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As perhaps most now know, China is preparing a digital currency with which it intends to replace cash entirely, and other countries, including the US, are considering the idea. Conservatives and libertarians will shriek, pull their hair, and turn blue at the idea, perhaps with good reason—which doesn’t matter since it is going to happen anyway.

How would it work? Digital currencies have many interesting qualities, but here we will look only at a few relevant to this column. First, you download the app like any other. It gives you a QR code and requires a face scan and perhaps a fingerprint scan, so that only you can use your money. Second, details of every transaction are recorded: time, place, name, and amount of every payment., from whom to whom. Most people won’t care since most people don’t do anything illegal, which will facilitate acceptance.

What effects would it have? Many and astonishing. A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight. At street level, every speedball sold would be paid for by the addict to the corner dealer, with the time, place, amount, buyer, and seller being recorded. The pattern caused by a dealer’s making repeated sales would be easily detected by AI algorithms. When the street-level guy bought a new kilo or whatever from his own dealer, this would instantly be flagged. When Pedro of Mexico wanted to sell a large batch to DeShawn in Chicago, the deal would stand out like sanity in a Democratic administration. Getting around this would be extremely difficult if not (more likely) impossible.

Arrests would not be necessary. Freezing the dealer’s account would be sufficient. As they say in Asia in another context, no money, no honey. Political effects? The current mass incarceration of blacks for drug crime would cease, and the drug trade would cease to ravage black neighborhoods. Reflection will show that many kinds of crime would disappear.

Money laundering? You would have to explain how you got it in the first place but if a crooked bank, which may mean all of them, accepted huge deposits of mysterious origin, lights would flash and bells go ringadingding at watchdog agencies. If the central authority wondered why Willy Bill had suddenly gotten seven million bucks from someone else who could not explain where he got it, the bank could simply freeze the money until Willy Bill dropped in to explain.

This isn’t fantasy. The technology exists. It is in use. In China, eighty percent of transactions are by cellphone apps. The Chinese predict that they will have digital currency up and running for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

Corruption? Many forms would become harder. When a congressman receives twenty times his annual salary from somebody working for Lockheed-Martin the road to Leavenworth would loom. Bribery would not be impossible, but harder to hide.

Another effect would be that the (encrypted) digital currency of one country would be independent of and opaque to other countries and thus secure against foreign (read American) meddling. This has begun to worry Washington. The city seems to have noted that China could pay Iran for oil in digital yuan, circumventing American sanctions. Many countries would like to get themselves out from under the American financial boot. Once the dijjywan becomes functional a rush to use it, probably in addition to the dollar, would not be surprising.

On a slightly different subject, note that a great deal of the annoyance and bureaucracy of modern life come from the use of different means of identifying ourselves. We carry credit cards, ID cards, library cards, passports, and suchlike. At airports we have to produce tickets and ID. We have driver’s licenses and scuba-certification cards. On and on.

All of this could be eliminated by a combination of reliable biometric identification (face-recognition, fingerprints, iris scan, what have you) and cloud storage. At the airport a face scan identifies you, checks to see that you have paid for a ticket to France, checks to see that you hold a valid passport, and you board your flight by simply walking aboard. At a restaurant you pay by saying, “Visa.” No cards, no forms to sign. Reliable biometric ID would also allow getting rid of keys, passwords, and the like since all these do really is to identify you.

Would all of this endanger privacy? Usually, no. For example, the software could ensure that no one could see your scuba cert except with your permission, that border enforcement could check your passport information and visas but no one else could, and so on.

However, the government could see anything it wanted. Exactly as the shrieking blue libertarians and conservatives say. When, whether, and to what extent this would matter to most of us can be debated, but it would assuredly be possible. Again, this is not Fred’s fevered imagination. All of the technology exists, right now.

But…how different is this from today’s America? Visa and your bank record every purchase you make with a credit card, time, place and amount. Gmail or Outlook saves all your emails. Every check you write, every deposit or withdrawal becomes a record. Your smartphone knows where it is and therefore, usually, where you are: In Mexico I say to my iPhone, “Hey Siri, where am I?” she knows exactly. Cell towers know within a fairly short radius where your phone is, usually with you, and time correlation can show who you spent time with. The sites you visit on the web go into data bases. If you have been visiting porn sites involving donkeys, Google, which is as much a part of government as Congress, knows it. If you have “Hey Siri” activated, and perhaps if you don’t, your phone is always listening. Amazon knows all your purchases and reading habits. (Incidentally, it disappears books those in charge don’t like. A book is equally gone regardless of whether the vanishment is done by Washington or a quasi-governmental tech company.)

It gets worse. Our television—I am inclined to say “telescreen”– has control by gesture, meaning that it has a camera, as well as voice control. In principle, it listens only when we use the remote to tell it to. In practice, who knows? We have two Alexa boxes in the house If we accidentally say “Alexa” in one room, the box two rooms away will come alive and ask what we want. Would—does—Jeff Bezos let the government use this facility? I don’t know. With shaky search warrants and bunkum about national security, what choice would he have?. And of corse cameras are everywhere.

Most of this is innocuous. Nobody will look at the Seven-Eleven video of me buying a six-pack of Tecate unless there is a robbery, which would not involve me. But the watchfulness is there, everywhere, all the time, if anyone wants to get at it

We seem to be getting the surveillance so many fear, but not the benefits.

Traipsing Through Wonderland

Chronicles of a wild life in biker bars and the fleshpots of Bangkok, of years of solo hitchhiking across America, of a Southern boyhood of drag racing in old wrecks and guns and beer, of Marine Corps boot camp and Moon’s strange church, of scuba diving the deep walls of the Caribbean and cave diving in Mexico, of life on staff at Soldier of Fortune magazine and nine years as police reporter for the Washington Times in the weird, sad, and often unbelievable urban Petri dishes of the big cities. Politically incorrect and evilly funny, Fred takes no prisoners. He skews with murderous wit things he doesn’t like, which are many: pols, talking heads, officious do-gooders. He has a soft spot for things he does like, such as dogs, drunks, bar girls, and ambulance crews, of all of which he has known many. His work has appeared in Playboy, Harper’s, the Washington Post magazine an op-ed pages, and suchlike stations of the literary cross.

Write Fred at jet.possum@gmail.com. Put the letters pdq anywhere in the subject line to avoid autodeletion. All read, answer not assured due to volume.

 
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  1. Reflection will show that many kinds of crime would disappear.

    Oh, I’m sure someone will think of cutting off heads and hands of White devils to unlock their phones to pay for things. Yes, they will be reported, but the new 28th amendment that no black offender can be arrested for anything will apply.

    • Agree: Alternate History
  2. Is this satire? If not, it’s S*T*U*P*I*D!!

  3. This column reminded of the current flap about Congressman Gaetz. The Feds have gone on a fishing expedition into his sexual and financial habits.

    There seems to be an attempt to target possible Republican Presidential nominees. 60 Minutes went after the governor of Florida in a pretty nasty way.

    We seem to have a very politicized Justice Department and Media complex.

    • Replies: @Escher
    , @Pindos
  4. ia says:

    Poor addicts would pay with barter, probably from the proceeds of violent robberies conducted by strung-out desperadoes. Others would sell their bodies. Richer, functioning addicts would sell off their possessions until they had nothing left.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    , @al007
    , @Bite Moi
  5. TG says:

    1. A digital currency would allow total state control of every transaction. What you buy, from whom, when all of it not just recorded but CONTROLLED. Good luck doing anything when you have run afoul of some minor administrative rule and are banned from the system.

    2. Taxes on taxes on taxes and you will never really know what something costs. Kind of like our current health care system, yes?

    3. As far as corruption: the worst corruption is legal and will be just fine with digital currency. Some politician agrees to push a billion dollars of public towards some wealthy donor, the donor agrees to put the politician and his/her relatives on the boards of a bunch of corporations. Not a problem. Someone complains about this? Hey they must be a racist revoke their digital money accounts…

    4. As far as low-level criminality: John Maynard Keynes once commented on the impossibility of outlawing money. As the Digital system becomes increasingly abusive and extractive etc., people – not just criminals – will move back towards gold, or whiskey, or foreign currency…. and there is always barter.

    Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

  6. mapman says:

    LOL, Fred. Don’t be silly. You must have heard of barter. You probably also heard of cryptocurrencies. Think!

  7. People of unz disparage Mr Fred(i don’t) for following his own path, and, seemingly, learn something from those divergences.
    2 paths…or something like that. Frost might have. beenthinking of Mr Fred.
    Hope you get one more piece, Sir.

  8. Carlo says:

    This is all very nice if we accept the premise that governments always have good intentions and care for the well-being of its subjects. Which is not the case most of the times, and I am not here criticizing the Chinese or any other specific government, the tendency to abuse power is universal – yes, even in developed Western democracies:. in the West this could easily be used for “gender” or “race” crimes or whatever any other collective madness is imposed at us at any given time: just freeze the accounts of inconvenient people.

    • Agree: journey80
  9. jsinton says:

    So what happens when you become the “enemy of the state” because you don’t have “double good” political speech and the “Great Scrutinizer” decides to lock out your money app? We already have people locked out of Twitter and Youtube because they have “wrong think”. But what if I can’t buy groceries because I say there was election fraud or I say COVID is a scamdemic? So the answer is no, no way.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Arthur MacBride
  10. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:

    Haven’t we learned from the new woke religion and cancel culture that the prevailing mob culture will scrutinize every action and how wonderful that it is all recorded so that all will be accountable to current winds of collectivist thinking.

  11. Biff says:
    @jsinton

    So what happens when you become the “enemy of the state” because you don’t have “double good” political speech and the “Great Scrutinizer” decides to lock out your money app? We already have people locked out of Twitter and Youtube because they have “wrong think”. But what if I can’t buy groceries because I say there was election fraud or I say COVID is a scamdemic?

    All of it can happen already. What are you waiting for?

  12. Most people won’t care since most people don’t do anything illegal, which will facilitate acceptance.

    Who would have thought old Fred Reed would have joined the “if you have nothing to hide” school of thought? 1984 was not an instruction manual, Fred.

    But…how different is this from today’s America? Visa and your bank record every purchase you make with a credit card, time, place and amount. Gmail or Outlook saves all your emails. Every check you write, every deposit or withdrawal becomes a record.

    Not every American is as lazy and stupid as Fred Reed, though, that’s the thing. Plenty of Americans use cash for lots of transaction, as the Chinese did only as far back as 10 years ago (when I thought that place really had some promise as the “wild, wild East”. There is crypto currency. There are protonmail and others. Those who value convenience over liberty don’t make the effort to learn about these things.

    Then, Fred Reed notes about all that he sees as he sits his ass in front of his TV. Lots of us have left the TV and cable behind too. Then, the only time I’ve talked to the idiot Siri was to ask her, as a joke for my kid “Siri, can you show us your tits?” (He was too young at the time to get it.) What the flying fuck are you doing with the Alexa boxes in your home, Reed? Was that the wife’s idea? Maybe you should be a man for once and take those boxes and throw them in your gated community’s dumpster.

    This post really, really, pisses me off, if you can’t tell. Just because you want to lay back and take this Orwellian stuff up the ass doesn’t mean all Americans do, you lazy bastard! Sure, China is the future to you. I don’t want what they’re having over there, and I’m NOT having it.

    Though China would probably not let him in to live there, even so, Fred Reed has been harmonized!*

    .

    * See also Part 2, Part 3, , and Part 4.

  13. @Achmed E. Newman

    You think Mr Fred is lazy and stupid?
    Are you sure?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  14. The converse is that the necessity of the drug trade (and the companion sex trade) means that digital currency will probably never replace the Benjamins.

    How much of the real global GDP is in drugs, prostitution, and slavery? (Selling sex access to 13 year olds is slavery, not prostitution.)

    Take your best estimate and multiply by about 100X since the best estimate would be supplied by the CIA who may be the biggest operator in these trades.

  15. niceland says:

    This is assuming people only have access to a single currency. Perhaps possible in some future police state dystopia. Cash, barter, different digital currencies from foreign countries, or some of the cryptocurrencies, hundreds currently available.

  16. A123 says:

    There are a huge number of well tested, well understood chemicals that are only of interest to those who care about them.

    https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/

    Many of them are so awful that I wouldn’t consume them if you paid me.
    ____

    A sane government policy would be concerned with substances that have a huge knife edge risk between “a dose” and “a potentially lethal overdose” (e.g. fentanyl).

    I chugged a bottle of cough suppressant [DMX] when I was sick, desperate, and sleep deprived. [A] It sucked, badly, Mega Hoover, … I will never make that mistake again. [B] I was never anywhere near a dangerous overdose. I learned my lesson with 0% government input.

    I know this will sound crazy but — Adults should be responsible for their choices…..

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @cohen
  17. Hey Fred, have you ever heard of the free market?
    I am all cash, all the time. If you create a tyrannical-monopoly payment system at retail-pos then I pay a tax of 5% to whoever will hide my transaction and/or I trade whiskey or metals.

    Stop sucking up to Big Jew Fred. We should all accept freedom and stop the ‘what about the children crap’. You want to solve a social ill? Go to the source: demand dna citizenship for America and the West.
    An all white society would solve 90% of all social problems.

  18. We seem to be using the Royal We.

  19. Jokem says:

    This won’t work Fred.

    Drug dealers will switch to Electronic money transfers via Swiss Banks, offshore accounts, Krugerrands, etc.

  20. What he writes is true, but eliminating cash would be blocked by those who evade billions of dollars in taxes and engage in other illegal operations, like bribery. An easier step would eliminate the $50 and $100 bills. A roll of 20s is all most people need who prefer cash, but for big time cash transactions this would require moving and counting five times more cash in suitcases. Or go for all coins, like a $20 coin. That would be a money laundering nightmare.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  21. Biff says:
    @anonymouseperson

    Why not just legalize drugs?

    Bam!

  22. Franz says:

    Look up “Joshua Warren, American Anarchist”.

    He was a peaceful social reformer who came up with the original “Time Store” where all things are valued in terms of how many hours it took to create and are swapped for things that are equal in temporal sweat equity. This system has been used, legally and successfully, in various parts of the world when money is tight.

    You can be sure there will be apps to get around the currency apps and trade in things in exactly the way Warren’s Time Store told legal money to go blow. And no one got hurt and no serious market was interrupted — or even affected, like dope.

    Take into account human ingenuity. Always. The Chinese got a system? Fine, that means other Chinese already have ways to beat it.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  23. MadFiddler says: • Website

    I love your optimism.
    When was the Real Fred Reed Replaced?

    Seriously, my career in arcade & egames, broadcast entertainment & secret gummint work introduced me to a fair number of folks who know a LOT more about computers and communications than do I.

    Conversations and observations often showed me how quickly and effortlessly EE folks in the games industry – a surprising number of whom had previously worked for DD and DARPA – were able to penetrate the alleged security of various systems when the need (or desire) arose.

    Leading me to anticipate…
    Digital currency will likely have a thriving digital diddling.

  24. Pheasant says:

    Overnight?

    Disband the CIA

    • LOL: Sulu
  25. meamjojo says:

    What effects would it have? Many and astonishing. A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight. At street level, every speedball sold would be paid for by the addict to the corner dealer, with the time, place, amount, buyer, and seller being recorded.

    Not a chance. There will be so much data flowing through a fully enabled system like this that no one will be able to pay any attention to individual transactions. Of course, the data will be more available if you become the focus of a particular investigation. Perhaps when real AI’s arrive, this could be made to work.

    And there will be all sorts of ways to evade anyway. People will buy other digital currency, like Bitcoin. They may know that you brought some Bitcoin at some point but they don’t know who you paid it to or for what. Or people will buy digital currencies from another country and trade with those.

    So they would have to ban all other digital currencies, which isn’t going to happen but if it did, then they would trade using something else of value, such as pieces of gold.

    This just off the top of my head w/o any real thought.

  26. meamjojo says:

    Visa and your bank record every purchase you make with a credit card, time, place and amount

    Yes, BUT they don’t know WHAT you are buying.

    • Replies: @J. Dart
  27. I think the biggest point here is that Fred is right in that, regardless of what we might want, the people running the show want this, so it shall be. Barter is, of course, an option. So are other things. He also acknowledged the dangers inherent in it (though, as pointed out…the dangers are more a continuation of what already is, rather than an innovation).

    Anyhow, look into crypto, keep your material value pieces ready (metals, ammo, land, crops, and other hard goods), and be ready to be handed a biometric ID and a digital greenback.

    Doesn’t mean the system will be flawless, good, or eternal. It just is and will be.

    A smart call for other countries though, having a digital currency, where external enemies (US government \IMF) are a bigger concern for their people than their governments in question.

  28. anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s a better idea than legalize drugs that #21 anonymous person said above. Legalize or better yet decriminalize prostitution between consenting adults. Note that I still think prostitution involving minors is still wrong as they can not give consent like adults do. Slavery of any kind to include prostitution is also wrong. Prostitution causes less damage than drugs and alcohol or even tobacco when it is not enforced or better legalized or best of all decriminalized, and it also makes men less violent on average. When I lived in South Korea drugs were harder and more expensive to come by and prostitution was more rampant than my own country, United States of America, and this contributed to their lower crime rate. Possessing illegal drugs got suspects into a lot more trouble in South Korea than the USA but prostitution prohibition laws were less vigorously enforced in South Korea than the USA 20 years ago. Most prostitutes, bothwomen and men, are not enslaved and volunteer to be whores. doclove

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  29. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:

    Where to start with this deranged idea?

    “Whatever do you mean officer/auditor? Drugs?! No! I was paying for sexual services!”

    OR

    “Yes, I remember that, I bought some marijuana, which is legal in this state.”

    OR (and this is the simplest one)

    “No, officer/auditor! I was paying for INFORMATION about where I could buy drugs.”

    OR

    “I ain’ deal no drugs! Someone stole muh phone!”

    And who’s going to pay for the iPhones for the homeless people or the “immigrants”?

    @carlton meyer:

    An easier step would eliminate the $50 and $100 bills. A roll of 20s is all most people need who prefer cash, but for big time cash transactions this would require moving and counting five times more cash in suitcases.

    That’s just idiotic. They already eliminated the $500,000 bill. You can put several hundred thousand dollars in a hipster backpack (each wrapped stack of 20s is $1,000). For really big amounts you just hand over a car after filling the trunk with money. In duffelbags.

    You see it in the headlines, you hear it every day
    They say they’re gonna stop it but it doesn’t go away
    They move it through Miami, sell it in L.A.
    They hide it up in Telluride, I mean it’s here to stay

    But as someone else said, the problem is the illegality not the drugs.

    • Agree: E_Perez
  30. tosca says:

    Hello. You forget that a coin has two sides. The other side of coinlessness is what was called ‘the civil death’ in France and Belgium during the 19th century. One convicted was not physically executed but was considered dead. His wife was a widow, his children were orphans, and his belongings were given to his heirds. Soon, one will be declared civil and socially dead by the efffect of a single click. And, most important and frightening, there will no need of a judiciary sentence, it will be a ‘private’ matter. The GAFA will unilaterally and without any cotrol decide who will live and who will socially die. That will happen in a very near future and is called slavery. Happy to be 77 . Cheers.

  31. Renoman says:

    I find Fred Brilliant! go Fred.

  32. Alfred says:

    What makes the writer think that people won’t create their own currencies, digital or tangible?

    This is an unpleasantly naive article. Written by the sort of person who believed in 9/11, War on Drugs, War on Terrorism. War on Poverty and similar nonsense.

    • Agree: Sulu
  33. Tulip says:

    How to eliminate the drug trade? Find another way that the CIA can fund insurgencies off the books in foreign lands.

  34. The push for CBDC by every nation is a logical next step because the technology is there to support it. It will happen. However, what they’re digitizing is their fiat currency that is losing value day after day, year after year. In essence, they’re putting lipstick on a pig.

    CBDC’s are an attempt to gain CONTROL. The underlying currency isn’t worth spit as time progresses in terms of purchasing power. TPTsB want to gain control over all our lives BEFORE the currencies all hyper inflate.

    What Fred has outlined makes perfect sense. What he’s failed to mention is the downside from a US gov’t that has a babbling idiot as president and corporations that censor and cancel people as they please. Once they can also control our accumulated wealth, does anyone think they won’t come up with reasons or even laws that will lock people out of their own funds? The current call for Covid passports to segregate people that may board planes to travel from those too dirty to be allowed to do so is but one manifestation of the trend to attempt to isolate political, social, intellectual, etc opponents.

    The CBDC’s will all fail when their underlying currencies fail. It’s just a step in between to gain some additional control for how the failure will be directed.

  35. Every transaction Fred? Ever heard of barter? Methinks there would b an explosion of barter if physical cash were to go the way of the dodo.

  36. George Carlin once suggested a way to eliminate the drug trade. Send some special forces into Mexico or Colombia and kidnap a few drug kingpins. Then nail them to crosses on live TV.

    • Replies: @Pepe the Frog
  37. Would the politicians actually want to eliminate the drug trade? A drugged population is easier to control. Why else were liquor stores and pot stores deemed “essential” and kept open during the lockdowns?

  38. MPSR105 says:

    Fred, you are naive. To imagine that a shadow economy, not just drugs, that may exceed $ 1 trillion dollars will give up because the Fed goes to digital currency is at the least naive. The shadow economy is big enough to start it’s own currency, digital or otherwise. To name a few of the shadow economy in my area: hair dressers, barbers, yard crews, small builders, lectricians, house cleaners, excavators, pickers, private security, wait staff, arborists, general labor, drug dealers, prostitutes, my children, my grandchildren and sometimes government bribes. They are as capable of setting up their own blockchain or other so-called unbreakable digital code. There is always gold, silver and platinum or any currency the shadow knows.

    • Agree: Gordon K. Shumway
  39. Rich says:

    Bodega, delis, candy stores, restaurants, all kinds of Potemkin businesses would be set up to continue illegal activity. How does Fred think illegal profits are laundered now? Digital currency, like gun control, will only apply to the law-abiding.

    • Agree: gar manar nar, Bro43rd
  40. botazefa says:

    Fred, cash will not go away. Not anywhere in the West. Why? Well, obviously the drug and human trafficking trade is part of the oligarchic plutocracy. Hell, even Reagan got involved.

    The idea that drug traffickers are dirty Mexicans run by smarter dirtier Mexicans is absurd. The efficiency and longevity of the illicit drug trade is prima facia evidence that it is a beloved member of the oligarchy.

  41. Uncle Al says: • Website

    1) The government is not honest.
    2) The courts are not honest.
    3) Nothing changes.

    Therefore,

    1) Legalize all recreational pharmaceuticals.
    2) Zero interference in their vendings by any agents.
    3) Prohibit all medical intervention re overdoses.

    See? No surcharges for record keeping. 30 days should do it.

  42. DocDictum says: • Website

    I strongly disagree. If you want the government analyzing your every move, then fine. I do not. Further, I have no doubt this idea would be compromised as with so many of our existing electronic payments in today’s world. The resourceful druggies would find alternate means to market their products anyway, for there is far too much money involved here to just walk away.

    • Replies: @Biff
  43. J. Dart says:
    @meamjojo

    Yes, BUT they don’t know WHAT you are buying.

    For now.

    On the backend Visa & Mastercard already have all the infrastructure for receiving the information about what you’re buying. It’s one of the pieces of data that a business has to send to qualify for Level 3 Credit Card Processing, which is already very widespread in business-to-business transactions. In exchange for all the extra data, the credit card company shaves a few tenths of a percent off the interchange rates (the fee they charge the merchant for processing the credit card).

    Dunno when it’ll start showing up in business-to-consumer transactions but I won’t be surprised when it happens.

  44. Rich says:
    @anonymouseperson

    Have you seen what happens to people who become addicted to drugs? The degradation and pain they suffer? The suffering of their families and friends? Often forced into criminality in order to get funds to score drugs, they become a menace to civilized people. Drugs destroy minds, hope and health. They are a menace in any society and legalizing them will lead to more using them and more destroyed lives.

    • Agree: ruralguy
    • Disagree: Biff
    • Troll: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @ruralguy
    , @Bro43rd
    , @Dumbo
  45. Fred, you should have titled this column, “Why GovCo Will Never Adopt Digital Currency”. To do so would mean the end of the Criminal Justice System. Currently it spends most of its time going after vice law breakers. To end the black-market would mean they would have no work.

    You, of all people, should have learned years ago that the Criminal Justice System is about criminals or justice, it’s ALL about The System.

  46. TG says:

    And on the note of being careful what you wish for: if you could somehow eliminate the drug trade, what would all those newly unemployed Mexican and Colombian drug gang members do? Just quietly go home and be miserably poor? I don’t think so. They would turn to piracy and kidnapping, count on that. And we might miss the drug trade, which among other things is a subsidy to a whole lot of poor people south of the border.

    I’d rather we not have a drug problem, but I would prefer that to my daughter being kidnapped.

    There aren’t many drugs coming from Canada, because (at least for now) most Canadians have better ways to earn a living. The best way to not have had a drug problem would have been for the Mexican elites to have not crushed the working class into the dirt, but then, where would be the profit in that?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  47. KenH says:
    @The Alarmist

    Yes, they will be reported, but the new 28th amendment that no black offender can be arrested for anything will apply.

    Or the 29th amendment that any third world individuals can enter America at any time for any reason and won’t be subject to arrest and deportation.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  48. ruralguy says:

    20% of existing Bitcoins are either lost or stranded, permanently. With my Visa card, I get 1-3% cash back and credit to make purchases, while my money is parked in investments.

  49. @The Alarmist

    I’m sure someone will think of cutting off heads and hands of White devils to unlock their phones to pay for things

    yeah, no, false alarm, it’s not like in the movies . . the scanners make sure that the subject is alive . . you’re aware that a “fitbit” can measure blood oxygen, pulse, etc. . . it’s like that

    https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/fitbit-inspire-2

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  50. Corrupt says:

    “Another effect would be that the (encrypted) digital currency of one country would be independent of and opaque to other countries and thus secure against foreign (read American) meddling. This has begun to worry Washington. The city seems to have noted that China could pay Iran for oil in digital yuan, circumventing American sanctions. Many countries would like to get themselves out from under the American financial boot.”

    Which is why the U.S. government WON’T go to a digital currency. There are too many dollars out there to put them back in the bottle.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  51. Fuck off Fred. Check yourself, you’re turning to Jello.

  52. If there exists a single stable country which continues to use paper money, their bills will be used worldwide.

  53. All this security technology that’s been put in place to supposedly make our lives safer has just made it more of a hassle and raised our stress levels. Security checks to prevent hijackers from taking planes to Cuba in the 1970’s have evolved multiple levels of security hassles which are now more for big government to demonstrate it’s muscle more than anything else. The multiple levels of security we now need to get onto things as simple as our bank accounts online have not stopped hackers. They always find new ways around every new level of security. It is now a nightmare to try and go into things such as simple as employment websites or simply checking your email at work or home. It will be the same if we go to a totally digital money system which we already have in many respects. If we are forced to go completely digital, drug dealers will simply switch to something else. If there’s money to be made, there will always be smart people willing to figure out ways of circumventing the system. Every time they make any system “more secure” it just creates more stress for the average joe and doesn’t solve the problem. Best to keep paper money as something to fall back on because when the electronic system goes down, no transactions can be made. I don’t think we should be following China on this one.

  54. @anonymous

    ” Prostitution causes less damage than drugs and alcohol or even tobacco when it is not enforced or better legalized or best of all decriminalized, and it also makes men less violent on average. When I lived in South Korea drugs were harder and more expensive to come by and prostitution was more rampant than my own country, United States of America, and this contributed to their lower crime rate.”

    Going to prostitutes makes supposedly makes men less violent than average, I don’t think it makes any difference. Violent men are always going to be violent unless they are taught a lesson using violence by another man who is bigger and stronger than them.

    Korea has lower crime rate than the US because it’s inhabited mostly by Koreans. If you brought in ten million Negroes and Mestizos, the crime rate would explode to American levels.

    • Replies: @doclove
  55. @KenH

    That Amendment is SO importanté that it is known on the UR as the Zeroth Amendment.

  56. @gar manar nar

    Gee, I didn’t think I actually needed to include a sarc tag, but uh … okay.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  57. @TG

    They’re already in the avocado business. Really. Check it out.

    The drug cartels will go after anything they can lay their hands on and has a high profit margin.

  58. @Corrupt

    This is why the US will turn inward.

    They know they’re losing their empire and will instead turn against the US population. The impulse to be a totalitarian state is strong already, given all the bullshit laws since 9/11. Next will come laws that make other ordinary things criminal, such as visiting the wrong web site, having the wrong attitude when your friendly cop pulls you over for some made up crime like speeding, air freshener hanging from the mirror, etc.

    Count on it.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Reaper
  59. @RoatanBill

    It’s not just the US.
    One of the things about the covid scam is the unity of approach in just about the entire West (read White) . Everyone has instituted authoritarianism to a degree that only 18 months ago would have been inconceivable.
    Canada has, apparently, just banned camping.
    Spain has mandated mask-wearing while swimming in the sea.

    The oligarchs through their political filth, really are going for the whole thing this time.
    Feudalism does not require money, you owe your Lord your labor. You will own nothing, any significant activity will be by sufferance revocable at will.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  60. ruralguy says:
    @Rich

    Excellent post, Rich. I saw that destruction and witnessed the despair of fathers and mothers who were unable to do anything when their child sunk into that path, as the owner of a low-income apartment complex. I especially remember one mother who lost her only child, a bright and cheerful girl who ended up selling herself for drug money, then losing her liver and life to Hepatitis.

  61. @Bill Jones

    TPTsB will attempt to do their worst, but I don’t think they’ll succeed. The economy won’t last long enough for them to institute all their plans. Some event will cause a cascade of failures and then the Dollar is finished. As goes the Dollar, so goes the Fed Gov.

    Given the attitude the Chinese delegation showed in Alaska, they are no longer in a mood to be polite. Their Iran deal so shortly after that meeting is a direct slap in the US’s face. They are no longer going to be reserved in their actions.

    Their digital Yuan is starting up. They just increased their gold purchases. They already have gold convertibility as part of their oil market contracts. It’s just a matter of time before they back their Yuan, at least fractionally, with gold. The entire world will then know the Dollar’s reserve currency standing just died. Game set and match.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  62. Jokem says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Read what I said in item 19.

  63. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    This wont work because the time it takes to create something is not directly tired to it’s value.

    i.e. I can figure out how to sweat and solder a water pipe, a plumber can do it in less time.
    Does that mean the plumbers efforts are worth less than mine?

    • Replies: @Franz
  64. “What effects would it have? Many and astonishing. A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight.”

    Yes, a universal digital currency could temporarily inconvenience street-level business. But, it would have zero impact upstream on the biggest of drug traders: the world’s governments & their elites, all of whom are above any law.

    • Agree: Gordon K. Shumway
  65. Biff says:
    @DocDictum

    If you want the government analyzing your every move,

    Just like now?

  66. E_Perez says:

    That’s the most stupid reasoning I ever read from Mr. Reed (and I read some):

    Because some idiots – knowing perfectly well where drugging leads – prefer to ruin their lives, we have to give up our freedom and accept complete control about our financial transactions.

    And the digital money proposal does not even guarantee to eliminate drug trade.

    As has been said by previous commenters, the only way to completely eradicate drug trade, save billions on useless drug control, save thousands of innocent lives and incarcerations, is legalizing drugs, but penalizing severely crimes under drug influence. More or less like driving under alcohol.

    After all, everyone has the right to kill himself how he wants.

    Drug production is so cheap that – once legalized – the dealer chains and associated crime will collapse – a lesson, we could have learned from prohibition 100 years ago.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Jokem, Rex Little
    • Replies: @snuffy
    , @Reaper
    , @John Johnson
  67. snuffy says:

    Eliminate the drug trade? When pretty much every regime in the world profits from it? Including the ones run by the same folks running the one in power currently in the US? Mexico? Most of S. America, and Europe? China? No, no one wants to eliminate the drug trade, when allowing it to flourish keeps most of the sheep docile, and puts money in their coffers. No, if “they” wanted to pretty much eliminate the drug trade, make 1st offense possession of more than 10 grams of any federally illegal drug(marijuana) automatic 10 years hard labor, second offense, death. Possession of any quantity of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, psychedelics or any artificially produced drug such as ecstasy, or fentanyl or any analog, death penalty. Not just sale, possession. That ship has sailed. In a few years, most states will follow the lead of Oregon and decriminalize all drug use so as to keep the drones in a drug induced stupor, when it becomes clear that for many, the sportsball circuses are just not cutting it anymore

  68. snuffy says:
    @E_Perez

    When you say “legalized”, you have to define that by removing government oversight and taxation, otherwise, as is currently the case with marijuana, the black market will flourish, because it’s cheaper because it’s untaxed, and there will always be someone looking to take by force what they are unwilling to pay for.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  69. Lagertha says:
    @The Alarmist

    well, for narcissists like you, we all needed to get ready for your know-it-all bs

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  70. Franz says:
    @Jokem

    This wont work because the time it takes to create something is not directly tired to it’s value.

    Connecticut tried it in a limited way and just used a type of script. An appraiser determines the time allotted and the script breaks it into convenient amounts for anything you might want.

    It’s worked locally as an appendage to barter. Higher than that would demand something like crypto. Between the two you could cut out the humongous expensive middleman, at least in theory.

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @Andy Horton
  71. Reaper says:

    Was quite some time since I did read (well was capable just the first part) fantasy.

    Idealistic fantasy.
    End of drugs, end of crime, end of corruption and a big happy utopia for the consumer.
    Off course done in overnight with some magic pill – not the red one for sure.
    Come on! 🙂

  72. Reaper says:
    @E_Perez

    “but penalizing severely crimes under drug influence. More or less like driving under alcohol.”

    Really?
    How can compare a guy, who did drink 3 beers and reacts one seconds later which lead to an accident to someone who is a drug addict and ruins not just his/ her lives, but many around them?
    Plus healthcare costs, social safety nets, public spaces (wastes/ crackhouses, homelessness), get pregnant and have a retard, etc…
    There are far more than just de facto crime.
    Not even an alcoholic that severe as a junkie.

    [MORE]

    “a lesson, we could have learned from prohibition 100 years ago. ”

    Or what we can learned from Mao who broke the after effectst of opium wars/ troubles:

    Kill all who:
    Produce, store, smuggle, sell, or use it.
    Also prosecute the ones who failed to report any of the above ones, or even family members who failed to discover it.

    In short eliminate:
    – production
    – supply
    – demand base

    Untill any of the 3 exists there will be (illegal) drugs.

    Once there was an interview with a top Interpol guy.
    He was not politically correct, but instead logical:
    Untill we cannot convince the 5-20% percent of the population (depending on country) to NOT use drugs – legal or illegal – there will be always drugs.

    Many simple have a drug user personality.
    Even if never used anything illegal.
    What is a painkiller for temporal use for one, used as a drug by another, what is an unwanted prescription for one, the desired legal drug for another.
    Who have a drug user personality will use drugs legal or illegal.

    The only solution is to eliminate the demand base for the “legal” meds/ Amsterdam shop products/ “not jet on druglist” goods also.
    Not just the illegal ones problematic.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  73. Reaper says:
    @RoatanBill

    “Next will come laws that make other ordinary things criminal, such as visiting the wrong web site, having the wrong attitude when your friendly cop pulls you over for some made up crime”

    Next?

    This is the law and order definition.
    This is the very core of any so called democracy/ modern state: extensive legalization.
    And off course there is the police/ similars, who are not after criminals/ moral values, BUT: enforce the law. Also the “model citizens” who keep the law, no matter what is the law. 😛

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  74. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Fred needs a solution to a problem:


    [MORE]

  75. Jimn says:

    This came off as “ah, whatever, it’s all going to be fine, now back to sleep”.

  76. Bro43rd says:
    @Rich

    Decriminalization does work, Portugal is an example. Decriminalization there led to lower drug use & the crime usually associated with it. It’s the black market that results from criminalizing behavior that does the damage. If society would put the same effort towards rehabilitation as is directed at criminalizing behavior, real headway could be realized.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  77. @Lagertha

    Ron needs to add a “Takes one to know one” button.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  78. BuelahMan says:

    Uncle Fred is not only blind, he is stupid.

  79. People will clamour for Fred’s currency scheme as soon as nigger saints’ faces are on every piece of paper and tin currency in circulation.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  80. Money was invented by traders. As soon as the parasites called government outlaw cash or mandate a digital currency, traders will invent a new private money to use for illicit trades. Perhaps silver or gold, perhaps something else – they will figure it out.

    The joke of government only works on the obedient. The disobedient invent a way around.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  81. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred’s idea that a cashless society would eliminate the drug trade reminds e of an idea from the early part of this century. The proposal was to eliminate the $100 bill, since most drug trafficking was done in $100 bills.

  82. @RoatanBill

    I agree that the dollar is the key to the Empire’s collapse – it was of course the key tool in its expansion.

    A Gold backed replacement would be great, even if Chinese, but I think there’s an global crypto being proposed by the BIS that kicks the can down the road for a little,

  83. Piglet says:

    The government, the banking industry and corporations are dependent upon the money the drug trade generates, and as long as people want drugs they’ll find ways to pay for them.

    This article is very enlightening. Read it and you’ll never look at the business the same way again.

    Catherine Austin-Fitts’ Guide to Narco Dollars
    https://www.ratical.com/co-globalize/narcoDollars.pdf

  84. @Bro43rd

    Decriminalization does work, Portugal is an example. Decriminalization there led to lower drug use & the crime usually associated with it. It’s the black market that results from criminalizing behavior that does the damage.

    It didn’t work in SF.

    You won’t go to jail for possession of heroin in SF while crime and overdoses have increased there.

    The real solution is to send dealers to work camps. People will stop selling drugs if the risk is 5 years of hard labor.

    China and Singapore got rid of their drug problems by cracking down on dealers which libertarians tell us is impossible. In fact it’s highly insulting that libertarians tell us we have no choice but to live with drugs when Asians already solved their drug problem decades ago.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  85. @E_Perez

    Drug production is so cheap that – once legalized – the dealer chains and associated crime will collapse – a lesson, we could have learned from prohibition 100 years ago.

    If you legalized all drugs the corps would not only make them cheap but create new drugs that are even more addictive. A libertarian paradise! Now just bring in the third world immigrants to come and replace the addicted and indolent natives.

    It’s truly sad that so many have bought into the Alisa Rosenbaum cult. The whole thing is based on race denial that Alisa danced around (race doesn’t exist so open the borders but Israel can control their borders cause that’s different).

    If we can eradicate our modern cults of liberalism and libertarianism we would have no problem solving problems like drugs. These cults distort the mind with their promises of utopia while encouraging irrational thinking.

  86. Dear Idiota Estupida (aka Fred Reed):

    Here’s how you eliminate the drug trade overnight.

    You LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!

    You don’t introduce digital money, you moron.

    Legalize all drugs and that means no insane rules and organizations like many states have for marijuana (e.g., California, Nevada, Colorado, Washington). That means just legalize them.

    That immediately defunds all the cartels in Guadalajara, Fred. You should be pushing for that.

    Adios, KooKo.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  87. doclove says:
    @Joe Paluka

    I agree that statistics bear out that there are less convicted criminals especially less violent criminals who are Asian than White in the USA. The same could be said that there are less convicted criminals who are White than Mestizo( or mulatto Latin Americans) especially violent criminals. There are also less Mestizo( Or Mullatto Latin American) convicted criminals especially violent criminals than Blacks. American FBI statistics bear the previous sentences I wrote in this paragraph out.

    However , Rhode Island accidently decriminalized prostitution except for street walkers and soliciting on public grounds or land in 1980. There was no law against internet advertising, and the internet had become very common to have since 2000 after starting in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Despite Rhode Island going from over 95% White in 1960 to around 75% White in 2010and the Mestizos( and Mulatto Latin Americans) and Blacks going from under 5% of the population to over 15% of the population in 2010, the forcible rape rate declined by at least 30% and the female gonorea rate declined by at least 40% between 2000 and 2009. Prostitution inside one’s home or hotel room was legal in Rhode Island until 2009. The forcible rape rate went up after 2009. It seems the correlation of men soliciting prostitutes on the internet and go to prostitutes places of business without successful interference or arrest by law enforcement people such as police officers, district attorneys and judges etc. lowered the rape rate and gonorea rate, and this is a fact. I realize that cause and effect may or may not be correlation, but it is my firm opinion that prostitution reduces violence especially forcible rape. If you do not believe me google Rhode Island Statistics for demographics, forcible rape and prostitution laws. I might be able to provide links, but it would be best for you to google it. Do you have any more questions or comments?
    doclove

  88. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Mr. Lassiter, that’s a point that Peak Stupidity made in “Tubmania and a cashless economy”. Making the paper bills loathsome may be part of someone’s bright idea to go cashless, or it’ll just have that effect.

    I hate to see the twenties go bye-bye (at least for me), but then a 20 is the new 5 of about the year 2000, so I suppose by the end of this or the next decade, the Benjamin will be the new 20. I hope Mr. Franklin will not be replaced by some worthless piece of diversity.

    And then there’s real money, cough, … gold, cough cough, silver .. cough…

  89. Escher says:
    @si1ver1ock

    Yup. Wonder what’s happening to the investigation into Epstein’s sordid shenanigans?

    • Replies: @profnasty
  90. Jokem says:
    @snuffy

    There is always going to be a black market. What makes the black market flourish is when that is the only way to obtain specific items.

  91. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    Insurance companies do this, for things like vehicle warranties and medical procedures.
    It is kind of complex because each procedure has to be defined and assigned a code.
    Works well until new procedures are needed.

    • Agree: Franz
  92. Jokem says:
    @Reaper

    It is a matter of scale.

    What you are missing is how the price of drugs are driven up due to the illegality. Criminal acts are then necessary to obtain the money to purchase them.

    Illegality also encourages use of diseased needles, contaminated narcotics, etc. magnifying the already unhealthy practice of drug addition.

    Killing the drug dealers will not solve the problem unless we do like Mao did and become a closed society. That would have been an effective way of enforcing prohibition also, if you are willing to sacrifice liberty.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  93. Fred hits on a lot of the selling points for digital currency. Sounds almost like he’s trying to sell the idea. I just have to remind myself that he is just a realist with a gift for laying things out.

  94. @Achmed E. Newman

    Broadcast TV watching over the air can’t be surveilled. EVERYTHING on the internet is.

  95. @Fran Macadam

    Miss Macadam, I don’t know if you mean REAL broadcast TV, as in, over the air, or cable here. Yes, who receives the FM TV signal is not know, but who do you know who watches TV off the air these days? Last time we did was just a small bit about 10 years back when my wife got me to put a digital antenna on the chimney. We got 5 additional channels of radar weather, yea! Haha. (I don’t count this as TV watching, as it was just an experiment, and that cable to the chimney has been broken and swinging in the breeze for some time now…)

    As for cable, I’m sure there are plenty of ways that that Comcast or whoever, at the Feral Gov’t’s behest can get data on which channels were being watched. (That cable box is not just a “dumb” digital tuner anymore.) It’s slightly off my point here, but if you pay for cable TV, you are supporting the efforts of the ctrl-left.

    All that said, by far the most important piece of iEspionage (scroll down) is the smart phones that most of us have. I anyone thinks that camera can only take pictures when you hear that “shutter click” or video when we tell it to, then he knows nothing about computers. I have one of these now, after spending years without one. I could go back. The solution here is simple Faraday cages, lens blockers*, but as for the sound recording, I am not sure how to handle that. There is no mic jack to ground out or provide other input to, on some of these, so how do you prevent it from recording?

    Finally, to your question about the internet reading data: There are VPN’s, Tor browser, that sort of thing, but I really don’t know enough about all that. Yes, in the near future, Big Brother can get you on your web browsing, but to me the phone payment cashless society (as in today’s China) is well, more Biblical to me.

    PS: I really wish I’d picked a better title, but for more on the way the iCrap can spy on us all, please see Peak Stupidity‘s post “Big Brother is Watching You, just to port of your asshole”.

    .

    * Right now, the device I am typing this on has electrical tape on the cameras, front an back. It’s the poor man’s anti-iEspionage.

  96. @Fran Macadam

    Ooops, you wrote right there “over the air”. I apologize for missing that in the only sentence you wrote, Fran. Anyway, you’re right, but then, do you watch over-the-air TV? Good on you, but most people have gone much more electronic for TV.

  97. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    You LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!

    If you say so….
    Last year Legal MJ took in $30Million….
    Illegal Sales $60Milllion….

    Taxes have driven prices to a point, legal sales suffer…..
    Can hardly wait to see what Biden’s Tax increases do /s

  98. You make my point.

    These stupid states over-regulate (I don’t think the taxing is the problem, it’s all of the regs) and so the black market continues on.

    And they have just legalized MJ in Mexico but are now arguing incessantly about the regulations they are going to do or not do, which ones.

    That is NOT legalizing drugs. Stop with all the regs!

    And of course, obviously legalizing just MJ is not going to really do a thing. There’s still meth, fentanyl, cocaine, etc., etc., etc.

    The War on Drugs is a failed war. And it was just about 100 years ago that heroin was made illegal. In other words, all drugs were legal a short time ago for thousands of years.

    The 20s alcohol prohibition, which saw the rise of the gangsters, wasn’t enough of a lesson to these idiots, so now the cartels should be.

    Again the answer is not Big Brother money as deluded Freddy crows from his platform. It’s legalization. Do it. Do it today. Do it yesterday. And get rid of all of the retarded regs.

    Here’s a simple test of regulations: is there still a black market for the legalized drug in your state/country? Remove more regulations until there isn’t a black market any longer. Keep removing them. Do it. Do it yesterday.

    And get over the idea that Big Brother money is, in any way, a good thing.

    • Agree: Jokem
    • Replies: @Gordon K. Shumway
    , @Jokem
  99. @restless94110

    Before 1913, heroin and cocaine could be bought, pure, without prescription, by anyone. And guess what? Most people did not buy them. Like today, some people ruined their lives with those drugs, but they didn’t commit crimes to support their habits, and didn’t get infectious diseases from dirty needles, so they weren’t the tax burden they are today.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  100. @Gordon K. Shumway

    Exactly.

    But there were many physicians that prescribed opium/heroin/morphine for their patients, there were many in the Chinese community who partook, and there were many who bought the patent medicines full of opiates for a variety of ills, imagined or real, it didn’t matter.

    In fact, nothing mattered. I was told 50 years ago by an ex-con that he knew of all ranks in society who were managing their heroin use. It can be done.

    When it was legal there was no need to commit crimes to get it. And it could be managed if that’s the way you wanted to go.

    Coca-Cola was full of cocaine.

    This failed 100-year experiment in temperance must be buried in an unmarked grave forever.

    The solution is not ever more restrictions (a la Fred). It is the opposite. Go back to the history of humankind. Remove all strictures. Do it now. Do it today. Do it yesterday.

    • Replies: @Resartus
    , @Mark Hunter
    , @Jokem
  101. Resartus says:

    The War on Drugs is a failed war.

    You can’t win a war without shedding lots of blood….
    Drug War did just the opposite….

    It needed less “Shock and Awe” to cowl the drug crowd
    and more Dresden to burn the drug trade to the ground…..

  102. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    When it was legal there was no need to commit crimes to get it. And it could be managed if that’s the way you wanted to go.

    No one paid Federal Income Taxes either…..
    Times change, people change etc etc etc……

    People were committing crimes to buy bread and other things to survive…
    No doubt when addicted they committed crimes to support that also…..

  103. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @restless94110

    Thomas Edison was fond of Vin Mariani, a Bordeaux wine treated (in the U.S. before bottling) with an extract from coca leaves.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  104. @Resartus

    No one paid Federal Income Taxes either…..
    Times change, people change etc etc etc……

    So it looks like it’s time for times to change back to the way it once was. Then we can save billions of dollars on “enforcement” and incarceration costs. We’re done here with the War on Drugs and all the killings in Mexico. Times change. You can change, too.

    People were committing crimes to buy bread and other things to survive…

    They were? Alls I see is they are needing a new TV or some Nikes…..

    Looks to me like you are trivializing for some reason, and attempting to say once you go one way, you can never go back the other way. Tell that to the Prohibition in American history. In 1920 we went one way; in 1932, we went back the other.

    Concentrate, mate. We can do it. You can do it.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  105. @Mark Hunter

    No wonder he invented stuff.

    Where can I get some of that stuff?

  106. @Jokem

    An Expat American in the Philippines Looks Back

    I lived in the Philippines for several years.

    [MORE]

    At one point, I shared a beachside condo with Mike, an American. By this time shabu (Meth) had taken over the Philippines.

    Lily was our landlady, owner of the property. Her husband, a respected preacher, had died. Adolo was her son-late twenties-and he was a scumbag meth dealer.

    Adolo did not use shabu. The neighborhood was littered with young Filipino men hooked on Adolo’s product who stared listlessly up at the sky. Duterte exaggerates to some degree-many Filipinos use shabu everyday for 30 years & they are fine. Others end up fried-and I do mean fried-after a year or so. Every user reacts differently.

    Adolo had a number of teenage boys known as runners in the Philippines who pushed his product on the barangay streets all day. They were so aggressive about it that I went to Adolo & told him to keep his teens off my back because I was not interested in trying shabu.

    As a peace offering, Adolo tried to offer me the two or three drug-ravaged women hanging round his house all day who had become sex workers & his personal sex slaves. I declined.

    On another day when paying my rent, Adolo tried to sell me a stolen motorcycle. His poor addicts stole to support their addiction, his rich ones traded things for shabu. His garage looked like a pawn store.

    Adolo’s mother was a fine decent woman. She would sometimes object to Adolo’s activities. And then Adolo would beat her up.

    Adolo also like young teenage girls. He would induce them to smoke shabu & then seduce/rape them.

    Mike had a beautiful Pil-Am daughter named Alicia. Adolo gave her shabu when she was 15 & then seduced/raped her. Alicia did not become addicted but her brush with the drug made her sullen, rebellious & reactive.

    Mike went to the PNP. A PNP officer who was being paid off by Adolo threatened Mike. Told him that he would go to jail should he not back off Adolo. He did so. Filipino police are horrendously corrupt. Many work as enforcers for drug dealers like Adolo. Or did.

    I left the Philippines in 2013. Three years later Duterte was elected. Adolo was eventually shot along with his supplier in the road outside his house.

    Mike was happy about it.

    As far as legalizing drugs, as a smoker I would say this. Most cigarette smokers do not intend to have a lifelong habit when they first take a drag behind the wall at school. I know I didn’t. But many do.

    So when meth or heroin are legalized, like cigarettes, you’ll have 15% of the population using the drug.

    No matter how inexpensive the drug is, they still won’t have enough money. And 7-11’s selling crack & heroin & meth will be robbed day & night. Addicts will run amok.

    Citizens will see the meth behind the counter & try it. Out of the five that do so, one of them will end up addicted.

    Meth in particular turns users into violent aggressive morons. You can meet a former meth addict 10 years later & they low IQ psychos with no dopamine left whose prefrontal cortex is damaged which means even if they never touch drugs again they still have diminished logic etc. They also develop paranoia, manic-depression & the rest of it.

    • Agree: Badger Down
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  107. I’m surprised as hell no one has mentioned tis, but the government can’t even keep its own prisons cashless. They use tobacco, candy and even mackerel (yes, mackerel, google it) as money. How are they going to keep the whole world cashless?

  108. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    Concentrate, mate. We can do it. You can do it.

    Drugs aren’t my thing, even alcohol….
    So only concentration I need is to control my breathing when the thugs
    enter my house after dark….
    That way my aim is good….

    • Replies: @restless94110
  109. @Resartus

    No one paid Federal Income Taxes either…..
    Times change, people change etc etc etc……

    Ha! You just made Restless in zip 94110’s case for him. Government becomes a huge beast (or is LET TO become one), and that makes times change and people change, all for the worse. No, committing crimes to buy bread was not “a thing”.

    Restless, you made so many good comments, especially #101 and #103, so I won’t address them all. Thank you for the (un)common sense and simple history lesson!

  110. Resartus says:

    Restless, you made so many good comments, especially #101 and #103, so I won’t address them all.

    Yep, no need to spend your time doing cut/paste to just show you agree with someone else’s views….

    No, committing crimes to buy bread was not “a thing”.

    So Train robbers had regular jobs they used to eat……
    Though poor people just stole the Bread, Apples etc etc etc….

  111. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    I will pick a nit here and say there will always be a black market for anything, how big that market is ties to how difficult it is to obtain legally.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  112. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    ‘Coca-Cola was full of cocaine.’

    Hate to pick another nit, but I think 9 mg of cocaine is not ‘full of’.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  113. @Jokem

    Pick this nit:

    How big is the market for black market cigarettes? How about the black market for hard liquor?

    Come on, bud. Use your brain.

    Make things legal without stupid onerous, nonsense regulations? You have a legal market and that’s it.

    • Replies: @Resartus
    , @Jokem
    , @dfordoom
  114. @Resartus

    So you control your breathing only when thugs enter?

    And that is your only criterion for living?

    Okay.

  115. @Jokem

    So you don’t think there was enough cocaine in a bottle of Coke? So that it does not qualify as “full of?”

    Yes, man, you are truly picking nits here.

    When Cocaine was in Coke you got a “feeling” from drinking a bottle of Coke.

    Did you need a lab technician doing an analysis?

    No.

    You just needed to know that when you drank a Coke you got high!!!!!

    But who cares anyway? There was cocaine in Coca Cola. What more do you need to know?

    But the coke back in Coke.No one should care at all if you do.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  116. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    How big is the market for black market cigarettes? How about the black market for hard liquor?

    Plenty now that buying tobacco products is 21…..
    Can’t forget, a guy died being arrested for selling cigarettes on street corner….

    The market for selling alcohol to minors has never dwindled…
    Moonshine is still outlawed in many states….

    But the coke back in Coke.No one should care at all if you do.

    Plenty won’t, since they don’t care for it at all…..
    Fact restraurants/fastfood places are limited to only one brand, forces many who would drink it at, have it….

    • Replies: @restless94110
  117. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    My answer. I don’t know, I don’t smoke and get my booze legally. This is why it is called a “BLACK MARKET” it is unregulated and thus, no statistics are filed.

    There is a difference between outlawing something and regulating it.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  118. @Gordon K. Shumway

    Why go to Mexico? The businessmen there are merely supplying a product demanded by people willing to snatch purses from elderly women and then throw them down a flight of stairs to feed their chosen habits.

    If we are serious about regarding drug addiction and abuse as problems, we need to do what they do in Singapore. They hang everyone caught in possession of drugs. Marijuana or heroin, user or dealer, they do not discriminate. Singapore has no drug problem.

    Leftists have spent the past 30+ years working hard to normalize drug use for the same reason they are trying to normalize every other form of depravity and degeneracy, from transsexualism to public grants for “artists” who put crucifixes in urine. Gramsci said that the duty of the Party Vanguard is to smash social capital wherever they find it, because the masses will not support a revolution that promises to overturn and remake their society unless they find their society so disgusting, dangerous, filthy, hopeless, and ugly that they cannot conceive of a change that would be for the worse.

    • Replies: @Gordon K. Shumway
    , @FvS
  119. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    I claim 9mg is trivial. Don’t know if that is ‘enough’ or not. I claim there needs to be an analysis as to why this stuff was legal long ago and we had a functioning society. I expect any analysis is going to be heavily infected by politics.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  120. PJ London says:
    @Gotta Be Me

    Good Grief!
    Every word is fact fool, you just haven’t woken up to it.
    At a keystroke, DHS can find out every purchase, not just where and how much, but the individual items. Every internet site you have ever visited is permanently on record.
    Every bank transaction for the last 20 years.
    Every email, every sms, everything is kept.
    If in say 3 years time, being informed is prohibited, they will come looking for everyone has has ever visited UNZ.com.

    Licence plate readers, 100,000 cameras with sufficient clarity to use facial recognition.
    Watch on the internet, the police do not need to take IDs or finger prints, they send a cell phone image of your face to the nearest fusion centre and back comes every detail of you from birth.

    Sunshine, you are fuqqed and you don’t even know it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  121. The barter system will find a new resurgence methinks. Tangible stuff never goes out of vogue🍸

  122. @Pepe the Frog

    I always found it curious that selling drugs is a more serious crime than buying them.

  123. @TG

    Disposable credit chips are one answer. Still — cash is freedom.

  124. @Jokem

    Do your own analysis. I’ve done mine. The analysis is in.

    Legalize all drugs. Like they were 100 years ago.

    Making drugs illegal is insane and it doesn’t work. Humans don’t need school marms telling us what is best for us.

    Does anyone find it “interesting” that this all seems to follow the rise of the female in society?

    Is it just a coincidence? What is your analysis?

    • Replies: @Jokem
  125. @PJ London

    I [Agree]d with Mr. Me up top, Mr. London, because I agree that Mr. Reed’s acceptance of all this Orwellian shit is stupid. If Mr. Reed wants to just take it up the ass, let him, but his Sinophilia is misplaced. They will are the most advanced with Big Brother on steroids, and it seems like the people there will fight it less than any real Americans left will over here will.

    I understand and agree with what you wrote above regarding all the ways a government can spy and keep track of “citizens”. There are ways around much of this, but it’s indeed pretty difficult to live one’s life that way. However, we have one big advantage here. The US Feral Gov’t has been employing AA hires and the other incompetents for 50 years now. That’s a good thing. Those fusion centers? Do you think they are staffed by those bright guys that were hunting Jason Bourne in the movies. It’s far from it. The Chinese have evil, but brighter, people in their government. We are lucky here that that is not the case.

    See Peak Stupidity‘s post Apprehending Jason Bourne, we’re the government and we’re all on it, along with Part 2 and Part 3.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  126. @Resartus

    Thanks for proving my point. The only black market is to those who are prohibited from buying ciggies and/or alcohol.

    And the dude died from resisting arrest not from selling cigarettes. Get your facts straight.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  127. @Jokem

    So, you’ve just said some true facts that everyone knows. What was your point?

    My point is you legalize a black market substance and if there is still a black market for that substance then you have over-regulated that substance. In that instance, you would remove more and more regulations on that substance until there is little or no black market for that substance.

    As it is now, with the legalization of pot, in many states the regulations are so crazy restrictive that there still is a black market for pot. There’s too many regs.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  128. PJ London says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It has nothing to do with ‘accepting’ it. It is already here!
    You cannot escape it.
    Every credit card purchase, every bank deposit, every ticket, every enquiry, every website (forget the dark web and the anonymity crap, they do not have to grab URL only, but can capture the actual data that you download at your IP.
    45 years ago !
    Senator Frank Church – who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:
    “The National Security Agency’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A. could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“
    Senator Frank Church

    That was then, imagine what it is now.
    There is no real way to escape it. Small cash purchases only?
    Try booking into a hotel and using cash.
    Try hiring a car and using cash.
    They are catching criminals by using the cameras on Teslas in parking lots for God’s sake.
    Fred does not have Sinophilia, what he has is a view without the stupid ‘USA-USA-USA’ blinkers.
    What he has is a view from outside the system.

    “No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

    Albert Einstein”

    “My wish for you… is that your skeptic-eclectic brain be flooded with the light of truth.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The First Circle

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  129. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    The only black market is to those who are prohibited from buying ciggies and/or alcohol.

    Only partially true….
    You should be a reporter, your stories only cover the data that supports you……..

    And the dude died from resisting arrest not from selling cigarettes. Get your facts straight.

    Because he was illegally selling “Individual” cigarettes…

    You aren’t going to make any point parsing words….

    Maybe you should actually make a point, with an example that actually shows it….

    Moonshine isn’t exactly legal in many places….
    Running Cigarettes and Alcohol across states lines to avoid taxes still happens…

    Then most forget, Obama’s Administration went on a kick to ban home farmers from trading what they grew with their neighbors…. Taxes at Trade Lots etc…..

    You live in a very small bubble, you need to get out more…..

    • Agree: Gordon K. Shumway
    • Replies: @restless94110
  130. @Resartus

    Only partially true….
    You should be a reporter, your stories only cover the data that supports you……..

    What part isn’t true? Any “data” I “cover” is “data” I believe to be true, so, what are you talking about?

    Because he was illegally selling “Individual” cigarettes…

    You aren’t going to make any point parsing words….

    I’m not parsing a thing. It was illegal for him to sell ciggies. That was the law. The law was probably passed as a law because the guys in the stores who run the stores didn’t want a guy on the sidewalk taking their business. It really doesn’t matter why the law was passed, just that it was passed. He was being arrested for violating that law. He resisted his arrest for violating that law. I have no idea what you think I was parsing. Selling individual cigarettes has nothing to do with prohibition laws. You seriously should attempt to come to grips with reality.

    Moonshine isn’t exactly legal in many places….
    Running Cigarettes and Alcohol across states lines to avoid taxes still happens…

    Dude, who cares about moonshine? Moonshine is a tiny tiny market. Running cigs and booze across state lines to avoid state taxes proves my point. Meaning what I have said is indubitably true. When you legalize things? Remove over-regulation. This has obviously been done with cigs and booze. The remaining black markets are tiny and inconsequential.

    Then most forget, Obama’s Administration went on a kick to ban home farmers from trading what they grew with their neighbors…. Taxes at Trade Lots etc….

    Dude, what are you even talking about? Who cares what Obama banned about some mysterious substance that you somehow don’t want to mention? And who are those mysterious most that forgot about it? What if they never even heard about it? There is nothing to forget. Well, I wish we could forgot about Obama, but that’s another story.

    What are you even saying? That there are too many regs? That’s what I’ve been saying. You need to get out more, get some air, oxygen to your brain. Alternative recommendation: get off the anti-depressants, they are clouding your reasoning abilities.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  131. As long as people want drugs, someone will supply them. And will be paid somehow.

  132. @PJ London

    “enquiry”, “hiring a car” OK, thank you for the info. – you’re British. (I know, “PJ London”, duh, but I’d thought it was like Jack London who was an American.) That explains it. You Brits are so damned cowed now that you are indeed accepting the Orwellian Stupidity.

    First of all, you did not address my 2nd major point at all. It’s one thing that there’s loads of spying and data storage going on, but it’s another on who will use this data.

    Regarding my first point, please read what I wrote to Fran Macadam above. You absolutely CAN rent a motel room with cash (nope, not your Bonvoy 4 Seasons or what-have-you). Yes, you would have a hell of a time renting a car. Regarding the internet, you don’t seem to have an imagination to see the ways around the iEspionage for someone who is determined. (It’s not mainly about IP numbers but about the “signatures” that the browsers have due to the very specific versions of plug-ins, etc.)

    Many American, such as myself, use cash for lots of things. There are prepaid cards (yes, bought with cash, and CAREFULLY) and lots of other tricks.

    No, I’m not saying any of this is easy or convenient. It’s just that not all Americans are going to take all this in the ass as you are accepting of. The wise and prepared Americans are forming their own networks and communities. One may read the “prepper” sites to learn, but keep in mind that these are people who, for exactly the reasons you and Fred note, are not up for discussing and displaying how they live all over the internet.

    There are more quotes from Alexander Solzhenitsyn than yours. Here you go:

    And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

    ― Alexander Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

    Now, you and Fred Reed can lie down bend over and think of England and Mexico, respectively.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  133. PJ London says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, from behind a keyboard it is easy to be brave.
    Fred got his in Vietnam, where did you show your courage?
    I am not in London and yes it is a tribute to Jack not my location.
    You have no idea what you are talking about.
    Facial recognition is currently running at +80% matches and anywhere you go, any time you buy anything, the cameras are now sufficiently detailed to give a recognisable picture.
    Computer matched and you will be identified before you can get through the exits.
    Are you in or near the location of your car? Gotcha.
    Did you use a road or toll-bridge? Gotcha.
    Did you walk down a major street? Use a bus station, airport, train? Gotcha.
    Use a credit or debit card anywhere in the USA? Gotcha.
    Your car travelled on a major road?
    The NSA can if they wanted to, identify you from the electric signature of your watch or camera, you don’t have to use the internet to be located. Switch on your laptop or desktop and we have Gotcha.
    Every group in the country has one or more FBI snitches.
    I have actually read the Archipelago and Solz himself recognised the impossibility of violent resistance.
    Chechnya for instance, look how successful they were even with unlimited finance, foreign fighting support and an external base from which to operate.
    An American revolution wouldn’t last a week.
    It always takes an economic collapse to change a society, not a lot of hot air from blowhards.
    It is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
    The government (the real government) knows that there is no external threat to the USA. They know that the left is not a threat. They also know that it is the people who quietly prepare and don’t make a lot of noise are the dangerous ones.
    They have a list of 10 million names for collection and interrogation. All domestic “Extremists”.
    Realists see what is coming down and move off the tracks as they know that the train is not going to stop.
    The major cause of climate change is the hot air from idiots.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  134. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    Who cares what Obama banned about some mysterious substance that you somehow don’t want to mention

    Damn is parsing all you have, certainly thinking isn’t your thing….
    You make it easy to assume you rarely saw a tree, much less climbed or chopped on one…

    No mystery about what people grow…..
    Tomatoes, Peppers, Corn, Green Beans, Peas, Watermelons etc….

    Could get the opinion, you are one of those that don’t believe we need to kill animals for meat…
    “Since they make it in the Grocery Store”…..

    • Troll: restless94110
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  135. @PJ London

    I agree with you on all this part:

    It is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
    The government (the real government) knows that there is no external threat to the USA. They know that the left is not a threat. They also know that it is the people who quietly prepare and don’t make a lot of noise are the dangerous ones.
    They have a list of 10 million names for collection and interrogation. All domestic “Extremists”.
    Realists see what is coming down and move off the tracks as they know that the train is not going to stop.

    You just don’t fricking read a thing I wrote and don’t want to learn a thing. No, Solzhenitsyn did believe in violent resistance, so I guess you didn’t even read that BIG BLOCKQUOTED SECTION at the bottom. You think CSI and Jason Bourne movies are real. That’s not the case, Mr. London.

    Quit being a pussy and quit being lazy. Your bitching and paranoia are not helpful, Limey.*

    .

    * You leave traces with your spelling, but again, I can’t tell if you’re skimming or reading.

    • Replies: @PJ London
  136. @Resartus

    I am not fluent in troll, so I sincerely do not understand a word of your reply. It is gibberish. Good luck.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  137. haole3 says:

    The day they outlaw cash is the day to open a silver and gold shop. Silver coins will be easy to sell and become a second currency.

  138. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    I posted this, I am doing it again.

    https://web.uncg.edu/dcl/courses/viceCrime/m6/Milton%20Friedman%20-%20An%20Open%20Letter%20To%20Bill%20Bennett.htm

    Next time you say ‘Legalize all drugs.’ remember you are preaching to the choir here.

    My analysis is this started when it became popular to stop using reason to make decisions, political or otherwise.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  139. Lagertha says:
    @The Alarmist

    Like he and you are both assholes and liars button? hahhahhahaaa do it, baby, just do it!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  140. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    Not true. Black markets exist for other reasons than what you have stated here. A moments thought would allow you to realize this.

    Pot is not a good example as it is not an addictive substance. Unless there is a medical reason (and there are some which have nothing to do with it psychoactive properties) it is not a good example.
    Addition is what drives crime. I am sure there must be people who commit crimes to get money for pot, but I don’t think it is driven by addiction.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  141. PJ London says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Your bitching and paranoia are not helpful, ” whereas your chest-beating and dick-waving are helpful?
    You have obviously never actually met an Afghan. He is the man who, with only a pair of sandals, a blanket and a 50 year-old rifle has just been kicking your 150,000 overfed asses for the last twenty years.
    He is really tough.
    When his family is destroyed by some coward in Omaha with a $300,000 bomb dropped from a $3,000,000 drone, he kneels down, prays to his god, thanks him for God’s mercy then stands up and will live the rest of his life hating and killing every American and NATO ‘infidel’ that he comes across.
    I do believe in the technology of CSI and Jason Bourne, I have seen it. Not the holographic TV crap but the real technology.
    You fail to realise that every single request for location on every single GPS locator (including your wristwatch, cellphone, car, camera and printer et al.) is recorded and kept for all time.
    They identified every Jan 6 protestor because the idiots took their cellphones with them.
    Every single one of them was video recorded in and out of the building and several times within the building.
    They tracked down every message, tweet, email and comment made about the demonstration and used the idiots own words to create charges of incitement to violence.
    So please tell me mr tough-guy what have you done to stop the descent into chaos in your town?
    How many riots have you stopped?
    How many homicides or rapes or even muggings have you apprehended the perp?
    Yeah, that is what I thought.
    Making comments about people who actually have been in combat shows that you have no clue, no class and no balls.
    Any one of us would happily teach you humility.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  142. @PJ London

    You moron, the Capitol Gang was not up to no good, an INSURRECTION!, riot or anything like that. If these guys had been, it would have gone a different direction. They came there to have fun, and that’s why they didn’t worry about security and anonymity.

    What the heck started you off on this Afghan bit? I have not been to Afghanistan. I have not been a supporter of any war over there or anywhere else since maybe a month or 2 after 9/11. Maybe you have Afghan butt-buddies, but I want nothing to do with them. They can stay there, and I’ll stay here.

    Why would I want to stop a riot or apprehend a perp? We haven’t had any riots where I live. Maybe on the Tellie, from England, it seems the whole country is falling apart, but it’s not that quick a thing. When the US $ is finally seen as the toilet paper it is, the financial SHTF is what’s going to start the real political trouble.

    I’ve kept a guy from getting into our house one night, about 10 years ago, but Americans do it on their own. (My wife had a 911 dispatcher on the line, but after a while she told the lady “never mind”.) No use getting cops involved because they are mostly dumb assholes like yourself.

    Dude, not everyone has the new vehicle with the GPS option, not everyone carries a smart phone everywhere, I don’t have a wristwatch, I don’t carry a camera or printer around (and there are plenty of ways to get the metadata or codes off of graphics). It just sounds like you’ve seen too many movies and believe what they try to convince you – that the people in the government and the military are the smart guys (hahaha!), but it’s exactly the opposite. (Maybe it’s not in China, though.)

    You come off as a deranged old lunatic, Mr. London. I get the feeling you are possibly a government troll yourself, as not many people are really this deluded.

    Like I said, bend over and take it in the ass like Mr. Reed, you pussy.

    • Replies: @anon
  143. @haole3

    The time to get your silver is now, not “the day”, Haole. If nothing else, get what they call “junk silver”, which is anything but junk.

    It’s pre-1965 US dimes, quarters, 1/2 dollars, and dollars. What’s cool about it is the math is easy. The amount of silver, 90% by weight, is 0.72 troy oz in a dollar, and the coin weights are linearly proportional to face value. Therefore, the amount of silver is also linearly proportional to face value. i.e. a silver dime has 1/10 the silver of a silver dollar, a silver quarter has 1/4 the silver of a silver dollar, etc.

    That and the ubiquitous 22LR will make good currency, when their time comes.

    Silver, Bitchez!

    • Agree: haole3
  144. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    I am not fluent in troll, so I sincerely do not understand a word of your reply. It is gibberish. Good luck.

    I accept your surrender……

  145. Message to troll: I didn’t surrender. You stopped making sense. Nothing to say because I have no idea what you are saying.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  146. @Jokem

    Not true. Black markets exist for other reasons than what you have stated here.

    Name one black market that does not supply a prohibited item.

    Pot is not a good example as it is not an addictive substance.

    It is a prohibited substance.. That is the criterion.

    it is not a good example.

    It is or was prohibited and people wanted to use it. Therefore, it is a perfect example.

    Addition is what drives crime.

    No it doesn’t. Making drugs illegal, thus expensive, is what drives some crime, and it always has. Many burglars are heroin junkies trying to get enough ferria for their next fix. They don’t have the money because the drugs are illegal and the price is high. Meanwhile, there are the rich (even judges) who do have the money to buy the illicit drugs and are addicted to them and do not commit crimes.

    Your reasoning is muddled, mate. Make drugs legal and kill the black markets. Don’t over-regulate if you want to succeed.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  147. @Jokem

    Not interested in some post.

    Make your point on your own steam not on some post.

    I am obviously not preaching to the choir since this whole commentary is on an article saying the opposite.

    Your analysis is false. I’ve been saying legalize all drugs for 50 years. Portugal legalized all drugs over 15 years ago.

    The reason was sound reasoning. You are projecting. It is you who is being emotional. If you’re not taking the drugs, what do you care if they are legal or not? Legalizing heals society and costs much much much less in costs, monetary and societal.

    Wake up, mate. Wake up.

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @..,-
  148. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    Message to troll:

    The second you went that route, you did way more than surrender….
    You need a clue about how the real world works….

    Will give you the benefit, if you claim over reliance on masks have cut off
    oxygen to your brain…..

    • Replies: @restless94110
  149. BLawsen says:

    WTF?

    I think either someone has esconded Reed and assumed his identity and been posting this pro-dystopian shite (which has been the case for some time now), or Fred has lost his mind already (dementia perhaps), and should call it a day with regards to his blog.

    His writings of today resemble nothing of the Fred Reed of the mid-2000’s. This is exactly what a 180 degree turn around looks like. Sad.

    RIP Fred Reed’s logic and common sense.

  150. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    ‘Name one black market that does not supply a prohibited item.’

    Fencing stolen merchandise. I suppose you could say stolen merchandise is a prohibited item, which would be a moot point unless you support the idea of theft and sale of such.

    ‘Making drugs illegal, thus expensive, is what drives some crime, and it always has.’

    Exactly what I have been saying, but it is the addictive property which is a factor also. You seem to be treating me as if I am in favor of keeping drugs illegal, I am not. If you read the link I posted you should know that.

    • Replies: @restless94110
    , @Resartus
  151. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    If you are going to argue against me without reading what I put up here there is no reason for us to continue.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  152. @Jokem

    So you are not able to respond?

    Thanks for conceding.

  153. @Jokem

    Fencing? The epitome of the prohibited.

    So, if I am rich judge, addicted to heroin, and have extensive connections to obtain it. (or like Keith Richards has said in his autobiography, had extensive connections to get pharmaceutical grade cocaine) then that drives the black market????

    Are you serious right now? Do you see how specious your argument is?

    It’s just not true. Keith Richards (or me, as a judge) did not fuel our “addictions” in the black market because of our “addictions.” We just got it and used it.

    Grow up. Legalize all drugs. Do it today. Do it now. Do it yesterday.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  154. @Resartus

    Reading “symbols” that do not really exist in the real world is the mark of the troll.

    Try to get more oxygen to your deprived (and depraved) brain. Take a walk on the beach. Hold up a liquor store.

    Do whatever it takes to pop yourself out of your depraved state and back into the real world.

    Good luck troll.

    [Theme music for troll: Stop Making Sense]

    • Replies: @Resartus
  155. Resartus says:
    @restless94110

    Good luck troll.

    You sure you have a big enough shovel…….

    • Replies: @restless94110
  156. Resartus says:
    @Jokem

    Fencing stolen merchandise.

    What about Government benefits……
    People continue to sell SNAP Cards….
    Don’t know if that would be considered a Black Market
    but they aren’t stolen (depending on your view)…..

    The reason the Government pushed Drug Tests,
    was Money is fungible, they use money they don’t have to spend from
    their own pockets to buy drugs….

  157. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    Very well, if you can do this so can I.

    Your posts in favor of the illegality of drugs ignore reality. Wake up!

    • Replies: @restless94110
  158. @Jokem

    Very well, if you can do this so can I.

    If I can do this? What is this?

    What part of illegality of drugs, which are legalized all over the world, is ignoring reality? Be specific.

    And: Wake up.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  159. Jokem says:
    @restless94110

    Wake up, we need to legalize drugs, when are you going to get it through your head?

    • Agree: restless94110
  160. @Achmed E. Newman

    Who would have thought old Fred Reed would have joined the “if you have nothing to hide” school of thought? 1984 was not an instruction manual, Fred.

    Your interpretation is beyond silly.
    Malevolent might be the word.

    We seem to be getting the surveillance so many fear, but not the benefits.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  161. @byrresheim

    Look at your quote right there, Byrrsheim: “… so many fear” That doesn’t come across as Mr. Reed’s fearing it himself. He doesn’t argue against it and simply tells us we must just accept this surveillance society.

    Hey, he’s an old guy, so I don’t expect him to get off his ass and DO anything, but he could at least be a man when he writes. Nope, he’s a pussy, like Mr. London up in here.

  162. @Resartus

    Sales?!? It’s called weed because it grows wild everywhere, at least it did until Los Stupidos illegalized its ass.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Resartus
  163. Bro43rd says:
    @John Johnson

    Complete decriminalization would end the black market as consumers would flock to legitimate producers/sellers over street vendors. And if half the effort/$ of the drug war was redirected towards rehabilitation, real progress could be made. After all, addiction is a medical/psychological issue.

    I can’t speak for you but do not want to live in what is essentially a prison disguised as a country.

  164. jvpr says:

    Nothing…will ever…eliminate…the illegal drug trade.
    This proposal is beyond evil, it’s satire, and not even amusing at that.

  165. Well?
    You are moving.
    You can sell the house digitally.
    But what about items in your house. Like furniture and other items of value in the house to be sold individually. That would certainly over burdened the system.
    So it cannot work without certain level of cash flow.

    • Replies: @Majestic Flying Brick
  166. Dumbo says:

    What effects would it have? Many and astonishing. A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight.

    This is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Money is a fiction, just an exchange means with no actual value in itself, so people will still find ways to change stuff for other stuff they want.

    Also, drug trafficking and corruption exist because many people, including the rich and people in power, benefit from it. You don’t think that they will still want their bribes and their cocaine? If people in power and society in general wanted to end drug trafficking, they probably could. But no one wants that.

    And corruption? This will make it even easier just to add a few zeroes to someone’s account.

    Digital money is just another step in the process of total control that they want to institute. It goes hand in hand with permanent disease testing and other things they want. It’s worse than 1984.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Resartus
  167. Franz says:
    @Badger Down

    It’s called weed because it grows wild everywhere, at least it did until Los Stupidos illegalized its ass.

    Yep.

    Decades ago half the green stuff growing on highway median strips were cannabis/hemp. When they made something called “marijuana” illegal in the 1930s they forgot that little detail and the best, least cross-bred cannabis was out there for the taking till Dick Nixon got ambitious and went after it.

    It was the reason many people found out there are definite and real medical uses for the stuff too. It is indicated in various digestive/bowel illnesses because it relaxes and eases the whole system and often makes further intervention unnecessary.

    It is my firm hope that every “anti-grass” proponent comes down with Crohn’s Disease and requires the removal of six feet of intestine… which cannabis would have prevented if it was used at the start. Busybodies should be paid in their own coin.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  168. @Franz

    No offense but you’re either 11 years old or a complete fucking idiot. No offense.

    • Replies: @Franz
  169. @haole3

    The State would definitely never send in mechanized infantry to confiscate all your inventory.

    • Replies: @haole3
  170. GMC says:

    The US Gov and it’s buddies are NOT going to let their Trillion dollar Dope Business be disrupted by –Anything, much less another type of currency gimmick. Period.

  171. Max Payne says:

    Oh Fred…. Watch me destroy your logic.

    First, you download the app like any other.

    I don’t have a phone…..

    Can’t discriminate. Thus why cash will always exist. I’ve worked in enough places that handle public and private unions to know that you can’t discriminate against those that can’t afford technology. Its why snail mail still exists. Why land lines are still a thing.

    • Replies: @Max Payne
  172. dfordoom says: • Website
    @restless94110

    How big is the market for black market cigarettes? How about the black market for hard liquor?

    Come on, bud. Use your brain.

    Make things legal without stupid onerous, nonsense regulations? You have a legal market and that’s it.

    Those are pretty good points.

    When liquor was illegal there was a black market for it. With disastrous consequences. When Prohibition was repealed that black market largely vanished. Once liquor was legal no-one was going to buy bathtub gin. All Prohibition achieved was more dangerous liquor, a massive growth in organised crime and massive corruption of law enforcement.

    I don’t like drugs but Prohibition applied to drugs has almost certainly done more harm than good.

    You can’t just decide that the government should ban everything you disapprove of. We don’t need a Nanny State to regulate every aspect of our personal lives.

    • Agree: restless94110
  173. Max Payne says:
    @Max Payne

    Its why Western Union still exists.

    “I have bad credit, can’t cash in my employers cheque because I can’t open a bank account” (this is getting to be more of a problem as more banks refuse to service clients without accounts, especially in Canada)

    Walk your cheque to Western Union, take the hit and get cash.

    I know it might seem a small thing but its not.

  174. Wait tell VAT’s come into being. Value Added Tax on everything you buy. And it gets even better. How bout taxes on your mileage, water you consume, gas, electricity, sexual gender, political views, everything you output snd input.
    They will find a way to tax you for all their CultMarx communists social programs benefiting those that are leeches to society, and you will submit or be banned from any interaction with civilization.
    Welcome to O’Bidens America.

  175. Remo361 says:

    The biggest drug pusher out there at present is the CIA. You can bet they’ll have operatives that continue to peddle smack right through the banks and that industry will continue along just fine. If there isn’t an escape valve (Bitcoin) they’ll create one. Oh sure if you muscle in on their territory they’ll bust you quick and fast and confiscate your money i.e. turn off your wallet. Rest assured they’ll be a lot of that.

    This is the mark of the beast system you are seeing roll out and yes under such a system “crime” that isn’t official will be much more difficult and less profitable. But the state itself is demonic and what they require will be evil so I am not sure this crime free land will materialize as you think it will.

  176. Tom Welsh says:
    @Gotta Be Me

    You seem to be travelling up a large river in North-East Africa.

  177. Dumbo says:
    @Rich

    Yep, I never understood the libertarian point of allowing free drugs (and I am actually in favour of a certain libertarian outlook, on some issues – I don’t like authoritarianism in general).

    But, there is no positive side to drugs, especially current synthetic drugs which a far cry from more traditional drugs used in the past.

    I would have no problem id drugs (and porn) were prohibited or at least severely limited. There is no upside to most of them. Even cannabis, the least harmful of them all, it’s not good for your brain if you use it too much.

    Of course, alcohol is also bad, but it has a good side in moderate amounts. Even Jesus drank wine.

  178. James1 says:

    “We have two Alexa boxes in the house If we accidentally say “Alexa” in one room, the box two rooms away will come alive and ask what we want. Would—does—Jeff Bezos let the government use this facility? I don’t know. ”

    The Author is a Goose !

  179. @jsinton

    So the answer is no, no way.

    Most will sympathise with what you say and even agree vehemently.
    And right enough, too.

    However (you knew there was going to be “however” …)

    You presume that your govt (actually the psychopaths who run your govt) cares enough about you to take your concerns into consideration when making policy.

    It’s a bit like belief in “voting” and “democracy” …

    For further details see Zone 23 by C J Hopkins …

  180. Herald says:
    @TG

    The normally sensible Fred Reed is talking utter bollocks here. Digital currency is simply a new way to beat the masses over the head and keep us in our place.

    If you really want to get rid of drug crime, make drugs legal.

  181. tyrone says:

    Two Alexa boxes!? I had to stop reading at that point…..this is a devise ,wired to the internet ,that listens to every word you say in your home….I can’t understand why anyone would want that,especially a guy with Fred’s age and background.

  182. cohen says:
    @A123

    you are back again? wait for some interesting comments I wanted to pass on to you.

    In the interim how is Talmudist plan to blow up Asaqa mosque coming along? Can your handler share the blue prints plans of the temple to replace the mosque

    Peace for Zionists and only for Zionist. Here is one of your hero. I am collecting information on Israeli Human Organ Traders. There are some stories in Israeli Newspaper Haarzet. You guys are genius, I give you that.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-jewish-supremacist-that-made-billions-on-blood-diamonds-and-congos-minerals/

  183. Let me count the daftness…

    “…only you can use your money.”

    Yes, and every social security number is connected to a real American citizen.

    A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight.

    lol

    To the extent that this actually impacted the drug trade, it would simply drive further legalisation. But organised drug gangs would simply find some other commodity to trade with. Just to illustrate the principle: dope fiend trades pack of cigarettes for speedball; dope dealer sends kilos of tobacco back to cartel boss; cartel boss repackages tobacco and sells it legally for digital cash.

    The current mass incarceration of blacks for drug crime would cease, and the drug trade would cease to ravage black neighborhoods.

    lol

    Something would keep ravaging black neighbourhoods – surely not a black propensity for crime, oh no – and the state would respond to it by continuing the mass incarceration. Perhaps the euphemism would change, likely from war on drugs to war on guns, as has largely already happened.

    Money laundering? …if a crooked bank, which may mean all of them, accepted huge deposits of mysterious origin, lights would flash and bells go ringadingding at watchdog agencies.

    As Fred points out, this technology already exists, and somehow money laundering continues. At best, money laundering would be restricted to friends of the watchdog agencies. Ditto corruption.

    …a great deal of the annoyance and bureaucracy of modern life come from the use of different means of identifying ourselves.

    Most of the “annoyance” described can be removed just as well by physical cash.

    One more benefit of physical cash: it still works when the power’s out.

    And the power will be going out at some point. 70 years ago Detroit was a nice place with 2 million people, now it’s an empty wasteland with lead in the drinking water. Current trajectory is downward. Do we really want all our eggs in the techno-futurist basket?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Marckus
  184. Alfred says:

    This push for digital money has nothing to do with controlling drug use. It is so that Bill Gates can limit your consumption of meat and anything else he deems you should not be consuming.

    It is always like that. They bring in taxes on tobacco and claim it is to improve your health. In reality, it is so that they can collect more tax from poor people – few wealthy people smoke.

    BTW, Branson was a scumbag in my class at school in England circa 1965. People never seem to improve with age. 🙁

    Bill Gates and Richard Branson are betting lab-grown meat might be the food of the future

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @Marckus
  185. onebornfree says: • Website

    “How to Eliminate the Drug Trade Overnight”

    This article is pure fantasy, based on the ridiculous, very common assumption that government solutions, [in this case a “one world” government operated worldwide digital currency system], would actually work as imagined in the tiny mind of the author.

    This “just” in, Mr Reed: government solutions never work, never have, never will.

    See “Why Government Doesn’t Work” : https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    Most likely, such a government “solution”would actually _increase_ trade in illegal drugs, not eliminate it .

    2 Reminders:

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    The only way to “Eliminate the Drug Trade Overnight” is to legalize all drugs overnight. The illegal drug trade is a direct consequence of governments previous “solution”, which was interfering in natural market processes by making certain drugs illegal, thereby dramatically increasing the profit potential for those prepared to run the risk of operating in black markets.

    “Regards” onebornfree

  186. The US “drug problem” lies in the unquenchable desire and craving for mind-altering substances by Americans.

    The problem isn’t the Jalisco/wherever Cartel; it isn’t the Cocaine Importing Agency, the US govt’s semi-official global drug merchant. If few people/nobody wanted their destructive products they would fold tomorrow.

    If you are watching the telly or refer to your school lessons about the American Dream and how America is the greatest in everything … Then you can’t make your super-inflated rent, get sick from eating shit American “food”, know your govt is 100% bullshit and corruption in service to an international crime cartel … you are in a Dystopia.

    The gap between reality and the fairy tale causes many to seek measures to alleviate the insanity resulting from said gap and its effect on weak/sensitive/foolish etc people.

    The “drug problem” is thus a measure of US govt maladministration.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  187. anarchyst says:

    The author of this article is missing one aspect, if not the major aspect of the “drug trade”.
    The American CIA along with the israeli mossad has been running drug operations for generations as it is a way to fund “black projects” and topple governments without the possibility of Congressional oversight.
    When a “competitor” (Guzman, et. al.) is demonized and incarcerated or murdered, it is because the CIA hates competition, nothing more.
    The problem isn’t the drugs themselves, it is the “illegality” that drives the whole system.
    From police to prosecutors to prison systems, a symbiotic relationship exists between ((them)) and the lower echelons of the “drug trade”. ((They)) need each other in order to justify their jobs, nothing more.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  188. Marckus says:

    Where Fred lives in Mexico is probably a nice area. The problem though, and most nutritionists know this, eating too many beans causes protein overload. This results in confused thinking and hence nonsensical conclusions.

    For a start, China has indicated (at least so the media says) that while some sort of digital currency is in the works it is only intended for use in China. I dont know how that is going to work as friends who have travelled in China tell me that the $US is king.

    Second: As I have stated before, go to any remote village in the world, run up a tab, and pull out Yuan or your digital cell phone. I do not think these will be accepted. Again the $US is king.

    For the sale of argument I will concede a world wide digital currency is implemented.

    Question: Does anyone with an ounce of grey matter in their head think that this is going to stop the drug trade. Payment can still be made in gold, diamonds and other precious stones or real estate transfers. Notwithstanding that, the people running the cartels are not idiots. They will respond to any such change on a dime.

    Too many people, respectable and not, profit immensely from the drug trade. The cartels can also hire the best and brightest and pay well. A graduate from business school may well take the risk and enlist. Why earn a miserable $100K a year taxable when you can earn $1M non taxable ? Powerful people worldwide have their fingers in the taco plate and with all that corruption the drug dealers will find a million ways to circumvent any currency modification any government comes up with.

    What Fred asserts is wishful hocus pocus !

    • Replies: @Anon
  189. Marckus says:
    @Alfred

    I think both should eat more fruits and vegetables.

    Lab grown, road kill, wild meat or commercially produced meat is not good for them. Neither Billy or Dick look too healthy. In addition some of the things they come up with are absolutely looney.

    If we are what we eat, a lot of people are wondering what they eat because most times they seem to be off their rocker.

  190. I think the CIA will figure out a way to work around any digital currency for their lucrative drug trade. You do realize at the end of the day demand for drugs is the problem. CIA will win. If Covid is any example, the Chinese will cooperate. Everyone but Syria and NK as the same banker.

  191. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred Reed doesn’t live or think in the real world.

    (doesn’t he live in Mexico?)

    He assumes that responsible, honest adults (White WASPs, or maybe honest Japanese, honest Han Chinese from say Singapore) will be the ones, the only ones monitoring these electronic cashless transactions.

    Who the fu*** does Fred Reed think is running law enforcement, criminal justice system, public schools in places like my Chicago? Detroit? Baltimore? Now Minneapolis.

    In my Chicago it’s a Black Lesbian mayor Lorri Lightfoot and a BLM Soros funded District Attorney crazy hate Whitey Kim Foxx.

    It’s now basically not done to punish the worst violent Black car jackers, robbers, rapists and killers in Chicago. So Fred Reed thinks that these same horrible look the other way folks will be 100% honest and catch the street drug dealers?

    NFW?

    The UNZ Review has too many great, honest writers to have to continue to publish and care about this old and out of it in Mexico guy Fred Reed.

    J Ryan
    Left Behind outside of Chicago

  192. Marckus says:
    @anonymouseperson

    The problem with legalizing drugs is that you cut a lot of money from people’s pockets. As I mentioned in an earlier comment powerful people in every country get a taste of narco money and they are not going to give that up for any reason.

    A lot of government agencies worldwide are also involved in “the drug war” and earn a living as such. If governments were to provide dumpsters where an addict could dive in and snort/ ingest all his favourite treats millions of people would be unemployed.

    In addition, the drug profits flowing south finance businesses and employment. Think the present refugee crisis is bad ? Think what the US border would be like if millions of additional people have their livelihood axed !

    Of course we see the US legalizing cannabis. However the cannabis companies with all their high priced executive expertise just cannot seem to turn a profit. The big money is in the harder dope which many Americans from the street sweeper to the highest echelons consume enthusiastically and on a regular basis. We can also see that once the cartels lost their weed revenue, they immediately saw another money making opportunity moving illegals accross the border.

    Government bureaucrats do not seem to understand this. The Washington official with an ivy school doctorate thinks the cartel leaders ignorant peasants. Reality shows this to be a false assumption. Another money making transaction looming on the horizon is trafficking in weapons. If Mr. Magoo and his VP Alice in Wonderland manage to ban all guns, seize all guns, and threaten dire consequences for gun ownership, the traffic in weapons from south to north will become an avalanche.

    As long as residents of this planet like their sauce there will always be someone willing and ready to provide the goods. The more an item is banned the more it is desired. The war on drugs has been ongoing for how many years now ? ….. is a dismal failure and will continue to be so.

    Too many people are getting theirs and they are not going to give up with they have for the good of mankind. I have lived in repressive countries and the clever the Government the smarter the population !…and the more corrupt the government officials…

  193. “The city seems to have noted that China could pay Iran for oil in digital yuan, circumventing American sanctions.”

    Of course, China has no business doing business with Islamist Iran while the latter has no business wanting to wipe out Israel and for certain, Jews have no business oppressing Palestinians. What all three moronic states need is a swift kick in the tuchus to bring them to their good senses, assuming they have any!

  194. anon215 says:

    Many here seem to believe that cryptocurrency would shield them from the prying eyes of government. With the exception of Monero, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Bitcoin (and most other cryptocurrencies) is *infinitely* more traceable than the electronic movement of dollars. Everybody can view your balance, who you transact with (and in what amount), etc. Blockchains are PUBLICLY visible!

  195. History – new technology does not end fraud or crime, it just makes it more efficient for those in control.

  196. roberto1 says:

    Perhaps something that Fred can relate to. I spend a fair amount of time in baja. I can just imagine how easy it will be for the thousands of people who live in shacks in the arroyos and have intermittently charged flip phones to figure out how to do all this.

  197. Angharad says:

    This is possibly the most retarded, idiotic Fred the Goyim Bootlicker has EVER “written”. Which is quite an achievement.

  198. HT says:

    Eliminating the drug trade is not possible but if you seriously want to reduce it, impose a death penalty for illegal drug distributors and return to harsh criminal penalties for drug abusers. Decriminalizing drugs has led us to the mess we have today with both high drug usage and the related high property crime numbers. Every drug addict is a mini crime wave whether drugs are legal or illegal.

    • Disagree: Bro43rd
  199. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred’s suggestion would curtail the drug trade by at least 80%, however the Government might decide it doesn’t like my beliefs or political positions and not allow my phone to buy or sell unless I change my mind. I just dont want them to have the power to not allow me to buy food. Twitter and facebook have blocked a former president of the United States, so it can happen. In fact, its just our overlord’s style.

  200. Resartus says:
    @Badger Down

    Sales?!? It’s called weed because it grows wild everywhere, at least it did until Los Stupidos illegalized its ass.

    Guess we could say “Taxed” vs “Unregulated”…. 🙂

  201. Resartus says:
    @Dumbo

    It’s worse than 1984.

    I said early on, I see it more relative to “V for Vendetta” than “1984” (which also adds to the discussion)….

  202. anon[406] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, barter: 2 high-tech, CEO heads for a keg.

  203. Che guava says:
    @anonymouseperson

    I am liking Fred:s points he is not covering, which seems the main points of the whiners.
    I used to enjoy reading SoF, for sure, some of the articles I enjoyed were by Fred, I would think. It was a little special in parts of the underground music scenes who were not ultraliberal, but of fellow readers, one went to Seth Efrica, one much later for Serbia. I really wanted to join the latter, but combo of health, age and girlfiend not suitable at the time, didn’t.

  204. Agent76 says:

    April 20, 2021 House Passes Cannabis Banking Bill With Bipartisan Support

    Lawmakers voted 321-101 on Monday in favor of the so-called SAFE Banking Act. The legislation protects banks and other financial institutions to serve state-legal marijuana businesses without fear of federal punishment.

    https://www.oann.com/house-passes-cannabis-banking-bill-with-bipartisan-support/

    November 4, 2020 From Marijuana To Mushrooms, Voters Want Drug Laws Eased

    In states across the country, voters sent a clear message they wanted restrictions on recreational drug use eased. On Tuesday, residents of Arizona, Montana, New Jersey and South Dakota voted to join the ranks of 11 other states that have done so.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931507602/from-marijuana-to-mushrooms-voters-want-drug-laws-eased

    July 14, 2020 Is CBD Oil Legal in All 50 States? With the many changes across the United States, many people are asking, “Is CBD oil legal in all 50 states?” Is CBD oil legal? Yes.

    In 17 other states, marijuana-derived CBD is legal, but the amount of THC allowed varies from state to state. This includes Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.

    https://intrinsichemp.com/is-cbd-oil-50-state-legal/

  205. ziggurat says:
    @ia

    I’m going to buy “squishmallows” and then trade them for drugs.

    • LOL: Arthur MacBride
  206. some_loon says:

    Lots of transactions are ‘monitored’ now, with enough records to investigate whatever, but nothing happens and no one cares.

    I have heard tax experts say that federal tax enforcement, in the USA, is slow and not very aggressive, contrary to the impressions most have. State authorities, however, can be very, very aggressive in their attempts to collect, especially New York and California, according to those same experts.

    Yet, such a scheme would have to be implemented by the Feds, but they would likely just be another incremental step to keep the middle class in line, without really stopping the drug trade, or any number of other types of ‘undesireable’ transactions.

  207. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred needs to go to work for the Collective Jew Anti-Christ.

    Way to go Fred… Mark of The Beast, explained.

  208. @Resartus

    Appreciate your comment, with the quibble that the legal marijuana market in the US or even one large State is way bigger than that. Maybe you are referring to some particular small State or a city with legal pot sales.

    Just in the single month of July 2020, legal marijuana sales in licensed, taxed stores totaled $348 million in California alone. Total CA legal pot sales will probably be $4 Billion to $5 Billion this year, 2021.

    But you’re absolutely right that wholesale and retail taxes on legal pot are so high in most States with legal pot that people still buy a ton from unlicensed, untaxed sellers, whether gangs or otherwise. Just on the retail end, the consumer can pay 30-36% sales/excise taxes on marijuana in Los Angeles County, I think even higher (37%) in Washington State. Nevada state/county sales/excise taxes on the retail buyer run 21.6% and up.

    All levels of government that levy retail taxes on marijuana would likely receive more revenue with a much lower retail tax burden. Cut out the bulk of the gangs’ and other illegal sellers’ price advantage. Volume will predictably shift somewhat from illegal to legal sellers.

    The State of NJ recently enacted a legalization law that seems to call for only the state sales tax (6.675%) and an optional municipal tax of 2%, for a total of 8.675% retail tax. If NJ doesn’t impose greater taxes and fees at the wholesale marijuana level than neighboring States, the NJ state and local governments can reap a large, growing revenue influx on a sustained basis. If NY stays true to form and imposes exorbitant retail taxes on pot, there will be a lot of NY’ers taking trips to the Garden State for the “vice” portion of the household budget.

    • Replies: @Resartus
  209. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marckus

    Where Fred lives in Mexico is probably a nice area. The problem though, and most nutritionists know this, eating too many beans causes protein overload.

    Sorry, it’s simpler than all that.

    Fred has breathed in so many of his bean farts that he now has shit for brains.

    Time to retire this clown… to the Honduras.

    No internet for Fred, no need for Fred on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  210. I always find it ironic that the biggest criminals of all, that is to say the gubmint, has the temerity to call its slaves criminals.

    • Agree: Gordon K. Shumway
  211. Resartus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Maybe you are referring to some particular small State or a city with legal pot sales.

    They were numbers brought up on a Business show….
    A few years earlier, reported that Illegal Sales in CO were up
    40-60% in the years following legalization….

    Also, in several states (2019/2020), it was reported prices were down significantly,
    nominally, because so many started growing, the supply overwhelmed the
    demand (at least in Taxed businesses)….

    Then, other than MJ, how would the Health Department get involved, especially with Meth,
    considering the huge number of labs/kitchens producing it currently…
    Would the cost of ingredients push home labs out of business…

    Lots of things to consider…. People that push for legalization, rarely do much than skip the surface of things that would/could occur if it actually happened…..

  212. Barter will return to quite a large degree I’d estimate. The variety of items and actions that will be regarded as a trade worthy commodity will expand massively and likewise spark a renewed sense of how to evaluate the world around you, beyond the sales & marketing bullschidttery that currently assails the mind of man. Private, extremely localised, one time only trading, with spontaneously created currency for that moment only, sounds like a landscape I’d be keen to stroll freely and unobserved around in.

  213. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    I think drugs should be legalized and regulated.

    But at the same time, we need to remove the blacks and hispanics from society.

    A dilemma we live in.

  214. Franz says:
    @Andy Horton

    No offense but you’re either 11 years old or a complete fucking idiot. No offense.

    Well if you take 11 and multiply it by a bit less than 7, you’re close on the first one.

    And no offense here either, but plenty of us have seen Josiah Warren’s ideas work out in the real world. You have to be aware that the economics schools and bankers are telling you one story, but there’s a dozen more stories and some (with provisos) can work.

    This is a good place to start on Warren:

    https://mises.org/library/josiah-warren-first-american-anarchist

  215. kemerd says:

    Biggest criminals do legal transactions, they make sure what they want to do is legal. Even drug cartels can make it work by buying few more government officials, or the government itself in some countries. But indeed small criminals might have a hard time.

  216. profnasty says:
    @Escher

    The FBI/ADL investigators are following up the sigint and visiting the female victims, armed with chocolates and roses. They will definitely get to the bottom of the case.

  217. profnasty says:
    @TG

    Yes. Like trading a bottle of whiskey for sex. I wonder if anyone’s ever thought of that before.

  218. FvS says:
    @Pepe the Frog

    Alcohol is more dangerous than cannabis. Would you like to see people that drink alcohol be subjected to the Singapore treatment?

  219. Grant says:

    naive in the extreme – must be a bait to provoke thought, at least. ‘If they can, they will/do’ re. surveillance. Being able to track and detect crime does not mean authorities prosecute. Suspicious transactions must be reported by banks – which they dutifully do, but the office responsible for prosecuting has only 2.5 (sic) staff and did not investigate – so banks were off the hook as they did their bit, but no elimination of crime resulted due Gov. neglect, intentional I suspect. The next depressive step is to acknowledge that the umpire is also crooked.

  220. Don’t get your hopes up over digital currencies if they all rely on block-chain technologies.

    Block-chain technologies require a tremendous amount of power resources and ever increasing data storage requirements. At last count, several Earth-sized planets with their corresponding electric grids would be required to power such technologies en-masse…

  221. al007 says:
    @ia

    Correct. Human nature doesnt change. All that would hapen would be a parallel barter market that mimics “legit” business dealings but is really a cover for drug deals….prostitution…etc.

    In this way, the digitizing of money would make the drug trade bigger and more lucrative.

  222. @anonymouseperson

    They did this in Portugal a few years ago and drug crime and addiction has been reduced by something like 90%…

    • Replies: @Resartus
  223. jamesc says:

    There are no laws of economics, so nothing is for certain, but history can guide as that when there are motivated buyers and motivated sellers, it takes a lot to stop them from trading. We saw that in the Soviet Union, where consumers craved Western goods. With drugs, the desire to consume is so much more, that buyers and sellers will find a way. That might mean using barter, another currency, fake transactions or whatever else one might imagine. So, that is what would happen, if history is any guide.

  224. Yevardian says:

    What effects would it have? Many and astonishing. A universal digital currency, combined with cashlessness, would wipe out the illegal drug trade overnight. At street level, every speedball sold would be paid for by the addict to the corner dealer, with the time, place, amount, buyer, and seller being recorded. The pattern caused by a dealer’s making repeated sales would be easily detected by AI algorithms. When the street-level guy bought a new kilo or whatever from his own dealer, this would instantly be flagged. When Pedro of Mexico wanted to sell a large batch to DeShawn in Chicago, the deal would stand out like sanity in a Democratic administration. Getting around this would be extremely difficult if not (more likely) impossible.

    Actually, in the real world, people which switch from selling drugs for cash to barter of basic goods and services (food, accommodation, prostitution, murder) practically immediately. Many already do.

  225. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “What the heck started be a month or 2 after 9/11. Maybe you have Afghan butt-buddies, but I want nothing to do with them. They can stay there, and I’ll stay here.”

    Afghan never wanted USA there from the beginning .Only lately some slim majority USA dont believe in these wars .

    You may not want but you are just one of many who voice different opinions .

    “Interesting How the Military ‘Defends’ This Country by Sending Ships 7,000 Kilometers From Canadian SoilIn recent years Canadian vessels have repeatedly been involved in belligerent Freedom of Navigation (FON) exercises through international waters – claimed by Beijing – in the South China Sea, Strait of Taiwan, and East China Sea. To counter China’s growing influence in Asia, Washington has stuck its oar into long-standing territorial and maritime boundary disputes between China and the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and other nations” https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2021/04/19/interesting-how-the-military-defends-this-country-by-sending-ships-7000-kilometers-from-canadian-soil/

    Sometimes back ,not one but many resolutions were passed in Iraq to have US out. US is still theer.

    US is still Syria.

    That the reality . War will continue not because it is beneficial to USA but it is beneficial to a few at the top.
    Its also a reality that digital currency is going to overwhelm or undergird our future .No escape from this . Already the transactions of purchase occur mostly digitally .Any transactions like buying plane ticket will raise a red flag .Forget about buying anything in physical currency that cost more than 200 dollars . Check leaves its own foot prints on digital map.

    China is well ahead in the game just like USA is some other ares like money printing and drug money laundering or seizing asset of Iran or Venezuela or Iraq or Syria .

    Yes its correct -drug decriminalization will set the country on a new and better path robbing banks, military and government of profits ,excuses ,and ability of waging wars at home or abroad .

    How many banks would have but did not fail in 2008 due to drug money? Per UN report- 200 banks .

  226. “But…how different is this from today’s America?” Are you brain dead? It isn’t a matter of who sees what what. It’s a matter of who controls what. Give the government power over digital currency and they will use it against the enemies of the moment. Think the FBI lying about Trump is a big deal? Wait until they control your income.

  227. SafeNow says:

    When criticizing this plan, please— clever-but-merciless commenters — use some perspective. We’ve heard about having bearded young men with penises shower with the girls’ soccer team. And most recently, farming edible insects as part of the green new deal, and Gov. Newsom deploying F-15s for crowd control. Against that context, the cashless idea is — is — insightful and interesting, but its negatives outweigh its benefits by a wide margin.

  228. Resartus says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    They did this in Portugal a few years ago and drug crime and addiction has been reduced by something like 90%…

    A country of approx 11 million which 95%+ one ethnic group….

    Not anywhere equivalent to the some major cities in the US,
    much less the country….

  229. Blacks choose to decimate themselves with drugs.

    I do not choose to be surveilled around the clock by digital currency software. That would have to be forced on me.

    See the difference?

  230. CMC says:

    Arrests would not be necessary.

    The potential control level that crypto would give or permit governments contributes to my wondering whether the recent spate of apparent arrestor-arrestee unfortunate events are not part of a push for a crypto or social credit score type of money. If the incidents are faked to any extent —sheer speculation here, the motivation might be to create a problem in the public’s mind so as to then present the “solution” of crypto. No more arrests. Except on full, knowing, voluntary consent. Just shun and cut off access; exile on a smaller scale but at scale and by AI. Micro exile.

    (I wonder if calls for defunding the police could be part of it too.)

    Thus let the public plead for it’s own … well, what would be the word, entanglement? Enslavement? Imprisonment?

  231. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred,

    Time to put down the bottle of Tequila. The worms have eaten your brain.

  232. chrimony says:

    So the guy whose bio proudly proclaims his life of biker gangs and overseas whoring wants to stamp out illegal drug use. Rebel and adventure seeker no more, he wants the world to settle down with him.

  233. sally says:
    @Gotta Be Me

    Your comment suggest just don’t understand the power of Technology Assisted Corruption (TAC). Oligarchs and their privately owned media fully intend to use their power over the 256 different nation states in the world to make everyone either prisoner (the lucky ones) or slave. USA governed America is a product of main stream media and the wealth of the Oligarch and his corporation, and is not a product of the masses who live in USA governed America. Governments are just machines capable to produce prisoners and slaves, but the person of the oligarch or by the corporation which holds most of the wealth of the oligarch are in charge of how the nation state governments are operated by those who are called politicians.

    The media delivers content, designed by high tech misinformation machines. This content is a product of embedded psycho engineered propaganda, which is a technology often embedded in content allowed to be aired on main stream media. Such propaganda is capable to erase and re-record your memory of past events (like when the memory of the witness who saw the car hit the kid on his bicycle (hit and run). The witness recalls facts that never happened about the event. This event happened right in front of the eyes of the witness. But the Oligarchs and their corrupt use of technology can make the eye witness remember the details of the event quite differently from how the details actually happened. The PTB use replace erase and re-record technology to change your recall of the lies (weapons of mass destruction) that took place in the lead up to the unconscionable invasion and regime change in Iraq, the as yet untold stories of Kennedy assassination and 9/11. Your old original memory is easily erased and replaced by Fake memory on the screen right before your eyes and ears. What you as a witness actually saw, is erased, and a completely different set of facts is how the mind of the witness is made to recall the events of the accident.

    How America remembers America before this all started can be changed too.

    Humanity is trapped, and unless humanity finds a way to void the systems that divide us, the Oligarch will continue to use its misinformation propaganda machine and the armed might of its law making nation state (your government) to deny you, your independence and freedom. Its not the nation state, but those who own and control its objects and use, that are the cause of failing America.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  234. @Zarathustra

    People in China already sell everything with Wechat and Alipay without any “over burden”.

  235. scy says:

    I used to love Fred’s columns 10-15 years ago. He is getting senile.

    Sad.

  236. Ummm. The drug epidemic is no accident Fred. The people who would be controlling your new digital currency, also control the drug trade.

    The CIA, DEA are the drug traffickers. The ones who are supposed to be fighting this stuff are joined at the hip with the cartels, mafia and street gangs. The big banks launder the money. This isn’t a big secret bud.

    The drug epidemic is a eugenics program and a form of counter revolution, this is all by design. Maybe euthanasia is a better word, or murder. They flood these former industrialized regions, that have been decimated by global capitalism with drugs and weapons to keep the unemployed and homeless docile, or kill them. Buld some liquor stores in place of the factories. Boom, the added bonus of enriching capitalists in the process. Same with the prison industrial complex. Win-win Cha-ching! I know the Richtard Spencers of the world support this kind of thing since these are “weak” and “inferior” people in their mind.

    C’mon man!

    How about we stop overthrowing socialists that put a stop to it?

    https://kawsachunnews.com/bolivia-reduced-drug-trafficking-by-expelling-the-us-military-interview

    https://kawsachunnews.com/castillo-would-expel-worlds-main-drug-cartel-the-dea

    How about stop supporting the narcos?

    https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/24/honduras-us-backed-drug-trafficking-dictatorship-opposition-united/

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/26/leopoldo-lopez-venezuela-colombia-drugs/

    This isn’t hard bruh! I know everyones read about the poppy fields in Afghanistan. Fentanyl coming through Myanmar, the Golden Triangle, Vietnam, Air America CIA. This is kindergarten tier conspiracy stuff man!

    https://narco.news/the-shadow-war

    All goes back to capitalism bruh, we living in a sick society. Ruled by gangsters. What do you expect from a system that rewards criminality and greed? Maybe we should have a society where people don’t want to use drugs?

  237. @The Alarmist

    Nancy Reagan said it best “Just say NO!"  

  238. @anonymouseperson

    A better idea: guillotine drug dealers. Saudi Arabia has zero problems with theft.

  239. @sally

    Stop with the ‘humanity’ already. There is no such thing. There are only different groups of people with different abilities. What solves a social problem in one group doesn’t solve the same problem in another group.

  240. ‘How to Eliminate the Drug Trade Overnight’

    nationalize the production, distribution and sale of all drugs

    • Replies: @Gordon K. Shumway
  241. @anonymouseperson

    Drugs are virtually legal on the West Coast. How’s that working out?

  242. The drug trade is fueled by the enormous demand for drugs. As long as there is such a high demand, there will be suppliers. If the demand for drugs vanished, so would the drug trade. So why is there such a high demand for drugs in America?

  243. @ravin' lunatic

    Turn the drug trade over to politicians? The crookedest group of people on the planet? What could possibly go wrong there?

  244. Marckus says:
    @Anon

    I normally have a coffee while I entertain myself with UR but your comment put an end to that. I am laughing so hard I cannot even take a sip.

  245. Marckus says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Great refutation and solid reasoning. For every point you countered, you showed the whole thing is a pie in the sky.

    Fred lives in Mexico. He should know what he wrote is nothing but tripe.

  246. @Marckus

    Great refutation and solid reasoning.

    Well, I was a law professor, you know 😉

  247. You present quite a interesting case. The digital currency will enable the tightening up on quite a bit of illegal activity. And your comment about how we are being tracked in just about every way already means that it is not that different.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  248. Almost everything is already digital except for smaller transactions and none of those miraculous solutions worked so far.

  249. Jokem says:
    @The Globalist

    I don’t see how. The criminals will switch to electronic Swiss fund transfers or Krugerrands.

  250. There still has to be the will to stop whatever it is you wish to stop.

    Take illegal immigration; that could be easily halted. Few people who hire illegals would want to risk a month in the pokey to do it; and if they were taking that chance, then the market for illegal labor would dry up, and if the market for illegal labor dried up, the illegals would no longer have a reason to come.

    So why don’t we do it? Because in the last analysis, we don’t want to. Too many employers want to pay five dollars an hour less to their workers, too many suburban matrons like their submissive, diligent Guatemalan maid, etc.

    Ditto, I suspect, for drugs, bribery, and whatever else you claim you’ll stop. These things go on only partly because they’re hard to combat; they actually can be and have been eradicated in various places at various times.

    They go on because many of us wish them to go on.

  251. Bite Moi says:
    @ia

    ia———Treat addicts like roaches. Just contaminate the illegal drug supply with a slow acting,irreversable poison.

  252. ..,- says:
    @restless94110

    Portugal legalized all drugs over 15 years ago.

    Your’e sure?

    • Replies: @restless94110
  253. I often agree with you, Fred, but I think you’ve missed the mark on this one. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply.

    The street level dealers won’t restrict themselves to digital transactions, as there are plenty of other ways to pay for stuff: barter, theft, gold and silver, etc.

    As we should have learned from prohibition, the only way to disrupt illegal drug activity is to make it legal. Legalize it, regulate it and tax it.

    I have no doubts about digital currency eventually taking a large portion of the transactions (credit cards pretty much do that already), but there are still trillions floating around in paper.

  254. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    JFK and my brother and Greg are in the process of rebooting the world!!! – yah,

  255. The problem I see with biometrics (of any kind) is that once the bioID is created it becomes a digital value, zero’s and one’s … and those zero’s and one’s can be copied and then fed through a device (that already exist) to commit a fraudulent transaction.

    I don’t trust any biomentric identification any more than I trust a politician.

  256. @..,-

    Yep, I’m sure. Are you?

  257. R.C. says:

    Revert laws to what they were around 1890 in the USA. (Aka, ‘un-illegalize’, i.e., legalize drugs.) Simple.
    If we did that, there’s no way that the legal drugs would ever catch up to alcohol or cigarettes in health damages, plus we’d get back to an infinitely freer society.
    Indeed, these inane lockdowns and mandates could never have been instigated by power mad governments (which IS the nature of ALL government) had people not been primed into believing it was OK for people to be arrested and jailed and killed in their homes for having pot.
    R.C.

  258. cestall says:

    LOL seriously?? Ok, assuming law enforcement can get warrants to search financial transactions, you think D’aunte’quarious Jackson is going to log his transaction as “DRUGS?”

    How about bartering/trade? If I’m selling drugs, I’ll gladly take a weapon or car in exchange.

    Also, most low level street dealers aren’t worth it. They spend money as fast as they make it. And distributor/cartel level people will just vanish in the cloud with this stuff.

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