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A dozen years ago I wrote two essays showing that the War on Christmas in recent times has in fact been conducted by Jews out of their historic hatred of Christ, Christians, and European Whites. Recently, I was a guest on Guide to Kultur, hosted by Frodi Midjord, and we talked about my 2008 essays “Merry Christmas Movies … NOT!” Today I will update those essays.

Jewish columnist Burt Prelutsky bluntly explained my point in his 2004 column “The Jewish Grinch who Stole Christmas,” beginning with “I never thought I’d live to see the day that Christmas would become a dirty word. … Schools are being forced to replace ‘Christmas vacation’ with ‘winter break’ in their printed schedules.” We all know about that, as a whole generation now has become inured to the horrid greeting, “Happy Holidays.”

“How is it, one well might ask, that in a Christian nation this is happening?” asks Prelutsky. In plain English, he spells it out: “I blame my fellow Jews. When it comes to pushing the multicultural, anti-Christian agenda, you find Jewish judges, Jewish journalists, and the American Civil Liberties Union, at the forefront. . . . But the dirty little secret in America is that anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society — it’s been replaced by a rampant anti- Christianity.” Amen to that, brother.

Next, we turn to Prelutsky’s fellow Jew, Neil Gabler, an expert on Hollywood whose 1988 book title alone tells us all we need to know: An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood. Prelutsky didn’t mention Hollywood in his War on Christmas, so I’ll show how Jews are busy there destroying the spirit and intent of that sacred day for Christians. It’s not pretty, either.

This undermining of the Christian meaning of Christmas began early in America, before and during World War II, but it was subtle enough that few goyim noticed, let alone objected. We had, for instance, the huge hit “White Christmas,” written by Irving Berlin, born ביילין ישראל, or “Israel Beilin” for those who don’t read Hebrew.

Mark Steyn (“A Triumph of Miscegenation,” The Spectator, December 17/24, 1994) light-heartedly described how Jews created a gradual division between religious and secular Christmas symbols, making America a society where “Jesus, Mary and Joseph are for home and for church; Santa, Rudolph and Frosty the Snowman — the great secular trinity — are for everybody.” For instance, “Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer,” was first a book created by Robert May in 1939 and a decade later inspired his brother-in-law Johnny Marks to write a song about Rudolph. Both men were Jewish.

Also Jewish were Jule Styne and Sammy Cahn, who together wrote the lyrics

Oh, the weather outside is frightful
But the fire is so delightful
And since we’ve no place to go
Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow!

Of course this “compromise” to take Christ out of popular culture was a great victory for Jews, for it allowed the hostility many Jews felt toward a Christian majority to find vent without the Gentiles really noticing. Novelist Philip Roth, however, knew exactly what it meant:

The radio was playing ‘Easter Parade’ and I thought, But this is Jewish genius on a par with the Ten Commandments. God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and then He gave to Irving Berlin ‘Easter Parade’ and ‘White Christmas.’ The two holidays that celebrate the divinity of Christ — the divinity that’s the very heart of the Jewish rejection of Christianity — and what does Irving Berlin brilliantly do? He de-Christs them both! Easter he turns into a fashion show and Christmas into a holiday about snow. Gone is the gore and the murder of Christ — down with the crucifix and up with the bonnet! He turns their religion into schlock. But nicely!

Nicely! So nicely the goyim don’t even know what hit ’em. They love it. Everybody loves it. The Jews especially. Jews loathe Jesus.

In the context of the times, however, such songs were not obviously anti-Christian. It was not until Jews achieved cultural hegemony in the late 1960s that the underlying sentiment of hostility toward Christians in America came out into the open, led first and foremost by the just-mentioned Philip Roth, whose 1969 blockbuster novel Portnoy’s Complaint was shockingly candid about the prevalence of Jewish hatred toward Gentiles. Somehow, few Gentiles (Whites) of the time even noticed, so in an important sense the book served as a litmus test for how explicit Jews in America could be about their contempt for goyim. And that contempt turned out to be immense. Still, it took time for this hostility to emerge, then dominate.

Obviously, “Happy Holidays” and “Season’s Greetings” were not always ubiquitous during the month of December, nor were real Christmas songs in any way unwelcome. Quite the contrary. Criticism of Christmas was not easily tolerated. For instance, back in 1952, George S. Kaufman appeared on a popular television show one week before Christmas and was asked what he wanted for the holiday. He replied, “Let’s make this one program on which no one sings ‘Silent Night.’” The response from the audience (largely Gentile, one would presume) was fast and furious: Kaufman was removed from the show and exiled from the TV screen for a year thereafter.

Fast-forward to 1982 and the popular Saturday Night Live Show featured a skit called “Merry Christmas, Dammit!” This skit portrayed the relationship between Donny and Marie Osmond, two non-Jewish sibling pop singers, as incestuous, and the Virgin Mary was described as “that virgin chick” in a jazzed-up version of “Silent Night.” Eddie Murphy — in his popular “Gumby” guise — read a children’s story in which Santa tears out the lungs of one of his elves because the elf asked for a sip of Santa’s hot chocolate. He ends the skit by saying “And to everyone out there — a Merry Christmas! And to my producer, my director, my manager, and my lawyer — Happy Hanukkah, boys!” Obviously, sensibilities had changed by then, and the people calling the shots were Jews.

Again, beginning in 1969 and the huge success of Roth’s Portnoy’s Complaint, with its lusty protagonist prone to masturbating into pieces of raw liver, we eventually witness a parade of degraded images of excretory functions paired with Christmas imagery. Thus, we had Jewish illustrator Art Spiegelman trying to get this drawing onto the cover of The New Yorker:

Sadly, the drawing was rejected, but Spiegelman and the art editor of The New Yorker (his wife) were able to use the image as their 1993 Christmas card instead. And The New Yorker did run Spiegelman’s Easter cover picture of the Easter Bunny being crucified, but that’s another story.

Jump ahead four years and Santa urinating is upstaged by South Park’s Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo.” In this recurrent theme, Mr. Hankey “emerges from the toilet bowl on Christmas Eve and brings presents to good boys and girls whose diets have been high in fiber. He is especially close to Kyle [a Jewish boy], consoling him during his Christmas-Hanukkah depression and generally appears to help the boys out with something or gives them advice.”

Mr. Hankey was introduced in a 1997 episode that showed the young Kyle brushing his teeth. Mr. Hankey, wearing a Santa hat, jumps out of the toilet bowl and sings a song about Santa and Christmas. The starkest comment in the scene comes when this animated feces writes “Noel” in excrement on the mirror.

Two years later, the more extensive Mr. Hankey version was released as Mr. Hankey’s Christmas Classics. (A parallel CD of the songs includes the delightful “Merry Fucking Christmas”). Here Mr. Hankey besmirches the faces of children singing Christmas songs. He then introduces us to the next scene, “Christmastime in Hell,” where Hitler is shown crying over his Christmas tree. Later, when Jesus and Santa sing a duet, Santa gets miffed that there are far more songs about Jesus than about him, so he leaves the stage. When Jesus implores him to return, Santa speaks the cheery words, “Aw, fuck you, Jesus!”

This episode is a parody of the Charlie Brown Christmas Special in which everyone yells out “Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown!” only after Charlie has realized the true meaning of Christmas — which has Christ at its center. In the South Park version, the characters wish the Jewish boy Kyle a Merry Christmas only after he has taught everyone, through Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo, that Christmas and Christianity are shit.

I feel compelled here to provide a slightly tangential account of Jewish attitudes toward Christmas, fairly tinged with scatological associations, in order to show that the above representations are not simply generically juvenile creations. To do this, we must scurry over to the Israeli site Haaretz for the skinny – For them, it’s wholly unholy:

Christmas Eve is one of the few occasions when Hasidim refrain from Torah study, do not conduct weddings or go to the mikveh [ritual bath for women]. But they do play chess and work on their bills.

On Christmas Eve, known in Jewish circles as Nitel Night, the klipot (shells) are in total control. The klipot are parasitical evil forces that attach themselves to the forces of good.

According to kabbala (Jewish mysticism), on the night on which “that man” — a Jewish euphemism for Jesus — was born, not even a trace of holiness is present and the klipot exploit every act of holiness for their own purposes.

For this reason, Nitel Night, from nightfall to midnight, is one of the few occasions when Hasidim refrain from Torah study. On this horrific night, they neither conduct weddings nor do they go to the mikveh (ritual bath). An entire folkloric literature has developed around the unusual recreational activities of Nitel Night.

Oh, there’s the usual disclaimer that not all Jews follow this custom, but in three decades of research on Jews I’ve found that it’s simply a truism that Jews have an exceedingly negative view of Jesus, Mary, Christians, and Christmas. No wonder so many spit when passing a church . . . or even spit on Christians themselves in Israel.

But in the Haaretz story, this passage about Kabbalistic toilet paper really stood out:

The Knesset correspondent of the ultra-Orthodox newspaper Hamodia, Zvi Rosen, relates that celebrated Hasidic admorim (sect leaders) would cut a year’s supply of toilet paper for Sabbath use (to avoid tearing toilet paper on Sabbath) on this night. Actually, this disrespectful act has profound kabbalistic significance, because kabbalistic literature extensively discusses Christianity as waste material excreted from the body of the Jewish people.

Honestly, I couldn’t make this stuff up. And get this: One of their commandments recommends that they attempt procreation on Friday night, which is a holy time. “Yet on Nitel Night, which has no holiness, it is customary to refrain from observing the commandment, because of the fear that a Jewish child conceived on Jesus’ birthday could become an apostate.”

Gentiles have no idea what they are dealing with when we talk about Jewish ascendency in the creation and control of Western culture. Often, I too simply shake my head.

When I wrote these essays in 2008, I included plenty of links, but a surprising number of them are now dead, so I’ve had to learn to use the Wayback Machine. Still, some sources are beyond locating now, such as Christmas movie reviews by a Jewish individual named Austin Pearl. My links were rock solid in 2008, so I’m going to continue to use Pearl’s Jewish views because they tie together many of the films discussed here.

Pearl gleefully explained his motive for collecting anti-Christmas films: “It’s my wanting to recognize things that are deliberately anti-Christmas. It’s my wanting to take a big you know what on everyone’s Christmas spirit. . . . Each one of them is so anti-Christmas that I want to share them with the world, thereby forcing everyone to realize how liberating it is to rip off the Christmas mind control device and have some laughs in the process.” There is the scatological reference again — “wanting to take a big you know what on everyone’s Christmas spirit.” Clearly we are seeing a pattern emerge.

Humor such as in South Park is juvenile, but in reality it rests upon a long Jewish tradition of hatred of and disrespect for Christmas. Still, it doesn’t really rise to the level of successful cultural subversion. For that, we need to consider a raft of anti- Christmas films. To put this into its proper context, let’s consider the broader circumstances of the modern era. As Kevin MacDonald demonstrates in The Culture of Critique, “The Judaization of the West means that the peoples who created the culture and traditions of the West have been made to feel deeply ashamed of their own history — surely the prelude to their demise as a culture and as a people.” To being ashamed, we can now add that we Western people — Whites — have been subjected to subliminal conditioning that tries to associate positive Christmas symbols with terrifying experiences, thus subverting the beauty and even worship attached to traditional Christmas images, songs, etc.

While Hollywood Christmas movies were almost exclusively positive in the past, like Christmas songs, they have been stripped of religious meaning — and then turned into visual horror shows. Perhaps the best example of this is Silent Night, Deadly Night.

This is a 1984 slasher film that begins with a young boy named Billy witnessing the murder of his parents by a man dressed as Santa Claus. Billy ends up at St. Mary’s Orphanage, where he is beaten by Mother Superior. Later, morphing memories of his punishment at her hands with images of Santa, Billy grows up to become a killer teenage Santa. At work, for example, he strangles a co-worker with Christmas lights and then dispatches the girl with whom the co-worker was having sex.

After a string of other Santa murders, Billy returns to the orphanage, with the police hot in pursuit. Tragically, they shoot and kill Father O’Brien, a deaf priest dressed as Santa. Sneaking into the orphanage, Billy, dressed as Santa, swings his ax at Mother Superior, but a policeman shoots him down. Imparting his central message, Billy assures viewers, “You’re safe now … Santa Claus… is gone.” Not exactly a happy message at Christmastime.

In 1984, such imagery was still able to rile the public. Siskel and Ebert condemned the film, going “so far as to read the film’s production credits on air, saying ‘shame, shame’ after each one.” Angry mothers protested the movie around the nation, and TriStars Pictures, its distributor, quickly ceased advertising the film.

Silent Night, Deadly Night did have antecedents. Black Christmas was a 1974 movie set in a sorority house during Christmas break. A maniac is making calls from within the house, killing the coeds one by one. The movie also takes every opportunity to pair beloved Christmas songs with chilling scenes, a phenomenon that was later repeated in Gremlins, as we will see.

Another, Christmas Evil (1980), features a delusional Santa stand-in who murders three church-goers in front of a church. (He stabbed one man in the eye with a toy.) Later, while wearing a ragged Santa outfit and being chased by an angry mob, our main character drives his van off a bridge, imagining himself to be Santa in his flying sleigh.

Austin Pearl, our Jewish reviewer, approvingly wrote, “Christmas Evil ruins Christmas unlike any other movie.” In particular, this reviewer liked “all the vividly disturbing images of Santa sprinkled throughout the movie.”

It’s no surprise that Pearl also liked the 2003 Billy Bob Thorton film Bad Santa, which was a concerted ethnic effort to trash Christmas. Jewish director Terry Zwigoff made the film under producers Ethan and Joel Coen for the Disney subsidiary Miramax, run by two Jewish brothers, Bob and the notorious Harvey Weinstein. Billy Bob Thornton starred as the bad Santa of the title, going about his life boozing and swearing with abandon. At one point he has anal sex with an overweight woman in a changing room, while elsewhere he goes to a mall drunk and destroys a reindeer display in a drunken rage. Ho ho ho.

Near the end of this dark film, he is shot by a group of policemen but survives. Despite his obvious guilt in numerous crimes, he is pardoned because “the Phoenix police department [thought that] shooting an unarmed Santa Claus in front of children was more fucked up than Rodney King.”

According to Wikipedia, critics generally liked the film, with one describing it as an “evil twin” of “Miracle on 34th Street,” the inspirational Christmas classic. According to reviewers’ consensus on Rotten Tomotoes, it’s “A gloriously rude and gleefully offensive comedy, Bad Santa isn’t for everyone, but grinches will find it uproariously funny.” No wonder Austin Pearl wrote glowingly that “Bad Santa is perhaps the most subversive, offensive Christmas movie ever made — with Thornton as a truly despicable character who, for once, does not receive a total personality transplant by the movie’s end.”

Director Zwigoff intended this film for impressionable teenagers, the vast majority of whom are, one would assume, Christian.

When asked if he thought the film would do well, Zwigoff answered, “I think it might. Every teenager in America is dying to see this film. Though they won’t be able to get in unless they have a very open-minded parent.” Clearly he was aware of the film’s subversive content.

Two years later came another Jewish-directed anti-Christmas movie. The Ice Harvest, Harold Ramis’s “grisly black comedy/film-noir,” sees Billy Bob Thornton return to a mayhem-filled Christmas. One reviewer intoned that The Ice Harvest “is a must-see for fans . . . in the mood to see one of the worst Christmas Eves in the history of cinema.” Roger Ebert (page has been taken down) was also impressed. “I liked the movie for the quirky way it pursues humor through the drifts of greed, lust, booze, betrayal and spectacularly complicated ways to die.” In other words, Hollywood’s version of Merry Christmas stuff.

Gremlins

In my personal view, the most unsettling Christmas movie was the original Gremlins (1984). Though directed by Joe Dante, Steven Spielberg’s production company Amblin Entertainment released it. TIME magazine characterized the film as being “developed and ‘presented’” by Spielberg and being one of his “children too.” Stylistically, too, this film is completely Spielbergian, beginning with a typical suburban paradise. Snow is on the ground as local residents prepare for Christmas.

The drama begins when protagonist Billy receives a cute “mogwai” from his inventor father, but the creature spawns siblings that are far from full of holiday cheer. On the contrary, they bring violence, mayhem, and death to this otherwise happy time of year. Their mischief is methodically paired with normally positive symbols of Christmas. For instance, when Billy’s mom is home alone making Christmas cookies and listening to Christmas music, she is attacked by a squad of ghoulish gremlins with murder on their minds. After stabbing one through the heart, she dispatches another with a deft push of the blender switch, turning the previously Christmas-cookie-aroma-filled kitchen into a bloodbath.

More blood is added when a gremlin foolishly hides in the microwave. A few minutes on high power and his head delightfully explodes. Retreating to the living room, the mother is literally attacked by the Christmas tree, which is full of gremlins. This conflation of joyful Christian symbols with diabolical evil is a central device to the whole movie.

Another example comes when the police pass by Billy’s neighbor’s house and are greeted by the neighbor, dressed as Santa Claus, running about helplessly as gremlins eat into his brain. Next, Christmas-caroling gremlins arrive at grouchy old Miss Deagle’s door, only to send her flying out the second-floor window of her house in a malfunctioning motorized chair.

I call this movie “most unsettling” because I remember when it came out, and the trailers and ads were specifically aimed at children — young children, as I recall, 4–8 years old. I also recall many tales of parents angrily leading their shrieking children out of theaters because families had been led to believe this was a fun Christmas movie. Tell me if you think the following is fun.

In two scenes I thought were totally extraneous, protagonists Billy and his girlfriend Kate pass a group of Christmas carolers singing “Silent Night,” when Kate suddenly and soberly states that Christmas is a time when “a lot of people get really depressed. . . . While everybody else is opening up their presents, they’re opening up their wrists. It’s true. The suicide rate is always the highest around the holidays.” When she volunteers that she doesn’t celebrate Christmas, Billy asks, “What, are you Hindu or something?” Historically, the non-Christian group in America with mixed feelings toward Christmas is not Hindus, but Jews. Here the mask is in place but the true message is easily discernible. It is Jews who hate Christmas.

Much later in the movie, after the gremlins have wreaked havoc on Kingston Falls, Kate launches into a startling horror story about Christmas, one that seems completely gratuitous since it is independent of the blood-thirsty gremlin theme. Surveying the rubble left by the marauding gremlins, Kate relates how she now has another reason to hate Christmas. It seems that when she was nine, she and her mother were decorating the tree on Christmas Eve, waiting for her father to come home from the office. They waited, but he never came.

Then, four or five days later, as the temperature dropped, Kate went to make a fire. “And that’s when I noticed the smell.” Thinking it was a dead cat or bird, they called the fire department to clean it out, but instead “they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He’d been climbing down the chimney on Christmas Eve, his arms loaded with presents. He was going to surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck, died instantly. And that’s how I found out there was no Santa Claus.”

Now that you’ve read my account of Gremlins, go back and watch it again. Note the systematic pairing of Christmas songs with things negative, a Christmas tree with violence, Christmas carols with monsters. And of course, not the slightest hint whatsoever that Christmas has anything to do with a religious holiday celebrating a divinity that Christians traditionally believe to be God.

There’s actually a dizzying array of Christmas films available—over 100 since 2010, including 26 horror films—and too many to review here. Not all Christmas movies are subversive—Hollywood is well aware that there is money in appealing to particular audiences, such as viewers of Hallmark or the Lifetime Movie Network. One such is the popular Elf (2003), by screenwriter David Berenbaum and director Jonathan Favreau, who is half Jewish, with Ed Asner starred as Santa, and James Caan as the elf’s biological father. I invite readers to comment about this film and, because of the glut of films, I’ll need to do that with some other Christmas films as well.

A recent film that looked highly promising as far as my thesis goes is The Night Before (2015) starring Jewish actors Seth Rogen and Joseph Gordon-Levitt, along with Anthony Mackie, who is Black. (This lack of White males fits into my recent photo essay showing how in 2020 Whites males have been almost completely airbrushed out of commercials.) Further, the film is “a successful collaboration between Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg”; the director is Jonathan Levine.

More to the point, reviewer Ben Kendrick strongly suggests that this movie also shows great disrespect for Christmas. The Night Before is “irreverent,” “nor is it a Christmas movie for all audiences” (such as believing Christians, for example?). The film blends “stoner hijinks and holiday spirit.” It is a “raunchy comedy set against a holiday backdrop,” and, in a key description, Kendrick admits that “It’s a surprisingly subversive tale, playing off Christmas movie tropes in unique (and often hilarious) ways.” Again, I need to ask readers to see how this Jewish-inflected film approaches traditional Christmas.

Other films that caught my eye were Black Christmas (2006), a “Canadian-American slasher film,” Four Christmases (2008), The Christmas Chronicles (2018) and Last Christmas (2019). Comments on them are also welcome.

Santa’s Slay

I put aside all of these films, however, when I hit pay-dirt yesterday with the film Santa’s Slay (2005). I’m going to start with Wikipedia’s description:

Santa’s Slay is a 2005 Canadian American Christmas slasher comedy film that stars professional wrestler Bill Goldberg as Santa Claus. The film was written and directed by David Steiman, a former assistant to [Jewish] Brett Ratner; Ratner served as a producer….

On Christmas Eve, the Mason family (played by a cast of all Jewish celebrities in bit roles) is bickering about their wealth and material possessions while eating Christmas dinner when Santa Claus (Bill Goldberg, also Jewish) comes down the chimney and kills them all in various graphic displays of Christmas-themed violence, such as drowning the matriarch Virginia (Fran Drescher) in eggnog, using the star atop a Christmas tree as a ninja star and stabbing the patriarch’s hands to the table with silverware and suffocating him by stuffing a leg of turkey in his mouth. Riding on his sleigh driven by his “hell-deer,” the Buffalo-like Beast, Santa arrives at Hell Township and decimates the locals in various holiday-themed ways. In one of his kills, Santa slaughters the occupants of a local strip club, frequented by Pastor Timmons (Dave Thomas), a crooked minister, who manages to survive the massacre.

Yes, this “gift” was dropped right in my lap as I perused Jewish-created anti-Christmas films. You have to watch this selection of scenes to believe it.

Typical goys are celebrating a traditional Christmas scene with carols and a creche. “Santa” on his sleigh comes through, beheading the statue of Joseph. The actual opening, however, begins with a beautiful rendition of “Joy to The World” against a shot of a well-decorated millionaire’s home, and then zooms into the well-appointed dining room of a large “Gentile” family.

James Caan plays the patriarch, and the whole skit is reminiscent of the typical Hollywood ploy of mocking the goyim, as in the old Caddyshack series. Childishly tasteless and gauche, Caan criticizes the dry turkey, mock praying, “Let it be tender and moist,” to which his wife (played by Fran Drescher) retorts, “Yeah, moist, it’s called foreplay.” Then one family member sodomizes his wife under the table. Lots of laughs. Soon, however, we get bulked-up former wrestler Bill Goldberg as a Viking Santa coming down and through the chimney for some Christmas murder.

More goy mocking comes a little later when Mrs. “Talbot” bullies Jewish Mr. Green at his deli, insisting that he use “Merry Christmas” rather than “Happy Holidays.” Immediately after this, the miserly biddy is driven off the road by Goldberg in his sleigh, and she dies in a fiery inferno. Ah, revenge.

Surprisingly, however, the attack on Christians doesn’t go much beyond that. Yes, later two Gentile boys dressed in red and green pajamas ask their parents if they “can open our mother f**king presents now?” When they open the presents, there are explosions and the boys’ heads are blown off, to which goy Grandma slowly replies “F**k.” In the milieu of 2005, this does not rise to the level of high offense, let alone blasphemy. In addition, Jesus Christ is never mentioned, let alone attacked.

I can’t explain why this is. By 2005, Jews held such a lock on American culture that they could pretty much do what they wanted, as we saw in Quentin Tarantino’s 2009 film Inglourious Basterds. Though director Tarantino is not Jewish, Eli Roth is, and as Sergeant Donny “The Bear Jew” Donowitz, he executes Nazis with his baseball bat. Roth famously said that such filmic revenge amounted to “almost a deep sexual satisfaction of wanting to beat Nazis to death, an orgasmic feeling. My character gets to beat Nazis to death. That’s something I could watch all day.” In addition, Lawrence Bender, one of the producers, told Tarantino that “As your producing partner, I thank you, and as a member of the Jewish tribe, I thank you, motherf**ker, because this movie is a f**king Jewish wet dream.”

Screenwriter and director David Steiman, et al. could have accomplished something similar with Santa’s Slay but for some reason they didn’t even come close. Instead, we ended up with a stupidly juvenile and unprofessional film that was a real chore to watch. Given the coarse level our society has fallen to this century, though, it is hardly surprising that untalented reviewers could write that Santa’s Slay was “simultaneously vulgar and wholesome, stupid and satirical, violent and lighthearted.” Or that “overall it is just a fun, brainless movie that has a ton of violence in it.” Another wrote that “Admittedly, the film doesn’t quite keep up the relentless pace the entire time, but it’s mostly one hell of a slay ride, full of cheesy dialogue, colorful characters, and plenty of laughs.”

“Plenty of laughs.” You can do that with Christmas, of course, but try it with a comedy about the Prophet Muhammad … or the Holocaust. You know, make a “brainless movie” with “colorful characters, and plenty of laughs” about Auschwitz or something. But plan to start looking for a new job the next day.

In any case, Santa’s Slay hardly bothered me, unlike the way Gremlins did. Though Santa’s Slay is clearly patterned on Gremlins, beginning with the use of the song “Christmas (Baby, Please Come Home)” at the opening of both films, it’s a different film (perhaps because the filmmakers were untalented).

Throughout Santa’s Slay the mood mimics Gremlins, plus we have the same type of teenage protagonists, along with a quirky inventor in the family.

Beyond that, however, Santa’s Slay doesn’t come close to the subversion of the Christmas spirit the way Gremlins did. What it did, oddly, was begin to subvert Jews themselves, which really surprised me.

Here I’m going to go out on a limb and attempt a reading of Santa’s Slay worthy of Jay Dyer or Mark Brahmin. While I’ve never really understood Michael Hoffman’s “Revelation of the Method,” I sort of get that it means producers of messages deliberately reveal who they are and what they are doing. And in watching Santa’s Slay, I kept asking myself “Are the Jews making this movie revealing themselves as satanic”?

Yes, I know at this point you are going to cry “WHAT?!!!” But consider that when the credits begin to roll, we are treated to the wordplay of seeing the title first as Satan’s Slay then morph into Santa’s Slay. And throughout Goldberg certainly plays a satanic Santa. What really cements this view, however, is the fact that a central part of the story refers to two virgin births: that of Christ and that of Satan, with Santa Claus being the resulting issue.

Finally, though Goldberg’s Santa wreaks massive havoc and leaves a long trail of people quite dead, in the end a (Christian) angel prevails, and the Gentile teenage couple happily escapes, while satanic Santa is again remanded to the control of the angel. Jews had free rein in this film, yet it turned out to empower Christian Whites. Curious.

And with that happy turn of events, I’ll end this discussion by giving readers a heartwarming review of the 2015 Hallmark film, ‘Tis the Season for Love, which I called “a pro-White, pro-natal TV movie.”

Merry Christmas. I look forward to reader comments on modern Christmas films.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. gay troll says: • Website

    I’ll show how Jews are busy there destroying the spirit and intent of that sacred day for Christians.

    Um, yeah, no. December 25 is a sacred day because it is the end of the winter solstice, when the Sun begins its 6 month northward journey. This day was sacred long before the Christians showed up with a book in one hand and a crook in the other. December 25 was so sacred, in fact, that Christians had to appropriate the holiday for their Jewish messiah, much as they appropriated many other pagan traditions. The Bible says zippo about Jesus being born on December 25; it was not until centuries later that Hippolytus of Rome decided this must be Christ’s birthday, on the bare assumption that Jesus was conceived on the Spring equinox, which is another major solar holiday and also the time of Christ’s resurrection. How very convenient!

    I also missed the parts in the Bible about Christmas trees, reindeer, elves, the jolly toy maker, all of it.

    So fuck off with your “Jews stole Christmas” shtick. In fact Christians stole Yuletide for a Jew. Just because Europe was converted to Christianity does not make European roots Christian. Quite the contrary.

  2. sarz says:

    One reason Byzantium lasted so many centuries was that they knew very well who the Jews were, and so certain professions and activities were banned to them. (You cannot any longer get relevant links about this from Google.) America has collapsed because its founding fathers, their confidence in the spiritual realm undermined by the materialist science of their time, could no longer take blasphemy or the reality of Satan seriously. The American constitution has no defense against Judaic forces. And so it is going.

    Satanism does show up in all parts of the world, but only where there are Jews does it rise to the level of coordinated tribal, multi-generational force. The West must perforce take Jews into account. There will be no Western civilization to speak of till then.

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  3. Zimriel says:
    @gay troll

    This is true … outside Egypt. Hippolytus does seem to be the Patristic author who pushed for Saturnalia season to be Christian season among the northern Roman citizenry. I think that Clement of Alexandria had witnessed rival dates for Christ’s Mass up the Nile however.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  4. Zimriel says:

    This article is spot-on about Gremlins (which is evil) but, on the flipside, without it we would not have the genius that is Gremlins 2.

    I saw Elf last year for the first time. It does have the titular character (stolen from a Pratchett book) as the large human raised by elves who bitterly exposes a false Santa, who sits on a throne of lies. Because: the adopted elf knows that far to the north there exists the real Santa. The elf is in the role of a naive Christian who wants this holiday to be about Jesus. The joke is somewhat on the elf, but also the viewers cannot blame him. I think this one is harmless to Christendom.

  5. Blubb says:
    @gay troll

    Sorry, but you’re the victim of a lot of Jewish misinformation.

    Christians are first recorded celebrating Christmas on the 25th Dec some 75 years after Christ’s birth – before coming in contact with Nordic paganism. Of course it wasn’t codified before the 4th century because that’s when the Church itself was for the first time codified (btw, Santa was there and punched another guy in the face because he was spreading heresy – awesome dude!).

    It became such a popular holiday that 50 years later, the Roman pagans invented the Saturnalia to counterbalance it, but were unsuccessful in the end.

    English Christmas traditions are indeed extremely garbled, mixing a variety of legends (such as elves from Nordic countries) into the story of Santa Claus (St Nicolás)

    German Tradition is much clearer in that regard, St Nikolas comes on the 6th December, on the evening of the 24th we receive the Christkind (Christ the child) who knocks on doors and windows to be let in and escape the cold outside. Father Christmas also comes, but seems to be prevalent in Protestant families, which leads me to believe that they tried to transplant St Nikolas visit to Christmas or something.

    There’s no elves, both St Nikolas and the Christ child have a workshop in heaven that naturally is staffed by angels.

    The tree, likewise, goes back to St Boniface, who evangelized in Germany. We chopped down an oak dedicated to Thor, and advised people of they wanted to wish a tree, it should be the concert, which at least points to heaven. It was later or in the middle of villages for Christmas, decorated with a star, hung apples to, and life cakes, representing the life Christ gives.

    The only memory of heathen practices is Knecht Ruprecht (Rupert, the servant) who was the son of a forest worker and offered himself to St Nikolas as a servant. Henceforth, he sleeps in the forest for most of the year and awakes only in December to serve St Nikolas and the Christkind.

    I’m totally fine with Nordic pagans, I just don’t get why you guys adopt this Jewish hatred of Christianity, thereby furthering their cause of destroying our people. Get a grip.

  6. zimriel says:
    @Blubb

    When you say “are recorded” it is incumbent upon you to give the record, as ‘gay troll’ did for Hippolytus – he’s talking about the Chronicon and the commentary on Daniel. We could also search duckduckgo for Tom Schmidt and Roger Pearse (like I just did).

    What have you got for Christmas, or for that matter for Saturnalia?

    • Agree: gay troll
  7. zimriel says:
    @sarz

    I call shenanigans on “You cannot any longer get relevant links about this from Google.” Wikipedia has a whole article on “the history of the Jews in the Byzantine Empire”. Jewish Virtual Library, as well. The information may be slanted in a Jewish direction, and there is chaff in the wheat in Google’s search results; but the information is relevant.

    The Jewish Encyclopedia has an article on “Constantinople” but, I admit, I used duckduckgo for that. I nonironically recommend Wikipedia for a starting-point. Theodosius and Justinian both had law-codes, both readily available to Anglophones, so it is impossible to lie about official Roman Law as it existed AD 640-840. After that, the Byzantine Empire enjoyed a resurgence and we have many primary sources in how (that phase of) the Empire worked.

    One issue in sketching a “Byzantine policy” is that this Empire lasted so freaking long that you really have to pick a time-period before talking about it. Heraclius was not Justinian was not Theodosius II, and none of these was Basil II.

  8. gay troll says:
    @Blubb

    I’m totally fine with Nordic pagans, I just don’t get why you guys adopt this Jewish hatred of Christianity, thereby furthering their cause of destroying our people.

    Well, I try to hate on Judaism and Christianity equally, which is easy, since both religions are founded on the same ridiculous book. You say Jews hate Christians but you should probably also admit that Christians hate Jews. Honestly I don’t consider it my problem to pick a winner between two cults who justify themselves with false historical narratives. Christianity develops quite explicitly from the prophecies of Isaiah, a violent revenge fantasy written by a sore loser. Isaiah says Yahweh will lay the foundation stone of Zion, and this rock will cause the downfall of all who do not respect Yahweh, including wayward Israelites and Jews. Of course, Isaiah’s fantasy never manifested, and centuries later, in the midst of the Jewish-Roman war, the author of Paul invented a new way to interpret the prophecies of Isaiah, through the figure of Jesus Christ. But Paul does not say that Jesus ever lived, worked, or taught on Earth. It was only after Rome defeated Jerusalem that Mark and the Gospels refashioned Paul to turn Jesus Christ into a fake historical figure. The Bible is a fraud upon a fraud upon a fraud. Nobody needs that to understand the golden rule.

    Besides which, your fraud was forced on the world at swordpoint. It has done its best to fulfill Isaiah’s fantasy of Yahweh’s brutal vengeance. Christianity is just as deeply Zionist as Judaism. You and the Jews are part of the same problem: Yahweh hates humanity.

    Hari Rama Hari Kristna
    Hail Lucifer 666
    Praise Enki
    Namaste

    • Agree: GeeBee, Polemos
    • Troll: Seraphim, Chris Mallory
  9. “Plenty of laughs.” You can do that with Christmas, of course, but try it with a comedy about the Prophet Muhammad …

    And only because Muslims absolutely reject any denigration of The Christ, just as they do that of The Prophet Muhammad, because it is damnably blasphemous. And it is their religion that so informs them. Grosso modo, European Christianity has lost almost all of its piety thanks to its own betrayal of the commandment which warns against not trying to live by bread alone. The scapegoating of the Hebraics in their midst, though certainly justified, suffers from being rather too much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. For it is the fact of White (lay) society having allowed, for some time now, the removal of Jesus and the Holy Family away from the center of ‘Christian civilisation’ to its periphery — for nothing is allowed to compete with Global Capitalism, — that is the real cause of the demise of all that is holy in the modern West. Besides, all the world sees the more than willing subordination of the West to that of Mammon, as being the mark of a sector of humanity which has had its mettle bred out; and certainly through no fault of the victims of The White Man’s Way.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  10. Vagina Owners. ROTFL.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  11. Supposedly according to CW Bullinger, Christ was conceived around December 25 in 5 BC and was born late September or early October in 4 BC. Calendars change, doncha know…. But man-made religion never changes…what began with Christ and the Apostles became man-made (doctrines of men…see Pslam 118 I think) around the time of the so-called conversion of pagans…which is why (with the pagans converting) all this Yuletide-Santa Claus-mistletoe-decorations nonsense began–to help convert the pagans, and to heck with true belief on Christ.

    • Replies: @Biff
  12. Icy Blast says:
    @gay troll

    The same old schtick about Jesus being a Jew. Gay Boy, honesty and clear thinking are both beyond your reach. How sad.

    • Troll: Showmethereal, Zimriel
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  13. raga10 says:
    @Dane Yorick

    Exactly. Secularization of Christmas could be the result, rather than the cause of general secularization of our society (in a recent survey over a third of under-30 respondents said their religious identity is None).

    It could be that businesses simply want to make as much profit as they can by selling to everybody, rather than to one group (and a shrinking one at that).

    Or it could be there is a Jew under absolutely every rock, and we, supposedly superior Westerners have absolutely no agency of our own… personally I don’t find that suggestion all that appealing.

  14. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    Christmas can go screw, but school systems and employers need to stop playing along with the Jewish scheme of constantly moving holidays. Nail them down so they’re the same date every year and that’s it.

    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
  15. @gay troll

    The demons love “pagans” almost as much as “Christian” zionists and atheists. You all serve them so well.

  16. sally says:

    Christianity was developed out of the needs of politics. Politically speaking it is very difficult to entangle the individual elements in a social system so that all of the individual elements in that system move and act as a coordinated singular united whole. In quantum terms the word entanglement is appropriate.

    Emotion controls preference selection for personal behavior. Position on the polarized behavior graph (think a line drawn with one end (pole) social cooperation and the other end (pole) isolated independence). Individuals either willingly cooperate with each other to achieve common goals (in synergetically directed cooperatively driven behaviors and motions) or they opt out of society, refuse to cooperate and isolate themselves to handle things like shame, defeat, etc).. Fear of threats, real or imaginary, drive behaviors toward the cooperate pole. When all of the individuals become fearful of the same thing, they tend to aggregate socially [as in war] and combine and merge their individual ability to contribute to the common defense, to cooperate with each other, and to act as an entangled part of the system taken as a whole. Unbalanced cooperation presents a dangerous situation politically, because an opponent can become the leader of the group, and direct that group at the incumbent.

    The trick for politicians is to activate entangling emotions, in not one group, but in two different, nearly equal in size groups: each group seeking polar opposites, at the same time. i call these polar opposites binaries. Abortion/right to life, guns/no guns. Democrap/Reputaturd, and so forth.

    History suggest Christian ideologies developed as the binary to Judaism. The development of binaries is essential to the politics of controlling large groups of people. Religions are in the realm of the politics of fear. I often use the example: 9 people on a Island, elect one to be the leader, who then says he wants lead the group of the Island, 4 wish to remain and 4 wish to leave. at each election the vote of the appointed leader decides the outcome.

    So these binaries reduce the risk of not being re-elected or of experiencing a out of control revolution.

  17. One image you see a lot is this idea of a white main character who has a black “side-kick”. you see this a lot like in “Bad Santa” where “Santa” has the Black dwarf side-kick. I think that one was a reference to “Black Pete” who was a demonic side-kick to Santa Claus in old days, [this “dark side” of Christmas is nothing new.] You saw that type in another great Christmas spoof “Trading Places” where Eddie Murphy becomes almost like the Side-kick or the “alter ego” of the ultra-white wasp type played by Dan Akroyd who in one scene takes on the role of a drunken, suicidal Santa Claus. Eddie Murphy was then a side-kick to Nick Nolte in 48 hrs. There was one Black member of the team in Ghostbusters then there was “Mr.T” on “the A-Team”, Tom Selleck had the Black side-kick on “Magnum P.I.”, “T.C.”
    There was Maimi Vice with White Don Johnson and the Black side-kick. The list goes on.
    Then as long as we are talking about Jews taking the Christ out of things, what about when they changed time to take the “Christ” reference out of it? “B.C.” and “A.D.” somehow became the burdensome “B.C.E.” and “C.E.”. It is interesting how they chose the word “Common” to replace “Christ”.

  18. I don’t hate Christmas myself, but I would point out that our current Christmas “traditions” lack deep historical roots. Christmas didn’t turn into an annual nuisance until Victorian times, and its character changed to celebrate the success of material production as an unintended consequence of the greater wealth available to ordinary people thanks to market liberalism and the Industrial Revolution.

    As for the decline of Christian belief in the United States in general, this has happened in “Hayekian” fashion, as a spontaneous order, organically and without central planning like the State Atheism in the early Soviet Union. No government official in Washington has ever ordered Americans to stop believing in god; millions of Americans have done this on their own initiative.

    Which must put America’s Christians in an awkward spot, because the morally and emotionally functional irreligionists they see around them – namely, unlike the cartoon versions of “unbelievers” in Christian propaganda who suffer from nihilism and despair – throw into question the Christian theory of man’s nature.

  19. Dumbo says:

    “Seth Rogen”

    I think the most damning thing of all is that a talentless unfunny ugly hack like Seth Rogen can act, write, produce trashy films year after year, and people (goyim) lap it up. (And I thought Adam Sandler was bad).

    It’s like people are so used to eating shit, they start to like it.

    Yes, Gremlins was a well-done movie but quite subversive, especially for being directed and marketed as a children’s movie, sort of like Spielberg’s E.T. but with much more violent and ugly imagery.

  20. Dumbo says:

    I wonder why they never made a horror movie centered around Hannukkah, or Judaism in general? I think it would suit the genre very well.

    Such as: an evil rabbi decides to kidnap gentile children in order to use their blood for matzoh…

    Or: Jews torture and crucify some guy that cures the sick and the blind…

    So easy, the stories almost writes themselves…

    Well, the Coen Bros at least did something of the sort (in the beginning of A Serious Man), but Jewish culture/religion/folklore with its kabbalah and mysticism is quite interesting for horror stories, but hardly ever used. Jews prefer to create horror stories about Christmas or pagan themes (Midsommar).

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  21. Pablo_uk says:

    Recently watched Christmas Chronicles 1&2 with the kids. Great performances by Kurt Russell & Goldie Hawn. Completely devoid of any mention of Jesus, apart from the magic mcguffin, which used a shared of the star of Bethlehem, and some elvish incantations which referenced “Krista”

    Most bizarrely, the dead father is encountered, as a boy, by the daughter, who fails to warn him of his death, saving a family from a fire.

    It was fairly obvious why this didn’t happen. The mum had a new boyfriend – a charming black man! Film ends with the daughter welcoming the black man, as a new member of the family…

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  22. ivan says:
    @Dane Yorick

    It may be the case that Global Capitalism has pushed Christianity aside, but it has done so to every religion. The question here is a separate one : why is there such intense hatred for the symbols of Christianity? Now, such fellows as gay troll and the Wotan worshippers clearly don’t care for Christianity, but are they the ones pushing filth every Christmas, as it was in years past? For comparison, the Hindus too are affected by Global Capitalism but there are no movies made by the Indian movie industry that mock their main gods mercilessly. There are of course movies that make a play of the contrast between the ethical claims of the Hindu religion, and the actual lives of the pious, but that is in the nature of social commentary, not mockery of the religion itself.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Seraphim
  23. gotmituns says:

    Of course, the jews orchestrated this war on Christmas as an assault on White people. But for myself, I’d had my doubts about Christianity long before this “war” moved into the phase it’s in now. I never accepted Christianity, especially the “meekness” end of it. But I’ve always believed and still do, believe in God. But a god of nature who created this world and everything in it and lives in each and every one of us. Not that we are gods, but he’s still with us all the time.

    • Agree: Angharad
    • Replies: @RVBlake
  24. Carlos22 says:

    Got nothing against the whole “Father Christmas thing” for kids but it has been amplified to a whole extreme level these days since I was a kid in the 80’s.

    It’s literally taken over Christmas the only thing you see these days is the red fat man elves etc.. nothing and I mean nothing on the media related to the Christian story.

    I’m an agnostic but can’t help think the theory’s of Santa being an anagram of Satan was not a coincidence.

  25. “Miracle on 34th Street,” the inspirational Christmas classic

    Funny. Down until that point in the text, I though the point was that cultural products about Santa Claus were just meant to “de-christ” Christmas; all of a sudden they are “inspirational”, and a “classic”.

    Anyway, Miracle on 34th Street was based on a story by Valentine Davies, a Jew. It was produced by William Perlberg, a Jew. It was written and directed by George Seaton, who self-described as a “shabbas goy”.

    Here’s Valentine Davies’s grave:

    https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/26-mini-challenges-games-photo-stories/140177-thematic-celebrities-graves-65.html

    As for Seaton, read this article, which gives some more tidbits about Miracle on 34th Street:

    https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2018/12/10/the-jewish-stories-behind-miracle-on-34th-street/

    • Replies: @turtle
  26. Jiminy says:

    Christians are just so easy going. Example , father George Pell rogering young boys. Hey man, that’s cool- just don’t make it a habit. But really, just how entertaining would a movie about crooked Jews be. A documentary? But to all you unzeys out there , just don’t let the Jewish bed bugs bite this Christmas.

    • Replies: @ivan
  27. TL/OGTH (“/Only Got Through Half”, like a bad movie)

    Sorry, Mr. Connelly, you are seeing a few Christmas trees here, but missing the whole forest. I’ve been around, seeing movies since Clint Eastwood westerns, and I didn’t know 1/3 of these movies, at least through when I quit reading. The article started out alright, but then you got to ranting about movies and shows that made fun of Santa. Santa is not what Christmas is about, as you wrote in the beginning.

    The point of these movies and show was always just stupidity as entertainment, like plenty of other Hollywood crap. A difference is that Christmas time was always the BIG movie-viewing season, till maybe 10-15 years ago, when movie-going tailed off. There were going to be more stupid or silly movies during Christmas due to higher demand for stupid or silly movies during the season.

    The War on Christmas is not mainly in the movies. It’s more subtle, and it goes on on TV shows (at least through 22 years back, when I quit watching TV) and in Big Biz advertising. The biggest effort is within Big Ed, where Christmas has been COMPLETELY driven out of the schools, even the elementary school books, as of this time.

    For much better take on the War on Christmas, the reader should go to VDare for these articles in their over 20-year-running series. There are almost 400 not-so-tedious articles on the subject.

    • Thanks: John Fisher
    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
  28. Constantine 313 -Chrestmas to suppkant previsou Roman celebraton – Irving Berlin penned”God Bless America” –all people —and as for childhood what better entertainment than The Three Stooges–.

  29. “One can do anything to those Goyim. Our people crucified their Christ on the cross, and we do a great business on his birthday….”

    • Agree: Angharad
    • Replies: @Kursk Salient
  30. Biff says:
    @omegabooks

    Supposedly according to CW Bullinger, Christ was conceived around December 25 in 5 BC

    The December 25 date is made up. The whole idea of Christmas was to override or displace the more popular old world holiday of ‘Saint Nicholas day’ held on December 6. It was the original hang your stockings over the fireplace and give gifts and candy for children, and at one point it was the most popular holiday of the year for children. The clergy busted a move to get more attention back on Christ, and Christmas was the result – complete with gifts and candy for the kiddies.
    My mother’s side of the family was from the old world(Balkans) and we celebrated both, and I believe both traditions should continue.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  31. dimples says:

    I’ve always loved Mr Hankey. It’s sad to find out that he is a Jew, rather than a miracle from out of the sewerage system that I assumed he was. Or am I mixing him up with Towelie? Not sure.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  32. ivan says:
    @Jiminy

    Typical slanderer . Cardinal George Pell was railroaded. An absolutely ridiculous case. The case against him was dismissed 7-0 by the Australian High Court, after they fixed him in the lower Victoria court. But don’t let the truth get in the way of your circle jerks.

  33. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Both, the text and comments are one-sided and do not present the whole picture. Christianity and Christmas are not limited to US (and W.Europe) only. The truth is that it is there very commercialised and Christmas is on the same level as Satanistic Halloween. There is another Christian tradition which still follows the source Christian tenets – Orthodox Christianity.

    In Serbia, for example, Christmas assumes the richest in the world spectrum of customs and rituals, some of them go back several thousands of years to the time of Vincha civilisation. Orthodox Christianity incorporated some of pre-Christian gods as their saints so as many celebrations. The history of Christianity is also pretty unknown to wide audience. For e.g. almost no one knows that the first Christian diocese was founded in the Roman capital Sirmium in today’s Serbia and that Roman Emperors of Serbian origins had key roles in the legalisation of Christianity.

    The Emperor Diocletian was cruel toward Christians and confiscated their properties. His successors, co-Emperors Constantine and Licinius legalised Christianity while Constantine won in their mutual conflict to become the sole Emperor. Constantine’s mother visited the Holy Land and touched the cross where Jesus was crucified. Since that, the cross became the symbol of Christianity and the whole world celebrate now the Exaltation of the Holy Cross. Later on, one member of his dynasty (Julian) almost supressed the Christianity and revived the paganism while his successor, Emperor Jovian again re-established the Christianity as the official religion.

    These are only couple excerpts from the (unknown) history. It would be good if readers acknowledge that something else exists apart from US or to specify that they talk only about the status of Christianity in US.

  34. A waste of time since the Messiah (Christ) was not born on December 25th. Sheperds arent out in the fields with their flock at that time of the year in Israel (where the birth took place). There is no records of Christmas being celebrated u til the Roman Catholic Church. It was simply a way to appease their pagan subjects who had pagan festivals at the winter solstice – some of which had to deal with birthof gods. Christmas has nothing to do with the bible and is a Catholic creation. In fact – many Prostants refused to celebrate. Many of the religious refugees that fled Europe and went to what became the US – refused to celebrate it because they considered it Catholic. Christmas is popular because it is a pagan holiday. Its “universal”.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  35. padre says:

    Why doesn’t surprise me, that Jews are behind it, after all it’s a well known fact, that they don’t like Coca Cola!

  36. GeeBee says:
    @Icy Blast

    If Jesus wasn’t a Jew then there is no likelihood at all that Saul of Tarsus would have selected him for the role of ‘poster-boy’ in his scheme of selling his syncretic melding of Judaism and the eastern mystery religions for consumption by gentiles (who, not uncoincidentally, were at the time gagging for a new religion, and were only put off signing up to the Jewish faith because of the Mosaic law, whereby they would have had to submit to the rite of circumcision). Thus, he needed a well-known Jewish potential candidate for their ‘messiah’ figure (of which there were plenty in first-century Judea), whom he could transmogrify into a sort of Jewish Attis or Mithras, or perhaps Osiris, or in order to form the focal point of this curious enterprise. Whether Saul was ‘sham, showman or shaman’, as John Ashton posits in his The Religion of Paul the Apostle, is largely immaterial to your point. Saul of Tarsus was without doubt the founder of Christianity as we know it today and he would never have selected a gentile poster-boy for his little scheme.

    When the reverse-engineered ‘gospels’ were produced, in order to fill the void concerning the Christ figure’s actual life (of which Saul had mentioned almost nothing), they represented him – despite the fact that those who wrote these gospels (many of which were never selected to form the canon that became the New Testament) were Greek speakers who knew no Hebrew – as being profoundly Jewish. It is impossible to make any sort of a case to the contrary, especially when these Greek-speaking writers made a very specific point of their poster-boy saying that ‘not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all is accomplished’, as is stated in Matthew Ch. 5.

    In the endlessly fissiparous text of the bible, there are of course as many interpretations of almost any of its thirty thousand verses as there are scribes who have commented upon this ‘inerrant word of God’. They seem not to realise that the more they muddy the waters in this way, the less anyone is likely to regard these scriptures as inerrant, much less the work of an infallible deity. As Voltaire memorably put it, the writers of the gospels ‘tortured ancient Jewish scripture until it confessed to meanings that were never there’.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Sebastian Hawks
  37. JamesinNM says:

    Romans 2:28-29: after Christ’s birth, death, and resurrection, real Jews are any born again Christian regardless of ethnic heritage who have changed hearts.

    Revelation 2:9 and 3:9: false Jews are the synagogue of Satan, serving Satan and his fallen angels.

  38. Mike Tre says:
    @gay troll

    Homosexuality is the most unnatural, civilization wrecking mental illness in existence. The moral thing for all homosexuals to do is to either submit themselves for voluntary castration or simply kill themselves.

    As with negroes and Jews, fear of government retribution has given homosexuals a sense of power that again does not naturally exist. When the state no longer has the means to protect you feces obsessed degenerates, nature will correct itself, harshly.

    And you weren’t born that way. You were very likely sexually abused as a child and you no doubt will seek opportunities to continue the pattern with children yourself. That’s is the legacy of the homo: child buggery.

    • Agree: G J T, brandybranch
  39. @notoneofthem

    “B.C.” and “A.D.” somehow became the burdensome “B.C.E.” and “C.E.”. It is interesting how they chose the word “Common” to replace “Christ”.

    Anglo-parochialism. In other European languages, old BC/AD were mostly replaced by something like “new era” in Slavic languages, or in German “our time counting”- BCE is vor unserer Zeitrechnung; in French, avant notre ère. So, in most European languages there is no mention of Christ in modern usage, but instead we use “our ” or “new”, generally. Without any Jewish influence. Sometimes, to solemnly proclaim our cultural continuity, Christ is explicitly mentioned (before Christ, after Christ (not Latin Anno Domini)- literally).

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  40. Having been born in the 50s and grew up in the 60s, every year my family and I always partake of two long traditions: at the end of October, a day or so before Halloween, we watch, “It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown” and just before Christmas, we watch, “A Charlie Brown Christmas”.

    And every time I do, I am always surprised by the very Christian messages of both programs: The Great Pumpkin with its message of tireless and self-sacrificing faith despite disappointments and the open ridicule of all of those around you; and (as the author points out), “A Charlie Brown Christmas”s open assertion that the Christmas season is about the birth of Christ, and as Linus points out, about joy, glad tidings, peace on Earth, and good will towards our fellow man.

    The humor is high-level, elevating the kids who watched these two shows, rather than debasing them or sinking into childishness, such that they represent (to my mind at least) two shining examples of what excellent children’s entertainment can be about.

    And as I recall, at least one of the producers was Jewish, too.

    So not all Jews are evil Christmas-crapping folks, and we need to remember that, especially so close to the holiday that bears Christ’s name. Yes, there are such nasties out there, and we should be aware of that, no doubt. But there are many who are just like us: who embrace Christmas as a time for sharing and caring with those we love, a time to uplift ourselves when winter’s gloom can make us likewise dark and sad and depressed and wanting to semi-hibernate, and most importantly, to remember that the real essence of Christmas, as Linus reminds us, is about striving for peace on Earth and good will towards our fellow man. And that starts with our own attitudes and our actions, and transcends all beliefs and mythologies to unite us in a truly worthwhile and common goal.

    Merry Christmas to all!

    • Agree: Fred777
  41. @Blubb

    That is false. Paganism was always around the “Jewish world” as Rome controlled the whole area. The epistles of the Apostles warn the new Gentile believers not to get sucked back into their former pagan traditions and try to worship the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Christmas is a Roman Catholic sanctioned holiday that has nothing to do with the bible. I often disagree with “gay troll” – but he is completely right on that.

    • Thanks: Angharad
  42. @notoneofthem

    Thank you for the remark on BC/AD vs. the burdensome version, NOOT. Peak Stupidity has been railing on that little tidbit of Political Correctness for a long time. See “Political Correctness smudges the history books.”. Yes, I have to keep a pen on hand when reading history books out of the library. When it comes to the internet, if someone starts in with that CE/BCE shit, I will usually quit reading then and there.

    It’s a small thing, but then that’s what they’ll tell you, “it’s a small thing. Don’t get so annoyed at everything”. One small thing at a time, is the way it works, until the Commies feel confident they have won out… as is the case now…

    • Replies: @notoneofthem
  43. Robjil says:
    @GeeBee

    As Voltaire memorably put it, the writers of the gospels ‘tortured ancient Jewish scripture until it confessed to meanings that were never there’.

    Here is another saying from Voltaire. This sums up the article that we are reading. Why do many Jews hate the people that they live with. This has been going on for centuries. The Hasids hatred of Christmas Eve is good example. Jews lived in the Polish Kingdom for hundreds of years, grew in great numbers, given a lot of freedom to do what they want and they still hated their neighbors with a passion.
    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/20640

    “The Jews are an ignorant and barbarous people, who have long united the most sordid avarice with the most detestable superstition and the most invincible hatred for every people by whom they are tolerated and enriched.”
    ― Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary

  44. There are, roughly, 666 million unhappy;py folks who spend their Christmas season trying to disprove the accurate historical date of The Incarnation by citing the Shepherds in the field and claiming that “it was too cold” and so that proves Jesus wasn’t born on the 25th and that date really is the date of Sol Invictus which means the Catholic Church is suffused with paganism blah, blah, blah…

    Well, here is an impeachable source in that the source is Jewish and he wrote a book (I think it was more’n 100 years ago) that proves that there WERE shepherds in the field with their flocks at that time – and that they were their tending their sheep who were intended for sacrifice – talk about an unintended proof of birth of The Saviour, The Lamb of God, who was to die for our sins as an act of propitiation (not expiation).

    In any event, here is Edelsheim: Alfred Edersheim, in his “The Life and Times of Jesus”

    And yet Jewish tradition may here prove both illustrative and helpful. That the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem, was a settled conviction. Equally so, was the belief , that He was to be revealed from Migdal Eder, ‘the tower of the flock.’ This Migdal Eder was not the watchtower for the ordinary flocks which pastured on the barren sheepground beyond Bethlehem, but lay close to the town, on the road to Jerusalem. A passage in the Mishnah [951] leads to the conclusion, that the flocks, which pastured there, were destined for Temple-sacrifices [952], and, accordingly, that the shepherds, who watched over them, were not ordinary shepherds. The latter were under the ban of Rabbinism, on account of their necessary isolation from religious ordinances, and their manner of life, which rendered strict legal observance unlikely, if not absolutely impossible. The same Mishnaic passage also leads us to infer, that these flocks lay out all the year round, since they are spoken of as in the fields thirty days before the Passover — that is, in the month of February, when in Palestine the average rainfall is nearly greatest.

    Thus, Jewish tradition in some dim manner apprehended the first revelation of the Messiah from that Migdal Eder, where shepherds watched the Temple-flocks all the year round. Of the deep symbolic significance of such a coincidence, it is needless to speak.

    It was, then, on that ‘wintry night’ of the 25th of December, that shepherds watched the flocks destined for sacrificial services, in the very place consecrated by tradition as that where the Messiah was to be first revealed.
    +++++++++++++++++=

    Do the unhappy folk realise the Solstice is Dec 22

    The Catholic Church had the acts of the enrollment (before Rome was burned) and used those to prove Mary and Jospeh went to Bethlehem etc.

    • Thanks: R2b
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  45. It’s gotten ridiculous now with the word “holiday” replacing Christmas. So you hear things like “holiday carols” or “holiday gifts” as though people sing songs, give gifts or make special foods for new year.

    Having lived in several non Christian countries, I can say that most people like Christmas and find it fun and happy even if they’re not on board with the baby Jesus part. The war on Christmas is being waged by one group only.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Guest145
  46. Trickster says:
    @gay troll

    I told UR readers many times Gay Troll was GAY, was a TROLL and was a JUJU. No one believed the Trickster. Now you have the confirmation from the Gay’s own mouth.

    Dont say you were not warned about this Quisling, this snoop lurking around UR, sticking his big nose into every article, reading the comments with his beady rodent eyes, and playing with his curls.

    Thank you for coming out of your closet. The truth will set you free ! What;s the weather like on the Mediterranean coast this time of year.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  47. @Biff

    Christmas was grafted onto the old Pagan winter solstice festival called Noel when Europeans were Christianized. Likewise Easter was grafted onto the old Pagan spring fertility festival.

    Neither the supposed birthday nor the “resurrection” of Jesus the Israelite has anything to do with Whites.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @LarryS
  48. Trickster says:
    @Mike Tre

    Gay Troll can trace his ancestry back through a long line of Queers. The very fact that he can chose a handle like that…….. on this site supports………… supports without qualification your comment.

    These people are vile, disgusting, twisted, degenerate slime and the Troll is the Queen of them all.

    • Replies: @Gemjunior
  49. The current commercials tell me Santa is black. I don’t know that I want a brother to come down my chimney. Fear not, I have an excuse of a burning wood stove attached to the chimney. Nothing but love.

    Merry Christmas to all.

  50. gotmituns says:
    @RVBlake

    No, I just believe God is everywhere. There are not “gods,” just God. But I don’t care what anyone believes, Their beliefs are their business. I don’t even care about what jews believe. I’m just against their dirty tricks.

    • Replies: @turtle
  51. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @gay troll

    Mazel Tov. You know the rules say you have to reveal yourself as Satan first. Can’t help it, can you?

  52. Oemiktlob says:
    @Mike Tre

    “”When the state no longer has the means to protect you feces obsessed degenerates, nature will correct itself, harshly.”

    Agreed, the power of the state is the only thing that props-up and gives any legitimacy to the degeneracy and the degenerates. Of any type, really. And so, it logically follows that to eliminate or minimize the degeneracy and the degenerates of any type, the issue of the state must be dealt with.

    Thank you for posting this truth.

  53. Polemos says:
    @Dumbo

    Rob Ager has a few videos on YouTube exploring the imagery, myth, and themes in Gremlins. A good clip of a much longer piece is this:

    There are a lot of ways to read Connelly’s essay when it brings Gremlins along for the ride with Ager’s point here about technology, corporate hubris, narrative management, and Ager’s point in the larger analysis (not on YouTube but on his website) that gremlins in the movie portray a diabolical force of intelligence and cunning and genius (in the classic sense too¡) who are genuinely malign and cruel.

    Add in the additional commentary (see ivan’s comment #25) about capitalism as a global phenomenon and a larger subtle commentary here about a certain ethnocentrism persisting as capital’s sublimated ideology of fixing the world from its mistakes so to turn a profit for those with Power. There are larger orientations at work, from Bardon Kaldian’s addition regarding a (uncoordinated?) change in how Our Era becomes ours to Brás Cubas and our Orthodox-referring anonymous pointing to already changing mythologies and their invariants. (Perhaps: Santa is already a shell of a Christ, Santa as simulacrum of an image of a man modeling what God demands of Himself, so consider the further humiliation of the shell to be, so the pious say, yet more antitheism, yet another hatred of revelation that God exists and He had a penis at the time.) — capital profits from efficiencies arising from systematic accumulation of material knowledge, yet the inherent cyclic destruction and (re) creation of the underlying material world conflicts with the organizing logics of any capital system (just like every body fights against its own programmed cellular death), so the constant living process of reorganizing substrates to match ideological form gives rise to genuine personified forms of thought and intention: the corporate spirit who speaks with money (Citizens United as Rousseau’s general will? as Hobbes’ Mortal God? as Weil’s Party? as Kojima’s Patriots?) as well as the machine spirits who infest the complexity with their own breaking-technology (Anonymous or mercenary hackers unleashing the Cyberpandemic when SolarWinds’ crisis explodes Brazil-style, because even the weather modifying tools were exposed).

    I’m probably really carried away, but come further. These themes of gremlins, demons, subversives beneath and behind the obversive and produced real, reveal our own daemonic inclinations (essence? genesis? influence?) just as our shadow selves mirror not only how we move to shine the light onto our observations but our own obstruction of it. Our most transparent tool as humans will for a long time be language. Our ghosts and goblins will continue haunting us just as Nietzsche’s dead God lived on in grammar.

    It is in our broken tools where our demons get at us, because we are all our demons, we are all our tools. You are more than your physical body. We forget this, sometimes again on purpose.

    Rewatching that Ager video also prompted me to notice in the Lithgow remake of the classic “There’s someone on the wing!” Twilight Zone short that in the scene where Lithgow opens the window

    and there’s cuts from one face to the other, for a very short but distinct moment Lithgow’s eyes bulge out (“Tell ’em Large Marge sent ya! laughs” ). He is already sweating profusely, his hair disturbed and slick, and his bared teeth shine when he opens his mouth: he sees himself in the black mirror as he looks out the window and the psychotic break he experiences from self-recognition breaks the narratival constraints of the movie and reveal —once again, that we are looking at our own imagination as cartoon. Gremlins in this sense is our own neuroses given full autonomous thoughtform, who can only exist as irredeemable cartoonish caricatures of something from the other side.

    Hmm.

    Projection onto the shadow self Other results from not only a failure to own self-recognition but also from a lack of genuine love for others, self and our Oneness in each other. They are as much victims of our projections as we of theirs, but ultimately we’re still here because we haven’t relinquished our secret faith in Power.

    See you a Round! ☸️

  54. Dumbo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    This is not completely true. In most Latin languages it is still a.C. / d.C.

    (And I would bet Jews were involved in the changes in France and Germany, unless they just copied it from Anglos, which would end up being the same)

    What lack of guts has a civilization that cannot even mention the main reason why they changed their calendar.

    “Common era”, what does it even mean anyway? If the counting starts from the birth of Christ?

    Fuck the Revolutionary Jews, and fuck the gutless Cuck Whites who are oh-so-enlightened that they can’t defend even their own civilization and traditions.

    Oh and Merry Christmas.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  55. gay troll says:
    @Mike Tre

    That’s is the legacy of the homo: child buggery.

    That is no way to talk about your lord and savior. And on his birthday no less!

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  56. gay troll says:
    @Trickster

    You disgrace your own religion. I could tolerate Christianity if it stuck to love and non judgment as Jesus commands. But when dimwits like you trot out the prejudice and hatred, I remember that I am doing God’s work (and not Yahweh’s) to oppose you. Your not uncommon attitude is to assume everyone who opposes the Bible is a Jew. Without getting into how much of a hypocrite this makes you, I will just say that your inability to perceive reality makes you a danger to yourself and others. I am not Jewish in the least, and whether you actually believe that, or merely desire to insult me, either way you have lost touch with reality as well as the teachings of Christ, leaving you with less than nothing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. Agent76 says:

    December 24, 2020 The Spirit of Christmas: War Criminals George W. Bush and Tony Blair Banned from the Birthplace of Jesus Christ

    May the Spirit of Christmas prevail in criminalizing war and bringing the war criminals to justice. Our thoughts during the Christmas period are with the millions of victims of US-NATO led wars and those waged by Israel against the people of Palestine.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-spirit-of-christmas-bush-banned-from-birthplace-of-jesus-christ/4179

    Oct 1, 2020 Bring Our Troops Home

    19th Year Anniversary of “Boots On The Ground” in Afghanistan

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  58. Rurik says:

    I wanted to post a picture of what Christmas means to me.

    Tradition, a general feeling of well-being and good will towards all.

    Love, if you find it in Jesus, or just sitting near the Yule log’s warmth with your loved ones.

    Also, a demure hope that Unz doesn’t have the photo at the top of this article on display tomorrow.

    The irony of Christmas being characterized in such a way, on Christmas, would be unfortunate.

    And I’ll leave you all with this scene from a great movie about the Christmas spirit, and perhaps why it drives ((them)) insane with rage, because these goyim are supposed to be spilling each other’s entrails on the frozen ground, not celebrating good will towards men and singing and drinking in brotherhood.

    regardless of where the traditions came from, it is this spirit of fraternity and good will and tradition and family, that they hate, and attempt to deprave.

    A more stark contrast between their motivating principle, and ours, it’s hard to reconcile.

    Merry Christmas to you all!

  59. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @gay troll

    Rebutting the pagan shibboleth: In Defense of Christmas
    by Brother André Marie June 27, 2005 http://catholicism.org/defense-of-christmas.html

    [MORE]

    Today’s skeptics, who seem to reject something traditional just because it’s traditional, cannot sit still during the holy season of Christmas without mocking the notion that Christ would have been born on December 25th. If it were just the unbelievers who engaged in this mockery, it would be expected, since unbelievers, by their very nature, are not expected to believe. More troubling is the fact that, like evolution and all other modern atheistic fantasies, this one has seeped through the all-too narrow wall separating Catholics from the rest of the world. The anti-Christmas myth, which makes a myth out of Christmas, is being foisted on Catholic children as fact. To benefit these, and any Christian who respects piety, history, Scripture, and Tradition, we present our defense of Christmas.

    Since there is no date for the Nativity recorded in Holy Scripture, we rely on the testimony of the Church Fathers and of history to get an answer to the question, “When did Christmas take place?”

    First, let us see the essential significance of the Savior’s birth at the time usually attributed to it. The winter solstice, the astronomical event which recurs every year, is traditionally said to be the birthday of the Messias. To elucidate the meaning of this fact, we will turn to Saint Gregory of Nyssa (+ 385 or 386): “On this day, which the Lord hath made, darkness decreases, light increases, and night is driven back again. No, brethren, it is not by chance, nor by any created will, that this natural change begins on the day when He shows Himself in the brightness of His coming, which is the spiritual Life of the world. It is Nature revealing, under this symbol, a secret to them whose eye is quick enough to see it; to them, I mean, who are able to appreciate this circumstance, of our Savior’s coming. Nature seems to me to say: “Know, oh man! that under the things which I show thee, mysteries lie concealed. Hast thou not seen the night, that had grown so long, suddenly checked? Learn hence, that the black night of Sin, which had reached its height, by the accumulation of every guilty device, is this day, stopped in its course. Yes, from this day forward, its duration shall be shortened until at length there shall be naught but Light. Look, I pray thee, on the Sun; and see how his rays are stronger and his position higher in the heavens: Learn from that how the other Light, the Light of the Gospel, is now shedding itself over the whole earth.” (Homily On the Nativity)

    Saint Augustine, a Western Father, concurs with Gregory, the Easterner: “Let us, my brethren, rejoice, this day is sacred, not because of the visible sun, but because of the Birth of Him Who is the invisible Creator of the sun. He chose this day whereon to be born, as He chose the Mother of whom to be born, and He made both the day and the Mother. The day He chose was that on which the light begins to increase, and it typifies the work of Christ, who renews our interior man day by day. For the eternal Creator, having willed to be born in time, His birthday would necessarily be in harmony with the rest of creation.” (Sermon On the Nativity of Our Lord iii) Similar sentiments are echoed by St. Ambrose, St. Leo, St. Maximus of Turin, and St. Cyprian.

    To further the beauty of this mysterious agreement between grace and nature, Catholic commentators have shown this to be a marvelous fulfillment of the utterance of St. John the Baptist, the Voice who heralded the Word: “He must increase, but I must decrease.” Literally fulfilled by the ending of the Precursor’s mission and the beginning of the Savior’s, this passage had its spiritual fulfillment in the celebration of John’s feast on the 24th of June, three days after the summer solstice. As St. Augustine put it: “John came into this world at the season of the year when the length of the day decreases; Jesus was born in the season when the length of the day increases.” (Sermon In Natali Domini xi).

    Lest anyone find all this Astronomy to reek of paganism, we remind him that in Genesis, it is recorded: “And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. ” Further, the Magi, those holy men from the East, who came to greet the Expectation of the Nations, were led thence by a star.

    “But,” you may say, “the winter solstice is on the 21st of December, not the 25th.” Correct. But if, from the time of the Council of Nicea (325) to that of Gregory XIII’s reform of the calendar (1582), there was a 10 day discrepancy between the calendar and the actual astronomical pattern governing it, then it is entirely possible that a four-day discrepancy had occurred between our Lord’s birth and the Council. We illustrate this possibility as follows: The calendar that many of the Greek schismatics still follow (the Julian calendar), is presently fourteen days off from the Gregorian. This additional four day discrepancy from Gregory’s time has happened over about 400 years.

    But now for the meat of the issue: when did it happen? According to St. John Chrysostom, the foundation for the Nativity occurring on the 25th of December is a strong one. In a Christmas Sermon, he shows that the Western Chruches had, from the very commencement of Christianity, kept the Feast on that day. This fact bears great weight to the Doctor, who adds that the Romans, having full access to the census taken by Augustus Caesar (Luke 2, 1) — which was in the public archives of the city of Rome — were well versed in their history on this point. A second argument he adduces thusly: The priest Zachary offered incense in the month of Tisri, the seventh of the Hebrew calendar, corresponding with the end of our September or the beginning of our October. (This he most likely knew from details of the temple rites which were transmitted to him by a living tradition, supported by Holy Scripture.) At that same time, St. Luke tells us that Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist. Since, according to the Bible, Our Blessed Lady conceived in the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy (the end of March: when we celebrate the Feast of the Incarnation), then she gave birth nine months later: the end of December.

    Having no reason to doubt the great Chrysostom, or any of the other Fathers mentioned; in fact, seeing objections issued only by heretics and cynics, we agree with the learned Doctor and conclude that, by God’s Providence, His Church has correctly commemorated the Feast of His Nativity.

    Further, as the continuity of the Old Testament with the New Testament was preserved in two of the principal feasts of the New: Easter corresponding to the Pasch and Pentecost to Pentecost (same name in both dispensations), it would have been unlikely for the Birth of the Eternal God into our world not to have had a corresponding feast in the Old Testament. Until the time of the Machabees, when the temple was re-dedicated after its desecration by the Greek Antiochus IV, Antiochus Epiphanes (see 1 Machabees 4). One hundred and sixty-seven years before Jesus, the commemoration was instituted according to what was written: “And Judas, and his brethren, and all the church of Israel decreed, that the day of the dedication of the altar should be kept in its season from year to year for eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month of Casleu, with joy and gladness.” (I Macc. 4, 59) To this day, Jews celebrate the twenty-fifth of Casleu (or Kislev, as they say) as the first night of Hannukah. This year (5757 in the Jewish calendar), 25 Casleu was on December 12. Even though the two calendars are not in sync, Christmas and Hannukah are always in close vicinity. With the Festival of Lights instituted less than two centuries before Our Lord’s advent, the Old Testament calendar joined nature in welcoming the Light of the world on his birthday.

    As for the objection, “Jesus couldn’t have been born in the winter, since the shepherds were watching their flocks, which they couldn’t have done in winter”: This is really no objection. Palestine has a very mild climate, and December 25 is early enough in winter for the flocks and the shepherds to be out. The superior of our monastery, Brother Francis Maluf, grew up 30 miles from Beirut, which has the same climate as Bethlehem, both being near the Mediterranean coast, and he has personally testified to this fact.

    • Thanks: R2b
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  60. @Anonymous

    No, don’t make them the same “date” every year but day of the week so holidays can coincide to make a long weekend like we do with Thanksgiving, Labor, and Memorial Day. Nothing is worse than having to go in to work on Monday, having “Tuesday off”, then having to go back to work for another three days. I guess kind of hard to do for the 4th of July but can the Christmas vacation run Thursday-Sunday like Thanksgiving too?

  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    I even remember an 80s Christmas episode of Remington Steele where they all got taken hostage in the office by a gun totting Santa.

  62. @gay troll

    It is about the strength of love, the New Covenant, and joy of communion with friends and loved ones

    • Thanks: R2b
  63. Metzitzah b’peh Cult, aka Jew/Jewish, have severed their innocence in earth nature’s human beings. When the brain has been traumatized at birth, the 8 systems in the physical body are imbalanced. It’s going to be a very long time before our planet heals from the cannibalization via “religions”. Practicing an energy discipline is a good starting point. See Lao Tzu Tao Te Ching, and T’ai Chi (Wu Dang Mountain’s Hermit). Best to pity the spiritually disabled (“religious dogma”) and do the best possible healing art/s to grow wholeness in our reality/ies.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  64. Oemiktlob says:
    @Rurik

    Merry Christmas, Rurik. Peace.

  65. @GeeBee

    While yes I think the Jesus story is bunk, the hostility towards Christmas coming from these Jewish Filmmakers is motivated by a hatred of ordinary Whites. Why else would they so go after Santa and Mistletoe too after they so successfully purged the Nativity from the popular culture?

    • Agree: GeeBee
  66. turtle says:
    @Brás Cubas

    https://genius.com/Tom-lehrer-a-christmas-carol-lyrics

    Hark, the Herald Tribune sings
    Advertising wondrous things
    God rest ye merry merchants
    May ye make the Yuletide pay
    Angels we have heard on high
    Tell us to go out and – buy!

    Pretty much sums it up.

  67. @Dumbo

    “ produce trashy films year after year, and people (goyim) lap it up.”

    Well said. Nobody can blame evil for doing what it is supposed to do. Most people forget that connivance with, or approval of evil is what feeds evil the energy that it requires for its nefarious enterprise. Will the goys simply boycott Hollyweird and any screen work that deviates from decency? Will they ever decide to fill their idle time with decent pursuits in the interest of caring, peace, joy and liberty? The zeitgeist of the West does not look like it is ready for such a cataclysmic change.

    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
  68. Mike Tre says:
    @gay troll

    Nice try, but I’m not particularly religious. But since you mentioned it, the Catholic priest sexual abuse scandals were about homosexual priests sodomizing young teenage boys.

    So I appreciate you bringing it up .

  69. turtle says:
    @gotmituns

    Spounds more like “Cosmotheism” to me.

    William Pierce version:

    Cosmotheism is a religion which positively asserts there is an internal meaning and purpose in life and in the cosmos. There is an essential unity, or consciousness that binds all living beings and all of the inorganic cosmos, as one. And what our true identity is this: we are the cosmos, made self-aware and self-conscious by evolution. Our undeniable human purpose, is to know and to complete ourselves as conscious individuals, and also as a self-aware species, and thereby to co-evolve with the cosmos towards total and universal awareness, and towards the ever-higher perfection of consciousness and being.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cosmotheism

    or, if you prefer Carl Sagan:

    Humans are a way the universe can come to know itself.
    We are made of star stuff.*

    *paraphrased from memory, Not an exact quote.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  70. TGD says:

    On the subject of Christmas movies, the 1947 movie, Miracle on 34th Street, comes to mind. It’s a story about a little girl (played by a young Natalie Wood) who doesn’t believe that a department store Santa (played by Edmund Gwenn) can conjure up a nice house for her and her mother. Gwenn’s character’s name is “Kris Kringle,” a placeholder for the “Christkind,” who brings gifts to children.

    It’s a heart warming movie shown every year on TV around Christmas. When the movie originally came out, it was condemned by the “Legion of Decency” of the Roman Catholic Church, one of 3- 1947 movie so condemned. Ostensibly this was because Maureen O’Hara played a woman who was divorced but I believe that the real reason was O’Hara’s uttering the line, “Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not too…”

    The screenwriter, George Seaton, captured the essence of religion and religionism in that line.

  71. @Rurik

    Hi Rurik,

    “ because these goyim are supposed to be spilling each other’s entrails on the frozen ground, not celebrating good will towards men and singing and drinking in brotherhood”

    The most courageous and gracious act of the much feared German imperial army during the first winter of WWI was the breach of the fighting initiated by the German troops when they marched towards the enemy line singing Christmas songs on Christmas Eve. What followed was a great triumph of the goodwill of man over the most odious evil that set Europe on fire with brother killing brother. Enemy troops and officers were singing, eating and drinking together as if the war never happened. What a pity the spirit of Christmas did not lead to the burning of munitions accompanied by a court procedure that put every agitator and war profiteer in prison for life.

    Thank for this wonderful a Christmas message and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  72. I would not assume that Terry Zwigoff, the director of Bad Santa, set out to subvert the Christian holiday of Jesus’ birth.

    Terry Zwigoff has made two, if not more, (if you count Bad Santa and Ghost World) very important American films. Perhaps Bad Santa does not live up that status, but certainly his documentary about blues musician Howard Armstrong “Louie Bluie” and his other documentary about R. Crumb (“Crumb”), satisfy the requirements of great American.

    “Crumb” is, in my mind, the quintessential documentary- biopic par excellence, the style of which has oft-been imitated but never duplicated. And it is of a fascinating subject. R. Crumb is a great American artist. An artist that the Aussie art-critic Robert Hughes called a modern day Bruegel, who drew from his own fractured, American upbringing and from the alienation of modernity interrogated in the works of Jewish author Franz Kafka. And, oddly, Kafka, himself, wrestled with very anti-Jewish feelings, once wishing in his writing to strangle, himself, the Jewish people. Complicated, to say the least.

    The wealth that R. Crumb was able to gather for himself allowed a body of work later in his career as an artist which is scathing in its indictment of modern America and its twin evil pillars of marketting and politically-correct culture.

    But perhaps once Zwigoff steered away from interesting American artists, and into narrative films, that he lost steam or, worse, revealed himself as a force similar to that put forth by the op, a Jewish filmmaker with a bone to pick when it comes to wholesome Christian representation in film. But I think it is personally more complicated with Zwigoff.

    In Bad Santa, there is a very innocent, light-haired boy who meets Thorton’s Bad Santa character and immediately latches on to him. At first, Thorton’s Santa takes advantage of the boy’s naivety, but soon comes to feel for the boy’s pitiful vulnerability. In the next scenes towards the end of the film, Santa physically assaults some underage juveniles who were bullying the young boy. As a youth, I laughed. But perhaps now, maybe distasteful. The film culminates in the shootout, where Santa is racing home to the boy to not disappoint him.

    At bottom, the story is about a sinner who comes to see the redemptive light of this child. Hardly subversive to Christmas I would say. Wholesome? No.

    I would liken some of the op’s points to similar criticism leveled at the early iteration of the Simpsons on Fox. The common thread of these was the inability to make it through the obscenities of the episodes to the beautifully-arranged endings where a universal moral emerges and the “nucular” family is affirmed.

  73. @Rurik

    Well, sorry to plagiarise; the link to the movie did not open until after I finished my post. Thanks again for having this telepathy with me about the event I have always considered the zenith of White, Christian civilisation.

  74. @gay troll

    The Christians stole Yuletide is nonsense anyway (Celts largely celebrated mid solstice/mid equinox for instance) but even if they did that’s still 1,500 years of tradition to not abandon with added syncretism from the past.

    Hating Christianity is hardly a pro western position. Even if you are not religious if you don’t recognise the choral music, the churches, the cathedrals and the influence in general as being an important part of our history then what exactly of the West are you preserving? The last ten years?

    • Replies: @Reaper
  75. Angharad says:
    @Blubb

    Santa is actually Odin, dear. Santa’s flying reindeer are really Sleipnir, Odin’s 8-legged horse.

    As far as the “hatred of Christianity” – why wouldn’t we hate the centuries and centuries of idiotic, treacherous Golem, who fundamentally have done nothing but kill and destroy EVERYTHING, for the benefit of the Jew?

    • Agree: Reaper, gay troll
  76. Oemiktlob says:
    @Joe Levantine

    “Will the goys…?” “Will they ever…?”

    I have to say probably not. It seems that intellectual honesty is, by-and-large, a remnant of a by-gone era. The victim mentality has infested every nook and cranny of daily life and culture and very few individuals are willing to take personal responsibility for much. I get it, each of us tries to avoid pain because, well, it’s painful, but sooner or later a price is going to be paid for the lack of acceptance of personal responsibility.

    Generally speaking, Americans have gone from being producers of many wonderful and useful things to gluttonous consumers of everything unhealthy.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  77. @Dumbo

    Per Ann Coulter years ago*, saying Merry Christmas to a New Yorker these days is pretty much the same as saying “Fuck you!” So, Mr. Dumbo, fuck you to you and yours, and have a better ’21!

    ;-}

    .

    PS: I doubt you’re a NYer, but I guess I can still use this greeting. Oh, and keep your pen handy for written material with the CE crap.

    .

    * Probably in one of those VDare posts I linked to above.

  78. Anon[188] • Disclaimer says:

    A messiah that will save everyone who asks him into their heart isn’t what the Jews wanted. They dont want to share heaven with the goyim. They were not glad to see the goyim repent. The goyim were like the prodigal son who repented. His father (like God) was glad he repented but his pious brother wasn’t glad like he should have been. The pious brother (like the Jews) should have been glad the partying brother found his way back to God, but has been trying to undermine him ever since with cultural temptations so he will fall again ( with filth culture). Jesus was the Messiah for everybody. God loves everybody and goyim are not animals in human form but men descended from Mesopotamia like Abraham was.

    If Abraham could only come back and see what the Talmudists (born in the Babylonian captivity) have done. Abraham was not described as a man who hated everybody. He even tried to beg God to spare even Sodom and Gommorah, and managed to pull a few of the righteous there out before the sulfur. God wants all to come to him. Dont try to prevent it. If you do, you are in that synagogue of Satan Christ mentioned. I think we all remember what Christ did to the moneychangers at the Temple (think about that you adherents of the prosperity Gospel). The messiah has already came, he loves everybody, not merely 3% of the human race.

    • Disagree: Garliv
    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
    , @Garliv
  79. @gay troll

    Yahweh hates humanity.

    Yes, in a certain sense, that is why the new testament was written. As I understand it, because, of their experiences as a people, the Hebrews first imagined an old testament god that was vengeful and capricious, demanding total loyalty from his subjects, similar to the rulers they lived under. After a while, this no longer satisfied people, so a new, more forgiving message had to be created to capture their attention – a second chapter, delivered by the “son” of god, who is in reality just the ancient sun god, the universal source of all life, in disguise. Naturally, his birth would want to occur on the winter solstice.

    To call this fraud is, I think, misleading . . it’s easier to see what’s going on here by viewing it as a process of psychological evolution. Here’s a reference if you’re interested – well worth reading for anyone wanting to understand the history of these religions :

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  80. @Rurik

    Great movie (and historic reality)! Thanks, Rurik. Merry Christmas.

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @Rurik
  81. @Rurik

    Thank you, Rurik…multumesc din inima…I have tears in my eyes…God Bless You…Dumnezeu sa te binecuvanteze…A link to this, in order to send over the phone to my friends, please…?…Merry Christmas, brother(s)/sister(s)…Craciun Fericit…from Central Wisconsin…

    • Replies: @Rurik
  82. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The hollowcost is to Jews what slavery is to blacks – the perfect way to lay guilt trips on whites to turn them into spineless cucks. And it’s succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The average white is a guilt ridden, sniveling, obese, drug addled, cuck idiot who gets his “news” from the (((media))) and wallows in self hatred and stupidity.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  83. Reaper says:
    @Blubb

    This is not just Christmas, but most Christian holidays/ celebrations which have pagan origin.
    Actually dates and traditions stolen from existing religions and customs to made it more alike, less different more adoptable.

    The simple reason was: general folks at the beginning did not care much how a certain thing called, when they in most cases do the same in the same time.

    Yule – Midwinter:
    Yule celebrations and traditions at the winter solstice predate Christianity by thousands of years.
    There are numerous references to Yule in the Icelandic sagas, and in other ancient accounts testifying to how Yule was actually celebrated. It was a time for feasting, giving gifts, drinking, and dancing.
    The Yule holiday is the most important and popular of all the native Germanic spiritual celebrations. Yule marks the return of the god Baldur from the realm of Hel and the loosening of winters grip on the frozen earth.
    The commencement of the Yuletide celebration has no set date, but is traditionally 12 days long with the start of the festivities beginning at sunset on the winter solstice (in the northern hemisphere, this date usually falls on or around December 20). This Germanic heathen holiday was forcibly stolen by early Christian missionaries and became known as the “12 days of Christmas.”
    The first night of Yule is called Mothernight, when Frigga and the Disir (female ancestral spirits) are especially honored. Mothers Night is appropriately named, as it represents the rebirth of the world from the darkness of winter. This is the date with the shortest day and the longest night of the year. A traditional vigil from dusk to dawn is held on the Mothers night to make sure the sun will rise again, and to welcome her when it does.
    Yule is the season when the gods and goddesses are closest to Midgard; our deities were called “Yule-Beings” by the Norse, and Odin himself is called Jólnir, the “Yule One,” which is where the image of Santa Claus is derived from. Yule is also the season during which the dead return to earth and share the feasts of the living. Elves, trolls, and other magical beings roam freely and must either be warded off or invited to come in friendship and peace. Yule is the time of the year at which the Wild Hunt, Odin’s host of the restless dead, rides most fiercely; it’s dangerous to meet them, but gifts of food and drink are left out for them, for they can also bring blessings and fruitfulness.
    Yule is a time for dancing, feasting, and family. Sun wheels are sometimes burned as part of folk festivities. It was the practice in Germanic heathen times to swear oaths on a hallowed boar. This survived in Swedish folk-custom; a large boar-shaped bread or block of wood covered with pigskin was brought forth at Yule for this purpose, even through the beginning of this century. Boar-cakes are used for Yule-oaths by most heathens today. Especially meaningful oaths were also sworn on the horn or cup while drinking at the Yule feast. The “New Year’s Resolution” is a diminished form of the holy Yule oath. The fir or pine tree, which is carried into the house and decorated, is an ancient Germanic custom, brought to America by German immigrants.
    The tree, on which holy gifts are hung, was heathen in origin, representing Yggdrasil. In Germany, those who kept the old custom hid it inside so church authorities wouldn’t notice, but in England and Scandinavia, the trees and various spirits received their gifts outside. In those latter countries, it was a candlelit and ribbon-bedecked wreath, the ring of which may have reflected the oath-ring or the Yule sun-wheel that was traditionally brought in to decorate the home. The Yule-log is also an old heathen custom. This log was supposed to burn all night during the longest night of the year to symbolize life lasting even in the time of greatest darkness, its fire rekindling the sun in the morning. Its ashes or pieces were used as protective amulets during the rest of the year. Those who lack large fireplaces often use 24-hour candles instead.
    The 12 days of Yule is largely devoted to baking cakes, cookies, breads, and making the unique decorations that beautify every heathen home at this holiday season. There are, for example, intricate paper cutouts to make and put on the walls, plus stars, wooden toys, straw goats, and wild boars to hang on the Yule tree. The straw animals, still widely found throughout Sweden, are intimately related to ancient Norse Germanic mythology, originating in legends of the sacred animals of the gods: the Goats of Thor (Yule Goat – “Julbock” in Swedish), and the Wild Boar of Freyr (Yule Boar – “Julgris” or “Julegris” in Swedish).
    Most of the symbols associated with the modern holiday of Christmas (such as the Yule log, Santa Claus and his elves, Christmas trees, the eating of ham, the wreath, holly, mistletoe, the star, etc.) are derived from traditional northern European heathen Yule celebrations. When the first Christian missionaries tried to force the Germanic peoples to Christianity, they found it easier to invent a Christian version for popular feasts such as Yule and allow the celebrations to go on largely unchanged, rather than attempting to suppress them. Halloween and Easter have been likewise assimilated from northern European Heathen religious festivals.

    This is ONE religion from the many Christians stolen from. But you hardly find ANY which existed in Eurasia and Middle East from 0 – 1200 which were not affected by stealing.
    Off course the Roman Empire did it always: assimilate what they find into theirs, as a way to conquer/ preserve their rule or destroy it when not fit to assimilation. Same story as Europe became Christian on the surface.

    At earliest point Christianity is Jewish origin, the reason it`s called Judeo-Christian. I suppose jews are not happy either when their some 5000 – 6000 years old religion stolen in parts by a new one. Later Christians stole whereever they were able to.
    Later comes Islam which done the same: stole from Jews and Christians and made a new religion. But at least they restrict themselves to stole from a limited area in Middle East, Asia, and Africa, less likely included European pagan religions (except elements which are already stolen by Christians by that time Islam created).

    So as for me I prefer the original European religions over some import from the Middle East no matter that is called Judaism, or Christianity, or Islam. Those are nor European nor white and the later two even newcomer – not ancient and as such stolen elements from the original ones.

    • Agree: Angharad
    • Thanks: gay troll, niceland
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    , @Angharad
  84. Oemiktlob says:
    @Anon

    You make some good points but if I may refine it a little bit: the Jews wanted a conquering King for their deluded selves but instead received (were blessed by) a humble servant of all. This was simply unacceptable to them, even to this day.

  85. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @gay troll

    Christianity is NOT “non-judgmental.”

    Perverts (and heretics) like to truncate Matthew 7:1-2. The full sentence reads: “Judge not, that you may not be judged, For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

    Matthew 7:1-2 is a prohibition of hypocritical double-standards, NOT a prohibition of judgments. While we may not judge the internal forum (we are not mind-readers), we are not merely free, but obliged to judge the objective external forum, what we see and hear.

    Sodomy is objectively a sin.

    • Agree: Garliv, Seraphim
    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @Polemos
  86. gotmituns says:
    @turtle

    For the most part, I’m just a simple man. I really don’t understand much of what you said. With me, it’s obey the laws of nature (his creation) and you’ll obey the laws God – you’ll be fine.

  87. Reaper says:
    @Eugene Norman

    Celtic also European.
    As Germanic, Slavic, Romuva, etc…
    Not some Middle East origin.

    To call a thief thief is no hate.
    Off course there was and will be always some look down on from the old towards the new. In this case towards a new religion.
    Off course there are far more ancient ones, Egypt, or some ancient Persian with at least 16,000 years but they are also not European, heritage for other people.

    “what exactly of the West are you preserving? The last ten years? ”
    What West – the last 300 years, or last 2000 years?
    History, morality, way of life, traditions, etc.. did not start in 0, no matter if it called BC.

    What even a very old person can see come from the west in his lifetime:
    Liberalism, feminism, forced equality, human rights, forced diversity, CRT, imperialism, capitalism, consumer society, legalization over tradition, LGBT++, modern, progresive, etc…

    So be sure many of us not pro-west because what it is at least in the past decades/ centuries.

    Jet still ally in other questions.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  88. @gar manar nar

    Radical Islamists do not care about books like Creation Myths. No dear friends, only those stupid westerners who think that stating everything they think is “false” about Christianity, will somehow lead them to a safe and enlightened place in the world. Understand this, when you leave ANY of the customs, traditions, beliefs, sentiments of the people whom you are connected to by birth or and historical origin, then you are treading on deadly ground and causing your culture, race, to tread on deadly ground. You weaken them directly at the foundation of what makes them strong. Egalitarianism in its extremes, is a poison…… This takes understanding and fools will dismiss it out of hand, of course.

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  89. gay troll says:
    @Anonymous

    True, Christ tells hypocrites not to be judgmental. But as he insists, his teachings are only for evil Jews. So you are wrong, he is explicitly telling them not to judge. He is addressing the very same homophobes who invented the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the first place, which was less about the sinfulness of those cities, and more about the fact that Yahweh was looking for any excuse to ransack Canaan for his pet people. Jesus also asks the Jews in the Gospels to understand those who are “born eunuch”, if they are able. Here he is explicitly telling them not to judge queer people. Technically Jesus Christ would regard your attitude as evil and Jewish. Which is why he warns you not to judge.

    If you want to continue this conversation then please define sodomy and explain why it is objectively sinful.

  90. pro-white pro-natal doesn’t have a swyer’s syndrome freemason on the cover.

  91. Of “the world’s three great Semitic religions” (T.E. Lawrence) I adhere to that of Christ, until otherwise directed by the government.

  92. DinoN says:
    @Dane Yorick

    What has the Prophet of Islam has to do with your Judeo/Christian dogs’ breakfast?

  93. Polemos says:
    @Anonymous

    Doesn’t Ezekiel say that God says the sin of Sodom was its arrogance, gluttony and lack of concern for the needy and the poor? He also says that the Hebrews of his time were far worse than their younger sister Sodom.

    If these things are objectively wrong, much of what the US is about is objectively wrong, right? and if this is God’s perspective about what is objectively wrong, then focusing on “perverts” rather than getting our society to stop being arrogant or indifferent to the poor and the needy is less Godlike and more humanlike, right?

    … Although, it’s already right there in Ezekiel too that God hates his women who really like larger dicks, so maybe this recorded obsession with massive ejaculations or thick penises on other godmen is reflected in today’s persistent obsession with gay sex. No women required to think about, so it makes sense a story about Sodom’s inhospitality as its worst offense transforms after encountering the unresolved sexual issues of men unable to find complementary partners except among one another.

    Even Jesus recommends cutting off one’s manhood if it means getting right with God, taking away the thing that causes many men to stumble while they walk.

  94. Art says:

    Sorry but if you hate Christmas you are a total loser. You are missing something that is uplifting. Christmas is a time of love and good will. Just saying Merry Christmas is an upper for everyone.

    Over and over we are told that there are many many good Jews. Hmm – hating the church and preachers can be justified – but not hating Jesus himself. Clearly Jesus was a good person. Hating on Jesus the way the Jews do, is sick and dark. It shows a mendacious ill will.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  95. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    The movie New In Town with Renee Zellwieger and Harry Connick Jr. is a surprisingly enjoyable Christmas rom com.

    When my kids were in elementary school, their school used to have a “Holiday Songfest” every year right before Christmas break. We’d always attend because they were in the choir, and every year, not a single song was a familiar Christmas carol. In fact, we never even knew what the heck they were singing about. The word “Christmas” or “Christ” never appeared in any single song. All we knew was the songs all sounded horribly out of tune. One year, I said out loud that “Just once, I would like to hear a real Christmas carol, something familiar, like Oh Holy Night or something.” I got the dirtiest look from this blonde woman in front who was married to an Indian guy. I was quite happy to have offended her.

  96. @Dane Yorick

    re: nothing is allowed to compete with Global Capitalism
    It seems to me that Global Capitalism is the description of our parasite “elites” and not of the majority of people. I believe that hierarchies (political, industrial, religious etc) cannot be trusted because they attract the psychopathic human wolves. But among the normal people you often find individuals who care, who are ready to help and who are not so much interested in being boss. The main problem is that our puppet masters try to destroy these attitudes – all their lying theories are designed to incite hatred instead of acceptance or cooperation.

  97. @Priss Factor

    Roosh Valizadeh went from pickup artist to committed Orthodox Christian.

    https://www.rooshv.com/

    • Replies: @anon
  98. Garliv says:
    @Anon

    Apologies. I do agree 100% with your sentiments. Somehow wasn’t able to edit that “Disagree”

  99. noname27 says: • Website

    If you don’t keep these pagan heathen festivals then there’s not a problem:

    The Heathen Satanic Origins of Christmas (Christ’s Mass)
    https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/the-heathen-satanic-origins-of-christmas-christs-mass/

  100. @Dumbo

    “I wonder why they never made a horror movie centered around Hannukkah, or Judaism in general? I think it would suit the genre very well.”

    An excellent question! And in the name of diversity and multiculti, why not African or Chinese-based horror. You’d think they’d explore that instead of constantly going back to the well of Universal (note the eurocentric name) Horror.

    Interesting that zombie films usually turn out to be pro-African; “I Walked with a Zombie” for example, an early example of the curse of White guilt for slavery. “Night of the Living Dead” though not voodoo related has a tragic black hero. The Will Smith “I Am Legend” has a black scientist hero.

    But about Judaism; I must point out that Frankenstein is arguably based on the legend of the Golem, consciously or not. In Shelley’s book Dr. Frank is interested in alchemy and kabbalah; in the film he’s pure Science but in the sequel, Bride, Dr. Praetorius is an alchemist whose methods are superior (he creates miniature people, not stitched-together corpses).

    Meyerink’s Golem novel was very popular and F W Murnau filmed it TWICE, though both films are lost (hmm, wonder why?), Rothwang in Metropolis is another alchemist who lives in a ghetto style house covered with cabalistic symbols.

    Dracula, book and film, has a Central European monster; Stoker is clearly demonizing unclean, Central Europeans threatening and invading the Anglo-Saxon empire, but he might just as well be a Rothschild; Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Jew, same thing. (That’s why the ex-Yugoslavian wars seemed so crazy to us North Americans; they all look alike), Dracula quotes Leviticus: “The blood is the life” and like Jews, “Does not drink… wine.”

    All this is pre-WWII. Wonder why?

  101. @dimples

    “Or am I mixing him up with Towelie? Not sure.”

  102. @Showmethereal

    “Many of the religious refugees that fled Europe and went to what became the US – refused to celebrate it because they considered it Catholic. ”

    Good point. The Pilgrims would have hanged anyone celebrating Christmas (which didn’t really become popular until Anglicans like Dickens spread their Teutonic propaganda).

    Being raised as a Catholic, I’m fascinated by hardshell Prots who refuse to celebrate “pagan” holidays like Christmas and Easter. I’ve discovered that a lot of Evangelicals, in search of “Bible-based” holidays, continue to celebrate not just a Saturday Sabbath but seven or so Jewish holidays (good enough for Christ!) with Christian retro-fitting; not just Passover (It’s about passing over to the New Jerusalem!) but weird ones like the Feast of Trumpets (when Christ returns it will be after the last of the trumpets sounds), Tabernacles, etc.

    It’s like unless held back by a church of some kind, Christians just can’t stop themselves from stripping off their European clothes and larping as Jews. They should call it Cringe-ianty.

    Note: the media promotes laughing at Renaissance Faires. But larping as 1st century Jews is OK with conservatives. Weird. The AngloSaxons are indeed a “strange and stupid race” (Mayor Curley of Boston)

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  103. @Reaper

    You are going to have to be more coherent.

  104. Well, look on the bright side: when those rascally Hebrews are doing bad things to Christmas, they’re too busy to do something dangerous like poisoning the wells or stealing Christian babies to make their matzos.

    Jews occupy a singular place in western imagination because of the truly bizarre role they were assigned in the mythology of Christianity, as the assassins of god himself. Judaism does, nevertheless, have a black mark against it, as the originator of the pernicious myth of patriarchal monotheism, from which Christianity was derived. The brutal god they invented is a repellent entity whose cruelty and capriciousness mirror the harshness of the ancestral desert nomadic environment. His malevolent presence is invasive: Yahweh demands ultimate authority over what foods you eat, what clothes you wear, whom you love and how, and the ways you think and feel. Even death cannot free you from his baleful influence. And his wiles could only be interpreted by an hereditary priestly caste who ruled their unfortunate Jewish subjects absolutely. Likewise, Christianity’s re-imagination of the dreadful Jewish god as his own neurotic son has inspired generations of intolerant fanatics to force these terrible ideas on every culture in every corner of the planet, at an incalculable cost in human misery.

    You will do well to remember that the United States Constitution created the first government in some fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion – not for nothing.

  105. The author asked us to comment on Elf.

    David Berenbaum, the screen writer, clearly loves Christmas’s. There’s a Netflix documentary series on that. It’s called the holiday movies that made us. He is Jewish.

    ( of course it’s a Santa type Christmas, not a very Christian themed version).

  106. @Reaper

    They had to make Christianity palatable to the Pagan Romans, so they added Christian holiday festivals to supplant the popular pagan rites.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams, Reaper
  107. Question. Anyone see FATMAN, starring Mel Gibson? 🤔 I didn’t. Refer to trailer, below.
    Fyi, hostile film critics trashed it, so I reckon it’s good.

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  108. @Observator

    “You will do well to remember that the United States Constitution created the first government in some fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion – not for nothing. ”

    Because the Founding Fathers were Jewish. Just like Hollywood.

    The New England colonists were wealthy shareholders in a profit seeking venture that was chartered in City of London. They were members of the Peerage, relations of the royal lines of Europe. Supposedly, they were being persecuted by the King for their religion, yet that same king hands them an extremely valuable grant to populated lands in the New World for their profit seeking venture. Why not ship them off to Australia to a penal colony, if the king despised them?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  109. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Radical Islamists do not care about books like Creation Myths . . you are treading on deadly ground and causing your culture, race, to tread on deadly ground.

    Look, if natural history makes you fear for your safety, then maybe you should just avoid reading it in large doses. There always were, and always will be two kinds of people in this world my friend – the Galileos, driven to understand their place in the universe, and people like you, clinging to false ideas.

  110. Angharad says:
    @Reaper

    I agree! The Folk Faiths are so much richer, more interesting, more fun, and infinitely connected to a positive reality. Flesh and spirit are one – not divided. Instead of regarding life and the world as a miserable thing to endure, in guilt for being born into flesh (which is INSANE) , and trying to be “good” in order to enter into “Heaven” after one dies, the Folk Faiths unite flesh and spirit. The physical world is the spiritual world. All things on Earth are sacred. This way of thinking is so much healthier, in my not so humble opinion.

    Thank you for your wonderful delineation, and Good Yule!

    • Thanks: Reaper
  111. After two millennia of Christian terror, it is time to follow science, educate the population and separate it from nonsense and fanaticism.

  112. Miro23 says:
    @Observator

    You will do well to remember that the United States Constitution created the first government in some fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion – not for nothing.

    It hasn’t turned out too well – but never too late to put it right. Declare that the US is a Christian country and only Christians may hold elective/administrative in government + own media properties. Then sit back and enjoy the hysterical meltdowns at CNN and the Washington Post.

  113. LarryS says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I don’t know when Jesus was conceived or born, but the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are associated with Passover not any Spring festival.

    It seems to me that the attack on Western Civilization (European Whites) originates from those people who hate Christendom, Christianity, Christians and Jesus.

  114. There is no war on Xmas. And even if there was, it is so trivial it insults the intelligence to hear about it.

    A simple anecdote: the operator at my healthcare provider(I mean the doctors I go to), wished me a Merry Xmas at the culmination of our interaction.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
  115. Seraphim says:
    @gar manar nar

    It’s not ‘natural history’ that makes people fear for their safety, but people like Galileos and Garmanarnars who want to force people ‘like us’ (the stupid mass) to ‘understand their places’ in the universe they invented.

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  116. Robjil says:
    @Observator

    You will do well to remember that the United States Constitution created the first government in some fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion – not for nothing.

    Now it is a Nothing empire ruled by Zion. Pelosi summed up perfectly this Nothing empire recently.

    https://www.albawaba.com/node/pelosis-remarks-us-israel-relations-highlights-us-hypocrisy-towards-israel-1289252

    “I have said to people when they ask me, If this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel. That’s fundamental to who we are.”

    Perhaps, a state religion is a good thing after all. At least, a parasite sneaky religion, that is a “sin” to notice doing anything wrong, can’t control a nation.

  117. @Seraphim

    Honestly, what Galileo found is just the way things work. You can take it, or you can through it away – even continue to believe in a flat earth if you want to. From what I can gather from your posts, it’s people like you who are doing the forcing. But this can often be helpful, since it allows people to stop and consider things more carefully – in particular, how they arrived a particular view of the world. This is the scientific method.

    • Agree: gay troll
  118. Guest145 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    “The war on Christmas is being waged by one group only.”

    I agree!

  119. saggy says:

    A great article all around, and one thing caught my eye, the ‘revelation of method’ ascribed to Michael Hoffman. Hoffman gives a brief description here, in this somewhat weird video that seems disconnected in parts …

    Briefly Hoffman says that the conspirators know their secrets can’t be maintained forever, and they are able to control the revelation of their secrets so that the objects of the deception are discouraged by the revelations of deception to the extent that they regard the hoax as inevitable and unstoppable, so they don’t fight back, they’re are disheartened to the point of being defeated and don’t resist, making the deceivers even more powerful and the deception more powerful, because the deceived know they are being deceived. ….. or something like that …. 🙂

    How can we relate it to the great deception of our time, which Hoffman doesn’t do, at least in the vid. #1 – many parts of the holohoax are gratuitously absurd, I discuss some of the obvious prima-facie absurdities in my review of E. Wiesel’s book, Night, on this site, noting that absurdities are not unusual in holohoax testimony but usually, maybe always, present. The hoax is stronger because it is absurd. People have to believe it because of peer pressure, and the fact that it is absurd makes it all the more powerful because it totally corrupts the believer’s mind. #2 – It’s odd to me that Unz writes a long article exposing the hoax, making some great points, one in particular I’ll paraphrase is ‘that people who have come to be regarded as the greatest victims of the 20th century were in fact the greatest killers’ (I can look it up). That is an astounding feat and indeed awe inspiring. And it portends very poorly for humanity. But since that time Unz has forgotten the holohoax, he publishes on this site many holohoax promoters, he backtracks himself, writing ‘I only studied it for a few weeks and the experts must be consulted for further info’ (I can look that up too). So, what does it mean to reveal the greatest most destructive hoax in history and the next day to have forgotten ???

  120. The real story of Christmas, from Mr. Ed, the talking horse, 1961.

    • Thanks: gay troll
  121. Robjil says:

    Honestly, what Galileo found is just the way things work.

    The new Galileos of our time are looking at how things work too.

    Unz site is a Galileo site. Most of our (((Media))) is anti-Galileo. Our (((free)) press considers that it is a sin to look at how many things work in our world.

    Things that are forbidden to look at by our (((free))) press is all things about people in power in the western world, what influence they have and have had since 12. 23.1913 and before that time.

  122. @gay troll

    I imagine this is how Hebe pillow biters talked in Viennese coffee shops in the late 1800s.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  123. @obwandiyag

    I can only imagine what it must take to insult your intelligence.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  124. FoSquare says:

    (This lack of White males fits into my recent photo essay showing how in 2020 White males have been almost completely airbrushed out of commercials.)

    I’ve noticed this myself, or they’re portrayed in an unfavorable light. Also, watching American TV commercials, you would think blacks make up 30 to 50 percent or more of the population, when in fact they’re only 13%, and account for an even smaller share of consumer purchasing power. Another trend, you’re seeing more and more black males paired with white females (rarely the other way around), often subliminally. Somehow, I think the forces at work behind all of this might be (((related))) to the forces at work in the link below:

    “Larry Fink’s Blackrock Doubles Down on Woke Capitalism” (from Tom Verso’s comment in E. Michael Jones article):

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/12/17/carney-larry-finks-blackrock-doubles-down-on-woke-capitalism/

    The seed of Satan is busy on many fronts. They seem to be pushing rapidly toward an end game before things fall apart.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  125. Agent76 says:

    May 19, 2013 Apollo 8’s Christmas Eve 1968 Message

    Apollo 8, the first manned mission to the moon, entered lunar orbit on Christmas Eve, Dec. 24, 1968. That evening, the astronauts–Commander Frank Borman, Command Module Pilot Jim Lovell, and Lunar Module Pilot William Anders–held a live broadcast from lunar orbit, in which they showed pictures of the Earth and moon as seen from their spacecraft. They ended the broadcast with the crew taking turns reading from the book of Genesis.

    Apollo 8, the first manned mission to the Moon, entered lunar orbit on Christmas Eve, December 24, 1968, “For all the people on Earth the crew of Apollo 8 has a message we would like to send you”. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8_xmas.html

    https://biblehub.com/esv/genesis/1.htm

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  126. @gay troll

    The winter solstice is December 21st, dumbass.

  127. gay troll says:
    @Change that Matters

    Well I’m sure your imagination is very vivid but some of us are more interested in critical thinking and factual history.

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  128. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:

    I dont get it..MOST JEWISH Hollywood celebrities go on endless hateful rants trashing Christmas and then they bring attention to their up coming show, books, CDs, about Christmas Special which nets them millions$$$…who is buying their fecal anti Christian trash…dumb goyim deplorables.Christmas is the biggest$$$$ Jewish CASH crop…

  129. @Somebody Else

    On behalf of all of us, I’d like to that you for your reply. However brief, it is the kind of information we need. No one in the entire history of this discussion, back to the fourth century, tried to actually find out the date. Now that we know, everything has become clear.

    “Excellent. This will simplify everything!” — Bela Lugosi, The Phantom Creeps.

    Actually, you will note that GT said “the end of the winter solstice.” Admittedly, a vague phrase. Here is the long version:

    “The Romans celebrated their seven-day winter festival, Saturnalia, starting on December 17. It was a thoroughly pagan affair full of debauchery and the worship of the god Saturn. To mark the end of the winter solstice, the Roman emperor established December 25 as a feast to Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun). Wanting to make Christianity more palatable to the Romans and more popular with the people, the church co-opted these pagan festivals and put the celebration of the birth of their Savior on December 25. For whatever the Christmas holiday has become today, it started as a copycat of well-established pagan holidays. If you like Christmas, you have Saturnalia and Sol Invictus to thank.” https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/is-christmas-a-pagan-rip-off/

    OTOH, the author goes on to note that this is bullshit.

    “But in the case of Christmas, there is good evidence that December 25 was not chosen because of any pagan winter holidays. This is the argument Andrew McGowan, of Yale Divinity School, makes in his article “How December 25 Became Christmas” (https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/how-december-25-became-christmas/) first published in Bible Review in 2002).”

    See how real scholars discuss these things?

  130. @James O'Meara

    OTOOH, Robert Price, against whom I would not want to argue things Biblical, but you’re welcome to do so, has a slightly different take:

    As far as we know, it originated as the observation of the Winter Solstice, the rebirthday of the sun god Mithras. It was probably Christianized in the fourth century after the Council of Nicea decided that Jesus Christ was God incarnated, which made it advisable for Christians to choose a date for his birth so they could celebrate the central datum of Christian salvation. They seem to have chosen December 25 since people were already celebrating Mithras’s rebirth on that date, which was called Brumalia (the eighth day of the Saturnalia Festival). They wanted a Christian alternative to those rowdy Brumalia office parties.

    http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/zblog/put-the-x-back-in-xmas/

  131. Max Payne says:

    Die Hard (1988) was the best Christmas move I ever saw. I don’t think anything came close to the wholesome values that film taught me.

  132. niceland says:

    The pagan angle of Christmas:

    In Icelandic the word for Christmas is “Jól”. The Icelandic wikipedia page has a chapter about pagan origins for the word Jól:
    https://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3l#Hei%C3%B0inn_uppruni
    In machine translation with my modifications: My apologies for not doing a better job.

    —-
    Pagan origins

    In Northern Europe, solstice festivals had always been even more important than in the south of the continent, presumably because of the difference between the longest and shortest day of the year. These days, for example, there was a great deal of “Partying Involving Sacrifice” {PIS} in the Nordic countries. When King Ólafur Tryggvason had converted to Christianity, he seems to have wanted to make up for the ancient PIS by putting down quarterly festivals instead of the quarterly PIS, but people did not lose the midwinter festival or other celebrations even though they changed their religion.

    One ancient script says:

    “… dropped sacrifices and sacrificial drinks and instead allowed Christmas and Easter celebratory drinking, Jónsmessa (midsummer) feast and autumn ale at Mikjálsmessa.” (29 September currently)

    Ancient Norwegian law also states that each farmer in Frostaþing should have a certain amount of ale at “Jól” as well as at Midsummer.

    Proverbs

    It is not known what the origin of the word Jól is, but in much of northern Europe, the old Germanic world, there are almost identical or very similar words, although it is not possible to say where the word originally came from or what its exact meaning is. It is worth mentioning that the Faroese still use the same word as the Icelanders, it is Jól, but the Danes, Norwegians and Swedes Jul, the Finns seem to have adopted the word and then become joula with them. In ancient times, it was éole that was pronounced “jól” and later “yule”. This has led to the possibility that the culture of these nations was in many ways so similar that the word was used for the same or similar midwinter festival at this time which was then associated with winter solstice and the festivals were to celebrate the rising sun.

    The oldest source for the word is from the fragments of a Gothic manuscript, which reads „Naubaimbair: fruma Jiuleis“ which means “November: the first month of Jól.” Some have speculated the old Nordic month name “Ýlir” is of the same root as “Jól” but according to the old calendar it ended around 12 December and a month called “Mörsugur” took over, which was then the third month of Jól, and lasted until about 12 January, but it is believed that a Jól party was held around that day and was decided by the (a) moon and not an astronomical winter solstice. Later, after the change of calendar, “Mörsugur” moved as well as Jól and it now begins around the winter solstice or in the period from 20 to 27 December, or at the time when the current Jól is celebrated. But about the name of the month Ýlir there is only one ancient source, it is in Bókarbót from the 12th century which is preserved in a manuscript from around 1220 so it is not easy to confirm that theory. Another theory is that one of Odin’s names was jólfaðr or the father of Jól, also Jólnir

    And no, this wiki isn’t written by Jews, more likely Christian scholars.
    Ps ;
    I was fighting the machine translator (Google) over the word “blót”. Google insisted the word sacrifice. But that does not involve celebration that is the main objective. Hence, {PIS}

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  133. gay troll says:
    @Agent76

    Quoting Genesis should have given away the abject fraud that was Apollo. Genesis has absolutely nothing to do with science or natural history. It is a deliberate work of propaganda.

  134. Seraphim says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    Australia was ‘discovered’ only in 1770 and it was too far away. The settlement started only in 1788.
    If the founding fathers refused to establish Christianity as official state religion, is because they they were professed anti-Christians in the first place. Not that what passed as Christianity of the ‘we the people’ has much to do with real Christianity either. It is a parody and a caricature of Christianity.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  135. @Mick Jagger gathers no mosque

    What he wrote was a novel not an autobiography. He was a convert who sought to fit in. Lots and lots and lots of conjecture that dont stand up to scrutiny. December 25th is simply made up and that’s why the bible says nothing about any such date nor further celebration of it. That is to say nothing of all the “traditions” associated with it which come from paganism.

  136. @James O'Meara

    Im glad as a catholic you acknowledge the Pilgrims were mostly against Christmas… But why aould you have an issue with “bible based” holidays…??? It s a middle eastern religion not a European one.

  137. TKK says:
    @Mike Tre

    I always found it interesting that Mel Gibson’s portrayal of Satan in the violent and nihilistic “Passion of the Christ” is a very feminine man.

    Gibson could have cast anyone he liked as Satan: a chisel jawed white man, a slender black man, an average man, an ugly man or a dwarf.

    He choose someone who in our rancid culture would be celebrated as “trans” (in the black cowl)

  138. roonaldo says:

    You think those Christmas movies belittle the holiday? Get a load of this TV show that just ran on FOX—“A Netanyahu Christmas”

    The worst part was a musical number…..

    On the 1st day of Christmas Donald Trump gave to me: A cartridge for my Uzzi…
    On the 2nd day….
    Two Teflon gloves…
    On the 3rd day….
    Three Henchmen…
    On the 4th day….
    Four appalling words…
    On the 5th day….
    Five submarines!…
    On the 6th day….
    Six SEALs a-slaying….
    On the 7th day….
    Seven bondsmen skimming….
    On the 8th day….
    Eight aides a-bilking….
    On the 9th day….
    Nine ladies panting….
    On the 10th day….
    . Ten lawyers pleading….
    On the 11th day….
    Eleven snipers sniping….
    On the 12th day….
    Twelve slumlords slumming…

  139. @Luv Xmas

    As for your link, it’s good for the story of Horus, which I can verify, but after this, it becomes totally negative and dismissive . . and the 911 conspiracy, WTF?

    Today, the word “Myth” has become synonymous with the word “Lie” in common parlance. But in scholarly settings, myths have always been understood as primitive theories used to make sense of, and engage with the world. They are not “fraudulent” in the sense of the 911 commission report, but like anything else, they can be used for destructive ends.

  140. @gay troll

    Folks, the Black Metal pagan Larper has entered the chat!

  141. My mother didn’t take us out of the cinema when Gremlins was screening, but she couldn’t conceal her shock and displeasure. I have long felt guilty about pestering her into taking me to see that abomination. But how was I to know? As the author states, we were led to believe it was a fun Christmas movie for kids! Has a horror movie ever been so deceptively marketed?

    Naive as we were, we trusted Spielberg to entertain us. How did we know he meant to subvert and smash our institutions? Others have pointed out the strange things he was telling us about himself. Jaws was about the Jew as a voracious, all consuming shark. ET was about an ugly little alien, hiding amongst gentiles, and dreaming of returning home… performing an act of Aaliyah perhaps? What a strange man.

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  142. gay troll says:
    @Somebody Else

    Did I say it wasn’t? Perhaps you are unaware that the sun “hangs” in the sky for a few days as it reverses its apparent motion. December 25th is the day when the Sun makes its first perceptible movement northward.

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  143. @ChuckOrloski

    didn’t see it, but there are plenty of audience reviews here :

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fatman

  144. Seraphim says:
    @Zimriel

    Saturnalia were celebrated on the 17th of December and extended up to the 23d. So they could hardly be the ‘origin’ of ‘Christmas’ (properly Christmastide/Christmastime or the Christmas season) which extended for 12 days starting on the 25th of December and concluding with the Feast of Epiphany, or Theophany, the Baptism of our Lord, on the 6th of January. In fact Theophany /Bogoyavlenia- ‘appearance of God’, ‘divine manifestation’ is the central feast of the ‘Christmas season’. It is called also ‘hē Hēméra tōn Phṓtōn’, the Day of the Lights. In Greek Baptism is called also photismos, illumination.

  145. Garliv says:

    The author has a point. As i see it a good number of Commenters miss the point entirely. We may argue on which specific day and month Christ Jesus was born to no end. Specifically the Bible is silent on that specific issue because it is simply irrelevant to our Salvation. It’s not needed. Yes, humans picked a date to commemorate Christ birth but overriding theme and meaning is that Christians are reminded of Christ Jesus teachings and sacrifice to redeem mankind and that they should rededicate their lives to Christ: living according to values Jesus taught of loving our neighbours, avoid sins, pray for others, seek true justice, endeavour to have a better society etc.
    Now when someone wants to bastardize all that via intellectualism of whether December 25th is actually Jesus birthday miss the point by a mile. Trying to belittle and vandalize Christmas through art as the author ably point out is in itself evil. It is designed to demolish moral anchors that had defined Western societies and other Christians for centuries. It’s erasing people’s important foundation of their belief systems. Once that has been accomplished then the society finds it easier and justify clearly moral degeneracy such as sodomy, usury, even pedophilia, abortions, very skewed economic system and all sorts of thugishness. Societies and civilisations throughout history have had their belief system anchored in real or imagined or mythological narratives but it that doesn’t make them invalid or useless or irrational. I believe the Western society is facing unprecedented internal challenges because they have progressively abandoned their Christian Moral Anchors to the point where reference point is I, ME, MYSELF: Not God. Not Christ Jesus. Not even anything considered “religious”. Anything that make one “happy” is fair and justified. Everyone or every group has created own idols to worship.
    Romans 1:21-22 NIV
    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

    NB: As an aside, I have been reading history of colonialism and its instructive that when colonialists sailed to distant lands, they first set to “civilise the natives” which in essence was destroying social and religious anchors of natives. Muslims too had to convert natives to Islam. Everyone knows how it ended up with natives. So has somebody (non-Christian) been progressively dismantling Christian anchors so as to align West with their desires? Or destroy it from within?

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  146. Vojkan says:
    @Blubb

    I don’t think he’s a Nordic pagan. The “number of the beast” is not a pagan concept, it is a Christian concept, from John’s revelation. I think his whole “philosophy” stems from his disposition to sodomy and the Christian condemnation of it. You can’t expect metaphysical perceptiveness from people whose “brain” is located below the diaphragm.

  147. Gemjunior says:
    @Trickster

    Gay troll is intolerable. A total drag.

  148. Seraphim says:
    @gay troll

    Dont delude yourself that you are among them.

  149. Just a short historical comment; The Cross most definitely did not became the symbol of Christianity with Constantine. The symbol Costantine supposedly saw in the sky before the Battle at Ponte Milvio, “In Hoc Signo Vinces, under this sign thou shall win”) and henceforth adopted for his banners was the ChiRo monogram,

    with the first two Greek letters of the name of Christ. In Constantine’s times, the cross was still in large-scale use as a capital punishment instrument for slaves and low-cast criminals, and venerating it would have been untinkable. It was rather Theodosius the Great who abolished this use of the cross out of deference to Jesus, and this was slowly followed by the adoption of the Cross as symbol for Christianity. In the Eastern Empire and the Ortodox Church however the ChiRo remained the preferred symbol for quite a long time.

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  150. Dumbo says:
    @Art

    Sorry but if you hate Christmas you are a total loser.

    I always thought, how much of a sour person do you have to be to “hate Christmas”.

    Joyous music, great food, people more friendly towards each other, gifts, what’s not to like?

    Was Scrooge a Jew?

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    , @Badger Down
  151. TKK says:
    @Spogus Bogus

    And to adopt a black girl, and then let her be a porn star when he has hundreds of millions of dollars?

  152. “When she volunteers that she doesn’t celebrate Christmas, Billy asks, “What, are you Hindu or something?” Historically, the non-Christian group in America with mixed feelings toward Christmas is not Hindus, but Jews. Here the mask is in place but the true message is easily discernible. It is Jews who hate Christmas.”

    Hindus and Christians both have Swastika in their cultural realms and thus the twain are butts of both, the Jewish ire and jokes.

  153. saggy says:

    “Still, some sources are beyond locating now, such as Christmas movie reviews by a Jewish individual named Austin Pearl. My links were rock solid in 2008,”

    It was moved ….

    http://www.cc2konline.com/2007/12/21/the-top-five-anti-christmas-moments-in-film/

    “It’s my wanting to take a big you know what on everyone’s Christmas spirit.”

  154. @Achmed E. Newman

    It makes my eyes hurt having to look at “C.E.” and “B.C.E.” written on a page. It”s like you have to mentally translate it back to “B.C.” and “A.D.” every time you read it. Very frustrating. You just want to grab that ink pen and correct it every time! Another one that frustrates me is the metric system replacing everything don’t get me started on that one! Then theres the whole “press one for English” thing, and the “gender neutral”bathrooms, having to say “he or she” everytime you say something that drives me nuts having to read “he or she” ,”him or her” written on a page, these little things do make life very tedious and burdensome indeed!

  155. @gar manar nar

    What kind of false ideas could sensible people possibly have about radical Islam?

    • Replies: @gar manar nar
  156. gay troll says:
    @Dumbo

    Well his name was Ebenezer.

  157. @gay troll

    You are a dirty, filthy sodomite who has sex with other men. Until 1975 that was classified as a mental illness.…lol

    You’re essentially a walking talking bio-hazard. A truly pitiful excuse for a human being, much less a man.

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  158. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    What dangerous ground are we treading on?

  159. @Garliv

    TheBible gives many holy days to celebrate. What it specifically also gives os the directive man not to use his own wisdom and come up with their own ways to claim the honor God. The children of Israel tried that by making a golden calf to represent God. There was a lesson in that.
    Would Jesus take part in formerly pagan rituals? No because then He wouldnt be the Messiah. When you start picking and choosing what to obey you end up down a slippery slope.

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  160. @James O'Meara

    By the way, where are the cabalistic symbols on Rothwang ‘s house? . . I expanded the picture but couldn’t see any.

  161. Seraphim says:
    @Ezio Bonsignore

    The cross became the symbol of Christianity definitely before Constantine. Its origin is in the very words of Christ: “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?” (Matthew 16:24-26).

    Tertullian wrote repeatedly about it:

    ”Ad Nationes”, Book I, cap. 12: ‘The Charge of Worshipping a Cross. The Heathens Themselves Made Much of Crosses in Sacred Things; Nay, Their Very Idols Were Formed on a Crucial Frame’:
    ”As for him who affirms that we are “the priesthood of a cross,” we shall claim him as our co-religionist. A cross is, in its material, a sign of wood; among yourselves also the object of worship is a wooden figure. Only, while with you the figure is a human one, with us the wood is its own figure…

    ”Apology” 16:6: ‘Then, if any of you think we render superstitious adoration to the cross, in that adoration he is sharer with us…’

    ”De Corona” 3.4: ‘At every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our our clothes and shoes, when we bathe, when we sit at table, when we light the lamps, on couch, on seat, in all the ordinary actions of daily life, we trace upon the forehead the sign’.

    There are representations datable to the early 3d century, like the famous graffito of Alexamenos, depicting a man worshipping a crucified donkey. The inscription reads: “Alexamenos respects God,” presumed to be making fun of a Christian soldier. (Museum on the Palatine Hill, Rome). It is a graphic confirmation of Tertullian: “For, like some others, you are under the delusion that our god is an ass’s head.” (The Apology, 16.1).

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  162. gay troll says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Shalom mon frere, I hope your Yuletide is gay.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  163. gay troll says:
    @Seraphim

    The cross became the symbol of Christianity definitely before Constantine. Its origin is in the very words of Christ: “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me…

    The word in Greek is “stauros” which literally means “stake”, as a form of execution. A stauros is not necessarily a cross. The word does not mean cross. The cross may just as well derive from the first letter of Xristos, as depicted by the Chi Ro. Paul only uses the word stauros to describe Christ’s death, he has zero conception of a Roman style cruxifixion.

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  164. Seraphim says:
    @gay troll

    Don’t you realize that everybody here is annoyed by your inability to retain your farts? Too much abuse of your rear end sphincter.

  165. Garliv says:
    @Showmethereal

    Yes, it is widely accepted that origins of Christmas day is in ancient Rome/Europe in which day people held some festivals for their pagan gods. Whether to celebrate their sun god or to mark winter solstice or whatever. That is not in dispute. However that does not follow that today’s Christmas day serves a similar role. It definitely does not. From my reading and understanding of the Bible it is not wrong nor is it a sin to convert a hitherto day of festive to pagan gods into a Christian Festival. It can actually be seen as evidence that previous pagans have now found Christ Jesus. The overriding criteria is that Christ Jesus be at the CENTRE of such a festival: That Christ Jesus be the RATIONALE FOR IT. Therefore judging today’s Christmas day there is no way it can be said to be continuation of ancient pagan festivals. (Unlike Halloween which is clearly a continuation of satanic rituals from ancient times). What can be said about Christmas is that over the years the RATIONALE of Christmas day has been eroded by commercialisation, by political correctness, secularism, supposed human “superior” rationality, failure of Christians in general to assert and to confidently proclaim their beliefs thus easily ceding ground to all sorts of new age crap and anything that is shouted loud enough.
    Let’s also factor that Christianity has over the millennia spread across various cultures, traditions and religions. Some adopt Christianity within their cultural and tradition settings and again, so long Christ Jesus is at the Centre I can find no Biblical bases to trash those or judge them wrong or sinful or unchristian. Definitely there are some traditions or aspects of them that would be discarded when people believe in and turn to Christ Jesus. In essence Christianity is at the heart of it a LIVING RELIGION not some ancient rules and regulations without flexibility as say Islam or Judaism.

    I also understand the caution that if humans are left to invent holidays not in the Bible then it’s a slippery slope. But so long as Jesus is at the centre of what humans do then let “human exercise their freedom as guided by the Holy Spirit..” There are churches and denominations which have come up with say annual ceremony to commemorate their establishment, or their growth or whatever event. If it’s for glory of Christ then God Be Praised.

    Obviously making of golden calf has nothing to do with Christ. And it’s clearly forbidden to worship idols and image: it’s objectively a sin. In this case I view idolatry as different from cleansing a hitherto pagan rituals and aligning with Christ Jesus.

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  166. Reaper says:
    @gay troll

    “Perhaps you are unaware that the sun “hangs” in the sky for a few days as it reverses its apparent motion”
    No.

    Please do not mix up things – as I explain in my last pharagraph in this comment about sources.

    Winter solstice: it is when the Sun stop moving into one direction and turns. Not an exact day, but a moment in a day, this exact time was now: Monday, 21 December 2020, 10:02 UTC.
    This is science.

    Religion:
    December 25. was the “birthday Invincible Sun” in Rome (in various old religions the reborn of Sun – gods after 3 day of death (various cultures/ religions believed the Sun died at the Winter solstice).
    So Sun Dieties are often died and resurrected in the third day.
    Sounds familiar for anyone?
    Sun dieties have SUNdays as holy days.

    [MORE]

    Some example about dieties/ celebrations:
    In Rome: part of the Roman Winter Solstice celebrations as “birthday of Invincible Sun”.
    Later: Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birthday of the Unconquered Sun) but that was in late imperial era, and doubtful which religion countered which/ copied from another.

    In Egypt: Goddess Isis bore the Holy Child Horus on December 25th (or 3 days after Winter solstice/ differencies based on Egypt geographical standing).

    vs:

    Accidentaly there are Halo/ Nimbus around/ above head.

    Horus associated with:
    Apollo, Sol, Herakles (Hercules), Dumuzid (Tammuz).
    Tammnuz especially interesting.
    His mother was Sirtur: Sirtur (also known as Dittur, Duttur, or Sirtir) is a goddess in Sumerian, Babylonian, and Akkadian mythology. She is a goddess of sheep, Although sacred lambs are also associated with the mother goddess Ninhursag. Father unknown.
    Oh sacred lamb, eh.
    His consort Inanna (Ishtar) Queen of Heaven, with symbol of eight pointed star.
    Also interesting Tammnuz – Ishtar survived under Jizya tax up untill the first crusade in the Middle East regardless the decline from the I. st. century.

    Persia (origin): December 25 as Mithra’s Birthday – was popular among Roman soldiers who called Mithras and there were changes in worship in imperial era (original things was popular B.C.E 100 – 400, so in the Roman Republic).

    Original sources are always better.
    I advise you to avoid sabbathcovenant/ occult-faiths originated from 1800`s for example, as it mix things up, so not a reliable one, same true which refer Nimrod-Semiramis as resurrected forms as deep in occult and far (also better to separate) from history/ archeology/ ethnography, etc…

  167. Reaper says:
    @niceland

    “according to the old calendar it ended around 12 December”

    That manuscript find sources based on the Julian calendar which is 13 day difference with the later made Gregorian which used up today. Old December 12 is now december 25.

    But not sure what did you wish to say with this translation.

  168. Reaper says:
    @James O'Meara

    The article you recommended:
    https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/how-december-25-became-christmas/

    Was interesting – a debate which summarize various theories.
    But answers nothing, nor make theories invalid. Offers more questions.

    Sources/ proof are scarce about the origin of the date, so debate will be, and theories based on mostly similarities with others/ historical circumstances, and Cui prodest/ Cui bono.

  169. @Reaper

    Both of y’all have nutty terminology here:

    “Perhaps you are unaware that the sun “hangs” in the sky for a few days as it reverses its apparent motion”
    No.

    Please do not mix up things – as I explain in my last pharagraph in this comment about sources.

    Winter solstice: it is when the Sun stop moving into one direction and turns. Not an exact day, but a moment in a day, this exact time was now:

    Nothing hangs, nothing reverses, and nothing stops moving and turns!

    Geeze! The length of the day, as defined by sunrise to sunset (can be defined bases on civil twilight too) in the northern hemisphere, gets to its minimum, so it stops decreasing and slowly starts increasing again after the Winter Solistice date. It’s the opposite for the Summer Solistice at ~ June 21st, 22nd. Then, reverse the whole thing in time for the southern hemisphere.

    The equinoxes are the points in time when the days and nights are of equal length around the world, but only based on the sun being centered on the horizon sunup/sundown, without twilight included.

    C’mon, guys, whaddya’ need a refesher course? It’s all tilt-o-the-axis nowadays! ;-}

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  170. @Garliv

    “Obviously making of golden calf has nothing to do with Christ. And it’s clearly forbidden to worship idols and image: it’s objectively a sin. In this case I view idolatry as different from cleansing a hitherto pagan rituals and aligning with Christ Jesus.”

    That is simply an emotional rationalization.

    Look at the debate He had with the Samaritan woman. He told her plainly she didn’t know what was correct and what wasn’t. He was totally against incorporating paganism.
    All these pictures of the supposed Christ along with all the symbols like wearing a cross like a lucky charm – are the same exact thing as appropriating pagan symbols and making up a date and claiming it is in honor of the birth of Messiah.
    The golden calf was the same. They didn’t say that calf was some pagan god. They said the calf was the God of Abraham – Isaac – Jacob that brought them out of Egypt. He found that repugnant.

  171. gay troll says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Of course we are talking about the apparent declination of the Sun and not an actual change in its movement. This measurement appears frozen for three days. That is the literal meaning of the word solstice; when the sun seems to stands still. (In the sense that for 3 days, its declination appears static).

    Visualize an analemma.

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  172. @gay troll

    OK, fair enough. I should have read the comment above but got sick of this argument. The terminology just sounded nutty, but if you are an astronomer or were an old-timey druid setting up rocks, yeah, what you said. I do know what an analemma is, as I used to be an amateur astronomer (one of the few sciences in which amateurs can do useful work). My apologies.

  173. Sure. Many of these “jokes” are funny. In fact, anything can be made funny, especially to people of low character with low sensitivities. All of it proves very little beyond its temporary shock value. It’s kind of like the kid in school whose inane antics are tolerated for a while, until they aren’t, until people just avoid him. You know, the guy who’s the life of the party, until he isn’t..

  174. The War on Christmas is now a tool for the War on White Males

  175. @niceland

    The Yule Log, not to be confused with The Ashen Faggot.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_log

  176. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:

    This discussion touched few topics which mainstream for some reasons hide. There are still many things related to the origins and first days of Christianity that remain unexplored. I wander if anyone knows that Roman Emperors during the time when Christianity was prohibited, when was legalised, again suppressed, again revived to become the official Empire’s religion were of Serbian origins (Diocletian, Licinius, Constantine, Julian, Jovian, Justin, Justinian, etc), that first Christian diocese was established in 29BC in the Roman capital Sirmium (now 40 km from Belgrade), that St Peter first visited Sirmium before he went to Rome where subsequently was hanged in the Nero’s garden, that St Paul was hiding in Serbian caves where he was baptising people and founding first churches before he also finished as one of Nero’s victims.

    Origins of Christianity – was it a Middle-Eastern religion, or it adopted many things from previous pagans’ believing since Vincha civilisation which is thousands of years older than its much younger instant replicas of Greek and Roman mythology? When we talk about pagans we are talking about ‘European’ pagans, who were they? Norse mythology also originated in Vincha before migrating to the north and developing their geographical specifics.

    Cross – is there a connection with much older Vincha symbol where it was a ‘letter’ in the world oldest Vincha’s script? Swastika (‘infinite energy’) was also a ‘letter’ in this script and it was much later carried, together with Sanskrit and mythology, by Aryans (Serbian speaking tribes) to India. When the cross officially became the symbol of Christianity? Is this day celebrated today as the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

    Calendar – what is the origin of this, so-called ‘Julian’ calendar which is still used by some Orthodox Churches and which pope Gregory much later changed by shifting the previous calendar by two weeks. Btw, the oldest calendar was also found in Vincha and the name itself is Serbian.

  177. @Dumbo

    With a name like “screw gentiles”, I should coco.

  178. Seraphim says:
    @Reaper

    The authentic Egyptian Horus was not born on 25th December, neither was Isis a virgin. These were inventions of an amateur Egyptologist, the ‘spiritualist’ Gerald Massey in the 1880s, taken over by the usual suspects (Bill Maher in the film ‘Religulous’) wherefrom you take your inspiration.

    Neither do we have any indication that Mithra was born on 25th December. His identification with Sol Invictus is purely conjectural. The official feast of Sol Invictus (which was a Syrian and Palmyrean God, introduced first to Rome by the ”empty-headed young idiot” [Herodian, V.7.1ff], Elagabalus), was established in 274 and it was not any ‘Dies Natalis Soli Invicti’, which is an invention resulted from the conflation of the feast of ‘Sol Invictus’, with the mention in the Calendar of Philocalus of ‘VIII Kal[endae]. Jan. (December 25)’ as ‘N INVICTI CM XXX’. Not any ‘Soli Invicti’ but just ‘Natalis’ which was the proper name of ‘Christmas’. That it referred to the ‘Dies Natalis of Christ’ is reinforced in another section of the Chronography commemorating the laying to rest of martyrs (Disposition of Martyrs), the VIII Kal. Jan. is annotated ‘natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae (“Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea”). In a section listing the consuls, there also is a note for AD 1: dominus Iesus Christus natus est VIII kal. Ian.

    In actual fact the first to claim that December 25th was originally a celebration of Sol Invictus (and to identify Sol Invictus with Mithra)was Julian the Apostate. In the ‘Hymn to King Helios’ (a work of rhetorical sleight-of-hand historical revisionism – like all the writings of the demented anti-Christian), delivered in 362, Julian claimed that the December 25th date for celebrating Sol Invictus was instituted by none other than Numa Pompilius (8th c. BC), the mythical second king of Rome.

    The date of 25 December for the birth of Christ was current in the 2nd century already, as it results from the writings of Hyppolitus (170-235): ”The first coming of our Lord, that in the flesh, in which he was born at Bethlehem, took place eight days before the Kalends of January, a Wednesday, in the forty-second year of the reign of Augustus, 5500 years from Adam,” and we know that the calculation was based from the date of Conception (25 March+nine months)

    Anyhow, it was not the birthday of Christ that Christians were celebrating during the ‘Christmas season’, but His Theophaneia. Jews and Christians were not celebrating birthdays.
    And of course it had nothing to do with the Saturnalia, which might have been ‘solsticial celebrations’, but happened between 17-23 December.

  179. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Good comment with many useful information. There are few things beyond Wiki for research. Hors is the ancient Serbian (the term ‘Slavic’ is used after the 7th c.AC) deity which was probably adopted in Egypt. This name is adopted in English language for ‘horse’. Ptolemaic Egypt refers to the dynasty founded by (P)Tolomey Lagic, the Alexander’s duke after his death. The last member in this dynasty was Cleopatra. So as Alexander himself, he was not a Greek than a Serb so as other dukes and generals. Sanskrit Mitra was present in Rig Veda, but this epic was brought by Aryans. India and Hinduism did not exist before Aryans arrival. It means that Mitra originated in Europe, was transferred to South Asia and later returned a bit changed to Europe again. Some things are related to the early days of the city of Rome (original name was Ruma). Who founded the city of Rome and who gave this name to the city? What was the original name of Etruscans and which alphabet they used for their texts before they were subjected to the genocide?

  180. Seraphim says:

    There are actually a lot of things for research beyond Wikipedia. What is lacking are some research skills. What you have in abundance, unfortunately, is the readiness to fall for all the ‘alternative’ histories launched by sophomoric self-appointed ‘historians’ (like Alexander the Great was a ‘Serb’, or that there was a Tolomey Lagic, or a ‘genocide’ of the Etruscans). C’mon.

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  181. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Who was Alexander? How Etruscans called themselves? Never heard of their genocide?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  182. Reaper says:
    @Seraphim

    “The authentic Egyptian Horus was not born on 25th December”

    That is a theory: both the date, and even the parents of Horus.
    Not without questions and doubt.

    Based on the annual Festival of Coronation, which reenacted the divine birth of Horus and the reigning pharaoh at Edfu. Annual coronation rituals took place in the sanctuary, in which the god Horus symbolically received kingship from Ra and Osiris and the reigning Pharaoh received his kingship from Ra and Horus. Ptolemy never participated in this ritual personally; his role was played by a priest.
    Worth to note the temple construction started by 237 BC under Ptolemy III, but carried on through most of Ptolemy IV’s reign until Hugronaphor’s revolt forced the end of works in 207–06 BC.

    The key figure is Ptolemy IV’s, who was a notable “supporter” of divine blood, after all married with his sister: Arsinoe III of Egypt.
    Worth to mention: the divine marriage between Osiris and Isis, and their son Horus not always was that official in ancient times. But the temple of Horus in Edfu well preserved, so many sources must based on it.
    Also Ptolemy IV was the one who preferred imaginary with other greek dieties: “Equations with other deities … the rayed crown of Apollo or Helios”.
    Alexander the Greet have notable influence on Egypt.

    And all of this relative “new” just about 2200 years old tradition/ information, there are far less/ less preserved from old Egypt.


    “neither was Isis a virgin”

    Did not said that.
    Actually did mention to be careful with the 1800`s occult-faiths as sources, can be called ‘spiritualist’. 😉


    Mithra His identification with Sol Invictus is purely conjectural.

    Sure.
    That was the reason why I write in separate sections from the Sol Invictus and Mitra/ Mitras.

    There were notable differences between the late imperial worship/ deeds of emperors/ courts when Christianity was already notable in Italy and : “doubtful which religion countered which/ copied from another.”
    Note: That bunch of religions/ faiths/ gods what the Roman Empire assimilated into itself during their expansion through the centuries in late imperial era was mainly (remained) popular only the high ranking/ some classes, for example military, and mainly among men.
    While women and plebs in 300`s mostly supported the Christian faith. For the simple reason it triumphed: accepts anybody, even the weak/ disabled/ powerless, and expect nothing outstanding/ extraordinary – concentrate on the crowd/ masses instead the chosen some.

    “claimed that the December 25th date for celebrating Sol Invictus was instituted by none other than Numa Pompilius (8th c. BC), the mythical second king of Rome. ”

    Which can be true.
    If we separate the imperial Sol Invictus from Mithra/ Mithras: the late one in a more original form was popular in the old Republic era, probably even during the kings.
    After all the creation myth of Rome claims Trojan War, and that city is more close to the supposed source of the deity.

    What 191. Anonymous[327] said:
    “It means that Mitra originated in Europe, was transferred to South Asia and later returned a bit changed to Europe again. Some things are related to the early days of the city of Rome”
    also interesting.

    “and we know that the calculation was based from the date of Conception (25 March+nine months)”

    Huh.
    That is about the various spring/ fertility celebrations, Easter origins, “lucky” “coincidences” etc…
    If we include that too… will be very long… better not.

    Anyway thanks for the useful comments @Seraphim and @Anonymous[327]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  183. anarchyst says:

    The 2020 Christmas season’s latest “assault on Christmas” is the ad for Comedy Central. In this ad, a menorah and “kwanzaa” candles are visible. there is NO representative symbolism for Christian Christmas.
    Of course, “Comedy Central” is jew-owned and jew-run, so that is no surprise.

  184. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reaper

    Thanks to you, Reaper. You have very extensive knowledge. Some other time I may write more about Mithra (now very frequent personal female name in Serbia, male version is Mitar and Dimitriye, surname Mitrovic, two towns have names Mitrovica) or Hors. For now, please just tell us – who was Alexander the Great?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  185. Seraphim says:
    @Anonymous

    Etruscans called themselves ‘tusci’, name that survived to this day in the region where they lived, ‘Toscana’ (sporting the name ‘Magnus Ducatus Etruriae’) and of the inhabitants of the region, ‘toscani’ who were speaking a ‘dialetto toscano, names of Etruscans cities surviving to this day. Genetic research showed the persistence of a genetic make-up particular to the region and its Anatolian origin, confirming what was always known about them. Hardly genocide.

  186. @Serafim

    They called themselves Raseni (this is the alternative name for Serbs, Raska was the name of Serbian medieval kingdom and its capital) and were one of the tribes which founded the city of Rome. Also, the term ‘Thracians’ is a Greek reading of Raseni or Rasani. The original city name was ‘Ruma’, exactly the same as the city 40 km from Belgrade. They developed Roman arts, architecture, aqueducts, libraries, etc. All their cultural heritage was subjected to the destruction including all their texts. However, some plates and sarcophagus remained, enough to decipher their texts. There was an unsuccessful project to decipher their texts by comparison with few dozens of European and African (!) languages but not the nearest one – Serbian.

    A Serbian priest deciphered them more than 30 years ago, wrote a book, a guy wrote a PhD thesis analysing one legal contract from their text, but the (non-alternative) mainstream still states that texts so far could not be deciphered. A modern Serbian reader still can read their Cyrillic like (originated in Vincha) alphabet and can understand some words. They came from Anatolia after the Trojan war? Well, now we should answer who lived in Troy and this opens so many new questions. You may know who lived in Troy? And, who was Alexander?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  187. Seraphim says:
    @Anonymous

    Aha, that’s why Dragutin Dimitrijević was called ‘Apis’! The ‘Black Hand’ (Црна рука / Crna ruka) was a ‘Mithraic mystery cult’!
    The simple truth is that the names Dimitrije, Dmytro, Dimitri, Dimitrie, Dimitar, Dumitru, Demitri, Dhimitër, Dmitry are ‘translations’ of the name of Saint Demetrios of Thessaloniki. Demetrios is a Greek name: Dēmḗtrios (Δημήτριος), meaning “devoted to Demeter”, the Olympian GODDESS of the harvest and agriculture, presiding over grains and the fertility of the earth.

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  188. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    and banned from Yidtube.
    —————————————-

    2500 years of hating all others

    especially hating Jesus who came to

    save Mankind from Satan’s spawn.

    From a diseased belief system, diseased minds.

    The battle is still on.

  189. Seraphim says:
    @White Men Can't Jump

    It is said that Etruscans called themselves Rasenna by one source only, Dionysius of Halicarnass, expressing a personal opinion [that the Etruscans were native to the land]:
    “Indeed, those probably come nearest to the truth who declare that the nation migrated from nowhere else, but was native to the country, since it is found to be a very ancient nation and to agree with no other either in its language or in its manner of living. And there is no reason why the Greeks should not have called them by this name, both from their living in towers and from the name of one of their rulers.The Romans, however, give them other names: from the country they once inhabited, named Etruria, they call them Etruscans, and from their knowledge of the ceremonies relating to divine worship, in which they excel others, they now call them, rather inaccurately, Tusci, but formerly, with the same accuracy as the Greeks, they called them Thyoscoï. Their own name for themselves, however, is the same as that of one of their leaders, Rasenna”.
    ‘Rasenna’ as a personal name is nowhere known. It sounds rather as a mishearing of a ‘T’rasena/Thyrsenus, which was the name of the leader of the immigrants from Lidya, according to Herodotus.
    Those ‘guys’ who deciphered Etruscan have no names?

    • Replies: @White Men Can't Jump
  190. @Seraphim

    I guess you are a Greek, Serafim, and maybe it is a touchy subject for you. Because of this you are avoiding answering who Alexander was and who lived in Troy. St Demetrius lived in the 4th c.AC that is much later than Mithraism. Olympian Goddess? Let see Olympian mythology. During the Trojan war Olympian gods were very involved but Greeks at that time still did not live in today’s Greece and 900 years later, at Alexander’s time, they still did not reach Mt Olympus. It is a bit funny because, according to the (non-alternative) mainstream, they entered the history 400 years before Alexander in a big style by immediately organising Olympic games.

    At the Trojan battle time or at the time of entering the history from Dark Ages, Greeks even did not have this name. Who gave them this name which was widely in use after Roman conquering in the 2nd c.BC. How could they say anything about Etruscans (some even say that they gave them the alphabet!) if they came after them? Who lived in Lidiya and Phrygia? The best approach would be to go back to the square one and answer when the future Greeks came to today’s Greece and who lived there before them… You really don’t know that Etruscan texts were deciphered?… Nothing personal, stay cool.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  191. Vojkan says:
    @Seraphim

    Take it from a Serb, the only people in the world with a similar density of mythomaniacs as the ex-Yugoslavs are the Jews. Answering to their harebrained theories is a waste of time, as all good mythomaniacs, they actually believe in what they say.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  192. Seraphim says:
    @White Men Can't Jump

    Don’t you worry. I stay cool trying not to laugh too hard. I guess you belong to this (North!) ‘Mazedonian’ ‘nation’, not sure whether they are Срби or Българи, and therefore fancying themselves Pelasgians, Trojans, Etruscans, you name it.
    Anyway Alexander was not from Скопje, but from Πέλλα. Right?

  193. Uh, many Americans are now and have been some of the biggest dopes the world has ever seen. They know little about their own history and care even less. That is why they are today, a target for every group that DOES KNOW ABOUT THEIR HISTORY AND CULTURE and respects them. Even as white’s are now threatened constantly in their own homeland, they are clueless as hell. The great president Donald Trump had the effect of reminding them of how low they have sunk. That is why he is a threat to the status quo traitors in the Senate and Congress, people who care little for this country as a nation of citizens that should be honored. Don’t believe it, just look at the disrespect democrat party leaders have along with republican rino’s like Paul Ryan, Mitch “mumbles” McConnell, the late John McCain, Lindsay Graham, the list of ‘traitors to the president and his supporters being almost endless in the republican senate.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  194. @ Dojkan
    Which kind of creature are you? A self-hating serb or just an ordinary moron? Have you found one incorrect thing? You have no idea what this is about. If you did not comment other probably would not notice your dumbness.

  195. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Excellent observations. But there are yet worse cases than those who don’t know and care even less. I presented above some obvious things which are hidden by ‘mainstream’. This is a great annoyance for self-hating individuals from the same background and they react very aggressively, simply labelling people without any argument.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  196. @Seraphim

    Your knowledge is really a sad thing. Bulgars were an Asiatic tribe who came to Europe 1000 years after Alexander. Do you know where Alexander originated from and what is the meaning of his name? Obviously not. Was there ONE Greek in his 500 years long dynasty? What was the name of his birthplace when he was born? I can give you 1000 names of Macedonian places which Serbian names were changed 90 years ago.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  197. Seraphim says:
    @Vojkan

    I am afraid that you are right. Fortunately, the Serbs I know are in their right mind.

  198. @Seraphim

    Bravo, καλιμέρα, Συγχαρητήρια . Neither one argument nor one contra-argument. Those like Dojkan are in every nation considered as pieces of shееt (i.e. gofna). Enjoy in his smelly company.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  199. Susie Q says:

    This is an embarrassing article. My Puritan ancestors led the War on Christmas. Christmas was banned in multiple colonies and was not widely celebrated in the US until after the Civil War when Ulysses S Grant made Christmas a federal holiday.

    One might argue that the American Revolution was won because the Americans were willing to attack Hessian troops on Christmas.

    Besides, the real Christmas is on January 6. It is celebrated with the Theophany.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  200. Seraphim says:
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Alexander is a Hellenic name: Ἀλέξανδρος (Aléxandros; ‘Defender of the people’, ‘Defending men’, or ‘Protector of men’). It is a compound of the verb ἀλέξειν (aléxein; ‘to ward off, avert, defend’)[3] and the noun ἀνήρ (anḗr, genitive: ἀνδρός, andrós; meaning ‘man’. It is attested at Mycene as ‘a-re-ka-sa-da-ra, (/Alexandra/’. All Macedonian Kings had Hellenic names.

  201. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thank you Joe for your kind words and thoughtful sentiments.

    every agitator and war profiteer in prison for life.

    That too is a wonderful thought, only in the spirit of peace and love and justice, I’d prefer to see them dance, purple-faced at the end of a rope.

    anyways, hope you’re having a great Christmas and New Year holiday Joe

    God bless.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  202. Rurik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (and historic reality)!

    yes it was, and we need more like it!

    Just imagine Western militaries refusing to kill the next ‘Hitler of the Month’s people.

    I saw they were calling the latest false flag a ‘Cyber Pearl Harbor!’ act of war by Russia ! >>yawn<<

    what soldier, (from any Western nation today), would be willing to march ‘once more, unto the breach’ to kill Russians, (or anyone else) based on by now brutally obvious zio-lies?

    What family member would allow their children or sibling to go off to die or kill Russians, in service to the ((ruling class)) of America/England today, as their nations are invaded and their culture, and everything dear to them, is polluted and poisoned and doomed?

    When, finally will Americans and Brits (and the French and so many others), FINALLY realize who our real enemies are?!

    Anyways, hope you’re enjoying the spectacle, A Newman.

    It’s all we can do, it seems at this point.

  203. Rurik says:
    @SS-The Independent

    Thank you so much, SS-The Independent,

    I was away for Christmas, (The Yulefest) but I was able to read and savor your beautiful Romanian words, and they buoyed my spirits.

    Dumnezeu sa te binecuvanteze, pentru tine prea.

  204. Nice one! For years I have been pointing these issues out to friends and family, only to be told to relax, that these films are just different forms of “holiday entertainment”, you know, some light humor for adults. But now that things have gone so far in this direction, I have noticed so many more people finally opening their eyes and seeing the connective strand that ties it all together. No doubt Western Christian civilization is on the chopping block of our ‘traditional enemies’ and it’s time we stop paying our hard-earned money to laugh along like a bunch of buffoons to the warped creations of our worst oppressors. We’ll never be able to save our civilization if we’re clapping like a bunch of seals every time some Yid drags our most cherished traditions through the mud (or worse). It’s time to toughen up, retain a sense of dignity and self-worth, and oppose this spiritual infection in all it’s various forms.
    The alternative is to live our lives like a cuck and watch our Western civilization get raped.
    Great Article. Thanks for writing and have a great New Year!

    https://naturalterraist.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-selective-opprobrium-of-radical-left.html

  205. Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” – John 14:6

    Merry Christmas

    And now YOU know “The Rest of the Story”

  206. @Seraphim

    There was not one Greek in Alexander’s dynasty. There was not one Greek tribe in Macedonia, few dozens of Serbian tribes are today Serbian surnames. Alexander’s real name was Lesander, ‘A’ was added by Greeks. The words ‘Hellenic’ and ‘Greek’ (i.e. Grk) are of Serbian origins. Old Greek language was similar to Pelasgian language. I appreciate your opinion/knowledge but read Demosthenes. Maybe the last question in this communication would be – when and where from the future Greeks came to today’s Greece?

  207. @Blubb

    THE TULMAD IS EXPLICIT ABOUT HOW JEWs HATE ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! Do the study by Michael Hoffman in his book “Judaism Discovered” the likes of what the world of Rabbinic Babylonian Talmudic Kabbalistic-Zoharian cultish demonic behavior is all about… The mind is a terrible thing to waste, so it is said. Thusly, what is believed is manifested in a behavioral myopia of tunnel vision… the latter, is why the word devilish was concieved. The good, the bad, and the ugly come from the creative resources of the conditioned subliminal psychological conditioning of Jews or anybody for that matter, from the day they are birthed. The child’s mind grows up to be an adult with distorted delusional and illusional perceptions of reality… The ugly behavior of racial divide… divides people into tribes and this is the hate that is generated by such delusional uneducated and unsophisticated intellegencia. The key word in intelligentsia, narcissistically highly educated people as a group, especially when regarded as possessing culture and political influence. Hence and therefore, “a distrust of the intelligentsia and of theoretical learning” The theory of Talmudic rabbinic imaginational and delusional precepts let loose on the world through Judaism’s Kabbalistic imaginings. Preach hate and the end result is deception and lying through their teeth to make peoples believe they are anti-Semitic when Jews are caught in those continues lies to and all goyim that are perceived Jewish slaves in the minds of Rabbinic Talmudic beliefs. I regress…
    Aardvark-Gnosis…

  208. map says:
    @Blubb

    This “what the pagans did first” line of reasoning is nonsense. You may as well claim that the Cross itself is a pagan symbol because the Romans used it first.

    Any arguments that claim Christianity co-opted some aspect of paganism is false on the face. The New Gods take hold because the old gods are destroyed. The new Priests take hold because the old priests are destroyed.

    Otherwise, what? The newest converts to the Christian faith never notice that the Christians are larping on all of their pagan traditions?

    The belief that, say, Christmas trees are pagan and that they were adopted by the Christians to help transition pagans to the new faith is nonsense…no matter how many times it is repeated.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  209. Vojkan says:
    @Seraphim

    Pertaining to history, all the people in the former Yugoslavia are prone to confabulation. It isn’t only a Serb disease. Of course, all Serbs aren’t lunatics but it really is tiresome to constantly have to shake off the reputation with which our nutcases burden us.

  210. Vojkan says:
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Your spelling is equally bad in English and Serbian. Given your low level of literacy in either language, I can’t ascertain your true origin but I can surmise that you’re an imbecile.

  211. Grateful says:
    @gay troll

    If you can’t see how your rampant disrespect and blasphemy of Christmas for the past

    40 odd years leads

    to deserved anti Semitism , you have to be deaf blind and dumb. We agree to be tolerant

    in this Country , but your hatred of American Christianity is totally irrational ungrateful ,

    and thankless . Hundreds of Christian Americans , New Zealanders , Canadians , Australians ,

    British , gave their lives to fight the Nazis and save your lives . It Hitler had won , there would

    be no successive Jewish generations .

  212. @map

    Actually using crosses is from paganism. Biblical mandates are not to have any symbols because people take symbols for idols or “lucky charms”.

  213. @Seraphim

    Before the apostles died there were already many false doctrines – which is why their epistles speak so much about them. The keys to the kingdom were given to the Apostles… Most of what is counted as “Christian” was not sanctioned by them… That includes claims of December 25th as a celebration of any sort.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  214. Seraphim says:
    @showmethereal

    The keys to the Kingdom and the power to bind and loose were given by the Christ to the Apostles and transmitted to their successors, the Bishops. “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven”.

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  215. @Dumbo

    Agree with everything you wrote except I found Gremlins to be stupid and not in the least entertaining. No surprise, in retrospect.

  216. @Pablo_uk

    Appreciate your comment.

    Glad I have never heard of these movies. Rather than bother with Holly-weird products past or present, it is always better to go outside for a nice walk with family or friend … and then come home to drink and waste time on unz, no?

  217. @ivan

    Excellent point. It’s because they are enraged and embarrassed that one of their own, a Jew, went “off the plantation”, told the truth as he saw it about them and everything else, and departed from their self-worshipping violent inbred sickness.

  218. Zeno says:

    Those who doubt the rabid hatred of Christ by Jews should read Israel Shahak’s book “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”. There’s little doubt of this hatred and it is clearly spelled out in the Talmud.
    I think whether one believes in religions or not, one must show some degree of restraint when poking fun of other people’s beliefs. Most certainly Hollywood and the media, never make fun of Rabbinic tradition, the Old Testament or Hebrew prophets. Why make fun of Christians? Is that going to contribute towards our tolerance of each other and live peacefully and even love another as humans?

  219. Seraphim says:
    @ivan

    ”If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning” (John 15:18-27).

  220. @Seraphim

    How could their successors be based outside of Jerusalem??? That doesn’t work…

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