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Let’s begin by acknowledging a couple of kind (re)tweets from the hereditarian-HBD side on my last Unz article on IQ and race (Why Do Blacks Outperform Whites in UK Schools?):

Murray tweet:

Sailer tweet:

After the recent death of the great James Flynn, I thought I should finally get back to writing some updated articles on expert Scrabble and why, after all these years, it still poses a fatal statistical problem for the race-IQ genetic hypothesis. I will address some of the rebuttals that have been written since my last Scrabble series, including one published in an academic journal (by Emil Kirkegaard), which has been lauded by some HBDers as clearly refuting my thesis (yes, of course Kirkegaard argues that Scrabble is not really cognitively demanding!) I will also share some new data concerning Ashkenazi Jewish performance in Scrabble, which should put to rest the question of how cognitively demanding competitive Scrabble is. After all, Jewish overrepresentation is expected to rise with increasing cognitive demands on a fair competitive achievement, going by the same HBDers’ position on Ashkenazi IQ.

The Scrabble thesis is simple: if it is true that on average black Africans in Africa score extremely low on scholastic/intelligence tests because they grow up with much less educational and other modern cultural resources (as Flynn would agree), then they should perform “extremely well” (by comparison) in those “g-loaded” cognitive contests that do not require too much of such quality cultural exposure (as Jensen would agree). Expert Scrabble requires access to only one old book that is fairly available in every country that uses a Western language: the dictionary. Beyond that, mastery depends on ability to mentally manipulate and anagram the letters you have on your rack (you have only 2 minutes on average per play), while simultaneously assessing the squares that will maximize your points above your opponent (which means you have to also constantly estimate your opponent’s most probable plays). No access to well-trained teachers, big libraries, computers or even TVs (for educational shows like Sesame Street) are needed; just raw, unfiltered mental aptitude.

What the genetic hypothesis actually predicts is that it is in those very kinds of relatively culture-free non-academic cognitive “tests” that a biological g (general intelligence) gap should be most conspicuous (see Arthur Jensen’s Spearman’s Hypothesis).

Nigeria happens to be the world’s top performing nation in English Scrabble, while francophone African countries are also the most dominant in French Scrabble, despite the fact that the top players in Western countries are super-high-IQ nerds with visibly exceptional mathematical talents (yes, competitive Scrabble is much more a math game than a word game because of that requirement for the endless calculations and strategies with tile placement).

Also, observe that Nigerian players are relatively greater in number at higher ratings. This should not happen if the reason for their good performance is their higher participation or a stronger Scrabble culture. It should be the other way around.

Country# Players in Top 10Top 100Top 1000
Nigeria22858
United States12073
England19127

The top 3 Scrabble countries. Source: WESPA ratings, last updated Oct. 17, 2020.

When I first published my series on expert Scrabble and why it presents an anomaly for the racial genetic hypothesis of IQ, the initial reaction from many in the Human Biodiversity community (HBDers/IQists) was immediate dismissal or derision, with some even showing a bit of panic, as they could instinctively see a potentially fatal problem for their treasured hypothesis, if top-level expertise in this game was indeed as cognitively demanding as I was suggesting. They stubbornly insisted that it was not cognitively demanding. Others went as far as suggesting that it is mostly a game of luck at best (which should explain why one lucky guy has won the English world championship five times and the French one two times?)

Leaning on Lynn

Well, God never fails to entertain us with his own grand sense of humor, if we can just be a little patient. Not too long after I completed my Scrabble series, I was stunned to see someone quite respected in the HBD community — the prodigious researcher and intellectual godfather himself, Richard Lynn — start using the exact same Scrabble argument, not in his usual race gap debate, but to defend his equally controversial gender gap hypothesis (adult men are biologically smarter than adult women, he says, as demonstrated by top Scrabble performance!) He even cited the same sources I used for proving the high cognitive demands of top expert competitive Scrabble that makes it discriminate objectively on mental ability.

In a 2017 special issue of Mankind Quarterly dedicated to analyzing Lynn’s gender gap developmental hypothesis (which included a critique from James Flynn himself), Lynn wrote:

“Scrabble is another cognitively demanding game involving combining letters to make words. It has been shown by Toma, Halpern and Berger (2014) that top scrabble experts have “extraordinarily high levels of visuospatial and verbal working memory capacities” and score 1.23d higher than elite college students who scored at the 93rd percentile of the quantitative SAT. There have been 38 winners of the American National Scrabble Championships 1978-2016 and 16 winners and runners-up of the Canadian National Scrabble Championships 1996- 2013. All of these have been men.” [Emphasis added]

I searched in vain for one voice among HBDers who thought it was “ridiculous” for Lynn to use Scrabble performance as an objective means of comparing the heights of cognitive potential between any two groups — constrained by how many people they can have at the extreme right end of the intelligence bell curve. A deafening silence befell the chattersphere of IQism!

Since I’ve studied this issue a bit more than my surprising new Scrabble partner, Richard Lynn, I can offer a small but important factual correction to his gender statement above for free: there has actually been one woman who won the American national Scrabble championship. The late Rita Norr, a computer scientist, won in 1987; no woman has come anywhere close to winning the English Scrabble world championship, and it has also now become equally unlikely for Norr’s achievement to be repeated on the national level, as more and more math nerds have been drawn to the game after publication of a strangely inspiring book called ‘Word Freak: Heartbreak, Triumph, Genius, And Obsession In The World Of Competitive Scrabble.’ Whether this difference in performance does indeed show an average gender cognitive gap or simply a range difference in distributions of the IQ curve (or even just a specific gender gap in math aptitude), is an issue I will choose to be agnostic about in this analysis. What matters is that white women are supposed to be much smarter than black men, especially those from Africa, according to the race hypothesis.

If Lynn saw my Scrabble articles, including the part where I actually also talked about the curious gender performance gap at the top (in a game with actually higher female participation in the US, unlike chess), it would be understandable why he wouldn’t cite my work. His readers would see exactly how I already used this apparent gender cognitive gap to logically challenge Lynn et al’s racial cognitive gap hypothesis since you can’t logically affirm both of those propositions (the biological gender gap and the biological Black-White racial gap), given this contrasting evidence.

Using Scrabble to affirm a gender gap is therefore an inadvertent own-goal against the racial gap hypothesis (and Lynn has been quite the prolific game-ending own-goal scorer over the years): if the gender gap in Scrabble confirms a biological cognitive gap, then for the exact same reasons, it refutes the genetic racial hypothesis since the Black-White racial gap is supposed to be much bigger than the gender gap (30 points or more between black Africans and whites vs only 4 points or less between white men and white women). What this implies is that if there is a real genetic Black-White intelligence gap at all, it would have to be smaller than that proposed gender gap of 4 (or less) IQ points (and at that point, the genetic gap could go in either direction, frankly), if it is indeed true that sex is differentiated in all such distinctions by a gap in cognitive potential. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Even those few HBDers who reject Lynn’s claim of a real gender IQ gap (perhaps because they don’t want to be “cancelled” on too many fronts) can’t escape this problem. Firstly, even if you believe that the only reason women are universally outperformed at the top of cognitive fields and contests is because of the higher range of male ability (more men at the top and at the bottom), you still have a problem explaining African performance since the latter’s nominal IQ is supposed to be so low that a slightly smaller white female range of ability should still put them way ahead of African men in any cognitive contest (assuming black men have a higher range). It also doesn’t help that the same hereditarians even claim to have found that black range of ability is significantly smaller than the white range (black Americans have an IQ standard deviation of 12 compared to 15 for whites, according to Jensen; this would make it smaller than white female SD and add more problems for the race hypothesis). But we do not even need to assume that lower black SD claimed by Jensen in this analysis, as that would make our effort to quantitatively falsify the genetic hypothesis much too easy!

Besides, if African men’s performance above white women is only resulting from something else in males that trumps the white female advantage in intelligence (testosterone or competitiveness or something to do with the Y chromosome), there would be no African women performing at such high levels of expertise since they would be disadvantaged by both lower racial intelligence and lower gender range of ability (or testosterone or whatever it is that supposedly disadvantages women). Nigeria’s top female player, Tuoyo Mayuku (who is almost never given a visa to travel to tournaments outside Africa), is so good that she was once able to defeat the strongest player in the world, Nigel Richards (2-1), when he played in a Nigeria-hosted tournament in 2010, a very rare feat for any female player. She was just one step from becoming the first woman to win a Nigerian tournament when she was defeated in the final by the Nigerian former world champion, Wellington Jighere.

This obviously doesn’t mean that Mayuku is as strong as Richards (who is still deservedly revered by Nigerians as the Greatest of All Time). In fact, when Richards returned to Nigeria in 2013, he got his revenge against her, before he was also defeated by veteran Nigerian-American player, Sammy Okosogah, Nigeria’s most celebrated player, who was ranked first in the U.S. itself at the height of his active playing career (see game against Richards).

Despite her inability to play internationally to gain more rating points, Nigeria’s top female player is still ranked among the top 5 women in the world. Again: this should be very unlikely if the only reason white women cannot play at the level of African men, despite their supposed racial cognitive advantage, was some mysterious non-cognitive element in females. It appears that the most parsimonious conclusion is inescapable: black African males outperform white females in cognitive games for the same cognitive reasons that white males outperform the same white females. However, this should not be true if the racial hypothesis is also true: race should be a much more insurmountable barrier than gender.

Secondly, for those HBDers who reject Lynn on gender but embrace him on race, it actually makes no sense to accept the biological race gap while rejecting the biological gender gap. If you have to accept only one of these “permanent” gaps, you logically have to choose the gender gap, not the race gap. This is simply because the performance “evidence” is much more consistent for a gender gap than for a supposed racial gap. Men outperform women at the top of all cognitive fields in every society in every year and for time immemorial, no matter how “progressive” a society was; this mirrors how biological or genetic gaps work (like the universal gender gap you see in physical sports). In the same way, the developmental cognitive gap between adults and children is evidenced by the consistently universal superior adult performance that is also identical to their superiority in physical sports. There are no exceptions (for both children and women, against men), no matter where you look, and it matters not if you motivate them or reward them. Why does this consistent pattern only break when you discuss black cognitive “inferiority” when the racial gap is supposed to be even bigger?

The IQ given for adult black Africans is literally lower than the intelligence of 12 year old white children. Yes, the same 12 year old white children who fail to beat 12 year old black African children when they grow up in the UK school system are somehow smarter than fully grown African parents!

We can see this claim documented in the controversial HBD book, Erectus Walks Amongst Us, which did a fairly good job of sourcing its data from the IQist literature in its chapter on intelligence (although its self-published author put the alleged IQ of “Homo erectus” in the wrong column of his summary table):

This claim — fully developed black adults are cognitive equals of whites when they are only 11 years old — predicts that whatever can be cognitively achieved by the best of African adult brains can equally be achieved by the best of 11 year old white brains (the best 12 and 13 year old whites would be too smart for the best black African adults!) This obvious absurdity is just one of the many real-life empirical refutations of the racial genetic hypothesis that I’ve constantly pointed out to HBDers, but which they refuse to acknowledge without giving any explanation.

Of course it would be considered a divine miracle if a group of children — white, Asian or even Jewish — from some country qualified to participate at the world championships of any true cognitive contest, never mind being the best performers there – which would be too extravagant even for God!

Some HBD friends have therefore proposed that African champions are probably using something other than general intelligence when they outperform these mentally gifted white champions. But such sudden betrayal of parsimony is what constantly pushes this once-valid hypothesis towards the scary fringes of pseudoscience.

The only hope that remains for HBDers is to continue trying as hard as they can to prove that world championship level Scrabble does not take that much cognitive ability, despite all the evidence we clearly see, including results of tests cited by their own Richard Lynn. This is obviously an absurd goal, but someone has to do the fool’s errand, lest the cherished faith succumbs to the painful fangs of reality.

Kirkegaard

One HBDer who has boldly insisted that top competitive Scrabble players are not really that smart is independent researcher Emil Kirkegaard. He published a paper in Mankind Quarterly responding to my Unz Scrabble articles.

Kirkegaard’s counter-thesis, crudely put, is that countries that are good at one complex cognitive game (including video games) are also good at the other complex cognitive games, and that therefore a game that departs more from such a correlation matrix will be less dominated by the smarter countries (and of course he “found” that Scrabble is not all that smart compared to the e-sports video games!) The reasoning sounds obviously fallacious, since national prowess at these games could easily reflect some other variable mediated through historical cultural investments. But we don’t need to debate in esoteric terms when we can just see the simple glaring contradictions in his own results.

On national esports competitive ability, Kirkegaard’s ranking methodology involves looking at the earnings of global e-sports players. This of course puts Africa at the bottom and happily confirms the HBDer’s genetic hypothesis of intelligence!

It appears that my interlocutor in the Scrabble debate, Dr. James Thompson, has now deferred to Kirkegaard’s paper as the stronger and more final rebuttal to my Scrabble thesis. While recommending Kirkegaard’s paper, Thompson rightly cautions about the problem of internet access in some countries, but he somehow still endorses the paper’s non sequitur:

Well, that is actually a weakness that makes the entire project worthless, Dr. Thompson.

Think about it. Kirkegaard has rebutted my claim — that Africans in Africa only do badly on scholastic tests because of their extremely low access to modern educational/cultural resources — by pointing out that they also do badly on contests involving computers!

This reminds one of the French Revolution fable of the infamous Queen, Marie Antoinette who, when told that the French peasants could no longer afford to buy bread, allegedly retorted, “well, let them eat cake!” Problem solved!

What makes this even more unforgivable is that Kirkegaard himself seems to have been conscious of this obvious confounding error when he wrote this paper. When addressing the anomalously poor performance of North Korea in esports, Kirkegaard has one and only one explanation: limited resources in North Korea!

“The strongest negative outlier was North Korea,” Kirkegaard writes in the conclusion, “presumably due to very limited internet access despite presumed high IQ.”

Correct.

But did Kirkegaard seriously fail to see that this makes it a decisive limiting factor for his entire project since he is also dealing with poor African countries with “presumably… very limited internet access”? Besides controlling for availability of high speed internet access, you should also find out which countries can afford to use personal computers to access that internet (e-sports are played on PCs). I know that in Nigeria, for example, any claims of superficially high internet access would be mostly through their cheap mobile phones (more than 80 percent). Additionally, Africans still have the slowest internet connections in the world. “Many countries on the continent still have bandwidth as low as 64 kilobits,” reported The Africa Report in 2019. “This is in contrast to the 270,000 megabits per second in the US.”

Arthur Jensen coined the term “sociologist’s fallacy” to describe the tendency of most people to automatically assume that all populations are genetically identical in all important traits, as they analyze any social differences. I think that most HBDers conversely commit what one might call “the hereditarian’s fallacy,” which is probably a worse equalitarian fallacy: the presumption that all environments are effectively equal, or at least that their differences cannot affect phenotypic rankings of populations on any trait. How else can one fail to see the obvious impact of such clear differences in resources?

Even if Kirkagaard somehow showed that all such internet data is wrong and that African countries secretly have sufficient resources for a booming e-sports culture, it still wouldn’t save his project as it has many other unsalvageable errors. When I looked at these high-paying e-sports tournaments, for example, I also discovered that in fact the bulk of these earnings come from local regional contests, which cannot even be accessed through the internet. You can easily see this at the website that Kirkegaard used by simply clicking on “offline earnings” and compare that to “online earnings.” The highest offline earner has made almost 7 million dollars in his video game career, whereas the top online earner has made over ten times less.

This means that if Africans had good access to good computers and high speed internet, their earnings would still have been sharply constrained by the number of locally organized video game tournaments and the prize money that corporate sponsors would put up, a factor that is doubly confounded by other economic variables. You might of course argue that economic differences are themselves determined by IQ, but that would be the circular argument fallacy: it is that very direction of causality that is contested here.

Note that Africa market is also the smallest for video games generally and the top 3 nations are also top 3 in competitive esports. Source: Fandom.com

Finally, if there’s any doubt left, consider the fact that Kirkegaard’s results do not even distinguish between the strategy video games and the shoot-em-up ones — officially called “First Shooter Person” games — in levels of cognitive demand.

In one of the top papers Kirkegaard cited for proof that esports are cognitively demanding, the authors (Kokkinakis et al) did in fact find a big difference between the strategy video games and the shooting games, as we would all intuitively expect.

Here’s how esportsearnings.com, the site used by Kirkegaard, describes the game of Overwatch, which ranks quite high on Kirkagaard’s cognitive list:

“Overwatch is a squad-based first-person shooter developed by Blizzard Entertainment. …

It moves away from Blizzard’s mainstay of real-time strategy games such as StarCraft II and WarCraft III. … Many of the best Overwatch players transitioned over from other competitive scenes such as Quake Live, Team Fortress 2 and Battlefield 4 .”[My emphasis]

From Kirkegaard’s paper:

Notice that the shooter games Overwatch (ow) and Counter-Strike (cs) load more on this Jensenian “general mental sports” factor and even predicts national IQ better than the strategy game Dota 2, according to Kirkegaard. If anything, the paper just proves that you can easily (mis)use Jensen’s “Method of Correlated Vectors” to support some spurious correlations, as others have long pointed out.

To absolutely confirm this conclusion, I took a brief look at the countries that are the best at the shooter game Overwatch. South Korea has 17 of the top 20 Overwatch players. South Korea is also dominant in some strategy video games (13 of the top 20 in League of Legends). The only logical inference here is that intelligence has little, if anything, to do with the esports dominance of countries like South Korea (notice that it is even more dominant in a first person shooting game than in a strategy one). The only explanation is just differential cultural investment, but this is where the biggest blindspot comes in for HBD IQists: they always confuse the direction of causality because they tend to ignore all historical trends that could easily explain a society’s artificially elevated “cognitive” performance, because in their minds it all begins in the genes. (Of course when black Africans perform well, the same HBDers suddenly become cultural anthropologists and swiftly explain away that “anomaly”!)

The Wikipedia page on e-sports gives us some history that is more consistent with our observation of South Korea being good at both strategy games and shooter games:

“The popularity and recognition of esports first took place in Asia, specifically in China and South Korea, with the latter having licensed professional players since 2000…The growth of esports in South Korea is thought to have been influenced by the mass building of broadband Internet networks following the 1997 Asian financial crisis.”

It’s easy to see why this logically produced a pattern that appears to correlate with Lynn’s IQ of nations list. Any collection of “achievements” in which East Asians are first, and Africans are last, will (by default) have Europeans etc in the middle, and will therefore tend to correlate with Lynn’s IQ ranks even if they have absolutely nothing to do with IQ. I am pretty sure that if you rank nations by their achievements in ping-pong, for example, you will find quite a decent correlation with Lynn’s IQs of nations. I would not be shocked if ping pong loads higher than Scrabble on Kirkegaard’s “general mental” factor!

What IQ?

Now, if we “steel-man” Kirkagaard’s thesis by ignoring all the errors and contradictions, is there a chance that the top video game players (at least the ones who are good at strategy games) are smarter than the top Scrabble players? No. And the simple reason we know this for certain is that their intelligence was apparently also measured. When Kokkinakis et al say that top League of Legend players are very smart, they mean “115-120 IQ” smart. Yes, 115 – 120 is higher than the IQ of an average American university, but it is probably lower than the IQ of a selective elite university, at which the average SAT quantitative score is at the 93rd percentile. By contrast, the tested top American Scrabble players scored more than 1 standard deviation above such good students of an elite university on raw cognitive tests. Kirkegaard gets it exactly the opposite.

1.23d above elite college students is stratospheric levels of gifted intelligence.

I checked the SAT scores of these elite college students in the Toma study cited by Lynn: it is above 1400. This is approximately equivalent to an IQ above 137. These top Scrabble players are then 1.23d above that in intelligence, as Lynn reports(!) The fact that this sample had about 25% women says that these are not even the very top of Scrabble players since there are almost never more than 5 women in the top 100 of Scrabble. In fact, Thompson did report that at IQ 155, you do find that a quarter are women, which is exactly what you find if these Scrabble masters are at 155, although it indicates that the very top (where there are only 5% women) might be even higher in IQ.

If we just limit ourselves to IQ 155, then statistically there should be practically no Nigerian there, given population mean IQ of 70 and SD 15. If we protest this IQ as too high and assume the top Scrabble players be only IQ 145 (because the researchers mis-tested them and the gender ratio confirmation by Thompson is just a coincidence), we still can get only 57 people in the whole of Nigeria, compared to 442, 914 people in the US alone at that lowered 145. It is still impossible to explain Nigerian performance.

Also recall that at IQ 145, the number of white females (in the US alone) will still be in the hundreds of thousands, compared to a few dozen Nigerian males. This is why we said Africans should numerically have no chance of outperforming white women if top performance is distinguished by a group’s population in that gifted range of ability (even if you offered that black Nigerian racial/national IQ is 85 and not 70, it still doesn’t work). The racial hypothesis can only survive this anomaly if Lynn is wrong about Scrabble’s performance being limited by intelligence at the highest levels.

However, we do have further conclusive evidence that such top performance is indeed strongly distinguished by intelligence, and that 155 IQ or higher is not an unreasonable threshold for the very best. And that further evidence is? Ashkenazim.

Remember that the more you lower an IQ threshold for distinction, the less Ashkenazi Jews can distinguish themselves numerically (due to their small population), which means that the awards which are the most cognitively challenging will tend to have the highest ratio of Jewish recipients, ceteris paribus.

Scrabbling Jews

“Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data. They score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European average, corresponding to an IQ 112-115…, although a recent review concludes that the advantage is slightly less, only half a standard deviation, Lynn (2004). …Ashkenazi Jews are just as successful as their tested IQ would predict, and they are hugely overrepresented in occupations and fields with the highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about 3% of the US population but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes and 25% of the ACM Turing awards. They account for more than half of world chess champions.” – Cochran, Hardy, Harpending, A Natural History of Ashkenazi Jews.

So, Cochran et al say that Ashkenazi Jews are overrepresented in fields that have the “highest cognitive demands.” Lynn says competitive Scrabble is one such high cognitive demand game. How Ashkenazi-overrepresented is Scrabble?

In my past articles I referenced some sources (including the NewYork Times) that have alluded to some Ashkenazi dominance in Scrabble, but I could not tell its precise extent. Now I have more definitive evidence: at least by the year 2005, a good 50 percent of English Scrabble’s world champions had been of Ashkenazi Jewish descent!

This happens to be the same ratio of Ashkenazi Jews who had historically been chess world champions at that same time. Notice that Jews apparently find it even easier to be numerically dominant in these two cognitive games than in academic awards, probably because there’s some level of discretion involved in awarding the academic prizes (for example, some people argue quite persuasively that Ashkenazi Albert Einstein could have won the Physics world championship at least 7 times, if the awarding of the Nobel Prize was anywhere near as objective as the chess or Scrabble world championships).

Incidentally, this Jewish dominance in English Scrabble is not restricted to US players, which makes it even more convincing. The first British world champion of Scrabble was Jewish (the country only has a 0.3% Jewish population), as was the first Canadian world champion (from 1.2% of the population). More recently (2017), Australia has produced its first Scrabble world champion in David Eldar (whom I had expected to win it one day, from his performance stats, and whose ethnicity I had guessed as Ashkenazi Jewish from a few clues in his bio.) The Australian Eldar is indeed now confirmed to be Ashkenazi Jewish too, in a country that has only 0.5% Jews.

My point is that there should be no high visibility of black Africans at the top of any cognitive field that is also visibly dominated by Jews if the only explanation for such Jewish dominance is their relative abundance among super-gifted people (at the extreme right tail end of the IQ bell curve: the only region where women are extremely scarce.)

Another visual from Erectus Walks Amongst US makes this quantitative prediction more transpicuous and its refutation less ambiguous, at least to the honest naked eye:

Besides the Scrabble anomaly, you should also intuitively see from this graphic why it is irrational and silly to keep arguing that children of anglophone black Africans perform so well in Western schools (above IQ 100) simply because their many thousands of migrant parents are self-selected from that “gifted” range (before their children’s regression towards the mean). There are simply not supposed to be enough black Africans in the region of IQ required to make such a claim even remotely plausible.

The Scrabble case is particularly persuasive because these players are all Africans living in Africa, many of them under conditions of poverty (Wellington Jighere, former world champion from Nigeria has now quit Scrabble because it left him in even worse poverty — which contradicts those HBDers who flippantly claim that the Nigerian team is only good because their government pays them so much money that they are among the wealthiest citizens!)

Bottom line: the predictions of the genetic racial hypothesis are empirically contradicted here. The more liberally a cognitive activity rewards Ashkenazi ethnicity for occupying the right end of the intelligence bell curve, the more severely it should punish black African ethnicity for being genetically constricted to its left end.

Chanda Chisala, originally from Zambia, has been a John S. Knight Visiting Fellow at Stanford University, a Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution, and a Reagan-Fascell Fellow at the National Endowment for Democracy.

 
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  1. g8way says:

    What I like most about people who think of themselves as scholarly and erudite is their ability to be completely oblivious to the concept of sanity checking their ideas against common sense. Maybe in that way they have mental superpowers almost at the level of Nigerian Scrabblers.

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  2. A mountain of chatter about nothing much. Some people play games. Am I bad at boxing because I’ve never tried it and have no interest? Or is it my IQ, gender, and level of Africanity? What a crock!

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  3. Right_On says:

    I have known keen Scrabble players who were proficient at the game who didn’t strike me as exceptionally bright. Sure, they weren’t thickos either. They usually just loved word games, so also enjoyed crossword puzzles.
    Isn’t one striking difference between having a high score on an I.Q. test and being a good Scrabble player that intelligence testing is now standardized and measurable?
    Proficiency at chess would be a more accurate indicator of high intelligence as no chance allotment of pieces is involved, but is still no substitute for a time-tested IQ questionnaire.

  4. joe2.5 says:

    Expert Scrabble requires access to only one old book that is fairly available in every country that uses a Western language: the dictionary.

    Sorry, that’s bullshit at first sight: it’s not as if all possible word units in a given language were available to every speaker’s memory. In fact, the number of such words beyond those of basic everyday conversation is dependent on
    – experience, schooling and reading, mostly on the latter;
    – knowledge of cognate languages and classical languages;
    – excellent spelling skills, at least for your discussion of English and French.

    So access to a large number of books and to some, generally expensive, education is necessary for the vocabulary pool. The combination and strategy abilities are distinct from memory access to words, of course, but I couldn’t find where you prove that the word pool is insignificant in Scrabble performance.

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  5. Instead of being a race realist Chisala’s thesis is basically that Africa and Nigeria would be XYZ were it not for “environmental constraints”. In other words things would “normalize” under a level playing field.

    This logic is no different from phantom systemic racism Sailer keeps highlighting which some people believe accounts for black underachievement and dysfunction in the West.

    Chisala’s lament about poor Internet speeds disadvantaging Africans illustrates this fallacy. He ignores DIY South Koreans who built world class infrastructure long ago without benefactors.

    Before dominating gaming Northeast Asians, like Northern Europeans, cracked fabricating semiconductors and very large-scale integration (VLSI) used to manufacture integrated circuits (ICs) found in servers, PCs, laptops, consoles, tablets and mobile phones.

    BTW Nigeria recently surpassed India with regard to open defecation. Instead of bragging about playing Scrabble and video games why not focus on addressing this and other basic needs first like Joseph Bazalgette did for London?

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  6. j2 says:

    A person may have a dictionary and an IQ of 155, yet be quite poor in Scrabble. So, it is not only possession of a dictionary and an IQ of 155 that makes you good at Scrabble. Thus, many of those
    very good in Scrabble may not have an IQ of 155 but they have learned to play it very well.

  7. AKAHorace says:

    I have the impression that I lot (perhaps most ?) of Africans know several languages. Is it possible that this could help develop the skills for scrabble ?

  8. TG says:

    One point: we forget that standard IQ is normed by age.

    In terms of what is called “fluid intelligence,” someone who is 80 years old and has an IQ of 100 is significantly less intelligent than someone who is 20 years old and has an IQ of 100.

    The mean age of people in Africa is way lower than in the west.

    So sure, Africans might not have the skill and experience (“crystalline intelligence.”). And perhaps if the IQ is lower even after being age-matched, then the African elites might be less skilled than western elites (though with the current shambolic track record of western elites, it’s how to see how that’s even possible).

    But: an 18 year old Nigerian scrabble player could easily have more raw spatial/numeric brain power than a 65 year old European – it just won’t be reflected in the age-normed IQ scores.

    • Replies: @Trumpeter
  9. Rahan says:

    Think article made me think along lines I’ve already been going lately.

    For example that Western liberasts actually believe all the “racist prejudice” but “secretly” and thus use censorship against this “ugly truth” while pretending they don’t believe in it.

    If, however, this stuff can be discussed in a more reasonable and free manner (and on a global international stage, with Serbian, Kenyan, Chinese, Pakistani, Nicaraguan analysts weighing in!) then this would far more likely dismantle the “ugly truths” which the Western liberasts pretend to not believe in but actually do.

    It could turn out that today US urban blacks are rapist murderous thieving thugs because of GloboHomo and not because of “bad rednecks” nor “bad genes”. And once you fix the influence of GloboHomo, which feeds off this chaos and uses it, within a generation US urban blacks will, like post-Soviet Russians, become normal.
    And it will also turn out that if you put Negros into a normal infrastructure, and you don’t “celebrate” gangsta culture or “diverse approaches to being on time and achieving results” and don’t whip up constant anti-white hysteria, they can learn to maintain entrusted patches of civilization no worse than Sri Lankans or Cambodians or Syrians. Even South Africa may indeed become a leading country if the neo-Soviet bullshit there stops before they’ve burned through the infrastructure inheritance.

    However, stopping censorship of “racist fascists” theories is a must (“not censoring” and “actively promoting and building policy upon” are actually different things), and facilitating constant international debates is also a must. It would be great fun to see some Dugin or Kara-Murza type debate a GloboHomo type and an Amren type and a Zambian professor in a friendly atmosphere.

    At one point the West took a fork in the road to less transparency, less freedom of speech and thought, less diversity of opinion. That’s ain’t a pretty road and it don’t lead to nice places.

    • Agree: acementhead, St-Germain
    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Irish Savant
  10. Wyatt says:
    @Rahan

    If blacks require a degree of discipline that cannot be guaranteed to be maintained and turn into rape-murderers the moment that pressure is no longer applied, doesn’t that mean they’re inherently dangerous because they’re just a fatherless home away from turning feral?

    • Replies: @Rahan
  11. @AKAHorace

    I doubt that. That would have given those who are multilingual in America a Scrabble performance advantage too (over Americans who are monolingual). It doesn’t seem to.

  12. Rahan says:
    @Wyatt

    If there’s no underlying organic social structure to control and direct their impulses–yes.
    But the same happened to the Russians, once the Soviet system first dismantled the underlying organic social structure, and then itself collapsed, leaving only feral prison-gang reality in its wake.

    It took a generation of Putinism to rebuild at least partially both the enforcing superstructure above, and reseed the underlying organic social structure below.

    Western GloboHomo’s trick is to dismantle the underlying organic social structure over generations, slow-boil mode, as opposed to the original Bolshevik sharp painful fast way, and take on (badly) all the functions of the family, the church, the community, etc, and become a 100% monopolist of reality, using the people it supposedly “helps” as mere biomass for its psychopathic megalomaniac agendas.

    Provide a feral people with a Putinist double-punch of enforcing actual discipline from above and rebuilding (or grafting on) organic social structures from below, and the results do arrive. At least in post-Soviet societies in Eurasia and Eastern Europe. Some of them had homicide levels ABOVE those of Honduras and Guatemala and South Africa, before either knitting back together a normal society, or being forced to become normal through billy clubs and jail sentences, until organic normality started kicking in once the generations shifted.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  13. @j2

    “A person may read physics books and have an above average IQ and yet be quite poor at theoretical physics. So, it is not only reading physics books and having an IQ above average that makes you good at theoretical physics.

    Thus, many of those good at theoretical physics may not have an above average IQ.”

    I’m not sure your deduction works too well.

    • Replies: @j2
  14. The IQ given for adult black Africans is literally lower than the intelligence of 12 year old white children. Yes, the same 12 year old white children who fail to beat 12 year old black African children when they grow up in the UK school system are somehow smarter than fully grown African parents!

    Wow! Now we know that those British schools are crushing it. When 12 year old kids are blowing away their own parents re IQ, that is some impressive schooling. Or something.

  15. Realist says:

    Spelling Bees, Scrabble, and Chess are games. All three require a great memory. The first two require memorizing the spelling and meaning of words…the third requires memorization, plus the ability to anticipate possible future actions a few steps ahead.
    To my knowledge, the best practitioners of these games have no advantage in producing a livelihood or in any way enhancing the human condition.

    IQ tests, attempt to measure a subject’s ability to use reason, logic, and abstract thinking in solving complex problems.

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
    • Thanks: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. Fr. John says:

    All of this is fine and dandy, and Mr. Chisala has every right to laud the IQ superior specimens of his race…. IN HIS HOME COUNTRY.

    However, I see no pressing intellectual reason, nor do I find ANY verbal corroboration in Holy Scripture, or the first millennium of Church history (prior to the Great Schism of 1054 AD) that mandates:

    1) that the Negro is my ‘brother’
    2) that I should allow, countenance, or permit non-Whites in my homeland.
    3) that fraternization with pagans (even White Missionary civilized pagans) is an overall benefit to either my soul (Command against Adulteration) or my racial heritage (Tob. 4:12).

    In other words, I would be glad to visit Wakanda, should it ever exist. But, even so, I much prefer the Shire and my own ‘green and pleasant land’ to remain Monoracial, Monolingual, and Monotheistic. All very good Scrabble words.

    End of Story.

  17. j2 says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Many of those who are very good at theoretical physics do have an IQ below 155 and are still
    often better in theoretical physics than many of those who do have IQ of 155. Experience does matter very much. Many things really depend on how much you have done it. I have a dictionary but I doubt
    I would be any good in Scrabble as I have no idea what that game is and no interest in learning it. So,
    what does it say of my IQ? Nothing. But the issue that you try to prove things with examples. National IQ is about averages.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Chanda Chisala
  18. Wyatt says:
    @Rahan

    If there’s no underlying organic social structure to control and direct their impulses–yes.

    I think you nailed it. Blacks never really had an advanced version of this that was capable of making them true first worlders. When the US opened up Japan in 1867, all it did was introduce modern science and academia into an already robust social fabric. It took them all of 40 years to modernize and take on and defeat a European power in the Russo-Japanese War. We barely touched the Japanese, but made of them a great nation and a wealthy people by introducing them to new ways of thinking. Japan is a great place to live if you can manage it despite the island being extremely poor in natural resources and arable land.

    Conversely, when the British, the French and the Dutch entered Africa, they never found much of anything beyond backwards tribals. Africa never advanced past the point where the European influence left and still hasn’t. Once white people were no longer there to prop them up, they became tribals again, but with guns and semi-functional industry.

    The distinction, I think, between blacks and everyone else is that you need to make a dedicated effort to destroy the social cohesion between non-blacks to render them feral, but to make blacks feral, you can just leave them to their own devices and they’ll do it themselves. That, I think, explains the danger they present to not only themselves, but everyone else.

    • Agree: Jim Bob Lassiter
    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @xcd
  19. Blacks and scrabble and IQ? A good test for a Nigerian that performs extremely well at scrabble would be to test his ability to put words together in a coherent essay.

    I suspect he’d fail to use the words he’s most familiar with to write a legible essay that could be interpreted by his peers or anyone else.

    In Nigeria with little access to fathers, food, electricity, TV or other types of pastimes, I can see cheap available games like scrabble being very popular.

    Long hours of playing year after year from early childhood would lead to enforced rote learning. The years of repetition simply burns the technique into the memory. Much like the way animals are trained.

    Take black British MP David Lammy. He is currently a member of Her Majesty’s Opposition in the British Parliament. He has held various roles in government: Shadow Secretary of State for Justice, Shadow Lord Chancellor and, under Gordon Brown, Minister of State for Universities.

    David Lammy once appeared as a contestant on a TV quiz show. A question posed to him was: What was the married name of Marie and Pierre who won the 1903 Nobel Prize in recognition of their joint research on the radiation phenomena?

    Lammy answered: Antoinette. He obviously assumed that because the forename Marie was mentioned in the question, the answer had to be Antoinette, as in the last queen of France before the French Revolution.

    The correct answer to the question was Curie. Marie and her husband Pierre Curie won the Nobel Prize in 1903.

    Lammy hadn’t the cognitive analytical prowess to work out that Marie Antoinette simply could not have won a Nobel Prize for physics in 1903.

    Then Lammy got this question: Name the building that was used in France by Cardinal de Richelieu as a prison?

    Lammy’s answer: Versailles. He obviously meant the Palace of Versailles, the principal residence of French Royals until the French Revolution.

    The correct answer was the Bastille. A question about France and a prison in an historical context would immediately bounce Bastille into the mind of even a barely literate school child.

    Another question posed to Lammy: Who succeeded Henry VIII to the English throne?

    Lammy answered: Henry VII. Edward VI was the correct answer. Many wouldn’t have known that off the bat, but if guessing, they’d hardly have progressed downwards with the numerals.

    Lammy may have been displaying one of the problems with rote learning. This type of learning doesn’t exercise the brain to develop analytical or problem-solving skills.

    I very much suspect the Nigerian scrabble players would be like Lammy if put on the spot.

    David Lammy also at one time showed his IQ to be wanting. He criticized a BBC host for questioning someone on whether they thought white or black smoke would be emitted from the chimney in the Vatican. This question came up because the Vatican’s cardinals were in the process of electing a new pope.

    The mere mention of the word black was enough to have Lammy lash out with accusations of racism.

    Might I mention black British MP Diane Abbott? I’ll only mention her in so far as, if Winston Churchill knew she was a British MP, he’d be dreadfully sorry for opposing Hitler.

    Sub-Saharan Africans have a hell of a lot to fix before they’ll ever get to the point where they’ll have the right to argue that their IQs are equal or superior to Whites.

    • Agree: Right_On, Pheasant
  20. lloyd says: • Website

    Coloured people do out pace all others in acquisition of language(s). It is associative acquisition rather than hierarchical. John Derbyshire in Unz Review appeared to admit to that from his experience in China. He absurdly called it parrot. In New Zealand, Maori in one generation became bi lingual while the white population who actually built the country, generally find bilingualism impossible and a waste of time anyway. Maori soldiers even became tri lingual after a year or so in Italy. IQ measures hierarchical logical thinking not scrabble thinking. Comedians are invaribly coloured and usually the best. The coloured menial worker can be hilarious. It is possible I don’t know what the hell I am talking about. But in tribal societies, language acquisition is a life and death issue so that encourages evolution in that area. While hierarchical thinkers built structures that protected them from foreign language speakers. In South Africa, the Africaner house wife normally never mastered more than one language while her coloured servants she thought knuckle headed spoke several.

  21. Antiwar7 says:
    @j2

    Chisala is saying that the top players in Scrabble have high IQ, and that’s not possible from the supposedly-genetically-fixed mean and standard deviation (yes, involving “averages”) of IQ measured in Africa. He’s arguing those low measured numbers are not genetically fixed.

    Ron Unz, can I ask your opinion on this? I take it from your writings that you’re likely in broad agreement with Chisala?

    P.S.: If the purpose of the US empire is to suck the wealth out of places like Africa, this would tend to imply that such actions are helping to cause the low IQ in Africa. If that’s dangerous, then maybe they should mitigate their extraction rate.

    • Replies: @j2
  22. Peter Frost says: • Website

    Chanda,

    These Nigerians seem to be disproportionately of the “Biafran” variety.

    Tuoyo Mayuku – born in Delta state
    Wellington Jighere – born in Delta state
    Sammy Okosagah – ?

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
  23. Stealth says:

    Yes, the same 12 year old white children who fail to beat 12 year old black African children when they grow up in the UK school system …

    Is that really true? I’ve seen no evidence here in the United States to indicate that black people are on average smarter than white people. Something just doesn’t add up about that claim.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  24. @lloyd

    You and a few others on here are trumpeting that blacks are good at languages and usually are multilingual.

    If this is true, then why is it also a fact that wherever black demographics have been established (Caribbean for instance) the English they have been taught always quickly devolves into a creole or pidgin?

    • Replies: @Ponder
  25. anon[206] • Disclaimer says:

    Nigeria is the world! champion in a boardgame. Wow! I wonder what country is the world champion in Yahtzee or Chinese Checkers.

  26. @Peter Frost

    I don’t think Igbo factor explains it, Peter. Jighere is Delta state but not Igbo.

    The one in the article main picture, Ayorinde Saidu, is actually Yoruba.

    And he was Africa champion: https://www.facebook.com/NigeriaScrabbleFederation/posts/congratulations-to-saidu-ayorinde-adebanjo-the-new-african-scrabble-champion/1303966056341752/

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ayorinde

    I think Okosagah might be Igbo, though. I’ll confirm.

  27. SZ says:

    Interesting and intriguing like Chanda’s other articles.
    I also don’t buy the low-IQ explanation for the obvious failure of almost all societies who have a Bantu majority. Ireland used to score low in IQ tests but look where they are now. Their genes have likely not changed in a few decades. Rather the opening up of the society probably made them score better in the tests. China was not low IQ either when millions where dying of hunger due to mismanagement.
    The dysfunction of most Bantu nations (and of the Black minorities elsewhere) appears to be more related to the lack of a stable family model as mentioned by Emmanuel Todd in his ‘The Causes of Progress’ and not due to lack of a smart fraction of Blacks, of which there are many. But that smart fraction cannot assert itself in any productive way if even the most basic rules of conduct are not respected by the majority of people, a consequence of the traditional non-existence of a stable family in any possible form (and no, the single mother family is not a ‘family’ in the Toddian universe).
    In the same logic, the adoption of Black modes of copulation and childbearing by the White lower classes will eventually lead to African levels of dysfunction and disorganisation while Paul Kagame’a insistence on legal monogamy (if it can be enforced for at least 3 generations) could be expected to accelerate Rwanda’s development way ahead of its neighbours.

    • Thanks: Pheasant
  28. Ron Unz says:

    Well, in glancing over this thread, I’m somewhat sympathetic with some of the various criticisms being leveled. But I think those critics are missing the key issue that the author is addressing…

    For decades, the canonical position of harder-core IQists has been that Sub-Saharan Africans have a mean IQ of around 70 or so, which allegedly represents a valid measure of their actual expressed intelligence. Moreover, that figure has supposedly been innate and only been slightly influenced by environmental factors, while the standard deviation is roughly the same as that for Europeans, namely about 15 points.

    But if those facts were correct, then only the tiniest sliver—0.25%—of Africans would have IQs of 115 or higher, and virtually none of them above 130.

    Since current worldwide total of white Europeans is very roughly the same as the number of black Africans, the former would outnumber the latter by 100-to-1 at IQ > 115, and probably something like 5000-to-1 for IQ > 130. Therefore, even leaving aside the relative lack of educational resources and such, it would seem extraordinarily unlikely that there would be any African scrabble champions whatsoever.

    But since there clearly are, the canonical IQist position is just as ridiculous as it’s always seemed to be.

    • Agree: utu
  29. Truth says:
    @Badger Down

    Please try it, preferably against a very large professional, who has recently gone through a bad divorce, and a shady manager; and report back to us.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  30. Rahan says:

    According to Professor Dugin, the three Logoi of civilization are:
    Apollo (patriarchal, vertical hierarchy, mind over matter, light),
    Dionysus (androgynous, ecstatic meeting of opposites, dark),
    and Cybele (matriarchal, horizontal, material, black)
    https://eurasianist-archive.com/2019/04/22/noomakhia-the-three-logoi-apollo-dionysus-and-cybele/
    https://eurasianist-archive.com/2019/04/25/introduction-to-noomakhia-video-lecture-series-by-alexander-dugin/

    The Negro cultures of Africa are Cybelian cultures, originally. https://eurasianist-archive.com/2019/08/05/noomakhia-the-logos-of-africa-the-people-of-the-black-sun/

    Then again, every culture stands atop the initial organic Lovecraftian chaos of the Great Mother.
    https://eurasianist-archive.com/2018/08/21/thinking-chaos-and-the-other-beginning-of-philosophy/

    What’s done is done, in terms of colonialism. From now on everyone develops their own way, and sooner or later the logoi everywhere will recombine into functional forms, as long as certain GloboHomo powers don’t constantly interfere and attempt to parasitically wedge themselves in.

    **

    I’ll say this:
    I’d rather read mainstream Nigerian news https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/02/homosexuality-anglican-communion-in-nigeria-affirms-rejection/
    I’d rather check out Nigerian mainstream pop culture https://www.nollywoodwatch.com/
    …than read mainstream US news or watch mainstream US TV and films. It has come to that.
    The Nigerian stuff may seem more “naïve”, but it’s also way more honest.

    Also, as South Africa systematically dismantles itself, Nigeria is gradually finding its own way, evading the collapse (knock on wood) of unfortunate places like Congo. Nigeria is divided into a Muslim half (north) and a Christian half (south), and with some luck this is already meshing into a workable mix broadly equivalent (when measured through Apollonian filters) to Indonesia or the Philippines or Iran.

    Who knows, 30 years from now the old joke that Russia is Nigeria with snow may in fact become true, but not in the way initially intended.

    • Thanks: Polemos
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Ian Smith
  31. @lloyd

    Regarding acquisition of additional languages, I can only note that what you say is not born out in the US with just a casual observation of Afro-American mastery of even a (compared to English) simple language such as something resembling a standard Latin American Spanish. Even the King Size Bullshitter in Charge himself (Obama) failed to acquire any real proficiency in any Pakistani language despite spending time there and having Paki associates in college.

  32. Oh well.
    One day Blacks will be even able to play chess. You will see.

    • Replies: @Gro jo
  33. Comparing apples with oranges appears to be a problem. Knowing the IQ of an employee is good to know. For example the 2nd highest IQ measured at one point was a guy called Garth Zietsman in South Africa. But he was not and never will be the President of that country, or any country. Having said that, there is also something called Personality Tests that can show wether someone can handle stress or not. Perhaps the writer of this article just don’t know what to do with his data and how to turn it into information. What I would suggest is that he links it to studies done on chimpazees showing how they have photographic memories, done by a woman called Victoria in Australia (can’t remember her surname, sorry). A second research angle more favourable to me would be to link to dark organizations in the sense of deviancy. Some people are simply that much more deviant than others and it appears to have a cultural/genetic origin.

  34. Sorry, not enough high-value letters in this essay.

    I’m just glad the intellectual reputation of my race doesn’t hinge on the results of a board game.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • LOL: acementhead
  35. gotmituns says:
    @lloyd

    Who cares how many languages blacks can speak? It doesn’t change the fact they’re 90+% useless people who can’t/won’t do the easiest things in life.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @padre
  36. @Ron Unz

    No doubt the truth lives somewhere in between the “canonical” and the wishful. In other words, sub-Saharan Africans — on average — are not as stupid as you say they are claimed to be, and they are not a smart as Chisala wishes us to believe.

    There is certainly more to intelligence and to real-world results than IQ. What is sad is that a clearly intelligent writer has to return, again and again, to a board game, a single board game, to prove his point.

    He is as wrong as anyone here if he wants us to think that sub-Saharan Africans — on average — are just as intelligent as Europeans. They are not, and it doesn’t take a Scrabble game or an IQ test to just see that fact on its face and in real world results.

    If you or he or anyone else wants us to think otherwise, you or they will have to come up with some other results — ones that contradict the entirety of human history and current development — not just a damned board game.

  37. anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    “The IQ given for adult black Africans is literally lower than the intelligence of 12 year old white children. Yes, the same 12 year old white children who fail to beat 12 year old black African children when they grow up in the UK school system are somehow smarter than fully grown African parents!”

    A two- year-old chimp may have the same or greater “intelligence” as/than a two-year-old human. But a ten-year-old chimp still only has the intelligence of a two-year-old human, while the human, presumably, has continued to progress, and will for several more years. Northern peoples tend to reach their full maturity at a later stage than southern peoples.

  38. Scrabble and video games eh? I guess the solution to all of Africa’s problems is to get all the smart kids some actual productive hobbies instead of board games and grand theft auto. Maybe they can team up with the Hindu spelling bee whiz kids.

  39. bispora says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron,

    Take this:
    In Hungary the avereage IQ is around 98. So it would extraordinarily unlikely that there would be any Hungarian female chess World Champion. But there were several. What was the trick?

    • Replies: @lloyd
  40. j2 says:
    @Antiwar7

    I understand Chisala’s argument, but it works by taking examples and these examples are not easy to interpret. If his example would be that he found, say 33,000 over IQ 155 people in Nigeria (i.e., 1 in 6000), then the conclusion would be that they have the average IQ of 100, or they have very high standard deviation. But Chisala takes as an example a game Scrabble. All games require some talent and some skill. It is nearly impossible to say how much each matters, and you can say it only about averages. Thus, you can say that top Scribble players have an average IQ of 155. But it does not mean that all players have this average. There may well be a subgroup that does well without so high average IQ because of other reasons, like certain talent in this kind of things or more training in this kind of things. If Richard Feynman had the IQ of 128 and was a Nobelist in theoretical physics and Garry Kasparov had an IQ 135 in an actual IQ test, then we cannot take a task, field or game and say that as the average IQ on this thing is estimated to be on some high range, the best people on that thing necessarily must have an IQ at least as high as this level. That is a false conclusion. IQ is of averages: we can probably assign an average IQ to many tasks, but it does not give the right to conclude that the example cases of that task have this IQ. IQ measures only one thing correctly: success in the school. There are different mental tasks that are not so well reflected by the IQ. A person with an IQ of 155 is fairly good in all mental tasks without training, but a person who trains can often be better in a given task though he has a lower IQ.

    That said, I do not think Sub-Saharan IQ is as low as 70. IQ is not a innate property and reflects the environment, and there can very well be very intelligent Nigerians. None of this is any contradiction, and it is not logical for Chisala to accept a claim of higher Ashkenazi Jewish IQ and deny racial IQ differences. But it is logical to accept racial IQ differences between main races that have been separated for 50,000 years and to deny the high Ashkenazi Jewish IQ, a difference that would have appeared very recently, as there is a simpler explanation for all evidence pointing to it.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  41. @Right_On

    This is more nonsense–Scrabble and Intelligence. Before this it was if you were a great Chess Player you were super intelligent. Gary Kasporov considered by many as the greatest Chess Player ever said this: “Excelling at chess has long been considered a symbol of more general intelligence. That is an incorrect assumption in my view, as pleasant as it might be.” In fact, in an interview years ago I think he put it more bluntly, ” If you are good at Chess may be it means you are just good at Chess and nothing else.”

    Also, I’m sick and tired of the “Magic Jew” intellectual ADVANTAGE! Jews look good because they rig the system for their advantage. They control the pathways economic and social including those at the university level. If they are so good at Math I’ve met few Jewish Engineers. And the best engineers tend to white guys, then Chinese, and finally the worse are the Indians, and Pakistanis and a few other reprobates.

    If these Africans (Nigerians) are so good at visual spatial intelligence why aren’t they building the infrastructure in Africa? The Chinese are doing it and putting African Nations in debt. Perhaps the Chinese are studying math and real stuff instead of playing Scrabble.

  42. @j2

    Maybe I wasn’t clear with my reply to you above so I’ll try to say it one more time. The syllogism you constructed simply does not work.

    1. Not everyone who is very smart will be great at Scrabble (or at theoretical physics). (That’s true).
    2. “THUS,” there are many people who are not very smart but are good at Scrabble/theoretical physics. (Not true).

    My problem was with your “thus” statement. 2 simply DOES NOT follow from 1. If we find you are not very good at Scrabble, it does NOT mean you are not very smart (it may just not be your thing, especially since there is the need for memorizing obscure words for experts). However, that does not mean that “thus” you don’t need to be very smart to be very good (world class championship level) at Scrabble or that “thus” you can find “many” modest-IQ people who are that good.

    The only question is whether it is indeed “cognitively demanding” and mostly so at the highest level.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Chinaman
  43. wren says:

    Very interesting! I had no idea about this, thanks!

  44. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rahan

    “Who knows, 30 years from now the old joke that Russia is Nigeria with snow may in fact become true, but not in the way initially intended.”

    In 30 years Nigeria will be the same as it is now with 400 million inhabitants. https://www.voanews.com/africa/nigerias-population-projected-double-2050 Since the British left, the only things that Nigeria has excelled at are reproducing at an exponential rate and Nigerian phone and computer scams. If you want to see hot countries achieve the level Russia is at now, you will need to go to SE Asia or Latin America.

  45. wren says:

    Judging by the wonderfully verbose emails that I used to regularly receive from the Nigerian elite — both in government and royalty — I’m actually not so surprised about this.

    Further, I have personally witnessed Nigerians cleverness in business on trips to Asia, when I figured out that the African Americans selling all the expensive hip hop clothing to the Japanese kids were in fact all Nigerians. I also saw them promoting their nightclubs there, but never dared enter any, lest I be outsmarted and lose all of my money, which I had heard happened to some of their customers somehow.

    I have heard similar stories of Nigerians in China, and in fact sometimes read about Nigerians in other African countries running into problems one way or another. They do seem to succeed all over the world, and, like in Scrabble, their reputation seems to precede them in many places.

    I once looked at a Nigerian website trying to figure something else out and there seemed to be a lot of discussion about the Igbo. Lots and lots of verbosity in fact.

    So I perhaps this all makes sense.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @anon
  46. That females have been less interested in computer games has always indicated to me they are more intelligent. Or at least more wise in a practical sense. Perhaps that can be said of Africans and their lower interest in that oxymoron “esports”.

    IQ has never impressed me as some sort of catchall yardstick for one simple reason:
    Nil Magnum nisi bonum
    = No greatness without goodness.

    However, call it intuition, but I doubt this Scrabble torpedo can sink the ship HMS Hereditary IQ. Forgive me, and I mean no offense, but the earlier comment about composition performance as opposed to just vocabulary recall reminds me of how Chimps have an incredible short term working memory* that shames just about any human. Does that mean they can learn algebra or how to be an electrician? = All life forms have both physical and cognitive limits and these are certainly first and foremost hereditary.

    p.s. I did not reflect on it long enough to understand the points about Ashkenazi Jews. Chisala seems to be saying Ashkenazi’s high performance in this or that field has nothing to do with heredity because Nigerians rock in Scrabble. Indeed, Ron Unz’s The Myth of Meritocracy opens a window into other explanations for Jewish high numbers in the Ivy League. And elsewhere. Ha. Then again…

    In any case, I find it strange that the preponderance of the Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews in the twentieth century occurred after World War 2. Alas, I can no longer find the link that examines this paradox. Go figure.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief, Polemos
    • Replies: @gotmituns
  47. Chanda Chisala’s case fails because there is little if any evidence that ability to play Scrabble correlates strongly to general intelligence. I suspect most Scrabble champions, of whatever race, are essentially idiots savants since such an obsession with a somewhat silly game is not a marker of a well-rounded mind but of one with little ability in other areas.

  48. Aaaahhhhh. The IQ obsessed want to prove to everyone how smart they are. Ego.

  49. j2 says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    “1. Not everyone who is very smart will be great at Scrabble (or at theoretical physics). (That’s true).
    2. “THUS,” there are many people who are not very smart but are good at Scrabble/theoretical physics. (Not true).

    My problem was with your “thus” statement. 2 simply DOES NOT follow from 1.”

    Yes, it does follow assuming that genetic and environmental components are additive, as it usually assumed. Let the success in the game be a function f(A,B), A being the IQ and dictionary and B being the other factors, like having trained it or having a special talent and interest in it. The claim 1. says that A>A0 is not a sufficient condition for f(A,B)>c. Then under fairly weak conditions we can find a values A1 for A and B1 for B such that f(A1,B1)>c where A1<a0. This is so for the additive models where the form of f(A,B) is f(c1A+c2B) as is usually the case in IQ models.

    We have evidence that this is the case: Feynman IQ 128, Kasparov IQ 135, yet theoretical physic and chess are mentally challenging fields.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Chanda Chisala
  50. @Buzz Mohawk

    It does not seem too easy to make use – even less easy than making sense of – the Scrabble-superiority of these super-Scrabblers. I mean, Scrabble sure is part of our human accomplishments, but it is a rather tiny part, isn’t it?

    So – I would like to know more about the predictive power of Scrabble-excellence.

  51. DrWatson says:

    This is a lot of .abble about …abble but it is not clear if this has anything to do with IQ. Have you tried to look at the skills of commercial airline pilots?

  52. @Ron Unz

    A measured average IQ of 70 in underdeveloped African countries probably consists of 15 points “Flynn effect” environmental effect due to familiarity with technology and the associated cognitive demands of modern life, and 15 points genetically-mediated effect arising from the different frequency distribution of genetic variants in sub-Saharan African populations. If a random sample moved to Europe/USA and fully assimilated into the school system etc. the next generation would only have a 15 point disparity, I suspect. A measured local average of 70 probably includes a large “Flynn effect,”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  53. chrimony says:

    Umm, did you ask yourself why Nigeria, and not all African countries? You found a unicorn, and think it’s valid to explain all race and IQ genetic gap theories. Apparently scrabble is insanely popular in Nigeria. Scrabble is just another board game and not taken seriously in most Western countries. And in other areas, you rely on the same methodology. Highly selected migrants can outperform the general population of whites in the UK. You can slice and dice the statistics all you want, but it’s a highly selected population. But you’re going to think that settles the case, while ignoring the vast amounts of evidence in the opposite direction. But I wonder if that data is still holding up, given recent mass migration? You can find who is committing the spike in murders in the UK, can’t you?

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
  54. Fascinating article.

    I have a question for the author. Are the superior Nigerian Scrabble players predominantly from the Ibo tribe? I’ve read that Ibos have strikingly superior G type intelligence over other Nigerian tribes.

    Another question: do Ibos predominate in the cohort of Nigerian email scammers who are said to excel in that kind of chicanery?

    Finally, is there anything to the suggestion that Ibos have a strain of Jewish ancestry?

    • Replies: @Truth
  55. Chinaman says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Your whole thesis is a strawman. Why are you comparing to white people in the first place?

    I am always telling the white people here they should just stop talking about IQ given their IQ is nothing to be proud of.

    You are comparing the blacks with the highest IQ with low IQ white people….A classic case of sample bias and cherry picking.

    It would be interesting to compare the left tail of the Chinese distribution to the right tail of the Black IQ distribution..I think that would be fair comparison since the average IQ of the southern Chinese (not the mogols from the North) is 115. 2 standard deviation above the Black average.

    In any case, Chinese don’t talk about IQ even though we have the highest IQ. It doesn’t matter. We believe that anyone can achieve anything if they try hard enough…whether they are Chinese or not.

    It is just less likely for blacks to achieve something.

  56. @wren

    Beat me to it – even District 9 acknowledged that truism 😀

    … though you have to be at least a child sex trafficker or Nazi fugitive to be denied
    a French visa.

  57. I confess that I didn’t read past the first couple of paragraphs. I stopped when it became obvious that this one, like Chisala’s previous articles, would offer nothing new.

    I will sit up and take notice when Chisala produces evidence that shows a positive correlation between Scrabble scores and ability to design complex 4-D objects such as bridges, skyscrapers, airplanes, cargo ships, communication satellites, fiber optic systems and computers.

    We live in a 4-D world. We design stuff that has extension into the realm of matter and that is subject to the vicissitudes of time. Life is not a 2-D board game. Spelling something correctly doesn’t make it perform its function better. It is this concern with minutiae which is characteristic of the black mind. The black mind cannot assign the proper specific gravity to what it encounters in the world. Spelling becomes as important as real technical expertise. Spinning Rims are more important than changing the oil.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  58. gotmituns says:
    @thotmonger

    That females have been less interested in computer games has always indicated to me they are more intelligent. Or at least more wise in a practical sense.
    —————————————————————————————————–

    Women, from birth are programed have babies and only that. They have no interests in life that giving birth are not central to. The combination of physical and intellectual effort it takes to play those moronic esport games is far beyond their capabilities.

  59. @Ray Caruso

    I think playing scrabble requires verbal intelligence, but only at a very elementary level.
    After all you only have to remember single words.

    Constructing sentences, paragraphs or even an essay requires a far higher level of verbal intelligence. Let us test the various racial groups for such higher verbal intelligence and then compare. I think the results will correlate with the level of civilization the various racial groups are capable of creating or, if borrowed, of maintaining. QED.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  60. Until the Sub-Saharan Africans come up with an alphanumeric system of their own everything is off the table…

  61. During the early lockdown days of 2020, Washington state sent hundreds of millions of dollars to Nigeria for unemployment claims. The number of dollars sent to Nigeria might correlate to IQ. In fact most of what is going on in Wa. state might correlate as well. Now that voting has become obsolete, we might do better choosing our “leaders” with a Scrabble cook off.

  62. “The overwhelming success of Indian Americans at the Spelling Bee inspired us to look more closely at the history of Spelling Bee winners from immigrant backgrounds over the past 20 years. What we found was an exceptional trend: 84 percent, or 26 out of 31 of the most recent winners, including those from years with multiple champions, came from Indian American immigrant families.”
    Similar phenomenon in Nigeria with Scrabble?

    One of my Black friends pointed out that almost all the better players in the NBA are Black, SHOWING THEIR INTELLIGENCE. Their pay rate and economic opportunities dwarf anything that most Asians you see packed in the libraries on weekends make, and of course he thinks there should be ten times as many basketball teams and venues to help the Black community. Although height also seems to be important in IQ? maybe the shorter ones play Scrabble?

    Would be great to motivate some of these brilliant people to help with problems like fires in California, cold in Texas or maybe even the global Covid-19 pandemic?

  63. anon[185] • Disclaimer says:

    > Others went as far as suggesting that it is mostly a game of luck…

    The author is in deep denial. Scrabble was designed as a game of luck (with an element of skill included.) Straight from the manufacturer:

    Attempting to combine the thrill of chance and skill…

    Scrabble History: Making of the Classic American Board Game
    https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/history

    Attempting to overturn intelligence testing results with a game designed to provide “the thrill of chance” is thin gruel. Games with less “thrill of chance” would be a better indicator of ability, e.g., chess.

  64. Ponder says:
    @Fr. John

    Now that is very interesting comment — bullet point 1. No corroboration that the Negro is your brother from scriptures you say.

    I think you are right for you must be a pretend Christian. Acts 8:26-38 must not be Holy Scriptures since Philip must be an imposter Christian who baptised an Ethiopian into true Christianity which must be false since no negro Christian is in the scriptures.

    Christ in revelations must be the antichrist since Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; —- cannot possibly include negroes since they are not human I suppose but homo erectus and therefore by definition not savable.

    Very interesting to see a “Christian” who believes their skin colour makes them a Christian.

    1 John 2:1 – 6 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John:2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John:2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1 John:2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John:2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 1 John:2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
    1 John:2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 1 John:2:11
    But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Marckus
  65. Life is the ultimate IQ ‘test’. It’s just a matter of determining what parameters and definitions are set as defining ‘success’ in this challenge.

    Maintaining the planet in a healthy, sustainable and species-diverse state that will allow the human race (and the Earth) to continue to survive and flourish indefinitely, if used as a measure of success, would mean we collectively have an IQ approaching zero……

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch, xcd
  66. padre says:
    @gotmituns

    And you so superior?

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  67. padre says:

    I couldn’t help but wonder, how can you measure IQ of an Bushman, and what importance has a game scrabble for them? Try some Chinese or Japanese game and see, who will beat who!

  68. Whatever…The whole modern technologically advanced world came from White Western Civilization…including all these kid games. Maybe blacks can make some voodoo games and throw some chicken bones to read.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  69. With a whole world out there, this thread of argument mostly still rests on going on and on about Scrabble. This hyperfocus feels like an attempt to never look at the remaining 99% which constitutes the full picture

  70. Z-man says:

    Good, keep all your filthy Nigerians out of my country (and Europe) then, because we don’t get scrabble players.

  71. @Chanda Chisala

    Jighere +Igbo = Jiggaboo?

    • LOL: Z-man
  72. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren

    “Judging by the wonderfully verbose emails that I used to regularly receive from the Nigerian elite — both in government and royalty — I’m actually not so surprised about this.

    Further, I have personally witnessed Nigerians cleverness in business on trips to Asia, when I figured out that the African Americans selling all the expensive hip hop clothing to the Japanese kids were in fact all Nigerians. I also saw them promoting their nightclubs there, but never dared enter any, lest I be outsmarted and lose all of my money, which I had heard happened to some of their customers somehow.”

    Typical talk from a liberal that is always hoping.

    Grand verbosity in emails does not equate with intelligence. All it tells you is that they are the owners of a dictionary and maybe a thesaurus.

    Negroes with their aggressive and pushy selling techniques and endless confidence in a land where people are naturally polite and non-aggressive doesn’t equate to smarts. Gypsies are experts at this and are not renowned for their intellect.

    An inability to see one’s shortcomings and imagine that one might fail in the future, can be a short-term advantage in business as one is willing to take more risks, but when one does fail, the financial hardship is worse than that of a more intelligent, conservative business owner who doesn’t put all their eggs in one basket.

    Nigeria is a nasty, dirty, brutish place to live and most of the population would leave and go to the white or oriental countries if given the chance. Africans have no ability to create a just, attractive society to live in. All they can do is go to good societies and drag them down.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    , @acementhead
  73. Oh, please. This issue was settled long ago through serious (and now suppressed) research. The average sub-Saharan African IQ is about 20 points below that of most whites and Asians. Anecdotal evidence means nothing. If Africans are outperforming whites in the UK it only means the whites have been utterly demoralized and do not give a damn about education. There are, of course, some Africans with superior IQ’s but they are a tiny sliver of the bell curve and everybody knows it.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    , @Truth
  74. Ponder says:
    @ForeverGone

    Very easy. Rebellion against their “masters” that destroyed their culture by carrying them from their homeland.

  75. Chinaman says:

    “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data. They score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European average, corresponding to an IQ 112-115…, although a recent review concludes that the advantage is slightly less, only half a standard deviation, Lynn (2004).

    Chinese are very good at Chinese Chess and Go. Chinese chess was invented 1500 years ago and there have NEVER been a AsskeNazi Jew grandmaster in Chinese chess. We can safely conclude that Chinese have an higher IQ than than Jews based on 1500 years of data.

    Who needs IQ test or achievements in the real world when we can have games and Chinese chess!

  76. Marckus says:

    Okay you finally wore me down and exposed my white privilege. I surrender.

    Blacks built the pyramids, the great wall of China, the Taj Mahal, the Kremlin and all the cities in the US. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will confirm this.

    These were just some of their great feats. What is amazing is that they discovered an ancient African secret called Scrabble and their witch doctors, Ju Ju practitioners and animal bone psychics only taught these closely held secrets to select Monks on the sacred mountain Kilimanjaro.

    Look, I think blacks have an IQ of 185. See, I am willing to grant another hundred points to their intelligence so dont accuse me of “white frugality”.

    Now can we move on !? Between Lin Rin Tin Tin and another dreary travel story and Dr Cheese Ala, I think I am not going to have a very good day. Its depressing to know that blacks are smarter than whites.

    • LOL: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @ProudBLM
  77. Mike Tre says:
    @Truth

    Be honest: you went out and bought the Scrabble board game after reading this essay, amirite?

    • Replies: @Marckus
  78. Truth says:
    @Ray Caruso

    I suspect most Scrabble champions, of whatever race, are essentially idiots savants since such an obsession with a somewhat silly game is not a marker of a well-rounded mind but of one with little ability in other areas.

    Oh, you mean like chess?

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  79. Truth says:
    @j2

    We have evidence that this is the case: Feynman IQ 128, Kasparov IQ 135, yet theoretical physic and chess are mentally challenging fields.

    Regarding Feynman; where is the evidence that theoretical physics is a “mentally challenging field.”

    The operative word there is “theoretical” right? Meaning “you make a bunch of shit up that will never be proven?”

    Why is this any more of a test of intellect then writing a best-selling novel? Did Feynman design bridges that are not tethered to the ground? Did he establish zero-point energy distribution centers?

    • Replies: @j2
  80. The Scrabble thesis is simple: if it is true that on average black Africans in Africa score extremely low on scholastic/intelligence tests because they grow up with much less educational and other modern cultural resources (as Flynn would agree), then they should perform “extremely well” (by comparison) in those “g-loaded” cognitive contests that do not require too much of such quality cultural exposure (as Jensen would agree).

    Yes, but why do they “grow up with much less education and other modern cultural resources”? If blacks are able to compete academically on a par with whites in the UK, then why can’t they build educational systems in Africa that would produce similarly positive outcomes?

    Africa is a basket case from one end to the other. There are arguably a handful of partial exceptions, but Africans are, so far, incapable of forming functioning states to a world standard, much less a Western or East Asian standard. Why?? As the decades go by since independence, the excuses for African incompetence grow less and less convincing. Whether the explanation comes from something measurable by IQ or not, the reality speaks for itself.

    That the African IQ bell curve distribution is offset to the left of the Europe one (and probably every other one to one extent or another) seems quite obvious. I guess the debate is over how far to the left.

    And I am far from confident that the author has captured all the relevant dynamics of the two micro-cases that he examines: competitive Scrabble and British educational outcomes.

    When African countries (besides Wakanda) can amount to something other than violent, primitive, utterly corrupt hellholes, I’ll believe Africans have some cognitive and intellectual mojo. And not until.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
  81. Some Guy says:

    Consider people like Australian aboriginals who have very low IQs but very good visual memory. Suppose visual memory had a correlation of 0.7 with IQ, and there was a game in which performance was entirely determined by visual memory skill called vismem.

    The best white person in the world at vismem would be about one-in-a-billion, or 6 SD above the mean. That’s a visual memory “IQ” of 190. Since visual memory correlates 0.7 with IQ, one would expect his IQ to be 0.7*6 SD above the mean, or 163.

    Suppose Australian aboriginals have an IQ of 60 and a visual memory of 120. One in 650.000 Aboriginals would have a visual memory of 190, or 4.67 SD above their mean. His IQ would be expected to be 0.7*4.67 SD above their mean, or 109. So the best Aboriginal would be competitive with the best white in vismem despite much lower IQ.

    Something like this could be going on with Scrabble: performance on Scrabble is determined by an ability correlated to g that Africans are gifted in, but performance is not determined by g itself. Ashkenazi Jews could also be gifted in that ability.

    When it comes to UK educational achievements: girls also outperform boys at GSCEs, grades etc, despite not having higher IQs. Looking at the UK CAT IQ test data, most immigrant groups outperformed their IQ on the GSCEs, presumably because immigrants tend to have stricter, more ambitious parents and take education more seriously. Why use proxies for IQ when IQ test data is available? IQ tests are meant to measure IQ, they’re the gold standard.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
    • Thanks: Oscar Peterson
    • Replies: @Some Guy
  82. Blacks have a great sense of playfulness, which in itself is a mark of intelligence.
    On the other hand, East Asians, bearers of the highest IQ on average, lack this sense of playfulness (gambling doesn’t count) which results in the known fact their high combinatory intelligence lacks ‘generating’ power, so to say.

    I think what the Blacks lack is the habit of sustained, years-long concentration on one task. Even Scrabble is just many many small tasks, of the same nature, not one grand theory, like for example, producing a new mathematical proof often is.

    Maybe instead importing the Chinese, Africans should invite some Indian Yogis who would teach them the arts of perseverance.

    By the way, two recent Black Polish MPs were one from Nigeria, one from Ghana.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Godson

    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @Anon
  83. Marckus says:
    @dindunuffins

    What an outrageously disrespectful comment. I guess you did not know that blacks beating their jungle Tom Tom drums to announce another cannibal feast, in fact inadvertently discovered Morse Code ? What, you never read any of the Tarzan comics ?

    Now, with Dr Cheese Allah’s ground breaking research, it seems another conspiracy is underway to replace the dying panic of Corona. Dr Cheese’s diabolical plan involves cornering the market on Scrabble Games and inflating demand.

    A side effect is a revitalised airline industry as 13% of the US population return to Nigeria clutching their scrabble games. They will rebuild that country, making it great, making it a power house, making it the envy of the world……sorry I got a bit carried away there.

    You got to hand it to these blacks. They know how to get ahead. I personally shall miss them. Its no fun being surrounded by highly intelligent Chimps.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  84. Marckus says:
    @Mike Tre

    He also bought Donkey Kong to round out his intellect !

  85. Some Guy says:
    @Some Guy

    Sense of musical rhythm seems to be one such ability in which blacks can equal or outperform whites despite that ability being correlated to IQ.

    Whites equal or outperform Ashkenazim on spatial ability despite that ability being correlated to IQ.

    Whites equal or outperform East Asians on verbal ability despite that ability being correlated to IQ.

    In short, tests of one specific ability is not a good measure of IQ for groups which have different strengths and weaknesses.

  86. @Chinaman

    “…We believe that anyone can achieve anything if they try hard enough…whether they are Chinese or not.

    It is just less likely for blacks to achieve something…”

    Can you say “contradiction”?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  87. @David Rodriguez

    If Africans are outperforming whites in the UK it only means the whites have been utterly demoralized and do not give a damn about education.

    I think this is a very interesting point. What about the emotional aspects of societal development since WW II and its impact on traditional European/white standards and the motivation to meet and exceed them?

    The demoralization of the mass of the British population is probably the much bigger story.

  88. Blankaerd says:

    Too many people are stuck on the level of race that they do not want to go down a level – looking at ethnicity. I’ve always felt that this is more of an American thing, as many Americans are descendants of multiple ethnicities so going down the family tree will inevitably lead them to conclude they are of mixed Irish/Scottish/English/Polish/Italian/Spanish descent, or in other words, ethnically mixed. So they had to organize alongside the racial line instead of on the basis of the ethnic line. (Although it should be noted that the early colonizers and even the founding fathers considered themselves to be more English than the English)

    The fact is that there are dumber and smarter ethnicities within races. Smart Nigerians invariably come from the Igbo tribe, blacks who are significantly smarter than the average black despite being black themselves. In race science or HBD if you will, we should focus more on ethnicity than on race. Obviously that type of research is adding another layer of complexity, but it will give us a better picture of the difference in intelligence between groups. It will also help explain why Nigeria today is doing relatively well according to African standards, while Somalia is a shithole. The Igbos are simply more intelligent and hold most of the political power, while Somalians are invariably stupid and aggressive.

    As for relationship between g and computer gaming, I find it outright humorous that you point out how strategy games are more cognitively demanding than shooters, but then give Dota 2 and League of Legends as examples of strategy games. Those are not strategy games. Actual strategy games that involve more long-term management and multitasking, like Age of Empires, competitive Total War Warhammer, Steel Division and so on Europeans seem to outperform Asians, although Asians are still very skilled players.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  89. Truth says:
    @Anonymouse

    Finally, is there anything to the suggestion that Ibos have a strain of Jewish ancestry?

    Short answer; yes, but there is nothing to the suggestion that the Ashkenazi have a strain of Jewish ancestry.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  90. @j2

    Introducing logical operators only obfuscates the fallacy in this case, j2.

    Yes, being tall is NOT sufficient for being an elite pro basketball player. That’s true (you also need plenty of practice, interest etc etc). You can’t *FROM THIS* conclude that 2.”thus, there are *MANY* elite pro basketball players who are not tall.” Big non sequitur.

    And neither do you demonstrate it by then naming some elite pro basketball player who was not tall. (Whoever he was, he was noticeable precisely because there were NOT MANY who were not very tall – EVEN IF being tall is not *sufficient* for being an elite basketball player).

    [As for your Feynman IQ example, it is probably more accurate to say the IQ test(er) is the one who failed his ability-to-test-for-intelligence test in this case. But whatever the case, it would still not be evidence that there are MANY people with relatively modest IQs who are good theoretical physicists, not to mention path-breaking ones.]

    OK, now I take a break. Thanks.

  91. Truth says:
    @Chinaman

    You are comparing the blacks with the highest IQ with low IQ white people….A classic case of sample bias and cherry picking.

    These are the white people who play Scrabble?

  92. Truth says:
    @David Rodriguez

    The average sub-Saharan African IQ is about 20 points below that of most whites and Asians. Anecdotal evidence means nothing. If Africans are outperforming whites in the UK it only means the whites have been utterly demoralized and do not give a damn about education.

    LOL, to the point where people with 70% of their IQs outperform them?

  93. @Ponder

    IIRC the Nederlandse Reformed Church (former South Africa) put it thusly:

    “The kaffir is my brother in Christ – yet nowhere does it say my brother-in-law.”

    • Replies: @Ponder
  94. @anon

    Africans have no ability to create a just, attractive society to live in. All they can do is go to good societies and drag them down.

    Sad but true. The “black world” being predicted as a consequence of high African birth rates would be a global ghetto.

  95. Rahan says:

    I like the way this article is still challenging me.
    Let’s take chess. FIDE world champions in the 21st century include an Indian chap, an Uzbeki chap, and a Bulgarian chap.
    Average IQ:
    India–82
    Uzbekistan–87
    Bulgaria–93

    India has a population of over 1.2 billion, so that’s a big enough pool. Uzbekistan is 33 million; Bulgaria is only around 6 million. But Uzbekistan is a former USSR republic, and Bulgaria is a former Soviet camp country, so in both cases you probably have the effect of the overall education system which produced the Soviet dominance in chess after WWII.

    So in just these three cases we have two additional factors:
    1) Population size (India)
    2) Soviet educational heritage (Uzbekistan; Bulgaria)

    Cuba’s average IQ is 85, but as I write this, the encircled and impoverished island nation has already developed a second COVID vaccine. In this case I too would explain this with the Soviet-style approach to education and science.

    Again, Bulgaria keeps popping up in the International Philosophy Olympiad
    https://infogalactic.com/info/International_Philosophy_Olympiad

    Obviously, in some cases the socio-political superstructure can “add IQ points” to a society in ways that are measurable not through IQ tests but through certain intellectual or technical achievements.
    Whereas other types of socio-political superstructure can “subtract IQ points”, as for example Cambodia has a higher score than Croatia; Argentina, Georgia, Romania, and Armenia have higher average scores than Ireland and Greece.

    Although with Ireland and Greece that’s likely an “external supranational structure propping them up” (EU membership).

    Mongolia scores higher than almost everybody, but is the world flooded with Mongolian geniuses?

    Back to games: in draughts you have Africa popping up periodically
    https://infogalactic.com/info/Draughts_World_Championship

    Mathematical Olympiads take place only in Niger and Nigeria, in sub-Maghreb Africa
    https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_mathematics_competitions

    On the international scale, again Soviet-style education countries are conspicuous as a presence in terms of gold medals
    https://infogalactic.com/info/International_Mathematical_Olympiad
    Also with the Physics Olympiads
    https://infogalactic.com/info/International_Physics_Olympiad

    And yet the Soviet system collapse spectacularly.
    And yet the Western system appears to be undergoing something similar, albeit more protracted, up to until recently softened by a functional market economy and political pluralism and free speech. Now that it’s shifting to corporate monopoly, censorship, and uniparty mode, the similarities just might become more obvious…

    I have no idea what all this tells me. Just throwing it out there, inspired by the article and subsequent discussion.

  96. @Blankaerd

    Smart Nigerians invariably come from the Igbo tribe, blacks who are significantly smarter than the average black despite being black themselves.

    Makes sense to me, but somebody in one of the previous comments brought up then Igbo issue, and the author claims that the Nigerian Scrabble Ubermenschen are not primarily Igbo. Take that FWIW.

    As to Somalis and Nilo-Saharans ( the tall, skinny dudes like the Tutsis in Rwanda), they actually seem to dominate Bantus wherever the groups have encountered one another.

    Obama is a Nilo-Saharan, and clearly way above your average CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) Bantu in cognitive chops.

  97. @Ponder

    I disagree.
    Carribean Blacks in the former English colonies are not rebelling. They are speaking an older version of the English language based on late 18th and early 19th century English usage. When exposed to this older version it is pretty obvious. They use older verbs, different pronouns, etc.

  98. @Truth

    To some extent, yes, but in high-level chess players anticipate what moves their opponents might make several turns ahead, which requires a high-level of mathematical reasoning. In Scrabble, you don’t see your opponent’s tiles, so anticipation, which is the hardest aspect of chess, plays little or no part.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
  99. canspeccy says: • Website

    This article proves two things. Playing Scrabble with a Nigerian is dumb. Believing that IQ tests measure intelligence is dumber.

  100. Anonymous[689] • Disclaimer says:

    What a long article.

    “This is in contrast to the 270,000 megabits per second in the US.”

    That right there is an example of some African just making crazy shit up and hoping no one will do the fact-checking. Outside of a laboratory no one on the planet has internet even close to that fast.

  101. j2 says:
    @Truth

    Oh Truth, quantum physics really is mentally challenging. It is very difficult to invent all illegal and
    absurd mathematical tricks these people use and get away with it. Like Feynman.
    He quantized a multi-particle system through a path integral following an idea stolen from Dirac,
    but he made it in a wrong way and got infinities for state transition probabilities (which must be
    from 0 to 1). Then he added positive and negative infinities so that they cancel (which you cannot do). But he was most praised from cherry-picking a convergent part of a divergent series (an illegal
    trick that gives you anything you want), because that was a nice trick: by matching these illegal calculations to measurements (which should not be done) physicists could get the theoretical results to match with experiments and Feynman got a Nobel prize.
    You say this is not mentally challenging? It is much better than Einstein stealing work of other
    people and misunderstanding the Michelson-Morley experiment.
    Theoretical physics is a taken-over field (like many others) so it must be mentally challenging
    by definition: used as a proof of very high IQ by those who control the field.

    • Replies: @Truth
  102. Chinaman says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The problem with IQ is that it doesn’t leave any room for ambiguity and improvement. It is eternal damnation for those with a low IQ ( like myself..) and very demotivating.

    The Chinese conception of intelligence leaves a lot of wiggle room and “imagination” for those with a low IQ to strive for their best.

    It is less likely for a black kid with an IQ of 85 to become a theoretical physicist but it is not impossible… Saying you need MUST have an IQ of 140 to be a physicist is just downright demotivating.

    • Replies: @canspeccy
  103. @SZ

    Good point about the Irish and the Chinese. Their are obviously important environmental and genetic (and other) factors to this topic; the problem is that people try to make it ONLY about one factor, when their are several.

  104. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    It is one thing to memorize a methodology well enough to pass a classroom test in it, and another to apply it to a real situation. I’ve taught on the university level, operations research. I remember vividly the one time I suggested to the class that the algorithms being taught were not the only consideration, and that when two alternatives differed in the third decimal point they were pretty much the same. The class was outranged. They wanted a method that could be easily applied to practical situations and easily defended in corporate politics.

    Similarly, in the US military, the standard is to take classes, learn enough to pass the test, then forget the subject matter as quickly as possible.

    In both the university and the US military (and most likely in most or all similar organizations), tests are designed to pass most students, not to test ability to apply the method to a practical situation. Quite often the teachers do not understand their subject well enough to do that. As student quality declines, the test (and texts) get simpler.

    The University teaching/testing method is satisfactory for passing people who will execute standard methods as written – the English description is “deadwood”. The hiring organization typically wants such people, Western society being what it is.

    So: I, at least, don’t think that learning a game, one that has very little to do with applications or invention, is a good indicator of high intelligence, although it does eliminate people with an IQ of less than, at a guess, 100. As ( https://www.unz.com/article/nigerians-jews-and-scrabble-an-update-on-the-iq-debate/#comment-4498493 ) says, playing Chess (a game) well simply indicates that one can play Chess well, no more no less.

    Remember, the key advance in Western science was linking games (mathematics) to applications. Galileo is credited with introduction of this method. Prior to Galileo, effort went into playing the game (theoretical mathematics, astrology, theology, law) rather than relating it to physical phenomena. The method is not easy. Every wonder how Galileo managed to generate time vs. position for his acceleration study when he didn’t have an accurate clock for small time intervals?

    The above amounts to a repudiation of most “g” measurements. It suggests a “practical intelligence” in addition to a “game intelligence”, and that the West has been, at times, distinguished by its support for a combination of the two. The West does not support the combination now, of course. Since WW II, politics (yet another game) has displaced the combination of “practical intelligence” and “game intelligence”.

    As to the association between high “g” and lifetime success, well, it may be that deadwood is a widely available niche.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
  105. gotmituns says:
    @padre

    I’m not “so superior” but I’m not useless like darkies either.

  106. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    Saying you need MUST have an IQ of 140 to be a physicist is just downright demotivating.

    And it’s a lie.

    Richard Feynman’s IQ, as acknowledged by both his wife and his sister, was 124.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @kemerd
  107. Greetings,

    I am Mandingo Bwanamabwana, former Scrabble champion of Nigeria.

    At the height of my fame as a world-class Scrabble player, I was struck down with an almost fatal case of malarial illiteracy.

    Now I seek a reliable partner who can fund my comeback, which is sure to succeed and which will be most profitable to him.

    Please transmit immediately as many words with multiple Q’s and Z’s as possible to the below address.

    Upon receipt of your contribution to this great cause (and of your credit card and bank account information) I will wire you full details of how your share of my undoubtedly massive future Scrabble winnings will be sent to you.

    Thank you in advance and God bless you!

    Most respectfully,

    Mandingo Bwanamabwana

    • LOL: Peripatetic Itch
  108. Truth says:
    @j2

    Yes, Theoretical Physics gave us an iron metal core earth (which has never been proven), gave birth to a moon landing (which never happened) and a spinning ball model solar system (which doesn’t exist) from the minds of the great T.P minds of NASA (Not A Space Agency, Hebrew translation; deception), which produces a bunch of photos of the earth from “outer space” that they admit are artist composites.

    So is the field a test of brainpower, or fictional imagination?

    • Replies: @j2
  109. @Chanda Chisala

    Hello Author:

    Thank you for your essay. I certainly find it interesting that Nigerians are so dominant in scrabble, and I did not know this before.

    I am also an avid chess player, and I have ranked in the top 2% of chess players globally. (not a titled player or anything, just a proficient online player). Last I checked there were 3 black Grandmasters and over two thousand of other races (mostly white with many jews).

    It is interesting that two different cognitive games are producing such a different spread in terms of Black proficiency.

    My take: Intelligence is a catch all term for a wide variety of different cognitive functions, and is certainly influenced by genetics, but also by one’s environment, and even an individual’s choices in how they apply themselves. Some groups are better mathematically, some excel verbally, etc. The intelligence of groups can change over time as well; take the irish or chinese for example.

    How much each factor weighs in any given situation is obviously open to question and is probably not determinable. Many who strongly hold to either environment or genetics get their feathers ruffled when one makes an argument that their’s is not the ONLY factor.

    Someone who is smart and uses their smarts well but comes from a group with lower average intelligence is better than someone who is not smart or productive, but comes from a group with higher averages.

  110. ‘Expert Scrabble requires access to only one old book that is fairly available in every country that uses a Western language: the dictionary.’

    If you strip away the rest of the hyperbole this seems to be the central point of the article. And it’s clearly not true. Scrabble is dependent on having an extensive vocabulary, good retention and retrieval skills and finally the verbal and spatial abilities to create the words. Definitely an indicator of intelligence but far from definitive.

    One can level many theoretical objections to the concept of IQ testing but its veracity and value are confirmed by its uncanny ability to predict lifetime outcomes from an early age.

  111. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    So we should double-check his thesis against black africans in the USA where they have 270 megabits.

    or we should check against whites in the USA back when they had only 64 kilobits and we can figure out if “internet access” is the key factor.

    Help me out here- did the USA look like Africa in the 1990s? k56Flex was pretty badass…who even came up with that? Africans?

    Nigerians apparently excel at Scrabble. Cool.

    Whitey just landed another robot on Mars.

    Nigerian outperformance at Scrabble would be an “exception” or an anomaly- it does not refute a larger rule.

    Besides this, Igbo and Tutsi africans were always known to be smarter…yes, genetics again.

    Anti-HBD thesis in sum:
    bad schools cause blacks
    crime causes blacks
    bad neighborhoods cause blacks

  112. @Rahan

    Sorry, but the evidence shows that blacks in all Western countries have demonstrated high levels of criminality long before globohomo ever began to glorify rap and gangsta “culture”. I’m far from being an expert in this field but afaik the less-developed prefrontal characteristic of blacks predisposes them towards criminal and anti-social behaviour.

    • Replies: @the fat controller
  113. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @stevennonemaker88

    yes, there are many aspects of intelligence

    high IQ people may be very good at diff EQ and suck horribly at writing difficult code, both pursuits which require high IQ.

    it is the case apparently that Nigerians are unusually and unpredictably good at Scrabble despite having an all-around IQ that wouldn’t seem to predict it.

  114. Marckus says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    There are already a lot of East Indians in Africa. You may remember that when Idi Amin kicked them all out (and he was a consummate Scrabble player) the whole economy of Uganda took a shit and has remained so to this day.

    In other Africa countries East Indians dominate commerce. In one high flying instance the Gupta family corrupted South Africa’s Zuma and his Cabal. Perhaps, Professor Cheese Ali could do a study showing the effect of curried duck on IQ.

    I like your suggestion that Africa imports Indian Yogis. That would mean Africans would have more magic carpets to fly to the West instead of risking their lives on inner tubes.

    In addition, Europe would benefit greatly from the the importation of all that expertise. These highly intelligent Bantus could also educate the non scrabble black players and get them off welfare, free housing and other perks. Law enforcement and fire department budgets would also decline.

    A win win deal all round !

    • LOL: Malla
  115. Tony Ryals says: • Website

    I wrote an essay on William Shockley,his Stanford ‘IQ’ test and dinosaurs in the 1980s that I long since lost.So in the 1990s I restated it again in this rhyme.:

    http://politicalandsciencerhymes.blogspot.com/2011/09/stanford-university-nobel-prize-winner.html

    William Shockley,Stanford University IQ Test and Dinosaurs

    Stanford University Nobel Prize Winner William Shockley,,Stanford University IQ Test and Dinosaurs
    by Tony Ryals

    [MORE]

    In the 1970’s William Shockley claimed his university’s Stanford IQ test,
    Proved blacks were inferior and whites were best,
    In the 1980’s when an Atlanta paper thought he sounded like a Nazi,
    He sued them in the name of biology; little biological proof was presented in court,
    But he did win a dollar from the paper for his legal tort,
    How can a man who challenges the rights of others speech,
    Himself be allowed to teach,
    Lies about biology,
    That puts Stanford on a par with the Church of Scientology,
    Nature itself has proven that successful genes don’t count on quantity,
    Survival is much more dependent on quality,
    At a time when dinosaurs and other complex organisms died,
    Bacteria with less genes survived and multiplied,
    Yes the dinosaurs did have more genes,
    But the more adaptable bacteria had the means,
    Even Mr. Shockley’s field of electronics that won him a Nobel,
    Experienced the same fate as the dinosaurs tale,
    His former colleagues at IBM,
    Thought Apple and others were just a whim,
    And made computers too big to compete with them,
    A cell a brain or a computer in operation,
    Is no better bigger when it’s filled with mis-information,
    It’s precisely students produced by universities like his,
    That has made the world the industrial mess that it is,
    Toxic waste dumps lining the nation,
    Are greatly a product of Mr. Shockley’s white higher education,
    The chlorofluorocarbons colliding with the upper atmosphere’s ozone,
    Are products of university chemical engineering gone wrong,
    Toxic wastes in Silicon Valley,
    Are not the products of some drunk in some alley,
    Asia has copied the western education of industrialization,
    And scoring higher on western IQ tests is the latest sensation,
    If Shockley takes his IQ test so seriously,
    Asians industrialists are the best men literally,
    So Shockley should withdraw the sperm he deposited at the bank,
    Thaw it and pour it down the drain until it has sank,
    Because in the ’80’s the Asian industrial man has moved up in rank,
    But copying western industrialization by burning more fossil fuels,
    Only increases the danger of us all joining the ranks of the fossil fools,
    Regardless of or thanks to Stanford-like schools,

    • Replies: @bronek
  116. AReply says:

    Finite & Infinite Games — James Carse
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games

    //Carse summarizes his argument, “There are at least two kinds of games: finite and infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing the play. Finite games are those instrumental activities – from sports to politics to wars – in which the participants obey rules, recognize boundaries and announce winners and losers. The infinite game – there is only one – includes any authentic interaction, from touching to culture, that changes rules, plays with boundaries and exists solely for the purpose of continuing the game. A finite player seeks power; the infinite one displays self-sufficient strength. Finite games are theatrical, necessitating an audience; infinite ones are dramatic, involving participants…”
    Theatrical vs. Dramatic
    Carse continues these conceptualizations across all major spheres of human affairs. He extends his themes broadly over several intellectual arenas that are largely otherwise disparate disciplines. He describes human pursuits as either dramatic (enacted in the present) or theatrical (performed according to a script of some kind). This distinction hinges on an agent’s decision to engage in one state of affairs or another. If motherhood is a requirement and a duty, there are rules to be obeyed and goals to be achieved. This is motherhood as theatrical role. If motherhood is a choice and a process, it becomes a living drama. Carse spans objective and subjective realms and bridges many gaps among different scholarly traditions.//

    The reason to play the finite game about IQ forces us to recognize a nauseating pre-supposition: that people already sorted by their genetic and cultural morphologies will be sanctioned by the dictates of an endemic power class for the narrow purposes of the subordinating them via the game(s) played for access to such power.

    A truly intelligent “race” will construct the IQ games for evaluating its own internet image of itself, and be ready to meet others with knowledge that can extend and advance this self understanding.

    The challenge for those in the know is to examine themselves for their sense of their obligation to share understanding with all others encountered.

    It is an intelligent capacity to apply this self understanding in the interest of others through shared (dramatic) life. It is animal capacity to just eat the other to survive.

    No matter how complex or ornate the expression of survival, it seems to me to be not-human, if such expression is mere survival. This is what the Nazis were never able to face: the situational crisis of acute weakness and the resort to the contrivance of culling. They may have been right in their plans to ensure the survival of a cultural corpus, but they were hopelessly deranged in conflating their plan with a great civilization.

    Today, the “white” man is still weak in an analogous way: as he succumbs to the complexity and dispiriting dictates of his own economic contrivance, he dreams of a lost civilization which he will reclaim from his turpitude through a culling of despised others, in terror of himself.

    Props to white guys for going far down a path towards a new understanding and procurement of wealth beyond reckoning. But his regressive traits endure, and whitey has to face his choices about whether he will allow the re-expression of these traits.

    Whenever I am near the company of IQ fanatics, I get the sense of how the small step from an erudite and egalitarian review of human scope and limits towards a tyrannical brave new world.

    Competitions sort for their winners. And he who writes the rules of the game (the test) controls the game.

    So seeing the kind of discourse in this article makes me sick.

    If you believe an IQ test is just sport, then there can be no appeal to science and the author’s whole milieu as presented here is nonsense. And if you think an IQ test can actually measure intelligence rather than just catalog tribal modalities of discourse, then the discussion needs to begin with, and ever return to, a coherent definition of intelligence. Here we find a cycle, which Godel explained as the intractable problem of any formal system accounting for itself. You don’t have to read between the lines to get a sense of the epic absurdity of trying to catalog all the effects that will constitute the inventory of intelligence. This is why Structuralism was relegated to the trash pile. This is how we ended up in a post-modern soiree that sends conservatives into fits of inability to handle meta, where a joke is never funny, its only passive-aggressive irony and search the catalog for a punchline.

    And here we find the greatest hazard of A.I. which would reduce intelligence to statistical formulae and enslave in robotic protocols of adherence. We need not fear super-intelligent robots who enslave us. We should fear those who will apply technology to turn people into robots. Of which there are long histories of practice which have only recently been overcome.

  117. ruralguy says:
    @Ron Unz

    IQ is a measure of many cognitive functions. It measures verbal comprehension, working memory, perceptual reasoning, and processing speed, with many subtests within these “indices.” A person or race with exceptional “symbol search” ability could outperform on that subtest of the IQ index, yet perform poorly on the other 15 subtests. I honestly don’t know if scrabble requires this task more than other tasks. But, to see this correctly, the author should argue their position within the science of the field.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  118. Marckus says:
    @Ponder

    Touche !. You fixed that one good.

    We have some Judas priests, fathers and pastors here on UR. It is a mystery why they have to advertise their fake “holiness” in the handle they use. What I find is if you ask them Jesus’ last name they are likely to shit out the whole bible.

    These false prophets should peddle their quotes on the subway or the street corner. It is boring and tiresome.

    Sincerely

    Pope Marckus 111

    • Agree: Ponder
  119. i’d like to hear some of these racist commentators try to play a little jazz for a while.

    hundreds of chords and scales to choose from, of which the player must instantly understand their ever-shifting harmonic relationships, all flashing by at a speed that would make old johnny bach sweat bullets.

    and that’s just the european part of it, the notes. then there are an infinite number of rhythms.

    you cannot be dumb and play jazz, LET ALONE INVENT IT.

    sheesh.

    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @Right_On
  120. bomag says:
    @Chinaman

    In any case, Chinese don’t talk about IQ…

    Flagrantly false.

  121. frontier says:
    @Right_On

    Scrabble player that intelligence testing is now standardized and measurable?

    More importantly, we are talking about game performance that depends a lot on prior learning and specialization. The attitude towards highly specialized individuals is often disparaging based on a perception of them being good for little else. For example, the auto repair world uses the expression “grease monkey”, the software people use “code monkey”, I wonder what would be the corresponding term for high profile Scrabble players? I’m not good at word games, maybe I should ask some Nigerian pro, in return I could help him arrange his royal inheritance matters.

  122. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Your article is based on a self selected group of scrabble players who have chosen to spend their time developing skill in a board game that only requires a large working memory to be competitive. How many world champion chess players are Nigerian? Is it because they aren’t intelligent? Or maybe because they choose to play scrabble instead of chess.

    Your whole article suffers from serious selection bias.

    Go doesn’t even require knowledge of a western language. Where are the Nigerian world champions?

  123. @Irish Savant

    yeah!

    if only they knew how to build nuclear weapons, weaponize plagues, and turn jello into napalm!

    then they’d really be in the club with the smart ones.

  124. Jimmy1969 says:

    Nigeria…. a powerhouse of Rhodes Scholars, Nobel Prize winners in Physics, Chemistry and Economics, Microsofts, Medical, and Nassau Space pionering

  125. @ForeverGone

    There’s also a rumour that Lammy (who once had responsibility for Britain’s universities, skills and innovation!) thought Hitler’s first name was ‘Heil’.

    Arguably Britain’s stupidest man.

    • LOL: Pheasant
  126. @stevennonemaker88

    Yes, I’ve addressed the chess issue a few times before.

    Like here: https://www.unz.com/article/scrabble-spells-doom-for-the-racial-hypothesis-of-intelligence/#p_1_62

    And here: https://www.unz.com/article/will-scrabble-have-the-last-word-on-the-iq-debate/#p_1_4

    National investment in chess seems to have made a big difference, beginning from the Soviet Union days. Thus, even though African countries are not great at chess, neither are most East Asian countries. I know that Zambia beats South Korea (and Japan, I believe) in chess.

  127. canspeccy says: • Website
    @stevennonemaker88

    My take: Intelligence is a catch all term for a wide variety of different cognitive functions

    That’s pretty much how a decent dictionary defines intelligence:

    The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

    Nothing there about g. Nothing there about individuals being equally intelligent at everything they ever do. But try getting that through the skull of an IQ-ist.

    And that’s not to say that different forms of intelligence tend to be somewhat correlated. Such correlation is a natural consequence of assortative mating. Smart people don’t generally marry dumb people, despite exceptions due to particular circumstances, e.g., Meghan and Harry.

    Thus while the capacity for particular mental functions are subject to more or less independent genetic control, all-round high-functioning types tend to marry all-round high-functioning types, leading to stratification of population according to mental capacity as measured by a test of a broad range of aptitudes.

    • Thanks: stevennonemaker88
    • Replies: @Chimela Caesar
  128. Tony Ryals says: • Website

    This youtube video on chimpanzees shows clearly that in certain very specialized areas of intelligence our chimp cousins put all ‘human races’ to shame and show us to be embarrassingly stupid.

    • Agree: Anonymous Jew
  129. Antiwar7 says:
    @j2

    I see, thanks. I think his main point is not that there aren’t genetic differences, but that the huge discrepancy of 70 mean versus 100 mean is not primarily due to genetics. Which you may or may not agree with.

    • Replies: @j2
  130. Levtraro says:

    The author describe a very special case that seems to pose a paradox or to prove that a widely held belief is wrong. However, there is no paradox and there is no proof. Simply, both IQ and scrabble proficiency are weakly correlated to general intelligence so any combination (low IQ-high scrabble proficiency-low intelligence, high IQ-low scrabble proficiency-high intelligence, low IQ-high scrabble proficiency-high intelligence, and son on) is probabilistically possible in large populations, with a high chance of fat tail realizations from the trivariate distribution.

    Measuring intelligence with IQ is like measuring the height of a man from the length of his shadow. Meausuring intelligence with scrabble proficiency is like measuring the height of a man from the length of his hair. A man can be tall, have a short shadow, and long hair. Big surprise.

  131. Don’t Blacks have superior memory and improvisational thinking skills at the same IQ when compared to Whites and Asians? No one doubts Blacks have talents – see music, and in particular jazz, sports, entertainment etc – but Scrabble does not a functional civilization make.

    Just look at Asians compared to Whites. Even at a comparable IQ there are differences in ability and talent, for example spatial intelligence, creativity, charisma etc.

    Across time and space, from accounts of early Black slaves compared to White slaves over a thousand years ago, to homicide demographics in Canada and the UK, it’s always the same result and in the same direction. Not sure why Scrabble or the performance of English proles vs Nigeria’s elite would refute that. Why don’t you get back to me when Wakanda is up and running. And don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  132. @ruralguy

    And races are not the same in the nature of their intelligence. The spatial intelligence of E Asian people (and related groups like Amerindians) is a prime example. Memory correlates with IQ, but Blacks tend to have comparable memory to Whites and Asians despite the B-W/A IQ gap. Makes me wonder if the typical Black with a 120 IQ could have a memory advantage over a White or Asian with a 130 IQ and how that would impact Scrabble performance.

  133. Ponder says:
    @nokangaroos

    Now isn’t that interesting — your brother in law though an unbeliever is too you greater than a kaffir believer? You are another pretend Christian — when scriptures talk to/or about the brethren in Christ, is it talking about your so called kaffir brother in Christ or your unbelieving infidel same skinned brother in law?

    So, you would call unclean what God has cleaned? I see you are still in darkness according to those scriptures of John.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  134. j2 says:
    @Truth

    Theoretical physics is a field that was raised to public fame when Einstein and other Jews were known as leading scientists on the field. Like when Bobby Fisher and Garry Kasparov were playing chess, being the world master of chess was a major achievement, but it is not if the master is e.g. Norwegian. It is not an interesting field if wrong people are the leading ones, then media is not interested in it.

    As for whether it is fictional imagination or solid science, it is more fictional imagination, most theories cannot be verified. There seldom are any results of any practical use.

    As for whether it is a test of brainpower or fictional imagination, theoretical physics is easier than several modern fields of mathematics. The tools used in theoretical physics are quite old and not especially difficult. When Atiyah et al started doing differential geometry and manifold topology in theoretical physics, it was too difficult for most theoretical physicists, but those things are only on the normal level of the more difficult fields of mathematics.

    Having tried and failed, I know that writing a good novel is also difficult, but it is not theoretically difficult as some modern fields of math.

    As a test for brainpower, try solving a famous old mathematical problem. That is hard and passes as a real-world intelligence test. It will take some thinking, a bit more than Scrabble. BTW, a think a person with IQ 155 would try something a bit harder than Scrabble.

  135. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    “We have evidence that this is the case: Feynman IQ 128, Kasparov IQ 135, yet theoretical physic and chess are mentally challenging fields. ”

    Perhaps, these IQ scores simply reflect a high MQ (Modesty Quotient) on the parts of Feynman and Kasparov. They graciously transposed some numerals in order to avoid humiliating those Unz readers to whom IQ seems to be such a precious illusion. I have it on good authority: Feynman IQ, 218; Kasparov IQ, 315.

    Frankly, in my whole life, I’ve never met a person whose IQ has been under 130. And to think, you learn this from such persons without even having to ask them, usually within the first ten minutes of meeting them.

    • Replies: @j2
  136. lloyd says: • Website
    @bispora

    Why do females require their own chess championships? Itself an interesting question about human intelligence. As to why female Hungarian chess champions? I imagine that is the legacy of Marxist Communism which for many decades until the late twentith century gave women more educational and professional opportunities than any other ideology. Women in Communist and ex Communist countries remain a swell lot. I speak from experience.

  137. @Truth

    there is nothing to the suggestion that the Ashkenazi have a strain of Jewish ancestry

    Everyone here is totally avoiding the burning question of my but very limited scrabble-playing history:

    Is zionism a proper proper noun? Or is it a beneficiary of Jewish victimization?

    Seven letters! With a z!

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
    , @Truth
  138. Chinaman says:
    @canspeccy

    It really depends on the test he took, age he took it and how it was norm. I gave Raven’s advanced progressive matrix to a bunch of PhDs and Ivy leagues during their interviews and found some interesting results. Let’s just say the test’s ability to distinguish between a 125 to a 135 IQ is not very high. Basically based on the last 1-2 questions.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  139. Attila says:

    Sequencing letters weighted by number thru memorising complex words but not knowing the actual definitions (though not the point of the board game) of those generated words cannot depict true intelligence. The game is about memorising and playing with nouns and constants etc -recall of non English adopted words and going from there. Just a clever devised game for forming words.

  140. j2 says:
    @anon

    However, the German magazine “Der Spiegel“ attempted to find out Kasparov’s IQ in 1987-88. Kasparov was given numerous tests to measure his memory, spatial ability, and abstract reasoning under the supervision of international psychologists. The team measures his IQ “only” as 135.

    That is the only IQ test ever made to Kasparov and given public. Feynman actually had 124, I remembered incorrectly. IQ does not measure everything.

  141. @Fr. John

    1.Christians of any race are brothers in Christ

    Matthew 12 vs 46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers[a] stood outside, asking to speak to him.[b] 48 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” ESV

    2. If your homeland is the US or UK, it already has plenty of non whites. but what does this have to do with the article?

    3. There are a higher percentage pagans and atheists in most Nordic and European countries than African countries.

    But, even so, I much prefer the Shire and my own ‘green and pleasant land’ to remain Monoracial, Monolingual, and Monotheistic.

    I highly doubt your current land is any of those things. Western civilization gave itself over to hedonism, feminism, atheism, Zionism, etc many years ago.

    You give (alleged) Christian Whites a very bad name.

  142. @Marckus

    Why , how kind of you to inform my White privileged self of the Wakandans great achievements. Wakanda here we come.So, I guess these Wakandans who inadvertently discovered Morse Code, was it like the Aztecs who inadvertently discovered heart surgery?

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  143. anon[751] • Disclaimer says:

    @Oscar Peterson

    “I am Mandingo Bwanamabwana, former Scrabble champion of Nigeria.”

    I reckon your IQ to be a minimum of 155 just from your being able to spell your name. Scrabble must be a breeze for you.

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  144. A.z says:

    Thanks. Forget scrabble the list proves it all

  145. j2 says:
    @Antiwar7

    “I think his main point is not that there aren’t genetic differences, but that the huge discrepancy of 70 mean versus 100 mean is not primarily due to genetics. Which you may or may not agree with. ”

    I do not believe that Sub Saharan Africans have a genetic IQ of 70. It is higher, probably 85. They have much worse schools and other possibilities. But assuming that they are 0.9SD below the while average genetically, then in Nigeria there are some 600 people with IQ 155 of over. There can very well be many Scrabble winners with that IQ level, only that I do not think that a person with IQ 155 much cares to win in Scrabble and I think that training and special skills, like good memory, are more important than IQ in a game. Like in chess, Kasparov was tested, had IQ 135, but one of the best memory skills, and he trained all the time. That is how you become a master in a game.

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  146. Truth says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Is zionism a proper proper noun?

    Definitely an action verb.

  147. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Chanda,

    Trade has long been a major economic activity among the peoples of the Niger delta. The Igbo are the largest and best-known of these peoples, but there are others. Because of their geographic position, they had a quasi-monopoly over trade between the coast and the interior. This involvement in trade seems to go a long way back, even before the first European contacts.

    Trade selects for cognitive ability. Mean IQ will thus be higher in populations that have long practiced trade. Far from invalidating the HBD argument, this example actually confirms it. If we exclude those talented Nigerians who are of Niger delta origin, we end up with a much smaller group.

    Ron is wrong when he cites this example as refuting the “canonical IQist position”. There is no “canon” to begin with, and the general view is that IQ varies within large geographic human groups as it does from one individual to another. Sub-Saharan Africans are not a uniform monolithic entity.

  148. j2 says:
    @j2

    To measure IQ and to exclude training, measure the learning speed of learning something mental that they have never done.

  149. anon[751] • Disclaimer says:

    “Yes, the same 12 year old white children who fail to beat 12 year old black African children …!”

    Blacks are “in.” That’s why the white 12 year old Brit kids are so stupid. They’re trying to emulate them. It’s what we in the social sciences call “faux stupidity,” “passing for black” or “retardation appropriation.”

  150. @Stealth

    Why would you expect to find

    evidence here in the United States to indicate that black people are on average smarter than white people

        as a result of the observation that in the UK, kiddies of (recent, direct) African descent outperform normal white mutts?

    The US isn’t the UK; post-1960s black immigrants to the UK are qualitatively different from the blacks in the US, and the UK’s academic outperformers tend to come from a small identifiable demographic (children of Nigerian and Ghanaian parentage), not from Afro-Caribbeans (whose black-white admixture – at ~5:1 African:White for Barbadoans – is significantly more African than US blacks at ~4:1).

    Dimwitted HBDers have a shortcoming in their ability to identify partitions in human populations – they impose partition boundaries in the wrong place.

    This results in garbage output from the classifier; the same mistake is made over and over again.

    I am always quick to point out the English/WASP claim – right up until after the middle of the 20th century – that the Irish were pretty much subhuman: this was the view the English had of the Irish peasantry before the Great Hunger of the 1840s; it was the view of US WASPs regarding the Irish diaspora. As recently as 1972 there were claims that the average Irish IQ was roughly in line with the average US black IQ (our esteemed Mr Unz has covered this, people: the fact that Lynn quietly MemoryHoled the 1971 Eysenck study says enough about Lynn’s credibility).

    Now that the Irish have had three generations of not having their output stolen by the English, and having the English boot off the Irish neck… all of a sudden that gap has entirely closed and they’re basically considered white.

    Wonder of wonders; miracle of miracles. It’s as if the gap was actually not hard-wired, and that the claimed gap was bullshit designed to buttress a ‘right to rule’ (for their own good, of course).

    And so it is in Africa right up to this day. The colonial outposts have been dismantled; the colonial enforcers are back in the home country… but the colonial constraints still bite.

    Africa still has artificial boundaries that were drawn by European colonisers. These artificial borders deliberately created countries with built-in tribal and ethnic hostilities. Those hostilities between ethnies, are a key impediment to national (and regional) cohesion.

    Consider that white US HBDers lament the problem of becoming a minority in their own country (through pure demographic change).

    Let them imagine having boundaries re-drawn, and institutional arrangements mandated by an occupying power, so that their bureaucracy is entirely populated by, say, Mexicans. See if they then grok the problem of artificial boundaries and foreign-imposed institutions.

    Post-colonial attempts to re-draw boundaries in a bid to re-partition Africa along ethnic lines, run into difficulty for multiple reasons – only one of which is Western propaganda, which paints any attempt by the naturally-dominant ethny as if it’s some sort of reversion to violent tribalism.

    The primary difficulty is actually that an if an ethny’s ‘natural’ containment crosses a colonial border, the re-drawing requires agreement from more than 1 sovereign state – often where the political leadership in one of the states is drawn from an ethny that would lose primacy if the borders changed.

    The experience of German people in the UK/French post-WWI re-drawing of European borders is instructive: within 15 years of WWI, ethnic hostility towards Germanophones in both Poland and Czechoslovakia was widespread and obvious; after the French invasion of the Ruhr in 1924 the German population was treated like serfs.

    Having said that: even if the ethny’s natural containment is entirely within a single artificial nation, these days it’s a very difficult proposition to get a state’s assent to create an ethnic enclave within its own borders. There’s too much money and power at stake

    So the whole of sub-Saharan Africa is still hostage to lines drawn by a bunch of English and French bureaucrats – whose primary objective was value-extraction.

    The same is true of the Middle East. The borders of Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq and so forth pay absolutely no regard to the ethnies the resultant states contained. So there is no Kurdish state, with that ethny mostly contained in Iraq and Turkey; the Druze are entirely under the Syrian thrall for reasons of Anglo-French geopolitics circa 1915; the Bedou are likewise split.

    If you don’t think you’ll get drama if different, often-hostile ethnies are forced to live within artificial borders: look no further than Northern Ireland – the Troubles happened when the two ethnies were virtually identical genetically, and the dividing line was 100% cultural (very slight differences in stories about a Sky Wizard).

    Back to Africa – this time in prospect. The big swing variable is the rise of China, and its trade-based approach to resource acquisition.

    China’s approach to Africa is very different to the European approach. They have arrived with a cheque-book, and designs on getting the resources it needs while creating a billion new consumers.

    This is in stark contrast to the colonial[1] vision of stealing all the resources and leaving the husk; you can only do that once, whereas the Chinks have to foresight to ‘raise all boats’ and therefore get repeat business without having to fund warships and cruise missiles.

    Prediction: once African economies industrialise to first-world standards, African measured IQs will converge to first-world levels. (US blacks are a bad basis for comparison: their economic situation is not first-world… arguably it’s a shorter time – less than 2 generations – since the overt institutional boot was removed from their neck).

    .

    [1] The colonial model has not been abandoned by the former colonial powers: international ‘aid’ programs are designed to capture resources in former colonies by ‘aid recycling’ (plus corruption)… with the eventual aim of triggering debt default and the post-colonial acquisition of the debt-funded infrastructure.

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  151. @Peter Frost

    1. The Yoruba are not from the Delta state, but they have also produced world class champions. Very unlikely if your explanation was the reason the Delta has produced such champions.
    2. What do you estimate to be the correct IQ of the Igbos or other Delta state groups?

    [And no one has said or suggested that sub-Saharan Africans are a monolithic entity, so I don’t understand why you assault that poor straw man so many times!].

  152. Pheasant says:
    @Fr. John

    ‘But, even so, I much prefer the Shire and my own ‘green and pleasant land’ to remain Monoracial, Monolingual, and Monotheistic. ‘

    You are a Mexican marrano Jew Chechar.

    Viv a la raza!

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  153. The fact is that Blacks are demonstratively less intelligent as a group than Whites. By a very long shot. It is just an observable fact. Blacks can’t even come close to creating or maintaining the levels of White civilization. Where Blacks (and Hispanics) settle in large numbers, those areas quickly become third-world hellholes filled with violence, crime and all-around animalistic behavior.
    NonWhites in general flock to White countries because Whites have made them the best places on earth to live. Then the nonWhites destroy White places.
    NonWhites, including the Jews, are the devoted enemies of White civilization. All the destructive ideologies flow from these nonWhites, and Whites have allowed themselves to be victimized.
    IQ doesn’t matter now, because it’s just war. We don’t have to justify defending ourselves by obsessing over the IQ Angels Dancing on a Pin. It’s just war.

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  154. Pheasant says:
    @SZ

    Look up R/K selection theory as applied to humans.

  155. Pheasant says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ‘What is sad is that a clearly intelligent writer has to return, again and again, to a board game, a single board game, to prove his point.’

    What say you Chisala?

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  156. SafeNow says:

    Thought experiment: You see a movie or a play with an elite, Anglophone, African, Scrabble player. Something fairly complex, filled with subtlety and irony and truth. And then you ask him to detail “What was that about?” Or, let’s go back to high school: Explain why The Ancient Mariner shot the albatross. There are several comments about chess knowledge and physics knowledge but I will add this one about — — about nothing less than understanding the richness of life.

  157. @Ponder

    I thought about answering with Numeri 25, but lets face it:
    When your god commands you to hand your sister to the kaffir some serious reappraisal is in order; religion is an extrasomatic gain-of-function sensu Lorenz with no value in and of itself beyond its adaptivity.

    Hey – I never said I was a good Catholic 😛

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  158. Marckus says:
    @dindunuffins

    LOL Dindu. You have a sharp sense of humour.

    Myself and some friends had a raucous day with this article. I have a feeling Ron publishes this rubbish to increase everyone’s blood pressure.

    As an aside your comment is well taken. In fact the Dindus in LA inadvertently discovered brain surgery during the Rodney Kind riots when they opened the truck drivers head with a brick. This is certainly an improvement versus clubs or machetes.

    Anyway, my fear is the Wakandas will purchase all the Scrabble games there are and flee to the Congo. They would form a new elite there. I just cannot imagine an America without these productive citizens. I dug out an old game and have it on Ebay in the hope someone will bid up the price. I mean for $500 or so some lucky darkie can increase his IQ and get into Yale or Harvard.

    In the meantime let me say I enjoy your comments. Keep them up, they make my day !

  159. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Raven’s progressive matrices is that ““g-loaded cognitive contests that do not require too much of such quality cultural exposure” you dumbass. It is also the standard IQ test, which shows Nigerians are dumb. Also, ashkenazi jews do not have higher IQs, that is entirely a myth created by those same jews.

  160. Malibu says:

    Me thinks the Bantu would struggle at Wheel of Fortune where you have to pay for your vowels.

  161. Marckus says:
    @the fat controller

    Well my older son is highly proficient on Alto, Tenor, Bass and valve trombone and 5 string base guitar. He has been dicking around with these from the age of 10. He cannot read a single note of music but his improvisation is phenomenal. I asked him recently how he knows what note to play and chord progressions but he told me he does not know. He just plays it. He likes Lionel Hampton and Al Grey and thinks Miles Davis is absolute shit. When it comes to managing his money though, he is at a loss but is smart enough to have engaged a financial adviser.

    My other son cannot bang two sticks together but is a wizard with money. HE, is smart enough to download his own music from the internet.

    Everyone is smart at something and the really clever people know to stick to their area of expertise and to get other experts to help them in areas where they are lacking.

    That said your comment has merit to a degree. The trained Jazz musician may have to be very smart as you outlined and even have an IQ of 100. However if his IQ in everything else is -200 then he will be in fact a certified idiot unless he corrects his deficiencies or contracts them to someone else.

    This is the state the majority of blacks find themselves and worse are unable to face the music (no pun intended). That is why overall ( Jay Z, Sean Combs, Oprah and their ilk notwithstanding ) they are at the bottom of the heap in just about every field and among every other race.

    Blacks need to stop fucking around and get back in the classroom. Until they do, all the Scrabble playing is not going to make any difference in their lives. Neither will knowing Chord progressions. THAT is a FACT !

  162. Massive cope, Chandala.

  163. FvS says:
    @Ron Unz

    A couple points.

    1.) The average West African negroid IQ is not 70. It’s probably about 80 and the lower numbers come from the depressing effect of a poor environment. I think it’s understood that negative environmental factors have a more dramatic effect on IQ than positive environmental factors do. There’s also negroid sub-racial differences to consider, just like Danes and Bulgarians have different average IQs. The Igbo and Yoruba are among the most intelligent negroids and their average IQs are in the high 80’s at least.

    2.) I’m no fan of hip-hop, but there are black rappers in the U.S. that are talented wordsmiths and some can come up with rhymes very quickly on the fly. Yet, that doesn’t stop U.S. blacks from being what they are. It just means that West African negroids likely have high verbal intelligence just like Jews do.

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  164. @Chanda Chisala

    I genuinely apologize for some of the mean and needlessly insulting comments in this thread. People should be taking a look inward if you need to engage in insulting commentary to someone who took the time to forward their observations for your consideration. Conclusions can and should be based on unpopular as well as popular fact, but don’t need to be eagerly hostile or insulting.

    I think that one aspect that I have not seen covered –
    when is the last time the typical American / European has sat down to play ANY board game? Board games – for better or worse – are for most a relic from times prior to rural electrification, and have dropped into obscurity since then. If I play chess, its usually on my phone for instance, not on a physical board.

    Its hard to play Halo: Reach, off of a solar panel.

    In Nigeria, 56% of the population report access to Electricity, meaning that traditional board games not reliant on household electrical service would have the potential to gain a larger following. War torn, mountainous Afghanistan, for instance, claims electrical service to more than 98% of its population.

    The type of regular evening village or communal gathering that was typical of American society during its developmental stage no longer happens, even in what are still rural communities. This would be a social period to develop such habits as a focus on a particular pastime. I recall my grandmother, all her kids, and all their spouses sitting down to card games each evening, as a nightly event. I have zero knowledge of Nigerian rural or urban culture, however its quite possible that – especially in a non-electrified area – this type of board game could gain extra importance as a social activity.

    Lastly, large Hausa populations within Nigeria (60 million+) , and across modern borders into Cameroon and Niger, commonly carry a paternal R1b lineage that until fairly recently was identified as European exclusive. R1b-V88 African males are not from the same ancestral paternal lineage as surrounding populations bearing the common african E1a / A / B paternal ancestries.

    This looks like a Berber affiliated population that ‘went native’ south of the Sahara as it became uninhabitable, and is today phenotypically indistinguishable from surrounding peoples.

    I think you can delve into examining the interesting question that this man is examining by considering these and other pertinent aspects and not hurl a single insult.

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  165. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    So: I, at least, don’t think that learning a game, one that has very little to do with applications or invention, is a good indicator of high intelligence, although it does eliminate people with an IQ of less than, at a guess, 100.

    Agreed, that is why IQ tests attempt to measure a subject’s ability to use reason, logic, and abstract thinking in solving complex problems.

  166. @Pheasant

    Oh. What say I is that apparently he did not read as far as the end of the first sentence of my article, where a link is given to one of my many articles that tries to “prove my point” with no reference to that single board game!

    [Not to mention that it has obviously not just been “a single board game” that I have “returned to” in my articles on cognitive games, eg: https://www.unz.com/article/scrabble-spells-doom-for-the-racial-hypothesis-of-intelligence/#p_1_43

    Not that I’m bothered at all when I’m misrepresented (for rhetorical points): I never expect much intellectual honesty from most people, after all!]

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  167. @anon

    Looks like you were ‘punked’. The brilliant comment to which you replied was clearly sarcastic, at least it is to native English speakers with IQ circa 140.

    • Replies: @anon
  168. I have little use for blacks, who I observe to be a race of savages incapable of civilization as we know it.

    However, this no point in denying that this is an impressive article. Chisala is winning the debate.

    Something is going on in west Africa that HBD does not understand. I don’t understand it, either. Sooner or later, HBD and I shall have to figure it out and, probably, modify our view. Until then, the reasonable position is to assume that Chisala’s hypothesis were more or less correct.

  169. Rubicon says:
    @Badger Down

    We have yet to read even ONE author on UNZ.com that truly understands the major fallacies of
    an “IQ Test.”
    All of those tests are based on what the creators, perceive as real intelligence. All OF THEM.

    Just because someone is good or great with Scrabble, doesn’t necessarily mean that person has a high IQ. Instead it measures a particular skill he/she has picked up LARGELY because the environment in which the person was raised in.

    Let’s take the following scenario:
    A Jewish child gets mixed up at birth and he/she ends up being raised by a dirt poor family in the Ozark Mountains. That child will end up with low to medium IQ. Nothing special, another words.

    Now let’s take a Black child who is adopted by parents from a high-income family WHO nurtures
    that child from Day One in the areas of mathematics, literature, science, and written expression.
    Meaning, he’s grown up in a very dynamic, and enriching family with parents who sponsor this kind of learning from Day One. If that black child is given an “IQ Test” he’s going to score very high.

    As educators used to know, solidly middle/upper middle class children with a very enriching home life, always have far higher vocabulary skills than those from poor families. They are usually good spellers (not always, though) and perform well with expressive/receptive language skills.

    All of this can be attributed to their parents and family.
    You see, that’s part of the problem, these IQ tests are simply measuring skills mastered or not mastereed based on THE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.
    PERIOD!

  170. I think the casual dismissal of your arguments are generally pretty poor. I think the prevalence of high performing Nigerians is strong proof against a strong interpretation of the national IQ data for Nigeria. Similarly, the high performance of emigrant Indians in the west is proof against the national IQ data being a genotypic dictate. I think the case that the genotypic average for Nigeria is ~80 is far stronger than like 65, similarly my suspicion is that India is more ~90 than the 80 seen from national data. Importantly, if these gaps are environmental, subsets of the population that are less malnourished (or whatever is causing such depression) should be at or around their genotypic IQ. These subsets may even be selectively higher IQ for simple feedback reasons (high genotypic IQ means more money, which means you can afford to support your kids to live up to their higher than pop genotypic IQ)

    I think with scabble, it’s worth pointing out that IQ-success correlations are almost never r = 0.8, they’re generally lower. given this paper (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289616301593), which claims a r = 0.35 for IQ-chess correlations. Assuming that the IQ gap is ~1.33 std, the simulations I’ve done give a roughly 3:1 ratio of white:nigerian at +2 STD in scabble ability given equal populations. This is certainly disproportionate, but if scrabble is way more popular in nigeria this is plausible. Entirely possible I’ve gotten calcs wrong though. I think 155 IQ is a poor estimate though, that’s well above most conventional estimates of top level CEO IQs, and the only way I can see it being true is if IQ has a non-normal distribution, which makes the nigerian-white comparison confused.

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  171. @Trial by Wombat

    I genuinely apologize for some of the mean and needlessly insulting comments in this thread. People should be taking a look inward if you need to engage in insulting commentary to someone who took the time to forward their observations for your consideration. Conclusions can and should be based on unpopular as well as popular fact, but don’t need to be eagerly hostile or insulting.

    An intelligent and polite poster. I agree completely

  172. Ola says: • Website

    when is the last time the typical American / European has sat down to play ANY board game? Board games – for better or worse – are for most a relic from times prior to rural electrification, and have dropped into obscurity since then.

    This doesn’t ring true to me. Board games (especially complex and nerdy ones) actually have undergone a renaissance all over the Western world in the last 5-10 years – certainly so in Sweden where I live. About one out of three girls (age 18-40) that I see on Tinder have “boardgames” ticked as an interest (there is a limited choice of interests to tick, but still)

    And that notwithstanding, traditional board games like Monopoly, Cluedo, and Scrabble have been popular all my life (I was born in 1971). Most people I know, of all ages and both sexes, play them. And Scrabble in particular has always been a favorite pastime among university students. I know several competitive scrabble players, just by virtue of having smart and nerdy friends.

  173. Amerikastani white right wingers are so desperate to find something to feel superior about – after losing literally every battle they’ve picked in the last over half a century, from school integration to abortion to same sex marriage – that they’re left with screaming about an article about Scrabble, which, by the way, the vast majority of Amerikastanis I have known lack the vocabulary to play.

    Do people literally have nothing better to do with their time?

  174. Rdm says:
    @Badger Down

    Whether or not you agree with the rebuttal, it’s clear that everyone is prejudiced. If you’re not a fan of boxing, it’s alright. But if hundreds or thousands of you alike are bad at boxing, it tells us something, doesn’t it?

    However, even if you’re good at boxing, it doesn’t tell us anything. Only when hundreds of you alike are good at boxing and some will climb to the top, then it does tell us something.

    A mountain of chatter that you didn’t read when it’s going against every fiber of your prejudice, so it looks like a crap.

    The same thing as when one said “Biden cheated the election” with a mountain of evidence, but Biden fan will still say a mountain of chatters and will still support a puppet in the White House.

  175. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    I gave Raven’s advanced progressive matrix to a bunch of PhDs and Ivy leagues during their interviews …

    I wonder why?

    The Ivy Leaguers will obviously be over 120, as those with lower scores are excluded from the Ivy Leagues by the entrance SAT test.

    As for the PhDs, they also have to be over 120, since not only will they have been in at least the upper half of their graduating class, but subsequent to obtaining a bachelor’s degree they will have spent years doing purely academic stuff, either mainly word- or mainly number-focused, which should have sharpened their test performance.

    But that Richard Feynman might really have scored 134, not 124, is essentially meaningless. We know he was barely literate: his books were ghosted, with only one exception that I know of and that was a dud. The Lectures in Physics, probably the world’s most important physics text book, though certainly an expression of Feynman’s ideas, was based on extensively edited transcripts of tape recordings of his CalTech physics course.

    Other great physicists with modest IQs include the Nobel Prize winners Alvarez and Shockley, both of whom failed to make the cut for Terman’s long-term study of gifted individuals. Of those who did make the cut (IQ 150 plus), none won a Nobel Prize or did anything particularly interesting. At least one became a janitor, another a fisherman, and a third a carpenter. No doubt others went on to highly rewarded careers as periodontists, proctologists or brain surgeons, but none that we know of displayed genius, which is clearly independent of IQ above a rather modest threshold.

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  176. Skeptikal says:
    @joe2.5

    Also, not all words in the dictionary are acceptable in Scrabble. One really has to memorize a Scrabble dictionary to get the good combos, many of which are totally obscure letter combinations that one would know about only because one has pored over the official Scrabble dictionary.

    I love to play Scrabble and I have my own approach to generating words from the tiles I have pulled. But I sure don’t think it is necessarily a sign of intelligence to be good at it. You could make the same assertion for, say, bridge. In fact, bridge probably requires more intelligence than Scrabble.

    And I must say that playing with someone who is just out to get ahead of opponents with high scores for obscure combos etc. is not much fun to play with. Everyone enjoys getting a good word and score everyone enjoys winning—but focusing too much on winning as a sole reason for playing is a downer for everyone else, and feels kind of adolescent, to boot.

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  177. Boris II says:

    Fantastic article.

    Has anyone checked on Emil Kirkegaard?

  178. Right_On says:
    @the fat controller

    I agree that jazz improvisation needs a sharp, sensitive mind. And I have complete respect for the masters of that art. The problem is that – unlike I.Q. tests – jazz proficiency is not objectively measurable. Which jazz players a fan rates highly is a subjective judgement – and can lead to passionate disagreements.

  179. FvS says:
    @JohnNotAfrican

    India is tricky because of their caste system and any possible eugenic effects it may have on the Brahmins. Then you have to take into consideration selection-bias when it comes to emigrant Indian performance in the West (same for Nigerians). There are about 2.7 million Indians in the U.S., and the vast majority are from the upper-castes. There are 1.37 billion Indians in India.

  180. @Marckus

    chord progressions pay my bills…

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  181. Arturo de Gheaube [AKA "Arturo de Gheaube 2"] says:
    @FvS

    why is no one talking about Dr Samuel Morton, and the demonstrable fact that the ss negro brain weighs up to 120 grams less than the typical caucasian brain (and <125 grams typical mongolian brain)

    see Crania Americana

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  182. joe2.5 says:
    @Some Guy

    Wow. Well, even if we were to accept a once-off freak as non-exceptional, still the objection remains that learning an entire dictionary by heart isn’t something I’d be ready to qualify as a having anything to do with intelligence.

  183. joe2.5 says:
    @Skeptikal

    Personally speaking, to rule inacceptable any “word” in the French language, nowadays that the almost entire corpus is readily at anyone’s fingertips, would disqualify the game rather than the player.
    As for combinatorial faculties used for winning, I’ll agree that those could be part of what some call intelligence. Not memory or the means used to build one, though.

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  184. @Peter Frost

    Ron is wrong when he cites this example as refuting the “canonical IQist position”.

    I think it does what Ron claims. Richard Lynn has repeatedly said for his hereditarian model to make sense there should be a strong positive correlation between geographical distance and IQ difference (to the extent the mean IQ for populations with no data can be estimated from nearby geographical populations with data). We already know there exists a strong positive correlation between geographical (especially latitudinal) distance and genetic distance (r2 = .77, Handley et al, 2007). We don’t though find a strong correlation like this between geographical distance and IQ difference, it’s significantly weaker see here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269477449_Genetic_Distances_and_IQ-Differences_A_cross-national_study (r = . 47 for latitude, r = . 12 for longitude, r – .30 for genetic distance) Geographical/genetic distances and IQ-differences between countries do correlate positively – but not particularly high.

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  185. The extra cognitive skill comes from millenials spent tracking wild animals through the bush.

  186. Chinaman says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Ok. Let’s be intellectually honest.

    Forget IQ, scrabble or all these surrogates and stats which have little relevance in the real world. Let’s talk about things that actually matter, like economic development and technology .

    China was as poor or worst than some African countries in 1980. How do you explain the discrepancy in economic development between China and Africa now ? China leads the West in several new technologies (e.g. 5G) while Africa have not even master industrialisation. What do you think have hindered the industrial development in Africa ?

    If Africa adopted all the policies implemented by the Chinese since 1978 and went on the same developmental trajectory, should we expect the same results?

    Unlike all the white people here who is trying to put you down, I would love to see a prosperous and strong Africa because we are natural allies in the struggle against western hegemony. Now, I think we agreed that beating White people at scrabble is not as useful as leading them in Quantum computing.

    How do we channel those precious African cognitive resources into something more productive than scrabble for the betterment of Africa ?

  187. Ron Unz says:
    @Peter Johnson

    A measured average IQ of 70 in underdeveloped African countries probably consists of 15 points “Flynn effect” environmental effect due to familiarity with technology and the associated cognitive demands of modern life…

    Sure, that seems perfectly possible. But I think you just pulled those numbers out of a hat. What if someone else says the environmental/cultural shift is 10 IQ points, and a third person says it’s probably 20 points, while others say 5 or 25. Those are gigantic error-bars on an allegedly solid scientific measurement.

    To the extent that less harder-core IQists now take those more reasonable positions, I think it’s substantially due to my own major Race/IQ article from eight or nine years ago in which I pointed out the obvious absurdities in the Lynn/Vanhanen IQ book, which was then widely considered the canonical text among IQists:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    Lynn and one of his leading academic allies responded, and here’s my rejoinder (which also contains links to their pieces):

    https://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/

    I think the points I had made were so obvious and irrefutable that many IQists became greatly embarrassed and soon trimmed their sails on the entire issue. Thus, note that my original comment explicitly focused on the “harder-core IQists.”

  188. Ponder says:
    @Marckus

    But but but if blacks need to stop fucking around and get back to the classroom, doesn’t that imply something else other than just a lack of IQ? Can a gorilla increase its lot by stopping “fucking around and going to the classroom”? Will it’s IQ increase? And if UK 12 year old black kids have an increased IQ, does it not automatically imply that IQ is not just/only a hereditary phenomenon? But then, what would happen to muh hate if we acknowledged such simple “truths”? Can I find 50 honest persons at unz? 40? 30? 20? 10? Or must Sodom be destroyed?

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  189. Polymath says:

    Many of the commenters are falling into the same traps the article picks apart.

    It’s always seemed simple to me: Africa has a few high-IQ tribes but they are numerically much smaller relative to the rest of the continent than the high-IQ subgroups on other continents, so the continent has a lower average. At the extreme right tail, they will dominate other Africans in the same way Ashkenazi Jews dominate Europeans, and be competitive with high-IQ European groups.

    The Igbo are known to be very smart, but I am sure the author could name some other particularly smart subgroups.

  190. Chinaman says:
    @CanSpeccy

    You will be surprised how many candidates scored IQ 100- 110. PhDs have an average of say 125 IQ …not a minimum. One PhD of Indian ancestry forgot to answer half of the questions because it was printed on both sides. What I can say for sure is that a simple cognitive test of any sort will save you a lot of time in filtering away candidates.

    We didn’t start with the rule that we will only interview PhDs and Ivy leauge graduates but that’s what ended up doing as we received a lot of resumes and had to apply a filter somehow. We had 80 samples and ended up with a tri-modal distribution with a truncated right tail because the test have a ceiling of 135. Let’s just say it conforms to what we know about race and intelligence.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  191. Ponder says:
    @Chinaman

    But you have the answer to your question. What factors have allowed the Chinese to suddenly develop more so in the last 20 years? Why is North Korea underdeveloped by south Korea’s standards? Some answers are right in your face?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  192. bayviking says:

    It is said that the number of brain cells (IQ?) necessary for an Australian aborigine to track an injured animal across the desert is equivalent to the number of brain a cells an Ashkenazi Jew needs to develop quantum mechanics.

    There is no doubt genetics and environment each play a role in brain development. Far more than race, whose environments are still highly segregated.

    The Confederacy’s most celebrated Civil War leader, white supremacist John Hunt Morgan, fathered one son by one of his slaves. That lad went on to become a distinguished Ohio scientist and engineer, (the first African-American to own a car) Garrett Augustus Morgan is credited with the invention of a smoke-mask which saved many firefighters’ lives; and even more importantly, the three color traffic signal, a necessary device in the early twentieth century as Cleveland and the nation transitioned from horseback to the automobile.

    As we contemplate our superiority to other cultures we seem to forget what we used to be and how much more corrupt, ignorant and violent we once were compared to the so called primitives we condemn today. In fact if we judge the USA on the basis of killing, maiming and destroying other human beings we are number 1. Capitalism has nothing to do with freedom or democracy.

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  193. Mike Tre says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hey Ron-boy,

    Why don’t you just admit you hate the white man. Admit that the reason you prefer mexicans is because they don’t harbor the guilt that whitey does. This makes them useful in two regards. One, they won’t carry any slavery guilt when it comes to time to put an end to the negro beast your jewish relatives unleashed upon the West, and two, they will mow your lawn for a third the cost of a Euro-descended white guy.

    Jews and mexicans; utopia awaits!

    • Replies: @would smashionalist
  194. Ponder says:
    @Peter Frost

    But Peter, if trade increases IQ, then IQ must be an important part of the nurture and not the nature? No? Which would explain black 12 year olds high IQ in the UK. No?

  195. Ponder says:
    @Arturo de Gheaube

    And has a new study been done recently? My hypothesis —-Taking into account that diets play a significant role, many small statured Africans have recently been producing much larger humans due to dietary improvements. ——clearly, a constant diet that supplies the necessary nutrition could also affect the Brain size. I am also a firm believer of necessity is the mother of invention and I believe the tropics caused Africans to live a “lazy intellectual life”.

    • Replies: @Arturo de Gheaube
  196. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    What if someone else says the environmental/cultural shift is 10 IQ points, and a third person says it’s probably 20 points, while others say 5 or 25. Those are gigantic error-bars on an allegedly solid scientific measurement.

    The points you make here and in your response to Lynn and Nyborg seem both reasonable and important. I believe, however, that there is something important missing from the discussion, namely, what it means for groups to differ in IQ when there are differences in culture, rural deprivation, etc.

    The assumption seems to be that the group with the higher IQ is the most intelligent, but I think this is an unreasonable assumption. Yes, if you are raising a child to be railway ticket inspectors or bank clerks, a high IQ, at least up to a point, is a good thing since it is indicative of numeracy and literacy, which are requirements of the job. But poor farmers who make up the majority of the population of Bangladesh, Bolivia or Benin have limited use for either numeracy or literacy, whereas there are many things unknown to an urbanized citizen of the developed world that they must know or be able to do if they are to stay alive. The acquisition and manifestation of such knowledge and skill is every bit as reasonably called intelligence as performance on the verbal and numerical tasks comprising an IQ test.

    Thus, to assess innate differences in intelligence among national or other groups, one would have to devise a method of comparison that took account not only of cultural differences but also environmental differences, for example, malnutrition or disease. No such comparisons have ever been realistically made. Raven’s matrices certainly don’t cut it. Moreover, I see no point in trying to make the comparison. Who cares? And if anyone does care, do they have a sensible reason for caring?

  197. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    What I can say for sure is that a simple cognitive test of any sort will save you a lot of time in filtering away candidates.

    Absolutely, although you might very well flush away the odd Feynman, Alvarez or Shockley.

    But if you are concerned to identify the candidates with the greatest potential, a better idea would be to test candidates on their actual knowledge and competence in their area of specialization. Then you would find out if, like Feynman, someone is really, really good at what most interests them.

  198. mikemikev says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    The simple explanation is that Handley is wrong.

  199. @Mike Tre

    Ron Unz has assembled much useful information for the white man on this website. You are wrong to address him in this insulting manner.

  200. @anon

    But how do you scrabble M’bala M’bala?

  201. @Chinaman

    Aren’t you that same chinaman who not long ago revealed in an amusing emotional outburst that you believe the races of man are destined to engage in genocidal war with each other? Is that sort of hardcore racialist thinking common among Chinese nationalists like yourself? One ugly byproduct of China’s incredibly successful and impressive transformation from a poor country into a rich and powerful one is that it inspires the type of ethnic supremacism and hatred for other races that you exhibit.

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  202. Found it. FYI
    https://www.scribd.com/document/354273304/Jewish-Bias-of-the-Nobel-Prize-15-3-2011

    Also, since Albert’s name was raised, this Dihn essay might be worth recycling:
    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/jewish-genius/

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  203. GeeBee says:
    @Pheasant

    You are a Mexican marrano Jew Chechar.

    Che? Cesar is about the most virulently anti-Christianity personage on the face of the earth. Just what are you suggesting?

  204. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    We don’t have to justify defending ourselves by obsessing over the IQ Angels Dancing on a Pin. It’s just war.

    Argument hasn’t mattered for a considerable time interval. Contemporary political argument is on the level of saying that since a carpenters hammer can both drive in nails and extract them, it contradicts itself and therefore doesn’t exist. Political action is on the level of pulling a knife to win a Chess game.

    That’s because the money has run out, we’re poor now, we can’t support our entire present population, and will get poorer.

  205. Arturo de Gheaube [AKA "Arturo de Gheaube 2"] says:
    @Ponder

    friend :

    ponder this :

    it might make for some rotund natives (and some hungry pirates off the Horn) however no amount of western food aid is going to achieve much more on the dark continent than a quadrupling of the population every twenty years (or so).

    next time you see a full blooded ss native, have a good look at the profile. note the almost universal lack of the double chin.

    could you really shoehorn a 1450cc brain into that prognathic configuration ?

    maybe after 250k yrs of infinity alabama maersks riding low on the water while crammed with grains en route to feed “starving” africa so her daughters can have 8.9 revenge babies each and every one of which will spend far more time practicing on an inner tube for a sailing adventure to europe (via the Canaries, the spanish are tired) … than practicing expert scrabble.

  206. Chinaman says:
    @Ponder

    No… Hedonism\capitalism doesn’t explain why North Korea have thermonuclear bombs while South Korea doesn’t.. North Korea also have formidable hacking capabilities which is undermining America’s democracy if you haven’t heard. Haha

    It also doesn’t explain why China had developed the satellite and nuclear weapons in 1964 just before the cultural revolution and after the great leap forward.

    Africa have none of these things and never had to suffer the scourge of communism.

    China is still officially a communist hellhole, right? albeit with 5G and magnev trains.

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    , @Chanda Chisala
  207. xcd says:
    @Wyatt

    they never found much of anything

    So, why are they still there, all these centuries later?

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  208. Arturo de Gheaube [AKA "Arturo de Gheaube 2"] says:

    btw :

    from the author’s own site, zambiaonline.com, here’s a story of some tnb (typical african behavior) that begs the question of the typicality of monsieur chisala’s claims :

    « Before Kitwe local court senior magistrate Frederick Ndhlovu was Samuel Mwika who told the court that his wife, Suwilanji Nalwamba, has been denying him conjugal rights.
    Mwika told the court that the couple which has three children together married in 2010 and three out of four cows were paid as bride price.
    He narrated that their marriage should come to an end because of his wife’s continued sex ban, a situation that has led him to impregnating another woman.
    “My wife suddenly begun to act strangely. She does not allow me to touch her. I thought the behaviour was because we used to live at her parent’s house but she continued even after we shifted.
    “Whenever I want us to meet as a couple, I need to plead, and kneel but she does not give in to my plea. I cannot continue like this. It is better for us to divorce,” Mwika submitted.
    He said he has used all avenues to have them reconciled and he has been left with no choice but to call it quits.
    He also said he fears for his manhood as his wife always grabs him whenever they have a fight.
    In her defence, Nalwamba said she cannot keep up with Mwika’s sex demands even when he knows that she was just from giving birth to their third child.
    She accused Mwika of bringing a sexually transmitted infection (STI) in their home.
    “It is true I have not given him sex in a long time, apart from last week, he is promiscuous and has already brought an STI in our home. He likes demanding for sex even when he knows I just gave birth,” she said.
    Magistrate Ndhlovu granted divorce and admonished Mwika for impregnating another woman even when he was legally married to Nalwamba.
    He ordered Mwika to pay K6,000 as compensation in monthly instalments of K200. »

  209. gregor says:

    The problem with using even “elite” scrabble rankings is that it’s a niche hobby with a pretty shallow talent pool. For instance, there’s only one American in the top ten, yet New Zealand, a tiny country with a population of around 5 million, has two in the top ten. Obviously the level of interest from country to country varies considerably. This can give some quirky results.

    Chess is immensely more popular and presumably more dependent on intelligence than scrabble but even in the case of chess the relationship between performance and IQ is perhaps not as strong as commonly assumed. The paper linked below surveyed club players with Elo ratings between 1311 and 2387. Elo rating was 35% correlated with general intelligence and 46% with numerical intelligence. Average IQ in the sample was around 114. They note that “the potential threshold for strong intermediate chess performance (defined as 2000 ELO) is remarkably low (verbal and numerical IQs between 85 and 90),” and “expert chess play (defined as above 2200 ELO) can apparently be attained with IQs slightly above average (110–115).” Though most of the good players seem to be 120+. Apparently some studies focusing on higher rated players show quite modest correlation with IQ, likely due to restriction of range. Hence at the GM and super-GM levels, the thresholds are probably a bit higher but IQ probably explains a quite low percentage of variance in performance.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6845533_Individual_differences_in_chess_expertise_A_psychometric_investigation

    We see almost no blacks reaching elite levels of chess. Globally, I believe there have been a total of three black grandmasters. The highest ranked of these is Pontus Carlsson who is ranked #1,061 in the world. So very good black players do exist, but they are rare and none have ever reached the very top level. [Another interesting point with chess is that sex differences, at least at elite levels, are so great that women generally have to compete separately. Judit Polgar peaked at #8 but she was an extreme outlier. There’s currently one woman in the top 100 and she’s toward the bottom of the list.]

    Turning now to scrabble, I suspect this has been far less studied than chess. I just don’t buy that the IQ threshold for top scrabble players is anywhere near 155.

    Scrabble is another cognitively demanding game involving combining letters to make words. It has been shown by Toma, Halpern and Berger (2014) that top scrabble experts have “extraordinarily high levels of visuospatial and verbal working memory capacities” and score 1.23d higher than elite college students who scored at the 93rd percentile of the quantitative SAT.

    This says that according to one study, top scrabble players scored higher on specific subtests, but that doesn’t necessarily mean their overall IQs are way beyond those of elite college students. Nor is this believable in light of what we see with chess and other domains.

    I am not very familiar with Lynn’s work, but my understanding is that the direct testing that has been done in Africa (probably very spotty) has indeed shown very low scores, around 70 on average, with some debate over the interpretation of these very low scores. That would be around a 2 SD difference relative to whites. However in the USA, the difference is more like 1 or 1.1 SD. Another point I would make is that a single normal distribution for all of sub-Saharan Africa is probably not the right model. In reality there’s going to be some heterogeneity that would be better modeled as multi-modal or a mixture distribution. Just estimating a total continent-wide mean and standard deviation could underestimate the smart fraction at certain thresholds. In other words, if you assume mean=70 and SD=12 applies uniformly over the entire continent, then, yes, an IQ of 142 would be +6 SD which is around one in a billion, which is basically zero. But if you relax things just a bit and allow for some heterogeneity, you could have some upper modes that would give more of a right tail without changing the mean very much.

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  210. xcd says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Perhaps the really “gifted” were smart enough to get out of the rat race.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  211. Adûnâi says: • Website

    So many words – and yet it seems clear to me that those races which see snow in winter represent what passes for civilisation on this globe. The real hindrance to progress is not exactly economic resources but culture – Christian self-hate has been the doom of Aryan societies; starting with Western Europe, it brought South Africa and Soviet Russia to their knees, and is now ravaging what is left of America.

    Regarding the DPRK (called here “North Korea”) – they are clearly a population of a value even higher than the Aryans. Despite tremendous economic shortages and a 30-year-old blockade, not only have they not collapsed like South Africa – they have become a space and nuclear power with the population of 25 mil., and now they produce their own smartphones. That must be taken into account when praising Brood War’s Flash or BoxeR. It is a clear sign of the superiority of the Korean race – otherwise, you must give credit to the Juche Idea (which undoubtedly contributed by shielding the Korean people from the rot-inducing influence of Christianity).

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    , @Ponder
  212. It seems that regardless o the details, the depth, the scope or the who people manage to mangle up the issues because it undermines a premise established 1000 years ago,.

    Skin color is not indicative of some biological markered steady state of intelligence and most likely other cognitive processes.

    That blacks exposed to similar content, and circumstances will meet the standard or exceed it. That’s all it means. Which is a good deal given the manner in which IQ and skin color are associated. And that researchers in testing that construction have turned to other indices to test that, i.e. scrabble, etc. are finding that not only is the premise wanting, so has the methodology used to establish the same.

    And given that one the most ardent advocates also turned to other indices indicating cognitive innate superiority of whites, in this case over blacks has found his premise is incorrect, simple acknowledgement of the examples — is just too hard to take.

    None of this should come as Earth shattering news given the role that skin color plays in any cognitive process — nil.

    • Agree: Ponder
    • Replies: @FvS
  213. Ponder says:
    @nokangaroos

    You may be catholic, good or bad, but you are definitely not a Christian, for your responses negate very Christ Himself and what He was, and is and always will be — Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. —- the bigotry and racism and hatred you advocate for are anti-Christian and thus by definition also anti-christ. So again, how can you be a Christian?

  214. @ForeverGone

    Lammy and Abbott are proof that “positive discrimination” has a long history in the UK. In the case of Lammy, he is so “differently logical” that he cannot see that his perpetual race baiting is in direct conflict with the priveledge of his own experience. Is this incompetence or dishonesty? A bit of both I suspect. Either way my 14 year old kid could argue circles around either of them.

  215. Hmmmr says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No doubt the truth lives somewhere in between the “canonical” and the wishful. In other words, sub-Saharan Africans — on average — are not as stupid as you say they are claimed to be, and they are not a smart as Chisala wishes us to believe.

    @Chanda Chisala do where do you fall in the above spectrum? How smart do you wish us to believe Africans are? You have argued the average African IQ can’t possibly be as low as 70- most HBDers would probably agree. Now can you please plainly state whether you believe there are any differences in IQ at all? Does the Scrabble data suggest no IQ gap, small negligible gap in favor of Whites, small gap in favor of Blacks, large gap in favor of Blacks?

  216. @Ron Unz

    I did not exactly pull it out of a hat, but it certainly was “back of the envelope.” In their paper, Global Ancestry and Cognitive Ability, Pleska et al. find that sub-Saharan African ancestry (as a % of ancestry) has a coefficient of 0.80 in explaining standardized (zero mean, unit standard deviation) g-scores. Hence moving from European to full sub-Saharan African ancestry lowers IQ (100 mean, 15 standard deviation) from average 100 to 100 – .8*15 = 88. So something around in there.

  217. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Re: Richard Feynman:

    we know his books were ghosted, with only one exception that I know of and that was a dud.

    In that I was mistaken. I overlooked the short book titled QED.

    QED, the book, must have been essentially Feynman’s own work and it is a brilliant example of the popularization of science. In it, Feynman did for the double slit experiment what Clerk Maxwell did for electromagnetism: he created a mechanical model of what was to be explained which corresponds with the mathematics and thus gives the lay person a sense of exactly how crazy the underlying phenomenon is.

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  218. CanSpeccy says:
    @xcd

    Perhaps the really “gifted” were smart enough to get out of the rat race.

    The sad truth seems to be that the “really gifted” are at greater risk, perhaps much greater, of mental and physiological disorders. cf. Karpinski et al. High intelligence: A risk factor for psychological and physiological overexcitabilities (Intelligence, Volume 66, January–February 2018, Pages 8-23)

    • Replies: @xcd
  219. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Chanda,

    Whenever I’ve looked into examples of Nigerians with stellar intellectual ability, about 90% of them turn out to be Igbo, i.e., people with origins in the Niger delta (The Nigerian government encourages a geographically narrow definition of “Igbo” to prevent another Biafra).

    I’ve looked for IQ data on the Igbo, but to no avail. We have GCSE results on Igbo and Yoruba immigrants in the United Kingdom. For the years 2009 to 2011, the results were:

    2009: Igbo – 100%, Yoruba – 39%
    2010: Igbo – 80%, Yoruba – 68%
    2011: Igbo – 76%, Yoruba – 75%

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/12/not-what-you-think.html

    Given the volatility of these results, they should be treated with caution. Students can cheat on exams, and intelligent students are even better at cheating. This is a problem when we try to interpret data from a high-trust society, like the UK. The degree of surveillance is relatively low and fairly easy to circumvent. It’s easy to hire a “stand-in” who looks similar.

    I agree that Igbo are, on average, intelligent. It’s hard to fake intelligence in the real world, and the Igbo have a long history of success in business and other endeavors. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    “no one has said or suggested that sub-Saharan Africans are a monolithic entity”

    I agree. No one has said that. So why are IQ critics operating on the assumption that “IQ-ists” have said that?

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
  220. Ponder says:
    @Chinaman

    I thought you would move to second order and third order analysis. My point still stands if you look harder or closer. Hint – of the achievements made, how many have piggybacked on existing technology and at what level of cooperation and educational and informational transfer? Think again about my question, with the above that was involved in both North Korea and also for South Korea. Does that explain their different technological prowess vis-a-vis each other? Think about it. Further, how much more advanced would Iran be without North Korea, Russia and China as another thought process. Now, which African country has supported its citizens education wise in STEM abroad? Hint – Nothing significant. Most is individual and family effort.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  221. Wyatt says:
    @xcd

    For the same reason the Chinese are there. Africa itself is a land rich in arable farmland and mineral resources. The problem used to be the moderate sized African populations who were too stupid to actually use those resources. Now, there’s an excessively sized African population that is actually more easy to exploit, especially by the ruthless Beijing bugmen.

    Had God seen fit to give Africans a bit more intelligence to actually develop technology and use natural resources, colonialism’s impacts wouldn’t be as prevalent as they still are. But the fact of the matter is that Africans want first world status, amenities and resources, but they lack the cooperative skill and raw cognitive ability to achieve it. Once the west collapses and they have no more wealth to ship to black Africa, the Chinky bugs will descend and abscond with everything, leaving Africa a withered husk.

    And frankly, good for them. I’d prefer an unempathetic but still human intelligence to have those resources than the idiots squatting on them for entire millennia and accomplishing fuck all.

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  222. Ponder says:
    @Adûnâi

    Don’t be lazy intellectually —- which African country is free to follow it’s own path? Name one I am waiting? So, African “rich leaders who are in power after colonialism”, serve whose interests? Why are their accounts which they loot from the nation not frozen like Iran’s for you know “responsibility to protect” said nations from economic slavery when clearly all the loans taken never accomplish what they were supposedly given. And even worse, more IMF loans given to saddle said nations with more debt. That’s just one example. Also see my response to chinaman on the same.

  223. FvS says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    A race is a subspecies. Race goes beyond just skin color. Google some pictures of African albinos. And you would have to be insane to think that evolution stops at the shoulders.


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  224. He only makes a convincing argument that being good at Scrabble has *some* correlation with G. His critique of Kierkegaard is also quite pertinent.

    However, the emphasis he adds to the importance of sociocultural background on national performance in certain mind sports thoroughly undermines his case, considering the unique popularity the game of scrabble enjoys in Nigeria.

    Furthermore, the phenotypic IQ of Nigerians is believed to be closer to 80-85 than 70, and their genetic variation higher than that of Western Europeans, which may translate into a higher standard deviation in IQ scores.

    He offered no good reason to assume that scrabble is as G loaded in Nigeria as it is in the west — it might just be that Nigerians who are less intelligent than their western counterparts pick up the game due to its popularity, while westerners with an equal IQ lack the motivation to put the same effort into it. Hence only westerners with higher IQs, who find the game easier and have to invest less effort, will get into it professionally.

    In short, he does *nothing* to undermine the HBD position — other than point to a dubious study by an HBDer (Kierkegaard)

  225. Ian Smith says:
    @Rahan

    Russia is dysfunctional by the standards of West/Central Europe and the Anglosphere. Globally, not so much. I’ve been over there and I can assure you that St. Petersburg and Moscow look nothing like Lagos or Kano!

    • Replies: @Rahan
  226. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Rubicon

    these IQ tests are simply measuring skills mastered or not mastereed based on THE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT

    Exactly.

    Jewish kids have Jewish mothers, worth at least 10 to 15 IQ points.

    Chinese kids have Tiger Moms, apparently worth 8 to 10 points.

    English kids have Moms who are mostly down the pub, which means negative 5 or 10 points but more or less balanced by the mental stimulus of having to fend for themselves, open a package of chips, find the ice cream at the bottom of the freezer, etc.

    African kids have moms who have to walk ten miles a day with a barrel of water on their head, gather firewood, wash clothes down at the river, etc. all of which tends to totally distract attention from stupid classroom exercises of no possible relevance to human survival, the net result good for negative 10 to 50 points.

  227. @gregor

    This says that according to one study, top scrabble players scored higher on specific subtests, but that doesn’t necessarily mean their overall IQs are way beyond those of elite college students. Nor is this believable in light of what we see with chess and other domains.

    1. For my argument, it does not matter if they were tested in only some subtests. Black Africans are supposed to score much lower in those specific subtests.
    2. If you see the profiles of these top Scrabble players, you will believe that they are smarter than average elite students. I have covered their profiles in some past articles. (see https://www.unz.com/article/scrabble-spells-doom-for-the-racial-hypothesis-of-intelligence/#p_1_13 )
    3. More than “one study” on Scrabble expert intelligence has been done. Google.

    Turning now to scrabble, I suspect this has been far less studied than chess. I just don’t buy that the IQ threshold for top scrabble players is anywhere near 155.

    I also analyzed it on assumption that it is 145. Still doesn’t work. Or even all the way down to 130, see Ron’s post above (it still doesn’t work).

    https://www.unz.com/article/nigerians-jews-and-scrabble-an-update-on-the-iq-debate/#comment-4498184

    What would you suggest is a reasonable IQ threshold for *top* expert Scrabble?

    • Replies: @gregor
  228. Chinaman says:
    @Ponder

    I have a low IQ compared to my peer group so my facile but empirical analysis is probably the best I can do.

    Americans invented all that technology of course and the Chinese and Korea piggyback on it. ( let’s omit the part that some of tech was taken from the Nazi.)

    There is no denying that.

    Ultimately, the mark of Intelligence is a people’s ability to learn and to adapt to their environment. I think all the Asian have done that quite well and caught up really quickly. Africa have not and I simply do not see that happening in the foreseeable future even though it would be a great thing for humanity.

    • Replies: @Ponder
    , @Marckus
  229. Ponder says:
    @Adûnâi

    And I forgot to ask you the obvious, are there significant challenges to those that live in the snow, as compared to those that live in the tropics? Does the needs that arise due to the harshness of the snow require innovative ways to survive? Why didn’t those nations discover, as an example, refrigeration earlier since the same circumstances still existed back then? Or Did their IQ’s increase as compared to their ancestors? And if the IQ’S were always similar, why did the ancestors not discover the modern technological feats of today back then? When other ancients civilisations were at advanced stages, why was the western civilisation still backward as the ancestors still had the same IQ if indeed it’s hereditary? What did hinder them?

    The simple truth is very clear. Take a child from primitive tribe and raise him from birth in whatever civilisation, and they will be a functioning member of that society. This is self evident to me as I am a living example. My grandfather fought for independence and was primitive by today’s standards. My father got a secondary school education while some of his siblings did not. All my Cousins are literate but not all could afford university fees. I managed to have enough funds for a degree. I moved and worked in a ‘western’ country in white collar jobs in the office. So, I am smarter than my illiterate forefathers? Am I smarter than my cousins? Did my generation IQ suddenly increase? If so, what caused it if its hereditary and not environmental? I should not be able to even use a computer or drive a car or operate machinery by reading the manual like everybody else does since I am homo erectus. I should not be able to browse the internet and get to unz and debate my superiors. I sure don’t debate with monkeys that come to the farm.

    If you stopped and used that high IQ of yours, some things are just self evident. So we are now debating which sub-saharan tribe has a higher IQ. Why when all negroes should be illiterate. How do we get negro doctors, scientists, engineers, or whatever field? That should be impossible if IQ is hereditary. Try educating chimpanzees. I give you 1,000 generations of training chimps and see if they can be doctors or teachers at the 1,000th generation.

    In conclusion, negroes are right now in general having lower IQ’s. Fact. Is it as it was 50 years ago? Yes and No. Those exhibiting higher IQ have access to modern means of living while those without are still stuck back there. Are those negroes living modern lives rising to match other’s “races” IQ’s? Ask the UK 12 year old IQ test outcome. So, your IQ is so high till it can’t figure out the cause of rising IQ in blacks? And I am the stupid one? Ok

    But I know the real reason. Muh supremacy, muh superiority, muh racism. What to do about all that hate? Does it not tire you? How can someone live like that? That is beyond my IQ, I admit. End of rant and have a nice nice time. Let not my low IQ stumble you.

    • Replies: @taylorseries
  230. Chinaman says:
    @would smashionalist

    Genocidal wars have happened throughout human history and you can read that history in the part of YOUR DNA which came from neanderthal and Central Asia. They are indeed too hardcore for the average person to accept, especially one who have been a benefactor of those genocidal wars.

    Yes, I am an outliner so don’t take me too seriously. However, because of the western media have been pushing the Uighur “genocide” hoax, there have been lot of discussion about the genocide of native Indian and Tasmanian Aboriginals in Chinese media. Since you guys just “ whitewash” that bloody history, may be it is time we teach it properly in our schools.

    Imperialism is the father of Chinese nationalism. Racism and White supremacy its mother. Don’t blame the children. There would never have been Chinese Nationalism if there was no British pushing opium into China or America invading Korea. ( it was Han Chauvinism before that…) The Chinese was busy enough fighting amongst ourselves before white people came to our shores.

    Oedipus’s journey just begun and we will have our revenge. You haven’t seen nothing yet of what a powerful and rich China can do. We don’t hate you but it is time you know your PLACE in the racial hierarchy. You guys already had 400 years of fun. It is our turn.

    • Agree: xcd
    • Replies: @thotmonger
    , @Adûnâi
  231. “A race is a subspecies. Race goes beyond just skin color. Google some pictures of African albinos. And you would have to be insane to think that evolution stops at the shoulders.”

    I will forego th change in subject. The premise is broken. That’s the end game. The premise regarding skin color, even you want dance around the attempt to fill in the blanks that skin color is not skin deep, to avoid the obvious fallacy. I’ll just pay your dance.

    The premise that skin color and a what it represents in terms of the human species is a factor in intelligence, learning and adaptation has been proven incorrect. It’s that simple. And it is demonstrated incorrect by the very advocates who claim it. Whether one wants to venture into the overly complex machinations to hide the skin color game with waltzes into blacks being inhuman or not a human as . . .

    bottom line the premise is not correct.

    As for evolution, Laugh. I think you mean adaptation. There is not record of any creature involving into a new or different species. Humankind has a unique genetic code and that has not changed despite changes in adaptive mechanisms. As far as I am concerned Darwin concedes the point when he responds to critics to prove his hypothesis false – a classic fallacious argument.

    At rate, it’s simple and the examples presented, even by noted advocates demonstrate that the color model is incorrect.

  232. Ponder says:
    @Chinaman

    Why are you dodging the main question? What circumstances changed? Dare you to accept that had the west not embraced China and supported China, you would still be backwards despite you have had your high IQ forever? Accept the obvious, without the west embracing China, you would be like a North Korea. I don’t like lies no matter who tells them. Just like I don’t accept those who say China’s success is sorely because of the west, like there is no Chinese input. Both are wrong. The truth is that both were instrumental to China’s success. And one without the other would not produce what we have today. So, I acknowledge that some nations can hinder and even downright destroy others or they can help others to attain greatness, which many here pretend that that is not the case.

    If western missionaries never came to Africa, most would be illiterate but as history and even scriptures show, not all negroes were illiterate. Why should I belittle or lie about that truth? Check out one of the richest persons to have ever lived —- Mansa Musa. Find out what happened when he decided to go for a pilgrimage to Mecca. We all would get along much better if we gave up our petty grandiosity and accepted what the human race is regardless of skin colour or IQ tests or differences in various abilities etc. Each is unique and different just like our fingerprints or genetic makeup is, and yet we are but human beings. Each is endowed with certain abilities and gifts and makeup that make them who they are. There will never be two identical human beings no matter how similar they may be even to identical twins, and yet we are all human. What matters is how you live and how you relate to your fellow man.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  233. @Peter Frost

    We already had a long back and forth on your puzzling inability to understand that table.

    It’s a small sample of TOTALLY DIFFERENT students in each of those years from one area in London.

    You keep working on the assumption that it is the same students taking the GCSE in different years, which would make the swings harder to explain. If it is DIFFERENT students, the explanation is easy: in some years there may be many more recent immigrants than in others — and Strand et al have already shown that recency of arrival is a big problem on performance on GCSEs, and ethnic groups are not equal in their numbers of recents.

    Which is why we decided to look at the more NATIONAL samples (from Strand et al) and no such swings were seen at all: not even from 4th grade to 11th grade. Yoruba had approximately same pass rate nationally in fourth grade and in 11th grade. As did Igbo.

    https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/23323/EAL_and_educational_achievement2.pdf?sequence=1

    Below was my last post to you in that exchange when I really became frustrated that you totally failed to understand the mistake you were making in reading that table, which led you to the conclusion that the Africans were just cheating and you just went ahead and blogged about it to your gullible readers!

    Chanda Chisala says: • Website
    December 7, 2019 at 10:36 pm GMT • 1.3 years ago • 500 Words ↑

    @Peter Frost: The Yoruba students are more numerous than most of the other ethnic groups, so a greater proportion of them might be the same individuals.

    What is wrong with you? It CANNOT BE THE SAME YORUBA INDIVIDUALS *to any degree*, even if the Yoruba WERE 100 PERCENT OF THAT SAMPLE IN EVERY YEAR, because the GCSEs are some kind of A HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION TEST. You sit for it around the age of 16 (NOT EVERY YEAR), and move on to A-levels etc. By DEFINITON, those CANNOT BE THE SAME STUDENTS IN EVERY YEAR – NOT EVEN 1 % of the same individuals; it’s *new people*: thus, the following year can theoretically have ONLY new Yoruba immigrants and the previous year zero new immigrants – resulting in very wide swings on pass rates.

    @Peter Frost: a greater proportion of them might be the same individuals. But I don’t know and, more importantly, you don’t know.

    I do know, and *so would you* if you just took some time to familiarize yourself with the GCSE system.

    For anyone else reading this and baffled by this exchange, Frost is “rightly” suspicious that a group of individuals who had a 30% pass rate in one year could have a 60+% pass rate the next year. But that is only because he thinks the GCSEs are done as some sort of end of year test in every grade with the same individuals! And since he decided that, it has been impossible for me to unclog that picture from his mind!

    What is frustrating is the number of academics and bloggers (like Welton) who write with such bold authority on this issue without first familiarizing themselves with the basic facts on how things actually work, as I’ve repeatedly emphasized. And people who trust their expertise take their misinformed analyses and spread them widely all over the blogosphere and Twittersphere!

    Some years ago Frost clearly said that if we take the Igbos out of the UK, these impressive African pass rates *on the GCSEs* will disappear because it is the Igbo in Ghana, etc who are performing so well on these tests. That’s because he did not know that the Igbos are only around 1 percent of the African students and THEY ARE NOT part of any nation besides Nigeria.

    Instead of admitting that he was wrong just as a matter of deduction based on *wrong information,* he now says he only regrets accepting the cognitive validity of the GCSEs as he now sees the light — based on his new incorrigible misunderstanding of who sits for the GCSEs when – and has now pivoted to pervasive African “cheating” as the only logical explanation for the wide swings on GCSE performance when we have small samples! (He even builds some “evidence” by showing that Nigerian students IN NIGERIA cheat more than British whites in the UK — obviously because he can’t find any papers about Nigerian students IN THE UK.)

    [For anyone interested in the facts, here is how GCSEs work – they are one-time tests in senior level, not annual per-grade tests:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Certificate_of_Secondary_Education ]

    https://www.unz.com/article/reply-to-lance-welton-why-do-blacks-outperform-whites-in-uk-schools/?showcomments#comment-3597063

    • Replies: @FvS
    , @RSDB
  234. Marckus says:
    @Ponder

    Blacks in the West Indies and in Africa did well academically under Colonial rule ie the WHITE MAN.

    Those who came to the US outshone black americans in the classroom and work force. Unfortunately, and this is the cross of the parents of these children, their kids wanted to be like black americans.

    Hence, school work was bullshit and hanging with the Bros at the Mall was cool. Now I understand Math is designated a racial subject.

    The black man needs to understand that a lack of education is a millstone around his neck. The poor education system aside, he needs to educate himself by whatever means following the traditional teaching methods.

    The majority will not do so because it is UNCOOL and Uncle Tom. Hence they fall on the scrap heap.

    • Replies: @Ponder
  235. Marckus says:
    @the fat controller

    Well congratulations and if you engage experts to look after the areas in which you are not expert you will do very well. This is the path of the prudent man !

  236. Ponder says:
    @Marckus

    I agree with what you write about blacks and their attitude to education. Africans do better than African-Americans — attitude wise to education —– since that is the only way for most to get out of poverty.

    But that is a totally different conversation. I find it interesting that negroes are berated as inferior and being low IQ and then at the same time demonized for not striving to have a high IQ. Just give us the truth: Humans including negroes can function in society because we are all capable of learning. Excepted, of course, those with disabilities. You cannot say negroes are born stupid and IQ is hereditary only and then turn around and say they can learn.

    So, let’s put this to rest and accept that intelligence is both hereditary and acquired. That African-Americans and Whites have a beef with each other, is common knowledge. How to solve it is another matter, since truth and reconciliation is off the table.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  237. Chinaman says:
    @Ponder

    Dare you to accept that had the west not embraced China and supported China, you would still be backwards despite you have had your high IQ forever?

    You should read “ Why the west rules?” Or the Great Divergence for some perspective. Backwards? Perhaps.

    Don’t know when did you get this romantic idea but the West have never embraced China…

    • Replies: @Ponder
  238. Peter Frost says: • Website

    Please don’t upper-case me to death. There is such a thing as a legitimate difference of opinion. Let me address your criticisms point by point:

    First, we cannot draw any conclusions from the GCSE. There is an element of personal gain that inevitably leads to cheating. In West Africa, cheating on exams is so widespread that extraordinary measures are taken to limit it. Such measures are not taken in the UK. Please see:

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/12/not-what-you-think.html

    Second, I agree that the GCSE results cannot be used as a longitudinal study. For the most part, the students are different from one year to the next. Some aren’t (some students have to take the exam a second time), but I’m not going to get into a heated argument, especially since the point is irrelevant.

    Third, I agree that the results become less volatile if we exclude recent arrivals. So we’re left with the question: Is this because of language problems? Or is this because of unfamiliarity with the exam system? Language doesn’t seem to be a deciding factor: “adjustment for student background makes little difference to the relative language group gaps. Yoruba and Igbo speakers still achieve slightly higher scores than English first language” (Strand et al. 2015, p. 76).

    This is why I attach so much importance to the data from 2009 to 2011: they show a rapid rise in GCSE results over a period of only three years. Such rapid gains are explained by a combination of coaching and “other forms of assistance.” It seems to me that the GCSE — by its very nature — can never be as reliable as a standard IQ test. The element of personal gain is too strong.

    Finally, I’m not saying that all talented West Africans are Igbo. I’m saying that a disproportionate number are. This entire argument comes down to the issue of proportion. Yes, there are talented individuals everywhere, but what is their proportion of the entire population?

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
  239. FvS says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    There are 80 million Yoruba and Igbo in Nigeria, and there is no meaningful genetic difference between Yoruba and Igbo. There are about 220,000 Nigerians (mostly Igbo and Yoruba) in the UK, a population that has grown over decades. Since education is one of the primary reasons that Nigerians leave, most of these new immigrants are going to be from right tail of the distribution. Can you say selection bias?

    Also, I hope you’re against Nigerian emigration to the UK due to the negative effects that brain drain is having on Nigeria. The country needs all the help it can get.

  240. @FvS

    How are you defining subspecies? One subspecies definition defines subspecies as an allopatric/ geographically isolated population – humans don’t have any unless you only consider populations like the Andamanese peoples.

    • Replies: @FvS
  241. Anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    “Blacks have a great sense of playfulness, which in itself is a mark of intelligence.
    On the other hand, East Asians, bearers of the highest IQ on average, lack this sense of playfulness (gambling doesn’t count) which results in the known fact their high combinatory intelligence lacks ‘generating’ power, so to say.”

    My dog loves to play, but I don’t trust that he has enough intelligence to not run out in front of a car.

    “On the other hand, East Asians, bearers of the highest IQ on average, lack this sense of playfulness (gambling doesn’t count) which results in the known fact their high combinatory intelligence lacks ‘generating’ power, so to say.”

    A statement that definitely has no truth in it. I live around a lot of East Asians and their kids love to play with each other and their parents love to play with their kids. The no fun Asians that you have been exposed to are probably struggling to make a living which doesn’t leave much time for fun. Once Asians are established, they have lots of time for fun.

    If Poland is allowing negroes to become MP’s, they are doomed like the rest of white countries that have given in to large scale brown and black immigration.

    • Replies: @bronek
  242. kemerd says:
    @canspeccy

    That is I think what explains the problem with many US Americans. They are too much occupied with this IQ nonsense while ignoring a lot more important tenets for success for challenging fields of science: diligence, hard-work, patience.

    IQ is perhaps useful to distinguish people who are retarded but then nobody needs a test for this: just look in the eyes and 2 minutes of conversation is enough. Same is true for really smart people: they tend to do well in math and other abstract fields if given opportunity

    The question is if a person becomes a theoretical physicist who cares about his IQ? You just say he is smart and move on to subjects that matter like what is his contribution to the science

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  243. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @acementhead

    I was being sarcastic also but you obviously didn’t get it.

  244. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chimps-outplay-humans-in-brain-games1/

    “In a recent study by psychologists Colin Camerer and Tetsuro Matsuzawa, chimps and humans played a strategy game – and unexpectedly, the chimps outplayed the humans.”

    I wonder how those chimps do at Scrabble? 😉

  245. @Ponder

    “Are those negroes living modern lives rising to match other’s “races” IQ’s? Ask the UK 12 year old IQ test outcome. So, your IQ is so high till it can’t figure out the cause of rising IQ in blacks? And I am the stupid one? Ok”

    What “12 year old IQ test outcome?” You mean GCSE data from highly non-representative samples of black africans who immigrated to the UK? And why aren’t US blacks who are undoubtedly “living modern lives” converging to White IQ? Again, the difference between US and UK black outcome is due to the fact that UK blacks are non-representative of the overall black african population (the brain drain effect) and GCSE data is a poor proxy for IQ.

    • Replies: @Ponder
    , @Donald A Thomson
  246. gregor says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    The Toma 2014 paper says,

    The game of chess has served as an important model for understanding the cognitive abilities of experts. Few studies outside of this domain, however, have utilized nationally ranked experts to research the domain-specific knowledge associated with elite performance.

    This would seem to imply that the literature on Scrabble is pretty thin.

    They had a sample of 26 Scrabble players with an average rating of 1755 (range 1520-2052). The average SAT scores for these players were 657 verbal and 751 math, for a total of 1408. Presumably the players in this sample are mostly non-black Americans. They do not report how correlated IQ or SAT scores are with Scrabble ratings, i.e., how well IQ distinguishes between say an 1800 player and 2000 player. (Some of the literature on expertise seems to downplay natural ability, likely for ideological reasons. Like Malcolm Gladwell’s 10,000 hours thing). I have already given a citation showing that people with IQs around 110-115 can achieve 2200 level chess expertise.

    The weakness with the argument here is the sequence of leaps. You assume Scrabble players have way higher intelligence than the students at selective schools simply because they score higher on a battery of tests that play specifically to their strengths. Even though the SAT scores are similar. Then you assume that Nigerian players with similar Scrabble ratings must have IQs in range with this, i.e., that E(IQ|rating) is the same for all countries. Therefore the conclusion is that these Nigerian Scrabble players must have IQs in the 150 range. Even though we have NO data on the IQs of Nigerian Scrabble players and even though chess grandmasters are probably not even this high. This is a fragile chain of assumptions that could be wrong at any of several points. And after all of that it’s still not clear to me what this is supposed to prove exactly regarding black IQ.

    I also analyzed it on assumption that it is 145. Still doesn’t work. Or even all the way down to 130, see Ron’s post above (it still doesn’t work).

    I’m not exactly sure what is meant by “it still doesn’t work.” By definition, about 1 in 44 whites will have IQ of 130+. Globally, there seem to be at least *some* blacks in this range. But it’s relatively rare. In the USA, blacks are about 12-13% of the population but will tend to be maybe 1% in high IQ domains in the absence of aggressive racial preferences as is done in medical and law schools. With law for example, the number of blacks scoring above 170 on the LSAT (typical for schools like Harvard) is very low, perhaps only around 10 per year (based on the reported mean and standard deviation). And anecdotally a fair number of these seem to be part-white and/or foreign born (e.g. Obama). Schools have to take lower scoring students to fill their black quota and we see this reflected in the bar exam pass rates which are considerably lower for blacks.

  247. RSDB says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    OT, but, Mr. Chisala, have you read UR columnist Anatoly Karlin’s comment on your article?

    Mr. Karlin’s response:

    To get really good at Scrabble, you have to grind at it.

    Sure, you can do that. Requirements are simple. As Chanda Chisala says, you only need a dictionary. You don’t need a gaming PC or good Internet (or any Internet). And malnutrition impinges least on precisely verbal IQ, which is convenient. As is having a billion people.

    But what’s the point, when you have many other other interesting opportunities to gain money, status, or just enjoy life at its own pace?

    The highest density of chess grandmasters is to be found in the Balkans. They, and East Europeans, also do very well in the International Math Olympiad and in programming competitions. (But in the one survey of Computer Science grad skills, Americans came out ahead of Russians and Chinese).

    Does this mean that they are unusually smart? Much smarter than, say, PISA scores would suggest?

    Or does this mean that high IQ denizens of developed countries have far better things to occupy their time with?

    If we assume, for the sake of argument, that the “canonical IQ” theory is true except that measures for African countries are inaccurate, what would be the minimum correct estimates for, say, Nigeria, Gabon, Cote d’Ivoire, etc. that would make their Scrabble results explicable?

    Sorry if this question is ill-framed; I’m not very knowledgeable in this field.

    Thanks for the article; it is very well worth reading.

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
  248. @Wyatt

    Are you the same Wyatt who used to admin the Rightpedia and Metapedia Wikis?
    https://dramatica.online/index.php?title=Wyatt

  249. Farquad says:

    Games like scrabble have a limited range of fixed rules. There are no opportunities or benefits for invention or creativity. Any game that can be played by a computer requires no real intelligence at all.

    IQ tests measure (maybe) one’s likelihood of success in a western society. Maybe useful in some circumstances, but meaningless for others.

    If you want to see the characteristics of the various races, look to history and see what they’ve accomplished in the fullness of time. Blacks built, invented and created little compared to white and Asian societies, which is not a judgement of value so much as an observation. The races are simply different, and that difference is why blacks as a group have consistently failed in western society, and will continue to do so regardless of their ability to play scrabble. And why their presence is not a net benefit for the west.

  250. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:

    Just as a reminder, here is what Chanda had to say in a rhetorical flourish on what is totally impossible if his arguments are valid:

    What if we have a study that directly finds less genes for education in Blacks even if they start showing higher educational achievements than Whites in the same environment? You might as well report finding that Jamaicans have the lowest number of alleles for running fast and expect common sense to trust your impeccable methodology

    Keep that in mind. Chisala said that the above analogy is impossible and ludicrous, if his arguments are valid.

    So, please turn to page 115 of James ‘Jim’ Flynn’s book ‘What is Intelligence‘ and the chapter ‘Chinese Americans and Obsolete Norms‘.

    At the beginning of the chapter he sets the scene by describing how Asians had a major overrepresentation in top American universities.

    He then stated the explanation of the day:

    The obvious explanation of why Asian Americans did so well was that they were smarter; and this view seemed vindicated by [Richard] Vernon’s great book, ‘The Abilities and Achievements of Orientals in North America’, which was published in 1982“.

    Flynn explains that Vernon was impressed by contemporary studies which put Chinese American verbal IQ at 97, or a little below the white average, but non-verbal IQ at 110, or well above the white average (on page 116).

    Flynn was able to determine what studies Vernon must have been basing his findings on, which were:

    Jensen’s testing of children from San Francisco’s Chinatown, done in 1975” (which used the Lorge-Thorndike Intelligence test); and

    “…a study by Jensen and Inouye of children in the Berkely, California, public schools, which gave oriental children (more Chinese than Japanese) very high Lorge-Thorndike IQs“.

    What Flynn than formulates his finding (a critical finding, which every intelligence expert who isn’t a complete Shyster must know), on page 117, which concludes as follows:

    A review of sixteen studies done from 1938 to 1985 and involving 11,373 subjects showed that my suspicions were correct. When IQs were adjusted against norms set by contemporary [not succeeded] white controls, the means [for Chinese] fell to no higher than 97 for verbal IQ (here Vernon had been correct) and 100 for non-verbal IQ, the latter no higher than whites“.

    So first, Chinese people have lower IQs, than whites, on average, according to Jim Flynn, if you correct for the norming issue.

    But wait! Donner and Blitzen! Isn’t it true that Chinese have performed well in the United States despite having that lower verbal IQ?

    Flynn than went on to outline his fricken seminal study of the graduating class of Chinese Americans of 1966, in his chapter called ‘1966’ on page 118.

    He culminates with this quote:

    …Chinese Americans had mimicked a subgroup of the white population with a mean IQ of almost 120, which was 21 points above their actual mean [of 99, for the Chinese class of 66]. In 1980, the Chinese members of the class had incomes 20 percent about their white contemporaries“.

    So what do we have here? Well, here is what we have here:

    A study that directly finds less genes for education in Blacks[Delete] [insert] Chinese even if they start showing higher educational achievements than Whites in the same environment.

    What Chanda said was impossible, not only exists, it’s one of the seminal studies in the field, and he clearly hadn’t read it at the time of my earlier comment, despite holding himself out as the King David of the neaveau black intelligentsia. It’s an absolute joke.

    I cannot stress enough, how utterly pathetic and revealing that comment from Chanda is. The ‘Jamaican’ sprinters huh.

    The Jamaican sprinters with a lower number of alleles for running fast, or so to say, the Nigerian GSCE test takers, with a lower number of alleles for achieving high results, who are the Chinese Americans. Subject of all these formal studies, someone didn’t read, and apparently still hasn’t read.

    You know, that tiny group of millions and millions of people who are called ‘Chinese Americans’. That Chanda clearly didn’t know existed, and disprove the core premise of his argument. That it is impossible to have better intelligence outcomes from a lower base of genetic intelligence, or to be a better sprinter from a lower base of genetics for sprinting.

    That statement he made was meant to be a mike-drop, on all you inferior wypipo, who are the reason Africa isn’t a literal Wakanda.

    What it actually does is reveal Chanda’s ignorance. I’ll reduce the scope of my assessment of Chanda’s ignorance, and moderate it. But that ignorance magnitude is quite high.

    As was said in a previous article, you can easily explain the marks of those black people in England, without departing one single iota from the conventional Heredity model that Chanda says is nonsensical and wrong.

    Due to:
    the norming issue, which still apparently hasn’t been resolved;
    the need to otherwise account for Flynn’s findings about Chinese Americans, and account for his conscientiousness factor, which show people with lesser IQ’s can achieve better academic results.
    Establish when those different races of peoples arrived in England, so as to know which cohorts may have, or have not, reverted to the mean.

    If pass rates are constant from 4th grade to 11th grade, lets see if there is the same apparent cultural effect as is apparent for African Americans when pass rates and IQ measures suddenly dip in maturity due to a negative cultural factor.

    Chanda may yet prove that African American travails are entirely their own fault and due to their inferior culture we are all forced to propound as utterly superior.

    Lol Strand et al:

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    16.2% of primary school students had English as an additional language in 2013. That is unreal.

    Isn’t the association here with EAL (English as an Additional Language) not recent arrival? They say (page 6):

    We conclude that where English may not be the main language of the home this may be associated with lower achievement on starting school, but that this effect reduces markedly with age and is largely eliminated by age 16.”

    But that’s strange. Chanda says that Yoruba pass rates are constant from year 4 – year 11. The Strand paper is on the association between academic performance and EAL proficiency. If EAL proficiency improves over time – why haven’t the Yoruba marks gone up, as their EAL proficiency has gone up over time?

    Is this the correct paper Chanda, or is there another Strand paper? Because those constant pass rates don’t follow from the findings of the Strand paper linked.

    That’s emphasised again, and again, i.e. here (page 8): https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/23323/EAL_and_educational_achievement2.pdf?sequence=1 (this is the paper I’m reading)

    International arrival during the key stage: Arriving in the English education system
    during KS2 (as proxied by the absence of a KS1 test score) was much more common
    for EAL students (15%) than FLE students (2%). Also it had a very large association
    with achievement for EAL students but no association for FLE students. The average
    EAL student with no prior attainment score achieved a KS2 score 12 NC months
    below an EAL student with a prior attainment score, while among FLE students the
    impact on KS2 score was negligible.

    But hold on, doesn’t KS2 fit in the period of year 4 to year 11? Or is it outside? I don’t know, I’m American. But if there is a very large association between EAL and achievement, why do Yoruba pass rates remain constant? If there is a year with less or more recent arrivals, shouldn’t there be achievement fluctuations?

    Again:

    Age: Younger students tended to achieve lower scores than older students with a 2
    NC months’ difference in achievement across a 6-month age range.

    First the variation in Yoruba results were bizarre. Now it’s the constancy of the results. Why aren’t older Yoruba students getting a higher pass rate then younger students? It shouldn’t matter if it’s different students sitting tests if we are getting a representative sample of Yoruba at each level of age. There should be variation, if this EAL-Achievement link is valid, and Strand et al are correct. Older students should be benefiting from age, according to Strand.

    I enjoy how these cultural marxist academics say that FLE students will suffer no harm from being shackled to EAL students, having said there is very little research except a US study that proves it is harmful. Of course, they say any harm is really all due to class, i.e. ‘student background’. What nonsense. I’d love to see the basis for their stupid, wrong findings.

    Okay, so here is the stuff on Age of arrival in the UK on page 10.

    EAL students with English as their main language who were born in the UK or arrived
    before age 5 do not differ significantly in achievement at age 14 from English only
    speakers. However, those who have more recently entered the UK (age 5-14) have
    significantly lower scores than English only speakers.

    So why are the Yoruba results constant at every level of age? Why aren’t the ones who entered before age 5 doing better? There must be years where more kids invade Britain under the age of 5 relative to other years?

    In contrast, EAL-Other-main students achieve significantly lower scores at age 14
    than both English only and EAL-English-Main groups, regardless of when they arrived
    in the UK. The gap is large (around 0.50 SD) for UK born and those who entered the
    UK age 0-10, but even larger (-1.0 SD) for those who have very recently entered the
    UK age 11-14.

    Again, no Yoruba variation? How is this possible? There are no Yoruba who are EAL-English-Main as opposed to EAL-Other-main?

    Ah, here we go, go to page 11.

    Within the White Other ethnic group, there were minimal differences between English,
    Russian, Spanish, French and Italian speakers, but Lithuanian, Polish and Albanian
    speakers were about 4 NC months behind, and Romanian, Turkish and Portuguese
    speakers about 7 NC months behind the White Other English speakers. At KS4,
    Spanish, Russian and Italian speakers did better than English speakers, while Slovak,
    Lithuanian, Romanian and Latvian speakers did significantly less well than White
    Other English speakers.

    Within the Black African ethnic group, at KS2 Igbo and Yoruba speakers achieve as
    well as English speakers, but French and Arabic speakers are 4 NC months behind,
    Lingala speakers 6 NC months behind and Portuguese speakers 8 NC months behind
    the Black African English speakers, with the later two groups actually lower than Black
    Caribbean students. At KS4, again Igbo and Yoruba speakers are doing as well or
    better than English speakers, but Somali and Lingala speakers are 16 Best 8 points
    behind and Portuguese speakers 24 points behind the Black African English
    speakers, and again lower than Black Caribbean students.

    So why is Chanda telling us that the EAL-achievement link is based on an IQ mechanic, when this data suggests it’s a language property mechanic?

    Are Turkish people really stupid relative to Albanians? Or is there some similarity between Turkish and English which makes EAL easier to pick up for Turks relative to Albanians?

    The study authors didn’t think about this either – because they’re just another set of cultural marxist reductionists who reduce everything to ethnic equality, characterised by contradictory ethnic disadvantage, and/or class:

    These differences were robust with respect to control for socio-economic deprivation
    and other student background variables. The results suggest first language can be an
    important additional piece of information when used in conjunction with ethnicity in
    identifying groups at risk of low attainment and poor progress.

    So if we’ve controlled for other variables, why aren’t we testing language relationships to English? This whole relationship is based on languages, and as we find out, not even English proficiency, lol.

    What is this on page 11:

    The definition of EAL used in the NPD reflects exposure to a language other than English at
    home or in the community; it gives no indication of a student’s proficiency in the English
    language
    .

    So EAL is a useless proxy measure then? What, the fuck. EAL doesn’t mean language proficiency. It just means exposure to another language. That is an monumental assumption they are making here – wouldn’t kids exposed to other languages actually be better at languages generally? So why is it a disadvantage to be EAL status, if it doesn’t even fucking mean ‘not good at English’.

    It is reassuring that where EAL students have attended English schools for the whole of a
    key stage they make greater progress than FLE students, and indeed that by age 16 they
    have caught up with their FLE peers. However, such progress reflects a long history of
    considerable additional funding being directed to address language learning needs, first in
    the form of Section 11 of the 1966 Local Government Act and then from 1999 through the
    Ethnic Minority Achievement Grant (EMAG)

    So these cultural marxists say there is no evidence forcing FLE students to subsist with EAL students negatively impacts the FLE students’ education. But what it does is redirect enormous amounts of funding that could go to the FLE students instead. So it actually does negatively impact their education.

    What a joke.

    Part 6 presents an analysis of another dataset, the LSYPE, to explore the association of
    place of birth and date of arrival in the UK with attainment. Congruent with earlier analyses
    this indicates that the White Other and Black African ethnic groups show particularly large
    variation between the achievement of EAL and FLE students. Analyses are therefore
    reported that compared the performance of students with different first languages within
    these two ethnic groups. Within each ethnic group we identify the top 10 non-English first
    languages and compare the attainment of these students with English speakers at both KS2
    (average point scores) and KS4 (Best 8 points score). We also adjust results for socioeconomic deprivation and other student background variables.

    So this is the money part for anyone who wants to tests Chanda’s theories, but I’ve seen enough.

    There is nothing in this study which actually evidences a link between EAL and achievement based on a mechanic of IQ/and/or race. Nothing.

    It could just as easily be properties of languages and their relationship to English. That’s evidenced by all the variation among different ethnicities who speak different languages. There is no analysis whatsoever of that link, and the authors have been too stupid to even recognize the possibility. Or to be fair to them, perhaps they do not realize their study is being used for racial politics by Chanda.

    A factor related to but distinct from fluency in English is recency of arrival in the UK. A recent
    publication (OECD, 2013) based on PISA data reports that late arriving students from less developed countries where the mother tongue differs from the language of instruction suffer
    the greatest disadvantage in reading performance.2
    The NPD is limited in a number of ways, one of which is that it does not include data on student’s age of arrival in the UK. However, the Longitudinal Study of Young People in England (LSYPE) does include data on the young person’s place of birth and, if not the UK, their date of arrival in the UK. We will analyse the LSYPE to address recency of entry to the UK, along with ethnicity and EAL, in relation to educational achievement in Englan
    d. (page 15)

    So this is interesting.

    You could use this data to test if there is a reversion to the mean – which actually could exist within those existing results, whereon the students being beaten by newer arrivals have reverted to their respective national means.

    I.e. reversion to the mean can still be an explanation for newer immigrants to the UK beating the children of older immigrant populations, like say, the Igbo beating Chinese.

    Lol, look at the pace of the invasion. In 1997 7.6% EAL, in 2013, not even 20 years later, 16.2%, and actually 26.6% of students are ‘ethnic minorities’ (page 19). And this is for 2013. So add 0.5 to everything.

    Why do ethnic majorities who are invading an ethnic minority not seem to understand that their mere presence can have a deleterious effect on the ethnic minorities in their own countries? They certainly are able to espy such an effect in relation to their own countries. Why does the finding of the authors not apply to say, whites who go elsewhere? Interesting.

    Another notable feature of the data is the strong difference in results for reading and
    mathematics. EAL students’ scores in maths assessments are always higher than their
    scores in reading assessments at every age. With respect to maths the gap is large at
    age 5 (OR=0.67) and age 7 (OR=0.76) but decreases substantially by age 11 (OR=0.90)
    and disappears completely by age 16 (OR=1.03).

    Does this at least, hold for newly arrived Yoruba? That complicates things. Again, why the constancy?

    As always with all the things that Chanda says, or posts, what he concludes often does not follow from the source material he refers us lesser beings to.

    That Strand, Malmberg, Hall study from 2015 doesn’t actually serve as a legitimate basis for anything except more questions.

    If before the Yoruba marks were and are highly questionable due to variation, why is it that now there is no variation when there should be substantial variation according to this study? The percentage of GSCE pass rates should be fucking changing, according to all the so-called factors that we’re told have been established by this study to explain the change for that earlier sample of Yoruba.

    How can this Strand study be used to explain massive over-variation in one sample of Yoruba, but also zero variation in another larger sample, of Yoruba?

    It can’t – it’s impossible.

    Therefore, there will be some other monumental error in Chanda’s premises, like his assumption that it is totally impossible for there ever to be a group with higher achievement and lower genetic base for said achievement. Which is wrong – and which nullifies ‘almost’ everything he says until he has accounted for it.

    If lower genetic intelligence can achieve higher university marks, why not scrabble? Maybe white people just need to start understanding the world they’re in, and the real nature of the Chandas/SwankNastYs of this world, and start focusing because they will beat Chinese and Igbo with lesser genes for intelligence if they just try harder, and engage in the same unethical nepotistic behaviours. Oh wait, they can’t do the latter, because the immigrants have made it illegal to do so, solely in the case of whites, opps. And even if if isn’t outright illegal, anything legal like voting for their preferred candidate will simply be nullified by election fraud, court recusals and foreign espionage and subversion. Fun times. Oh well, conflict is the air we breathe, the water we drink, the land on which we now have been forced to stand.

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  251. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    This is why my ventures are going to succeed, because I am a superior analyst & frankly superior to every commenter and author on the Unz Review who repeat the same refrains over and over and over. I am literally just thinking out loud, and it’s only been about 2 hours, maybe less, thinking about this issue.

    You know what? That very suspicious constancy in these Yoruba actually, despite all the factors Strand and his buddies state make that constancy impossible, must be because they are being given a pass-rate quota.

    A pass-rate quota from the cultural marxists and socialists and pedagogists and Judeo-English educational establishment trying to replace or re-engineer the white English population and dispel the possibility of Flynn’s findings.

    Okay? It has to be.

    We’re told there are all these factors of variation that explain the variation in GSCE pass rates for that smaller sample of Yoruba.

    Namely, the impossible variation from 38%-69% in a single year, we are told has occurred because it’s different students who arrived at different times to England taking GSCE exams. That’s why there is such wild variation. So arriving at different times in England and therefore having a different magnitude of EAL, whatever the fuck that’s defined as, is a factor that leads to wild variation in GSCE performance across different groups of Yoruba kids. Okay, fine and dandy, Peter Frost can accept that.

    But then, oh… but then.

    But wait!

    We’re then told that a much larger sample of different groups of Yoruba kids all have a constant rate of GSCE passes over a much longer period of time. Because Chanda in this thread has stated this:

    Which is why we decided to look at the more NATIONAL samples (from Strand et al) and no such swings were seen at all: not even from 4th grade to 11th grade. Yoruba had approximately same pass rate nationally in fourth grade and in 11th grade. As did Igbo.

    Another mike-drop. Daaaamnnn, boiiiiii. Aaaaeeeeee. He finna dab on dat cracker ass.

    So why in that much larger group of Yoruba kids, are there apparently no kids who arrived at different times into England?

    Are people getting it?

    The reason for the impossible variation reminiscent of cheating in the smaller Yoruba sample Chanda has said is because the kids in 2009 arrived in England later then kids in 2010. More or less. Maybe not that exact construction but he’s saying the variation is basically due to kids being in England for less or more time relative to other kids.

    Fine, I accepted that. But then I actually read Strand and friends.

    So for a much larger population of Yoruba in NATIONAL samples, no less, NATIONAL ones, to have no swings, not EVEN from 4th grade to 11th grade, they must have all arrived in England at the same time.

    But how can that be possible, if they’re all different students sitting different exams at different levels? It’s impossible. It isn’t possible.

    How is it possible that the explanation (recency of arrival) for the massive variation in that earlier sample of Yoruba is completely absent a much larger NATIONAL (mike-drop) sample of Yoruba?

    How is it that an explanatory factor for one outcome for one population, can explain the opposite outcome for the same population?

    It can’t.

    So I think Peter Frost’s level of cynicism is not only justified, it’s massively understated and needs to be expanded, like our national debts, to meet the profiles of our new invasive species in our countries. Who, try as they might, as intelligent as they claim to be, just cannot help but fuck everything up, again, and again, and again. Like Chanda.

    The only way you could have constancy of GSCE pass rates when the population is experiencing factors of variation is if there was a pass-rate quota.

    The educational establishment, in England, is giving these Yoruba affirmative action by giving them a pass-rate quota. That’s absolutely irrefutable from the data, that I’ve just analysed.

    That’s the only way. Isn’t it.

    I’m not being unfair, or racist. Chanda has said recency explains massive variation in GSCE results in a Yoruba population sample. He has also said there are no evident swings in GSCE pass rates for Yoruba in a National sample even from 4th graded to 11th grade.

    So either there isn’t any recency variation in a much larger sample of Yoruba, which is fucking impossible, or Yoruba, like all the other cheating swine aliens in the West are getting given a pass-rate quota by our friends, the Elders of Wye, and their lackies and agents.

    That must be happening.

    So thank-you, Chanda.

    Your posts have proven that African American outcomes are entirely their own fault, and they have an inferior culture.

    Chinese have lower IQ’s then white people, and cheat a lot and work hard too, to make up the difference.

    And Yoruba in England must be being given a pass-rate quota whereby their GSCE pass rates are constant over time, despite the presence of factors of variation which cannot be denied.

    Interesting. It’s so much worse out there, then you think. Every single time you look at any issue, you find the same lies, cheating, corruption, ethnocentrism, abuse and calumnies on the West.

    I cannot wait for the collapse. Because we are going to be able to just bypass this endless repository of fucking boomer stupidity and idiocy that transcends race, space, and time.

    I wonder who else is being given pass-rate quotas? The Chinese? The Bangladeshis? Can’t wait for Chanda’s next post.

  252. It’s the Igbos, not the Nigerians as a whole, and I’ve got the answer to everyone’s question.

    Yes, they are Jewish, part of the lost tribes. Next time you start tallying up that Jewish contribution, add the Igbos.

    I disagree with the author’s conclusions. He doesn’t disprove HBDers, he buttresses their hokum. Relies on the same IQ-centric model demonstrating that some subset of Bantus is being selected for their intelligence.

    Its not a question of distribution,but of size. Immigration cohort is highly selective certainly (easy to check – UK cohort vs. Nigerian national cohort ). White stupidity in the UK is not. Chavs and fat wanna-be-whore featherbrain Janes and Emilys wrapped in leotards at 2 am in the morning vomiting at a bus stop are the average that Igbo Jews are being compared to.

    With 200 million people the tail ends of Nigeria’s bell curve are still an order of a magnitude bigger than smaller populations. Your fifth percentile should be sized up to fiftieth of Chav-(en)gland.

    The UK is Woke implying that average IQis lower than Ghana’s or Madagascar’s.

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  253. Skeptikal says:
    @joe2.5

    ” any “word” in the French language, nowadays that the almost entire corpus is readily at anyone’s fingertips, would disqualify the game rather than the player.”

    Last I knew no names or proper nouns are allowed in Scrabble.
    Now, if you look in the official M-W Scrabble Dictionary you will see that you could use the word “jane” because (they say) it means “a girl.” You could not use “Mary” because it is a name, but you could use “mary jane” because it mean “marijuana.” But you would havve to place the tiles as one word on the Scrabble board, even though in the M-W standard dictionary it is two words, u.c., so hm that doesn’t really make sense . . . According to the maryjane Scrabble rule one could also use maryjanes to mean the shoes, even though that is also two words, u.c., in the M-W dictionary.
    Or, you could use “genoa” because it is a kind of sail but you cannot use “lucca.”

    Etc. You can see how Scrabble can lead to a lot of tempers getting lost!!!

    And you can memorize lists at the back of the dictionary such as “Q words not followed by U” and other such. You will see that “zzz” is a word: “used to suggest the sound of snoring.” I guess if you used zzz to mean the sound of mosquitoes it might not be allowed! (Joke, in case you missed that . . .)

    Anyhow isn’t there just one Z tile in a set of Scrabble? Now I am really getting confused.

    Scrabble maniacs who are determined to win at all costs spend their time memorizing this dictionary. Memorization definitely counts as an intellectual achievement, and maybe these memory mavens also devote some time to memorizing poems, vocabulary in new languages—or longer and more nuanced words in their own languages, words that don’t contribute anything to winning at Scrabble—that they could then actually use for some creative expression.

    But somehow I doubt it. Unless I got some evidence to the contrary I would not classify Scrabble as a measure of high intelligence; I would classify those whose goal is life is to win Scrabble games as probably some variant of idiot savant.

  254. Marckus says:
    @Ponder

    The “beef” between Afro Americans and Whites is a load. Look, Brazil imported 10 times the number of slaves as the US, about 4M if my memory serves me, but I am yet to meet a Brazilian who goes on and on about racism and calls himself Afro Brazilian. Name any other Latin American country with blacks and its the same. Is there an Afro Cuban ? An Afro Colombian ? Afro Venezuelan ?

    In my opinion, and past comments on this site in this regard seem to validate it, blacks think whites spend all day wondering how to screw with them. In fact whites are too busy with their own lives and could give a shit.

    However, this is an obsession with US Blacks. Its their self imposed cross, their burden. They dick around with their self development and then blame Whitey or seek to explain their failure as some sort of racism or state they are smart because they can play scrabble.

    They may not be born stupid but from birth they are brainwashed into believing their future lies in someone else;s hands. Hence they become stupid and by following the herd remain dumb.

    I suggest if they are looking for a culprit to blame for all their woes they should proceed to Walmart and buy a big mirror. There is no hope for them if they subscribe to a philosophy of victimisation.

    That is the truth and reconciliation will be impossible not regarding their relationship with whites but their relationship with themselves.

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  255. Marckus says:
    @Chinaman

    I agree with you. Look, put an intelligent white man in the jungle and he will have a hard time surviving. Put an Amazonian tribesman in Manhattan and the same thing.

    Yet, they are both intelligent in their environment. With some guidance, they can adapt and be intelligent and successful in other environments.

    As you point out quite correctly its the ability to learn and adapt.

    Like you, I also dont see that forward movement in Africa and hence in blacks. On the contrary, they have shifted to reverse and slammed on the accelerator.

    They refuse to understand how the world works and what it takes to adapt to reality even when they consequences are devastating.

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  256. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeshurun Tsarfat

    No, you don’t have the answer to anything.

    I have the answers – read my two posts.

    Why are people so retarded? Why?

    It’s not the totally despoiled white people on Jeremy Kyle. Actually.

    Chanda’s paper and his findings about the earlier Yoruba findings prove that a certain number of Yoruba are being passed for their GSCE’s in England every year, regardless of their performance.

    Do you idiots not understand the magnitude of this?

    How can I state things so that stupid people can understand the implications. Ron Unz gets it, and I hope he is amused. This will appeal to his Jewish instincts – actually Jews for all their subversion aren’t this blunt, they aren’t this openly profane. The Chinese and the Africans have cultural reasons that they have to be incredibly blunt – to be the big man, the Lion on the Savannah, the man with ‘Face’ handing out fortune cookies to his wards. The Indians too are blunt, they’re just a little more discreet. Perhaps due to that Anglo infusion.

    Yoruba are cheating in England, on a massive scale. Which means Igbo are as well, because their results are ‘also’ constant, despite the presence of factors of massive variation they use to explain other localized instance of cheating.

    It’s hilarious. They are cheating. The data shows that irrevocably.

    Okay?

    The Africans in England are cheating. Regardless of their results, a certain number of their children are being given a constant GSCE pass rate. Because the rate doesn’t change, when it should be changing.

    And then when it shouldn’t be changing, it’s changing – based on the same explanation.

    This is most liberating. I always knew there was something wrong in these figures, but thanks to Chanda, I now know what it is.

    We now need Chanda to give Peter Frost and everyone else who isn’t a drooling breather an explanation as to why these African populations in England can have a constant, unchanging pass-rate across all ages and across any given period in a national sample, despite factors of massive variation that affect everyone else.

    [MORE]

    But lets not be too hasty, no Bilbo, hobbitses must not be too hasty about nasty Orcs and Goblins and their nasty brutish Orcish and Goblin ways.

    No doubt we’ll find the Chinese as well, have anomalous constancies and variations, and the Indians, and everyone else. But not the white people. Because, as Peter Frost says, we are a high trust high performance people, and our trust has been abused, most fulsomely, and when the final dregs of that trust have been sucked dry, what happens next will surprise everybody.

    All these cheating nomenklatura, cheating in concert with the English establishment.

    This is the future of America – even worse then it already is, where our elections are stolen.

    Imagine an America where a certain number of Not-Americans have to be given 100% every year to defeat the bad White people.

    That already happens in the Ivy League, but imagine it at High-School, like Chanda has just proved in the case of England.

    He is now fucked.

    One of those groups of Yoruba kids is cheating. Either the smaller one with massive variation, or the larger one with no variation, trying to explain their outcomes using the same explanatory factors.

    Okay? There is no ambiguity now, not really – the Africans in England are cheating in order to obtain their constant GSCE results.

    Africans, in England, are cheaters. The Igbo and the Yoruba, and probably every other sub-group or whatever.

    And the saddest thing? It won’t matter a damn. Chanda will keep claiming the same bullshit, this will get buried, most commenters will be too stupid to understand what I’m saying, or they’ll understand and just lie to themselves, or decide ‘Truth’ depends on it’s outcomes (like Jordan Peterson) and everything will just continue on. Until that glorious moment we either enter a Brave New World in 1984 and are all liquidated and/or put in Gulags, or culled via these bogus vaccinations etc. Or we go into a horrendous conflict and somehow emerge victorious.

    Africans in England are cheating like absolute Sinners on their GSCE exams, and it’s glorious to behold. They are cheating, and Chanda cannot wiggle or weasel or voodoo his way out of it.

    Apologies, maybe ‘they’ aren’t cheating, but people are cheating on their behalf – nah, it will be cheating in concert, everyone will know, at a certain level, what is going on.

    Fucking pass-rate quotas, regardless of performance aye Chanda.

    Unreal.

    Please for the love of God, would someone out there who isn’t a dumbass just acknowledge what I’ve said, and tell me this isn’t all completely pointless.

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  257. Ponder says:
    @Chinaman

    Now you are just being dishonest. I never said it was romantic. It was for selfish reasons — to continue to exploit humanity and make more money, the western working class be damned. Yet they transferred their factories and agreed to technological transfer business deals. Sure, they thought that they would later gut China like the rest of the world, but Chinese leadership outsmarted them at their own game. Chinenese leadership knew the plan and played along while at the same time doing the right things to ensure they prosper. Then refused to open up China go financial capitalism that would surely have gutted China. Short version. Now, say it ain’t so

  258. So, Mr (Dr?) Chisala, what do you make of your analysis? That Africans aren’t as dumb as IQists say, that Nigerians are smarter than the average African? That there maybe is intelligence Dark Matter not measured by IQ test that Nigerians have? That the whole IQ edifice is over generalized?

    I’ve always been uncomfortable with testing Africans with a pen-and-paper IQ test – that’s not the world most Africans live in – but, the IQ edifice is pretty strong. Could it might have places it could stretch or be refined? Would be interesting if you have any theories. edit: re-reading a bit, it looks like you’re just raising doubts, which is fair.

  259. Ponder says:
    @taylorseries

    I see you didn’t read the whole document, therefore you have a position to defend and not after presented facts. And no, according to the article, it’s not GCSE data but 12 year old African children growing up in the the UK education system as per the assertion. You should ask the author for source if you dispute.

    Secondly, those that migrate are not the smartest Africans but the richest. After independence, those that got power have formed political cartels that acquire wealth. So, naturally those that have money migrate. This proves even further the nurture principle in IQ and not the nature. Unless you want to say only the smartest gained power and wealth. To you, you may only be “seeing” what you read about Africa. I live in africa and I know. Those that migrate are often not on top of their classes in school but they are the wealthiest.

  260. @RSDB

    re Karlin, it sounds like his usual silly rhetoric. He doesn’t care about finding/telling the truth.

    Does this description below sound like “high IQ people” in the West “have far better things (than Scrabble) to occupy themselves with”?:

    https://www.unz.com/article/scrabble-spells-doom-for-the-racial-hypothesis-of-intelligence/#p_1_13

    To confirm the conclusion that top Scrabble players are highly intelligent individuals with exceptional mathematical talents, I looked at some academic backgrounds of the top players in Western countries (where the developed educational environment supports a much higher academic achievement correlation with such abilities). I indeed found that a disproportionately large number of the very top players have a background in math or computer science and not much in language or literature, especially as the organized competitiveness of the game has grown over the years. Economists are also quite well-represented, probably due to its heavier math component compared to the other social sciences.

    The highest rated American Scrabble player, David Wiegand, was a math major in college, and he comes from an incredibly mathematical family pedigree. His father and mother are highly distinguished math professors, as were his maternal grandparents and even his great-grandparents!

    The surprise 2016 North American Scrabble winner, David Gibson, who won the championship again after winning it twenty-two years earlier, is also a math professor.

    Joe Edley, the first person to win the American national championship three times, majored in mathematics and philosophy. Even Mack Meller, the youngest top Scrabble expert in the US, also just happened to win the national championship for the mathematical game, KenKen. Meller has been a student of a super-selective gifted program by Stanford University.

    Outside the US, the highest rated Canadian player, Adam Logan, a former world champion, is also a mathematician. He received his first degree in mathematics from Princeton and his PhD from Harvard. He was a two-time Putnam Fellow – the most distinguished mathematical achievement for undergraduate students in North American universities.

    Craig Beevers, a former world champion British player and one of the highest rated players in the world, is not a mathematician, but that’s only because he dropped out of his math program at university. His story reveals a profound level of natural giftedness in math: he could solve long multiplication problems in his head when he was still too young to start school!

    And *far less* people in Nigeria play competitive Scrabble compared to Americans, of course (even relative to their population). So, his flippant statement is easily falsified on two fronts: 1. We know that the people who play Scrabble in America are actually “high IQ denizens” (confirmed by both their profiles and actual cognitive tests — Lynn, 2017..)
    2. They are actually more involved in Scrabble than Nigerians are (numbers show).

    But he won’t care that he contradicts the facts.

    If we assume, for the sake of argument, that the “canonical IQ” theory is true except that measures for African countries are inaccurate, what would be the minimum correct estimates for, say, Nigeria, Gabon, Cote d’Ivoire, etc. that would make their Scrabble results explicable?

    It would have to be something that will not leave female white inferior performance (or white children’s inferior performance) a puzzling mystery in light of African performance, as I argued in the article. Which means, plus or minus a very small number.

    Thanks.

    • Thanks: RSDB
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  261. Ponder says:
    @Marckus

    I will respond to both this and to your reply to Chinaman #258.
    Look at your responses —– do you see the illogical in them?
    ° 1st one is your comment about the rest of African slaves in Brazil and elsewhere who behave differently to those in USA. Since they are the same people or ‘race’s what factors differentiate them? You mention some like propaganda which all races are not immune against as we all now see. But then negate that observation by returning to Gene’s or racial mumbo jumbo. Factors exists that cause divergence of behaviour. Fact. Again, that USA has a black problem is not in dispute, but that is a different Conversation to IQ or intelligence.
    ° 2nd is you agree that intelligence is being able to learn and adapt —- correct. Then you turn back and say look at Africa as a whole and conclude illogically that Africans are not intelligent. If other Africans have succeeded whether individually, that proves that Africans have intelligent ones just like whites have retarded ones. That negates it being a hereditary issue to a situational issue. Issues exist in Africa that makes them underachieve, just like China was 50 years ago as an example. That other Africans have high IQ’s negates nature argument which you agree by saying learn and adapt. You can’t have it both ways. Either Africans can learn and adapt and hence have some level of intelligence or they can’t. As an aside, africans have built civilisations that are not taught —- complex west African civilisations have existed, I mentioned Mansa Musa in this thread, pyramids are found in deep Sudan, which are never mentioned since this is a nubian country. Complex stone ruins exist in Zimbabwe depicting ancient civilisations etc
    ° 3rd no forward movement in Africa at present is not in itself a sufficient arguement for lack of intelligence. China has taken how long and by what factors? Africa just recently gained independence from whitey to fall back to the same colonialism by dictator blacks. A second liberation is needed and the west could help by freezing all those accounts by said dictators that are kept in the west— most are —and returning them back. African debt is directly proportional to looted money parked abroad. Wars for natural resources need to cease and those formenting them to stop just like middle east wars. Enough said to make my point.

  262. Ponder says:
    @Jeshurun Tsarfat

    And if igbo are Jewish, please explain why in general they are still more “stupid” than the other jews in terms of inventions and innovation? They still have no inventions to rival other jews unless of course playing scrabble is one of them. Please explain this discrepancy since they now have access to more information and education.

    If wokeness can lower an IQ, then it follows that IQ is a function of the environment and not only hereditary. No?

  263. @Chinaman

    Classic Fan Qing Fu Ming attitude. Thanks for that! Readers collate this chauvinism with all the poetic talk of the Chinese only wishing to raise all ships in Africa and elsewhere. As for the other ism bunk, Judaism branched Marxism spawned Maoism unleashed self immolation of much culture and tens of millions of unsuspecting fellow Han. Or am I wrong?

    Now into the 21st C. Do tell, did Red Dragon cut a deal with the Moshiak cult to double cross Christendom? (Good luck with that partnership.) Or how did Jin get so many high tech weapons to resemble those pioneered by USA? (USA –> IDF –> PRC??) Etc. Oh well, if Mother Nature did not bat last I still put money of Rising Sun.

    p.s. I have heard the bombing of the Erawan Temple in Bangkok was by Uyghur’s displeased with the Thai government deporting some dissidents back into Chinese hands. Makes sense.

    Final Note: In 1917 Vajiravudh, King Rama VI of Thailand (Siam) wrote a tract titled The Jews of the Orient..*. Self centered Jews think he was talking about them. (And that is where their interest tends to end.) However, the well traveled and very literate King only used the example of Jewish excesses in other countries as a segue about the Chinese threat in Thailand. In his follow up essay, Wake Up Siam! he articulates why.

    * Good luck trying to locate a copy. Ironically, if Chinese hear the expression today they take it as a compliment. While sensitive Jews get twisted out of shape. Or feign as much. Ha.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajiravudh

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  264. Meimou says:
    @Rubicon

    We have yet to read even ONE author on UNZ.com that truly understands the major fallacies of
    an “IQ Test.”
    All of those tests are based on what the creators, perceive as real intelligence. All OF THEM.

    IQ test don’t measure intelligence, they measure IQ. IQ is a proxy for intelligence.

    Let’s take the following scenario:
    A Jewish child gets mixed up at birth and he/she ends up being raised by a dirt poor family in the Ozark Mountains. That child will end up with low to medium IQ. Nothing special, another words.

    Now let’s take a Black child who is adopted by parents from a high-income family WHO nurtures
    that child from Day One in the areas of mathematics, literature, science, and written expression.
    Meaning, he’s grown up in a very dynamic, and enriching family with parents who sponsor this kind of learning from Day One. If that black child is given an “IQ Test” he’s going to score very high.

    Even if you’re right and the IQ results will change based on environment, actual intelligence will not; intelligence is based on the physical properties of the brain, the social environment will not change anything.

    Boxes lose IQ points because their brain changes, children who grow up around with lead based paint have lower IQs because the paint changes their brains, people who are deprived of oxygen can become retarded because lack of oxygen changes the brain.

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-and-iq/

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  265. I should swear less.

    But what I’ve said isn’t rhetoric. It’s dialectic, based on the papers you have tabled, and the arguments you have stated. No one else, you.

    Igbo and Yoruba in England are cheating – to dispel that dialectical conclusion, we need an explanation from you as to why Igbo and Yoruba marks are constant in national records across all ages, all succeeding cohorts and for any given period, when Igbo and Yoruba have actually been used by Strand et al 2015 as exemplars for factors of massive variation in academic performance. It’s bizarre.

    That is, despite being used as literal exemplars of experiences that lead to massive variance in academic performance, among literally dozens of other groups of people in multicultural Britain, the African academic performance remains constant. It doesn’t vary. It’s surreal – it must be cheating. If it isn’t cheating, what is it?

    Why don’t the pass rates for GSCE change according to say, differences as to when different groups of Igbo and Yoruba children arrived before age 5 across those different grade cohorts? A group of children who arrived before age 5 should have a different GSCE pass rate, or different pass-rates for the lower-level examinations and assessments, whatever they are in Britain these days, according to Strand et al 2015, then children who arrived after the age of 5. Yet, the rates, according to your own statements in this thread, are the same.

    That alone (kid arrives before/after 5), according to Strand et al 2015, is supposed to a factor with a massively significant effect on academic performance. No such effect is evident. That holds across every single factor of variation Yoruba and Igbo are being used as exemplars for in Strand et al 2015. It’s surreal – it must be cheating, or to be a little more generous, pass-rate quotas the families aren’t aware of, if it isn’t either, what is it?

    Quite honestly, I don’t want to unfairly make a statement like that even anonymously – there are of course, extremely intelligent honourable Nigerians in this world – but this is the state of the body of evidence you have presented. So just tell us what the real answer is, because maybe it isn’t cheating. But it really looks like cheating.

    And if different ages of arrival and the other factors stated in Strand et al 2015 are your explanation for massive variation in the cohorts Mr Frost identified, how can those same factors also explain literally the diametrically opposite outcome of no or insignificant variation in national African UK GSCE results/rates?

    Now to this comment on scrabble. It is irrelevant. Totally, irrelevant. So you’re saying using Edgely, and Gibson and Wiegand and whoever else that scrabble might be a reasonable measure for intelligence, and presumably g-factor specifically. So if Igbo are winning scrabble tournaments, they must have superior genes for intelligence, and all of IQ science is wrong, you’re right, drop the mike.

    Okay, whoopdedoo, who cares.

    You haven’t accounted for Flynn’s seminal and very well known findings, from his work studying the Chinese American graduating class of 1966 that people with a lower genetic base for intelligence can achieve higher results, much higher results, on activities expressive of intelligence.

    [MORE]

    It would have to be something that will not leave female white inferior performance (or white children’s inferior performance) a puzzling mystery in light of African performance, as I argued in the article.

    It’s not a puzzling mystery at all – because Africans are performing the same as those Chinese did with inferior IQ’s, Chanda. Why did Chinese American males perform better than individual white women with a superior IQ? The only reason it’s puzzling to you, is because apparently you’re an intelligence expert who hasn’t read much of anything about intelligence?

    I really meant it – and anyone with half a brain understands it. You have, absolutely nothing, nothing you say is of any salience or relevance, until you can explain Flynn’s findings for the Chinese-American graduating class of 1966. Because it answers every single one of your contentions and challenges. Every, single, one.

    Chanda says, why is African X doing better at Y? The answer? Flynn’s findings on the graduating Chinese American class of 1966. Not higher IQ, or better genes than asserted by so and so – Flynn’s findings.

    Everything you say about scrabble, or monopoly, or chess, or Starcraft, or GSCE results or whatever other proxy you care to employ, is totally irrelevant, and unsalient. Because on each and every instance the simple answer, which is completely unpuzzling, is that the Igbo or the Somalis, or the Biafrans, or the Zulus, or the Tai-Kwante are emulating the Chinese-American graduating class of 1966. People with lower IQ’s, less genes for intelligence, doing better then people with higher IQ’s, and superior genes for intelligence. Just like the Chinese-Americans.

    Explain, Flynn’s results, and explain the constant, unchanging rate of GSCE performance across all ages and cohorts of Igbo and Yoruba per UK national data you have identified. Identified when those children with no significant variation in pass-rates per your statement, are literally being used as exemplars for factors that are supposed to lead to massive differences and variations in academic performance such as pass-rates. It’s absolutely incredible. Either the data itself is wrong (doubtful), or the Strand Paper et al 2015 mechanisms are completely wrong (possible, but we’ll take as given since it’s your evidence), or your kids are cheating or having others cheat for their benefit on a massive, massive scale. At least in the United States the cheating for the benefit of black people by our institutions is partially in the open.

    The one thing I will say, is that it is possible the children themselves and their parents don’t know they’re receiving the benefit of a hidden, Jewish Ivy-League style pass-quota. I.e., across all ages and for all periods, the institutions have to pass X number of African students because if they don’t that’s white supremacy and racist.

    That is possible, given just how venal the cultural marxists are in UK educational institutions and policy-making institutions. But as I said, it’s unlikely. Highly unlikely. Someone in your tight insular communities will know. Probably many people.

    While you’re at it – explain why the norming issue which was critical to the findings which refuted those of Richard Vernon have no application to Igbo in Great Britain. That’s actually something you should look into, because it could very well be, that Africans have a ‘higher’ IQ then Lynn etc thought, because of the norming issue. Aren’t you motivated to look into that?

    Until then, you have nothing, and moreover, you are a personification of your own statement you intolerantly ascribe to others “He doesn’t care about finding/telling the truth“.

    If you actually cared about what you say you care about, you’d use your capacities to solve these problems. They are an impasse to your theories, and until your resolve them, they will be relentlessly asserted.

    Even if no one in an official capacity ever asserts them, you know, just like everyone reading this at a certain level knows, they are real, and they are determinative.

    You have, nothing.

    Your core premise is pathetically false, and you have to resolve that falsity, sir.

    The people you’re willing to engage with really should take this up – it should all be easily apparent to men of intelligence and integrity.

    I don’t care – I’m happy to accept Nigerians have higher IQ’s then we all thought, and they have many admirable characteristics. I just despite cant, and disingenuous behaviour and fake triumphalism. I’m also genuinely curious as to the answers you can all come up with – as someone who isn’t an intelligence expert, but well, tends to be able to find answers to questions other people, even the smartest most intelligent people, can’t see or find.

  266. Have the ‘Proud Wakandan’ scrabble masters had their intelligence tested?
    That would be the most obvious next step & leads to the following two possibilities:

    1: They have a high intelligence & thus are at the upper end of the Negro bell curve.

    2: They have an unremarkable or lower intelligence & thus their scrabble performance is caused by some other factor.

    Neither invalidate the race & intelligence issue.
    Cope.

  267. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    > “However, because of the western media have been pushing the Uighur “genocide” hoax, there have been lot of discussion about the genocide of native Indian and Tasmanian Aboriginals in Chinese media.”

    I want to ask you as an honest Chinese person – Are you not horrified at the death of the Aryan race? Because if I were Chinese, I would not fear the Aryans – I would dread the Christian disease that has made them commit suicide. I would not tell my fellow Chinese about how cruel Americans were – but how the population of the Philippines and of Iraq grew by tens of millions under the American occupation. How the Whites constitute a minority in Hawaii.

    > “The Chinese was busy enough fighting amongst ourselves before white people came to our shores.”

    You must also blame the Christian Europeans for letting Japan acquire its technology. Why were Japanese ambassadors even allowed in Europe?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Japanese_Embassy_to_Europe_(1862)

    > “You haven’t seen nothing yet of what a powerful and rich China can do. We don’t hate you but it is time you know your PLACE in the racial hierarchy. You guys already had 400 years of fun.”

    I hope that China will have the moral strength to win out their Lebensraum in North America when the last vestiges of the USA rot away this century. Leave nobody alive.

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  268. xcd says:
    @CanSpeccy

    In my comment, I did not make it clear that I meant a more “moderate” upper group – that had the benefit of some practical (transformative) experience or guidance. No doubt, the top-most strata, especially creatives, are likely to suffer what you described.

    Even for the rest of us, it is depressing to be surrounnded by so much garden-variety greed, obsession, slavishness, ignorance, etc.

  269. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:

    Chandra, have you evaluated the top Nigerian Scrabble players to see if a few subgroups stand out? I would be surprised if the top 50 or 100 players in Nigeria represented a good statistical cross section of the population. Tribe, region, religion etc.
    I think you are likely seeing a high Iq subgroup or two, possibly also with a high variance in IQ, but then improperly extrapolating from that far right tail, where the normal distribution… Isn’t… Back to broad population means.
    If you have a population with 2 subgroups, one is 20mm with an IQ of 110 and SD of 18, (sufficient to crank out quite a few world class Scrabble players) and the other is 300mm, it doesn’t say anything about whether the second group IQis 95, 70, or 10.
    In much the same way as subsaharan Africa is too diverse to be thought of monolithically, so is Nigeria. I see this as another bit of anecdotal evidence that there are at least one if not several subsaharan subsets that have IQ (or at least variance) higher that the European norm. There is also evidence of caste based IQ differences in India, and I have to wonder if there are pockets of exceptional IQ in China…where the broad mean is already above 100.
    But extrapolating from the far right tail to broad population is a mistake. Anything past 4 or 5 SD gets very wonky and not normal. The normal distribution is for looking at broadly representative samples, not the outliers. So using it to see things you wouldn’t expect (like Nigerian scrabble over representation) is appropriate… But going back to broad population averages is not.

  270. @Ponder

    If Igbo can beat jews in Scrabble that might be enough. All we have to do is get the jews to bet all the central banks assets against all the resources of Africa. Ogbo might save the world. THen they can keep the gold but drop all the debt of nations, and we will be free at last.

    But really, comment 265 does seem to want it both ways implying Igbo cannot be jewish, because they do not have enough inherent smarts? Does this not contradict your comment 264 above “Either Blacks can learn and adapt or… not”? So you seem to want it both ways, and that is of course what is going on to some extent.

    In any case for a follow up essay the author may want to make a greater effort to explain the great disparities in many African countries and black neighborhoods in western cities. excellence in Scrabble suggests something more is going on but why the deplorable conditions across so vast an area? IF you value such “progress” (which I consider still an experiment but which does improve life expectancy) you need to explain how Germany and Japan rebuilt entirely after WW2 and Africa which suffered much less in terms of total war, has not pulled together very well. Why??

    It is a natural question. Many will ask it. Some might believe imperialism explains it all. DO YOU?

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  271. @Rubicon

    Sure environment is a major factor in intelligence. Genetics are also a factor. Your own choices in how you apply yourself are also a factor. Just like in sports, and other areas in life.

    If you take someone who is already gifted and they are trained at something, they will excel.

    Someone who is not gifted, but trains at something will be better than most who do not train, but not as good as someone who is gifted AND trains.

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  272. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Meimou

    intelligence is based on the physical properties of the brain, the social environment will not change anything.

    A statement of the IQ fallacy, meaning:

    We don’t care if you’re the World Scrabble Champion, or the World Chess Champion, or if you won two Nobel Prizes in the same year. If you don’t have a high IQ, you’re not very intelligent.

    This is probably what’s wrong with America. It hasn’t occurred to many Ivy Leaguers with their top one percent SAT scores that there are tens of millions throughout the world capable of scoring higher than them on an IQ test, and that accomplishment is a function of effort as well as intellect.

    As for the social environment changing nothing, LOL.

    Intelligence is the measure of mental skill, which is highly dependent on learning and practice, which is to say “the social environment.” And yes, experience and education do change the brain.

  273. canspeccy says: • Website
    @stevennonemaker88

    Someone who is not gifted, but trains at something will be better than most who do not train, but not as good as someone who is gifted AND trains.

    How do you know who’s gifted unless you train them?

    This guy was born blind and has an IQ probably too low to measure. Would you say he’s gifted or not, and how do you decide?

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  274. IQ by design reflects the average quality of one’s brain. Speed, memory, that kind of stuff.
    Brain tissue is not uniform, and different abilities can have varying levels.

    A genius may have a good, but not sky-high IQ (e.g. Feinman).

    Similarly, the skills that are needed to play Scrabble may be fairly specialized, and not reflective of general intelligence.

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  275. @lloyd

    Black comedians are as funny as Amy Schumer, by which I mean they could make me laugh if they fell down a set of stairs in front of me, while trying to portray an air of coolness. Other unintentional slapstickery would generate a bountiful laugh harvest as well but, they don’t compare to the best western comics…. at all. I would add, Amy Schumer would excel at this gravity based humour to a greater degree of course and not because she’s a member of the Levantine DNA thieves but, because she’s a fat bird and that’s just inherently funnier.

  276. Ponder says:
    @thotmonger

    There is no contradiction in my statements. Think on them deeply. I will help.

    Clearly IQ depends on both hereditary and learning environment. That is why I challenged the IQ issue being presented as only a hereditary issue.
    ° 1st — if igbo are Jewish, then they should perform at the same level relatively to other jews. That clearly is not the case, despite their scrabble prowess, which would then prove categorically that the environment plays a very significant role in IQ. So, there must be other factors that cause the Jewish igbo to underperform their other Jewish relatives. Clearly those factors must be environmental since they share the same Genes.
    ° 2nd about blacks learning and adapting —- it is self evident that they are, again proving that the IQ depends more on, again, the environment than genetics. If it depended on genetics, then Africans should be unable to learn as fast as they are. 50 years is a very short time to move from illiterate to fully functioning member of a western society don’t you think?

    So, clearly, the factors that led/lead to low IQ Africans are environmental. This article and others by unz have categorically proven this to be the case. And I had not even read unz’s documents prior to this until he linked them above in this thread. I have repeatedly asked about climatic differences between the tropics and temperate climates. Why would an African require refrigeration or heating to keep warm as there is no winter in the tropics? But as the world changes and demands for modern living increase, African have become doctors and engineers and mechanics and lawyers (that cursed profession) and accountants and pilots and ……….. the ‘backward’ ones just lack opportunities. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that those who have gotten those opportunities have ‘stepped up’ to modernity and function in it just fine.

    No nation in the world now, can excel unless it’s “allowed” to. You may dispute those words but your very own USA is deteriorating rapidly and yet all the smart people are still there. If I wanted to be stupid or with an agenda, I can just as easily claim that USA is falling apart because their IQ is falling. We both know that a load of crock. There are other factors causing the downward spiral. If you choose not see that about Africa, then thats ok by me. I see what is going on and if you don’t, surely I am not responsible for your “blindness” or whatever it is you have. In the next 30 or so years, we shall be sailing in the same boat.

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  277. Chinaman says:
    @Adûnâi

    Are you not horrified at the death of the Aryan race? Because if I were Chinese, I would not fear the Aryans

    Mussolini said something really interesting after he met Chamberlain and Halifax in 1939.

    “These men are not made of the same stuff,’ he was saying, ‘as the Francis Drakes and the other magnificent adventurers who created the Empire. These, after all, are the tired sons of a long line of rich men, and they will lose their Empire.”

    I guess he is right. Americans today are not cut from the same cloth as Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin… Not even Kennedy. Look at Trump and Biden. This is what happens when you fuck your slaves and mix with them..as Jefferson did. America will lose its empire. Don’t worry, the Aryan race will be reborn in a few hundred years after some cataclysmic event like the Plague which exert some proper selective pressure. COVID is not it but it is doing a good job killing the dumb.

    You must also blame the Christian Europeans for letting Japan acquire its technology.

    No blame. I am at a stage where I am beginning to see these historical events as a positive thing. The humiliation we have suffered under the British and Japanese was what we needed to wake china from that 1000 year slumber after the Mongolian invasion. Well…Mao actually went further on this point and thank the Japanese for helping him defeat the Nationalist..

    We don’t need no Lebensraum. You just end up corrupting the core of the empire. Things are already going exactly as planned.

  278. Chinaman says:
    @thotmonger

    Fan Qing Fu Ming 反清復明…I am impressed. You know your Chinese! No, Ming is not the direction we want to go.

    The immolation of foot-binding and Fung-Jian\Eunuch-ian culture is probably the best thing that happened to China. This will only be apparent in hindsight. Perhaps in 50 years. Me and others fantasise about the glorious civilisation of Tang and Song but often ignores its social rigidity and paralysis. A reset and a blank slate was exactly what China needed.

    Yes, Chinese take it as a complement when hear they are Jews of the East. I would even say some Chinese are more Jewish than Jews. There was enormous selection pressure for that kind of genotype under the Mongols and Manchus.

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  279. paum says:
    @joe2.5

    Competitive Scrabble is simple, as it does not require a broad memorization of dictionary terms, only memorizing the official Scrabble dictionary, which is far narrower. Once you memorize those terms its all a matter of basic strategy. To excel at Scrabble is not difficult.

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  280. Bruno says:

    Height and weight are correlated among all ethnic groups. But if you take Tutsi, Dinka or Masai height and infer their weight using Americans or worse Polynesian height to weight correlation, you would add to them quite a few pounds 😂

    That’s the flaw of your argument.

  281. You, Karlin, Sailer and the Kierkegaard guy all take an IQ test and publish the results.

    Come on!

  282. FvS says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Mayr and Ashlock (1991:43): “A subspecies is an aggregate of phenotypically similar populations of a species inhabiting a geographic subdivision of the range of that species and differing taxonomically from other populations of that species.”

    Although there were great migrations of early humans at times in pre-history, geography was still the primary limiting factor when it came to mating.

  283. @canspeccy

    How do you know who’s gifted unless you train them?

    You do not need to personally train someone to see they are gifted in something. Most professional athletes, for example, were top level athletes as kids. My cousin was a professional baseball player who made it as high as AA and played for the Reading Phillies. He was a tremendous player even as a kid, before he had access to professional coaching and training. That is being gifted.

    You can generally tell someone is gifted in something if they are much better than other individuals of the same experience level. About the video: I do not know how to play the piano and how much work is required, so I wouldn’t be able to tell you He certainly is a competent player though, which is impressive, especially for a blind person.

    I have alot of experience with lifting weights. I lifted consistently for some 15 years, and have managed a 500lb deadlift and squat, and benched over 300lbs. Gifted people who train that long usually would be benching over 400lbs and squatting and deadlifting in the 600s or more. I am of broadly average genetics, but I have worked hard at it. (the average untrained man can only lift some 150lbs)

    This is me doing a triple with 465lbs

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  284. @Chinaman

    Well, we know the Japanese consider the Chinese as hopelessly miscegenated. I don’t mind; I had a Chinese girlfriend, or two, tell me I was more Chinese than she. I blushed. Perhaps it is a past life thing.

    p.s. Your post #280 gave me LOL when you remark China “need no lebensraum”. Ha. Not only do you need it, you are racing for its acquisition. Sigh. I’ll let Lin Yutang give the admonition:

    The gracious spirit of wisdom is tied down to a beast or a demon in us. which by this time we have come to understand is nothing but our animal heritage, or rather it ties this demon down by an old and worn leash and holds it but in temporary submission. At any time the leash may snap, and the demon be unleashed, and amidst hosannas the car of Juggernaut will ride roughshod over us, just to remind us once more how terribly near the savage we have been all this time, and how superficial is our civilization.

    The Importance of Living. 1937.

    And for the last word, I will punt to Catton:

    Carrying Capacity: maximum permanently supportable load
    Cornucopian Myth: euphoric belief in limitless resources
    Drawdown: stealing resources from the future
    Cargoism: delusion that technology will always save us from
    OVERSHOOT: growth beyond an area’s carrying capacity, leading to
    Crash: die off

    – William Catton Jr. Overshoot, the ecological basis of revolutionary change. 1980

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  285. Rahan says:
    @Ian Smith

    Well, sure.

    Russia as a “Snowy Nigeria” is an old meme based once on a 2008 Esquire comparison:

    And again on a 2002 Interview with a drunk Sergey Brin the Google cofounder.

    Not that anyone seriously believes this in 2021, but it’s a meme that stuck.

  286. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Please for the love of God, would someone out there who isn’t a dumbass just acknowledge what I’ve said, and tell me this isn’t all completely pointless.

    You’re looking at one thing — the admission of incompetents to responsible positions. There’s more to it: The incompetents can’t govern.

    Consider this:

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/national-guard-in-dc-hospitalized-substandard-food/65-f231f75f-2206-4403-9d19-645eef5f302e

    https://nationalfile.com/national-guard-soldiers-in-dc-intentionally-fed-raw-undercooked-meat-meals-laced-with-shaved-metal/

    https://conservativewar.com/national-guard-soldiers-in-dc-intentionally-fed-raw-undercooked-meat-meals-laced-with-shaved-metal/

    That’s a logistics failure that is unprecedented to my knowledge. Worst case I’d ever heard of was troops fed on MREs that had been frozen for a decade or so.

    Troops that don’t get food or toilet paper lose their trust in the system and become much less effective. Getting food etc. to troops is the bare minimum, rock bottom, test of ability to govern.

    What happened? Well, I’d guess that the intent was to provide class A rations for the troops. A contract was let to a civil concern that was to provide food, and the contractor was selected using political criteria. The contractor then shaved a bit off cost by providing an inferior product (using cheap labor, inadequate kitchens, cheap supervision, etc.). This is just a guess, but it’s also what happens in highly political systems, especially in failing countries.

    It’ also true that keeping National Guard troops in Washington until Fall 2021 is a gross misuse of National Guard troops. The National Guard is a reserve force, intended to provide moderately well trained/equipped troops for emergencies of short duration. National Guard troops can be called up for deployment overseas, but only after intensive training. The troops have civil sector jobs they have to keep, and keeping them in DC for more than half a year to star in political theater will force quite a few people out of the Guard, which will become less capable. Texas has already recalled its force, other States are apparently considering such a recall.

    So what? Well, the US Federal Government doesn’t have a reliable National Guard anymore. It has one that it literally can’t feed, and that can (and will) be recalled by State governments.

    Add to this attempts to shore up political coalitions, such as: https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defunds-police-by-120-million-despite-skyrocketing-crime/

    You end up with a government that cannot govern.

    At some point reality reasserts itself (as it did even in the USSR / Eastern Europe during the 1980s) and you get some serious reform. You also have some serious casualties. The USSR’s Russian population very nearly went extinct as a consequence of WW II and the 1990 reform (The Saker has some archived articles about that on Unz.com).

    And that’s the end point. Things that can’t go on, don’t. You get a brute force and massive ignorance reform that ends when something roughly stable is achieved, and you find that all the things that seemed important before reform have been replaced by new things that seem important. Realization of this goes back to early 1800s, Hegel, although he presented the realization in somewhat abstract terms.

    Not what you wanted to hear, most likely, and the reorganization may well be along the lines of the Union of South Africa. Western / technological / industrial society is no longer run by people capable of maintaining it. The incompetents may go, or Western / technological / industrial society may go. The only sure thing is that something will go.

    On the bright side, the availability of multiple feasible outcomes does give you more motive to work towards an outcome you want, and perhaps the necessary independence of mind. Yes, what you see is true. The elephant is old and sick, it wants to lie down and die. This isn’t the time to try to get the elephant to stand up and perform. It can’t do that anymore.

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  287. @Ponder

    Thanks for the patient explanation.

    Africa is a continent. USA is a nation. You are comparing watermelons with apples. And you have not, nor has the author of this essay, or anyone else in the comment thread that I noticed, really made a satisfactory attempt to explain why Jewish intellectual performance is so stellar. I suggested a chunk of it is due to nepotism and deceit. That can cover a lot, like cooking the Nobel Prize books. But there must be something more.

    Fact is, Jews, and Chinese and Japanese for that matter, between themselves at least, very much believe their high intelligence is largely genetic. I recall Gilad Atzmon quip about Jews practicing eugenics for centuries, where daughters of rabbis paired up with wealthy merchants and had lots of kids. Is that a dumb hypothesis? If so, please show me why.

    p.s. I do not know if IQ in USA is falling, but I do know a plethora of mental diseases are absolutely epidemic. Aside from the general bad attitude, Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia are trashing the elderly. Rising rates of autism is hammering our youth, and all sorts of other twisted up brain rot is taking us down. Hard. Interbreeding probably has little to do with this. Pollution, on the other hand, the ubiquitous plastics and insidious aluminum, the hormone disrupters, not to mention the endless light and all manner of electronic irritation, deserves more attention.

    If only the mainstream media…

    • Replies: @Ponder
  288. @Chinaman

    Africa have none of these things and never had to suffer the scourge of communism.

    Tells me everything about how much you know of the subject you want to debate/pontificate on.

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  289. Ryan says:
    @Right_On

    As with all of Chisala’s UNZ articles, we will bend over backwards to use anything – anything! – but a standardized IQ test to reckon general intelligence.

  290. Chinaman says:
    @thotmonger

    Well, we know the Japanese consider the Chinese as hopelessly miscegenated

    Well…may be the Japanese should be concerned about the inbreeding depression and its effects on IQ. They are a few IQ points behind us. It have been said that 崖山之後無中華 ( I doubt you heard this one before). I think it is an exaggeration and the many descendants of Song still lives in Guangzhou. The Chinese are not anymore miscegenated than Americans and thank god we didn’t fuck our slaves. We probably got a bit of Hybrid Rigor here and there too. Japan should be very careful given how weak they are. Every Chinaman wants a piece of it, not out of hate but of inferiority complex. Japan is becoming like late Song…effete and hedonistic…

    Cargoism: delusion that technology will always save us from
    OVERSHOOT: growth beyond an area’s carrying capacity, leading to
    Crash: die off

    Cargoism…that’s for Chanda…The fallacy with most dire predictions or doomsday forecasts is that they are always “trying to solve tomorrow’s challenges using the solutions that are available today. ” Technology has a track record of 100% or you wouldn’t be alive. I assume you have heard of the Singularity or if not, just play a bit of Cyberpunk 2077 to get a sense of what the future have to offer. I prefer quotes from Johnny Silverhand than fucking Lin Yutang or Mussolini. The fact that there are many people like you worried about all sort of things makes me feel quite optimistic about the future. Thanks. You must have heard of the trope that the Chinese word for CRISIS 危機 is “opportunity that arise from risky\dangerous situation”. It is 2 sides of the same coin. I wouldn’t bet against human ingenuity.

    • LOL: thotmonger
  291. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Marckus

    Like you, I also dont see that forward movement in Africa and hence in blacks. On the contrary, they have shifted to reverse and slammed on the accelerator.

    Depends how you judged “foreward movement”.

    Africans have a fertility rate of 4.69 (the replacement rate is 2.1).

    Americans manage a fertility rate of 1.73, which means that the US population cannot be maintained, let alone increased, except through mass immigration. The American plan, it seems, is to replace themselves with people from elsewhere.

    The Europeans, the most brilliantly white people on the face of the planet, are doing even better at the business of self annihilation with a fertility rate of 1.55, better even than the Chinese with a fertility rate close to America’s at 1.69.

    But if you don’t count autogenocide as a negative, then maybe it’s true that the Africans are in a hopeless condition.

  292. canspeccy says: • Website
    @siberiancat

    IQ by design reflects the average quality of one’s brain.

    How the bleep does it do that? Is it magic or does it involve sticking needles in the brain, or what?

  293. canspeccy says: • Website
    @stevennonemaker88

    You do not need to personally train someone to see they are gifted in something.

    Look, we’re not talking about lifting dumbbells. No one becomes a math or musical prodigy without training, although that may be self-training through study of the literature, etc.

    As for the guy I mentioned above, he’s not just a competent pianist, he can play anything after hearing it only once, and he can transcribe on the fly to any key you want, and in any style you want.

    Yet as an infant he suffered massive brain damage as a result of which, he is not only blind but would score at the imbecile level on an IQ test.

    So does he display exceptional ability, genius even, or not?

    Obviously, yes.

    So much for IQ tests measuring giftedness.

    And if you ever give it serious consideration, you will come up with many other examples beside Derek Paravicini and the Nigerian Scrabble master (that’s assuming he doesn’t have what you would assume to be a genius level IQ, which he may have).

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  294. Chinaman says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    If the IQ cultists are right, there is a 70-80% probability that I have a higher IQ than you because I am Chinese (and probably everyone else) but I am pretty sure that’s not the case here since I have a low IQ. It should be apparent from my writing that you are a much better Scrabble player than I am.

    But I think I have done quite a lot with my life despite my low IQ and I dare say much more than the high IQ scrabble players. Assuming Chinese and blacks have the same average IQ, I think we all agree that the Chinese have contributed a lot more to humanity than Blacks. You know, paper and compass… stuff like that.

    There is no way you will convince all the White supremacists here that you are their equal no matter how strong your Scrabble argument is. That racism is so ingrained and reinforced by their daily experience with African Americans that they just don’t care what you say.

    But all of them fear the Chinaman and the CCP…we beat them in the Korean War and stop them in Vietnam. We can build things they can’t. Now, we are surpassing them in every domain, most importantly in AI and Tech. You can see that fear when Trump talks about China. That fear is called the “Yellow Peril”.

    So my question to you is how do we get the Black scrabble players or GCSE top scorers to use their cognitive resources to actually do something useful for Africa. The FEAR-inspiring kind of things. We shouldn’t start with things like AI or battery technologies. Just clean water and the ability to feed themselves would be a huge improvement.

    Just easy stuff-much easier than Scrabble- that will change everyone’s perception of Africa?

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  295. @canspeccy

    When did I say that IQ tests measure all kinds of giftedness?

    An IQ test obviously has limitations; it doesn’t tell you how tall or how fast someone is, or how long they have been studying french. Or a thousand other things. What it does is give you a ballpark idea of someones raw mental ability and potential to perform certain functions. It IS good for certain things. Someone with an IQ of 120 would generally be better at a job that requires alot of math. Someone with an IQ of 70 would generally not be suited for this task.

    There are a host of variables and most real world situations have counterexamples and anomalies.

    By being gifted I mean being naturally good at something (music, running, lifting, math, etc.) as opposed to being more experienced than someone and therefor better. In short, someone who is gifted at something has natural aptitude far beyond the average. Of course they still need to have some experience or training to really excel.

    Many people on this site insist that intelligence and ability in general is either ALL genetics or ALL environment; both hypothesis are obviously false since BOTH are important factors, as I have explained quite clearly.

    As it relates to the Genetics vs environment debate, the example I gave you about lifting weights is just as relevant as Intelligence, or virtually any other ability or skill.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  296. Ponder says:
    @thotmonger

    I think you have the answers to all those questions.
    ° Africa is a continent that is more diverse than USA as a nation. Just because we have black skins doesn’t make us homogenous. Bantu alone are over 700 last time I checked. Talk about a melting pot.
    ° jews may breed to enhance IQ, but their social cohesion and sticking together and considering a fellow jew as a brother can be very important factors that allow them to thrive. Those plus other factors including some you have identified would explain their performances —- clearly, that is mostly environmental/ nurture and not nature
    ° all those factors that you list are again environmental. Get rid of the opioids, crappy food and GMO to boot, and all those hormonal disruptors and you get back your IQ. That’s why I have repeatedly pointed out that the environment has a much detrimental effect on the IQ than hereditary factors. Your own analysis confirms it since the whites are still the same ones but now facing many external limiting factors to their performance. Thanks for an honest engagement.

    • Agree: thotmonger
  297. @Anonymous

    I like how everyone in this thread conforms to aspects of their national stereotypes.

    Indeed, this situation in the United Kingdom I have identified can be compared to the United States, the ur-analogy for all good Americans. I say that only partially tongue-in-cheek.

    I like how Mr Tsarfat, even here, is busy attempting to add new Jews to the fold – because what we do if we face competition is we appropriate it. So Igbo are now Jews. Just like Hispanics are now also Jews – see the comments from Alexandria Ocacia-Cortez. If the Chinese ever show the slightest weakness they too, will be Jews. Probably via the Kaifeng and/or Hakka – who it is quite possible in fact are via the silk-road or some other long lost esoteric link. Their profile conforms very similarly to that of the Bolsheviks in Russia. A small nomadic ethnic minority who form a massively and statistically impossible proportion of a massive countries’ ruling class who take power via a supposedly organic revolution who then liquidate opponents and artifacts of their culture. But white people cannot be Jews – because they are Amalek, or alternatively, present resistance to Promethean endeavours.

    I think you’re broadly correct. We are indeed plagued by the rule of incompetents. It is possible that innocent incompetence explains why Africans in England evince wild variation in their GSCE pass rates based on a set of factors they then use to explain no variation in GSCE pass rates. The same explanatory factors used to rationalize mutually exclusive opposite outcomes [variation/no-variation]. A set of conditions which mean that the only possible conclusion is that one set of African sample subjects are cheaters, with a much higher probability that it is the national sample. Because the national sample is the sample that does not conform to outcomes arising from factors of variation, where everyone else, including that smaller sample of Yoruba, does.

    I shouldn’t hedge it – they’re cheating cheaters who cheat.

    They might not know, but they know now. Because Chanda will tell them, because he’s a big bristling truth-teller, like all the other diversity who ‘tell truth to white people’. But he won’t. Because only white people (in aggregate), likely to be Christian, ever accept conclusions that might be disadvantageous to their group. Chanda is smart enough to know I am correct. But he will not tell his community, or query the line of enquiry. Because he couldn’t give a damn about truth. What he cares about is power for his shitty overrated tribe. Fine. But he shouldn’t pretend to care about truth.

    The unfortunate answer is that these Africans are being raised up regardless of their performance, and thus not based on their merit but purely on their function as a weapon-designate of population replacement, specifically managerial class replacement, and racial/cultural subversion against the prostrate remnants of the English. By our eternal friends, the Learned Elders of Wye, making their bets that hell doesn’t exist in the afterlife.

    [MORE]

    Similarly, I don’t think the National Guard in Washington being poisoned is ‘solely’ because some member of the protected diversity replacements can’t read the expiry dates on tomato sauce cachets, or doesn’t know what food-stuffs require refrigeration, or conversely perish under conditions of refrigeration. Or that you have to wash your hands after handling chicken. I say diversity elements inclusive of the Baizuo.

    I think, the members of the National Guard in Washington are being poisoned maliciously and deliberately.

    It’s deliberate. You don’t get metal shavings embedded in your meat by accident. You might get them fallen idly on the periphery of a canteen or receptacle. Not embedded like a great big ‘fuck you, white national guard’ goobie, turding right in the middle of your protein.

    No, it’s deliberate.

    And here is what’s so invidious, because we do end up with your posited incompetency.

    All these Africans raping people in the West are currently bouyed up by a kind of effervescent sense of Hubris. It’s pervades all their writings, Chandas, SwankNastY’s, everywhere you find their screeding. Anywhere they think they aren’t observed, they careen into discussion about how many white women they are going to rape/fuck/despoil. Ways they can swindle the locals. How they can exploit the advantages conferred to them by a system designed to service their needs.

    They, like the Chinese (who have a bit more justification) believe they are now on the crest of a historical wave whereon they will wreak vengeance on their colonizers, and that all of the various impediments to their hegemony will be systematically broken down. And that all of it is because of their brilliance and hitherto unidentified virtue, that was obscured by the racism of white people.

    Not realizing, being of low IQ, or alternatively not possessing the full set of concentric rings that particular cultural formation adds to IQ at the higher levels, that reality is the opposite. They are the undeserving usurpers, being raised up not according to their merits, but precisely according to their demerits to western civilization. That applies to others too.

    These Igbo and Yoruba kids are being set as part of the new managerial class in England. Along with the Indians and Chinese. Not because of their merit. Because of their demerits. Whites are being excluded from that class not because of their demerits, but out of malice to their merits. Even the ones that are less intelligent, will probably look askance at things like hidden racial pass-rate quotas – even if they were to advantage whites against non-whites.

    The immigrants will say, like Mr Tsarfat has so revealingly, that White failure in Britain is going to be because the Whites are all graceless cretinous pigs who watch Jeremy Kyle and eat McDonalds and get drunk on Fridays and holler at Football. Instead of studying hard like those virtuous neo-Europeans. And those beautiful waifish young English girls with the big beautiful green and blue eyes and red hair should all marry the men of mud, or men of lie. shouldn’t they Mr Tsarfat.

    But actually, we now know the Igbo and Yoruba have a pass-rate quota. It doesn’t matter what they do, or don’t do. It doesn’t matter whether the kids: https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/23323/EAL_and_educational_achievement2.pdf?sequence=1
    (page 8)
    are identified as SEN (Special Educational Needs); or
    are an international arrival during the KS2 stage; or
    subject to pupil mobility and joined their primary school in year 5 or year 6; or
    are black African;
    This factor (they’re all listed on page 8) is interesting. Because ‘White other’ actually is a bigger factor of disadvantage then being black. Because Strand et al 2015 say this:

    EAL students from the White Other (10 NC months), Black African (4 NC months) and Pakistani (4 NC months) ethnic groups were substantially more at risk than their peers from the same ethnic group but recorded as FLE”.

    White Other 10 NC Months > Black African (4 NC Months).

    So being white and not English is a greater disadvantage then being Black African in England, for educational attainment.

    So why do these fucking tiresome black folk claim that being black is a big disadvantage in England, or anywhere, when the fucking studies they refer us to show the fucking opposite? Almost every time.

    It is worse to be a white Frenchman, or Lithuanian, or Pole, or Basque, or Irish, in England, then a Black African. According to this goddamn study, proffered by the black Moses as an accusation against Peter Frost.

    So Chanda should go tell his community to shut the fuck up about their non-existent disadvantages. But he won’t. Because he doesn’t give a damn about truth. He just cares about power – like all the other immigrants.

    Why, the fuck, is it a bigger disadvantage for educational attainment to be ‘White other’ then ‘Black African’ in England, if what we’re told by the black people and their hidden facilitators in the English educational establishment is correct? Why is Oxford University reeducating everybody, when their own shit-stain researchers in the papers they use to justify variance reminiscent of black cheating say the opposite? Why? Why why why? Is there a single person on the left or POC who isn’t an incompetent or otherwise worthless piece of shit?

    Where is Unz with his wonderful erudite and concise little likeable contributions. Maybe he could tell us, given his wonderful centrism against the silly and asinine white radicals and erratic internet denizens. California is going so well. So is New York. So is Michigan. Going so well.

    Continuing.

    Entitlement to FSM – makes no difference;
    Neighbourhood deprivation – no fucking difference to constant GSCE pass rates;
    Region – no difference.
    Age – no fucking difference.

    It’s all on page 8.

    I must check if the other kids are getting these things as well.

    So.

    The only way for there to be no variation in GSCE pass rates for these Yoruba and Igbo slave traders of lesser black tribes is for every single kid in that pulsating sample to:

    All have exactly the same SEN status – that is, there are either NONE with special needs sufficient to cause statistically significant variation in GSCE pass rates. Or they ALL have special needs; and
    All or none arrived as an international arrival during the key stage of KS 2;
    They are subject to ZERO differences in pupil mobility.
    They have mysteriously managed to transcend their ethnic advantage against ‘White Other (10 NC month) competition, and achieved a constant and superior rate of passes against those who are more ethnically disadvantaged, or subject to equal ethnic disadvantage (i.e. Pakistani (NC months).
    They all have the same entitlement to FSM.
    They all live in the same neighbourhood – none come from neighbourhoods with different levels of average deprivation. Because if they fucking did, the ones from the better neighbourhoods would achieve a different rate of pass rates in aggregate. But no, same fucking neighbourhoods.
    Region – none are from London, because ones from London should be achieving a higher rate.
    Age: They’re all the same age, it just stays the same, being on those mean streets of da UK as a Black Man. EAL abates for everyone else as they get older, but not fucking black people. Oh no. Not they.
    Gender: the gender differences identified by these idiots just ‘melts away’ for the Africans. They have transcended gender itself. There are no gender differences that diffuse their way into the total GSCE pass rates.

    I’m making this as blunt and angry and New York as I possibly can because I still think readers don’t understand just how apparent and undebatable the Yoruba and Igbo cheating now is. If you don’t get it at this point, I can’t help you anymore.

    And it doesn’t matter. Everyone knows the election was stolen. Everyone who has read Unz’s work on the myth of American meritocracy knows what’s going on there. Everyone can now see the cheating in England. And it won’t matter. We are the damned.

    The new nomenklatura, the cheating, unmerited, feckless, incompetent new nomenklatura, particularly it’s Igbo and Yoruba pending components, are going to be ( a continuation of) the most incompetent yet malicious and ‘confident’ socio-political class in history.

    Because they are undeserving meritless swine, who actually believe that they are the most deserving and most disadvantaged cohort of political managers in world history. They are fucking human waste, and only the sheer unprecedented scale of their corruption protects them from being revealed and deposed.

    The fucking Pontic/Julii accountants in Rome who destroyed the peasant farmers with private taxation syndicates had nothing on this new class of lying cheating immigrant scum, that are being gently lifted up into positions they don’t fucking deserve in the West, while their other hands point the finger at the people who have literally abased themselves to their faggotry. Accepted every lie. Laid down prostrate.

    They’re cheaters.

    None of the factors of variation listed apply. None. But they all fucking apply to that smaller population who went from a 38% pass rate to 69% in a single year do they, Chanda. Do they?

    I shouldn’t swear. I shouldn’t get angry. But what are we to do? There are no avenues. None. What does that mean? I don’t mean for me personally. I mean for the survival of aggregates. It’s all being destroyed. Every possible trustworthy institution, even high-school, is being destroyed. Even in England. Why?

    Do Nigerians even need these pass-rate quotas? Apparently they do? Why don’t they care? Or investigate? Do they give a shit that there are white kids who are going to be denied their rightful place even in a the lower-middle class in England because they get smashed down by a hidden pass rate quota? Nah, they’re just obliviously relegated to Jeremy Kyle status and everyone just points and laughs and wishes them ill, while they pay for these motherfuckers. It’s their own fault, see! Look, Mr Tsarfat thinks so! His pieces on this sight are some of the worst. I could do that Jewish Mytso-mumbo-jumbo T J Elliot Biyamin allusive kalediedoscope crap-fest much better. Shit Tsarfat, if you turn the mirror ‘this’ way’ you get a million points of light, and they all blind the eye, and none of them light up anything discernable! Your mind is such a fucking maze!

    So yes, incompetence is the burden of our age, at every level. As it is so disgustingly on display. People cannot even lie competently anymore. They just think that if you make it impossible for anyone to talk about the lies, that means they can’t see them. So let’s see what happens.

    In a fair world, none of this would happen. The one good thing is that all the swine who are much less clever then they think they are, all hedging their bets on the afterlife can & will burn to the very depths of the scale of their wagers.

    Fucking cretins and meritless criminal cheating pieces of shit who purport to rule over us. Inclusive of the Igbo and Yoruba who are receiving the benefit of a pass-rate quota. While they laugh at white people suffering in the streets and talk about how wonderful they are at scrabble. Fuck, maybe if we looked at the administrative procedures for scrabble we’d find cheating too. Like for the Nobels. Which all ceased their flow after a change of personnel in the award committee. Fucking mysteriously.

    I shouldn’t swear. But it’s hard, when you’re a Michael Burry or a something else who sees these things, and no can follow you, and if they can, they don’t care.

    I’d love to take the route of just powering down and accepting fate. But fuck that – Revolution, Conflict, peaceful, entirely violence free, left wing rainbow oriented, competitive non-conflict, even in the face of everything being stolen, even in the face of elections being stolen, and rule of law being stolen, and everything being stolen.

    See, honey pot stirrers? It’s just relaxed acceptance. I only pop up for Chanda. It’s just satire. Not real analysis.

    Because to Chanda’s credit, he is actually saying new things, doing real analysis, even if it’s a little bit strained on the edges. And look, it is a source of further analysis, which in turn can be analysed. There may yet be (fingers crossed) an innocent explanation. Maybe angry parents will confront the Baizuo trying to turn their children into sexual objects giving them a hidden pass-rate quota and demand fairness and transparency. At the very least they’ll stop their kids being speyed and groomed for gender transformation.

    I can understand why he wants to prove his people have a higher IQ then others say, and his methods are innovative like scrabble etc. I just want to see if he can solve the long-standing paradoxes in intelligence. At least Chanda is motivated about something. At least he’s trying – and hey, even if most of what he thinks are based on lies, he’s winning. None of these lies matter – whites are going to get curb-stomped. Exciting times. All he has to do is point and laugh at this analysis, even if it’s true! It makes no difference! No one cares!

    All Chanda has to do is be a coherent black man who says thing vaguely congruent with something or other, and he will be successful. Can’t blame a man for living in his prevailing conditions.

    But, posterity at least will know.

    Those kids are cheating, my friend.

  298. Thank you Chanda for bringing more Clarity and excellent rebuttal to the IQ debate.
    And, thank you to Ponder, Chinaman and thotmonger for a civilized discussion.
    This is why I come here: being informed, education, (often) civilized discussion and the increase of my IQ! (Ha Ha)

    Now I will venture to the CBC and enjoy ad hominems, evidence sorely lacking, censor ship and woke moderation. I usually get suspended within 3-4 comments for offering alt sources, like Unz, or just plainly disagreeing.

  299. ProudBLM says:
    @Marckus

    I hope this answers your stupid comments….German “metaphysicians” have long tried to answer some of these issues like Levitation stigmata etc At least have an open mind not a Closed racist one, and yes the face of the sphinx is an African face.

  300. @Chinaman

    Arg. I know the feeling, CC. Like after carefully preparing an excellent meal for several guests, they show no manners or attention to any detail, and instead bury the main course in ketchup and scatter half eaten remains all over the room.

    To be fair, a topic such as this might naturally selects for smart asses. And on the upside, this one dyed in the wool, goading technocrat does appear to have a missionary streak. Perhaps, as a form of cultural exchange, he can share some bat stew recipes. I have heard for the flu it beats chicken soup, hands down.

  301. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @stevennonemaker88

    When did I say that IQ tests measure all kinds of giftedness?

    When did I say you said it? LOL

    Here’s all that I intended to convey. A high IQ is not a requisite of giftedness, except giftedness in doing IQ tests and related tasks.

    • Agree: stevennonemaker88
  302. Some thoughts

    Verbal abilities differ from mathematical abilities. Men and women display this, with scores of verbal intelligence being roughly the same, and STEM scores in men showing Greater Variability, hence longer tails, and hence almost all of the top scientists are men. This same pattern could be present between races.

    The lower average levels of neurosis in blacks could be a factor as well. That would make one better at games, which require a degree of improvisation and action under time pressure, favouring those who are able to enter flow-states faster, which blacks on average would be, due to lower inhibitions from the prefrontal cortex.

    In the prior article about school performance in Britain, I noted that the high-scoring children were Nigerian girls. School being an activity that at least partly relates to conformity and obedience, it’s unsurprising that girls would excel there. Most women’s intelligence being average or closer-to-average, it’s unsurprising that we should find them succeeding in British schools. Such a statistic would hide any endemic lack of STEM ability among Nigerian male populations, but the long-term real consequences of that would be evident in economic outcomes, which they are. Adding to that the possibility of cheating raised by an earlier commenter (a practice at which many Nigerians wouldn’t bat an eyelash) and you have reasonable doubt.

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  303. @Joe's oldest friend

    great comment. Their are many factors to a discussion like this. oversimplifying often leads us away from reality

  304. bronek says:
    @AKAHorace

    That’s the biggest bunch of garbage, or perhaps the biggest bunch of trash I have ever heard. The fact is African languages are far less sophisticated than those of Asia or Europe.

    From coast to coast in the USA African-American schools are the most disruptive of any others. This whole debate indicates a feeling of inferiority.

    There is no need to mention that they were perhaps 500,000 years behind in civilization or should I say evolution. Hell, before Whitey went on the dark continent they didn’t even have ships.

    Even their roads were nothing but paths. In fact, debating such a subject is rather childish.

    Before Whitey went to the dark continent they had little clean water, unsanitary worlds were the norm; later, they had no electricity, no automobiles, no airplanes… What they did have was primitivism. In So. Africa they resided in mud bee-shaped huts before Whitey introduced Euro-type homes.

    Even today Bs, in mass, want to reside in W countries. The prob., as indicated in this article’s the craziness enters the debate of common sense.

    This is not to say that there are not a lot of blacks with very nice personalities. .I have met them all over the world. On the other hand, it’s best not to even mention what a large percentage – the majority of black regions, and western civilization imply…

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  305. bronek says:
    @Tony Ryals

    Loved your rhyme. Will share with others. Thank you.

  306. bronek says:
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Very good few lines. More often than not people are unable to express simple facts. I’ve traveled around the world and can assert that you are correct. Moreover, for decades once a year I would ride a motorcycle from coast to coast. The demographic change that you were referred to is an absolute fact.

  307. bronek says:
    @Anon

    Polish is one of the languages that I function in. As far as I know there is one black that’s an MP in that country. The extensive commentary that I’ve read indicates that he’s an absolute arse. I don’t know if it’s true. However, what I do know, is that in nearly all countries voting is a sham and those chosen are generally not the best choice. Here in Amdom The ‘Big’O was picked to be Prez!

  308. Slimer says:

    Not sure why Chanda Chisala continues to entertain defeated soy boys on the internet when the whole IQ discussion was never really about intelligence, but rather about sex. To quote the findings of a once prominent member of the race realist academic movement:

    “Net of intelligence, black men are significantly more physically attractive than nonblack men.”

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Scientific-Fundamentalist-A-Look-at-the-Hard-by-Kanazawa/c9bbe2969eab2037f9d1eb9b86783222fd71743c?p2df

    This means that as African countries become more educated, and their economies more developed, white men will loose their monopoly on the sexual market place. Black men will become more fetishized for being “masculine” much like East Asian women are fetishized for being “feminine”, inadvertently pushing white men down by a rung. Notice these alt-right dudes freely admit to being outperformed academically by Jews, Arabs, Asians and Indians, as they perceive them as geeky and lacking in sex appeal. Meanwhile these same alt righters imitate black slang because they think it sounds “cool.”

    Africa will never match Europe in wealth or scientific scholarship, sadly, but its countries can prosper by revamping agriculture and investing in R & D. A good example is the world bank’s ACE program, which, in collaboration with African governments, established 20 or so pan – african research centers in areas crucial for economic development. As a successful business owner , a leader of sorts(?), this is the stuff Mr. Chasala ought to concern himself with; that is, helping his fellow country men rise out of poverty, not convincing white people that he’s just as intelligent as them. They know as much already. Time to act like it now and start building up your countries.

  309. ‘Defeated’.

    It’s actually incredible the sheer scale of malfeasance that is required to maintain that illusion.

    1) Pass rate-quotas for Jews in the Ivy-League – Unz has proven this. The ethnic composition of US national merit award recipience should be apparent in Ivy League admissions. Instead, we have crazy impossible variances in the hundreds of percents, where whites and to a lesser degree Asians are used as the remainder of the quotas for the cheaters.

    2) A handsome and very intelligent yet magnanimous dark-lord has proven that the jewish IQ superiority is a myth. You should go to his blog, Vox Popoli.

    There is no real genuine merit in the Ivy League. No one is beating anyone else in any real sense of the word – because how can you beat someone who isn’t permitted to compete? Yes, many of those students are still able – but they’re benefiting from pass-rate quotas, secret ones, like the Igbo and Yoruba.

    2) That is now determined for Africans in UK High-schools. No merit. Well, some merit – I still have a soft spot for the African Southern Baptist schismists. But they’re absolutely getting pass-rate quotas. Africans according to Chanda have zero or insignificant variance in their GSCE pass rates (no swings). Despite experiencing or being the literal personifications of factors of variation in educational performance, that are being used to explain suspicious instances of massive variation in smaller samples of the same population.

    It’s so stupid, only cultural marxists and POC’s could have devised it.

    There is no ambiguity, no possible explanation that can bypass pass-rate quotas and cheating in some form for those students. None.

    “alt-right dudes freely admit to being outperformed academically by Jews, Arabs, Asians and Indians” No they don’t.

    We’ve just established that large swathes of those usurpers aren’t outperforming white dudes academically – they’re the recipients of pass-rate quotas.

    Whatever comes next won’t have these problems, because those people will be treated in kind.

    It’s amazing that a single white kid given the cultural hatred of them, functions, let alone still actually out-competes people in the US at the high-school level.

    The economic conditions enabling all of this is on a clock.

    No one will interfere, because if they do, the belly of the Dragons will drip water.

    Black men will become more fetishized for being “masculine” much like East Asian women are fetishized for being “feminine”, inadvertently pushing white men down by a rung.

    Black men are fetishized because of a relentless cultural campaign, like the campaign we now see in UK high-schools, to facilitate them in order to provide cover for their deficiencies, so they can become a new lesser replacement population of neo-Europeans.

    You could get European women, even the educated ones, having children again, if honest people could get your hands on the media, within 2 years. That’s all it would take. Total transformation by people who understand the system, in 24 months.

    So black men are the sexual apex are they lol, I had no idea. Even female porn-stars actually don’t want to fuck them, because they don’t like being spat on, or cuffed, or being cut by guys who typically have AIDS. And the female pornstars who refuse are removed from the industry or die like August Ames (yes, I occasionally check in on what the latest state of the debauchery is – it’s currently ‘step-families’ and will eventually encompass nuclear families no doubt – but no, I’m one of those evil no-fap people). And yes I’ve read of the exploits of their best Kangs in places like Estonia and Sweden.

    If these pretenders weren’t being cheated on behalf of, at every possible turn, they wouldn’t have a nickel for their grannies sippy cups, and women would take the same approach they always did, and which is always apparent when you look at empirical data like online dating website data analytics and actual preferences. Mr Kanazawa’s work is of less salience then say, the conclusions from data analytics taken on the entire operation of Ok-Cupid.

    It’s all, fake, my guy. Even the so-called physical superiority. The fact guys like Le Bron James get to take the finest in Human PED’s in Miami and everyone knows about it, and gets given vast amounts of Cabal money ‘as well as’ having natural talent doesn’t mean every black guy is Le Bron. They cheat. Openly. Le-Bron openly says he spends about I think it’s $1.5million USD per year on his body. What the fuck do people think he’s spending the money on? Gold encrusted weights that are the same as the ones at the fucking YMCA that do the same thing? Physics nullifying alien protein powder?

    Go and read what Usain Bolt and his friends in the Jamaicas were allowed to take. They were clean bro, it’s just, no one was allowed to conduct random testing ever. But those evil drug taking Russian 800m runners, that’s unfair and shit, get them out of the Olympics.

    Remember, even though the NBA is now tanking in terms of ratings and the entire league apart from Luka Doncic and, um, I don’t know, Blake Griffin? sort of? is black, it’s not diverse enough. So why should white guys with talent even try? They’re not diverse enough. The whole league would actually die if it wasn’t being cross-subsidized with funny money. Like everything else.

    White boys (it’s always ‘boy’ now, always boy) are the dangerous ones now. So dangerous, that literally have to be taken off every single platform, have every single communication perused for it’s provenance and source, be subjected to relegating hidden and even open racial pass-quotas, and have entire elections stolen from them. They aren’t even allowed to compete for the NBA, because it’s now run by the ‘Get-Up’ people. It’s all so transparent.

    They have to be subjected to the greatest Stasi Architecture ever conceived, in Europe, and in the United States. They also apparently have to be purged from the military, stopped from owning rifles, stopped from being able to freely associate, and stopped from being able to participate in institutions and civic discourse. They aren’t allowed to own Dr Seuss books. They aren’t even allowed to leave their houses during elections, and they need to have a vaccine passport to be able to travel. They have to be literally poisoned like in the National Guard or via these fake bogus vaccines, just because they, alone, might resist tyranny and these fucking monopolies populated by undeserving incompetent but deeply malicious and amoral evil swine who are fucking human waste. If they gather anywhere for a single day, apparently the entire National Guard has to be mobilized.

    That nonexistent but apparently immense danger, just oozing from their every pore, has consequences in terms of female moisture levels.

    If the black idiots burn down cities and statutes they couldn’t possible ever create for themselves, they can be permitted to do so for literally months on end. Because they are idiots and physically overrated, not without the guidance systems and the fake foreign funny monies. And if the entire apparatus of state wasn’t protecting them, they’d be disappeared in about 1 week. 1 fucking week. Not that I or anyone else would ever recommend that, oh no. What concerns me is the racist blowback to such activities, or even the faintest sentiments of such okay? We need flower laying ceremonies and to increase taxes so we can pay for more to emigrate from Africa, and close down all the prisons, and ban more citizens from competing. That’s what I support.

    I cannot get over how Oxford University funds these cretins to tell lies, when their own research emphasises the lies. Educational attainment is harder for Polish people by virtue of being Polish then it is for ‘Black-African’ in the UK. According to Oxford’s own research based on longtitudinal population data encompassing their entire ethnic immigrant population – so it’s really quite reasonable. Yet Oxford now has to take down all the white founders because of the oppression they themselves have to concede is a lie, of those Nigerians and other black folk in the UK, whose ethnicity is a less negative factor then being white according to their own cutting edge research used to explain impossible variance in Nigerian GSCE exam results.

    How can these people not understand that their findings are being caused by properties of language proximate to English? How? Because they’re pretenders. Because they’re morons. Because they don’t fucking deserve anything that they have.

    The leashes are barely holding. Look at those 10 year bond rates start going up. Interest rates rising, inexorably, with all that entails.

    The edifice is just staying up. Just barely. So the real pandemic as opposed to the fake one, because there are no excess deaths, must be in swift finalisation, for those newly implanted genetic biomarkers for targeted distribution.

    Oxford state that EAL students only have been able to thrive due to massive diversions of funding from the public school system and FLE students. At the same time they say that Charter schools are evil because they divert funding from the public school system.

    These people are human waste.

    The time of wolves is coming, soon, people can dismiss it and laugh and say it’s all just purple rhetoric – we will see.

  310. Slimer says:

    Correction: World Bank funded 46 research centers in total, 24 in east/southern Africa and 22 in west/central Africa.

    https://ace.aau.org/

    The folks who insist that Africans are divided are only partially correct, ignoring the myriad ways that pan – Africanism is practiced every day. It’s not merely lip service from corrupt officials looking to divert attention away from their short comings by pointing the finger at foreigners, but a form of collaboration among those Africans who have the greatest capacity to solve problems.

    Pointing out that this conversation is really about sex always triggers the same response:
    “oh, that’s not true.” Yet, there’s more evidence from the UK corroborating this very obvious fact.

    Scientists from Cardiff University found differences in perception of attractiveness in different races, which could account for significant differences in which races tend to marry each other in the UK.

    The team examined the preferences of a research group of students rating faces of the opposite sex and, using a mathematical formula devised from the results, found that it correlated closely with statistical trends of mixed-race marriages in the UK.

    Black men in the study were found to be the most attractive to females based on facial characteristics, while Asian women were perceived to be most facially attractive to men.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-university-scientists-reveal-role-2035728

    Could this have something to do with Africans outperforming English whites on their own standardized tests? Hmmm, that’s what Kanazawa would predict anyway. Saying, “oh it’s not true” isn’t going to make it less true. It’s so sad to see scores of grown men congregating online, day in and day out, harping on about black men.Wasting their lives.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  311. Malla says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Let them imagine having boundaries re-drawn, and institutional arrangements mandated by an occupying power, so that their bureaucracy is entirely populated by, say, Mexicans.
    So the whole of sub-Saharan Africa is still hostage to lines drawn by a bunch of English and French bureaucrats – whose primary objective was value-extraction.

    You are right about borders drawn by Europeans creating unnatural states but that happened because the Scramble for Africa was driven by competition and fears among European powers. Colonialism was driven a lot by competition and fear among European powers including Russia and later the Japanese and Americans.
    And it is much more complicated than you think. For example, the North East of India, never wanted to be part of India, during Independence, our Indian freedom fighters, would not accept the freedom struggle of the Indian North East. Our freedom fighters from British Empire had them inside India, and later India had to spend billions of dollars in suppressing the armed conflicts there.

    The colonial model has not been abandoned by the former colonial powers: international ‘aid’ programs are designed to capture resources in former colonies by ‘aid recycling’ (plus corruption)… with the eventual aim of triggering debt default and the post-colonial acquisition of the debt-funded infrastructure.

    The earlier colonization is very different from today’s World Bank, IMF, Wall Street colonization. Indeed Wall Street funded many decolonization movements. Honest European (or Japanese) officers were replaced by corrupt native leaders which is exactly what Wall Street wanted.

    I live in the Third World, this theory that the West is responsible for our poverty could be sold to a Western leftard Eloi bafffon but not to me. Our poverty is the result of our own actions and tendencies.

  312. Becky21k says:

    Okay so they can play scrabble.

    How come they can’t build or maintain a nation, or even a functional plumbing system?

    Also, the one dude they mention, his last name is really Jighere? The joke kind of writes itself.

    • Replies: @the jerk
    , @the jerk
  313. AKAHorace says:
    @bronek

    That’s the biggest bunch of garbage, or perhaps the biggest bunch of trash I have ever heard. The fact is African languages are far less sophisticated than those of Asia or Europe.

    What do you mean by “less sophisticated” ? They may not have the scientific or legal vocabulary that European languages of nation states have but is there grammar any easier ? African languages that are lingua francas like Swahili are easy, but most Africans also speak a language of their tribe or ethnic group that is often unrelated to the lingua franca. Many Africans speak a couple of African languages, as well as a colonial language such as English, French or Portuguese. How many North Americans know as many languages ?

    There is no correlation between how developed a culture is and how easy it’s language is. English is a lot easier to learn than many Amerindian languages.

    Languages of Asia and Europe very a lot. Slavic languages have a much more complicated grammar than English (declined nouns, lots of different conjugations of verbs), Chinese and Thai languages a much more simple grammar (no verbal conjugations at all, no singular or plural). You cannot lump Asian and European languages together like this by saying that they are more difficult than African languages.

  314. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    https://ace.aau.org/

    Fantastic. That’s a good thing.

    corrupt officials looking to divert attention away from their short comings by pointing the finger at foreigners

    Corrupt officials who are foreigners are giving their foreign brethren cheating hidden pass rate quotas.

    They’re outperforming whites on these tests, because they’re being given hidden pass-rate quotas. You are incapable of understanding.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-university-scientists-reveal-role-2035728

    “The study, involving 40 undergraduate students, collated ratings of attractiveness of faces of 600 opposite-sex faces categorised by their race – black, white and Asian”.

    Unless it was anonymized, it can’t be considered legitimate. No student, particularly a white female, is ever going to risk being perceived as racist. That’s why the Swedes make it so that everyone can see who someone voted for.

    But in the latest research, academics devised and tested a mathematical formula of marriage behaviour on the back of the attractiveness data from the student sample, which produced the same patterns of mixed-race marriages found in government records.

    The sample size was 40 students. 40, undergraduate students at a modern university which teaches that black people are disadvantaged in the United Kingdom when Strand et al 2015 show they have a comparative advantage to whites due to their race in terms of educational attainment.

    It’s nonsense.

    Look at the studies that look at the matching patterns on, Tinder, Ok-Cupid, and online dating.com. Which encompass millions of people and samples.

    The model also suggested that those taking part in mixed-race marriages are, on average, more attractive than those in same-race marriages.

    It suggests no such thing.

    This study is as stupid and flawed as all the others cited in this thread.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  315. the jerk says:
    @Becky21k

    there are (possible) answers to that and some black africans are aware that they must answer this question…that they and their diaspora will never be taken seriously until a black country much more populous than the bahamas joins the ranks of developed countries.

    but black and ashknenazim are also overrepresented in entertainment. jazz has had many jewish muscians, but thelonious monk is its greatest genius./

  316. the jerk says:
    @Becky21k

    answers to that include:

    1. black african countries have fake silly borders european colonial powers gave them. they’re too diverse. they have no national identity. chisala’s own home country was formerly known as “northern rhodesia” and still has a significant white population.

    2. most of europe used to be a shithole too. how much abuse have the greeks taken from the germans recently when 2000 years ago the germans were illiterate filthy savages and the greeks were…NOT.

    3. population explosion in black africa which europe never had to go through. vaccines and antibiotics weren’t…in the early 19th c 1/3d of germans died from tb.

  317. @taylorseries

    Surely the black slaves who were sold by their black masters to the Europeans weren’t the brightest of their race. There may have been an enormous selection bias. If there was, their people who stayed would now be smarter on average because they got rid of their dumbest people.

    Look to West Africa for smart Blacks like Igbos and Yoruba who live where most slaves came from for the Europeans. Look at those further North who exported their slaves to the Arabs.

    Were European Jews always smart or did they have to be smart to avoid becoming Christians? The Ashkenazi may be a select group from a much larger population. Jews may have been able to be goldsmiths, money lenders or doctors but I don’t think they were allowed in the guilds for blacksmiths or carpenters. How did Jewish farm workers get on? How many became Christians?

    It may be that high intelligence in a group reflects the selection pressure from an unpleasant past from human or natural causes. There’s more than one way to get rid of your lower classes and that usually means a higher level of intelligence for those who remain. donthomson1@hotmail.com

  318. @Right_On

    There is a difference between normal keen scrabble players and world- and country champions.

    Standardizing IQ tests are normed with respect to the population you want to test, to account for local/temporal conditions in schooling etc. A standardized normed tests in Nigeria has a mean of about 100 and a standard deviation of ca 15. IQ tests were made to differentiate between individuals from similar backgrounds. It is idiotic to test Nigerians in Nigeria with tests normed for a British population and think this is a measure of genetic aptitude between the countries.
    One of my parents was tested in the 1930s and came out at over 2 standard deviations above the mean. With modern norms (Flynn-effect!), his IQ would be unremarkable, but that is a misleading assessment for in individual that proved exceptionally bright all through life and a long academic career.

    International Scrabble and international tournament math performance have no norming. Everybody competes on the same level. Math performance is dependent (among other things) on school curricula and the availability of top level learning material, both deficient in Nigeria. Scrabble needs less resources.

    Environmental and genetic factors are notoriously difficult to disentangle, but you cannot just dismiss counterevidence as irrelevant. Be aware that your evidence could be similarly dismissed.

  319. @j2

    A person with am IQ of 155 and a chessboard plus rule book might also be a weak chess
    player. There is no mastery in any area without application.

    • Replies: @j2
  320. @AKAHorace

    Most Europeans and most South Asians also know several languages.

  321. @chrimony

    If I remember rightly, Chanda pointed to the fact that the children of the immigrants excel more than their parents, and said they shouldn’t because of regression to the mean if their parents were really as much of an outlier cohort as suggested by many of the HBD crownd.

  322. @Oscar Peterson

    Said the Romans to the Germanics and Slavs in their mud huts.
    None of the evidence on either side is really conclusive.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  323. @Peter Frost

    (You should have clicked on ‘Reply’ button). Also, I will try to avoid CAPS this time, although I must say they helped to finally got through to you through strong emphasis on the concepts you were apparently failing to focus your consciousness on!

    Back to your response:

    This is why I attach so much importance to the data from 2009 to 2011: they show a rapid rise in GCSE results over a period of only three years.

    You’re still not getting it. This is not data for the whole nation, firstly. It is data from one small area, before I found *national* data.

    Secondly, and most importantly, you are making your conclusion by isolating only these two groups (Igbo and Yoruba) from the original table. When you see the many other African groups in that sample, you should see that your conclusion is clearly unwarranted. There is certainly no clear pattern to indicate that there was a rapid rise from 2009 to 2011 in this small area. It is more indicative of the stronger reflection of the variables in question *on a relatively small sample* in one area. (To take an extreme example, if one ethnic group has only 1 student, they will have a 0% pass rate if he fails and a 100% pass rate if he passes!) Here is the two groups in the context of many more African groups *in that small area*:


    From my first article: https://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

    Thirdly, as I have said many times, the “overperformance” of Nigerians is not restricted to the GCSEs. HBD scholar John Fuerst challenged my suggestion that their performance is also good on the SATs by doing a name analysis *at your suggestion.*

    Fuerst writes:

    “Recently, Peter Frost called for more investigations of the aptitude of Nigerian and African Black immigrants. This request was sparked by Chanda Chisala’s articles on the apparent superior performance of Nigerians in the UK.”
    https://humanvarieties.org/2015/10/28/using-surnames-to-assess-ethnic-aptitude/

    It’s a pretty technical piece, but his findings are unequivocal in his puzzled conclusion near the end:

    “…why do African Blacks do so well? And why do Nigerians apparently do no less well than Whites?”

    Therefore, whatever claims you are making about Nigerians and the (reliability of) GCSEs should be made about the SATs too because they apparently perform *at least as well as* whites *on both.*

    None of the GCSE skeptics (including Kirkegaard) ever explain this when I point it out to them, but it never stops them from continuing to spread their falsehoods far and wide.

    • Replies: @Peter Frost
  324. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Chanda,

    A difference of opinion between two people doesn’t necessarily mean that the other person “isn’t getting it.” There is another possibility.

    Let me address your criticisms point by point:

    1. We should dismiss the GSCE results that show wide year-to-year fluctuations because they are “local” – Non sequitur. If we have evidence of shenanigans in a local area, the same behavior may be occurring elsewhere. Evidence is evidence.

    2. We should dismiss the above GSCE results because the sample sizes are too small. That would be a legitimate objection, if true. There were 90 Yoruba kids for each of the three years in question. That is a robust sample size. In 2009, the Yoruba average was 39%. In 2010, it was 68%. In 2011, it was 75%.

    That increase from 39% to 75% in the space of three years was not due to individuals getting better. As you rightly pointed out, each year had a different cohort of Yoruba students. It wasn’t Yoruba individuals who were getting better. It was the Yoruba community that was getting better … at gaming the system.

    We live in a world that has low-trust societies and high-trust societies. In a high-trust society, like the UK, cheating is considered shameful and disreputable, regardless of whom you cheat. In a low-trust society, cheating is wrong only when you do it to friends and relatives. Several studies have shown that academic cheating is rife in West Africa:

    Examination malpractice in Nigeria has attained a frightening proportion and it is becoming more sophisticated as years pass by. Efforts by government and stakeholders to curtail this trend have not yielded much success. If this trend is not given an urgent attention, it may utterly destroy the quality of education in Nigeria. (Petters and Okon 2014)

    The implication of this study is that the cheating tendency is becoming endemic in Nigerian society. A situation where one in every four students tends to cheat in every examination calls for a significant moral questioning of our society. Even with a high level of supervision, as the results show, students are still prone to indulge in cheating behaviour. (Bisong et al. 2009)

    You can cheat on the SAT just as you can cheat on the GSCE. Try doing a Google search for “How Can I Cheat on the SAT?” Essentially, there are three methods: identity fraud; access to the material beforehand; and communication during the test.

    Identity fraud is very popular. Imagine you’re supervising an exam, and you suspect an African student is filling in for another African student. He shows you the student’s school card and another piece of ID. So what do you do? Do you really want to make a fuss? No you don’t.

    There is variation in cognitive ability among Africans, just as there is in any human population. And some African populations, like the Igbo, show good evidence of high cognitive ability. So an intelligent African student can make a lot of pocket money by renting himself out to other students. Please don’t tell me this doesn’t happen.

    References

    Bisong, N.N., F. Akpama, and P.B. Edet. (2009). Cheating Tendency in Examinations among Secondary School Students in Nigeria: a case study of schools in the Odukpani Local Government Area, Cross River State. Policy Futures in Education 7(4): 410-415.

    Petters, J.S., and M.O. Okon. (2014). Students’ Perception of Causes and Effects of Examination Malpractice in the Nigerian Educational System: The Way Forward for Quality Education. Procedia – Social and Behavioral Sciences 114: 125-129.

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
    , @Anonymous
  325. @Kratoklastes

    I would like to comment on the ethnic homogeneity question. I don’t know enough about Africa, but east of Vienna, it was simply impossible to achieve anything like homogeneous nation states by drawing borders (and without ethnic cleansing). You could not have carved out a state for the Kurds without protest by Armenians, Assyrians, Arabs and Turkic tribes who also claimed areas of the supposed Kurdish homeland. In much of the West, homogeneity was achieved by repression and assimilation (and short lived, as we now know). Almost all of eastern Germany used to be Slavonic speaking, now the descendants of the conquered are the most nationalist of Germans.

  326. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Peter Frost needs to appropriate the arguments that have been made about the constancy issue for the African GSCE pass-rates. By Flint Clint, and the anonymous poster.

    Because, as was predicted, we are now witnessing Mr Chisala, again, pretending those contentions do not exist.

    Chanda should actually present the data tables that he is relying on to evidence his statement:

    “Which is why we decided to look at the more NATIONAL samples (from Strand et al) and no such swings were seen at all: not even from 4th grade to 11th grade. Yoruba had approximately [the] same pass rate nationally in fourth grade and in 11th grade. As did Igbo”.

    Because are they the same ones from Strand et al 2015, that he cited in this link?

    https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/23323/EAL_and_educational_achievement2.pdf?sequence=1

    Again, how is it possible that there can be no swings in GSCE pass rates for Africans for any given age-range or period of time, if they are experiencing factors of variation that a) cause variance for everyone else; and b) are the explanation for the variance in the smaller sample, in addition to small sample size?

    Does the constancy hold for *all* the African tribes? Or just the Igbo and the Yoruba? Because if it’s actually just the historically dominant tribes, that would I think also mediate towards a verdict of something untoward. Because then you’ve have a higher magnitude anomaly relative to proximate samples and a more elongated pool of participants.

    We just need to know *precisely* what Chanda has in mind, when he made that statement about there being no swings at all in GSCE pass rates, for a population that is supposed to be subject to factors of massive variance in GSCE pass rates, that:
    – affect everyone else
    – which are used to explain the opposite outcome for a smaller sample of the same population, and
    – which are apparently the rationale for additional funding and assistance to a particular race, despite the race itself being identified in the same study as being an advantage for the extra funding recipients.

    Therefore, whatever claims you are making about Nigerians and the (reliability of) GCSEs should be made about the SATs too because they apparently perform *at least as well as* whites *on both.*

    Which goes back to the Flynn work on the graduating class of 1966 of Chinese-Americans.

    How is it possible that Chinese perform *at least as well as* whites on the SAT? When, as we have established which you thought was impossible, an elite population of Chinese-Americans with a much, much lower IQ then their contemporaries in the same environment achieved an IQ performance 21 points in excess of their genetic base?

    You said that was impossible.

    Again, Flynn’s work answers all challenges, or adds further layers of enquiry to all challenges. And whilst Chanda’s findings have positive implications for Africans in Great Britain, they have tremendously, amusingly negative implications for African Americans. Which is really interesting.

    And, remember, Flynn’s work can be and *is* part of the completely accepted, traditional model for IQ, which has always had a high factorisation for the environment. Flynn just supplemented environment factor with some apparent assistance from Thomas Sowell (i.e. Flynn refers to Sowell’s tracing of the genesis of terms like ‘cracker’ and African-American culture in his work).

    He never contended that IQ is invalid, he just posited a possible increase in weight for the environmental factor.

    It’s interesting how there is now an assumption that white people in the UK share the same environment as the immigrants who are being given vast extra funding and educational support, per Strand et al 2015. Is that still correct?

    A prior comment stated a number of reasons why actually, today there isn’t a shared environment. The environment for the Africans and other immigrants is actually better. One reason might be, per Strand et al 2015, which named both local and national regulations that redistribute resources to immigrants, that they receive vast extra investment of resources to meet their needs. Another is evidence of massive white mobility, another is evidence of white sufferance of various issues such as being the recipients of mass rape in places like Rotherham and 50 other towns etc.

    Immigrants are receiving a vast additional investment, which per Strand et al 2015, mitigates or removes by age 16 any disadvantage their immigrant status might have conferred upon them. Which isn’t evident in these apparent constant pass rates, of course. But it would actually be good to see those pass rates tabled – but people can be taken at their word.

    The SAT piece is indeed challenging – that’s a reasonable point. But then I come back to the Chinese doing as well as or better then whites on SATs, despite the findings from 1966.

    Then there is the issue of Selection Bias. Chanda has argued in the past that his data shows that university graduates are a relatively small fraction of the population in England, and that even then University graduates would top out at about IQ 82 in Africa.

    But in a prior post someone worked out you’d only need a slightly above average sample of around 62 percentile to make sense of high-school level marks, where you’re dealing with a white median, not a white selection bias.

    Also, my friends from Dubai inform me many Nigerians in England are very wealthy.

    What’s going to happen, is that everyone is going to loop around the bend and end up back where Flynn was 20 years ago, and settle on environment/culture as being the difference.

    If the debate on IQ was actually fair it would go something like this:

    Traditional IQ differentials are broadly correct (with the norming issue potentially understating African IQ levels just like it overstated Chinese IQ levels).
    That means differentials in contemporary white performance must be being caused primarily by degradation of their environment and also a loss of conscientiousness.
    Then, all these social analysts would ask what might be causing that.

    But there is about as much chance of that happening as Mr Chisala explaining the anomalous constancy he has cited despite the factors of massive variation issue, and why Flynn’s work on the Chinese-American graduating class of 1966 apparently doesn’t exist and has no relevance to anything.

    Because it’s like a circular firing squad of illogic that we have been presented with. If all those factors of variance are being to justify extra resourcing for EAL students, but the African students actually don’t experience any variance in their GSCE pass rates regardless of their circumstances, then why do African students need extra resourcing at all? And if Africans don’t experience any variance in their pass-rates, why do muslim students from Pakistan? Or Polish students? Or Albanians or Lithuanians?

    This is not a small issue. It’s a very large issue, that shouldn’t be danced around. The names and faces with the credentials should be cross-examining this issue.

    https://www.unz.com/article/reply-to-lance-welton-why-do-blacks-outperform-whites-in-uk-schools/?showcomments#comment-3590107

    Here is comment 228 from Chanda, explaining the leap from 38% to 69% for the Yoruba in that smaller sample:

    No. The reason the numbers were swinging so wildly in that data was the small samples, as I’ve previously tried to explain in other subsequent articles, compounded with the rnadom rates of annual tribal immigration. The newer immigrants perform quite poorly (compared to whites), whether they are from Igbo or Yoruba or Ghana etc, which points to the vast qualitative superiority of the British education system.

    So if the rates of annual tribal immigration from African to the UK are random, and therefore there are different numbers of children within any given cohort arriving at different times, and prior to age 5, and with different first languages (i.e. English vs Igbo etc), and some immigrants in a cohort are newer then others etc – why are there no swings according to Mr Chisala’s statement in African GSCE pass rates over time?

    Different cohorts in that national sample should be evincing swings in their GSCE pass-rates, again, based on all these factors of variation we are using to explain variance in other samples. Because within any given cohort, there should be sub-populations who are experiencing differential factors of variance affecting their educational attainment.

    Unless, all of those factors are false, which means Strand et al 2015 is useless, which opens up another can of worms entirely.

    How is that possible?

    Mr Frost, Mr Fuerst – how is that possible? How is Mr Chisala reconciling constancy with factors of massive variance in both directions? How?

    Now I could be wrong, because perhaps what Mr Chisala has said actually has a different meaning, but I’d like to hear that meaning. Mr Chisala should enlighten us as to what is meant by there being no swings, and 4th grade rates being apparently the same as the older age-group rates.

    Guys like Frost and Fuerst and Singer, and others should take up these arguments, examine them seriously for any validity, and present them publicly and put the challenge in a way that cannot be ignored. Because in a world where you have to have the ticket to make an argument, and ticket will be denied based on your race, arguments will be undertaken in a bubble unless they are made by the guys with legacy credentials.

    Because it’s easy to foresee a world in which the next Frost is denied a ticket, and therefore only those with tickets get to make any arguments and just ignore inconvenient truths to their argument.

    Massive factors of Variation = constancy of pass rates.

    How?

    If the whites are doing so poorly, irrespective of everything else, why aren’t we ceasing all funding to black Africans and redirecting that funding to the areas of need?

  327. @Peter Frost

    1. Why have you ignored the full table I just gave you? Are you truly unable to see that the full table refutes the imaginary pattern you saw that led to your conclusion about “Africans” on GCSEs?
    2. Why have you ignored the comment about Fuerst finding a similar pattern on the SATs?

    [You ignored the salient points and instead focused on attacking an argument I am not making: that the results should be “dismissed”. No, I am saying the results do not **warrant** your conclusion.]

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    , @Anonymous
  328. @Chanda Chisala

    OK, I just noticed you did respond re SATs: you conclude that they are also cheating on the SATs!

    Interesting. So, I guess they send someone else to sit for the SATs as you say they do on the GCSEs?

    Also: can I ask out of curiosity? If you find/prove that there is no cheating going on (on the SATs and GCSEs), are you going to abandon your hypothesis? What is it going ti mean if there is no cheating? Or are we just wasting each other’s time and you will just create some other ad hoc explanation?

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  329. @Anonymous

    let’s assume you are correct – lots of cheating. So what?

    That wasn’t the point of Chisala’s wonderful article.

    It’s point was that Scrabble was a proxy for high IQ, a point that doesn’t convince me.

    Jewish dominance or participation is not proof of a high-IQ prerequisite, unless we put the stereotype before the horse. Media articles be told (https://www.pressreader.com/israel/jerusalem-post/20051217/281762739665350), it’s pop-science.

    Scrabble is a rote-learning exercise, and a good one at that. It builds a certain kind of memory, and concentration. There is no dependency on IQ.

    http://www.iqscorner.com/2014/09/psychologists-have-compared-mental.html
    https://hawramani.com/on-the-scrabble-and-iq-debate-or-why-mastering-scrabble-doesnt-require-genius/

    Per Chisala’s mention of French Scrabble championships, which precede English copy by two decades, its champions hailed from Algeria as early as 1971. By 2020 they came from Senegal. French foreign policy, and investment in Francophonie? Oddly, Chisala’s article is quoted in the wikipedia entry for French Scrabble , which I find suspicious. (who are you Mr. Chisala? Ministry of UK propaganda?)

    Scrabble requires no understanding of the underlying language-
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jul/21/new-french-scrabble-champion-nigel-richards-doesnt-speak-french

    Maybe Chisala could contribute some original research? Poll your Igbo Scrabble friends and obtain their IQ average.

    Scrabble should compare to:

    World Sudoku championships
    America’s cross-word championship
    World Puzzle Championship
    World Go Championship

    -where no Africans are to be found.

    The explanations for Nigeria’s success reminds me of the Mongols at the World Memory Championship, UK dominance of Mensa membership, and Japanese under-performance at Chess (behind Nigeria!…and Kosovo)

    Nigeria boasts an unusually high investment in Scrabble. I think it’s good PR, and probably has some corporate involvement.
    https://medium.com/airbnbmag/nigerian-scrabble-2675ddbb55d1
    https://qz.com/africa/1744913/how-nigeria-got-so-good-at-winning-scrabble/

    Mongolian achievement in Memory games is state driven, and the result of very real cognitive advantages.
    http://www.world-memory-statistics.com/worldrankings.php

    Japan’s poor performance in chess is the result of a pathological inability to play anything but electronic games. They lose face playing face to face. UK’s prominence in Mensa is the result of it being founded in Oxford.

    I’m not obsessed with IQs, but I’ll believe in Bantu cognitive abilities when I see them. From my experience Nigerians are among the hardest workers in Africa, more patient and less impulsive than Benin, Togo, or Congo, with whom they share DNA. This might suffice for Srabble, but not for Chess or Backgammon.

    Anyone have a good DNA profile of Igbo and Yoruba?

  330. Slimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Accusing foreigners of cheating is a pretty desperate way of coping. Better to just accept reality for what it is and move on.

    As far as “sample size” is concerned, a small data set is all that’s needed if it provides you with a formula that predicts actual trends, as in the case of this study. There’s a reason white men are the biggest consumers of interracial porn and it’s not because the study is “stupid and flawed.”

    Lastly, current statistics from online dating sites have to be interpreted in the context that black men are largely uneducated and poor, relegated to a victim status that stigmatizes them as being in perpetual need of outside assistance. A world where African countries are educated, fairly well off and dignified produces different outcomes. That’s why so many white men literally have to believe in race and IQ. For if IQ differences are fixed, so too is the sexual market.

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  331. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    1. Why has Chanda ignored that he cannot use the same explanatory factors to explain 2 opposite and mutually exclusive outcomes?

    If that table shows high variance among the non-Yoruba African sub-tribes on their GSCE results due to the factors stated in Strand et al 2015, why have those factors had no effect on the Igbo and Yoruba in the larger national sample?

    How is it possible that a national sample of Igbo and Yoruba cannot be experiencing *any* of the factors of variation listed on page 8 in Strand et al 2015?

    Remember, there are 8 of those factors 1 Identified SEN 2 International arrival during the key stage 3 Pupil mobility 4 Ethnic group (where we learned being “Black African (4 NC months)” is actually advantageous for educational attainment relative to “White Other (10 NC months))” 5 Entitlement to FSM 6 Neighborhood deprivation 7 Region 8 Age 9 Gender.

    I think the most damning factors are probably international arrival during a key stage, neighborhood deprivation, age, and gender.

    The only way for there to be no impact of those factors on Igbo and Yoruba pass-rates in the national sample would before all of the children across all those different cohorts to be the same age, the same gender, live in the same neighbourhood (none in London) and all have arrived in England at the same time.

    Which is remarkable!

    Because children arriving in England at different times (i.e. Chanda said ‘random immigration’ explains black Africans going from 39% to 75% GSCE ‘pass-rates’ in 3 years) explains away variance in a smaller sample that is apparently totally absent from the larger population.

    Why is the pattern of Yoruba going from 39% to 75% in an impossible time-frame imaginary? Isn’t that what the table says? Isn’t 90 actually a large enough sample for small-sample bias to be dispelled?

    I think it would be really great and would serve the purpose of dispassionate objective scientific truth-finding if Chanda would present the data he is relying on from Strand et al 2015 that is in aid of his statement about Yoruba and Igbo showing ‘no swings’ in pass rates from about age 8-9 to age 15-16.

    That is absolutely incredible. Because the rates should actually be improving for the kids in the older cohorts, according to Strand et al 2015, because they’re older! But they aren’t. It doesn’t matter if it’s the same kid or not. Because the factor applies to all cohorts, regardless of the base they started from, and that group effect should assist the older kids relative to younger kids – if each cohort is representative, and not, you know, subject to selection bias.

    That’s what is so interesting, because one of the only valid ways to explain away these results is selection bias – which of course defeats all of Chanda’s arguments that we’re not assessing selected Africans. Interesting.

    Maybe Selection Bias to dispel the reasonable perception of cheating is the best recourse.

    It really does look like there is a pass-rate quota/floor and/or some form of group-level cheating taking place which is ensuring that everyone is getting the same results. Perhaps that floor will move up some believable stories over time to include more of these highly meritable and necessary Africans, who never ever cheat, certainly not at the rate of 1 in 4 in all of their exams in Nigeria.

    Mr Frost should look into it! If Chanda provided his data, serving as the exhibit for his comment, we could all look at how those factors operate in minute scrutinised detail. No doubt they will be forthcoming, post-haste.

    2. Why does Chanda keep disrespecting James Flynn by pretending his work studying the Chinese American graduating class of 1966 under the title ‘Chinese-Americans and obsolete norms’ doesn’t exist?

    It’s as if the phenomena of people with lower genetic IQ outperforming people with a higher genetic IQ to the magnitude of 21 IQ points, has never before existed.

    What is it going ti mean if there is no cheating?

    Well, could it be possible that it might mean the same thing as it did for those Chinese-Americans whose Igbo-like outcomes who have been studied for years and decades?

    It’s starting to become unbearable. Why doesn’t someone go away, and actually read the studies that he said couldn’t possibly exist to learn the answers to those exact questions?

    It’s as if none of this has ever been studied before – when there is ‘decades’ worth of work on the phenomena. That someone hasn’t read. It’s actually, starting to become unbearable.

    But Flynn’s work is unlikely to be applicable in the same manner as it was for the Chinese evincing the same phenomena, because this looks a lot more like cheating.

    Why doesn’t someone go away and learn about Flynn to answer their queries, and explain how the same explanatory factors can be used to explain 2 opposite and mutually exclusive outcomes for the same populations measured in different samples.

  332. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    I had promised myself I would not post a comment on this thread, because (a) measured against,e.g., the “Covid-19” related conduct of too many states’ governments and that conduct’s objectives, your article, and your defensive comments, bear little import and (b) I owe my unlawfully incarcerated innocent client near-all my time today.

    But when I skimmed your comment to which this note responds, I could not resist a wee retort, for it epitomizes, ludicrously, the whole complex of thrusts of your ethno-apologetic emotional tracts pretending to be probative objective science and statistics.

    I lack time enough to proofread the text that follows. I type badly. I commit typing/editing errors. I apologize now for any typing/editing errors that may mar the following text.

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    A lighthearted start may be best:

    Wrong:

    All Martians have green hair.
    I have green hair.
    Therefore, I am a Martian.

    Right:

    All Martians have green hair.
    I am a Martian.
    Therefore, I have green hair.

    Much, your logic is that of the first syllogism.

    One ought not be amazed by learning that fine mathematicians tend to play scrabble very well. Scrabble is not a game of words, but of linear, inside-out, retrograde, retrograde-inside-out inversions and other shufflings of elements of symbol-strings. So, the mathematician’s skill translates readily and well into scrabble-playing.

    But the proposition “math whizzes tend to be scrabble-whizzes” does not imply (either logically or empirically) the proposition “scrabble whizzes tend to be math whizzes.”

    Likewise, the proposition “highly intelligent people tend to play scrabble well” does not imply the proposition “highly successful scrabble players tend to be highly intelligent.” [I grant you that if one is stupid, likely one will play scrabble poorly. But such reality does not imply that scrabble-playing-“success” implies intelligence markedly higher than stupid.

    I have been submitted to four IQ tests. My scores were 163, 167, 176, 182. [The 163 and 182 scores may be a bit questionable, since they are more than one sample S.D. off the 172 mean.] I have achieved notable success in law, medicine, formal logic, math-and-statistics, and, oddly, fiction-writing. I am published in all those fields, and my publications have earned wide respect.

    I adore cooking haute cuisine, carpentry, furniture-making, plumbing, and performing some repairs of my 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero 6-cyl, XWD. I have built, plumbed, and wired a house. I have trained a Border Collie to be a national sheep-herding champion. I do carpentry, furniture-making, plumbing, and dog-training very well. Near-every-day, I do haute-cuisine cooking (and, in my misspent youth, was executive chef of a 3-star NYC restaurant).

    But one ought not expect that more-than-rather-few successful haute-cuisine chefs, carpenters, furniture-makers, plumbers, auto-mechanics, electricians, or dog-trainers may be ace mathematicians or even have IQs higher than, say, 110. Such is empirically impossible.

    Your logic is often anti-logic, and your empiricism is much vitally flawed, not only in your comment to which this note replies, but also in your other comments and in you article.

    More than few other commenters’ comments deserve severe criticism. Their problems are like yours.

    Example:

    One commenter asserted something like this: If a person speaks a complex language, likely she will play scrabble well. Another commenter observed that Han Chinese speak a simple language yet play scrabble well. Both erred.

    Han Chinese writing is ideogrammatic, not alphabetical/verbal/grammatical. It is a complex interplaying/combining of rather simple symbols, quite as math is. It is not a set of words or word-stems, or any other such. It is more like a method of forming quasi-equations that translate into ideas expressible as words, phrases, clauses, sentences……. Also, the Han Chinese tend to do math well.

    So, one ought not be amazed if a Chinese plays, say, English-language scrabble very well, despite — and even partly because — Han Chinese languages have virtually zero grammar but, instead, bear idea-elements organizable as speech that, albeit lacking grammatic accountings of tense, person, and mood, can express anything that any Indo-European language can.

    The Han Chinese can be good English-language scrabble players quite BECAUSE they are not hampered by rules of grammar and disction-usage like those of Latin or formal, “elegant” English, but treat words as symbol-clusters susceptible to being manipulated as one may manipulate math-symbols within basic algebra, analytic geometry, the calculus, abstract algebra, scalar multiplication, ring theory, inverse ring theory, matrix multiplication, quaternion multiplication, number theory, set theory, Bayesian calculus, Boolean algebra, propositional calculus…….

    But Han Chinese scrabble-playing success does not imply that a person will not play scrabble well if he speaks a complex language involving complex grammar and complex writing/printing expressing a complex alphabet or other complex universe of linguistic elements — a language like English, Hindi, or French.

    Much, your arguments’ logics parallel the illogic of the commenter who suggested that scrabble-playing-success correlates significantly positively with the complexity of the native language or languages spoken by the scrabble player.

    One fundamental flaw is your not accounting whether, and if so how or to what degree, a scrabble-player’s non-linguistic cognition may be offset, or amplified, by structural ambiguity, simplicity, or relative clarity of the player’s primary tongue. A player’s performance must be influenced by the player’s primary ordinary (non-math) language’s arbitrary, even illogical, rules, like French double negatives pretending to be negatives (as in “Je ne mange viande jamais” or “Je ne mange jamais de viande.” )

    Another example:

    One commenter suggested (with strong empirical support and sound logic) that good-scrabble-player/academically successful Nigerian-ethnic U.K. Blacks may owe their successes to their being of specific Nigerian ethnicities that, in Nigeria, had tended to engage in trade-industries. That commenter’s pont was that trade-industry-success requires relatively high intelligence and, therefore, the trading industry selects for relatively high intelligence.

    Another commenter responded that if being a trade-industry participant enhances one’s intelligence, then intelligence is a product of “nurture,” not genetic structure

    But the first commenter’s point was NOT that trade-industry-participation increases one’s intelligence, but that one must be relatively intelligent to succeed in trade industries and, hence, trade industries select for intelligence.

    Again, your “logic” is like that of the commenter who confounded being selected for intelligence with having intelligence because of being selected. Your arguments disregard or discount illegitimately the likelihood that academically successful U.K. Nigerian Blacks were selected for their intelligence.

    Were/are academically successful U.K. Blacks, their parents, or their earlier forbears, e.g., members of tribes or communities engaged much in trade-industry— so that quite because they were engaged in that industry, they, their parents, or their earlier forebears self-selected, or were selected by the British, to immigrate to the U.K. Were/are most, a majority, or sizeable plurality of non-selected or deselected Nigerian Blacks significantly less intelligent or significantly less able to achieve notable academic success?

    I have not encountered anything you have written that refutes, empirically, logically, or statistically, the work, methods, evidence, or conclusions of Jensen. Mean Black intelligence is lesser than that of Ashkenazi Jews, East Asians, and White Europeans.

    I hasten to observe that the relatively low mean Black intelligence does not deny that some, perhaps a notable number of Blacks are markedly intelligent and some substantial number more intelligent than most Whites, East Asians, or Ashkenazi Jews.

    Jensen wrote that a Black American girl (I believe a young teenager) got the highest IQ score he had encountered. He said also that American Blacks’ intelligence is rather low much because Black slaves were selected for brawn and diffidence and deselected for intelligence and that highly successful American Blacks ought to procreate more, voluntarily, and press unsuccessful and troublous American Blacks to cease procreating or procreate less, so that American Black intelligence would rise by natural selection.

    I am not foolish enough to assert that your articles are utterly flawed; they do bear interesting and sometimes well-argued propositions.

    I observe only that your arguments suffer vital flaws that render their conclusions invalid.

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  333. @Loup-Bouc

    But when I skimmed your comment to which this note responds, I could not resist a wee retort, for it epitomizes, ludicrously, the whole complex of thrusts of your ethno-apologetic emotional tracts pretending to be probative objective science and statistics.

    I normally do not respond to silly and disrespectful commenters like this person, but I will respond just one time to his nonsensical argument below, just in case some innocent reader gets deceived by his vacuous verbosity and misses his basic straw man fallacy (especially since he also claims to have some genius IQ!)

    One ought not be amazed by learning that fine mathematicians tend to play scrabble very well. Scrabble is not a game of words, but of linear, inside-out, retrograde, retrograde-inside-out inversions and other shufflings of elements of symbol-strings. So, the mathematician’s skill translates readily and well into scrabble-playing.

    But the proposition “math whizzes tend to be scrabble-whizzes” does not imply (either logically or empirically) the proposition “scrabble whizzes tend to be math whizzes.”

    Likewise, the proposition “highly intelligent people tend to play scrabble well” does not imply the proposition “highly successful scrabble players tend to be highly intelligent.”

    From the first sentence above, you can see how he is constructing a straw man argument that he will get ready to attack. No one has claimed to have discovered that “fine mathematicians tend to play scrabble very well.” Neither have I made the claim that “math whizzes tend to be scrabble-whizzes,” nor derived from this the conclusion that (therefore) “scrabble whizzes tend to be math whizzes.”

    What has been *found* (by observation) is that “Scrabble whizzes tend to be math whizzes” (to use his terms), *not* “math whizzes tend to be scrabble whizzes.” Therefore I could not have derived the former from the latter. [In short, it was Scrabble experts who were observed for math aptitude, not math experts for Scrabble aptitude.]

    Similarly, I have not said “highly intelligent people tend to play Scrabble well” and have certainly not derived from this the conclusion that “highly successful players tend to be highly intelligent.” No, the latter is what was *directly observed* by the researchers cited by both Lynn and I.

    He just makes up this fallacious syllogism and claims that it was how I arrived at my conclusion (in the post he is responding to), and then triumphantly attacks that straw man!

    He sounds as misguided as this other one: https://www.unz.com/article/nigerians-jews-and-scrabble-an-update-on-the-iq-debate/#comment-4498604

    OK, enough from me.

  334. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Still, I lack time enough to proofread my text. I type badly. I commit typing/editing errors. I apologize now for any typing/editing errors that may mar the following text.

    I note that my one previous comment suffered a three typing errors, one that looks like an instance of number-disagreement. I shall not correct those error, because they do not threaten to mislead and the correction would steal much space. I regret more seeing that in two instances my one previous comment failed to avoid separating subject from verb — a failure that causes my pride great pain. I hope I do not commit such error in the following text.

    ==============

    Either you do not recognize that you put the argument my comment attacked or you stoop to deny falsely that you put that argument. Perhaps you think you did not mean what you said. Alas, such is not possible. Language does not convey meaning (as if thoughts played cargo of a ship of syntax). Language constitutes meaning (as lust whelps hunger and hunger lusts).

    If you say you did not mean what you have written, you had three thoughts, acted three meanings: You wrote one. You thought (“meant”) another. You said a third (that you meant not what you wrote).

    March Hare: “Then you should say what you mean.” ….
    Alice: “I do”…“at least—at least I mean what I say—that’s the same thing, you know.”
    Hatter: “Not the same thing a bit ! … You might just as well say that ‘I see what I eat’ is the same…as ‘I eat what I see’ ! ”
    March Hare: “You might just as well say…that ‘I like what I get’ is the same…as ‘I get what I like’!”

    Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

    Alice: “I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory’.” [Sic]
    Humpty Dumpty: “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you’ !” [Sic]
    Alice: “But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’.”
    Humpty Dumpty: “When I use a word…it means just what I choose it to mean….”

    Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

    In your comment that I criticized — your comment of March 3, 2021 at 4:20 am GMT (comment # 263) — to rebut Anatoly Karlin’s comment, you quoted yourself thus:

    To confirm the conclusion that top Scrabble players are highly intelligent individuals with exceptional mathematical talents, I looked at some academic backgrounds of the top players in Western countries (where the developed educational environment supports a much higher academic achievement correlation with such abilities). I indeed found that a disproportionately large number of the very top players have a background in math or computer science and not much in language or literature, especially as the organized competitiveness of the game has grown over the years. Economists are also quite well-represented, probably due to its heavier math component compared to the other social sciences.

    The highest rated American Scrabble player, David Wiegand, was a math major in college, and he comes from an incredibly mathematical family pedigree. His father and mother are highly distinguished math professors, as were his maternal grandparents and even his great-grandparents!

    The surprise 2016 North American Scrabble winner, David Gibson, who won the championship again after winning it twenty-two years earlier, is also a math professor.

    Joe Edley, the first person to win the American national championship three times, majored in mathematics and philosophy. Even Mack Meller, the youngest top Scrabble expert in the US, also just happened to win the national championship for the mathematical game, KenKen. Meller has been a student of a super-selective gifted program by Stanford University.

    Outside the US, the highest rated Canadian player, Adam Logan, a former world champion, is also a mathematician. He received his first degree in mathematics from Princeton and his PhD from Harvard. He was a two-time Putnam Fellow – the most distinguished mathematical achievement for undergraduate students in North American universities.

    And on those premises, to rebut Karlin, you asserted this:

    So, his [Karlin’s] flippant statement is easily falsified on two fronts: 1. We know that the people who play Scrabble in America are actually “high IQ denizens” (confirmed by both their profiles and actual cognitive tests — Lynn, 2017..)
    2. They are actually more involved in Scrabble than Nigerians are (numbers show).

    Together with the premise of your self-quote’s content, your point “1.” and your point “2.” form the argument that Karlin’s criticism was false because mathematicians are scrabble whizzes.

    Your argument sought to rebut this proposition: Being a scrabble whizz says little or nothing concerning intelligence or does not prove high intelligence, hence Black Nigerians’ scrabble successes do not prove they are markedly intelligent.

    Your rebuttal reduces to this: Math whizzes are scrabble whizzes. Since Nigerians are scrabble whizzes, they must be intelligent as math whizzes, who are among humanity’s most intelligent folks.

    The problem is that your argument is like the wrong syllogism I put in my one previous comment:

    All Martians have green hair.
    I have green hair.
    Therefore I am a Martian.

    That math whizzes are good scrabble players does not imply that good scrabble players are, or could be, math whizzes.

    To rebut my comment, you state, inter alia, this:

    I normally do not respond to silly and disrespectful commenters like this person, but I will respond just one time to his nonsensical argument below, just in case some innocent reader gets deceived by his vacuous verbosity and misses his basic straw man fallacy (especially since he also claims to have some genius IQ!)

    Rather ironic: Your retort’s style is quite the style you attribute to my comment’s treatment of your arguments. You are a bit touchy, sir. Trying to rebut Karlin, you wrote: …”sounds like his usual silly rhetoric” and “his [Karlin’s] flippant statement….”

    My one previous comment was not nasty as you took it to be. It closed thus:

    I am not foolish enough to assert that your articles are utterly flawed; they do bear interesting and sometimes well-argued propositions.

    I observe only that your arguments suffer vital flaws that render their conclusions invalid.

    You are, alas, somewhat pitiable. You struggle, scrape, and contort to prove Blacks are smarter than Whites because you are a Black who feels unjustly minimized with, you insist, fallacious or specious [i.e., (you think) bigoted] studies of “racial” IQs.

    But, sadly, you do not content yourself with your being a very intelligent fellow — very intelligent despite your arguments’ fallacies that you thrust upon yourself with your unfortunate emotional zeal determined to prove most Blacks really have high IQs despite the contrary indication of all those “bigoted” IQ-test results.

    You do show you are conversant with statistical method. Your English usage is rather sophisticated. You gather pertinent data competently as a competent attorney would (though sometimes you put data to illogical use). You would be clear proof that being Black can consist with being intelligent. You spoil that proof when you put specious arguments that pursue your emotional need.

    In your article, you reproduce a chart of “HBD book, Erectus Walks Amongst Us.” The chart asserts that the mean sub-Saharan [Black] IQ is 67 and that, therefore, the average sub-Saharan [Black]’s intelligence is equal to that of an 11-years-old White child. Your respond angrily:

    This claim — fully developed black adults are cognitive equals of whites when they are only 11 years old — predicts that whatever can be cognitively achieved by the best of African adult brains can equally be achieved by the best of 11 year old white brains (the best 12 and 13 year old whites would be too smart for the best black African adults!) This obvious absurdity is just one of the many real-life empirical refutations of the racial genetic hypothesis that I’ve constantly pointed out to HBDers, but which they refuse to acknowledge without giving any explanation.

    But your responds disproves nothing, except the occurrence of your anger.

    I found the HBD chart markedly questionable.

    (1) The chart clashes with the Rushton & Jensen findings:
    Rushton & Jensen, “Race and IQ: A theory-based review of the research in Richard Nisbett’s Intelligence and how to get it,” The Open Psychology Journal, 3, Article 9-35 (2010), https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-18869-001 — “Jewish” mean IQ = 113, East Asian (106), White (100), Hispanic (90), South Asian (87), Black American (85), sub-Saharan Black (70)

    (2) Its language “Equivalent Age of White Child” is word-salad. Does that language relate White child age with any certain age of the various non-White races the chart addresses? Does that language relate a certain-age non-White with a White child having some certain IQ?

    (3) The category “Europeans (all races)” is a useless consideration. Europe’s population includes individuals of all or virtually all races of the world, perhaps except the Kalahari Bushman [San] “race” (which appears to be essentially part of a larger “race” of the Bushman “race” and the Hottentot “race”). And Europe’s widely diverse racial make-up has shifted markedly, often.

    * [Side-Note:
    I recall reading a report of South African psychology experiments that tested Bushman [San] intelligence and obtained astounding results. The San society or “race” had been unchanged for 40,000 years. That society, a very primitive hunter-gatherer society, knew virtually zero need or use of “abstract” thought.

    Yet the San [Bushman] experiment group was able to develop remarkable algebra and geometry facility in (if I recall correctly) just a few months, around a half-year. I read the San [Bushman] experiment report when I was composing a paper I would deliver at an annual world conference of the International Academy of Law & Mental Health. This morning, I searched my records for the report, unsuccessfully, for about a half-hour, then ceased searching for need of returning to my professional work.
    End Side-Note] *

    I regret that you did not appreciate my one previous comment’s including this [which I shall edit slightly to correct a typing/editing error]:

    I hasten to observe that the relatively low mean Black intelligence does not deny that some, perhaps many, Blacks are markedly intelligent, and some substantial number more intelligent than most Whites, East Asians, or Ashkenazi Jews.

    Jensen wrote that a Black American girl (I believe a young teenager) got the highest IQ score he had encountered. He said also that American Blacks’ intelligence is rather low much because Black slaves were selected for brawn and diffidence and deselected for intelligence and that highly successful American Blacks ought to procreate more, voluntarily, and press unsuccessful and troublous American Blacks to cease procreating or procreate less, so that American Black intelligence would rise by natural selection.

    I shall not trouble you with more comments.

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  335. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Perhaps I can put the argument against your notion that Africans are normally intelligent people in a way that you will understand if not accept.

    IQists believe:

    1. IQ tests evaluate something called g or general intelligence.

    2. General intelligence underlies aptitude for any intellectual operation from musical composition, to the higher math, architecture, path-finding in the wilderness, position awareness on the soccer field, and chess.

    3. Africans have low IQ’s.

    Therefore:

    African achievement at Scrabble proves that Scrabble is not a game requiring intellectual ability.

    QED

    To reject that conclusion one must reject either the belief that:

    (a) IQ tests provide a valid measure of g, or

    (b) that g is the major determinant of every form of intellectual aptitude.

    Concerning (a) principle component analysis confirms the existence of a common factor, which we can call g, that accounts for some of the variation in performance on the various components of an IQ test.

    But in evaluating this fact it must be noted that:

    (A) the common factor g accounts for only a small proportion of the variation in performance on the various components of an IQ test; and

    (B) an IQ test evaluates intellectual performance on only a very limited range of intellectual tasks — mainly tasks dependent on numeracy and literacy.

    Concerning (A), one may suppose that g reflects something rather basic, such as cardio-vascular health, i.e., the capacity to keep the brain well supplied with oxygen.

    Concerning (B), the point to note is that numeracy and literacy largely depend on schooling, which I believe is limited for the majority of Africans.

    To sum up, therefore, one can say that IQ tests as a comparative measure of intelligence among national groups are a sad joke, or a sordid hoax.

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  336. @Loup-Bouc

    This person somehow claims that this statement from me:

    We know that the people who play Scrabble in America are actually “high IQ denizens”

    IS EQUAL TO saying that
    “People who are high IQ in America are good at Scrabble.”

    And this statement from me

    top Scrabble players are highly intelligent individuals with exceptional mathematical talents,

    IS EQUAL TO making the claim that:
    “Individuals who are highly intelligent (with exceptional mathematical talents) are necessarily good at Scrabble.”

    What he believes my statements equal to are what he is calling my “premises” (and he actually agrees with those “premises,” except they are his, not mine.) Because he can’t see his own error in equating those statements, it is impossible to show him why everything he says after that is a one big straw man fallacy.

    Rather ironic: Your retort’s style is quite the style you attribute to my comment’s treatment of your arguments. You are a bit touchy, sir. Trying to rebut Karlin, you wrote: …”sounds like his usual silly rhetoric” and “his [Karlin’s] flippant statement….”

    Yes, I normally avoid responding to rude people like you (and Karlin et al) because I have no reason to be polite to a disrespectful person. I responded to the Karlin statement because the person who asked me the question (politely) was genuinely curious about my response to his misleading (and incredibly silly) comments.

    I regret that you did not appreciate my one previous comment’s including this [which I shall edit slightly to correct a typing/editing error]:

    I hasten to observe that the relatively low mean Black intelligence does not deny that some, perhaps many, Blacks are markedly intelligent, and some substantial number more intelligent than most Whites, East Asians, or Ashkenazi Jews.

    Again, you mischaracterize my position so that you can easily kill your own straw man edifice. I have never said that my opponents deny that some/many blacks are more intelligent than whites etc. If they had said that, my job would be much easier. So again, you waste my time by straw-manning my position and then explaining to me why I am wrong — for believing what I do not believe!

    Finally:

    I found the HBD chart [from ‘Erectus Walks Amongst Us’] markedly questionable.

    (1) The chart clashes with the Rushton & Jensen findings:…
    (2) Its language “Equivalent Age of White Child” is word-salad.

    Really? Let’s quote some Rushton for you then:

    An IQ of 70 in adults, then, is equivalent to a mental age of about 11 years. This would make the normal range of mental ages found in Africa to be from less than 9 years to almost 14 years.

    Eleven-year-olds, of course, are not retarded. They can drive cars, build houses, and work in factories if supervised properly. Eleven-year-olds can even wage war—and do so in many parts of the world.

    Indeed they can. Can they [11 year olds] also win world championships in … anything??? Let alone a “cognitively demanding” game as per Lynn???
    Source: https://vdare.com/articles/solving-the-african-iq-conundrum-winning-personality-masks-low-scores

    OK, now I truly resign. Thanks, your last post was at least better, even if you still rudely endeavored to psychologize what you imagine are my innermost motivations for debating this topic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Loup-Bouc
  337. j2 says:
    @Occasional lurker

    “A person with am IQ of 155 and a chessboard plus rule book might also be a weak chess
    player. There is no mastery in any area without application.”

    Quite so. All you can count on with high IQ is to do well in school if you try at least not to
    fail, and to learn fast almost any mental task, but to master anything on competition
    level you have to train it.

    But Chisela’s argument’s problem is to take some small group, like a small number of black students in the UK (where there is immigration selection as it is a country where people like
    to go, take the results from refugees in some less wanted country, so the school results are
    usually clearly below the country standard, while refugees probably are a rather random
    sample). Or he takes some task, like a game, and argues that you need high IQ for this task
    and therefore the country IQ average must be high. It does not need to be high.

    Nigeria has 200 million people. With average genetic IQ of 85
    (i.e., the potential, provided that the schools were on Western level, which they are not),
    you do have >600 people over IQ 155, quite enough to win Scrabble, if that needs such a
    high IQ to win.

    But I doubt it needs. I have seen people who do not have a high IQ to do sudoku very well.
    (at least better than me, but they have more time for such passtime)
    Such games do not need super high IQ. Some top players may have IQ >155, some may
    be top players with much less.

    It is a wrong test. Measure effective country IQ with normal IQ tests. Measure genetic
    abilities (IQ provided that education and other environment is fine) with
    tests that do not measure education (like progressive matrices) with a representative
    sample and that gives the result. What for the arguments of small groups of immigrants
    or top players on some game? But it is already measured. East Asians beat Africans
    in progressive matrices.

  338. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    It’s not ‘desperate’.

    My personal circumstances are fine.

    It’s proven – The Myth of American Meritocracy has proven that Jews, like us, (or you could be Nigerian) are getting an admission rate quota in the Ivy League. It’s not desperate – Unz proved it. National Merit Awards and their ethnic composition should be reflected in Ivy League admissions. They aren’t. Jews are something like 500% overrepresented, relative to their NMA recipience. Whites are at something like 25% of their merit, and Asians about 75%.

    Was it desperate when the Jewish community successfully accused the WASPS of locking them out of the Ivy League? No, it was highly effective. Now they’re ‘actually’ doing what they accused others of.

    Is it desperate when Africans in Britain demand that Oxford remove all of it’s white founders from pictures in the halls – when Oxfords research actually shows being black in England is more advantageous for educational attainment then being ‘white-other’ because of the vast extra and undeserved resources they’re given? Shouldn’t they just cope?

    No, it was highly effective. The pictures are coming down, reality be damned.

    White activism is so effective, a single day of it means 60 thousand troops have to be brought into the US capital. It’s absolutely astounding. It’s just barely beginning.

    One of the reasons white men watch interracial porn is because the pornsites ‘push’ it at the white men, along with ‘step-families’. I know a thing or two about how you run websites. If they’re data-sharing, they can get a pretty good understanding of ethnicity of browser/user, and then give them the desired subversive experience.

    That’s the one thing I will say in defense of those, consumers. But yes, I acknowledge that there are white guys who seem to like interracial porn. Although it would seem so do the black men – poor black women.

    A world where African countries are educated, fairly well off and dignified produces different outcomes. That’s why so many white men literally have to believe in race and IQ. For if IQ differences are fixed, so too is the sexual market.

    Which again, is just another composition of the endless motif that only white racism and white this or that is the reason why every black man in the whole world isn’t Idris Elba, sucking off Jews in order to get his haute-cuisine and access to Trudeau’s wife.

    You’re wrong, Slimer.

    White men are in fact now receiving the benefits of a) being perceived as dangerous and victimized b) being minority status c) being exotic to the non-whites, who desperately hanker for those green/hazel/blue eyes and red/blonde/auburn hair we possess. African women really love white hair. And the endless subversion and cheating and criminality etc is causing a certain appealing hardness.

    And the world where African countries are educated, fairly well off and dignified is a very long way away still indeed. Yes, there are some countries now growing very fast who aren’t having vicious civil wars. Lets see what would happen if all the Chinese and white money stopped flowing in. All it’s taken is about 10 Marshall plans.

    And you project. Why would it be a bad thing if the sexual market was fixed? I thought blacks were the sexual apex in the sexual market, and whites were worthless cucks and little boys right? Hopelessly outmatched by the black men in all their Wakandan glory. Wouldn’t it be better to fix that state of affairs in place right now?

    Oh because clearly, actually, you don’t perceive that to be true, maybe because it isn’t true, like most of the other things you have said. It’s certainly not true in the United States – and you don’t understand that those perceptions you stated actually assist those populations – why do refugees get such abundant sympathy from European women who are currently paying toll in vast numbers?

    South Africa is one of those countries where you have a large, so-called successful black population atwixt a population of white people who are in a state of relative economic and political servitude and weakness.

    The Tinder numbers don’t lie there either.

    Ah yes, South Africa – is that one of those dignified and successful black countries? They cannot successfully run their water sanitisers. How is that possible? I thought the Bantu were like the Igbo? Why is it, that these dignified successful African countries seemingly cannot successfully run their basic infrastructure? Why is it, that when their sexual apex superior IQ denizens are given vast amounts of hidden affirmative action in the West, likewise, suddenly the infrastructure stops working there as well? It’s very puzzling.

    ‘Slimer’. Yeah. That’s about right.

    Don’t worry Slimer – one day you too, might successfully have lighter children then yourself. That basically seems to be the basic thrust of what you’re saying.

    It’s interesting how Chisala says that Britain even today, has an education system that is incomparably qualitatively superior to the system in Africa.

    Why is that?

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  339. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    An IQ of 70 in adults, then, is equivalent to a mental age of about 11 years. This would make the normal range of mental ages found in Africa to be from less than 9 years to almost 14 years.

    Yes, this is the source of one of Flynn’s IQ paradoxes, that he stated essentially in those terms Chanada has used.

    Because, you know what else Flynn points out? White people’s grandparents and great-grand parents ostensibly would have *also* had the intelligence of a modern white child aged 9-14 years. So there was an additional limb to that paradox.

    He then formulated a brilliant line of study in which he sought answers to those apparent paradoxes.

    That Chanda has not read. It is absolutely apparent, that even now, Chanda STILL has not read Flynn and therefore can be taken to have failed to read many others. This remark that basically states Flynn’s paradox in almost the same words without acknowledging it’s source is yet another example.

    Because he keeps making these statements that make that absolutely abundant. Again, it’s as if there aren’t decades of brilliant research on the 2 questions that have stricken Chanda with their apparent uniqueness and freshness – my God, surely no one but Mr Chisala and his Marxist friends have EVER thought about these issues before?:

    1) How can people with lower genetic IQ’s perform better on tasks then people with higher IQ’s

    Like the Chinese, and actually the Jews, because their small population and much lower average (again, due to the norming issue and selection bias) means the larger US white population contains a much higher number of high IQ individuals.

    2) How is it possible for competent high functioning people to nonetheless score low on IQ tests and seemingly obtain IQ results that aren’t congruent with that competence and high functioning?

    You know – like white people from the 1920s, and late 17th and 18th centuries. That scholars like Flynn studied. For decades and decades, and now, it’s as if all their work never existed. Never existed to the truth-tellers like Chanda. I remember reading that idiot poltroon SwankNastY in between his remarks about raping white women being very very disrespectful and dismissive to Flynn. No doubt in time, now that he’s safely dead, all of his writings will be flushed down the memory hole as well, by these big brave bristling black truth-tellers.

    Chanda isn’t not going to respond to the posters pointing out the absolute stupidity of his trying to use the same explanatory factors to explain two opposite mutually exclusive outcomes.

    He’s not going to respond, because he is going to try and pretend the problem doesn’t exist. Not because people are rude, but because their arguments are correct, as he knows, and he’s been caught out. Constricted in a position where he has now argued the same explanatory factors are the basis for two equal and opposite mutually exclusive outcomes in terms of GSCE pass-rates for Africans in Britain.

    He has two choices

    1) The Yoruba in the smaller sample are cheating, like they cheat rampantly in Nigeria and Africa; or
    2) The Yoruba and Igbo who have a constant rate of passing in the national sample despite experiencing factors of massive variance that affect literally everyone else, are cheating, like they cheat rampantly in Nigeria and Africa.

    And to a lesser degree a third choice:

    3) The African sub-tribes with results that indicate cheating are actually impossibly statistically constant and successful relative to everyone else because they are *very* highly selected. And that explains the anomaly, partially (there will still have to be some recognition of cheating).

    Those are the choices. They aren’t rude choices. They’re just the choices. But he will pretend those byroads don’t exist.

    Just like Chanda pretends that all this scholarship on these precise questions, with studies that he said were impossible, doesn’t exist – because it actually answers his questions. It just does it in a way that is inopportune for his agenda. Because it explains that relative genetic IQ quantums are roughly correct (except Jews are way lower, Chinese a bit lower, maybe blacks a bit higher), and emphasizes environment and conscientiousness for out-performances.

    And he STILL doesn’t understand that a) the norming issue exists b) it might actually have POSITIVE ramifications for his people. It’s absolutely pathetic.

    And it’s equally clear now having read almost all this gentleman’s work that Mr Chisala has almost no understanding of how environment factor works in relation to IQ.

    Why? Because he and his little set of liars, are saying (even if they don’t realise it) that the environment in Great Britain is still equal for the white population in the public schools there. When the papers that they produce openly state that the EAL students are being given *vast* amounts of additional resourcing, ignoring all the evidence of white mobility (which is a Strand et al 2015 factor) and also the evidence of white victimhood (the vast sea of rape they are experiencing thanks to the ‘Black Axe’ type African gangs, operating in concert with the Learned Elders of Wye).

    He’s a perfect exemplar of the fall of the West, because despite his major inadequacies, he nonetheless clearly believes so very, very incongruously that he is vastly superior to everyone else who has already studied these questions in good-faith.

    It’s been studied. My god. It’s been studied, Chanda. It’s not, NeW! None of this is, is New! It’s all, been, studied, before.

    It’s like a graduate student coming before me with their wonderful masters thesis idea, and you have to point out that, yeah, it’s on physics, but there was this guy called Issac Newton.

    I’m sorry, I judge people by their behavior, and I’m fantastic at analysing it. It is disgraceful for an intelligence expert of any race, to actually simply excise from their inquiry vast amounts of pertinent material, either because they’re a) lazy b) extremely cynical or c) ignorant. You can actually forgive both a) and c), so he gets one more article.

    Well there is no excuse anymore. If the next article from Chanda does not contain any acknowledgement of
    a) the variance/constancy problem he has now identified and
    b) the vast scholarship he said was impossible and couldn’t exist

    I think Chanda shouldn’t be permitted to present his material on the Unz Review.

    Because white people are not allowed to make the arguments I’m making in any of their institutions. Why should black men acting in very bad faith out of either reckless or negligent incompetence or just cynicism be permitted to make their bad-faith arguments on a site dedicated to identifying the same?

    This is quite honestly an absolute sham. It really is. It’s a disgrace. Flynn gave his life to these people, and found all these answers, and now they aren’t used. I used to think it was purely just black racism and cynicism. Now, I’m starting to think it’s a mixture of cynicism and also a lack of capacity. Because it’s very clear these guys don’t understand environment. They do not, understand it.

    If the next article from Chanda does not acknowledge all of Flynn’s work on Chinese – Americans which he said was impossible and not just doesn’t exist *couldn’t exist*, and if it doesn’t address the very serious apparent cheating amongst his people in the United Kingdom, he should simply be treated as having ZERO credibility. None. No credibility whatsoever. Because veracity counts by omission, and it is unacceptable for anyone who says that they are interested in truth to simply pretend vast elements of truth bearing on further truth, do not exist.

    Unz has written articles about the effect of Chanda’s behavior on scholarship – such as the material buried about world war 2, in the past, or how a certain group of people obtained their wealth in California, or about the history of California and Chicago, and the Holocaust etc.

    Well, if the next article from Chanda does not address the variancy-constancy issue he has identified, and the intelligence scholarship he said was impossible, he is the same as those venal liars who changed the history of world war 2.

    Maybe he shouldn’t be deplatformed, but it will he certainly would deserve it. We will see what happens in the next article.

    Everything else really, is irrelevant.

    It doesn’t matter whether or not scrabble is an effective proxy for intelligence or not – it’s probably mildly effective for a few of the sub-categories (not all of them) of IQ – the real issues are those stated.

    This is why we have to participate. If we don’t participate, even if it’s a vexatious drain on our valuable time, totally undeserving dilettantes like Chanda are permitted to turn their error into dogma. And they’re celebrated for it. And men like Flynn who were of a different kind, like Rushton, are buried by the dilettantes, and their books are banned.

    Because the former are pygmies and the latter are giants, and no one can be permitted to be the giants, except for the Learned Elders of Wye who stole the idea that someone somewhere fought real giants on this earth.

    That is not going to be permitted, in due course, anywhere in the west. Black scholars can peddle their wares in Africa, in the West there are higher standards.

  340. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Still, I lack time enough to proofread my text. I type badly. I commit typing/editing errors. I apologize now for any typing/editing errors that may mar the following text.

    ===============

    I promised, mostly promised myself, that I would not trouble you with more comments. But, with your comment of March 8, 2021 at 6:34 pm GMT(comment # 340), you transgress dishonorably to save your fallacy-ridden effort of inventing a brilliant Black race that does not exist.

    In my comment of March 8, 2021 at 4:34 pm GMT (comment # 338) cited Rushton & Jensen, “Race and IQ: A theory-based review of the research in Richard Nisbett’s Intelligence and how to get it [hereinafter “Rushton & Jensen”], The Open Psychology Journal, 3, Article 9-35 (2010), https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-18869-001 — to premise part of my criticism of the “HBD book, Erectus Walks Amongst Us” chart that you quoted in your article.

    To try to rebut my criticism (despite it favors your position), you did not quote, paraphrase, abstract, or argue anything of Rushton & Jensen. You did not quote, paraphrase, abstract, or argue anything of my my “HBD book” chart criticism but only this.

    I found the HBD chart [from ‘Erectus Walks Amongst Us’] markedly questionable.

    (1) The chart clashes with the Rushton & Jensen findings:…
    (2) Its language “Equivalent Age of White Child” is word-salad.

    Rather you cited quoted a VDARE article of Rushton to put blather that (as I address below) is partly nothing, partly incomprehensible, partly irrelevant to my “HBD book” chart criticism, and partly fatally inconsistent with much of your failing and futile attempt of denying the fact that mean Black IQ ranges from 70 to 85 [sub-Saharan Black =70, American Black = 85] and hence that average Black intelligence is substantially lesser than that of the European Whites, East Asians, and Ashkenazi Jews.

    The VDARE article quote does not cure (though it diminishes slightly) the logico-linguistic and statistical errors of the “HBD book” chart your article quotes. Such error does not infest the work of Jensen or the particular Rushton & Jensen article I referenced; and it does refute your premises and arguments, a matter that must explain your failing to address, scrupulously, any the critical specifics of, e.g., any of Rushton’s several VDARE articles or any of these:

    * (1) Rushton & Jensen, “Race and IQ: A theory-based review of the research in Richard Nisbett’s Intelligence and how to get it,” The Open Psychology Journal, 3, Article 9-35 (2010), https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-18869-001 [“Jewish” mean IQ = 113, East Asian (106), White (100), Hispanic (90), South Asian (87), Black American (85), sub-Saharan Black (70)]

    * (2) Herrnstein & Murray, THE BELL CURVE (New York: Free Press 1994)

    * (3) Rushton & Jensen, THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY, Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 2005, V. 11, No. 2, 235-294 (Amer. Psychological Assoc.), https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf [Jews score highest in IQ testing, but other considerations also indicate that Jewish intelligence is highest — e.g., brain size (brain sizes of Jews & East Asians being greatest) & East Asian IQ being second greatest (& East Asian mean IQ = 106, Jewish mean IQ = 113, mean non-Jewish White IQ = 100)]

    * (4) Arthur Jensen, BIAS IN MENTAL TESTING (THE FREE PRESS, Macmillan, NEW YORK 1980)

    * (5) Arthur Jensen, “How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?” (Univ. of Calif., Berkeley, first published in Harvard Educational Rev., Vol. 39, No. 1, Winter 1969, pages 1-123)

    Respecting Rushton’s VDARE article that you quote, you state:

    Indeed they can. Can they [11 year olds] also win world championships in … anything??? Let alone a “cognitively demanding” game as per Lynn???

    “Indeed they can WHAT?

    What is the “cognitively demanding game and how does that matter bear on WHAT?

    Did some 11-years-old sub-Saharan Black win a scrabble championship or some other cognitive game that all pertinent scientific communities would deem “demanding” in some way and to some extent that would trash the works of Jensen et al?

    What inarguably valid, reliable assertion did Lynn render and how would such assertion prove or imply WHAT concerning the Rushton statements you quote?

    If an average 11-years-old Jew, East Asian, or European White could win an scrabble international scrabble contest, would the particular scrabble game be “cognitively demanding” according to Rushton or Jensen or Herrnstein & Murray or Lynn or all pertinent scientific communities? Has an 11-year-old sub-Saharan Black won such international scrabble contest?

    WHAT is the thrust of your language “Can they [11 year olds] also win world championships in … anything???”? And what is the pertinent, sane purpose of your putting three question-marks at the close of that language?

    Still, either (a) you do not recognize that you put the argument my comment attacked (perhaps you think you did not mean or understand what you said) or (b) you stoop to deny falsely that you put an argument that reduces to an empirically and logically false syllogism like this:

    All Martians have green hair.
    I have green hair.
    Therefore I am a Martian.

    You continue to insists you did not argue what you argued. This time, you cherry-picked snippets of the long self-quote that my two earlier comments addressed and deleted this context:

    And on those premises, to rebut Karlin, you asserted this:

    So, his [Karlin’s] flippant statement is easily falsified on two fronts: 1. We know that the people who play Scrabble in America are actually “high IQ denizens” (confirmed by both their profiles and actual cognitive tests — Lynn, 2017..)
    2. They are actually more involved in Scrabble than Nigerians are (numbers show).

    Together with the premise of your self-quote’s content, your point “1.” and your point “2.” form the argument that Karlin’s criticism was false because mathematicians are scrabble whizzes.

    With your language “[Karlin’s] flippant statement is easily falsified on two fronts: 1. We know that the people who play Scrabble in America are actually “high IQ denizens,” your point must be that Karlin erred by suggesting that scrabble is not a cognitively demanding exercise, because math whizzes are scrabble whizzes.

    You may insist to yourself that you did not mean that point. But your words and their syntaxes were and are what they were and are, and you are responsible for exactly what they were and are; and your words and their syntaxes reduce to this argument: Math whizzes are scrabble whizzes. Since Blacks are scrabble whizzes, they must be intelligent as math whizzes, who are among humanity’s most intelligent folks.

    Such must be the the argument your words and their syntaxes form, because their object was refutation of Karlin’s suggestion that being a scrabble whizz says little or nothing concerning intelligence or does not prove high intelligence, hence Black Nigerians’ scrabble successes do not prove they are markedly intelligent.

    Your other attempted Karlin refutation aspect was: “They [math whizzes] are actually more involved in Scrabble than Nigerians are (numbers show).” That other aspect refutes your position and supports Karlin’s (and impeaches your claim of your own intelligence). That aspect distinguishes Nigerians from math whizzes or humans proven to be very highly intelligent. So, that aspect implies that Nigerians win scrabble games despite they are not math whizzes or humans proven to be very highly intelligent.

    I am sure that you will deny that you said what you said that implies what it implies. But, alas, you said what you said that implies what it implies. Hence, your argument agrees with Karlin’s suggestion that (a) scrabble is not a cognitively demanding game that only the very bright can command and therefore winning scrabble games does not prove high intelligence, and (b) Nigerians’ scrabble game winning does not refute the Jensen, Rushton, Herrnstein, and Murray findings that average American and sub-Saharan Blacks are low-IQ/low-intelligence humans.

    Yes: Not just low IQ, but low intelligence.

    Reviewing
    (1) all pertinent data
    (2) IQ test score malleability(3) “culture-loaded versus g-loaded tests”
    (4) “stereotype threat, caste, and ‘X’ factors”
    (5) reaction-time measures
    (6) “within-race heritability
    (7) “between-race heritability”
    (8) sub-Saharan IQ scores;
    (9) trans-racial brain-size differences
    (10) inter-sex brain-size differences
    (11) “trans-racial adoption studies”
    (12) racial admixture studies
    (13) “regression to the mean effects”
    (14) human origins research & “life-history traits”
    Jensen & Rushton concluded that mean East Asian intelligence is higher than mean European intelligence, which is higher than mean South Asian intelligence, which is higher than mean Black American intelligence, which is higher than mean sub-Saharan intelligence. Herrnstein and Murray agree.

    I regret my earlier statement that you are “a very intelligent fellow who is conversant with statistical method,” whose English usage is “rather sophisticated,” who “gathers pertinent data competently as a competent attorney would (though sometimes you put data to illogical use),” and that you “would be clear proof that being Black can consist with being intelligent.” With your comment to which this comment responds, you proved my earlier complimentary statement wrong. Worse: you proved your arguments are not worth the time I have spent on criticizing them.

  341. Loup-Bouc says:
    @canspeccy

    …numeracy and literacy largely depend on schooling, which I believe is limited for the majority of Africans.

    …therefore, one can say that IQ tests as a comparative measure of intelligence among national groups are a sad joke, or a sordid hoax.

    False.

    Valid, reliable IQ testing reduces numeracy and literacy to a level basic enough to diminish to insignificance whatever culture-bias could skew scores significantly. Also, valid, reliable IQ testing “normalizes” test-ingredients/delivery-method to fit the socioeconomic/ethnic context the test-subject presents.

    A valid reliable IQ test might involve only shapes [shape-comparisons, shape-counting, comparisons of numbers of shapes, deducing the shape that follows logically from a set of given shapes……] AND language-based-testing that may be delivered orally (no reading involved).

    Like the late Arthur Jensen & late Richard Herrnstein, J. Philippe Rushton, Charles Alan Murray, and any competent intelligence-testing entity would not determine IQ & g solely on the basis of a single IQ-test-score, but would run multivariate regression(s) that account(s) ten or more other variables — e.g., these:
    (1) IQ test score malleability
    (2) “culture-loaded” versus g-loaded” test data
    (3) sundry reaction-time measures
    (4) “within-race heritability
    (5) “between-race heritability”
    (6) trans-racial brain-size differences
    (7) inter-sex brain-size differences
    (8) trans-racial adoption study data/indicators
    (9) racial admixture study data/indicators
    (10) certain life-history variables that are cross-race or inter-race quantifiable

    Largely-non-quantifiable data would be accounted, too — e.g., certain kinds of life-history traits.

    Your comment’s sarcasm-aspects do not prove anything but your critical-race-theory/BLM-like bias, which invalidates much of your comment, even aspects that do not appear sarcastic.

    • Replies: @canspeccy
    , @Loup-Bouc
  342. Slimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Dude, you really just wrote a whole essay trying to debunk something obvious. The fact that you’re so triggered only reinforces the conclusions of those studies: that white men are really not all that masculine in comparison to black. A race of confident men who exude masculinity would respond by saying, “that’s okay, we don’t have to be number one at everything.” They’d be happy in all their glorious cultural achievements that paved the way for global domination, with little regard for another race of men that clearly have a sexual advantage.

    Instead, you keep saying “oh it’s not true” and then proceed to change the subject. What’s worse is pretending that white men are downtrodden when they have a disproportionate share of power in the world. That is desperate lol.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @thotmonger
  343. joe2.5 says:
    @paum

    That’s what I realized now — I must say it completely spoiled excellent memories of games we used to play without knowing the stupid rules, over the whole range of the language corpus.

  344. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    You’re a Gamma retard.

    You think people accepting lies is what, noblesse oblige? Lol Moron.

    If you were on my blog, I would ban you, instantly, because you’re a Gamma retard.

    So, Unz was desperate when he wrote the Myth of the American Meritocracy? In case you didn’t notice, you Gamma retard, Unz is famous for writing an essay that essentially proved what has been proved in this thread of the Igbo and Yoruba, in relation to the Jews in the Ivy League. Except he proved it with more inductive than deductive reasoning.

    So, what he should have done according to Mr Gamma-retard is just, in the spirit of noblesse oblige, said, ‘hey, it doesn’t matter, this cheating and socio-political phenomena I’ve noticed, I should just be a super Alpha-Slimer and have little regard for a race of men with some advantage’.

    Was Unz desperate? You Gamma retard?

    No one has accused anyone of anything. What they’ve done is proved an anomaly that looks very much like cheating, stated as much, not dissimilarly to how Unz did, and requested an explanation. They could potentially have made quite an impact on a live social issue.

    Is successful social activism, desperate?

    I wonder what the various parties who take possession of these comments are determining.

    You’re a moron. You just keep saying a stupid thing that isn’t true. There is no sexual advantage, Gamma retard. For the reasons stated.

    Gamma retards who proffer us a study with a sample of 40 un-anonymised undergraduate students who will probably be expelled if they dared to express certain preferences, is not superior evidence to the data-analytics conducted on, Tinder, Bumble, Ok-Cupid and Dating.com involving millions of people. Even if researchers undertake all manner of grimly determined distortions to try and relate a sample of 40 undergraduate students to patterns of national mixed marriage. As if that isn’t largely determined by mere proximity and novelty vs anything else. The novelty is wearing off as reality sets in, and proximity is increasingly being subject to white flight.

    I mean what is correct you retards, are whites actually assimilating into these communities because they can’t resist all the appeal of these people, or are they actually racistly engaging in white flight a million miles away from it? Which is it?

    Yeah man, it’s amazing those Tinder results in South Africa, where blacks are totally dominant and as a result, that society is failing and barely, just barely maintaining subsistence – but that doesn’t come through in the Tinder results. A population of 5 million odd whites should have been subsumed a long time ago into the 40-50million if what you say is true.

    Go back to R-Incels man. Lol, this is someone who lives vicariously. It’s obvious is it, to you maybe haha.

    It’s interesting. You seem to know an awful lot about fetishization.

    I understand, quite well, that black-men can be attractive, and are regarded by many people, as attractive. That does not mean, that what you say is correct as a generalization, Gamma retard.

    You don’t even understand your own research. Why are white men not masculine compared to Black men? It would be interesting to know.

    White people ‘can’t’ have no regard, for black delusions, fostered by Jewish cultural mediation. Because if they don’t pay regard, you know what happens? Gamma retard?

    Like some of the people in South Africa, and now Portland and increasing swathes of Texas, and in California, and in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle, and let’s throw in Malmo, and Paris, and swathes of London, increasingly Cologne, Frankfurt and Madrid, and we could go on, but we’ll leave it there, white people lose access to potable water, and, sanitation, and, electricity, and, schools that function, and the ability to walk about without being assaulted or sex trafficked etc etc etc.

    So you consider that an essay. Some of us can reel that off in a single breath. In 5-10 minutes. You’re too short for this ride.

    I love Gamma secret kangs who are as funny and retarded as the secret kings who think that accepting lies is some kind of superior noblesse oblige & mistake brevity for no of characters.

    Yes, I find your Gammadry triggering.

    Yeah man, it’s all about sex, not IQ.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  345. @Slimer

    I know this thread is supposed to be about IQ, but one anatomical misperception I would like to dispel is that the erect penis of the Black male is substantially larger than that of the White male. If the males in question are of similar overall size this assumption is, in general, untrue.

    I believe what created this myth is that the non-erect Black penis does not contract much and therefore its size ratio from non-erect to erect is much less than in White males. The non erect White male penis contracts much more, presumable as an adaptation of this branch of hominids coming from colder climes. However, when engorged with blood. the erect White penis often equals if not rivals in size that of the Black male.

    Now back to the question of IQ and the fruits of privilege:

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Truth
    , @Slimer
  346. Chinaman says:
    @thotmonger

    Thanks. I actually went through 3/4 of that rap video.

    They are not white trash, they are Wiggers.

    White trash that talk like niggers.

    It would work better if they didn’t throw fake gang signs.

  347. Trumpeter says: • Website
    @TG

    I had not heard the age normalizing before. But it sure confirms my experience both watching and playing the “aging game.”

    But, as my age goes up the facts I know now far surpass my adolescent grasp of the world. If only there was a way to connect the wisdom of the old with the brightness of the young to make better decisions. Oh wait, that’s called a family.
    (IIRC, I was pretty resistant to that when my father tried it.)

  348. Truth says:
    @thotmonger

    “All my life I’ve been white trash.”

    Yeah, the face tattoos and balding with long hair don’t help much.

  349. canspeccy says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    False.

    No. I’m sorry, but you’re an ignoramus and an obsessive IQ-ist crackpot with whom it is not worth debating. But for those who need a rebuttal of your nonsense:

    Intelligence test scores and educational duration are positively correlated. … Across 142 effect sizes from 42 data sets involving over 600,000 participants, we found consistent evidence for beneficial effects of education on cognitive abilities of approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for an additional year of education.

    Source

  350. Chinaman says:
    @canspeccy

    Correlation is not causation of course. IQ increase with age of course and schooling might have other benefits like avoiding environmental assaults.

    So if you measured the IQ of a 10 year old who stayed at home and watch TV, his IQ would have increased at 11 with him doing nothing much.

    I would presume they didn’t establish a good control with internet and video games. Pretty sure kids would score higher on IQ test if they just read UNZ review everyday.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  351. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Why have you ignored the full table I just gave you?

    That table is heavily weighted toward immigrants who have been in the UK for some time and know how to game the system.

    By “gaming” I’m not simply referring to outright cheating. I’m also including tutoring and coaching. The latter are legitimate, but they distort the GSCE results. If some students are tutored and others are not, there will be more variation in the environmental component of IQ and the heritable component will be accordingly reduced.

    Why have you ignored the comment about Fuerst finding a similar pattern on the SATs?

    The same argument applies. Personal gain is a strong motive for both the GSCE and the SAT. In the UK, an African with an academic degree has access to a wide range of well-paying jobs, in large part because of “diversity quotas” of one sort or another.

    you conclude that they are also cheating on the SATs!

    I’m concluding that the motive of personal gain is as strong for the SAT as it is for the GSCE.

    If you find/prove that there is no cheating going on (on the SATs and GCSEs), are you going to abandon your hypothesis?

    The problem isn’t simply cheating. It’s also legitimate activities like tutoring and coaching. If the environmental component is made more variable, you cannot use the SAT or the GCSE as a proxy for IQ.

    My “hypothesis” is that many Nigerians have high cognitive ability, particularly those from the Niger Delta. Unfortunately, intelligent people are better at cheating. So there is some confounding between real intelligence and fake intelligence.

    I agree that this subject should be a research priority. We need IQ data from Nigeria (and not proxies for IQ), as well as data on alleles associated with educational attainment (polygenic scores).

    • Replies: @Chanda Chisala
  352. Tony Ryals says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    I would like to see Chanda Chisala,as well as Ron Unz for that matter,be a little more critical of William Shockley’s et.al.’s Stanford Binet IQ test and other standard western ‘intelligence’ tests rather than get further trapped in trying to use them to put certain blacks or other people in a positive light just because they scored high on them.

    I guess a ‘common sense’ IQ may well have a lower survival value,(at least for this short period in history when corporate salaries are most often the key to a person’s survival), in todays ‘late classical industrial era’ as I call – which is basically what certain academics have recently begun to call anthropogenic era where we are filling the biosphere with new molecules particularly organic ones such as plastics,chlorinated hydrocarbons,radioactive waste, etc that are a product of our best educated universty brains with their high scoring Stanford Binet IQs such as DDT and all the other chlorinated hydrocarbon molecules such as the chlorinated molecules of agent orange i.e,. 2,4 D and 2,4,5 – T used as hormone mimics and growth disrupters to destroy the foliage of Viet Nam so we could see our ènemies’,(who in fact turned out to be ourselves),.that no genetic codes and in fact only university ‘educated’ brains with high IQs’ created.For some reason in all those hundreds of millions of years nature never seems to have evolved hormones with chlorine on their structure or if it did it must have been a short term evoluttionary mistake that died out without leaving a trace.And yet ‘high IQ’ MAN INVENTED AND CONTAMINATED THE BIOSPHERE WITH CHLORINATED HYDROCARBON HORMONE MIMICS to be used as herbicides during the 20th century as well as pestides such as DDT and the toxic chlorinated solvents used to make the first silicon based metal or mineral doped chips of Silicon Valley that geniuses like Bill Gates and Elon Musk hope to replce us with – TCA AND TCE – STILL LINGERING IN AND POISONING THE GROUNDWATER THERE NOW AND PROBABLY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.Unfortunately for their dreams or nightmares of AI these silicon and non biologically based systems are not neg-entropic or self organizing systems, as is life as we know it,and depend not only on rare sources of pure silicon but also other rare minerals not generally found in common soils but in rare dispersed deposits requiring much fossil fuels to mine and transport and often child labor as well.And of course fossil fuels.

    [MORE]

    All l this Late Classic Indusrial nightmare is a product of those high Standford university ‘IQs” that produced them and that the Chinese now excell at.Yes the brilliant Chinese are just copying the 18th century British technology of burning fossil fuels to move metal that now runs the automobiles and now generates their electricity and runs their computers as well.Even the great Three Gorges dam just like Chernobyl and Fukishima were built by burning fossil fuels to drive the movement of metal in their contruction equipment.Late Classic Industrial Man and Woman.It has no survival value and these industrial products of our brains will drive our own genetic codes to extinction.So our fellow apes that we are also driving to extinction are in many ways genetically more intelligent than ourselves in the ways that really matter as defined by Mr. Darwin.Unlike us the do not despoil their nestsThey have been around many more years than ourselves and would have been around many more years had we not appeared on the scene..
    And monkeys and apes do not generally increase soil erosion requiring as with modern man,the need to for the first time in nature,to actually mine the elements of life particluarly phosphates and potasium and to use what we call the Haber-Bosch process to extract nitrogen from the air for fertilizer and before that for Germany’s WWI explosives.Now this procress generally using natural gas has replaced the need to rotate crops and grow legumes and their symbiotic nitrogen fixing bacteria using molybdynum. for nitrogen and thus grains can be grown without the need of legumes in traditional soil rotation agriculture.And while the nitrogen fixing process of bacteria and blue green algae requires small amounts of molibdenum in soil or water where they grow they bind the nitrogen they fix in organic bonds that unlike industrial nitrogen protects it from ending up in rivers and groundwater causing pollution.So biological systems have a quality of pathway that industrial nitrogen and other fetrilizer manufature lacks to protect the environment.

    I dropped out of high school in Louisiana many years ago.Coincidentally the year I dropped out was the first year that a few black students showed up for classes there at New Iberia Senior High School. In my mind I felt truly sorrty for them and surely wished them luck.Later after working offshore on an oil barge and travelling to Central America I ended up in Berkeley California and did volunteer work with algae in an experimental sewage pond at U.C Richmond Field Station and hung out with the grad students and a crazy professor there.I also spent much time in the Gianini agriculture library with all those amazing books and magazines and hardly ever any real students ever using it.

    I have strong biases against the elite pretentious blowhards who make up the Stanford University ‘deep state’ and are now using their phony prestige to misleadus about covid and promote their snake oil vaccines as a cure.Even attacking and censoring their own profgessionals that rebel against the dogmas of Bill Gates,Anthony Fauci,Pfizer and Moderna,e.tal.Not only was I sad in the 1980s when I had no means of dissent against William Shockley and his use of his Stanford IQ test to justify his racism but also more recently when in the early 2000s Stanford professors of medical researchers John Cooke and Christopher Heeschen used their credibility to defraud me in a penny stock scam with nicotine for angiogenesis patents I thought were legit and plowed money into a penny stock scam called Endovasc because I believed their lies and Stanford University’s actually getting patents on them ! John Cooke would a few years later aid and abet an Israeli stem cell stock scam called Pluristem.Paradoxically Frank Carlucci of CIA and later of Carlyle CEO infamy was gifted a large amount of Pluristem shares to sell-dump for his financial benefit.Carlucci as you may or not know was is suspect in the murder of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo in 1960.Pluristem is actually still an ongoing scam and has even tried to pretend it is doing something to cure the illusive covid virus,etc.,etc..

    I will try to show here through Google search that what I wrote in the 1980s on ‘the pope’s misconceptions about conception and science history’ that was published as an editorial in the U,.C. Berkeley Daily California,in 1987 when the pope was in SF,simple and common sensical as it was and is,was for some reason never written by anyone before me unless there was some very obscure and hidden writing somewhere I don’t know about.Shortly after I wrote it in 1981 it came to my attention that a book had been written in Italian by a man named Piettro Redondi who found complaints against Galileo in the Vatican archives because besides his belief in earth orbits he also had a belief in atoms that contradicted Aristotle’s and the church’s four elements dogma -i-e.- earth.air.ware and fire.I would only read this book in english shortly after the pope vistited SF and my editorial was published.I was sure Redondi would most likely include in his book just like my writing that the pope had atoms entering and exiting his body every year or earth orbit and that we werenow mining the elements of life and depleting them.Well he didn’t and so my writing remained and remains unique and doing that.

    Only recently did I come to realize Jewish Kabalists like the catholic church also incorporated Aristotle’s four elements into their dogma as well ! The only difference is that as for as I can figure out the Kabalist Jews,unlike the Catholic Church,were too egotistical to give credit to Aristotle and the Greeks as the source of their Kabalistic four elements.

    In 2005 I had all sorts of indymedia.org websites to post on and in a short while I could google search juch the words ‘pope’s misconceptions’ and my essasy would be the only article on the first Google search webpage.For some reson later on other people seeming to propogandists for the church put the words in their titles such ‘misconceptions about the pope’ or something like that and disappearing my writing.Anyway I just searched google using the words ‘pope catholic church aristotle four elements phosphates’ and my essay appeared at the top,at least where I’m posting from.If worst came to worst adding my last name should bring it up for sure.However Google doesn’t do real word searches anymore except occasionally.Google is just as likely to put Wikpedia or the NY Times or other sites even if your site has all the words you searched for sand the others only habve one or two.

    I found at least one anti-plagiarism website but it said I plagiarized something which of course is not true and it certainly did not lead to any site or article that hd anything like my contribution to catholic churh and western and science history.I doubt I would score high on an IQ test.It would probably bore me to death.Same with scrabble or chess,etc.. And none of those could show I could put aspecs of history and science together as I do in the essay and rhyme below.

    But like I tried to get across in my essay on ‘William Shockley,Stanford IQ Test and Dinosaurs’,it is the ones scoring highest non the western IQ tests that are generally doing the most damage to the environment we all inhabit now led by the Chinese and Asians scoring higher on those tests and China is an environmental disaster only copying the industrial wesdtwhere those IQ tests they excell at came from.

    Also because the human brain consumes about 25% of the calories we consume and carbon in the food we eat I assume it also uses about 25% of the phosphates in our diet.And beacause most often this is all flushed down a toilet and we mine more phosphates to fertilize soil and replace it we are on a bio-physical or psycho-physical level throwing our dreams aways,literally.But people don’t like to think about such things which was probably as much as anything why I the first and only to cover the subject and history.

    google search of words ‘pope catholic church aristotle four elements phosphates’

    https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/10/326685.html

    Pope’s Misconceptions about conception and science history …
    Oct 29, 2005 — The “Four Element” concept (earth, air, fire and water) was the other half of the … challenged Aristotle’s and the church’s geocentric universe several … one year – the pope, each member of the Catholic Church, and everyone else on the … Both the trade of grains and the direct trade of phosphates speed the ..

    https://coffeetony.tripod.com/PopePoem.html

    Pope Poem
    or
    The Pope’s Misconceptions About Conception and Science History in a Rhyme

  353. Loup-Bouc says:
    @canspeccy

    Your reply reduces to this: “I, canspeccy, and my ilk perceive in events just what we want to perceive.”

    One must note that you chose not to criticize any detail of my comment responding to your earlier comment. Rather you stooped to nothing but ad hominem attack. I do not object to ad hominem attacks, if they are accompanied by well-supported argument that justifies them. But because your reply lacked aught but personal insult and a reference that has been debunked and that you did not abstract and apply.

    I had read your source’s presentation and numerous others like it before I wrote my comment. Such sources do not operate in a world of science, but in a neurotic-politics domain the denizens of which convince themselves that their invalid studies are valid and produce data that imply what they want the data to imply.

    I shall not bother to demonstrate the invalidity of your source, since (a) the demonstration would require I devote more than a couple hours to the project and (b) you bear the burden of proving that your source debunks the works of Jensen, Rushton, Herrnstein, Murray, and Lynn [hereinafter referenced as “Jensen/Lynn”].

    Your source and like others try to dispute Jensen/Lynn for failing to account quite what Jensen/Lynn do account. Your source and like others begin “investigation” with a bias against the possibility that g is a near-absolute limit of the influence of environment. For your sources, that bias remains always an irresistible assumption felt as “scientific” truth.

    Likely your source’s, and your, bias derives not only from a goody-goody political taint that parallels “God made all his children in his image” or “Jesus loves all the little children…Black and Yellow, Brown and White,” but also from the typically-religion-based-or-religion-influenced emotional need that humans be essentially qualitatively distinct from other beasts (as if humans have souls and other beasts do not).

    I use the term “religion” to denote not only formal religion (Christianity, Islam…….), but also personal moral codes or influences of superego or racial narcissism or the religion of ultimately emotion-derived/emotion-limited “science” or “math” like the “science” that invented the “Big Bang” and the “math” that “explains” why 0! (zero factorial) is 1.00 or the statistics that believes in the “principle of indifference.”

    A Border Collie can learn much better than a beagle can. A Border Collie can learn language, actually learn actual languagenot merely learn to associate certain sounds with certain events, as Pavlov’s dog learned to drool when a “dinner” bell rang (and as Pavlov “learned” to “drool” when his dog learned). https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/how-to-teach-language-to-dogs/

    A Beagle cannot learn language, but only drool — or maybe be conditioned to “heal” or sit or shut up — when sound-cues or hand-signs manifest.

    But not all Border Collies can learn language well. And language-learning ability varies from Border Collie to Border Collie.

    Canine within-breed-differences and between-breed-differences are governed by g. The same is true of humans — like it or not.

    Your source, canspeccy, disregards the overarching significance of the undeniable fact that within the “Black” “race,” even within any certain “Black” biological family (mom, pop, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins…….) quite apparent cognitive-ability differences are inevitable and undeniable. Likewise the “race” of “East Asians,” “Ashkenazi Jews,” or European “Whites” and “East Asian,” “Ashkenazi Jewish,” or European “White” biological families. The implication destroys the rest of your source’s belief.

    Other readers can pursue the sources I included in my comment of March 8, 2021 at 11:07 pm GMT (comment # 344) — https://www.unz.com/article/nigerians-jews-and-scrabble-an-update-on-the-iq-debate/#comment-4513088AND sources those sources reference — and also Richard Lynn, The Global Bell Curve: Race, IQ, and Inequality Worldwide (Washington Summit Publishers, 1st ed. June 6, 2008), ISBN-10 : 1593680287, ISBN-13 : 978-1593680282. The reader ought pursue also pertinent literature published in professional journals that treat the relevant science and statistics fields.

    Concerning non-human animals’ cognition-capacities, see also, and compare, e.g., these:
    * https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/chantek-orangutan-who-knew-sign-language-has-died-39-180964390/
    * https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=the-orangutan-who-speaks-like-a-human
    * https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982207016880

    If you respond, canspeccy, I shall not reply. You deserve disregard.

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    , @Bruce William
  354. Loup-Bouc says:
    @canspeccy

    EMENDATION of my comment of March 9, 2021 at 10:31 pm GMT (comment # 357), https://www.unz.com/article/nigerians-jews-and-scrabble-an-update-on-the-iq-debate/#comment-4515113

    Some weird glitch ended very prematurely the Unz Review comment-edit function that is designed to last five minutes. So, I could not cure two flaws, one a typing error, the other a failing to delete a word I intended to delete.

    In my above-referenced comment (#357), the second paragraph’s fourth (and final) sentence is:

    But because your reply lacked aught but personal insult and a reference that has been debunked and that you did not abstract and apply.

    That sentence’s second word (“because”) ought not to be present. That sentence ought to be:

    But your reply lacked aught but personal insult and a reference that has been debunked and that you did not abstract and apply.

    In the second sentence of my same comment’s fifth paragraph, the term “g” needed being set in bold-italic font. So, that sentend ought to be:

    Your source and like others begin “investigation” with a bias against the possibility that g is a near-absolute limit of the influence of environment.

  355. @Peter Frost

    That table is heavily weighted toward immigrants who have been in the UK for some time and know how to game the system.

    1. That’s not what I was asking, Peter (and you don’t need to keep repeating to me your latest iteration of ad hoc argument as if that will somehow transform it into something plausible). Look at that table again carefully, and tell me if it agrees with your observation that there was suspicious/inexplicable **improvement** of scores from 2009 to 2011 among **BLACK AFRICANS** before you continue:

    <img src="https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chisala-8.png&quot; title="You See a Pattern?"

    But I’m now also curious about your latest claim above, so:
    2. How did you know that these immigrants have been in the UK for some time?

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    , @Peter Frost
  356. Slimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I didn’t read your silly comment, just replying to say I’m sorry the truth hurts you so much.

  357. Polemos says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Have you played Scrabble on a timed limit and tried to maximize your points against a competitive opponent?

    I feel like a lot of people dissing Scrabble haven’t actually played it under any kind of competitive constraints. It’s not simply spelling words.

  358. Slimer says:
    @thotmonger

    Sexual advantage doesn’t mean penis size but having bones less prone to fracturing, as well as being perceived as cool and athletic. Low IQ essentially nullifies that advantage:

    Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa published research concluding that, “Net of intelligence, black men are significantly more physically attractive than nonblack men.”

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Scientific-Fundamentalist-A-Look-at-the-Hard-by-Kanazawa/c9bbe2969eab2037f9d1eb9b86783222fd71743c?p2df

    So no, this isn’t really about IQ. It’s about sex.

  359. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    Correlation is not causation of course. IQ increase with age of course and schooling might have other benefits like avoiding environmental assaults.

    Yes, but either way, sub-Saharan Africans don’t get much of it, i.e., formal schooling.

  360. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    Your reply reduces to this: “I, canspeccy, and my ilk perceive in events just what we want to perceive.”

    Not really. I just don’t understand what you are trying to say.

    For example, this:

    Valid, reliable IQ testing reduces numeracy and literacy to a level basic enough to diminish to insignificance whatever culture-bias could skew scores significantly. Also, valid, reliable IQ testing “normalizes” test-ingredients/delivery-method to fit the socioeconomic/ethnic context the test-subject presents.

    Suggestions, anyone?

    But to be fair, I should perhaps have allowed that your incoherence was due to a linguistic difficulty, rather than a defect in your argument, whatever that may have been.

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  361. @Slimer

    While the article in question is intriguing, the part which you seem most interested in was more of a casual claim without citational support. As I went through it I saw the author give 3 consecutive graphs from apparently different samples. The 1st listed white male attractiveness at 3.446 and that for black males at 3.410. The 2nd gave 3.468 and 3.481. The 3rd was 3.433 and 3.388. So 2 out of 3 of these graphs gave a small incremental advantage to the white males over black males, probably within an ordinary margin of error. Only the 2nd gave an even smaller surplus to the black males, again easily within a statistical sampling error.

    Only at the end, without any graphs or statistical elaboration, does the author make the informal comment that “Net of intelligence, black men are significantly more physically attractive than nonblack men.” Since no data is provided to support this it remains just a casual opinion. The places where he cites statistical samples seem to contradict this. At the very least you need a fuller reference before this can be judged.

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  362. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Look at that table again carefully, and tell me if it agrees with your observation that there was suspicious/inexplicable **improvement** of scores from 2009 to 2011 among **BLACK AFRICANS** before you continue:

    In that table, only the Yoruba kids (and perhaps the Somalis) had a sufficiently large sample size to permit any conclusions. About 90 of the 411 Black African students were Yoruba. The other ethnic groups were too few in number. Consequently, year-to-year variation for non-Yoruba could simply be statistical noise.

    Go to page 7 of the report:

    Of the 411 Black African students who took GCSE, 21% spoke English at home, 22% Yoruba, 13% Somali, 9% Twi‐Fante, 5% French, 4% Igbo, 4% Krio, 3% Tigrinya, 3% Lingala, 2% Arabic, 2% Ga, 2% Swahili, 1% Luganda, 1% Amharic, 1% Portuguese and 2% spoke other languages such as Shona, German, Fang, Manding, Runyakata, Temne and Zulu.

    How did you know that these immigrants have been in the UK for some time?

    I’m sorry. I thought you were talking about the nation-wide data you had presented. The children in that table are recent immigrants from six secondary schools in the London Local Authority.

  363. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    Are you asking me the following question?

    “If Yoruba parents are exchanging information with each other on methods to raise their children’s GCSE scores, why aren’t they exchanging the same information with other African parents? Why aren’t all African students improving at the same rate?”

    One reason is language. A Yoruba parent will have trouble communicating that information with a Lingala parent.

    A second reason is kinship. African parents are more likely to exchange information with relatives, and Yoruba relatives are almost always fellow Yoruba. Kinship is especially relevant if the information involves an illegal activity, like hiring a stand-in for your son’s GCSE.

    A third reason is community size. If you belong to a small community in the UK, like the Lingala, there are not many people you can ask for information or assistance. A Lingala parent may be open to the idea of hiring a stand-in, but that idea would involve finding an intelligent (and physically similar) child within the community. That’s a tall order.

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  364. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    https://www.rt.com/news/517496-ai-predict-attraction-brain-waves/

    I haven’t read any or your silly comments either.

    Science shows that black faces are universally regarded as unattractive or relatively less attractive, based on brain-wave activity and second generation faces generated in response.

    The joint team of psychologists and computer scientists at the University of Helsinki in Finland used electroencephalography (EEG) measurements to catalogue which facial features people found to be attractive and then fed the results to a machine learning system called a generative adversarial neural network (GAN).

    30 volunteers had their brain activity measured.

    The system learned their preferences and catalogued their unique set of so-called EEG attraction identifiers. It then generated custom-designed faces to suit an individual’s preferences.

    The presentation on Youtube first shows the faces that were randomly generated and presented to the participants. See 1:05 in the video. Note that there are a few brown/black faces.

    Then a second generation of faces was produced, customized to the what the participants found attractive in the first, random generation.

    In the second generation of faces, there isn’t a single black, or coloured face.

    It was a rigorous study.

    They classified faces attractive to individual participants. They generated new faces that matched that personal preference. The double-blind evaluation of the generated images show the faces were very attractive.

    The gBCI can detect subjective elements of attraction and create new faces that match the subjective elements.

    As any Catholic or Randian has known for some time – beauty is not subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

    None of the preferred faces generated from electrical activity were black, including for black and other non-white participants.

    Black and non-white brain activity still favours white features, and white features.

    So, the science is settled.

    What science might be more rigorous. An experiment by a Mr Kanazawa Otaku probably paid for by the SPLC? Or science based on the brain activities of mixed-race participants using double-blind evaluation?

    So, IQ is really about sex, and the need for non-whites to compensate for their relative lack of sexual attractiveness.

    The science, is settled.

    The truth hurts. It hurts.

  365. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Frost

    Similarly to China.

    https://qz.com/96793/chinese-students-and-their-parents-fight-for-the-right-to-cheat/

    “We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat,” they chanted.

    Parents chanted that it isn’t fair in China if their children aren’t permitted to cheat.

    Not cheating, they said, would put them at a disadvantage in a country where student cheating has become standard practice

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/college-applicants-cheat_b_1074544

    “90% of China’s Applicants (in the United States) cheat”.

    90 percent of Chinese applicants submit false recommendations, 70 percent have other people write their personal essays, 50 percent have forged high school transcripts and 10 percent list academic awards and other achievements they did not receive.”

    Given this, why would it be so appallingly unfeasible to think that Nigerians would never cheat?

    Imagine having half of the Chinese students in the United States forging their entire High-School transcripts.

    And we’re supposed to believe that the merest suggestion that statistically anomalous marks couldn’t possible be indicative of cheating for Nigerians?

    This is what the Huffpost, the Huffpost which said during the height of the so-called psy-op pandemic it was racist not to hug a Chinese carrier, said:

    One thing it is not is a revelation; in fact, any American with experience in China’s school system will read this article and shrug. For years, American college admissions officers have seemed to be saying: “Chinese cheat. It’s just the way they are, and accepting this is part of the cost of doing business in China.”

    Well it’s apparent that this is becoming an accepted part of participating in economies and education systems in the West as well.

    There is a great book on this subject of how cheating can become so standard it’s prevention causes unfairness:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-henrich-weird-people/615496/

    I’ve read it.

    Only westerners, genetically, engage in neutral norms applied universally. That’s what is proven in that book. And it essentially arose from the incredible consequences of banning cousin marriage in Christendom.

    It’s going to be a real shame when all this capacity has to turn to how to cheat competitively against groups who are not capable of neutral norms applied universally, instead of how to actually solve problems.

  366. @Peter Frost

    OK, so we apparently have a new iteration in the ad hoc chain.

    1. So, you are now saying it is only the Yoruba who cheat and not the other African groups (since the Yoruba haven’t shared cheating tricks with them)?
    2. How have you determined the threshold number of students a group should have for their results to escape that statistical “noise” barrier and be meaningful? (In other words, what’s “too few”?)

    And I have to ask this once again:

    3. What will it mean if you find (or I show you) dispositive evidence (hypothetically) that there is *no* cheating OR any other kinds of shenanigans or illegitimate methods of raising scores [include whatever other random ad hoc theory here, as long as it is something giving them a truly *unfair* advantage over British white students]? Will it mean that you will now reject IQ 70 or 85 (or whatever IQ you believe the Africans/Nigerians/Yoruba etc have which would not make sense if their GCSE performance is legitimate]? Since (unlike other IQists) you do not believe there is any significant self-selection among African immigrants, can I assume it will mean that for you? [I just want to know if this is just one of those many pointless debates that, besides being practically unfalsifiable under reasonable evidence, is also ultimately meaningless since it won’t even change anything.]

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  367. Loup-Bouc says:
    @CanSpeccy

    This much my available time permits:

    (1) Learn to READ.

    (2) Still your response lacks aught but ad hominem attack.

  368. Slimer says:
    @Patrick McNally

    In only one case does he factor in the positive association between intelligence and physical attractiveness, in which case black men are rated most highly. Also, at the beginning of the paper you’ll notice he states how his research technique “has the added advantage of eliminating all random measurement errors that are inherent in any scientific measurement. ”

    Here’s his webpage where you can email him for further details since you don’t accept the results.

    https://www.lse.ac.uk/management/people/academic-staff/skanazawa

    He’s good friends with a lot of prominent figures in the human biodiversity movement and idolizes many of the pioneers of race and IQ research. For all we known, his findings might be even more favorable to black men but he’s afraid to publish them for fear of being shunned by his academic circle. We all known you people are very selective about what kind of controversial research you’re willing to accept. The biodiversity stuff is all good and well as long as it makes insecure white men feel as if they’ve got an advantage over somebody, but if it makes them look vulnerable there must be something fishy about the technique.

    Not to mention this other study where most of the female participants were college age white women:

    https://orca-mwe.cf.ac.uk/28235/1/Lewis%202012.pdf

    Although it’s not stated explicitly in the paper, the results imply that when IQ is more or less equal between races, as it is in the UK, black men are rated most attractive. The reason this truth is considered controversial is because white men will get hurt and go on killing sprees if it’s openly acknowledged.

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  369. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I lack time enough to proofread my following text. I type badly. I commit typing/editing errors. I apologize now for any typing/editing errors that may mar my following text.

    ==============

    I have encountered just one somewhat-interesting superficially plausible argument that intelligence is mostly a function of inherited genetic structure, that an IQ test result can be primary (though not alone sufficient) valid, reliable indicator of level of inborn intelligence. The criticism occurred in Ned Block’s Race, Genes, and IQ: Critics of The Bell Curve have attacked every point in the book—except the most important one, BOSTON REVIEW (1995), http://bostonreview.net/science-nature-race/ned-block-race-genes-and-iq

    Block directed his criticism at Richard J. Herrnstein & Charles Murray, THE BELL CURVE: INTELLIGENCE AND CLASS STRUCTURE IN AMERICAN LIFE [hereinafter “Herrnstein & Murray”] (Free Press 1994), 845 pp., ISBN 0-02-914673-9. Block distilled the Herrnstein-Murray argument thus:

    The Herrnstein & Murray argument for genetic IQ differences is based on two facts: IQ is 60 percent heritable within the White population; and there is a stable, 15-point difference between averages IQs of Whites and Blacks. Herrnstein & Murray’s argument depends on thinking of the 15-point IQ difference as divisible into a genetic chunk and an environmental chunk. This picture suggests the following three alternatives:

    * Extreme Environmentalism: Blacks are genetically on a par with Whites, so the IQ gap is all environmental.
    * Extreme Geneticism: Blacks are environmentally on a par with Whites, so the IQ gap is all genetic.
    * The Reasonable View: Blacks are worse off both genetically and environmentally, so some of the gap is genetic, some environmental.

    Block concluded that Herrnstein & Murray chose the “reasonable view.” Block suggested that Herrnstein & Murray disregarded a fourth alternative view: Blacks are much worse off than Whites environmentally and better off genetically. Block asserted: “Allowing this [fourth] option, we get a different set of alternatives: genetically, Blacks are either worse off, or better off, or equal to Whites.”

    Block hastened to observe that he did not assert “that it is likely that Blacks are genetically better off than Whites” He meant only that a Blacks-are-genetically-superior prospect “is possible, and—a very important point—what you consider possible affects what you think is an extremist position.”

    Perhaps Herrnstein & Murray disregarded the “fourth” alternative Block described. If so, perhaps impeachable bias drove their disregard. But perhaps, instead, Herrnstein & Murray analyzed a massive bank of raw data and concluded that Block’s “fourth” alternative was not possible. We cannot know. Nor can we know whether, had Herrnstein & Murray tested Block’s “fourth” alternative as a working hypothesis, they might have eschewed their conclusion that Black race inborn intelligence is lesser than that of Whites.

    We do know this: Block did not develop his “fourth” alternative creditably (or really at all) or test, with any legitimate, unbiased means, the “reasonable view” he attributed to Herrnstein & Murray or present a legitimate, unbiased criticism of the of Herrnstein & Murray’s findings or conclusions. Rather Block argues biased or unpremised conclusions, e.g., this:

    If you accept The Bell Curve’s way of putting the options, then the idea that environmental differences between Blacks and Whites are big enough to account for 15 IQ points looks like extremism.

    Block presents nothing that could support that assertion. Block acknowledges Herrnstein & Murray’s conclusion that genetic-based intelligence (“general intelligence”) is “60 percent ‘heritable’ within Whites.” Block did not acknowledge the Herrnstein & Murray conclusion that Black intelligence was inherited and to a like degree.

    How does Block account Herrnstein & Murray’s inherited general intelligence conclusion? Here is a fair sample:

    To understand The Bell Curve’s fallacy, we need to distinguish the ordinary idea of genetic determination and the scientific concept of heritability, on which all Herrnstein & Murray’s data rely. Genetic determination is a matter of what causes a characteristic: number of toes is genetically determined because our genes cause us to have five toes. Heritability, by contrast, is a matter of what causes differences in a characteristic: heritability of number of toes is a matter of the extent to which genetic differences cause variation in number of toes (that some cats have five toes, and some have six). Heritability is, therefore, defined as a fraction: it is the ratio of genetically caused variation to total variation (including both environmental and genetic variation). Genetic determination, by contrast, is an informal and intuitive notion which lacks quantitative definition, and depends on the idea of a normal environment. A characteristic could be said to be genetically determined if it is coded in and caused by the genes and bound to develop in a normal environment. Consequently, whereas genetic determination in a single person makes sense—my brown hair color is genetically determined—heritability makes sense only relative to a population in which individuals differ from one another—you can’t ask “What’s the heritability of my IQ?”

    Block is guilty of attempting to convince with verbal sleight of hand.

    Surely, now, no sane, reasonably intelligent person will deny that intelligence is at least predominately a function of the operation of the central nervous system — much, though not only, a function of the cerebral cortex. Just as genetic inheritance determines the “number of toes” (which, contrary to Block, may be more or less than “five” per foot) or “color of hair” (or whether the creature has “hair”), genetic inheritance determines the brain’s, size, weight, and quality.

    Those hereditary neuro-physical variables determine the brain’s, functions and its capacity of receiving, using, and discharging blood — hence oxygen and sundry minerals, proteins or amino acids and aminosulfonic acid (taurine), fatty acids, vitamins…….and extracranial hormones (aldosterone, testosterone……) — and electric, electrochemical, and electromagnetic charges, etc, all of which must determine, initially and ultimately, the creature’s intelligence.

    No creature has a “mind” — unless “mind” means only “sum of expressions of cognition.” Humans and other sentient creatures have only (a) brains and also (b) spines or other neural apparatus that functions as a spine does in vertebrates.

    * [Side-Note:
    An octopus exemplifies an intelligent invertebrate whose body bears apparatus that functions rather like a vertebrate’s spine, but better. Each tentacle includes an axial nerve that functions like a vertebrate’s spinal cord, yet with a limitless range of movement and a degree of cognition or sentience, hence with greater utile sensitivity. As heredity determines number of toes of a mammal or reptile or presence or color of hair or scales, heredity determines the octopus’s neural system, which is arguably better, even more “intelligent,” than a human’s.
    End Side-Note] *

    So, surely genetic inheritance must determine at least the bulk of the essential ingredients of animal, hence human, “intelligence.” Environment may bear some at least temporary effect on expression of intelligence, even by altering the brain’s electro-biochemistry. But environment cannot alter the brain’s anatomy or the physical variables that determine its operation.

    [I exclude from discussion environmental influence that alters brain-anatomically, as if one’s head receives a great physical trauma that “deletes” part of one’s brain. I exclude also “mind-altering” drugs that alter central nervous system function permanently. Such conditions are irrelevant to the “nature versus nurture” issues that Block — and Chanda Chisala — address.]

    Long-term, consistent environment-caused emotional repression can alter the brain’s electro-biochemistry. Such alteration can affect expression of intelligence. Such repression may cause, e.g., psychic depression, which can dull the victim’s thought-process, even thought-process that marks intelligence. But such condition does not, itself, alter the victim’s intelligence.

    Effective psychotherapy and, perhaps also, short-term, drug-support of symptom-reversal can remove the psychic-depression-caused block of the victim’s intelligence-expression. The repression and depression could not “excise” the victim’s intelligence — what the brain’s anatomy and function “think,” how they utilize the nutrients that feed neural activity that produces thought.

    Now reconsider Block’s “fourth” alternative and the probative significance, if any, of whether Herrnstein & Murray disregarded that alternative.

    If Block’s “fourth” alternative were a study’s working hypothesis, what would indicate its rejection? I lack truly raw data sufficient to derive even a sound tentative conclusion. I have not available the full store, or even very substantial quantity of, the data Herrnstein & Murray’s researches may have amassed; and I have not engaged in such research, myself. But certain well-known facts indicate rejection of Block’s “fourth” alternative.

    In the Black Africa of the time of preceding substantial influx of Europeans, East Indians, and Arabs and European, Arab, or East Indian culture, Black Africans created their socio-economic/political environment. With rare exception, that environment was very primitive.

    Black Africans had no written language, no machinery, no permanent structures (no dwellings or production or commercial structures, or any other architecture, built with brick, wood, or stone), no science, no math (even if some kind of “counting”), no even-rudimentary sophisticated music rendered with instruments other than drums or other percussive devices, no weapons of beyond-stone-age “engineering”…….. Many, perhaps most, social units were hunter-gatherer communities, not agrarian, semi-agrarian, or pastoral.

    One argued exception was Dahomey culture of Benin, which bordered the northwest of what is now Nigeria — a culture that refutes the proposition that Blacks are smart as non-Blacks.

    Dahomey culture had rudimentary agriculture and a little extraterritorial trade. It did not have a written language. It knew no math or science. It produced wood-carving, ivory carving, metalwork (silver, iron, brass), appliqué cloth, and clay bas-reliefs. Its only musical instruments were non-tuned devices that emitted sound cause by percussion. The most advanced instrument was pottery used for percussion-generated sounds. Otherwise, musical instruments were hollow logs or stretched animal hides fastened, e.g., to tree-branch frames.

    Dahomey culture was ruled by a king. The king had a palace. The palace had rude earthen walls and thatched roofs. Other Dahomey structures were built with large sticks, hides or bark, and thatches roofs.

    Dahomey culture began around 1600, after Europeans had invaded and began colonizing. Much, Dahomey “advancement” borrowed from European culture. The king made money partly, and much, by selling Black slaves to Europeans. The Dahomey practiced human sacrifice.

    The other exception is ancient. For a time, ancient Egypt included a substantial Black, or Nubian, population that, arguably, sometimes included Egypt’s royalty or aristocrats or persons holding high religious roles. [I shall set aside, for sake of argument, the issue of whether high-level, intellectually advanced or superior Black ancient Egypt dwellers were highly intelligent because they were mixed with non-Black Egypt-dwellers or because they appeared to be highly intelligent only because they learned form non-Blacks. My point is elsewhere.]

    One may presume, securely, that ancient Egypt’s Blacks included Ugandans, who dwelt at the extreme of the Egyptian Empire. That presumption comports with the musical instruments and music of both ancient Uganda culture and the Southern kingdom of Egypt.

    Ugandan music was very sophisticated. It used elaborate musical scales, more complex than any known in European culture, more like scales of East Indian music. The instruments were not only percussive, but involved tuned drums, string instruments plucked or played with bow, harps, and several rather sophisticated wind instruments.

    Much Ugandan weaponry was bronze. Buildings were stone, wood, or brick. Pottery was varied. Domestic and agrarian implements were partly metal. Ugandans were agricultural and pastoral and used animals for transport and plowing.

    But, though dark-skinned, Ugandans were quite unrelated to Blacks of modern West, Central, or Southern Africa. Ungandans were relatively short like modern Kikuyu, even Ethiopians, not tall and broad-shouldered like Nigerians of today, and their features were very different from West, Central, or Southern African Blacks.

    Otherwise, Black culture has not contributed anything to the world of music, architecture, agriculture, math, science, technology……. Black culture has not, itself, had a writing-system or any form of graphic language.

    Though some Blacks have demonstrated remarkable capacity of abstract thought as in science and math, none created anything of the fundamentals of such aspects of advanced culture (algebra, geometry, set theory, mathematical logic, analytic geometry, physics, chemistry……..) or even technology or forms of musical instruments American Black slaves or ordinary free American Blacks tended to use (guitar, banjo, or bugle-like wind instruments…….).

    Black American musics — blues, rhythm and blues, ragtime — are conceptions of a simple child-mind and dwarfed by White European contrapuntal music like Johann Sebastian Bach’s. Rap is not music, but crude noise and oft-stupid, oft-vicious, never artful, pseudo-poetry.

    One must respect the achievements of Blacks like Katherine Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Johnson ] and Granville T. Woods (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granville_Woods#Inventions ]. But they did not create the tools of their works — e.g., the calculus, trigonometry, discovery and harnessing of electricity, the telephone, telegraphic messaging.

    Granville T. Woods invented a third rail electric train system. But electricity was discovered by ancient Mesopotamians, ancient Greeks, White Europeans, and White Americans. The electric train was invented by Whites. A conductor rail system — White-invented fourth-rail system — was operating in England, Germany, France, and America a decade before Woods invented his third rail system.

    Woods invented “telegraphony” — a device that enabled telegraph stations to send messages orally and via Morse Code over telegraph lines from moving trains. But the telegraph and telephone were inventions of White Europeans and White Americans.

    Katherine Johnson was a fine mathematician, whose work was essential to — one may argue a sine qua non of — NASA’s first rocket-into-space success. She calculated trajectories, launch-windows, and emergency return paths of Project Mercury spaceflights.

    But Johnson did not invent the math she used. She applied then-standard mathematical methods created by Whites and ancient Chinese. E.g., Newton or Leibniz “invented” the calculus; and (though the West credits Descartes with the “invention” of analytic geometry), the Chinese (e.g., Li Zhi, 13th century CE) “invented” algebraic geometry and its underlying essentials (and used it in astronomy).
    * https://mathf3.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/early-chinese-mathematics/
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics
    * https://www.crystalinks.com/chinamath.html
    * http://www.amss.cas.cn/wwj/jnwz/201705/P020170506539767112476.pdf

    Scrabble was a White’s invention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Mosher_Butts#Scrabble
    Likewise the crossword puzzle. https://www.sciencesource.com/archive/Image/Arthur-Wynne--English-Inventor-SS2590459.html
    Chess was invented in North India, then developed in Persia, China, Mongolia, Thailand, Russia, and the Arab world.
    * https://www.ichess.net/blog/history-of-chess/
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chess#Origin

    Whether in their own pre-European-intrusion African cultures or when colonized by Europeans or Arabs — whatever their environment — relatively few Blacks have demonstrated high intelligence with the kind of original abstract thought and original creativity that are prime, necessary manifestations of high intelligence. In modern times, Black African and Black American societies have not fostered education well or involved social or familial environments that encouraged or supported the individual’s learning zeal.

    Surely, in colonial times, White Europeans denied Blacks educational advantage — in some regions even sufficient basic education. But for more than a half century, Black African states have been free from European control. Yet Black Africans remain rather poorly educated, and still Black African societies do not deem higher learning or even basic education vitally important. In northeast Africa, Islam and the Arab world are dominant structural and environmental influences. Still, there, Black Africans trail other peoples intellectually.

    If a people’s “general intelligence” is relatively low, that people will not develop well an environment conducive to nurturing intellectual achievement or intellectual expression. So, if, respecting intellectual development, African Blacks suffer poor environment or enjoy “nurture” substantially lesser than that enjoyed by European Whites, Israelis, or Asians, the cause is much the relatively low “general intelligence” of African Blacks.

    In the large cities of the United States, despite sundry government supports, many “ghetto” Blacks disdain education and devalue intellectual prowess like that required of higher math, science and medicine, serious music, fine art and literature…….

    Even if government’s and non-government-agency’s education/social-services/financial supports do not accord “ghetto” Blacks a “playing field” level with that of non-Blacks, still Black “ghetto” denizens tend not to use for intellectual advancement those relevant supports that are available to them. Many women have babies to get money-welfare. Drug-use/drug-marketing are rampant, as is violence committed by Blacks against Blacks.

    To a very substantial extent, the Black race’s intelligence-deficit creates Blacks’ environments that deter or fail to encourage pursuit of intellectual development. For that reason, Herrnstein & Murray ought to have rejected the alternative view Block suggests — the view that “Blacks are genetically better off than Whites” but less advantaged environmentally. Per its genetic structure, the Black race’s mean “general intelligence” is lesser than that of Whites (and “Jews,” East Asians, South Asians, New World Hispanics, and indigenous Americans).

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  370. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Peter Frost has to be a little more circumspect than others. But others can speculate in this very interesting thread. Perhaps people have been too reflexively hostile, having had so many experiences colored by interactions with African Americans and the entire industry that revolves around them. As well as having observed the kind of Chinese cheating cited by the New York Times, and having no ability to do anything about it.

    1. Frost said he is referring to both outright cheating but also legitimate preparation, as the latter also reduces heritability component and raises environmental.

    To an outsider the Yoruba results in particular do look suspicious. As do actually Igbo results in 2009 of 100%. The other African pass-rates show expected variability – however that in and of itself doesn’t discount cheating. Why would you say that? Because when white children ever achieve 100% on any educational metric it causes huge ructions and accusations, ironically enough.

    2. Would it be possible to know what the author’s opinion is of a sufficient number?

    3. Chindera Ota is indeed very impressive, like Andre Iguodala. I like this quote:

    Finally, it has to be noted that even if hereditarians can somehow manage to convincingly argue that the Nigerian (or Igbo) children in the UK do in fact have a lower IQ than average white children, as their biological model predicts (despite our evidence), they also have to show that these West African children even have a lower IQ than average black American children (since the latter have more white admixture)!

    At the very least, they should show that these children of “elite” Africans actually have a lower IQ than the children of equally elite native black Americans: the same elite black Americans whose children already score lower than poor whites, according to Jensen. That is by no means the most enviable task in academic history

    But genuinely, why does this have to be the case?

    I do not understand why Flynn’s work showing out-performance of measured IQ by 21 points by Chinese-Americans cannot be applied here?

    If you were to add that to other factors like nutrition, environmental changes to epi-genetic expressions, re-norming, you barely need to move the current base which Google states as 85 and you’re beating average dissipated white kids at 100 in public schools. Easily.

    Then in the US context you come back to the environmental absurdity. If in fact, African Americans are at genetic party, how is it possible that the same environment Nigerians thrive in, in the US, is so utterly debilitating?

    I understand perfectly well that Flynn’s findings challenge everybody. Which is probably why he’s sort of ignored by everybody, except for the Flynn effect.

    However, Flynn nonetheless retained the well-tested and robust work that exists on IQ, and it’s genetic components, which are primarily based on twin studies, and the work done in Africa that I’ve seen people replicating again and again. He just literally found a conscientiousness factor which solves so much of the tumult here.

    The Meyerhoff Scholars, the Davison Academy, and the National Achievement award results do challenge the idea that African-Americans have superior IQ to Africans due to white admixture. The question though is if that applies to Igbo and sub-tribes. Who knows.

    But don’t those results then merely confirm Flynn’s ideas of the importance of conscientiousness, and his critical views towards ‘African-American culture’?

    Then there is the work cited in earlier articles:

    As Rauh 2014 shows, this convergences [reversion to the mean] happens faster for African immigrants than for any other group, suggesting that genetic regression is a stronger force [for US Africans], as the hereditarian view would predict.

    There is actually quite strong evidence that regression to the mean is taking place for Africans in the US. The question is, what mean is that?

    From an earlier argument we get the crux of all this for the US context:

    But this plausible alternative scenario precisely falsifies the racial genetic hypothesis. If there are African “subpopulations” (by which I believe you mean nations or tribes/ethnicities etc) that have a genetic mean IQ that is higher than the genetic mean of whites (or black Americans), then the American black-white gap can not be due to the “blackness”, genetically, since that subpopulation is also black

    You can understand an author like Chanda not wanting to recapitulate everything over and over in every article, that’s completely to be expected. He probably gets frustrated dealing with the same contentions again and again! But I just find this interesting too. Because I don’t think people in the US believe that African American ‘blackness’ is solely genetic. It’s a sub-culture. We pay people vast sums to define ‘blackness’ so that it means in cultural terms ‘not-whiteness’.

    Secondly there are hereditarian authors who have given pretty compelling evidence that high performance in an immigrant population doesn’t necessarily entail a high IQ for the native population. I think all the work that’s been done on the Irish is a pretty good indicator of that. No one accuses the Irish of having high IQ’s despite the Irish diaspora doing well particularly in the US.

    And I appreciate that Chanda is now pivoting to ‘African’ solidarity to flank Mr Frost. But are Igbo and Yoruba IQ’s, African IQ’s? In my opinion, if evidence arose that the best exemplars of a theory had been engaged in bad behavior for which there is inference, that would be extra-bad.

    Both sides actually cannot have their cake, and eat it too.

    And have the arguments from 2015 about selection bias been rebutted? i.e., someone said this:

    As for selection among African immigrants, it is obvious and enormous. To use Nigerian immigrants to the US as an example, 58.6% have college degrees and 28.3% had graduate degrees. Among Nigerians as a whole, less than 10% have college degrees. The immigrants are therefore a highly non-representative selection of the Nigerian population.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States#Educational_attainment

    http://wenr.wes.org/2013/07/an-overview-of-education-in-nigeria/

    Couldn’t that explain the better US performance relative to African Americans? That comment was never responded to. Chanda has gone to the trouble of presenting a whole lot of data about African’s vocations in England to support a claim we’re getting representative cross-sections. But it’s one of the classic immigrant stories that the purportedly over-qualified are underemployed. High IQ people due to licensing requirements and other valid barriers can find it hard to progress. That was certainly the case for other immigrant populations until at least the second generation. But these are first generation occupations Chanda uses.

    From that 2015 article someone also made the observation that African performance in GSCE’s hasn’t flowed through to representation at the elite universities like Oxford.

    Is that indicative of the same kind of barriers to access white students in the US face that Unz has proven?

    I’m just trying to reason as to why more of the high GSCE performers aren’t admitted to Oxford. Than I’m trying to understand why the ones that are, are waging such an intense cultural warfare against white people who have provided the milieu they needed to self-actualize.

    I think it’s fair that Chanda has asked Peter Frost question 3. But equally, I would be interested to know the inverse of that question, except directed at Chanda.

    What would it mean if Peter Frost could provide evidence that there was cheating taking place? Or at least a reasonable inference?

    Frost has already given proof, not an accusation, proof, that cheating is very widespread in Nigeria. The New York Times have given proof of an almost unfathomable level of cheating being perpetrated by the Chinese in the United States. Ron Unz has demonstrated the group-level/administrative cheating taking place in the US Ivy League against whites.

    I just want to know if the author accepts that this evidence exists, that it is real, and if others can be perpetrators of cheating, is it possible at all that UK Africans could be beneficiaries? In any way? To any extent? Because I have to admit the arguments against cheating are not dissimilar to the arguments against US election fraud – which everyone knows actually ‘happened’. Even to the extent of ‘it won’t make a difference’ – a la Hillary Clinton.

    Someone should have asked respectfully and politely, instead of embarking on full-scale polemic, for the excerpts of tables of national results being cited that show a constant rate of passes for Igbo and Yoruba. Because it genuinely does seem very strange, that one set of results vary, and another set are constant, when both experience the same factors of variation. It’s a source of ongoing rumination, for example, from Strand et al 2015 (page 10):

    In contrast, EAL-Other-main students achieve significantly lower scores at age 14 than both English only and EAL-English-Main groups, regardless of when they arrived in the UK. The gap is large (around 0.50 SD) for UK born and those who entered the UK age 0-10, but even larger (-1.0 SD) for those who have very recently entered the UK age 11-14.

    So I’m genuinely trying to work how it’s possible for the Igbo and Yoruba who come to the UK aged 11-14, and are EAL-Other-main, to overcome a -1SD environmental disadvantage to the extent their pass rate per Chanda is equivalent to the students who arrived earlier or younger or older. A whole standard deviation before you even add or subtract all the other factors Strand et al 2015 discuss. Let alone the individual heredity-based IQ variance of kids in those cohorts.

    If the environment is being offset to such a degree you’re starting to look at IQ averages that are prohibitively high, even if you were to say that Africans actually have an IQ of 101.

    Because if what Chanda says is true, the kids with a literal 1 standard deviation disadvantage in performance from just one factor of eight, are getting the same pass-rates as the kids who are 1 standard deviation ahead before anyone even picks up a pencil.

    Someone overdid it with invective and damaged their points, but one knows there is something there. They know it. In the same way Unz knew that there was something wrong when he reconciled ethnic composition of US National Merit Awards and Ivy League admissions.

    Genuinely, I would really like to see some more analysis on this. Because if there are behaviors that can overcome discounts of the scale of 1 SD where kids who cannot actually speak English yet pass GSCE and lower level grade assessments at the same rate as kids who do speak it, the technique should be shared among all immigrants, not just the Igbo and Yoruba, and actually it should be taught to everybody.

    Because this is another thing I cannot understand.

    If Chanda is correct, and Africans actually have a much higher genetic IQ than white people, how is it possible that the African education system administrated by substantially superior human capital is so incomparably inferior to the system in the United Kingdom? Which even Chanda himself has stated. Why does a ‘white’ but swiftly less white context enable African actualization and Africa itself act to completely disable African performance? Why? Again, genuine question.

    It’s difficult to reconcile African reality with this nominal evidence of African intelligence, because wouldn’t you expect the former to be an emergent property of the latter?

    Whites haven’t governed most African countries now for decades and decades. I don’t understand why that human capital hasn’t yet created substantially superior economic capital.

    “I just want to know if this is just one of those many pointless debates that, besides being practically unfalsifiable under reasonable evidence, is also ultimately meaningless since it won’t even change anything”

    But if the situation was actually fair, this debate would change everything wouldn’t it?

    At the very least, wouldn’t it mean that additional funding for EAL Black-Africans should be ceased? Because Strand et al 2015 states this on page 12:

    It is reassuring that where EAL students have attended English schools for the whole of a key stage they make greater progress than FLE students, and indeed that by age 16 they have caught up with their FLE peers. However, such progress reflects a long history of considerable additional funding being directed to address language learning needs, first in the form of Section 11 of the 1966 Local Government Act and then from 1999 through the Ethnic Minority Achievement Grant (EMAG)

    “Considerable additional funding”.

    The basis for that funding is purported disadvantage.

    If in fact, there is no disadvantage, doesn’t that mean that equity, equality, and egalitarianism would require that funding be redirected from children and communities who do not need the funding, to the children and communities who do need it?

    There should be no affirmative action. There should no foreign aid. There should be no representations of victimization.

    I also can’t understand why all that extra resource which is unnecessary given these results doesn’t constitute an unfair advantage for EAL-students, particularly the Black-African EAL students who don’t need the funding.

    It’s extra resourcing, thousands of dollars a year – how can that possibly enable a shared environment? How?

    I’m not trying to be polarizing.

    I genuinely would be grateful to know from Chanda if the African community and African American community might relinquish the politics of identity and disadvantage and grievance and race if it were in fact proven, that they have superior average IQ (in a British context, not African) than British whites going to public school.

    Because that would be positive. Because those politics are forcing whites into very difficult and dangerous positions.

    But then, why wouldn’t the same arguments about institutional racism not then be applicable to white outcomes? Then you have this ridiculous situation where the only people in the world who are at fault for anything is whites, and for everyone else it’s just abstract and nebulous forces and institutions.

    Another thing which is hard to reconcile with all of this is the fact of falling IQ’s in Europe correlated with high immigration from non-Europeans. At the very least, the African contingents should be offsetting other contingents. But that also doesn’t seem to be apparent.

    By this I mean, if the African IQ’s are all wrong, wouldn’t that mean that essentially everybody’s’ IQ’s are wrong? Why hasn’t immigration to Europe had an enriching effect, like is now claimed for London, which again seems at odds with an incredible degradation in the London environment and massive increase in London crime even since the 90’s, let alone the 60’s?

    So we’re all left with many more questions.

    But this will certainly make a difference.

    It would vindicate Flynn, it would be highly damaging to African Americans, and it would require I would have thought a total re-conception of contemporary progressive/social-democrat social policy, wouldn’t it?

    I can’t over the implications for African-Americans. This would destroy them. Far from it proving a hypothesis of racism, it would prove a hypothesis of laziness and anti-intellectualism. Which I have to say, is a hypothesis that my black-African contemporaries themselves have wryly observed.

    I would hope at the very least, that the intelligent Igbo and Yoruba, even if they’re doing apparent deals to grease the wheels, a la the Chinese, might be a little more sympathetic to whites than African Americans and help to tone down all the eliminationist rhetoric which is causing so much polarisation and cynicism and increasing anger in whites who really do, actually, just want everyone to get along and for a fair playing field.

    You can just see it. Everybody is going to have to meet in the middle at Flynn.

  371. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    In my comment to which this note responds as emendation, I warned, at the outset, that I type badly and commit typing/editing errors. My wife read the comment and suggested that I committed typing/editing errors in the first sentence of the comment’s second paragraph. That sentence is this:

    I have encountered just one somewhat-interesting superficially plausible argument that intelligence is mostly a function of inherited genetic structure, that an IQ test result can be primary (though not alone sufficient) valid, reliable indicator of level of inborn intelligence.

    The typing/editing errors are (a) the absence of the terms “criticism of the,” which ought to appear between the terms “superficially plausible” and the terms “argument that intelligence is mostly a function” and (b) the absence of the term “and” instead of the comma that precedes the terms “that an IQ test result….” The sentence ought to be this:

    I have encountered just one somewhat-interesting superficially plausible criticism of the argument that intelligence is mostly a function of inherited genetic structure and that an IQ test result can be primary (though not alone sufficient) valid, reliable indicator of level of inborn intelligence.

    The errors resulted from my botching a compound cut-and-paste edit. Please accept my regretful apology.

  372. @Slimer

    Looking at that again I notice that he provides a graphic table which he says is supposed to give a measurement of the deficiency by which men fall short of average sexual attractiveness in comparison with women as a group. He assigns white men a negative value of -0.17184 and black men the negative value of -0.22846. He precedes this graph with the statement that “races do not differ in physical attractiveness among men, as the following graph shows.”

    Not only does that statement contradict the later statement that “black men are significantly more physically attractive,” but it even conflicts with his own tabular data. If he is right about those negative values given earlier, then the deficiency of attractiveness among white men (-0.17184) is actually less than the similar deficiency among black men (-0.22846). Again the formal results which he claims to have arrived at don’t match with the informal comments which he makes. I personally don’t know how much trust should be put in such numbers, but the numbers themselves obviously don’t match with the other comments.

  373. Orkhon says:

    IQ issue is too politically and socially loaded for there ever being a reasonable conclusion accepted by any informed body of researchers. Plus ça change …

    The only indisputable fact is- even if Ashkenazi IQ is as high as is reported, because of population size, there will always be a wide preponderance of Goyim, even at the extreme right of the bell curve. Networking/nepotism, in-group preferences may be at play.

    Also, nobody mentions Israeli IQ of closer to 90. Does that include Arab Israelis? In any event, for average IQ in Israel to be around 90, a lot of non-Ashkenazi Jews and Israeli Arabs would have to have an incredibly low IQ.

  374. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Chanda Chisala

    So, you are now saying it is only the Yoruba who cheat and not the other African groups

    It’s not just cheating. Nor am I saying that Yoruba are more inclined to cheating than other Africans.

    The Yoruba were the largest African community in the UK at the time of that study. So Yoruba kids had more community resources at their disposal. Those resources included tutoring services and informal “coaching” within the community. Finally, we come to cheating. This often involves renting a stand-in who is (1) intelligent and (2) physically similar to the student in question.

    It’s much easier to find a stand-in within a large community than within a small one. A small community has fewer individuals who are both intelligent and physically similar. In addition, there are fewer middlemen who can point you in the right direction.

    If we go back to the table of GCSE results for 2009-2011, we find a strong correlation between the size of the ethnic community and the gain in GCSE results between 2009 and 2011:

    Yoruba : 90 students / gain of 36 percentage points
    Somali : 53 students / gain of 13 percentage points
    Twi-Fante : 37 students / loss of 3 percentage points
    Igbo : 16 students / loss of 24 percentage points
    Krio : 12 students / gain of 4 percentage points
    Tigrinya : 12 students / loss of 8 percentage points
    Lingala : 12 students / loss of 5 percentage points
    Ga : 8 students / gain of 9 percentage points
    Swahili : 8 students / gain of 10 percentage points

    The two largest gains were made by the two largest groups: the Yoruba and the Somali. If those changes between 2009 and 2011 were simply statistical noise, why do we see the largest gains in the largest groups? Shouldn’t we see the reverse? Shouldn’t the smallest groups show the most year-to-year volatility?

    What will it mean if you find (or I show you) dispositive evidence (hypothetically) that there is *no* cheating OR any other kinds of shenanigans or illegitimate methods of raising scores

    It would still mean nothing to me. We still have to exclude the legitimate methods (tutoring, coaching, etc.). Please don’t get me wrong. I’m in favor of tutoring (I’ve worked as a tutor). But if some students get tutored and others do not, the “environmental” variance of IQ will be increased. We’re interested, here, in the genetic variance. How much of the variance in Nigerian IQ is due to genetic factors?

    I get the impression that the word “cheating” is raising the room temperature. Perhaps I should find another word.

    Will it mean that you will now reject IQ 70 or 85 (or whatever IQ you believe the Africans/Nigerians/Yoruba etc have

    I don’t believe that Africans are a monolith. There is probably significant variation in IQ between different ethnic groups. The Igbo repeatedly stand out as a group of high achievers. I’d like to know why. I believe that Nigerian IQ should be a research priority, not only in terms of finding the average IQ of Nigerians but also in terms of knowing the average for each ethnic group within the country.

  375. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Frost

    Someone was not just polemic, but actually highly abusive and caustic and out of order, and they apologize.

    Constant accusation, recrimination and requirements of reeducation from various parties and declarations of allegiance to lies can have a cauterizing effect. Watching everything slowly collapsing because of endless litanies of lies that are enforced ruthlessly & verminously also has an effect.

    Flynn – the ignored elephant in the room

    I’m disappointed that nobody on any side of the debate is going to acknowledge that Flynn exists, and that his work on the 1966 graduating class of Chinese-Americans showing performance above measured IQ of 21 points has any relevance to anything.

    Maybe the Chinese class was cheating, and that’s why we’re not acknowledging the work. Or maybe they actually weren’t, on that rare occasion. But it does seem strange there is a deafening silence in response to that 21 point out-performance of measured IQ’s.

    The curious conundrum of cohort constancy despite factors of massive variation

    Similarly, apparently the lack of swings in Igbo and Yoruba marks from 4th grade to 11th grade is of zero import. I find that difficult to understand, and also somewhat angering as to why that is the case.

    We have, eight factors of variation which impede educational attainment measured by Oxford University. One of those measures, is very large. 0.5 Standard Deviations for EAL students, regardless of when they arrived. for UK born and UK-arrived aged 0-10. It’s 1 entire standard deviation, for recent arrivals aged 11-14. . This is *one* of *eight* factors.

    Within every cohort of Nigerians, there will be a different of kids experiencing that factor. Mr Chisala himself said that the no of kids who are EAL or recent arrivals at any given time is random. Nigerians are immigrating to the US all the time, with varying rates of English. So in any grade of Nigerians there should be a different number of children experiencing these impediments to educational attainment.

    We then have this statement:

    We already had a long back and forth on your puzzling inability to understand that table.

    It’s a small sample of TOTALLY DIFFERENT students in each of those years from one area in London.

    You keep working on the assumption that it is the same students taking the GCSE in different years, which would make the swings harder to explain. If it is DIFFERENT students, the explanation is easy: in some years there may be many more recent immigrants than in others — and Strand et al have already shown that recency of arrival is a big problem on performance on GCSEs, and ethnic groups are not equal in their numbers of recents

    Which is why we decided to look at the more NATIONAL samples (from Strand et al) and no such swings were seen at all: not even from 4th grade to 11th grade. Yoruba had approximately same pass rate nationally in fourth grade and in 11th grade. As did Igbo.

    https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/23323/EAL_and_educational_achievement2.pdf?sequence=1

    Someone who can’t control their temper & was unreasonably abusive and apologizes spoiled it, but it’s the statement contrasting national results with the local results with 39%-75% that is intriguing “no such swings were seen at all, not even from 4th grade to 11th grade

    Same pass rate for Yoruba and Igbo nationally in fourth grade, and in the 11th grade.

    Again, maybe there’s some other reason this cannot be examined. Who knows where these comments are sent these days.

    [MORE]

    But, why and how is that possible? There are so many issues with the constancy given the findings of Strand et al (2015).

    Every single cohort of children in that national sample from 4th grade to 11th grade must have a different Strand profile, let’s call it. There must be a different number of children who are at the very least, EAL-Other-Main, and more or less recent arrivals.

    There must be, because that’s the basis for all the variance in that smaller sample, to explain Yoruba going from 39%-75%.

    Again, and again, how is it possible for these cohorts to get, quote “approximately the same pass-rate nationally in 4th grade and 11th grade”. It is different cohorts of children, with different Strand profiles.

    How is it possible for a cohort with a much larger number of EAL-Other-Main kids as well as more recent arrivals who literally cannot speak English, to get the same pass-rates as cohorts with less EAL-Other-Main kids and less recent arrivals?

    It’s a fair assumption to state, that the cohorts must have different Strand profiles, because that is the explanation for all the pass-rate variation in the smaller non-national sample Frost and Chisala keep engaging on. We don’t know for certain, well, really we do. It is certain. There is no possible way successive cohorts of immigrants are exactly the same in every dimension. So it is certain.

    Why hasn’t engagement on this debate moved to contrast with the national sample?

    Another issue is, one of the Strand et al 2015 factors, in fact the primary one, is age. Strand point out that older students have learned better English then younger students. They’ve simply had more time, been subject to more necessity. Accordingly, one of the first things they say is that the EAL effect dissipates by the time EAL students turn 16.

    How then, is it possible for cohorts of older children to get the same approximate pass rate, as cohorts of younger children?

    That in an of itself, is almost as absurd as the constancy despite differences in the no of children in each cohort who arrived at different times.

    The older cohorts should be getting a higher pass-rate then their younger brethren – simply because they’ve had more time to learn English, and have ‘had-to’ learn more English. They should be doing better. And it doesn’t matter if it’s the same kid. Any older kid who is or was EAL-Main-Other should be doing better then a younger kid who is EAL-Main-Other.

    Again, you could go down the line. Gender is an effect. Within any cohort of children, there will be a different number of girls vs boys. i,e. the Grade 4 Nigerians will probably have a different no of boys and girls compared to say, Grade 10. Maybe for Africans the girls like Chindera Ota actually are an exception to the rule. But that hasn’t been proven. We just have a paper which shows that gender effects educational attainment, in favour of males. So how can different cohorts with different numbers of girls and boys, get the same approximate pass-rates, from age 9-10 all the way up to age 14,15,16.

    I don’t know the exact British age-brackets for their grades, but it doesn’t actually impact the argument.

    Again – how can every cohort be getting the same approximate pass-rates both for GSCE and pre-GSCE (so younger kids) when I *know* for a fact, having spent a lot of time in London, and knowing people, that Nigerians live in different neighbourhoods. i.e. some live outside of London, some in London, some in better parts of London.

    According to Strand et al 2015, Neighbourhood deprivation also has a strong effect on educational attainment.

    How can every single cohort of Nigerian children, all have essentially the same level of neighbourhood deprivation? How, for every cohort, can there be no differential in the overall level of neighbourhood deprivation? At the very least, you would expect that the more recent arrivals not only will have worse English, but they will live in more deprived neighbourhoods, whilst they get on their feet.

    So a cohort that has more recent arrivals, as Chanda argued for the smaller 09-11 sample, should have much worse pass-rates then a cohort with less recent arrivals.

    But the rates are approximately the same, for every cohort, regardless of that cohort’s Strand profile. That is not possible.

    Someone could literally do this, in a more formal and less sarcastic and abrasive manner, for every one of those eight factors.

    In those circumstances, it, genuinely, seems impossible for the pass-rates to be approximately the same for every single cohort – for the sub-communities that have been there the longest and are the most successful.

    If these results were applicable to an American population, or an Australian one, there would be alarm-bells. There simply would be.

    It has the look and feel of some form of machine that ensures some kind of floor, threshold, quota. The kind of machine we’ve seen so prevalent in Democratic fortress cities and states in the United States that are totally corrupt, and totally opaque, who likewise argue that noticing and intervening ‘wouldn’t change anything anyway’. Well, it looks like the US is finished, but that remains to be seen, there is always hope.

    I don’t want to raise the temperature having already raised it, but this isn’t going to go away – and it would be good if someone else, maybe not Frost, but someone else at the Unz review could look into this in earnest.

    Because you can just see how these results are going to be framed.

    I can’t understand why no one else sees any difficulty here.

    There are still a lot of other issues.

    Lack of shared environment

    One simple issue is the lack of a constant environment as between the FLE and EAL students. The latter are getting thousands and thousands of dollars extra funding, per child, every year. There is absolutely no question, that were the funding being directed to actual English children that would be regarded as totally unconscionable and stopped immediately. Because it would be regarded as creating an unequal environment.

    How can anyone compare students who get thousands, and thousands of dollars more funding, per child, than their peers and fellow pupils? That is not a shared environment. That supports what Frost is saying. The only tangible product that extra public funding could be purchasing is additional teacher hours, tutoring, extra-curricular resources, and just extra educational facility for the EAL kids compared to the white kids. Period. Otherwise, what is the POINT of the extra funding?

    We’re not comparing apples with oranges.

    Implications

    The implications of a successful readjustment of IQ by Mr Chisala would be tectonic.

    They would challenge the entire basis of the culture of victimhood. Because it’s purveyors would be forced, to concede, that their only concern is damaging white people, not securing equality of outcome.

    Because, and again my cynicism is dangerously high, as always. I suspect that even if Mr Chisala proved that Africans don’t need any extra resources from white people to thrive, we will still be told that we have to cripple our economies and own prospects for reasons of punishment, and then of course, reparation.

    Because, this is what is so dangerous here.

    If Nigerians prove that Nigerians can thrive in a given environment, other black people and non-whites cannot then argue that the environment is causing their outcomes. It can’t. African Americans cannot say their ‘blackness’ and responding racism is causing their outcomes, when Nigerians who also have *genetic* as opposed to *cultural* blackness thrive in the same environment.

    As was stated, the results of Strand et al (2015) showing that EAL ‘Black-Africa’ students actually have an ethnic advantage in England, by themselves mean that all additional funding and resourcing should be cut off, immediately. And given to the children and families who actually need it, which we can see is the white children and their families.

    But proving superior IQ’s? Every single measure put in place since about 1941, should be immediately rescinded, voided, and eliminated. Because people with superior IQ’s, do not need assistance from people with inferior IQ’s.

    Quite how this basic reality seems to be eluding people who seem to want to a) assert superiority b) maintain a culture of redistribution based on alleged inferiority, in turn eludes many of us.

    And there the cynicism and caustic tone recurs, and apologies again.

    But it just gets relentlessly provocative, to see again, and again, and again, Flynn being ignored when he shouldn’t be but also, results that if they were apparent for Whites would cause a firestorm, relentlessly discounted and relegated and explained away.

    Like the Chinese, where we have estimates, again, that half of the students have entirely fabricated their entire High-School records to get into US universities.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/education/edlife/the-china-conundrum.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp

    Zinch China, a consulting company that advises American colleges and universities about China, last year published a report based on interviews with 250 Beijing high school students bound for the United States, their parents, and a dozen agents and admissions consultants. The company concluded that 90 percent of Chinese applicants submit false recommendations, 70 percent have other people write their personal essays, 50 percent have forged high school transcripts and 10 percent list academic awards and other achievements they did not receive. The “tide of application fraud,” the report predicted, will likely only worsen as more students go to America.

    At Kansas State this fall, several Chinese students showed up for classes but did not match the security photos that were snapped when they supposedly took the Toefl months earlier.

    But Dr. Harker rejects the notion that the university’s recruiting effort in China is mainly about money. “The students from New Jersey pay, too,” he says. “For us it really is about diversity.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/06/03/sat-cheating-scandal-broadens-with-indictment-of-15-chinese-nationals/

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14951

    The one thing that should not be accepted by anyone, is this idea that non-whites are incapable of cheating.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/445036/sat-and-the-culture-of-exam-cheating-across-asia

    Late last month, the Educational Testing Service (ETS) — which administers the SAT for the 6,000 colleges and universities represented by the College Board — temporarily withheld scores from Chinese and South Korean students who had taken the test in October.

    Many were suspected to have procured questions and answers — which had previously been administered in other parts of the world — in advance. (ETS says that all students have now been given their scores, except for those who took the test outside their home countries.)

    Same arguments as election fraud – just sweep it under the rug, say it couldn’t possibly exist, effect outrage at the mere notion, browbeat anyone into submission.

    Cheating, exists. Non-whites, cheat, a lot, all the time, on every single exam. Especially, SAT’s, and GSCE equivalents, and College admissions.

    Nihilism beckons. As Mr Chisala says, what difference, at this point, does it make?

    Whites should start cheating. They should, it’s a cheating arms race, and all this make-believe about the noble nature of these diverse superiors has just led to unilateral disarmament.

    Anyone who argues that it is simply outrageous and offends the dignity to ever suggest cheating, however defined, might be occurring in relation to anomalous statistical findings is simply being disingenuous.

    You could add dozens of stories here about Indians, and Nigerians, and Koreans, and everyone else. But this comment is already too long.

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  376. @Peter Frost

    The two largest gains were made by the two largest groups: the Yoruba and the Somali. If those changes between 2009 and 2011 were simply statistical noise, why do we see the largest gains in the largest groups?

    Didn’t the Lingala (12 people) go from 0 to 45 in those same years?
    And my other question?

    Chanda Chisala: 2. How have you determined the threshold number of students a group should have for their results to escape that statistical “noise” barrier and be meaningful? (In other words, what’s “too few”?)

    [Note also that the “90” for Yorubas is for *all* three years, and the distribution (as far as I know) is unknown: it could be 60, 20 and 10 in those years, for example: would that make at least one of those years too small to count? Your ad hoc responses are all just-so stories, in short.

    I can also just as easily claim that “the smaller groups don’t improve their scores so quickly over time because, unlike the bigger groups, they have fewer friends to discuss challenging school work with…,” which might even make more sense than your random “explanation,” but they are both just-so stories; without actual evidence of your claims, you can just keep making up more and more of these just-so stories from your rich imagination, and only some real idiot will be convinced that you have finally divined the truth!]

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    , @Peter Frost
  377. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I’m disappointed that nobody on any side of the debate is going to acknowledge that Flynn exists

    Although there is much relating to Flynn’s work that could be mentioned here, I did allude to it, sort of, at #229.

    And you are certainly correct in drawing attention to the general meaninglessness of group IQ comparisons when there are cultural and environmental differences among the groups.

    And, as a matter of fact, there are inevitably significant cultural and environmental differences among significantly different human groups, so all group comparisons of IQ are, basically, of the nature of odiferous organic waste material — their only purpose, so it would seem, being to bolster the self-esteem of those making the comparisons.

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  378. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    …only some real idiot will be convinced that you have finally divined the truth!

    You, Chisala, are the real idiot, who thinks we must swallow your dreck.

  379. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Frost

    Nigerian cheating is a ‘Just-so’ story?

    Isn’t it just fair analysis?

    ‘Just-so’ evidence of Nigerian cheating.

    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1159043.pdf

    Common Cheating Behaviour Among Nigerian University Students: A Case Study of University of Ado-Ekiti, Nigerian.

    By S.O. Adebayo, Department of Psychology, University of Ado-Ekiti, Nigeria.

    The present study investigates the frequency of occurrences of some twenty one cheating behaviours among Nigerian University students and the reasons offered by them for engaging in these untoward behaviors. Participants are one hundred and fifty undergraduates in 200 and 300 levels of the Social and Management Science Faculty of a Nigerian University.

    Data analysis include frequency counts, ranks and chi-square, data revealed that the four cheating behaviours, which fell within collaborative cheating, were claimed to be the most frequent. They are: (1) premeditated collusion between two or more students to communicate answers to each other during examinations (2)doing another students’ coursework for them (3)
    allowing own coursework to be copied by another student and (4) agreement to mark each others work more generously than is merited. Analysis of data on reasons for engaging in these behaviors also revealed that the most frequently offered reason was “ to help a friend”, this suggests an altruistic reason.

    Nigerian cheating is just altruism.

    From the results it is observed that the type of cheating behaviors engaging in by Nigerian University students are quite different from those engaged in by British University Students. Most frequently occurring cheating behaviors among the Nigerian sample fall under the factors that Newstead et al (1996) have described as collaborative cheating and examination colluding.

    This is quite interesting, because you now have a classified list of Nigerian cheating behaviors that have been compared and contrasted with the English.

    To do so will be to ignore the obvious fact that while some of these cheating behavior are low in ranks among the Nigerian sample higher percentage of this sample still engage in the than
    the percentage of British sample as reported by Newstead et al (1996). For example, while “taking an examination for someone else” (impersonating) ranks 21st among the British sample, only 1% of this sample reported involvement unlike the Nigerian sample that ranked it 20th with 20% of the sample involved. Similarly, while “copying another student’s coursework without their knowledge” is ranked 21st by the Nigerian sample with 18% reporting involvement, it is ranked 16th by the British sample with only 6% reporting involvement. The long and short of this account is that cheating behavior in whatever form is more rampant among the Nigerian University sample, only that collaborative and collusion cheating are the most frequent.

    So Nigerians cheat much, much more in every kind of cheating than white British students, and the kinds of cheating they engage in at College are entirely consistent with superficial results on GSCE’s and SAT’s. i.e. “taking an examination for someone else” in a sample of 150 students at a Nigerian College, had been done by 20% of the students. 30 of the 150 had taken an examination for someone else.

    Can you even imagine white students doing that? It’s incredible.

    Look at the list of 21 and the frequencies on page 21. It’s perverse. The rate of cheating is just absurd.

    i.e. 73% permitted their coursework to be copied
    50% fabricated references/biographies
    65% engaged in collaborative generous ethnic/tribal marking of coursework
    50% submitted joint work as an individual
    78% said they’d done another students course work for them
    24% illicit material into an exam
    45% submitting work from an outside source
    20% took an examination for someone else
    54% Altered data

    It’s unfathomable. Maybe this is a reason why things are the way they actually are in Nigeria, regardless of the IQ that is being lent to this unfathomable, society-defeating level of cheating

    University students are just GSCE taking students a few years older, aren’t they Mr Frost?

    [MORE]

    The reasons for the cheating are given on page 149. Interestingly peer pressure ranks high. “Essay banking” is due to monetary reward . How interesting. So is “Advance info” Like the Koreans and the Chinese cheating on their SAT’s. This is from 2011, techniques would have been advanced enormously by the Chinese.

    They Invent Data due to time pressure. Inventing data – how very interesting.

    https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=2019020414164283

    African universities have to adopt e-exams to cope with…rising incidents of grade tampering and cheating.

    Ah – cheating in Nigerian schools, as opposed to slightly older students at universities:

    https://guardian.ng/features/exam-malpractice-as-festering-gangrene-in-nigerian-schools/

    This is a really good article, which outlines some of the milestones and history of the cheating culture in Nigeria, for anyone who is interested. There have been a number of councils convened, and commissions commissioned by the West African Examination Council, in 1970, in 1977, to no avail. Look at these numbers:

    By the year 2000, about six per cent of 636,064 West African Examination Council’s candidates were involved in one sharp practice or the other. But then, it was only the tip of the iceberg.

    In 2001, five per cent of the 1,025,185 examination candidates sought the shortcut to pass. In 2002, 10.5 per cent of the 909,888 examination candidates got involved in examination malpractice.

    In 2003, the percentage of examination malpractices moved up to 11 per cent from 1,066,831 candidates who sat the examination. The year 2004 saw another increment: out of the 1,035,280 candidates, 11 per cent cheated. The figures have been on the rise on a year-on-year basis.

    So it’s about 0.5% a year. So by 2020 you’re looking at nearly 20% of all exam takers cheating in Nigeria. But they would never cheat in England.

    In 2018, Nigeria’s Minister of Finance, Mrs. Kemi Adeosun, was busted for possessing a forged National Youth Service Corps (NYSC) certificate.

    In public schools, students who paid enough are provided with answers while the invigilators are bribed to turn a blind eye.

    Onyechere explained, “Exam malpractice has since gone beyond being a matter of indiscretion by students trying to secure an unfair advantage to pass examinations. It is now an organised criminal enterprise with ready marketing, willing and conniving parents and school operators.

    Entrepreneurialism. It’s wonderful entrepreneurialism.

    https://www.sunnewsonline.com/new-era-as-students-cheating-in-exams-gain-momentum/

    Cheating is an accept norm, according to an admirable Nigerian fellow – Raphael.

    https://www.globalacademicgroup.com/journals/nact/ATTITUDE%20333.pdf

    ATTITUDE, PERCEPTIONS AND TENDENCIES TOWARDS CHEATING ON EXAMS OF
    UNIVERSITY AND COLLEGE OF EDUCATION SCIENCE STUDENTS

    Mr Ajaja surveyed 425 subjects.

    He found:

    The data collected were analysed with chi-square and t-test statistics. The major findings of the study indicate that university and college science students had significantly different positions on examination malpractices. They also have different impressions on whether or not cheating had occurred. University and College students again had significantly different beliefs about cheating on exams. While 30.1% of university science students were assumed to cheat in exams, 51.6% of college students are most likely to cheat in exams. It is concluded that the high incidence of cheating on exams as indicated among colleges of education science students is due to the inability of the college authorities to enforce serious punishments on exam cheats.

    Half, the sample of College students, i.e. GSCE takers, ‘are most likely to cheat in exams’ – per Mr Ajaja, PHD.

    Instruments
    The major instrument, used for data collection modeled from the one used by Lupton and
    Chapman (2003), is a questionnaire called Science Students Cheating Tendencies Questionnaire
    (SSCTQ)

    Again, look at the percentages of admission to cheating, or knowledge of cheating by others:

    Know students who have cheated on an exam at university/college – 76.3%
    Given students in a later class information about an exam – 73.4%
    Received exam information from a student in an earlier class – 83.2%
    Cheating at some point in secondary school – 47%

    https://www.icirnigeria.org/principals-invigilators-candidates-collaborate-to-cheat-during-exams-waec-alleges/

    The West African Examination Council (WAEC) has claimed that secondary school principals and invigilators collaborate to help candidates cheat during exams.

    It would be really interesting to see if there are examinations in England which have African faculty and African invigilators.

    https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-981-287-079-7_9-1?error=cookies_not_supported&code=e83c52f5-5cba-432b-90e5-d17a926fa1db

    This paper talks about the major, almost insurmountable challenges, of somehow trying to institute a culture of integrity in the Nigerian academic system. It seems, an impossible challenge.

    https://www.pulse.ng/communities/student/examination-malpractice-5-websites-in-alleged-sales-of-waec-exam-questions-and/fgr0ed4

    5 Nigerian websites had to be shut down because they were selling live examination papers to Nigerian students.

    https://allafrica.com/stories/201905210404.html

    The crisis continues, in 2018.

    https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/6839834

    This is quite interesting – a taxonomy of examination malpractice and implications for national development.

    Yes, others have noticed that these IQ’s are not producing a functioning society.

    It’s very odd how the same kind of phenomena plaguing Nigeria has started becoming unmistakeable in the United Kingdom and in the United States.

    Sanitation not working, electricity not working, infrastructure generally not working, things just not working. Why? What could be the reason?

    Racism. That’s it. The reason must be racism.

    https://scholarworks.uni.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1222&context=agss

    Are any of the British examinations multichoice?

    This is a presentation about causes and examples of Nigerian cheating.

    One of the slides talks about Collaborative-cheating Methods:

    – Impersonation
    – Using body parts (best used with multiple choice questions)
    – eye=A
    – nose=B
    – ear=C
    – chin=D

    The key references for that study cite 11 different studies on the rampant cheating that occurs in Nigeria, but also in African generally, so we’re also looking at Lusaka in Zambia, and there are a couple of papers from Pakistan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/apr/10/more-university-students-are-using-tech-to-in-exams

    One of the worst culprits of cheating is Queen Mary University in London.

    Guess who Queen Mary University in London celebrates as a key component of their diversity?
    https://www.qmul.ac.uk/alumni/alumninetwork/internationalalumni/nigeria/

    They had a big meeting in Lagos, Nigeria.

    https://wenr.wes.org/2017/03/education-in-nigeria

    The West African Examinations Council (WAEC) has deemed it necessary to start using biometric fingerprint technology when admitting students to SSC examinations. In 2015, WAEC stated that Nigeria had the highest number of cheating incidents of all five countries in which the Council operates. the following year, WAEC ceased recognizing 113 Nigerian secondary schools implicated in examination malpractice, and annulled the results of some 30, 654 candidates who sat for the 2012 SSC exams. The extent of fraud in university applications has caused the Council to develop an elaborate scratch-card system that utilizes an online pin-code verification method to verify the authenticity of exam results.

    So here is a question – are any of these measures necessary to offset Nigerian cheating practices being instituted in the United Kingdom?

    It’s a rhetorical question, because the answer is no, because that would be racist.

    https://www.devex.com/news/nigeria-s-medical-brain-drain-93837

    Everything nationalists say about the effect of brain-drains is true. Look at this.

    It is not known exactly how many doctors have left the country. In 2017, a Nigerian Medical Association official, Olumuyiwa Odusote, told local media that 40,000 Nigerian doctors were practicing outside the country — around half of all doctors Nigeria has trained since the 1960s.

    Half the doctors trained in Nigeria since 1960 don’t practice in Nigeria.

    Meanwhile only one third of Nigerians get a doctors to handle their pregnancy.

    Given all of this evidence of Nigerian cheating to the point of absurdity, wouldn’t it be a fair comment that cheating is a reasonable inference for statistically anomalous results in the United Kingdom?

    Nigerian cheating has defeated every attempt to prevent it in Nigeria – in the United Kingdom the idea of imprisoning Nigerians for 5 years for cheating would be considered laughable. Yet that’s what they did in Nigeria to offset the cheating.

    Why haven’t we ever heard anything about this from people who, as community leaders, must be conversant with all of these issues affecting their country and people in minute detail?

    What would happen, you wonder, if there was ever allowed to be a fair investigation of Nigerian student practices in the United Kingdom?

    [I just want to know if this is just one of those many pointless debates that, besides being practically unfalsifiable under reasonable evidence, is also ultimately meaningless since it won’t even change anything.]

    It’s not a pointless debate. We’re learning so much.

    We’re learning that we have to question absolutely everything – everything.

    I now wonder, if Chindera Ota, or others like her, have ever been pressured by members of their community to engage in some of the collaborative cheating techniques for the benefit of her community?

    I wonder, if it’s at all possible for this culture of cheating to have been carried into the United Kingdom?

    I wonder, given what we know about the degree of official collaboration in the events of Rotherham, if there has been collaboration in relation to these extraordinary exam results?

    100% Igbo GSCE pass rates huh. 100%.

    Yoruba doubling their results rate in 3 years.

    All these other groups, getting results that are much better than what they get in Africa.

    No one has ever cheated.

    White societies are just virgin territory for the rapine – that’s what’s becoming more and more clear, every single day.

    Having now given this tiny sample of evidence of Nigerian cheating, perhaps people have been too hasty about the African Americans.

    It might actually be possible, that African Americans whilst being more dysfunctional, are also possibly more honest than their native brethren. Because African Americans may have imbued in them more of an American ethos of individualism. Who knows.

    It’s such a shame. You now have to basically question Nigerian qualifications in the West in their totality.

    The absence of public evidence is not the absence of evidence. If there ever actually was a real investigation into Nigerian activities in the UK, who knows what it would find.

    This is really another black-pill. The future managerial class of the UK actually do not know what they are doing, because the probabilities are high that there was cheating involved at some point in the chain.

    https://madailygist.ng/2015/check-out-top-15-ways-nigerian-students-cheat-during-exams-see-photos/

    The different methods of cheating actually have cute Nigerian nicknames and Pseudonyms. Like ‘expo’, ‘nje’, ‘microchip’, ‘chukuly’ and several others.

    And we’re expected to believe that there is none of this occurring in the United Kingdom?

    You have to choose the white doctor. It’s really unfortunate. But what other choice is there? If at all possible. Imagine how many honest students have lost their rightful places in courses and in professions because of this culture of cheating amongst all our new friends that have been brought into the West, Mr Frost.

    What is a different word to cheating. What about – cold war. Is that a word to describe it? What’s a suitable response? What about cultural desceration?

    As has been stated, nothing will be done, the cheating, like the raping, will be permitted to continue for the foreseeable future. Perhaps until the Indians and the Chinese and the Jews feel like their cheating is now under threat and start to come into conflict with this cheating.

    I wonder how many students at MIT actually cheated to get in, and then were able to just reach the standard having got there? Does that make it okay?

    You actually now find yourself even less willing to accept claims being made and apparent marks being presented, than you were before.

    It’s a real shame. There is no degree of cynicism too high. This is going to end really badly for everyone.

    Whites need to start cheating. They’re being cheated so badly, by so many, it’s simply unbelievable. Everything is getting worse, breaking down, not working properly, not functioning, because we have been simply swamped by cheating that most whites cannot even culturally perceive – it’s so wildly beyond their paradigms and expectations.

    Even for hardened cynics, these results are just amusing in their perversity.

    There must be some connection with this sort of group cheating activity, and the group raping activity we are seeing, where rape happens in large groups. It’s really quite remarkable.

    Ah well.

    All of this will be ready for the next round of engagement.

    The curious conundrum of Igbo and Yoruba constancy of pass-rates despite factors of massive variation now seems less remote and more understandable.

    What we are seeing with Igbo and Yoruba pass-rates is really GSCE rates and marks being a function of the highest performers engaged in collaborate cheating. Until there is a Royal Commission, that has to be the perception because it is impossible to believe that the culture of Nigeria isn’t being practiced by Nigerians in the UK when the rewards are so high, and so sweet.

    What are people supposed to do in the face of this? You just shrug and accept that this is why we can’t have nice things.

    But it is amusing that even total success will dispel the social-science of disadvantage forever and destroy the African-American project of the past 60 years in the United States.

    It’s a real shame, because there was real hope for genuine collaboration and solidarity once upon a time. That hope has been burnt at the stake on the pyres of cynicism of the people who tell us about ourselves.

  380. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Thanks buddy.

    Yeah you sort of did – that family environment, sub-cultural stuff is all merged into the conscientiousness factor everyone wants to ignore which is seeing more and more evidence of congruence.

    Having now researched the Nigerian cheating habits you’re starting to think that conscientiousness is really being dedicated to the apparatus of cheating. It really does look like these group results are actually measuring the fastest and strongest ship in the convoy.

    These dissipated, raped, white children who are cattle in a tundra full of wolves and Hyenas and Jackals and Buzzards and tapeworms have no chance. They have no chance. Not because they have lesser IQ’s, not because they are lesser moral beings. Precisely because they bear the remnants of the ancient culture of neutral norms, neutral normative ends, and universal morality, as well as individual responsibility.

    Flynn deserves something for his lifelong labours. Pretty sad to have your books banned by the people you thought were your friends having worked to help them your entire life. A ban supported by both the black friends you thought you had, and also the white socialist/communist/marxist friends you thought you had.

    Flynn’s life is probably a good summation of the good-faith attempts of white people to help everyone, only to be betrayed at the last by everyone, and than cast aside and memory holed and spurned.

    I have no doubt that in time, every single aspect of life in the UK will be attributed to it’s newcomers.

    The problem is that Flynn never dismissed IQ, because it cannot be dismissed. It is real – you have to treat it as real due to all the science that has been undertaken on heredity, twins, and genetics. It provides a higher base from which to supercharge fuel-injected labours.

    Flynn just conceived of all these questions, articulated related paradoxes, than sought to solve the paradoxes with good-faith and openness to implications, whatever they might be.

    The Flynn Effect he found by identifying 4 major paradoxes. You have to keep IQ due to The Identical Twins Paradox

    There is no doubt that twins separated at birth, and raised apart, have very similar IQ’s, presumably because of their identical genes. Indeed a wide range of studies show that genes dominate individual differences in IQ and that environment is feeble. And yet, IQ gains are so great (over time) as to signal the existence of environmental factors of enormous potency. How can environment be both so feeble and so potent?

    It’s a shame he’s dead. He’s the only person who has dealt with the reality of both potent environmental factors affecting IQ expression, and the genetic reality of IQ as an explanation for individual differences.

    And the lack of understanding of his work and it’s referents means the debate keeps swirling around all this irrelevancy and periphery.

    There is going to be a real hole when the Boomers are all gone. Because some of them did good work, and if you don’t literally have the books in your hand that work will be simply discarded.

    It’s going to fall to us to try and preserve and conserve some degree of truth in the face of this total chaos of cheating and lying and fraud we’re dealing with at every level of society.

    You all have to read Joseph Heinrich.

    Because the core assumption behind globalism was that different cultures and people could share a western metaphysics, ontology, epistemology, & morality. And that simply wasn’t & isn’t the case.

    Flynn made that assumption, and he was wrong. To be fair to him, all the good-faith actors were wrong.

    The Nigerian triumphalism in the UK is not dissimilar to what Nathaniel Weyl (1966, 1969) was writing about the Chinese at the time. His theory was that whites could only maintain dominance where they had political connections.

    Given what we now know about various political connections to different parts of the world, it seems Mr Weyl was wrong too.

    I’m reminded actually of this scene in Man of Steel – which is an underrated movie:

    Faora-Ul says to superman

    “You are weak, son of El, unsure of yourself. The fact that you possess a sense of morality, and we do not, gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history has proven anything, it is that evolution always wins”.

    Well that depends on how you define evolution.

    If everyone in a society takes the Nigerian approach, which is a good exemplar of the general non-western approach which recognizes no neutral norms or universal morality, the society will fail. It will always, fail. Like it’