’s one issue and there are many more. The kinds of miles driven, for example. Urban, rural, business, pleasure, etc. Time of day. Who’s driving what kind of vehicle? And these figures are accident victims, right? How does it skew the results when Africans aim their vehicles at whites? Don’t laugh if you haven’t lived around Africans.

    In general, whites appear to be pretty bad drivers these days.

    Right, especially if “pretty bad” means something like “better than average.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Polistra

    We only get ourselves killed on the roads 40% as much as American Indians do. We're Number Four!

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @John Mansfield
    @Polistra

    I was talking Sunday with a friend in New Mexico about a bad accident on the highway she was one of the first to arrive at between Kayenta and Shiprock a few hours earlier. It is 20 years now since I lived in the West, and it struck me how common incidents like my friend's are there compared with the East. High speeds on remote roads that are mostly pretty good, but far from help when someone messes up. People who think nothing of driving a couple hundreds miles somewhere, then turning around and driving back home that night.

    Maybe Hispanics in the U.S. are more Eastern and less Western than they used to be?

  4. Perhaps Hispanics didn’t want to risk being stopped and deported in the Trump era. More likely, they could afford to move closer to work. Around here, the vast majority of people living outside urban areas, where driving is faster and more dangerous, are white.

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Ralph L

    In my red state where the cops are safe from defunding, Hispanics are quite timid drivers. If a car in front of me is braking well before yellow or waiting for a full arrow indicator for a left turn, it’s either an Hispanic or a septuagenarian. I suspect they are fearful of harassment, although I suspect deportation of anyone these days is a dead letter.

  5. The report you linked includes pedestrian fatalities in ‘Total Traffic Deaths’ (it also breaks out pedestrian deaths in some other charts) which is a bit confusing. The clearest indications of the report are that drinking alcohol and walking around at night are major risk factors. Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here.

    Driver training is definitely worse now than years ago.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Veracitor

    "Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here."

    Sounds possible.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Veracitor

    "Freakonomics" reported that walking while drunk is especially dangerous.

    , @Feryl
    @Veracitor

    Wearing dark clothes while walking at dusk and post-nightfall (just because they feel like it, not necessarily any nefarious reason, bonus points for wearing a black hoodie with the hood up regardless of the weather) is regrettably common amongst youngish people. And they'll still do dumb things like crossing the street at dangerous times, or just lingering in the street too close to traffic.

    In general, just don't do stuff later at night if at all possible. Poor visibility, drunk idiots roaming around, and lowered impulse control seems to cause a lot of trouble to happen at night.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  6. Half those deaths have to be from swerving out of the way of Asian drivers.

    In seriousness, I imagine Asians disproportionately live in dense urban areas where they walk or take public transportation. Negative incidence with an automobile (eg speeding tickets, fender benders, etc…) were non existent for me the two years I lived downtown in a city and didn’t drive a car. Rural and suburban types should experience many more such incidents.

  7. OT. Amazon has announced that the oldest Kindle tablets are losing their internet connectivity. The upside? Amazon won’t be able to delete “inconvenient” material from your devices any more.

    https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/7/28/22598747/kindle-3g-network-shutdown-e-readers-no-internet

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Polistra

    I purchased the latest and greatest Kindle from Amazog, but never once connected it to my account or indeed any network at all. The device has been in airplane mode ever since I got it.

    I obtain all my books from Library Genesis and load them onto the Kindle with Calibre.

    Highly recommended.

    Note that while there are competing e-readers (e.g. Kobo, which I previously owned until it broke), other than specialist devices (like the large, expensive note-taking professional tools from Onyx) they are generally inferior.

    The only real downside of using the Kindle this way is they won't read .epub files, but it's trivial to convert .epub into .mobi or .azw3 using Calibre.

  8. Older population, too. Distracted 20-somethings are bad enough, but distracted 50+ is even worse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Redneck farmer

    That's right. Whites are an old and aging demographic, and old people are bad drivers. My own father in his 70s was recently in his first ever accident, completely his fault. It could never have happened when he was younger.

  9. Does this chart help to inspire any hypotheses about who might be driving more dangerously versus who might not be driving at all?

    Also, in most places in America, illegal aliens still are barred from getting licenses, causing many of them to take public transit or ride bicycles, instead.

    • LOL: Polistra, 3g4me
    • Replies: @FPD72
    @D. K.


    Also, in most places in America, illegal aliens still are barred from getting licenses, causing many of them to take public transit or ride bicycles, instead.
     
    What makes you think they don’t drive without a license? Three of the five members of my immediate family (I and two kids) have been hit in vehicle collisions by illegal aliens. Two of us suffered permanent injuries. In all instances the aliens were without license, registration, and insurance. The only compensation any of us received went to my son, who had completed Army boot camp six weeks before. He simply took the guy’s wallet, removed all the cash, and returned the wallet.
    , @AndrewR
    @D. K.

    Seven year old data so probably close to 70% now

  10. Who all is lumped in the category ‘White’?

    Do better

    Oh great, more preachiness along with calls for Covid lockdowns. These CivNats exist to make White Lives Misterable. White people don’t answer to you.

    These are the kind of people Steve thinks are just spiffy and need to preserved:

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jamie-lee-curtis-reveals-25-year-old-child-transgender-152626690.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @RichardTaylor

    Traffic fatalities make white lives miserable.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

  11. anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    Who could have guessed that the complete and total acceptance of and acquiescence to hip-hop being the default music of young people of all races might have negative consequences for the continued existence of civilization ?

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    What this even supposed to mean? Hip hop makes people bad drivers but "white music" doesn't?

    , @Jay Fink
    @anonymous

    Hip hop is actually less popular now than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

  12. Are Whites Now Worse Drivers Than Latinos?

    That depends. Are they women as well?

  13. @AnotherDad
    Turn off the phone.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @S. Anonyia, @The Griffins

    Que?

  14. @RichardTaylor
    Who all is lumped in the category 'White'?

    Do better
     
    Oh great, more preachiness along with calls for Covid lockdowns. These CivNats exist to make White Lives Misterable. White people don't answer to you.

    These are the kind of people Steve thinks are just spiffy and need to preserved:

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jamie-lee-curtis-reveals-25-year-old-child-transgender-152626690.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Traffic fatalities make white lives miserable.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Steve Sailer


    Traffic fatalities make white lives miserable.
     
    Duh. But not as miserable as CivNats have.
  15. @Polistra

    One methodological issue is that this is per capita not per mile driven. If per capita whites drive a lot more miles than Latinos, then whites might not be worse per mile driven.
     
    Yes, that's one issue and there are many more. The kinds of miles driven, for example. Urban, rural, business, pleasure, etc. Time of day. Who's driving what kind of vehicle? And these figures are accident victims, right? How does it skew the results when Africans aim their vehicles at whites? Don't laugh if you haven't lived around Africans.

    In general, whites appear to be pretty bad drivers these days.
     
    Right, especially if "pretty bad" means something like "better than average."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Mansfield

    We only get ourselves killed on the roads 40% as much as American Indians do. We’re Number Four!

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Steve Sailer

    Does anyone get killed while driving in a city? These measures must be especially confounded by which groups, per capita, drive a lot in the countryside. That and who is drunk while doing so.

  16. @Veracitor
    The report you linked includes pedestrian fatalities in ‘Total Traffic Deaths’ (it also breaks out pedestrian deaths in some other charts) which is a bit confusing. The clearest indications of the report are that drinking alcohol and walking around at night are major risk factors. Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here.

    Driver training is definitely worse now than years ago.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Feryl

    “Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here.”

    Sounds possible.

  17. @Veracitor
    The report you linked includes pedestrian fatalities in ‘Total Traffic Deaths’ (it also breaks out pedestrian deaths in some other charts) which is a bit confusing. The clearest indications of the report are that drinking alcohol and walking around at night are major risk factors. Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here.

    Driver training is definitely worse now than years ago.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Feryl

    “Freakonomics” reported that walking while drunk is especially dangerous.

  18. I suspect whites are more likely to be killed while bicycling. Mexicans and negroes bicycle too but tend to do it as basic urban transportation because they have no car or a suspended/revoked drivers license. Whites are the ones I see bicycling on arterial roads in those narrow bike lanes for ‘exercise’, i.e. on an expensive bike with spandex attire. I never read of multiple fatality bike accidents that do not involve white bicyclists out for exercise or on some long distance bike event.

    • Agree: CauCasiAnn
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    , @Charon
    @UNIT472

    What on earth leads people to believe that suspended or revoked licenses prevent people from driving? If they were the law-abiding type they'd still have their licenses.

    It's the same mentality that leads people to believe that making guns illegal will somehow stop criminals from using them.

    Has no one noticed that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns? And that every infamous traffic stop includes a "driving while suspended" charge, to go along with "unregistered vehicle" "expired tags" "no valid insurance" and on and on.

    I can't figure it, but people need to be reminded of this thing about criminals: they don't respect the law. The main difference in recent years is that the mass media are on their side now.

    Replies: @donut

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @UNIT472

    Right, UNIT! I don't have the stats, as there may not be any available on bike deaths on fast roads vs. cities, but this goes right back to the smart phone problem pointed out by the 1st commenter on here, Mr. Kelly.

    In the city, one usually has room to maneuver - up a driveway onto the sidewalk or whatever. Speeds aren't as high either. Those guys in spandex are moving along, often with no leeway on the right side. I would be scared shitless doing this kind of riding now, unless I were with a big bright (you know, that spandex) group of riders, say 10 or more.

    I was telling my boy this just yesterday: There are "drivers" who are looking outside the car only 1/2 the time, and often only using peripheral vision. You are at their mercy on a bike. It's not just texting, Matthew, but using the web for all kinds of things. "Hey, look at my friend's new spandex bike outfit here on FaceBook!" "Oh, I gotta LIKE this, like right now!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Frank the Prof
    @UNIT472

    I've taken up gravel road bike riding. Lot's of little traveled gravel roads here. Sometimes I never see a car in 25+ miles of riding. I have rear facing radar (Garmin) that ranks advancing drivers for aggressiveness. I've found the worst drivers to be going in/out of grocery stores.

  19. Sure. You measure a complicated phenomenon on a two-axis graph and assume if there is a trend it is meaningful. Welcome to the world of junk science.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, J.Ross
  20. A lot of whites commute up to 60 miles one way from the burbs to their white collar jobs in the city, whereas mestizos usually live much closer to their places of employment.

    Another big factor is mestizos take advantage of carpooling to a much greater extent than whites – I rarely see a a single mestizo male driving around anywhere throughout the day, unless he’s in a government vehicle or contractor vehicle.

    Next, I would be interested to know the breakdown of traffic fatalities related to DUI. I have read that in many traffic fatalities involving an impaired motorist, the drunk driver survives but the sober one doesn’t. so if drunk mestizos are crashing into sober whites, doesn’t that skew the numbers? (and yes I’m being biased)

    And much to the chagrin of our host Ron Unz, I will ask, how many mestizo traffic fatalities are incorrectly categorized as white? Good for a 10-15% swing I’d guess.

    I drive a truck in the Chicago area. In my personal observation the overall quality of commuter driving skills has declined across the board (a separate discussion).

    And after blacks, the motorist group I see behaving the most unsafely are the mestizos. But obviously that is purely anecdotal but I drive a lot more than the average gringo.

  21. As others have pointed out, a growing share of the white population is elderly. Another very large share is on drugs (prescribed and otherwise).

    It’s amazing how one can smell what other drivers are smoking these days… even on the freeway. The stench has been everywhere for the last couple of years.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Grumpy

    We smelled it on the airliner recently. It wouldn't bother me at all if it were the old-fashioned pot. This skunkweed is, well, appropriately named.

  22. @UNIT472
    I suspect whites are more likely to be killed while bicycling. Mexicans and negroes bicycle too but tend to do it as basic urban transportation because they have no car or a suspended/revoked drivers license. Whites are the ones I see bicycling on arterial roads in those narrow bike lanes for 'exercise', i.e. on an expensive bike with spandex attire. I never read of multiple fatality bike accidents that do not involve white bicyclists out for exercise or on some long distance bike event.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frank the Prof

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn’t got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Steve Sailer

    A New York Jets coach just died last week after a collision with a car.

    Enzi seems to have not collided with anyone. Presumably he wasn't wearing a helmet, since he was found unconscious, but the news articles don't say either way.

    Gillette, WY doesn't seem to be terribly hilly but I wouldn't be surprised if Enzi crashed on a hill. My aunt is five years older than he was and she rides her bike five miles a day but she lives in Fort Myers which is not known for hills.

    Replies: @Grumpy

    , @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Bicycle seats are bad for men’s reproductive and urinary functions.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    I almost ran over a woman bicyclist the other day; she was going the wrong way in the street, and I was looking left for traffic as I made my right turn. I am constantly confronted with cyclists who pedal any which way they want on sidewalks (where they often kill or injur pedestrians), streets, and bike paths, or who think they can pass you on the right while you are parking to the right, or who run lights and signs. The worst I encountered recently was the mother who pedaled ahead of her young child who could not be seen at his height and who had no flag signal he was alongside me, which is worse than those a**hole recumbent bicyclists who don’t flag themselves for safety since it is the parent who is the idiot.

    Most bicyclists are a**holes, and too many are too lucky and live another day to ruin someone else’s lives with their self-righteous stupidity.

    , @Bubba
    @Steve Sailer

    He was probably struck dead in a hit-and-run by a drunken Latino.

    Latinos are famous for hit-and-run automobile accidents which could have lowered their stats.

    , @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    It appears he just toppled over and fell without doing anything to break his fall. He broke his neck and three ribs. I'm gonna wager he had a TIA or a heart attack. He was evidently unconscious from the time they found him to the time he died three days later.

    , @Frank the Prof
    @Steve Sailer

    I've cycled about 200,000 miles since the 1970's. The only fatalities I know of are cyclists smacked by careless drivers. I'd encourage cyclists to use the little traveled gravel/dirt roads if they live in exurbs and rural areas. There are a lot nice bike paths on abandoned rail lines too.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Steve Sailer


    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn’t got much safer over the decades like cars have.

     

    All exercise should be done with someone else present, just in case something happens. And, outdoors, that something can range from a fall to a mugging.
  23. @UNIT472
    I suspect whites are more likely to be killed while bicycling. Mexicans and negroes bicycle too but tend to do it as basic urban transportation because they have no car or a suspended/revoked drivers license. Whites are the ones I see bicycling on arterial roads in those narrow bike lanes for 'exercise', i.e. on an expensive bike with spandex attire. I never read of multiple fatality bike accidents that do not involve white bicyclists out for exercise or on some long distance bike event.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frank the Prof

    What on earth leads people to believe that suspended or revoked licenses prevent people from driving? If they were the law-abiding type they’d still have their licenses.

    It’s the same mentality that leads people to believe that making guns illegal will somehow stop criminals from using them.

    Has no one noticed that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns? And that every infamous traffic stop includes a “driving while suspended” charge, to go along with “unregistered vehicle” “expired tags” “no valid insurance” and on and on.

    I can’t figure it, but people need to be reminded of this thing about criminals: they don’t respect the law. The main difference in recent years is that the mass media are on their side now.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Thanks: CauCasiAnn
    • Replies: @donut
    @Charon

    " If they were the law-abiding type they’d still have their licenses." Yeah right but I have worked with a lot of them and can see how easy it can be for someone who is law abiding to get on the wrong side of the law and the current system makes it very difficult to get right but very easy to get in more and more trouble . It's like an Ant Lions trap .

  24. Are Whites Now Worse Drivers Than Latino?

    Asians:

    Am we joke to you, Loundeye?

  25. @UNIT472
    I suspect whites are more likely to be killed while bicycling. Mexicans and negroes bicycle too but tend to do it as basic urban transportation because they have no car or a suspended/revoked drivers license. Whites are the ones I see bicycling on arterial roads in those narrow bike lanes for 'exercise', i.e. on an expensive bike with spandex attire. I never read of multiple fatality bike accidents that do not involve white bicyclists out for exercise or on some long distance bike event.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frank the Prof

    Right, UNIT! I don’t have the stats, as there may not be any available on bike deaths on fast roads vs. cities, but this goes right back to the smart phone problem pointed out by the 1st commenter on here, Mr. Kelly.

    In the city, one usually has room to maneuver – up a driveway onto the sidewalk or whatever. Speeds aren’t as high either. Those guys in spandex are moving along, often with no leeway on the right side. I would be scared shitless doing this kind of riding now, unless I were with a big bright (you know, that spandex) group of riders, say 10 or more.

    I was telling my boy this just yesterday: There are “drivers” who are looking outside the car only 1/2 the time, and often only using peripheral vision. You are at their mercy on a bike. It’s not just texting, Matthew, but using the web for all kinds of things. “Hey, look at my friend’s new spandex bike outfit here on FaceBook!” “Oh, I gotta LIKE this, like right now!”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I would be scared shitless doing this kind of riding now, unless I were with a big bright (you know, that spandex) group of riders, say 10 or more.
     
    Being in a group may not help. Recently a box truck plowed into a group of 20 riders near Las Vegas, killing 5. The (white) driver fell asleep at the wheel despite being on meth. Should have taken more meth I guess.

    https://www.bicycling.com/news/a34942688/cyclists-killed-las-vegas/
  26. @Grumpy
    As others have pointed out, a growing share of the white population is elderly. Another very large share is on drugs (prescribed and otherwise).

    It's amazing how one can smell what other drivers are smoking these days... even on the freeway. The stench has been everywhere for the last couple of years.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    We smelled it on the airliner recently. It wouldn’t bother me at all if it were the old-fashioned pot. This skunkweed is, well, appropriately named.

  27. @D. K.
    Does this chart help to inspire any hypotheses about who might be driving more dangerously versus who might not be driving at all?

    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/04/PH_2016-04-20_LatinoYouth-01.png?w=420

    Also, in most places in America, illegal aliens still are barred from getting licenses, causing many of them to take public transit or ride bicycles, instead.

    Replies: @FPD72, @AndrewR

    Also, in most places in America, illegal aliens still are barred from getting licenses, causing many of them to take public transit or ride bicycles, instead.

    What makes you think they don’t drive without a license? Three of the five members of my immediate family (I and two kids) have been hit in vehicle collisions by illegal aliens. Two of us suffered permanent injuries. In all instances the aliens were without license, registration, and insurance. The only compensation any of us received went to my son, who had completed Army boot camp six weeks before. He simply took the guy’s wallet, removed all the cash, and returned the wallet.

  28. All those bad numbers for Whites , Hispanics and Negros are because they’re trying to avoid being in an accident with the f**king Asian drivers .

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @RichardTaylor

    Traffic fatalities make white lives miserable.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    Traffic fatalities make white lives miserable.

    Duh. But not as miserable as CivNats have.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  30. Texting and driving should become a felony with a major enforcement campaign.

  31. Hispanic offenders are classified as white.
    Hispanic victims are classified as Hispanic.
    Our Woke government has only one objective–
    defamation and extermination of European-
    American Gentiles.

    Stevei, you’re in the center of the Bullseye!

    • Troll: Corvinus
  32. So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    • Agree: donut
    • Disagree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Charon
    @International Jew

    What do you mean? They drive 20mph, stop in the middle of the road, turn left from the right lane, practice tunnel vision and cause everyone else to wreck. Oh yeah, I see how it is.

    , @Wilkey
    @International Jew

    No, they’re bad drivers. They’re just bad drivers in ways that don’t get them killed.

    A few possibilities:

    1) Whites drive faster cars. If you see a beat-up old minivan or pickup on the road, it’s probably being driven by a Hispanic.

    2) Whites drive longer distances.

    3) The opioid epidemic and marijuana legalization, plus increased casual consumption of alcohol.

    4) Motorcycles. They’re about 100x more likely to get you killed, and I have a hunch they are far more popular among whites than among Hispanics.

    5) Remaining single and childless. Single and childless people consume more drugs and alcohol, and are more likely to drive after they’ve done so.

    But finally, white parents have given up. They have let the culture raise their children, and the culture grows dumber and more vile by the day. That culture encourages the kid of behavior that leads to increased traffic fatalities. White moms need to be more like Tiger Moms, but most white moms just want to be “cool.” Reminding their kids for the thousandth time not to speed is not “cool.”

    Replies: @Trinity

    , @donut
    @International Jew

    Whoops , I meant to hit disagree .

    , @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.
     
    A rock in the stream is unmoved by the water flowing around it. (Usually.)
    , @Mike Tre
    @International Jew

    I implore to view some of the car accidents viewed below (labelled "China") and tell me if you've ever seen whites do the things seen within them:

    https://leakedreality.com/videos/accidents


    Asians die less in the US because there are a heck of a lot less Asians here.

  33. Complete demographic cohorts collapsing around him as entire Western posterity is on the brink of disintegration, internet diarist, apparently not chained to a desk by a 21st century Jewish slaveowner, still posts irrelevant out-of-context minutia in vain attempt to set himself aside from the crowd.

    Medium is still the message.

    News at six.

  34. [MORE]

  35. @International Jew
    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    Replies: @Charon, @Wilkey, @donut, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    What do you mean? They drive 20mph, stop in the middle of the road, turn left from the right lane, practice tunnel vision and cause everyone else to wreck. Oh yeah, I see how it is.

  36. lady Latinos

    You could say Latinas. If you’re gonna go so far, go all the way.

    tend to be pretty meek and mild — e.g., they have quite low murder rates.)

    And low infant mortality.

  37. I almost hate to point this out, but there’s been a Renaissance in muscle cars the last six or seven years. Dodge has the Demon that is available with 700+ horsepower. I believe they are wedging a big V8 into the Jeep Wrangler this year as well, which sounds ridiculous.
    The Ford Mustang GT gets you 450 horsepower for around 35k.
    The same engine is available in the F150, though it’s de-tuned a bit.
    I wonder what numbers the Insurance companies have on deaths/model.
    I honestly don’t see a lot of these cars wrecked, but it’s a possible factor.

    • Replies: @danand
    @JMcG

    "Dodge has the Demon that is available with 700+ horsepower."

    JMcG , here is the latest ad by Dodge, released yesterday:

    https://youtu.be/HF4Vk1k_IPY

    Many Hispanics in the Bay Area do not carry insurance, and consequently, no license, in California. I have to believe this leads to more reserved on the road behavior. Slow, and low, seem to be more the the Hispanic norm. Both Black & White, are those exceeding 100.

    Around here, I see, follow, or am followed by, at least one "driverless" vehicle every time I venture out on the road during daylight. Shouldn't be too far out before lives lost to the "car crash" begin their steady decline.

    Replies: @JMcG

  38. @Achmed E. Newman
    @UNIT472

    Right, UNIT! I don't have the stats, as there may not be any available on bike deaths on fast roads vs. cities, but this goes right back to the smart phone problem pointed out by the 1st commenter on here, Mr. Kelly.

    In the city, one usually has room to maneuver - up a driveway onto the sidewalk or whatever. Speeds aren't as high either. Those guys in spandex are moving along, often with no leeway on the right side. I would be scared shitless doing this kind of riding now, unless I were with a big bright (you know, that spandex) group of riders, say 10 or more.

    I was telling my boy this just yesterday: There are "drivers" who are looking outside the car only 1/2 the time, and often only using peripheral vision. You are at their mercy on a bike. It's not just texting, Matthew, but using the web for all kinds of things. "Hey, look at my friend's new spandex bike outfit here on FaceBook!" "Oh, I gotta LIKE this, like right now!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    I would be scared shitless doing this kind of riding now, unless I were with a big bright (you know, that spandex) group of riders, say 10 or more.

    Being in a group may not help. Recently a box truck plowed into a group of 20 riders near Las Vegas, killing 5. The (white) driver fell asleep at the wheel despite being on meth. Should have taken more meth I guess.

    https://www.bicycling.com/news/a34942688/cyclists-killed-las-vegas/

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  39. [MORE]

  40. @D. K.
    Does this chart help to inspire any hypotheses about who might be driving more dangerously versus who might not be driving at all?

    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/04/PH_2016-04-20_LatinoYouth-01.png?w=420

    Also, in most places in America, illegal aliens still are barred from getting licenses, causing many of them to take public transit or ride bicycles, instead.

    Replies: @FPD72, @AndrewR

    Seven year old data so probably close to 70% now

  41. Brahmin has thoughts:

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Desiderius

    @30 Desiderius: That pajeet is Lori Lightfoot's long lost brother. But I bet he describes his complexion as 'wheatish.' He carries off being 'American' just as well as Andrea Mitchell carries off being a blonde shiksa. Crypsis - it's a thing.

    , @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There's a 10th planet influencing this, and who knows what it is. This guy Murthey seems like a rank and file doctor (internist) but with political connections.

  42. @anonymous
    Who could have guessed that the complete and total acceptance of and acquiescence to hip-hop being the default music of young people of all races might have negative consequences for the continued existence of civilization ?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jay Fink

    What this even supposed to mean? Hip hop makes people bad drivers but “white music” doesn’t?

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    A New York Jets coach just died last week after a collision with a car.

    Enzi seems to have not collided with anyone. Presumably he wasn’t wearing a helmet, since he was found unconscious, but the news articles don’t say either way.

    Gillette, WY doesn’t seem to be terribly hilly but I wouldn’t be surprised if Enzi crashed on a hill. My aunt is five years older than he was and she rides her bike five miles a day but she lives in Fort Myers which is not known for hills.

    • Replies: @Grumpy
    @AndrewR

    Senator Enzi was wearing a helmet, but he broke his neck in the crash. There are few details in this article, but it mentions that he was near his home and no one else was involved in the accident. He was 77.

    https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/former-sen-mike-enzi-dies-following-bike-accident/article_956e0b8f-4ba3-5155-895f-3a31371c3e29.html

  44. Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts. I recently drove up to Cape Cod and back and I can’t tell you how many accidents I passed. This in broad daylight on a sunny day. Many of them caused delays because they had to close a lane or sometimes the whole highway. On the way back Google showed two half hour delays caused by separate accidents a few miles apart but it turned into just 1 because by the time they had cleared the 1st one they had also cleared the 2nd one. As I passed the 2nd accident scene I could see the tow truck pulling away with the 2nd crashed car.

    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure. The Merritt Parkway in Connecticut opened in 1938 when the typical car had 85 hp and a 3 speed manual transmission with a column shift. It was built without any on ramps – you enter the highway from a dead stop and often the entrances are behind curves so you don’t have a good sight line for oncoming traffic. Meanwhile today when traffic is flowing cars are often going 70+. There are no shoulders so the cops are afraid to ticket people – pulling someone over would cause an instant traffic jam and maybe even more accidents. So you have cars going 0 mph mixing with cars going 70 – it’s a recipe for disaster. It’s in a heavily built up, wealthy area so there’s no easy way to bring the road up to modern standards. It’s the kind of place where you have to have a hearing if you want to cut down one tree and 17 neighborhood busybodies with nothing better to do turn out to object so you can imagine what it would take to get a road project approved that would destroy the “scenic beauty” of the parkway.

    Late at night when the drunks are out is even worse. The other day there was a fender bender on the local expressway involving a couple of drunks at 3AM on a Saturday night. As the first responders were cleaning up, ANOTHER drunk plowed into the crash scene at high speed and killed 1 fireman and send another 2 to the ICU. The drunk driver was a white granny who was drinking from an open container of rum.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @Jack D


    Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts.
     
    This.

    At the risk of sounding like "get off my lawn", since the pandemic lockdowns ramped down, the roads are more crowded and there is a high rate of idiots driving very aggressively. It's as though they no longer have fear. Perhaps it's coming back up from lockdown, perhaps they forgot how to drive on anything but empty roads.

    I also observe bad behavior both by cyclists and drivers. The former act like entitled jerks, the latter like sociopaths. It's a good think cyclists don't have anywhere to carry firearms or we'd have a whole new problem with road rage.
    , @Ganderson
    @Jack D

    I never take the Merritt/Wilbur Cross at night- headlights from the other side are right in one’s eyes. They’ve made some safety improvements over the years- fixed a bunch of entrances, and paved the bridge over the Housatonic at the Sikorsky helicopter plant- it used to be steel decking- we called it the “bridge of death”; but there are still a lot of those short, dead stop entrances. It remains though, the fastest way to get from Western MA , where I live, to NYC.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure.
     
    Even before i finished your first paragraph, i thought

    "Infrastructure has not kept up with immigration".

    Minoritarians love love love immigrating in foreigners--preferably non-white, non-Christian. But ... they don't actually want to pay for infrastructure--nor white guys building infrastructure. They want tax money to go to "social services" and "programs" and have lots and lots of soft jobs for BAs "managing" diversity.

    If America had stayed sane during my life, it would have 250m-ish people and basically flat population growth. Money spent on immigrants, "social services", "programs", minders, bureaucracy and the "diversity" industry could have gone into maintaining/enhancing infrastructure--the needs of which would have been much lighter--or stayed in the pockets of American taxpayers to spend on their own kids. (And we'd all have more money anyway because housing would be way cheaper.)

    But instead ... it's crowded out there. People get annoyed--heck i do--and want to go. (That's why i get on the road, to go somewhere.) Then they do stupid stuff. And of course it doesn't help that immigration and diversity have people depressed, atomized and have taken away community and jobs and so people are drinking more, doing drugs. And then there are phones ...

    It's surprising it's not worse. Seat belts, of course, and better cars and emergency medicine or we'd be whacking 150K a year.
  45. This could just an an artifact of have race/ethnicity data is collected. Remember, the FBI fingerprint data base does not use the term Latino and that all Latinos are listed as white. The same thing could be happening on accident reports.

  46. @International Jew
    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    Replies: @Charon, @Wilkey, @donut, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    No, they’re bad drivers. They’re just bad drivers in ways that don’t get them killed.

    A few possibilities:

    1) Whites drive faster cars. If you see a beat-up old minivan or pickup on the road, it’s probably being driven by a Hispanic.

    2) Whites drive longer distances.

    3) The opioid epidemic and marijuana legalization, plus increased casual consumption of alcohol.

    4) Motorcycles. They’re about 100x more likely to get you killed, and I have a hunch they are far more popular among whites than among Hispanics.

    5) Remaining single and childless. Single and childless people consume more drugs and alcohol, and are more likely to drive after they’ve done so.

    But finally, white parents have given up. They have let the culture raise their children, and the culture grows dumber and more vile by the day. That culture encourages the kid of behavior that leads to increased traffic fatalities. White moms need to be more like Tiger Moms, but most white moms just want to be “cool.” Reminding their kids for the thousandth time not to speed is not “cool.”

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Wilkey

    Don't know about where you live but the Mexicans around my neck of the woods drive some nice looking trucks. When you have 8 people sharing a one bedroom apartment and you game the system you can afford the nicer things in life.

    Mexicans are notorious for driving drunk or under the influence of drugs more so than Whites. Jose and Julio are even more apt to drive while drunk than good ole boys like Skeeter and Booger. First thing a lot of Mexicans do on the way home from work is hit the convenience store for a 12 pack to enjoy on their long ride home.

    Replies: @JMcG

  47. In and around Atlanta has to be the worst drivers in America. Young, old, Black, White, Brown, Yankee transplant, Florida transplant like yours truly, good ole boys & git-r-dones in their huge trucks, doesn’t really matter. Hit and runs? Happens here more than anywhere that I have ever lived. Pedestrian crosswalks are not even a safe place. Some of those hit and runs involved vehicles hitting a pedestrian. Hit the poor person and hauled ass. What kind of monster does that? An illegal perhaps? A drunk illegal? Or just a heartless bastard.

    The Mexicans will sideswipe you if they are running late for work at the chicken processing plants. haha. No lie. Matafackas round here ride your bumper even if you are going 10 miles over the speed limit. They have no respect for school zones or school buses. I used to think traveling back and forth on I-4 from Tampa to Lakeland for work was bad. Shit, that was an enjoyable cruise compared to this shit.

  48. @Wilkey
    @International Jew

    No, they’re bad drivers. They’re just bad drivers in ways that don’t get them killed.

    A few possibilities:

    1) Whites drive faster cars. If you see a beat-up old minivan or pickup on the road, it’s probably being driven by a Hispanic.

    2) Whites drive longer distances.

    3) The opioid epidemic and marijuana legalization, plus increased casual consumption of alcohol.

    4) Motorcycles. They’re about 100x more likely to get you killed, and I have a hunch they are far more popular among whites than among Hispanics.

    5) Remaining single and childless. Single and childless people consume more drugs and alcohol, and are more likely to drive after they’ve done so.

    But finally, white parents have given up. They have let the culture raise their children, and the culture grows dumber and more vile by the day. That culture encourages the kid of behavior that leads to increased traffic fatalities. White moms need to be more like Tiger Moms, but most white moms just want to be “cool.” Reminding their kids for the thousandth time not to speed is not “cool.”

    Replies: @Trinity

    Don’t know about where you live but the Mexicans around my neck of the woods drive some nice looking trucks. When you have 8 people sharing a one bedroom apartment and you game the system you can afford the nicer things in life.

    Mexicans are notorious for driving drunk or under the influence of drugs more so than Whites. Jose and Julio are even more apt to drive while drunk than good ole boys like Skeeter and Booger. First thing a lot of Mexicans do on the way home from work is hit the convenience store for a 12 pack to enjoy on their long ride home.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I was out very early one morning a little while ago when I came across an accident scene. A tree had fallen across the road, coming to a rest about five feet above the road surface. A white work van had hit it full on, no skid marks, in the pre-dawn gloaming. I stopped, assuming I’d only find bodies, but there were three Mexicans, or Guatemalans, or Salvadorans, etc. staggering around in shock.
    I checked, and they were the only occupants. I went down the road a half mile to get a cell signal and called 911. The dispatcher probably had me on the line for three or four minutes.
    By the time I returned to the scene, the occupants had vanished completely.
    The cops showed up a few minutes later and found half-drunk beers, still cold, inside the van along with the rest of a case. This was around 4:30 or 5 am.

    Replies: @Trinity

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    Bicycle seats are bad for men’s reproductive and urinary functions.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Mike Tre

    Yep, a family member was a big bike rider and had fertility problems. His doc ordered him off the bike.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Tre

    Tilt the seat down in front. Seriously, that's all you have to do. You're gonna know whether you've got too much pressure, or any at all, on those parts. When you're not pedaling hard, your arms will be in compression a bit, but it's easy to get used to. I did it years ago on the one same bike I ride a lot.

  50. @Jack D
    Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts. I recently drove up to Cape Cod and back and I can't tell you how many accidents I passed. This in broad daylight on a sunny day. Many of them caused delays because they had to close a lane or sometimes the whole highway. On the way back Google showed two half hour delays caused by separate accidents a few miles apart but it turned into just 1 because by the time they had cleared the 1st one they had also cleared the 2nd one. As I passed the 2nd accident scene I could see the tow truck pulling away with the 2nd crashed car.

    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure. The Merritt Parkway in Connecticut opened in 1938 when the typical car had 85 hp and a 3 speed manual transmission with a column shift. It was built without any on ramps - you enter the highway from a dead stop and often the entrances are behind curves so you don't have a good sight line for oncoming traffic. Meanwhile today when traffic is flowing cars are often going 70+. There are no shoulders so the cops are afraid to ticket people - pulling someone over would cause an instant traffic jam and maybe even more accidents. So you have cars going 0 mph mixing with cars going 70 - it's a recipe for disaster. It's in a heavily built up, wealthy area so there's no easy way to bring the road up to modern standards. It's the kind of place where you have to have a hearing if you want to cut down one tree and 17 neighborhood busybodies with nothing better to do turn out to object so you can imagine what it would take to get a road project approved that would destroy the "scenic beauty" of the parkway.

    Late at night when the drunks are out is even worse. The other day there was a fender bender on the local expressway involving a couple of drunks at 3AM on a Saturday night. As the first responders were cleaning up, ANOTHER drunk plowed into the crash scene at high speed and killed 1 fireman and send another 2 to the ICU. The drunk driver was a white granny who was drinking from an open container of rum.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Ganderson, @AnotherDad

    Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts.

    This.

    At the risk of sounding like “get off my lawn”, since the pandemic lockdowns ramped down, the roads are more crowded and there is a high rate of idiots driving very aggressively. It’s as though they no longer have fear. Perhaps it’s coming back up from lockdown, perhaps they forgot how to drive on anything but empty roads.

    I also observe bad behavior both by cyclists and drivers. The former act like entitled jerks, the latter like sociopaths. It’s a good think cyclists don’t have anywhere to carry firearms or we’d have a whole new problem with road rage.

  51. obviously no. anybody who has driven around them knows this is not the case. anybody who has driven in Mexico would find this laughable.

    i suppose if you don’t count the millions of illegal aliens, the numbers might be close.

    indians from india are the worst drivers, but they don’t speed or drive drunk in the reckless way other people do.

  52. @Polistra

    One methodological issue is that this is per capita not per mile driven. If per capita whites drive a lot more miles than Latinos, then whites might not be worse per mile driven.
     
    Yes, that's one issue and there are many more. The kinds of miles driven, for example. Urban, rural, business, pleasure, etc. Time of day. Who's driving what kind of vehicle? And these figures are accident victims, right? How does it skew the results when Africans aim their vehicles at whites? Don't laugh if you haven't lived around Africans.

    In general, whites appear to be pretty bad drivers these days.
     
    Right, especially if "pretty bad" means something like "better than average."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Mansfield

    I was talking Sunday with a friend in New Mexico about a bad accident on the highway she was one of the first to arrive at between Kayenta and Shiprock a few hours earlier. It is 20 years now since I lived in the West, and it struck me how common incidents like my friend’s are there compared with the East. High speeds on remote roads that are mostly pretty good, but far from help when someone messes up. People who think nothing of driving a couple hundreds miles somewhere, then turning around and driving back home that night.

    Maybe Hispanics in the U.S. are more Eastern and less Western than they used to be?

  53. Could be affected by weather too. Most Latinos and Hawaiians don’t have to drive on bad roads in winter conditions. Also Latinos are more urbanized and I think urban driving is safer in terms of fatalities (lower speed, lots of red lights and turns). Rural whites drive on dark country roads with deer jumping out at them. That said, cell phones are probably the biggest factor.

  54. looks like other people mentioned lots of stupid SWPL people get killed riding their bicycle. some NFL coach just got killed getting hit off his bike. Mark Eaton got killed riding his bike and Shawn Bradley almost got killed.

    wonder if motorcycles are the real reason though. pretty much only crackers ride those in big numbers. the Harley street bike era is winding down though. so mostly redneck dirt bike riding will be what’s left.

  55. How many of those “Whites” are Hispanics who identify as White?

  56. The data is likely to be suspect because a lot of places lump Hispanics under white. Until you see a careful breakdown, I wouldn’t trust the data at all.

  57. This jibes with my observation that driving in the USA has gotten worse in the last 3-5 years.

    I’m not innocent myself; I drive in to work at 70-80 mph on the regular. But these days, I have competition that drives even faster. It seems like people did a better job of observing speed limits only a short time ago. Just another sign of an unraveling country.

  58. @Jack D
    Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts. I recently drove up to Cape Cod and back and I can't tell you how many accidents I passed. This in broad daylight on a sunny day. Many of them caused delays because they had to close a lane or sometimes the whole highway. On the way back Google showed two half hour delays caused by separate accidents a few miles apart but it turned into just 1 because by the time they had cleared the 1st one they had also cleared the 2nd one. As I passed the 2nd accident scene I could see the tow truck pulling away with the 2nd crashed car.

    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure. The Merritt Parkway in Connecticut opened in 1938 when the typical car had 85 hp and a 3 speed manual transmission with a column shift. It was built without any on ramps - you enter the highway from a dead stop and often the entrances are behind curves so you don't have a good sight line for oncoming traffic. Meanwhile today when traffic is flowing cars are often going 70+. There are no shoulders so the cops are afraid to ticket people - pulling someone over would cause an instant traffic jam and maybe even more accidents. So you have cars going 0 mph mixing with cars going 70 - it's a recipe for disaster. It's in a heavily built up, wealthy area so there's no easy way to bring the road up to modern standards. It's the kind of place where you have to have a hearing if you want to cut down one tree and 17 neighborhood busybodies with nothing better to do turn out to object so you can imagine what it would take to get a road project approved that would destroy the "scenic beauty" of the parkway.

    Late at night when the drunks are out is even worse. The other day there was a fender bender on the local expressway involving a couple of drunks at 3AM on a Saturday night. As the first responders were cleaning up, ANOTHER drunk plowed into the crash scene at high speed and killed 1 fireman and send another 2 to the ICU. The drunk driver was a white granny who was drinking from an open container of rum.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Ganderson, @AnotherDad

    I never take the Merritt/Wilbur Cross at night- headlights from the other side are right in one’s eyes. They’ve made some safety improvements over the years- fixed a bunch of entrances, and paved the bridge over the Housatonic at the Sikorsky helicopter plant- it used to be steel decking- we called it the “bridge of death”; but there are still a lot of those short, dead stop entrances. It remains though, the fastest way to get from Western MA , where I live, to NYC.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    I almost ran over a woman bicyclist the other day; she was going the wrong way in the street, and I was looking left for traffic as I made my right turn. I am constantly confronted with cyclists who pedal any which way they want on sidewalks (where they often kill or injur pedestrians), streets, and bike paths, or who think they can pass you on the right while you are parking to the right, or who run lights and signs. The worst I encountered recently was the mother who pedaled ahead of her young child who could not be seen at his height and who had no flag signal he was alongside me, which is worse than those a**hole recumbent bicyclists who don’t flag themselves for safety since it is the parent who is the idiot.

    Most bicyclists are a**holes, and too many are too lucky and live another day to ruin someone else’s lives with their self-righteous stupidity.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  60. Given the experience in my mostly Hispanic neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say no. Hispanics are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @MarkinLA

    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say it's my fellow whites who are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws. Even when parents who put those signs down in their front yard that say "Drive as if your own kids were playing" (or something similar), there is some white jackanape who is barreling down the boulevard.

    Replies: @The Griffins, @MarkinLA

  61. @Ralph L
    Perhaps Hispanics didn't want to risk being stopped and deported in the Trump era. More likely, they could afford to move closer to work. Around here, the vast majority of people living outside urban areas, where driving is faster and more dangerous, are white.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost

    In my red state where the cops are safe from defunding, Hispanics are quite timid drivers. If a car in front of me is braking well before yellow or waiting for a full arrow indicator for a left turn, it’s either an Hispanic or a septuagenarian. I suspect they are fearful of harassment, although I suspect deportation of anyone these days is a dead letter.

  62. @Matthew Kelly
    How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Bill Jones, @J1234, @Kaz, @Corvinus

    @1 Matthew Kelley: I agree most women are poor drivers, but I must admit I’ve seen an equal number of men texting while driving as women. Now add in race, and we can narrow it down a bit. While I’ve seen White men and women texting while driving, the biggest abusers (and worst drivers) are Oriental and subcontinental drivers in America. Eternally on their phones and innately crappy drivers = danger. Keep far away.

  63. Here’s a few vehicle anecdotes from the personal files:
    -This one I witnessed from across the street. Smallish street, traffic N-S direction unregulated, E-W has a stop sign. Cars going at normal speed (abt. 25mph) N-S. Asian pedestrian going E-W, eyes and fingers glued to his cell phone just steps right off the curb into traffic. White driver slams on brakes, hispanic behind him rear ends him. No fatalities.

    -White coworker riding motorcycle down main street. Illegal alien in pickup truck going the other way makes left turn right in front of him. He rolls bike, minor scrapes, new bike dinged up. Had he been a second earlier, might have been a White Traffic Fatality (cue theme from Dragnet).

    -This one a couple of years ago. Nephew trying to buy a used car, so I take him to look at one. “Gold Chain White” woman comes out to show it to us. I get in to start it up, put my foot on the brake, pedal goes to floor. I get out, tell her we’re not interested, and that she better get the brakes looked at before she drives it anywhere. She shrugs and walks away. As we’re leaving, I see her and what looks like her mother coming out of the house chatting merrily. They get in the car and drive away, occasionally glancing at the road.

  64. @Desiderius
    Brahmin has thoughts:

    https://twitter.com/PatrickDeneen/status/1421077033451393029?s=20

    Replies: @3g4me, @Art Deco

    @30 Desiderius: That pajeet is Lori Lightfoot’s long lost brother. But I bet he describes his complexion as ‘wheatish.’ He carries off being ‘American’ just as well as Andrea Mitchell carries off being a blonde shiksa. Crypsis – it’s a thing.

  65. Per capita whites drive more than anyone. Whites probably do more drugs and drink more than Hispanics as well, at least when controlling for social class. Working class whites are a mess, and getting worse.

    The increase in drug use where I live has been clearly visible over the past year. Young mothers are often on meth and opiates at the same time. They call meth “day” and heroin “night.” I’m not making that up. Their 12yo daughters are whoring themselves on tik tok and their sons are stoned.

    I’m watching these people rot right in front of me. I hope the coastal democrats are proud of themselves for their accomplishment.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  66. Mexicans cause accidents where others suffer. As bad as Negroes at times (who tend to be closer to home; fewer miles).

    The impossibility of space-time problem-solving. Magic dirt won’t fix it. Rules don’t constrain those who don’t care, either. And they don’t. Along with not reporting accidents.

    The “stat” is a non-starter. I’ve got about a million miles the past decade says otherwise.

    As for Americans, yes, skill development went south. Women don’t much care, and FAR too many boys have no father (post-divorce = baby daddy). Skill at the wheel seems only an aside when all vehicles are pretty much high HP appliances.

    The pleasure of driving is lost when the illegals and their progeny wedge themselves into every opening. Run down a lane that’s closing to force themselves into the lanes that aren’t. Etcetera. It’s a long list of CONTINUAL bad actions which depend for success on others understanding principles, obeying rules and respecting physics.

    Others appear to follow suit in too many instances where their elders did not. Game theory? The effects of low IQ — with no irony —hastens the race to the bottom.

    That roads and cars have substantially improved the last fifty years cannot be discounted. Nor the explosive metro sprawl all over the country. Wouldn’t take many changes (visual) to render today’s driver near-helpless (signage, and most especially, REFLECTIVE markings). GPS can’t cure it.

    The difference in innate skills would become — again — far more apparent. The tech overlay is deceiving.

  67. Steve, I didn’t see any comment about age. If average white age is higher than average Hispanic age (which I suspect it is), that might influence the stats. Older drivers seem to be a source of more accidents.

  68. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was simply an issue of misclassification as we’ve seen in other areas, article now removed

    https://web.archive.org/web/20151126095631/http://kxan.com/investigative-story/texas-troopers-ticketing-hispanics-motorists-as-white/

    >An analysis by KXAN of the DPS traffic stop data shows the five most common last names of drivers stopped and recorded as white by troopers are: Smith, followed by Garcia, Martinez, Hernandez, Gonzalez and Rodriguez.

    The Hispanic road fatality rate in the US is rather remarkable considering the road fatality rate in Mexico is 11.6 deaths per 100,000, page 2.

    https://www.itf-oecd.org/sites/default/files/mexico-road-safety.pdf

    Maybe they aren’t sending us their best (drivers).

  69. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    He was probably struck dead in a hit-and-run by a drunken Latino.

    Latinos are famous for hit-and-run automobile accidents which could have lowered their stats.

  70. @International Jew
    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    Replies: @Charon, @Wilkey, @donut, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    Whoops , I meant to hit disagree .

  71. Last week there was a quintuple-fatality crash not too far from me when a Nissan Maxima driver with a Spanish surname crashed head-on into a Prius at an extreme rate of speed. There were four passengers in the Prius as it was being used an an Uber. The presumably Hispanic driver of the Maxima died, as did three white passengers in the Prius (two of them brothers) and the Pakistani Uber driver. One white passenger in the Uber is still alive but in very bad shape.

  72. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:

    Drive far more, greater distances. White women in the burbs running around are particularly inept. Increase in 80 year olds likely a role as well.

  73. I can actually believe that driving by Whites has gotten worse. I’ve observed much more reckless, aggressive driving in recent years in my area, including speeding in residential areas and a lot of yielding and right-of-way issues. It’s not fun dealing with a busy roundabout.

    I still have a hard time believing Whites drive worse than Hispanics, though. I’ve seen much more egregious driving mistakes from Hispanics, such as just flying through stop signs without any attempt to slow down, much less yield or stop. Plus, law enforcement often counts Hispanics as White which probably skews the stats. Also, there have been stories for years about illegals being let off the hook for traffic violations which would mess up numbers even more.

  74. People who live in small towns, exurban areas, and the countryside often have long commutes. The outer boundary at one place I worked was an 80 mile round trip, 5x a week. Outside of the Deep South and the southwest, people who fit that description are (with few exceptions) non-hispanic white. I’m going to wager the vehicle-miles traveled for that subset is a great deal higher than it is for the others.

  75. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    In my experience, the most aggressive and reckless drivers tend to be black. Usually when I see a car on the freeway dangerously weaving in and out of lanes while speeding, it tends to be a black driver.

    More recently, I have noticed whites in very large pickups and SUVs have tended to be aggressive drivers. Lots of tailgating and speeding in these newer pickups which are very large now. This may be a newer phenomenon as back in the 90s and before, most pickups on the road were normal sedan sized, like Ford Rangers, and their drivers were not particularly aggressive but tended to be laid back and cruise. The newer huge trucks and SUVs may have attracted or encouraged more aggressive driving.

    Hispanic drivers in my area tend to be driving large landscaping work trucks, with their company logos and information prominently displayed and advertised, which may make them more deliberately cautious. Or they tend to drive old economy cars that are falling apart and can’t be driven as fast and aggressively.

    Asians I think tend to drive relatively slowly. That may be the main factor in lower traffic deaths. The most important determinant of traffic fatalities is the velocity of the vehicle. The force of an object squares with the velocity, which means that if you double the speed of your car, you don’t just double its force, you quadruple it. Minor increases in speed result in larger increases of force and thus potential for danger.

    No experience with American Indian drivers, but I imagine it’s a combination of alcohol and speeding there.

  76. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    Older population, too. Distracted 20-somethings are bad enough, but distracted 50+ is even worse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s right. Whites are an old and aging demographic, and old people are bad drivers. My own father in his 70s was recently in his first ever accident, completely his fault. It could never have happened when he was younger.

  77. @AnotherDad
    Turn off the phone.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @S. Anonyia, @The Griffins

    Yes, but it’s also speeding. Whites are the worst speeders after blacks. Especially on the interstates.

    I’m in my early 30s and recall passing almost everyone on the interstate while going a mere 80 when I was 16-18 back in the late 2000s. Nowadays that’s just keeping up with the flow of traffic (might actually be on the slow side). Starting in my mid 20s I started refusing to ride as a passenger with my friends or their boyfriends/husbands because I noticed them driving so recklessly en route to the beach. I also refuse to be a passenger in my brother-in-law’s car for the same reason. I prefer to drive if I’m taking people anywhere, and the only person I’ll let drive me is my husband, or my parents if we need to get to the airport. Even my parents have caught the speeding mania, and they are in their 60s now and so are more easily distracted on top of it.

    Speeding culture kills unless you’re in an area with expert drivers like Germany or Utah. Southerners can’t drive, frankly. Not anymore.

    COVID has made the issue worse because not only do you have to be careful on the interstate, but also on city/suburban roads. I’ve noticed people not coming to complete stops before merging into busy traffic from side streets. Just aggressively pulling out in front of cars going 40-50 mph, consequences be damned. Kind of a devil-may-care attitude taking root.

    • Agree: Trinity
  78. @Desiderius
    Brahmin has thoughts:

    https://twitter.com/PatrickDeneen/status/1421077033451393029?s=20

    Replies: @3g4me, @Art Deco

    There’s a 10th planet influencing this, and who knows what it is. This guy Murthey seems like a rank and file doctor (internist) but with political connections.

  79. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve’s article illustrates Thomas Sowell’s work that ethnic groups are also cultural carriers. In this case, ethnic groups differ from each other in terms of driving. Hispanics were riskier and even more careless drivers than other groups. Asians are better drivers than whites.

    I’m reminded of my experience as a high school student in the late 1980s. A Hispanic classmate once gave me a lift. Let me tell you, he was a fast driver. It was an interesting experience.
    A white classmate got into a car accident. It was non DUI and minor car damage. I admonished him because it’s behavior by young males like him that increase insurance premiums for us. My class only had one Asian student I think. He had no driving issues.

    The article also illustrates Sowell’s point that an ethnic group’s culture can change. Apparently Hispanics have improved their driving.

    An ethnic group’s culture can change for assorted reasons. Sowell discusses conquest. Another is the force of legal sanction. My impression is that laws against drunk and careless driving are stricter now than they were decades ago. The stricter driving laws have caused drivers to modify their cost/benefit calculations.

  80. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    It appears he just toppled over and fell without doing anything to break his fall. He broke his neck and three ribs. I’m gonna wager he had a TIA or a heart attack. He was evidently unconscious from the time they found him to the time he died three days later.

  81. People who are risk-adverse—- do their homework, brush their teeth, eat sensibly, wear their masks, get two shots, keep their pants on, are polite at job interviews, obey the speed limit, drive sober —- don’t end their lives as road kill. Maybe this suite of behaviors is related to intelligence?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Uncle Dan


    People who are risk-adverse—- do their homework, brush their teeth, eat sensibly, wear their masks, get two shots, keep their pants on, are polite at job interviews, obey the speed limit, drive sober —- don’t end their lives as road kill. Maybe this suite of behaviors is related to intelligence?
     
    Agree with the sentiment ... but the road is different because that other asswipe can kill you!

    I'm not the world's most patient driver, but the most serious accident i was in i was going the speed limit in the right lane of a divided highway, headed to a pro-social family activity, sober as a Protestant church lady, and a drunk driver failed to negotiate a curve, slammed into my door and sent my car flying off the road. (I'd just passed some big trees, so i thought "this is bad" and as i went flying down the embankment my life began to flash before me. But i'd only got to kindergarten when i landed "softly" in a lake--just outside of Smithville. Fortunately, just at the edge in a couple feet of water, the car was on its side and i just climbed out the busted out window, and jumped to dry land. State patrol arrested the guy--white guy--for drunk driving. I was taken to the ER and got the glass cleaned out of my eye.)

    My fault "zero" ... other than being on the road, going to see my cousin in Houston for Thanksgiving.

    If bad drivers just killed themselves ... wouldn't be a serious problem. But ... it's often a two-body problem.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  82. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    In a previous post I argued that ethnic groups are also culture carriers.

    Illegal Immigrants to the US have a much higher rate of causing death and destruction from their driving compared to citizens. See this article for example: https://www.foxnews.com/us/dads-grief-leads-to-quest-to-count-deaths-caused-by-illegal-immigrant-drivers

    I submit that those illegal immigrations come from cultures that don’t value the rule of law as other cultures. Those illegals bring this terrible aspect of their culture with them.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Anon

    Also, American natives are accustomed to a American style infrastructure, spatial geography, and driving customs. It's known that immigrants often experience stress from immersion into a new land, and I'd think that would affect driving competence.

    Question: does being in an unfamiliar area within one's country affect driving competence that heavily? As in, after moving within a country to a new region are people at that much higher a risk of crashes until they acclimate to the geography and layout of the new region?

    Replies: @obwandiyag

  83. It would be better if they somehow compared x-miles driven to y-miles driven because the exposure to danger is more dependent on that. E.g. White miles driven versus black miles driven then you would get so many deaths per white mile versus so many deaths per black mile. Like if blacks, as a whole, don’t drive or don’t drive much you’re going to get a lower number of deaths than the same number of whites who drive a lot – exposing themselves to danger more even to the danger of getting killed by other groups that don’t drive well.

  84. I’ve worked for an aggregate of about six months in 3 different Latin American countries, mostly driving myself about, but also being chauffeured. In my admittedly limited experience the macho drivers are a small minority on the open road, a distinctly obvious and deadly minority, but a minority. The macho bus drivers are just plain scary and especially deadly.

    City driving is another story where lack of enforcement means one has to be fairly assertive or one does not get around, but there are considerate, polite, people there also.

  85. @UNIT472
    I suspect whites are more likely to be killed while bicycling. Mexicans and negroes bicycle too but tend to do it as basic urban transportation because they have no car or a suspended/revoked drivers license. Whites are the ones I see bicycling on arterial roads in those narrow bike lanes for 'exercise', i.e. on an expensive bike with spandex attire. I never read of multiple fatality bike accidents that do not involve white bicyclists out for exercise or on some long distance bike event.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frank the Prof

    I’ve taken up gravel road bike riding. Lot’s of little traveled gravel roads here. Sometimes I never see a car in 25+ miles of riding. I have rear facing radar (Garmin) that ranks advancing drivers for aggressiveness. I’ve found the worst drivers to be going in/out of grocery stores.

  86. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    I’ve cycled about 200,000 miles since the 1970’s. The only fatalities I know of are cyclists smacked by careless drivers. I’d encourage cyclists to use the little traveled gravel/dirt roads if they live in exurbs and rural areas. There are a lot nice bike paths on abandoned rail lines too.

  87. As the husband of a teetotaling wife who has knocked down four different neighbors’ mailboxes, knocked a front bumper off on a light standard, creased another back bumper on a light standard and backed out of our garage and heavily damaged the front end of my two seat sports car. I will put her up against any race, creed or nationality as a horrible driver.

    • LOL: JMcG, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqKEgrPhHo

    I didn't realize you were the father of Reece, Malcolm, and Dewey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  88. @Jack D
    Being out on the roads, I have the feeling that the overall crash rate is up. In addition to BLM, Covid has made everyone kind of nuts. I recently drove up to Cape Cod and back and I can't tell you how many accidents I passed. This in broad daylight on a sunny day. Many of them caused delays because they had to close a lane or sometimes the whole highway. On the way back Google showed two half hour delays caused by separate accidents a few miles apart but it turned into just 1 because by the time they had cleared the 1st one they had also cleared the 2nd one. As I passed the 2nd accident scene I could see the tow truck pulling away with the 2nd crashed car.

    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure. The Merritt Parkway in Connecticut opened in 1938 when the typical car had 85 hp and a 3 speed manual transmission with a column shift. It was built without any on ramps - you enter the highway from a dead stop and often the entrances are behind curves so you don't have a good sight line for oncoming traffic. Meanwhile today when traffic is flowing cars are often going 70+. There are no shoulders so the cops are afraid to ticket people - pulling someone over would cause an instant traffic jam and maybe even more accidents. So you have cars going 0 mph mixing with cars going 70 - it's a recipe for disaster. It's in a heavily built up, wealthy area so there's no easy way to bring the road up to modern standards. It's the kind of place where you have to have a hearing if you want to cut down one tree and 17 neighborhood busybodies with nothing better to do turn out to object so you can imagine what it would take to get a road project approved that would destroy the "scenic beauty" of the parkway.

    Late at night when the drunks are out is even worse. The other day there was a fender bender on the local expressway involving a couple of drunks at 3AM on a Saturday night. As the first responders were cleaning up, ANOTHER drunk plowed into the crash scene at high speed and killed 1 fireman and send another 2 to the ICU. The drunk driver was a white granny who was drinking from an open container of rum.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Ganderson, @AnotherDad

    Part of this is caused by old infrastructure.

    Even before i finished your first paragraph, i thought

    “Infrastructure has not kept up with immigration”.

    Minoritarians love love love immigrating in foreigners–preferably non-white, non-Christian. But … they don’t actually want to pay for infrastructure–nor white guys building infrastructure. They want tax money to go to “social services” and “programs” and have lots and lots of soft jobs for BAs “managing” diversity.

    If America had stayed sane during my life, it would have 250m-ish people and basically flat population growth. Money spent on immigrants, “social services”, “programs”, minders, bureaucracy and the “diversity” industry could have gone into maintaining/enhancing infrastructure–the needs of which would have been much lighter–or stayed in the pockets of American taxpayers to spend on their own kids. (And we’d all have more money anyway because housing would be way cheaper.)

    But instead … it’s crowded out there. People get annoyed–heck i do–and want to go. (That’s why i get on the road, to go somewhere.) Then they do stupid stuff. And of course it doesn’t help that immigration and diversity have people depressed, atomized and have taken away community and jobs and so people are drinking more, doing drugs. And then there are phones …

    It’s surprising it’s not worse. Seat belts, of course, and better cars and emergency medicine or we’d be whacking 150K a year.

  89. @Trinity
    @Wilkey

    Don't know about where you live but the Mexicans around my neck of the woods drive some nice looking trucks. When you have 8 people sharing a one bedroom apartment and you game the system you can afford the nicer things in life.

    Mexicans are notorious for driving drunk or under the influence of drugs more so than Whites. Jose and Julio are even more apt to drive while drunk than good ole boys like Skeeter and Booger. First thing a lot of Mexicans do on the way home from work is hit the convenience store for a 12 pack to enjoy on their long ride home.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I was out very early one morning a little while ago when I came across an accident scene. A tree had fallen across the road, coming to a rest about five feet above the road surface. A white work van had hit it full on, no skid marks, in the pre-dawn gloaming. I stopped, assuming I’d only find bodies, but there were three Mexicans, or Guatemalans, or Salvadorans, etc. staggering around in shock.
    I checked, and they were the only occupants. I went down the road a half mile to get a cell signal and called 911. The dispatcher probably had me on the line for three or four minutes.
    By the time I returned to the scene, the occupants had vanished completely.
    The cops showed up a few minutes later and found half-drunk beers, still cold, inside the van along with the rest of a case. This was around 4:30 or 5 am.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @JMcG

    I worked with a majority Mexican shift in a machining department where we manufactured rims for automobiles. Man, that had to be 100 degrees in that place, no wonder I was one of the few White boys that hung around there. Anyhow, every Friday night we would send the floater who relieved lines for breaks on a beer run up to the local convenience store around the corner right before the shift ended. IF the supervisor cared, he didn't show it, plus the company was on the verge of closing and moving to Chihuahua, Mexico anyhow, so it was a little more relaxed than usual. I would always get a six pack for the road and maybe drink only two on the half hour drive home. Having already had one previous DUI, I wasn't about to be stupid AGAIN. Every Mexican dude would get a 12 pack, sometimes a damn case because a lot car pooled together. The only thing about people like Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Colombians etc., is they cannot hold their liquor. We had a Colombian dude on our ship and the dude would be wasted out of his mind after 4-5 beers. Mexicans work hard and they damn sure play hard. Where they get their stamina and energy is a mystery to me. Must be the beans and rice.

    Replies: @JMcG

  90. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Bicycle seats are bad for men’s reproductive and urinary functions.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    Yep, a family member was a big bike rider and had fertility problems. His doc ordered him off the bike.

  91. @Matthew Kelly
    How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Bill Jones, @J1234, @Kaz, @Corvinus

    Phone use was my first thought, too.
    The second was the ageing of the White population.
    As time goes by the bulk of whites are moving into their dotage, ( The Biden years) and are probably less safe drivers. Hispanic teens are moving into their safer driving twenties.
    It might be instructive to see the comparative aging demographics.

  92. @Charon
    @UNIT472

    What on earth leads people to believe that suspended or revoked licenses prevent people from driving? If they were the law-abiding type they'd still have their licenses.

    It's the same mentality that leads people to believe that making guns illegal will somehow stop criminals from using them.

    Has no one noticed that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns? And that every infamous traffic stop includes a "driving while suspended" charge, to go along with "unregistered vehicle" "expired tags" "no valid insurance" and on and on.

    I can't figure it, but people need to be reminded of this thing about criminals: they don't respect the law. The main difference in recent years is that the mass media are on their side now.

    Replies: @donut

    ” If they were the law-abiding type they’d still have their licenses.” Yeah right but I have worked with a lot of them and can see how easy it can be for someone who is law abiding to get on the wrong side of the law and the current system makes it very difficult to get right but very easy to get in more and more trouble . It’s like an Ant Lions trap .

  93. @Uncle Dan
    People who are risk-adverse—- do their homework, brush their teeth, eat sensibly, wear their masks, get two shots, keep their pants on, are polite at job interviews, obey the speed limit, drive sober —- don’t end their lives as road kill. Maybe this suite of behaviors is related to intelligence?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    People who are risk-adverse—- do their homework, brush their teeth, eat sensibly, wear their masks, get two shots, keep their pants on, are polite at job interviews, obey the speed limit, drive sober —- don’t end their lives as road kill. Maybe this suite of behaviors is related to intelligence?

    Agree with the sentiment … but the road is different because that other asswipe can kill you!

    I’m not the world’s most patient driver, but the most serious accident i was in i was going the speed limit in the right lane of a divided highway, headed to a pro-social family activity, sober as a Protestant church lady, and a drunk driver failed to negotiate a curve, slammed into my door and sent my car flying off the road. (I’d just passed some big trees, so i thought “this is bad” and as i went flying down the embankment my life began to flash before me. But i’d only got to kindergarten when i landed “softly” in a lake–just outside of Smithville. Fortunately, just at the edge in a couple feet of water, the car was on its side and i just climbed out the busted out window, and jumped to dry land. State patrol arrested the guy–white guy–for drunk driving. I was taken to the ER and got the glass cleaned out of my eye.)

    My fault “zero” … other than being on the road, going to see my cousin in Houston for Thanksgiving.

    If bad drivers just killed themselves … wouldn’t be a serious problem. But … it’s often a two-body problem.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad

    The idea that wearing masks and getting two shots is "risk avoidance" is farcical. These behaviors are however indicative of a need for group identification.

    To suggest a relationship to intelligence is beyond satire.

  94. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Did accidents go up in states that legalized pot?

  95. @International Jew
    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    Replies: @Charon, @Wilkey, @donut, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    A rock in the stream is unmoved by the water flowing around it. (Usually.)

  96. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    [Asian points to the counter-stereotype of being statistically best driver]
    -> “Feh, again with the ‘Model Minority’ shtick! Be more BIPOC!”

  97. @Matthew Kelly
    How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Bill Jones, @J1234, @Kaz, @Corvinus

    I suspect you’re correct – female inattention is likely a bigger explanation for poor driving among whites than male aggression. Women have this belief that they can multitask their way through any situation. They may have a slight advantage over males in their ability to multitask, but they way overestimate their ability to do so. I have twins – boy and girl – in their late teens. My son has been in no accidents, my daughter’s been in three (albeit minor.)

    In my experience, though, elderly drivers of both sexes are a big problem too, even though older white drivers tend to be conscientious to make up for their age related lack of reflexes or situational awareness. Being behind them or trying to pass them can often be frustrating. I sometimes wonder how much old drivers induce other motorists to drive recklessly in an effort to get around them, and what effect that has on accident stats.

  98. @AndrewR
    @Steve Sailer

    A New York Jets coach just died last week after a collision with a car.

    Enzi seems to have not collided with anyone. Presumably he wasn't wearing a helmet, since he was found unconscious, but the news articles don't say either way.

    Gillette, WY doesn't seem to be terribly hilly but I wouldn't be surprised if Enzi crashed on a hill. My aunt is five years older than he was and she rides her bike five miles a day but she lives in Fort Myers which is not known for hills.

    Replies: @Grumpy

    Senator Enzi was wearing a helmet, but he broke his neck in the crash. There are few details in this article, but it mentions that he was near his home and no one else was involved in the accident. He was 77.

    https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/former-sen-mike-enzi-dies-following-bike-accident/article_956e0b8f-4ba3-5155-895f-3a31371c3e29.html

  99. A crash at night on a Minnesota rural highway just took the lives of four people (including 3/4 of a nuclear family). Seven Californians from wealthy Piedmont, CA, were in Minnesota for a family reunion. They were traveling in a new Ford Expedition that hit (or was hit by) a Chevy Silverado at an intersection. All of the fatalities were in the Expedition:

    https://piedmontexedra.com/2021/07/three-members-of-piedmont-family-die-in-crash

    Despite many years of experience, I hate driving on Minnesota rural highways. The drivers on those roads are the meanest I have ever encountered. My wife saved our lives once by driving into a cornfield as a truck turned across our lane in front of us. That was in broad daylight.

  100. @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn't got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mike Tre, @The Alarmist, @Bubba, @Art Deco, @Frank the Prof, @Johann Ricke

    A former US Senator, Mike Enzi (R-WY), was just killed bicycling a few days ago.

    Biking is great, as is trampolining, but it hasn’t got much safer over the decades like cars have.

    All exercise should be done with someone else present, just in case something happens. And, outdoors, that something can range from a fall to a mugging.

  101. @Matthew Kelly
    How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Bill Jones, @J1234, @Kaz, @Corvinus

    Is this a joke?

    Women don’t get into deadly car accidents.. They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kaz


    Women don’t get into deadly car accidents.
     
    Yes, they do. In a neighboring county, one of the earliest road fatalities of a recent year was caused by a young woman texting. The family of the victims would not be comforted by your statement.

    They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums...
     
    This enraged me forty years ago, not for its discrimination, but for its lack thereof. If you can discriminate between groups, why can't you discriminate within them? I was the cautious son, my little brother the reckless one, who crashed our mother's car while on leave from the Army and had to cover her higher payments for years. I took the very cautious and safe route
    step of waiting until I'd aged out of the high rates.

    A certain amount of the discrimination that black men complain about is not due to their race but to their sex. However, that would imply that black women are privileged, which would lose them female allies of all races. In the Philando Castile case, the rent-a-cop didn't discriminate-- between licensed and unlicensed possessors of firearms. (Castile further complicated the situation by being stoned. Arguably that made him even less of a threat, but cost him sympathy among gun-rights supporters.)


    Sonja Starr is the rare academic who ever focuses on this sort of thing. She's shown that just being male will add years to a prison sentence. I'm not so sure she's that food on other issues. As a non-subscriber, I can only read the first page of the following. There is a big difference in separating aboriginal children from their families and illegal migrants causing the separation themselves, and I'm curious how she treats this.

    https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/berkjintlw21&div=19&id=&page=

    , @Bragadocious
    @Kaz

    Diane Schuler's victims would like to have a word with you, except they're all dead. Then there was the rich woman in suburban NY who decided to beat a passing train so she crossed the gate and left her car on the tracks--with predictable results. Then the Facebook wine ladies all commented about how confusing those crossings are and to not judge her etc.

  102. @Veracitor
    The report you linked includes pedestrian fatalities in ‘Total Traffic Deaths’ (it also breaks out pedestrian deaths in some other charts) which is a bit confusing. The clearest indications of the report are that drinking alcohol and walking around at night are major risk factors. Possibly the White Death (from carelessness/intoxication driven by despair) is showing up here.

    Driver training is definitely worse now than years ago.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Feryl

    Wearing dark clothes while walking at dusk and post-nightfall (just because they feel like it, not necessarily any nefarious reason, bonus points for wearing a black hoodie with the hood up regardless of the weather) is regrettably common amongst youngish people. And they’ll still do dumb things like crossing the street at dangerous times, or just lingering in the street too close to traffic.

    In general, just don’t do stuff later at night if at all possible. Poor visibility, drunk idiots roaming around, and lowered impulse control seems to cause a lot of trouble to happen at night.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Feryl


    In general, just don’t do stuff later at night if at all possible. Poor visibility, drunk idiots roaming around,
     
    Some football coach once said, of players getting in trouble: "nothing good happens after midnight".

    As I've gotten older I've realized how true that is. Drunks, crime, Jogger-Americans, fights...you're better off at home and in bed.
  103. The science vs engineering (or as it is known at certain well-respected madrassas “applied science”) battle has finally broken out into the open:

    Long overdue. At the end of the day though the farmer and the cowman should be friends.

  104. @Anon
    In a previous post I argued that ethnic groups are also culture carriers.

    Illegal Immigrants to the US have a much higher rate of causing death and destruction from their driving compared to citizens. See this article for example: https://www.foxnews.com/us/dads-grief-leads-to-quest-to-count-deaths-caused-by-illegal-immigrant-drivers

    I submit that those illegal immigrations come from cultures that don’t value the rule of law as other cultures. Those illegals bring this terrible aspect of their culture with them.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Also, American natives are accustomed to a American style infrastructure, spatial geography, and driving customs. It’s known that immigrants often experience stress from immersion into a new land, and I’d think that would affect driving competence.

    Question: does being in an unfamiliar area within one’s country affect driving competence that heavily? As in, after moving within a country to a new region are people at that much higher a risk of crashes until they acclimate to the geography and layout of the new region?

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Feryl

    Most accidents happen within 10 miles from home. This was dinned into us when we were young. You must be very young.

  105. @Buffalo Joe
    As the husband of a teetotaling wife who has knocked down four different neighbors' mailboxes, knocked a front bumper off on a light standard, creased another back bumper on a light standard and backed out of our garage and heavily damaged the front end of my two seat sports car. I will put her up against any race, creed or nationality as a horrible driver.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I didn’t realize you were the father of Reece, Malcolm, and Dewey.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    I didn’t realize you were the father of Reece, Malcolm, and Dewey.
     
    Or the husband of Edna Crankshaft.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1c2d06IcAAFEm-.jpg
  106. @Kaz
    @Matthew Kelly

    Is this a joke?

    Women don't get into deadly car accidents.. They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bragadocious

    Women don’t get into deadly car accidents.

    Yes, they do. In a neighboring county, one of the earliest road fatalities of a recent year was caused by a young woman texting. The family of the victims would not be comforted by your statement.

    They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums…

    This enraged me forty years ago, not for its discrimination, but for its lack thereof. If you can discriminate between groups, why can’t you discriminate within them? I was the cautious son, my little brother the reckless one, who crashed our mother’s car while on leave from the Army and had to cover her higher payments for years. I took the very cautious and safe route
    step of waiting until I’d aged out of the high rates.

    A certain amount of the discrimination that black men complain about is not due to their race but to their sex. However, that would imply that black women are privileged, which would lose them female allies of all races. In the Philando Castile case, the rent-a-cop didn’t discriminate– between licensed and unlicensed possessors of firearms. (Castile further complicated the situation by being stoned. Arguably that made him even less of a threat, but cost him sympathy among gun-rights supporters.)

    Sonja Starr is the rare academic who ever focuses on this sort of thing. She’s shown that just being male will add years to a prison sentence. I’m not so sure she’s that food on other issues. As a non-subscriber, I can only read the first page of the following. There is a big difference in separating aboriginal children from their families and illegal migrants causing the separation themselves, and I’m curious how she treats this.

    https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/berkjintlw21&div=19&id=&page=

  107. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqKEgrPhHo

    I didn't realize you were the father of Reece, Malcolm, and Dewey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t realize you were the father of Reece, Malcolm, and Dewey.

    Or the husband of Edna Crankshaft.

  108. @AnotherDad
    Turn off the phone.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @S. Anonyia, @The Griffins

    Exactly.

    So many people can’t put their phones down for 5 seconds. At traffic lights you see their heads come up ( and most times their finger as well ) after you toot the horn.

    Put the phone down and drive.

  109. @JMcG
    I almost hate to point this out, but there’s been a Renaissance in muscle cars the last six or seven years. Dodge has the Demon that is available with 700+ horsepower. I believe they are wedging a big V8 into the Jeep Wrangler this year as well, which sounds ridiculous.
    The Ford Mustang GT gets you 450 horsepower for around 35k.
    The same engine is available in the F150, though it’s de-tuned a bit.
    I wonder what numbers the Insurance companies have on deaths/model.
    I honestly don’t see a lot of these cars wrecked, but it’s a possible factor.

    Replies: @danand

    “Dodge has the Demon that is available with 700+ horsepower.”

    JMcG , here is the latest ad by Dodge, released yesterday:

    Many Hispanics in the Bay Area do not carry insurance, and consequently, no license, in California. I have to believe this leads to more reserved on the road behavior. Slow, and low, seem to be more the the Hispanic norm. Both Black & White, are those exceeding 100.

    Around here, I see, follow, or am followed by, at least one “driverless” vehicle every time I venture out on the road during daylight. Shouldn’t be too far out before lives lost to the “car crash” begin their steady decline.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @danand

    Sends a certain message, doesn’t it?

  110. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Bicycle seats are bad for men’s reproductive and urinary functions.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Achmed E. Newman

    Tilt the seat down in front. Seriously, that’s all you have to do. You’re gonna know whether you’ve got too much pressure, or any at all, on those parts. When you’re not pedaling hard, your arms will be in compression a bit, but it’s easy to get used to. I did it years ago on the one same bike I ride a lot.

  111. I just posted this paragraph on the Simone Biles thread, but it’s much more on-topic here:

    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding barreled past the [Ethiopian restaurant] just as a car full of Africans backed out– yes, backed out– into traffic, and our driver had to stop on a dime to avoid fatalities and perhaps an explosion. We were all thrown, and, IIRC, had to fill out a transit incident card.

    The street would have looked like an injera bread plate!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding...
     
    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-man-who-beyond-the-age-of-26-finds-himself-on-a-bus-can-count-himself-as-a-failure-margaret-thatcher-71-18-31.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

  112. It’s because it’s hard to flip your car over when the mufflers are only four inches off the ground.

  113. @AnotherDad
    @Uncle Dan


    People who are risk-adverse—- do their homework, brush their teeth, eat sensibly, wear their masks, get two shots, keep their pants on, are polite at job interviews, obey the speed limit, drive sober —- don’t end their lives as road kill. Maybe this suite of behaviors is related to intelligence?
     
    Agree with the sentiment ... but the road is different because that other asswipe can kill you!

    I'm not the world's most patient driver, but the most serious accident i was in i was going the speed limit in the right lane of a divided highway, headed to a pro-social family activity, sober as a Protestant church lady, and a drunk driver failed to negotiate a curve, slammed into my door and sent my car flying off the road. (I'd just passed some big trees, so i thought "this is bad" and as i went flying down the embankment my life began to flash before me. But i'd only got to kindergarten when i landed "softly" in a lake--just outside of Smithville. Fortunately, just at the edge in a couple feet of water, the car was on its side and i just climbed out the busted out window, and jumped to dry land. State patrol arrested the guy--white guy--for drunk driving. I was taken to the ER and got the glass cleaned out of my eye.)

    My fault "zero" ... other than being on the road, going to see my cousin in Houston for Thanksgiving.

    If bad drivers just killed themselves ... wouldn't be a serious problem. But ... it's often a two-body problem.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    The idea that wearing masks and getting two shots is “risk avoidance” is farcical. These behaviors are however indicative of a need for group identification.

    To suggest a relationship to intelligence is beyond satire.

  114. • Thanks: another fred
  115. That’s Fauci’s hammer (look up his work with AZT). If you didn’t want to be a nail you shouldn’t have crowned his ass.

  116. [MORE]

    Speaking of amazing, Desmond weighs in:

    Liberal lol.

  117. @International Jew
    So the stereotype of the bad Asian driver turns out to be unjustified.

    Replies: @Charon, @Wilkey, @donut, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    I implore to view some of the car accidents viewed below (labelled “China”) and tell me if you’ve ever seen whites do the things seen within them:

    https://leakedreality.com/videos/accidents

    Asians die less in the US because there are a heck of a lot less Asians here.

  118. @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I was out very early one morning a little while ago when I came across an accident scene. A tree had fallen across the road, coming to a rest about five feet above the road surface. A white work van had hit it full on, no skid marks, in the pre-dawn gloaming. I stopped, assuming I’d only find bodies, but there were three Mexicans, or Guatemalans, or Salvadorans, etc. staggering around in shock.
    I checked, and they were the only occupants. I went down the road a half mile to get a cell signal and called 911. The dispatcher probably had me on the line for three or four minutes.
    By the time I returned to the scene, the occupants had vanished completely.
    The cops showed up a few minutes later and found half-drunk beers, still cold, inside the van along with the rest of a case. This was around 4:30 or 5 am.

    Replies: @Trinity

    I worked with a majority Mexican shift in a machining department where we manufactured rims for automobiles. Man, that had to be 100 degrees in that place, no wonder I was one of the few White boys that hung around there. Anyhow, every Friday night we would send the floater who relieved lines for breaks on a beer run up to the local convenience store around the corner right before the shift ended. IF the supervisor cared, he didn’t show it, plus the company was on the verge of closing and moving to Chihuahua, Mexico anyhow, so it was a little more relaxed than usual. I would always get a six pack for the road and maybe drink only two on the half hour drive home. Having already had one previous DUI, I wasn’t about to be stupid AGAIN. Every Mexican dude would get a 12 pack, sometimes a damn case because a lot car pooled together. The only thing about people like Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Colombians etc., is they cannot hold their liquor. We had a Colombian dude on our ship and the dude would be wasted out of his mind after 4-5 beers. Mexicans work hard and they damn sure play hard. Where they get their stamina and energy is a mystery to me. Must be the beans and rice.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie. Lyle Lovett has a song about riding around with his parents when he was a kid in Texas, probably in the early sixties. He mentions the cold can in Daddy’s lap, in a thin paper sack.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @Polistra

    We only get ourselves killed on the roads 40% as much as American Indians do. We're Number Four!

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Does anyone get killed while driving in a city? These measures must be especially confounded by which groups, per capita, drive a lot in the countryside. That and who is drunk while doing so.

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    I just posted this paragraph on the Simone Biles thread, but it's much more on-topic here:

    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding barreled past the [Ethiopian restaurant] just as a car full of Africans backed out– yes, backed out– into traffic, and our driver had to stop on a dime to avoid fatalities and perhaps an explosion. We were all thrown, and, IIRC, had to fill out a transit incident card.
     
    The street would have looked like an injera bread plate!

    https://www.daringgourmet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Injera-Creative-Commons-1.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    My bus commute was one-third as long as it would have been by car. We can't all afford personal chauffeurs. Or get driven by our wives to distant exurban commuter rail stations like the suits my stepfather's sisters married.


    Besides, Maggie had the Tube.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @iDeplorable
    @Anon

    We already know Reg is a failure. His full-time job is spamming Steve's comments. Also, shut up Achnad!

  121. @danand
    @JMcG

    "Dodge has the Demon that is available with 700+ horsepower."

    JMcG , here is the latest ad by Dodge, released yesterday:

    https://youtu.be/HF4Vk1k_IPY

    Many Hispanics in the Bay Area do not carry insurance, and consequently, no license, in California. I have to believe this leads to more reserved on the road behavior. Slow, and low, seem to be more the the Hispanic norm. Both Black & White, are those exceeding 100.

    Around here, I see, follow, or am followed by, at least one "driverless" vehicle every time I venture out on the road during daylight. Shouldn't be too far out before lives lost to the "car crash" begin their steady decline.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Sends a certain message, doesn’t it?

  122. Around 10% of road deaths are suspected suicides, could be an increase in country boys driving straight through a corner.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Jacobite not Jacobin


    Around 10% of road deaths are suspected suicides
     
    I suspect that this happens more than people want to admit, especially when they take others out with them.

    The circumstantial evidence seems to lead to biden's first wife driving into a truck and killing herself and kid after finding out that joe was having an affair with jill for instance.

  123. @Trinity
    @JMcG

    I worked with a majority Mexican shift in a machining department where we manufactured rims for automobiles. Man, that had to be 100 degrees in that place, no wonder I was one of the few White boys that hung around there. Anyhow, every Friday night we would send the floater who relieved lines for breaks on a beer run up to the local convenience store around the corner right before the shift ended. IF the supervisor cared, he didn't show it, plus the company was on the verge of closing and moving to Chihuahua, Mexico anyhow, so it was a little more relaxed than usual. I would always get a six pack for the road and maybe drink only two on the half hour drive home. Having already had one previous DUI, I wasn't about to be stupid AGAIN. Every Mexican dude would get a 12 pack, sometimes a damn case because a lot car pooled together. The only thing about people like Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Colombians etc., is they cannot hold their liquor. We had a Colombian dude on our ship and the dude would be wasted out of his mind after 4-5 beers. Mexicans work hard and they damn sure play hard. Where they get their stamina and energy is a mystery to me. Must be the beans and rice.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie. Lyle Lovett has a song about riding around with his parents when he was a kid in Texas, probably in the early sixties. He mentions the cold can in Daddy’s lap, in a thin paper sack.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    I saw a drive-through liquor store in Dallas-Fort Worth in the 1970s.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

    , @William Badwhite
    @JMcG


    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie.
     
    There are (or used to be, last time I checked) a number of states that had "5'0clock laws". Essentially driving with an open container is not illegal, as long as you're not impaired. Wyoming, Montana, and South Carolina come to mind. The logic is that drinking 2-3 beers in your car isn't any more dangerous than stopping at a bar, drinking 2-3 beers, and then driving. Also that there is nothing dangerous about passengers in the car drinking.

    Steve there are still drive-thru liquor stores in parts of NC. NC is an interesting state. Some counties are dry, others have drive-thru liquor stores.

    https://brewthru.com/

    Replies: @mmack

  124. I used to drive an 18-wheeler, and that gave me a good vantage point. The low Asian-American accident rate is because there is usually a violin in the car, along with the kid, being driven to violin lessons. You don’t want to risk banging-up that expensive violin (or the kid) so you drive carefully.

  125. Some fine driving here:

    Makes me want to hop on the old bigwheel again.

    • LOL: InnerCynic
  126. @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie. Lyle Lovett has a song about riding around with his parents when he was a kid in Texas, probably in the early sixties. He mentions the cold can in Daddy’s lap, in a thin paper sack.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    I saw a drive-through liquor store in Dallas-Fort Worth in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Steve Sailer

    There’s a drive through beer store not too far from me called the Brew-Thru.

    , @Reg Cæsar
  127. Some meaningful fraction of “Total Traffic Deaths” may now be caused by Amazon.com‘s slave-flogging delivery-driver-routing system, which coerces Amazon’s delivery staffers (who drive Amazon-marked vans to deliver Amazon’s packages under Amazon’s total and fantastically-hostile control, but who do not, technically, work for Amazon) to speed, double-park, and trot back-and-forth across busy highways on foot to deliver packages to more-or-less nearby buildings without moving their vans. For less than minimum wage!

  128. @Jacobite not Jacobin
    Around 10% of road deaths are suspected suicides, could be an increase in country boys driving straight through a corner.

    Replies: @wren

    Around 10% of road deaths are suspected suicides

    I suspect that this happens more than people want to admit, especially when they take others out with them.

    The circumstantial evidence seems to lead to biden’s first wife driving into a truck and killing herself and kid after finding out that joe was having an affair with jill for instance.

  129. Oops, that was not the video I had intended to post.

  130. @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    I saw a drive-through liquor store in Dallas-Fort Worth in the 1970s.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

    There’s a drive through beer store not too far from me called the Brew-Thru.

  131. @Kaz
    @Matthew Kelly

    Is this a joke?

    Women don't get into deadly car accidents.. They might get into more fender-benders but deadly costly accidents are the domain of men. Which is why we have higher insurance premiums..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bragadocious

    Diane Schuler’s victims would like to have a word with you, except they’re all dead. Then there was the rich woman in suburban NY who decided to beat a passing train so she crossed the gate and left her car on the tracks–with predictable results. Then the Facebook wine ladies all commented about how confusing those crossings are and to not judge her etc.

  132. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding...
     
    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-man-who-beyond-the-age-of-26-finds-himself-on-a-bus-can-count-himself-as-a-failure-margaret-thatcher-71-18-31.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

    My bus commute was one-third as long as it would have been by car. We can’t all afford personal chauffeurs. Or get driven by our wives to distant exurban commuter rail stations like the suits my stepfather’s sisters married.

    Besides, Maggie had the Tube.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lacking a button for “f—- out-of-touch unrealistic assholes like ‘Maggie’”, I could merely click Agree. Boy did she forget her humble origins and grow into her role as a member of the snotty elite.

    There’s nothing “manly” or “‘Merican” about poisoning each other, and our own children, by always driving our own vehicle and spewing pollutants into the air and water.

    Already living on an overcrowded island, “maggie” had to be pretty dense not to see the particular importance of lowering per capita pollution there.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @JMcG

    I saw a drive-through liquor store in Dallas-Fort Worth in the 1970s.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar

    I saw a drive-through liquor store in Dallas-Fort Worth in the 1970s.

    These are more common than you’d think:

    Lima-area drive-thrus offer customers comfort from car

    “Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Montana, Nevada, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nebraska, Hawaii, Alaska, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Vermont, Washington, Massachusetts are the 20 states that prohibit these establishments.”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Reg Cæsar

    More dumb-ass “laws.” Why not prohibit people from picking up meds that cause drowsiness from CVS Drive-Thru as well? After all, they might immediately take the meds and drive dangerously.

  134. @anonymous
    Who could have guessed that the complete and total acceptance of and acquiescence to hip-hop being the default music of young people of all races might have negative consequences for the continued existence of civilization ?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jay Fink

    Hip hop is actually less popular now than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

  135. My impression is young Mexican-American men are less macho now than they used to be.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Jay Fink

    Maybe because 10% of them “identify as” Mexican WOMEN.

  136. Asians may not cause many fatalities directly, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they contribute to crashes and road rage incidents by driving at 55mph in the fast lane.

  137. Whites are older on average so they are more likely to exhibit issues while driving. Steve, do better

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Sleepless

    I always thought young people, especially young men, cause the most accidents due to aggressive driving. That's why their car insurance rates are so high.

    Replies: @Sleepless

  138. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    My bus commute was one-third as long as it would have been by car. We can't all afford personal chauffeurs. Or get driven by our wives to distant exurban commuter rail stations like the suits my stepfather's sisters married.


    Besides, Maggie had the Tube.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Lacking a button for “f—- out-of-touch unrealistic assholes like ‘Maggie’”, I could merely click Agree. Boy did she forget her humble origins and grow into her role as a member of the snotty elite.

    There’s nothing “manly” or “‘Merican” about poisoning each other, and our own children, by always driving our own vehicle and spewing pollutants into the air and water.

    Already living on an overcrowded island, “maggie” had to be pretty dense not to see the particular importance of lowering per capita pollution there.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @RadicalCenter

    Best response to women like Thatcher is "women are failures if they haven't had at least 2 kids before age 26".


    Margaret took until nearly age 28 to have a measely two kids, one of them female.


    You really failed your country and your husband, Margaret (are all Anglo feminine names intentionally ugly?)

    Behind every smarmy, criticizing female is a disappointing or absent brood of children. And lack of children is the most pressing issue of our time.

  139. @Jay Fink
    My impression is young Mexican-American men are less macho now than they used to be.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Maybe because 10% of them “identify as” Mexican WOMEN.

  140. @Reg Cæsar

    More dumb-ass “laws.” Why not prohibit people from picking up meds that cause drowsiness from CVS Drive-Thru as well? After all, they might immediately take the meds and drive dangerously.

  141. @Matthew Kelly
    How much of that is goddamn soccer moms texting on their phones while driving?

    Ban women from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Bill Jones, @J1234, @Kaz, @Corvinus

    How much of that is goddamn dads checking sporting apps on their phones while driving? Ban men from driving and watch those stats drop like a rock.

    • Troll: The Griffins
  142. @MarkinLA
    Given the experience in my mostly Hispanic neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say no. Hispanics are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say it’s my fellow whites who are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws. Even when parents who put those signs down in their front yard that say “Drive as if your own kids were playing” (or something similar), there is some white jackanape who is barreling down the boulevard.

    • Replies: @The Griffins
    @Corvinus


    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood
     
    Wow, really?

    I would have never guessed that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @MarkinLA
    @Corvinus

    The difference is in my neighborhood EVERY corner with a stop sign or stop light has evidence of being plowed through because some Mexican ran the stop light. In fact, after the replace the traffic light, it usually only lasts a few months before it is hit again.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  143. @Corvinus
    @MarkinLA

    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say it's my fellow whites who are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws. Even when parents who put those signs down in their front yard that say "Drive as if your own kids were playing" (or something similar), there is some white jackanape who is barreling down the boulevard.

    Replies: @The Griffins, @MarkinLA

    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood

    Wow, really?

    I would have never guessed that.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Griffins

    Hello, GeneralRipper. So that's sock puppet number 3. Just stick to your original handle rather than attempting to be sly.

    Replies: @The Griffins

  144. @RadicalCenter
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lacking a button for “f—- out-of-touch unrealistic assholes like ‘Maggie’”, I could merely click Agree. Boy did she forget her humble origins and grow into her role as a member of the snotty elite.

    There’s nothing “manly” or “‘Merican” about poisoning each other, and our own children, by always driving our own vehicle and spewing pollutants into the air and water.

    Already living on an overcrowded island, “maggie” had to be pretty dense not to see the particular importance of lowering per capita pollution there.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Best response to women like Thatcher is “women are failures if they haven’t had at least 2 kids before age 26”.

    Margaret took until nearly age 28 to have a measely two kids, one of them female.

    You really failed your country and your husband, Margaret (are all Anglo feminine names intentionally ugly?)

    Behind every smarmy, criticizing female is a disappointing or absent brood of children. And lack of children is the most pressing issue of our time.

  145. @Corvinus
    @MarkinLA

    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood when it comes to the obvious signs that somebody ran a red light or stop sign and ended up in an accident, I would say it's my fellow whites who are worse drivers because so many willfully ignore the traffic laws. Even when parents who put those signs down in their front yard that say "Drive as if your own kids were playing" (or something similar), there is some white jackanape who is barreling down the boulevard.

    Replies: @The Griffins, @MarkinLA

    The difference is in my neighborhood EVERY corner with a stop sign or stop light has evidence of being plowed through because some Mexican ran the stop light. In fact, after the replace the traffic light, it usually only lasts a few months before it is hit again.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @MarkinLA

    "The difference is in my neighborhood EVERY corner with a stop sign or stop light has evidence of being plowed through because some Mexican ran the stop light."

    Now you're just clowning everyone here with this statement.

  146. @Feryl
    @Veracitor

    Wearing dark clothes while walking at dusk and post-nightfall (just because they feel like it, not necessarily any nefarious reason, bonus points for wearing a black hoodie with the hood up regardless of the weather) is regrettably common amongst youngish people. And they'll still do dumb things like crossing the street at dangerous times, or just lingering in the street too close to traffic.

    In general, just don't do stuff later at night if at all possible. Poor visibility, drunk idiots roaming around, and lowered impulse control seems to cause a lot of trouble to happen at night.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    In general, just don’t do stuff later at night if at all possible. Poor visibility, drunk idiots roaming around,

    Some football coach once said, of players getting in trouble: “nothing good happens after midnight”.

    As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized how true that is. Drunks, crime, Jogger-Americans, fights…you’re better off at home and in bed.

  147. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    The second-scariest incident happened when the city bus I was riding...
     
    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-man-who-beyond-the-age-of-26-finds-himself-on-a-bus-can-count-himself-as-a-failure-margaret-thatcher-71-18-31.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @iDeplorable

    We already know Reg is a failure. His full-time job is spamming Steve’s comments. Also, shut up Achnad!

  148. @JMcG
    @Trinity

    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie. Lyle Lovett has a song about riding around with his parents when he was a kid in Texas, probably in the early sixties. He mentions the cold can in Daddy’s lap, in a thin paper sack.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie.

    There are (or used to be, last time I checked) a number of states that had “5’0clock laws”. Essentially driving with an open container is not illegal, as long as you’re not impaired. Wyoming, Montana, and South Carolina come to mind. The logic is that drinking 2-3 beers in your car isn’t any more dangerous than stopping at a bar, drinking 2-3 beers, and then driving. Also that there is nothing dangerous about passengers in the car drinking.

    Steve there are still drive-thru liquor stores in parts of NC. NC is an interesting state. Some counties are dry, others have drive-thru liquor stores.

    https://brewthru.com/

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @mmack
    @William Badwhite

    Wow, Brew Thru, hadn’t thought of them in years. We went out to the Outer Banks over fifteen years ago now and hit their Nags Head store. You drove in, they took your order, retrieved it, and loaded it into the trunk or back hatch / cargo section. Good to see they’re still around.

  149. @Sleepless
    Whites are older on average so they are more likely to exhibit issues while driving. Steve, do better

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I always thought young people, especially young men, cause the most accidents due to aggressive driving. That’s why their car insurance rates are so high.

    • Replies: @Sleepless
    @Jay Fink

    Starting at a certain age, people’s driving ability declines. I’m going to wager we have never had this many drivers in their 70s, 80s, and even 90s who are insisting on continuing to drive. There should really be some examination of this topic of old drivers causing accidents, but I guess that would ruffle too many boomer feathers.

  150. @William Badwhite
    @JMcG


    I have to say, I lament the demise of the roadie.
     
    There are (or used to be, last time I checked) a number of states that had "5'0clock laws". Essentially driving with an open container is not illegal, as long as you're not impaired. Wyoming, Montana, and South Carolina come to mind. The logic is that drinking 2-3 beers in your car isn't any more dangerous than stopping at a bar, drinking 2-3 beers, and then driving. Also that there is nothing dangerous about passengers in the car drinking.

    Steve there are still drive-thru liquor stores in parts of NC. NC is an interesting state. Some counties are dry, others have drive-thru liquor stores.

    https://brewthru.com/

    Replies: @mmack

    Wow, Brew Thru, hadn’t thought of them in years. We went out to the Outer Banks over fifteen years ago now and hit their Nags Head store. You drove in, they took your order, retrieved it, and loaded it into the trunk or back hatch / cargo section. Good to see they’re still around.

  151. @The Griffins
    @Corvinus


    Interesting, because in my neck of the woods, given the experience in my predominantly white neighborhood
     
    Wow, really?

    I would have never guessed that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Hello, GeneralRipper. So that’s sock puppet number 3. Just stick to your original handle rather than attempting to be sly.

    • Troll: The Griffins
    • Replies: @The Griffins
    @Corvinus

    Not sure what you mean.

    Who's "GeneralRipper"?

  152. @MarkinLA
    @Corvinus

    The difference is in my neighborhood EVERY corner with a stop sign or stop light has evidence of being plowed through because some Mexican ran the stop light. In fact, after the replace the traffic light, it usually only lasts a few months before it is hit again.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The difference is in my neighborhood EVERY corner with a stop sign or stop light has evidence of being plowed through because some Mexican ran the stop light.”

    Now you’re just clowning everyone here with this statement.

  153. @Corvinus
    @The Griffins

    Hello, GeneralRipper. So that's sock puppet number 3. Just stick to your original handle rather than attempting to be sly.

    Replies: @The Griffins

    Not sure what you mean.

    Who’s “GeneralRipper”?

  154. I drive the highways and byways of the oilfield. If someone were to tell me that Latinos were better drivers I’d have to say “You’re shitting me!” Not out here. And you’d better watch out for that Latina who couldn’t drive safely if her life depended on it. I call bullshit on this. Just as I called bullshit on women being better drivers every time the insurance industry likes to batter you over the head.

  155. @Jay Fink
    @Sleepless

    I always thought young people, especially young men, cause the most accidents due to aggressive driving. That's why their car insurance rates are so high.

    Replies: @Sleepless

    Starting at a certain age, people’s driving ability declines. I’m going to wager we have never had this many drivers in their 70s, 80s, and even 90s who are insisting on continuing to drive. There should really be some examination of this topic of old drivers causing accidents, but I guess that would ruffle too many boomer feathers.

  156. While it is mostly desirable not to die while driving, this is not the only metric of good driving.

    People often blast teenage boys as bad drivers by citing their high fatality rate, but these fatalities are not the product of incompetence. Rather teen boys are prone to heroic driving combining high speeds with challenging maneuvers in an effort to achieve greatness. Tragically, some succeed all too well and realize posthumous greatness. This is not the same thing as being a bad driver.

    Likewise, Steve points out that many Mexicans once had a strong penchant for drinking and driving. To paraphrase Ayn Rand, drinking and driving is symbolic of man’s triumph over nature and the highest calling of any motorist. To die while driving drunk is to die a warrior-king. Every man dies, but not every man truly lives.

    So we should not take from these data the idea that Asians, that ignoble motoring race of bland Toyotas and driving below the speed limit in the passing lane, are good drivers. A more appropriate conclusion may instead be that Asians are exceptionally timid and cowardly drivers.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  157. @Polistra
    OT. Amazon has announced that the oldest Kindle tablets are losing their internet connectivity. The upside? Amazon won't be able to delete "inconvenient" material from your devices any more.

    https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/7/28/22598747/kindle-3g-network-shutdown-e-readers-no-internet

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    I purchased the latest and greatest Kindle from Amazog, but never once connected it to my account or indeed any network at all. The device has been in airplane mode ever since I got it.

    I obtain all my books from Library Genesis and load them onto the Kindle with Calibre.

    Highly recommended.

    Note that while there are competing e-readers (e.g. Kobo, which I previously owned until it broke), other than specialist devices (like the large, expensive note-taking professional tools from Onyx) they are generally inferior.

    The only real downside of using the Kindle this way is they won’t read .epub files, but it’s trivial to convert .epub into .mobi or .azw3 using Calibre.

  158. @Feryl
    @Anon

    Also, American natives are accustomed to a American style infrastructure, spatial geography, and driving customs. It's known that immigrants often experience stress from immersion into a new land, and I'd think that would affect driving competence.

    Question: does being in an unfamiliar area within one's country affect driving competence that heavily? As in, after moving within a country to a new region are people at that much higher a risk of crashes until they acclimate to the geography and layout of the new region?

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Most accidents happen within 10 miles from home. This was dinned into us when we were young. You must be very young.

  159. Whites are much more likely to live in rural areas where fatal crashes happen more, due to the type of roads and terrain. Roads in rural areas are radically more dangerous than urban or suburban roads. It would take spectacularly bad driving by largely urban minority populations to have a higher death rate than whites. Amazingly, they often do it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ATBOTL

    Whites are more likely to get killed during daytime driving.

    Also, whites live in icier climes on average, which likely doesn't help.

  160. @ATBOTL
    Whites are much more likely to live in rural areas where fatal crashes happen more, due to the type of roads and terrain. Roads in rural areas are radically more dangerous than urban or suburban roads. It would take spectacularly bad driving by largely urban minority populations to have a higher death rate than whites. Amazingly, they often do it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Whites are more likely to get killed during daytime driving.

    Also, whites live in icier climes on average, which likely doesn’t help.

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