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Autogynephilia is a sexual fetish where men who are attracted to women get obsessed with a fantasy of themselves as a woman. It appears to account for most of the high profile M-to-F ex-men, but that fact has been kept hushed up for years, with disastrous effects on naive adolescents who aren’t autogynephilic. Ray Blanchard of the U. of Toronto retweets somebody who says he’s autogynephilic who makes a lot of sense on the topic:

Ray Blanchard Retweeted
Kirino Imouto
@kirino_imouto

As a man with an AGP orientation, I have been well aware of my sexual orientation since I was a teenager and its importance as the main etiological cause of transsexuality. Yet, in this trans craze, it is mostly ignored when the reality is so clear. I think I know why.

Most transwomen have interpersonal AGP: the sexual attraction to the fantasy of being perceived by other people as women. Thus, they want others to say they are women and insist on the idea that “transwomen are women”. Pronouns are vital for their sexual gratification.

However, the recognition of the reality that they are men with a specific form of paraphilic sexuality breaks down the sexual fantasy that they are women. Thus, denying their sexual gratification. Thus, it is impossible for them to admit that AGP drives their transsexualism.

Homosexual non-conforming males often adopt identities such as “travesti” in Brazil and “ladyboys” in Thailand, but they never claim they are literally women: It is the interpersonal AGP types who claim to be women due to their sexual orientation

Thus, the whole “gender identity” ideology is driven by an interpersonal AGP desire among males who are essentially heterosexual men. They want to compete in female sports because it allows them to live the fantasy that they are recognized by society as females.

This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes that are being persuaded by this ideology that they have the mind of the opposite sex are casualties made to create the sexual fantasy of a few middle-aged men with interpersonal AGP.

I don’t know who this person is, but autogynephilic fetishists are often highly logical. Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.

It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

 
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  1. This means all people, including children, are being forced to participate in someone’s sexual fantasy.

    This is literally non-consensual.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @RichardTaylor

    But remember, it's all about who/whom.

    Your speech is violence; their violence is speech.

    Imposing your norms is nonconsensual; forcing you to enable their sexual fantasy is accomodation.

  2. As a society we have moved beyond that old 70’s slogan, “The Personal Is Political”.

    Now we have entered the era of “The Personal Is Medical”.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @anon

    Medical Martial Law, which has now been normalized, is how they will pull off the NWO Great Reset reducing the Peons to impoverished Techno slaves -- the Medical "Profession" at every level is full of NWO plants/lackeys/Faucis -- the CVirus bs was orchestrated thru them -- they have betrayed humanity completely -- the Rockefellers took over "Medicine" long ago and Gates is now the front man who has it all sewed up, the few decent MDs are censored and black balled....

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  3. “It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.”

    Tell that to Bill Gates and little Tony.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Oh, in those cases, JSOM, I doubt those two men are motivated solely by “fetish”.
    Much money and power is at stake here, too.

    Further, I bet you’d suspect (as I do) that there are are other, unnamed forces with a separate agenda/s encouraging those two men.

    , @Anon7
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    One issue leading to the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates was her meetings with lawyers in 2019, regarding her concern over his "dealings with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein," WSJ reports.

    Ruh-roh.

  4. To everyone who is flabbergasted by how far our civilization has fallen so quickly, just remember that the day will come five years from now when we would give anything just to get back to today.

    We are doomed.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Neoconned
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    , @BluEidDvl
    @Achilleus

    It certainly does make one wonder how much farther down the depravity hole we can go before it all crashes to the bottom?. I’m almost 60 & I’m seeing things I never imagined could’ve been possible in our society. If someone would’ve told me when I was 20 that there’d come a time when we’d openly allow young children sitting on the laps of transgendered freaks for “story time” in public schools I would’ve thought “that’s impossible, no way could we sink that low”.. but, here we are. It’s what writer Bill Bennett called “defining deviancy down”. Once a society throws out societal norms of morality then EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Look at the sexualization of young girls happening now. Mark my words, the homosexuals, then the transgendered & very soon the pedophiles will be screaming for “rights” & social acceptance. As sick as our (((culture))) has become, America will likely accept them with open arms..

    Replies: @Smarter Than Unz dot Com, @Ralph L, @TTSSYF

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Achilleus

    It wasn't sudden. It was a long, slow, engineered slide. We have arrived:

    THE FOUR STAGES OF IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION - YURI BEZMENOV (1985) (CONDENSED INTERVIEW) https://www.bitchute.com/video/lUqu0DBih3MT/ (Abbreviated 7-minute version)

    Yuri Bezmenov Deception Was My Job (Complete version: 1 hr., 20 min.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmU6dqMuR98

    “How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.” ~ Ernest Hemingway, "The Sun Also Rises"

    , @Freedomstillisntfree
    @Achilleus

    I for one am hopeful we might get a war between now and then and atleast fight it out before succumbing to the new order. Would be better to go down fighting for the chance to stop this than just roll over., even if our chances are slim.

  5. @Achilleus
    To everyone who is flabbergasted by how far our civilization has fallen so quickly, just remember that the day will come five years from now when we would give anything just to get back to today.

    We are doomed.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @BluEidDvl, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Freedomstillisntfree

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you’re reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That’s above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @JohnPlywood

    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there's almost certainly something mentally wrong with them....

    Replies: @fish, @Muggles

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @JohnPlywood

    If they're so rare (and they were rarer before they began to be mass-manufactured), why do they run policy on the rest of us? And maybe you ought to take your own advice and spend some time away from the internets. You always seem available to post your propaganda for your employer.

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnPlywood


    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you’re reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That’s above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.
     
    JP--try holding a logical implication through a whopping two paragraphs.

    And for the record:
    a) High IQ people who push stupid ideas are extremely destructive, not beneficial.
    b) Regular old generic white euro gentile populations include a huge number of highly capable people. Flyover America is full of plenty of guys--we don't even need the girls! for this--capable of running the joint competently and innovating dramatically. (As is clear from our history.)

    ~

    The reason it is "normal" (America) outside is due to the work of ourselves building on the work of our ancestors during more "normal"--i.e. politically--sane times.

    The current "normal" will not be sustained just on demographics alone. Continue our great cultural revolution and the "normal" outside in the future will considerably less pleasant.
    , @Altai
    @JohnPlywood


    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are,
     
    That's partly why things got this far. Most people just shrug their shoulders and wish them well, content that these issues don't touch anyone they know, their children.

    The reality is there isn't a lot of hate towards transgenders, it's indifference and it is allowing increasing numbers of them to fall into a meatgrinder.

    People don't look at the types of people who do this and think 'what a loss', which is the real scandal.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @mc23
    @JohnPlywood

    Look up up Hitler's estimated IQ and the IQ test scores of the top Nazi brass. Marx was genius too. With great intelligence comes great errors.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Lockean Proviso

    , @Adam Smith
    @JohnPlywood


    Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.
     
    The Inappropriately Excluded

  6. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, Jennifer Bilek is a freelance writer who has been writing articles exposing autogyn trans promoters for about a decade (she was deplatformed by them over something peripheral, and she then made it her life’s work to track them down and reveal how they have financed and promoted transgenderism; she also offers hair styling and portrait painting services).

    I just did a search on iSteve, and you’ve never used the string “Bilek,” so perhaps you are unaware of her. Here’s her blog, and she manages to get stuff published here and there on conservative or TERF feminism websites:

    https://www.the11thhourblog.com/archives

    There’s a lot of her stuff here:

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/author/jbilek/

    Here’s her profile of your former classmate:

    At the heart of the emerging “Gender Identity” industry is a man in a dress, donning women’s breasts with the confidence only a man could acquire after a lifetime of being a first class citizen. Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist and has written extensively on the connections between the two. Rothblatt believes that human sexual dimorphism is tantamount to South African apartheid and that transgenderism is an onramp to transhumanism – which is for him an exercise in overcoming “fleshism” ….

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/

    More of these guys, uh, gals, and how they create and fund zillions of nonprofits in a way that makes it seem to politicians and others like there’s a irresistable swarm of support coming from all sides:

    The Billionaires Behind The LGBT Movement
    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

    There’s a lot more.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Anon

    We sometimes see transgenderism and transhumanism associated as Martin Rothblatt does. AGP is one driver for transgenderism but for some victims it is also a gateway to the possibility of transhumanism. If we can change to another sex, then why not change to anything else you want to be?
    A lot of high IQ people have, despite their intelligence, gotten the illogical idea that if they can upload their personalities into a machine or clone, they somehow become immortal and evolve superhuman abilities. Silly of course; when your original body dies, it’s either lights-out or Pearly Gates, depending on whether there is an afterlife, but otherwise brilliant people want to believe that there is a continuity and that a machine running a simulation of you is still you. I think they need to all sit down and watch the movies Transcendence to see how that would actually work out. The best they can hope for is that someday bio-technology advances to the level of Star Trek Discovery where it would appear a person can be transitioned with 100% fidelity to the other sex like the main character Michael Burnham.

    , @kihowi
    @Anon

    How many of these 70 year old transsexuals are just panicky old men trying to cheat death by changing into the sex that has another ten years to live?

    , @James Forrestal
    @Anon


    Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist
     
    > Rothblatt

    >Supports transsexualism and transhumanism

    What a surprise. Let me guess -- he supports open borders, too... except when he's "standing with Israel" against the evil Palestinian goyim...

    Hmm...

    "Rothblatt considers "herself" a Zionist..."

    Yep.

    Very reminiscent of another "Fellow White" transsexual -- James "Jennifer" Pritzker, whose entire family is deeply involved in using their billions to promote transsexualism, the sacralization of sodomy, Israel Firstism, open borders [for goy countries]
    and related rootless cosmopolitan concerns.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  7. Clyde says:

    It appears to account for most of the high profile M-to-F ex-men…….

    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop. How many do? 10% of these nutjobs? I doubt Bruce Jenner has.
    These allegedly trans male to>>> females are really ramped up transvestites. They are men who like to dress, act and behave as women. I suppose high heels and lingerie are a must for this fakery and aping. The big difference today is that they can be enhanced transvestites due to all the modern drugs they have easy access to in 2021. Puberty blockers, female hormones to grow breasts and bring out more female traits. Other drugs I thankfully am not aware of.

    Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups. At least at night when Eddie Murphy might be cruising by for whatever. If they take a shit ton of female hormones, they too can claim they are transitioning. For extra Pokémon points of course! Transitioning forever, because some semi-sanity kicks in and they don’t get the P-chop.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop.
     
    And they are never women until they get all those 38,000,000,000,000 bodily cells altered. As Dr Reuben put it 50 years ago, they are "castrated, mutilated female impersonators".


    "You tell 'em, Doctor!"


    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/2020-09-18-Flip_Wilson_Geraldine_1971-nbc-wikimedia-860x573.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Clyde

    "Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups."

    E.g., that night at the Stonewall Inn.

    , @Adam Smith
    @Clyde


    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop.
     
    They are not ex-men, just guys with a mutilated penis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vRNO07e8uc

  8. Steve are you trying to tell us something? Are you secretly a gorgeous 26 yr old buxom brunette named Stevette that society should appreciate?

    That darn 140iq of yours…..

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Neoconned

    Actually, that would be Stephanie. I’ve never heard of a Stevette. Although I suppose it could be one of those made up Black names.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Spect3r

  9. @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there’s almost certainly something mentally wrong with them….

    • Replies: @fish
    @Neoconned

    .....that penchant for self mutilation springs to mind.

    , @Muggles
    @Neoconned


    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there’s almost certainly something mentally wrong with them….
     
    Now now. Only a few of those post here...
  10. Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., “tg erotica” proves that it is.

    Most of the dudes insisting that transgenderism is other than a fetish are just ashamed.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @thinklikea1l


    Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., “tg erotica” proves that it is.
     
    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it's not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, "hyponofetishism," etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @JohnPlywood

  11. As we know from neocon/jewish-driven politics, never trust high-IQ people with a fetish who try to convince you that things are true which are not.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @El Dato

    I first noticed this among Libertarians, where there is almost a fetish about contriving "clever" arguments for implausible conclusions. It proves how smart they are, and also gives them the pleasure of making you believe something absurd (cf. Dalrymple on propaganda).

    "A is really not-A, if you really think about it."

    As you say, the same with judeocons. Hence, "The conservative case for..." meme.

    Transsexuals' are simply the newest highly-aggressive, high-IQ, mentally ill group demanding their fun. Note the overlap among the three.

    If anyone ever conquers the world, it will be a Jewish transsexual libertarian. Perhaps Gene Simmons in Never to Young to Die?

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2MBLtU13G5A/UeyT5v9VdQI/AAAAAAAACjY/XWXRJsvufTY/s320/GENE-SIMMONS-NEVER-TOO-YOUNG-TO-DIE.jpg

  12. Homosexual non-conforming males often adopt identities such as “travesti” in Brazil and “ladyboys” in Thailand, but they never claim they are literally women…

    Maybe not, but these ladyboys are a lot more convincing than are the aging autogynephiles we suffer here:

    They drive better than Caitlyn, and no doubt would govern better than Gavin.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    "They drive better than Caitlyn"

    OK, let's not go crazy here.... ; )


    BTW: What do you get when you cross an Asian and a Mexican?

    A car thief that can't drive.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    , @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    I once met this beautiful girl in a bar in Thailand, we had a few drinks. The girl of my dreams. She even offered to drive me back to her place. I was excited I can tell you, almost too good to be true.

    We got to hers and when she reversed the car back into the garage perfectly first time, I thought "Uh oh, hang on a minute . . ."

    Replies: @Alden

  13. @Clyde

    It appears to account for most of the high profile M-to-F ex-men.......
     
    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop. How many do? 10% of these nutjobs? I doubt Bruce Jenner has.
    These allegedly trans male to>>> females are really ramped up transvestites. They are men who like to dress, act and behave as women. I suppose high heels and lingerie are a must for this fakery and aping. The big difference today is that they can be enhanced transvestites due to all the modern drugs they have easy access to in 2021. Puberty blockers, female hormones to grow breasts and bring out more female traits. Other drugs I thankfully am not aware of.

    Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups. At least at night when Eddie Murphy might be cruising by for whatever. If they take a shit ton of female hormones, they too can claim they are transitioning. For extra Pokémon points of course! Transitioning forever, because some semi-sanity kicks in and they don't get the P-chop.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara, @Adam Smith

    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop.

    And they are never women until they get all those 38,000,000,000,000 bodily cells altered. As Dr Reuben put it 50 years ago, they are “castrated, mutilated female impersonators”.

    “You tell ’em, Doctor!”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I thought that trans thing was real. Turns out that is Flip Wilson. Good and true quote from Dr Reuben!

  14. @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop.
     
    And they are never women until they get all those 38,000,000,000,000 bodily cells altered. As Dr Reuben put it 50 years ago, they are "castrated, mutilated female impersonators".


    "You tell 'em, Doctor!"


    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/2020-09-18-Flip_Wilson_Geraldine_1971-nbc-wikimedia-860x573.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    I thought that trans thing was real. Turns out that is Flip Wilson. Good and true quote from Dr Reuben!

  15. • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  16. Dumbo says:

    How is this different from believing that you’re Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with “high IQ”. We shouldn’t cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the “fetishization of IQ”, valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an “IQ” of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It’s just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that’s what you get for fetishizing “IQ” instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, “Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn’t write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.

    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.

    It means nothing. If a man really believes “he’s a woman” he’s still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    "fetishization of IQ"

    Almost nobody else has noticed that a type of ex-men tend to have very high IQs. It isn't predicted by anybody's ideology, it's just a weird pattern I started noticing in the 1990s. But that ex-men tend to be aggressive OCD/asperger types helps explain how much power they've gained over the culture. You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @ic1000

    , @TTSSYF
    @Dumbo

    Exactly right. I know several 130+ IQ people who did exactly nothing with their brains. They basically "dropped the mike" after college. Such a waste.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Dumbo


    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the “fetishization of IQ”, valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an “IQ” of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It’s just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.
     
    One thing that a high IQ allows you to do is realise at an early age that the world is an insane asylum, populated by morons and run by psychopaths. The psychopaths tell the morons whatever will allow them to take and hold power, and the morons believe whatever the psychopaths say and do whatever the psychopaths order them to do.

    Exhibit A, from the comments above: https://www.unz.com/isteve/adolescents-who-think-they-are-transgender-are-being-hoaxed-by-a-handful-of-high-iq-fetishists/#comment-4644485

    The only thing left to do following this realisation is to remove oneself as much as possible from 'society' and live your life as it pleases you. That Marilyn vos Savant can make a living solving crossword puzzles at her leisure from her waterbed indicates to me that the title of World's Highest IQ is well deserved.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    , @J.Ross
    @Dumbo

    To this point, there's s great new hard sci-fi novel (with the best rationalization yet of vampires, of all things) which has aliens, but they're sort of pointless aliens. They're extremely complicated 23-legged crabs spawned to talk care of an abandoned space hulk (which is the "real" alien). They have extrenely capable brains and potentially high intelligence, but it's totally absorbed in controlling their inefficient bodies. If a tranny spent every waking day of his life hyperoverrationalizing his delusion, then not only couldn't but shouldn't an IQ test be a walk in the park?

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Dumbo

    If you tell people you are Napoleon and they react shouting "Vive l'Empereur", the question is not whether you are the crazy one.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Dumbo


    How is this different from believing that you’re Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.
     
    Sure, but the problem is not that a trannies are suddenly taking over the world -- it's that people in positions of power are choosing to promote transsexualism. They could do the same thing with furries, or bronies, or foot fetishists, or whatever weird paraphilia if they wanted to -- that's the power of narrative control. All they have to do is incessantly promote practitioners of a particular fetish as an important "oppressed," "marginalized" group [i.e. high status in intersectional terms].
  17. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    “fetishization of IQ”

    Almost nobody else has noticed that a type of ex-men tend to have very high IQs. It isn’t predicted by anybody’s ideology, it’s just a weird pattern I started noticing in the 1990s. But that ex-men tend to be aggressive OCD/asperger types helps explain how much power they’ve gained over the culture. You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Steve Sailer

    Some associate it with autism. Others with psychopathy and narcissism. I think the link may be more with that, than directly with IQ or intelligence.

    I think it is just related to the fact that people with higher intelligence or with a very high talent are probably more prone to mental diseases or behavioural problems. Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour. Mozard and Tesla appear to have had very odd quirks.

    That said, this only applies to the "autogynephilia" thing. "Travestis" in Brazil don't seem to me "high IQ" types for the most part, but also they seem "happy" with their situation as it is, and are not particularly keen on protesting that "they are really women".

    Only these elite, rich, educated types are intent on insisting on that "transgender" stuff, and on forcing everyone else to accept their manias as reality. Of course, there is a transhumanist agenda too, which is being pushed for other reasons, and not only by transgenders (they are just a part of it).

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Anon

    , @Jake
    @Steve Sailer

    Your last sentence explains Jews. And blacks. And the WASP, whose origin story is about being the poor helpless innocent always abused and cheated by the Catholic Church and the French and Spanish, which held all power and wealth.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    > It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

    That's a good quote.

    > You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    That's another good quote.

  18. @Neoconned
    Steve are you trying to tell us something? Are you secretly a gorgeous 26 yr old buxom brunette named Stevette that society should appreciate?

    That darn 140iq of yours.....

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    Actually, that would be Stephanie. I’ve never heard of a Stevette. Although I suppose it could be one of those made up Black names.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    Actually, that would be Stephanie.
     
    S'tephanie
    , @Spect3r
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Not many Stevette, and indeed, most are black
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Stevette&tbm=isch&nfpr=1&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWku_E6L7wAhXUIhoKHQ-bCgcQvgV6BAgBEDs&biw=1581&bih=852

  19. @Achilleus
    To everyone who is flabbergasted by how far our civilization has fallen so quickly, just remember that the day will come five years from now when we would give anything just to get back to today.

    We are doomed.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @BluEidDvl, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Freedomstillisntfree

    It certainly does make one wonder how much farther down the depravity hole we can go before it all crashes to the bottom?. I’m almost 60 & I’m seeing things I never imagined could’ve been possible in our society. If someone would’ve told me when I was 20 that there’d come a time when we’d openly allow young children sitting on the laps of transgendered freaks for “story time” in public schools I would’ve thought “that’s impossible, no way could we sink that low”.. but, here we are. It’s what writer Bill Bennett called “defining deviancy down”. Once a society throws out societal norms of morality then EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Look at the sexualization of young girls happening now. Mark my words, the homosexuals, then the transgendered & very soon the pedophiles will be screaming for “rights” & social acceptance. As sick as our (((culture))) has become, America will likely accept them with open arms..

    • Replies: @Smarter Than Unz dot Com
    @BluEidDvl

    The young white generation is brainwashed into being self hating. It is going to get alot worse.

    It's no longer just social issues but also racial ones. Get ready to have alot of mixed race grand kids who may or may not also be trans.

    Replies: @Jeff

    , @Ralph L
    @BluEidDvl

    DDD was coined by DP Moynihan, not Bennett.

    Replies: @BluEidDvl

    , @TTSSYF
    @BluEidDvl

    You're probably right. After all -- if we're already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn't we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?

    Replies: @BluEidDvl, @dfordoom

  20. Dumbo says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    "fetishization of IQ"

    Almost nobody else has noticed that a type of ex-men tend to have very high IQs. It isn't predicted by anybody's ideology, it's just a weird pattern I started noticing in the 1990s. But that ex-men tend to be aggressive OCD/asperger types helps explain how much power they've gained over the culture. You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @ic1000

    Some associate it with autism. Others with psychopathy and narcissism. I think the link may be more with that, than directly with IQ or intelligence.

    I think it is just related to the fact that people with higher intelligence or with a very high talent are probably more prone to mental diseases or behavioural problems. Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour. Mozard and Tesla appear to have had very odd quirks.

    That said, this only applies to the “autogynephilia” thing. “Travestis” in Brazil don’t seem to me “high IQ” types for the most part, but also they seem “happy” with their situation as it is, and are not particularly keen on protesting that “they are really women”.

    Only these elite, rich, educated types are intent on insisting on that “transgender” stuff, and on forcing everyone else to accept their manias as reality. Of course, there is a transhumanist agenda too, which is being pushed for other reasons, and not only by transgenders (they are just a part of it).

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Dumbo

    "Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour."

    Or tenant. He once pushed his landlady down the stairs; he was forced to pay her a sum each month until she croaked. When that finally happened, he wrote in his diary: Obit anus, abit onus (The old woman is dead, the debt is discharged).

    There seems to be some controversy about the wording:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)61738-2/fulltext

    , @Anon
    @Dumbo

    Very good. The IQist worldview is a reductionist approach to human behavior. There is such a thing as mental health, as you point out. There is also a moral component to human acts: they are good or evil. A person’s IQ will just color the outward expression of an inner goodness or malevolence.

  21. I don’t know who this person is, but autogynephilic fetishists are often highly logical. Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.

    Perfect candidates for anima possession. Unsurprising therefore that they have such a cartoonish manifestation of it

  22. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:

    128 IQ. That is absurd.

    There’s obvious statistical bias with this.

    128IQ = men with enough disposable income to engage in their personal fetishes, while inoculating themselves from the career ramifications.

    For every one of these “128IQ” crossdressers, there is another 90IQ overweight lumpenprole looking at crossdresser porn and wearing lingerie on a webcam. Does he factor into the stats? How about the homeless guy wearing makeup, sleeping in a sidewalk tent? Does that count as AGP?

    I guess those cases are a little less exotic, so various Jewish spergs don’t talk about them?

  23. Maybe we should swamp the world with the lowest IQ Africans possible. The end result will be mediocre, but sane.

    • Replies: @Jeff
    @Svevlad

    Sure, if "stabby" and "murdery" is your definition of sane.

  24. And Q Anon is a baseless conspiracy theory?

  25. It’s a fantasy of high-IQ autists, which was taken up by low-IQ autists, and by globohomo in general.

    Today the kids watch “sissy hypno” and listen to audio-brainwashing programs such as “Bambi Sleep” and “Samantha Sez” and a whole bunch of various “Hypno Dominas”.

    This is perhaps the most insanely Philip K Dick thing happening under the surface, which everyone is pretending isn’t happening.

    Kek, there’s even a “white cuck” genre in hypno porn, and an “submit to black men” genre. Some pretty tragic stories about this on NoFap.

    If this crap catches you at a life point when you’re fragile and impressionable, and your school, the “healthcare system”, the media, and the state all pile on–you’re toast.

    Which is why the regular cycles of biochemical madness which at different points in life used to be socially encoded as “omg I’m so in love with X” and “omg I have a broken heart”, are today reencoded as “omg I was in the wrong body all along.” When you harness real emotional upheavals to an enforced pretend identity, it becomes “real” to the subject, even if this “reality” needs to be constantly maintained through drugs and hypno porn in a state of permanent mania.

    Once the inevitable depressive crash comes (this process used to be part of the very name “manic depressive” before they changed it to “bi polar” and muddied the waters, like with GRIDS becoming AIDS), they realize what’s what and try to kill themselves, and globohomo simply uses this as an excuse to promote the whole thing even more, because you see it’s evil fascist society that drives them to suicide.

    “Being born in the wrong body” is a concept you would expect to find in a stone age or bronze age society yet here we are. And it’s enforced through cutting edge tech, pharmaceutics, and censorship.

    The intermediate stage was when “ogm I feel sad and lonely” was reencoded into “everyone’s brain chemistry is all wrong you must become addicted to our antidepressants”. First they did this to adults, then to kids, and then the tranny thing could already happen through well-worked out mechanisms.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Thanks: Neoconned
    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Rahan

    I am inclined to agree. There's some good literature out there on how different cultures encode and express mental illness, especially mild anxiety and depression. It's been known for years, for instance, that the surge in anorexia nervosa a couple of decades ago was confined to western countries and even there manifested mostly among affluent young women. One author I read said it was rare in Asia and when people did develop anorexia it was in a different form to westerners (asian anorectics had no body dysphoria, a major difference).

    Learning about this has made me realise the DSM, always reverently referred to as 'the bible of the psychology profession' by adoring writers, is at least partially a crock. I don't recall seeing any references to culture when I looked at it. The manual acts as if its criteria are universal.

  26. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    How is this different from believing that you’re Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    I’ve think it’s strange that this is the one case where so many people feel the need to play along with other people’s delusions. So you’re a man who wants to be called “she?” No thanks. You’re a woman who identifies as a man? Then you’ve misidentified yourself. So you want to chop off your penis? You need therapy to try to help your mental illness.

    It would be cruel to, in the name of politeness, tell a mentally ill person who hears voices that you also hear the voices. Why is it considered nice to indulge trans people that way?

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Anon

    Anorexia is the example I find most useful. If adolescent girls who weigh 85 pounds believe they are grossly obese, who are we to say they are wrong?

  27. @BluEidDvl
    @Achilleus

    It certainly does make one wonder how much farther down the depravity hole we can go before it all crashes to the bottom?. I’m almost 60 & I’m seeing things I never imagined could’ve been possible in our society. If someone would’ve told me when I was 20 that there’d come a time when we’d openly allow young children sitting on the laps of transgendered freaks for “story time” in public schools I would’ve thought “that’s impossible, no way could we sink that low”.. but, here we are. It’s what writer Bill Bennett called “defining deviancy down”. Once a society throws out societal norms of morality then EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Look at the sexualization of young girls happening now. Mark my words, the homosexuals, then the transgendered & very soon the pedophiles will be screaming for “rights” & social acceptance. As sick as our (((culture))) has become, America will likely accept them with open arms..

    Replies: @Smarter Than Unz dot Com, @Ralph L, @TTSSYF

    The young white generation is brainwashed into being self hating. It is going to get alot worse.

    It’s no longer just social issues but also racial ones. Get ready to have alot of mixed race grand kids who may or may not also be trans.

    • Replies: @Jeff
    @Smarter Than Unz dot Com

    Once they're mixed race, the genocide is done and so the pressure to self-mutilate ceases.

  28. Jake says:

    It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

    Are we talking also about Jews and WASP elites misleading blacks into thinking they are Numinous Negroes who are Sacred Cows because that’s what the 11th Commandment says?

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    "fetishization of IQ"

    Almost nobody else has noticed that a type of ex-men tend to have very high IQs. It isn't predicted by anybody's ideology, it's just a weird pattern I started noticing in the 1990s. But that ex-men tend to be aggressive OCD/asperger types helps explain how much power they've gained over the culture. You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @ic1000

    Your last sentence explains Jews. And blacks. And the WASP, whose origin story is about being the poor helpless innocent always abused and cheated by the Catholic Church and the French and Spanish, which held all power and wealth.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Jake



    You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.
     
    Your last sentence explains Jews. And blacks. And the WASP, whose origin story is about being the poor helpless innocent always abused and cheated by the Catholic Church and the French and Spanish, which held all power and wealth.
     

     Right. The Catholic Church, the French and the Spanish have all never held dominant power or wealth, anywhere, much less abused such privileges. And the only ones to have ever assumed, cynically exploited or wallowed in the mantle of victimhood have been Jews, blacks and WASPs. Most certainly never Catholics of any variety. You just left out one thing, though.
    Self-awareness: How a lack of it is a uniquely, even exclusively Jewish, black, and WASP phenomenon. Or, at the very least, one never found among Catholics.
  30. @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexual non-conforming males often adopt identities such as “travesti” in Brazil and “ladyboys” in Thailand, but they never claim they are literally women...

     

    Maybe not, but these ladyboys are a lot more convincing than are the aging autogynephiles we suffer here:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtUSG8MJGw8


    They drive better than Caitlyn, and no doubt would govern better than Gavin.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Lurker

    “They drive better than Caitlyn”

    OK, let’s not go crazy here…. ; )

    BTW: What do you get when you cross an Asian and a Mexican?

    A car thief that can’t drive.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AceDeuce

    Congrats on sharing that joke your grandpa used to tell as a young man.

    The "can't drive" meme is a function of availability of cars. I guarantee if you could be transported back to see how your great grandparents drove 100 years ago, you would be absolutely terrified.

    Japan has a lower road fatality rate than the US, and it's 20 times lower than China's. Why? Because the Japanese have been driving for a long time, while mass car ownership is quite new in China.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce



    “They drive better than Caitlyn”

     

    OK, let’s not go crazy here…. ; )
     
    Caitlyn Jenner to pay $800,000 settlement for 2015 fatal car crash

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Deckin

    , @Jon
    @AceDeuce

    How come blacks and Latinx rarely marry?
    Kids are too lazy to steal.

  31. Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    Examples: penis disappearance, soul leaving body, resignation syndrome.

    ROGD is pretty obviously a culture-bound syndrome. The medical-academic-business complex has the terminology; it lacks the perspective.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Elli

    Thanks Elli. I wrote a post trying to make a similar point but yours is better.

    , @ic1000
    @Elli

    > Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    We are free to mock theirs. They'd best not dare question ours -- that's a Hate Crime.

    Replies: @Elli

  32. This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes

    This is wrong and is repeated because it’s used as a rhetorical device of ‘you people are engaging in conversion therapy’. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is ‘lesser’. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It’s just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    • Thanks: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/n1vz52/from_lesbian_to_gay_trans_man_lets_talk_about_it/

    Here is a thread about how many of them 'identified' as lesbian but 'became' attracted to men after their transition. What is really happening is that they got their special 'diverse' sticker from being trans and so could be free to like men and also feel distanced from female sexuality which scared them.

    So! A brief summary of my experience. I’m a former lesbian. I’m now a gay trans man. How the fuck did we get here? Well it all started back in ye old 2014 tumblr days, and by no means am I saying this is the universal truth or experience, but being inundated with so many cool and neat identities all of a sudden (I was 17 at the time and had never been in any kind of wider social media community) I wanted to be that so badly. I wanted to be cool and special and prideful! So I took some time to examine myself, and came to the conclusion I must be a lesbian. Something always felt a little wrong in me, and the idea of being with a man repulsed me. Ergo: lesbian. I met my partner on tumblr, and we both id’d as staunch lesbians up until two years ago.

    But it all always still felt so off. I thought what I was dealing with was debilitating comphet, bc I never felt attraction to women. All my fantasies and crushes were men, and the guilt was immeasurable. I coddled myself in that term, comphet, held it like some talisman that could protect me from my disgusting and perverse and wrong attraction to men. And it wasn’t wrong, in a sort of way. The idea of being with a man as a woman made me so viscerally disgusted, so of course I was! A! Lesbian!

    And then my partner realized he wasn’t a woman. And I had a crisis. If I didn’t love women then who was I? Except… you idiot… you never loved women. Four long years of lesbianism, and it was all a lie, and you know it. All of it was put on. All of it was a farce.

    And then I realized, wait… I can love men… as a man????
     

    , @Joe Magarac
    @Altai

    Blowback from latest wave feminism.

    Girls really don't want to be wimminz lib bitches.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence.
     
    Agree. The sharp inflection point and skyrocketing numbers make the point.

    This is another minoritarian death cult--like feminism--aimed at the fertility of straight white girls (and ergo straight white men).


    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons....
     
    We--badly--need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural "understanding" of the value of being a wife and mother. That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness and a vital connection to the future, to posterity, to our nation.

    We need young men and women to find each other again, and to do that they must see themselves as part of something, with a purpose and a future--the nation.

    Dump minoritarianism. Restore marriage, restore family, restore the nation ... and the future will be bright again.

    Replies: @jsm, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mike Tre

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    "generally feeling like being a woman is ‘lesser’"

    It's funny then that never has the culture been more "women are wonderful" and "you go girl".

    But it's also much, much too sexualised a culture. If you were 11 or 12 and some guy in the playground (or maybe your best girl buddy) is showing you hard core porn on their phone, might you not think that becoming an object of desire is pretty scary and best avoided?

    Girls of that age are herd animals - if all their mates love singer X, then they'd better love him too. Twenty years ago these disturbed girls would have been cutting their arms.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @photondancer
    @Altai

    And Reddit allows these subreddits to continue, while purging feminist and gender-critical subreddits. Which is why I never read Reddit any more.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  33. @Neoconned
    @JohnPlywood

    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there's almost certainly something mentally wrong with them....

    Replies: @fish, @Muggles

    …..that penchant for self mutilation springs to mind.

  34. @Achilleus
    To everyone who is flabbergasted by how far our civilization has fallen so quickly, just remember that the day will come five years from now when we would give anything just to get back to today.

    We are doomed.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @BluEidDvl, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Freedomstillisntfree

    It wasn’t sudden. It was a long, slow, engineered slide. We have arrived:

    THE FOUR STAGES OF IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION – YURI BEZMENOV (1985) (CONDENSED INTERVIEW)


    (Abbreviated 7-minute version)

    Yuri Bezmenov Deception Was My Job (Complete version: 1 hr., 20 min.)

    “How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.” ~ Ernest Hemingway, “The Sun Also Rises”

  35. For instance here is a thread where FtMs talk about how most really aren’t into women but have come to realise that they were just disgusted (Or afraid) with being the woman in a sexual relationship and since becoming ‘trans’ they are open in their attraction to men.

    Were you lesbian before trans? from ftm

  36. @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    If they’re so rare (and they were rarer before they began to be mass-manufactured), why do they run policy on the rest of us? And maybe you ought to take your own advice and spend some time away from the internets. You always seem available to post your propaganda for your employer.

  37. It might have started as a wimpy and high IQ male fetish, but it is now bigger then that. I think with the adolescent thing you are underestimating the power of female school shrinks and mommy monsters. Actually the initial high IQ men were probably coddled by a domineering mothers.

    Altari is also right, transgenderism is quickly becoming a female to male thing. That might explain Plan Parenthood’s role in this movement now. Trannies like gays will be good foot soldiers and officers in the rich man’s looming reset. Ultimately it is their game that oddly women are gleefully turning their kids over for.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Old and Grumpy


    Altari is also right, transgenderism is quickly becoming a female to male thing. That might explain Plan Parenthood’s role in this movement now.
     
    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  38. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Neoconned

    Actually, that would be Stephanie. I’ve never heard of a Stevette. Although I suppose it could be one of those made up Black names.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Spect3r

    Actually, that would be Stephanie.

    S’tephanie

  39. Does this not describe Caitlyn Jenner to a T? I listened to the interview without watching it, just to hear what he had to say without being distracted by the messenger, and he comes across as rational and intelligent.

  40. @BluEidDvl
    @Achilleus

    It certainly does make one wonder how much farther down the depravity hole we can go before it all crashes to the bottom?. I’m almost 60 & I’m seeing things I never imagined could’ve been possible in our society. If someone would’ve told me when I was 20 that there’d come a time when we’d openly allow young children sitting on the laps of transgendered freaks for “story time” in public schools I would’ve thought “that’s impossible, no way could we sink that low”.. but, here we are. It’s what writer Bill Bennett called “defining deviancy down”. Once a society throws out societal norms of morality then EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Look at the sexualization of young girls happening now. Mark my words, the homosexuals, then the transgendered & very soon the pedophiles will be screaming for “rights” & social acceptance. As sick as our (((culture))) has become, America will likely accept them with open arms..

    Replies: @Smarter Than Unz dot Com, @Ralph L, @TTSSYF

    DDD was coined by DP Moynihan, not Bennett.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    @Ralph L

    Oh, okay, thanks..

  41. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    Exactly right. I know several 130+ IQ people who did exactly nothing with their brains. They basically “dropped the mike” after college. Such a waste.

  42. @BluEidDvl
    @Achilleus

    It certainly does make one wonder how much farther down the depravity hole we can go before it all crashes to the bottom?. I’m almost 60 & I’m seeing things I never imagined could’ve been possible in our society. If someone would’ve told me when I was 20 that there’d come a time when we’d openly allow young children sitting on the laps of transgendered freaks for “story time” in public schools I would’ve thought “that’s impossible, no way could we sink that low”.. but, here we are. It’s what writer Bill Bennett called “defining deviancy down”. Once a society throws out societal norms of morality then EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Look at the sexualization of young girls happening now. Mark my words, the homosexuals, then the transgendered & very soon the pedophiles will be screaming for “rights” & social acceptance. As sick as our (((culture))) has become, America will likely accept them with open arms..

    Replies: @Smarter Than Unz dot Com, @Ralph L, @TTSSYF

    You’re probably right. After all — if we’re already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn’t we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    @TTSSYF

    Wouldn’t surprise me. This world is absolutely horrific in so many ways. I try not to sink into despair, cynicism & nihilism but to extrapolate where this is all heading makes that a typical state of mind?. I have three grandchildren that I love more that life itself, two amazing young grandsons & a beautiful 11 year old granddaughter, what kind of world are we leaving them?. What kind of society will they face in adulthood?. I try my best to be hopeful for their sakes & my two daughters, but what is coming fills me with dread for their futures..

    , @dfordoom
    @TTSSYF


    You’re probably right. After all — if we’re already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn’t we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?
     
    The trans thing among children and teenagers is not about sex. It's about rejecting sex. Rejecting their own sexuality. Suppressing their own sexuality. It's about identity, not sex. It's young people who have not been given any sensible guidance about making the move from childhood to adulthood. It's about children wanting to remain children forever.

    What's happening today is very very different from the Sexual Revolution of the 60s. The Sexual Revolution of the 60s was all about celebrating sex and sexuality. It was a libertarian sexual revolution.

    The Gender Identity Revolution of today is a puritan revolution. It's all about fear of sex, anxiety about sex, shame and guilt about sex. And fear of adulthood and adult sexual relationships. In many ways it's the polar opposite of the 60s/70s Sexual Revolution.

    So I don't think it has anything to do with pedophiles.

    In fact what we're seeing today is the Gender Identity Revolution happening at the same time as an increasing shift towards sexual puritanism. Pedophilia is more disapproved of today than at any time in the past hundred years, and it's becoming more and more disapproved of.

    The idea that we're moving in the direction of sexual libertinism is right-wing hysteria. What's happening today is very very bad and very very unhealthy but it's more of a weird twisted Anti-Sexual Revolution. The worst thing that is happening today is the denormalisation of normal heterosexuality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

  43. Autogynephilia: a smarty-pants sounding way of identifying someone as a pervert. Now break out the grant money! We need millions of dollars to research a topic that the rest of civilization figured out in 5 minutes: Keep these perverts away from kids and out of the public eye by any means necessary.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
  44. Altai says:
    @Altai

    This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes
     
    This is wrong and is repeated because it's used as a rhetorical device of 'you people are engaging in conversion therapy'. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is 'lesser'. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It's just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Magarac, @AnotherDad, @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer

    From lesbian to gay trans man; let’s talk about it, guys from ftm

    Here is a thread about how many of them ‘identified’ as lesbian but ‘became’ attracted to men after their transition. What is really happening is that they got their special ‘diverse’ sticker from being trans and so could be free to like men and also feel distanced from female sexuality which scared them.

    So! A brief summary of my experience. I’m a former lesbian. I’m now a gay trans man. How the fuck did we get here? Well it all started back in ye old 2014 tumblr days, and by no means am I saying this is the universal truth or experience, but being inundated with so many cool and neat identities all of a sudden (I was 17 at the time and had never been in any kind of wider social media community) I wanted to be that so badly. I wanted to be cool and special and prideful! So I took some time to examine myself, and came to the conclusion I must be a lesbian. Something always felt a little wrong in me, and the idea of being with a man repulsed me. Ergo: lesbian. I met my partner on tumblr, and we both id’d as staunch lesbians up until two years ago.

    But it all always still felt so off. I thought what I was dealing with was debilitating comphet, bc I never felt attraction to women. All my fantasies and crushes were men, and the guilt was immeasurable. I coddled myself in that term, comphet, held it like some talisman that could protect me from my disgusting and perverse and wrong attraction to men. And it wasn’t wrong, in a sort of way. The idea of being with a man as a woman made me so viscerally disgusted, so of course I was! A! Lesbian!

    And then my partner realized he wasn’t a woman. And I had a crisis. If I didn’t love women then who was I? Except… you idiot… you never loved women. Four long years of lesbianism, and it was all a lie, and you know it. All of it was put on. All of it was a farce.

    And then I realized, wait… I can love men… as a man????

    • Thanks: Rob
  45. Do you mean they actually bone up when you use their preferred pronouns?
    Eww.
    If they don’t bone up because of hormonal treatment, doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
    Serious questions.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    This started with "gay marriage". I had a male supervisor who kept referring to "my husband" at every opportunity, and it occurred to me this was all about forcing everyone to play along with his marital fantasy. (BTW, there is a genre of "shemale wedding night" porn).

  46. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the “fetishization of IQ”, valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an “IQ” of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It’s just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    One thing that a high IQ allows you to do is realise at an early age that the world is an insane asylum, populated by morons and run by psychopaths. The psychopaths tell the morons whatever will allow them to take and hold power, and the morons believe whatever the psychopaths say and do whatever the psychopaths order them to do.

    Exhibit A, from the comments above: https://www.unz.com/isteve/adolescents-who-think-they-are-transgender-are-being-hoaxed-by-a-handful-of-high-iq-fetishists/#comment-4644485

    The only thing left to do following this realisation is to remove oneself as much as possible from ‘society’ and live your life as it pleases you. That Marilyn vos Savant can make a living solving crossword puzzles at her leisure from her waterbed indicates to me that the title of World’s Highest IQ is well deserved.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Have you spent your life battling the League of Morons?

    https://youtu.be/4s5yLX9mVeY

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

  47. Pronouns are vital for their sexual gratification.

    I’m pretty sure that even if “they” were to come into common use as the standard third person singular pronoun, transmen would continue to insist that you refer to them as “she”.

    • Replies: @jb
    @jb

    Oops, I just realized I munged my pronouns. I meant to say that even if a gender neutral singular pronoun were available, transwomen would continue to insist that you refer to them as “she”. At least I think that's what I meant. I'm so confused...

  48. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish."

    Tell that to Bill Gates and little Tony.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Anon7

    Oh, in those cases, JSOM, I doubt those two men are motivated solely by “fetish”.
    Much money and power is at stake here, too.

    Further, I bet you’d suspect (as I do) that there are are other, unnamed forces with a separate agenda/s encouraging those two men.

  49. In other words, ” they’re f**k**g nuts!!”

  50. @Altai

    This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes
     
    This is wrong and is repeated because it's used as a rhetorical device of 'you people are engaging in conversion therapy'. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is 'lesser'. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It's just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Magarac, @AnotherDad, @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer

    Blowback from latest wave feminism.

    Girls really don’t want to be wimminz lib bitches.

  51. @thinklikea1l
    Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., "tg erotica" proves that it is.

    Most of the dudes insisting that transgenderism is other than a fetish are just ashamed.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., “tg erotica” proves that it is.

    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it’s not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, “hyponofetishism,” etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Thomas


    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it’s not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, “hyponofetishism,” etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.
     
    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.

    These types of fetishists used to stay very much in the closet but they were around. Now they're out of the closet and now there are billionaires who are prepared to fund and promote the transgender stuff so ordinary people have become uncomfortably aware of their existence. And they're now allowed to dictate government policy because of those billionaires, and because of an irresponsible media and cowardly cynical politicians.

    I liked it better when they were in the closet, but they've always been around.

    People on the far right like to think there are simple answers to everything - it's all the fault of immigration, it's all the fault of porn, it's all the fault of the Jews, etc. But most of our social problems are more complex than that, and a lot of our social problems are things that have always existed but now they're magnified and exacerbated by the media and especially by social media.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Thomas

    It's always easy to spot the ex-Leftist feminists on the dissident right, when they blame pornography for non-problems among the male population. The online alt-right is where the "kill all men" feminists of the 20th century ended up after immigration made them realize how unsightly they are in the face of feminine nonwhite women.

    C'mon, Thomas... We all know your real name is Tammy.

  52. @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you’re reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That’s above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    JP–try holding a logical implication through a whopping two paragraphs.

    And for the record:
    a) High IQ people who push stupid ideas are extremely destructive, not beneficial.
    b) Regular old generic white euro gentile populations include a huge number of highly capable people. Flyover America is full of plenty of guys–we don’t even need the girls! for this–capable of running the joint competently and innovating dramatically. (As is clear from our history.)

    ~

    The reason it is “normal” (America) outside is due to the work of ourselves building on the work of our ancestors during more “normal”–i.e. politically–sane times.

    The current “normal” will not be sustained just on demographics alone. Continue our great cultural revolution and the “normal” outside in the future will considerably less pleasant.

  53. My theory about most mtf trans is they’re gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren’t very straight.

    • Replies: @ken
    @Ralph L

    But what are these guys? You can't call them gay or straight. The dudes who crave screwing "trans women" don't get discussed enough.

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Ralph L


    My theory about most mtf trans is they’re gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren’t very straight.
     
    This may be true for about half of MtF trans. The other half identify as lesbian. They make a nuisance of themselves at events intended for real lesbians - hence the emergence of the TERFs. A 50% lesbianism rate is itself a sign that the MtF trans are not real women - among whom the rate is much lower.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Ralph L

    Not quite...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Transgender_women

    A 2015 survey of roughly 3,000 American trans women showed that at least 60% were attracted to women. Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.

    ................
    A 2015 survey of roughly 2000 American trans men showed more variation in sexual orientation or sexual identity among trans men. 23% identified as heterosexual or straight. The vast majority (65%) identified their sexual orientation or sexual identity as queer (24%), pansexual (17%), bisexual (12%), gay/same-gender loving (12%), asexual (7%), and 5% did not answer.


    It seems that both types of trannies actually prefer- women.

    Replies: @Jon

  54. They want to compete in female sports because it allows them to live the fantasy that they are recognized by society as females.

    They just can’t be satisfied with their participation trophies.

  55. @Thomas
    @thinklikea1l


    Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., “tg erotica” proves that it is.
     
    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it's not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, "hyponofetishism," etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @JohnPlywood

    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it’s not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, “hyponofetishism,” etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.

    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.

    These types of fetishists used to stay very much in the closet but they were around. Now they’re out of the closet and now there are billionaires who are prepared to fund and promote the transgender stuff so ordinary people have become uncomfortably aware of their existence. And they’re now allowed to dictate government policy because of those billionaires, and because of an irresponsible media and cowardly cynical politicians.

    I liked it better when they were in the closet, but they’ve always been around.

    People on the far right like to think there are simple answers to everything – it’s all the fault of immigration, it’s all the fault of porn, it’s all the fault of the Jews, etc. But most of our social problems are more complex than that, and a lot of our social problems are things that have always existed but now they’re magnified and exacerbated by the media and especially by social media.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @dfordoom


    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.
     
    We don't hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  56. @Altai

    This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes
     
    This is wrong and is repeated because it's used as a rhetorical device of 'you people are engaging in conversion therapy'. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is 'lesser'. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It's just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Magarac, @AnotherDad, @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer

    The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence.

    Agree. The sharp inflection point and skyrocketing numbers make the point.

    This is another minoritarian death cult–like feminism–aimed at the fertility of straight white girls (and ergo straight white men).

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons….

    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural “understanding” of the value of being a wife and mother. That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness and a vital connection to the future, to posterity, to our nation.

    We need young men and women to find each other again, and to do that they must see themselves as part of something, with a purpose and a future–the nation.

    Dump minoritarianism. Restore marriage, restore family, restore the nation … and the future will be bright again.

    • Agree: Cortes, Charlotte
    • Replies: @jsm
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural “understanding” of the value of being a wife and mother.
     
    This is correct.

    Feminism, the genesis of all that ails us, caught on in the '60s because of the prevailing attitudes of contempt and belittling in American society for women's work, encapsulated in the phrase "just" a housewife..."just" a mom.

    Girls heard that. Heard it loud and clear growing up, and being silly girls, told themselves, "Well, okay, since being a wife and mom, like my mom did, is such a parasitic, low-life, disgusting thing to be doing, I'm not doing THAT." So, college, instead. And then play-acting at being Lady Lawyers and Lady Doctors and dumping the few babies they did manage to have, in daycare.

    Now those daycare babies are growing up to make really good Anti-Fa. The **fun** of acting out their attachment disorders on the society that abandoned them as infants, is irresistible.

    ... It is, as always, up to the men to fix this. Because you guys **are** the leaders. Tell young women, being a wife and mom is honorable, is the most important job in the world, in fact is the best thing that any human CAN be. That is the only way to convince the next generation of silly girls to make better choices.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism
     
    Boys and girls were less sexually dimorphic in the past. Hard to only play with dolls when you just have a stick.

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Maybe drop the "people are defined by their sex" that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    "We need young men and women to find each other again..."

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  57. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    To this point, there’s s great new hard sci-fi novel (with the best rationalization yet of vampires, of all things) which has aliens, but they’re sort of pointless aliens. They’re extremely complicated 23-legged crabs spawned to talk care of an abandoned space hulk (which is the “real” alien). They have extrenely capable brains and potentially high intelligence, but it’s totally absorbed in controlling their inefficient bodies. If a tranny spent every waking day of his life hyperoverrationalizing his delusion, then not only couldn’t but shouldn’t an IQ test be a walk in the park?

  58. jsm says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence.
     
    Agree. The sharp inflection point and skyrocketing numbers make the point.

    This is another minoritarian death cult--like feminism--aimed at the fertility of straight white girls (and ergo straight white men).


    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons....
     
    We--badly--need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural "understanding" of the value of being a wife and mother. That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness and a vital connection to the future, to posterity, to our nation.

    We need young men and women to find each other again, and to do that they must see themselves as part of something, with a purpose and a future--the nation.

    Dump minoritarianism. Restore marriage, restore family, restore the nation ... and the future will be bright again.

    Replies: @jsm, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mike Tre

    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural “understanding” of the value of being a wife and mother.

    This is correct.

    Feminism, the genesis of all that ails us, caught on in the ’60s because of the prevailing attitudes of contempt and belittling in American society for women’s work, encapsulated in the phrase “just” a housewife…”just” a mom.

    Girls heard that. Heard it loud and clear growing up, and being silly girls, told themselves, “Well, okay, since being a wife and mom, like my mom did, is such a parasitic, low-life, disgusting thing to be doing, I’m not doing THAT.” So, college, instead. And then play-acting at being Lady Lawyers and Lady Doctors and dumping the few babies they did manage to have, in daycare.

    Now those daycare babies are growing up to make really good Anti-Fa. The **fun** of acting out their attachment disorders on the society that abandoned them as infants, is irresistible.

    … It is, as always, up to the men to fix this. Because you guys **are** the leaders. Tell young women, being a wife and mom is honorable, is the most important job in the world, in fact is the best thing that any human CAN be. That is the only way to convince the next generation of silly girls to make better choices.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @jsm


    Feminism, the genesis of all that ails us, caught on in the ’60s because of the prevailing attitudes of contempt and belittling in American society for women’s work, encapsulated in the phrase “just” a housewife…”just” a mom.

    Girls heard that. Heard it loud and clear growing up, and being silly girls, told themselves, “Well, okay, since being a wife and mom, like my mom did, is such a parasitic, low-life, disgusting thing to be doing, I’m not doing THAT.” So, college, instead.
     
    Yes, I agree. That's because feminism was fundamentally misogynistic. Feminists despised everything about femaleness. Feminists admired everything about maleness. Feminists saw maleness as normal and femaleness as inferior and disgusting and pathetic.
  59. Altai says:
    @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are,

    That’s partly why things got this far. Most people just shrug their shoulders and wish them well, content that these issues don’t touch anyone they know, their children.

    The reality is there isn’t a lot of hate towards transgenders, it’s indifference and it is allowing increasing numbers of them to fall into a meatgrinder.

    People don’t look at the types of people who do this and think ‘what a loss’, which is the real scandal.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Altai

    Things haven't come far. Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/06/30/us-trans-map_wide-82e4424e3a2991a16b34d142e7c93b7cdc609974.jpg

    Note also that it's more common in Southern and nonwhite states, which are the least trans friendly. The negative/skeptical attitude toward transgenders is an attribute of people who are most likely to carry the genes for transgenderism, reflecting an inner self hatred and desire to cover up one's true nature, to protect oneself from a sense of shame.


    I suspect a lot of people on this comment section are trans ex-men, or trans ex--ex men, given the unquenchable feminine energy that keeps vibing out in waves. Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    Replies: @Jeff, @black sea, @Clyde

  60. @Anon
    Steve, Jennifer Bilek is a freelance writer who has been writing articles exposing autogyn trans promoters for about a decade (she was deplatformed by them over something peripheral, and she then made it her life's work to track them down and reveal how they have financed and promoted transgenderism; she also offers hair styling and portrait painting services).

    I just did a search on iSteve, and you've never used the string "Bilek," so perhaps you are unaware of her. Here's her blog, and she manages to get stuff published here and there on conservative or TERF feminism websites:

    https://www.the11thhourblog.com/archives

    There's a lot of her stuff here:

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/author/jbilek/

    Here's her profile of your former classmate:

    At the heart of the emerging "Gender Identity" industry is a man in a dress, donning women's breasts with the confidence only a man could acquire after a lifetime of being a first class citizen. Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist and has written extensively on the connections between the two. Rothblatt believes that human sexual dimorphism is tantamount to South African apartheid and that transgenderism is an onramp to transhumanism – which is for him an exercise in overcoming "fleshism" ....

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/
     
    More of these guys, uh, gals, and how they create and fund zillions of nonprofits in a way that makes it seem to politicians and others like there's a irresistable swarm of support coming from all sides:

    The Billionaires Behind The LGBT Movement
    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

    There's a lot more.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @kihowi, @James Forrestal

    We sometimes see transgenderism and transhumanism associated as Martin Rothblatt does. AGP is one driver for transgenderism but for some victims it is also a gateway to the possibility of transhumanism. If we can change to another sex, then why not change to anything else you want to be?
    A lot of high IQ people have, despite their intelligence, gotten the illogical idea that if they can upload their personalities into a machine or clone, they somehow become immortal and evolve superhuman abilities. Silly of course; when your original body dies, it’s either lights-out or Pearly Gates, depending on whether there is an afterlife, but otherwise brilliant people want to believe that there is a continuity and that a machine running a simulation of you is still you. I think they need to all sit down and watch the movies Transcendence to see how that would actually work out. The best they can hope for is that someday bio-technology advances to the level of Star Trek Discovery where it would appear a person can be transitioned with 100% fidelity to the other sex like the main character Michael Burnham.

  61. @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    "They drive better than Caitlyn"

    OK, let's not go crazy here.... ; )


    BTW: What do you get when you cross an Asian and a Mexican?

    A car thief that can't drive.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    Congrats on sharing that joke your grandpa used to tell as a young man.

    The “can’t drive” meme is a function of availability of cars. I guarantee if you could be transported back to see how your great grandparents drove 100 years ago, you would be absolutely terrified.

    Japan has a lower road fatality rate than the US, and it’s 20 times lower than China’s. Why? Because the Japanese have been driving for a long time, while mass car ownership is quite new in China.

  62. @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    Look up up Hitler’s estimated IQ and the IQ test scores of the top Nazi brass. Marx was genius too. With great intelligence comes great errors.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @mc23

    I don’t follow the Nazis, but my recollection is that the few high level officials who were captured came across as astonishingly average.

    Replies: @mc23, @Eric Novak

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @mc23


    With great intelligence comes great errors.
     
    What a true repository of virtue and wisdom sub-Saharan Africa muat be, free of all those dangerous eggheads! With America's average IQ falling, the future looks brighter every year.

    What's important is for a nation to have high enough average intelligence for there to be population-level resistance to bad ideas, and for there to be natural prevalence of highly bright outliers to generate good ideas and to thoroughly refute bad ones.
  63. Can anyone say, “Mental Illness?”

  64. @RichardTaylor
    This means all people, including children, are being forced to participate in someone's sexual fantasy.

    This is literally non-consensual.

    https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/9250/9781925089226.jpg

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    But remember, it’s all about who/whom.

    Your speech is violence; their violence is speech.

    Imposing your norms is nonconsensual; forcing you to enable their sexual fantasy is accomodation.

  65. @Clyde

    It appears to account for most of the high profile M-to-F ex-men.......
     
    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop. How many do? 10% of these nutjobs? I doubt Bruce Jenner has.
    These allegedly trans male to>>> females are really ramped up transvestites. They are men who like to dress, act and behave as women. I suppose high heels and lingerie are a must for this fakery and aping. The big difference today is that they can be enhanced transvestites due to all the modern drugs they have easy access to in 2021. Puberty blockers, female hormones to grow breasts and bring out more female traits. Other drugs I thankfully am not aware of.

    Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups. At least at night when Eddie Murphy might be cruising by for whatever. If they take a shit ton of female hormones, they too can claim they are transitioning. For extra Pokémon points of course! Transitioning forever, because some semi-sanity kicks in and they don't get the P-chop.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara, @Adam Smith

    “Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups.”

    E.g., that night at the Stonewall Inn.

  66. @TTSSYF
    @BluEidDvl

    You're probably right. After all -- if we're already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn't we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?

    Replies: @BluEidDvl, @dfordoom

    Wouldn’t surprise me. This world is absolutely horrific in so many ways. I try not to sink into despair, cynicism & nihilism but to extrapolate where this is all heading makes that a typical state of mind?. I have three grandchildren that I love more that life itself, two amazing young grandsons & a beautiful 11 year old granddaughter, what kind of world are we leaving them?. What kind of society will they face in adulthood?. I try my best to be hopeful for their sakes & my two daughters, but what is coming fills me with dread for their futures..

  67. @El Dato
    As we know from neocon/jewish-driven politics, never trust high-IQ people with a fetish who try to convince you that things are true which are not.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    I first noticed this among Libertarians, where there is almost a fetish about contriving “clever” arguments for implausible conclusions. It proves how smart they are, and also gives them the pleasure of making you believe something absurd (cf. Dalrymple on propaganda).

    “A is really not-A, if you really think about it.”

    As you say, the same with judeocons. Hence, “The conservative case for…” meme.

    Transsexuals’ are simply the newest highly-aggressive, high-IQ, mentally ill group demanding their fun. Note the overlap among the three.

    If anyone ever conquers the world, it will be a Jewish transsexual libertarian. Perhaps Gene Simmons in Never to Young to Die?

  68. Do we really know that the trans IQ is higher because of psychometric testing? Or do we merely presume it is higher, because the speaker is so fluent when discussing the area of his particular knowledge — and obsession. My analogy is when pro athletes are lured to make interview comments about some topic outside their sport, and we see that they are really embarrassingly stupid. Or when a Stuyvesant H.S. STEM genius is asked why the Ancient Mariner shot the albatross, or what some movie he just saw was all about.

  69. @Ralph L
    @BluEidDvl

    DDD was coined by DP Moynihan, not Bennett.

    Replies: @BluEidDvl

    Oh, okay, thanks..

  70. @JohnPlywood
    @Achilleus

    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you're unaware of how rare transgenders are, and you're reading too much internet gossip. Step outside and notice how normal our country is.

    Also, MtF masterrace ftw. 128 average IQ? That's above the Ivy Leagues. Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @AnotherDad, @Altai, @mc23, @Adam Smith

    Imagine wanting to exclude that kind of natural talent from society.

    The Inappropriately Excluded

  71. @Clyde

    It appears to account for most of the high profile M-to-F ex-men.......
     
    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop. How many do? 10% of these nutjobs? I doubt Bruce Jenner has.
    These allegedly trans male to>>> females are really ramped up transvestites. They are men who like to dress, act and behave as women. I suppose high heels and lingerie are a must for this fakery and aping. The big difference today is that they can be enhanced transvestites due to all the modern drugs they have easy access to in 2021. Puberty blockers, female hormones to grow breasts and bring out more female traits. Other drugs I thankfully am not aware of.

    Drag queens are transvestites. They are infamous for being nasty and (male) aggressive in groups. At least at night when Eddie Murphy might be cruising by for whatever. If they take a shit ton of female hormones, they too can claim they are transitioning. For extra Pokémon points of course! Transitioning forever, because some semi-sanity kicks in and they don't get the P-chop.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @James J O'Meara, @Adam Smith

    They are not ex-men unless they get that penis chop.

    They are not ex-men, just guys with a mutilated penis.

  72. @jb

    Pronouns are vital for their sexual gratification.
     
    I'm pretty sure that even if "they" were to come into common use as the standard third person singular pronoun, transmen would continue to insist that you refer to them as "she".

    Replies: @jb

    Oops, I just realized I munged my pronouns. I meant to say that even if a gender neutral singular pronoun were available, transwomen would continue to insist that you refer to them as “she”. At least I think that’s what I meant. I’m so confused…

  73. Crossdressing, by and large, used to be something that people did in private for their own enjoyment of one kind or another. Transgenderism seems to be done in public for the purpose of imposing on others.

  74. “Martine” Rothblatt apparently has cryopreservation arrangements with Alcor (scroll down a ways):

    https://www.alcor.org/about/

    I know cryonicists who think that Rothblatt is just ridiculous.

  75. @Thomas
    @thinklikea1l


    Autogynephilia sounds too Freudian to be real, but googling, e.g., “tg erotica” proves that it is.
     
    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it's not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, "hyponofetishism," etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @JohnPlywood

    It’s always easy to spot the ex-Leftist feminists on the dissident right, when they blame pornography for non-problems among the male population. The online alt-right is where the “kill all men” feminists of the 20th century ended up after immigration made them realize how unsightly they are in the face of feminine nonwhite women.

    C’mon, Thomas… We all know your real name is Tammy.

  76. @Altai
    @JohnPlywood


    To everyone who is flabbergasted: you’re unaware of how rare transgenders are,
     
    That's partly why things got this far. Most people just shrug their shoulders and wish them well, content that these issues don't touch anyone they know, their children.

    The reality is there isn't a lot of hate towards transgenders, it's indifference and it is allowing increasing numbers of them to fall into a meatgrinder.

    People don't look at the types of people who do this and think 'what a loss', which is the real scandal.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Things haven’t come far. Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    Note also that it’s more common in Southern and nonwhite states, which are the least trans friendly. The negative/skeptical attitude toward transgenders is an attribute of people who are most likely to carry the genes for transgenderism, reflecting an inner self hatred and desire to cover up one’s true nature, to protect oneself from a sense of shame.

    I suspect a lot of people on this comment section are trans ex-men, or trans ex–ex men, given the unquenchable feminine energy that keeps vibing out in waves. Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jeff
    @JohnPlywood

    "carry the genes for transgenderism"? Which genes would those be, or are you just talking out of your ass?

    , @black sea
    @JohnPlywood


    Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.
     

    I sense a contradiction.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Clyde
    @JohnPlywood

    Not less than---- Fewer than. Thank me!

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  77. @Old and Grumpy
    It might have started as a wimpy and high IQ male fetish, but it is now bigger then that. I think with the adolescent thing you are underestimating the power of female school shrinks and mommy monsters. Actually the initial high IQ men were probably coddled by a domineering mothers.

    Altari is also right, transgenderism is quickly becoming a female to male thing. That might explain Plan Parenthood's role in this movement now. Trannies like gays will be good foot soldiers and officers in the rich man's looming reset. Ultimately it is their game that oddly women are gleefully turning their kids over for.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Altari is also right, transgenderism is quickly becoming a female to male thing. That might explain Plan Parenthood’s role in this movement now.

    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Mr. Anon


    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.
     
    The end result is the sterilisation of young women. Not just sterilisation but sexual neutering. It seems to be an anti-sex thing.

    But whether it's an organised conspiracy - I'm not entirely convinced. Mass hysteria crazes seem to arise spontaneously on a regular basis in western society. Mass hysteria crazes are one of the defining features of our civilisation. Mass media makes them worse, and social media makes such outbreaks of hysteria much much worse.

    I think that there are several different things going on at the same time in the trans craze. The MtF thing is not the same as the FtM thing among young people. The autogynephilia among ageing men thing is another separate thing. The MtF thing has definitely been encouraged by an element within the elites. The FtM thing among young girls is possibly a genuinely spontaneous outbreak of mass hysteria but it is being encouraged by elements within the elites.

    There's also the cowardice factor. Many politicians and many corporations support the transgender agenda through fear.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  78. @Dumbo
    @Steve Sailer

    Some associate it with autism. Others with psychopathy and narcissism. I think the link may be more with that, than directly with IQ or intelligence.

    I think it is just related to the fact that people with higher intelligence or with a very high talent are probably more prone to mental diseases or behavioural problems. Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour. Mozard and Tesla appear to have had very odd quirks.

    That said, this only applies to the "autogynephilia" thing. "Travestis" in Brazil don't seem to me "high IQ" types for the most part, but also they seem "happy" with their situation as it is, and are not particularly keen on protesting that "they are really women".

    Only these elite, rich, educated types are intent on insisting on that "transgender" stuff, and on forcing everyone else to accept their manias as reality. Of course, there is a transhumanist agenda too, which is being pushed for other reasons, and not only by transgenders (they are just a part of it).

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Anon

    “Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour.”

    Or tenant. He once pushed his landlady down the stairs; he was forced to pay her a sum each month until she croaked. When that finally happened, he wrote in his diary: Obit anus, abit onus (The old woman is dead, the debt is discharged).

    There seems to be some controversy about the wording:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)61738-2/fulltext

  79. @Stebbing Heuer
    @Dumbo


    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the “fetishization of IQ”, valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an “IQ” of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It’s just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.
     
    One thing that a high IQ allows you to do is realise at an early age that the world is an insane asylum, populated by morons and run by psychopaths. The psychopaths tell the morons whatever will allow them to take and hold power, and the morons believe whatever the psychopaths say and do whatever the psychopaths order them to do.

    Exhibit A, from the comments above: https://www.unz.com/isteve/adolescents-who-think-they-are-transgender-are-being-hoaxed-by-a-handful-of-high-iq-fetishists/#comment-4644485

    The only thing left to do following this realisation is to remove oneself as much as possible from 'society' and live your life as it pleases you. That Marilyn vos Savant can make a living solving crossword puzzles at her leisure from her waterbed indicates to me that the title of World's Highest IQ is well deserved.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    Have you spent your life battling the League of Morons?

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @James J O'Meara

    LOL.

    Not fighting, just wondering what on earth was wrong with everybody.

  80. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish."

    Tell that to Bill Gates and little Tony.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Anon7

    One issue leading to the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates was her meetings with lawyers in 2019, regarding her concern over his “dealings with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein,” WSJ reports.

    Ruh-roh.

  81. @Nikolai Vladivostok
    Do you mean they actually bone up when you use their preferred pronouns?
    Eww.
    If they don't bone up because of hormonal treatment, doesn't that defeat the purpose?
    Serious questions.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    This started with “gay marriage”. I had a male supervisor who kept referring to “my husband” at every opportunity, and it occurred to me this was all about forcing everyone to play along with his marital fantasy. (BTW, there is a genre of “shemale wedding night” porn).

  82. @anon
    As a society we have moved beyond that old 70's slogan, "The Personal Is Political".

    Now we have entered the era of "The Personal Is Medical".

    Replies: @Getaclue

    Medical Martial Law, which has now been normalized, is how they will pull off the NWO Great Reset reducing the Peons to impoverished Techno slaves — the Medical “Profession” at every level is full of NWO plants/lackeys/Faucis — the CVirus bs was orchestrated thru them — they have betrayed humanity completely — the Rockefellers took over “Medicine” long ago and Gates is now the front man who has it all sewed up, the few decent MDs are censored and black balled….

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Getaclue

    This comment should have a gold box around it.

  83. @Altai

    This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes
     
    This is wrong and is repeated because it's used as a rhetorical device of 'you people are engaging in conversion therapy'. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is 'lesser'. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It's just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Magarac, @AnotherDad, @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer

    “generally feeling like being a woman is ‘lesser’”

    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.

    But it’s also much, much too sexualised a culture. If you were 11 or 12 and some guy in the playground (or maybe your best girl buddy) is showing you hard core porn on their phone, might you not think that becoming an object of desire is pretty scary and best avoided?

    Girls of that age are herd animals – if all their mates love singer X, then they’d better love him too. Twenty years ago these disturbed girls would have been cutting their arms.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.
     
    It isn't really. We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.

    I know this might seem weird but our culture has actually become much much more misogynistic. And that misogyny has been driven by feminism.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer, @Lurker

  84. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence.
     
    Agree. The sharp inflection point and skyrocketing numbers make the point.

    This is another minoritarian death cult--like feminism--aimed at the fertility of straight white girls (and ergo straight white men).


    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons....
     
    We--badly--need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural "understanding" of the value of being a wife and mother. That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness and a vital connection to the future, to posterity, to our nation.

    We need young men and women to find each other again, and to do that they must see themselves as part of something, with a purpose and a future--the nation.

    Dump minoritarianism. Restore marriage, restore family, restore the nation ... and the future will be bright again.

    Replies: @jsm, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mike Tre

    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism

    Boys and girls were less sexually dimorphic in the past. Hard to only play with dolls when you just have a stick.

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness

    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: photondancer
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "there are even more educated women now"

    Yes, and they have one designer baby at age 37. How is that a sustainable situation?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @YetAnotherAnon

  85. @Ralph L
    My theory about most mtf trans is they're gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren't very straight.

    Replies: @ken, @James N. Kennett, @Bardon Kaldian

    But what are these guys? You can’t call them gay or straight. The dudes who crave screwing “trans women” don’t get discussed enough.

  86. gent says:

    they somehow become immortal and evolve superhuman abilities.

    The fundamental mistake is this: they identify their Self with what Buddhists call the “Demon of Dialects”, what in modern psychology would be could called “verbal-procedural consciousness.” They think the words that flow through their heads are their primary self, rather than their “verbal stream” being a modality like vision, scent, emotional affect, etc.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @gent

    Ah, very good. The play of the skandhas is powerful, and true emptiness is difficult of attainment.

  87. AGP/Trans/etc. education mandatory in kindergarten.

    Hyperbole, you say? Search for “Washington Referendum 90”.

  88. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    If you tell people you are Napoleon and they react shouting “Vive l’Empereur”, the question is not whether you are the crazy one.

    • LOL: Catdog
  89. @Neoconned
    @JohnPlywood

    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there's almost certainly something mentally wrong with them....

    Replies: @fish, @Muggles

    Just anecdotal here but usually when they have that level of an IQ there’s almost certainly something mentally wrong with them….

    Now now. Only a few of those post here…

  90. Jim and other speakers throughout the weekend referenced the traditional Navajo story of the nádleehi. In this story, First Man and First Woman were at odds, causing men and women of the world to split into separate camps. The nádleehi were a third gender.

    According to the story, the nádleehi stayed with First Man, performing traditionally feminine tasks. They were essential in bridging the divide between First Man and First Woman, bringing peace to the land.

    This from an internet article on some Navajo gay pride event in 2011. There is a somewhat well known history of Navajos accepting what we might now call transgenders into their communities. They usually dressed as women and performed female duties.

    I am uncertain as to other AmInd tribal customs on that.

    This was going on before Columbus or the Spanish arrived. So it isn’t a new thing, though probably fairly rare. As with that transgender Roman Emperor (who begged some physicians of the era to turn him into a biological woman, according to historical accounts) this unusual circumstance isn’t new or based on modern chemicals. Obviously not much was written about them.

    Though if your read your history there are also accounts of women who passed themselves off as men, usually in the context of being soldiers. Only when killed or wounded did their secret become revealed. As for males being women, I suspect the “patriarchy” keep that pretty well hidden.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Muggles

    Nadleehi , probably the Navaho word for household help. Maybe slaves.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence.
     
    Agree. The sharp inflection point and skyrocketing numbers make the point.

    This is another minoritarian death cult--like feminism--aimed at the fertility of straight white girls (and ergo straight white men).


    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons....
     
    We--badly--need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural "understanding" of the value of being a wife and mother. That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness and a vital connection to the future, to posterity, to our nation.

    We need young men and women to find each other again, and to do that they must see themselves as part of something, with a purpose and a future--the nation.

    Dump minoritarianism. Restore marriage, restore family, restore the nation ... and the future will be bright again.

    Replies: @jsm, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mike Tre

    “We need young men and women to find each other again…”

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre


    “We need young men and women to find each other again…”

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.
     
    I can recognize a fine female form mask or no.

    But in any case ... just go to the beach, Mike. Masks not in evidence, plenty of bikinis, on yesterday's beach walk with AnotherMom.

    "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it"

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  92. @dfordoom
    @Thomas


    Pornography is the origin of all of this. These dudes likely start off getting into girl-on-girl porn in their teens. In the Internet age, it’s not far to chase after more outré stuff that scratches the same itch: tg, hentai, “hyponofetishism,” etc. Other digital outlets, like video games, social media, vtubing, and other ways of creating and sustaining an alternative, abstracted identity online further sustain the fantasy.
     
    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.

    These types of fetishists used to stay very much in the closet but they were around. Now they're out of the closet and now there are billionaires who are prepared to fund and promote the transgender stuff so ordinary people have become uncomfortably aware of their existence. And they're now allowed to dictate government policy because of those billionaires, and because of an irresponsible media and cowardly cynical politicians.

    I liked it better when they were in the closet, but they've always been around.

    People on the far right like to think there are simple answers to everything - it's all the fault of immigration, it's all the fault of porn, it's all the fault of the Jews, etc. But most of our social problems are more complex than that, and a lot of our social problems are things that have always existed but now they're magnified and exacerbated by the media and especially by social media.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.

    We don’t hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @James N. Kennett


    We don’t hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.
     
    Yes, I'm sure that they're still around. They've just been rebranded.

    A well-known case was cult film-maker Ed Wood (the guy portrayed by Johnny Depp in the movie Ed Wood). He was in the Marines in WW2 and supposedly stormed ashore at Iwo Jima wearing frilly ladies' panties and a lacy bra underneath his Marine uniform. He was apparently exclusively heterosexual and had no desire to be a woman. He just liked wearing women's clothing. Presumably it was both a sexual and an emotional thing.

    It's always existed and it used to be a harmless kink. The full-blown transgenderism of today is definitely not harmless.

    Replies: @Dissident

  93. @Ralph L
    My theory about most mtf trans is they're gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren't very straight.

    Replies: @ken, @James N. Kennett, @Bardon Kaldian

    My theory about most mtf trans is they’re gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren’t very straight.

    This may be true for about half of MtF trans. The other half identify as lesbian. They make a nuisance of themselves at events intended for real lesbians – hence the emergence of the TERFs. A 50% lesbianism rate is itself a sign that the MtF trans are not real women – among whom the rate is much lower.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @James N. Kennett


    This may be true for about half of MtF trans. The other half identify as lesbian. They make a nuisance of themselves at events intended for real lesbians
     
    And from time to time they beat up real lesbians.
  94. @mc23
    @JohnPlywood

    Look up up Hitler's estimated IQ and the IQ test scores of the top Nazi brass. Marx was genius too. With great intelligence comes great errors.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Lockean Proviso

    I don’t follow the Nazis, but my recollection is that the few high level officials who were captured came across as astonishingly average.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Abolish_public_education

    Here's the results of a quick search. I am sure Stalin and his henchmen were also well above average. On a less extreme note Richard Wagner was a brilliant composer but an awful person.


    https://history.info/on-this-day/1945-what-iq-did-the-nazi-leaders-have/

    U.S. military psychologist G. M. Gilbert, using intelligence tests, measured the IQ of the accused Nazis at Nuremberg Trials, and his findings have been preserved until today. Here is a list of the measured IQs of Nazi leaders:
    1. Hjalmar Schacht 143
    2. Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
    3. Hermann Goering 138
    4. Karl Doenitz 138
    5. Franz von Papen 134
    6. Eric Raeder 134
    7. Dr. Hans Frank 130
    8. Hans Fritsche 130
    9. Baldur von Schirach 130
    10. Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
    11. Wilhelm Keitel 129
    12. Albert Speer 128
    13. Alfred Jodl 127
    14. Alfred Rosenberg 127
    15. Constantin von Neurath 125
    16. Walther Funk 124
    17. Wilhelm Frick 124
    18. Rudolf Hess 120
    19. Fritz Sauckel 118
    20. Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
    21. Julius Streicher 106

    Replies: @Deckin

    , @Eric Novak
    @Abolish_public_education

    Your recollection is false:
    “After they tested their inherent personalities, they assessed their intelligence, conducting IQ tests on each of the 21 Nazi Leaders. IQ tests are actually quite common in death penalty cases. But they are usually used to determine if the accused has mental retardation (to avoid execution).
    Evil or not, few suspected these leaders were fools. And what’s fascinating about this test is that it’s the only known IQ test of an entire branch of government leadership.
    All who were tested demonstrated above average IQ’s. A number of them had very high scores. The average of all 21 Nazi leaders was 128, nearly two standard deviations smarter than the average person (Average IQ=100).
    There’s bitter irony in all this as IQ tests were but another mechanism Nazis used to kill and sterilize nearly half a million people. And their high scores, in this final hour, did plenty to service their egos.
    These three were among the higher-scoring members:
    Hermann Göring was Hitler’s second in command. He was a highly charismatic man who wielded great influence on those around him. Even within prison, he began to influence prisoners and guardsmen, to the point that they moved his cell further away from the others.
    He committed suicide two hours before he was to be hanged. He swallowed a cyanide pill and they still don’t know precisely who gave it to him (it was likely a guard he’d gained influence over).

    Source: pic by photos.com
    He scored a 138 on his IQ test
    Arthur Seyss-Inquart served as chancellor of The Netherlands for the Nazi party. He spearheaded the deportation and murder of tens of thousands of Jews. The inescapable facts of his actions led to his conviction of crimes against humanity. He was executed in 1946.

    Source: pic via Wikimedia Commons
    He scored a 141.
    Hjalmar Schacht scored the highest of all those tested but his story was different. He was the Minister of Economics and a key player in the massive expansion of Germany economy.
    He had a falling out with Hitler and Goring in 1939. He disagreed with their policies and became critical of the Nazi regime. This, and his ties to Hiter’s attempted assassins, led to his arrest and deportation to a concentration camp, where he languished for years.
    He was furious at his arrest and trial at Nuremberg as he’d been such a vocal critic and imprisoned for those criticisms. He offered a strong defense and was later acquitted.”

    historyofyesterday.com/the-results-of-the-nazi-iq-tests-c3a5e442f37c

    Replies: @Hereward the Woke

  95. @Ralph L
    My theory about most mtf trans is they're gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren't very straight.

    Replies: @ken, @James N. Kennett, @Bardon Kaldian

    Not quite…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Transgender_women

    A 2015 survey of roughly 3,000 American trans women showed that at least 60% were attracted to women. Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.

    …………….
    A 2015 survey of roughly 2000 American trans men showed more variation in sexual orientation or sexual identity among trans men. 23% identified as heterosexual or straight. The vast majority (65%) identified their sexual orientation or sexual identity as queer (24%), pansexual (17%), bisexual (12%), gay/same-gender loving (12%), asexual (7%), and 5% did not answer.

    It seems that both types of trannies actually prefer- women.

    • Replies: @Jon
    @Bardon Kaldian


    6% answered asexual
     
    Imagine going through all the hell of transitioning and not even getting laid for your troubles.
  96. God Lawd, this topic still waits for its Hegel or Heidegger, who will mike it even more a mumbojumboid confusion ….

    Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females

    Pansexuality is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. Pansexual people may refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are not determining factors in their romantic or sexual attraction to others.

    Pansexuality may be considered a sexual orientation in its own right or a branch of bisexuality, to indicate an alternative sexual identity. Because pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women, and pansexuality therefore rejects the gender binary, it is often considered a more inclusive term than bisexual.

    Polysexuality has been defined as “encompassing or characterized by many different kinds of sexuality”, and as sexual attraction to many, but not all, genders

    Sapiosexuality describes attraction to the intelligence of another person.

    Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to others, or low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity.

    A demisexual person does not experience sexual attraction until they have formed a strong emotional connection with a prospective partner. The definition of “emotional bond” varies from person to person. Demisexuals can have any romantic orientation. People in the asexual spectrum communities often switch labels throughout their lives, and fluidity in orientation and identity is a common attitude.

    Unlabeled sexuality is when an individual chooses not to label their sexual identity. This identification could stem from one’s uncertainty about their sexuality or their unwillingness to conform to a sexuality because they don’t necessarily like labels, or they wish to feel free in their attractions instead of feeling forced into same, other, both, or all attractions because of their sexual identity. Identifying as unlabeled could also be because of one’s “unwillingness to accept their sexual minority status.” Because being unlabeled is the purposeful decision of no sexual identity, it is different from bisexuality or any other sexual identity. Those who are unlabeled are more likely to view sexuality as less stable and more fluid and tend to focus more on the “person, not the gender.”

    It is reported that some women who identify as unlabeled did so because they are unable or uncertain about the types of relationships they will have in the future. As such, this divergence from sexual labels could provide for a person to be able to more fully realize their “true” sexuality because it frees them from the pressure of liking and being attracted to who their sexual identification dictates they should like.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bardon Kaldian

    That's part of a feline IQ test.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzyGHN5_1s

    , @Jon
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sapiosexuality describes attraction to the intelligence of another person.
     
    Do these guys get hiring preferences, too? If so, I'm in.
  97. @Getaclue
    @anon

    Medical Martial Law, which has now been normalized, is how they will pull off the NWO Great Reset reducing the Peons to impoverished Techno slaves -- the Medical "Profession" at every level is full of NWO plants/lackeys/Faucis -- the CVirus bs was orchestrated thru them -- they have betrayed humanity completely -- the Rockefellers took over "Medicine" long ago and Gates is now the front man who has it all sewed up, the few decent MDs are censored and black balled....

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    This comment should have a gold box around it.

  98. @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    "They drive better than Caitlyn"

    OK, let's not go crazy here.... ; )


    BTW: What do you get when you cross an Asian and a Mexican?

    A car thief that can't drive.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    “They drive better than Caitlyn”

    OK, let’s not go crazy here…. ; )

    Caitlyn Jenner to pay $800,000 settlement for 2015 fatal car crash

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, I knew about that. Still doesn't mean he's as bad a driver as Asians.

    , @Deckin
    @Reg Cæsar

    I heard that joke in 1980. Still making the rounds?

  99. @James J O'Meara
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Have you spent your life battling the League of Morons?

    https://youtu.be/4s5yLX9mVeY

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    LOL.

    Not fighting, just wondering what on earth was wrong with everybody.

  100. @gent

    they somehow become immortal and evolve superhuman abilities.
     
    The fundamental mistake is this: they identify their Self with what Buddhists call the "Demon of Dialects", what in modern psychology would be could called "verbal-procedural consciousness." They think the words that flow through their heads are their primary self, rather than their "verbal stream" being a modality like vision, scent, emotional affect, etc.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Ah, very good. The play of the skandhas is powerful, and true emptiness is difficult of attainment.

  101. mc23 says:
    @Abolish_public_education
    @mc23

    I don’t follow the Nazis, but my recollection is that the few high level officials who were captured came across as astonishingly average.

    Replies: @mc23, @Eric Novak

    Here’s the results of a quick search. I am sure Stalin and his henchmen were also well above average. On a less extreme note Richard Wagner was a brilliant composer but an awful person.

    https://history.info/on-this-day/1945-what-iq-did-the-nazi-leaders-have/

    U.S. military psychologist G. M. Gilbert, using intelligence tests, measured the IQ of the accused Nazis at Nuremberg Trials, and his findings have been preserved until today. Here is a list of the measured IQs of Nazi leaders:
    1. Hjalmar Schacht 143
    2. Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
    3. Hermann Goering 138
    4. Karl Doenitz 138
    5. Franz von Papen 134
    6. Eric Raeder 134
    7. Dr. Hans Frank 130
    8. Hans Fritsche 130
    9. Baldur von Schirach 130
    10. Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
    11. Wilhelm Keitel 129
    12. Albert Speer 128
    13. Alfred Jodl 127
    14. Alfred Rosenberg 127
    15. Constantin von Neurath 125
    16. Walther Funk 124
    17. Wilhelm Frick 124
    18. Rudolf Hess 120
    19. Fritz Sauckel 118
    20. Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
    21. Julius Streicher 106

    • Replies: @Deckin
    @mc23

    I can attest from knowing someone who was at the trials and actually met Goering (and spent time with him through his work for the trial) that Goering was no fool and, for a short time, was running circles around Frank Jackson and the US prosecutors. People don't realize how close some of those defendants were to actually getting off on at least some of the big charges because of their acuity.

    Replies: @mc23

  102. @Rahan
    It's a fantasy of high-IQ autists, which was taken up by low-IQ autists, and by globohomo in general.

    Today the kids watch "sissy hypno" and listen to audio-brainwashing programs such as "Bambi Sleep" and "Samantha Sez" and a whole bunch of various "Hypno Dominas".

    This is perhaps the most insanely Philip K Dick thing happening under the surface, which everyone is pretending isn't happening.

    Kek, there's even a "white cuck" genre in hypno porn, and an "submit to black men" genre. Some pretty tragic stories about this on NoFap.

    If this crap catches you at a life point when you're fragile and impressionable, and your school, the "healthcare system", the media, and the state all pile on--you're toast.

    Which is why the regular cycles of biochemical madness which at different points in life used to be socially encoded as "omg I'm so in love with X" and "omg I have a broken heart", are today reencoded as "omg I was in the wrong body all along." When you harness real emotional upheavals to an enforced pretend identity, it becomes "real" to the subject, even if this "reality" needs to be constantly maintained through drugs and hypno porn in a state of permanent mania.

    Once the inevitable depressive crash comes (this process used to be part of the very name "manic depressive" before they changed it to "bi polar" and muddied the waters, like with GRIDS becoming AIDS), they realize what's what and try to kill themselves, and globohomo simply uses this as an excuse to promote the whole thing even more, because you see it's evil fascist society that drives them to suicide.

    "Being born in the wrong body" is a concept you would expect to find in a stone age or bronze age society yet here we are. And it's enforced through cutting edge tech, pharmaceutics, and censorship.

    The intermediate stage was when "ogm I feel sad and lonely" was reencoded into "everyone's brain chemistry is all wrong you must become addicted to our antidepressants". First they did this to adults, then to kids, and then the tranny thing could already happen through well-worked out mechanisms.

    Replies: @photondancer

    I am inclined to agree. There’s some good literature out there on how different cultures encode and express mental illness, especially mild anxiety and depression. It’s been known for years, for instance, that the surge in anorexia nervosa a couple of decades ago was confined to western countries and even there manifested mostly among affluent young women. One author I read said it was rare in Asia and when people did develop anorexia it was in a different form to westerners (asian anorectics had no body dysphoria, a major difference).

    Learning about this has made me realise the DSM, always reverently referred to as ‘the bible of the psychology profession’ by adoring writers, is at least partially a crock. I don’t recall seeing any references to culture when I looked at it. The manual acts as if its criteria are universal.

    • Agree: dfordoom, Rahan
  103. @Elli
    Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    Examples: penis disappearance, soul leaving body, resignation syndrome.

    ROGD is pretty obviously a culture-bound syndrome. The medical-academic-business complex has the terminology; it lacks the perspective.

    Replies: @photondancer, @ic1000

    Thanks Elli. I wrote a post trying to make a similar point but yours is better.

  104. @Altai

    This mass of young people (who are mostly homosexuals, but some males are AGP) of both sexes
     
    This is wrong and is repeated because it's used as a rhetorical device of 'you people are engaging in conversion therapy'. The reality is the increasing bulk of those undergoing SRS today are straight girls in adolescence. This may have been how things were 10 years ago but it does not represent the situation now. Though it may still be true for the males that most are gay or highly effeminate, the girls simply are not very butch or lesbian.

    Their primary motivation seems less about becoming a man than explicitly not being a woman for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are not mutually exclusive. Their reasons for not wanting to be a woman are tied into disappointment with their body, feeling like their interests and personality is only acceptable as a man and generally feeling like being a woman is 'lesser'. Then there are also ones who just want to fit in or gain acceptance (The BPD ones) and find the definitive irreversible things you do to yourself to become one of the tribe to be highly desirable.

    It looks like a lot of them are scared of being a woman sexually due to either direct early traumatic sexual experiences or second hand social trauma of being hold how all men will rape them.

    And then you could add autism and obsessive thoughts together with this whole script and idea of becoming trans preoccupying them.

    You can see what is going on in their subreddits such as r/ftm.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=attracted%20to%20men&restrict_sr=1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/search/?q=trauma&restrict_sr=1

    It's just a bundle of terrible coping mechanisms but it

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Magarac, @AnotherDad, @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer

    And Reddit allows these subreddits to continue, while purging feminist and gender-critical subreddits. Which is why I never read Reddit any more.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @photondancer

    Hey look, another feminist on the alt-right. Why does it attract so many of them?

  105. @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce



    “They drive better than Caitlyn”

     

    OK, let’s not go crazy here…. ; )
     
    Caitlyn Jenner to pay $800,000 settlement for 2015 fatal car crash

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Deckin

    Yeah, I knew about that. Still doesn’t mean he’s as bad a driver as Asians.

  106. @Anon

    How is this different from believing that you’re Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.
     
    I've think it's strange that this is the one case where so many people feel the need to play along with other people's delusions. So you're a man who wants to be called "she?" No thanks. You're a woman who identifies as a man? Then you've misidentified yourself. So you want to chop off your penis? You need therapy to try to help your mental illness.

    It would be cruel to, in the name of politeness, tell a mentally ill person who hears voices that you also hear the voices. Why is it considered nice to indulge trans people that way?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Anorexia is the example I find most useful. If adolescent girls who weigh 85 pounds believe they are grossly obese, who are we to say they are wrong?

  107. @photondancer
    @Altai

    And Reddit allows these subreddits to continue, while purging feminist and gender-critical subreddits. Which is why I never read Reddit any more.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Hey look, another feminist on the alt-right. Why does it attract so many of them?

  108. @Reg Cæsar
    @AceDeuce



    “They drive better than Caitlyn”

     

    OK, let’s not go crazy here…. ; )
     
    Caitlyn Jenner to pay $800,000 settlement for 2015 fatal car crash

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Deckin

    I heard that joke in 1980. Still making the rounds?

  109. @mc23
    @Abolish_public_education

    Here's the results of a quick search. I am sure Stalin and his henchmen were also well above average. On a less extreme note Richard Wagner was a brilliant composer but an awful person.


    https://history.info/on-this-day/1945-what-iq-did-the-nazi-leaders-have/

    U.S. military psychologist G. M. Gilbert, using intelligence tests, measured the IQ of the accused Nazis at Nuremberg Trials, and his findings have been preserved until today. Here is a list of the measured IQs of Nazi leaders:
    1. Hjalmar Schacht 143
    2. Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
    3. Hermann Goering 138
    4. Karl Doenitz 138
    5. Franz von Papen 134
    6. Eric Raeder 134
    7. Dr. Hans Frank 130
    8. Hans Fritsche 130
    9. Baldur von Schirach 130
    10. Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
    11. Wilhelm Keitel 129
    12. Albert Speer 128
    13. Alfred Jodl 127
    14. Alfred Rosenberg 127
    15. Constantin von Neurath 125
    16. Walther Funk 124
    17. Wilhelm Frick 124
    18. Rudolf Hess 120
    19. Fritz Sauckel 118
    20. Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
    21. Julius Streicher 106

    Replies: @Deckin

    I can attest from knowing someone who was at the trials and actually met Goering (and spent time with him through his work for the trial) that Goering was no fool and, for a short time, was running circles around Frank Jackson and the US prosecutors. People don’t realize how close some of those defendants were to actually getting off on at least some of the big charges because of their acuity.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Deckin

    Very interesting, I regret not paying more attention or questioning older people I knew.

  110. Anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    @Steve Sailer

    Some associate it with autism. Others with psychopathy and narcissism. I think the link may be more with that, than directly with IQ or intelligence.

    I think it is just related to the fact that people with higher intelligence or with a very high talent are probably more prone to mental diseases or behavioural problems. Schopenhauer was extremely smart, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would be a very good neighbour. Mozard and Tesla appear to have had very odd quirks.

    That said, this only applies to the "autogynephilia" thing. "Travestis" in Brazil don't seem to me "high IQ" types for the most part, but also they seem "happy" with their situation as it is, and are not particularly keen on protesting that "they are really women".

    Only these elite, rich, educated types are intent on insisting on that "transgender" stuff, and on forcing everyone else to accept their manias as reality. Of course, there is a transhumanist agenda too, which is being pushed for other reasons, and not only by transgenders (they are just a part of it).

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Anon

    Very good. The IQist worldview is a reductionist approach to human behavior. There is such a thing as mental health, as you point out. There is also a moral component to human acts: they are good or evil. A person’s IQ will just color the outward expression of an inner goodness or malevolence.

  111. Adolescents Who Think They Are Transgender Are Being Hoaxed by a Handful of High IQ Fetishists

    Yemen shows the way:

    Paedophiles shot and hanged from crane after boy, 10, is raped and killed

    (Though I think it’s only hanged when the “hangee” is alive as the process starts. Dead bodies, like other inanimate objects, are hung.)

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Reg Cæsar

    Odds are 10 to 1 that most if not all of those individuals were wrongfully convicted.


    I guess you didn't learn anything from the lynching of Emmett Till, still haunting suthners to this day. The herd is always wrong.

  112. @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexual non-conforming males often adopt identities such as “travesti” in Brazil and “ladyboys” in Thailand, but they never claim they are literally women...

     

    Maybe not, but these ladyboys are a lot more convincing than are the aging autogynephiles we suffer here:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtUSG8MJGw8


    They drive better than Caitlyn, and no doubt would govern better than Gavin.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Lurker

    I once met this beautiful girl in a bar in Thailand, we had a few drinks. The girl of my dreams. She even offered to drive me back to her place. I was excited I can tell you, almost too good to be true.

    We got to hers and when she reversed the car back into the garage perfectly first time, I thought “Uh oh, hang on a minute . . .”

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Lurker

    So funny. But if it was her garage she would be used to reversing in perfectly, wouldn’t she?

    Replies: @Lurker

  113. @Bardon Kaldian
    God Lawd, this topic still waits for its Hegel or Heidegger, who will mike it even more a mumbojumboid confusion ....

    Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females
     

    Pansexuality is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. Pansexual people may refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are not determining factors in their romantic or sexual attraction to others.

    Pansexuality may be considered a sexual orientation in its own right or a branch of bisexuality, to indicate an alternative sexual identity. Because pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women, and pansexuality therefore rejects the gender binary, it is often considered a more inclusive term than bisexual.
     

    Polysexuality has been defined as "encompassing or characterized by many different kinds of sexuality", and as sexual attraction to many, but not all, genders
     

    Sapiosexuality describes attraction to the intelligence of another person.
     

    Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to others, or low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity.
     

    A demisexual person does not experience sexual attraction until they have formed a strong emotional connection with a prospective partner. The definition of "emotional bond" varies from person to person. Demisexuals can have any romantic orientation. People in the asexual spectrum communities often switch labels throughout their lives, and fluidity in orientation and identity is a common attitude.
     

    Unlabeled sexuality is when an individual chooses not to label their sexual identity. This identification could stem from one's uncertainty about their sexuality or their unwillingness to conform to a sexuality because they don't necessarily like labels, or they wish to feel free in their attractions instead of feeling forced into same, other, both, or all attractions because of their sexual identity. Identifying as unlabeled could also be because of one's "unwillingness to accept their sexual minority status." Because being unlabeled is the purposeful decision of no sexual identity, it is different from bisexuality or any other sexual identity. Those who are unlabeled are more likely to view sexuality as less stable and more fluid and tend to focus more on the “person, not the gender.”

    It is reported that some women who identify as unlabeled did so because they are unable or uncertain about the types of relationships they will have in the future. As such, this divergence from sexual labels could provide for a person to be able to more fully realize their "true" sexuality because it frees them from the pressure of liking and being attracted to who their sexual identification dictates they should like.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/f9/a5/acf9a5214d40c8d911bd236b037f8b66.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    That’s part of a feline IQ test.

    • Thanks: photondancer
    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  114. @TTSSYF
    @BluEidDvl

    You're probably right. After all -- if we're already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn't we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?

    Replies: @BluEidDvl, @dfordoom

    You’re probably right. After all — if we’re already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn’t we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?

    The trans thing among children and teenagers is not about sex. It’s about rejecting sex. Rejecting their own sexuality. Suppressing their own sexuality. It’s about identity, not sex. It’s young people who have not been given any sensible guidance about making the move from childhood to adulthood. It’s about children wanting to remain children forever.

    What’s happening today is very very different from the Sexual Revolution of the 60s. The Sexual Revolution of the 60s was all about celebrating sex and sexuality. It was a libertarian sexual revolution.

    The Gender Identity Revolution of today is a puritan revolution. It’s all about fear of sex, anxiety about sex, shame and guilt about sex. And fear of adulthood and adult sexual relationships. In many ways it’s the polar opposite of the 60s/70s Sexual Revolution.

    So I don’t think it has anything to do with pedophiles.

    In fact what we’re seeing today is the Gender Identity Revolution happening at the same time as an increasing shift towards sexual puritanism. Pedophilia is more disapproved of today than at any time in the past hundred years, and it’s becoming more and more disapproved of.

    The idea that we’re moving in the direction of sexual libertinism is right-wing hysteria. What’s happening today is very very bad and very very unhealthy but it’s more of a weird twisted Anti-Sexual Revolution. The worst thing that is happening today is the denormalisation of normal heterosexuality.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @dfordoom

    Well said.

    , @JMcG
    @dfordoom

    I have young daughters and I can honestly say that they seem to view the world of dating with dread. We have had some distressingly frank conversations on the expectations that are becoming increasingly common among young men and, indeed, among even boys of late.
    Internet porn is a serious problem.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  115. @Abolish_public_education
    @mc23

    I don’t follow the Nazis, but my recollection is that the few high level officials who were captured came across as astonishingly average.

    Replies: @mc23, @Eric Novak

    Your recollection is false:
    “After they tested their inherent personalities, they assessed their intelligence, conducting IQ tests on each of the 21 Nazi Leaders. IQ tests are actually quite common in death penalty cases. But they are usually used to determine if the accused has mental retardation (to avoid execution).
    Evil or not, few suspected these leaders were fools. And what’s fascinating about this test is that it’s the only known IQ test of an entire branch of government leadership.
    All who were tested demonstrated above average IQ’s. A number of them had very high scores. The average of all 21 Nazi leaders was 128, nearly two standard deviations smarter than the average person (Average IQ=100).
    There’s bitter irony in all this as IQ tests were but another mechanism Nazis used to kill and sterilize nearly half a million people. And their high scores, in this final hour, did plenty to service their egos.
    These three were among the higher-scoring members:
    Hermann Göring was Hitler’s second in command. He was a highly charismatic man who wielded great influence on those around him. Even within prison, he began to influence prisoners and guardsmen, to the point that they moved his cell further away from the others.
    He committed suicide two hours before he was to be hanged. He swallowed a cyanide pill and they still don’t know precisely who gave it to him (it was likely a guard he’d gained influence over).

    Source: pic by photos.com
    He scored a 138 on his IQ test
    Arthur Seyss-Inquart served as chancellor of The Netherlands for the Nazi party. He spearheaded the deportation and murder of tens of thousands of Jews. The inescapable facts of his actions led to his conviction of crimes against humanity. He was executed in 1946.

    Source: pic via Wikimedia Commons
    He scored a 141.
    Hjalmar Schacht scored the highest of all those tested but his story was different. He was the Minister of Economics and a key player in the massive expansion of Germany economy.
    He had a falling out with Hitler and Goring in 1939. He disagreed with their policies and became critical of the Nazi regime. This, and his ties to Hiter’s attempted assassins, led to his arrest and deportation to a concentration camp, where he languished for years.
    He was furious at his arrest and trial at Nuremberg as he’d been such a vocal critic and imprisoned for those criticisms. He offered a strong defense and was later acquitted.”

    historyofyesterday.com/the-results-of-the-nazi-iq-tests-c3a5e442f37c

    • Replies: @Hereward the Woke
    @Eric Novak

    IIRC the Nazis were not themselves especially fond of classical psychometrics since Jews tended to top the IQ rankings in Germany.

  116. @jsm
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism and a strong cultural “understanding” of the value of being a wife and mother.
     
    This is correct.

    Feminism, the genesis of all that ails us, caught on in the '60s because of the prevailing attitudes of contempt and belittling in American society for women's work, encapsulated in the phrase "just" a housewife..."just" a mom.

    Girls heard that. Heard it loud and clear growing up, and being silly girls, told themselves, "Well, okay, since being a wife and mom, like my mom did, is such a parasitic, low-life, disgusting thing to be doing, I'm not doing THAT." So, college, instead. And then play-acting at being Lady Lawyers and Lady Doctors and dumping the few babies they did manage to have, in daycare.

    Now those daycare babies are growing up to make really good Anti-Fa. The **fun** of acting out their attachment disorders on the society that abandoned them as infants, is irresistible.

    ... It is, as always, up to the men to fix this. Because you guys **are** the leaders. Tell young women, being a wife and mom is honorable, is the most important job in the world, in fact is the best thing that any human CAN be. That is the only way to convince the next generation of silly girls to make better choices.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Feminism, the genesis of all that ails us, caught on in the ’60s because of the prevailing attitudes of contempt and belittling in American society for women’s work, encapsulated in the phrase “just” a housewife…”just” a mom.

    Girls heard that. Heard it loud and clear growing up, and being silly girls, told themselves, “Well, okay, since being a wife and mom, like my mom did, is such a parasitic, low-life, disgusting thing to be doing, I’m not doing THAT.” So, college, instead.

    Yes, I agree. That’s because feminism was fundamentally misogynistic. Feminists despised everything about femaleness. Feminists admired everything about maleness. Feminists saw maleness as normal and femaleness as inferior and disgusting and pathetic.

  117. @dfordoom
    @TTSSYF


    You’re probably right. After all — if we’re already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn’t we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?
     
    The trans thing among children and teenagers is not about sex. It's about rejecting sex. Rejecting their own sexuality. Suppressing their own sexuality. It's about identity, not sex. It's young people who have not been given any sensible guidance about making the move from childhood to adulthood. It's about children wanting to remain children forever.

    What's happening today is very very different from the Sexual Revolution of the 60s. The Sexual Revolution of the 60s was all about celebrating sex and sexuality. It was a libertarian sexual revolution.

    The Gender Identity Revolution of today is a puritan revolution. It's all about fear of sex, anxiety about sex, shame and guilt about sex. And fear of adulthood and adult sexual relationships. In many ways it's the polar opposite of the 60s/70s Sexual Revolution.

    So I don't think it has anything to do with pedophiles.

    In fact what we're seeing today is the Gender Identity Revolution happening at the same time as an increasing shift towards sexual puritanism. Pedophilia is more disapproved of today than at any time in the past hundred years, and it's becoming more and more disapproved of.

    The idea that we're moving in the direction of sexual libertinism is right-wing hysteria. What's happening today is very very bad and very very unhealthy but it's more of a weird twisted Anti-Sexual Revolution. The worst thing that is happening today is the denormalisation of normal heterosexuality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

    Well said.

  118. @Reg Cæsar

    Adolescents Who Think They Are Transgender Are Being Hoaxed by a Handful of High IQ Fetishists
     
    Yemen shows the way:


    Paedophiles shot and hanged from crane after boy, 10, is raped and killed

    (Though I think it's only hanged when the "hangee" is alive as the process starts. Dead bodies, like other inanimate objects, are hung.)


    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/yemen-executions-paedophiles-rape-killing-murder-hung-1001264.jpg?r=1533883887116

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Odds are 10 to 1 that most if not all of those individuals were wrongfully convicted.

    I guess you didn’t learn anything from the lynching of Emmett Till, still haunting suthners to this day. The herd is always wrong.

  119. @Mr. Anon
    @Old and Grumpy


    Altari is also right, transgenderism is quickly becoming a female to male thing. That might explain Plan Parenthood’s role in this movement now.
     
    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.

    The end result is the sterilisation of young women. Not just sterilisation but sexual neutering. It seems to be an anti-sex thing.

    But whether it’s an organised conspiracy – I’m not entirely convinced. Mass hysteria crazes seem to arise spontaneously on a regular basis in western society. Mass hysteria crazes are one of the defining features of our civilisation. Mass media makes them worse, and social media makes such outbreaks of hysteria much much worse.

    I think that there are several different things going on at the same time in the trans craze. The MtF thing is not the same as the FtM thing among young people. The autogynephilia among ageing men thing is another separate thing. The MtF thing has definitely been encouraged by an element within the elites. The FtM thing among young girls is possibly a genuinely spontaneous outbreak of mass hysteria but it is being encouraged by elements within the elites.

    There’s also the cowardice factor. Many politicians and many corporations support the transgender agenda through fear.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @dfordoom


    I think that there are several different things going on at the same time in the trans craze.

     

    You're on a roll today. The quotation above is an excellent point.

    All of the disorders you identify existed in one form or another in the past, but social media + ubiquitous, fawning advocacy from the mass media and academia have allowed them to be artificially organized into a 'sweeping trend' (albeit one that doesn't hold together very well under even mild scrutiny).

    This doesn't mean there's an Oz behind the curtain, but it changes the perceptions of non-noticers who just want to be 'nice', resulting in widespread, whiplash-quick volte-face with regard to lots of forms of sexual deviency. It's this embrace of the 'unthinkable' that many uninformed conservatives fixate on, but those who are paying attention (see, for example, the Christian worldview think-tankers at the Colson Center) regularly associate the West's current sex woes with the alarming drop in the birth rate.

  120. @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    I once met this beautiful girl in a bar in Thailand, we had a few drinks. The girl of my dreams. She even offered to drive me back to her place. I was excited I can tell you, almost too good to be true.

    We got to hers and when she reversed the car back into the garage perfectly first time, I thought "Uh oh, hang on a minute . . ."

    Replies: @Alden

    So funny. But if it was her garage she would be used to reversing in perfectly, wouldn’t she?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Alden

    Good point.

    The next time I tell the joke it will have to be the 'girl' reversing the car into the narrator's garage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  121. @Muggles
    Jim and other speakers throughout the weekend referenced the traditional Navajo story of the nádleehi. In this story, First Man and First Woman were at odds, causing men and women of the world to split into separate camps. The nádleehi were a third gender.

    According to the story, the nádleehi stayed with First Man, performing traditionally feminine tasks. They were essential in bridging the divide between First Man and First Woman, bringing peace to the land.


    This from an internet article on some Navajo gay pride event in 2011. There is a somewhat well known history of Navajos accepting what we might now call transgenders into their communities. They usually dressed as women and performed female duties.

    I am uncertain as to other AmInd tribal customs on that.

    This was going on before Columbus or the Spanish arrived. So it isn't a new thing, though probably fairly rare. As with that transgender Roman Emperor (who begged some physicians of the era to turn him into a biological woman, according to historical accounts) this unusual circumstance isn't new or based on modern chemicals. Obviously not much was written about them.

    Though if your read your history there are also accounts of women who passed themselves off as men, usually in the context of being soldiers. Only when killed or wounded did their secret become revealed. As for males being women, I suspect the "patriarchy" keep that pretty well hidden.

    Replies: @Alden

    Nadleehi , probably the Navaho word for household help. Maybe slaves.

  122. @Svevlad
    Maybe we should swamp the world with the lowest IQ Africans possible. The end result will be mediocre, but sane.

    Replies: @Jeff

    Sure, if “stabby” and “murdery” is your definition of sane.

  123. @Smarter Than Unz dot Com
    @BluEidDvl

    The young white generation is brainwashed into being self hating. It is going to get alot worse.

    It's no longer just social issues but also racial ones. Get ready to have alot of mixed race grand kids who may or may not also be trans.

    Replies: @Jeff

    Once they’re mixed race, the genocide is done and so the pressure to self-mutilate ceases.

  124. @JohnPlywood
    @Altai

    Things haven't come far. Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/06/30/us-trans-map_wide-82e4424e3a2991a16b34d142e7c93b7cdc609974.jpg

    Note also that it's more common in Southern and nonwhite states, which are the least trans friendly. The negative/skeptical attitude toward transgenders is an attribute of people who are most likely to carry the genes for transgenderism, reflecting an inner self hatred and desire to cover up one's true nature, to protect oneself from a sense of shame.


    I suspect a lot of people on this comment section are trans ex-men, or trans ex--ex men, given the unquenchable feminine energy that keeps vibing out in waves. Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    Replies: @Jeff, @black sea, @Clyde

    “carry the genes for transgenderism”? Which genes would those be, or are you just talking out of your ass?

  125. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    "generally feeling like being a woman is ‘lesser’"

    It's funny then that never has the culture been more "women are wonderful" and "you go girl".

    But it's also much, much too sexualised a culture. If you were 11 or 12 and some guy in the playground (or maybe your best girl buddy) is showing you hard core porn on their phone, might you not think that becoming an object of desire is pretty scary and best avoided?

    Girls of that age are herd animals - if all their mates love singer X, then they'd better love him too. Twenty years ago these disturbed girls would have been cutting their arms.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.

    It isn’t really. We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.

    I know this might seem weird but our culture has actually become much much more misogynistic. And that misogyny has been driven by feminism.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, jsm
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @dfordoom

    "We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women."

    That's a very good point.

    The sad thing is that there's one thing that only women can do, and some associated things that they are much, much better at, things that happen to be vital for the continued existence of a people and a culture (whatever that people and culture may be).

    And they're not celebrated at all in our media.

    Replies: @photondancer

    , @photondancer
    @dfordoom

    No, only one part of the culture is celebrating women being lawyers or pilots. The other part is celebrating them for having big boobs and bums, a tiny waist in between, 50000 followers on Instagram/TikTok, their own clothing range and a lineup of sponsors. Guess which part teenage girls are paying attention to. And I've seen no evidence that it's the dreaded feminists (cue ominous music) who are encouraging the Instagram craze.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Lurker
    @dfordoom

    We have different tiers going on at once.

    Women are praised for doing man stuff and men are praised for pretending to be ladies, along with the whole LGBTwhatever.

    But a few tiers down we have parodies of femininity - Kardashians, Jersey Shore type stuff mirrored by parodies of masculinity - tats, 'roids etc.

  126. @dfordoom
    @Mr. Anon


    Indulging female-to-male transgenderism among teens is, effectively, a policy of sterilizing young women, insuring that they never have children. Perhaps that is the real object of it all.
     
    The end result is the sterilisation of young women. Not just sterilisation but sexual neutering. It seems to be an anti-sex thing.

    But whether it's an organised conspiracy - I'm not entirely convinced. Mass hysteria crazes seem to arise spontaneously on a regular basis in western society. Mass hysteria crazes are one of the defining features of our civilisation. Mass media makes them worse, and social media makes such outbreaks of hysteria much much worse.

    I think that there are several different things going on at the same time in the trans craze. The MtF thing is not the same as the FtM thing among young people. The autogynephilia among ageing men thing is another separate thing. The MtF thing has definitely been encouraged by an element within the elites. The FtM thing among young girls is possibly a genuinely spontaneous outbreak of mass hysteria but it is being encouraged by elements within the elites.

    There's also the cowardice factor. Many politicians and many corporations support the transgender agenda through fear.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think that there are several different things going on at the same time in the trans craze.

    You’re on a roll today. The quotation above is an excellent point.

    All of the disorders you identify existed in one form or another in the past, but social media + ubiquitous, fawning advocacy from the mass media and academia have allowed them to be artificially organized into a ‘sweeping trend’ (albeit one that doesn’t hold together very well under even mild scrutiny).

    This doesn’t mean there’s an Oz behind the curtain, but it changes the perceptions of non-noticers who just want to be ‘nice’, resulting in widespread, whiplash-quick volte-face with regard to lots of forms of sexual deviency. It’s this embrace of the ‘unthinkable’ that many uninformed conservatives fixate on, but those who are paying attention (see, for example, the Christian worldview think-tankers at the Colson Center) regularly associate the West’s current sex woes with the alarming drop in the birth rate.

  127. @James N. Kennett
    @dfordoom


    I very much doubt that. The cross-dressing fetish (among heterosexual men) has been around for a very long time.
     
    We don't hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    We don’t hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.

    Yes, I’m sure that they’re still around. They’ve just been rebranded.

    A well-known case was cult film-maker Ed Wood (the guy portrayed by Johnny Depp in the movie Ed Wood). He was in the Marines in WW2 and supposedly stormed ashore at Iwo Jima wearing frilly ladies’ panties and a lacy bra underneath his Marine uniform. He was apparently exclusively heterosexual and had no desire to be a woman. He just liked wearing women’s clothing. Presumably it was both a sexual and an emotional thing.

    It’s always existed and it used to be a harmless kink. The full-blown transgenderism of today is definitely not harmless.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @dfordoom


    It’s [i.e., cross-dressing men; transvestites] always existed and it used to be a harmless kink.
     
    Just ask Rudy Giuliani
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY
  128. @James N. Kennett
    @Ralph L


    My theory about most mtf trans is they’re gay men who fetishize sex with straight men, not realizing that men who desire known trans women aren’t very straight.
     
    This may be true for about half of MtF trans. The other half identify as lesbian. They make a nuisance of themselves at events intended for real lesbians - hence the emergence of the TERFs. A 50% lesbianism rate is itself a sign that the MtF trans are not real women - among whom the rate is much lower.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    This may be true for about half of MtF trans. The other half identify as lesbian. They make a nuisance of themselves at events intended for real lesbians

    And from time to time they beat up real lesbians.

  129. @dfordoom
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.
     
    It isn't really. We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.

    I know this might seem weird but our culture has actually become much much more misogynistic. And that misogyny has been driven by feminism.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer, @Lurker

    “We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.”

    That’s a very good point.

    The sad thing is that there’s one thing that only women can do, and some associated things that they are much, much better at, things that happen to be vital for the continued existence of a people and a culture (whatever that people and culture may be).

    And they’re not celebrated at all in our media.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary. I see anti-mother statements here every day.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  130. @JohnPlywood
    @Altai

    Things haven't come far. Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/06/30/us-trans-map_wide-82e4424e3a2991a16b34d142e7c93b7cdc609974.jpg

    Note also that it's more common in Southern and nonwhite states, which are the least trans friendly. The negative/skeptical attitude toward transgenders is an attribute of people who are most likely to carry the genes for transgenderism, reflecting an inner self hatred and desire to cover up one's true nature, to protect oneself from a sense of shame.


    I suspect a lot of people on this comment section are trans ex-men, or trans ex--ex men, given the unquenchable feminine energy that keeps vibing out in waves. Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    Replies: @Jeff, @black sea, @Clyde

    Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    I sense a contradiction.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @black sea

    Low IQ people have all kinds of anomalous "sensations".

  131. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism
     
    Boys and girls were less sexually dimorphic in the past. Hard to only play with dolls when you just have a stick.

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Maybe drop the "people are defined by their sex" that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    “there are even more educated women now”

    Yes, and they have one designer baby at age 37. How is that a sustainable situation?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Odin hung himself from a tree for 9 days as part of his quest to avert Ragnarok. What have you done?

    I suppose you have sent yourself into delirium.

    You think it is less of a task to persuade women that they have to stay at home, conform to your cultural requirements, be meek and uneducated, just so they can have more babies, than it would be to try to persuade them directly to have more babies...

    Not that it has worked in Iran anyway

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  132. @dfordoom
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.
     
    It isn't really. We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.

    I know this might seem weird but our culture has actually become much much more misogynistic. And that misogyny has been driven by feminism.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer, @Lurker

    No, only one part of the culture is celebrating women being lawyers or pilots. The other part is celebrating them for having big boobs and bums, a tiny waist in between, 50000 followers on Instagram/TikTok, their own clothing range and a lineup of sponsors. Guess which part teenage girls are paying attention to. And I’ve seen no evidence that it’s the dreaded feminists (cue ominous music) who are encouraging the Instagram craze.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Alden
    @photondancer

    Teen girls have little interest in the Kardashians. As per usual, the aged bachelors of UNZ are writing nonsense about women and girls. Writing nonsense about women and girls because you don’t know any. You just believe everything the media tells you.

    I noted the standard aged bachelor remark that women aren’t having babies and women caused the birth rate to fall. I suggest the MEN OF UNZ read the wiki article on. human reproduction. Takes if not a man and a woman, at least an egg, some sperm and a glass container. You want to increase the population? Do it it’s not difficult to reproduce.

    Another aged bachelor who believed everything he reads in the liberal media wrote about the mass hysteria of girls who demand F-M transition. What’s wrong with the MEN OF UNZ? You don’t believe George Floyd was a martyr and saint. You don’t believe BLM is a spontaneous uprising of righteously indignant civil rights activists. Half of you believe covid is a hoax. Most of you have noticed that none of the dire global warming predictions of 40 years ago have come true.

    But you believe every word of the drivel the lying mass media writes about women and girls.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  133. @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    "They drive better than Caitlyn"

    OK, let's not go crazy here.... ; )


    BTW: What do you get when you cross an Asian and a Mexican?

    A car thief that can't drive.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    How come blacks and Latinx rarely marry?
    Kids are too lazy to steal.

  134. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Ralph L

    Not quite...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Transgender_women

    A 2015 survey of roughly 3,000 American trans women showed that at least 60% were attracted to women. Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.

    ................
    A 2015 survey of roughly 2000 American trans men showed more variation in sexual orientation or sexual identity among trans men. 23% identified as heterosexual or straight. The vast majority (65%) identified their sexual orientation or sexual identity as queer (24%), pansexual (17%), bisexual (12%), gay/same-gender loving (12%), asexual (7%), and 5% did not answer.


    It seems that both types of trannies actually prefer- women.

    Replies: @Jon

    6% answered asexual

    Imagine going through all the hell of transitioning and not even getting laid for your troubles.

  135. @Bardon Kaldian
    God Lawd, this topic still waits for its Hegel or Heidegger, who will mike it even more a mumbojumboid confusion ....

    Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females
     

    Pansexuality is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. Pansexual people may refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are not determining factors in their romantic or sexual attraction to others.

    Pansexuality may be considered a sexual orientation in its own right or a branch of bisexuality, to indicate an alternative sexual identity. Because pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women, and pansexuality therefore rejects the gender binary, it is often considered a more inclusive term than bisexual.
     

    Polysexuality has been defined as "encompassing or characterized by many different kinds of sexuality", and as sexual attraction to many, but not all, genders
     

    Sapiosexuality describes attraction to the intelligence of another person.
     

    Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to others, or low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity.
     

    A demisexual person does not experience sexual attraction until they have formed a strong emotional connection with a prospective partner. The definition of "emotional bond" varies from person to person. Demisexuals can have any romantic orientation. People in the asexual spectrum communities often switch labels throughout their lives, and fluidity in orientation and identity is a common attitude.
     

    Unlabeled sexuality is when an individual chooses not to label their sexual identity. This identification could stem from one's uncertainty about their sexuality or their unwillingness to conform to a sexuality because they don't necessarily like labels, or they wish to feel free in their attractions instead of feeling forced into same, other, both, or all attractions because of their sexual identity. Identifying as unlabeled could also be because of one's "unwillingness to accept their sexual minority status." Because being unlabeled is the purposeful decision of no sexual identity, it is different from bisexuality or any other sexual identity. Those who are unlabeled are more likely to view sexuality as less stable and more fluid and tend to focus more on the “person, not the gender.”

    It is reported that some women who identify as unlabeled did so because they are unable or uncertain about the types of relationships they will have in the future. As such, this divergence from sexual labels could provide for a person to be able to more fully realize their "true" sexuality because it frees them from the pressure of liking and being attracted to who their sexual identification dictates they should like.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/f9/a5/acf9a5214d40c8d911bd236b037f8b66.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jon

    Sapiosexuality describes attraction to the intelligence of another person.

    Do these guys get hiring preferences, too? If so, I’m in.

  136. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Neoconned

    Actually, that would be Stephanie. I’ve never heard of a Stevette. Although I suppose it could be one of those made up Black names.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Spect3r

  137. @YetAnotherAnon
    @dfordoom

    "We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women."

    That's a very good point.

    The sad thing is that there's one thing that only women can do, and some associated things that they are much, much better at, things that happen to be vital for the continued existence of a people and a culture (whatever that people and culture may be).

    And they're not celebrated at all in our media.

    Replies: @photondancer

    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary. I see anti-mother statements here every day.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @photondancer


    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary.
     
    Do you really believe that? It doesn't fit with anything I've ever observed in real life.

    I see anti-mother statements here every day.
     
    What I see on Unz Review are countless comments exhorting women to become mothers.

    The men who hang out on Unz Review are an odd lot, but this is a fringe site that attracts an enormous number of crazies, misfits and losers. You can't judge men in general by the men who hang out here. It would be like judging all women by the inmates of a mental hospital.

    Replies: @Alden, @photondancer

  138. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "there are even more educated women now"

    Yes, and they have one designer baby at age 37. How is that a sustainable situation?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Odin hung himself from a tree for 9 days as part of his quest to avert Ragnarok. What have you done?

    I suppose you have sent yourself into delirium.

    You think it is less of a task to persuade women that they have to stay at home, conform to your cultural requirements, be meek and uneducated, just so they can have more babies, than it would be to try to persuade them directly to have more babies…

    Not that it has worked in Iran anyway

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "You think ...." - you have no idea what I think, although my comment history is there to read.

    But the inverse relationship (for women) between years of education and number of children exists in pretty much all places it's been measured.

    (If you want a family, try to find a woman who likes babies (see her reactions to friends or relatives sprogging) and try to get to a position where you can support her as a full time mum. Not easy these days to put it mildly, it's been getting harder for thirty years now.)

  139. “I see anti-mother statements here every day.”

    Cobblers.

    (posts criticism of a Munchausens-by-proxy mum of transgender 9 year old)

  140. @Anon
    Steve, Jennifer Bilek is a freelance writer who has been writing articles exposing autogyn trans promoters for about a decade (she was deplatformed by them over something peripheral, and she then made it her life's work to track them down and reveal how they have financed and promoted transgenderism; she also offers hair styling and portrait painting services).

    I just did a search on iSteve, and you've never used the string "Bilek," so perhaps you are unaware of her. Here's her blog, and she manages to get stuff published here and there on conservative or TERF feminism websites:

    https://www.the11thhourblog.com/archives

    There's a lot of her stuff here:

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/author/jbilek/

    Here's her profile of your former classmate:

    At the heart of the emerging "Gender Identity" industry is a man in a dress, donning women's breasts with the confidence only a man could acquire after a lifetime of being a first class citizen. Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist and has written extensively on the connections between the two. Rothblatt believes that human sexual dimorphism is tantamount to South African apartheid and that transgenderism is an onramp to transhumanism – which is for him an exercise in overcoming "fleshism" ....

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/
     
    More of these guys, uh, gals, and how they create and fund zillions of nonprofits in a way that makes it seem to politicians and others like there's a irresistable swarm of support coming from all sides:

    The Billionaires Behind The LGBT Movement
    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

    There's a lot more.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @kihowi, @James Forrestal

    How many of these 70 year old transsexuals are just panicky old men trying to cheat death by changing into the sex that has another ten years to live?

    • LOL: fish
  141. @dfordoom
    @TTSSYF


    You’re probably right. After all — if we’re already allowing prepubescent children to choose to change their gender, then why wouldn’t we also allow them to choose to have sex with pedophiles?
     
    The trans thing among children and teenagers is not about sex. It's about rejecting sex. Rejecting their own sexuality. Suppressing their own sexuality. It's about identity, not sex. It's young people who have not been given any sensible guidance about making the move from childhood to adulthood. It's about children wanting to remain children forever.

    What's happening today is very very different from the Sexual Revolution of the 60s. The Sexual Revolution of the 60s was all about celebrating sex and sexuality. It was a libertarian sexual revolution.

    The Gender Identity Revolution of today is a puritan revolution. It's all about fear of sex, anxiety about sex, shame and guilt about sex. And fear of adulthood and adult sexual relationships. In many ways it's the polar opposite of the 60s/70s Sexual Revolution.

    So I don't think it has anything to do with pedophiles.

    In fact what we're seeing today is the Gender Identity Revolution happening at the same time as an increasing shift towards sexual puritanism. Pedophilia is more disapproved of today than at any time in the past hundred years, and it's becoming more and more disapproved of.

    The idea that we're moving in the direction of sexual libertinism is right-wing hysteria. What's happening today is very very bad and very very unhealthy but it's more of a weird twisted Anti-Sexual Revolution. The worst thing that is happening today is the denormalisation of normal heterosexuality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG

    I have young daughters and I can honestly say that they seem to view the world of dating with dread. We have had some distressingly frank conversations on the expectations that are becoming increasingly common among young men and, indeed, among even boys of late.
    Internet porn is a serious problem.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @JMcG

    Fathers who don’t understand who the gatekeepers are is a serious problem. Your daughter isn’t a marketing agency.

  142. If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism
     

    Judgementalism comes at the cost of understanding. It separates you, creating division.

    It also creates a reaction, which rises even against "noticing" and leaves only delusion.

    That delusion then causes those like you to cling onto judgement even harder, so as to further separate yourself from the delusion, and the whole mess spirals even further.

    If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.

    People can tell when you understand and you will find that you are much more effective.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    "fetishization of IQ"

    Almost nobody else has noticed that a type of ex-men tend to have very high IQs. It isn't predicted by anybody's ideology, it's just a weird pattern I started noticing in the 1990s. But that ex-men tend to be aggressive OCD/asperger types helps explain how much power they've gained over the culture. You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @ic1000

    > It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

    That’s a good quote.

    > You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    That’s another good quote.

  144. It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

    Cool it with the anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    @Catdog


    Cool it with the anti-Semitism.
     
    Dating someone from the ACLU?

    Regarding slimy high-IQs manipulating little kids: for what reason would they not? They don't appear to exactly appreciate that ethics and morality business, do they? It just doesn't pay enough and gives them no kicks. Pleasure being the objective of life, wasting time following precepts that don't bring it at all is just stupid. And like a certain corvid commenter around these parts would say, what are you going to do about it?
  145. @Elli
    Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    Examples: penis disappearance, soul leaving body, resignation syndrome.

    ROGD is pretty obviously a culture-bound syndrome. The medical-academic-business complex has the terminology; it lacks the perspective.

    Replies: @photondancer, @ic1000

    > Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    We are free to mock theirs. They’d best not dare question ours — that’s a Hate Crime.

    • Replies: @Elli
    @ic1000

    No, you can't mock their cultural syndromes. Western practitioners must respect the culture, permit traditional healers to diagnose and treat the case, to work with them to the extent possible.

    If some herbs and rituals help with healing, we can call it the placebo effect if we want, but we have to be very careful about expressing judgments, even when cultural expectations or practices may have caused the illness in the first place.

    Where do you think I learned the term? In a professionally required cultural sensitivity class.

  146. @black sea
    @JohnPlywood


    Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.
     

    I sense a contradiction.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Low IQ people have all kinds of anomalous “sensations”.

  147. @photondancer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary. I see anti-mother statements here every day.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary.

    Do you really believe that? It doesn’t fit with anything I’ve ever observed in real life.

    I see anti-mother statements here every day.

    What I see on Unz Review are countless comments exhorting women to become mothers.

    The men who hang out on Unz Review are an odd lot, but this is a fringe site that attracts an enormous number of crazies, misfits and losers. You can’t judge men in general by the men who hang out here. It would be like judging all women by the inmates of a mental hospital.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Alden
    @dfordoom

    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction. After a while it becomes obvious they don’t have wives girl friends or kids. Their ideal is single family home big yard suburban life styles . But they have no idea of the logistics of wrangling kids around spread out suburbs with no public transit or school buses. Or child care from newborns to teen boys nagging for a car of their own. They should write scripts for Hallmark movies about wonderful family life based on a modern conveniences version of The Waltons.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @photondancer
    @dfordoom

    Try going a single day here without someone banging off at mothers who are too single, too educated, too non-fecund, too crazy, too black - the list goes on.

    Oh, you only celebrate the right kind of mothers? then don't pretend this is about motherhood. Rather, it's about trying to force women into a mould.

    If men really, truly, celebrated motherhood we'd know about it because the whole of society would be based around it. There'd be no mothers or children living in poverty, buildings and transport would be amenable to prams, people would be breathlessly following mothers on media (social and traditional) instead of sportsmen and celebrities, and any number of other things. But none of this happens now, nor has it ever happened anywhere since (maybe) neolithic times.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  148. @dfordoom
    @James N. Kennett


    We don’t hear much about cross-dressing these days. Transvestism has been replaced with full-blown transgenderism.

    A related category that has vanished is that of the female impersonator. That is so 1970s. Those people are still around, but nowadays we are expected to believe that they are literally women.
     
    Yes, I'm sure that they're still around. They've just been rebranded.

    A well-known case was cult film-maker Ed Wood (the guy portrayed by Johnny Depp in the movie Ed Wood). He was in the Marines in WW2 and supposedly stormed ashore at Iwo Jima wearing frilly ladies' panties and a lacy bra underneath his Marine uniform. He was apparently exclusively heterosexual and had no desire to be a woman. He just liked wearing women's clothing. Presumably it was both a sexual and an emotional thing.

    It's always existed and it used to be a harmless kink. The full-blown transgenderism of today is definitely not harmless.

    Replies: @Dissident

    It’s [i.e., cross-dressing men; transvestites] always existed and it used to be a harmless kink.

    Just ask Rudy Giuliani

    [MORE]

  149. @Alden
    @Lurker

    So funny. But if it was her garage she would be used to reversing in perfectly, wouldn’t she?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Good point.

    The next time I tell the joke it will have to be the ‘girl’ reversing the car into the narrator’s garage.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Lurker


    The next time I tell the joke it will have to be the ‘girl’ reversing the car into the narrator’s garage.

     

    Then you'd have to explain why you have a garage in Thailand.

    When you could have a Siamese garage right here in North America:


    https://www.proliftdoors.com/sub/42653/images/2.png

    http://www.byhyu.com/uploads/4/7/3/7/47371935/img-2615-2-1024x683_orig.jpg

    https://www.distribudoors.com/content/uploads/2020/06/22-after-min-e1590596054221.jpg
  150. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism
     
    Boys and girls were less sexually dimorphic in the past. Hard to only play with dolls when you just have a stick.

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Maybe drop the "people are defined by their sex" that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness

    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Are you young?

    I’ll grant there are plenty of “unhappy families”. But for most people who’ve reached my “elderly” years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness–and their greatest concern–is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.

    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was “farmer” and “farm wife”. And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man’s side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think “i’d like to be able to do–have the options–that my brothers have”. With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we’ve done the experiment and it turns out women aren’t much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is … writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we’ve gotten a horde of female politicians–telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven’t seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians–actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the “life sciences”, like the CRISPR gals. But i’d bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what’s more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    Yes, i very much want to live in–more on point leave to my children–a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings–mine, yours, male or female–enter into it.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does.
     
    Well, they will not necessarily be replaced, in today's world, because all human societies are trending in the direction of -2 children per woman. There are not enough reproductive societies on Earth to replace all the unreproductive ones, and those reproductive societies will bleed out slowly over time.


    The few reproductive people on Earth don't seem to be very good at replacing others. I don't see them branching out all over the world and repeoducing there at rates sufficient to replace the native population. Even countries in Europe that have a lot of immigrants (like France) will still be majority European in 2100. The only real examples I can think of would be what happened in Texas with the Mexicans; --Texas went to minority white virtually overnight, as it was announced way back in 2005--, and that's only because Texas is right next door to Mexico and Texas Conservatives are some kind of weird breed of Mexican worshipper. Maine or New Hampshire for example aren't going to be like that. Bitch.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    What we haven’t seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians–actually doing stuff
     
    Most women work by "actually doing stuff."

    But i’d bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what’s more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later
     
    You just said that this is the same for men.

    Yes, i very much want to live in–more on point leave to my children–a nation that is sane and healthy.
     
    You have decided what "sane" and "healthy" mean to you, but almost everyone disagrees.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings–mine, yours, male or female–enter into it.
     
    "As a matter of simple" fact, the people in our society have created the society we live in.

    You want them to change it. You say that they must change it, in the way you want, to avoid Ragnarok.

    First, you must convince them that Ragnarok is to be avoided.

    Second, you must convince them that Ragnarok is coming.

    Third, you must convince them that your method will work to avert Ragnarok.

    Fourth, you must convince them that avoiding Ragnarok is worth adopting your method.

    Fifth, you must convince them that there is no better method.

    And probably you must convince them that you are in this with them.

    Women involved in Norse neo-paganism (Asatru) often notice that Odin raped a woman and recoil from his cruelty. This leads them to question their faith.

    What allows them to continue to see the All Father as their God is that, not only did he do it to avert Ragnarok, but he also hung himself from the world tree for 9 days, while dying, to avert Ragnarok.

    What have you done?

    Why should women see you as sincere?

    Most women disbelieve the five points above. They instead see someone like you pushing a programme of their enslavement to benefit your ego. This fact explains the odd shadow rape and Handsmaid's Tale obsessions of so many. They feel they see through your ideology to its hidden intention.

    Are they wrong?

    I believe you are sincere, but your soul is not part of you, you are a part of it, and there's a lot of darkness in that arrangement.

    You may retreat to repeating "a fact is a fact" at me, but hopefully you will notice that your statements are only relevant if my 5.5 points are proven. Until then, you are a middle-aged man pushing a programme on women that they find hateful and dystopian, and even akin to rape.

    If you don't believe me, go explain your politics to a woman who doesn't already know you and therefore understands your complexities.

    You will then notice how my description above predicts the situation and you will understand the position which you are in.

    I don't know what political programme would be best right now, even if I have my own insights and reflections. I do hope however that this gives you some realisation of how yours is perceived, and why.

    Odin sacrificed himself on the world tree specifically to gain understanding (to avert Ragnarok), because it is prerequisite for success. You need only show curiosity to those who disagree with you.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    What we haven’t seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians–actually doing stuff
     
    Most women work by “actually doing stuff.”

    But i’d bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what’s more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later
     
    You just said that this is the same for men.

    Yes, i very much want to live in–more on point leave to my children–a nation that is sane and healthy.
     
    You have decided what “sane” and “healthy” mean to you, but almost everyone disagrees.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings–mine, yours, male or female–enter into it.
     
    “As a matter of simple” fact, the people in our society have created the society we live in.



    You want them to change it. You say that they must change it, in the way you want, to avoid Ragnarok.

    First, you must convince them that Ragnarok is to be avoided.

    Second, you must convince them that Ragnarok is coming.

    Third, you must convince them that your method will work to avert Ragnarok.

    Fourth, you must convince them that avoiding Ragnarok is worth adopting your method.

    Fifth, you must convince them that there is no better method.

    And probably you must convince them that you are in this with them.

    Women involved in Norse neo-paganism (Asatru) often notice that Odin raped a woman and recoil from his cruelty. This leads them to question their faith.

    What allows them to continue to see the All Father as their God is that, not only did he do it to avert Ragnarok, but he also hung himself from the world tree for 9 days, while dying, to avert Ragnarok.

    What have you done?

    Why should women see you as sincere?

    Most women disbelieve the five points above. They instead see someone like you pushing a programme of their enslavement to benefit your ego. This fact explains the odd shadow rape and Handsmaid’s Tale obsessions of so many. They feel they see through your ideology to its hidden intention.

    Are they wrong?

    I believe you are sincere, but your soul is not part of you, you are a part of it, and there’s a lot of darkness in that arrangement.

    You may retreat to repeating “a fact is a fact” at me, but hopefully you will notice that your statements are only relevant if my 5.5 points are proven. Until then, you are a middle-aged man pushing a programme on women that they find hateful and dystopian, and even akin to rape.

    If you don’t believe me, go explain your politics to a woman who doesn’t already know you and therefore understands your complexities.

    You will then notice how my description above predicts the situation and you will understand the position which you are in.

    I don’t know what political programme would be best right now, even if I have my own insights and reflections. I do hope however that this gives you some realisation of how yours is perceived, and why.

    Odin sacrificed himself on the world tree specifically to gain understanding (to avert Ragnarok), because it is prerequisite for success. You need only show curiosity to those who disagree with you.
    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    And so it goes. Women are solely responsible for reproduction. Men have absolutely nothing to do with it. I don’t believe you are really a Dad. It’s the only explanation I can think of for your endless harping on the obligation of women alone, with no help from men in any way to reproduce.

    , @photondancer
    @AnotherDad

    What utter tosh. To claim that all those women who are looking after your children, teaching them, serving you in shops and restaurants, cleaning your office, healing your pets, healing you, researching disease etc. are not 'doing stuff'. In Australia, incidentally, lab technician is 74% female according to a government website. You'll have to remove that from your cherry-picked list of jobs that 'do stuff'.

    You have absolutely no idea whether those farm wives were 'very happy' or not. It's just a cosy myth you've made up. What we do know, however, is that a lot of farm girls left home as soon as they could (12 or so, often), to become something other than farm wife even if that was only a servant or factory girl. So they can't have been that happy.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  151. @dfordoom
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s funny then that never has the culture been more “women are wonderful” and “you go girl”.
     
    It isn't really. We have a culture that only celebrates women when they do male things, like being fighter pilots or CEOs or corporate lawyers. Women are shamed and demeaned when they behave like actual women.

    I know this might seem weird but our culture has actually become much much more misogynistic. And that misogyny has been driven by feminism.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @photondancer, @Lurker

    We have different tiers going on at once.

    Women are praised for doing man stuff and men are praised for pretending to be ladies, along with the whole LGBTwhatever.

    But a few tiers down we have parodies of femininity – Kardashians, Jersey Shore type stuff mirrored by parodies of masculinity – tats, ‘roids etc.

  152. @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    "We need young men and women to find each other again..."

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    “We need young men and women to find each other again…”

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.

    I can recognize a fine female form mask or no.

    But in any case … just go to the beach, Mike. Masks not in evidence, plenty of bikinis, on yesterday’s beach walk with AnotherMom.

    “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it”

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    "I can recognize a fine female form mask or no."

    You could probably see it with only one eye as well, after the government took your other one.

    "But in any case … just go to the beach, Mike. Masks not in evidence, plenty of bikinis, on yesterday’s beach walk with AnotherMom."

    Why yearn for a loaf of bread when there are crumbs to be found on the floor?

    Remember freedom AnotherDad? I'm thinking not.

  153. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnotherDad


    We–badly–need to restore sexual dimorphism
     
    Boys and girls were less sexually dimorphic in the past. Hard to only play with dolls when you just have a stick.

    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.

    Maybe drop the "people are defined by their sex" that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.

    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .
     
    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don't know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    "The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications."

    They certainly have fewest children - and that applies whether you're talking the US or Ghana.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/

    Which is a pity, because (certainly in the West) years in education is a rough marker for intelligence - no dimwits are asked to stay on for a doctorate in STEM subjects, though that might not apply in fields like "education" or social "science".

    And so, if the brightest women have the fewest children, and intelligence is heritable...


    (I see Coronavirus has transitioned and has a new handle btw)

  154. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does.

    Well, they will not necessarily be replaced, in today’s world, because all human societies are trending in the direction of -2 children per woman. There are not enough reproductive societies on Earth to replace all the unreproductive ones, and those reproductive societies will bleed out slowly over time.

    The few reproductive people on Earth don’t seem to be very good at replacing others. I don’t see them branching out all over the world and repeoducing there at rates sufficient to replace the native population. Even countries in Europe that have a lot of immigrants (like France) will still be majority European in 2100. The only real examples I can think of would be what happened in Texas with the Mexicans; –Texas went to minority white virtually overnight, as it was announced way back in 2005–, and that’s only because Texas is right next door to Mexico and Texas Conservatives are some kind of weird breed of Mexican worshipper. Maine or New Hampshire for example aren’t going to be like that. Bitch.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anonymous



    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does.
     
    Well, they will not necessarily be replaced, in today’s world, because all human societies are trending in the direction of -2 children per woman. There are not enough reproductive societies on Earth to replace all the unreproductive ones, and those reproductive societies will bleed out slowly over time.
     
    Agreed.

    But dissident rightists still seem to believe that those nasty black, brown and yellow hordes are breeding like rabbits. The truth of course is, as you say, that fertility rates are plummeting everywhere. Even in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Of course that still leaves the Amish. I'm more and more inclined to believe that there's a sinister Amish plot for Amish world domination.
  155. Elli says:
    @ic1000
    @Elli

    > Culture-bound syndrome: an accepted channel of psycho-somatic expression of distress within a culture, recognized as a disease within that culture only.

    We are free to mock theirs. They'd best not dare question ours -- that's a Hate Crime.

    Replies: @Elli

    No, you can’t mock their cultural syndromes. Western practitioners must respect the culture, permit traditional healers to diagnose and treat the case, to work with them to the extent possible.

    If some herbs and rituals help with healing, we can call it the placebo effect if we want, but we have to be very careful about expressing judgments, even when cultural expectations or practices may have caused the illness in the first place.

    Where do you think I learned the term? In a professionally required cultural sensitivity class.

  156. I always thought it weird that Bruce Jenner, born 1949, took a woman’s name that only became popular starting around 1990. When Jenner was 65, he took the name of a 25 year old woman. That Levine guy who botched Pennsylvania’s COVID response and now works for the Biden administration did the same thing. Rachel was not a popular name among women his age, but it was common among women in their mid-20’s when he “transitioned.”

    There’s definitely something weird going on here.

    • Agree: Elli
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Matttt

    Rachel was out of style by about 1975. So Levine took a woman’s name popular when he was born. Lots of 45-65 year old Rachel’s. Also a reasonable change from Richard, a popular name when Levine was born Plus obviously Jewish first and last names. And Jews pride themselves on being on the cutting edge of every nasty weird dangerous thing that comes along.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  157. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Long time lurker, extremely rare commenter. Even still, changed display name.

    I have AGP and I often thank god the tranny cult never got ahold of me. It’s a very unfortunate paraphilia to live with, but there are certainly worse.

    Ray Blanchard is 100% on the money. The high profile MtFs are fetishists demanding you participate for their own sexual gratification. Every bit as bad or worse than the gay at the pride parade with a dildo on their forehead.

    AGP is not porn induced, it is innate. However, too much “self indulgence” leads one to go further and further to get that next high. So, it follows a similar pattern to porn addiction. Not to mention the internet and easy access to communities who push them deeper.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s any more curable than homosexuality.

    That said AGPs are not homosexual, any homosexual acts are bound to getting off to the thought of “behaving as a woman”.

    AGPs often HATE real women out of jealousy, but want to be their own warped perception of a woman.

    Some FtMs exhibit a similar pattern, if more rare. You find they’ll have an obsession with gay porn, HATE men, yet want to be their own warped perception of a gay man.

    I don’t know that I would connect IQ to AGP, but the link to Autism Spectrum in both sexes seems clear.

    Most relief MtFs get from transitioning comes solely from the chemical castration and lowered libido.

    As for a solution? A good strong pimp slap, a stern explanation it’s a fetish, and a society that shuns the obnoxious behavior. So, basically, we’re screwed.

    How we mutilate children today will be remember in the future just as we look back on the medical horrors on the past. The end of history thinking many have today is so destructive. There’s no introspection.

  158. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    What we haven’t seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians–actually doing stuff

    Most women work by “actually doing stuff.”

    But i’d bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what’s more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later

    You just said that this is the same for men.

    Yes, i very much want to live in–more on point leave to my children–a nation that is sane and healthy.

    You have decided what “sane” and “healthy” mean to you, but almost everyone disagrees.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings–mine, yours, male or female–enter into it.

    “As a matter of simple” fact, the people in our society have created the society we live in.

    [MORE]

    You want them to change it. You say that they must change it, in the way you want, to avoid Ragnarok.

    First, you must convince them that Ragnarok is to be avoided.

    Second, you must convince them that Ragnarok is coming.

    Third, you must convince them that your method will work to avert Ragnarok.

    Fourth, you must convince them that avoiding Ragnarok is worth adopting your method.

    Fifth, you must convince them that there is no better method.

    And probably you must convince them that you are in this with them.

    Women involved in Norse neo-paganism (Asatru) often notice that Odin raped a woman and recoil from his cruelty. This leads them to question their faith.

    What allows them to continue to see the All Father as their God is that, not only did he do it to avert Ragnarok, but he also hung himself from the world tree for 9 days, while dying, to avert Ragnarok.

    What have you done?

    Why should women see you as sincere?

    Most women disbelieve the five points above. They instead see someone like you pushing a programme of their enslavement to benefit your ego. This fact explains the odd shadow rape and Handsmaid’s Tale obsessions of so many. They feel they see through your ideology to its hidden intention.

    Are they wrong?

    I believe you are sincere, but your soul is not part of you, you are a part of it, and there’s a lot of darkness in that arrangement.

    You may retreat to repeating “a fact is a fact” at me, but hopefully you will notice that your statements are only relevant if my 5.5 points are proven. Until then, you are a middle-aged man pushing a programme on women that they find hateful and dystopian, and even akin to rape.

    If you don’t believe me, go explain your politics to a woman who doesn’t already know you and therefore understands your complexities.

    You will then notice how my description above predicts the situation and you will understand the position which you are in.

    I don’t know what political programme would be best right now, even if I have my own insights and reflections. I do hope however that this gives you some realisation of how yours is perceived, and why.

    Odin sacrificed himself on the world tree specifically to gain understanding (to avert Ragnarok), because it is prerequisite for success. You need only show curiosity to those who disagree with you.

  159. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    What we haven’t seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians–actually doing stuff

    Most women work by “actually doing stuff.”

    But i’d bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what’s more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later

    You just said that this is the same for men.

    Yes, i very much want to live in–more on point leave to my children–a nation that is sane and healthy.

    You have decided what “sane” and “healthy” mean to you, but almost everyone disagrees.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings–mine, yours, male or female–enter into it.

    “As a matter of simple” fact, the people in our society have created the society we live in.

    [MORE]

    You want them to change it. You say that they must change it, in the way you want, to avoid Ragnarok.

    First, you must convince them that Ragnarok is to be avoided.

    Second, you must convince them that Ragnarok is coming.

    Third, you must convince them that your method will work to avert Ragnarok.

    Fourth, you must convince them that avoiding Ragnarok is worth adopting your method.

    Fifth, you must convince them that there is no better method.

    And probably you must convince them that you are in this with them.

    Women involved in Norse neo-paganism (Asatru) often notice that Odin raped a woman and recoil from his cruelty. This leads them to question their faith.

    What allows them to continue to see the All Father as their God is that, not only did he do it to avert Ragnarok, but he also hung himself from the world tree for 9 days, while dying, to avert Ragnarok.

    What have you done?

    Why should women see you as sincere?

    Most women disbelieve the five points above. They instead see someone like you pushing a programme of their enslavement to benefit your ego. This fact explains the odd shadow rape and Handsmaid’s Tale obsessions of so many. They feel they see through your ideology to its hidden intention.

    Are they wrong?

    I believe you are sincere, but your soul is not part of you, you are a part of it, and there’s a lot of darkness in that arrangement.

    You may retreat to repeating “a fact is a fact” at me, but hopefully you will notice that your statements are only relevant if my 5.5 points are proven. Until then, you are a middle-aged man pushing a programme on women that they find hateful and dystopian, and even akin to rape.

    If you don’t believe me, go explain your politics to a woman who doesn’t already know you and therefore understands your complexities.

    You will then notice how my description above predicts the situation and you will understand the position which you are in.

    I don’t know what political programme would be best right now, even if I have my own insights and reflections. I do hope however that this gives you some realisation of how yours is perceived, and why.

    Odin sacrificed himself on the world tree specifically to gain understanding (to avert Ragnarok), because it is prerequisite for success. You need only show curiosity to those who disagree with you.

  160. @Desiderius
    If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism

    Judgementalism comes at the cost of understanding. It separates you, creating division.

    It also creates a reaction, which rises even against “noticing” and leaves only delusion.

    That delusion then causes those like you to cling onto judgement even harder, so as to further separate yourself from the delusion, and the whole mess spirals even further.

    If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.

    People can tell when you understand and you will find that you are much more effective.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Judgmentalism isn't a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @anon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Could each of you define the word "judgementalism", and explain how it differs from "discernment"?

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Triteleia Laxa

  161. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism
     

    Judgementalism comes at the cost of understanding. It separates you, creating division.

    It also creates a reaction, which rises even against "noticing" and leaves only delusion.

    That delusion then causes those like you to cling onto judgement even harder, so as to further separate yourself from the delusion, and the whole mess spirals even further.

    If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.

    People can tell when you understand and you will find that you are much more effective.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.
     

    I disagree. I find that judgementalism is nihilism and/or cowardice.

    People judge because they are afraid of finding out how little they know and because they are afraid of themselves.

    Such cowardice is what they need at the time as the small fragment of themselves, which they identify with, cannot accommodate itself to knowledge of its own limitations yet, so their defensiveness serves a purpose.

    Grown men may make judgements, but wise men find something higher and more complete in understanding of themselves and the other.

    What is a judgement of yourself, or others, that you commonly make and how do you feel both just before, and just after, you make it?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  162. If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.

    Not so – if you don’t make judgments you’ve understood nothing.

    Step 1 – see things from your own point of view
    Step 2- play musical chairs and see things from many other points of view
    Step 3- compare and contrast the many points of view. Fact check. Logic check. The sum of these many subjective points of view, critically analyzed, is objectivity
    Step 4- Now that you understand, you must over-stand. Assert what you have found to be true. Profess and defend the truth. Yes, you continue to critique and seek better truth, but this in no way stops you from making judgments and asserting truth as you go.

    If you don’t make judgments and assert truth you are not wise and more importantly you are useless in the real world.

    Okay, I’m done preachin’ for the day.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @rebel yell


    If you don’t make judgments and assert truth you are not wise and more importantly you are useless in the real world
     
    Judgement gets in the way of both discerning and asserting truth. It also gets in the way of being heard when asserting truth.



    My friend is fat.

    She is fat because she overeats.

    She overeats because she is sad.

    Being fat makes her sadder.

    This pattern repeats because she is not aware of it.

    She is not aware of it, because becoming aware of it, would be too painful for her right now, as she is already conscious of more of her own pain than she can bare.

    She is doing her best, given her situation.

    See how, if I fell into judgement at any stage of this noticing, I would miss understanding the complete truth?

    See also how I might begin to understand how I might actually help her?

    Furthermore, see how she might react badly if I bring any of this up to her?

    Replies: @rebel yell

  163. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    If the leaders of the Unruling Class refuse to lead them they’ll follow misleaders instead.

    This is the price of nonjudgmentalism
     

    Judgementalism comes at the cost of understanding. It separates you, creating division.

    It also creates a reaction, which rises even against "noticing" and leaves only delusion.

    That delusion then causes those like you to cling onto judgement even harder, so as to further separate yourself from the delusion, and the whole mess spirals even further.

    If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.

    People can tell when you understand and you will find that you are much more effective.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    Could each of you define the word “judgementalism”, and explain how it differs from “discernment”?

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @anon

    Judgment means decision. It means discernment. It means drawing a conclusion and rendering a verdict.
    I don't know what judgmentalism means, unless it means bad judgment, or else its a pejorative to mean someone else's judgment I don't like but can't rebut.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @anon


    Could each of you define the word “judgementalism”, and explain how it differs from “discernment”?
     
    Discernment:

    Obesity lessens life expectancy, increases morbidities, induces aesthetic displeasure and is directly downstream of consuming more calories than you burn.

    Judgementalism:

    Obese people are bad people.

    Some may confuse my example of discernment with me judging them, but that is usually their own (self-)judgement coming to the fore.

    My example is only a collection of observations that would form part of understanding how and why an obese person is obese, and of understanding them.

    I also feel sad when I see extremely obese people, because I see and feel their pain. I imagine others do too, but, to avoid feeling sad, they turn their feelings into anger, disgust and judgement. Fortunately for me, the sadness, once accepted, turns into something that feels like love, which I much prefer.
  164. @Catdog

    It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.
     
    Cool it with the anti-Semitism.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton

    Cool it with the anti-Semitism.

    Dating someone from the ACLU?

    Regarding slimy high-IQs manipulating little kids: for what reason would they not? They don’t appear to exactly appreciate that ethics and morality business, do they? It just doesn’t pay enough and gives them no kicks. Pleasure being the objective of life, wasting time following precepts that don’t bring it at all is just stupid. And like a certain corvid commenter around these parts would say, what are you going to do about it?

  165. @Desiderius
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Judgmentalism isn't a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.

    I disagree. I find that judgementalism is nihilism and/or cowardice.

    People judge because they are afraid of finding out how little they know and because they are afraid of themselves.

    Such cowardice is what they need at the time as the small fragment of themselves, which they identify with, cannot accommodate itself to knowledge of its own limitations yet, so their defensiveness serves a purpose.

    Grown men may make judgements, but wise men find something higher and more complete in understanding of themselves and the other.

    What is a judgement of yourself, or others, that you commonly make and how do you feel both just before, and just after, you make it?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa



    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.
     
    I disagree. I find that judgementalism is nihilism and/or cowardice.

    People judge because they are afraid of finding out how little they know and because they are afraid of themselves.

    Such cowardice is what they need at the time as the small fragment of themselves, which they identify with, cannot accommodate itself to knowledge of its own limitations yet, so their defensiveness serves a purpose.

    Grown men may make judgements, but wise men find something higher and more complete in understanding of themselves and the other.

    What is a judgement of yourself, or others, that you commonly make and how do you feel both just before, and just after, you make it?

     

    Call me judgmental, but I think someone ought to know how to spell "judgment" in American English in order for her views to be taken seriously.

    Query: How many Healing Energy Crystals do you own?
  166. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @YetAnotherAnon

    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don’t know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa



    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

     

    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don’t know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.
     
    "There are infinite explanations but I don't know whether an entirely novel and radical reorientation of society which just happens to perfectly coincide with this other phenomena of unhappiness is the correct one. Just as likely could be chemtrails or white supremacy. Being supported by a husband is slavery. Thanks for coming to my TED talk."

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  167. @rebel yell

    If you can notice without judging then you can understand.

    It is hard to do, but it is not a fad. It used to be called wisdom.
     

    Not so - if you don't make judgments you've understood nothing.

    Step 1 - see things from your own point of view
    Step 2- play musical chairs and see things from many other points of view
    Step 3- compare and contrast the many points of view. Fact check. Logic check. The sum of these many subjective points of view, critically analyzed, is objectivity
    Step 4- Now that you understand, you must over-stand. Assert what you have found to be true. Profess and defend the truth. Yes, you continue to critique and seek better truth, but this in no way stops you from making judgments and asserting truth as you go.

    If you don't make judgments and assert truth you are not wise and more importantly you are useless in the real world.

    Okay, I'm done preachin' for the day.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    If you don’t make judgments and assert truth you are not wise and more importantly you are useless in the real world

    Judgement gets in the way of both discerning and asserting truth. It also gets in the way of being heard when asserting truth.

    [MORE]

    My friend is fat.

    She is fat because she overeats.

    She overeats because she is sad.

    Being fat makes her sadder.

    This pattern repeats because she is not aware of it.

    She is not aware of it, because becoming aware of it, would be too painful for her right now, as she is already conscious of more of her own pain than she can bare.

    She is doing her best, given her situation.

    See how, if I fell into judgement at any stage of this noticing, I would miss understanding the complete truth?

    See also how I might begin to understand how I might actually help her?

    Furthermore, see how she might react badly if I bring any of this up to her?

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Triteleia Laxa

    So here's the good judgment you should make with your fat friend. Consider all the factors you mentioned. Then - don't treat her like a baby and worry about what "would be too painful for her right now". Do prioritize the fact that if she remains obese she will have a bad life and early death. Do recognize that she needs a friend who will talk straight and tell it like it is. Don't forget that you are not her savior, can't live her life for her, and that people are extremely resistant to change (cause of genes), so you really can't do much for her anyway.
    It sounds from your scenario that you will never say anything to her at all because you are too busy walking on eggshells worrying about being judgmental. What kind of friend is that?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  168. @photondancer
    @dfordoom

    No, only one part of the culture is celebrating women being lawyers or pilots. The other part is celebrating them for having big boobs and bums, a tiny waist in between, 50000 followers on Instagram/TikTok, their own clothing range and a lineup of sponsors. Guess which part teenage girls are paying attention to. And I've seen no evidence that it's the dreaded feminists (cue ominous music) who are encouraging the Instagram craze.

    Replies: @Alden

    Teen girls have little interest in the Kardashians. As per usual, the aged bachelors of UNZ are writing nonsense about women and girls. Writing nonsense about women and girls because you don’t know any. You just believe everything the media tells you.

    I noted the standard aged bachelor remark that women aren’t having babies and women caused the birth rate to fall. I suggest the MEN OF UNZ read the wiki article on. human reproduction. Takes if not a man and a woman, at least an egg, some sperm and a glass container. You want to increase the population? Do it it’s not difficult to reproduce.

    Another aged bachelor who believed everything he reads in the liberal media wrote about the mass hysteria of girls who demand F-M transition. What’s wrong with the MEN OF UNZ? You don’t believe George Floyd was a martyr and saint. You don’t believe BLM is a spontaneous uprising of righteously indignant civil rights activists. Half of you believe covid is a hoax. Most of you have noticed that none of the dire global warming predictions of 40 years ago have come true.

    But you believe every word of the drivel the lying mass media writes about women and girls.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alden


    Another aged bachelor who believed everything he reads in the liberal media wrote about the mass hysteria of girls who demand F-M transition.
     
    So if it's not mass hysteria, what is it?
  169. @anon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Could each of you define the word "judgementalism", and explain how it differs from "discernment"?

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Triteleia Laxa

    Judgment means decision. It means discernment. It means drawing a conclusion and rendering a verdict.
    I don’t know what judgmentalism means, unless it means bad judgment, or else its a pejorative to mean someone else’s judgment I don’t like but can’t rebut.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @rebel yell


    Judgment means decision. It means discernment. It means drawing a conclusion and rendering a verdict.
    I don’t know what judgmentalism means, unless it means bad judgment, or else its a pejorative to mean someone else’s judgment I don’t like but can’t rebut.
     
    Or it could be used to refer to people with an excessive tendency to make judgments on things that are none of their business. We don't have the right to make judgments on every aspect of other people's lives or to render verdicts on them.

    Maybe judgmentalism means making judgments on people not because they've done something wrong, but because they've done something we personally don't approve of. If someone does something you don't approve of then before you render a verdict on that person you need to ask - does that person's choice actually harm you or anyone else? If the answer is yes, go ahead and make a judgment. If the answer is no, there's a solution that. It's called minding your own business.

    Some things that people do are other people's business, and some are not.
  170. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @YetAnotherAnon

    “The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.”

    They certainly have fewest children – and that applies whether you’re talking the US or Ghana.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/

    Which is a pity, because (certainly in the West) years in education is a rough marker for intelligence – no dimwits are asked to stay on for a doctorate in STEM subjects, though that might not apply in fields like “education” or social “science”.

    And so, if the brightest women have the fewest children, and intelligence is heritable…

    (I see Coronavirus has transitioned and has a new handle btw)

  171. @anon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Could each of you define the word "judgementalism", and explain how it differs from "discernment"?

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Triteleia Laxa

    Could each of you define the word “judgementalism”, and explain how it differs from “discernment”?

    Discernment:

    Obesity lessens life expectancy, increases morbidities, induces aesthetic displeasure and is directly downstream of consuming more calories than you burn.

    Judgementalism:

    Obese people are bad people.

    Some may confuse my example of discernment with me judging them, but that is usually their own (self-)judgement coming to the fore.

    My example is only a collection of observations that would form part of understanding how and why an obese person is obese, and of understanding them.

    I also feel sad when I see extremely obese people, because I see and feel their pain. I imagine others do too, but, to avoid feeling sad, they turn their feelings into anger, disgust and judgement. Fortunately for me, the sadness, once accepted, turns into something that feels like love, which I much prefer.

  172. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    And so it goes. Women are solely responsible for reproduction. Men have absolutely nothing to do with it. I don’t believe you are really a Dad. It’s the only explanation I can think of for your endless harping on the obligation of women alone, with no help from men in any way to reproduce.

  173. @Matttt
    I always thought it weird that Bruce Jenner, born 1949, took a woman's name that only became popular starting around 1990. When Jenner was 65, he took the name of a 25 year old woman. That Levine guy who botched Pennsylvania's COVID response and now works for the Biden administration did the same thing. Rachel was not a popular name among women his age, but it was common among women in their mid-20's when he "transitioned."

    There's definitely something weird going on here.

    Replies: @Alden

    Rachel was out of style by about 1975. So Levine took a woman’s name popular when he was born. Lots of 45-65 year old Rachel’s. Also a reasonable change from Richard, a popular name when Levine was born Plus obviously Jewish first and last names. And Jews pride themselves on being on the cutting edge of every nasty weird dangerous thing that comes along.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden



    That Levine guy who botched Pennsylvania’s COVID response and now works for the Biden administration did the same thing. Rachel was not a popular name among women his age, but it was common among women in their mid-20’s when he “transitioned.”

     

    Rachel was out of style by about 1975. So Levine took a woman’s name popular when he was born. Lots of 45-65 year old Rachel’s.
     
    Rachel was in a trough 65 years ago and was only starting to rise by 45 years ago. Peak Rachel occurred in 1996. Matttt wins this round.


    https://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=rachel&sw=both&exact=false

    The SSA's annual names-of-newborns came out Friday and Rachel is #227, her lowest rank in the 121 years they cover. The previous low was #202 in 1951. Her only other sub-200 years were 1958 and 1959, a period in which Steve was born near the midpoint.
  174. @mc23
    @JohnPlywood

    Look up up Hitler's estimated IQ and the IQ test scores of the top Nazi brass. Marx was genius too. With great intelligence comes great errors.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Lockean Proviso

    With great intelligence comes great errors.

    What a true repository of virtue and wisdom sub-Saharan Africa muat be, free of all those dangerous eggheads! With America’s average IQ falling, the future looks brighter every year.

    What’s important is for a nation to have high enough average intelligence for there to be population-level resistance to bad ideas, and for there to be natural prevalence of highly bright outliers to generate good ideas and to thoroughly refute bad ones.

  175. @Triteleia Laxa
    @rebel yell


    If you don’t make judgments and assert truth you are not wise and more importantly you are useless in the real world
     
    Judgement gets in the way of both discerning and asserting truth. It also gets in the way of being heard when asserting truth.



    My friend is fat.

    She is fat because she overeats.

    She overeats because she is sad.

    Being fat makes her sadder.

    This pattern repeats because she is not aware of it.

    She is not aware of it, because becoming aware of it, would be too painful for her right now, as she is already conscious of more of her own pain than she can bare.

    She is doing her best, given her situation.

    See how, if I fell into judgement at any stage of this noticing, I would miss understanding the complete truth?

    See also how I might begin to understand how I might actually help her?

    Furthermore, see how she might react badly if I bring any of this up to her?

    Replies: @rebel yell

    So here’s the good judgment you should make with your fat friend. Consider all the factors you mentioned. Then – don’t treat her like a baby and worry about what “would be too painful for her right now”. Do prioritize the fact that if she remains obese she will have a bad life and early death. Do recognize that she needs a friend who will talk straight and tell it like it is. Don’t forget that you are not her savior, can’t live her life for her, and that people are extremely resistant to change (cause of genes), so you really can’t do much for her anyway.
    It sounds from your scenario that you will never say anything to her at all because you are too busy walking on eggshells worrying about being judgmental. What kind of friend is that?

    • Disagree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @rebel yell

    You believe that her difficulty stems from her not being told that being obese is unhealthy?

    That when I tell her, she will be like "oh my god, I never knew that, what a revelation!"

  176. @dfordoom
    @photondancer


    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary.
     
    Do you really believe that? It doesn't fit with anything I've ever observed in real life.

    I see anti-mother statements here every day.
     
    What I see on Unz Review are countless comments exhorting women to become mothers.

    The men who hang out on Unz Review are an odd lot, but this is a fringe site that attracts an enormous number of crazies, misfits and losers. You can't judge men in general by the men who hang out here. It would be like judging all women by the inmates of a mental hospital.

    Replies: @Alden, @photondancer

    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction. After a while it becomes obvious they don’t have wives girl friends or kids. Their ideal is single family home big yard suburban life styles . But they have no idea of the logistics of wrangling kids around spread out suburbs with no public transit or school buses. Or child care from newborns to teen boys nagging for a car of their own. They should write scripts for Hallmark movies about wonderful family life based on a modern conveniences version of The Waltons.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alden


    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.
     
    There's certainly a tendency amongst the men here to hold women solely to blame for falling birth rates. And it's amusing that they want higher birth rates but most would love to abolish welfare, which would result in - even lower birth rates.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction.
     
    As I said in my earlier comment, the men here are not typical of men in the real world. The people who hang out on Unz Review are not typical of people in the real world. Some of the commenters here are sane, reasonable and perceptive. But many are out-and-out crazies. At least some are, quite clearly, unmedicated schizophrenics.

    You shouldn't take UR too seriously. Treat it as an entertainment site. Or a comedy site.

    Replies: @plannumber9

  177. @JMcG
    @dfordoom

    I have young daughters and I can honestly say that they seem to view the world of dating with dread. We have had some distressingly frank conversations on the expectations that are becoming increasingly common among young men and, indeed, among even boys of late.
    Internet porn is a serious problem.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Fathers who don’t understand who the gatekeepers are is a serious problem. Your daughter isn’t a marketing agency.

  178. Check out the punchline, Steve.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  179. @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Odin hung himself from a tree for 9 days as part of his quest to avert Ragnarok. What have you done?

    I suppose you have sent yourself into delirium.

    You think it is less of a task to persuade women that they have to stay at home, conform to your cultural requirements, be meek and uneducated, just so they can have more babies, than it would be to try to persuade them directly to have more babies...

    Not that it has worked in Iran anyway

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “You think ….” – you have no idea what I think, although my comment history is there to read.

    But the inverse relationship (for women) between years of education and number of children exists in pretty much all places it’s been measured.

    (If you want a family, try to find a woman who likes babies (see her reactions to friends or relatives sprogging) and try to get to a position where you can support her as a full time mum. Not easy these days to put it mildly, it’s been getting harder for thirty years now.)

  180. @dfordoom
    @photondancer


    Give me a break. Men have never celebrated mothers, for all their prating to the contrary.
     
    Do you really believe that? It doesn't fit with anything I've ever observed in real life.

    I see anti-mother statements here every day.
     
    What I see on Unz Review are countless comments exhorting women to become mothers.

    The men who hang out on Unz Review are an odd lot, but this is a fringe site that attracts an enormous number of crazies, misfits and losers. You can't judge men in general by the men who hang out here. It would be like judging all women by the inmates of a mental hospital.

    Replies: @Alden, @photondancer

    Try going a single day here without someone banging off at mothers who are too single, too educated, too non-fecund, too crazy, too black – the list goes on.

    Oh, you only celebrate the right kind of mothers? then don’t pretend this is about motherhood. Rather, it’s about trying to force women into a mould.

    If men really, truly, celebrated motherhood we’d know about it because the whole of society would be based around it. There’d be no mothers or children living in poverty, buildings and transport would be amenable to prams, people would be breathlessly following mothers on media (social and traditional) instead of sportsmen and celebrities, and any number of other things. But none of this happens now, nor has it ever happened anywhere since (maybe) neolithic times.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @photondancer


    Try going a single day here without someone banging off at mothers who are too single, too educated, too non-fecund, too crazy, too black – the list goes on.

    Oh, you only celebrate the right kind of mothers? then don’t pretend this is about motherhood. Rather, it’s about trying to force women into a mould.
     
    OK, I can see what you're talking about now. It is true that here at UR the prevailing view is that GoodWomen are white, Christian, married with kids, stay-at-home mothers who obey their husbands. Women who don't fit that mould are BadWomen.

    A lot of the commenters here would really like to go back, not to the 1950s, but to the 17th century.

    But then once you've spent a bit of time at UR you'll realise that many of the commenters here not only have comically unrealistic ideas about how society should be, but honestly believe that their fantasies are achievable. This is UR, where there are people who seriously think that Hitler was a misunderstood genius. This is UR, where some commenters still check under the bed every night in case there are commies lurking there.
  181. @AnotherDad
    @Triteleia Laxa



    That for both men and women, marriage, children, family is the route to deep happiness
     
    It will be your propaganda versus their experience of their parents.
     
    Are you young?

    I'll grant there are plenty of "unhappy families". But for most people who've reached my "elderly" years have long, long ago realized that their deepest happiness--and their greatest concern--is rooted in their children. Usually this kicks in as soon as one has children, even though at that age, immediate career concerns are often top of the mind.


    Maybe drop the “people are defined by their sex” that drove educated women mad in the past, recognising that there are even more educated women now and that they had a point, and replace it with something true.
     
    For most of (post-neolithic) human history, the occupation of most people was "farmer" and "farm wife". And women were in general very happy to do their side of the farm labor, not the man's side.

    There have long been these middle and upper class girls who think "i'd like to be able to do--have the options--that my brothers have". With industrialization and modernity there are more such women.

    But guess what, we've done the experiment and it turns out women aren't much interested in actually doing what the men do. The default feminist profession is ... writer. I.e. they want to talk about how things ought to be. And we've gotten a horde of female politicians--telling other people what to do and talking about how things ought to be.

    What we haven't seen is a whole slew of female engineers, scientists, inventors, builders, technicians--actually doing stuff. I.e. showing male interest in things.

    There are exceptions. As Steve has pointed out, concentrated in the "life sciences", like the CRISPR gals. But i'd bet if you asked Jennifer Doudna what's more important to her, her CRISPR work and Nobel prize or being a mom, my guess is she would honestly say the later.

    You seem to want to replace it with something that advances your societal goals, not something that is true, which is understandable, but it is even more understandable why very few people are going to believe you.

     

    Yes, i very much want to live in--more on point leave to my children--a nation that is sane and healthy. But here, my opinion and your opinion about that are irrelevant.

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does. No feelings--mine, yours, male or female--enter into it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @photondancer

    What utter tosh. To claim that all those women who are looking after your children, teaching them, serving you in shops and restaurants, cleaning your office, healing your pets, healing you, researching disease etc. are not ‘doing stuff’. In Australia, incidentally, lab technician is 74% female according to a government website. You’ll have to remove that from your cherry-picked list of jobs that ‘do stuff’.

    You have absolutely no idea whether those farm wives were ‘very happy’ or not. It’s just a cosy myth you’ve made up. What we do know, however, is that a lot of farm girls left home as soon as they could (12 or so, often), to become something other than farm wife even if that was only a servant or factory girl. So they can’t have been that happy.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @photondancer


    You have absolutely no idea whether those farm wives were ‘very happy’ or not. It’s just a cosy myth you’ve made up. What we do know, however, is that a lot of farm girls left home as soon as they could (12 or so, often), to become something other than farm wife even if that was only a servant or factory girl. So they can’t have been that happy.
     
    There was a member of my own family who was raised on a farm, back in the 1930s (when everybody was happy). She swore that whatever she did in life she would never ever marry a farmer. She could not imagine a worse nightmare existence.

    You have raised a good point about knowing whether people were happy in the past. For the most part we have absolutely no idea. Were people happier in Victorian times? Were they happier in 17th century Puritan communities (the sort of communities a lot of people here seem to year for)? Were they happier in the Middle Ages? Were they happier in the years before WW2? We just don't know.

    Such data as we have is from more recent times, but it relies on social surveys and such surveys are of dubious value. For one thing, happiness is a vague sort of concept. We can't be sure that people in the 1950s thought of it the same way we do. For some people happiness was just a matter of accepting one's lot in life.

    An even bigger problem is that whether people were happy in the past depends on too many other factors. A woman in Victorian times who was married to a rich landowner or factory owner might have been very happy indeed. A shop girl eking out a precarious existence might have been much less happy. We don't even know for sure to what extent happens depends on wealth. For some people wealth definitely equates to happiness. For others, not so much. For some people security is the key to happiness. For others it's excitement. Some people have higher expectations than others.

    So yeah, statements that people were happier in the past have to be treated with scepticism. It might be true. It might not.

    I think there's a lot of unhappiness today, but there may have been just as much unhappiness in the past.
  182. @AnotherDad
    @Mike Tre


    “We need young men and women to find each other again…”

    The mask mandates work against this very thing.
     
    I can recognize a fine female form mask or no.

    But in any case ... just go to the beach, Mike. Masks not in evidence, plenty of bikinis, on yesterday's beach walk with AnotherMom.

    "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it"

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “I can recognize a fine female form mask or no.”

    You could probably see it with only one eye as well, after the government took your other one.

    “But in any case … just go to the beach, Mike. Masks not in evidence, plenty of bikinis, on yesterday’s beach walk with AnotherMom.”

    Why yearn for a loaf of bread when there are crumbs to be found on the floor?

    Remember freedom AnotherDad? I’m thinking not.

  183. It’s really bad for a small number of high IQ men to mislead lots of impressionable children for the sake of their fetish.

    The Bible says something about that. Men who maliciously lead the youth astray will wish they had never been born, or words to that effect.
    “Mill stones” are a key reference here.

  184. @Eric Novak
    @Abolish_public_education

    Your recollection is false:
    “After they tested their inherent personalities, they assessed their intelligence, conducting IQ tests on each of the 21 Nazi Leaders. IQ tests are actually quite common in death penalty cases. But they are usually used to determine if the accused has mental retardation (to avoid execution).
    Evil or not, few suspected these leaders were fools. And what’s fascinating about this test is that it’s the only known IQ test of an entire branch of government leadership.
    All who were tested demonstrated above average IQ’s. A number of them had very high scores. The average of all 21 Nazi leaders was 128, nearly two standard deviations smarter than the average person (Average IQ=100).
    There’s bitter irony in all this as IQ tests were but another mechanism Nazis used to kill and sterilize nearly half a million people. And their high scores, in this final hour, did plenty to service their egos.
    These three were among the higher-scoring members:
    Hermann Göring was Hitler’s second in command. He was a highly charismatic man who wielded great influence on those around him. Even within prison, he began to influence prisoners and guardsmen, to the point that they moved his cell further away from the others.
    He committed suicide two hours before he was to be hanged. He swallowed a cyanide pill and they still don’t know precisely who gave it to him (it was likely a guard he’d gained influence over).

    Source: pic by photos.com
    He scored a 138 on his IQ test
    Arthur Seyss-Inquart served as chancellor of The Netherlands for the Nazi party. He spearheaded the deportation and murder of tens of thousands of Jews. The inescapable facts of his actions led to his conviction of crimes against humanity. He was executed in 1946.

    Source: pic via Wikimedia Commons
    He scored a 141.
    Hjalmar Schacht scored the highest of all those tested but his story was different. He was the Minister of Economics and a key player in the massive expansion of Germany economy.
    He had a falling out with Hitler and Goring in 1939. He disagreed with their policies and became critical of the Nazi regime. This, and his ties to Hiter’s attempted assassins, led to his arrest and deportation to a concentration camp, where he languished for years.
    He was furious at his arrest and trial at Nuremberg as he’d been such a vocal critic and imprisoned for those criticisms. He offered a strong defense and was later acquitted.”

    historyofyesterday.com/the-results-of-the-nazi-iq-tests-c3a5e442f37c

    Replies: @Hereward the Woke

    IIRC the Nazis were not themselves especially fond of classical psychometrics since Jews tended to top the IQ rankings in Germany.

  185. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Converting the youth is not accidental. Read some of the sickening screenshots where tranny collectives brag about how many middle schoolers they have convinced to become “trans” in chat rooms.

    Also, the autogynephiles have an extremely high percentage of men with anti-social personality disorder. A man walking around in his kink outfit to deliberately make the public watch is no different than a flasher or subway masturbator. That’s antisocial personality disorder in a nutshell.

  186. @Achilleus
    To everyone who is flabbergasted by how far our civilization has fallen so quickly, just remember that the day will come five years from now when we would give anything just to get back to today.

    We are doomed.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @BluEidDvl, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Freedomstillisntfree

    I for one am hopeful we might get a war between now and then and atleast fight it out before succumbing to the new order. Would be better to go down fighting for the chance to stop this than just roll over., even if our chances are slim.

  187. @JohnPlywood
    @Altai

    Things haven't come far. Less than 1% of Americans are transgenders:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/06/30/us-trans-map_wide-82e4424e3a2991a16b34d142e7c93b7cdc609974.jpg

    Note also that it's more common in Southern and nonwhite states, which are the least trans friendly. The negative/skeptical attitude toward transgenders is an attribute of people who are most likely to carry the genes for transgenderism, reflecting an inner self hatred and desire to cover up one's true nature, to protect oneself from a sense of shame.


    I suspect a lot of people on this comment section are trans ex-men, or trans ex--ex men, given the unquenchable feminine energy that keeps vibing out in waves. Definitely a lot of tranny genes coalescing around here.

    Replies: @Jeff, @black sea, @Clyde

    Not less than—- Fewer than. Thank me!

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Clyde

    Thank you for what? Declaring your retardation? Less than was appropriate.

  188. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does.
     
    Well, they will not necessarily be replaced, in today's world, because all human societies are trending in the direction of -2 children per woman. There are not enough reproductive societies on Earth to replace all the unreproductive ones, and those reproductive societies will bleed out slowly over time.


    The few reproductive people on Earth don't seem to be very good at replacing others. I don't see them branching out all over the world and repeoducing there at rates sufficient to replace the native population. Even countries in Europe that have a lot of immigrants (like France) will still be majority European in 2100. The only real examples I can think of would be what happened in Texas with the Mexicans; --Texas went to minority white virtually overnight, as it was announced way back in 2005--, and that's only because Texas is right next door to Mexico and Texas Conservatives are some kind of weird breed of Mexican worshipper. Maine or New Hampshire for example aren't going to be like that. Bitch.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    As a matter of simple math, a society where, in the long term, the average woman does not produce 2+ children is a dying society. It will be replaced by one which does.

    Well, they will not necessarily be replaced, in today’s world, because all human societies are trending in the direction of -2 children per woman. There are not enough reproductive societies on Earth to replace all the unreproductive ones, and those reproductive societies will bleed out slowly over time.

    Agreed.

    But dissident rightists still seem to believe that those nasty black, brown and yellow hordes are breeding like rabbits. The truth of course is, as you say, that fertility rates are plummeting everywhere. Even in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Of course that still leaves the Amish. I’m more and more inclined to believe that there’s a sinister Amish plot for Amish world domination.

  189. @Alden
    @dfordoom

    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction. After a while it becomes obvious they don’t have wives girl friends or kids. Their ideal is single family home big yard suburban life styles . But they have no idea of the logistics of wrangling kids around spread out suburbs with no public transit or school buses. Or child care from newborns to teen boys nagging for a car of their own. They should write scripts for Hallmark movies about wonderful family life based on a modern conveniences version of The Waltons.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.

    There’s certainly a tendency amongst the men here to hold women solely to blame for falling birth rates. And it’s amusing that they want higher birth rates but most would love to abolish welfare, which would result in – even lower birth rates.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction.

    As I said in my earlier comment, the men here are not typical of men in the real world. The people who hang out on Unz Review are not typical of people in the real world. Some of the commenters here are sane, reasonable and perceptive. But many are out-and-out crazies. At least some are, quite clearly, unmedicated schizophrenics.

    You shouldn’t take UR too seriously. Treat it as an entertainment site. Or a comedy site.

    • Replies: @plannumber9
    @dfordoom

    Very puzzling, if sometimes enlightening. Passionate paragraphs advising wifehood and motherhood followed by bitter paragraphs advising men to avoid marriage followed by even more bitter paragraphs about women who had done just that, followed by other comments excoriating childless women followed by paragraphs excoriating women with children, followed by comments on the undesirability of working with women followed by exhortations for women to not work outside the home followed by lamentations about alimony (which I am all for abolishing, btw)
    There's no pleasing some people.
    There is some method in the madness, but it can be a head scratcher.

  190. @photondancer
    @dfordoom

    Try going a single day here without someone banging off at mothers who are too single, too educated, too non-fecund, too crazy, too black - the list goes on.

    Oh, you only celebrate the right kind of mothers? then don't pretend this is about motherhood. Rather, it's about trying to force women into a mould.

    If men really, truly, celebrated motherhood we'd know about it because the whole of society would be based around it. There'd be no mothers or children living in poverty, buildings and transport would be amenable to prams, people would be breathlessly following mothers on media (social and traditional) instead of sportsmen and celebrities, and any number of other things. But none of this happens now, nor has it ever happened anywhere since (maybe) neolithic times.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Try going a single day here without someone banging off at mothers who are too single, too educated, too non-fecund, too crazy, too black – the list goes on.

    Oh, you only celebrate the right kind of mothers? then don’t pretend this is about motherhood. Rather, it’s about trying to force women into a mould.

    OK, I can see what you’re talking about now. It is true that here at UR the prevailing view is that GoodWomen are white, Christian, married with kids, stay-at-home mothers who obey their husbands. Women who don’t fit that mould are BadWomen.

    A lot of the commenters here would really like to go back, not to the 1950s, but to the 17th century.

    But then once you’ve spent a bit of time at UR you’ll realise that many of the commenters here not only have comically unrealistic ideas about how society should be, but honestly believe that their fantasies are achievable. This is UR, where there are people who seriously think that Hitler was a misunderstood genius. This is UR, where some commenters still check under the bed every night in case there are commies lurking there.

  191. @photondancer
    @AnotherDad

    What utter tosh. To claim that all those women who are looking after your children, teaching them, serving you in shops and restaurants, cleaning your office, healing your pets, healing you, researching disease etc. are not 'doing stuff'. In Australia, incidentally, lab technician is 74% female according to a government website. You'll have to remove that from your cherry-picked list of jobs that 'do stuff'.

    You have absolutely no idea whether those farm wives were 'very happy' or not. It's just a cosy myth you've made up. What we do know, however, is that a lot of farm girls left home as soon as they could (12 or so, often), to become something other than farm wife even if that was only a servant or factory girl. So they can't have been that happy.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You have absolutely no idea whether those farm wives were ‘very happy’ or not. It’s just a cosy myth you’ve made up. What we do know, however, is that a lot of farm girls left home as soon as they could (12 or so, often), to become something other than farm wife even if that was only a servant or factory girl. So they can’t have been that happy.

    There was a member of my own family who was raised on a farm, back in the 1930s (when everybody was happy). She swore that whatever she did in life she would never ever marry a farmer. She could not imagine a worse nightmare existence.

    You have raised a good point about knowing whether people were happy in the past. For the most part we have absolutely no idea. Were people happier in Victorian times? Were they happier in 17th century Puritan communities (the sort of communities a lot of people here seem to year for)? Were they happier in the Middle Ages? Were they happier in the years before WW2? We just don’t know.

    Such data as we have is from more recent times, but it relies on social surveys and such surveys are of dubious value. For one thing, happiness is a vague sort of concept. We can’t be sure that people in the 1950s thought of it the same way we do. For some people happiness was just a matter of accepting one’s lot in life.

    An even bigger problem is that whether people were happy in the past depends on too many other factors. A woman in Victorian times who was married to a rich landowner or factory owner might have been very happy indeed. A shop girl eking out a precarious existence might have been much less happy. We don’t even know for sure to what extent happens depends on wealth. For some people wealth definitely equates to happiness. For others, not so much. For some people security is the key to happiness. For others it’s excitement. Some people have higher expectations than others.

    So yeah, statements that people were happier in the past have to be treated with scepticism. It might be true. It might not.

    I think there’s a lot of unhappiness today, but there may have been just as much unhappiness in the past.

  192. @Alden
    @Matttt

    Rachel was out of style by about 1975. So Levine took a woman’s name popular when he was born. Lots of 45-65 year old Rachel’s. Also a reasonable change from Richard, a popular name when Levine was born Plus obviously Jewish first and last names. And Jews pride themselves on being on the cutting edge of every nasty weird dangerous thing that comes along.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That Levine guy who botched Pennsylvania’s COVID response and now works for the Biden administration did the same thing. Rachel was not a popular name among women his age, but it was common among women in their mid-20’s when he “transitioned.”

    Rachel was out of style by about 1975. So Levine took a woman’s name popular when he was born. Lots of 45-65 year old Rachel’s.

    Rachel was in a trough 65 years ago and was only starting to rise by 45 years ago. Peak Rachel occurred in 1996. Matttt wins this round.

    https://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=rachel&sw=both&exact=false

    The SSA’s annual names-of-newborns came out Friday and Rachel is #227, her lowest rank in the 121 years they cover. The previous low was #202 in 1951. Her only other sub-200 years were 1958 and 1959, a period in which Steve was born near the midpoint.

  193. @rebel yell
    @Triteleia Laxa

    So here's the good judgment you should make with your fat friend. Consider all the factors you mentioned. Then - don't treat her like a baby and worry about what "would be too painful for her right now". Do prioritize the fact that if she remains obese she will have a bad life and early death. Do recognize that she needs a friend who will talk straight and tell it like it is. Don't forget that you are not her savior, can't live her life for her, and that people are extremely resistant to change (cause of genes), so you really can't do much for her anyway.
    It sounds from your scenario that you will never say anything to her at all because you are too busy walking on eggshells worrying about being judgmental. What kind of friend is that?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You believe that her difficulty stems from her not being told that being obese is unhealthy?

    That when I tell her, she will be like “oh my god, I never knew that, what a revelation!”

  194. • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @MEH 0910

    I love the NYT framing of all issues of cultural division:


    “Don’t make any assumptions.” Dr. Rachel Levine has become the first openly transgender person to ascend to a Senate-confirmed government post, and she arrives in the role amid an intensifying culture war over transgender rights.
     
    You see, there is a culture war over "transgender rights" declared and waged by conservatives. Levine (with no training or experience in virology and an abysmal record in Pennsylvania government preceding its last appointment) just happened to wind up at the heart of this cultural battle for utterly random and inexplicable reasons. Levine - the first trans everything in both Pennsylvania and the Federal Government we are told ad infinitum - is in no way part of a cultural offensive against the ruling class's gated outgroup. The outgroup is the aggressor here. Transsexuals are the victims.
  195. @Lurker
    @Alden

    Good point.

    The next time I tell the joke it will have to be the 'girl' reversing the car into the narrator's garage.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The next time I tell the joke it will have to be the ‘girl’ reversing the car into the narrator’s garage.

    Then you’d have to explain why you have a garage in Thailand.

    When you could have a Siamese garage right here in North America:

  196. @Alden
    @photondancer

    Teen girls have little interest in the Kardashians. As per usual, the aged bachelors of UNZ are writing nonsense about women and girls. Writing nonsense about women and girls because you don’t know any. You just believe everything the media tells you.

    I noted the standard aged bachelor remark that women aren’t having babies and women caused the birth rate to fall. I suggest the MEN OF UNZ read the wiki article on. human reproduction. Takes if not a man and a woman, at least an egg, some sperm and a glass container. You want to increase the population? Do it it’s not difficult to reproduce.

    Another aged bachelor who believed everything he reads in the liberal media wrote about the mass hysteria of girls who demand F-M transition. What’s wrong with the MEN OF UNZ? You don’t believe George Floyd was a martyr and saint. You don’t believe BLM is a spontaneous uprising of righteously indignant civil rights activists. Half of you believe covid is a hoax. Most of you have noticed that none of the dire global warming predictions of 40 years ago have come true.

    But you believe every word of the drivel the lying mass media writes about women and girls.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Another aged bachelor who believed everything he reads in the liberal media wrote about the mass hysteria of girls who demand F-M transition.

    So if it’s not mass hysteria, what is it?

  197. @rebel yell
    @anon

    Judgment means decision. It means discernment. It means drawing a conclusion and rendering a verdict.
    I don't know what judgmentalism means, unless it means bad judgment, or else its a pejorative to mean someone else's judgment I don't like but can't rebut.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Judgment means decision. It means discernment. It means drawing a conclusion and rendering a verdict.
    I don’t know what judgmentalism means, unless it means bad judgment, or else its a pejorative to mean someone else’s judgment I don’t like but can’t rebut.

    Or it could be used to refer to people with an excessive tendency to make judgments on things that are none of their business. We don’t have the right to make judgments on every aspect of other people’s lives or to render verdicts on them.

    Maybe judgmentalism means making judgments on people not because they’ve done something wrong, but because they’ve done something we personally don’t approve of. If someone does something you don’t approve of then before you render a verdict on that person you need to ask – does that person’s choice actually harm you or anyone else? If the answer is yes, go ahead and make a judgment. If the answer is no, there’s a solution that. It’s called minding your own business.

    Some things that people do are other people’s business, and some are not.

  198. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .
     
    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don't know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don’t know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.

    “There are infinite explanations but I don’t know whether an entirely novel and radical reorientation of society which just happens to perfectly coincide with this other phenomena of unhappiness is the correct one. Just as likely could be chemtrails or white supremacy. Being supported by a husband is slavery. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.”

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    There's been a billion changes, of which your hobby horse is one. You see your political platform as merely women being supported by their husbands, while women see it as slavery and rape. Good luck persuading them to see it your way!

    The thing about hobby horses, is that we all think we ride them, when really they are riding us; roughshod through our entire lives.

    Try to be honest with yourself about what you want for women. Write it down. Then ask yourself if they're ever going to accept it.

  199. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/NYTHealth/status/1391106999484567555

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I love the NYT framing of all issues of cultural division:

    “Don’t make any assumptions.” Dr. Rachel Levine has become the first openly transgender person to ascend to a Senate-confirmed government post, and she arrives in the role amid an intensifying culture war over transgender rights.

    You see, there is a culture war over “transgender rights” declared and waged by conservatives. Levine (with no training or experience in virology and an abysmal record in Pennsylvania government preceding its last appointment) just happened to wind up at the heart of this cultural battle for utterly random and inexplicable reasons. Levine – the first trans everything in both Pennsylvania and the Federal Government we are told ad infinitum – is in no way part of a cultural offensive against the ruling class’s gated outgroup. The outgroup is the aggressor here. Transsexuals are the victims.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
  200. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Desiderius


    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.
     

    I disagree. I find that judgementalism is nihilism and/or cowardice.

    People judge because they are afraid of finding out how little they know and because they are afraid of themselves.

    Such cowardice is what they need at the time as the small fragment of themselves, which they identify with, cannot accommodate itself to knowledge of its own limitations yet, so their defensiveness serves a purpose.

    Grown men may make judgements, but wise men find something higher and more complete in understanding of themselves and the other.

    What is a judgement of yourself, or others, that you commonly make and how do you feel both just before, and just after, you make it?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Judgmentalism isn’t a thing. To be a grown man is to make prudent judgments.

    Nonjudgmentalism is a fancy word for nihilism and/or cowardice.

    I disagree. I find that judgementalism is nihilism and/or cowardice.

    People judge because they are afraid of finding out how little they know and because they are afraid of themselves.

    Such cowardice is what they need at the time as the small fragment of themselves, which they identify with, cannot accommodate itself to knowledge of its own limitations yet, so their defensiveness serves a purpose.

    Grown men may make judgements, but wise men find something higher and more complete in understanding of themselves and the other.

    What is a judgement of yourself, or others, that you commonly make and how do you feel both just before, and just after, you make it?

    Call me judgmental, but I think someone ought to know how to spell “judgment” in American English in order for her views to be taken seriously.

    Query: How many Healing Energy Crystals do you own?

    • Troll: Triteleia Laxa
  201. @dfordoom
    @Alden


    Endless comments that women must , no shall become mothers but absolutely by themselves. No husband lover random one night stand sperm definitely no financial support or any other help.
     
    There's certainly a tendency amongst the men here to hold women solely to blame for falling birth rates. And it's amusing that they want higher birth rates but most would love to abolish welfare, which would result in - even lower birth rates.

    Read the comments of the MEN OF UNZ who are the most vociferous about reproduction.
     
    As I said in my earlier comment, the men here are not typical of men in the real world. The people who hang out on Unz Review are not typical of people in the real world. Some of the commenters here are sane, reasonable and perceptive. But many are out-and-out crazies. At least some are, quite clearly, unmedicated schizophrenics.

    You shouldn't take UR too seriously. Treat it as an entertainment site. Or a comedy site.

    Replies: @plannumber9

    Very puzzling, if sometimes enlightening. Passionate paragraphs advising wifehood and motherhood followed by bitter paragraphs advising men to avoid marriage followed by even more bitter paragraphs about women who had done just that, followed by other comments excoriating childless women followed by paragraphs excoriating women with children, followed by comments on the undesirability of working with women followed by exhortations for women to not work outside the home followed by lamentations about alimony (which I am all for abolishing, btw)
    There’s no pleasing some people.
    There is some method in the madness, but it can be a head scratcher.

  202. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Triteleia Laxa



    Do you find it odd that we now have the most formally educated women by population, while simultaneously women report being more unhappy than ever before?

    The most educated demographics of women also happen to be the most frequent consumers of psychotropic medications.

    Hmmmm . . . .

     

    There are infinite explanations for that. Maybe yours is correct, I don’t know.

    You will find though, that merely alleging a vague correlation between those two phenomena, will be insufficient to persuade women to consent to their enslavement.
     
    "There are infinite explanations but I don't know whether an entirely novel and radical reorientation of society which just happens to perfectly coincide with this other phenomena of unhappiness is the correct one. Just as likely could be chemtrails or white supremacy. Being supported by a husband is slavery. Thanks for coming to my TED talk."

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    There’s been a billion changes, of which your hobby horse is one. You see your political platform as merely women being supported by their husbands, while women see it as slavery and rape. Good luck persuading them to see it your way!

    The thing about hobby horses, is that we all think we ride them, when really they are riding us; roughshod through our entire lives.

    Try to be honest with yourself about what you want for women. Write it down. Then ask yourself if they’re ever going to accept it.

  203. @Jake
    @Steve Sailer

    Your last sentence explains Jews. And blacks. And the WASP, whose origin story is about being the poor helpless innocent always abused and cheated by the Catholic Church and the French and Spanish, which held all power and wealth.

    Replies: @Dissident

    You are particularly likely to be influential if everybody assumes you must be a pitiful victim but instead you are actually ferocious at getting what you want, but nobody ever notices.

    Your last sentence explains Jews. And blacks. And the WASP, whose origin story is about being the poor helpless innocent always abused and cheated by the Catholic Church and the French and Spanish, which held all power and wealth.

    Right. The Catholic Church, the French and the Spanish have all never held dominant power or wealth, anywhere, much less abused such privileges. And the only ones to have ever assumed, cynically exploited or wallowed in the mantle of victimhood have been Jews, blacks and WASPs. Most certainly never Catholics of any variety. You just left out one thing, though.

    [MORE]

    Self-awareness: How a lack of it is a uniquely, even exclusively Jewish, black, and WASP phenomenon. Or, at the very least, one never found among Catholics.

  204. @Clyde
    @JohnPlywood

    Not less than---- Fewer than. Thank me!

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Thank you for what? Declaring your retardation? Less than was appropriate.

  205. @Deckin
    @mc23

    I can attest from knowing someone who was at the trials and actually met Goering (and spent time with him through his work for the trial) that Goering was no fool and, for a short time, was running circles around Frank Jackson and the US prosecutors. People don't realize how close some of those defendants were to actually getting off on at least some of the big charges because of their acuity.

    Replies: @mc23

    Very interesting, I regret not paying more attention or questioning older people I knew.

  206. b13 says:

    Here’s a quote from Ted Kaczynski’s Wikipedia page:

    For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being a female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist, but changed his mind in the waiting room and did not disclose his reason for making the appointment.

    Ted K./the Unabomber also tested at an IQ of 167, got into Harvard at 16, and became the youngest assistant professor in the history of UC Berkely in math at 25. Seems like he fits the bill for AGP.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @b13

    Yup, Ted K is a classic example of an ex-man other than he wasn't quite crazy enough to go through with it.

  207. @Anon
    Steve, Jennifer Bilek is a freelance writer who has been writing articles exposing autogyn trans promoters for about a decade (she was deplatformed by them over something peripheral, and she then made it her life's work to track them down and reveal how they have financed and promoted transgenderism; she also offers hair styling and portrait painting services).

    I just did a search on iSteve, and you've never used the string "Bilek," so perhaps you are unaware of her. Here's her blog, and she manages to get stuff published here and there on conservative or TERF feminism websites:

    https://www.the11thhourblog.com/archives

    There's a lot of her stuff here:

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/author/jbilek/

    Here's her profile of your former classmate:

    At the heart of the emerging "Gender Identity" industry is a man in a dress, donning women's breasts with the confidence only a man could acquire after a lifetime of being a first class citizen. Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist and has written extensively on the connections between the two. Rothblatt believes that human sexual dimorphism is tantamount to South African apartheid and that transgenderism is an onramp to transhumanism – which is for him an exercise in overcoming "fleshism" ....

    https://uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/
     
    More of these guys, uh, gals, and how they create and fund zillions of nonprofits in a way that makes it seem to politicians and others like there's a irresistable swarm of support coming from all sides:

    The Billionaires Behind The LGBT Movement
    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

    There's a lot more.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @kihowi, @James Forrestal

    Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist

    > Rothblatt

    >Supports transsexualism and transhumanism

    What a surprise. Let me guess — he supports open borders, too… except when he’s “standing with Israel” against the evil Palestinian goyim…

    Hmm…

    “Rothblatt considers “herself” a Zionist…”

    Yep.

    Very reminiscent of another “Fellow White” transsexual — James “Jennifer” Pritzker, whose entire family is deeply involved in using their billions to promote transsexualism, the sacralization of sodomy, Israel Firstism, open borders [for goy countries]
    and related rootless cosmopolitan concerns.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @James Forrestal

    His highest paid employee, Howard Stern, called him "Martin Luther Queen."

    He's a brilliant guy, much smarter than me.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @James Forrestal

  208. @James Forrestal
    @Anon


    Martine Rothblatt, born in 1954 is an exceedingly accomplished entrepreneur and lawyer. As the founder of United Theraputics, he was the top earning CEO in the biopharmaceutical industry. He identifies as a transsexual and transhumanist
     
    > Rothblatt

    >Supports transsexualism and transhumanism

    What a surprise. Let me guess -- he supports open borders, too... except when he's "standing with Israel" against the evil Palestinian goyim...

    Hmm...

    "Rothblatt considers "herself" a Zionist..."

    Yep.

    Very reminiscent of another "Fellow White" transsexual -- James "Jennifer" Pritzker, whose entire family is deeply involved in using their billions to promote transsexualism, the sacralization of sodomy, Israel Firstism, open borders [for goy countries]
    and related rootless cosmopolitan concerns.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    His highest paid employee, Howard Stern, called him “Martin Luther Queen.”

    He’s a brilliant guy, much smarter than me.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I'm sure he's quite sharp -- unfortunately.

    BTW, issues of collective ethnic agendas aside, there's a useful term that I believe originates from the Something Awful forums that might be applicable here -- "troon."

    It's apparently a portmanteau of "transgender" and "goon."

    Though he's not particularly physically imposing, another good example of this type is notorious antifa doxxer/ "news" media liaison Eddie "Emily" Gorcenski. He was a dual major in aeronautical and mechanical engineering at RPI, and works as a data scientist in whatever time he can spare from spewing anti-White hatred online. He's not really the most feminine-appearing individual:

    https://i.postimg.cc/fR68PmJ3/Gorcenski-Ed-Looking-Rough.jpg

    And, as noted above, he appears to be fairly bright, with stereotypically masculine interests. He seems to be... rather aggressive at times. Here he's threatening to shoot so-called "TERFS" for refusing to support his fetish.

    In Eoin Lenihan's long-since shoahed network analysis* of antifa-media connections on Twitter, Gorcenski was one of the top nodes -- right up there with people like "AntiFash Gordon," Michael Edison Hayden, Jason Wilson [The Guardian's antifa liaison], etc.

    https://i.postimg.cc/x1dKPJKb/Network-Map-w-Prominent-Nodes.jpg

    I don't think Lenihan quite understood how the system works. He thought he was exposing an "abuse" of the system, rather than the system working as designed -- and that if he disavowed so-called "White supreemist fascist not-sees" hard enough, he'd be fine.

    Nope.
    Not really.

    *"We mapped the social interactions of 58,254 Antifa affiliated accounts on Twitter based on an initial seed of 16 self-identifying and verifiable Antifa accounts (and Mark Bray who chose not to confirm if he is a member of Antifa but whose book makes a solid case for inclusion)."

    "We reduced the dataset to 1.65% of all 58,254 accounts - leaving us with 962 accounts. These were the 1.65% most connected Antifa and Antifa associated accounts on Twitter. Each had a minimum of 8 connections within the initial dataset, most having many more."

    Etc.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.howardstern.com/show/2007/03/01/once-a-man-always-a-genius-rundowngallerymodel-10420/

    Martine next acknowledged "she" got good grades in high school, and that "she" scored roughly 1300 on "her" SAT.

    Uhhh....

  209. @b13
    Here's a quote from Ted Kaczynski's Wikipedia page:

    For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being a female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist, but changed his mind in the waiting room and did not disclose his reason for making the appointment.
     
    Ted K./the Unabomber also tested at an IQ of 167, got into Harvard at 16, and became the youngest assistant professor in the history of UC Berkely in math at 25. Seems like he fits the bill for AGP.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Yup, Ted K is a classic example of an ex-man other than he wasn’t quite crazy enough to go through with it.

  210. @Dumbo
    How is this different from believing that you're Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    They are narcissistic freaks, like a lot of people with "high IQ". We shouldn't cater to their narcissism and psychosis.

    In fact, I increasingly have a problem with what is the "fetishization of IQ", valuing numbers instead of actual accomplishments. Why should someone with an "IQ" of 130 feel superior to someone with an IQ of 125? It's just a freaking test. It means nothing. Marilyn von Savant (stupid pseudonym) Is supposedly the person with the highest IQ in the world, and what does she use it for? Solving crossword puzzles. No kidding.

    So, in the end, that's what you get for fetishizing "IQ" instead of simply talking of mere intelligence and common sense, and how they use it. Imagine the ancients discussing things this way, "Plato and Aristotle are smart, but there is this guy Proximedes who has an IQ of 162, he surely must be smarter even if he didn't write anything of note). IQ means nothing, all that matters is what you do, and if you use it for good or evil.


    Scott Alexander cited a study of late onset ex-men who averaged a 128 IQ.
     
    It means nothing. If a man really believes "he's a woman" he's still a madman, and should probably be put into an institution.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @TTSSYF, @Stebbing Heuer, @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @James Forrestal

    How is this different from believing that you’re Napoleon?

    In other words, they are mentally deranged or simply insane. No one should care what they are talking about.

    Sure, but the problem is not that a trannies are suddenly taking over the world — it’s that people in positions of power are choosing to promote transsexualism. They could do the same thing with furries, or bronies, or foot fetishists, or whatever weird paraphilia if they wanted to — that’s the power of narrative control. All they have to do is incessantly promote practitioners of a particular fetish as an important “oppressed,” “marginalized” group [i.e. high status in intersectional terms].

  211. @Steve Sailer
    @James Forrestal

    His highest paid employee, Howard Stern, called him "Martin Luther Queen."

    He's a brilliant guy, much smarter than me.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @James Forrestal

    Yeah, I’m sure he’s quite sharp — unfortunately.

    BTW, issues of collective ethnic agendas aside, there’s a useful term that I believe originates from the Something Awful forums that might be applicable here — “troon.”

    It’s apparently a portmanteau of “transgender” and “goon.”

    Though he’s not particularly physically imposing, another good example of this type is notorious antifa doxxer/ “news” media liaison Eddie “Emily” Gorcenski. He was a dual major in aeronautical and mechanical engineering at RPI, and works as a data scientist in whatever time he can spare from spewing anti-White hatred online. He’s not really the most feminine-appearing individual:

    And, as noted above, he appears to be fairly bright, with stereotypically masculine interests. He seems to be… rather aggressive at times. Here he’s threatening to shoot so-called “TERFS” for refusing to support his fetish.

    In Eoin Lenihan’s long-since shoahed network analysis* of antifa-media connections on Twitter, Gorcenski was one of the top nodes — right up there with people like “AntiFash Gordon,” Michael Edison Hayden, Jason Wilson [The Guardian’s antifa liaison], etc.

    I don’t think Lenihan quite understood how the system works. He thought he was exposing an “abuse” of the system, rather than the system working as designed — and that if he disavowed so-called “White supreemist fascist not-sees” hard enough, he’d be fine.

    Nope.
    Not really.

    *”We mapped the social interactions of 58,254 Antifa affiliated accounts on Twitter based on an initial seed of 16 self-identifying and verifiable Antifa accounts (and Mark Bray who chose not to confirm if he is a member of Antifa but whose book makes a solid case for inclusion).”

    “We reduced the dataset to 1.65% of all 58,254 accounts – leaving us with 962 accounts. These were the 1.65% most connected Antifa and Antifa associated accounts on Twitter. Each had a minimum of 8 connections within the initial dataset, most having many more.”

    Etc.

  212. @Steve Sailer
    @James Forrestal

    His highest paid employee, Howard Stern, called him "Martin Luther Queen."

    He's a brilliant guy, much smarter than me.

    Replies: @James Forrestal, @James Forrestal

    https://www.howardstern.com/show/2007/03/01/once-a-man-always-a-genius-rundowngallerymodel-10420/

    Martine next acknowledged “she” got good grades in high school, and that “she” scored roughly 1300 on “her” SAT.

    Uhhh….

  213. @Steve

    I think you are bang on target.

    I have AGP. I am definitely 140+ although I have never taken an official IQ test. Two degrees in computer science (3.9 and 4.0 GPA). Perfect GRE score in math and analytical (1600/1600), GMAT 770, had a rank of 2, 19 and 14 out of 300K+ students in Indian state-wide med school entrance, high-school leaving and engineering entrance exams respectively.

    [MORE]

    Fortunately I grew up in a time (born in mid 70s) and in a place (India) where there was no trans agenda. Shudder to think what could have happened if I were an American adolescent today.

    On the onset of puberty, I realized the only way I could find orgasm was to crossdress and / or imagine myself as a female, with all the cultural practices and behavior that go along with being a female in India during 80s and 90s.

    But it was mostly clear to me that my condition was a simulation, similar to ancient Asian acting / dancing traditions which always included female impersonators. For some reason, that simulation just turned me on, immensely. Never thought I was a real woman just born in the wrong body. Also since I was romantically and sexually — AGP and heterosexuality are not always mutually exclusive, but AGP tends to dominate any other form of sexuality — in women, and in India women were, and still are, very clearly “the second sex”, there was very little advantage in pretending to be a woman. So I was a closeted AGP, which I learned to live with.

    Teenage years were confusing as it was very difficult to find any material on my condition. But I remember running into German literature in college libraries that classified the condition into categories such as transvestic fetishist, secondary transsexual, primary transsexual etc. “Gender Identity” BS was yet to be constructed, and unfortunately the word AGP, which very precisely describes the condition, was not coined yet. Although I hated to describe my sexuality as a fetish, being of logical and analytical mind, had to concede that category fitted me the best.

    I was an enthusiastic supporter when Blanchard’s AGP work came out, and remember how he was hounded by the trans agenda. Was both sad and scared to see that reaction when for the first time the condition of being was described accurately.

    The best suggestion I can give to today’s youth is to learn to live with it. Temper and control the condition as much as possible while nurturing other, often secondary, romanic and sexual interests, and developing inter-personal and social skills by actively pursuing hobbies and activities that are social and team-oriented. Otherwise, it’s very easy to become obsessed with this condition and reach dark places in solo and sole pursuit of pleasure.

    Regarding etiology, I think it’s a genetic condition, and some X-chromosome genes are involved. On my maternal side, there is an extremely high frequency of homosexual, asexual, submissive (in a sexual sense) individuals, and within the same cluster, there is also an absurdly high frequency of high IQ achievers in many different countries and in many different professions — government, medical, scientists. Culture and fashion do not explain it. I think a small set of genes control what triggers us sexually (sexual preference) and how we act in response to that trigger (sexual role) to reach orgasm. AGP is a condition when some male individuals develop a female sexual role, independent of their “sexual preference”.

    • Thanks: Dissident
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @AGP140Plus


    “Gender Identity” BS was yet to be constructed
     
    NYT, 1976, on Renee Richards/ Richard Raskin:
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/07/24/archives/a-former-male-tennis-player-seeks-to-join-womens-tour.html

    A transsexual is a biological male with X and Y chromosomes like a normal male, but one who feels psychologically that he is a female and has a sex change operation in which the male sex organs and hormone‐producing glands are removed and a vagina is created. Usually the person is given female hormones.

    A transvestite is a person who has the genetic characteristics and biological organs of one sex, but who attired himself like a member of the opposite sex.

    Yeah that's totally lacking in the whole "gender" layer of mystification -- let alone the Foucault-laden "queer theory" BS.

    NGram of transsexual vs. transvestite vs. transgender -- note that "transsexual" mostly levels out, but "transvestite" drops significantly, while "transgender" [of course] heads to the moon.

    Incidentally, there's an irreconcilable conflict between the feminist and "transgender" constructs of "gender" -- that's one of the reasons for the constant attacks on "TERFs." Feminism = you're born male or female as far as biological sex, but gender norms/ behaviors/ and capabilities are wholly socially-constructed [muh Blank Slate]. If you're a woman who likes to do "male" things, you're not a man, but a strong, independent, feminist whatever. Transgenderism = if you're a biological male, but feel more comfortable with stereotypically-female gender norms and behaviors, then you're "really" a female in some indefinable [metaphysical? biological? No one really seems to know for sure] but totally real sense.

    Hence feminists will try to claim that advocates of transgenderism are "bioessentialists" [obviously a major sin to any true-believing leftist]. But "Transsexuals R da REAL Bioessentialist, Patriarchal Misogynists!" works about as well for them as "Dems R da REAL 'Racists'!" [or "Dems R da REAL 'transphobes'!"] works for Republicucks...
  214. @AGP140Plus
    @Steve

    I think you are bang on target.

    I have AGP. I am definitely 140+ although I have never taken an official IQ test. Two degrees in computer science (3.9 and 4.0 GPA). Perfect GRE score in math and analytical (1600/1600), GMAT 770, had a rank of 2, 19 and 14 out of 300K+ students in Indian state-wide med school entrance, high-school leaving and engineering entrance exams respectively.

    Fortunately I grew up in a time (born in mid 70s) and in a place (India) where there was no trans agenda. Shudder to think what could have happened if I were an American adolescent today.

    On the onset of puberty, I realized the only way I could find orgasm was to crossdress and / or imagine myself as a female, with all the cultural practices and behavior that go along with being a female in India during 80s and 90s.

    But it was mostly clear to me that my condition was a simulation, similar to ancient Asian acting / dancing traditions which always included female impersonators. For some reason, that simulation just turned me on, immensely. Never thought I was a real woman just born in the wrong body. Also since I was romantically and sexually -- AGP and heterosexuality are not always mutually exclusive, but AGP tends to dominate any other form of sexuality -- in women, and in India women were, and still are, very clearly "the second sex", there was very little advantage in pretending to be a woman. So I was a closeted AGP, which I learned to live with.

    Teenage years were confusing as it was very difficult to find any material on my condition. But I remember running into German literature in college libraries that classified the condition into categories such as transvestic fetishist, secondary transsexual, primary transsexual etc. "Gender Identity" BS was yet to be constructed, and unfortunately the word AGP, which very precisely describes the condition, was not coined yet. Although I hated to describe my sexuality as a fetish, being of logical and analytical mind, had to concede that category fitted me the best.

    I was an enthusiastic supporter when Blanchard's AGP work came out, and remember how he was hounded by the trans agenda. Was both sad and scared to see that reaction when for the first time the condition of being was described accurately.

    The best suggestion I can give to today's youth is to learn to live with it. Temper and control the condition as much as possible while nurturing other, often secondary, romanic and sexual interests, and developing inter-personal and social skills by actively pursuing hobbies and activities that are social and team-oriented. Otherwise, it's very easy to become obsessed with this condition and reach dark places in solo and sole pursuit of pleasure.

    Regarding etiology, I think it's a genetic condition, and some X-chromosome genes are involved. On my maternal side, there is an extremely high frequency of homosexual, asexual, submissive (in a sexual sense) individuals, and within the same cluster, there is also an absurdly high frequency of high IQ achievers in many different countries and in many different professions -- government, medical, scientists. Culture and fashion do not explain it. I think a small set of genes control what triggers us sexually (sexual preference) and how we act in response to that trigger (sexual role) to reach orgasm. AGP is a condition when some male individuals develop a female sexual role, independent of their "sexual preference".

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    “Gender Identity” BS was yet to be constructed

    NYT, 1976, on Renee Richards/ Richard Raskin:
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/07/24/archives/a-former-male-tennis-player-seeks-to-join-womens-tour.html

    A transsexual is a biological male with X and Y chromosomes like a normal male, but one who feels psychologically that he is a female and has a sex change operation in which the male sex organs and hormone‐producing glands are removed and a vagina is created. Usually the person is given female hormones.

    A transvestite is a person who has the genetic characteristics and biological organs of one sex, but who attired himself like a member of the opposite sex.

    Yeah that’s totally lacking in the whole “gender” layer of mystification — let alone the Foucault-laden “queer theory” BS.

    NGram of transsexual vs. transvestite vs. transgender — note that “transsexual” mostly levels out, but “transvestite” drops significantly, while “transgender” [of course] heads to the moon.

    Incidentally, there’s an irreconcilable conflict between the feminist and “transgender” constructs of “gender” — that’s one of the reasons for the constant attacks on “TERFs.” Feminism = you’re born male or female as far as biological sex, but gender norms/ behaviors/ and capabilities are wholly socially-constructed [muh Blank Slate]. If you’re a woman who likes to do “male” things, you’re not a man, but a strong, independent, feminist whatever. Transgenderism = if you’re a biological male, but feel more comfortable with stereotypically-female gender norms and behaviors, then you’re “really” a female in some indefinable [metaphysical? biological? No one really seems to know for sure] but totally real sense.

    Hence feminists will try to claim that advocates of transgenderism are “bioessentialists” [obviously a major sin to any true-believing leftist]. But “Transsexuals R da REAL Bioessentialist, Patriarchal Misogynists!” works about as well for them as “Dems R da REAL ‘Racists’!” [or “Dems R da REAL ‘transphobes’!”] works for Republicucks…

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