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For more than a year now, I’ve been publishing a series of articles and columns discussing the origins of the global Covid-19 epidemic and strongly arguing that the outbreak represented an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). Here are links to the three major articles, with the last appearing a week ago:

Days after my original April 2020 article ran, our website was suddenly banned from Facebook and all our pages were “disappeared” by Google. Despite these severe handicaps, my pieces have still attracted hundreds of thousands of pageviews and nearly 900,000 words of comments. Over the last year, a number of reasonably notable journalists and public intellectuals have sent me supportive or congratulatory private notes on this series, sometimes even saying that my analysis seemed quite persuasive. But given the extremely “touchy” nature of the accusation that the worldwide deaths of millions including many hundreds of thousands of Americans was probably due to the reckless and criminal actions of elements of our own government, virtually no mention of my analysis had ever appeared anywhere in either the mainstream or even the alternative media. My articles have obviously been very widely read, but almost no one has been willing to acknowledge their existence.

Even the one significant exception to this remarkable blackout underscores its existence. Kevin Barrett, host of the Truth Jihad podcast and a longtime promoter of numerous “conspiracy theories” wrote a column last year discussing my claims, which he generally endorsed. As a consequence of that advocacy, Barrett was attacked and vilified in a lengthy Atlantic Council report and a concurrent Associated Press article, which denounced him as a leading “super-spreader” of dangerous Covid-19 conspiracy-lunacy. The theory that Barrett was denounced for spreading was largely my own, so he had reasonably urged the journalist interviewing him to contact me directly, but that did not occur. No hint of my existence or writings may be found in either the massive 17,000 word, 54 page report or the corresponding news coverage, presumably because even merely ridiculing or attacking my analysis would bring it to wider attention, with potentially serious consequences if many readers noticed its persuasiveness. In the last few weeks, Barrett has interviewed me a couple of times on his podcast, with the shows conveniently available on our own website:

 

There are considerable ironies in this strange pattern of almost universal silence. Under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was very likely a rogue operation unauthorized by President Donald Trump, but probably orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons whom he had placed in charge of our national security policy, individuals associated with Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton.

Over the last few years, liberals, leftists, and many moderates have vilified Trump and his appointees to an unprecedented extent, denouncing them as perhaps the worst and most dangerous American administration in our entire modern history. Yet while one of Trump’s crude or misogynist Tweets might provoke a paroxysm of intense outrage, all these critics have scrupulously averted their eyes from the very real evidence that the illegal actions of his underlings have now killed far more Americans than had died in all our foreign wars combined, while severely damaging our society.

Meanwhile, most of the rightwingers or populists who strongly supported Trump have always been deeply hostile to Pompeo, Bolton, and the numerous other Neocons whom he had elevated to top positions. These latter individuals would certainly be the prime suspects behind the biowarfare attack, and the subsequent domestic blowback, including our own local epidemic and the resulting lockdowns, helped ensure Trump’s reelection defeat. Therefore, one might expect that my accusations would strongly resonate in those pro-Trump, anti-Neocon circles, but instead the topic has been entirely ignored.

This situation recalls the complete media silence that had previously greeted the astonishing revelations of Pulitzer Prize winner Sydney Schanberg, a former top editor at the New York Times. His remarkable expose of our abandoned Vietnam War POWs and the subsequent cover-up orchestrated by the late Sen. John McCain has been ignored for decades by nearly our entire American media.

  • American Pravda: Was Rambo Right?
    Ron Unz • The American Conservative • May 25, 2010 • 1,300 Words
  • Silent Treatment
    My Four-Decade Fight to Report the Truth
    Sydney Schanberg • The American Conservative • May 25, 2010 • 1,700 Words
  • John McCain and the POW Cover-Up
    The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam
    Sydney Schanberg • The American Conservative • May 25, 2010 • 8,200 Words

 

Fortunately, this existing wall of silence surrounding the origins of Covid-19 may finally be starting to crack. Nicholas Wade ranks as one of America’s premier science journalists, having spent more than four decades at the New York Times, Science, and Nature. Two weeks ago he produced an important 11,000 word analysis of the origins of Covid-19, which was soon republished in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Since the beginning of the pandemic, our establishment media has characterized the virus as natural and denounced as a “conspiracy theory” the suggestion that it was the product of a lab, but Wade has persuasively argued that the latter is actually far more likely, with the media having largely ignored or suppressed the true facts either for political reasons or due to lack of competence:

  • The Origin of Covid
    Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?
    Nicholas Wade • Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists • May 5, 2021 • 11,000 Words

Given Wade’s journalistic stature and the strength and cogency of his arguments, major portions of the establishment media now seem to be rapidly reassessing their position on the issue, with some mainstream publications concluding that the notion so recently vilified as a “conspiracy theory” might quite possibly be correct. Trump and his political allies had previously been the loudest advocates of an artificial origin, pointing their finger of blame towards the Wuhan Institute of Virology, so his enforced departure from the political scene may have facilitated this revolution in the thinking of his bitter media enemies.

As a leading example, Donald G. McNeil, Jr., the forty-five year Times veteran who had spearheaded its Covid-19 coverage, has now published a long piece declaring that after reading Wade’s article and consulting the numerous sources cited, he has largely reversed his opinion on the origins of the virus. He and other mainstream journalists had previously spent the last year dismissing the lab-leak theory as “far right” lunacy, grouping it together with “Pizzagate, the Plandemic, Kung Flu, Q-Anon, Stop the Steal, and the January 6 Capitol invasion.”

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When one previously ridiculed “conspiracy theory” seems to be moving towards substantial acceptance, reasonable people may begin to take others much more seriously. As a direct consequence of Wade’s important breakthough, my own somewhat related hypothesis has now received its first significant coverage outside conspiratorial circles, being discussed in a VDare column by John Derbyshire, a former longtime National Review columnist and author of a couple of well-regarded books on the history of mathematics.

Quite appropriately, he focuses primarily upon Wade’s important analysis, but also includes a substantial and fully respectful mention of my own theories, representing an important step forward. After I republished that piece on my own website, it quickly attracted over 40,000 words of comments by readers, who noted the measured position taken. The first break in a wall of silence is always the most difficult and perhaps others will now explore my ideas as well, leading to an open public debate on this hugely important issue.

Indeed, just this morning an even larger break occurred as Lew Rockwell, the eponymous editor of one of America’s largest libertarian-oriented webzines, published a lead column endorsing my biowarfare hypothesis and excerpting large sections of my analysis.

 

Although the broader case I have made for my scenario runs many thousands of words and is presented across several articles, I think the most powerful components are contained in just a few paragraphs, which I have excerpted below. Those who find those 500 words sufficiently intriguing should then consider reading the much longer articles linked above, especially the two more recent ones:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

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  1. Rahan says:

    Little by little, chipping away…
    Some people criticize Mr. Unz for being “too neutral” and “too polite” on the topics he gives his attention to, but someone has to do this as well.
    And sometimes it’s precisely this approach that helps crack the wall of lies.
    Anyway, thank you for your writing efforts, Mr. Unz, and most of all for this website. It’s a sanity saver!

  2. Scary stuff. If Trump didn’t have anything to do with this you can guarantee they’ll pin it on him.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  3. Remember that epidemic that swept America in 2019, when the CDC pleaded with people to change their habits to prevent more people from dying of pneumonia on ventilators? The brand new disease caused symptoms including fever, cough, diarrhea, and in severe cases, lung failure. The only thing that distinguished it from a nasty flu or other infection were negative test results. Do you remember that epidemic? Do you remember how the CDC was unable to say what caused the disease? Or how the disease peaked in September and literally disappeared by the time COVID lockdowns began in the USA? If you do remember, expect a visit from the MIB, because that story has been shoved down the memory hole, right next to the story about the lab leak at Fort Detrick.

    Perhaps the memory hole is clogged?

    (Hint: the epidemic was called EVALI).

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Anon
  4. Catdog says:

    I had been ignoring the lab theory because I had heard scientists say that it was almost impossible to create such a disease in a lab. Rand Paul’s interrogation of Faucci has given me cause to reevaluate. Paul quoted a Chinese scientist who was afraid that the virus had escaped her Wuhan lab.

  5. I think you are on the right track. But also consider also that according to the German Investigative Committee https://greatgameindia.com/germany-legal-action-covid-19/ they have a whistleblower who says there was a plan to release COVID 19 and the great reset scheduled for 2050. I would suggest that because the virus escaped, most likely, from the Fort Dietrich lab in the summer of 2019 it was hurriedly decided to bring the whole project forward and try to make sure that all of the blame pointed towards China.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  6. Drakejax says:

    While I find the idea that COVID was a neocon attack against China and Iran, I think it even more plausible that it was a neolib attack engineered with the connivance of the CCP. Hence the use of Wuhan. The objection that the CCP would not attack their own people I find unpersuasive by itself and besides they may have underestimated their ability to contain it (they seem to have done well anyways). Iranians could have gotten it inadvertently, or as a side operation. The American side I see as DNC related. Democrat controlled areas worked in perfect synchronicity with lockdowns, media operations, and the related BLM/ANTIFA operations. In sum, I think COVID was a DNC-CCP biowarfare operation in conjunction with other operations to gain control of the US.

  7. SZ says:

    Ron’s arguments are convincing as to “how” the virus was kicked off and by “whom”. The “why” component, on the other hand, is too weak and rather based on conventional motives (state rivalry, control of the population, etc.) assuming ‘at-least-partially-rational’ actors who act in the interest of their own identities and loyalties, whatever these are.

    Now, what I am about to post might be far fetched even for UR, but given the fact that this very website/blog gave a space to Metallicman (https://metallicman.com/about-me/), UR might be the only forum where the following can be disclosed and discussed. I claim no proof on anything that is cited below: a collection of statements from several sources. Going through them, however, incites the reader to consider that non-conventional actors and/or motives might be involved in the planning and implementation of the Covid pandemic and the hysteria associated with it on top of other developments that occurred in the last couple of years.

    First, some appetizers:
    This was written more than ten years ago as a comment by a blogger (https://www.blogger.com/profile/17053148427058126745) on Retrospace (https://www.retrospace.org/2010/11/science-fictions-broken-promises.html) and since then has only become ever more relevant:

    From the 1980s onward, technology development became almost single-minded about focusing on computers and global communication. Cars have only been enhanced, space exploration is dead, and the dream of a “smart” home which runs itself is not a priority. The sole focus is on having us all sit like zombies in front of a screen pressing buttons…just like I’m doing now.

    Now to something more recent and seemingly unrelated:
    Very recently came a dazzling claim by a high level retired Israeli official published at a ‘respectable’ and quite mainstream paper (https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405) contending that

    aliens [have]… been in contact with Israel and the US for years, but are keeping themselves a secret to prevent hysteria until humanity is ready.

    What Haim Eshed, head of Israel’s space program for nearly 30 years, declares, is in conjunction with what Metallicman claimed from a quite different perspective.

    Let’s go back again to more than ten years ago when someone like Metallicman wrote this (http://www.jmooneyham.com/lost-civilization-kerguelen-2.html#section2):

    [MORE]

    Another, more sinister development among the Kerguelen at this time, is a directive to another new task force to focus upon the more developed and democratic nations of humanity, and try to influence them to reshape themselves to be more like the Kerguelen society. To greatly reduce civil liberties, and raise surveillance rates on the public and middle-to-low hierarchy individuals to as near 100% as possible. During the 20th century this task force experienced many setbacks in their efforts, due to the significant differences between humanity and the Kerguelen themselves. It was simply difficult to get a good understanding of the human culture. Finally, however, they found the key: the growth of monstrous so-called ‘business’ corporations among humanity. These organizations were gaining new freedoms and powers almost daily, to the expense of democratic forms of government. Human business interests also coincided nicely with Kerguelen interests, in that human business disliked uncertainty, and craved stability. Add to this the simple and straightforward over-riding desire for human currency which ruled these entities, and the situation was tailor-made for Kerguelen manipulation. The critical region seemed to be one called the United States of America, as all the other advanced democracies seemed to follow its lead. Turn the US into a police state, and the other democracies would likely follow suit. Those that didn’t, could be forced into obedience with the USA’s overwhelming military might. And all the rest of humanity’s various nations were so primitive and weak that they would have no choice but to accept the commands of the US afterwards.
    Yes, the keystone was the USA. Strip it of its democratic ways, and humanity was essentially conquered. The powerful scenario generating computers aboard the Kerguelen space vessels, as well as the Kerguelen’s ability to manipulate Earth markets via electronic means, would provide the details and tactics required to achieve the objective. One, maybe two human generations (25-50 years) were estimated to be all the time required for complete success.

    Fortunately for the Kerguelen, the USA economy in particular was especially vulnerable to such manipulation at this time, due to it being in the early stages of both computing and internet technology revolutions simultaneously. Human experts were still uncertain about how to balance civil liberties, profit, and security in the new and fluctuating environment, and were under enormous economic and political pressures to squeeze civil liberties anyway. Thus, the Kerguelen were delighted at how easily much of their plans fell into place. The human elite often seemed to be doing the Kerguelen’s work for them!

    It is frightening how a text written more than ten years ago quite accurately describes what has been going on in the last few years.

    Mooneyham’s theory, or fiction, or whatever you call it (for the full story read http://www.jmooneyham.com/lost-civilization-kerguelen.html) fits the revelations of Prof Haim Eshed. Note that, throughout most of history, Jewish populations have acted not as masters, as often claimed, but rather as ‘servants’ of ‘masters’ of other ethnie for whom they controlled and manipulated the slave/peasant populations of those masters. As Mooneyham notes, populations do not consist of the simplistic master–slave (rich–poor, capitalist–worker, employer–employee, black–white, etc.) dichotomies but rather have a ‘servant’ population in between who do the job of controlling the peasants/slaves and extracting the surplus from them on behalf of the elite of any particular society. That was true for most human groups throughout history until recent centuries when a large middle class emerged whose members made their living through their very own technical, scientific, or clerical labour instead of exploiting peasants/slaves on behalf of their masters. The last few centuries were an anomaly in the history of mankind and it appears that some forces, whoever they are, want us back to a stage in which less than 1% of ‘masters’, supported by ‘servants’ who are allowed to make up 4–5% of the total, control and command the rest of the 95% of ignorant masses (the modern slaves/peasants). Mind control, not necessarily via telepathy or any biological or technological means, but rather based on psychological and ideological propaganda, such as fear from a virus, or distraction via pornography, or ambiguity caused by the blurring of natural gender roles and identities, appear to be employed as methods to trick the ‘peasants’ to willingly accept their own slavery, and also to convince the ever shrinking middle class to accept their new roles as ‘servants’ to their ‘masters’.

  8. Getaclue says:
    @Rahan

    The use of CVirus was a NWO plan for years to bring in the Medical Martial Law Technocratic State NWO One World Government along with their goal of “depopulation” (they have been very up front as to this for years and Gates literally stated on video that the “vaccines” were to be used for this “depopulation” Agenda — pro-vaccine types just gloss right over this of course….) — the “vaccine” agenda was always part of that — it was all gamed and planned out by both the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, JohnHopkins etc. to accept all this as coincidence or due to their deep “caring” for the Peons is to be brain dead at this point….–

    The WEF and all related Davos “Elites” were quite ready to roll out the Great Reset on the back of the CVirus — the Mainslime Media which they totally own jumped in and fanned the greatest hysteria in world history to push the planned Agenda, when it happened all the pieces were ready to fall into place with Fauci being the ringleader —

    Leading NWO/Gates/Rockefeller Foundation Cretin Tony Fauci has his fingerprints all over the development of deadly Gain of Function research from which this CVirus surely came from (lying creep NWO “Expert” Neil Ferguson had his Gate’s funded “Models” ready to roll out and which were used to destroy the USA/Western Civ. Economies, all based on trash numbers and predictions)– The “Scientists” who are claiming this came out of bat eating are ALL linked to Gain of Function Research and the Lab(s) — their “Bat Eating” line has been parroted by the Mainslime Media of course but that is finally falling apart.

    Hopefully Fauci is indicted for Crimes Against Humanity along with Gates and the other NWO “Elites” in and out of Government (the Food Shortage side of this is now rolling out– 200 million are at risk — quite a “depopulation” job they pulled off and we have yet to see what the Spike Proteins in the “vaccines” may do in the next Cold Season in the Fall/Winter ahead as to the “vaccinated” — even given unprecedented deaths and carnage by these “vaccines” (where they would have been pulled long ago based on past history as to such results in vaccine roll outs/trials) they are still being pimped, propagandized and basically forced on human guinea pigs– some of which virtue signal their injections on Fbk or wherever — and are dead the next day– the stupidity of it all is mind numbing….:

    https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2021/05/10/unthinkable-thoughts/?unapproved=619431&moderation-hash=64570a8645924809d46e593acc33d840#comment-619431

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/05/dr-fauci-you-are-done-here/

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/05/dr-fauci-gain-of-function-wuhan/

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/why_are_media_ignoring_data_showing_massive_covid19_vaccine_death_spike.html

    This guy has been predicting all of this for years right from the “Elite” Creeps’ mouths, Eugenics pushers for many decades — and he has it all here — the entire history leading up to what they are currently pulling to enslave and “depopulate”, the mostly clueless, Peons: https://www.corbettreport.com/

    • Thanks: St-Germain
    • LOL: Sarah
    • Replies: @Bahmi
    , @Veritas121212
  9. Dumbo says:
    @Ever Becoming

    Interesting.

    https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/evali

    Symptoms similar to Covid, but no virus. Caused by vaping?? Weird. Perhaps it was a test run?

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  10. Getaclue says:
    @Dick le Carre

    I generally agree — but I think China (Elite ChiComs) — (Modern China is basically completely a product of David Rockefeller’s work/scheming, before that it was Mao and his nuttiness/Cultural “Revolution” bs/ killing Starlings creating plagues etc., but post-David Rockefeller’s work (the CFR/Trilateralists etc.) destroying the USA (transferring manufacturing etc. to China) it is now the Model for the Society the Banksters want imposed on all of us, 24/7 surveillance etc.) — are in on it completely.

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-true-agenda-of-the-who-a-new-world-order-modeled-after-china/

    I believe the CVirus did escape from the WuHanLab (also Fort Dietrich previously leaked out something also — Plum Island as to Lyme Disease, there is a history of this and then cover ups….) but if it hadn’t — when the GainofFunction got to the point they wanted it to be at — they would have released it — that was always the plan.

    China/ChiComs are not alone in any of this — it is all the NWO plan for the One World Government and those pushing this are situated in every country at every level some are “useful idiots” and some know what is up — like it is laid out on the Georgia Guidestones — “depopulated”Peons of 500 Million serving 100 Million “Elite”. The WEF Davos “Elite” — “You Will Have Nothing And Be Happy” “You Will Eat Worms” — have been very upfront as to all this and if you study these people — Rockefeller filth and associated (Gates) you will find this Eugenics “depopulation” Agenda has been in the works for a very long time. (This guy does a great job of proving this from their own mouths: https://www.corbettreport.com/ )

    The “vaccines” were always what this was all about — they give ultimate control to the “Elite” as to this Agenda — the spike protein injections open up a power that War never gave them as to “depopulation” plus the satisfaction they have that most just “volunteered” their arms….Satanists will be Satanists….

    • Agree: Alfred
  11. Dumbo says:

    While I appreciate Mr. Unz’s efforts, I wonder what’s his game.

    While it was obvious that the disease and the reaction to it were planned in advance, and the virus or whatever causes it was created (manipulated) in a lab in Wuhan, with American money, the theory that it was done to hurt China or Iran doesn’t hold much water. Granted, I haven’t read Mr. Unz full 17,000,000 words on the subject. But it seems to me that a more likely explanation was that it was released on purpose globally to cause social, economic and legal changes.

    If you think about it, it’s a bit like 911 and other supposed terrorist attacks at the early 2000s, which gave us the Patriot Act, RapiScan at airports etc (plus all the wars).

    This is the same thing. Lots of changes that “they” wanted to push anyway, are happening now because or under cover of the pandemic.

  12. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Cracks in the CIA line are very evident. They have gone to general quarters with a fallback lie:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-communist-professor-declares-us-was-defeated-biological-war-china

    Having failed to bullshit us with their one-in-a-centillion natural mutation fib, CIA is now trying to distort China’s consistent frank indictments of CIA’s sneak attack. China has the evidence, and they are hanging it over Langley like a cartoon ACME Macro-Anvil. So CIA is going with the provable use of banned biological weapons, and trying to falsify the attribution. Yeah, that’ll work.

    The Langley regime has breached Hague Convention (III) with a sneak attack using banned biological weapons in breach of the 1929 Geneva Convention. International legal precedent makes the sneak attack itself a crime subject to nuclear countermeasures – the US justified Hiroshima and Nagasaki by Japan’s breach of Hague Convention (III.) CIA’s crime of aggression is compounded by use of banned biological weapons, the most disproportionate and indiscriminate of all weapons of mass destruction, invoking the precedent of the Khabarovsk tribunal. And the facts of CIA’s crime of aggression makes this the most lethal WMD attack in history. CIA’s internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens gives rise to responsibility for reparation, restitution, compensation with interest, and satisfaction (such as prosecution imposing command responsibility.) It gives rise to erga omnes responsibility – every UN member nation must counter and prosecute or extradite suspects in this CIA crime.

    It is inconceivable that the civilized world will let this stand. This is a hangin’ offense for the Langley regime. That is not to say there’ll be a war – the SCO controls escalation at all levels. But CIA’s civil/paramilitary command structure is fucked. Cooked. Dead meat.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
    , @Rich
  13. Ron Unz says:

    Interesting. Although I doubted it would do much good, I decided to go ahead and leave a very short comment under the McNeil article, noting that there was an additional possibility as well, and providing a link to my own recent article.

    I just received a note from Medium:

    Due to elevated risk of potential harm to persons or public health, Medium’s Trust & Safety team has removed the following content under its rules https://medium.com/policy/medium-rules-30e5502c4eb4

    I’ve only very rarely visited the Medium website, but it appears that they have an official policy of banning all comments advocating “conspiracy theories.” Presumably, this standard changes over time, since as McNeil himself pointed out, until quite recently the Lab-Leak Hypothesis he now advocates in his article had been widely denounced as a “conspiracy theory.”

    • Thanks: Rahan
  14. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Heads up to everyone – Covid19 vaccines lower your intelligence.

    [MORE]

    I’m seeing it around me. It’s patent. Obvious. They now literally glue masks to their mugs post second jab.

    There’s something zombifying about the spike protein cocktail.

    Remember when we were being told covid created brain fog and some London university confirmed that 70k “survivors” shaved 9 points off their g-quotient? Where’s the follow up on the vaccine’s impact on the same? It’s taking 20 points off!

    UK is the most vaccinated country after IsraHeil. Just look how stupid that country has become. BlowJo and HandCock are really just post-vaccine pussies.

    It’s not just sterilization chums, it’s about cretinisation.

    • Agree: Alfred
  15. IvyMike says:

    The Unz articles are admirably persuasive but could anybody be so stupid as to think one could unleash a highly contagious respiratory virus in an international travel hub and it not rapidly come home to bite one in the butt?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Erebus
  16. This is an interesting video. This young lady called a bunch of funeral homes in Winnipeg, and medium sized city in Canada (750,000) She asked the people willing to talk to her if they had noticed any increase in the number of funerals, given that Winnipeg is Canada’s hot spot per capita.

    Zilch. No extra funerals. This entire thing is a bad joke.

    https://www.facebook.com/tommy.collins.1972/videos/10165056632960006

    • Thanks: Erebus, Alfred
  17. rgl says:
    @Catdog

    Fauci needs to be examined and cross-examined, by a panel of experts, in Congress.

  18. @Dumbo

    Not caused by vaping, only associated with vaping.

  19. blaster says:

    Thank you Ron Unz and Kevin Barrett.

    Although the arguments are persuasive the real crisis is irrational fear or phobia which has a DSM classification. People who have sold a perspective based on emotion will not be easily convinced by logical arguments. They need counter narratives.

    This is a strategy I have been using with some success.

    My life time risk of dying from a corona virus or one of the influenza viruses is between 0.5 and 1.0 %. There is a 99.5 % chance I will die of something else. If I take all of the precautions recommended by those who have been consistently wrong, ie., the experts, my absolute risk reduction will be 0.25 to 0.5% assuming for example that the “vaccines” don’t kill me. (After all, medical errors and pharmaceutical intervention are one of the leading causes of deaths and the vaccine has not been fully tested. The major trials were funded by pharmaceutical companies. A responsible CFO or CEO of a company would want to see the intended result of a trial before funding it. )

    We always new that Opa or Oma might die as a consequence of visiting their children or grandchildren and contacting a virus. I am 66 years old so have approximately 50 % chance of being dead in the next 14 years. At most a 1% risk of dying from a respiratory virus. None of those risks can be eliminated by any measure. Life is a chance affair. If we don’t allow our children to take risks they will never learn to ride a bike, swim, play on the monkey bars etc.. They will never go on a date, but just incase they do, they will double condom. There will be no children.

    My mother is 94 and grew up in Holland with typhus, cholera, polio, TB etc.. Both her parents died of TB. She thinks the people in her assisted living facility are silly and cowards. She wants to see here children and grandchildren who she cannot. She knows that she can die. I want to be as brave as my mother.

    When someone says, “be safe!” my response is, “and you be brave.”

    • Thanks: Rahan, Emslander, Sarah
  20. Again, what has the who or why got to do with the “Origins of COVID” ?

    The right to destroy is an inherent component of the right to property. Traditionally known as the jus abutendi: the right to consume, transform, and abuse. All major legal systems implicitly recognize that an owner is entitled to consume or transform the thing that is the object of property rights, and the same theme is evident in international law.

    Here, the property is merely the United States whose owner is not in question.

    Though knowing this, you perpetuate the issue for what purpose ?
    Which way did the revised straw man go, George ?

    (We love you Ron, but your beautiful mind draws closer with each apologia).

  21. Anon62 says:

    Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    Omitted from Mr Unz’ synopsis is MSM media reporting coincident with the COVID outbreak which reported an Israeli firm had a COVID vaccine ready for distribution.

    This reporting occured very early in the COVID information flow. It supports the hypothesis that the infection of Iran’s ruling elites, and the assassination of Iran’s top military commander, were both elements in a combined kinetic and biowarfare attack aimed at destabilizing / undermining Iran.

    Iran is reported to have sent military members to Wuhan to participate in the military athletics held immediately prior to the early onset of COVID infection in China.

    This raises the possibility there was a concerted attempt by one or more western, and allied states, to undermine Iran by a viral attack, that an infected Iranian military member unwittingly transmitted the virus to others at the Wuhan military games, and this transmission intiated the viral outbreak which was only recognized because of China’s excellent early warning system.

    The question which needs to be asked and answered is how the US Defence Intelligence Agency gained awareness of the outbreak in advance of the Chinese medical identification and response?

    I suggest one possibility is that the DIA were aware of a covert biowarfare attack on Iran and sought to monitor the developing pandemic and the potential emergence of the virus in other regions of the globe. I can think of no valid reason a government agency would seek to obtain knowledge of such a viral outbreak unless they knew what to look for. I can also see no reason to keep knowledge of the COVID outbreak secret unless the DIA monitoring was associated with the attempt to assess the sucess, failure, or possible blowback, arising from a covert operation against Iran.

    If you are engaged in covert monitoring of a secret operation you are unlikely to publicly advertise that fact.

    One final question – which state, other than the United States, has exhibted extreme animosity toward Iran?

  22. Ron Unz says:
    @IvyMike

    The Unz articles are admirably persuasive but could anybody be so stupid as to think one could unleash a highly contagious respiratory virus in an international travel hub and it not rapidly come home to bite one in the butt?

    I tried to address that seemingly very valid point in my original April 2020 article, and several times since:

    When considering the hypothesis of an American biowarfare attack, certain natural objections come to mind. The major drawback to biological warfare has always been the obvious fact that the self-replicating agents employed will not respect national borders, thus raising the serious risk that the disease might eventually return to the land of its origin and inflict substantial casualties. For this reason, it seems very doubtful that any rational and half-competent American leadership would have unleashed the coronavirus against China.

    But as we see absolutely demonstrated in our daily news headlines, America’s current government is grotesquely and manifestly incompetent, more incompetent than one could almost possibly imagine, with tens of thousands of Americans having now already paid with their lives for such extreme incompetence. Rationality and competence are obviously nowhere to be found among the Deep State Neocons that President Donald Trump has appointed to so many crucial positions throughout our national security apparatus.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/#growing-evidence-of-american-responsibility

    That’s also exactly the reason that so many more “conspiratorially” minded individuals believe that the blowback of the virus into America and Europe was deliberately intended, perhaps in order to destroy our societies and trigger a “Great Reset.”

    Personally, I’m quite skeptical, and I think the simplest explanation is preferable. But if you think I’ve naive for believing that the people behind the biowarfare attack were criminal and incompetent and instead feel sure that they were demonically evil, that’s fine with me…

    • Agree: Sarah
  23. Ron’s analysis will be sidelined, ignored and memory-holed.

    The ONLY narrative that will be allowed by the MSM to come out of the growing lab-made origin of the virus movement will be:

    “CHINA DID IT!”

    That’s obvious.

    What isn’t so obvious, and needs to be asked over and over is: why would Chinese authorities (with US help!) develop a super bug that attacks ACE2 receptors in the lungs that Han Chinese apparently have five times more of on average than their European counterparts? And then lock down their country’s main domestic travel hub just before Chinese New Year, then the entire country fighting the very bug they allegedly created to ‘kill their elderly useless eaters’?

    Won’t matter. No matter how insipid the narrative about China being the source of Covid becomes, the brain-dead sheeples in the West will be effortlessly whipped into a frenzy thereby if the MSM/elites so choose. Just like with the ridiculous, laughable ‘Russian meddling’ claims.

    To my mind the real question is:

    Who gets hit militarily first: Russia or China………?

    This was just posted today (#122) by anon 648 under Israel Shamir’s great piece on Gaza:
    ————————-

    BEIJING (AP) — Israel’s Embassy in China is protesting what it describes as “blatant antisemitism” on a program run by the overseas channel of state broadcaster CCTV discussing the ongoing violence in Gaza and elsewhere.

    In a tweet, the embassy said “we have hoped that the times of the ‘Jew’s controlling the world’ conspiracy theories were over, unfortunately antisemitism has shown its ugly face again.”

    “We are appalled to see blatant antisemitism expressed in an official Chinese media outlet,” the tweet said.

    On the Tuesday CGTN broadcast, host Zheng Junfeng questioned whether U.S. support for Israel was truly based on shared democratic values, saying “some people believe that U.S. pro-Israeli policy is traceable to the influence of wealthy Jews in the U.S. and the Jewish lobby on U.S. foreign policy makers.”

    “Jews dominate finance and and internet sectors,” Zheng says, speaking in English. “So do they have the powerful lobbies some say? Possible.” https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-race-and-ethnicity-anti-semitism-54fd7d8a6b42c6afcfdb3dc2b16f7e0e
    ————————

    Well, if this is accurate, I’d say with Russia’s apparent current superiority over the USA on nukes and their delivery systems and Putin’s close warm relations with prominent Russian jewish oligarchs and the state of Israel/Bibi, if I was a blood-thirsty psychopathic zionist neocon, I think I’d pick a fight with China’s weaker military first, and leave Russia to make up its own mind after seeing tough old Uncle Shmuel dealing harshly with those uppity Chinese who simply don’t know their place in a ‘rules based international order’.

    Problem is, the idiot zionist neocons keep forgetting that Uncle Shmuel can’t fight and win against a real adversary, like China, and thus nukes will inevitably be the ultimate weapon that the US will have to employ, with all the potential for world-wide devastation that implies.

    (But then again, who cares, right? Because no matter how many innocents you kill, being a war mongering zionist neocon means never having to say you’re sorry…..)

  24. tanabear says:

    Bret Weinstein: Sorry, Bari, that McNeil piece is revisionist garbage, deeply unfair to those who stood up for science and truth, and strangely sympathetic with journalists and scientists derelict in their fundamental duty to the public. Getting it right is how we prevent it from happening again

    It’s absolutely maddening to have those who dropped the ball on the lab-leak hypothesis now try to pin blame on those who got it right. Why would we listen to them now, on this of all topics???

    A screenshot is from Donald McNeil’s batshit piece. @davidfrum’s was even batshittier.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Dieter Kief
  25. According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms.

    The master key to unlocking Covid origin – definitively – is the same now as it always was, and that is viral diversity at early onset.
    For instance –

    “Russia got its virus from Europe and not China. Importantly, many early imported COVID-19 cases did not lead to transmission within Russia. However, at least nine different coronavirus strains that are currently circulating in Russia have not been encountered elsewhere.”

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-russia-covid-strain-china.html

    The early genetic analysis of Chinese infections reportedly showed a total lack of variants soon identified in North American. If so, and unless there is some assertion that mutation for some reason accelerated uniquely outside of China proper, its hard to make a convincing argument that the early origin was actually China, unless the China onset was in fact far earlier than we expect to be the case.

    This assessment is not really open to direct attack, only through some oblique workaround. Everyone and their halfwit cousin knew what was taking place at the Wuhan lab, because it was internationally funded, and every corrupt NWO functionary that you could shake a stick at had some hand in organizing supposed ‘research’.

    While its possible that foreign delegations, assets, overseers, brought latent infections home to other continents at various times, or that the virus was ‘planted’ outside of Wuhan as a frame-up by those who knew that the linkage would be made to NWO lab activities publicly know to be taking place at that location.. the Russian study linked above is interesting because it specifically notes –

    “It was found that, unlike many other countries, Russia got its virus from Europe and not China. Importantly, many early imported COVID-19 cases did not lead to transmission within Russia. However, at least nine different coronavirus strains that are currently circulating in Russia have not been encountered elsewhere.”

    So VIRAL DIVERSITY at early onset is the true and almost singular ‘north star’ arbiter of fact, and all else is a trip down the proverbial rabbit hole of speculation.

    My take is that –

    1) The actors behind the dispersal of the virus had no way of knowing the degree of actual or engineered lethality at early release /escape, beyond early lab personnel losses or animal testing,
    2) The early tip offs to civilian illness and fatalities almost certainly come not from the agents of dispersal but from now ubiquitous electronic comms surveillance that were being employed against the Chinese.
    3) By the time it was obvious, a few months down the line, that this was not a particularly lethal infection in the case of generally healthy individuals, the actors who had already been invested in the early lab programs at Wuhan and elsewhere had more of an interest in keeping the focus on a largely nuisance virus and away from themselves or a true genetic forensic analysis that would lead to conclusive geolocation of viral strain start points, which suit the interests of no one in p9wer.

    Follow the Yellow Brick Road.

  26. @Getaclue

    i don’t believe china will allow a repeat of the opium wars, & i believe china knows more about the history of those wars than most western scholars. i propose the chinese anticipated the bio weapon & were prepared for it…thus their swift reaction. it’s my thesis that america/the atlantic pod realized some time ago that there was no way they could compete or win against china (remember the pop of america is china’s rounding off number) & that in order to maintain supremacy dirty tricks/hybrid/bio warfare was its only option. i propose china/russia/iran knew as much. as an old poster on numerous sites, winston, used to say…we are @ war. the war began after sochi.

    • Agree: Sarah
  27. blaster says:

    Is the Cov 19 thing a terrorist attack?

    If the virus was intentionally released it was a terrorist attack. The point of a terrorist attack is to influence the political or economic world while minimizing death. A terrorist is more noble profession than a warrior. A warrior carpet bombs and does starvation blockades even after the enemy has been humiliated and incapacitated, killing hundreds of thousands for vengence after the enemies have been defeated. The worst terrorist attack in US history amounted to not much more than the daily road fatalities. A true warrior would have released a more deadly virus. We might give some thanks that this is terrorism of the population rather than war.

    Terrorism is most effective when used by the powerful. Terrorist depend upon the media reporting the event. The mass media is an accomplice of terrorism. The terrorist attack need not even be real. Think of the Gulf of Tonkin. To be an effective terrorist you need the support of the media to promote the narrative. A g0als of any terrorist action by a group who does not have institutional support, (power), will be quickly ridiculed into the memory whole and be counterproductive. We have seen this.

    My issue with orgins of the virus theory or alternative therapies such as invermectin, hydroxychloroquin or truth about the release, malignant or deliberate, is that it distracts from the real issue. As in any terrorist attack, I think the issue that needs to be addressed most is the objective of the people, or corporations, or banking conglomerates who are creating a narrative of fear and pathological paraonia in the population.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  28. Erebus says:
    @IvyMike

    On the subject of…

    …unleash(ing) a highly contagious respiratory virus in an international travel hub and it not rapidly come home to bite one in the butt

    … it occurs to one that the West’s rulers weren’t necessarily “bitten”. In fact, the “pandemic” has all the earmarks of having been contrived for political purposes.

    They got (perhaps) less than they bargained for in that the virus proved weaker in the field than it did in the lab, but made up the deficit with a flash flood of fear-mongering propaganda, suppression of effective treatment and finally the hastily brought forward deployment of “vaccines” that will take up where the virus left off in the fullness of time.

    Alternatively, given how apparently closely coordinated the response has been across almost all of the West, a case can be made that the virus’s weakness in the field was foreseen, and that the real bio-weapon was a 1-2 punch whereby the socio-politically induced suppression of the population’s natural immunity was followed by the wide dissemination of a distilled form of the virus’ most lethal feature (the spike protein itself) under colour of “vaccines”.

    If either of the above scenarios are correct, then one could expect that the current “loosening” is simply the 2nd stage in a variant on the “cobra strategy”. Constriction is loosened, only to be tightened even more vigorously as the victim relaxes. Repeated several times over a course of 2-3 yrs, the remaining fully cowed population is expected to behave exactly as required.

    If that’s the plan, I’d wager the planners will start to see it unravel. Having cried “Wolf!” too often over the last 2 decades, significant parts of the population have become immune to their fear-mongering and so are likely to resist the suppression of both medical treatments and their civil liberties.

    It unravelled in parts of Africa, where the population began self-medicating with HCQ & Ivermectin, and surely we can hope that the West will develop the same level of defiance.

  29. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “and instead feel sure that they were demonically evil, that’s fine with me… ”

    This comment is a rhetorical device to avoid discussion of these people, their ideas, and their plans. Throwing around the e-word obscures a discussion of actual realities and jettisons the actual evidence into the realm of la-la-land.

    Of course the Great Reset crowd are convinced they are doing the Earth and its people a favor—of course they don’t consider themselves evil. They think they are saviors and know what is best for the rest. The infinite arrogance is an unmistakable symptom of messianic thinking and derangement.

    I think these pepole are deranged. But they have immense power, mainly through $$$$$. We need to look very clearly at what the kinds of people who have been running pandemic simulations for years, including Event 201, are planning. Schwab has openly stated that the covid-19 pandemic is an opportunity not to be wasted. Why doesn’t Ron Unz even take a look at this weird statement?

    Their plans may be utter foolishness, but there is no question at all that they are making them.
    Who is “they”? People and organizations who planned and attended Event 201; Gates Foundation; Wellcome Foundation; Klaus Schwab; and others named and shown in Paul Schreyer’s documentary.

    I can’t understand how come Ron Unz ignores and/or trivializes the actual statements of the likes of Gates and Schwab, and treats those who *have* watched their videos as conspiracy theorists and kooks, and ridicules the very notion that there is any substance or reality to, say, the Great Reset agenda. Even though the proponents of the Great Reset agenda have been *at pains to announce and expound publicly,* in expensive videos and other media, their command and control goals, their depopulation agendas, their love affair with transhumanism, and other ideological filth.

    What gives with the blinders? Is it because he considers this agenda outlandish? I too consider it outlandish, but one year ago I never would have guessed where we would be today. And they are much farther over the cliff, detached from reality and rationality, in the UK and Germany than here. At least the USA is large enough to have some pushback coming from a few geographical and ideological locales.

    Is this all a result of a plot hatched in Langley or somewhere in the Swamp?
    Maybe so, but in that case it seems to have played right into other hands.

    • Agree: Erebus, Harold Smith, Rubicon
    • Thanks: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Nancy
    , @Lost American
  30. @emersonreturn

    ” ….& that in order to maintain supremacy dirty tricks/hybrid/bio warfare was its only option.”

    Which have failed miserably.

    So what’s next on the ‘destroy China’ agenda?

    (All guesses welcome……place your bets!)

  31. Skeptikal says:
    @tanabear

    Bari Weiss is deeply implicated in the TDS at the Times whereby anything that Trump said was a Third Rail and trashed in totally ad-hominem terms—intellectually dishonest and opportunistic.

    Now Weiss seems to be trying to distance herself and get onto the correct team.

    Don’t let her get away with this!!

    She is the epitome, the avatar, of a bought and paid for NYT presstitute.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  32. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon62

    Omitted from Mr Unz’ synopsis is MSM media reporting coincident with the COVID outbreak which reported an Israeli firm had a COVID vaccine ready for distribution.

    This reporting occured very early in the COVID information flow.

    Sure, I remember that story, which generated a great deal of “chatter” on the Internet. But I don’t think it had any significance.

    Given the sudden importance of a vaccine, it’s hardly surprising that a biotech executive would brag about how his company was far ahead of all its competitors in developing one, even if he was just spouting dishonest marketing propaganda.

    As far as I know, all the actual vaccines were developed by a variety of non-Israeli firms, and Israel had to import those in order to vaccinate its own population. So that executive was obviously just lying.

    It’s very important to remember that people lie all the time, and most of those lies probably have absolutely nothing to do with any larger “conspiracy theory.”

    • Replies: @gnbRC
    , @emersonreturn
  33. @Mustapha Mond

    Release a stronger variant in South and South East Asia, and blame China for the fatalities, leading to proxy wars, product boycotts, and trade sanctions.

    That exercise seems to have started with the Indian genocide and some MSM journalists finally waking up from their deep slumber and acknowledging the existence of Wuhan lab for the first time.

    Hindi Chini bhai bhai.

    • Disagree: Sarah
  34. @rgl

    “…a panel of experts, in Congress.”

    A panel of experts? In the US Congress?

    I almost ‘wet’ myself… laughing at the absurdity of this notion.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  35. Greg S. says:

    Ron Unz has gotten as far as (1) admitting the virus (and spike protein) are lab made. Good, I agree. He also has gotten as far as (2) admitting it was intentionally released for nefarious purposes. Good, I agree.

    But he seems hung up on pinning a rather pedestrian reason on it all. It was just “incompetence,” his theory goes, that the USA ended up suffering some of the worst effects of COVID-19.

    But does that make sense? Any groups that can get as far as (1) and (2) above are not incompetent. They know what they are doing. They can predict consequences. Things like the “SPARS” documents show evidence of wargaming the scenario.

    I think the United States and the western world were always the primary target of COVID-19. I think the timing was intentional to get rid of Trump and squash the growing “populism” movement in the western world. I also think it was released all over the world at the same time to cover the tracks and muddy the waters. Stories like China complaining of finding SARS-COV2 in imported items from Europe right at the start of the pandemic cannot be totally disregarded at this point.

    Now was that that only purpose behind COVID-19? Well, then we enter the rabbit hole that Ron Unz wishes to firmly stay out of. We will see how well that narrative continues to hold up.

    • Agree: Jeffrey A Freeman
    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Rahan
    , @Harold Smith
  36. @Catdog

    The fact that the virus is man-made was known quite early. I saw an explanation in, say, April, 2020, of how it was a chimaeric virus, probably between a bat and pangolin viruses. Such chimaeras have been created in labs since 1999, certainly in the USA, Japan and other places. And then there was a four base sequence inserted to code for a furin cleavage region, making it more transmissable, and something that does not occur in nature. Case closed.
    The lying by the medical Mafias and the fakestream media vermin was to prevent the obvious conclusion, that this was a bio-warfare attack on China (then Iran!?),almost certainly by the world’s greatest user of bio-weapons, the USA, with its gargantuan bio-warfare establishment spread around the world, being known.
    When it spread to the West, the war-mongers simply changed tack to hate propaganda, with false assertions of a Chinese lab leak, soon amplified by utterly evil scum like our local Murdochites into a deliberate Chinese attack, ludicrously launched in China. That is where it is now with bloated pustules of absolute Evil like cane-toad Pompeo pushing ever harder for a casus belli for war against China. Evil is on the march, and we’ll be lucky to get out of this, the death-throes of the Real Evil Empire, the greatest force for destruction in all human history.

    • Agree: Stonehands, Sarah
  37. Sean says:

    Nicholas Wade ranks as one of America’s premier science journalists

    Having read his article on the virus’s origin, I think he is the best investigative science journalist in the world. He has made a good case for the Wuhan research being the origin of the pandemic, and an unassailable one that the US government minions ought to have never agreed to these gain of function experiments being done in Wuhan. What were they thinking!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  38. @Mustapha Mond

    With the number of ‘variants’ that the USA is spreading in nations that escaped the worst travails of the initial outbreak, I suspect they still have a killer app, specifically designed for Chinese populations, ready to go. The USA cannot defeat China now. Even a ‘liberal democratic’ China would eat the USA’s lunch, breakfast and dinner, so they have to go. No doubt a secret conclave of Rabbis and Torah Sages has declared the Chinese to be ‘Amalek’.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  39. @Erebus

    The kicker is whether Gerd vanden Bossche is correct, and vaccination during a pandemic will cause ‘vaccine escape’ of more virulent ‘variants’. I’m sure Fort Detrick has plenty of varieties that fit a population reduction of the ‘useless eaters’ scenario.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  40. @Catdog

    She said she was afraid that it was her virus that escaped. She also said that DNA sequencing relieved her fears.

    Everybody and his dog does research on gain of function. Do yor remember the Dutch research on recreating the Spanish Flu? How else can one gain the basic scientific knowledge that supports defense against pathogens newly evolved to be dangerous? How about diseases transferred from animals?

    Is it dangerous? Yes. So is remaining ignorant. If it turns out that it escaped from a US lab, will I blame the USA? No.

    If it turns out to have escaped from the US military lab shut down by the CDC, will I blame the USA. No. The CDC supervision and shutdown was almost certainly effective and was a good extra layer of security. If it failed, that’s a pity but what alternative method would have been better? There’s no such thing as human perfection.

    If it was deliberately released, that’s a terrible crime but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Grounds for suspicion provide a motive for investigation not condemnation.

    In any case, why would any Yank think that the USA would handle an epidemic better than China? We’re talking about low tech social distancing, lockdowns and quarantines. The Yanks do wonderful medical treatment of their injured soldiers but eventually there are those who won’t benefit from further medical care. Then the USA can’t handle turning them over in bed to prevent bedsores or handle the necessity to clean up urine and feces. What part of “the Yanks don’t do well at low tech” is hard to understand? That was the case in the 1960s and is the case today.

    For that matter, Iran has done better than the USA at controlling COVID-19. So have North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Russia and Venezuela. Surely, everybody expected that. There may be people who live in information deserts but that doesn’t include the USA except when there’s a strong political motive for it. Surely they know their weaknesses better than anybody else. Who creates a cross for their own back? donthomson1@hotmail.com

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @frontier
    , @Alden
  41. Icy Blast says:
    @Skeptikal

    You’re right. Weiss was one of the most enthusiastic anti-Trumpers in the world. Now she’s trying to rewrite history. I will never forget her disgusting performance on the Joe Rogan show, when she shamefully slandered her intellectual and moral better, Tulsi Gabbard, for advocating the end of America’s illegal military actions in Syria.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  42. sally says:
    @rgl

    I cannot remember a time when Congress hosted other than a expert specialized to uttering false and misleading propaganda. Even if there were a resident expert in congress, I suspect there are none from that source, that can be believed?

    Expertise often surfaces when the peanut galley makes comment on a theory supported by verifiable facts and objective inferences; especially when that theory is proposed by someone like Ron Unz.

    The collective comments expose the theory to analysis by many partial experts.. .collectively these partial bits of expertise, create a body of expert knowledge, instead of an opinion of a professional expert. Instead of one more expert opinion, we get the facts to arrive at our own theory or to adopt the theory proposed.

  43. @emersonreturn

    i don’t believe china will allow a repeat of the opium wars, & i believe china knows more about the history of those wars than most western scholars.

    Yes they like to talk about the opium wars with Britain and try to forget about how the US saved their regime from Japan.

    i propose the chinese anticipated the bio weapon & were prepared for it…thus their swift reaction.

    They didn’t have a swift reaction and in fact denied it existed for months. The original doctors that worked on it were accused of fear mongering and spreading rumors. One of those doctors disappeared. Of course we can’t expect CNN to follow up on that.

    We also will never know the true numbers. China isn’t an open state and they will lie when it suits them.

    What we did learn is that the WHO really is filled with anti-Western globalists and leftists. Their immediate backing of China will not be forgotten.

    China and the left both have a serious problem which is the internet. It’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out. Someone will squeal and the press won’t be able to ignore it.

    • Disagree: Sarah, antibeast
  44. @Anon62

    Omitted from Mr Unz’ synopsis is MSM media reporting coincident with the COVID outbreak which reported an Israeli firm had a COVID vaccine ready for distribution.

    It was some ministry researcher who thought an existing vaccine for a chicken coronavirus would work for covid. That was then misreported as Israel has a vaccine in development.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Sarah
  46. @tanabear

    Bret Weinstein is at times driven away a little bit from sound reasoning and then runs to hide in the big and deep woods of a tactical (and a bit paranoid) worldview. He is not always like this, but he for sure does have his weak moments (his position on IQ would be another example because it is – rather scholastical in nature – and far away from the scientific (and social not least) reality.

  47. Thomasina says:
    @Drakejax

    That’s the way I’m leaning too. The U.S. multinational corporations, along with U.S. politicians, have invested a lot of effort in building up China. Both the U.S. and Chinese elite have become filthy rich from this arrangement. But I see the Democrats AND the Republicans in alliance, with only a few Republican holdouts.

    I heard one interviewer yesterday say something like, “It almost appears as if the U.S. elite are purposely trying to destroy the U.S.” It does seem that way. They’re either doing this to maintain the status quo (service industries for the U.S./manufacturing for China) or they’re intentionally destroying the U.S. in order to hand the reins over to China. After all, they’ve got their tentacles wrapped around a good deal of China, so they could probably care less.

    Who knows, but the U.S. elite are fighting awfully hard to maintain their control over the population. They are desperately trying to get a race war going by targeting “White terrorists”, probably because they saw how the citizens embraced talk of nationalism, which is definitely not in the interest of the world’s elites, both Chinese and American.

    I think they released Covid (and probably lied about the seriousness of the illness and the number of deaths) in order to regain control. They want control of the entire world, and they’re not about to let a bunch of patriots stop them.

    Covid, the PCR tests, the push for mass vaccination, the disallowing of alternative remedies, the masks, global warming, WMD, the results of the last election, Russiagate, 9/11 – what do they all have in common?

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  48. It seems some lies have gotten a lot more mileage than others, and the mainstream media has been working overtime at mass censorship. Who orchestrates that concert?

    Why not have a panel discussion with Nicolas Wade, Ron Unz, and a few other experts from other parts of the world? Televise it with one of Musk’s satellites. Include some smart poll questions for callers. Take some questions too and make some recommendations for action. And if you name some names, have a poster board of Dr, Fauci ready on which to pin some of his main omissions and falsehoods. Like “I did not fund gain of function research…”

    • Agree: Sarah
    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  49. gnbRC says:
    @SZ

    Isn’t it interesting how the advanced civilization of the Kerguelen is still based on the same psycho-social thought process as humans.

    But I digress, the subject essay is about the origins of COVID – using history as a guide, humans don’t need an extraterrestrial bad-actor to implement something like this.

  50. gnbRC says:
    @Ron Unz

    As far as I know, all the actual vaccines were developed by a variety of non-Israeli firms, and Israel had to import those in order to vaccinate its own population. So that executive was obviously just lying.

    Playing devil’s advocate here, I’ve only seen one essay that performed a timeline analysis on the roll-out of the COVID vaccines, and the conclusion was drawn that the vaccines had to have already existed prior to the appearance of COVID. Further bolstering this point is the timeline for the Russian rollout of Sputnik V – which they (the Russians) said had been developed and tested over 20-years.

    So, while the Israeli executive may have been a little liberal with the truth, he and his organization may indeed have been involved in the development of a vaccine prior. There is just no way the average person, or even a experienced journalist, could know due to the lack of released ‘for eyes only’ information. He may have just lacked discretion, being involved with the external cohort of organizations involved in biowarfare and associated vaccine development. Who’s to say for sure?

  51. This funny incident of going after Kevin Barrett – goy converted to Islam – and not Ron Unz whom Barrett openly credits with being a source of his thinking –

    This may be a case of the classic Jewish religious commandment and also cultural norm, not to denounce other Jews in public.

    Tho this rule is not strictly kept – as various dissident rebel Jews are sometimes denounced by even other Jews as ‘anti-semitic’ (!) etc – the rule does seem to function, and it has additional motivation, when the dissident Jews are as effective as the ones on Ron Unz’s website.

    Of Jewish-heritage authors on this site, we have Ron Unz himself, Israel Shamir, Gilad Atzmon, Jonathan Cook, Ilana Mercer and (quarter Jewish, IIRC him saying) Anatoly Karlin, plus others as well, such as Stephen F Cohen who passed away last year.

    One major arena in which you see this rule in effect, is the way that the George Soros wing of globalist Jews, and the Netanyahu-type wing of Zionist-nationalist Jews, work against each other through proxies and tend not to make direct attacks, despite the intensity of their conflict.

    The rule was violated for a time when Bibi Netanyahu’s son Yair went publicly after Soros, even re-posting Soros with the classic ‘happy merchant’ anti-Jewish cartoon figure meme, but then Yair backed off, perhaps after a tap on the shoulder … here’s that Yair meme, also borrowing the David Icke ‘reptile alien’ idea

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Schuetze
  52. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Drakejax

    Keep it simple. Simple truth is miscalled simplicity.

  53. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    funny you should think that

    • Replies: @Sean
  54. @Getaclue

    Gyalo Dondrub says it began in Fort Dietrick.

  55. Erebus says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The kicker is whether Gerd vanden Bossche is correct…

    I find even greater a kicker in what some US doctors have been saying on their videos. I’ve seen 3 now of doctors saying that they’re refusing to treat vaccinated patients because they’ve noticed something weird going on…


    Are these videos the thin leading edge of a potentially much nastier wedge than “vaccine escape”?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  56. Yee says:

    Donald A Thomson,

    “why would any Yank think that the USA would handle an epidemic better than China? We’re talking about low tech social distancing, lockdowns and quarantines. ”

    They didn’t. They expected China handle the epidemic worse than the US. In fact, they expected a Chernobyl, the MSM said so from the very begining. And the Chernobyl lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    So, even if China and the US suffered exactly the same from the epidemic, it would have dealt a much harder blow to the Chinese government, while nothing significant would happen in the US.

    Only China didn’t follow the script by doing a country-wide quarantine.

    • Agree: Sarah
  57. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    I can’t understand how come Ron Unz ignores and/or trivializes the actual statements of the likes of Gates and Schwab, and treats those who *have* watched their videos as conspiracy theorists and kooks, and ridicules the very notion that there is any substance or reality to, say, the Great Reset agenda…What gives with the blinders?

    Well, your much more sweeping theory behind Covid-19 is certainly possible. But here’s something to consider…

    The factual points I’ve made in my articles seem to provide very strong evidence that the *immediate* cause of the Covid-19 outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). I’ve been making these arguments for more than a year now, yet virtually no one on the Internet seems aware of them, nor until the last week or so were they cited almost anywhere else.

    Instead, during much of this time probably millions of people around the Internet have been concentrating their anger upon the demonic figures of Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, and the “Great Reset” as the cause of the world’s gigantic calamity. Huge numbers of extremely popular YouTube videos have been promoting these theories.

    If you were the CIA or whomever actually carried out the biowarfare attack, wouldn’t you prefer that everybody blame an 83-year-old Swiss banker or a software mogul rather than pay any attention to the simple facts I present?…

  58. @brabantian

    Of Jewish-heritage authors on this site, we have (…), Jonathan Cook, (…).

    I have found no evidence that Jonathan Cook is Jewish, and in fact some of his utterances seem to strongly imply that he is not.

    Do you have to be Jewish to report on Israel for the New York Times?
    https://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/do-you-have-to-be-jewish-to-report-on-israel-for-the-new-york-times/

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  59. @Dumbo

    On the importance of “Who has done it” compared to a sincere probe into the main larger context of the Covid phenomenon.

    This commenters note(Dumbo) is far more essential to the dancing then “who has done it this time”. What about next time, and times over. Want to go back to earlier times? Intrigues always spans borders, to grasp this, just look at European Royalty intermarriage in the Pre-Twenty-First Century. The Alliances, devil and tail of a Stalin and a Churchill, Jew “financiers” (family clan related) financing all sides discriminately.

    [MORE]

    Corporations, which are basically masks and cloaks for individuals and their extended clans, their private militia, their “consiglieri” as in banal mafia Hollywood fill these means methods and foot-steps for one in our present days. These corporations are the “intermarried” royal families of lore. That should be close, still the over-layering has other facets, crossing time-lines (past to future expectancy) and territorial boundaries, only in some cases states.

    The blur of complex societies(most is rather derivative then incremental) is almost as inextricable to a non insider, and i consider Ron not an insider at the level of the policies now applied (vaccines, missile experiments, social-order experiments, AI applied genetics, bio-genetics, social-engineering, surveillance, spacial endeavors).

    Sadly his analysis, is what i call “stool probing”, “rectal endoscopy”, of the digestive tract of world society. Sadly even more, Ron to not subscribe to the issue at hand(“who done it”) by considering the far larger framework of Covid(engineeered and by evolution, the “epidemy” expansion in social stratification globally, the opportunistic anchoring of unrelated issues) at the expense of gaining some near political and influencer tract. unz.com should leave a door open to larger circumferential factoring to make any sense, be of meaning and have formal educational ambitions for the few who might possess the minimal “cognitive machinery”(@rahan). Being read, does mostly not equal being of significance, on the contrary, it certainly is a tribute to overload.

    An outright logic processing fault is definitely the continuous dipping in the pool of toxic data, the same pool to argument and counter arrest, thus adding to multiplying layers of deceit, overhead, triviality, confusion, overload and outright masking the original content that might(at rare occasions as indicators, triggers appear as errors) figure in this pool. Very much as upping the stack in nerdy programming. Ron must be somehow familiar with the analogy of webserver to WordPress and Patreon. If this is his goal so be it, any niche has it’s Hollywood.

    Not many chances the comment will be published, but sincere as always, i believe that the larger context of our every day, is now more interesting then ever in history, and understanding it is peeling layers, and auto-censure oneself into quality data sets, rather then expleting oneself in producing narratives.

  60. Sean says:
    @anonymous

    In the vastly underrated action film Invasion USA, Chuck Norris’s character has an unusual pet

    In China that little creature would be worth its weight in gold, because the local men would pay to consume it as an, ahem, ‘male enhancer’. I am sure that pangolins becoming the worlds most trafficked animal because of a Chinese sexual inferiority complex has nothing to do with the Covid-19 virus having components of a pangolin virus spike protein in it.

  61. I find it interesting that Ron, whom I supported in his Senate run, fails to mention my book, “When China Sneezes: From the Coronavirus Lockdown to the Global Politico-Economic Crisis.” I just happened to have been IN China at the time of the Wuhan outbreak. I recommend my book if one wants to have a hands-on, from the ground view of what happened in the USA AND in China and why US media are not to be trusted in its coverage of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19. Not only do we discuss i n this book the laboratories, previous US military biological experimentation on the US population, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), and the history of eugenics in the US.

    Naturally, I encourage anyone interested in all of the information to read my book available at Clarity Press.

    And now, I’ve learned even more information about the nature of SARS-CoV-2 and its entry point into the human cell. Read this 2020 study for more shocking information: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01673-z

    Yes, I go there . . .

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  62. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    An 83-year-old Swiss banker is probably more ruthless and adroit at clandestine conspiracy than people who have never been out of Salt Lake City apart from the year they spent as Mormon missionaries. I am talking about the CIA of course. Even so, they could think up something more effective that messing with your Google ranking surely?

  63. Yee says:

    John Johnson,

    “The original doctors that worked on it were accused of fear mongering and spreading rumors. One of those doctors disappeared. Of course we can’t expect CNN to follow up on that.”

    This is an outright lie.

    The doctor who first noticed a cluste of strange pneumonia cases reported to the medical authority on 27th Dec, and a notice was issued inside the medical circle to alert other doctors. The content of that notice was shared on social media 3 days later, before anyone had a clear idea of what was happening. That’s why it was the wrong thing to do. When even doctors don’t know what’s happening, you can’t announce to the public we have an epidemic.

    No one disappeared. One of the doctor caught the virus and died.

    • Agree: Rahan, GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @antibeast
  64. Yee says:

    Sean,

    “In China that little creature would be worth its weight in gold, because the local men would pay to consume it as an, ahem, ‘male enhancer’. ”

    Don’t know why Westerners are so obsessed with sexual enhancement…

    Pangolin is for breaking lumps in the body. It’s usually used for women with lactation problem after child birth. It can also used for pain in the joints.

    You can easily check on the Internet if you can read Chinese.
    [功用] 活血通络,消肿排脓,下乳汁。
    [主治] 痈肿疮毒、乳痈、乳汁不通、风湿关节痛等症。

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Sean
  65. Under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was very likely a rogue operation unauthorized by President Donald Trump, but probably orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons whom he had placed in charge of our national security policy, individuals associated with Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton.

    I think Covid-19 can be compared to 9/11 in many ways, e.g. it was probably in the planning and development phase for at least several years before being unleashed on the world, and the planners likely had to wait until the proper bunch of scoundrels were in power (in the executive branch) to carry it out.

    Also like the case of Bush and the 9/11 attack, the question arises: How much did Trump know about Covid-19 and when did he know it? And in light of the several reckless and murderous things Trump did, he probably signed off on it, IMO.

    Meanwhile, most of the rightwingers or populists who strongly supported Trump have always been deeply hostile to Pompeo, Bolton, and the numerous other Neocons whom he had elevated to top positions. These latter individuals would certainly be the prime suspects behind the biowarfare attack, and the subsequent domestic blowback, including our own local epidemic and the resulting lockdowns, helped ensure Trump’s reelection defeat. Therefore, one might expect that my accusations would strongly resonate in those pro-Trump, anti-Neocon circles, but instead the topic has been entirely ignored.

    Indeed, but they seemed to ignore or downplay lots of bad things that Trump did, e.g. the attack on the Shayrat airbase in Syria and the assassination of General Soleimani. Even the fact that Trump was responsible for the appointment of those around him didn’t seem to carry much weight with them. Many Trump supporters were good at making up exculpatory excuses.

    Fortunately, this existing wall of silence surrounding the origins of Covid-19 may finally be starting to crack. Nicholas Wade ranks as one of America’s premier science journalists, having spent more than four decades at the New York Times, Science, and Nature. Two weeks ago he produced an important 11,000 word analysis of the origins of Covid-19, which was soon republished in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

    Starting to crack only in the sense that they feel compelled to propound limited-hangout propaganda, IMO. That they’re still hiding early apparent cases of Covid-19 in the U.S. that would undermine the “China did it” narrative gives it all away, and on top of that their conspicuous campaign against the early treatment of high-risk Covid-19 patients with certain apparently efficacious drugs and nutritional supplements has never been properly explained.

    Trump and his political allies had previously been the loudest advocates of an artificial origin, pointing their finger of blame towards the Wuhan Institute of Virology, so his enforced departure from the political scene may have facilitated this revolution in the thinking of his bitter media enemies.

    But isn’t it standard operating procedure for the U.S. “government” to accuse its “enemies” of doing exactly what it’s doing? (Especially in this case since Trump seemed to have a seething hatred of China and spent much of his “presidency” trying to demonize the country).

  66. MEH 0910 says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d

    I spoke about Nick’s article last week with Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, the renowned Columbia University virus hunter who was one of the five co-authors on the seminal “proximal origin” paper.

    He favored a natural origin theory, he said, in part because he had assumed that all the Wuhan Institute’s 2019 work with SARS-like viruses had been done in its top-level BSL-4 lab, which was cleared to operate in 2017. (State Department cables from 2018 raised questions about how well-run the lab was.)

    But later he learned of studies with Dr. Shi’s name on them showing that work he considers dangerous had been done in level BSL-2 labs, which he considers highly porous to leaks, not just in 2016, but in 2020.

    “That’s screwed up,” he said. “It shouldn’t have happened. People should not be looking at bat viruses in BSL-2 labs. My view has changed.”

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  67. Rahan says:
    @Greg S.

    But does that make sense? Any groups that can get as far as (1) and (2) above are not incompetent. They know what they are doing. They can predict consequences. Things like the “SPARS” documents show evidence of wargaming the scenario.

    Yes and no. If we take a lower rung–the “elites” that make choices within big corporations and various state institutions across the world–they constantly make mistakes, and constantly display incompetence. The secret services and the army are bywords for mistakes and incompetency in every, or almost every country in the world.

    What I would suggest is a “three center” model of how today’s globohomo works:
    1) The aware psychopaths
    2) The semi-aware corrupt
    3) The unaware incompetents and idiots

    So, if, for example, a faction of globohomo wishes to destroy Libya or to hook half of America on opioids and antidepressants, then it goes like this. Group 1–the aware psychopaths–knows very well what they are doing and why. Through bribery and kickbacks and promises of cushy positions, they get the group 2–the semi-aware corrupt–on their side. And then, with the corrupt “experts and elites” saying what the aware psychopaths want said, this motivates enough elements of group 3–the unaware incompetents and idiots–to participate. And beyond this group is the layer of official propaganda.

    So, if for example, you want to analyze some Forever War, you have to through these layers in reverse. First is the official propaganda layer. You push through, and reach the layer of astounding imbecility. You keep pushing through, and reach the layer of astronomical corruption. And if you push through beyond that layer–you reach the aware psychopaths who set everything into motion. And if you’re not careful you soon tragically stab yourself in the back of your head half a dozen times with a fire ax.

    Here on the Unz review, you have people analyzing many phenomena through filters that usually focus on one of the above. Some focus on constantly dismantling the outer propaganda layer. Others point out the imbecility layer. Others still point out the corruption layer. And some try to deduce the outlines of the psychopathic primal movers.

    And that’s great. One analyzes layer A, another analyzes layer B. We the readers get to use this material to construct an overall picture. Whenever someone does a good job of analyzing the hypothetical functioning of one of those layers concerning a specific phenomenon, we say “thank you”.

    I think the United States and the western world were always the primary target of COVID-19. I think the timing was intentional to get rid of Trump and squash the growing “populism” movement in the western world. I also think it was released all over the world at the same time to cover the tracks and muddy the waters

    I think gradually more and more of us are drifting toward this general interpretation.

    In my case with the caveat that Trump the Jester and his band of merry peasants shocked enough globohomo elements into losing their nerve and starting certain things before being really ready.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Blissex
  68. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I want, no I wish, I could say, “You’re wrong” and offer a more sanguine alternative as our collective future, but I fear you are likely correct, MM.

    As I am sure you are noticing, the shift to “Russia Okay” from “Russia Bad” is slowly emerging from Biden’s team (e.g., letting Nordstreeam 2 go forward), and with Walensky as head of US CDC today intimating the possibility of Covid being lab sourced (see here: https://www.rt.com/usa/524285-lab-origin-covid-cdc/), we can see the shift towards isolating China on Covid, Uighurs, totalitarian surveillance, etc. (and rewarding Russia for standing aside), such that China may be weakened enough on sufficient fronts to start the tiny cracking and fracturing that allows zionist infiltration into finance and media, and thus insuring China’s slow, inevitable demise from internal parasitism, just as here in the USA. No nukes needed. Death by a thousand cuts.

    At that point, Russia can be dealt with much more easily, perhaps effortlessly…….

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  69. @Ever Becoming

    I have been saying this for some time. I am acquainted with people who work(ed) in a Level 4 lab. The chances of an accidental leak are, at best, remote, even with the minor safety infractions reported at Wuhan. The massive infractions reported at Fort Detrick, including propping open doors and handling of waste, would do nicely in allowing a leak. What sealed it for me, was the Judy Mikovits interview where she said they were trying to force Ebola into humans during her time there.

    • Thanks: Ever Becoming
  70. @Ron Unz

    But if you think I’ve naive for believing that the people behind the biowarfare attack were criminal and incompetent and instead feel sure that they were demonically evil, that’s fine with me…

    Why not all three?

  71. @anonymous

    I wish this were true, but it is impossible to imagine that the truth will ever be extracted from the records of the CIA or Mossad. All we’ll get will be stalling, perception management, and blaming China.

    Fifty years from now, when all the participants are long dead, maybe. But now … no chance.

  72. @Greg S.

    Any groups that can get as far as (1) and (2) above are not incompetent. They know what they are doing. They can predict consequences. Things like the “SPARS” documents show evidence of wargaming the scenario.

    As I see it, at the highest level of the “deep state” we’re dealing with demon-possessed, devil-worshiping madmen who realize at some level of consciousness that their evil empire is going down, and they’re desperate. If this is the correct view then I suspect they will keep doubling-down on failure and keep taking risks until they start WW3 (I hope I am wrong about this).

  73. Dumbo says:
    @Yee

    Pangolin is for breaking lumps in the body. It’s usually used for women with lactation problem after child birth. It can also used for pain in the joints.

    What about just taking some ibuprofen, or herbal tea, instead of eating those poor exotic animals?

    It’s more humane, and doesn’t risk exporting weird diseases to the whole world.

    Now you’ll tell me that bat soup is for headache and shark fin is for heartburn…

    (Note: I doubt that the virus came naturally from bats or pangolins, it was obviously manipulated in a lab).

    • Replies: @Marckus
  74. SafeNow says:

    In the 1960 movie “The Time Machine,” the scientist-inventor is showing his friends his model of the time machine, and explaining how time travel works. He explains that you simply push this lever forward to travel forward in time, and pull it backward to travel backward in time. We now live in a lever-forward / lever-backward U.S. The country is too far gone to deal with a Nicholas Wade mode of explanation, or a Ron Unz mode of extended, fastidious explication. Any effort to deviate from “lever” explanations is treated dismissively.

  75. Thomasina says:
    @Harold Smith

    How ridiculous. Trump said he quite liked President Xi and admired the Chinese people, but said he still thought there should be tariffs imposed on China.

    Of course, Trump fully understood what had transpired between the U.S. multinational corporations (who offshored jobs to China for cheap labor and no environmental controls) and the Chinese elite (who gained enormously from this relationship). 60% of all goods exported back into the U.S. from China were manufactured (in China) by the U.S. multinationals. So, in essence, the tariffs were really targeted towards the U.S. multinationals.

    There are some very powerful and deadly people behind the scenes. If you don’t go along with the agenda of globalization and what the neocons want, you will be crucified. Look at the Bidens, taking bribes from China. Same with the Clintons with their Clinton Foundation. As far as corruptness goes, Trump pales in comparison to these two families.

    How much did Trump know about Covid? Well, he knew enough to try to close the borders to Chinese flights, but that was considered “racist”. He also tried to inform people about using hydroxychloroquine to fight Covid, but he was vilified for this. I think he knew more than you give him credit for, but he’s one man. It would take an army to get rid of the corruption.

    But Covid did come in handy for mail-in ballots, didn’t it? It certainly enabled the stealing of the election, the irregularities of which were never investigated, no answers provided. Similar to the Plandemic; don’t ask questions.

    The U.S. government is being run by some very evil people. Trump, not being a politician, was probably naive to the depths of this evil. I’m sure he’s had his eyes opened.

    I guess you must be excited about The Great Reset then. Won’t that be fun.

    • Agree: Jeffrey A Freeman
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  76. Nancy says:
    @Skeptikal

    Ron needs no defense, just undying gratitude, IMO. And I’ve become so tired of seeing the tactic of making the perfect the enemy of the good. A subtle but effective subversion?

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  77. scamDemic says:

    This video corrects the “Official Lie” on how COVID-19 managed to spread throughout the entire world, yet somehow NOT spread through China.

  78. Wade says:
    @Drakejax

    While I find the idea that COVID was a neocon attack against China and Iran, I think it even more plausible that it was a neolib attack engineered with the connivance of the CCP. Hence the use of Wuhan. The objection that the CCP would not attack their own people I find unpersuasive by itself and besides they may have underestimated their ability to contain it (they seem to have done well anyways). Iranians could have gotten it inadvertently, or as a side operation.

    I think this theory just muddies the waters. Of course this is possible. But try to remember that Ron Unz, and everyone else, is in the position of Copernicus trying to infer the cause of observed phenomena without a telescope, or in this case a “smoking gun”.

    In these cases sound logic dictates that we jettison any extraneous assumptions that aren’t required to explain the totality of the observations in need of explanation. The idea that the US Neocons are secretly colluding with the CCP against humanity requires a big stretch of the imagination. So unless you have any direct evidence that the Chinese participated with the US in a kind of global psychological operation, it’s probably best to stick to the theory with the least amount of unproven assumptions: The US Neocons did it to China.

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  79. Wade says:
    @Dumbo

    While it was obvious that the disease and the reaction to it were planned in advance, and the virus or whatever causes it was created (manipulated) in a lab in Wuhan, with American money, the theory that it was done to hurt China or Iran doesn’t hold much water.

    The fact that it broke out in China with Iran having the second epicenter literally holds no water at all to you? The Davos crowd as well as all the control freaks here in the US of course are looking for whatever excuse they can come up with to control us more: and to make lots of profits doing it! There’s a long and document record of attempting to do away with the 2nd amendment, the 1st amendment, free markets, the middle class, etc.. using all manner of fears: Global cooling, global warming, climate change, terrorism. With the outbreak of biological warfare it should be regarded as a foregone conclusion that the usual suspects would take advantage of it. However, there’s no direct evidence that such people had access to a biological weapons program. The US did, however.

    We have to stick to the facts as much as possible and those were all provided by Ron Unz in his “17,000,000” words on the subject. I mean you’re literally saying “I don’t need to need to read all that stinking evidence, I know whodunnit already!”

    I agree with you that there’s something amiss with the Great Reset. In replies to me Ron admits he hasn’t paid much attention to it yet. However, that’s mainly because there’s no evidence that the Davos crowd was in any position to initiate the protocols necessary to release the virus. There are multiple other ways of explaining their apparent prescience about the pandemic without assuming they authorized the released the virus themselves.

    After 911, there’s no doubt that our security state aggressively violated the civil liberties of US citizens through increased surveillance and they are still using “terrorism” to justify a lot of actions they shouldn’t be getting away with. However, the direct evidence of who did 911 all leads to Israel and a perhaps a handful of neocon co-conspirators.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  80. My experience promoting “numerous conspiracy theories” has taught me how hard it is to spread shockingly bad news about the world’s most powerful people. But since almost everybody, left and right, dislikes Pompeo and Bolton, maybe COVID truth will be an exception.

    By the way, my criterion for an attention-worthy “conspiracy theory” is simple: Multiply “how likely is it that this is true” by “how important would it be if it’s true.” Mainstreamers do this unconsciously, neurotically avoiding the high-scoring issues. I do it consciously and focus on precisely those issues.

    Ron Unz’s work on COVID obviously earns a very high score.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  81. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    There has been a Covid Vaccine since 1874. At the time it was called “Dr Pierce’s Elixir.” Before that it was called snake oil.

    • LOL: PetrOldSack
  82. @Wade

    Wrong, the Chinese are not the target of this operation, the public itself is the target. COVID was not deployed as a weapon. The timeline of events suggests that COVID leaked accidentally from USAMRIID at Fort Detrick no later than mid 2019. Everything since then has been a coverup to prevent the public from understanding that this GoF research project killing people worldwide leaked from an Army laboratory on U.S. soil.

    Consider: the pandemic began in China with abject scaremongering about a global plague. We heard the virus was incredibly contagious, with a two week incubation period; that it would infect everyone, put ~15% of all patients in the ICU, where 3% of all patients would die. We were treated to images and videos of doctors in hazmat gear, CCP goons bleaching the streets, people “dropping dead” in the streets, apartment buildings being welded shut, rumors of mobile incinerators and a sulfur dioxide plume above Wuhan. At the same time that the media out of China was apocalyptic, the U.S. media made no reaction at all. Talking heads and Democrats like Pelosi said there was no reason to worry, and if you did worry, you were in fact racist. It is not just government incompetence that can explain the spread of COVID in the U.S. It is also media gatekeeping. Why did the MSM ignore COVID for months before suddenly saying “you have to wear masks and socially distance for 2 weeks” (one of the biggest lies of the year)? Ron must account for their “incompetence” as well.

    The most important question is, why, after COVID clearly had time and opportunity to spread from Wuhan to the United States, did the media completely invert its attitude? The reality of the plague from China turned out to be a big fat nothingburger compared to the initial reports about the virus. And yet the media transformed their portrayal of COVID into a full blown apocalyptic nightmare, matching the tone (if whiffing the statistics) of the initial reports out of Wuhan.

    There is only one explanation here: the MSM is complicit in a coverup of the origins of COVID 19. Both the US government AND the media complex had to keep their guard down against COVID long enough for the disease to appear to travel here, when in fact it was here all along. For this same reason the CDC stage managed case and death statistics throughout the pandemic, to disguise the fact that Ft. Detrick was ground zero, and the “EVALI” epidemic was part of the initial coverup of COVID’s spread in America.

    If this is true, it becomes completely plausible that China is in on the deception. The deep state and China have been joined at the hip for decades. China set the apocalyptic tone of the narrative which was later adopted by the MSM. But look out your window. Take your mask off. There is no apocalypse. There is a psychological operation.

    Now please, to all the feckless “reporters” who read CDC talking points off a teleprompter all day, to the “mobile units” using the National Guard to bring the vaccine to the hood, to Mr. Biden especially and his ultimatum of “vaccine or mask”, please, put down the goalposts, shove it all up your ass, fuck off and die, America doesn’t need you.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  83. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ever Becoming

    I recall that. Didn’t they blame that on e- cigarettes?

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  84. Ron Unz says:
    @Ever Becoming

    The timeline of events suggests that COVID leaked accidentally from USAMRIID at Fort Detrick no later than mid 2019. Everything since then has been a coverup to prevent the public from understanding that this GoF research project killing people worldwide leaked from an Army laboratory on U.S. soil.

    I don’t want to help derail this comment-thread towards discussing ridiculous nonsense, mostly promoted by pro-China propagandists and their “useful idiots.” But I guess I might as well quote a couple of paragraphs from my recent March article:

    One of the most widespread of these theories, which had begun circulating on the Internet by early March, was the suggestion that the Covid-19 virus had its origins outside of China, and had actually been present in the U.S. during much of 2019; the disease was then accidentally brought to Wuhan by American visitors, thereby producing the Chinese outbreak. Since anti-China accusations had pointed to the Wuhan lab as the likely source of the virus, China’s partisans often returned the favor, suggesting that the deadly infection had somehow escaped from Ft. Detrick, America’s premier biowarfare research facility. During summer 2019 America had seen a flurry of news stories about “vaping deaths” and these were cited as misdiagnosed Covid-19 fatalities, while Ft. Detrick’s temporary shutdown for a few months during the summer became proof of a laboratory leak.

    However, this theory makes absolutely no logical sense. The single most crucial fact about Covid-19 is that the virus is extremely contagious under normal conditions, and once it has become established in a community, the number of infected individuals will tend to double every three to five days absent strong public health measures. Thus, the infection of a tiny handful of Americans in January or February had led to huge regional outbreaks by March and April, including many thousands of deaths, with overburdened hospitals containing scenes out of Dante’s Inferno. If any significant number of Americans had already become infected during late summer 2019, the gigantic resulting epidemic and huge death toll by the end of that year would have so dominated our news headlines that no one would have paid any attention to the international developments out of Wuhan.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/#pro-chinese-counter-propaganda

  85. @Ron Unz

    The factual points I’ve made in my articles seem to provide very strong evidence that the *immediate* cause of the Covid-19 outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). I’ve been making these arguments for more than a year now, yet virtually no one on the Internet seems aware of them ….

    George Webb did numerous video reports in 2020 on the theme of COVID-19 as biowarfare, and pointed towards elements of NATO as chief suspects, with Fort Detrick often referred to. His many hundreds (?) of video investigations and musings on that and other controversies were at some point entirely ‘disappeared’ from YouTube.

    I don’t think that “very strong evidence” is an appropriate description of the basis of your conclusion that the ” “immediate” cause of the COVID-19 outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).” You have provided some evidence in support of your conclusion.

    But your conclusion in the sentence quoted above lacks clarity: What is meant by ‘ “immediate” cause‘. For example, if someone hires a hit man to kill someone, then what is the immediate cause of death vs simply the cause of death? The bullet, or the conspiratorial decision to place the contract?

    By serendipity, I happened to meet a middle aged American woman travelling through Canada in 2020. She had much experience in the medical field, and had enjoyed long good health, but in late 2019 she and her mother had both gotten very sick with a weird respiratory illness while travelling in the South East US. Her illness in retrospect had many of the symptoms associated with COVID-19, but at the time there was no such identified phenomenon. Of course this is just an anecdote, but it fits pretty precisely with numerous similar reports in that area of the US that at the time I think were often associated with ‘vaping’.

    In early 2020, an Ontario doctor divulged to me that there was a medical authority attempt to prevent doctors from employing effective available treatments for early cases of COVID-19. This doctor was furious, and his anger was far from alone across the West. Again a mere anecdote, but a piece of evidence if you like. Why would doctors in much of the West be prevented from carrying out effective early treatment over a supposed bio-warfare attack on China?

    And what such anecdotes – and there are many more that could be cited – add up to is that there are many aspects of the situation we are facing which a simple bio-warfare attack by Americans on China and Iran simply don’t address.

    Also, I think you are doing a disservice to truth and reason by reducing what is going on globally with COVID-19 etc to a choice between your thesis (which self-describes as very strong evidence for an American bio-attack) and a cartoonesque and misleading characterization of the big picture processes as one where “everybody blame an 83-year-old Swiss banker or a software mogul….”

    Gates and Schwab are prominent members of a very large cast, with an explicit and implicit very large plan, deserving of illumination, not dismissal.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Wade
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Zago
  86. @Ron Unz

    Stop regurgitating your cud and write something original. You are obviously a sophist and a troll. A wielder of weasel words. Disappointing.

    • Disagree: Wade
    • Replies: @Wade
  87. @Kevin Barrett

    Conspiracy, border line analysis, slobbering from the burbling stream of toxic data, addicted to the glare of the sun on the mirror. Frogs in concerto in between the wet weeds.

    I do it consciously and focus on precisely those issues.

    Some do it by lack of better, some do it for a living.

    “how likely is it that this is true” by “how important would it be if it’s true.”

    Ah the great art of rectal endoscopy, your definition is spot on, then sell the outcome as true as snake-oil!

  88. Wade says:
    @Ever Becoming

    Never a surer sign of someone having lost the debate than to read a comment like this one.

    • Agree: acementhead, Mark Hunter
    • Troll: Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  89. @Anon

    Yes they blamed it on e cigarettes while carefully disclaiming that they had no evidence it was caused by e cigarettes. Liberal legislatures nearly put JUUL out of business based on the CDC’s bashing of legal nicotine products over EVALI.

    [MORE]
    But then a few weeks later, the CDC let nicotine vaporizers off the hook and switched to blaming black market THC vaporizers, again without even claiming to have any evidence to support their thesis. Conveniently, the black market vaporizers could not be held publicly accountable, and the disease just disappeared.

    The A in EVALI stands for associated. That means there is NO evidence of causation between vaporizers and the novel pneumonia epidemic. If the CDC is so completely clueless about what caused EVALI, why should we believe they are experts on COVID? Especially since these two diseases have identical clinical manifestations?

    • Agree: gay troll
  90. Wade says:
    @Robert Snefjella

    Gates and Schwab are prominent members of a very large cast, with an explicit and implicit very large plan, deserving of illumination, not dismissal.

    I agree with you that Gates and Schwab have agendas which are very ominous and that should not be dismissed lightly. But do you know what they don’t have? Bioweapons labs.

    • Thanks: Mark Hunter
    • LOL: Ron Unz
  91. @blaster

    play on the monkey bars etc

    I believe they pulled all the monkey bars years ago. My high school dropped football.

  92. @thotmonger

    Why not have a panel discussion with Nicolas Wade, Ron Unz, and a few other experts from other parts of the world? Televise it with one of Musk’s satellites. Include some smart poll questions for calle…

    Heresy! That is not the narrative, the multi-rail, the endless linking of mouth to tail. This practice suggested would border honest science, constitute a living, editable data set, not done, never, not left, not right. You Sir kill the business model, and yours as much. If the narrative is not and simple, linear and has no gradient, the number four in the @Rahan hierarchy of cognition would be triggerd. The surplus population would switch channels!

  93. @Wade

    You’re wrong pal, try to pay attention. I have brought up the abject mysteries of what leaked out of Fort Detrick and what caused the EVALI epidemic numerous times in relation to the origins of COVID. Every time, Ron calls me an inept pro China propagandist, and falls back on the same arguments, namely that government incompetence is to blame for the spread of COVID in America, and if the virus had been here in 2019 we would have noticed. I have rebutted these arguments repeatedly but Ron just keeps reposting the same old shit. So he earned that response. If he does not reply to the substance of my comment, why should I reply to the substance of his?

    [MORE]

    I made a strong argument for US-China complicity based on the way the media scaremongering was handed off to the MSM after it was already too late to prevent the spread of the disease in America. Why did the MSM delay presenting the disease as a threat until it was too late to do anything to stop it? This is a question that Ron needs to answer. You can take a crack at it too.

    I mean seriously, my argument is that this is a coverup, and Ron says it can’t possibly be a coverup because we would have noticed? Does Ron not know what a coverup is? He is arguing from a televisual understanding of both epidemics; believing that because one epidemic was mediated differently, they can’t have anything in common. It seems like the major thesis of this website is that the MSM is captive to the Deep State. Yet when it comes to epidemiology Ron’s highest authority is NBC?

    My experiences of EVALI and COVID have been identical. Neither threatened the health of me, my extended family and friends, or my community. Both are invisible to me except on television and in the newspapers.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @CelestiaQuesta
  94. @Wade

    Michael Ruppert’s book Crossing the Rubicon on the 9/11 black op/false flag, has a chapter with the title “The CIA is Wall Street”.

    The Israeli Lobby ‘owns’ much of the US Federal political system.

    The first example is I think murky for many, but historically sound, while the second is currently more widely recognized.

    [MORE]

    These are two examples of the general thesis that “having” something, as in controlling something, or having use of something, be it sundry organizations or agencies of government or – wait for it – bioweapon labs, does not always conform to the nominal situation.

    So I would offer that complexes of powers that can brazenly steal elections, destroy countries and commit mass murder on the basis of lurid lies, and plan for and game out a corona virus pandemic, can plausibly buy bio-weapon lab influence, leverage, and even outright deployment.

  95. @Ron Unz

    Then I don’t understand why you haven’t made a video yet.

    There is some real talent out there waiting to do design and production work for you.

    This woman is one of my favorites because she covers a lot of ground fast. Highly entertaining and informative.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Sean
  96. anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    Cynthia McKinney is here! Unz.com is now official world headquarters of silenced dissidents.

    CIA erased her back before you could do it with six keystrokes. They went through a lot of trouble. She exposed the Izzie loyalty oath blackmail program.

    Cynthia McKinney’s work should be featured here.

  97. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Well, your much more sweeping theory behind Covid-19”

    Ron, thanks for responding, but honestly your answer sounds like a total dodge.
    It is not *my* “sweeping theory.” Obviously.
    This statement is another snarky rhetorical device.

    “Huge numbers of extremely popular YouTube videos have been promoting these theories.”

    I don’t know what “huge number of YouTube videos” you mean, whether those made by the Gates-Schwab ilk or those commenting on them.

    Per you, who is “promoting these theories”? What does that even mean?
    It is Schwab et al who are promoting their own ideas and agendas. These are not promoted as their “theories,” but rather these agendas rest on premises (perhaps their own theories) concerning population control, AI, and other ideas. it is reasonable to infer that some of their own theories underpin their agendas.

    In fact your use of the handy term “theory” in the context of my question is weird in itself.
    Whatever you want to call the messages of these messianic monsters, they are coming from very powerful actors. Those who are hearing them are wondering how the hell they fit into the rest of the covid-19 picture. It sounds as though your only response to these messages from powerful figures is to be pissed off because the public is paying more attention to them than to you. Actually, though, most of the public *is* writing off as “conspiracy theories” the fact these people are sending these messages and those who draw attention to these frightening messages are themselves written off as conspiracy theorists.

    Indeed, it is probably a toss-up which segment of the public is more microscopic, those who are paying attention to your theory or those who actually have heard and seen the Gates/Schwab spoutings. Obviously, these two microscopic segments probably overlap considerably.

    And that is why you are getting this question from me.

    You seem to be suggesting that statements by Schwab et al. are all plants—planted by whom? the CIA?— to deflect attention from the otherwise obvious real plot, the one you outline. Is that what you are saying?

    I am asking you how they fit into your picture, big or small.

    So, what is your response to what these grand-designers say?

    Just lay it on me and the UR crowd straight.
    Without resort to rhetorical devices and words that hang some kind of emoting or otherwise irrational thought mode on me or others who are asking a pretty simple question. No Steinbergian clouds of verbiage needed.
    Easy peasy.

    Thanks.

    • Agree: Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  98. Skeptikal says:
    @Nancy

    Huh?

    I am asking a fairly simple question.

  99. Iris says:
    @Ron Unz

    If you were the CIA or whomever actually carried out the biowarfare attack, wouldn’t you prefer that everybody blame an 83-year-old Swiss banker or a software mogul rather than pay any attention to the simple facts I present?…

    You deserve the global public’ gratitude for publishing this alternative and plausible version of the Covid19’s genesis. Having their scheme laid bare and publicly exposed may, hopefully, hinder the perpetrators in their next step, which is undoubtedly to accuse China of causing the pandemic via a lab leak.

    The rational reason why some people suspect that the biological warfare blowback was not unintended, but expected and even desired, is of course because of the inexplicable 2,5 months time delay incurred in the Public Health response by all European governments.

    Not all European leaders are stupid and incompetent; it remains unanswered why they did absolutely nothing, not even stock up protection masks for hospital personnel, to mitigate the effects of the pandemic, while China was fast-tracking the erection of field hospitals.

    The Economic Reset is mostly materialised by the West’s shift to a range of so-called Green technologies. The surprising thing is that, prior to the pandemic, and except in China, the pertaining scientific advances were insignificant and the shift to Green technologies was stalling, put on hold, postponed, not on the agenda anymore.

    It is extraordinary that in a situation where Western economy took a hit similar only to the 1929 dreadful scenario, our leaders were suddenly bold enough to bet on technologies which they didn’t even possess or master yet. The shift to a “Green” economy was clearly an end-goal of the pandemic, not a consequence of it. Hence, so was the Global Reset.

    I realise that these are only speculations.
    But the few coming years will show that, unlike what is pretended, the West is much lagging behind China in the field of Green energy technologies.
    This will prove that, absent a significant technology paradigm change, Western leaders didn’t have the means to bring about the ambitious Green transition that they allege to have randomly devised during the pandemic. The Green transition was dictated by political reasons, not scientific ones.

    Hence, the pandemic was, most likely, the planned and deliberate excuse devised to impose a new type of economy, while fencing the West against China’s advance and imposing cuts to living standards that Western people wouldn’t have otherwise accepted.

  100. Skeptikal says:
    @Wade

    “I agree with you that Gates and Schwab have agendas which are very ominous and that should not be dismissed lightly. But do you know what they don’t have? Bioweapons labs. ”

    Right.
    So at the risk of becoming repetitive and boring, I’ll repeat my question to Ron, perhaps in a clearer way: How are these ruthless, powerful men with their scary agenda connected to the advent and trajectory —with all of the totalitarian trimmings—of the corona event on the ground?

    How do we explain Gates-Schwab’s (those names used as shorthand) uncanny preparedness and almost eager anticipation—as evidenced by the many simulations they and their friends (Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, Johns Hopkins Center, WHO, and others) have put on—for just what we are experiencing? (And BTW, why do none of these simulations pay any attention whatsoever to medical preparedness for the eagerly-prepared-for pandemic?)

    How are these two strands of the DNA of the current situation—one strand up in the air and the other down on the ground— interwoven?

  101. Yee says:

    Dumbo,

    “Now you’ll tell me that bat soup is for headache and shark fin is for heartburn…”

    Bat soup is consumed in Southeast Asia and some Pacific Islands, not in China. Really, if a virus was to jump from the wild to human, it’d have better chance to happen in Southeast Asia, since there’re a lot more wild life there than in central China.

    In any case, the kind of bat that carry the corona-virus is not consumed by anybody, becuse they’re very small, about the size of a thumb. Nobody would bother to catch them and eat them.

  102. @Skeptikal

    “these two microscopic segments probably overlap considerably.”

    I belong to the overlapping segment. I have watched most of the videos you are referring to, have read every single Q post, followed QAnon leaders in order to make a sense of all of this.

    Gates, Schwab, Agenda 2030, Great Reset, Georgia Guidestones etc. are most likely clever distractions.

    If de-population, especially of non-white population, were the goal of globalist eugenists all along, you must admit that they have failed miserably over the last hundred years.

    Similar to how Q movement stigmatized white nationalism and legitimate demands for populist policies, blaming non-state actors, foreign powers and unaccountable unreachable billionaires takes the focus away from state actors, some of whom are elected, the United States government which is supposed to be for us, by us, and of us, and finally us, the US citizens, who are also indirectly responsible for the atrocities and genocides committed by our government.

    Does not mean Gates, Schwab, global banking cartel, power-hungry billionaires are not evil. But they have more reliable, and more conservative, strategies of gaining power and money. Starting biowarfare is too unpredictable for their taste.

  103. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:

    Jeff Davis, 72, you can convict CIA of aggression without their documentation. Aggression does not depend on motive or intention. It depends on the facts. And the facts are probative in any independent court. You don’t need CIA to admit it. We’ve got enough to hang them now.

    When the countries with a beef (191 of them, 96% of the world) finish the unrestricted warfare that CIA started, then we can decapitate the Langley regime. Time for everybody to decide whose side they’re on: the enemies of all mankind holed up in the NHB, or all mankind.

  104. Ron Unz says:
    @Ever Becoming

    I have brought up the abject mysteries of what leaked out of Fort Detrick and what caused the EVALI epidemic numerous times in relation to the origins of COVID…I have rebutted these arguments repeatedly but Ron just keeps reposting the same old shit.

    Okay, I think you claim that Covid-19 leaked out of Ft. Detrick during summer 2019, and caused quite a number of mysterious deaths in the region.

    (1) Covid-19 is *extremely* contagious and unless strong public health measures are taken, once it gains a foothold in a community, the number of cases probably double every 3-5 days. So 20 infections in August probably would have become at least 200,000 infections by October and many, many millions by November, and most of our entire country by January. Why didn’t we notice anything? Are you saying Covid-19 was harmless or non-infectious back then? Then why do you think it was Covid-19?

    (2) There are no genetic traces of Covid-19 in that region from that period.

    (3) If the alleged illness you describe didn’t behave like Covid-19 and it didn’t show up on Covid-19 tests, then probably it wasn’t Covid-19.

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
    , @Ray Caruso
  105. @Thomasina

    How ridiculous. Trump said he quite liked President Xi and admired the Chinese people, but said he still thought there should be tariffs imposed on China.

    Are we talking about the same Trump? The Trump that said he was going to “drain the swamp” but didn’t? The Trump that promised to cooperation and better relations with Russia but whose first act of “diplomacy” was to demand that Russia give back Crimea or be sanctioned? The Trump that said he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan but instead escalated…not only in Afghanistan but everywhere?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/12/01/566798632/under-trump-u-s-troops-in-war-zones-are-on-the-rise

    And you say he “admire(s)” the Chinese people? Is that why he had Meng Wanzhou arrested in Canada? Is that why he armed Taiwan and tried to starve Chinese manufacturers of semiconductors? Is that why he was constantly provoking China in the South China Sea? Is that why U.S. relations with China under Trump were brought down to the worst level they’ve been in decades? If that’s a manifestation of his “admiration” I wonder what enmity would look like. Apparently you don’t understand that talk is cheap, especially talk from a lying scumbag like your evil orange messiah, Trump.

    Of course, Trump fully understood what had transpired between the U.S. multinational corporations (who offshored jobs to China for cheap labor and no environmental controls) and the Chinese elite (who gained enormously from this relationship). 60% of all goods exported back into the U.S. from China were manufactured (in China) by the U.S. multinationals. So, in essence, the tariffs were really targeted towards the U.S. multinationals.

    How ridiculous. Trump’s tariffs are doing nothing but damaging U.S. consumers, and the retaliatory tariffs are hurting U.S. exporters, and it’s all just part of the failed imperial program to contain China.

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/trade/554136-trumps-china-tariffs-hit-us-businesses-consumers-hardest-moodys?rl=1

    There are some very powerful and deadly people behind the scenes. If you don’t go along with the agenda of globalization and what the neocons want, you will be crucified.

    What’s your point? Somebody forced Little Goody Two-Shoes, Trump, to do evil under threat of harm? Somebody threatened him for example that if he didn’t try to start WW3 by murdering General Soleimani, harm would come to him? So Goody Two-Shoes was deathly afraid of the behind-the-scenes powers but so fearless in the face of a nuclear war with Russia and/or China that he seemed willing to try to start one?

    And why didn’t the behind-the-scenes powers force Obama to repudiate the JCPOA agreement with Iran for example? And why didn’t they force Obama to exit the nuclear treaties? Obama wasn’t afraid of them but Trump was?

    Look at the Bidens, taking bribes from China. Same with the Clintons with their Clinton Foundation. As far as corruptness goes, Trump pales in comparison to these two families.

    Or so you barely assert, but that’s just your opinion. BTW how come the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists didn’t move the “doomsday clock” so close to “midnight” until Trump was president?

    According to you, Trump’s efforts to start a war with Iran for example (which could’ve become WW3) and his nuclear brinkmanship which took the world back to the most dangerous days of the cold war “pale in comparison” to the bribes allegedly taken by Clinton and Biden? I don’t know about that; I think you’re a little bit mixed up.

    How much did Trump know about Covid? Well, he knew enough to try to close the borders to Chinese flights, but that was considered “racist”.

    If it was considered “racist” then why did Trump impose travel restrictions on Jan 31, 2020? And if he did it anyway then why didn’t he do it earlier?

    I’ll tell you why: Trump had to let many travelers from China into the U.S. because the virus was already well established here and he needed to try to hide that fact so he let many possibly infected travelers in who could then be blamed for spreading the disease here.

    The novel coronavirus could have infected as many as 171 people in Florida as long as two months before officials announced it had come to the state, a Palm Beach Post analysis of state records shows.

    Patients reported symptoms of the deadly virus as early as Jan. 1, when the disease was thought to be limited to China, Department of Health records reveal.

    https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-coronavirus-up-to-171-cases-detected-in-jan-feb-health-officials-say/

    According to the NY Times, some 430,000 people traveled from China to the U.S. before Trump’s loose travel restrictions were imposed.

    https://www.kff.org/news-summary/430k-people-traveled-from-china-to-u-s-since-novel-coronavirus-detected-new-york-times-analysis-shows/

    He also tried to inform people about using hydroxychloroquine to fight Covid, but he was vilified for this.

    Well of course he did, because somebody had to. Reports were coming in from France and elsewhere in the world that hydroxychloroquine, if given early, was an effective treatment for high-risk patients. So being that you can’t stop authors from foreign countries from publishing papers, how do you counter that? You politicize it, and that’s just what they did. The strategy was brilliant.

    If Trump was serious about using hydroxychloroquine therapy to reduce morbidity and mortality in high-risk patients, he would’ve pressured the FDA to approve an emergency use authorization for use of the drug in non-hospitalized patients, which he never did.

    I think he knew more than you give him credit for, but he’s one man. It would take an army to get rid of the corruption.

    Who expected him to “get rid of the corruption”? You? I didn’t. I just expected him to not go out of his way to make things worse, but as we saw even that was expecting too much.

    The U.S. government is being run by some very evil people. Trump, not being a politician, was probably naive to the depths of this evil.

    Well he sure seemed enthusiastic about doing evil things like attacking Syria with cruise missiles, seizing Syrian oilfields, murdering General Soleimani, constantly provoking Russia and China, trying to starve Venezuela into submission, pulling out of the INF treaty, etc.

    And it sure seemed like he wanted to be reelected to the office. He must’ve really loved being threatened with death by behind-the-scenes powers.

    I’m sure he’s had his eyes opened.

    Too bad yours aren’t.

    • Replies: @acementhead
    , @Alden
  106. Skeptikal says:
    @Robert Snefjella

    RE “In early 2020, an Ontario doctor divulged to me that there was a medical authority attempt to prevent doctors from employing effective available treatments for early cases of COVID-19. This doctor was furious, and his anger was far from alone across the West. Again a mere anecdote, but a piece of evidence if you like. Why would doctors in much of the West be prevented from carrying out effective early treatment over a supposed bio-warfare attack on China? ”

    Dr. Charles Hoffe, a family in doctor in Lytton, B.C., has provided a very convincing account of his interactions with medical authorities in British Columbia that raises a whole lot of similar questions. The issue here was his attempts to report side effects of the jabs, but the official responses are, again, the disturbing issue—they make no sense in the context of normal and widely adhered to ethical priorities of physicians and indeed fly in the face of medical ethics.


  107. COVID-19 was certainly a biological attack on China as the article describes, but the United States was the ultimate target, not China. China was just a convenient waypoint for neocon Globalists. The agenda, if such as can be so described by actual outcomes, is a layered one though. Geronticide, killing off the ‘useless’ elderly ‘hobbling’ society with care needs, has a philosophical history going back to Classical Rome. There’s obvious medical profiteering, and imposing social changes best described as COVID-1984.

    One key point – there is no ‘Globalism’; Globalism is nice-sounding doublespeak for Europe First imperialist supremacism, ultimately guided by Europe’s financial aristocracy/Deep State. COVID-1984 works for them at so many levels, domestically and geopolitically.

    China may have been caught flat-footed, but legacy preps from Cold War I were there to fall back on. China was probably designed to lock down in case of biological attack. Lockdown is an imperfect defense for this kind of ongoing threat though. Chinese herd immunity from COVID-19 will always be uncertain, even backed with vaccines. China’s general population may remain vulnerable to new outbreaks. Whereas the West will eventually have a mix of artificial vaccine-induced and natural herd immunity.

    There’s not going to be a bad guy stepping out from behind the curtains to give gloating expository dialogue. There’s only the publicly available evidence trail while that lasts, the legacy of a once-freer body politic. The big push to refresh the lab leak theory, is probably one last attempt to salvage the Globalist narrative and blame China. However, the Reset is a multi-layered global putsch.

    Everything anti-human the Globalists stand for, and their agenda, can only be opposed effectively by the United States even as U.S. power is indispensable to the enforcement and expansion of Euro Globalist imperialism. Which, Americans think is their American Empire even though having zero say except to cheerlead and fork over blood and treasure.

    The North American Heartland is the second Mackinderan World Heartland, that natural continental fortress and seat of world empire as described by Halford Mackinder in 1905. America, and controlling America, was always critical to European supremacism. The New World first provided endless raw resources, then later firepower, to settle internal Euro rivalries and keep the rest of the world subdued. Globalism and its pretension to being a greater good is a strong cultish motivator.

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    A biological first strike is totally against nationalist U.S. germ warfare doctrine, because of the obvious threat of direct blowback. This means only rogue Globalist Deep State faction would be motivated enough to try, as they have no loyalty to the U.S.. Neither China or the U.S. have rational motivation to destroy their economies, society, or global supply chains.

    However, by Mackinderan geography-is-destiny geopolitical thinking, Europe was doomed to fall behind the natural world economic giants of the U.S. and China. So Europe long conceded the futility of maintaining hard power global hegemony on their own, despite talks of a European Army every time U.S. commitment to NATO falters.

    Taking down the Mackinderan giants and coming up the middle from within their frenemies and enemies is the only strategy Euro supremacists have left. To maintain soft power hegemony within Western hegemony, they need to keep everyone down including their own populations, especially as they become increasingly reliant on immigration for their worker/consumer base.

    China’s Deep State is probably as infiltrated as the U.S. Deep State is with Globalists, though the consequences of being caught out by Chinese patriots in government, is probably far worse than in the U.S.. In the U.S. neocon Globalists operate openly and freely so long as a fig-leaf of ‘American interest’ is maintained.

    France, Europe’s last seriously active imperialist power, was instrumental in helping China establish their BSL-4 lab in Wuhan. The U.S. and Australia provided training and more funding. The particular Wuhan bat virus may have been discovered in China as early as 2004. SARS Cov-2 disease progression may be well understood from studies never to be published.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1300904/macron-news-france-ties-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-pandemic-spt

    Virus harvesting and ‘Gain of function’ research on them is openly carried out in the name of identifying pandemic threats. Incredibly, many people fundamentally can’t see how irrational that pretext is.

    Deliberately infecting animals who would almost never meet, to viruses they would almost never encounter, to see if what’s incubated could then jump to infect humans, is openly germ warfare research, not pandemic prevention.

    https://e360.yale.edu/features/before-the-next-pandemic-an-ambitious-push-to-catalog-viruses-in-wildlife

    Any virus pathogen so changed and mutated could not be immediately identifiable as a lab creation from a natural mutation. Gain of function techniques mimic natural processes of change and mutation. Infecting diverse animals in a lab, duplicates reliably and deliberately what nature does by one-in-a-million chance.

    This isn’t over. If COVID-1984 isn’t put down so hard as to never rise again, Globalists will only try harder later with a worse disease. If COVID-1984 succeeds, they’ll definitely try again with a worse disease because it worked so well this time around. COVID must be a wildly intoxicating hit of shadenfreude for sociopaths on-board with it at all levels of society.

    This is Fifth Generation warfare, soft power war, where civilians become both the agents and targets of war over the conventional military.

  108. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    It is Schwab et al who are promoting their own ideas and agendas. These are not promoted as their “theories,” but rather these agendas rest on premises (perhaps their own theories) concerning population control, AI, and other ideas. it is reasonable to infer that some of their own theories underpin their agendas.

    Here’s a question for you. If Schwab/Gates/WEF were actually involved in launching a gigantic biowarfare attack against China, America, Russia, and most of the rest of the world, does it really make sense that they would have gone around giving speeches and making public presentations that you and others would interpret as an obvious admission of guilt? Don’t you think that Putin or the Chinese might get really ticked off at them?

    In James Bond movies, the evil villain often reveals his diabolical plot, but only does so in private after he has Bond tied up in chains. Why exactly would your villains publicly say what they said when they did?

    Lots of international organizations and prominent individuals have been warning of a potentially devastating international plague for decades. Many books have been written about the topic, and every now and then these warnings have gotten into my morning NYT/WSJ. The media gave lots of attention to Ebola, SARS, and MERS. So this time, the Cassandras happened to be right. Is that so extremely suspicious?

    Under my scenario, the Deep State Neocons organized a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), and simultaneously launched a massive propaganda-offensive, suggesting that the Covid-19 outbreak was due to a *Chinese* lab-leak, perhaps of an illegal bioweapon. Thus, they preemptively shifted the blame to the victim, just as someone might expect they would.

    Under your scenario, Schwab/Gates/etc. went around giving public speeches and bragging about the massive, devastating plague that they were about to inflict upon the entire world. Doesn’t that seem much less likely?

    Indeed, it is probably a toss-up which segment of the public is more microscopic, those who are paying attention to your theory or those who actually have heard and seen the Gates/Schwab spoutings. Obviously, these two microscopic segments probably overlap considerably.

    I just used Microsoft Bing to search for “Agenda 201” and got over 97,000 results. Meanwhile, I think I’m just about the only person on the Internet over the last year who has been making those particular factual arguments clearly pointing to a biowarfare attack on China (and Iran). And since we were quickly banned by Facebook and Google, relatively few other people have discovered them, even including some very exhaustive Covid-19 researchers whom I have contacted.

    So I wouldn’t be surprised if the various versions of the ridiculous Schwab/Gates theory has reached 1000x as many people as my own analysis.

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  109. @Ron Unz

    1) The most obvious answer to your question is that the initial leak from Ft. Detrick was the least contagious version of the virus. This is consistent with an accidental release. It also fits in with your theory. To conjoin my theory and your theory, all that is necessary is to suppose that after watching COVID circulate and mutate in the US for months, the U.S. isolated the most contagious variant and sent it to the Military Games in Wuhan, timed for LNY travel, placed for multiple levels of plausible deniability.

    The problem with your glib dismissal of my comments is that you are ignoring two crucial pieces of evidence. First, you ignore the fact that some kind of classified biological agent breached Ft Detrick in 2019. Then you ignore the fact that the CDC cannot explain the cause of a novel pneumonia epidemic that began shortly after the closure of Detrick’s bio labs and ended shortly before COVID officially entered America. You ignore my epidemiological comparisons, and the crucial fact that EVALI can no longer even be diagnosed in a patient; any case of EVALI occurring today would necessarily be classified as COVID. Because there is no diagnostic test for EVALI, because COVID tests can return false negatives, because the two diseases are not distinguishable to the naked eye, and because the CDC asks doctors to classify “suspected” COVID as COVID. This also goes back to your question about why there was no spectacular contagion in 2019: the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic, and the symptomatic cases are generally identical to the flu.

    2) Why do you ignore Godfree Roberts? You’re the one who provides him a platform.

    3) If you think COVID is a bio attack against China, doesn’t that mean the virus came from Fort Detrick? If you are comfortable with that provenance, doesn’t Occam demand that you consider the 2019 lab leak to be the source of the virus? Instead, a couple of posts ago, you insinuated that the Detrick leak itself was a conspiracy theory! No, it’s a fact, and the truth about the incident is classified.

    In conclusion, something leaked out of Ft. Detrick, soon after which something caused an epidemic of COVID like pneumonia in the U.S., but the CDC cannot or will not explain what either of those somethings were! They recalled their people from China in September 2019, as the Fed turned on repo stateside. Then followed Event 201, another incident that you ignore, despite the fact that the end of Event 201 dovetailed neatly with the beginning of the Military Games.

  110. @SZ

    If aliens preference Israel and the USA then they must be evil beings, and we’re in the deep doo-doo. I rather think that all this ‘alien’ talk recently is a psy-op to prepare the plebs for an ‘alien attack 9/11’, to further entrench global kakistocracy.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. @Brockland A.T.

    I rather think this a straight forward bio-warfare attack, by the USA, the greatest exponent of biological war in history, to exterminate the Chinese, or so greatly weaken them that it will take centuries to recover. The monsters who run the US are psychopathic racists, and their detestation of the Chinese is undisguised, when you see the body language of the Pompeos, Navarros, and the FoxNews vermin. I expect that Fort Detrick etc have many ‘variant’ ready to go, the fruit of serial passaging of the virus in human tissues in vitro. The ‘killer app’ will be an exterminating variety, targeting, as best they can, the Chinese, specifically. You must consider that the ghouls who rule the West will NEVER allow ‘mere Asiatics’ to rise to global power. Not ever.

    • Replies: @Brockland A.T.
  112. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “So I wouldn’t be surprised if the various versions of the ridiculous Schwab/Gates theory ”

    which per Ron Unz is:

    ” If Schwab/Gates/WEF were actually involved in launching a gigantic biowarfare attack against China, America, Russia, and most of the rest of the world,”

    Where does this come from? Not from me.

    So, there you go again.

    I didn’t say this. I didn’t even suggest it or come close to it. I have no idea what “the ridiculous Schwab/Gates theory” refers to. You tell me.

    They themselves do not say this. I guess you have not watched any of the Schwab videos, nor any of the Gates interviews where he expounds on his visions and prognoses, nor availed yourself of information on the pandemic simulations and their planners and participants.

    Your avoidance of a simple and sincerely posed question is starting to look quite odd.
    I guess it is because you don’t know what these people have been saying.

    For you the whole terrain consists of a zero-sum game between your conspiracy theory and every other element of the big picture, which you are able to see only in terms of hanging conspiracy theories around others’ necks.

    You are really too heavily invested in your theory.

    You don’t see anything else out there.

    Your responses are not rational and don’t give evidence of basic reading comprehension.

    When I first posed my question it was not in any way a criticism of your theory. But for some reason you felt threatened and use derision to counterattack—the oddness of this was noticed also by others. Why the defensiveness and continual strawman arguments? In the end they undermine the plausibility of your theory because the thinking behind it seems so cranky.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  113. @Ever Becoming

    Apparently there is also a seasonality effect in the spread of the virus:

    The role of seasonality in the spread of COVID-19 pandemic

    Xiaoyue Liu 1, Jianping Huang 2, Changyu Li 1, Yingjie Zhao 3, Danfeng Wang 3, Zhongwei Huang 4, Kehu Yang 5

    Abstract
    It has been reported that the transmission of COVID-19 can be influenced by the variation of environmental factors due to the seasonal cycle. However, its underlying mechanism in the current and onward transmission pattern remains unclear owing to the limited data and difficulties in separating the impacts of social distancing. Understanding the role of seasonality in the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic is imperative in formulating public health interventions. Here, the seasonal signals of the COVID-19 time series are extracted using the EEMD method, and a modified Susceptible, Exposed, Infectious, Recovered (SEIR) model incorporated with seasonal factors is introduced to quantify its impact on the current COVID-19 pandemic. Seasonal signals decomposed via the EEMD method indicate that infectivity and mortality of SARS-CoV-2 are both higher in colder climates. The quantitative simulation shows that the cold season in the Southern Hemisphere countries caused a 59.71 ± 8.72% increase of the total infections, while the warm season in the Northern Hemisphere countries contributed to a 46.38 ± 29.10% reduction. COVID-19 seasonality is more pronounced at higher latitudes, where larger seasonal amplitudes of environmental indicators are observed. Seasonality alone is not sufficient to curb the virus transmission to an extent that intervention measures are no longer needed, but health care capacity should be scaled up in preparation for new surges in COVID-19 cases in the upcoming cold season. Our study highlights the necessity of considering seasonal factors when formulating intervention strategies.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33610582/

  114. Ron Unz says:
    @Ever Becoming

    First, you ignore the fact that some kind of classified biological agent breached Ft Detrick in 2019.

    No. There’s absolutely ZERO evidence of a Wuhan lab-leak in late 2019 and also ZERO evidence of a Ft. Detrick lab-leak that same year. The same vague and circumstantial claims are made in each case, whether by anti-China propagandists or pro-China propagandists.

    The most obvious answer to your question is that the initial leak from Ft. Detrick was the least contagious version of the virus.

    There’s no evidence of a Ft. Detrick lab-leak, and you also go on to say that if anything did leak out of Dr. Detrick, it most certainly didn’t behave like Covid-19. Since it also didn’t have the Covid-19 genetic fingerprint, it obviously wasn’t Covid-19. You’re just building wild, unsubstantiated fantasies out of almost nothing, exactly like all the anti-China activists on ZeroHedge have been doing.

    Anything’s possible. Maybe your complex theory is correct. Maybe the Reptilians from Venus are responsible for all of this. But I think that only conspiracy-cranks would take any of this seriously without reasonable evidence.

    If you think COVID is a bio attack against China, doesn’t that mean the virus came from Fort Detrick?

    America has many, many biolabs all around the world. Maybe Covid-19 came from Ft. Detrick or maybe it came from one of the others. I don’t know and I don’t care.

    2) Why do you ignore Godfree Roberts? You’re the one who provides him a platform.

    As for Godfree Roberts, he’s just an incompetent pro-China propagandist. Since the English-language Internet is overflowing with anti-China propagandists, I don’t begrudge providing him an occasional platform.

    But you may have noticed that he’s completely changed his position. For about a year, he’d been claiming that Covid-19 came from America, but now that India has bad relations with China, he’s decided that that Covid-19 originally came from India years ago. If India becomes friendly again with China, he’ll probably pick some other country to blame.

    That Cass Sunstein fellow was certainly correct about how easy it is to get conspiracy-people to wander off in all sorts of strange directions…

    • Agree: Wade
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    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  115. utu says:
    @Rahan

    I wrote before about the three tiers of narrative in the context of Iraq war:

    The narratives come in three tiers: (1) True cause, (2) Justification for insiders and the curious and (3) Rationalizations for the masses.

    The tier (3) is for the masses like for example that 2003 Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and bringing democracy to the Middle East.

    The tier (2) is for some insiders who need rational reasons and for the curious who do not believe media. In case of the war with Iraq the tier (2) narrative would be about oil and Saddam Hussain switching to euros from dollars. This narrative is for business people and higher military and for the curious who usually stop at this level. Various conspiracy sites let the curious get (2) but they also prevent them going to the tier (1).

    And the tier (1) is the true cause that may seem totally irrational, outrageous and abhorrent. In the case of the 2003 Iraq war it was to destroy Iraq and turn it into a non functioning state full of chaos where sectarian and political strife is promoted and can be easily manipulated for ever by supporting always the weaker side. This was a part of the Yinon Plan to destroy all semi-secular Arab states in Israel’s vicinity which were Iraq, Syria and Libya. Israel prefers chaos and weak entities rather than functioning state that has industry, educational system and capable military and well defined leadership that has a political doctrine. One mays say that the tier (1) is hidden and protected by layers of tiers (3) and (2) because it is a pure evil.

    Tier 1 narrative is true evil. Most people won’t believe it and accept it as a possible explanation because they do not have room in their minds for imagining such evil.

    • Thanks: Rahan
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  116. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    I didn’t say this. I didn’t even suggest it or come close to it. I have no idea what “the ridiculous Schwab/Gates theory” refers to. You tell me.

    They themselves do not say this. I guess you have not watched any of the Schwab videos, nor any of the Gates interviews where he expounds on his visions and prognoses, nor availed yourself of information on the pandemic simulations and their planners and participants.

    I almost never watch videos because they’re extremely inefficient sources of information, primarily appealing to credulous people who have lots of extra time on their hands.

    You and others seem to be saying that the various Schwab/Gates video interviews prove that they were somehow directly involved with the Covid-19 epidemic, and I say that’s totally ridiculous. If they had been involved, it’s extremely unlikely that they would revealed that fact in numerous public speeches and interviews.

    You come across as some sort of conspiracy-crank, who’s watched too many James Bond movies in which the villain reveals his diabolical plot in a long, boastful speech. So you seem to assume that the best way to find the culprit behind the Covid-19 outbreak is to hunt around YouTube looking for boastful confessions. I disagree.

    Like I’ve said a couple of times, since those previous viral outbreaks in China began in 2018, it seems pretty plausible that the anti-China plot began around then. So maybe the plotters told the WEF-types and various other elites that our top intelligence analysts had become concerned that the world might face a major viral disease outbreak in the next few years. And that might easily explain why the WEF-types had ramped up their global disease planning and workshops by late 2019.

  117. There’s no evidence of a Ft. Detrick lab-leak

    Hmm, whom shall I believe, Ron Unz or local journalist Heather Mongilio?

    Mongilio says the CDC shut down USAMRIID at Fort Detrick for eight months after discovering “a failure of the Army laboratory to ‘implement and maintain containment procedures sufficient to contain select agents or toxins’ that were made by operations in the biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories”. (https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/fort-detrick-laboratory-restored-to-full-operations-after-being-shut-down-by-cdc/article_fcee204f-1493-52fb-ba9b-f80cb00da727.html)

    In the most informative article from November 19, 2019, Mongilio writes “The Army’s premier biological laboratory on Fort Detrick reported two breaches of containment earlier this year, leading to the Centers for Disease and Control halting its high-level research.” Due to an FOIA filed by her employer, Mongilio also learned “Due to redactions to protect against notification of the release of an agent under the Federal Select Agent Program, it is unclear the result of the two breaches”. (https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-usamriid-research-suspension/article_6d1d316e-4989-5307-924c-8608c25ef6f7.html).

    Let’s put that last sentence in plain English, before the new USAMRIID commander (the previous commander was fired after the “breaches”) fedsplains it away (saying “while there was a breach, there was no exposure”. Mongilio wrote that the report she received from the FOIA was redacted, and the reason it was redacted was to prevent the “notification” (in other words, the news) that a BSL 3/4 “agent” breached containment. Mongilio also notes, “shortly after [the CDC inspection], USAMRIID’s registration with the Federal Select Agent Program, which regulates select agents and toxins, such as Ebola or the bacteria causing the plague, was suspended”.

    The facts are plain enough. Some select agent or toxin breached containment at USAMRIID’s BSL 3/4 facilities at Fort Detrick, leading the CDC to close the labs and impose an eight month remediation. Probably due to this fact: “One of the concerns was USAMRIID’s effluent waste decontamination system. The laboratory had moved to chemical treatment after its previous system was damaged, according to previous News-Post reporting. It will be going back to a thermal decontamination system.” The identity of the select agent and the results of the breach are redacted in the FOIA request for reasons of national security.

    Let’s conclude this thorough rebuttal of your moronic assertion by considering an editorial published in the same Maryland newspaper on August 19, 2019:

    It took several weeks before details about the shutdown were released to the public and, even then, those details came out only after Detrick representatives were pressed by a Frederick News-Post reporter who had received an anonymous tip about what was going on.

    Fort Detrick officials had told the local health department and some Frederick County leaders, who, in fairness to them, expected the Army post to communicate with the public. But the word never filtered out.

    It’s just not smart for Fort Detrick to drag its feet in letting people know. It’s bad enough that some in the community are nervous about it because it tests some of the deadliest pathogens on the planet. You’d think that officials there would want to get out in front of the story, particularly in a case where the public was never at risk.

    https://www.fredericknewspost.com/opinion/editorial/fort-detrick-needs-to-rebuild-trust-with-frederick-community/article_703a0cbb-bdfa-560b-9180-28cc56b1eb95.html

    Is this really the hill you want to die on?

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  118. Mark Hunter says: • Website

    One way to get around the interdiction on Twitter and Facebook is to use a search link. You can usually find a phrase that when searched on will make the article you want number 1. For example, to sort of link to the article above use:
    bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=%22Breaking+the+Silence+on+the+Origins+of+Covid-19%22

  119. @Harold Smith

    “…he would’ve pressured the FDA to approve an emergency use authorization for use of the drug in non-hospitalized patients…”

    In the US, prior to the covid crime against humanity, it was fully legal for doctors to use any approved drug “off label”, i.e. for treatment of conditions for which it was not first approved. There was therefore no need for ” emergency use authorization”. EUA was needed only for untested “vaccines” and could be granted only if there was no treatment available for the ‘illness’ i.e. covid. That is why it was essential deny the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin.

    The criminals running the covid fraud are forcing the “vaccine” on people for whom it is utterly crazy to be vaccinated. Nobody under 70 died on the diamond Princess.

    • Agree: Nancy
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  120. Ron Unz says:
    @Ever Becoming

    Hmm, whom shall I believe, Ron Unz or local journalist Heather Mongilio?

    Of course I’m aware of those facts, which have been floating around the Internet for the last year or more. And here are a few paragraphs from those articles you’ve linked:

    In July, the CDC issued a cease and desist order for work in biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories, where researchers handle dangerous pathogens like Ebola and the bacteria causing the plague. The order came after the CDC noted lapses in biosafety protocols during a site visit.

    The two breaches reported by USAMRIID to the CDC demonstrated a failure of the Army laboratory to “implement and maintain containment procedures sufficient to contain select agents or toxins” that were made by operations in the biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories, according to a report obtained last year by The Frederick News-Post.

    The inspection findings also found that USAMRIID did not have a complete, accurate inventory of its select agents. That has been resolved, Cox said.

    There were also cracks in the paint that were fixed, he said.

    Breach is a “loaded word,” said Col. E. Darrin Cox, commander of USAMRIID. While there was a breach, there was no exposure, he said. No one was exposed to any of the agents or toxins.

    According to those articles, some CDC inspectors on a site visit decided the existing safety standards were inadequate and shut down one of the Ft. Detrick labs until they were improved. There’s no evidence of an actual lab-leak, let alone of a particular virus like Covid-19. Ft. Detrick probably works with hundreds of different dangerous bacteria, viruses, and other biotoxins.

    Maybe the articles are lying. Maybe there was a lab-leak. But those articles don’t provide any real evidence of that, except to conspiracy-cranks or pro-China propagandists. It’s exactly the same sort of “evidence” that anti-China propagandists use to prove that there was a lab-leak in Wuhan.

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  121. @Ron Unz

    Do you not understand the meanings of the words “breach” and “containment”? Do you not understand that we know little about the nature of this breach because the details have been redacted by the federal government? Do you not understand that the quoted redaction rationale tacitly admits that a Federal Select Agent was “released”? Do you not understand that there was a failure of the waste decontamination system, meaning some BSL 3/4 waste was not properly sterilized? You can argue that the leak was a nothingburger, but you can’t argue that there was no leak. That’s absurd.

    • Agree: gay troll
  122. @Mustapha Mond

    Putin won’t betray China, but nobody lives forever. I just saw an excellent CGTN video where a Chinese spokesman honestly outlines Jewish control of the USA. They are calling their enemies out, which is a good sign. Cue the hissing, screeching, denunciations of ‘antisemitism’ but China will win more friends and admirers through its honesty and forthrightness.

  123. @MEH 0910

    So these dullards believe fake ‘studies’ provided by the CIA that paint the Chinese as sloppy idiots. That makes them buffoons, ‘useful idiots’ or propaganda liars. It pays to a central Sinophobic racist canard that the Chinese are dumb, copy-cats and intellectual thieves.

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  124. @Brás Cubas

    You have to be Jewish to represent any Western fakestream media operation in Israel. Having children serving in the Israeli Death Force is even better.

  125. @Kevin Barrett

    With how quickly they took action to bury this website after just one article on covid, it got real really fast.

  126. Jimmy Dore agrees and presented evidence of this conspiracy. More surprising, YouTube allowed this dissent.

  127. @Brockland A.T.

    It is not a plan or anything. A hell of a lot of the Chinese people already quarantined themselves before the govt announced the official quarantine. For the same reasons Asians wear masks during flu season. They are smart enough to save themselves without others to shout in their faces.

    Ron’s theory is very dangerous because if the Chinese public are ever convinced that this was a biowarfare attack, I am 99% sure ww3 would happen. So, both the Chinese and US govt would 1000% want to keep a lid on this theory, unless they want war to happen.

    And nothing stops China from retaliating as they also have offensive programs.

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    , @Brockland A.T.
  128. Erebus says:
    @Ron Unz

    … does it really make sense that they would have gone around giving speeches and making public presentations that you and others would interpret as an obvious admission of guilt?… Why exactly would your villains publicly say what they said when they did?

    The psychology behind the exposure can be a matter of almost infinite discussion, but the fact that they did and continue to do so cannot.

    They’ve certainly spent some time and effort discussing these matters more or less clandestinely for at least a century, and have now gone extravagantly public with these musings. As men who’ve become amongst the richest, most powerful, and doubtless the most serious in the world, one would be hard pressed to argue that they’ve been talking like this on a whim, as if they were indulging themselves collectively in some sort of schoolboy prank.

    Yet, we hear you arguing exactly that when you call the “Schwab/Gates theory” “ridiculous”. My rejoinder to that is, what would reduce the ridiculousness of the theory? Would a real world rollout of the consequences of that sort of thinking reduce it?

    I’d submit that it does. What do we see going on around us? Hint: Exactly what they’ve been talking about for a century.

    If its match to empirical fact is any indication of a theory’s worth, this one is a far cry from “ridiculous”.

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  129. Blade says:
    @Ron Unz

    Did you get vaccinated Ron? While on it, I am just curious I have been for a while. Even though you are Jewish yourself why are you running a site where Jewish influence/culture gets criticized? Do you agree with, say Dr. Giraldi or Israel Shamir’s criticism of Jews? Or is it just because of support for free speech?

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  130. Sean says:
    @Yee

    Dick Ho: Asian Male Porn Star (2006) – IMDbhttps://www.imdb.com › title
    … as there are practically no Asian male porn stars in the history of American adult cinema. A controversial mystery akin to Bigfoot and alien abduction

    Not.

    Pangolin is for breaking lumps in the body. It’s usually used for women with lactation problem after child birth. It can also used for pain in the joints.

    Yes if caught with Pangolin potions Chinese men have plausible deniability. Unlike us Western obsessives.

  131. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Straight forward biowarfare means straight forward 4G warfare weapons delivery; this was not done. We really can’t know for certain who done what; this is the nature of indirect 5G warfare. Unlike a colour revolution, biological warfare still isn’t something to drop overt hints to brag about. Yet.

    All we know is China got hit, America looks very guilty and has the best capability, but as far as geopolitik goes, only Euro Globalists have both overwhelming motive and capability. NATO nations were at the Wuhan Military Games, though using American agents alone is far safer.

    Also, Spanish researchers found coronavirus traces as early as March, 2019. What’s been done with that research seems to be unclear. Looks like it was quietly dropped.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-spain-had-covid-19-in-march-2019-scientists-claim-after-waste-water-test-12015612

    There were initially two dominant variants, an Asian one and a European one. The European variant appeared and became dominant in the U.S. and Europe, very quickly. Possibly too quickly to have been a natural change of the Asian variant entering then adapting to predominantly caucasian hosts.

    The monsters who run the U.S. are European Judeo-Christian supremacists; they can tolerate other races including Asiatics as long as they conform. Race is useful, but not critical to identity or survival.

    The ‘Judeo’ Ashkenazi/Khazar component is far less attached to racial identity than the Christian component presently is. All that matters to them for identity is absolute devotion to matrilineal lineage from Abraham. Race is irrelevant to such an identity paradigm, and racism, a useful tool but obviously not paramount to group survival.

    Now, there’s a Jewish Oblast in East Russia. Eventually more ambitious Israelist elements will try and cash in on that, as Asia rises. Israel is selling itself in Asia as a leading ‘Asian’ nation as opposed to a Western one. There was talk in Russia of dissolving the Jewish Oblast, a relic of Soviet Far East imperialism, but that went away quick, so that must figure into the Asian Century.

    The ghouls are still out to get Russia; the developing narrative is being shifted, from that of a Russian-inclusive Eurasian Century to simply the Asian Century.

    SARS Cov-2 is easily beaten with activated vitamin D and ivermectin. Chinese are more at a disadvantage than whites in naturally producing vitamin D from sunshine, but not race-fatally so.

    There was and is no reason for people to suffer and die they way they are now. The prevention and treatments were always there in plain sight. All masking and lockdowns accomplished was to flatten/extend the curve indefinitely, with predictable seasonal spikes, larger reservoirs of infection over the sunny season, and more opportunities for variants to arise. However, really losing control is always a possibility the longer this goes on. Only a well-tuned natural immune system stands a chance if that happens.

    Once the Chinese figured out COVID-19 wasn’t biowarfare Doomsday, they appeared to beat it soundly, as did Russia. Panic seems exclusive to the West and her satellites.

    Oddly enough, though, everyone in an official position, even in Russia and China, seems to be walking on eggshells around nutritional prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

    The Irish government trotted out a new vitamin D policy that mentions COVID in more than passing, though.

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/33/joint_committee_on_health/reports/2021/2021-04-07_report-on-addressing-vitamin-d-deficiency-as-a-public-health-measure-in-ireland_en.pdf

    Kind of makes sense. The insiderist elites are not yet ready to unleash something that could actually threaten them personally. Even that Fauci guy did the tease-and-go thing, dropping that he supped 6000 IU of D3 daily at one point, then burying that forever in mask and lockdown rhetoric as if those measures were the only real defense.

  132. @Ron Unz

    One must take the word of the world’s most perfidious regime, by which I don’t mean the PRC, in order to believe that Covid-19 is “*extremely* contagious”. In fact, one must take the word of that regime—which has repeatedly engaged in campaigns of deception in order justify acts of military aggression and brazenly lies to its citizenry about every nontrivial issue—to believe that Covid-19 exists as a pathogen distinct from other coronaviruses. One must ignore the fact the Covid-19 PCR test is notoriously unreliable in order to believe tens of millions of people worldwide have been contaminated with Covid-19. Finally, in order to believe that millions worldwide have died from Covid-19 one must ignore the fact that nearly all deaths from influenza, pneumonia, emphysema, etc. as well as many from heart disease, cancer, and other causes have been reassigned to said virus once the “pandemic” began. Let’s recall that last November, Johns Hopkins University, as establishment an institution as there is, published (and shortly after pulled out) an article that states in the most explicit terms that US death rates have not risen as a consequence of the “pandemic”:

    https://dailystormer.su/john-hopkins-pulls-article-admitting-that-coronavirus-has-not-raised-total-us-death-toll/

    For the purpose of creating a pandemic of hysteria and engender the defeat of Donald Trump and advance other goals of the global elite, an actual deadly virus was not necessary when all the “Western” government and mainstream media are controlled by the global elite, and the fact of the matter is that a strong preponderance of the evidence shows that no such virus exists.

  133. Gizmo880 says:

    “Under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was very likely a rogue operation unauthorized by President Donald Trump, but probably orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons whom he had placed in charge of our national security policy,…”

    Maybe true, but if so the orders to do so would have almost certainly come from Israel. Israel owns both parties in this country, but especially the Neocon faction of the GOP. There isn’t a chance in hell something like this would have been done without their approval and urging.

    Your often stated assertion that Iran seemed to be particularly targeted points the finger even more at Israel. The average American doesn’t give a damn about Iran, they are not a threat in the least to this country. It is the Zionists wet dream, however, to see Iran destroyed like so many other ME countries have been destroyed for their benefit.

    • Agree: Iris
  134. @acementhead

    “…he would’ve pressured the FDA to approve an emergency use authorization for use of the drug in non-hospitalized patients…”

    In the US, prior to the covid crime against humanity, it was fully legal for doctors to use any approved drug “off label”, i.e. for treatment of conditions for which it was not first approved. There was therefore no need for ” emergency use authorization”.

    I didn’t say it wasn’t generally legal to prescribe hydroxychloroquine off-label nor did I mean to imply that there was necessarily a need for an EUA. But the fact is that there was an EUA for it (which was later revoked). According to the narrative:

    [MORE]

    This EUA is for the unapproved use of hydroxychloroquine sulfate supplied from the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to treat adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/136537/download

    Apparently the object was to make hydroxychloroquine available from the Strategic National Stockpile because it might not be available due to hoarding and because some state governments were trying to put restrictions on prescriptions for it, and because India implemented an export ban on it.

    https://www.pharmamanufacturing.com/industrynews/2020/india-bans-export-of-hydroxychloroquine/

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sean-hannity-gov-cuomo-stop-denying-new-yorkers-hydroxychloroquine

    The point I was trying to make to Thomasina was that if Trump was serious about promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine from the stockpile to treat Covid-19 patients, he would’ve pushed the FDA to lift the restriction that the patient had to be hospitalized to get it.

    Why? Because the whole point of having high-risk patients take the drug is to have them take it EARLY ENOUGH to avoid deteriorating to the point where they would need to go to the hospital in the first place.

    Because AFAIK Trump never did this, I have to conclude that he was not sincere but just posturing about hydroxychloroquine, just like he was not sincere about anything else.

  135. ” the very real evidence that the illegal actions of his underlings have now killed far more Americans than had died in all our foreign wars combined, while severely damaging our society.”

    What is the the “real evidence” that this virus was produced and introduced into the environment by Americans?

    This is not the first virus which emanated from Red China; another American conspiracy?

    And does Mr Unz believe the statistical actuary of deaths from the CDC? If so, his entire hypothesis of the Chicom Virus is faulty. Furthermore, to suggest American moral and ethos are lower than there counterpart in Red China is a serious failure in judgement.

    Nothing is beyond Maoists, in the conquest for world domination.

  136. Trump was White, he represented real Americans, and was gaining support from every class and race in society. That was to much for them to handle. After four years of Russia Russia Russia and impeachment hearings, they needed a final solution to his takedown. A global plandemic and election fraud became the ultimate tool to drive Trump out of office.
    Then January 6th arrived and they had their perfect narrative to drive a stake through the heart of the republic by declaring white Supremacists as domestic terrorists, and now we know why they murdered Ashley Babbitt and refuse to identify the Capitol Police assassin.
    Why, because he was a black anti white, AA diversity immigrant and BLM advocate.
    We also know why they promote CTR, to undermine whites from K-12 to military members by making them believe they are the reasons America is a racist country founded on a racist constitution written by former slave owners.
    And it gets even better, but you all know the truth, so there’s that.
    Thanks for reading my grammatical error rant, and thank you Ron Unz for having the best uncensored truth exposing site on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  137. J says:

    COVID was/is a reminder that the USA possesses capabilities to harm its enemies and the will to use them. The Iranian elite was decimated and the Chinese were much frightened.

  138. @Ever Becoming

    As a SARS (Covid 1) survivor from early 2019, I can say from almost dying from this virus that it was a precursor to C19. They knew they had a virus that with a little gain of function added, would reck havoc upon the world.
    And the rest is history, if truth is ever told.

  139. @rgl

    Fauxi should be waterboarded, in the name of earthly living species, for the sake of life, without any delay.

    • Replies: @Abdul Alhazred
  140. Levtraro says:

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself.

    You are making one critical assumption here. That officials in the Chinese government didn’t know about the outbreak at the time of the DIA insight. Perhaps the Chinese are just lying and they knew of the outbreak before DIA knew? Then an American spy inside the Chinese government got info about the outbreak and passed it to the DIA? Commenter Cranberries pointed out to this less conspiratorial explanation for the timing of the DIA report in the thread of comments after your previous article on the same topic. I think you should deal with this alternative explanation for the timing of DIA report. It implies that the virus is not a biowarfare attack, it could be a natural zoonotic jump or a Chinese lab-leak.

    However, two other elements favour your theory of a USA biowarfare attack. 1) That the USA team of sports fared poorly in Wuhan’s military olimpycs competitions, and most importantly, 2) the spread of the virus over Iranian hierarchy early in the pandemics.

    • Replies: @naill
  141. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    No hint of my existence or writings may be found in either…

    Naturally, Mr. Unz, that is because, as a refusenik to the Tribe, and an extraordinarily highly intelligent one as well, you are to be treated as a non-entity by the same Tribal Leaders, because the LAST thing they want to do is increase your readership.

  142. It’s just the flu, bro.

  143. GMC says:

    Another question is – Why would the big pharma change from a flu virus, season type vaccine, which has been standard operating procedure , to an untested, unapproved gene therapy drug and call it a vaccine? That right there, should have raised a big red flag , within the ” Audience s”. The programming and propaganda from the media, along with the ” US/NWO” government s attack on the truthers, has strong armed most of the World in believing this BS. Not to mention the assassinations that are attached to this Pandemic ops. Ron and Doc Kevin opened up some serious discussions.
    Russia’s former President Medvedev has called for mandatory vaccinations – why? Does/will Sputnik V help guard against the next round of the OWO viruses, { Ukrainian and Tbilsi, BWLabs} or is he speaking for the manufactures of Russian vaccines ? Although I like Medvedev, he is seems to be a bit too much NWO for me. Spacibo Unz Rev.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  144. Communist China attacked America.

    With a highly sophisticated biological WMD.

    In response to “Trump’s tariff war” but really…

    In a coordinated effort to affect US regime change.

  145. Trump was absolutely clueless about the size and scope of The Enemy, so much so the idiot hired Trump haters.

    Another reason you don’t want him back.

  146. nsa says:
    @Ron Unz

    “As for Godfree Roberts, he’s just an incompetent pro-China propagandist”
    Lon, yu velly velly bad pelson insult Godflee no leason yu plick. Godflee tell tluth Middle Kingdom velly gleat make all clap in walmalt not have tellible gay plide palade not fly stupid lainbow flag not have velly velly bad poln not have hollible heblew palasites lun evelything like not gleat Amelica. Godflee velly gleat velly smalt. Yu, Lon, need long time reeducation camp so wlite tluth have lots social cledit.

    • LOL: Marckus
    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @naill
  147. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As the worms get out of the can, an extraterrestrial alien attack becomes inevitable.

  148. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    With all due respect to the host of this website, it seems that new revelations have put your theory back on the self. Master Fauci funded “gain of function” “research” at the Wuhan lab, using Federal dollars. He has pretty much admitted it, since other disclosures have exposed him. As such, he became a one-man panic attack, trying to force the universe into straightjackets so that his unwise funding inclinations might cause less harm.

    Since the Fauci Flu turned out to be less infectious and injurious than previous outbreaks of a novel virus, governments across the globe used the panic to create their own “gain of function” swamp creations.

    It’s served so many of Satan’s evil purposes, one wonders if we’re not at the end of something.

  149. Emslander says:

    The other problem with Mr. Unz’s vast writings on this subject is his implication that “neocons” were the instigators. If “neocons” are anything, they’re open about their warmongering.

    The “neocons” were a generally conservative group of Jewish Republicans who were mostly interested in the “final solution” in the Mideast that would give Israel perpetual security.

    I don’t recognize Mr. Unz’s “neocons”.

    • LOL: Iris
    • Replies: @Fred777
    , @naill
  150. G J T says:

    Every article about the “origins” of “covid 19” is a diversion and just serves to further entrench the lie that “covid 19” exists. The origins of “covid 19” are the deranged imagination of a handful of sociopaths who believe they can somehow be gods on Earth, and will do absolutely anything to achieve that insane goal.

    This discussion of the “origins” of it also creates a finklethink-type paradigm that throws fuel on the fire for all the retards of various Jewish political persuasions. It’s theater for the goyim.

    Covid-19 doesn’t exist, but the effects of its deadly gene therapy shot certainly do.

  151. Gardener says:

    Hi
    Thanks for your work.

    I should say that the number of dead is grossly overinflated, as more and more people realise. See Mr Reiner Fuellmich among many others.

    [MORE]

    The reason of all this may be in the following very sensible article :

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/

    As for Iran, maybe you could read this :

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html

  152. @Anon62

    which state, other than the United States, has exhibited extreme animosity toward Iran?

    Curiously, that particular state closed all its embassies throughout the world on Oct. 30, 2019, on the pretext/excuse of a labor disruption. This was the first time since the establishment of the state in 1948 that its embassies throughout the world were shut down all at once.
    https://geopolitics.co/2014/03/24/flight-370-global-shutdown-of-israel-embassies/

    To me the labor disruption seems more like a pretext than an excuse. The timing, on the other hand, suggests foreknowledge of something important. Rather like five Mossad agents standing on top of a New Jersey building waiting to see how the twin towers would go down.

    Oh shoot. There I go again. Presupposing I know the answer to your question.

  153. Skeptikal says:
    @utu

    Thanks for explicating this approach.

    I guess I am in the (2) category. I never ever, from the get-go throughout the summer of 2002 believed the tier (1) story, but the tier (2) story seemed very credible at the time—particularly as I was working on an ms. by Immanuel Wallerstein, and this was his view. (Although he integrated it into his much broader view of the trajectory of the “world-system.” According to this overarching view, put most simply, the 500 years of Western capitalist domination of the world-system was coming to an end.)

    Since that time I have become more and more open (educated?) to the tier (3) view.

    This three-tier approach seems to be very useful for trying to grasp the many moving parts and subplots of “Covid-19, A Play in TK Acts.”

    How would you apply your three-tier analysis to it? I thought that you would wrap up your comment with such an analysis, but the post ended without it.

    • Replies: @utu
  154. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    There may be some kind of CIA involvement, but I find it easier to believe that blundering espionage operations against China’s only high level virology lab rather than a deliberate bioweapon attack is where Covid-19 came from. I always have an agent-principal problem envisioning the top people getting their orders to do stuff like false flags and clandestine bioweapon attacks actually obeyed. The CIA is not like the mafia where an oath must be sworn of willingness to murder to join. A group of Jewish insider of thee Deep State (Neocons) willing to issue such commands would not entail the existence of a multiple lower level of technical experts and field operatives willing to stick their neck out like a giraffe by actually trying to carry out the directives emanating from a cabal whose existence the operator could not really verify if the covert group was compartmentalized as I think it would have to be. There would have to be a cell structure so the low level people could not name the leaders of it wouldn’t last five minutes at all this skullduggery.

    There’s no evidence of an actual lab-leak, let alone of a particular virus like Covid-19.

    Well that virus is the only one relevant to this discussion; there may have been a cease and desist order for work in biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories, “where researchers handle dangerous pathogens like Ebola and the bacteria causing the plague” but there is no evidence that anything that could have developed into the Covid-19 virus was ever in that or any other US army lab, let alone escaped from it and caused a outbreak of Covid -19, which would have spread like wildfire. Incidentally wildfire is the code name in a films The Andromeda Strain (based on a Michael Crichton novel) where there is a virus research facility sealed underground and with a thermonuclear autodestruct activated by any breech in containment, which the heroic scientist has to deactivate.

    The very same US government’s Centers for Disease and Control that thought Fort Detrick should not do level 3 and 4 work, was quite happy to give a grant of US taxpayers money so that Shi Zheng-li could come to America and being taught how to do gain-of-function experiments by Baric at the Wuhan Institute of Virology where she gots bat virus was amped up to infect our species; the exceptional potential for a global pandemic humans of this research did not stop it being mostly done under only BSL2-level safety conditions. In China. With a grant from America’s health authorities.

    That the Wuhan Institute of Virology deliberately creating something with things in common with the Covid -19 virus (SARS-2) is the undisputed truth fact. As is that much of the gain of function research on bat viruses (basically making them able to infect humans) research in Wuhan was done at the BSL2 level of lab security. The propinquity of the original Covid -19 outbreak to where Shi Zheng-li was working inasmuch they are in the same city and not on opposite sides of it either, is quite good circumstantial evidence of a direct connection. Does not prove it is true though, and the previous coronavirus pandemics arising in China in 2002 (SARS) and the Middle East in 2012 (MERS) weighs against any lab origin, and the pangolin-origin spike protein detected in the virus may have played the part the civet one one did in 2002. But although the theories are inconclusive and even the Chinese who know more than anyone are perhaps unsure themselves, whether the Covid -19 virus is from the Wuhan research or not, it is now clear that the Chinese Bat lady from Wuhan ought never to have been permitted to learn from Ralph S. Baric how to create a new virus tuned to infecting humans. Qualified people were expressing that opinion years ago.

    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
    Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.

    Declan Butler
    12 November 2015
    An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks. […] Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says. […] “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” agrees Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey.

    Not hindsight at all. But they have a dog in the fight so let us see if anyone qualified to give an opinion is convinced.

    Former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Friday that he believes the coronavirus originated and “escaped” from a Wuhan lab in China. “I’m of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathology in Wuhan was from a laboratory. Escaped,” Robert Redfield told CNN. “Other people don’t believe that. That’s fine. Science will eventually figure it out.”

  155. Ron Unz says:
    @Erebus

    They’ve certainly spent some time and effort discussing these matters more or less clandestinely for at least a century, and have now gone extravagantly public with these musings…Yet, we hear you arguing exactly that when you call the “Schwab/Gates theory” “ridiculous”…I’d submit that it does. What do we see going on around us? Hint: Exactly what they’ve been talking about for a century.

    Okay. So you (reasonably) say that various people like Schwab and Gates have been talking about some of these policy proposals for about a century. And now they’re hoping to use the opportunity of the global Covid-19 epidemic to implement them.

    Doesn’t that tend to suggest that they probably had nothing to do with Covid-19? After all, wouldn’t it be strange if they didn’t try to take advantage of this opportunity?

    Suppose the biowarfare attack on China had been successful, and the Chinese economy had been wrecked, but the virus hadn’t much spread elsewhere. And suppose that Vietnam had used that opportunity to grab a substantial fraction of China’s existing factory business. Would that lead you to suspect that Vietnam had been behind the attack?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  156. HT says:

    I think it much more likely that the virus was a bio-attack against the USA and more specifically President Donald Trump for the purpose of unseating him in November 2020. I have little doubt Americans within the government including the military were involved in the planning and distribution. Meanwhile the American Left continues to defend China in all ways possible even labeling the term China Flu as hate speech. The media completely avoids the topic of where the virus originated.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Harold Smith
  157. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Ron’s theory is very dangerous because if the Chinese public are ever convinced that this was a biowarfare attack, I am 99% sure ww3 would happen.

    I tend to doubt that. Here’s a comment I’d left back in mid-March 2020, before almost any Americans had died:

    Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to “teach them a lesson.”

    But the victimized family smells smoke, wakes up, and using heroic effort puts the fire out with only fairly minor damage.

    Meanwhile, the fire spreads back to the teenager’s own house, and since the family is too lazy and incompetent to bother doing anything, the house catches on fire and burns to the ground, killing several relatives and leaving everyone homeless.

    Under such a scenario, wouldn’t it be more sensible for the attacked family to just quietly gloat a little and maybe offer condolences rather than to plot further vengeance?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/arguably-wrong-potential-american-deaths-range-from-5k-to-5-million/#comment-3772963

    Why would the Chinese people or government want to retaliate against America by starting WW3? It was pretty clearly a rogue operation unauthorized by the top American leadership, a perfect example of how totally dysfunctional the American government has become. And according to the recent University of Washington analysis, nearly a million Americans have died while China suffered very few casualties. As that senior Chinese figure recently observed, “China won the biological war.”

    Once our ridiculous stock market bubble collapses, we’ll discover just how totally wrecked our economy has become. And once the Chinese release their Digital Yuan, the American dollar will lose its reserve currency status.

    Some of these things would have happened anyway, but I think future historians will agree that the failed biowarfare attack on China (and Iran) greatly accelerated these trends.

    It would be utterly irrational of China to start a war over Covid-19. And the Chinese seem like very rational people.

    • Agree: acementhead
  158. It was all a hoax. They counted flu as C virus. They counted pneumonia as C virus. They double counted deaths from other causes and THEY ADMIT THAT! And poison vaccines are insane. You do no intentionally poison yourself in HOPES you will recover and be stronger. You may kill yourself, you may permanently injury yourself and there is no proof you are any stronger. The crazy theory of vaccines was debunked over 100 years ago. But Big Pharma counts on gullible citizens not knowing history due to dumbed down schools.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  159. Ron Unz says:
    @HT

    I think it much more likely that the virus was a bio-attack against the USA and more specifically President Donald Trump for the purpose of unseating him in November 2020.

    I’m pretty skeptical. Still, after he left the administration Bolton did write that book denouncing and attacking Trump. So if he had been one of the key plotters behind the biowarfare attack, maybe he deliberately sabotaged Trump’s response once the virus reached America in order to ensure Trump’s defeat.

  160. saggy says:

    Under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was very likely a rogue operation unauthorized by President Donald Trump, but probably orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons

    This is just BS, pure and simple.

  161. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    You should try your three-tier recipe to explain the cultural war against the West and the shaping of a global NWO. Geopolitics are enriched by moral analysis. Which groups, if any, are contending for control?

  162. MLK says:
    @Ron Unz

    Personally, I’m quite skeptical, and I think the simplest explanation is preferable

    None of the usual tools — including Occam’s Razor — will help. Grand conspiracies aren’t puzzles that can be solved.

    As I noted at the time, initially every country acted in character, if you will. Depending on your biases, “Ah,” you say, “they would do that, wouldn’t they!”

    It took me a long time but eventually I came to the conclusion that the devil isn’t in the details when it comes to high level conspiracies because they are phenomena in motion. Eventually we get a resolve, which isn’t the truth, and is best thought of as getting the relevant powers that be where they need to go.

    Consider Pan Am 103 (Lockerbie). The contours are middle schooler obvious. Iran pays back the US for the shoot down of Iran Air 655 by the USS Vincennes. Then both the USG and Iran conspire to make Libya the dirty dog. What I call the resolve.

    Utz was at his best on Vietnam War POW/MIA coverup. Though we see that no one seems to care. Ineluctable proof of a conspiracy with, importantly, no meaningful refutation, is met with Hillary’s “What difference does it make?”

    It’s a fool’s errand to try to figure out the origin of the Covid. Nothing is lost in concluding as a placeholder that the anti-Trump alignment, foreign and domestic, formed in 2016, finally got “lucky,” after failing in all their plots to get rid of him; including the Soleimani op to seize American hostages in a pitch perfect replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection. They even reprised Nightline’s chyrons, this time for the Covid and 24/7.

    I can’t be the only one to have noticed that the Covid psyop/bioweapon played out through the stolen election and installing “Biden” without any meaningful movement on Covid’s origin. Nor still as the factional struggle isn’t over. The Immoveable Object (the foreign and domestic anti-Trump alignment is still contending with the Unstoppable Force (Trump, who didn’t concede, and MAGA).

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  163. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “You and others seem to be saying that the various Schwab/Gates video interviews prove that they were somehow directly involved with the Covid-19 epidemic, and I say that’s totally ridiculous.”

    Er, no I very explicitly did not say that.
    I don’t even “seem” to be saying that. In fact, I said pretty much the opposite.

    “directly”??
    “seem”??

    Actually, I asked for your take on the meaning of Schwab’s idea of *taking advantage of* the covid pandemic.

    “You come across as some sort of conspiracy-crank, who’s watched too many James Bond movies in which the villain reveals his diabolical plot in a long, boastful speech. . . . So you seem to assume that the best way to find the culprit behind the Covid-19 outbreak is to hunt around YouTube looking for boastful confessions.”

    “James Bond movies”—I wonder who watches these (:-))??
    Not me.

    Another gratuitous, quite childish, insult.

    ” So maybe the plotters told the WEF-types and various other elites that our top intelligence analysts had become concerned that the world might face a major viral disease outbreak in the next few years. And that might easily explain why the WEF-types had ramped up their global disease planning and workshops by late 2019. ”

    “maybe . . . might . . . might . . . “—and I come across as a conspiracy-crank?

    Done with this.
    Thanks for the responses.
    I do now thoroughly understand your p.o.v. on the irrelevance of powerful global players.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  164. Marckus says:
    @nsa

    Everyone on this site knows that Godfree is a Chinese sock puppet ventriloquist. The real joke though is that this village idiot lives in Thailand……..but he loves China and bad mouths the US.

    This misguided and confused fellow and his following of CCP flunkies (Jumbobrain, Yee, Dan D etc) are not only brain damaged but brain dead and their comments reflect this. From them we have to be content with an empty attic with cobwebs and bats flying all over the place.

  165. I initially rejected Ron Unz’s premise Covid was an American bio weapon. I’ll admit to being wrong. Was it intentionally released at the military games held in China? It still boggles my mind, but I am now opened to it.

    Now that Rand Paul has decided to go after Fauci, Paul has demonstrate the little gnome’s lying skills aren’t quite up to his gain of function ones. Also there are now WH log records showing Fauci met with then VP Biden staffer Ron Klain after Obama stopped funding gain of function operations. Fauci then is suspected to have moved operations to Wuhan. Which for me begs a question, could this explain the origin of the bug? And if it should prove that it does, who was the original intended target? Finally for a brief nanosecond the CEO of Pfizer stated they have been working on this vaccine for six years. The comment is either my imagination or has been scrubbed. Could Covid 19 been a mere invention for the vaccine? So many questions.

  166. Marckus says:
    @GMC

    What a convoluted comment. What is your point Fake Vietnam Vet ? If I did not know better I would say a Cambodian mosquito bit you in 70/71 and you are still suffering the effects LOL.

    You dont need the vaccine, what you need is a truth serum.

    • Replies: @GMC
  167. Agent76 says:

    February 8, 2021 German Court Moves To Silence Relentless Critic of RF DNA Studies Alexander Lerchl’s Unfounded Claims of Fabricated Data from Vienna Lab 13-Year Campaign of Disinformation

    Rüdiger’s DNA experiments were part of the REFLEX* Project, a €3.1 million effort to assess the health risks of cellular phone radiation. Sponsored by the European Commission (EC), it ran from 2000 to 2004.

    [MORE]

    https://microwavenews.com/news-center/german-court-moves-silence-critic-rf-dna-breaks

    Mar 31, 2021 Industry Capture of 5G EMF Health Reports by ICNIRP & WHO EMF Project by Dr. Lennart Hardell

    This talk is an excerpt from Tallinn June 3, 2019.

    Mar 6, 2021 5G Health Effects: Dr. Devra Davis to Italy La Casa del Sole TV by Environmental Health Trust

  168. windwaves says:

    my difficulty with all this theory is that it is now well understood (finally) that COVID is nothing but another variation of the flu, possibly more contagious and certainly NOT more deadly.

    Indeed, there are far too many “coincidences” to merely disregard the lab theory. Way too many.

    One possible explanation (and this is pure science fiction, I have no basis for this) is that this is all done in “preparation” for future BIO attacks that the US is planning; hence the push for vaccination which in truth is designed to protect the population from future, far more deadly, viruses already developed in labs.

    However, given the sort of country the US has become, I think this is all a lot simpler. This is a country that thinks money, and money only. And this was all driven by an evil alliance, big pharma/big finance (the link is obvious, just look at where Blackrock and friends have billions of dollars invested) to generate huge returns. I mean, have you ever witnessed this level of propaganda for a vaccine ? or anything really ? For what ?

  169. Rich says:
    @anonymous

    And what would your “civilized world” do? The US has the firepower to destroy both the civilized and uncivilized worlds and plenty of allies that would ride along with it. Right and wrong, good and bad, rarely, if ever, have any effect on international relations. Strength is all that matters.

    That being said, if some evil entity in the US did use a biological weapon against the Chinese, the Iranians, Northern Italians and the rest of the world, those men should be hunted down, tried and if guilty, executed. I’m still not convinced this is the case. Accidental release, either from Wuhan, or possibly from the US, seems more likely.

  170. @Wade

    Of course they have bio weapon labs but they’re commonly known as Pfizer, Moderna, amongst others.

  171. We will never know if Covid was God’s gift to Globalists, or if Globalists gifted themselves.

  172. Skeptikal says:
    @Icy Blast

    Weiss is still all in for Zion.
    Saying that there is no connection between racism in the US and in Israel.

    She means: Americans don’t understand racism.

    She has tweeted that it is absurd for Americans to say that being against racism in the USA means one must also be against racism in Israel.
    It is absurd for Americans to “use” racism in the USA in this way and apply their ideas of racism to Israel.

  173. Sean says:
    @Johnny Rico

    She is a natural, and looks good in the way all young people do, but that kind of energy, fast jerky editing and zooms would not work well for a narrative with a thread or line of reasoning that has to be followed. I discovered this guy recently and I think he has it down. He uses music and his videos really flow and draw you in to concentrating, even when showing the complex math and probability on Bell’s inequality ECT ECT.

    I agree that videos of a good YouTube standard (that’s quite high) would get through to the kind of people that have not found their way here , and they might then be willing to go deeper into it with the long articles after seeing an interesting video that somewhat simplified matters. I’m told it is very time consuming though.

  174. The same fools who said “inside job” on 9/11….

    Are the same fools who say America attacked China.

    Hilarious backwards logic from USA hating fools.

    Same as they ever were.

  175. Skeptikal says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    “Could Covid 19 been a mere invention for the vaccine? ”

    That is what Reiner Fuellmich says.
    Covid created for the vaccine. Not the vaccine for covid.

  176. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    “You and others seem to be saying that the various Schwab/Gates video interviews prove that they were somehow directly involved with the Covid-19 epidemic, and I say that’s totally ridiculous.”

    Er, no I very explicitly did not say that.
    I don’t even “seem” to be saying that. In fact, I said pretty much the opposite.

    Okay, then perhaps I just misunderstood you. I’ve been focused on the origins of Covid-19, and if you don’t think that Schwab or Gates had anything to do with the viral outbreak, I’m not particularly interested what they’ve been saying about other things.

    Since you and so many others have been attacking them in connection with the epidemic, I assumed that you were claiming that they were somehow involved or responsible. I do think at least a little of the blame is yours since you never really made it clear what you were suggesting.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  177. Marckus says:
    @Dumbo

    To Dumbo regarding Yee:

    When you read the comments from these Chinks it is best to not be drinking anything as there is the tendency to spit it out with all the laughter. If these are the people who are going to be the next Super Power then I say God Help US !

    I see further down Yee asserts that no one eats these bats because they are too small. This is a lie. The Chinese also eat very small birds which are cooked to a crisp and eaten like chips. They also eat the bats and heaven forbid, this superior race eat anything they find knocked over on the road.

    Outside the main and glittering coastal cities (which are falling apart) the rest of China is a dirt poor shit hole that make the worst ghetto in the US look like Utopia. Why else would a Chinaman leave such a wonderful place to live in Harlem and collect cans on the street ?

    In any case Pangolins are eaten to increase pecker size. It is rumoured that John Holmes used to keep them around for snacks. However much the Chinese consume them not much growth happens hence the fact that there are so few Chink porn stars. I’ll bet that Yee barely musters a worm bigger than my little finger.

    They eat bats but cannot grow a bat !

  178. @Ron Unz

    I almost never watch videos because they’re extremely inefficient sources of information, primarily appealing to credulous people who have lots of extra time on their hands.

    For many years, when I was of course younger and as far as I can make out even more foolish than I am today, I read the political news and commentary of one, often two, sometimes three, national newspapers a day. I even, when location provided opportunity, would pick up the odd NYTimes.

    And I would say that two five minute or so video presentations by James Corbett on Oswald re JFK coup and on 9/11 contain more illumination, more veracity, and incidentally, in entertaining mode, than all those muddying those waters newspapers over all those years managed to convey re Oswald and 9/11.

    Corbett has also done a series of videos on Bill Gates which are in my opinion worth watching.

    Obviously Ron if you almost never watch videos you are on no position to posit how efficiently and accurately the ones you are not watching are conveying important information.

    From the beginning of the linked video:

    Who is Bill Gates? A software developer, a business man, a philanthropist, a global health expert? This question, once merely academic, is becoming a real question for those who are beginning to realize that Gate’s unimaginable wealth has been used to gain control over every corner of the field of public health, medical research, and vaccine development….

    …this software developer, without medical training, is going to leverage that wealth into control over the fate of billions of people ….

    And from Gates himself:

    But until we get just about everybody vaccinated, globally, we still won’t be fully back to normal

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  179. Yee says:

    Sean,

    “Yes if caught with Pangolin potions Chinese men have plausible deniability. Unlike us Western obsessives.”

    Whenever Westerners hear about something Chinese people use as medicine, they immediately think it’s sex medicine. Pangolin or rhinoceros horn is not sex medicine. If you want a sex medicine, I can advise one for you.

    Epimedium brevicornu Maxim.

    淫羊藿(学名:Epimedium brevicornu Maxim.)多年生草本植物,植株高20-60厘米,根状茎粗短,暗棕褐色,二回三出复叶基生和茎生,具长柄,小叶纸质或厚纸质,叶缘具刺齿,花白色或淡黄色,花期5-6月,果期6-8月。淫羊藿生于林下、沟边灌丛中或山坡阴湿处,海拔650-3500米。中国陕西、甘肃、山西、河南、青海、湖北、四川等地区均有栽培。淫羊藿全草供药用。主治阳萎早泄,腰酸腿痛,四肢麻木,半身不遂,神经衰弱,健忘,耳鸣,目眩等症。

    • Replies: @Sean
  180. Now is the time to take off your mask.

    Right now there’s confusion about mask on/mask off for vaccinated people. Anyone can claim to be vaccinated and there’s no way of knowing. It’s important to break the habit, let other people see that the sky isn’t going to fall if they take off the mask.

    The more people who go maskless, the less power mask fascists have.

    • Agree: Skeptikal, Ever Becoming
  181. The only people who acted like they knew a bioweapon was on the loose in the early days – if that’s what it was – were the Chinese who spent months vacuuming up all available PPE worldwide while downplaying the virus’s significance with the help of WHO and USG itself.

    Strange thing for USG and five-eyes to let happen, if they were on the offense.

    • Replies: @naill
  182. windwaves says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    I tend to vote for your very last possibility: a mere invention for the vaccine hence huge profits for big pharma and big finance.

    It is probably the least evil too, at least when compared to bio war hypothesis and such. Still disgusting. Fauci is evil.

  183. Zago says:
    @Robert Snefjella

    Glad to see George Webb mentioned. I watch the Neighboorhood News Studio live stream that features George daily. If you don’t watch it live, chances are it gets deleted by Ytube.

    Mark Kulacz on his HousatonITS.com site has also done some outstanding research. There are independent journalist and researchers doing work that parallels Ron Unz’s. I hope Ron looks into George Webb, and his books, the two complement each other and they are natural allies in telling the
    truth.

  184. Yee says:

    Marckus,

    People like you deserve the evil ruling class you have…

  185. GMC says:
    @Marckus

    Your mind wanders all over the place, and you blurt out every pea brain thought that you have. You either have done sooo many drugs in your life , that it totally took out your mind , or you escaped from Menlo Park. Otherwise – you are a serious Coked up Freak that can’t sit still or keep your thoughts from shitting all over yourself. You’re a fuckin train wreck. Clean yourself up and leave the rest of us alone.

  186. Covid-19 aka certificate of vaccination identification – 19, does not exist, it has never been isolated, therefore it does not exist, even the privately owned corporations and NGOs the CDC and the WHO admit it has never been isolated.

    Covid-19 is a totally made up concept, a myth, a scam, a psyop from the demented minds of the WEF, UN Agenda 2030, the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, the Tavistock Institute, etc., and this mind control concept is being used to instill fear and hysteria into the people and via this fear and hysteria to get the people into getting the covid-19 injections which are experimental and contain mRNA which alters the DNA and destroys the immune system.

    This is a bottom line Jim Jones genocide agenda to depopulate the planet and all responsible should charged and tried in a Nuremberg style trial for imposing this genocide program on the people of the world.

  187. Trinity says:

    Oh, so now they are saying there is a good possibility this (((virus))) “escaped” from a lab and bats dindu nuffin. hahaha. As if we didn’t know that already. I just have trouble with the word, “escaped.”

  188. I have little doubt that the virus is lab made, however,

    I posted a comment on the last article on this subject by Mr Unz which was essentially that the virus just ain’t as deadly as alleged,

    Is it considered by Mr Unz that the virus was designed to only affect the very old who also had up to three chronic co morbidities?

    Because with an infection fatality rate somewhere around 0.26% it could hardly be called a deadly disease,

    Unless of course that the planned ‘vaccine response’ was going to do the real damage.

    That is my only difficulty with Mr Unz’s thesis.

  189. AReply says:

    What is the substance of this article, 1) formally, 2) editorially and 3) politically?

    1) Ron Unz, himself, a noted writer to himself, and some other people, some of whom also who write, and therefore are intellectual, has been loud-and-clear that there might be something to consider about a lab-leak explanation to the Covid-19 pandemic, meaning his blog has previously dropped some articles on the topic. The evidence that demarks this conjecture is words. Thousands and thousands of words. Words published on his blog, and by extension, words published through the for-profit echo-chamber of Facebook. In other words, the many words have been enormously widely distributed by a system designed to amplify the most salacious and controversial click-bait, but for some reason Ron Unz bold conjectures about a vast Presidential Conspiracy — at the behest of the most senior officials of the office of a totally failed and discredited President who is well-known emperor of a party which politically traffic in fabrication of and endless broadcast and repetition the most democratically harmful conspiracy claims, that the vote itself is fundamentally corrupt in the democracy which elected him — are not being sufficiently amplified? This leads Ron Unz, a man who some have noted exists, including, most notably himself, and who has by his own count written many words, to openly wonder about the “silence” of … the MSM? IOW, why, oh why, after words upon words (please re-count them) that Ron Unz has written about very important questions that almost no-one else would even think of asking—especially so verbosely—such as ‘could an industrial accident or the malicious schemes of the most sage leaders of the Republican Party be responsible for an outbreak that’s the most destructive event to the American homeland of any conflict’ be an explanation for this crisis, which Ron Unz’ own blog regularly has denounced as a hoax and political distraction managed by liberal elites to defame and debase the very President whose cabinet might be, in Unz own words, behind this calamitous outbreak. In the midst of such stupefying conjectures, Ron Unz loudly wonders on his own blog about this “silence” in the scope of ‘Why am I not getting way more attention?’ from a commercial media to which he adds no value except for the injection at the margins of obviously politically cloying weakly-constructed salacious “conservative” diatribes that appeal to ex-National Review hacks; a media whose owners are reeling over the edge of a cliff of a true mountain of toxic political garbage they themselves have shovelled into existence using the world’s largest media bull-dozers…

    Wow, that’s just point 1, a summary of the formal substance of this article by Unz. I’m too pooped to get to points 2 and 3 summaries of the editorial and political substance of Ron Unz hard-hitting exposé on why a lying MSM he despises doesn’t sound his crackpot conspiracy wonderments from their highest bell towers.

    Check back to these comments later for further anal-i-sys.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  190. Antiwar7 says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I almost never watch videos because they’re extremely inefficient sources of information.”

    Hear, hear!

    • Agree: Kapyong
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  191. anon[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is it that all reports of Covid origin, including Ron’s, continue to ignore this important story by CNN in July 2019:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

    [MORE]

    This nursing home is a mere 57 miles or an hour’s drive from Ft. Detrick. This outbreak occurred the same month CDC issued a cease and desist letter to Ft. Detrick for violation of safety protocols, for improper disposal of bio hazardous materials. July is far too late for a flu outbreak. Why didn’t someone like Nicholas Wade ever look into this?

    A friend of a friend who works in the intelligence committee in DC told him back in Feb. ’20 that coronavirus was nothing new, lots of people in the DC area already had it by November 2019, and that they all just took antibiotics and got over it.

    In February 2020, while China was reeling from the outbreak, the Trump admin led by Pompeo unleashed a torrent of sanctions and hostile attacks on China, from banning sale of their high tech equipment to banning them from buying US tech, to calling on European allies to step up their hostility against China. Instead of offering assistance, America the “benevolent superpower” made a classic vindictive move of kicking someone while they’re down. Aside from being heartless, it seemed like a coordinated move, the one-two punch that was going to finish China off.

    The neocons have completely co-opted the GOP. China is their great red herring to distract Trump’s base and the center-left from all the bad stuff they are doing, like endless immigration and endless wars. In addition to continuing to blame China for the virus, they also never forget to mention China’s “genocide” on the Uighurs each time Israel’s hostility against Palestine is mentioned, like this article:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anti-israel-protests-across-europe-descend-anti-semitism

    • Agree: Abdul Alhazred
  192. Fred777 says:
    @Emslander

    The neocons are Republican or Democrat as the situation warrants.

  193. CSFurious says:
    @Catdog

    The biggest issue is that the U.S. taxpayer funded the “gain of function” research. This will continue to be reported by the controlled media as it gains traction, i.e., once considered a “conspiracy theory” will go “mainstream”. It is also my understanding that this type of research is also being funded by the U.S. at other labs.

  194. THE EMPEROR’S NEW CLOTHES

    The Covid “deaths” are media fabrications. There is no proof of them, and no agreement on the numbers. The “pandemic” is a hoax. It is a case of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

    [MORE]

    Republicans and Democrats; liberals and conservatives: all of them defend the “pandemic” hoax.

    All of them (including Ron Unz and his readers) bicker about the appearance of the Emperor’s New Clothes. (“The pandemic came from this lab. No! It came this other lab.”)

    All of them become angry when you violate a taboo by noticing that the emperor is naked. There is no “pandemic.”

    Thus, all of them believe the lies of politicians and media outlets. They only disagree about trivial details of the lies. The details of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

    This group-think is why our freedoms are being eliminated, and why our bodies are being injected with pharma’s poisons.

  195. pbridge says:

    The disease is the vaccine. The ‘virus’ was just the advertising prologue.

    [MORE]

    From the beginning I understood it is to psycho control the populations as the economic and financial collapse was/is leading to the greatest depression ever.

    This was immediately evident when panaceas such as cheap ascorbic acid were completely suppressed.

    BTW did that story from Iran about the possible contemporaneous sarin gas releases ever lead anywhere?

    Without solid data we are the blind Indian sages discussing the character of an elephant by grabbing his trunk and testicles.

  196. @nietzsche1510

    Now we are talking…. but not only Faux!

    Lists please!

  197. @CelestiaQuesta

    Trump was White, he represented real Americans, and was gaining support from every class and race in society.

    How did risking WW3 by attacking Syria with cruise missiles represent real Americans? How did moving the embassy to Jerusalem represent real Americans? How did giving Syrian land to Israel represent real Americans? How did making American consumers pay more for products manufactured in China represent real Americans? How did starving Venezuelan peasants represent real Americans? How did risking WW3 by assassinating General Soleimani represent real Americans? How did risking WW3 by withdrawing from the INF treaty represent real Americans? How did risking WW3 by constantly provoking Russia and China represent real Americans?

    All Trump did was lie and posture while doing anti-American dirty work. Trump was a complete fraud who betrayed his election mandate and his supporters and whose treachery ultimately helped to put sleazy joe bidiot in the white house.

    • Disagree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  198. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Okay, then perhaps I just misunderstood you . . . I assumed that you were claiming that they were somehow involved or responsible. I do think at least a little of the blame is yours since you never really made it clear what you were suggesting.”

    You “assumed”?

    No “blame” is mine for your repeatedly misconstruing what I said and then dissing me.
    Furthermore, I wasn’t “suggesting” anything. I didn’t “claim” any connection but I posited some connection and asked what it could be.
    I repeatedly stated and restated a question.

    @30 I wrote: “Schwab has openly stated that the covid-19 pandemic is an opportunity not to be wasted. Why doesn’t Ron Unz even take a look at this weird statement? . . . Is this all a result of a plot hatched in Langley or somewhere in the Swamp?
    Maybe so, but in that case it seems to have played right into other hands. “

    @98 I wrote: Whatever you want to call the messages of these messianic monsters, they are coming from very powerful actors. Those who are hearing them are wondering how the hell they fit into the rest of the covid-19 picture. . . . I am asking you how they fit into your picture, big or small. . . . So, what is your response to what these grand-designers say?”

    @101 I wrote: “So at the risk of becoming repetitive and boring, I’ll repeat my question to Ron, perhaps in a clearer way: How are these ruthless, powerful men with their scary agenda connected to the advent and trajectory —with all of the totalitarian trimmings—of the corona event on the ground?. . .How are these two strands of the DNA of the current situation—one strand up in the air and the other down on the ground— interwoven? ”

    You have stated that the two levels or types of phenomena have no connection.
    Fine.
    Now really done with this.

    • Agree: R2b
  199. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    The Hollywood movie “Contagion”, which seems designed to prepare the public for a covid-like event, was released in 2011. The movie’s Wikipedia page says planning began in 2009. Can this date’s proximity to the World Financial Collapse be just a coincidence?

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Ron Unz
  200. bayviking says:

    Now is the time our country needs another Ellsberg, Manning, Assange or Snowden to come out from under one of those bio-weapons lab coats with some hard evidence. Its the only way the public ever gets to know what our evil Deep State Government is up to. The damage this would do to US credibility worldwide is staggering to think about. But the truth must be revealed, from JFK to the present.

    • Agree: Fred777, Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @Fred777
  201. @HT

    I think it much more likely that the virus was a bio-attack against the USA and more specifically President Donald Trump for the purpose of unseating him in November 2020.

    So according to you they’d take the risk of releasing a bioweapon on the world – in an attempt to defeat him in an upcoming election (and how did they know it would work out that way?) – rather than simply impeach and remove him from office (e.g. for his impeachable crimes in Syria) when they had the chance? I’m skeptical.

    • Replies: @HT
  202. @Ron Unz

    i agree, people, most particularly politicians, lie all the time. lying being their go to much preferred to truth. discerning/gleaning the truth from all the statements of our leaders & oligarchs is why alternative media is so vitally important—& why we appreciate you, ron, & your site. thank you. yet, it’s also vital we make note of the slips these elites make. truth does have its very odd, very beautiful way of revealing itself. just as the ceo of pfizer admitted he hadn’t been vaccinated.

  203. Skeptikal says:
    @Robert Snefjella

    I guess Ron Unz has time to watch James Bond movies ((:-)), but none for James Corbett, who, as you say, has done stellar work on much of the background to the current pandemic-vaxx scenario (I think it is fair to describe it thus); Gates (along with others) is also of course strongly implicated in other bad vaxx scenarios in India and Africa.

    • Replies: @doubtful
  204. TKK says:

    A recent development that bolsters Unz’s position is the amazing, unprecedented embrace of UFO(s) evidence by the US Government.

    No less than the Sacred Cow Obama was trotted out to publicly worry that UFO sightings were “real” and “troublesome”.

    Historically, there was no faster track to being labeled an imbecile, a lunatic, a tin foil hate wearing clown then to even discuss the mere existence of aliens. Mentions ETs and your credibility was obliterated until death.

    Now the US Government is solemnly worried about UFOs?

    No bigger red herring of “look over here, not there!” distraction could be cooked up.

    • Agree: Nancy
  205. I am not quibbling about your analysis of the origin of COVID, you may well be correct. What I am quibling about regardless of its origin, even if its just a natural variant of the flu, according to Official Figures of Total Death Rates, from across the World, it has not caused a Pandemic, because the total death rate has not been statistically greater, than what has been completely normal over the last 20 years.

    In fact, according to a report in yesterday’s Daily Telegraph, based on Official UK Government figures, the total death rate in The UK over the last month, has been Lower, that at any time since 2001. Of course this report will have been buried by now, because it directly conflicts with the overwhelming propaganda, which was pre-planned and pre-paid for at a cost of well over £100 Million, with other costs running into £Billions on top of the dismantling of much of the real economy.

    However, I do not expect these total death figures to stay low, because of the effects of the vaccines.

    It is the vaccines – I call them the death shots, which together with the propaganda to take them, is the real virus, which I think is almost certain to result in massive depopulation, unless there is Very strong Resistance too them NOW.

    Tony

    • Agree: St-Germain, Skeptikal, R2b
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  206. Ron Unz says:
    @Antiwar7

    “I almost never watch videos because they’re extremely inefficient sources of information.”

    Hear, hear!

    Jimmy Dore is apparently a very popular leftist YouTuber, and someone upthread provided a link to his show discussing the lab-leak scenario, so I decided to break my own rule and try to watch a few minutes of it.

    All he seemed to do was quote small portions of the important Nicholas Wade article, and also show clips of a few other people saying the same thing. Given the slow reading and all the pauses, I think the content material was diluted by a factor of 5x in time-required. That’s exactly why I almost never watch videos.

    I think videos are mostly aimed at people who can’t accept anything until “they’ve seen it on TV.”

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Skeptikal
  207. @Harold Smith

    You sound like a typical fake news network talking head who’s hatred of Trump lives in their tiny brains cell, rotting away neurons, causing severe advanced stage TDS.
    Enjoy your dementia bobble head and his illegitimate regime, the CornPop is on me. 🙂

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  208. Stegiel says:

    I agree in part. All governmentalities of the Earth via WHO and the CDC areed on the Big Lie. Covid-19 does not exist outside a lab. The CGI image from China built by the USA and Chionba is used as the red herring. There is no pandemic. You can view the work of Christine Massey at her site, fluoridefreepeel.ca (also, twitter: [1]). She deserves the thanks of every thinking person. Globally no FOIA has found evidence of Covid.

    [MORE]

    Quoting Massey [2]: “I (CM), along with some anonymous helpers, have submitted Freedom of Information requests to various Canadian institutions seeking records that describe the isolation of ‘SARS-COV-2’ (the alleged ‘COVID-19 virus’) from an unadulterated sample taken from a diseased patient.

    “My requests were intentionally worded to weed out the fraudulent, illogical and unscientific claims of having ‘isolated SARS-COV-2’, of which there are many…”

    “My requests were not limited to records of isolation performed by the respective institution, and not limited to records authored by the respective institution, rather they were open to records of isolation performed by anyone, anywhere on the planet.”

    “Colleagues in numerous other countries have obtained responses to the same and similar information requests from dozens of additional institutions.”

    “As of January 22, 2021 46 institutions and offices have responded to said requests. Every institution has failed to provide, or cite, even 1 record describing the actual isolation of any ‘SARS-COV-2’ from a patient sample by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever.”

    Here is a typical response to a Massey request, from the Ontario Ministry of Health. The response arrived after four months: “This is to inform you that no responsive records were located. A reasonable search of the ministry was conducted, and no responsive records were found. Dr. David C. Williams, Chief Medical Officer of Health, is responsible for this decision.”

    NO records indicating SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated. “Isolated” means “separated from other material.” It means “we actually found the virus and could identify it.”

    ACTUAL ISOLATION MEANS THE VIRUS EXISTS. INABILITY TO ISOLATE IT MEANS THERE IS NO PROOF THE VIRUS EXISTS.

    When, as Massey indicates, 46 separate agencies say the same thing—“no records of isolation available”—we are past wondering what is going on. We’re firmly in the territory of FRAUD.

    As I’ve stated many times [3] [4], virologists are twisting and torturing the meaning of the word “isolated.” They claim they have the virus in a soup in a dish in the lab. “In a soup” is the very opposite of “isolated.”

    The soup contains animal and human cells, toxic chemicals and toxic drugs, and other genetic material. Some of the cells are dying. The researchers preposterously state the dying must be the result of the virus attacking these cells.

    However, the chemicals and drugs could be doing the killing. And the human and animal cells are being starved of nutrients—which fact alone is enough to cause them to die.

    Therefore, there is no evidence that the purported (and un-isolated) virus is in the soup in the dish in the lab.

    This “proof of isolation” is on the level of claiming the sun is the moon, Alaska is a small town on Saturn, and a rabbit is a spaceship.

    It’s no accident that Christine Massey’s relentless investigation has turned up zero records of actual isolation. (from Jon Rappaport No More Fake News)

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @R2b
  209. @TKK

    According to Ancient Alien Theorists, most all governments around the world are under control by shape shifting RapTellinz. Has anyone noticed creatures in the illegitimate Biden Regime? They come across as vile, incompetent, and evil. This could also be caused by natural effects of inter dimensional time travel or transgenderism due to human reanimation.

  210. Trinity says:
    @lysias

    “Predictive programming” which (((they))) have been at for years.

  211. @Old and Grumpy

    When our media reports Rand Paul’s attacks on Fauci, they never mention that Paul is a medical doctor who practiced for several years, and graduated from Duke, one of the top medical schools in the USA.

    • Replies: @lysias
  212. @Cynthia McKinney

    even more information about the nature of SARS-CoV-2 and its entry point into the human cell.

    Your cited study emphasizes the role of the TMPRSS2 enzyme in priming the virus entry into the cell. That suggests that certain repurposed drugs may be able to treat the disease by blocking that enzyme. Several drugs that do this have in fact been found, including camostat, bromhexine and possibly Guaifenesin. The latter two appear to be inexpensive over-the-counter expectorants (though not sold everywhere).
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8016544/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33731328/
    https://err.ersjournals.com/content/30/159/200384.long

    Only a few trials have been done on these drugs, with conflicting results. Bromhexine seems quite promising. But given the overt regulatory capture of so many of the agencies overseeing our response to this epidemic, we can have little confidence in any negative result, where the drug is off patent and cheap. Sad to say.

  213. @Drakejax

    There is always this WHY? you moron.
    Or in Latin who gains and what he gains.

    • Replies: @Drakejax
  214. @CelestiaQuesta

    Instead of merely admiring yourself in the mirror, please answer my questions, e.g. “(h)ow did (Trump’s) risking WW3 by attacking Syria with cruise missiles represent real Americans?” Thanks.

  215. @Harold Smith

    How much did Trump know about Covid-19 and when did he know it?

    Well, you might recall the Dems had him pretty distracted with the first impeachment proceeding in November and December of 2019. Miss Nancy even refused to deliver the articles of impeachment to the senate for a full month, for totally inexplicable reasons, except perhaps to keep him distracted while the epidemic was gaining steam in China.

    You might also recall that the entire security apparatus of the U.S. appeared to be on the Dem’s side, not to mention the FBI and the general staff of the military. Or several key “Republicans.” We sometimes call it the Deep State.

    You would be better asking “How much did Pelosi, Schumer and Schiff know about Covid-19 and when did they know it?”

    FIFY

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  216. https://mndaily.com/187385/news/world/u-honors-chinese-minister-health/ OK from 2012 so this guy Chen Zu who was involved with the Wuhan Institute of Virology was also involved with organ harvesting from prisoners????? Inviting Chen to the University has been in the works for more than a year, said John Kersey, founding director emeritus of the Masonic Cancer Center. ??? A member of the Chinese deep state?

  217. Thank you Ron and keep up the good work. The sun is reappearing from behind the clouds slowly. I have believed from the get go that the spread of CVirus (initiated by a bunch of dumb MF’s) was a form of Bio-war and intentionally set as the beginning of WWIII but fortunately or unfortunately it backfired!

  218. HT says:
    @Harold Smith

    Absolutely. Trump was that much of a threat especially if the movement he started caught on with most of the country which would have been a major blow to China and their power. China could not impeach Trump so I don’t understand your point with that. Certainly the Left impeached him twice over phony issues but they knew it would not lead to his removal. It was just to weaken him. China does not depend on Nancy Pelosi when they want to act in a major way. They do things like bio-warfare. Could China have lost 5 million people in the process? Maybe but why would they care? Just worthwhile collateral damage if the goal was achieved.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  219. @blaster

    … play on the monkey bars etc.

    The monkey bars at my school in the swinging sixties were installed over blacktop paving. We were expected to be tougher back then.

    They will never go on a date…

    I’d love to see a guy of the current generation actually go up to a girl and ask her out on a date rather than “swiping for sex.”

  220. @The Soft Parade

    One of the best comments on CoVid1984.

  221. Ron Unz says:
    @TKK

    A recent development that bolsters Unz’s position is the amazing, unprecedented embrace of UFO(s) evidence by the US Government.

    No less than the Sacred Cow Obama was trotted out to publicly worry that UFO sightings were “real” and “troublesome”.

    Historically, there was no faster track to being labeled an imbecile, a lunatic, a tin foil hate wearing clown then to even discuss the mere existence of aliens. Mentions ETs and your credibility was obliterated until death.

    That’s a very good point. I’ve never paid any attention to UFOs or ETs myself, but surely until a week or two ago, believing in them was considered proof-positive of total lunacy. Imagine what the MSM would have said about Trump if he had endorsed them. But now our political and media elites have done an entire 180 on the issue.

    Similarly, anyone who claimed that Covid-19 was an engineered virus was liable to be purged from Facebook or YouTube for spreading “fake news.” But now it’s moving towards the new orthodoxy.

    The whole situation is remarkably Orwellian…

  222. Trinity says:
    @blaster

    I wish parks would install monkey bars for adults to play on, make it a reasonable length with an incline for adults to exercise on. Hell, I was just mentioning this in a Sailer article where people were discussing how adult chimpanzees can tear humans apart. I used to always see REAL monkey bars at parks long ago, not those kiddie types with the little rings. Adults and children should be encouraged to get out in the fresh air and sunshine and get on those monkey bars. I guess the snowflakes are responsible for taking out the monkey bars. We used to have to climb ropes in physical education, I guess that one is gone as well.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  223. frontier says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    Everybody and his dog does research on gain of function. Do your remember the Dutch research on recreating the Spanish Flu? How else can one gain the basic scientific knowledge that supports defense against pathogens newly evolved to be dangerous? How about diseases transferred from animals?

    A very stupid and self-serving excuse for bio-weapons proliferation. I mean this kind of stupid: “How can one gain basic scientific knowledge of chemistry without research on deadly neuro-toxins?” Indeed how? LOL.

    If it turns out that covid’s escaped from a US lab, will I blame the USA? No. If it turns out to have escaped from the US military lab shut down by the CDC, will I blame the USA. No. If it was deliberately released, that’s a terrible crime but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Bullshit, “extraordinary evidence” isn’t required to condemn “research” which CAN create bio-weapons capable of wiping out all of humanity. By your own words “There’s no such thing as human perfection” thus killing all people is worth it as long as the “need for basic research” is satisfied? The fact that human imperfection assures the creation of super pathogens is just collateral damage, humanity be damned? That kind of logic fully deserves the name idiotic.

    Your arguments approach the level of down syndrome mumbling when the state of bio-weapons treaties is considered. The Bio-Weapons Convention, the BWC, is effective;y dead by its lack of verification and enforcement mechanism – adding one to it has been vigorously sabotaged by… can you guess who? It’s not China, nor Russia… According to you, the claim that covid “has escaped from a US military lab” is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence… but how does one get his hands on it when hundreds of bio-weapons labs are shrouded in impenetrable secrecy – thanks to the efforts of the very government you’re investigating?

    http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Articles/Bioweapons.html

    RESEARCH ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS IS NOT STOPPED
    Incredibly, research on the creation of new biological weapons is not technically illegal if it can be portrayed as a means of testing out potential threats.

    Sounds familiar, no?

    https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/biological-weapons-convention-bwc/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention#Failed_negotiation_of_a_verification_protocol

  224. @Ron Unz

    Ron, the reports that US defense intelligence knew of the outbreak back in October or November is one of your strongest supports. However, I think this is entirely consistent with a lab leak in Wuhan origin for the outbreak.

    We’ve learned more and more recently (see Sen. Paul’s grilling of Fauci) that the US was heavily involved in funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. Indeed, it seems that much of this research was only relocated to Wuhan because the Obama administration put a moratorium on GOF research. Thus, wouldn’t it stand to reason that a lab leak could get reported to the US funding sources (which ultimately go back to Fauci and company) early on, and sources on the ground in Wuhan would notice the outbreak?

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  225. Agent76 says:

    Jan 19, 2016 Dr. Martin Pall, Ph.D Electromagnetic Field Exposure – The Cellular Effect on Humans

    [MORE]

    February 14, 2020 Parts of Switzerland has halted 5G rollout after health concerns

    Switzerland is one of the leading countries in the rollout of 5G mobile technology. The country has built more than 2000 antennas last year alone to upgrade its network, and many telecom providers has promised their customers imminent 5G coverage.

    http://timesofsweden.com/2020/02/14/parts-of-switzerland-halts-5g-rollout-after-health-concerns/

  226. @Peripatetic Itch

    Well, you might recall the Dems had him pretty distracted with the first impeachment proceeding in November and December of 2019. Miss Nancy even refused to deliver the articles of impeachment to the senate for a full month, for totally inexplicable reasons, except perhaps to keep him distracted while the epidemic was gaining steam in China.

    As I recall he wasn’t so “distracted” that he couldn’t plot and carry out the assassination of General Soleimani; an heinous crime that could’ve resulted in WW3. So I would have to disagree with you on that.

    Besides, it was rather obvious early on that the impeachment proceedings were pure political theater and that Trump was not going to be removed from power accordingly. If anything the phony impeachment proceedings ultimately had the effect of giving Trump’s abuses official congressional imprimatur and aggrandizing presidential power.

    You might also recall that the entire security apparatus of the U.S. appeared to be on the Dem’s side, not to mention the FBI and the general staff of the military. Or several key “Republicans.” We sometimes call it the Deep State.

    And here I always thought that something as powerful as the “deep state” would be able to impeach and remove a problematic president (or remove him by other means); yet you make it seem rather impotent.

    You would be better asking “How much did Pelosi, Schumer and Schiff know about Covid-19 and when did they know it?

    Why would that be when Trump was the one repeatedly publicly claiming and routinely asserting the unlimited power to do whatever he wanted to do as president?

  227. Alden says:
    @TKK

    I have no opinion about UFOs. But I saw something when I was in college. The window faced west so it could not have been an early sunrise. My bed faced the window The shades were up. I woke up about 2/30 am. The sky was dark of course.

    There was a disc in the sky. It didn’t seem like a ball but a disc. Not horizontal like a plate on a table, but vertical like a plate upright. It was a bright gold. The color got a bit lighter and darker but not by much I got out of bed bit my tongue pinched my arm to make sure I was awake.

    The disc did not move up and down or sideways. Just forward and back. I looked at the clock. The disc was there about 12 minutes. Then it just disappeared. Didn’t move out of sight just disappeared.

    No secret Air Force bases around that I knew of. But NASA was about 10 miles away in Mountain View. And this was shortly after America put a man on the moon. But I don’t think NASA Mountain View made anything. Just did research and astronomical engineering but no prototypes. As far as I know which is very little.

    About the government suddenly “ admitting” UFOS might exist. Everything any government agency claims is a lie until there’s clear and present proof it’s true beyond a reasonable doubt.

    • Thanks: TKK
  228. Alden says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    You must believe everything you read and hear?? Every other American bedridden patient but disabled veterans gets turned every hour cleaned and cared for. Where’s your information or personal knowledge or proof of that? Some BS you read on the internet.

    There’s no such thing as extraordinary evidence
    viable,, clear and present, overwhelming are the words you’re looking for.

    All you know about covid outcomes in China Iran N Korea Cuba Venezuela is information released by those governments to the international media. Which you read and believe.

    The brain of a liberal is an empty sink equipped with a drain and a faucet. Periodically the plug is pulled. The propaganda drains out. The plug is put back. The faucet is turned on and the latest propaganda flows in and is accepted.

    • Agree: David In TN
  229. anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Who knows what’s really going on? Confusing hot mess. I just pray that this isn’t something intentional coz it would just be too evil.

    • Agree: Alden
  230. Fred777 says:
    @bayviking

    Agreed, but I don’t think we will see another Assange or Snowden for a while. The swamp has seen to that.

  231. Trinity says:

    I saw a UFO one time at Clearwater Beach. It was a Canuck wearing long black socks and sandals while shirtless. The dude was lobster red and becoming bloody red by the second. That guy was definitely a UFO, an Unidentified Frying Object.

    UFOs = horse$hit, $pace Force will accept all donations you wish to give. hehe.
    The “deadly virus” = horse$hit, sleazy slimeballs have gotten filthy rich off the plandemic

    The UFO dweebs are even more ridiculous than the flat earthers, only the media and even Tucker Carlson are reporting on this caca like it is the real deal, while mocking the nutbag flat earthers, go figure that one out. UFOs are real but 911 Truthers are the nuts? Yep, datz rite because the media says so.

    Speaking of giving, that Jewess who wanted to take your shekels for the elderly starving “holocaust victims” who are remarkably still alive, now wishes to take your 45 dollar donation for all the Israelis misplaced and left homeless due to the recent skirmish in that part of the world. Please be generous and support America’s bestest best friend in the whole wide world.

  232. Emslander says:
    @Stegiel

    Has ANY virus been isolated under your criteria? Just asking, really.

  233. Additional https://www.keionline.org/about/board

    See Tim Hubbard, he is associated with Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Cambridge, UK, Wellcome Trust ties back to Chatham House – Royal Institute of International Affairs.

  234. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    If there was any evidence that the US was behind a plot against China, wouldn’t the Chinese have run with it and try to expose it as widely as possible? It would be to their benefit. China would be off the hook and the US(belligerent toward China under Trump) would be on the moral defensive.

    But apart from a few comments by certain Chinese officials about a possible US role in it, the main Chinese response was silence and suppression of all discussion. China acted like it was hiding something, which made it easy for ‘conspiracy theorists’ to speculate about China’s sinister role in it.

    Why did China react this way?

    Was Covid really the result of Chinese negligence in the lab?

    Or, on some level, did China work with Neocons to unleash the disease to get rid of Trump?
    Also, Chinese government could use Covid lockdowns for their own political purposes, especially in Hong Kong.

    If that is true, Chinese probably feel cheated. If there was Neocon-Chinese collusion in the plot, the agreement would have hinged on China letting the disease loose but the neocons and globalists in the media doing everything to prevent China being blamed. Even though the MSM and the Democrats didn’t endorse Trump’s blame-China position, they didn’t do much to suppress it either, which means China got the blame. Thus, even though both China and Neocons were glad to see Trump ousted, China ended with the blame whereas the Neocons got off scot-free.

  235. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    UFO’s are now government orthodoxy because a very powerful faction of Biden’s constituency is stark, raving mad.

  236. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @TKK

    A recent development that bolsters Unz’s position is the amazing, unprecedented embrace of UFO(s) evidence by the US Government.

    Of course, those UFO’s are the product of US technology.

    They are probably hologram-like images projected into the air. The experiment is being conducted by US agencies in secrecy. So, when fighter jets spot them in the air, they have no idea what they are because it’s all part of a secret project.

    One thing for sure, they ain’t space aliens.

    • Agree: TKK
  237. @AReply

    So everything is clear and open and everything is true as presented by MSM. There is no such thing as activity behind the curtain. Even CIA is an open book.
    And you are certainly not a deep state operator.
    (I am so relieved)

  238. @HT

    I think it much more likely that the virus was a bio-attack against the USA and more specifically President Donald Trump for the purpose of unseating him in November 2020.

    So according to you they’d take the risk of releasing a bioweapon on the world – in an attempt to defeat him in an upcoming election (and how did they know it would work out that way?) – rather than simply impeach and remove him from office (e.g. for his impeachable crimes in Syria) when they had the chance? I’m skeptical.

    Absolutely. Trump was that much of a threat especially if the movement he started caught on with most of the country which would have been a major blow to China and their power. China could not impeach Trump so I don’t understand your point with that.

    Well aren’t democrats Chinese agents? Surely China’s agents in congress could’ve merely added Trump’s impeachable crimes in Syria to the charges against him, thereby possibly forcing the republicans to convict him, right?

    But why try to get rid of Trump with a risky bioweapon attack which might be blamed on China and could even backfire by making Trump more popular depending on how he handled it? Why take these risks when the Chinese’ agents, the democrats, could simply steal the election for example?

    Certainly the Left impeached him twice over phony issues but they knew it would not lead to his removal.

    But at Chinese urging they could’ve easily added his crimes in Syria to the charges which were real impeachable offenses, and for which witnesses were not needed as there would’ve been no facts in dispute, right?

    China does not depend on Nancy Pelosi when they want to act in a major way. They do things like bio-warfare. Could China have lost 5 million people in the process? Maybe but why would they care? Just worthwhile collateral damage if the goal was achieved.

    Why couldn’t they have simply bribed him like everybody else does? If Adelson can bribe Trump with a mere $75 million or whatever it was, surely the Chinese could bribe him with a few hundred million or so, right?

    • Replies: @HT
  239. Drakejax says:
    @Zarathustra

    Ummm, if my suspicion of DNC-CCP colusion of some sort is in any way correct, the WHY would seem to obviously be a combination of Democrat victories in the Nov 2020 elections and subsequent extreme liberal agendas immediatelly implemented, plus CCP advances in their own realms (reduced trade war, solidify advance to first island chain, less Silk Road opposition, etc). Moron.

  240. Trinity says:

    I think we should be aware of who has been “vaxxed” so all the snowflakes are aware of us anti-vaxxers out there.

    I say let the pro-vaxxers be loud and proud and bare all. All the people who have been vaxxed regardless of gender, race or age should wear pants with holes cut out to expose their butt cheeks like the ones Prince wore at the 1991 MTV awards. One could also choose to tattoo a butt cheek with advertisements like Property Of Moderna or Sponsored By Johnson & Johnson on one or both exposed cheeks. Go ahead vaxxers show how loud and proud you are and shame all the anti-vaxxers.

    Cue: Gett Off by Prince.

  241. @Ron Unz

    To say “now”, “now that India has bad relations with China” as part of his lashing out against Godfree Roberts, as though there had not been ongoing tensions and border conflicts between India and China for decades, and when Roberts is always referencing statistics that are never disputed, makes me wonder if Ron Unz is still with us, or perhaps was quietly replaced by the CIA a little while ago.

    Has anyone seen Ron recently?

    • Agree: d dan
  242. Erebus says:
    @Ron Unz

    Doesn’t that tend to suggest that they probably had nothing to do with Covid-19? And now they’re hoping to use the opportunity of the global Covid-19 epidemic to implement them.

    Sure, in exactly the same way that the neocons of Bush II’s day saw 9/11 as the opportunity of a lifetime and sprang into action within hours of its occurrence.

    As they say, great achievers create their own opportunities. Those who, having already achieved much control an array of resources and so create even greater opportunities by motivating and allocating resources to those lower in the food chain best positioned to create it for them. Great CEOs don’t run companies. They manage the aspirations and talents of the executives that run the company and bend their natural career trajectories to their vision. This is so all the way down in the most successful companies.

    In a case such as this, there’s plenty of people at all levels within and without the US’ bio-weapons complex (indeed its entire, vast security complex) who’re bristling at the rise of China and what that means for America’s long term prospects for the global hegemony they’d spent their entire careers helping to achieve/maintain. It bristles specifically because losing those prospects will inevitably diminish their own power and prestige. This, at bottom, is what drives such people and that they’d be predisposed to closing an eye when/if the most roguish of their underlings proposed some hare-brained scheme is patent. If they (however quietly) bought into it, they’d build a wall of plausible deniability but ensure that the rogues got the funding and resources to do “what had to be done”.

    And suppose that Vietnam had used that opportunity to grab a substantial fraction of China’s existing factory business. Would that lead you to suspect that Vietnam had been behind the attack?

    No. Aside from the silliness of the notion that this sort of attack is done to gain merely economic advantage, I’d doubt that Vietnam had the pull to destroy by decree the economies of all its other competitors. I doubt even the USA has that kind of pull.

    The salient point here isn’t the attack (or error) itself, but the entire world’s lock step, coordinated reaction to it. That’s what astonishes, and that’s what compels one to look to international bodies and who controls them for the culprits. Only international bodies, indeed the entire complex of them have anywhere near the resources to bring the ~180 nations of the world into a single agenda.

    Any “lone gunman”, or collection thereof could have tossed a cupful of SARS-COV 2 into a fish tank in Wuhan’s Huanan Mkt, or into the Gatorade at the Wuhan Games, but he/they couldn’t have gotten every governmental health authority from Newfoundland to New Caledonia to close their economies and incarcerate their citizens in a coordinated reaction to his crime.

    The people who command the political and economic resources to influence/control international bodies are where one has to look to find the guilty parties. Even more astonishing than their success is that there exist persons of such power as to achieve global objectives.

    Here’s the sort of useful idiot they bend to their objectives…

    “One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of Gods selection process for planet earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”
    Barbara Hubbard – Futurist: Task Force Delta

    Were I an “Evil Genius”, I’d like that sort of megalomaniacal thinking in an underling. To the extent it can be bent and harnessed to my own agenda, I’d lend it the resources to explore its possibilities.

    • Replies: @Alden
  243. Schuetze says:
    @brabantian

    Clearly across the entire planet the media, the bankers, the politicians, the legal systems, even “science” are all singing the same tune. We hear a steady stream of “Lockdown”, “Social distance”, “Wear the mask”, “take the jab”, and “Vaccine passport will set you free”. This is synchronized across all nations, languages and religions.

    Gutle Schnapper Rothschild famously stated “if my sons did not want war there would be none”. Today we can paraphrase this to be “if the Rabbis did not want a covid plandemic there would be none”.

    What the planet is suffering from is the jew-flu.

  244. @Trinity

    We used to have to climb ropes in physical education, I guess that one is gone as well.

    It used to be pretty entertaining to watch how the fat kids in class could only get six inches up the rope. Now half the the class is too fat to get more than six inches up the rope so it is an extremely inefficient use of school time.

  245. Rubicon says:

    We don’t think you should cast your eye on China being the ultimate force that unleashed Covid on the world.
    Instead, use common sense with an understanding of how the US and has gone about destroying so many nations in the world using just their Financial Weaponry AND it’s Military.

    Look back at Tiannniman Square, the horrible pig disease and many other “viruses” China has had in the last few years.

    HOW MANY of those disasters happening in China occurred by happenstance, or by the whims of politics & its economy?

    We few Americans have become deeply skeptical towards the US’s, almost Satanic grasp for power in the last 80+ years. From WWI AND WWII – destroying Great Britain’s empire, to holding Western Europe in a financial trap we now call the EU. Ditto with massive destruction against much of Latin America, parts of Asia (Viet Nam/Cambodia), the Middle East, and what they did to Russia before President Putin arrived on the scene of massive capitalist thievery.

    These are just a few examples of the US’s hegemonic power. All across the world for these many decades, billions of people in Africa, and elsewhere have been humiliatated or murdered under the US Terror Program.

  246. Alden says:
    @Harold Smith

    Lol you cited NPR. You must be a liberal.

    • Troll: Harold Smith
  247. HT says:
    @Harold Smith

    Except there were no impeachable crimes by Trump in Syria. The reality is China could influence the election only by creating some massive crisis in America. A pandemic was the easiest way for them to do that. And they knew whatever they did the media would instinctively pile on Trump blaming him for every negative thing related to it. And Democrats made the pandemic worse than it was by shutting down the country and doing massive damage to the economy. It was a bold operation by the Chi-coms but they knew the traitorous Democrats and media would make it work. The Bolshevik Democrats would have literally destroyed the country to remove Trump from office.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  248. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    If there was any evidence that the US was behind a plot against China, wouldn’t the Chinese have run with it and try to expose it as widely as possible? It would be to their benefit. China would be off the hook and the US(belligerent toward China under Trump) would be on the moral defensive.

    This sort of argument has often come up, but the overwhelming control America has over the global media would mean that any sort of Chinese accusations (especially given their lack of hard proof) would be portrayed as “insane.” Remember how Trump reacted when that Chinese official simply pointed out that 300 American military servicemen had been visiting Wuhan just before the outbreak occurred.

    Here’s some additional evidence from a comment I made a week or two ago:

    Proof of this comes from past cases. As I pointed out in my original article, for decades it’s been admitted that the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” was just a hoax, but every year all the MSM outlets still run stories about it, so everyone still thinks it actually happened, including a certain fraction of Western-oriented Chinese people, not to mention Chinese living in the West.

    Similarly, it’s perfectly well established that NATO deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999, with one NATO officer even bragging that they hit the exact room targeted, but since the American MSM said otherwise, everyone here believed it was an accident.

    I covered all of this in my original April 2020 article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    As I’m sure many commenters here know from the crazy Russiagate nonsense, if you totally control the mainstream media, you can get people to believe the most ridiculous things.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  249. Blaming the Wuhan lab is a diversion to give credence to the scam and psyop and China is in on the psyop as is the ZUS and Russia and ZBritain and every country that has a zionist owned central bank, this a zionist controlled psyop and a zionist controlled genocide and only the zionist via their central banks had the power to roll this scam and psyop all over the world.

  250. lysias says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Rand Paul’s father Ron Paul is also a doctor. He used to be an Air Force flight surgeon.

  251. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    The furin cleavage site on the spike protien is not seen in any other corona viruses. It makes covid 19 a more easily spread contagion. Some say this could have only been done through genetic modification via gain-of-function style research like Anthony Fauci underwrote with a NIH grant to the Wuhan Labratory. A scenario like the pandemic was speculatively wrote about in 2017 by Johns Hopkins called the “spars” pandemic. You can download the Pfd file and read about it. Bill Gate’s foundation is John Hopkins’ biggest benefactor. The spike protiens, early vaccine, masks, vaccine passports and other eerie simularities were all described in the 2017 paper. Crystal ball?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @utu
  252. @Blade

    The only way for any Jew to escape from the curse of Judaism, to cease being a Jew, is to formally adopt a different religion. But for an analytical thinker to convert to any religion in the post-religious era of modern physics is … close to impossible.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Blade
  253. Sean says:
    @Yee

    What people think about Chinese is that they are preoccupied with making money

    https://allyouneedisbiology.wordpress.com/tag/sexual-enhancement/

    Poachers make them a hole in the gallbladder and let it drip in order to extract the bile. This heinous practice is still legal in China

    It was only with great difficulty that America the other year got the merciless CCP mandarins in in Beijing to make manufacture of Fentanyl a regulated activity, so we ought not be surprised at their vile practices with helpless mammals.

    Thank you for explaining that Tiger penis Soup” is has nothing to do with remedying the sexual shortcomings of Chinese men. You know about rhinos but here is a picture of a pangolin’s snout from a 2014 CNN article entitled The most trafficked mammal you’ve never heard of

    The Pangolin is the only mammal with scales, they are made of keratin which is the same substance as rhino horn. Horny Goat Weed indeed!

  254. Ron Unz says:
    @Admiral Assbar

    Ron, the reports that US defense intelligence knew of the outbreak back in October or November is one of your strongest supports. However, I think this is entirely consistent with a lab leak in Wuhan origin for the outbreak.

    We’ve learned more and more recently (see Sen. Paul’s grilling of Fauci) that the US was heavily involved in funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. Indeed, it seems that much of this research was only relocated to Wuhan because the Obama administration put a moratorium on GOF research.

    I strongly disagree. I don’t watch TV, so I didn’t see Rand’s “grilling” of Fauci, but I think all those facts about America’s financial support for the GOF research at the Wuhan lab have been well-known almost since the beginning. I believe I came across them eight or nine months ago, and I was hardly someone pursuing that particular angle. Obviously, lots of people prefer YouTube videos to written articles, but facts are facts.

    All we have is that America (via that Daszak fellow) was providing financial support to the Wuhan research, and some of the Wuhan researchers were long-time scientific collaborators with top American researchers. As far as I know, there wasn’t a single American working in the lab, so it seems very unlikely our DIA would have discovered a lab-leak before anyone in the Chinese scientific community or government. Turning things around, how likely is it that Chinese Intelligence would have discovered a lab-leak at Ft. Detrick months before anyone in our own government found out?

    Anyway, dangerous lab-leaks happen all the time. The Nicholson Baker book describes many American ones over the years, involving quite a few deaths. Yet none of those leaks became “cataclysmic” viral outbreaks which is what the secret DIA report described in November…many weeks before anything like that was actually happening.

    Also, the DIA claims that they discovered the huge Wuhan outbreak using electronic means such as satellite photos, which is *utterly* ridiculous for the “second week of November.” So according to your theory, the DIA analysts were anyway lying about their source of information.

    Don’t forget that starting in April 2020, Trump, Pompeo, and our other leaders were publicly promoting the lab-leak theory and boasting that they had very strong intelligence proving that it was true. Yet no evidence was ever revealed? Why not? Probably because it was just the Iraqi WMDs all over again, and they would have looked totally ridiculous and destroyed themselves.

    And you still haven’t explained how a random Wuhan lab-leak almost immediately jumped to the over side of the world to infect the top Iranian political elites in the Holy City of Qom.

    Anything is possible, but once we conclude that the virus was artificially created, the weight of the evidence overwhelmingly favors the biowarfare attack theory, probably by the Deep State Neocons, over the random lab-leak hypothesis.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Sean
    , @anon
  255. Alden says:
    @Erebus

    Some questions

    If the elites of the elites are so against China, why have they spent the last 45 years moving so much American business to China and poorer parts of Asia.? And why have they overwhelmed American universities and colleges with foreign Chinese students? And why is the medical dental and veterinary professions so Chinese that in some parts of the country it’s difficult to find a natural born medic ?

    Why did the Council on Foreign Relations, other well endowed think tanks , most elite university professors and those public intellectuals who wrote for New Republic The Nation Atlantic, all the quality magazines lobby for “Recognition of Red China” as it was called from 1948 till the late 1970s?

    I read those magazines when I was young. Recognize Red China Recognize Red China constantly.

    My observation from their magazines college text books conferences speeches is that the elites want America to be very very close to China.

    • Replies: @frontier
  256. lysias says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Why is it impossible to convert to Buddhism?

  257. @Sean

    Your slimy race-hatred and Sinophobia is a psychological disease. You need treatment.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  258. lysias says:
    @Sean

    Like Americans are not preoccupied with making money?

  259. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Let us say that the US discovered that China had deliberately manufactured and used the Covid-19 virus to try and reduce America to second rate power with a pandemic. America survived but could not just sit their waiting to the next attack, could it? China does not believe the US had aything to do with the pandemic, because otherwise they would be a small war in South Korea ECT. Ways would be found to discourage America’ s Deep State or a cabal within it from allowing any future bioweapon attack on China. The Chinese could simply announce the name the likely leading members of the cabal, who would not be obscure personages, and threaten that unless they were removed from influence WW3 was inevitable. Or, China could assassinate them. Doing nothing at all would not be an option.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  260. @anon

    The furin cleavage zone insertion was noted over a year ago, yet was totally ignored by the so-called ‘experts’. As with so much in this sinister operation, it can only be carried out with total collaboration from the presstitute vermin. If we survive, and some sort of justice is dealt out, I’d love to see hundreds, at least, propaganda thugs facing their just desserts.

  261. @Ron Unz

    The likeliest part on the UFOs is that “our glorious regime” needs a new permanent enemy, and also an excuse to slowly release the technology they’ve had access to for a while without the people mass rioting. I mean, aliens have existed forever, but if it was a “war” scenario, we would have been blasted and colonized ages ago. So, now the “truth” can come out. Aliens are real, and we should all become good slave-soldiers and give our all to battle them, etc.

  262. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    This sort of argument has often come up, but the overwhelming control America has over the global media…

    America has control over the global media? Who knew!

  263. Ron Unz says:
    @lysias

    The Hollywood movie “Contagion”, which seems designed to prepare the public for a covid-like event, was released in 2011. The movie’s Wikipedia page says planning began in 2009. Can this date’s proximity to the World Financial Collapse be just a coincidence?

    I’m skeptical. Although it’s not as close a match, the Andromeda Strain was probably even higher-profile, and it came out over 50 years ago. Jack London’s The Scarlet Plague appeared in 1912. And don’t forget all those Zombie movies or the very popular Resident Evil video games and films that began in the mid-1990s. I think biological plagues have been pretty popular in fiction and other entertainment for a very long time.

    It’s like with Bill Gates and others “warning” people about the dangers of an epidemic for decades. Eventually, those warnings sometimes come true.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @lysias
  264. @Anonymous

    China didn’t act as if it was hiding something. You’ve swallowed the Western propaganda line, lock, stock and stinking barrel.

  265. Anon[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Can’t believe you know about Resident Evil: are serious physicists and software writers supposed to? :))

  266. ebear says:

    “As of April 2020, there are 440 operable power reactors in the world…. Additionally, there are 55 reactors under construction and 109 reactors planned…. while 329 more reactors are proposed. ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_reactors

    A thought experiment:

    If the intent of the virus/vaccine(s) is to reduce world population by a factor of ~15 (7.8 B to 500M as per some sources) then who is going to operate these reactors (or shut them down safely) if the number of nuclear workers is reduced by the same factor?

    Consider the population of Pripyat, a town purposely built to support the power plant and related research, which was 50,000 prior to the Chernobyl meltdown. Obviously not everyone was a nuclear worker, but many were, and many others had jobs that supported that activity. Now divide that number by 15. That’s less than 4000 people, and that’s saying nothing of the social impact of losing that many people in a short time frame.

    Now extrapolate to all the other nuclear reactors, and while we’re at it, lets throw in the global energy, mining and manufacturing nexus, and for good measure all the universities and research institutions supporting that. How will any of that function if the population of necessary workers is reduced by a factor of 15?

    [MORE]

    Clearly we won’t need the capacity, but that misses the point. Scientific and technological advancement is NOT linear in relation to population. 1000 researchers can come up with a solution to a given problem, whereas 100 or 10 might find it a bit challenging, especially when they lack the support of the various industries and services needed to maintain operations.

    We owe our present state of knowledge almost entirely to the fact that we have a large global population, of which significant numbers are engaged in scientific research and engineering. If you reduce the population to 10%, you will completely undermine that cohort who will no longer be able to function, and all scientific progress will grind to a halt.

    Thus far the Pandemic ™ has reduced the world’s population by exactly ZERO, and yet the effect of the restrictions imposed (justified or not) has already resulted in massive economic dislocation, the best example of which is the current shortage of microchips and its impact on manufacturing.

    Of course population reduction of this magnitude doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The social impact is entirely unpredictable, but it’s safe to say that widespread irrationality and religious fervour would be one of the outcomes, along with the collapse of most pubic security agencies and a resulting lawlessness that will render most cities uninhabitable by all but the criminally insane.

    For these reasons I reject the population reduction thesis, and in particular the Georgia Guidestone versions. To imagine the elites can’t apply the same reasoning as I just did, is completely ludicrous. But suppose it’s true, and as alleged, the vaccine is the mechanism. OK then…. which one? There’s a dozen or more out there and not all are genetic modifiers. That leaves the Russians and perhaps Chinese still standing after we reduce only the western population by the above factors? How likely is that?

    The one thing that stands out about this pandemic (if it’s even that) is the absurdity of the responses. Yes, information is being suppressed, and for reasons we can only speculate on, but the response thus far is the exact opposite of what scientific reasoning demands. Starting with a premise, then back-filling it with supporting data while ignoring or minimizing contrary data is not good science – not even good detective work. That all this is happening in an environment of intentional disinformation (one of the few reasonable conclusions that can be made) only serves to further muddy the waters.

    My suggestion to everyone involved is to take a giant step back and examine your premises. We are not at the point where we can construct testable theories, and we may possibly be on the wrong track altogether. I’ve seen plenty of speculation based on bio-warfare scenarios, accidental or intentional, but very little discussion of the psychological impact taking place, especially as it involves children. It’s entirely possible that psychological warfare is being waged using the pandemic as cover, in which case the virus and vaccines are simply part of a larger strategy.

    Or it could all just be one giant clusterfuck brought on by the vanity, hubris and overconfidence of humanity in general – a situation I find more likely than most of the theories on offer to date. Under that rubric, what appears to be nefarious activity is nothing more than opportunists taking advantage post-facto of the situation to advance their own personal agendas.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  267. utu says:
    @anon

    The furin cleavage site on the spike protien is not seen in any other corona viruses.

    Yes, that is what we have heard:

    The role of furin cleavage site in SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-mediated membrane fusion in the presence or absence of trypsin (June 2020)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-020-0184-0

    Coincidentally, phylogenetic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 identified an insertion of RRAR (FCS) at the S1/S2 site of SARS-CoV-2-S, which is absent in SARS-CoV and other SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs), particularly RaTG13, which has 96% identity of its genomic sequence to that of SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 1b and Supplementary Fig. S1). Therefore, it has been speculated that this unique FCS may provide a gain-of-function, making SARS-CoV-2 easily enter into the host cell for infection, thus efficiently spreading throughout the human population, compared to other lineage B betacoronaviruses.

    But here they say that furin cleavage occurred naturally in many viruses.

    Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses (Jan 2021)
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165

    Surprisingly, SARS-CoV-2 has the furin recognition motif at S1/S2, causing by a 12-nucleotide insertion not presented even in its closest relatives (Walls et al., 2020, Coutard et al., 2020). This stimulates a conspiracy that this furin site can only be manual work, thus SARS-CoV-2 must be created in a laboratory. Here, we analyzed the sequences of coronaviruses and found furin sites occurred independently for multiple times during evolution. This exhibits natural occurrence of furin cleavage site in SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is highly possible. Thus, the insertion of furin cleavage site into SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is not necessarily a result of manual work.

  268. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    https://www.organicconsumers.org/blog/dr-coronavirus-hunter-ralph-baric-preparing-us-pandemic-or-putting-us-peril-one

    As André Leu recently reported for Organic Consumers Association, Baric’s work on the coronavirus team began in 2001. That’s when he assembled a full-length mouse coronavirus—and then removed all the inserts that showed that the virus had been genetically engineered.

    The following year, for the first time, a coronavirus jumped from animals to humans, causing a worldwide outbreak that resulted in 8,000 cases and nearly 800 deaths{…] On May 25, 2020, after the emergence of COVID-19, Baric was interviewed by North Carolina Public Radio. In the interview, he was asked this:

    “There is a controversy about the laboratory in Wuhan, China. Do they have the kind of safety precautions that you have at the University of North Carolina, and do you have any thoughts about whether this virus was a natural bat-to-human transfer? Or was there something a little bit more, perhaps, insidious involved?”

    Baric responded:

    “Well, of course, the answers to those questions are in China and it’s very difficult to imagine that anyone else would know the answer to that question except for people in China.

    • Replies: @utu
  269. @MLK

    None of the usual tools — including Occam’s Razor — will help. Grand conspiracies aren’t puzzles that can be solved.

    the devil isn’t in the details when it comes to high level conspiracies because they are phenomena in motion.

    Perceptive comment. We tend to promote the razor in explanations of natural phenomena because we sense that natural laws are simple and because in many cases we have found them to be so.

    That is not the case in conspiracies where the razor is strictly a methodological prescription that is sometimes weaponized to discount theories we may not like or that may implicate our side of the conflict. We all know of cases where the conspirators game thing out in exquisite detail. It doesn’t even have to be illegal. Just look at the strategy that goes into winning a sports contest, with all its levels of feints, deception and double crosses. The legal record of court cases involving conspiracies says the same thing.

    Conspirators do make mistakes, however. Documents may be leaked. Your candidate for president may forget which details he was supposed to keep secret. That is often where the truth comes out.

  270. frontier says:
    @SZ

    “A dazzling claim by a high level Israeli official… contending that aliens have been in contact with Israel and the US for years, but are keeping themselves a secret to prevent hysteria until humanity is ready”

    LOL In the last 30 years we had many hysterical wars and attacks, hysterical riots, BLM, ISIS and pandemics, all the while the aliens were trying to “prevent hysteria”? On top of that, the two countries selected by the aliens, both suffered and inflicted most of said hysteria. That doesn’t make any sense, does it?

    • Replies: @SZ
  271. Trinity says:
    @Sean

    Damn, that Sun Bear should have been on the list of animals who humans think they can beat. That is a vicious sum beetch. Take a look at those claws. Imagine those things ripping your guts out. Yet probably half the humans surveyed would probably believe they could take that critter. I had to laugh at all the commenters and those surveyed who believed that they could beat an adult male chimpanzee. Of course what do you expect. We have people who DID BELIEVE that (((covid))) came from bats and you all know who you are. hehe. I still say sumtin was fishy about good ole Professor Lieber ( what a name, huh) and those 2 Chinese dudes, but then again I am viewing this shit show from the cheap seats.

    Yep, you could say all those who believe they could take out an adult male chimp with their bare hands are to be taken as seriously as those who believe the official narrative of 9-11, covid-19 and UFOs. All these cats and/or humans are literally bat shit crazy, no pun intended of course. All four groups belong with the flat earthers.

  272. utu says:
    @Sean

    That’s when he assembled a full-length mouse coronavirus—and then removed all the inserts that showed that the virus had been genetically engineered.

    Surprisingly accurate for organicconsumers.org.

    Systematic Assembly of a Full-Length Infectious cDNA of Mouse Hepatitis Virus Strain A59. (10.1128/JVI.76.21.11065-11078.2002)

    Boyd Yount, Mark R. Denison, Susan R. Weiss, Ralph S. Baric
    https://jvi.asm.org/content/76/21/11065.short

    Seven contiguous cDNA clones that spanned the 31.5-kb MHV genome were isolated. The ends of the cDNAs were engineered with unique junctions and assembled with only the adjacent cDNA subclones, resulting in an intact MHV-A59 cDNA construct of ∼31.5 kb in length. The interconnecting restriction site junctions that are located at the ends of each cDNA are systematically removed during the assembly of the complete full-length cDNA product, allowing reassembly without the introduction of nucleotide changes.

    • Replies: @Sean
  273. frontier says:
    @Dumbo

    I haven’t read Mr. Unz full 17,000,000 words on the subject.

    Isn’t that the truth… LOL.

    “The theory that it was done to hurt China or Iran doesn’t hold much water, it seems to me that a more likely explanation was that it was released on purpose globally to cause social, economic and legal changes.”

    The destruction of the American way of life and culture together with the brazen attack on the American political tradition, from institutions, to statues, to financial system… all of this is indeed the elephant in the room. Tucker Carlson blames the Democrats for it but both parties are clearly playing their roles to the same destructive ends. Color me pessimistic but I don’t think this is going to be discussed on this site in any viable manner. BTW, placing Iran and China on a leash, doesn’t contradict the above goal.

  274. @HT

    Except there were no impeachable crimes by Trump in Syria.

    ROTFL!

    • Replies: @HT
  275. Blade says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I got along very well with the Jews I know, not all were atheists. Was just curious about Unz’s reasoning.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  276. anonym25 says:
    @Anonymous

    China was avoiding starting a conflict over this. First of all, China had to prove it was a deliberate attack on its soil, something difficult to prove and difficult to enforce reparations. Also, China was in a better economic position overall and was also able to contain the virus quickly by showing a great mobilization of resources and human organizational skills. She only needed to refrain from creating an issue over this and ride out the pandemic quietly in order to come out even stronger than before. China was the only major economy to record a positive GDP growth in 2020 in spite of lockdowns implemented worldwide.

    I guess the Chinese were trying to show off that their system was better suited to combat this type of crisis than that of the West, something the West had to begrundgingly accept after touting China’s demise at the beginning of 2020 when they playfully declaring that it was China’s Chernobyl Moment. Of course, this whole Covid19 affair turned out to be a huge blowback and something had to be done to level the playing field with China. Thus they started this whole anti-China psyop to paint it as the ultimate evil that threatening the “rule-based order” imposed by the US.

    However, China is not totally off the hook as they played along with this narrative in order to keep appearances. Now, since the smearing campaign China was successful, China finds itself cornered and encircled from every part. The narrative has shifted from the virus comes from a natural reservoir to it was accidently leaked in a Wuhan lab, which means this would enable hostile nations to China to exert even more pressure over her even though she was a victim in this whole affair. Also they failed to recognize Trump as a circumstantial ally in all this as he had asked personally to let a US team of scientist start an earnest investigation in early january 2020. They told him politely to back off which threw Trump into a rage as he saw his reelection campaign being seriously threatened. And never mind that US was woefully unprepared to cope with an event of such magnitude.

  277. aj54 says:

    I believe the plandemic, much like other large scale atrocities, exists at the center of a Venn diagram of overlapping interests. Bill Gates ego, the WHO desire for relevance in the first world, the WEF Great Reset to shut down economies, the UN perennial grasping for power, the lust of the big pharma companies for another perpetual revenue stream, big media, big military budgets, etc

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  278. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Contagion”regards the CDC and the WHO as saviors, and keeps preaching “Follow the science”. But what clinches the matter for me is the Jude Law character, presented as the equivalent of a covid skeptic, who, it turns out, was just in it for the money, promoting a bogus cure and ending up being arrested for securities fraud. Whereas the true solution is a vaccine produced by the CDC and WHO.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  279. @Rahan

    I never view the news on US major TV network or read the news in any US mainline newspaper but READ and digest the Unz Review —-a good site for what major news should be —-editorials both pro and con and representing “we the people” and giving us “food for thought”—Ron Unz is to be commended and all opinions presented —-never fails to impress—–Unz is super !!!

  280. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I’m sensing mild resentment. This isn’t really about the Chinese with you, is it? What would Jung say about that?

  281. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “Gomez—the USA graduates in its mainstream—polly science –lawyers –hedgefund managers–communication alerters—psychologists –sociologists whereas China graduates English literate Engineers ( Mechanical, Electrical, Civil) Computer programmers, Mathematicians, Statisticians, Chemists, Physicists and Biologists —-4 million this year??” and with this I told Firpo Zhybyski that US plays sports in addition to the above……football-basketball -track and field and those black athletes—-are awesome.

  282. Skeptikal says:
    @aj54

    Makes a lot of sense.

    “Made it happen” vs. “Let it happen” is perhaps academic at this point. The hypotheses are interesting, and relevant, but the origins of the virus/p(l)andemic can’t really explain most of the responses we have seen and are experiencing and will experience. We know society hit an iceberg and the side of the vessel was ripped open; now society need to man lifeboats (in addition to trying to figure out where the navigation went wrong).

    Regardless of who started this sh–show and has opportunistically used it to push an agenda or make a buck, civil society must figure out how to push back and save itself.

    Interesting interview between Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Eileen Natuzzi.

    [MORE]

    https://player.fm/series/rfk-jr-the-defender-podcast/contact-tracing-and-vaccine-safety-with-dr-eileen-natuzzi

    It is long and the first part has a lot of chatting, so you can skip that.
    Start listening at ca. 00:20:00. If really short of time listen to the last 30 mins.

    She is very experienced, has been on the covid frontlines and thus has a lot of important observations about how this pandemic has played out in the populations she serves, plus she knows how to read medical papers and is not afraid to dive in when she see questionable material. Also a lot of good info on the CDC, specifically the different ways it has (1) failed to use systems in place to collect important data and (2) has become suddenly unresponsive in the face of evidence of adverse reactions. She says the figures for adverse effects are actually 1 in 40, not 1 in 100,000. She is completely against “vaccinating” young people and children, and clearly explains why they are more susceptible to severe adverse reactions to vaccines, which they don’t even need.

    One problem is that Kennedy has a very hoarse voice and one often has to listen hard.
    But IMO very worthwhile.

  283. Easy Pete says:
    @Rahan

    How would you or any of us know?

  284. Sean says:
    @utu

    Then Baric showed the Bat Lady how to do it and she was funded by million of US taxpayers dollars to do work in Wuhan with goodness knows what laxness.The Fifth Risk of Trumpian ignorance and xenophobia turned out to be mild by comparison with American disease control civil servants and tenured professors keen to foster international cooperation for the good of the whole wide world. I suppose we now know how the containment of Superintelligence will go in the hands of these apparatchiks, many of whom are of foreign origin as Lewis eulogizes about in his book.

    • Replies: @utu
  285. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Blade

    Find the glasses. You will be scared shitless.

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  286. naill says:
    @Levtraro

    Perhaps the Chinese are just lying and they knew of the outbreak before DIA knew? Then an American spy inside the Chinese government got info about the outbreak and passed it to the DIA?

    Note this, from Ron Unz: After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment.

    I can’t imagine the report being officially denied if the DIA were getting second hand information. They would probably have backed it up by saying from ‘anonymous sources’

  287. naill says:
    @nsa

    I would call this a good example of an incoherent brain damaged, brain dead rant.

  288. utu says:
    @Sean

    “Baric showed the Bat Lady” – Probably true. She is 10 years younger than him. They published papers together in 2015. They generated chimeric virus together in 2015 during the moratorium for the GoF research;

    A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence (November 2015)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.

    30 March 2020 Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.

    This raised some objections:

    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research (November 2015)
    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-%201.18787

    “But Baric and others say the research did have benefits. The study findings “move this virus from a candidate emerging pathogen to a clear and present danger”, says Peter Daszak, who co-authored the 2013 paper. Daszak is president of the EcoHealth Alliance, an international network of scientists, headquartered in New York City, that samples viruses from animals and people in emerging-diseases hotspots across the globe.”

    Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate (Nov 2015)
    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

  289. dimples says:

    “According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. ”

    It’s possible that these reports of alleged intelligence reports became somewhat distorted in the transmission process. For example DIA informants in the WIV became aware that a highly infectious and genetically modified virus (ie with added furin cleavage site) had leaked out of containment. The informants or DIA analysts used the word ‘cataclysmic’ in reference to the likely outbreak scenario, as laboratory employees had already been infected and disappeared. The misreporting in transmission has turned this into a cataclysmic public outbreak that was already occurring, but for which it appears there is no actual evidence.

    Mr Unz has made a valiant attempt at an alternative theory for which he surely deserves praise, but it doesn’t seem to fit both rationality and evidence.

    1. If the military games were deliberately infected by the plotters, outbreaks would occur simultaneously all over the world as infected participants returned home.

    2. The games infection scenario occurs too early for the actual outbreak.

    3. Although the US is a greatly perfidious nation, I really find it hard to believe that they would attempt to hit China with a bioweapon. For what purpose? It doesn’t create greater spending for the USMIC, which is the major purpose of all US warmongering, regardless of Jews. It has no strategic advantage, the US being a major customer of Chinese manufacturing and still will be after the epidemic has passed. The new cold war being beat up by the trusted media assets doesn’t really depend on the epidemic and would have occurred anyway.

    4. US government and elites have been reluctant to classify the virus as a lab leak from the beginning, the trusted media outlets heavily preferring the zoonotic theory of origin. It is only now, 18 months later, that certain writings are beginning to alter this stance.

    5. The Iranian connection is co-incidental. I believe China has many fingers in pies in Iran, so travel by infected Chinese likely occurred early on.

    6. Lastly, the plotters would have to be mega-dumb to believe they could protect the US from blowback via viral infection. Now the US deep state is evil, but that mega-dumb I’m not convinced. After all it planned and executed 911 to perfection, and that was a complex exercise involving large amounts of people over a long period of time. So it stretches belief that the same types would not take steps to ENSURE that viral blowback could not occur as it is the FIRST thing you would have to deal with in planning. But if you want to say that it was a rogue group of just a few people, well anything can happen but where is the evidence for this.

  290. naill says:
    @Emslander

    They may have been open about the warmongering but were quick to block all information on the virus outbreak in the US

    “We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

  291. utu says:
    @Skeptikal

    “How would you apply your three-tier analysis to it? I thought that you would wrap up your comment with such an analysis, but the post ended without it.” – Frankly I do not know. Perhaps it is not applicable here. Perhaps the Tier 1 was not anticipated. Only Tier 3 of disgusting Chinese who eat disgusting food kept in unhygienic conditions was floated from the very beginning. Tier 2 emerged with the theories of lab leak by sloppy and incompetent Chinese but it does not invoke malice. The Tier 1 must include intent and malice. I guess Ron Unz hypothesis belongs to Tier 1 truth category.

    • Replies: @utu
  292. HT says:
    @Harold Smith

    So let me get this straight. The Bolshevik Democrats literally invented reasons to impeach Trump twice but according to you they actually missed “real” impeachable offenses related to Syria? Wow, you should have called Nancy Pelosi and let her know.

    • LOL: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  293. Yee says:

    Sesn,

    “The Pangolin is the only mammal with scales, they are made of keratin which is the same substance as rhino horn. ”

    So is your fingernail.

    I’m waiting for the CNN to do a piece on American’s “vile practices with helpless mammals”.

  294. Refl says:
    @blaster

    My mother is 94 and grew up in Holland with typhus, cholera, polio, TB etc.. Both her parents died of TB. She thinks the people in her assisted living facility are silly and cowards. She wants to see here children and grandchildren who she cannot. She knows that she can die. I want to be as brave as my mother

    I feel ashamed by the idea that the old people who are left to die in isolation in their care homes across Europe under the pretense that they are supposed to be “saved” this way are the very last survivors of WWII and thus the last who could teach todays generation what a real crisis looks like.
    This is all so ridiculous and pleinly evil that after a year of COVID gaga I am even tired of shaking my head. The lie has been there for a year now and they are still mounting one unbelievable absurdity on top of the other. Get it into your heads that this is the world war of our time, and yes, the bioweapon storyline is but one layer of the onion structure of this admirably constructed psyop.

    • Agree: Ever Becoming
  295. ziggurat says:

    Per one report, there was a drop in cellphone activity around the Wuhan lab in October.

    … there was no cellphone activity in the high-security portion of the Wuhan Institute of Virology from October 7 through October 24

    https://www.ibtimes.sg/coronavirus-did-wuhan-lab-shutdown-october-cellphone-data-fuels-conspiracy-44690

    Has this report been debunked yet? If not, then this is some evidence of an accidental lab leak.

  296. utu says:
    @utu

    Another take. I have rethought it and modeled it on my Iraq 2003 Three Tiers example. Keep in mind that Tier 3 and Tier 2 narratives are there to keep the truth of the Tier 1 unreachable.

    Tier 3 is for the masses to vilify the Chinese. It is either the disgusting Chinese who eat disgusting food kept in disgusting conditions in disgusting wet markets or those sloppy and incompetent Chinese who caused the lab leak and then covered it up because they are immoral and evil godless communists.

    Tier 2 is for more savvy conspiratorially minded who seek their truth. For them it would be a conspiracy of powerful hidden powers who want to take advantage of us and subjugate us by remaking the world, global reset and so on. Note that these hidden powers still need us because they remake the world for us after all. This Tier 2 narratives are strangely empowering because it puts the theorists in a central role as the subject of the hidden powers’ experiment. The hidden powers wouldn’t be doing it if it was not for our existence and possible resistance.

    Tier 1 is for realists who have no illusions left about how the world works. Ron Unz is one of them. For him it was an attack against China by stupid, shortsighted and evil neocons who do not care about us (unlike the hidden powers in the Tier 2) so they are not concerned with blow back consequences whatsoever. They are the destroyers of the world just like Robert Oppenheimer’s ‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds’ except that infinitely more stupid than Oppenheimer.

  297. Ron Unz says:
    @dimples

    Mr Unz has made a valiant attempt at an alternative theory for which he surely deserves praise, but it doesn’t seem to fit both rationality and evidence.

    No, your critique is entirely wrong, and so much so I doubt you even bothered reading any of my analysis. You also come across as a serious dimwit.

    The secret DIA report was 100% accurate. There *was* a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan exactly when the report was produced, except the information was about five or six weeks “early.” The report was allegedly based upon electronic surveillance such as a satellite data. At the time the report was produced, maybe 15-20 people were starting to feel a little sick in a city of 11 million. How would that show up on a satellite. So the analysts producing the secret report were obviously lying about their source of information. Why?

    For a whole year, Trump and Pompeo claimed they had “proof” of the lab-leak. They never revealed it, obviously because they were lying. It’s just the Iraqi WMDs all over again.

    (1) Only a fool would believe that the 300 American servicemen visiting Wuhan were infected with Covid-19. They merely provided cover to slip a couple of operatives in with them, who released the virus, not by sneezing or coughing, but by using a device. I suspect you’ve been reading the stupid theories promoted by incompetent pro-China propagandists.

    (2) The standard MSM timeline of the Wuhan outbreak is that Patient Zero was probably infected in late October or early November. The Military Games ended in late October.

    (3) The obvious purpose was to severely damage China’s economy and society, by spreading the disease throughout the country during Lunar New Year. If you ever bothered reading the newspapers, you’d discover that DC regards China as America’s greatest potential adversary, the only true global rival. China averted that fate by implementing a disease lock-down 1000x times larger than anything in the history of the world.

    (4) The attack was obviously a rogue operation, probably by the Deep State Neocons. None of the MSM was in on the plot and they hated Trump who claimed it was a lab-leak, so they all said it was natural. And if a Chinese lab-leak of an illegal virus were responsible for millions of deaths including many Americans that might mean a global confrontation or even war, which the MSM wanted to avoid.

    (5) If you believe that a random Wuhan lab-leak immediately jumped to the other side of the world to heavily infect Iran’s Holy City of Qom, you’re just as much of a retard as you seem.

    (6) America had avoided any damage from SARS, MERS, and Ebola, so they thought the same thing would happen with Covid-19. They were mistaken. It was a rogue operation, probably involving a handful of plotters, without huge, bureaucratic planning committees and endless strategy meetings.

    • Replies: @Ever Becoming
  298. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Lots of people on the internet are aware of the nonsense you have been trying to push for the last year. In fact, tons of us mostly stopped reading your site since you lost your mind. There is no pandemic.

    [MORE]
    China has felt nothing but POSITIVE impacts since this scam started. All they had to do was put on a show for a month back in dec 2019, and then the entire rest of the world went full retard and imploded their societies. Meanwhile China has been back to business as usual for over a year, and most people there have never even heard of COVID. The idea that a harmless virus that we have to use 40 cycle PCR tests with 99% false positive rates to turn into a pandemic was a bio warfare attack against the one country that has profited from the whole thing is simply moronic.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @cranc
  299. Ron Unz says:
    @ziggurat

    Per one report, there was a drop in cellphone activity around the Wuhan lab in October.

    That claim appeared over a year ago. Several anonymous intelligence sources revealed secret information that allegedly supported the public accusations of President Donald Trump and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo about a Wuhan lab-leak.

    I’m shocked, shocked that anonymous CIA sources would tend to support the claims of the former CIA director.

    Since the story never showed up again, and the data certainly wasn’t publicly released by Trump or Pompeo, it’s probably safe to assume it was a lie or a hoax.

    Obviously anonymous intelligence sources would almost never lie about anything, but this may have been an exception.

    Many of the commenters here are so gullible and dim-witted, I’ll bet they all believed that Trump was actually a Russian agent who won his 2016 race due to Putin’s $10,000 of Facebook ads.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
  300. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Keep in mind that Tier 3 and Tier 2 narratives are there to keep the truth of the Tier 1 unreachable.

    Sure, that’s pretty much been my model of the Covid-19 outbreak from the beginning, except that I’d probably separate out the lab-leak theory as a separate tier, maybe Tier 3b. Frankly, the whole Klaus Schwab/Bill Gates/Great Reset theory always seemed so ridiculous to me I didn’t even put it in a tier.

    • Replies: @utu
  301. @HT

    So let me get this straight. The Bolshevik Democrats literally invented reasons to impeach Trump twice but according to you they actually missed “real” impeachable offenses related to Syria?

    Exactly!

    Wow, you should have called Nancy Pelosi and let her know.

    Of course it wouldn’t have done any good because Pelosi knows as well as I do that Trump’s illegal, immoral and unconstitutional military occupation of Syria and acts of aggression against Syria were impeachable offenses, as do the republicans. The bolshevik democrats obviously “missed” them on purpose.

    https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/donald-trump-and-his-cabinet-could-be-impeached-for-attacking-syria/

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/308193-gop-rep-threatens-impeachment-if-us-troops-killed-in-syria

    • Agree: frontier, acementhead
  302. topanga says:
    @Sean

    It’s understandable why it and similar types of folk medicine are derided as such, since the goal is to suppress their use and stop their production and trade, but bear bile actually isn’t used for sexual enhancement.

    Ursodeoxycholic acid, which is used in mainstream Western medicine, derives from and was first discovered in bear bile. It has medicinal and anti-inflammatory properties, and is used in Western medicine today for certain diseases and conditions.

    Of course the synthetic ursodeoxycholic acid should be promoted to replace the use of bile.

    • Replies: @Sean
  303. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Frankly, the whole Klaus Schwab/Bill Gates/Great Reset theory always seemed so ridiculous to me I didn’t even put it in a tier.” – No, they are perfect for the Tier 2 for the ‘savvy conspirationalists’ who are that savvy that they won’t notice they were fooled. Just like the Iraq oil and Euros of Saddam Hussein made the conspirationalists look the other away and not see the “Yinon Plan”.

    Tier 3 captures 90% by giving a satisfying explanation. Tier 2 satisfies remaining 9% who did not buy Tier 3. The truth of Tier 1 is for the 1% that was not captured by Tier 3 or Tier 2.

    • Replies: @hillaire
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Ron Unz
  304. @lysias

    I think you are providing some support for my proposition that greed is just as thinkable as ideology as motive for setting off a pandemic or pandemic scare.

  305. doubtful says:
    @Skeptikal

    Is mr. Unz, the gatekeeper of this honeypot, obfuscating OR obfuscating? I think the latter, or maybe it seems to appear the former? it apparently is a James Bond inspired youtube video pundit who is obviously not very clear, throwing around conspiracy theories, yada, yada…..
    and therefore thusly taking way too much time away from thorough factual research, WITH sources, at the Corbettreport front. Kudos to you Skeptical, but have you too much patience? I was done a long time ago.

  306. @Ron Unz

    Hmm, maybe I am projecting my own personality into it. As I hold grudges and go for the kill figuratively.

  307. ziggurat says:
    @Ron Unz

    Many of the commenters here are so gullible and dim-witted, I’ll bet they all believed that Trump was actually a Russian agent who won his 2016 race due to Putin’s $10,000 of Facebook ads.

    Ha, ha. Yes, the Russian collusion theory is commonly held, but mostly among left-wingers, who are not common here.

    Personally, your deep-state theory appeals to my deep-state suspicions. Yet, in the interest of keeping the % of my false beliefs to a minimum, I just want to stack up and weigh the best evidence and counter-evidence for each theory.

    I agree that anonymous sources mean nothing in today’s world, if they ever did. Yet, the idea of an accidental lab leak doesn’t seem impossible, even from a competently run lab. Many experts have opposed “gain of function” research out of fear that a lab leak could happen. What’s the strongest evidence against the lab leak?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  308. @utu

    Tucker Carlsen further let the cat out of the bag today. He cranked up the ‘Chinese bio-weapon’ lie yet further, with the preposterous traitor compradore bitch they rolled out months ago, claiming to be a ‘leading Chinese virologist'(and I’m the Pope). Now safely settled in the Free World, I could take about thirty seconds of her ‘the CCP released it to destroy the West etc’. crap, before I switched off.
    This has been coming for a while here in Austfailia. The Murdoch cancer has been running hard with it, and its resident Zionazis have been leading the way. Whether this was the initial plan, or the fall-back once China conquered the plague, I don’t know, but it is plainly being run as a casus belli for a genocidal aggression against China.
    As thermo-nukes will kill us all, it will be bio-warfare. The Chinese might not have sufficient herd immunity to resist a killer app ‘variant’, of which I’m certain Fort Detrick or whatever have many. Perhaps some better tuned as ethnically specific weapons. Then we can all relax and agree that ‘they had it coming’ for attacking us. NOTHING is beyond the Evil that is the West.

    • Agree: Harold Smith, Jazman
    • Troll: Clyde
  309. @ziggurat

    Yeah, and I’ve got some WMD, never used, for sale. I’m sure you’d like to buy some, just as you’ve bought this shite. After decades and decades of concerted lying about EVERYTHING, how is it that people are still so credulous?

  310. @dimples

    ‘ DIA informants in the WIV..’???!!! You imbecile!

    • Agree: acementhead
  311. cranc says:
    @Anonymous

    Unz would designate this interview (below) ‘anti-vaxx’, ‘flu hoaxer’, ‘conspiracy theory’, ‘stupid’, ‘retarded’, and similar.

    [MORE]
    However, this is only because he cannot answer the points made within it, which, when considered, leaves his position untenable. Yeadon makes the point that the provenance of the pathogen, who actually got the virus out of a laboratory and released it is of little practical significance at this point in time. Indeed it could well have been ‘rogue Neocons’ (i.e Israel), or it could be the Chinese, or the two working together, or someone else entirely.
    The point is that considering all the other points of the past years developments, the motive was clearly not ‘an economic attack on China’. That hypothesis, the robotic regurgitation and the transparent straw man arguments in response to contradicting points are nothing more than pure distraction.
    Unz is no longer arguing in good faith. Yeadon is:


    • Replies: @R2b
  312. Alfred says:

    Research by Mr Unz into the origins of this virus is commendable. But like the research into who did 9/11, his conclusions will be buried by the media. It does not help us as individuals to plan our lives.

    The consequences of 9/11 were far more important than the event itself. It was a pretext of destroying many countries – Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria plus a few more that are still intact.

    In a similar way, the consequences of the Covid-19 engineered hysteria are vastly more important than its origins. Here is a video about the vaccines. It is all factual and not at all speculative. It uses official data and statements to devastating effect.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Thanks: GMC
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Mehen
  313. Sean says:
    @utu

    What about the Wall Street bail out of 2008. does that not indicate people there every bit as powerful as the neocons? American bankers’ nexus can pull the strings in matters that concern their own financial bailiwick, and the economy of China is heavily invested in by the big index funds; most of the projected growth in the world economy is Chinese growth and heavy bets have been placed on it continuing. The Chinese economy consists of productive capacity far more than America’s and the kind of things China is making are dissimilar to what production there is in the US. A big hit to China’s production might well be predicted to hurt Wall Street without all than much of a benefit to American manufacturers.

    Tier 3 is for the masses to vilify the Chinese. It is either the disgusting Chinese who eat disgusting food kept in disgusting conditions in disgusting wet markets or those sloppy and incompetent Chinese who caused the lab leak and then covered it up because they are immoral and evil godless communists.

    Tier three seem to be ideal when it involves Chinese traditional culinary and medicinal practices involving the implicated wildlife specifically bats, which is generally acknowledged to be where the virus came from, converging in an natural in Wuhan. I do not see the utility of blaming the Chinese for a lab accident, because that involves conceding the artificially engineered origin of the Covid-19 virus. The question arises: why would an American Deep State conspiracy choose to fake a natural origin in Wuhan, where there was China’s only level 4 biohazard laboratory, which happened to be doing gain of function research on coronaviruses?

    Assuming they had the will an interest group within the American Deep state has a long term strategic motive for attacking China with with a suitable bioweapon. However, Iran seems a ridiculously obvious target for Neocons/ the Israel Lobby. Where is the plausible deniability for neocons/ the lobby and their hirelings like Bolton if they hit Iran along with China? American
    Financial elites’ investment in Chinese growth would mean that devastating the economy of China with a bioweapon would be against the interests of wealthy contributors/ members of the Israel Lobby, and were it to cause a recessions a bioweapon attack on China would raise make US aid to Israel. more difficult to justify.

    I think a bioweapon attack on China would have had to have been ordered by Donald Trump. Only he would dare, and only Trump has hate for China, the independence from Wall Street, and will to use his authority to the fullest–and then some. I think Iran was not central, but included so as to co opt the neocons /lobby, who were possibly only informed of the attacks after the fact. In business Trump’s style was of a predator who broke deals and threatened his partners with ruin if they didn’t go along with him. An analogously huge spectacular coup when he became US President would not be surprising.

  314. Schuetze says:

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/

    First they lower the CT for “breakthrough cases”

    [MORE]

    From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April):

    For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)

    Then the refuse to investigate non critical “breakthrough cases”

    From the [CDC] website:

    As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.

    Just like that, being asymptomatic – or having only minor symptoms – will no longer count as a “Covid case” but only if you’ve been vaccinated.”

    If Covid had originated as a “wild virus” there would be no need for the CDC, NHIS, WHO or any other “science” organization to play all these mind games on humanity. Everything coming out of the mouths of Bull Gates or Fauci is just gaslighting. The blatant and crass way that they keep twisting the narrative simultaneously across the US, UK, EU, Canada, Australia and the entire “west” is proof that the “deep state” is actually the “deep international state”.

  315. R2b says:
    @Stegiel

    Isn’t what they have, is just fragments, that they piece together backwards, as in ”Retrovirus”?

    [MORE]

    They have the result of a self-cleansing process, as I understand it, which is said caused by a ”Virus”?
    And that may be correct, taken the meaning of the word; poison.
    In Polio the poison, among other, may have been DDT.
    So ok, it could be bio-warfare, to create a peak, and that doesn’t contradict WEF/Rockefeller scenario, as far as I can see?
    And who can be sure, they don’t have a bio-weapons Lab?,
    Why, I even think they own them!
    I wonder who will get the last laugh on that one.

  316. naill says:
    @(N-95) Masked Man

    The only PPE that the Chinese would have “vacuumed” up would have been those sold in retail shops. At that stage no one expected the virus to spread outside of china, not Pelosi and certainly not Trump!

    USG and every 5 eye government usually has an emergency stockpile of PPE in some warehouse in preparation for a pandemic. Are you suggesting that they foolishly gave it all away to China ?

    • Replies: @(N-95) Masked Man
  317. hillaire says:

    Where is the ‘evidence’ for any of this, outside of new-speak agit-prop drip fed to the proles?

    Where is the evidence for a virus ?

    [MORE]

    why is everything about this pandemic provably fake ?

    why would you need a bioweapon that doesn’t fucking work any better than the common cold?

    and ahem, show me proof of any so called ‘weaponised’ virus..

    hint: bet ya can’t..

    can you not see that they must have a ‘virus’ to push ‘their’ fake pandemic psy-op.. ‘their’ long planned restructuring of society depends upon this..

    imbeciles love to chatter like chimps in comments sections, they even contradict themselves… like grasshoppers they flit from one useless(?) article to the next.. it seems that they cannot be ‘educated’ but indoctrination, oh yes they soak it up like little sponges yes indeed these little chattering chimps…

    they manage to put all the pieces ‘handed to them’ into the little little jigsaw in their little little imbecilic minds.. and ‘big mother’ pats them on their shiny little bald heads..

    and all of them, every last one of ’em they all have a ‘secret’ rabbi, they just don’t know it..

    now once again in answer to this recurring theme., a riddle that answers what ‘ron unz’ couldn’t..

    One fine day in the middle of the night/Two dead boys got up to fight/Back to back they faced each other/Drew their swords and shot each other

    One was blind and the other couldn’t see/So they chose a dummy for a referee.

    A blind man went to see fair play/A dumb man went to shout “hooray!”

    A paralysed donkey passing by/Kicked the blind man in the eye/Knocked him through a nine inch wall/Into a dry ditch and drowned them all

    A deaf policeman heard the noise/And came to arrest the two dead boys,

    If you don’t believe this story’s true/Ask the blind man he saw it too!

  318. hillaire says:
    @utu

    So where do you ‘lie’ in all of this ?

    ‘tears at teatime ?’

  319. SZ says:
    @frontier

    It does make sense if the former earthlings have the same stem family like most Jewish and Germanic (in the broad definition including all Nordics and Britons) tribes have, and further, are as control freaks as some long lasting Jewish or Germanic family lines are. Perhaps ultra long lasting stability (millions of years) can only be achieved when masters, servants, and slaves are assigned at birth and no movement between the classes is allowed. Or perhaps such a level of control and manipulation creates organised sadism on an industrial scale in which elites become addicted to 1984-style-humiliation of the masses. I am not in a position to judge or to know.

    “Preventing hysteria” is of course a codeword for “continuing unhindered manipulation”. If they out themselves their actions will come under public scrutiny. No one will become hysterical, in fact many leftists and liberals would welcome another form of diversity. The Kerguelen or whatever they call themselves would be classified as former climate refugees or as internally displaced space farers, and the migration industry would welcome them with open arms for ‘resettlement.’

  320. Skeptikal says:
    @utu

    Thanks for the new analysis.

    Question: Who creates/coordinates/promulgates the two false “tiers”?

    Or is this a kind of “hidden hand” process?

    I.e., The two false tiers emerge as a result of processes inherent in the system, or of consistent facets of human nature and motivation?

    One further thought tot he Iraq case, is that the shocking events themselves generate–*over time*—new info breaking to the surface, there for various people to consume and consider. I.e., the time element partly creates the members of different tiers.

  321. nobleart says:

    Ron Unz is to be thoroughly congratulated on his vast amount of intensive research into the real origins of Covid-19. In fearlessly revealing the truth, which has been systematically concealed by the globalists and their corporate media propagandists, he deserves immense gratitude from all of us.

    • LOL: Emslander
  322. Sean says:
    @topanga

    Going for a walk has an anti inflammatory effect, and so does stretching.

    Liver & Gallbladder Based Erectile Dysfunction: Treatment by …https://www.journalofchinesemedicine.com › liver-gallb…
    ABSTRACT The purpose of this article is to demonstrate erectile dysfunction as a possible aetiological manifestation of Liver/Gallbladder zangfu disharmony.

    The theory behind Chinese traditional medicine is holistic, so all sorts of things might be prescribed. Western medicine would say if you want to avoid getting erectile dysfunction avoid inflammation because it is part of the pathway to type II diabetes, which is the most common cause of impotence.

    To cure male impotence and increase libido, a mixture of the fruit of ailanthus-like prickly ash (Zanthoxylum ailanthoides; Shi Zhu Yu) fermented with ox bile for 100 d was prescribed.

    In his old blog years ago Mangan ( a microbiologist) talked about Chinese lab workers and he said in his experience they they were remarkably accident prone. People have said Wade overstated his case regarding the furin cleavage site, but Redfield seems eminently qualified and did not have a dog in the fight as long standing critics of Bat Lady and Baric’s work did.

    On reflection, one has to give the propinquity of the Wuhan lab known to be doing unique gain of function coronavirus experiments to the original Covid-19 outbreak considerable weight. This is a country of 1.4 billion people, I now think a bio error of some kind at the Wuhan Institute of Virology is quite a serious possibility. Doesn’t mean it is true of course because there was circumstantial evidence for HIV having come from polio vacations in Africa inasmuch the areas of the inoculation and where AIDs first appeared almost exactly overlapped. But this never seemed to pan out although the connection had journalistic and some scientific support W. D. Hamilton died on a trip to gather evidence for it. There are always contrarians.

    If it was a US attack, why on earth would it have been done so close to the Wuhan Institute of Virology doing those bat coronavirus experiments in collaboration with US scientist Baric and with an actual grant from the US agencies. That would seem to be an odd connection to be permitted in a an American Deep State operation, because it makes the US government look stupid. Unless, that was a way of getting at the American government agencies by whoever planned it. We know Trump has total contempt for them, and the feeling is mutual because they rigged the good news on vaccinations against him.

    If the neocons/Israel lobby are capable of something like a bioweapon use, then are they the only ones? It seems to me that there once the existence of one such basically Jewish group capable of acting clandestinely and treasonably is admitted. then is becomes difficult to deny other nonJewish conspiratorially capable groups within the Deep State also exist ; it really will not do to assume only Jews are ruthless or can get things done. Would Trump not be Nietzschean enough to have been behind it? His type of patriotism can almost be indistinguishable from nihilism in its lack of moral boundaries, and he is perhaps ignorant enough to think the US would be less affected. I suppose he would want to coopted others into his scheme, so it may not be a small group at all. I still have an huge agent principal problem with getting the government scientists to create something like thi. assuming they could (only Ralph Baric may have had the experience) and then using field agents to distribute it. I wasn’t nerve gas lotion it has to be sprayed on people. and this was China where being caught would not be sunshine and flowers.

    There is a lot of money to be made trafficking pangolins now and that must add to the plausibility of an entirely natural Wuhan origin, because it was s a rich city with high and ever rising profit for less hygienical handling of pangolins. I used to think a natural origin was the default assumption, but now I just don’t know.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  323. Alfred says:
    @Alfred

    Sorry about that. The security on the website messes things up. Here is the link:

    Vaccines You Decide

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Vaccine-You-Decide.mp4

    • Thanks: Skeptikal
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  324. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    Can you please provide a URL for this video?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  325. Catherine says: • Website

    Be careful ! This link :” with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected” in your second quotation leads to a page not to be found

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  326. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Anyway, dangerous lab-leaks happen all the time. The Nicholson Baker book describes many American ones over the years, involving quite a few deaths. Yet none of those leaks became “cataclysmic” viral outbreaks which is what the secret DIA report described in November…many weeks before anything like that was actually happening

    Given that the DIA spreading like wildfire pandemic report having come before any such occurrence in Wuhan demonstrated guilty knowledge of what was about to happen, it also shows that sort of exponential growth was the conspirators’ own pre deployment projection for the expected course of the spread of Covid-19 after the bioweapon was used . How then how could a Deep State conspiracy possibly have deployed it while thinking a pandemic in America as well as China would not be the inevitable result? Chinese and Europeans are not different species.

  327. Tdstype2 says:

    While I admire Ron Unz’s spirit, i believe it is like Chris Hedges saying “it is like mice squeaking against an avalanche”. Fact is in a propaganda war, the one with the loudest loudspeakers win hands down. I bet the ratio of those who end up believing Ron’s version vs the other Wuhan lab version will be something like 1:50, ie no contest. But I appreciate the fight…

  328. @anonymous

    This is a They Live reference?

  329. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, what it is a myth being used to install a lockdown that is an engineered economic depression leading to a one world government by the zionist central banks.

  330. @Ron Unz

    The standard MSM timeline of the Wuhan outbreak is that Patient Zero was probably infected in late October or early November. The Military Games ended in late October.

    Why are you allowed to juxtapose two events on a timeline and imply a causal relationship, while those whom you disagree with are not? You would surely agree that there is no evidence that a “couple of operatives” used a “device” to seed COVID at the Military Games. Yet this is a pillar of your theory.

    None of the MSM was in on the plot

    This is simply absurd. If they were not in on the plot, why didn’t they warn the public about the impending plague? They had two months to raise the alarm while every idiot with a Twitter account or a ZeroHedge handle could see that China was building emergency hospitals as a novel coronavirus disease threatened to spread uncontrollably due to its unprecedented characteristics: high R0 and long asymptomatic transmission period. Furthermore, the virus was depicted in the alt media, in January, as highly morbid, putting 15% of patients on ventilators and killing 3%. ICU overwhelm was a talking point from the beginning, as were mobile incinerators. Yet the MSM refused to raise an alarm, going so far as to impugn Trump’s half hearted attempts to stall the virus. The media escalated their level of concern incredibly swiftly, over the course of a long weekend in March that concluded with Trump declaring a national state of emergency. The newly alarmed media led off their coverage of corona apocalypse with a giant pre meditated lie: that we would only have to stay at home for two weeks to fallen the curve. How you can defend the MSM against the central thesis of your website is utterly baffling. You are a participant in this frog boiling exercise.

    To re iterate my earlier thesis, the MSM had to downplay the threat of the virus for two months for reasons of optics, to give the pandemic enough time to appear to spread naturally from China to the U.S. This is in order to cover up the fact that COVID actually began in the U.S. after breaching containment at Fort Detrick. Once the optics were in place, the MSM began the same fearmongering that started in China in January, using the same statistics then publicly available, predicting the same outcomes (sulfur dioxide plume?) if we did not take the same totalitarian countermeasures.

    That’s more than government incompetence, Ron. Why are you shilling for the MSM?

    • Agree: gay troll
  331. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @ziggurat

    Why don’t you debunk it yourself?

  332. R2b says:
    @cranc

    Very important video.
    There is no pandemic. Definition of that redefined 2009, so that the completely phony PCR-test could be used in this propaganda of fraudulence.

    [MORE]

    No need for masks, or isolation of healthy.
    No assymtomatic contagion.
    So Yeadon draws the only conclusion, that something sinister is behind.
    His reasoning is so crystal clear, that a virus-sceptic even, actually can agree.
    In my opinion, the Wuhan story and a virus as a bio-weapon, is pure nonsense. Supporting it is diverting from the obvious, all that has been written since long in different Rockefeller organisations.

  333. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    That’s a neat schema, but it should not distracts attention from alternative posibilities.

    For instance, depopulation.

    We may yet see a major impact of covid on fertility rates.

    And we have yet to see the effect of the ongoing global pseudovaccination campaign on immune escape, which accelerates the emergence of new variants, of which some are said to have high lethality for young people.

    Another plausible motive is convergence with China’s system of social control, achieved through introduction of vaccine passport, as a consequence of which, to quote Mike Yeadon:

    all individuals [will be] represented in a single, interoperable database as a unique digital ID, accompanied by an editable health-related field. Whoever controls that database, and the algorithms which govern what it permits and denies, has literally totalitarian control of the entire population.

    Then there is the possibility of zero motive, merely an inadvertent lab escape.

    Under the reported circumstances, and in the absence of proof of an alternative explanation, this remains a highly probability.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  334. @ebear

    “We owe our present state of knowledge almost entirely to the fact that we have a large global population, of which significant numbers are engaged in scientific research and engineering. If you reduce the population to 10%, you will completely undermine that cohort who will no longer be able to function, and all scientific progress will grind to a halt.”

    Respectfully, that’s a long debunked socialist theory.

    NJ Berrill countered that succinctly in his book “Man’s Emerging Mind” with:

    “all the springs of worthwhile action have come from individual minds, not from group assemblies” [p. 248]; and,

    “I do not believe you can put a number of human minds together in a room and get anything better than the best of them. . . . The great creations and the great comprehensions, where the monumentally obvious is seen for the first time, are always the products or experiences of individual minds operating alone, free from the intrusion and distraction of other human voices.” [p.256]; and,

    “The collective pool of understanding grows from what is poured into it, but the contributions are those of individuals . . .” [p.285]

    “Groupthink” is a nonexistent concept; a fraud, a lie.

    “A is A; a thing is itself”. – – – Aristotle – – –

  335. @Skeptikal

    I agree. There are too many white collar sociopaths. Why people don’t feel the virus could have been intentionally released shows that they are naive and they have spent none to little time researching what has gone on. The fact check system of Facebook and all the other big media networks lies to the masses. Luc Montagnier and other experienced virologists say the virus was man made and for over one year the media all over the world say it was not true.
    Now we know better. If people had followed Unz Review and many other sources they would easily understand that this virus entering general circulation could easily have been due to the plans of sinister people.
    Gates and Fauci in the past year have said many times that we will be facing pandemics on a regular basis. What is the next big Agenda? Is it Agenda 2025?
    Fauci and Gates and many others are clairvoyant. In 2016 Fauci gave his speech at Georgetown U. where he said we would have a pandemic in the time frame we are living in. Gates and others also have the magic crystal balls to see into the future.
    The virologist that spoke to Tucker Carlson in the past 2 days says that the vaccines may have lasting unknown or deleterious effects on those who received them.
    I am grateful to all the sites especially Unz Review that was investigating this virus outbreak some 15 months ago. I must have gone to a hundred links that their articles gave. Therefore I am also very grateful to those who comment.

  336. Early in the COVID-19 operation, it seemed plausible to me that products of bio-warfare research were being deployed. I drew this conclusion from many considerations, including that so many places are purported to be involved in related experimentation. Plus who knows how many unknown facilities and researchers are involved in pertinent research. Furthermore, the advances in technology related to genetic experimentation have been ‘proliferating’: Many possible sources. Also, there have been many experiments upon and deployments of bio-warfare agents against unwitting victims in the past.

    Understanding that geo-political information put out by mass media, in the West at least, is now overwhelmingly deployed propaganda, or agenda-laden, I noticed that in late January of 2020 Canada’s ‘public’ broadcaster the CBC was obsessing over the – at that time – Wuhan virus. So much so, that for hours on a Saturday evening on the CBC news channel that I was a captive of in a hospital emergency waiting room, virtually the only subjects covered were the virus and Donald Trump bad. This was January of 2020, long before March 11 when the corrupt pharmaceutical lobby organization WHO declared a global pandemic based on … a missing global pandemic.

    To those who argue that there is no virus, or that it’s just a more or less bad/regular flu-like thing, I think that those positions, though understandable and to some extent justifiable, may confuse the issue. First, there may be more than one nasty little creation released; also, what for some is more or less innocuous or not serious, for others may be more dangerous. Furthermore, the longer term results of deployed (nasty) entities are yet to be seen. Some people who have gotten sick with what appears to be some variation of COVID-19 describe their illness as very debilitating.

    So yes there is an enormous amount of psy-op involved, and an avalanche of lies and a vast fog of censorship, but some people have gotten quite sick and have had trouble gaining full recovery.

    For those deploying the weapon, it would be impossible to fully predict the actual real-world health impact of (a) deployed new bio-weapon(s), nor what medical responses might be deployed to defeat or mitigate the bio-weapon.

    I noticed early on that there was a considerable mass media attempt to avoid or slay the notion that the new ‘plague’ entity/entities was/were a bio-weapon(s).

    On the surface, this ‘taboo’ against exploring the bio-weapon deployment possibility made sense for the deploying entity/entities. Throw the people off the scent. Don’t promote mass anger with fear; rather, stoke unfocused fear, justifying medical martial law, and economic turmoil.

    But muting the bio-weapon theme also accommodates what has unfolded in the West: in order to justify the prevention of the use of common and inexpensive prophylactics or cures for the announced new plague, it helped if the bio-weapon theme was muted. If a dreaded new bio-weapon was the message in mass media, of course all already available possible remedies such as hydroxychloroquine and Vitamin D and Ivermectin would be deployed by any responsible government or health authority.

    Also, there was the political context in the US: the desperate need to prevent Trump from a second term would be enhanced by muting the bio-weapon theme. If a declared bio-weapon was threatening the US, extraordinary presidential powers could be more easily be invoked: being attacked creates a rally round the leader response. The more nebulous ‘natural’ nasty bug ‘justified’ election processes that facilitated the steal of the election, without putting wind in Trump’s sails.

    And all the people employed in bio-warfare related research escape censure if the narrative continues to be that they are doing the research for defensive purposes. Moreover, if the enemy was not a terrifying bio-weapon, but merely an aberrant new nasty “natural’ virus, the latter could more plausibly be declared a suitable target for being defeated by new pharmaceutical creations.

    Thus even early in the COVID-19 operation, I encountered local people who had been programmed to wait expectantly for vaccine salvation. And this has reached fever pitch in Canada over the last months, where it is just about impossible to turn on a radio talk show or newscasts with out hearing vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.

    One video pertaining to weird new vaccine results is this one:

    While bio-weapon deployment is plausible, that discussion deflects from the heart of the matter. Here are the introductory words of Prof. Michel Chossudovsky to his detailed examination of the COVID-19 operation, at GlobalResearch.ca.

    We are at the crossroads of one of the most serious crisis in world history. We are living history, yet our understanding of the sequence of events since the beginning of Jan. 2020 are blurred. People have been misled by their governments and the media as to the causes and devastating consequences of this crisis ….

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2020-worldwide-corona-crisis-destroying-civil-society-engineered-economic-depression-global-coup-detat-and-the-great-reset/5730652

    • Thanks: Schuetze
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  337. frontier says:
    @Alden

    My observation from their magazines college text books conferences speeches is that the elites want America to be very very close to China

    Trump’s tariffs actually favored China, compare that to the BS in the media… China is playing the same anti-American game the GOP/Dem alliance is playing. It’s a multi-party version of good cop – bad cop, the squabbles aren’t about the goal but about who gets payed more for their role in this charade.

    The goal isn’t a secret, it’s quite specific and serious, you can read it right here, comment #7 ( click [MORE] ). The funny part is how that goal is being communicated to us… as the will of… the Kerguelen. According to the Kerguelen SZ, master or slave should be assigned at birth… freedom be frucked… so willed the aliens. It used to be “God told me to destroy” this or that, but faith in God was apparently disliked by the aliens, so God was removed to be replaced by our full faith and trust in the Kerguelens… of which SZ is just a humble profit.

    The question “Who’s done it, the US gov or China”, is meaningless, it’s the same team… the Kerguelens. Here’s another one of their messengers:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/colorado-professor-claims-white-supremacy-causing-black-people-attack-asians/

  338. GayDad69 says:

    The Department of Defense knew about it because they were doing funding gain of research function WITH the Chinese government in Wuhan, directed by Fauci.

    What’s going on here isn’t the USA attacking China, it’s the Jewish oligarchs and China trying to find a way to exterminate white people.

    Given that you’re Jewish, this website is somehow allowed to exist, and you’re allowed access to banking services, you are clearly controlled opposition here to redirect rage against our Jewish oligarchs and China against the few remaining (likely traitorous anyways) White people left in the US government.

  339. thordaddy says:

    What would “controlled opposition” do in this particular scenario?

    It WOULD ASSUME that the “sars-cov2” novel virus is really real.

    And so, the whole debate over naturally-occurring vs. bioweapon is the “controlled opposition’s” method of obscuring the total virtuality of the NEW “covid-19” disease.

    [MORE]

    What those doctor(s) in Wuhan actually observed when they claimed to have witnessed a unique and never-before-seem type of pneumonia hasn’t even been clarified. And instead, this unique and never-before-seen disease morphed into a vast array of commonly known diseases all CAUSED by a “novel virus” (and NOT its myriad of “variants”).

    The hypothesis is “sars-cov2 causes covid-19.”

    Where’s the BEEF, Mr. Unz?

    This thing is a house of cards and “smart” people who help it stay standing…

    Well… What do “we” call such people?

  340. @Ron Unz

    ‘…The whole situation is remarkably Orwellian…’

    My suspicion is that the administration-and-media is (a) politically stuck with ‘Black Lives Matter’ and ‘Come one come all’ immigration, and (b) realizes those policies are catastrophically unpopular with the majority of Americans.

    So they’re desperate for some device to distract the public. UFO’s! China started the Covid!

    I don’t deny the possibility that either one is real. I am suspicious of the timing. Those UFO’s have been zipping — or not zipping — about for over seventy years. And all of a sudden, right now, we start taking them seriously?

  341. TheIdiot says:

    UNZ is the essential part of the game

    UNZ is trying to control the Alternative
    the way the MSM controls the Mass

    But UNZ cannot control the Alternative, because

    UNZ as a KAPO of the MSM is

    just a KAPO, not the Furer

    P.S.:protect your IP yourself when you post on here

  342. Try try again Actually arguing WHO DID COVID is kinda another distraction from the TRUTH in that whether the US Deep State took it to China, or whether it leaked from a Chinese lab, or was done on purpose by the Deep State of China, which is not necessarily the same thing as the entire Government of China ( but the entire government of China could be Deep State, the entire Government of the United States IS PART OF THE GLOBALIST DEEP STATE ) or whether the Deep States of the United States and the Deep State of China, co operated and did COVID together…. The truth is this is a Globalist Worldwide Operation approved at the top levels by like … the Committee of 300, the Bilderbergs, Davos-World Economic Forum, R International Banking.

    [MORE]
    So in some ways it does not matter WHO did it, what matters is this PSYOP to get us all to take dangerous “vaccinations” was unleashed on the world by the top Evil ? people of the world. For example see
    https://www.keionline.org/about/board-of-advisors
    Joseph Stiglitz is an economist and a professor at Columbia University. He is a recipient of the John Bates Clark Medal (1979) and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his analyses of markets with asymmetric information (2001). He has taught at Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT and was the Drummond Professor and a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford. From 1995 to 1997 Professor Stiglitz was the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, for President Bill Clinton, and from 1997 to 2000 the Chief Economist of the World Bank. Professor Stiglitz is chair of Columbia University’s Committee on Global Thought and a member of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. He is also the co-founder and Executive Director of the Initiative for Policy Dialogue at Columbia.
    Stiglitz has been reported to be a member of ???? a committee, Knowledge Ecology International has been pushing the World Health Organization’s “vaccine” program to hurry up. See C-TAP
    https://www.keionline.org/35064
    KEI exhorted the WHO to “to exert greater leadership in measures to scale production, increase competition, and speed the delivery of vaccines, therapeutics and other technologies and other technologies in the COVID-19 response
    Will this post?????

    • Replies: @ImaBotKnot
  343. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Fauci was perhaps pressed to fund it by the Pentagon so that when we released it, China could be blamed?

    Btw…….personally: I used to utterly despise the Soviet Union. I was 10 in 1980, and already a nightly watcher of Walter Cronkite of CBS. I used to marvel at how thw Soviets had their fingers all over the world in various revolutions and movements, and how they spent a ridiculous share of their economic output on their military and yet obviously were supporting disarmament and nuclear freeze groups here. The coin flip really is complete now isn’t it? We are every bit as evil as they were. Its as if Satan resided there then, ‘but lately he spends his time here’ (at the Western World)

    • Replies: @lysias
  344. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Tier 3 captures 90% by giving a satisfying explanation. Tier 2 satisfies remaining 9% who did not buy Tier 3. The truth of Tier 1 is for the 1% that was not captured by Tier 3 or Tier 2.

    Sure, the effectiveness of a “layered defense” is widely known in all sorts of situations, whether ideological or military.

    Incidentally, I think the JFK Assassination is a very good illustration of what you’re discussing.

    For example, at the suggestion of Lysias a few months ago, I read the final portions of Oswald and the CIA by John Newman. The author had spent twenty years in Military Intelligence and then became a history professor at the University of Maryland. He seems to have tremendous expertise in analyzing the implications of bureaucratic intelligence files, and made a very persuasive case that Angleton had been a central figure in the assassination.

    Under his persuasive analysis, a crucial aspect of the plot was to create false evidence connecting Oswald with KGB assassination experts, thus suggesting that the Soviets might possibly be implicated in the killing. LBJ and others then used the terrible risk of a world war to bludgeon Warren and other top political figures into covering up any signs of a conspiracy and labeling Oswald as a lone-nut gunman. So a concocted and extremely dangerous Tier 2 forced the political elites to all support the Tier 1 scenario.

  345. lysias says:
    @anon

    I think our leaders are now considerably worse than the Soviet leaders ever were.

    There was undoubtedly a lot of cynicism among Soviet leaders from the time of Stalin on. But I think there was idealism too. That was not dead in the 1980s. Gorbachev thought he could rescue Communism.

    Whatever idealism there may ever have been among our leaders is now long dead. And I speak as someone who was a true believer in and a veteran of the Cold War. I was in Air Force signals intelligence in Berlin 1970-2, later in the reserve program of Navy signals intelligence until I retired in 1994. But it has become increasingly clear that whatever it was that we fought for — Christianity, free enterprise, freedom from totalitarian systems — is no longer of interest to those who now rule us. And I also believed in intellectual freedom. Hence I got a Ph.D. in Classics and worked for a decade at the Institute for Advanced Study. And in the rule of law. Hence I got a law degree and worked 20 years as a lawyer for the federal governmant. But intellectual freedom and the rule of law also no longer interest those who rule us.

    What is there about our current system that deserves loyalty?

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @Biff
  346. It is interesting that in early 2020, a former Israeli intel officer blamed China for the COVID outbreak:

    The world is currently is currently in near-panic mode as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and cross borders. And according to one Israeli expert, it might be part of China’s biological weapons program.

    In an interview with The Washington Times, Dany Shoham noted that the outbreak began and remains worst in the city of Wuhan, which is home to the only declared facility capable of working with such deadly viruses, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Despite Chinese instance that it has no biological weapons program, the institute is believed to serve the dual purpose of civilian and military research.

    And Shoham thinks coronavirus might have accidentally leaked from there.

    “Coronaviruses [particularly SARS] have been studied in the institute and are probably held therein,” said Shoham. “In principle, outward virus infiltration might take place either as leakage or as an indoor unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility. This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but so far there isn’t evidence or indication for such incident.”

    Lt.-Col. (Ret.) Dany Shoham holds a doctorate in medical microbiology. For over 20 years (from 1970-1991) he was a senior analyst with IDF intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in the Middle East.

    More recently, Shoham has been working at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University, where he has studied China’s clandestine biological weapons program.

    In other words, the man knows of what he speaks.

    https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/israeli-expert-china-might-have-created-the-coronavirus/

  347. cranc says:

    If we ask the obvious ‘Cui Bono ?’ question (and of course China has flourished as the rest of the world has been shut down), we should consider the following too:

    [MORE]

    1. Lockdowns originated on the order of Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, and were propagated into global policy by the World Health Organization with little analysis or logic
    2. The most influential institution for Covid-19 models, self-described as “China’s Best Academic Partner in the West,” has been by far the most alarmist and inaccurate Covid-19 modeler
    3. Deadly recommendations for early mechanical ventilation came from China
    4. The world’s predominant, wildly-inaccurate PCR Testing Protocols are based on incomplete, theoretical genome sequences supplied by China
    5. Predominant, excessive PCR testing protocols came from China
    6. Studies (falsely) showing significant asymptomatic transmission, the only ‘scientific’ basis for lockdowns of healthy individuals, came from China
    7. The CCP engaged in an early, broad, systematic, and global propaganda campaign to promote its lockdown response
    8. Many prominent pro-lockdown scientists show conspicuous pro-China bias
    9. Several top National Health officials among the nations are woefully unqualified and show conspicuous pro-China bias
    10. Prominent lockdown supporters have proven unusually indifferent to the devastating consequences of their policies
    11. Such an age weighted fatality profile tells us that SC2 itself is self defeating as an ‘economic weapon’ without the accompanying propaganda offensive inducing hysteria.
    (https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b%5D

    I wonder if anyone who endorses the ‘American deep state attack on China’ hypothesis would defend as genuine the first videos emerging on Chinese State television and circulated by social media bot accounts linked to China, of people collapsing in the street from this allegedly novel viral disease ? I mean they would have to believe them real wouldn’t they, as otherwise the CCP would have been somehow complicit ?
    The origin obsession is a psyop, and if the former heads of British intelligence and the CDC confirm that the origin is a laboratory, and this ties in with CCP party line, then one has to ask “why the revelation now?”. It only serves to further the agenda of lockdown-vaccine-vaxxpass system.
    The writer of this article under which we comment (RU) has been consistent in his support of lockdowns as necessary, despite abundant evidence to the contrary. The big question is “Why ?”
    This thread might help answer that :

  348. thordaddy says:

    Naturally occurring vs. bioweapon vs. virtual virus…

    What would Occam say?

  349. Refl says:
    @Robert Snefjella

    I noticed early on that there was a considerable mass media attempt to avoid or slay the notion that the new ‘plague’ entity/entities was/were a bio-weapon(s).

    My take on the bioweapon story is that it constitutes one of the important layers of the narrative. When the measures were set in motion simultaneously across the world, not that many political leaders would have been on board. Quite many would have denied to take part. So, a convenient way to get them into line would have been a story that would be overwhelming. They would be told “Listen, folks, something really awkward has happened. Our militaries have been engaged in sinister biological research (which they definitely are, in the US as in China as elsewhere, colaborating in the most unlikely fashion). Now they have accidentally released something. Please get your countries prepared for the worst and don’t mention what we have told you!”
    Thus, the bioweapon story was placed as a screen for us conspiracy theorists, to quarrel about on and on. Me,. I reject it for the simple reason that it adds credit to the corona scare. Bioweapon or not, if the mortality is low, then it is pointless to argue and rather do anything to oppose the ever more absurd measures.

    A bioweapon that is to be kept under control is at best a fake bioweapon that only exists in peoples minds.

    • Replies: @Robert Snefjella
  350. @Dirtyharriet

    i appreciate the importance of an idf officer/microbiologist having an opinion, & wanting to broadcast it, however, hasn’t it been cited more than once that the lab in wuhan wasn’t @ such an advanced level?

  351. @Dirtyharriet

    Well that settles it conclusively: China had nothing to do with it.

  352. @Refl

    a convenient way to get them [political leaders] into line would have been a story [about dreaded bio-weapons]….

    That had occurred to me. Perhaps some are following script due to being seriously vulnerable to black-mail, some may have been threatened with harm, and some may have been bought. Note that some African leaders not playing along ‘died’, and there was the coup attempt in recalcitrant Byelorussia. Also, it’s possible that some leaders have bought into the theme of the impending end of the world as we know it via human emissions, or just think that there are way to many of us, so let’s crash it all…. Stupidity might explain a lot. Whatever the particular method used, it has been quite the coordinated diabolical display.

  353. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    My poor little brain works differently. It needs to understand who/whom. If one cannot name a credible person (Schiff, Soros, whoever) or a group of persons (the Zionists, the Bolsheviks) with a credible motivation, one is a child out of the loop. Politicians and men of power, imho, simply do not think like that.

    Of course one can be wrong about just who is doing what. And one can be wrong about which group will be winning at a certain point.

    Saying some vague “US neocons” mounted the Wuhan operation is just, well, too vague to be credible. Just which neocons? And have they done anything else about China since Oct 2019? And even if that was the beginning of this story, can we name any other players who clambered into the covid train? What are those guys doing? Ron Unz suffers from tunnel vision. His gaze has not shifted from Wuhan 2019.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Ron Unz
  354. Do not forget also the Italian cluster, allegedly caused by a Japanese couple, which took finally down the Conte government, after he had asked for help to the Russians, in the middle of the chaos surged in before the greedy behavior exposed by the EU partners at the first moments of the pandemic, which gave place to the installing of an unelected old Bilderberg man at the helms, former director of ECB, Dragui.

    [MORE]
    From Italy, the virus spread to the whole Europe, damaging seriously Spain, which saved itself after the last 2008 crisis, on the contrary to Greece, and has to be absolutely ruined for the hedge funds, especially BlackRock, to take over what of value remained for grab, that is roads, railways, already semi-privatized, and the tourism industry, with seme hotels in paradisiacal places like Balear Islands still under harsh measures, being sold for pennies in the middle of the bankruptcy provoked by the oblied lockdowns.
    All this in the middle of the scare and the menaces broadcast by the media non stop 24/7, so that get the people under continuous shock and scare them with the most unimaginable nightmares in case they do not vaccinate themselves. This is why the people is not paying attention to the sold out of the national assests and what remains of industry, not to mention the severe reforms that are being passed without usual mention by the press, a full attack on the working class which will get at the mercy of the employers. Clearly preparing the field for the US corporations to arrive with their slave like labor conditions.
    At the same time, contrary to what it was promised during the pandemic, the health system is not only not being reinforced at all, but only a tiny ammount of the recovery funds has been destined to it ( thus it is clear the alleged sanitary emergency on whose alibi they are terminationg with all our rights is not any of theur worries ) but really is being dismantled, with the view put in its full privatization. The people is not noticing any of this, especially due the negligence by the press and parliament representatives, all of whom are submitted to a silence pact more porper of the mafia, otherwise the people would be flooding the streets to fight for what is theirs.

    If all that was not enough, when the country was about to open based on the useless “vaccine passports”, to start the tourim season, Morocco launchs an invasion of some 9000 violent takfiris, bringing messing amongst them some 2000 minor children from 7 to 10 years ( who were brought under deceit tha they were going to an excursion ), which could have resulted in another carnage if the Spanish Armed Forces would had opened fire in front of violent attacks by the takfiris. Biden lacked time to run to declare to the press his full support for the Moroccan satrapa in a continuum of Trump policy with respect Spain when the later gave away Western Sahara to this tiran when this is a territory still under Spanish protection and does not belong to any POTUS.
    In frint of this, it is beyonde me why we should obey the Biden adminsitration in which Covid-19 vaccien we should use, unless the whole Spanish political class have sold themselves to the amercians, which is the theory most plausible…

    To mention here that it is not a coincidence that the events in Gaza happened simultaneously with those invasions in Spanish north African cities, as both projects “Great Israel” and Great Morocco” are part of the same neocon elite project to control the Mediterranean. Btw that Morocco was awarded Western Sahara for recognizing Jerusalem as capital of the Zionist entity, thus I do not dicard Israelis involved also in the invasion of Spain, as they participated also in the trainning and caring of takfiris in Syria.

    In summary, the virus was freed to try to ruin China, regime change Iran, and probably also Spain and Italy, and in case this all was not fully achieved, at least have the EU so ruined as after WWII, especially at least the southern countries, for the US vulture funds to come to solve their accute crisis already in effect but not in full blow, near to explode its multiple bubbles and ponzi schemes their economy is based upon since, well, WWII….

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Schuetze
  355. @Desert Fox

    “Covid-19 does not exist. It has never been isolated. It is a myth being used to install a lockdown that is an engineered economic depression leading to a one world government by the zionist central banks.”

    You are correct, but very few people want to hear the truth. Everyone insists on bickering about the emperor’s new Covid clothes. This is why everyone is a slave of pharma’s lies.

  356. @lysias

    > What is there about our current system that deserves loyalty?

    Current S&P 500 is 4,155.86.

    The bubble number on everybody’s retirement fund looks like it is the one thing remaining holding everything together. Just wait for the twenty dollar loaves of bread and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  357. @Anon

    So what’s your theory?

    • Replies: @Anon
  358. @ImaBotKnot

    and the big picture is vaccine passports, The Great Reset, population reduction-? especially in the third world, Mark of the Beast type stuff, closing down smaller businesses, getting people to “take the Mark” to get a Universal Basic Income, profits for the NGOs, UN, WHO bureaucrats, profits for corporations, making humans genetically modified organisms ect….ect all part of an Illuminati agenda.

  359. @Desert Fox

    Indeed, well summary, and why nobody, amongst the governments said a word in front of the Gaza genocide. Attention to the mutism of the EU and the fast visit by German FM, Maas to Israel to express support for their “right to self-defense”

    The question is, do we want to live in such an order, seeing what is to live so in the flesh of the Gazaties?

  360. @Morton's toes

    At least you in the US have weapons…

  361. Mehen says:
    @Alfred

    Agreed.

    As you say, the consequences of this virus are more important than its origin.

    I wish Mr. Unz would devote more of his considerable brainpower to that particular topic.

  362. denk says:

    Conclusion..

    IN order of highest probability…

    [MORE]

    master mind
    A certainty.
    fukus deep state.
    [If you believe Johnson almost met his creator in ICU, i’VE A bridge to sell…]

    Wuhan gof a deep state set up to frame China,

    CCP complicit in the scam

    [I’ll be damned]

    Accidental leak

    probability practically zero

    ———————————–

    joke of the year

    Thomasina

    Trump said he quite liked President Xi and admired the Chinese people,

    Certifiable insane
    HT,

    China does not depend on Nancy Pelosi when they want to act in a major way. They do things like bio-warfare. Could China have lost 5 million people in the process? Maybe but why would they care? Just worthwhile collateral damage if the goal was achieved.

    fukus does not depend on UN when they want to act in a nasty way. They do things like regime change, FF, genocides, assasinations , naked aggression, chem warfare, bio-warfare. Could FUKUS have lost 5 million people in the process? Maybe but why would they care? Just worthwhile collateral damage if the goal was achieved.
    FIFY

    btw, if you believe in fukus official death toll,
    I’ve a bridge …

    gawd damned racists..

    Dirtyharriet ↑

    It is interesting that in early 2020, a former Israeli intel officer blamed China for the COVID outbreak:

    typical [[[five liars]]] racist…

    “I Don’t Believe the Jews at all. But I do when its about china

    https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/caitlin-johnstone-on-the-cia-uighur-narrative/

    • Agree: acementhead
  363. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “made a very persuasive case that Angleton had been a central figure in the assassination.”

    Hmm, I guess that might explain why Angleton was so eager to get his mitts on Mary Pinchot Meyer’s diary, which she kept in the period when she was having an affair with JFK.

    In an earlier thread, Mr. Unz labeled me a conspiracy theorist when I mentioned Mary Pinchot Meyer and the possible connection of her unexplained murder, in October 1964, with the JFK assassination.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  364. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    Do you have any idea who made the “You Decide” video?

    It has good production values, but no name on it, or indication of who produced it.

    Was it sponsored by an organization?

    The information certainly accords with what I have read lately in a number of sources (and also of course what I—what we all— have experienced over the past year).

    • Replies: @Alfred
  365. @Dirtyharriet

    Shoham undoubtedly worked with the South African apartheid regime on ‘genetically specific’ bio-weapons, given that CV. And, equally incontestably, the Zionazi regime would have continued such research, as also did the USA. ‘ China’s clandestine biological weapons program’ is a dirty lie. something at which the Zionazis are unmatched, and, naturally, simply projection of their own crimes onto others.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Dirtyharriet
  366. @The Soft Parade

    Yes, the correct way to write it is in dog latin: “COVID-19.”

    (((They))) are absolutely anal, if not predictable, when it comes to using the same black magic numbers and 19 is one of their favourites.

    The Hebrew lunisolar calendar is based on the the Metonic cycle– a period of approximately 19 years after which the phases of the moon recur at the same time of the year. 

    COVID-19 comes exactly 19-years after they did 9/11!

  367. @naill

    Anyone can Google that. They were expropriating massive amounts. Not just retail, but also retail.

    BTY nice shill account, Pooh.

    • Replies: @naill
  368. Mehen says:

    I wonder if our esteemed host Mr. Unz has anything to say about all those “leaked” videos coming out of China during the early stages of the pandemic? You know, those disturbing images of people dropping dead in the street, or convulsing violently in hospital beds, etc.

    Perhaps not.

    After all, they’ve all been scrubbed from the internet….

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  369. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    Saying some vague “US neocons” mounted the Wuhan operation is just, well, too vague to be credible. Just which neocons?

    Well, maybe you should actually read my article:

    Under my reconstruction, the biowarfare attack was very likely a rogue operation unauthorized by President Donald Trump, but probably orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons whom he had placed in charge of our national security policy, individuals associated with Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton.

    For most of the last year, I’ve pointed to Pompeo and Bolton as the two most likely suspects. How can I be any more specific than that?

  370. denk says:

    Mask, lockdown, safe distance, vaccines, contact tracer….

    [MORE]

    They keep telling us,

    This is the new normal, get used to it

    Only the gringos and the brits can stop this madness, those right in the belly of the beast.

    ——————

    “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”

    ~ Prince Philip

    https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/depopulation.html

  371. Ron Unz says:
    @Mehen

    I wonder if our esteemed host Mr. Unz has anything to say about all those “leaked” videos coming out of China during the early stages of the pandemic? You know, those disturbing images of people dropping dead in the street, or convulsing violently in hospital beds, etc.

    Weren’t those the videos promoted by all the fanatic anti-China propagandist sources such as ZeroHedge, Alex Jones, Bannon, and the Falun Gong affiliates? I don’t watch stupid propaganda videos, but I’d assume that the same sort of people who promoted them were the ones who faked them.

    Anyone who gets their information from propaganda-videos is just too stupid to take seriously.

    • Agree: denk
  372. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    Hmm, I guess that might explain why Angleton was so eager to get his mitts on Mary Pinchot Meyer’s diary, which she kept in the period when she was having an affair with JFK.

    In an earlier thread, Mr. Unz labeled me a conspiracy theorist when I mentioned Mary Pinchot Meyer and the possible connection of her unexplained murder, in October 1964, with the JFK assassination.

    I don’t recall that particular exchange, but based upon Michael Collins Piper’s analysis, Angleton has always seemed a leading suspect to me, far more likely than Dulles, whom David Talbot had suggested.

    However, Angleton’s attempt to get Meyer’s diary hardly proves anything. Given her affair with JFK, many, many DC people would surely have wanted the diary as well, even if they were totally unconnected with the JFK assassination. Newman’s evidence is of an entirely different level of evidentiary strength.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  373. Skeptikal says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Thank you, Fanoubia, for this interesting perspective.

    I don’t know much about the Morocco-Spain incident.
    It looks as though someone got this massive number of migrants moving at one time.

  374. @Ron Unz

    I’m not from the government and I’m here to help.

    It would be disappointing if the UR threads on covid 19 undermined the good that you can do with UR in all its aspects. I think they lead the way by a country mile for dissent, even sneering dissent from your thesis. I guess the concentration of so many loons on the threads with bizarre and unevidenced opinions rouses your combative instincts and allows too much temperament and not enough of your sharp discriminating intellect to intrude. I’m not sure what I say next will help much but… here goes

    Why do you have to posit some senior neocon rogues malevolently attacking China’s economy. Why isn’t my alternative story here just as plausible or more so?

    As a preliminary let me say that it could be critical to note that the Gain of Function work at WIV and most other labs could only be justified – especially with US inputs – by the anti pandemic purpose of being able to anticipate and defend against new or variant viruses. That, incidentally, has implications for what China might have regarded as needed to answer accusations and not to lose face.

    Here- my latest version. Some not particularly malevolent rogues who think they can probably lay their hands on some variant viruses take notice of the July 2019 outbreak in a Virginia aged care facility and, on asking about it are told that it seems to be new or newish but no way ready to kill millions in biowarfare. “Pretty infectious but not deadly to the average adult or child – a bit like flu though it’s a corona virus”. Perfect for our purposes say Intel people who would leap at the chance to find out how well China could defend itself against a biowarfare attack. “Yeah, timed for their holiday season seems about right** and, by the way, we’ll have hundreds of military athletes there which will be good cover as no one would suspect us of putting our own at risk”.

    “There’s just one thing…what if our military athletes catch it and bring it home – or travellers pick it up”. “Not a worry. Look we’re not talking about the Spanish flu and, come to think of of it we already know that what starts in China pretty well stays in China – like SARS, swine flu, you name it. Our medical systems should be able to jump on it pretty quick smart if there’s any overflow” . “Fall back of course is that it could have come straight from WIV”.

    So, having got their hands on something they are assured is most unlikely to be more dangerous than what struck in Virginia(easy if it was in fact from Ft.Detrick) they launch the plague.

    The several US contacts in WIV are quick to notice what seems to be going on so it is no surprise that Medical Intelligence picked it up and started the ball rolling towards your “smoking gun” and all the denials. You can even suppose that someone in medical intelligence got a tip off from a friend and made sure that his team covered their asses by using the word “cataclysmic”.

    **that’s not only to spread it but, because these are not bad guys, less damaging to the Chinese economy and US firms there.

    Now, here’s away to restore UR to all round right/left/Facebook/,Google respectability. I have suggested the digital currency/DeFi, racket or mania. But Anthropogenic Warming aka Climate Change is not too big a subject if you concentrate on the dozens of models the UPCC has used to scare us and show up their weaknesses, omissions and contradictions. You might start by concentrating on the problem of their failure (which I presume continues), just in the Holocene, to retropredict Warm Periods, Little Ice Ages, the droughts which ended the Egyotian Old Kingdom, the Indus civilisation, the collapse of the ice into the Great Lakes – and that’s without looking at China.

    You could even get an offer from the Koch Bros😎

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  375. @Ron Unz

    Anyone who gets their information from propaganda-videos is just too stupid to take seriously.

    But in the moment, with the media drum beat of impending death, how many regular people could have recognized the propaganda. We are twenty years past 9/11 and the average person believes the government’s dumb narrative.

    Fauci and those who directed and supported him, should be put on trial. The entire world should demand this.

    If Fauci is innocent, the trial may reveal who isn’t.

  376. @Ron Unz

    If you had a team of apprentices and interns you would put them on to sharpening their wits and gathering mostly indirect evidence by watching them critically for lies, significant errors, assumptions and anything else to be inferred that might matter e.g. the lines being pushed and for whose benefit. Maybe you could encourage some college students to form Ron’s Little Helpers aka Ron’s Groupies and give them an honoured place on UR threads when they research media that you avoid. As I have previously noted this could help you zero in most accurately on what American Pravda lies about, and how successfully.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  377. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Given her affair with JFK, many, many DC people would surely have wanted the diary as well, even if they were totally unconnected with the JFK assassination.”

    Don’t be ridiculous.
    Sure, anyone would want to look at it—if they knew about it in the first place.
    But how would they know about it?

    Those many DC people who would not have any way of knowing about the diary in order to be curious about it also would not have had the means to actually break in to Meyer’s home and get it. Nor would they have been driven to go to such lengths to get this diary they never heard of.

    So how did Angleton know about it, or suspect it?
    Maybe through her ex-husband, Cord Meyer, of the CIA?

    Obviously, Angleton’s action of breaking into Meyer’s home to get the diary or any other evidence that might fall into the wrong hands and shed light on the assassination strongly suggests that Angleton very much did not want anyone else to see it. It also suggests that Angleton suspected that someone else—Mary’s sister, Toinette Bradlee?—knew about the diary, and he wanted to get to it before she did. And in fact, he did. Ben and Toinette Bradlee surprised Angleton in Mary’s house going through her things. But they let him keep the diary. It never was seen again. Which also suggests that it contained info that Angleton, or someone, wanted buried. Perhaps Angleton was just acting for Cord Meyer, and there was no assassination connection. Perhaps the assassination connection was a tier 1 story to hide Cord Meyer’s prurient interest in his wife’s private doings after their divorce!

    BTW, I didn’t mention Meyer as a clue to Angleton’s involvement with the assassination.
    However, his intense interest in Meyer and her diary certainly point in that direction. He took a considerable risk to get it. His discovery in the house by the Bradlees could have caused them to connect a dot or two. My mention of Meyer triggered your wielding of the the tired “conspiracy theorist” label. I don’t see why, since the Meyer connection is, obviously, relevant.

    Here is the thread:
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-umbrella-man-the-sins-of-the-father-and-the-kennedy-curse/?showcomments#comment-3571757

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  378. @Wizard of Oz

    Ron, while I am correcting the mistype of IPCC let me add that my hypothetical crew of not very ill intentioned blunderers might even have believed that, as well as testing China’s capacity to deal with a bioattack the virus was harmless enough to make it a useful warning to the US and test of its coping mechanisms if it did escape China.

  379. @Ron Unz

    How to get yourself uncanceled by Facebook and Google. Well, a step in the right direction.

    I have just read in The Australian, possibly a reprint from The Times, glowing testimony to the effectiveness of vaccines even against the latest Indian variant.

    It strikes me as far too optimistic.

    Here’s a chance for you, I think, to fill an important gap. If you were to calculate the rate at which mutant strains of Covid 29 will emerge in India, Pakistan and maybe Brazil and Africa on conventional assumptions as to the rate of mutation you could point to real dangers to come. If you were to come out with calculations that somewhere between $2billion and $10 billion at American cost levels needs to be committed immediately to new vaccine programs to provide adequate protection against strains likely to emerge in populous poor countries you would surely have earned reinstatement for UR.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  380. Mehen says:
    @Ron Unz

    Weren’t those the videos promoted by all the fanatic anti-China propagandist sources such as ZeroHedge, Alex Jones, Bannon, and the Falun Gong affiliates? I don’t watch stupid propaganda videos, but I’d assume that the same sort of people who promoted them were the ones who faked them.

    Anyone who gets their information from propaganda-videos is just too stupid to take seriously.

    Well, that’s just it. I take your point about Alex Jones and Steve Bannon, but it seems to me those videos were from China, whatever their provenance.

    Those were the videos which spooked large swaths of the population here in the U.S.

    And those videos are all gone now.

    Perhaps you are correct but I find this particular aspect of the pandemic very suspicious.

    Not quite sure what to think, if I’m honest.

    P..S. I’m flattered you deigned to respond to me, Mr. Unz

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  381. Biff says:
    @lysias

    I think our leaders are now considerably worse than the Soviet leaders ever were.

    United States doesn’t have “leaders”, it has “owners”.

    What is there about our current system that deserves loyalty?

    Who has loyalty to someone else’s private property?

    • Agree: acementhead
  382. @Ron Unz

    I’ve just been speaking to a volunteer lay vaccinator in London who was on her way to doing a few hundred jabs of th Pfizer vaccine to a receptive cohort of the relatively young. She said research on new variants was old hat and I did a search which produced inter alia

    https://endpts.com/covid-19-roundup-study-suggests-astrazeneca-oxford-booster-is-effective-against-variants-report-ifpma-issues-guidance-on-vaccine-inequity/

    Astra Zeneca vaccine only 14% effective against the South African variant but someone is reported as saying if you get three jabs it will blow the variants away! I suspect there is a lot of BS and propaganda to unearth and destroy. Over to you – the conspiracy to peddle BS is the big one.

  383. Schuetze says:

    The Covid was created for the “vaccine”, not the other way around. Their precise motives for forcing their mRNA therapy on the entire planet will become clear with the passage of time.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Exosome
  384. Schuetze says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Who owns all those US vulture funds, Fatima? There is a very good reason why all this is happening…

    [MORE]

  385. cranc says:
    @Ron Unz

    Weren’t those the videos promoted by all the fanatic anti-China propagandist sources such as ZeroHedge, Alex Jones, Bannon, and the Falun Gong affiliates?

    No, they were all over the MSM :
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1232931/coronavirus-outbreak-wuhan-hospital-footage-corpses-corridors-china

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/infected-people-seen-dead-streets-21347952

    …and all over social media, although not in China which censors internet content heavily. There was an aggressive (overseas) Twitter campaign run by the the CCP.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/technology/china-twitter-disinformation.html
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/05/china-floods-facebook-instagram-undeclared-coronavirus-propaganda/

    So, Ron, do you really think that Alex Jones faked videos of Chinese people dropping dead in the street and got those videos into the world’s medias (both establishment and social) via Chinese state avenues of propagation ?
    If not, then what do you think happened ?

    • Agree: frontier, Ever Becoming
    • Replies: @denk
  386. anonym25 says:
    @dimples

    It was already proven that there were French athletes infected with Covid19. Elodie Clouvel blew the whistle on this as well as other participants back in may 2020. So Covid19 was definitely there at that time. Iran’s outbreak was not coincidental at all. Remember high ranking politicians were infected as well as soldiers which means that the Iran delegation brought the virus back to Iran in november 2019. It has been expounded here in unz.com why the outbreak was not visible back in november 2019: it seems the virus needs to hit a certain population threshold to increase in transmissibility and become a full blown pandemic.

    You also to forget the conclusion drawn by Italian researchers who proved that collected covid19 samples imply that the virus was already there in november 2019 just a few weeks before the end of Wuhan military games. Now to answer the question: why would the military conceal this outbreak as early as november 2019? The reason is that elite special forces were decimated by this bioweapon and had to hide the truth from the public for national security reasons. Trump had asked Xi Jin Ping to let a team of US scientists to conduct an investigation in Wuhan in late december 2019 – early january 2020 which Xi Jin Ping refused. This sparked Trump’s anger and intensified his anti-China crusade from that point onwards.

    Unfortunately, China made the fateful decision of playing along with the globalist script declaring that this virus is a naturally occuring virus brought in Wuhan by a specific animal. Trump, out of spite, decided to adopt the Wuhan lab leak, which was brought up first suspiciously by a Mossad expert on biological warfare, Dany Shoham, in january 2020. Trump, throughout 2020, continued blasting China’s Wuhan lab through a global propaganda campaign and successfully imposed his own theory as a solidly acceptable hypothesis for the covid19 outbreak. The democrats picked up on it and, in order to villify China and possibly lay the blame on China, used their influence over their allies to consider it as a viable hypothesis even though the pioneers’s work of Covid19 were present during the Obama administration.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  387. Sarah says:
    @Anon

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/censored-north-korea-accused-u-s-of-working-with-unit-731-war-criminals-on-bw-attacks-d7fd819ed8b7

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-concealed-war-crime-u-s-anthrax-bombings-of-china-during-the-korean-war-14782ceb40a9

    Thanks to you, I discovered the biological war waged by the United States against the Korean people. Disgusting. I would never have believed that before. If the US did it in 1950 they could very well do it in 2019.

  388. @Wizard of Oz

    A connected thought: where is the Unz Jugend crew, the Millenials for Unz brigade on UR – or any evidence of anyone reading it or writing for it who doesn’t qualify as ridiculously “elderly” (excuse the obscenity) in the minds of the generations who will manage the future? An appropriate University Club or federation of clubs might well advertise UR by calling their regular magazine The Unziad (you wouldn’t need a big subsidy to persuade some ambitious bright young heretic to get it off the ground).

  389. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    The philosophical skeleton of the secular liberalism of the past couple of centuries is collapsing. That’s obvious from the amount of resources now needed to keep a powerful minority of the people believing in it. What it replaced and what replaces it will be the same old traditions. They never went away.

    What we see on this excellently managed and openly revealing web page are the arguments supporting little theories that give the secular system enough credibility that very sensitive and intelligent people don’t go mad trying to reason through it’s disappearance.

    That’s where the Ron Unz theory of neocon bioweapon is derived. It’s a Jungian phenomenon of the collective unconscious struggling to stay relevant.

  390. Exosome says:
    @Schuetze

    The “covid” is an imaginary fiction without any scientific proof. Its a claim only, with nothing to back it up. And gullible, lazy and clumsy thinking, naive sheep buy it.

    [MORE]

    Anyhow, the power of mind control is so obvious here, since the belief in tiny particles you can catch and which allegedly make you sick is all it takes to get the sheep taking the experimental “vaccine”, a gene modification.
    The power of suggestion and peddling fear porn makes the sheep guinea pigs.
    That is the only “bioweapon” there, the synthetic mRNA, in reality, technology more than biology to connect you to AI cloud without a device.
    Moderna openly and brazenly state on their website, their poison would be an operating system.

    I encourage any believer to trust the science and take the injections, the system means you well. Please roll up your sleeves and take the shots, you will solve a problem by passing away.

  391. Alfred says:
    @Skeptikal

    Do you have any idea who made the “You Decide” video?

    I got it off the Martin Armstrong Blog. But I don’t know where he got it from.

    Are Vaccines Safe? (Martin Armstrong Blog)

    The important thing is that it uses only official data and official statements. I think even our kind Mr Unz would be hard put to find fault with it. 🙂

    I found a similar animated video on Bitchute. I suspect it is by the same people. I guess TPTB are losing control of the narrative. There is a panic going on backstage. Bill Gates is being sacrificed. Next to go will be Fauci. Good news. 🙂

    The Truth About Vaccines Are They Safe and Effective Just the Facts Covid-19 Lockdowns Quarantines

    [MORE]


    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  392. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    My mention of Meyer triggered your wielding of the the tired “conspiracy theorist” label. I don’t see why, since the Meyer connection is, obviously, relevant.

    Here is the thread:

    Thanks for the link. However, you’ll notice that my sharp criticism of you was on entirely different grounds:

    Lover of JFK, to whom he confided his vision for major peaceful change in the US of A and the world.

    I really think the vast JFK hagiography that occupies the minds of many JFK conspiracy people, including some of the most respectable ones, hardly enhances their credibility. Lots of them seem to believe that JFK was about to establish world peace and was killed by the CIA for that reason. Frankly, I find the whole framework totally ludicrous.

    For example, Seymour Hersh’s book on JFK certainly provides lots of very negative details of his activities. But JFK conspiracy people always discount Hersh, claiming that he’s a JFK hater.

    Okay, but what about Michael Collins Piper, whose JFK assassination book has certainly been one of the most important. He provides some reasonable evidence that JFK had been planning to launch an unprovoked “sneak attack” against China just before he died:

    https://www.unz.com/book/michael_collins_piper__final-judgment/#jfk-s-plan-to-attack-china

    Offhand, it seems to be that an early 1960s American attack against China would have probably had far worse and more significant long-term geopolitical consequences than e.g. Bush’s attack against Iraq or a possible Trump attack against Iran.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-umbrella-man-the-sins-of-the-father-and-the-kennedy-curse/?showcomments#comment-3572925

  393. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Agree. Projection immediately came to mind when I read that article.

  394. @anonym25

    Now to answer the question: why would the military conceal this outbreak as early as november 2019? The reason is that elite special forces were decimated by this bioweapon and had to hide the truth from the public for national security reasons.

    I doubt that many of the healthy fit young military athletes would have died from the Covid-19 virus let alone been “decimated”.

  395. denk says:
    @cranc

    No, they were all over the MSM :

    Wow, those paragon of truth !
    sic

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1232931/coronavirus-outbreak-wuhan-hospital-footage-corpses-corridors-china

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/infected-people-seen-dead-streets-21347952

    sic
    These are you go to source ?

    …and all over social media, although not in China which censors internet content heavily.

    We already know that..
    the CCP would be derelict of its duty not to protect its citizens from toxic fukus BS,.

    There was an aggressive (overseas) Twitter campaign run by the the CCP.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/technology/china-twitter-disinformation.html

    Wow, the Chinese are talking back and you doNt like it. ?

    Get used to it kiddy,
    This is the new normal.
    tHE DAYS of you having the field all to yourself are gone , kiddy

    So, Ron, do you really think that Alex Jones faked videos of Chinese people dropping dead in the street and got those videos into the world’s medias (both establishment and social) via Chinese state avenues of propagation ?
    If not, then what do you think happened ?

    Why dont you tell us how did your links from notorious anti Chinese fake news outlets like the mirror, the express, the telegraph prove that those videos are CCP propaganda ?
    —————
    hello mod,

    Im not sure if joining in a discussion violates any site rule, if so, please delete this post accordingly.

    • Replies: @cranc
  396. cranc says:
    @denk

    Wow, those paragon of truth !

    These are you go to source ?

    Don’t know what point you are trying to make? I linked to those newspapers because RU wrongly stated that the obviously fake videos of people dropping dead from Covid were ‘promoted by all the fanatic anti-China propagandist sources such as ZeroHedge, Alex Jones, Bannon, and the Falun Gong affiliates?’
    Clearly they weren’t the only ones promoting them. The reach of mainstream into public perception and policy influence is greater than that of Alex Jones. Whether the Mirror, the Express, and the New York Times are reliable sources of information or not (I don’t think they are) is beside the point, Unz was wrong to make that assertion, especially as he followed it up by stating ‘I’d assume that the same sort of people who promoted them were the ones who faked them.’
    That latter comment actually makes some sense, so if it is proveable that media channels linked to Western governments or the CCP were clearly promoting them, then where does that leave a theory of ‘deadly pathogen unleashed to bring down China’ ?

    Why dont you tell us how did your links from notorious anti Chinese fake news outlets like the mirror, the express, the telegraph prove that those videos are CCP propaganda ?

    I don’t and didn’t claim that they were ‘CCP propaganda’. You might bother to read the NYT article. Anyway, you are reversing the burden of proof. If the videos are fake (they are), and they were made in China (they certainly seem to have been), and they were ciculated by media (social and mainstream) outlets both those obviously connected to the CCP and those not, then who made them and why ?
    The Unz theory is part of a false dichotomy between ‘the US attacked China’ and ‘China attacked the US/ rest of the world’. Neither are true, which makes your kind of comment also part of the distraction.

    • Replies: @denk
  397. cranc says:
    @Ron Unz

    We have been led into a set of false narratives about the origins of the virus:

    [MORE]

    1. That the virus does not exist.
    2. That the virus leaped from bats to humans
    3. That the virus was an accidental lab leak in Wuhan
    4. That the virus was an accidental lab leak in the US
    5. That the virus was released by agents of the Chinese state to destroy its competitors
    6. That the virus was released by US deep state operatives to economically harm its adversary China
    None of these fit all the evidence, and the back and forward between them is something of a wild goose chase.
    However, those who conceptualise a globalist ambition behind the release of Sars-Cov2 are alone in making sense. We clearly are moving rapidly into a new era facilitated by the pretext of ‘response to the pandemic’ : one that is global in ambition, that transcends borders, that is rooted in cyberspace and the vision of a 4th Industrial Revolution. This was the clear messaging from March 2020, that we were in a New Normal and that things would never return to how they were pre-Covid. The re-write of social relations required for such a transformation necessitates a ‘catalysing event’ in just the way that PNAC wrote about 9/11 years before it occurred. Such theorising is surely uncontroversial in a forum such as this one. Saying that, this position for the most part is not a theory at all, as the above mentioned vision is talked about openly if one takes the time to read the expressed ambitions of these groups.
    Ignoring the exaggerated hype and manufactured hysteria around the virus or reducing the above paragraph to some absurd caricature of ‘Klaus Schwab releasing the pathogen on the streets of Hubei Province’, reduces the arguer too. Ignoring the role of international bodies as well as governments in the US, Europe and China in making the crisis what it is (through denial of effective medicines as just one example) does not serve truth seeking.
    Who might have such a perverted ambition as to release a pathogen upon the world to further their global ambitions ? You say, “rogue Neocons”, and mention Bolton and Pompeo. Why not though someone like Perle ? As you said in a comment in January, “the neocons were overwhelmingly Jewish” and it is well known that their principle concern is Israel’s interests, not those of the USA.
    If the consensus of honest 911 researchers is that Israel was the principle culprit in the 911 plot, and if Piper holds the trump card in understanding JFK, then can we ask if what was true for The Final Judgement JFK theory also be true for the Covid theories:

    this “Chinese Connection” is, in reality, a guidepost pointing to the Israeli connection.

    The works of people like Ryan Dawson, Whitney Webb, Brendan O Connell, Adam Green and Jeremy Rothe-Kushel now stand out in their power to make sense of this all. An Israel-China belt and road looks to be an emerging hub of a new world order, a global control society functioning as a technocracy. Remember, it was chabadnik Kushner leading Operation Warp Speed as the US response to Covid. We now watch to see how much of the Gates network overlap with the Epstein/ Maxwell / MEGA group network will be revealed.
    Perhaps it is this post Covid world, that promises to fully realise Ben Gurion’s dream to,
    bring two of the world’s most ancient peoples together.”
    [i.e. the Chinese and the Jews].
    Also from Piper:

    This covert nuclear relationship between Red China and Israel was one that cemented the ties between the two nations, so much so that they increasingly began cooperating in other spheres—and gradually moving toward open acknowledgment of their long-standing behind-the-scenes contacts through their two intelligence agencies.

    All talk of US-China relations (or for that matter US-Russia relations) makes no sense without considering Israel’s connections and relations with all these states.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Harold Smith
    , @R2b
  398. @Mehen

    Godfree Roberts wrote about the allegedly exaggerated reaction of China in Wuhan. He quoted a private message he allegedly received:

    Was there a Great Chinese Covid Conspiracy? Did the PRC trick us into emulating them? A European epidemiologist based in China suspected as much and wrote me at the time:

    I find the Chinese government’s response extremely interesting, as though it deliberately exaggerated C-19. It seems the PRC is fanning fears on purpose, using maps filled with dark areas and shutting down everything everywhere–on a staggering scale. Few people realize just how big Wuhan is, and how significant Chinese New Year is in terms of people moving around and going in and out of those wet markets every day: literally hundreds of thousands of people leaving them, taking public transport, going home, exposing family and visiting relatives who in turn go to crowded areas and use public transport themselves. Comparing the paucity of cases to the population and the relatively low death rate, I suspect Wuhan was practicing for a really serious outbreak, when people die like flies. And, just as they did with SARS, the government has taken copious notes on how to improve–and showing us how China will respond.

    The Great Covid Conspiracy of Silence
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-great-covid-conspiracy-of-silence/

    There are also two comments by him on this subject:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4531048

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4532958

    I don’t know whether those videos you mention are part of the phenomenon addressed by Godfree Roberts. As you said, we don’t know who made them.

    On the other hand, a Chinese professor recently declared (as per the English subtitles provided to us) that China won the biological war in 2020:

    • Thanks: Mehen
    • Replies: @denk
  399. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    That comment of mine is not a “conspiracy theory.”
    Furthermore, we have no idea what was in the diary—what conversations with JFK
    Meyer might have recorded.
    Also, a lover’s diary probably is not a source of solid evidence regarding JFK’s general foreign policy, and it wasn’t mentioned as such a source.
    “Conspiracy theory” as wielded by you is generally, in my perception, overkill. Time for some new expressions.

  400. denk says:
    @cranc

    Mostly likely scenario,
    Those are fakes, courtesy of the same perps who produced all those dubious videos on UIghurs, dogs, bats etc etc….

  401. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    Hi, Alfred,

    I don’t have a problem with the video, but someone on my (very small) email list had a problem with its high production values and said he was suspicious of it for that reason. Which I found odd, to say the least.

    I responded that that is an ad-hominem argument—what part of the info didn’t he agree with?;
    the shoe is on the wrong foot when it comes to the public being bombarded with sophisticated propaganda for over a year;
    finally someone has produced a good, high-production-value pushback, and who paid for this irrelevant.

    Nevertheless I just thought, for the record, that it might be interesting to know who produced the video. I thought it was excellently done.
    But there are for sure good reasons for this person, or group, staying behind the curtain.
    Especially in light of I think the last frame, which asks the Big One: With all of these phenomena, What is the real agenda here.

    Regarding the question of what is actually in the jabs, this video (!!??!!–third-rail low evidentiary source alert!!) with MIT’s Dr. Stephanie Seneff is extremely informative:
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/23/stephanie-seneff-covid-vaccine.aspx?ui=b574c467c0b6fd2676d8609508c26a62db6f6c2cf53c88d819fd3b12e06753e2&sd=20161120&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210523_HL2&mid=DM891901&rid=1164941610

    For Ron ((:-)), here is the just-published 46-page paper:
    https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23

    • Agree: Robert Snefjella
    • Thanks: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @Alfred
  402. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Then there is the possibility of zero motive, merely an inadvertent lab escape.

    Although the possibility of a lab escape was high and cannot therefore be excluded, the Gates-backed Event 201, which took place in October 2019, suggests foreknowledge, which in turn, implies that the release of Covid was a deliberate act. Maybe a criminal act organized by a person or persons with a major financial interest in vaccines.

    If such a person had a messiah complex related to a belief in their superior understanding of climate change and climate-change mitigation technology, they might also have been motivated by a desire to instigate a global human population collapse, which Covid-19 may yet achieve.

    At present, most people seem to think we are at the beginning of the end of the Covid pandemic, and that mass vaccination will end the crisis. But that is far from certain.

    Vaccination during a pandemic has the potential to drive viral immune escape. That may now be happening. Several research papers published last month report evidence of the potential of the Covid vaccines to induce viral immune escape:

    Cell: Evidence of escape of SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.351 from natural and vaccine-induced sera

    Plos One: Risk of rapid evolutionary escape from biomedical interventions targeting SARS-CoV-2 spike protein

    So we may now be entering a world of scary variants that will just keep on coming, in which case the pandemic has no end in sight.

    The impact, economic, emotional and on human health would certainly drive fertility rates down for years to come.

    • Replies: @Exosome
  403. denk says:
    @Brás Cubas

    forchrissake,

    I just told another poster the other day, assuming thats what she say,…

    Obviously she meant

    we’ve prevail over everything they throw at us, the trade war, the tech war, the biowarfare…

    Surely its an epoch-making historical record.”

    Seriously, you think a Fudan prof would openly declare victory on a Chinese biowarfare. ?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  404. denk says:
    @cranc

    An Israel-China belt and road looks to be an emerging hub of a new world order,

    Big bro disallow Israeli arms sales to China,

    BIg bro order Tel Aviv to renege on the Haifa port project and water desalination plant with China,

    You talking about a Israel China BRI ?

    ROFLMAO !

    • Replies: @frontier
  405. Exosome says:
    @CanSpeccy

    the Gates-backed Event 201, which took place in October 2019, suggests foreknowledge, which in turn, implies that the release of Covid was a deliberate act.

    I think this is flawed logic.

    Yes, salesman Gates with his pharma, banking and tech mafia had foreknowledge. However, it does not imply something was released or escaped some lab. It only means, these people war gamed what is happening.
    Point is, there does not have to be any release or so, the mere suggestion does it all without any tangible proof. Which is what has been going on with “viruses” for long time now.
    “Covid” is just the endgame in the multi decade “virus” psyop, next psyop will be “Spars” in 2025-2028, and all to depopulate the planet and make people who survive this assault in fact remote controlled drones, like the Borg in Star Trek.

    There is simply no “virus”, just the contagious fear of a fictional particle which is spread deliberately.

  406. Dumbo says:

    So, is Mr. Unz taking the vaccine?

    And in that case, which one?

    I suppose the Chinese one, since according to his logic would be the safest, I guess.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @lysias
  407. @cranc

    We have been led into a set of false narratives about the origins of the virus:

    1. That the virus does not exist.
    2. That the virus leaped from bats to humans
    3. That the virus was an accidental lab leak in Wuhan
    4. That the virus was an accidental lab leak in the US
    5. That the virus was released by agents of the Chinese state to destroy its competitors
    6. That the virus was released by US deep state operatives to economically harm its adversary China
    None of these fit all the evidence, and the back and forward between them is something of a wild goose chase.

    This statement seems incomplete, incorrect, imprecise and misleading.

    1. That the virus does not exist.

    Who’s leading “us” to believe that there is no virus? AFAIK no author of any peer reviewed paper, nor anyone with any credibility in any influential position anywhere that I’m aware of, is claiming that there is no such thing as SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    2. That the virus leaped from bats to humans

    You left out that another animal may have been an intermediate host, as some researchers have suggested.

    5. That the virus was released by agents of the Chinese state to destroy its competitors
    6. That the virus was released by US deep state operatives to economically harm its adversary China

    The deliberate lab-release “origin” of the virus, the identity of those responsible for releasing it and their possible motive for doing so are three different things. By lumping them together like this you create a strawman which excludes other possibilities. For example how do you know it wasn’t released by a psychopath working at a U.S. lab somewhere? How do you know it wasn’t released on high-level authority of the U.S. “government” as an attempt to deflect blame for impending economic collapse in the U.S.? How do you know it wasn’t an orwellian U.S. “government” scheme to cull some useless eaters and subsequently identify/stigmatize those people who distrust the establishment by way of vaccine refusal?

    None of these fit all the evidence, and the back and forward between them is something of a wild goose chase.

    What evidence is there for example that rules out a release from a U.S. lab, either accidentally or on purpose?

    • Replies: @Exosome
  408. @denk

    I agree 100% with your interpretation of prof. Chen Ping’s words as they are translated in the video subtitles. I’m sorry if I came across as implying otherwise. It’s obvious though that the author of the tweet — an anti-China propagandist — is trying to spin it into having a more sinister meaning.

    Anyway, what I intended was to juxtapose that recent statement by professor Chen Ping with China’s early reaction to the outbreak and the suspicions that it was exaggerated for the Western audience, and raise some questions like: is China sure it was attacked? was it sure already in the early days of the pandemic? and possibly others which I can’t think of promptly.

    • Thanks: denk
    • Replies: @denk
  409. Antiwar7 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think a lot of Jimmy Dore’s appeal is that he says things his listeners would like to hear, but for many of those listeners, none of their friends and colleagues feel the same way. So it’s a place for social validation. To feel that they’re part of a group, instead of a lone oddball.

    People are social creatures, and there’s some value in that.

    Though you’re absolutely right about the pace of information transfer. YouTube let’s one control the rate of playback, but it’s hard to understand past a speedup factor of 1.5.

  410. denk says:
    @Brás Cubas

    The BS is coming on thick and furious.

    These days its so crude duno whether to laugh or cry…

    For example, the so-called Gen Chi Hao Tian speech where he ‘openly called for biowarfare to kill millions of gringos ‘ keep being regurgitated ad nauseam even tho it sounds so ridiculous and had already been debunked many times before.

    Too much BS, too little time.

    • Replies: @Exosome
  411. Exosome says:
    @Harold Smith

    What evidence is there for example that rules out a release from a U.S. lab, either accidentally or on purpose?

    What evidence is there for any “virus”?
    Where is evidence for contagion of these unproven particles?

    [MORE]

    That’s the very first questions to be answered, before you can even think about asking yours.

    There are only “virus cultures” ie dying tissue, enriched with toxic substances, which let tissue die, eg anti-biotics(meaning anti-life!) they mix in this “virus culture”.
    Virologists obsess over the death of tissue, by deliberately poisoning a sample, usually from animals.
    They obsess over the waste and decomposition of tissue, and then they pick some temporary particle and deem it “virus”, while at the same time admitting, their “virus” cannot be differentiated from exosomes.
    They basically obsess over the body’s waste disposal, caused by toxins and environment.

    Hence, any CDC like criminal organization cannot provide you with a purified “virus” sample. It does not exist, by their own statements.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  412. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    “All he seemed to do was quote small portions of the important Nicholas Wade article, and also show clips of a few other people saying the same thing. Given the slow reading and all the pauses, I think the content material was diluted by a factor of 5x in time-required. That’s exactly why I almost never watch videos.”

    Jimmy Dore’s delivery can be quite funny.
    At other times it can drag, and get bogged down by unfunny comments made by his “chorus.”
    He has for sure brought complicated issues to the attention of people who otherwise wouldn’t know anything about them.

    Why waste your time and energy dissing Jimmy Dore?
    You and he serve totally different audiences.
    This is a quirky choice for a typical “video” standing in for all videos—seems likely to have been chosen to prove to yourself that there is nothing to be gained by any “videos” whatsoever.
    I have learned a great deal from watching various videos. For example, the video of Dr. Peter McCullough’s testimony before the Texas Senate DHH Committee.
    It is true that many online news shows that feature videos have inexperienced presenters/interviewers.
    This IMO is basically a symptom of the fact that more experienced, competent presenters in the MSM are all toeing the official covid line, whatever it happens to be. (Even Dr. Mercola and James Corbett could improve their game, but hey, no one is perfect.)

    “I think videos are mostly aimed at people who can’t accept anything until “they’ve seen it on TV.””
    Huh. Are you equating watching a video online with “TV”?

    It certainly is true that many people do not have the concentration to read long scientific papers.
    Or to watch long, detailed video presentations, for that matter.

    That point is irrelevant to me, since I don’t own a TV.

    I am very grateful to find competent online journalists in subjects that interest me.

    I already linked the video interview of Dr. Stephanie Seneff upthread.
    On a different topic, here is another very good job, from the Syrian Girl:
    http://thesaker.is/why-israel-is-the-jewish-isis/

  413. Exosome says:
    @denk

    Yeah, its the same BS as “the Iraqis pull the babies out of the incubators”.
    The Chinese serve as enemy bogeyman for this massive crime, which has so jewish perpetrators, while in reality, the Chinese are just on board with the “great reset” as the US empire and the vassals are, and any WHO/UN member.
    Communism with high tech control is the aim, the China model, social credits etc.

    “Covid” seems to also become a new religion, just like Evolution theory, “climate change” and democracy. It just requires belief and fear of the “covid” god.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  414. frontier says:
    @denk

    Big bro disallow Israeli arms sales to China, BIg bro order Tel Aviv to renege on the Haifa port project

    Games like this are quite normal in trade negotiations, it’s a way to get better terms and it doesn’t make a dent in cranc’s reasoning.

  415. I had an e-mail exchange today with Dr. Rossana Segreto, who published one of the first papers about the artificial origin of the Sars Cov 2 19 strain. I asked her about the variants and what they could tell you more about the country of origin. She suggested that the likelyhood that the source of origin should be where more variability is seen . „Long ago“ Russana

    continued in her e- mail „ this work from Foster has been heavily criticiced because it seemed to hint to an origin in the USA…“

    • Replies: @Exosome
    , @utu
  416. @Skeptikal

    Also Mercola posted a transcript of the video interview:

    https://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/DrMercola-StephanieSeneff-TheRapidMassDeploymentofCOVID19Vaccinations.pdf

    This is immensely useful and I wish more people would do it. There was a podcast host on this very website who said he “did not have time to make transcripts.”

    In other words (and since I didn’t mention the fellow’s name here I am going to be mean) his time is far too valuable to waste it saving your insignificant time.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  417. Exosome says:
    @Pharmacologist

    Did she also explain to you, that these alleged variants are “insilico” ie computer generated, which do not exist? Pure theoretical constructs by a 2 software programs, which fill in the gaps between the many fragments, which they call “alignment”.

    [MORE]

    Bottom line, there is no fully isolated complete genome available, only “insilico” generated genomes, which vary with the template they use.
    Its a mental construct, these “variants” generated by software.

    let alone, there is no test to even test for a “virus”, only a PCR manufacturing process, which again depends on the templates used, and is not to be (ab)used for diagnostics.
    If they used a “ebola” template to “test” “covid”, you’d have positive “ebola”. Meaningless “tests”.

  418. @Exosome

    If by ‘climate change’ you mean anthropogenic climate destabilisation, then that is SCIENCE not religion. For a real death-cult one must look to the denialism of creatures like you. PS The vast majority of Chinese see their system as democratic, and they are correct.

    • LOL: Exosome
  419. utu says:
    @Pharmacologist

    You should have asked her how Yuri Deigin found her or was it her who found him.

    • Replies: @Pharmacologist
  420. level says:

    According to an Italian research article looking at blood samples from an earlier lung cancer screening trial, people all over Italy had sars-cov-2 antibodies as early as September 2019. Meaning they were infected in late August.

    «This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.»

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  421. Alfred says:
    @Skeptikal

    but someone on my (very small) email list had a problem with its high production values and said he was suspicious of it for that reason.

    As you pointed out, that is a ridiculous thing to say. I mean, the whole of the internet and MSM is pushing the same story – with massive consistency and firepower. It is obvious that they are all getting identical orders from a central source. The same applies to almost all politicians – even in 3rd world countries. That smacks of very detailed planning over many years. These politicians had to be either bought up or coerced and that cannot be done overnight. 🙂

    I suspect that there are some wealthy people who can see the downside of what is currently going on. I doubt if it cost more than $10,000 to put the video together – once the data has been assembled. A trivial sum when the import of its message is taken into account.

    Obviously, these people don’t want to have their bank accounts frozen or to be put on a no-fly list. I cannot blame them for keeping low profiles.

    I will take a look at the link you presented for Mr Unz in due course. Thank you.

    In “primitive” South Sudan, the locals do not trust the vaccine their government (in cahoots with the UK) is trying to give them. I wish the public in the UK had as much wisdom as these people. The only person wearing a mask is the idiot presenter from a UK TV channel.


  422. lysias says:
    @Dumbo

    I’m not taking any covid vaccine. I’m reasonably confident all the Vitamin D and Vitamin C I take is enough to protect me. Beyond that, I suspect the bad colds I and a friend caught in the D.C. area and recovered from in October 2019 were covid. A brother of mine died in early February 2020 of a disease that bears all the earmarks of covid. He caught it after visiting the Sloan-Kettering cancer hospital in New York in late December 2019. My friend and I spent a half hour visiting him in hospital in January 2020. We did not catch whatever he had, I suspect because we had developed resistance. His son came down with a bad cold/flu after visiting him in hospital that laid him up for a week

  423. Skeptikal says:
    @Morton's toes

    I agree that a transcript can be really valuable, esp. when it is basically talking heads.

    But it probably does require quite a lot of time to make.
    Or is there software that can do this?

    I had heard something about Dr. Seneff’s work, so I was glad to see her “in person.”

  424. Skeptikal says:
    @level

    Could they have been infected earlier, and had antibodies from the earlier illness.

    But at time of the test, were recovered and hence had no symptoms?

    Or was it that they had antibodies but were unaware that they were ever ill?

    I

  425. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    I thought the animations were quite clever.

  426. @Ron Unz

    It was pretty clearly a rogue operation unauthorized by the top American leadership, a perfect example of how totally dysfunctional the American government has become.

    I find this remark rather ingenuous. All what the top leadership needs is a plausible deniality. As for lies, we have the words of Pompeo.

    In fact instead of a deniality, the top leadership charged fully the Chinese (“Chinese virus”!). The top leadership is in full geer against the rise of China’s economy. The top leadership is financing so many military biolabs that it is very difficult to say that these are not authorised by him.

    https://armswatch.com/

  427. @utu

    I will ask her,of course, and ,by the way ,what do you imply with your question? She is a young and decent scientist .I came across her publications only very recently.Yuri Deigin has not be investigated by me in detail and what his background is.
    Are you suggesting, that her research is driven or inspired by somebody else ?And why ?To use a young scientist in a small university in little Austria to publish ,what is confirmed by two noble prize winners ?
    Tell us more and we will ask Rossana ,who left Innsbruck for good now to Norway, what her story and the relation with Yuri Deigin is.And , of course, Yuri may be given the opportunity to respond as well.

  428. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    Covid was around since early 2019. The “leak” shut down by the CDC at Biowarfare lab Ft Detrick in August 2019 was fake to provide “plausible deniability” if need be. Same with the funding all over the place. China was set up so that Covid was “discovered” there the same way you plant fake evidence on a patsy. Fauci prohibited the use of long accepted medications to treat Covid but allowed an untested vaccine. That tells you who created and planted Covid. And Cui Bono.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @anonym25
  429. @Exosome

    What evidence is there for any “virus”?
    Where is evidence for contagion of these unproven particles?

    So according to you there’s no such things as corona virus, rabies virus, polio virus, ebola virus, human immunodeficiency virus, powassan virus, etc…no any-kind-of-virus? It’s all a scam, and all the hundreds of thousands of papers at pubmed on the subject (such as the following-linked one) are all wrong? And all the authors involved are either liars or incompetent fools?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7094943/

    And what about other pathogenic microorganisms e.g. Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria said to cause Lyme disease, or tick borne zoonoses in general? No bacteria, no parasites no prions?

    That’s the very first questions to be answered, before you can even think about asking yours.

    No it isn’t, not for you at least. The first question for you may be something like: What was it that caused the outbreak of the mysterious respiratory illness at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield VA in June and July of 2019?

  430. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    In his old blog years ago Mangan ( a microbiologist) talked about Chinese lab workers and he said in his experience they they were remarkably accident prone.

    I remember Mangan’s old blog. “Mangan’s Miscellany” or something to that effect.

    Mangan used to be a fanatical vegan, and I remember how he used to write about his vegan diet and lifestyle and how he was going to live very long compared to meat eaters.

    Then his blog transitioned to more of a right wing blog, and eventually he dropped veganism and blogging altogether and more recently has become some sort of carnivore diet and weight lifting advocate and lifestyle salesman. In a mirror image of his earlier vegan and cardio exercise days, he now boasts of how his meat heavy diet and weight lifting will increase lifespan compared to vegans and normal people.

    Of course people’s habits and beliefs can change, but he’s never seemed to have had a skeptical, measured bent and seems prone to fads. He was 100% sure of veganism as he is now of his new diet and lifestyle.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Sean
  431. @Wade

    Agree that Gates & Schwab do not have biolabs, but did jump to take advantage of the situation, as did big pharma.

    Building on the Unz theory, which I buy into, I think there are three distinct aspects to this. I had a hard time seeing how ALL the various players involved were connected until I had this aha moment.
    1) Yes, the US bungled a biowarfare attack on China, and it came back and bit them (and the rest of us) big time. They have every reason to do it (declining empire, cannot win a war, cannot afford/not enough oil for a hot war) while China, in my eyes, had no reason to do it (rising empire, BRI, major deals & ports in South America and Africa, relations with resource rich Russia, dos not need USA for anything)
    2) Klaus and Bill with their Great Reset plans were not yet ready to implement, but the opportunity presented – a new way to foment global fear and panic – was too good to pass up. Rush headlong into fear campaign, lock downs and light a fire under big pharma to move plans forward big time. Major goof thinking there would be no push back.
    3) Big pharma rushes out the jabs that were already under development but not yet ready. Salivating over the profit potentials, they did not anticipate the number of deaths and adverse reactions (as speculated by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich in the class action lawsuits). Major goof that will go down in history as the biggest crime ever against humanity.

    And lastly, they did not count on millions of smart people digging up facts and evidence As with any collusion between many people, sooner or later, people cave in and become whistleblowers. With a disaster of this scale, many who are complicit will have a crisis of conscience. We are seeing more every day. There are holes in the Great Reset dam, which will soon burst 🙏🏻. I can only hope this happens before too many more people are harmed or die.

    When the masses learn what the oligarchs and their bribed accomplices have done there will be no where on this Earth for those involved to hide!

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  432. utu says:
    @westcoastjan

    Grand conspiracy scenarios with Soros, Gates and Schwab in leading roles are strangely appealing to people who lost hope and as the defeated people seem to like to dwell on the fantasy of their own genocide to which they are going to be subjected. Their only form of resistance is their refusal to accept reality proposed by the the medical establishment by throwing away all science based explanations of the virus, the pandemic and vaccines.

    To what extent the spread of conspiracies can be blamed for the failure of the West to tackle the pandemic in effective way as it was done in few places like Taiwan and New Zealand? In Taiwan rumormongers about the pandemic were fined or even arrested. Should we consider all those fantasies about the Great Reset, Depopulation and Global Infertility as if a cognitive malware has been planted on purpose and spread by the usual suspects who always wanted and want to disorganize and to weaken the Western societies by disinformation and amplification of confciting beliefs and ideations.

    Germany’s COVID sceptics fuelled by Russian media and far-Right conspiracies (31 March, 2021)
    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/germanys-covid-sceptics-fuelled-by-russian-media-and-far-right-conspiracies/

    Every time when now and then Steve Sailer posts something about the pandemic his commentariat transforms from seemingly rational (in a narrow sense) racists stance to helpless paranoid victims of the Grand Conspiracy as if the planted malware was activated every time whenever the Covid-19 is brought up. Their deplorability index jumps up and the future credibility falls to zero. The cognitive malware is doing its job as if Cass Sunstein has designed it.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Brás Cubas
  433. Mehen says:

    After reading certain commenters’ contributions to our collective understanding, I’ve come around to the view that most of the analysis here is bogged down by simplistic notions of nation-states.

    There is the fact that both U.S. authorities/scientists were working/exchanging information and funds with Chinese scientists and authorities.

    And we all know there are transnational globalists/oligarchs who care for nothing about their home countries. They only care about themselves.

    So any analysis which relies on a simple “white hat/black hat” interpretation of geopolitical machination and “nation states” is necessarily kneecapped by the fact the people with power don’t operate within those categories.

    This possibility makes it quite a bit more complicated for us little people to sus out what is really going on. Especially considering most of us are far removed from what is going on *behind the curtain*

    With this possibility in mind, I dearly hope folks like Mr. Unz and their “connections” to “insiders” will shed more light, someday.

  434. Dumbo says:
    @utu

    In Taiwan rumormongers about the pandemic were fined or even arrested.

    This would make you happy wouldn’t it? Some people really dislike freedom of thought.

    To what extent the spread of conspiracies can be blamed for the failure of the West to tackle the pandemic in effective way

    I would say very little. The disease was very different in different countries (and even in different regions in the same country), independently of what people thought about it.

    as it was done in few places like Taiwan and New Zealand?

    Taiwan and New Zealand are islands, moron.

    I see exactly the opposite of what you see. This pandemic stuff showed that some people really, really like authoritarian measures, and even love the pandemic situation itself. I bet a lot of people like Utu will be really, really sad when this is over, because they won’t be able anymore to berate others for not wearing masks, for not washing their hands, for not having a valid vaccine passport, for meeting their friends or relatives without authorization from the government, etc.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @utu
  435. If the US did it to China, why did they get hit so hard? Why Crazy Nancy, the WHO and the Socialist International did everything to spread the disease, naming everyone which wanted to stop the migration of Chinese racists? WHY IS THE WEST STILL IN SOME FORMS OF LOCKDOWN WITH THE PEOPLE MUZZLED LIKE DOGS WITH AN ECONOMY IN SHAMBLES WHILE CHINA IS THRIVING?

    The Neo-Cons are Jews which are hand in hand with Communist China to collapse the West, the same as they were hand in hand with Stalinist Russia to destroy Germany. THE JEWISH MEDIA is the mouth piece of the CCP as a century ago was the mouth piece of the Soviet Union.

    “WE DID IT BEFORE AND CAN DO IT AGAIN” – Chaim Weizmann.

    THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW THEIR HISTORY ARE CONDAMNED TO REPEAT IT.

    • Replies: @anonym25
    , @Harold Smith
  436. @westcoastjan

    You forgot the real reason that divides the USA and China-morality. The Chinese understand that bio-warfare is Evil, so their research, like their military, is defensive. The USA in contrast, has no morality but ‘do0minance’ characterised by ceaseless aggression, near constant war since 1776, huge massacres of civilians and, germane to this question, a long history of biological and chemical warfare. The vastest bio-warfare establishment, by far, is that controlled by the USA, where research on weaponising diseases and pest species goes on around the clock.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  437. @Anonymous

    Sounds like Mangan was a Sinophobe racist. Chinese science and technology looks pretty competent to me.

    • Replies: @Sean
  438. @Alfred

    In South Sudan people would be taking hydroxychloroquine for malaria and ivermectin for worm infestations, hence the very much lower risk than in the West, dominated by Big Pharma and its political stooges, and the various medical Mafias.

    • Agree: Alfred
  439. anonym25 says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s correct. Neither are Ft Detrick nor the Wuhab lab responsible for the covid19 outbreak. The Russians have pointed to Porton Down as the responsible for Covid19. Both China and the Trump administration were suckered into believing this obvious lie. Now the damage is done and China is on the ropes as more fake intelligence reports hint at a possible accidental leak at WIH. Clearly China is set up to be the fall guy for this bioweapon when in reality China was targeted by it along with the military soldiers at the Wuhan Military Games.

    • LOL: Sean
  440. @utu

    Agree 100%. It’s funny that there was an article here at unz.com — I don’t remember the author — who argued that, since Russia is predominantly white and upholds conservative values, American whites really shouldn’t care whether Russia was surreptitiously influencing the U.S., and they didn’t see it as treason to abet that kind of thing. Now we see Putin puppets like Israel Shamir and Mike Whitney leading their pack of followers of all races to expose themselves to sickness as a revolt against “totalitarianism”. It’s macabre.

    That’s why I think people like Ron Unz and Glenn Greenwald who obsessively focus on media falsities regarding Russian interference are omitting a greater truth while perhaps denouncing smaller lies. It’s obvious that Russia is interfering in the U.S. and in Europe. And the funny thing is that neither of those journalists are nationalists themselves; the former, although self-defined as a conservative, is immigration-friendly and agnostic; the latter isn’t even a conservative in any sense of the word; he is even helping promote leftist politics in my own country while claiming he is an impartial journalist without an ideological agenda.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Levtraro
  441. According to a US intelligence report cited by the paper, three staff members from the institute became so ill that they required hospital care weeks before Beijing acknowledged the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

    One source told the Wall Street Journal that the intelligence was provided by a foreign ally and could be significant but required further verification

    https://www.rt.com/news/524617-wuhan-lab-hospital-covid-staff-sick/

  442. anonym25 says:
    @Zyraxes Rex

    I doubt that neocons are hand in hand with communist China. They have, since Obama’s pivot to Asia foreign policy, vowed to slow down or even interrupt China’s rise, but they had to deal with Russia and the Syrian war first which therefore curtailed their efffort to stymie China’s expanding influence. Now the situation has reversed and consider China as the number 1 threat and, contrary to Trump’s assertion that China was the whole time conspiring against him with the democrats, are expanding on Trump’s “cold war” against China.

    The anti-China crowd was already present in the democrat’s camp, the problem is that they didn’t time to develop a thorough anti-China campaign as well as they did with the Russian one. Trump did the dirty work for them and now they want to capitalize on that. To wit, look at the negative news concerning China. They continue unabated and now they are being disseminated all over Europe and other US-aligned countries with the democrats help. They have taken Trump’s thorn off the fraught relationship with those countries and want to establish an anti-China front while possibly neutralizing Russia’s and Iran’s help.

    • Agree: Iris, emersonreturn
  443. Skeptikal says:
    @Dumbo

    “This pandemic stuff showed that some people really, really like authoritarian measures, and even love the pandemic situation itself. I bet a lot of people like Utu will be really, really sad when this is over, because they won’t be able anymore to berate others for not wearing masks, for not washing their hands, for not having a valid vaccine passport, for meeting their friends or relatives without authorization from the government, etc. ”

    Spot on.

    Assuming Ron’s thesis is correct or near correct, IMO the bigger question, or challenge, is to understand how the follow-up “proto-toto” (proto-totalitarian) situation was successfully imposed.

    IMO there is ample evidence that the proto-toto response was coordinated.
    (Psst: That is what makes it totalitarian. Total.)
    How was that done? Which actors? Communicating how?

    Even relatively small events look to me like such evidence. E.g., Fauci’s flipflopping on mask wearing. It seems like after his first (no masks, don’t worry) messaging to the public, he got the real message: masking is now policy. So he did a 180 turn.

    [MORE]

    Dr. Michael Osterholm, in his June 2, 2020, podcast on the science behind mask wearing, called out the CDC for the sloppiness of their documentation supporting mask mandates. He said that most f the studies they cited weren’t even about masks. Later, Osterholm must have come under pressure because he was careful to hedge with his advice to follow local rules. This was what the pandemic-loving control freaks constantly cited to counter any rational discussion of the costs/benefits mask wearing.

    Did the mask wearing mandate come from watching Chinese videos?
    Did the idea of lockdowns mandate come from copy-catting China?
    Who came up with that terrifying word, lockdown, with its very strong association with prisons?
    To the best of my knowledge its previous use had been confined to the context of quelling a prison riot.
    A search for synonyms for “lockdown” gives this:

    What is another word for lockdown?
    solitary confinement confinement
    custody detention
    imprisonment incarceration
    holding cell isolation
    solitary the hole

    Well, yeah. This word choice feels to me like an act of psychological terror. They might as well have called the lockdown action Rikers, Folsom, or Alcatraz.

    Just a couple of examples from the USA.
    OTOH, perhaps all of the agendas we have been experiencing all are results of the working of Smithian “hidden hands.”

    Inquiring minds really want to know!

    Any responses or new posts on this subject containing the phrase “conspiracy theory/ist” will be automatically flagged on my intellectual OS as toxic virus, intellectually dishonest, lazy, and indicative of hostile intent and will to dominate—not of collaborative problem solving.

  444. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Mangan does know about microbiology labs though and several hours ag0 he reweeted this:

    A change of heart? Now Fauci says he’s not convinced SARS-CoV-2 developed naturally & calls for further investigation. It may not be too long before SARS-CoV-2 is proven to have resulted from Wuhan lab’s gain-of-function research, which was funded by Fauci

    It really is a bit too much of a coincidence for that particular lab that took bat coronaviruses and amped them up to infect human cells to be a mile or so down the road from the seafood market where most of the earliest Covid-19 cases cluster.

    Long before the pandemic, Martin Rees had a public bet with Steven Pinker about bio terror or bio error killing a million people. Moreover, bat lady/ Baric’s experiments were very heavily criticized in the media and it was specifically said by experts that no one could predict the consequences if the modified viruses escaped (translation: there’d be a pandemic). I don’t find that newspapers immediately started speculating on a lab accident in the bat lady’s Wuhan lab where she was doing the gain of function stuff she learned from Baric as odd at all, given that this possibility was already in the public domain in the warnings year before from other scientist in the US and France, and then it seemed to have happened. In Wuhan of all places!

    To me, Ron’s coincidences with timing, when Chinese travel, location at a travel hub and the suffering of Iranian leadership is circumstantial. but not conclusive evidence. The US officers at the games seems a little bit obvious for such a very. very secret operation. China has strong military forces and ICBMs; a bioweapon attack on China would be grounds for a shooting war if they found out or even strongly suspected; was Bolton literally trying to start WW3? Those bats are a thousand miles from Wuhan. The alleged US Deep state guilty knowledge with the putative DIA report would be cast iron but depends on newspaper reports and sadly journalist sometimes make things up. The brute fact of the Baric/ bat lady experiments having such propinquity with the relevant wet market is the main evidence of causality. Now Trump is safely out the way, the scientists are seeing the light. Trump understood in a heartbeat because the Donald knows about three things: location, location and location.

    Ron’s point about MERS and SARS having not really affected America being what led the Deep State cabal to stupidly assume that Covid-19 would similarly be harmless to the US fails to take into account the crucial guilty knowledge: in his scenario the conspirators would know that Covid-19 was a engineered bioweapon not a naturally arising coronavirus, and so quite different from MERS and SARS.

  445. utu says:
    @Dumbo

    “Taiwan and New Zealand are islands, moron.” – So are UK and Ireland. Closing borders with Canada and Mexico effectively makes the US an island as well. Anyway the outcome of controlling the epidemics depends on political will and determination on what you do within your country and not on the geography – at least not in the 21th century when most of the traffic is by air between countries that do not have common borders like, say Spain and Germany or Italy and Finland. During the first wave in Europe all Central European countries shut down their borders and by July they had the lowest infection rates in Europe but then they squandered it: opened borders, relaxed on social distancing and were lousy in contact tracing and were hit with strongest waves in the fall. Norway and Finland continued social distancing and effective contact tracing and ended up with the lowest deaths per capita in Europe. Norway even ended up having negative ‘excess’ deaths as other infectious diseases were suppressed as well and the number of covid deaths were very low (about 150 deaths per million) which is about 10 times lower than Sweden or UK.

    Your idiocy has one excuse only: it is not isolated and actually shared by many among the rightoids to whom Ron Unz caters his site’s content. This idiocy set you up on the curse of impossibilism and doom as you prefer to think to be a victim of grand conspiracies than you can do nothing about them. Victimhood as Jews would tell you is surprisingly very empowering. So here you have a psychological factor for being sucked up by the grand conspiracies. But Jews do something about their victimhood and get plenty of mileage out of it while you the deplorable rightoids just whine and bitch and wait for Gates and Schwab to cut off your oxygen supply in the deranged fantasy of yours.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  446. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As I recall he said they often broke the laboratory equipment. Bat lady was taught how to do these Frankenstein pathogen experiments by Ralph Baric, so yes the Chinese are are laggards in science. The US State Department had warned about a risk of virus escapes from the Wuhan lab in as early as 2014.

    [MORE]

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance

    Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance
    Filed Under: Dual-Use Research; Pandemic Influenza
    Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News | Dec 19, 2017
    NIH
    The National Institutes of Health (NIH) today lifted a 3-year moratorium on funding gain-of-function (GOF) research on potential pandemic viruses such as avian flu, SARS, and MERS, opening the door for certain types of research to resume.

    The Wall Street Journal
    New report of illnesses at Wuhan lab raises questions about origins of COVID-19
    Published: May 23, 2021 at 4:51 p.m. ET
    By Michael R. Gordon, Warren P. Strobel and Drew Hinshaw

    WASHINGTON — Three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the COVID-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory. The details of the reporting go beyond a State Department fact sheet, issued during the final days of the Trump administration, which said that several researchers at the lab, a center for the study of coronaviruses and other pathogens, became sick in autumn 2019 “with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 …”

    Have you ever been to the hospital for a cold in the same timeframe as two coworkers?

  447. Bahmi says:
    @Getaclue

    Gates, Fauci, and the rest of the slimeballs need to be arrested immediately. What in the world are we waiting for? Of course, we don’t want Supreme Court involvement.

    The major lawsuits being put together by Dr Reiner Fuellmich should be the agency for the trying and hanging of these big thinking rodents. Bring back the firing squads, too.

  448. SteveK9 says:
    @Catdog

    I haven’t read Wade’s article yet, but shortly after the pandemic started I read this paper, published in 2015:

    A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
    Vineet D Menachery1, Boyd L Yount Jr1, Kari Debbink1,2, Sudhakar Agnihothram3, Lisa E Gralinski1, Jessica A Plante1, Rachel L Graham1, Trevor Scobey1, Xing-Yi Ge4, Eric F Donaldson1, Scott H Randell5,6, Antonio Lanzavecchia7, Wayne A Marasco8,9, Zhengli-Li Shi4 & Ralph S Baric1,2

    1Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 2Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 3National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, Arkansas, USA. 4Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China. 5Department of Cell Biology and Physiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 6Cystic Fibrosis Center, Marsico Lung Institute, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 7Institute for Research in Biomedicine, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland. 8Department of Cancer Immunology and AIDS, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. 9Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Correspondence should be addressed to R.S.B. (rbaric@email.unc.edu) or V.D.M. (vineet@email.unc.edu).

    VOLUME 21 | NUMBER 12 | DECEMBER 2015 nature medicine

    This is work carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in collaboration with Baric’s lab at UNC. It describes ‘gain-of-function’ research on bat coronaviruses. This is not my field, but it reads like a description of SARS-Cov-2. I told my son in March 2020, that it was very likely this pathogen was released due to a containment failure in Wuhan. I’ve never seen anything since that sounded more probable. I do think it was a failure due to incompetence, not deliberate.

    This research is supposed to generate more deadly, more infectious ‘variants’ of viruses, … so we can study them and know what to do if they arise naturally. Does that sound as insane to you as it does to me?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Blissex
  449. denk says:

    Big bro disallow Israeli arms sales to China, BIg bro order Tel Aviv to renege on the Haifa port project

    [MORE]

    frontier

    Games like this are quite normal in trade negotiations, it’s a way to get better terms and it doesn’t make a dent in cranc’s reasoning.

    Pompass snapped an order ,
    ‘Stop all deals with China, cancel those you already committed to’.

    Tel Aviv jumped to attention and comply .

    Some biz tactics that !

    Cranz’s reasoning

    Cranc’s so-called Jew/Han new world order ?

    Israel-Palestine: US blocks UN statement for third time in a week
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/17/no-us-action-after-third-unsc-meeting-on-israel-palestine

    ====================
    The BS is coming on thick and furious.

    These days its so crude duno whether to laugh or cry…

    For example, the so-called Gen Chi Hao Tian speech……

    Exosome

    Yeah, its the same BS as “the Iraqis pull the babies out of the incubators”.
    The Chinese serve as enemy bogeyman for this massive crime,

    fukus [uk, us] have been slandering China for almost a century for now.
    [TAM, TIBET, UIGHURS, HK……]
    tip of an iceberg

  450. denk says:

    Should the U.S. intend to launch a global pandemic for the purposes of population reduction and/or genocide, what better mechanism than to plant a bug in a faraway country, to obscure the genesis of the initiating event and to make this appear as if this were out of the U.S.’s control and jurisdiction?

    The fact that several selective delivery systems for biological/chemical warfare have already been documented within the borders of the United States adds credence to the perception that a flu planted in another country could be used as a cover for a selective devastation of certain demographic groups within the First World. The declaration of a global pandemic gives the WHO the power to mandate vaccinations, overriding sovereign national law concerning the right of refusal.

    Rings a bell ?

    [MORE]

    SARS1
    H5N1
    H7N9
    Ebola
    dENGUE
    .
    .
    .
    COVID AKA SARS2 !

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

    ps
    stevek9
    You’r way behind the curve 🙁

  451. Skeptikal says:
    @SteveK9

    “Does that sound as insane to you as it does to me? ”

    Yes.

    I have always thought this excuse for such research was total BS, simply not credible to any average-intelligence person.

    Perhaps it is the above average of Lake Woebegone who find this thinking logical.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  452. @Zyraxes Rex

    The Neo-Cons are Jews which are hand in hand with Communist China to collapse the West, the same as they were hand in hand with Stalinist Russia to destroy Germany.

    That’s pure nonsense.

  453. Yee says:

    The South Koreans are protesting the US military shipping more virus into their bio-lab in South Korea…

    The US truly is a crazy and evil empire.

  454. denk says:

    empire watch 101
    put every story out of fukus thru an inverter and you’d be fine.

    [MORE]

    Peak orwellian
    sec of defence,
    cyber defence,
    space defence force,
    minuteman is peacemaker,
    .
    .
    .
    Get this,
    US has gof, aka ‘thread reduction‘ bio labs in 25 oversea countries….[1]
    ————————-

    ‘The priorities of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the area of bacteriology have been “catastrophically re-ordered” by emphasizing bioweapons research over non-bioweapons research, a prominent authority states.

    Giving priority to bioweapons research at NIH, started under the Bush Administration and continuing under President Obama, “diverts resources from critical public-health and scientific objectives,” says Richard Ebright, Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J.

    [2]

    If you think matters would be different under Trump or BIden, you havent read empire watch 101
    ‘In USA, you can change prez to your hearts content, except…they all read from the same ptb written script’

    [1]
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/07/15/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    [2]

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/biological-warfare-priority-to-bioweapons-research-over-public-health/18938?print=1

  455. @Skeptikal

    Dr. Strangelove.

    The logic apparently is our enemies are monstrous and we have no alternative.

    I recently read Copeland’s Game of Nations and he makes the offhand observation that the prime directive of the men in charge is to keep the nukes from flying and they are under a lot of pressure so anything and everything else they are up to gets a pass.

    So it’s OK they lie and cheat and steal and blackmail and sell drugs and deal slaves and rape and murder and torture. (I believe Pompeo left the last six off his list but he admitted he’s a liar so that is expected.)

  456. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    Norway even ended up having negative ‘excess’ deaths as other infectious diseases were suppressed as well and the number of covid deaths were very low (about 150 deaths per million) which is about 10 times lower than Sweden or UK.

    Your analysis ignores the role of geography, which is almost certainly the largest factor accounting for Norway’s low Covid death toll.

    As an illustration of the importance of the geographic factor, consider Vancouver Island, a community of almost one million people, living in mostly small towns strung out along one coastal highway. There the Covid death toll of 12 per million is far below Norway’s, whereas Vancouver and Seattle, which are separated from the island by a short stretch of salt water have massively higher death tolls, despite the close similarity in race, culture, income, healthcare system, lockdowns, masking, social distancing and vaccination effort.

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  457. utu says:
    @Brás Cubas

    There is a wide field between ‘my country right or wrong’ and a constructive criticism of your own country that when pushed further may become the unconstrained criticism of your country from where it might be a very short distance to giving aid and comfort to the enemy of your country which is already in the treason territory.

    Clearly Ron Unz is in the unconstrained criticism territory. Is he treasonous. Not yet but what is in his soul only his conscience knows, i.e., his intentions might be in the state of maleficence. Could he be called a Kremlin’s and/or Beijing’s agent of influence? Yes, mildly at this point but unfortunately yes. Giving platform to people like Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir, Gilad Atzmon and Hopkins during the pandemic was exactly what Kremlin agent of influence would do to sow mistrust, confusion and discord undermining abilities of America and other western countries to tackle the pandemic.

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  458. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    This is not the issue of separation between Vancouver Island and City of Vancouver but population density and affluence (how leisurely people live on the Island). City of Vancouver has similar population (676k) to Vancouver Island population (870k). But population density in City of Vancouver is 5,500/sq.km while pop. density of Vancouver Island is 24/sq.km.

    Number of deaths in BC was 1,158 which is 228 per million while on Vancouver Island 37 people died which is 42 per million (as of April 30, 2021).

    https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-island-records-32-new-covid-19-cases-1-death-1.5409259

    Canada did much better than the US (actually 3 times better) and BC did 3 times better than the whole Canada on average.

  459. Skeptikal says:
    @utu

    Wow, that is a pretty quick leap from “unconstrained criticism” (as secretly defined by utu) to
    “Giving platform to people like [X, Y, and Z] during the [gasp!!] pandemic was exactly what Kremlin agent of influence would do to sow mistrust, confusion and discord undermining abilities of America and other western countries to tackle the [gasp!!] pandemic.”

    Ergo per utu, what someone “would do” (per utu logic) is what someone does do.

    I suppose in time of war, or if someone throws a bomb in a theater, it is OK to clamp down on views or analyses or conclusions one doesn’t like or apply torture to extract information or to hunt down spies.

    Otherwise, no. Never.
    Especially not in the scenario of an to-some-as-yet-to-be-established-extent-ginned-up or even self-inflicted pandemic in the course of which lies lies and more damned lies have clogged the air waves and the truth passages of the collective and individual brain.

  460. Levtraro says:
    @Brás Cubas

    Agree 100%. It’s funny that there was an article here at unz.com — I don’t remember the author — who argued that, since Russia is predominantly white and upholds conservative values, American whites really shouldn’t care whether Russia was surreptitiously influencing the U.S., and they didn’t see it as treason to abet that kind of thing. Now we see Putin puppets like Israel Shamir and Mike Whitney leading their pack of followers of all races to expose themselves to sickness as a revolt against “totalitarianism”. It’s macabre.

    The fact that Russia, as well as other countries in Eastern Europe that are adversaries to Russia, are white and conservative should indeed gather sympathies from those that are white and conservative. We do not want blacks and browns coming here and turning Europe into something like your country. This is pure nationalism.

    Calling Shamir and Whitney “Putin puppets” is stupid, sorry. They are not controlled by Putin, to suppose that is borderline paranoic. Such name-calling is down to the level of CNN libertards. These writers take a position denying COVID as in carving a niche for their writing, stupid as that is, it is equally stupid to blame that on being Putin puppets.

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  461. Levtraro says:
    @utu

    Giving platform to people like Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir, Gilad Atzmon and Hopkins during the pandemic was exactly what Kremlin agent of influence would do to sow mistrust, confusion and discord undermining abilities of America and other western countries to tackle the pandemic.

    Lol! They don’t need help with that.

    Having Whitney, Shamir, Atzmon and Hopkins as writers here is fun, while having you as commenter is boring. These writers have just carved a niche with followers in a website that caters to alternative views, they are not doing … gasp … treason. Many of the things they have written about the COVID pandemic are stupid and I have criticized many of their points as a commenter. But you here accusing them of treason with that tone of faked seriousness just looks like a freaking commie commissar not having a sense of humour and sending people to the Gulags for TREASON out of cracking a joke.

  462. antibeast says:
    @Yee

    Dr. Zhang Jixian was the respiratory doctor who first reported the Covid-19 coronavirus to the Chinese authorities on December 27th 2019. A few days later on December 30th 2019, Dr. Li Wenliang was the ophthalmologist who had read the report and shared it on a WeChat group but erroneously reported the coronavirus as SARS which had infected seven patients in a Wuhan hospital. After being reprimanded for ‘disrupting public order’ by the Chinese authorities, Li later contracted the virus and died as a result of Covid-19.

    https://jnm.snmjournals.org/content/61/6/782

    Six salient points to consider regarding the discovery and reporting of the Covid-19 virus:

    1. There was no alleged ‘coverup’ as Dr. Zhang Jixian was the first respiratory doctor to discover and report the novel coronavirus to the Chinese authorities on December 27th 2019.

    2. Dr. Li Wenliang had read the report but erroneously concluded that the new coronavirus was SARS as he did not have the technical expertise since he was trained as an ophthalmologist. On December 30th 2019, he then shared his views on an online WeChat group where he claimed SARS had infected seven patients in a Wuhan hospital.

    3. Li was then reprimanded by the Chinese authorities for ‘disrupting public order’ as the novel coronavirus was still being investigated by medical experts in China.

    4. At 3:10 pm on December 30, Wuhan Municipal Health and Health Commission issued the official document “emergency notice on reporting the treatment of pneumonia of unknown causes.”

    5. The National Health Commission (NHC) dispatched a working group and an expert team in the wee hours of December 31 to Wuhan to guide epidemic response and conduct on-site investigations. China then reported the discovery of the novel coronavirus to WHO on the same day.

    6. Li later contracted the coronavirus and died as a result of Covid-19.

    In short, the Western ‘fake news’ media has been trying to distort the actual events which transpired in Wuhan. Li did not disappear and was not prosecuted but merely reprimanded for ‘disrupting public order’ due to his lack of technical expertise on the subject. A day after Li’s shared post on WeChat, China notified the WHO on the discovery of a novel coronavirus in Wuhan.

    No coverup, no persecution, no accidental leak as Covid-19 was a novel coronavirus which was unknown to the Chinese medical experts until its DNA was sequenced and later shared to the WHO on January 11th, 2020.

    Here’s the WHO timeline:

    https://www.who.int/news/item/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

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  463. @Levtraro

    I am not a nationalist, but I’m not arguing nationalism per se. It’s obvious that Russia is exploiting American nationalism for its own ends; the end game here is not good for anyone in America, regardless of his or her ethnicity.

    And as for paranoia, I don’t take that kind of argument into consideration. People tend to view their own fears as real, and those of their adversaries as paranoia. Evil is much more democratic, and I’m afraid all fears are justified.

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  464. Skeptikal says:

    It’s obvious that Russia is exploiting American nationalism for its own ends; the end game here is not good for anyone in America, regardless of his or her ethnicity.”

    Well, to me this looks like a great example of paranoia.

    “It’s obvious” is a flag for absence of perspective and belief in absolute unquestioned reality of own anxieties and fears.

  465. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    As to the origins, Occam’s razor suggests the same as Luc Montaigner: it was a lab leak in Wuhan, but the lab was aided and abetted by the US. This article runs along those lines: https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    (When I feel conspiranoic, I wonder as Dr Maudrux did out-loud, whether there was a racial angle to the virus which could explain the disproportionate impact in Europe & US. Not that I’m a racialist).

    As to the subsequent events, in terms of touting “government by experts”, of many public policies, of the crackdown on free speech, of the use of facial recognition for commercial air travel, to name a few, well, you have to think some group or groups were ready from the get-go to further their political goals. Groups far more powerful than Mike Pompeo or any single government “clique”. The present immigration crisis in the US, France, Spain and apparently Lampedusa is also interesting. An immigration Spring, on both sides of the Atlantic. The military in two countries (USA & France) are concerned enough to publicly denounce a need for internal security, combating Critical Theory and border controls.

    Not everything has turned out as a globalist dream, of course. Notably the “government by experts” meme was discredit by the poor performance of the experts themselves. And a case could be made that the “happy globalization” meme should be substituted by the old-fashioned idea of having strong nation-States with strategic self-sufficiency. We’ll see.

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