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RT journalist Bryan MacDonald collating protest turnout data – mostly from Kommersant, a paper that is marginally opposition-leaning, but by not means pro-regime.

Data from Far East and now from the Volga suggests 0.2% of population is protesting in the more “agitated” cities, this tallies with my prediction this will be bigger than ~7,500 at NeDimon (2017), but smaller than ~60,000 at Bolotnaya (2011).

Journalistic coverage following typical post-2012 pattern: Hacks & activists gushing about unprecedented numbers based on nice ground-level camera angles, while bird’s eye view photos decidedly less impressive and concordant with objective estimates of attendance.

Note that Saint-Petersburg metropolitan area has 6.5 million people. 5,000 people attending according to Kommersant.

Haven’t seen any estimates for Moscow yet, but to be fair, it looks like the only legitimately “big” protest (if still highly modest relative to the 15 million people it its metropolitan area).

Probably at least the 15,000 people that I predicted:

Here are some literal children (anyone remember онижедети?):

Twitter is pushing the #23январяЗаСвободу hashtag on me, because Qanon Shaman is on the “correct” side here.

 

 
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  2. Twitter is pushing the #23январяЗаСвободу hashtag on me, because Qanon Shaman is on the “correct” side here.

    It’s the same with Youtube: if you live in Russia, Navalny’s videos will be your ‘recommended’ list. ‘Recommended’ videos automatically score millions of views, so it’s direct competition between Navalny and cats.

  3. Can’t get a break.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It is the persecution of The Horned God.

  4. Protesters treated with kid gloves by Moscow police. But the fanatics don’t consider anti-Navalny protesters worth of free speech, beating one of them into unconsciousness. (In fairness, some of the brighter ones tried to stop it).

  5. Navalny Live video about the protests, put online an hour ago (already more than 5 million views):

    In Russian only.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Pretty easy to clock up millions of views when you have Google's algorithms on your side, back in the real world - it was a damp squib (as was clear to me from the start).

    But hopefully this causes the kremlins to finally awake to the threat of having the discourse within their country set by a platform controlled by a hostile foreign Power.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Ludwig, @4Dchessmaster

  6. @Bashibuzuk
    Navalny Live video about the protests, put online an hour ago (already more than 5 million views):

    https://youtu.be/cDSdvNAub24

    In Russian only.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Pretty easy to clock up millions of views when you have Google’s algorithms on your side, back in the real world – it was a damp squib (as was clear to me from the start).

    But hopefully this causes the kremlins to finally awake to the threat of having the discourse within their country set by a platform controlled by a hostile foreign Power.

    • Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Is there any real way of preventing "globohomo" from spreading without North Korea levels of censorship?

    , @Ludwig
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s been fairly obvious even in the US that Google/YouTube is in bed with the DC establishment - including the state department/FBI/CIA - in efforts to boost pro-establishment voices and suppress anti-establishment ones.

    This would obviously be worse for countries deemed legitimate targets of the US establishment.

    The Kremlin can use the same philosophy being proposed in the US of associating any riots against the establishment as “insurrection”. (This is also why Navalny quickly condemned censorship of Trump because it was clear that the Kremlin could use the same justification to censor him for protests/riots/violence that he incited.)

    If the two cases of violence - one against an anti-Navalny protestor and another against an FSB agent - are true, the Kremlin could - following US establishment logic - pin in on Navalny for inciting the violence.

    , @4Dchessmaster
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The thing is, I don't even believe Navalny is a threat. Can anyone really tell what he stands for?

    All I ever hear from Navalny is "Putin bad, corruption bad". It is so boring and stale that I hardly doubt he would ever be able to pull a 1917 even if he were given all the tools and support to do so. He is too incompetent and buffoonish.

    Replies: @mal

  7. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Pretty easy to clock up millions of views when you have Google's algorithms on your side, back in the real world - it was a damp squib (as was clear to me from the start).

    But hopefully this causes the kremlins to finally awake to the threat of having the discourse within their country set by a platform controlled by a hostile foreign Power.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Ludwig, @4Dchessmaster

    Is there any real way of preventing “globohomo” from spreading without North Korea levels of censorship?

  8. @Anatoly Karlin
    Can't get a break.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1352967881529634818

    Replies: @Ray P

    It is the persecution of The Horned God.

    • Agree: mal
  9. Journalist on the scene: Most police polite and professional (unlike in Belarus, which he also personally covered); 30-40% of participants in Moscow are schoolchildren; some liberal journalists participating in the protest (e.g. yelling out slogans). https://twitter.com/Alexey_Larkin/status/1352989127608848384

    [MORE]

    Я в центре событий на московском навальнинге. Пока перерыв поделюсь впечатлениями, тезисно. На 17:30, из того что видел и снял лично я (допускаю, что многого не видел и могу изменить мнение, увидев всё с другого ракурса)

    Во-первых, несмотря на то, что я идейный ACAB, я должен честно отметить, что полиция вела себя достойно. На мой субъективный взгляд 80% сотрудников отработали идеально. ОМОН не лютовал при задержаниях, заблудившихся вполне вежливо выводили к ограждению, на некоторых участках стояли офицеры, которые позитивно и вежливо общались с людьми. При мне сотрудник потеснил человека к выходу, тот криком спросил “Че ты делаешь!?” и сотрудник извинился и вежливо указал человеку на выход. Я видел это своими глазами.

    При этом 20% сотрудников (опять же субъективная пропорция) вели себя как мрази, с криком “Сука” бежали в толпу и месили людей дубинками. По таким людям потом оценивают всех остальных, считаю, что им не место в органах.

    Вообще, по сравнению с Белоруссией наша полиция просто зайки. И протестующие, в целом, тоже. Силовиков закидывали снежками – выглядело это конечно унизительно, но все же безопасно.
    UPD: под вечер отдельные мудаки стали кидать бутылки и дымовые шашки. Полиция все равно пока не жестит. 17:30 время.

    Среди пришедших примерно 30-40% были школьники. На разных участках по-разному. Школоты было очень много, но говорить, что “выходят школьники, а взрослые нет” не совсем правильно.

    Очень много демшизы и неадекватов. Кроме либеральных психбольных присутствуют ровно того же качества шизоиды из НОДа и За Правду. Шизы крикливые, но не особо буйные – в драки не лезли, провоцировали мало. Были шизы со змагарскими флагами, кричали “Живе Беларусь”, также были их коллеги из Украины, кричали на мове. Очень много цветноволосых феминисток и мальчикой гомосексуального вида. Не осуждаю, просто констатирую.

    Кто-то из протестующих облил омоновцев краской. На мой взгляд поступок сам по себе недостойный (облиты оказались и силовики и люди рядом), но кроме того это еще и разозлило сотрудников, дало им повод действовать жестче

    Видел либеральных журналистов с пресс-картами и в жилетах, которые кричали лозунги и в целом участвовали в митинге, а не просто освещали его. Ребят, вы не коллеги, вы пи*арасы. Боретесь за “прекрасную” Россию, а сами наё*щики бессовестные. Из-за вас под омоновскую дубинку попадают настоящие журналисты.

    Вот такое пока мнение, читайте прямую трансляцию @stormdaily, там вся информация, фото и видео!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Journalist on the scene: Most police polite and professional (unlike in Belarus, which he also personally covered); 30-40% of participants in Moscow are schoolchildren;
     
    Well, there are several tens of thousands of fools in Russia willing to openly show their foolishness. That’s fewer than I expected. Most of the fools are young, many just post puberty. Reminds me of an American joke:
    Young people think that old people are fools, but old people know that young people are fools.
  10. Probably 20,000 in Moscow, quite close to my 15,000 prediction.

  11. • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Hojer
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, at least this is funny. Btw. noted Navalny supporter without facemask; Ukronat. with masks on and khuilo chant - have reasonable and witty stance.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  12. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Pretty easy to clock up millions of views when you have Google's algorithms on your side, back in the real world - it was a damp squib (as was clear to me from the start).

    But hopefully this causes the kremlins to finally awake to the threat of having the discourse within their country set by a platform controlled by a hostile foreign Power.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Ludwig, @4Dchessmaster

    It’s been fairly obvious even in the US that Google/YouTube is in bed with the DC establishment – including the state department/FBI/CIA – in efforts to boost pro-establishment voices and suppress anti-establishment ones.

    This would obviously be worse for countries deemed legitimate targets of the US establishment.

    The Kremlin can use the same philosophy being proposed in the US of associating any riots against the establishment as “insurrection”. (This is also why Navalny quickly condemned censorship of Trump because it was clear that the Kremlin could use the same justification to censor him for protests/riots/violence that he incited.)

    If the two cases of violence – one against an anti-Navalny protestor and another against an FSB agent – are true, the Kremlin could – following US establishment logic – pin in on Navalny for inciting the violence.

    • Agree: Shortsword
  13. @Anatoly Karlin
    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353004312188870656

    Replies: @Hojer

    Yes, at least this is funny. Btw. noted Navalny supporter without facemask; Ukronat. with masks on and khuilo chant – have reasonable and witty stance.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Hojer

    Yes, it's interesting that the khuilo chant includes both Putin and Navalny. Perhaps, this indicates that the crowd is aware of some sort of "Navalny as technical opposition to Putin" scheme that's been floating around for several years? I don't know, as I point out to those around me who also express these feelings, it's hard to believe that Navalny's poisoning was faked. On the other hand, why would he return to Russia? And around and around it goes.....

    Replies: @Hojer, @AnonfromTN

  14. @Hojer
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, at least this is funny. Btw. noted Navalny supporter without facemask; Ukronat. with masks on and khuilo chant - have reasonable and witty stance.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yes, it’s interesting that the khuilo chant includes both Putin and Navalny. Perhaps, this indicates that the crowd is aware of some sort of “Navalny as technical opposition to Putin” scheme that’s been floating around for several years? I don’t know, as I point out to those around me who also express these feelings, it’s hard to believe that Navalny’s poisoning was faked. On the other hand, why would he return to Russia? And around and around it goes…..

    • LOL: JL
    • Replies: @Hojer
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack: Realy not very sure on any of your points.
    As for khuilo chant on Navalny and Putin together there can be two explanations: they hate every Russian (simple approach), or the "technical opposition" point of view, you mentioned. From Ukraine I have been in direct/closer contact only with people from Transcarpathian region, mostly of Rusyn ethnic origin, methink. And they are rather reserved, distant from these big scene developments and ukronationalism.
    As for poisoning - my guess it was hardly complete fake, but who did it, how, why - we will not know any soon or never. With western alleged and "highly likely" novichok narrative - after all the narratives of Saddam WMD, only Serbs bad in Balkans, etc. in mind, I would be very reserved too but "competencies" of Russian secret service cannot be underestimated too.
    My point - watch it as a part of big theater (not particular Bolshoi Theatr/Большой театр).
    And again I admit that this time (first time?) ukronationalists made me cheer with their chanting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    On the other hand, why would he return to Russia?
     
    That’s an easy one. Where else can he earn a living? He is good at nothing, so his only potential source of income is handouts from the State Department, or CIA, or MI6, or Mossad. But he can get those handouts only being inside Russia. Outside he is totally useless to his paymasters

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Levtraro

  15. Does QAnon have a position on Navalny?

  16. @Mr. Hack
    @Hojer

    Yes, it's interesting that the khuilo chant includes both Putin and Navalny. Perhaps, this indicates that the crowd is aware of some sort of "Navalny as technical opposition to Putin" scheme that's been floating around for several years? I don't know, as I point out to those around me who also express these feelings, it's hard to believe that Navalny's poisoning was faked. On the other hand, why would he return to Russia? And around and around it goes.....

    Replies: @Hojer, @AnonfromTN

    Mr. Hack: Realy not very sure on any of your points.
    As for khuilo chant on Navalny and Putin together there can be two explanations: they hate every Russian (simple approach), or the “technical opposition” point of view, you mentioned. From Ukraine I have been in direct/closer contact only with people from Transcarpathian region, mostly of Rusyn ethnic origin, methink. And they are rather reserved, distant from these big scene developments and ukronationalism.
    As for poisoning – my guess it was hardly complete fake, but who did it, how, why – we will not know any soon or never. With western alleged and “highly likely” novichok narrative – after all the narratives of Saddam WMD, only Serbs bad in Balkans, etc. in mind, I would be very reserved too but “competencies” of Russian secret service cannot be underestimated too.
    My point – watch it as a part of big theater (not particular Bolshoi Theatr/Большой театр).
    And again I admit that this time (first time?) ukronationalists made me cheer with their chanting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Hojer

    I have been familiar with the "Rusyn" political landscape in the past. What's new in that world? It used to be that you had two basic groups, supported by outside infiltrators. There was the Father Sidor and Petr Getzko group, that was clearly financed by the Politburo, trying to drive a wedge between Ukrainians and "Rusyns". Then there was the Hungarian brand of Rusynism, supported by a strange dude named "Zhalyva" and a couple of other old and unemployed sovoks. Then there was the cleverest one of all, a Canadian professor of Ukrainian history, a Paul Magocsi, that made a lifetime career of trying to sell his own brand. He's highly disliked in Transcarpathia and rarely ever goes there, wisely trying to avoid the mistrustful and vocal antagonists that are loathe to embrace their "liberator" from the Canadian northland. It's always been a three ring circus there. Oh, and the last that I was aware, it seemed that the hardcore Ukrainian nationalists like Right Sector, were the most popular group there. :-)

    Replies: @Hojer

  17. • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yep. That's what being a warrior means.

    Молодец парень!

    👍

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  18. @Hojer
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack: Realy not very sure on any of your points.
    As for khuilo chant on Navalny and Putin together there can be two explanations: they hate every Russian (simple approach), or the "technical opposition" point of view, you mentioned. From Ukraine I have been in direct/closer contact only with people from Transcarpathian region, mostly of Rusyn ethnic origin, methink. And they are rather reserved, distant from these big scene developments and ukronationalism.
    As for poisoning - my guess it was hardly complete fake, but who did it, how, why - we will not know any soon or never. With western alleged and "highly likely" novichok narrative - after all the narratives of Saddam WMD, only Serbs bad in Balkans, etc. in mind, I would be very reserved too but "competencies" of Russian secret service cannot be underestimated too.
    My point - watch it as a part of big theater (not particular Bolshoi Theatr/Большой театр).
    And again I admit that this time (first time?) ukronationalists made me cheer with their chanting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I have been familiar with the “Rusyn” political landscape in the past. What’s new in that world? It used to be that you had two basic groups, supported by outside infiltrators. There was the Father Sidor and Petr Getzko group, that was clearly financed by the Politburo, trying to drive a wedge between Ukrainians and “Rusyns”. Then there was the Hungarian brand of Rusynism, supported by a strange dude named “Zhalyva” and a couple of other old and unemployed sovoks. Then there was the cleverest one of all, a Canadian professor of Ukrainian history, a Paul Magocsi, that made a lifetime career of trying to sell his own brand. He’s highly disliked in Transcarpathia and rarely ever goes there, wisely trying to avoid the mistrustful and vocal antagonists that are loathe to embrace their “liberator” from the Canadian northland. It’s always been a three ring circus there. Oh, and the last that I was aware, it seemed that the hardcore Ukrainian nationalists like Right Sector, were the most popular group there. 🙂

    • Replies: @Hojer
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack - none of mine Ukrainian/Rusyn direct contacts were homo politicus, not sure if they were aware of Father Sidor and Petr Getzko Group. They did not like Janukovitch and were upset for losing Crimea to Russia as they mostly remember it as a place of pleasant holidays and beutiful girls... My position of being "sorry" for two almost identical slavic nations are hurting each other insteat of helping to fight common enemies was not understood by them, or at least remained unanswere. And yes, Right Sector was probably of higher popularity then Donbas separatists betwean them, but not to the extent of joining their ranks, as far as I knew. A three ring circus as you wrote where people mostly care of their own.

  19. @Anatoly Karlin
    Journalist on the scene: Most police polite and professional (unlike in Belarus, which he also personally covered); 30-40% of participants in Moscow are schoolchildren; some liberal journalists participating in the protest (e.g. yelling out slogans). https://twitter.com/Alexey_Larkin/status/1352989127608848384


    Я в центре событий на московском навальнинге. Пока перерыв поделюсь впечатлениями, тезисно. На 17:30, из того что видел и снял лично я (допускаю, что многого не видел и могу изменить мнение, увидев всё с другого ракурса)

    Во-первых, несмотря на то, что я идейный ACAB, я должен честно отметить, что полиция вела себя достойно. На мой субъективный взгляд 80% сотрудников отработали идеально. ОМОН не лютовал при задержаниях, заблудившихся вполне вежливо выводили к ограждению, на некоторых участках стояли офицеры, которые позитивно и вежливо общались с людьми. При мне сотрудник потеснил человека к выходу, тот криком спросил "Че ты делаешь!?" и сотрудник извинился и вежливо указал человеку на выход. Я видел это своими глазами.

    При этом 20% сотрудников (опять же субъективная пропорция) вели себя как мрази, с криком "Сука" бежали в толпу и месили людей дубинками. По таким людям потом оценивают всех остальных, считаю, что им не место в органах.

    Вообще, по сравнению с Белоруссией наша полиция просто зайки. И протестующие, в целом, тоже. Силовиков закидывали снежками - выглядело это конечно унизительно, но все же безопасно.
    UPD: под вечер отдельные мудаки стали кидать бутылки и дымовые шашки. Полиция все равно пока не жестит. 17:30 время.

    Среди пришедших примерно 30-40% были школьники. На разных участках по-разному. Школоты было очень много, но говорить, что "выходят школьники, а взрослые нет" не совсем правильно.

    Очень много демшизы и неадекватов. Кроме либеральных психбольных присутствуют ровно того же качества шизоиды из НОДа и За Правду. Шизы крикливые, но не особо буйные - в драки не лезли, провоцировали мало. Были шизы со змагарскими флагами, кричали "Живе Беларусь", также были их коллеги из Украины, кричали на мове. Очень много цветноволосых феминисток и мальчикой гомосексуального вида. Не осуждаю, просто констатирую.

    Кто-то из протестующих облил омоновцев краской. На мой взгляд поступок сам по себе недостойный (облиты оказались и силовики и люди рядом), но кроме того это еще и разозлило сотрудников, дало им повод действовать жестче

    Видел либеральных журналистов с пресс-картами и в жилетах, которые кричали лозунги и в целом участвовали в митинге, а не просто освещали его. Ребят, вы не коллеги, вы пи*арасы. Боретесь за "прекрасную" Россию, а сами наё*щики бессовестные. Из-за вас под омоновскую дубинку попадают настоящие журналисты.

    Вот такое пока мнение, читайте прямую трансляцию @stormdaily, там вся информация, фото и видео!
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Journalist on the scene: Most police polite and professional (unlike in Belarus, which he also personally covered); 30-40% of participants in Moscow are schoolchildren;

    Well, there are several tens of thousands of fools in Russia willing to openly show their foolishness. That’s fewer than I expected. Most of the fools are young, many just post puberty. Reminds me of an American joke:
    Young people think that old people are fools, but old people know that young people are fools.

  20. @Mr. Hack
    @Hojer

    Yes, it's interesting that the khuilo chant includes both Putin and Navalny. Perhaps, this indicates that the crowd is aware of some sort of "Navalny as technical opposition to Putin" scheme that's been floating around for several years? I don't know, as I point out to those around me who also express these feelings, it's hard to believe that Navalny's poisoning was faked. On the other hand, why would he return to Russia? And around and around it goes.....

    Replies: @Hojer, @AnonfromTN

    On the other hand, why would he return to Russia?

    That’s an easy one. Where else can he earn a living? He is good at nothing, so his only potential source of income is handouts from the State Department, or CIA, or MI6, or Mossad. But he can get those handouts only being inside Russia. Outside he is totally useless to his paymasters

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Since you know so much about the topic, care to share with us your own take on his recent poisoning?
    My own theory is pretty much premised on Sherlock Holmes's famous dictum:


    When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Levtraro
    @AnonfromTN

    How about monetizing his Youpube following? With million views and Youpube's endorsement he should get some kind of income.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  21. @Anatoly Karlin
    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353060890187161601

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Yep. That’s what being a warrior means.

    Молодец парень!

    👍

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That’s what being a warrior means.
     
    Likely spending the next couple of years or more in prison for felony assault? Moron didn't even hide his face behind a mask.

    PS. He's already been doxed, apparently he's a Dagestani Islamist. 😂 Who finished up another prison sentence in April 2020 - also for assaulting police - so has "experience."

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

  22. Alexei Navalny exposes Instagram of Putin’s secret love child

    Poisoned Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny continues to be a thorn in the side of Russian President Vladimir Putin after unearthing the Instagram account of the strongman’s purported 17-year-old love child, according to a report.

    Putin, 68, has been linked by Russian outlet Proekt to Svetlana Krivonogikh, a cleaner who is worth more than $100 million and lives in a posh area of St. Petersburg.

    The teen’s Instagram followers jumped from 17,000 to 42,000 in a matter of hours as she lashed out at her jealous “haters.”

    “Wow, I can see a sweater paid for by my taxes. How many pensions does this sweater cost?” one user commented, the Sun reported.

    “What do you say in school when they ask you: ‘Who is your father?’” another said.

    Another offered the zinger: “What is it like to be born with Putin’s face?”

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/alexei-navalny-exposes-instagram-of-putins-alleged-love-child/

    So the situation is more serious than Karlin thought. Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him. He has all the West behind him, media, spooks, etc. Now we will understand if Putin is in charge or not.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Passer by

    These rumors have been out on the internet for a few months at least so it's nothing brand new.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    Yes, her account got leaked months ago. There is some resemblance to Putin.

    If true, good for him - she inherited a nice sense of aesthetics. https://www.instagram.com/luizaroz_/

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Passer by


    Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him
     
    Exactly what I was writing about.
  23. @Passer by
    Alexei Navalny exposes Instagram of Putin’s secret love child

    Poisoned Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny continues to be a thorn in the side of Russian President Vladimir Putin after unearthing the Instagram account of the strongman’s purported 17-year-old love child, according to a report.

    Putin, 68, has been linked by Russian outlet Proekt to Svetlana Krivonogikh, a cleaner who is worth more than $100 million and lives in a posh area of St. Petersburg.

    The teen’s Instagram followers jumped from 17,000 to 42,000 in a matter of hours as she lashed out at her jealous “haters.”

    “Wow, I can see a sweater paid for by my taxes. How many pensions does this sweater cost?” one user commented, the Sun reported.

    “What do you say in school when they ask you: ‘Who is your father?’” another said.

    Another offered the zinger: “What is it like to be born with Putin’s face?”

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/alexei-navalny-exposes-instagram-of-putins-alleged-love-child/

    So the situation is more serious than Karlin thought. Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him. He has all the West behind him, media, spooks, etc. Now we will understand if Putin is in charge or not.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin, @Bashibuzuk

    These rumors have been out on the internet for a few months at least so it’s nothing brand new.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Shortsword

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    The context - look at the corrupt, unfaitful Putin and his illegitimate children living in luxury, vs the poor russian population - it is a strong context too.

    Make no mistake, an attack has started on Putin and Russia. Just in time for Biden's Presidency to escalate further the hybrid war against Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Soloview

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Shortsword

    Yes but Проект people didn't show the face of the girl. Navalny did. Perhaps in the next video they will show Kabayeva's sons. Then they will show when they live, what property they have in the West etc. They are ramping the pressure against Putin. If he does nothing about it,,then he shows weakness.

  24. @Passer by
    Alexei Navalny exposes Instagram of Putin’s secret love child

    Poisoned Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny continues to be a thorn in the side of Russian President Vladimir Putin after unearthing the Instagram account of the strongman’s purported 17-year-old love child, according to a report.

    Putin, 68, has been linked by Russian outlet Proekt to Svetlana Krivonogikh, a cleaner who is worth more than $100 million and lives in a posh area of St. Petersburg.

    The teen’s Instagram followers jumped from 17,000 to 42,000 in a matter of hours as she lashed out at her jealous “haters.”

    “Wow, I can see a sweater paid for by my taxes. How many pensions does this sweater cost?” one user commented, the Sun reported.

    “What do you say in school when they ask you: ‘Who is your father?’” another said.

    Another offered the zinger: “What is it like to be born with Putin’s face?”

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/alexei-navalny-exposes-instagram-of-putins-alleged-love-child/

    So the situation is more serious than Karlin thought. Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him. He has all the West behind him, media, spooks, etc. Now we will understand if Putin is in charge or not.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin, @Bashibuzuk

    Yes, her account got leaked months ago. There is some resemblance to Putin.

    If true, good for him – she inherited a nice sense of aesthetics. https://www.instagram.com/luizaroz_/

    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Cmon Karlin.... don't be a dimwit. You're a blogger so ACT LIKE A BLOGGER.

    At least show SOME interest in facial characteristics or the girls mother before you go in on this "lovechild" BS.

    Every single photo of the mother circulated in media shows her with the face majority covered with sunglasses - making it impossible to know what she looks like, and so extrapolate what her daughter should possibly look as.

    That is all.... except one....... where it's clear that the daughter looks exactly like her mother, Svetlana Krivonogikh, who looks similar to Putin ( it's almost as if some of us slavs in Russia have Slavic features!)

    How dumb is this "scandal"? For the first time on history - no attempt to look at what the facial appearance is of the officially listed parents before claiming "lovechild" LOL.

    It's also highly insulting to think that security conscious Putin VVP, encourages this woman, not even his mistress, to pleasantly just have a child of his. What is this BS - not Orthodox enough to not sleep with her..... but ultra-orthodox at the point she must have the pregnancy and raise an illegitimate child of his? LOL

    Patriotic media don't publish proper photo because of justified privacy (just as they do with Poroshenko's MP son's wife Russian family in Saint Petersburg).... but fake retard liberast media only circulate images wearing sunglasses that are as good as a welding mask for seeing what her face looks like! Psyop

    Replies: @Dmitry

  25. @Shortsword
    @Passer by

    These rumors have been out on the internet for a few months at least so it's nothing brand new.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    The context – look at the corrupt, unfaitful Putin and his illegitimate children living in luxury, vs the poor russian population – it is a strong context too.

    Make no mistake, an attack has started on Putin and Russia. Just in time for Biden’s Presidency to escalate further the hybrid war against Russia.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    It's not going to work. They added some more documentary evidence and the propaganda push is real (70 million views on YouTube, LOL), but none of the revelations are new, there are few Putin supporters who will be tilted into turning against him by this.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353030263362748426

    Replies: @Passer by, @Beckow

    , @Levtraro
    @Passer by


    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.
     
    This is your feeling or your hope?

    Replies: @Passer by

    , @Soloview
    @Passer by

    Two things: One, Navalny bears watching, if for no other reason that he has publicly connected himself to the likes of Bellingcat. Two, it would be silly to overreact to his provocations which would only escalate the US-led psy-ops and may lead to the growth of his profile internationally.

  26. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yep. That's what being a warrior means.

    Молодец парень!

    👍

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s what being a warrior means.

    Likely spending the next couple of years or more in prison for felony assault? Moron didn’t even hide his face behind a mask.

    PS. He’s already been doxed, apparently he’s a Dagestani Islamist. 😂 Who finished up another prison sentence in April 2020 – also for assaulting police – so has “experience.”

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    He’s already been doxed, apparently he’s a Dagestani Islamist.
     
    I didn't expect that type of person to be in a pro-Navalny protest. Maybe he just wanted a fight?
    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even prison did not break this guy. More respect for him then for fighting against the OMON. That's the difference between a warrior and a geek. The warrior will go all in, the geek will analyze the situation and find a thousand reasons to avoid fighting. There was a time Russians were warriors...

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard.Gerard

  27. @Passer by
    @Shortsword

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    The context - look at the corrupt, unfaitful Putin and his illegitimate children living in luxury, vs the poor russian population - it is a strong context too.

    Make no mistake, an attack has started on Putin and Russia. Just in time for Biden's Presidency to escalate further the hybrid war against Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Soloview

    It’s not going to work. They added some more documentary evidence and the propaganda push is real (70 million views on YouTube, LOL), but none of the revelations are new, there are few Putin supporters who will be tilted into turning against him by this.

    • Agree: Dreadilk
    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Imo it is a part of larger scheme of things, probably they had information that Putin intends to stay in 2024 and they want to derail that, causing problems in Russia, to force successor infighting, etc.

    The successor infighting actually is their chance.

    The 2021 - 2030 period is critical for Russia, after that the West will be too weak to make too much trouble. Especially the 2021 - 2024 period is important, when the West is still stronger and the successor issue is still not resolved.

    They need to destabilise and possibly take over Russia before it forms itself as a strong pole in a multipolar, non-western dominated world.

    , @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    it was a damp squib
     
    If it was going to work, this would be a strange world. If 25,000 - or even 100,000 - demonstrators in a big city can change governments it would be absurd. That is true in Russia as much as in US or France.

    So why are they doing it? Some marginal PR for the West at home. And there isn't much else they can do. West keeps on retrying the same old methods that have ceased to work after over-use (and bad experiences afterwards). Publishing dirt on enemy leaders is a dumb move, it doesn't work. This is run by people who lack real experience, probably the new generation of NGO trained "revolutionary" consultants.

    As Passer By wrote, 2021-24 is crucial: the gradual weakening of the West and gradual strengthening of Russia-China requires a deus-ex-machine moves, something has to give, otherwise in a few years West will be forced to settle for worse terms. Navalny and gang are not effective. West will have to for the jugular or give up. It could get scary, or comical - the current Western crop couldn't find a jugular if their lives dependent on it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  28. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    It's not going to work. They added some more documentary evidence and the propaganda push is real (70 million views on YouTube, LOL), but none of the revelations are new, there are few Putin supporters who will be tilted into turning against him by this.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353030263362748426

    Replies: @Passer by, @Beckow

    Imo it is a part of larger scheme of things, probably they had information that Putin intends to stay in 2024 and they want to derail that, causing problems in Russia, to force successor infighting, etc.

    The successor infighting actually is their chance.

    The 2021 – 2030 period is critical for Russia, after that the West will be too weak to make too much trouble. Especially the 2021 – 2024 period is important, when the West is still stronger and the successor issue is still not resolved.

    They need to destabilise and possibly take over Russia before it forms itself as a strong pole in a multipolar, non-western dominated world.

    • Agree: mal, Ludwig
  29. @Passer by
    Alexei Navalny exposes Instagram of Putin’s secret love child

    Poisoned Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny continues to be a thorn in the side of Russian President Vladimir Putin after unearthing the Instagram account of the strongman’s purported 17-year-old love child, according to a report.

    Putin, 68, has been linked by Russian outlet Proekt to Svetlana Krivonogikh, a cleaner who is worth more than $100 million and lives in a posh area of St. Petersburg.

    The teen’s Instagram followers jumped from 17,000 to 42,000 in a matter of hours as she lashed out at her jealous “haters.”

    “Wow, I can see a sweater paid for by my taxes. How many pensions does this sweater cost?” one user commented, the Sun reported.

    “What do you say in school when they ask you: ‘Who is your father?’” another said.

    Another offered the zinger: “What is it like to be born with Putin’s face?”

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/alexei-navalny-exposes-instagram-of-putins-alleged-love-child/

    So the situation is more serious than Karlin thought. Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him. He has all the West behind him, media, spooks, etc. Now we will understand if Putin is in charge or not.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin, @Bashibuzuk

    Navaly is shitting on Putin and keeps humiliating him

    Exactly what I was writing about.

  30. @Shortsword
    @Passer by

    These rumors have been out on the internet for a few months at least so it's nothing brand new.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

    Yes but Проект people didn’t show the face of the girl. Navalny did. Perhaps in the next video they will show Kabayeva’s sons. Then they will show when they live, what property they have in the West etc. They are ramping the pressure against Putin. If he does nothing about it,,then he shows weakness.

  31. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That’s what being a warrior means.
     
    Likely spending the next couple of years or more in prison for felony assault? Moron didn't even hide his face behind a mask.

    PS. He's already been doxed, apparently he's a Dagestani Islamist. 😂 Who finished up another prison sentence in April 2020 - also for assaulting police - so has "experience."

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

    He’s already been doxed, apparently he’s a Dagestani Islamist.

    I didn’t expect that type of person to be in a pro-Navalny protest. Maybe he just wanted a fight?

  32. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That’s what being a warrior means.
     
    Likely spending the next couple of years or more in prison for felony assault? Moron didn't even hide his face behind a mask.

    PS. He's already been doxed, apparently he's a Dagestani Islamist. 😂 Who finished up another prison sentence in April 2020 - also for assaulting police - so has "experience."

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

    Even prison did not break this guy. More respect for him then for fighting against the OMON. That’s the difference between a warrior and a geek. The warrior will go all in, the geek will analyze the situation and find a thousand reasons to avoid fighting. There was a time Russians were warriors…

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Bashibuzuk

    Russians are warriors, you are taking on the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, in a fight for the planet's future. You should be proud of that, and never lose hope. And you have my support. The future of the planet depends on you.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Given his record, I assume the next punishment will be much longer, as a recidivist. He was born in 2000. He'll now probably spend more or all of his 20s behind bars.

    But sure, he'll have his 5 minutes of Internet fame from the Russian pronouns people on Twitter. Chad af.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Gerard.Gerard
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL-what time are you finishing sucking Navalny's d*ck?.

    He could easily have just released this "investigation" before intended arrival in Russia you idiot. This scumbag has deliberately exacerbated the situation by compounding his deserved arrest, with the BS "Palace" video at the same time. Under foreign direction this tramp has engineered a situation to create some anarchy, all for the purposes of avoiding jail, NOT showing bravery you cretin.

    The facts are that he 2 times failed to report to FSIN as part of requirements for his suspended sentence. This should have jailed him but didn't. Then there was the comedy poisoning where ( contrary to the BS spread by liberast imbeciles) the authorities allowed him to not return and report back to FSIN because he was "recovering" from the fake poisoning. When he then restarted doing his "investigations" in Germany, the authorities had no option but to stop viewing him as "recovering".... and demand his immediate return - that he failed to do.

    In addition to that violation we have the most OBVIOUS case of slander in history by Navalny against....... a WW2 hero, and the most blatant misappropriation of funds from his so called anti-corruption organisation where its quite blatant that his travelling, clothes, properties, kids holidays, kids foreign educations are way in excess of his stated income.... and that's without even thinking about his " Prince of Liechtenstein" ( or it is Luxembourg?) POS deputy Volkov, who is even more obviously corrupt.


    Does even a demented human as yourself not want to question WHERE WERE NAVALNY'S KIDS during these western-sponsored protests?

    LOL- calling out for schoolkids to break the law ( well, 1.1% of them hahaha), falsely promise to pay their fines.... but somehow the children of his, the daughter an adult I think, are nowhere at the protests.
    Where were they? On holiday in Puerto Rico? Their father " falsely imprisoned", great optics for their western prostitute backers if arrested, inciting children to commit crimes...... but they are nowhere... e xept able to carry on expensive lifestyles in expensive Western universities as others suffer.

    It's been a great day with great comedy for Russia. Beautifully perfect policing, comedically low turnout to support their hero, "70 million views" shown as contemptible BS.
    The only problem is the story of FSB patriot possibly losing his eye after a scumbag Navalny-whore attack. I pray to God it is not true about his eye ( doesn't look like anybody could have gouged it, but possibly windscreen shattered causing possible eye problem)

    It isn't relevant if fair or logical..... if the FSB guy loses an eye....... I am holding YOU responsible.

    Some dumb bitch stood in the way of police walking an arrested man into their vehicle in Saint Petersburg. She stepped into their line of walking to nonsensically ask why they arrested him. Quite beautifully, one of the police kicked her. He has to think of his safety first. Completely textbook policing.

    If anything bad happens to that guy in his employment or legally... I am again holding YOU responsible.

    Cretin

  33. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even prison did not break this guy. More respect for him then for fighting against the OMON. That's the difference between a warrior and a geek. The warrior will go all in, the geek will analyze the situation and find a thousand reasons to avoid fighting. There was a time Russians were warriors...

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard.Gerard

    Russians are warriors, you are taking on the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, in a fight for the planet’s future. You should be proud of that, and never lose hope. And you have my support. The future of the planet depends on you.

    • Agree: Simpleguest
  34. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even prison did not break this guy. More respect for him then for fighting against the OMON. That's the difference between a warrior and a geek. The warrior will go all in, the geek will analyze the situation and find a thousand reasons to avoid fighting. There was a time Russians were warriors...

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard.Gerard

    Given his record, I assume the next punishment will be much longer, as a recidivist. He was born in 2000. He’ll now probably spend more or all of his 20s behind bars.

    But sure, he’ll have his 5 minutes of Internet fame from the Russian pronouns people on Twitter. Chad af.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    He has shown his courage and physical prowess, he did not back down. There was a time when young Russians acted exactly like him.

    Развернись, мое плечо! Будет, будет горячо. Размахнись-ка, мой кулак, бей и эдак, бей и так!

    It was normal and well regarded in a young man. Villages fought one another for commons each year. Sometimes they fought for fun in a кулачный бой. This energy, this strength were called сила молодецкая and were seen as entirely positive.

    Even when I was young in 80ies Moscow we sometimes fought against other neighborhood gangs. The most notorious among them were Lyubery. We were not scheming and calculating weaklings, a few times I came home with bruises and bleeding. It was okay.

    My cousin in Piter stood alone against two AK-47 carrying OMON cops in the early 90ies and squarely told them that they were "f☆cking clowns". No problem: he's alive and well. I personally had a couple of разборки with Chechen guys around 1994 - 1996 in my neighborhood, including one drug dealer. No problem, I'm doing fine.

    But that was then, this is now: a single Daguestani guy fights better than 20 Russian muzhiki around him. Буйных мало. А парень молодец. I would shake his hand anytime.

    Чёткий парень.

    🙂

    Replies: @mal, @Dreadilk, @Felix Keverich

  35. Soo… it looks like it’s over? At least for now, in Moscow? The total turnout for the country was what, around 50,000 (roughly)? Vs how many YouTube views and other social media activities? 74M? So again, very approximately, 1:1000 ratio of muscle in the streets to Western media activity. I think it will be an important metric to watch as Biden administration will attempt to turn Russia into next Libya/Ukraine. US is running out of time as Chinese are gaining fast, so US needs to destroy Russia some time in this decade in order to create a northern flank, or at least scorched earth that Chinese can’t rely upon in the final showdown.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @mal

    Its not over yet, after Navalny gets jailed for several years (i'm 90 % sure of that) then things will get interesting. This will trigger joint US/EU sanctions and more protests on the streets. His wife will probably take over (Belarus Scenario). Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.

    Replies: @Shortsword

  36. @mal
    Soo... it looks like it's over? At least for now, in Moscow? The total turnout for the country was what, around 50,000 (roughly)? Vs how many YouTube views and other social media activities? 74M? So again, very approximately, 1:1000 ratio of muscle in the streets to Western media activity. I think it will be an important metric to watch as Biden administration will attempt to turn Russia into next Libya/Ukraine. US is running out of time as Chinese are gaining fast, so US needs to destroy Russia some time in this decade in order to create a northern flank, or at least scorched earth that Chinese can't rely upon in the final showdown.

    Replies: @Passer by

    Its not over yet, after Navalny gets jailed for several years (i’m 90 % sure of that) then things will get interesting. This will trigger joint US/EU sanctions and more protests on the streets. His wife will probably take over (Belarus Scenario). Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Passer by


    Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.
     
    The status of Nord Stream 2 doesn't depend on Russian actions. Maybe EU puts out some insane terms that Russia has to abide with to get Nord Stream 2 finished. But that's politically the same as cancellation. It's mostly United States and Germany deciding this.

    There are reasons Germany want Nord Stream 2. About half was German financed but perhaps more importantly Germany doesn't want a situation where USA can cancel Germany's trade relations and international economical projects because of American geopolitical goals. Much of Germany's potential growth comes from trade with China and Germany doesn't want that squandered.

  37. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    It's not going to work. They added some more documentary evidence and the propaganda push is real (70 million views on YouTube, LOL), but none of the revelations are new, there are few Putin supporters who will be tilted into turning against him by this.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353030263362748426

    Replies: @Passer by, @Beckow

    it was a damp squib

    If it was going to work, this would be a strange world. If 25,000 – or even 100,000 – demonstrators in a big city can change governments it would be absurd. That is true in Russia as much as in US or France.

    So why are they doing it? Some marginal PR for the West at home. And there isn’t much else they can do. West keeps on retrying the same old methods that have ceased to work after over-use (and bad experiences afterwards). Publishing dirt on enemy leaders is a dumb move, it doesn’t work. This is run by people who lack real experience, probably the new generation of NGO trained “revolutionary” consultants.

    As Passer By wrote, 2021-24 is crucial: the gradual weakening of the West and gradual strengthening of Russia-China requires a deus-ex-machine moves, something has to give, otherwise in a few years West will be forced to settle for worse terms. Navalny and gang are not effective. West will have to for the jugular or give up. It could get scary, or comical – the current Western crop couldn’t find a jugular if their lives dependent on it.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Khordokovsky has re-engaged Kapersky's PR team to support Navalny. K is probably less bright politically than Beresovsky but Navalny is brighter than Kapersky. When the time comes, Khordokovsky's mafia connections are 2nd to none. He has an intelligence service to match the FSB, means to move money and hit squads.

    Replies: @Shortsword

  38. These protests may not succeed and maybe neither will the next, but eventually something will stick and the chauvinistic, slav-centered Russian regime will fall and be replaced by something more palatable to the international community. Once Russia is brought to heel, her racist institutions dismantled and her jingoistic populace subdued, the specter of white supremacy will be extinguished forever from this world. Russia represents the last viable white power center and its subjugation will remove whatever feeble hope white racists may have for the continued independence of the white race.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Lev

    Russians are POC.

    , @Jatt Aryaa
    @Lev

    Bro, stfu vivek. Looking at your comment history, it's the same guy.

    Nigga, stick to one name with your dindu cuck takes.

    , @EldnahYm
    @Lev

    The Jews are no less powerful in Russia than they are in the United States.

    , @joniel
    @Lev

    How is white supremacist when it is BIPOC protestor vs BIPOC police?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  39. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    On the other hand, why would he return to Russia?
     
    That’s an easy one. Where else can he earn a living? He is good at nothing, so his only potential source of income is handouts from the State Department, or CIA, or MI6, or Mossad. But he can get those handouts only being inside Russia. Outside he is totally useless to his paymasters

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Levtraro

    Since you know so much about the topic, care to share with us your own take on his recent poisoning?
    My own theory is pretty much premised on Sherlock Holmes’s famous dictum:

    When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    I don’t claim to know all that much, I did not live in Russia since 1991, and I visited Russia only three times since then.

    However, if you want to find out the truth, I think you have to use the approach that predates Sherlock by centuries: Roman cui bono. The whole poisoning (that did not really poison) circus was likely arranged by Navalny handlers in CIA/MI6/Mossad to raise his visibility. He was gradually losing appeal in Russia, had to resort to sexually half-mature schoolchildren, because his “narrative” was too silly for adults. Considering that his approval hovered below 5%, current 15% who believe that he was poisoned by the regime is a huge leap forward.

    Personally, I think that if the regime really wanted him poisoned, he’d be poisoned and dead within hours. The fact that this circus went on for many weeks, with him allowed to go to Charite and then return, clearly indicates who “poisoned” him, and it wasn’t Russian regime. I must say that CIA/MI6/Mossad handlers are trying to get as much as possible out of week hand they’ve got, but it’s still a weak hand, and it won’t be winning.

    They need to invest in a more substantive and credible figure than Navalny. Their problem is that only worthless nonentities are for sale, and anyone of any worth in Russia would be their enemy. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @Znzn

  40. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Given his record, I assume the next punishment will be much longer, as a recidivist. He was born in 2000. He'll now probably spend more or all of his 20s behind bars.

    But sure, he'll have his 5 minutes of Internet fame from the Russian pronouns people on Twitter. Chad af.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    He has shown his courage and physical prowess, he did not back down. There was a time when young Russians acted exactly like him.

    Развернись, мое плечо! Будет, будет горячо. Размахнись-ка, мой кулак, бей и эдак, бей и так!

    It was normal and well regarded in a young man. Villages fought one another for commons each year. Sometimes they fought for fun in a кулачный бой. This energy, this strength were called сила молодецкая and were seen as entirely positive.

    Even when I was young in 80ies Moscow we sometimes fought against other neighborhood gangs. The most notorious among them were Lyubery. We were not scheming and calculating weaklings, a few times I came home with bruises and bleeding. It was okay.

    My cousin in Piter stood alone against two AK-47 carrying OMON cops in the early 90ies and squarely told them that they were “f☆cking clowns”. No problem: he’s alive and well. I personally had a couple of разборки with Chechen guys around 1994 – 1996 in my neighborhood, including one drug dealer. No problem, I’m doing fine.

    But that was then, this is now: a single Daguestani guy fights better than 20 Russian muzhiki around him. Буйных мало. А парень молодец. I would shake his hand anytime.

    Чёткий парень.

    🙂

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @mal
    @Bashibuzuk

    I'm not so sure about that. Single fighting won't even win battles nevermind wars. Organization matters, and Dagestani and Chechens are effective because they are highly familial/tribal. A single Chechen is worthless, a tribe of them working together is a different story.

    The fact that this guy wasn't covered by his relatives means he is not good and his family disowned him. Which is probably good because if it were otherwise, OMON would have to bring out flamethrowers and it would get messy. Unlike US and BLM fires, Russia doesn't have infinite USD to repair $billions in city damages caused by PR stunts.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Dreadilk
    @Bashibuzuk

    Warriors come in many different shapes and sizes. I would say this one falls in the dumb grunt category. I do respect that aspect of it, but he happens to be on the "enemy" side. If you know what I mean.

    , @Felix Keverich
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't know about you, but I don't consider Caucasians to be humans like us. To me Caucasians are a form of wildlife. While co-existance between humans and Caucasians is certainly possible, they don't belong in our cities.

    To give you a comparison, placing an agitated male baboon in the middle of that protest would surely produce a lot of chaos. It doesn't make that baboon a hero, and celebrating his "masculinity" makes you look stupid.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  41. @Lev
    These protests may not succeed and maybe neither will the next, but eventually something will stick and the chauvinistic, slav-centered Russian regime will fall and be replaced by something more palatable to the international community. Once Russia is brought to heel, her racist institutions dismantled and her jingoistic populace subdued, the specter of white supremacy will be extinguished forever from this world. Russia represents the last viable white power center and its subjugation will remove whatever feeble hope white racists may have for the continued independence of the white race.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jatt Aryaa, @EldnahYm, @joniel

    Russians are POC.

    • Agree: 4Dchessmaster
  42. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Pretty easy to clock up millions of views when you have Google's algorithms on your side, back in the real world - it was a damp squib (as was clear to me from the start).

    But hopefully this causes the kremlins to finally awake to the threat of having the discourse within their country set by a platform controlled by a hostile foreign Power.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Ludwig, @4Dchessmaster

    The thing is, I don’t even believe Navalny is a threat. Can anyone really tell what he stands for?

    All I ever hear from Navalny is “Putin bad, corruption bad”. It is so boring and stale that I hardly doubt he would ever be able to pull a 1917 even if he were given all the tools and support to do so. He is too incompetent and buffoonish.

    • Replies: @mal
    @4Dchessmaster

    People focus on Navalny like he is shiny glitter and that is wrong. The ultimate objective is succession because Putin is not forever, and he is taking his time nominating a candidate. If you can alter the perception of the elites, you can make them a good deal (in infinite fiat USD) and you can get them to defect. Protests are just a cover story.

    What will happen is US will try its best to humiliate Russian government on international and domestic Russian stage, and convey to the elites that they are better off selling out than pursuing an independent course. Russian oligarchs will be quite receptive, but to convince security services, US will need to convince them that serving under Putin course of action is neither prestigious nor profitable.

    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.

    And if Putin retaliates, well, my game of "get Joe Biden to nuke something" will be in play.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  43. @Lev
    These protests may not succeed and maybe neither will the next, but eventually something will stick and the chauvinistic, slav-centered Russian regime will fall and be replaced by something more palatable to the international community. Once Russia is brought to heel, her racist institutions dismantled and her jingoistic populace subdued, the specter of white supremacy will be extinguished forever from this world. Russia represents the last viable white power center and its subjugation will remove whatever feeble hope white racists may have for the continued independence of the white race.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jatt Aryaa, @EldnahYm, @joniel

    Bro, stfu vivek. Looking at your comment history, it’s the same guy.

    Nigga, stick to one name with your dindu cuck takes.

  44. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    He has shown his courage and physical prowess, he did not back down. There was a time when young Russians acted exactly like him.

    Развернись, мое плечо! Будет, будет горячо. Размахнись-ка, мой кулак, бей и эдак, бей и так!

    It was normal and well regarded in a young man. Villages fought one another for commons each year. Sometimes they fought for fun in a кулачный бой. This energy, this strength were called сила молодецкая and were seen as entirely positive.

    Even when I was young in 80ies Moscow we sometimes fought against other neighborhood gangs. The most notorious among them were Lyubery. We were not scheming and calculating weaklings, a few times I came home with bruises and bleeding. It was okay.

    My cousin in Piter stood alone against two AK-47 carrying OMON cops in the early 90ies and squarely told them that they were "f☆cking clowns". No problem: he's alive and well. I personally had a couple of разборки with Chechen guys around 1994 - 1996 in my neighborhood, including one drug dealer. No problem, I'm doing fine.

    But that was then, this is now: a single Daguestani guy fights better than 20 Russian muzhiki around him. Буйных мало. А парень молодец. I would shake his hand anytime.

    Чёткий парень.

    🙂

    Replies: @mal, @Dreadilk, @Felix Keverich

    I’m not so sure about that. Single fighting won’t even win battles nevermind wars. Organization matters, and Dagestani and Chechens are effective because they are highly familial/tribal. A single Chechen is worthless, a tribe of them working together is a different story.

    The fact that this guy wasn’t covered by his relatives means he is not good and his family disowned him. Which is probably good because if it were otherwise, OMON would have to bring out flamethrowers and it would get messy. Unlike US and BLM fires, Russia doesn’t have infinite USD to repair $billions in city damages caused by PR stunts.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @mal


    Single fighting won’t even win battles nevermind wars.
     
    Agree with that.

    Dagestani and Chechens are effective because they are highly familial/tribal
     
    Yes and also because they are willing to fight. They don't look for excuses. If they have to fight, then they just do. If they have to kill, they just kill.

    A single Chechen is worthless
     
    Disagree with that. A man willing to fight is never useless. A crowd of cowards is less useful than a single man willing to fight.

    this guy wasn’t covered by his relatives
     
    We don't know his story. We don't know how he got in the demonstration and we don't know why he started throwing punches.

    Besides, a lot of Russian families won't cover their relatives in a fight and it is even worse in the West. In the West probably the majority of your relatives won't come and help if you have to fight someone. Best case scenario, they will call the police. Worse case they will ignore the situation entirely.

    OMON would have to bring out flamethrowers and it would get messy
     
    OMON are not some Spetsnaz. They are good at beating up unarmed demonstrators. Not sure about them prevailing against armed DICh militants.

    Bottom line: one should not look for trouble, but endlessly avoiding trouble at any costs and always counting on cops for protection is a loser strategy. This is what happened to a lot of Russian civilians in Chechnya in 1992 and it ended up as extremely unpleasant for tens of thousands of them. They hoped for state protection and they got none, Chechens used brute force and killed and enslaved them at will, like cattle.
  45. @Lev
    These protests may not succeed and maybe neither will the next, but eventually something will stick and the chauvinistic, slav-centered Russian regime will fall and be replaced by something more palatable to the international community. Once Russia is brought to heel, her racist institutions dismantled and her jingoistic populace subdued, the specter of white supremacy will be extinguished forever from this world. Russia represents the last viable white power center and its subjugation will remove whatever feeble hope white racists may have for the continued independence of the white race.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jatt Aryaa, @EldnahYm, @joniel

    The Jews are no less powerful in Russia than they are in the United States.

  46. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even prison did not break this guy. More respect for him then for fighting against the OMON. That's the difference between a warrior and a geek. The warrior will go all in, the geek will analyze the situation and find a thousand reasons to avoid fighting. There was a time Russians were warriors...

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard.Gerard

    LOL-what time are you finishing sucking Navalny’s d*ck?.

    He could easily have just released this “investigation” before intended arrival in Russia you idiot. This scumbag has deliberately exacerbated the situation by compounding his deserved arrest, with the BS “Palace” video at the same time. Under foreign direction this tramp has engineered a situation to create some anarchy, all for the purposes of avoiding jail, NOT showing bravery you cretin.

    The facts are that he 2 times failed to report to FSIN as part of requirements for his suspended sentence. This should have jailed him but didn’t. Then there was the comedy poisoning where ( contrary to the BS spread by liberast imbeciles) the authorities allowed him to not return and report back to FSIN because he was “recovering” from the fake poisoning. When he then restarted doing his “investigations” in Germany, the authorities had no option but to stop viewing him as “recovering”…. and demand his immediate return – that he failed to do.

    In addition to that violation we have the most OBVIOUS case of slander in history by Navalny against……. a WW2 hero, and the most blatant misappropriation of funds from his so called anti-corruption organisation where its quite blatant that his travelling, clothes, properties, kids holidays, kids foreign educations are way in excess of his stated income…. and that’s without even thinking about his ” Prince of Liechtenstein” ( or it is Luxembourg?) POS deputy Volkov, who is even more obviously corrupt.

    Does even a demented human as yourself not want to question WHERE WERE NAVALNY’S KIDS during these western-sponsored protests?

    LOL- calling out for schoolkids to break the law ( well, 1.1% of them hahaha), falsely promise to pay their fines…. but somehow the children of his, the daughter an adult I think, are nowhere at the protests.
    Where were they? On holiday in Puerto Rico? Their father ” falsely imprisoned”, great optics for their western prostitute backers if arrested, inciting children to commit crimes…… but they are nowhere… e xept able to carry on expensive lifestyles in expensive Western universities as others suffer.

    It’s been a great day with great comedy for Russia. Beautifully perfect policing, comedically low turnout to support their hero, “70 million views” shown as contemptible BS.
    The only problem is the story of FSB patriot possibly losing his eye after a scumbag Navalny-whore attack. I pray to God it is not true about his eye ( doesn’t look like anybody could have gouged it, but possibly windscreen shattered causing possible eye problem)

    It isn’t relevant if fair or logical….. if the FSB guy loses an eye……. I am holding YOU responsible.

    Some dumb bitch stood in the way of police walking an arrested man into their vehicle in Saint Petersburg. She stepped into their line of walking to nonsensically ask why they arrested him. Quite beautifully, one of the police kicked her. He has to think of his safety first. Completely textbook policing.

    If anything bad happens to that guy in his employment or legally… I am again holding YOU responsible.

    Cretin

  47. LOL

  48. @4Dchessmaster
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The thing is, I don't even believe Navalny is a threat. Can anyone really tell what he stands for?

    All I ever hear from Navalny is "Putin bad, corruption bad". It is so boring and stale that I hardly doubt he would ever be able to pull a 1917 even if he were given all the tools and support to do so. He is too incompetent and buffoonish.

    Replies: @mal

    People focus on Navalny like he is shiny glitter and that is wrong. The ultimate objective is succession because Putin is not forever, and he is taking his time nominating a candidate. If you can alter the perception of the elites, you can make them a good deal (in infinite fiat USD) and you can get them to defect. Protests are just a cover story.

    What will happen is US will try its best to humiliate Russian government on international and domestic Russian stage, and convey to the elites that they are better off selling out than pursuing an independent course. Russian oligarchs will be quite receptive, but to convince security services, US will need to convince them that serving under Putin course of action is neither prestigious nor profitable.

    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.

    And if Putin retaliates, well, my game of “get Joe Biden to nuke something” will be in play.

    • Agree: Felix Keverich
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @mal


    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.
     
    That would be insanely risky, no?

    Replies: @Felix Keverich

  49. @Passer by
    @mal

    Its not over yet, after Navalny gets jailed for several years (i'm 90 % sure of that) then things will get interesting. This will trigger joint US/EU sanctions and more protests on the streets. His wife will probably take over (Belarus Scenario). Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.

    The status of Nord Stream 2 doesn’t depend on Russian actions. Maybe EU puts out some insane terms that Russia has to abide with to get Nord Stream 2 finished. But that’s politically the same as cancellation. It’s mostly United States and Germany deciding this.

    There are reasons Germany want Nord Stream 2. About half was German financed but perhaps more importantly Germany doesn’t want a situation where USA can cancel Germany’s trade relations and international economical projects because of American geopolitical goals. Much of Germany’s potential growth comes from trade with China and Germany doesn’t want that squandered.

  50. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    He has shown his courage and physical prowess, he did not back down. There was a time when young Russians acted exactly like him.

    Развернись, мое плечо! Будет, будет горячо. Размахнись-ка, мой кулак, бей и эдак, бей и так!

    It was normal and well regarded in a young man. Villages fought one another for commons each year. Sometimes they fought for fun in a кулачный бой. This energy, this strength were called сила молодецкая and were seen as entirely positive.

    Even when I was young in 80ies Moscow we sometimes fought against other neighborhood gangs. The most notorious among them were Lyubery. We were not scheming and calculating weaklings, a few times I came home with bruises and bleeding. It was okay.

    My cousin in Piter stood alone against two AK-47 carrying OMON cops in the early 90ies and squarely told them that they were "f☆cking clowns". No problem: he's alive and well. I personally had a couple of разборки with Chechen guys around 1994 - 1996 in my neighborhood, including one drug dealer. No problem, I'm doing fine.

    But that was then, this is now: a single Daguestani guy fights better than 20 Russian muzhiki around him. Буйных мало. А парень молодец. I would shake his hand anytime.

    Чёткий парень.

    🙂

    Replies: @mal, @Dreadilk, @Felix Keverich

    Warriors come in many different shapes and sizes. I would say this one falls in the dumb grunt category. I do respect that aspect of it, but he happens to be on the “enemy” side. If you know what I mean.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  51. @mal
    @4Dchessmaster

    People focus on Navalny like he is shiny glitter and that is wrong. The ultimate objective is succession because Putin is not forever, and he is taking his time nominating a candidate. If you can alter the perception of the elites, you can make them a good deal (in infinite fiat USD) and you can get them to defect. Protests are just a cover story.

    What will happen is US will try its best to humiliate Russian government on international and domestic Russian stage, and convey to the elites that they are better off selling out than pursuing an independent course. Russian oligarchs will be quite receptive, but to convince security services, US will need to convince them that serving under Putin course of action is neither prestigious nor profitable.

    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.

    And if Putin retaliates, well, my game of "get Joe Biden to nuke something" will be in play.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.

    That would be insanely risky, no?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    @Daniel Chieh

    Not at all risky for the for US. What exactly Putlet is going to do? Poison Vicky Nuland? Ha!

    Insanely risky for the Russian oligarchs, whose assets could be easily redistributed by the next Tsar. This is a country with no functional courts, no culture of private property and oligarchic wealth is still widely seen as illegitimate.

  52. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Since you know so much about the topic, care to share with us your own take on his recent poisoning?
    My own theory is pretty much premised on Sherlock Holmes's famous dictum:


    When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I don’t claim to know all that much, I did not live in Russia since 1991, and I visited Russia only three times since then.

    However, if you want to find out the truth, I think you have to use the approach that predates Sherlock by centuries: Roman cui bono. The whole poisoning (that did not really poison) circus was likely arranged by Navalny handlers in CIA/MI6/Mossad to raise his visibility. He was gradually losing appeal in Russia, had to resort to sexually half-mature schoolchildren, because his “narrative” was too silly for adults. Considering that his approval hovered below 5%, current 15% who believe that he was poisoned by the regime is a huge leap forward.

    Personally, I think that if the regime really wanted him poisoned, he’d be poisoned and dead within hours. The fact that this circus went on for many weeks, with him allowed to go to Charite and then return, clearly indicates who “poisoned” him, and it wasn’t Russian regime. I must say that CIA/MI6/Mossad handlers are trying to get as much as possible out of week hand they’ve got, but it’s still a weak hand, and it won’t be winning.

    They need to invest in a more substantive and credible figure than Navalny. Their problem is that only worthless nonentities are for sale, and anyone of any worth in Russia would be their enemy. Tough luck.

    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
    @AnonfromTN

    BTW, I don't know if I asked you before, but any thoughts on what happened in the Yushchenko non-poisoning/"poisoning"?

    That's one thing where I get annoyed with the authorities - the failure to give an official position on things like that, "fraud" in the failure Orange revolution, MH17, Skripal. Litvinenko etc.

    Western people who follow international news are total imbeciles, Russian authorities showing that we did not do a crime (even if it is entirely credible, as for all those examples) is not the same as saying who in our official opinion, actually did do it. Westerners won't accept a denial, without a direct accusation to go with it.

    , @Znzn
    @AnonfromTN

    Plastic paddy?

  53. “The Kremlin can use the same philosophy being proposed in the US”

    They can arrest and debrief opposition activists every 30 days and threaten them with mandatory multiple vax “treatments” from the red vial…the one with the active aids virus or nanobots. Easy for the media to cover up. Covert death by lethal injection. The USA/NATO/USAID might well be moving to do just that in America…perhaps against right-wing gun owners, or anybody else deemed not economically viable, or not Zionist enough…or whatever.

  54. @mal
    @Bashibuzuk

    I'm not so sure about that. Single fighting won't even win battles nevermind wars. Organization matters, and Dagestani and Chechens are effective because they are highly familial/tribal. A single Chechen is worthless, a tribe of them working together is a different story.

    The fact that this guy wasn't covered by his relatives means he is not good and his family disowned him. Which is probably good because if it were otherwise, OMON would have to bring out flamethrowers and it would get messy. Unlike US and BLM fires, Russia doesn't have infinite USD to repair $billions in city damages caused by PR stunts.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Single fighting won’t even win battles nevermind wars.

    Agree with that.

    Dagestani and Chechens are effective because they are highly familial/tribal

    Yes and also because they are willing to fight. They don’t look for excuses. If they have to fight, then they just do. If they have to kill, they just kill.

    A single Chechen is worthless

    Disagree with that. A man willing to fight is never useless. A crowd of cowards is less useful than a single man willing to fight.

    this guy wasn’t covered by his relatives

    We don’t know his story. We don’t know how he got in the demonstration and we don’t know why he started throwing punches.

    Besides, a lot of Russian families won’t cover their relatives in a fight and it is even worse in the West. In the West probably the majority of your relatives won’t come and help if you have to fight someone. Best case scenario, they will call the police. Worse case they will ignore the situation entirely.

    OMON would have to bring out flamethrowers and it would get messy

    OMON are not some Spetsnaz. They are good at beating up unarmed demonstrators. Not sure about them prevailing against armed DICh militants.

    Bottom line: one should not look for trouble, but endlessly avoiding trouble at any costs and always counting on cops for protection is a loser strategy. This is what happened to a lot of Russian civilians in Chechnya in 1992 and it ended up as extremely unpleasant for tens of thousands of them. They hoped for state protection and they got none, Chechens used brute force and killed and enslaved them at will, like cattle.

  55. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    I don’t claim to know all that much, I did not live in Russia since 1991, and I visited Russia only three times since then.

    However, if you want to find out the truth, I think you have to use the approach that predates Sherlock by centuries: Roman cui bono. The whole poisoning (that did not really poison) circus was likely arranged by Navalny handlers in CIA/MI6/Mossad to raise his visibility. He was gradually losing appeal in Russia, had to resort to sexually half-mature schoolchildren, because his “narrative” was too silly for adults. Considering that his approval hovered below 5%, current 15% who believe that he was poisoned by the regime is a huge leap forward.

    Personally, I think that if the regime really wanted him poisoned, he’d be poisoned and dead within hours. The fact that this circus went on for many weeks, with him allowed to go to Charite and then return, clearly indicates who “poisoned” him, and it wasn’t Russian regime. I must say that CIA/MI6/Mossad handlers are trying to get as much as possible out of week hand they’ve got, but it’s still a weak hand, and it won’t be winning.

    They need to invest in a more substantive and credible figure than Navalny. Their problem is that only worthless nonentities are for sale, and anyone of any worth in Russia would be their enemy. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @Znzn

    BTW, I don’t know if I asked you before, but any thoughts on what happened in the Yushchenko non-poisoning/”poisoning”?

    That’s one thing where I get annoyed with the authorities – the failure to give an official position on things like that, “fraud” in the failure Orange revolution, MH17, Skripal. Litvinenko etc.

    Western people who follow international news are total imbeciles, Russian authorities showing that we did not do a crime (even if it is entirely credible, as for all those examples) is not the same as saying who in our official opinion, actually did do it. Westerners won’t accept a denial, without a direct accusation to go with it.

  56. @Daniel Chieh
    @mal


    So expect massive provocations (to the point of killing Russian government officials Suleimani style) against typically cautious Putin government. If security service get disappointed and demoralized, oligarchs will do the rest, and color revolution will come to Russia.
     
    That would be insanely risky, no?

    Replies: @Felix Keverich

    Not at all risky for the for US. What exactly Putlet is going to do? Poison Vicky Nuland? Ha!

    Insanely risky for the Russian oligarchs, whose assets could be easily redistributed by the next Tsar. This is a country with no functional courts, no culture of private property and oligarchic wealth is still widely seen as illegitimate.

  57. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    He has shown his courage and physical prowess, he did not back down. There was a time when young Russians acted exactly like him.

    Развернись, мое плечо! Будет, будет горячо. Размахнись-ка, мой кулак, бей и эдак, бей и так!

    It was normal and well regarded in a young man. Villages fought one another for commons each year. Sometimes they fought for fun in a кулачный бой. This energy, this strength were called сила молодецкая and were seen as entirely positive.

    Even when I was young in 80ies Moscow we sometimes fought against other neighborhood gangs. The most notorious among them were Lyubery. We were not scheming and calculating weaklings, a few times I came home with bruises and bleeding. It was okay.

    My cousin in Piter stood alone against two AK-47 carrying OMON cops in the early 90ies and squarely told them that they were "f☆cking clowns". No problem: he's alive and well. I personally had a couple of разборки with Chechen guys around 1994 - 1996 in my neighborhood, including one drug dealer. No problem, I'm doing fine.

    But that was then, this is now: a single Daguestani guy fights better than 20 Russian muzhiki around him. Буйных мало. А парень молодец. I would shake his hand anytime.

    Чёткий парень.

    🙂

    Replies: @mal, @Dreadilk, @Felix Keverich

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t consider Caucasians to be humans like us. To me Caucasians are a form of wildlife. While co-existance between humans and Caucasians is certainly possible, they don’t belong in our cities.

    To give you a comparison, placing an agitated male baboon in the middle of that protest would surely produce a lot of chaos. It doesn’t make that baboon a hero, and celebrating his “masculinity” makes you look stupid.

    • LOL: Svevlad
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Felix Keverich

    Why don't you say to a Chechen that they are lowly animals? Just try buddy and send us your impressions of the ensuing events. Also if writing something obvious- that fighting alone with no weapon against several antiriot cops takes courage- makes me seem stupid in your opinion, then I don't think I should care about your opinion at all.

    Just saying...

    🙂

    Replies: @Felix Keverich

  58. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    Yes, her account got leaked months ago. There is some resemblance to Putin.

    If true, good for him - she inherited a nice sense of aesthetics. https://www.instagram.com/luizaroz_/

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

    Cmon Karlin…. don’t be a dimwit. You’re a blogger so ACT LIKE A BLOGGER.

    At least show SOME interest in facial characteristics or the girls mother before you go in on this “lovechild” BS.

    Every single photo of the mother circulated in media shows her with the face majority covered with sunglasses – making it impossible to know what she looks like, and so extrapolate what her daughter should possibly look as.

    That is all…. except one……. where it’s clear that the daughter looks exactly like her mother, Svetlana Krivonogikh, who looks similar to Putin ( it’s almost as if some of us slavs in Russia have Slavic features!)

    How dumb is this “scandal”? For the first time on history – no attempt to look at what the facial appearance is of the officially listed parents before claiming “lovechild” LOL.

    It’s also highly insulting to think that security conscious Putin VVP, encourages this woman, not even his mistress, to pleasantly just have a child of his. What is this BS – not Orthodox enough to not sleep with her….. but ultra-orthodox at the point she must have the pregnancy and raise an illegitimate child of his? LOL

    Patriotic media don’t publish proper photo because of justified privacy (just as they do with Poroshenko’s MP son’s wife Russian family in Saint Petersburg)…. but fake retard liberast media only circulate images wearing sunglasses that are as good as a welding mask for seeing what her face looks like! Psyop

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Gerard.Gerard

    There isn't that much evidence. But it's not impossible that she could be. It's not like we can verify it either way.

    1. She goes to school in London, which indicates parents with above average income (although her mother is known be a rich woman independently so that's not necessarily evidence about her father).

    2. Her boyfriend is son of Mikhail Skigin and grandson of Dmitry Skigin - the latter is also like her mother with close degrees of separation to Putin in the 1990s. Boyfriend deleted all his tiktoks and socia media after it reported (but you would do that anyway to avoid trolls so it doesn't mean anything).

    3. She exactly the same as if like if just you added long hair to Putin. But unfortunately quite a lot of girls look like that so it's not much evidence either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reLVLWIAwuQ

    Replies: @Dmitry

  59. @Felix Keverich
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't know about you, but I don't consider Caucasians to be humans like us. To me Caucasians are a form of wildlife. While co-existance between humans and Caucasians is certainly possible, they don't belong in our cities.

    To give you a comparison, placing an agitated male baboon in the middle of that protest would surely produce a lot of chaos. It doesn't make that baboon a hero, and celebrating his "masculinity" makes you look stupid.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Why don’t you say to a Chechen that they are lowly animals? Just try buddy and send us your impressions of the ensuing events. Also if writing something obvious- that fighting alone with no weapon against several antiriot cops takes courage- makes me seem stupid in your opinion, then I don’t think I should care about your opinion at all.

    Just saying…

    🙂

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's called 'recklessness', because that Chechen had zero chance of winning. Caucasians being stupid animals that they are, are unable to anticipate the consequences of their actions.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @cortesar

  60. @Bashibuzuk
    @Felix Keverich

    Why don't you say to a Chechen that they are lowly animals? Just try buddy and send us your impressions of the ensuing events. Also if writing something obvious- that fighting alone with no weapon against several antiriot cops takes courage- makes me seem stupid in your opinion, then I don't think I should care about your opinion at all.

    Just saying...

    🙂

    Replies: @Felix Keverich

    It’s called ‘recklessness’, because that Chechen had zero chance of winning. Caucasians being stupid animals that they are, are unable to anticipate the consequences of their actions.

    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
    @Felix Keverich

    Armenians much less psychopathic/useless drivers than the other Caucasians - particularly those from Che/Dag/Ing

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @cortesar
    @Felix Keverich

    It’s called ‘recklessness’?
    Is it ? Every bravery is by definition reckless and does not include calculation that your cowardly kind does before taking any action.
    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found
    An action like this in face of power and adversity no matter how "reckless" means much more than thousands of empty words which this site produces daily
    Word has its role but time has come to add an S in front of it

    “The country is dying cause of an lack of men, not a lack of programms.”
    ― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Anatoly Karlin

  61. @Felix Keverich
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's called 'recklessness', because that Chechen had zero chance of winning. Caucasians being stupid animals that they are, are unable to anticipate the consequences of their actions.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @cortesar

    Armenians much less psychopathic/useless drivers than the other Caucasians – particularly those from Che/Dag/Ing

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard.Gerard

    We do not view ourselves as Caucasoids, thank you very much. It's not a coincidence that practically anyone who had a single useful skill in that region before the Russian conquest was Armenian.

  62. @Felix Keverich
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's called 'recklessness', because that Chechen had zero chance of winning. Caucasians being stupid animals that they are, are unable to anticipate the consequences of their actions.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @cortesar

    It’s called ‘recklessness’?
    Is it ? Every bravery is by definition reckless and does not include calculation that your cowardly kind does before taking any action.
    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found
    An action like this in face of power and adversity no matter how “reckless” means much more than thousands of empty words which this site produces daily
    Word has its role but time has come to add an S in front of it

    “The country is dying cause of an lack of men, not a lack of programms.”
    ― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    @cortesar


    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found
     
    You're welcome to take our Chechens then. That is all I have to say.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @cortesar

    The Qanoners who stormed the Capitol were courageous.

    They were morons too, TBF. But they were at least doing it for a righteous cause, trying to "take their country back," whereas this Islamist is just a useful idiot.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @cortesar

  63. @cortesar
    @Felix Keverich

    It’s called ‘recklessness’?
    Is it ? Every bravery is by definition reckless and does not include calculation that your cowardly kind does before taking any action.
    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found
    An action like this in face of power and adversity no matter how "reckless" means much more than thousands of empty words which this site produces daily
    Word has its role but time has come to add an S in front of it

    “The country is dying cause of an lack of men, not a lack of programms.”
    ― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Anatoly Karlin

    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found

    You’re welcome to take our Chechens then. That is all I have to say.

  64. @Gerard.Gerard
    @Felix Keverich

    Armenians much less psychopathic/useless drivers than the other Caucasians - particularly those from Che/Dag/Ing

    Replies: @Yevardian

    We do not view ourselves as Caucasoids, thank you very much. It’s not a coincidence that practically anyone who had a single useful skill in that region before the Russian conquest was Armenian.

    • Agree: Gerard.Gerard
  65. As Passer By wrote, 2021-24 is crucial: the gradual weakening of the West and gradual strengthening of Russia-China requires a deus-ex-machine moves, something has to give, otherwise in a few years West will be forced to settle for worse terms.

    On the one hand, the Putin machine managed to deal with the demographic abyss caused by the collapse of Soviet Russia and the roaring 90s.
    On the other hand, right now no one is making babies, due to COVID, so 2020 and beyond will be a second demographic abyss.

    On the third hand, in the US, the demographic that made it a world power in the first place–Anglo-Germanic whites capable of improvisation and self-reliance–are disengaging increasingly from what they view as a hostile colonial power structure, while the whites playing for the regime are the bland careerist ones…i.e. the ones that brought about the collapse of Soviet Russia.

    So let’s see, let’s see…

  66. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    I don’t claim to know all that much, I did not live in Russia since 1991, and I visited Russia only three times since then.

    However, if you want to find out the truth, I think you have to use the approach that predates Sherlock by centuries: Roman cui bono. The whole poisoning (that did not really poison) circus was likely arranged by Navalny handlers in CIA/MI6/Mossad to raise his visibility. He was gradually losing appeal in Russia, had to resort to sexually half-mature schoolchildren, because his “narrative” was too silly for adults. Considering that his approval hovered below 5%, current 15% who believe that he was poisoned by the regime is a huge leap forward.

    Personally, I think that if the regime really wanted him poisoned, he’d be poisoned and dead within hours. The fact that this circus went on for many weeks, with him allowed to go to Charite and then return, clearly indicates who “poisoned” him, and it wasn’t Russian regime. I must say that CIA/MI6/Mossad handlers are trying to get as much as possible out of week hand they’ve got, but it’s still a weak hand, and it won’t be winning.

    They need to invest in a more substantive and credible figure than Navalny. Their problem is that only worthless nonentities are for sale, and anyone of any worth in Russia would be their enemy. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard, @Znzn

    Plastic paddy?

  67. Surprising amount of scenes of Russian police looking on the back foot in the Western media. Police being beaten up, their own barricades ripped apart and thrown at them, being pelted with snowballs and made to look like chumps, etc.

    More what I would have expected from the weak, knee taking British police, not the Russian police with their reputation for being tough and uncompromising.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Europe Europa

    They have been told to not exaggerate. But there were a couple occasions when they didn't restrain themselves. Like the video where an antiriot cop kicks an old woman because she asks why the young man they were escorting was arrested and where the cops were taking him. But overall they did their job without too much brutality. Same thing from the protesters' side, a couple of excesses, but overall they were well behaved. Especially when you compare with France or USA.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Europe Europa

    I would say the Moscow OMON handled things extremely well - almost no bad optics, it was almost entirely Navalny's drones chimping out. Almost no instances of gratuitous violence, which contributed to Belorussians seething and continuing to come out for months. The normies will tire of it in a few weeks. The hardcore will be ID'ed and progressively arrested, charged, and locked away.

    Replies: @Shortsword

  68. @Lev
    These protests may not succeed and maybe neither will the next, but eventually something will stick and the chauvinistic, slav-centered Russian regime will fall and be replaced by something more palatable to the international community. Once Russia is brought to heel, her racist institutions dismantled and her jingoistic populace subdued, the specter of white supremacy will be extinguished forever from this world. Russia represents the last viable white power center and its subjugation will remove whatever feeble hope white racists may have for the continued independence of the white race.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Jatt Aryaa, @EldnahYm, @joniel

    How is white supremacist when it is BIPOC protestor vs BIPOC police?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @joniel

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1353293446136684545

  69. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    On the other hand, why would he return to Russia?
     
    That’s an easy one. Where else can he earn a living? He is good at nothing, so his only potential source of income is handouts from the State Department, or CIA, or MI6, or Mossad. But he can get those handouts only being inside Russia. Outside he is totally useless to his paymasters

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Levtraro

    How about monetizing his Youpube following? With million views and Youpube’s endorsement he should get some kind of income.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Levtraro


    How about monetizing his Youpube following? With million views and Youpube’s endorsement he should get some kind of income.
     
    Youtube stats are as fake as the 2020 elections. If the advertisers pay money based on these fakes, they are even dumber than I think.
  70. @Europe Europa
    Surprising amount of scenes of Russian police looking on the back foot in the Western media. Police being beaten up, their own barricades ripped apart and thrown at them, being pelted with snowballs and made to look like chumps, etc.

    More what I would have expected from the weak, knee taking British police, not the Russian police with their reputation for being tough and uncompromising.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

    They have been told to not exaggerate. But there were a couple occasions when they didn’t restrain themselves. Like the video where an antiriot cop kicks an old woman because she asks why the young man they were escorting was arrested and where the cops were taking him. But overall they did their job without too much brutality. Same thing from the protesters’ side, a couple of excesses, but overall they were well behaved. Especially when you compare with France or USA.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Bashibuzuk


    Like the video where an antiriot cop kicks an old woman because she asks why the young man they were escorting was arrested and where the cops were taking him.
     
    They later apologized to that woman. Have you ever heard of French police apologizing to gilets jaunes? I guess that’s the difference between “dictatorship” and “democracy”.
  71. @Passer by
    @Shortsword

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    The context - look at the corrupt, unfaitful Putin and his illegitimate children living in luxury, vs the poor russian population - it is a strong context too.

    Make no mistake, an attack has started on Putin and Russia. Just in time for Biden's Presidency to escalate further the hybrid war against Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Soloview

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    This is your feeling or your hope?

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Levtraro

    If you check my long term comments, you would know that it isn't a "hope", lol. If i was you, i would not ask useless comments about someone but simply check their comments to see what their views are. Which are quite, quite pro-russian.

    Replies: @Levtraro

  72. @cortesar
    @Felix Keverich

    It’s called ‘recklessness’?
    Is it ? Every bravery is by definition reckless and does not include calculation that your cowardly kind does before taking any action.
    Regardless of this particular event this is the kind of man that the west thoroughly lacks and that is why we are where we are
    For many years we have had scribblers, trolls, meme creators and so on but a true man was nowhere to be found
    An action like this in face of power and adversity no matter how "reckless" means much more than thousands of empty words which this site produces daily
    Word has its role but time has come to add an S in front of it

    “The country is dying cause of an lack of men, not a lack of programms.”
    ― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Anatoly Karlin

    The Qanoners who stormed the Capitol were courageous.

    They were morons too, TBF. But they were at least doing it for a righteous cause, trying to “take their country back,” whereas this Islamist is just a useful idiot.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sometimes it takes a poet to tell it as it is. The song below is a message to the rationalizing cowards from the European Identitaires :

    https://youtu.be/M0nwVsztLRg


    Go kneel and weep and join the herd...
     
    Can't say better myself!

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @cortesar
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have clearly stated that I look at the fight outside of the contest of the particular demonstration but in the context of a man ready to fight when when odds are stacked against him with an emphasis of the total lack of this kind of men in West when such kind of man is exactly what is needed (not just another futile analysis of one kind or another)
    The fact that he is a Dagestanee or a Chechen is irrelevant in this context

    As Mahatma Gandhi once said

    "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live"

  73. @Europe Europa
    Surprising amount of scenes of Russian police looking on the back foot in the Western media. Police being beaten up, their own barricades ripped apart and thrown at them, being pelted with snowballs and made to look like chumps, etc.

    More what I would have expected from the weak, knee taking British police, not the Russian police with their reputation for being tough and uncompromising.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

    I would say the Moscow OMON handled things extremely well – almost no bad optics, it was almost entirely Navalny’s drones chimping out. Almost no instances of gratuitous violence, which contributed to Belorussians seething and continuing to come out for months. The normies will tire of it in a few weeks. The hardcore will be ID’ed and progressively arrested, charged, and locked away.

    • Agree: DreadIlk
    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you know the numbers of police killings and police killed in Russia? In the United States the police has a somewhat justified paranoia of getting shot which results in them being very trigger happy. I don't think that situation really exists in Russia.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Gerard.Gerard, @Europe Europa

  74. @Anatoly Karlin
    @cortesar

    The Qanoners who stormed the Capitol were courageous.

    They were morons too, TBF. But they were at least doing it for a righteous cause, trying to "take their country back," whereas this Islamist is just a useful idiot.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @cortesar

    Sometimes it takes a poet to tell it as it is. The song below is a message to the rationalizing cowards from the European Identitaires :

    Go kneel and weep and join the herd…

    Can’t say better myself!

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Sergey Grigorov pegged you perfectly.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc0Gl3XcAAUjpV.png

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

  75. @joniel
    @Lev

    How is white supremacist when it is BIPOC protestor vs BIPOC police?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  76. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sometimes it takes a poet to tell it as it is. The song below is a message to the rationalizing cowards from the European Identitaires :

    https://youtu.be/M0nwVsztLRg


    Go kneel and weep and join the herd...
     
    Can't say better myself!

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Sergey Grigorov pegged you perfectly.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If Russian liberals ever take over the country will probably implode. Either a civil war or a full take over. Then Crimea given up, Donbass given up, Osetia - Abhazia given up, Belarus given up, Kaliningrad given up, possibly Northen Caucasus given up, Kuril Islands given up, giving up nukes, a soft dismemberment of the country via various autonomies, and a deliberate program for population replacement and cultural replacement.

    Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia enter NATO, Syria implodes, pro NATO coup in Turkey, Iran under siege, China under siege. Chance for the New World Order taking over the world - 90 %.

    So basically it will mean the destruction of Russia, its culture and people, and handing over the world to the Liberal World Order.

    Thus, whatever Putin may have done, which isn't much different than other countries elites, the country should not be destabilised over it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Hartnell

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have a few problems with Pynia, none of which has anything to do with democracy or liberalism.

    1) Pynia is a toxic byproduct of the Brezhnevian stagnation, he is from the generation that betrayed their fatherland and led the generation of their children (that would be our generation) to much unnecessary suffering and abasement.

    2) Pynia is a creature of Sobchak, Chubais and Berezovsky (who later came to regret helping him rise to power). He is a Yeltsin appointee and continued to demonstrate loyalty and respect to Bor'ka alkash even after the alcoholic's demise.

    3) Pynia might have been a great statesman, a Franco or Napoleon to the humiliated Russia of the 90ies, but he preferred enriching himself and his cronies from Ozero Cooperative.

    4) Pynia employs and promotes to the highest positions the killers of 1993 (Shoigu). Therefore the blood of Supreme Soviet supporters is also on his hands.

    5) Pynia backed down and peed his pants in front of Burkhalter in 2014. He might have saved the Russian speaking Novorossia folks, instead he betrayed them and made their life a hell on earth.

    6) Pynia is Lubavitcher's kissing buddy and Netanyahu's good friend.

    He is not the Leader Russia needs, he never was and he never will be. He was appointed to preside upon Russian weakening and decline and his halfhearted attempts at "standing up from our knees " have only lead to Russia crouching.

    I don't care for a second about Navalny staying alive or dying (especially since he indirectly contrbuted to Tesak's death), but I wish with all my heart to see all the kleptocratic Russian elites stripped of their wealth and marched into some beautiful and all natural Magadan working camp.

    Krylov was right: "it is time to finish this strange system "...

    Replies: @Simpleguest

  77. @Levtraro
    @Passer by


    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.
     
    This is your feeling or your hope?

    Replies: @Passer by

    If you check my long term comments, you would know that it isn’t a “hope”, lol. If i was you, i would not ask useless comments about someone but simply check their comments to see what their views are. Which are quite, quite pro-russian.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Passer by

    I checked some of your previous posts. Perhaps you are one of those Russians that have a bleak view of their own country. If I were Russian I would be proud and positive about my country. Honestly, looking into what has happened in the world during my adult lifetime, two major achievements stand out: fast Russian recovery after the collapse of the USSR and the 90s, and lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in China.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Peter Akuleyev

  78. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Europe Europa

    I would say the Moscow OMON handled things extremely well - almost no bad optics, it was almost entirely Navalny's drones chimping out. Almost no instances of gratuitous violence, which contributed to Belorussians seething and continuing to come out for months. The normies will tire of it in a few weeks. The hardcore will be ID'ed and progressively arrested, charged, and locked away.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Do you know the numbers of police killings and police killed in Russia? In the United States the police has a somewhat justified paranoia of getting shot which results in them being very trigger happy. I don’t think that situation really exists in Russia.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Shortsword

    There is one US cop living in Russia i'm aware of and he say russian cops behave better than US cops, he even says they don't have enough rights. They are not trigger happy.

    , @Gerard.Gerard
    @Shortsword

    Why is everything some annoying reverse question with you?

    In Ingushettia, Chechnya and Dagestan the police are regularly at risk of terrorist attacks and general banditry..... but their rate of killing these swine is far lower than any place in US to their civilians.

    Last year a police officer, in his young 20s asked some scumbag on the platform in the Moscow Metro for his documents ( can't remember if central Asian or kavkaz) and got shot dead. If the same thing happened in America they would shoot dead 25 ethnics as a proportionate response. In Moscow there was no retribution.

    We have gone from an extremely high murder rate in Russia (many shootings obviously) to a much lower, even European levels in some regions...... and this has occurred without mass jailing and mass shootings from Police as would need to do in US for similar thing to occur.

    , @Europe Europa
    @Shortsword

    I think in more "authoritarian" countries individual police officers tend to have less rights and personal agency to make decisions. It surprised me to learn that in China the average police officer doesn't even carry a gun, like in the UK (something very unusual for a Western country). I think the UK leans more towards the "authoritarian" side of things even though most British people have this delusion of their country being some bastion of freedom, the home of the "Magna Carta" and all that.

    This is presumably because the Chinese government does not want to give individual officers the right and confidence to make their own independent judgements on a given situation, which having their own personal sidearm would be likely to.

  79. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Sergey Grigorov pegged you perfectly.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc0Gl3XcAAUjpV.png

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

    If Russian liberals ever take over the country will probably implode. Either a civil war or a full take over. Then Crimea given up, Donbass given up, Osetia – Abhazia given up, Belarus given up, Kaliningrad given up, possibly Northen Caucasus given up, Kuril Islands given up, giving up nukes, a soft dismemberment of the country via various autonomies, and a deliberate program for population replacement and cultural replacement.

    Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia enter NATO, Syria implodes, pro NATO coup in Turkey, Iran under siege, China under siege. Chance for the New World Order taking over the world – 90 %.

    So basically it will mean the destruction of Russia, its culture and people, and handing over the world to the Liberal World Order.

    Thus, whatever Putin may have done, which isn’t much different than other countries elites, the country should not be destabilised over it.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Passer by

    Putin must be replaced by a more nationalistic and ruthless leader. It must be done ASAP. Russia needs a Franco. They should have done it in 2013.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack

    , @Hartnell
    @Passer by

    I dont think the Russian liberals would actually destroy Russia with population replacement. You see, what you have to understand is that Russian liberals are basically concerned about money. They want to have a Western quality of life.

    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house. Russian libs let alone the Russian population want all of that money to themselves and for their own economic development, not wasting billions on propping up outsiders based on humanitarian concerns like the West has.

    So nah, I cant see the horde descending on Russia anytime soon due to those concerns.

    As for giving parts of Russia away to appease the West, sure there are radical hard core libtards who would love to do that. But they are the minority. The majority along with the established military would not want to commit to such a route. Too much prestige along with no actual benefits.

    Honestly I think there will be something of a liberal push in Russia in the coming decades but not enough to fully globohomonise it.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin

  80. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you know the numbers of police killings and police killed in Russia? In the United States the police has a somewhat justified paranoia of getting shot which results in them being very trigger happy. I don't think that situation really exists in Russia.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Gerard.Gerard, @Europe Europa

    There is one US cop living in Russia i’m aware of and he say russian cops behave better than US cops, he even says they don’t have enough rights. They are not trigger happy.

  81. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Sergey Grigorov pegged you perfectly.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc0Gl3XcAAUjpV.png

    Replies: @Passer by, @Bashibuzuk

    I have a few problems with Pynia, none of which has anything to do with democracy or liberalism.

    1) Pynia is a toxic byproduct of the Brezhnevian stagnation, he is from the generation that betrayed their fatherland and led the generation of their children (that would be our generation) to much unnecessary suffering and abasement.

    2) Pynia is a creature of Sobchak, Chubais and Berezovsky (who later came to regret helping him rise to power). He is a Yeltsin appointee and continued to demonstrate loyalty and respect to Bor’ka alkash even after the alcoholic’s demise.

    3) Pynia might have been a great statesman, a Franco or Napoleon to the humiliated Russia of the 90ies, but he preferred enriching himself and his cronies from Ozero Cooperative.

    4) Pynia employs and promotes to the highest positions the killers of 1993 (Shoigu). Therefore the blood of Supreme Soviet supporters is also on his hands.

    5) Pynia backed down and peed his pants in front of Burkhalter in 2014. He might have saved the Russian speaking Novorossia folks, instead he betrayed them and made their life a hell on earth.

    6) Pynia is Lubavitcher’s kissing buddy and Netanyahu’s good friend.

    He is not the Leader Russia needs, he never was and he never will be. He was appointed to preside upon Russian weakening and decline and his halfhearted attempts at “standing up from our knees ” have only lead to Russia crouching.

    I don’t care for a second about Navalny staying alive or dying (especially since he indirectly contrbuted to Tesak’s death), but I wish with all my heart to see all the kleptocratic Russian elites stripped of their wealth and marched into some beautiful and all natural Magadan working camp.

    Krylov was right: “it is time to finish this strange system “…

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
    @Bashibuzuk


    Krylov was right: “it is time to finish this strange system “…
     
    What is strange to me is that you, in your earlier comments, lamented the revolutionary dismantling of the then existing social orders (and the states) that took place not once but twice, first in 1917 and then again in 1991.

    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible. This is a reasonable approach and everyone would agree with that.

    PS. Your nick, Bashibuzuk, eventually become a synonym for the whole rotting Ottoman empire.
    Even today, people in some places, shake their heads and simply say "a Bashibuzuk" when they are confronted with an undisciplined and unruly mob, or want to describe something that is unable to function in any orderly manner.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  82. @Passer by
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If Russian liberals ever take over the country will probably implode. Either a civil war or a full take over. Then Crimea given up, Donbass given up, Osetia - Abhazia given up, Belarus given up, Kaliningrad given up, possibly Northen Caucasus given up, Kuril Islands given up, giving up nukes, a soft dismemberment of the country via various autonomies, and a deliberate program for population replacement and cultural replacement.

    Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia enter NATO, Syria implodes, pro NATO coup in Turkey, Iran under siege, China under siege. Chance for the New World Order taking over the world - 90 %.

    So basically it will mean the destruction of Russia, its culture and people, and handing over the world to the Liberal World Order.

    Thus, whatever Putin may have done, which isn't much different than other countries elites, the country should not be destabilised over it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Hartnell

    Putin must be replaced by a more nationalistic and ruthless leader. It must be done ASAP. Russia needs a Franco. They should have done it in 2013.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Bashibuzuk

    What? A Franco? A short, hitch-pitched voice, fat-ass, chicken shaped, pin-head for a leader? Can you not think of someone more manly ffs!

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nice dreams.

    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more "passionarny" Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law). Navalny has been quite clear on his views about Donbass supporters.

    Then the racist liberals masquerading as nationalists will be imprisoned under a re-criminalized Article 282. Those who aren't will in any case be completely deplatformed and rendered even more impotent than they are today. I will derive some satisfaction from that, since even though these developments will be bad for for me too, they will be a vindication of my principle that stupidity needs to be brutally punished.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    And how would you ideal Russian statesman interact with the neighboring Ukrainian state? Or would you have him totally disregard and destroy Ukrainian statehood? Give old Putler some credit, he pointed out to George Bush that:


    You do understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territories is Eastern Europe, but the greater part is a gift from us. (Ты же понимаешь, Джордж, что Украина — это даже не государство! Что такое Украина? Часть ее территорий — это Восточная Европа, а часть, и значительная, подарена нами!)
     
  83. @Passer by
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If Russian liberals ever take over the country will probably implode. Either a civil war or a full take over. Then Crimea given up, Donbass given up, Osetia - Abhazia given up, Belarus given up, Kaliningrad given up, possibly Northen Caucasus given up, Kuril Islands given up, giving up nukes, a soft dismemberment of the country via various autonomies, and a deliberate program for population replacement and cultural replacement.

    Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia enter NATO, Syria implodes, pro NATO coup in Turkey, Iran under siege, China under siege. Chance for the New World Order taking over the world - 90 %.

    So basically it will mean the destruction of Russia, its culture and people, and handing over the world to the Liberal World Order.

    Thus, whatever Putin may have done, which isn't much different than other countries elites, the country should not be destabilised over it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Hartnell

    I dont think the Russian liberals would actually destroy Russia with population replacement. You see, what you have to understand is that Russian liberals are basically concerned about money. They want to have a Western quality of life.

    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house. Russian libs let alone the Russian population want all of that money to themselves and for their own economic development, not wasting billions on propping up outsiders based on humanitarian concerns like the West has.

    So nah, I cant see the horde descending on Russia anytime soon due to those concerns.

    As for giving parts of Russia away to appease the West, sure there are radical hard core libtards who would love to do that. But they are the minority. The majority along with the established military would not want to commit to such a route. Too much prestige along with no actual benefits.

    Honestly I think there will be something of a liberal push in Russia in the coming decades but not enough to fully globohomonise it.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Hartnell

    No, they will do those things under foreign orders, not because they like some of them. The decline of the West necessiates the destruction of Russia and grabbing as much as possible from it.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Hartnell


    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house.
     
    I do not think this is true. Russian liberals are at core Western cargo cultists, always have been, so the classical liberals of yesteryear are already getting outflanked by modern Wokespawn.

    E.g., telling recent example: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/illarionov-has-done-his-duty-he-can-now-go/

    Also no reason not to expect the same system of class status signaling by supporting refugees, Blacks, trannies, Black trannies, etc. that works in the West not to apply to Russia.

    It's not going to happen right off the bat, obviously, but the underlying trends will acquire an inexorable character.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  84. @Bashibuzuk
    @Passer by

    Putin must be replaced by a more nationalistic and ruthless leader. It must be done ASAP. Russia needs a Franco. They should have done it in 2013.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack

    What? A Franco? A short, hitch-pitched voice, fat-ass, chicken shaped, pin-head for a leader? Can you not think of someone more manly ffs!

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Levtraro

    He looked funny in his middle age but the Generalissimo was a methodical and unyielding kind of guy in rooting out Spain's leftists.

    Dr. Salazar in Portugal looked and sounded more conventional. Possibly a model for a politician of determined will who doesn't need to win a civil war but still wants to leave a lasting effect on their country.

    Replies: @Levtraro

  85. @Hartnell
    @Passer by

    I dont think the Russian liberals would actually destroy Russia with population replacement. You see, what you have to understand is that Russian liberals are basically concerned about money. They want to have a Western quality of life.

    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house. Russian libs let alone the Russian population want all of that money to themselves and for their own economic development, not wasting billions on propping up outsiders based on humanitarian concerns like the West has.

    So nah, I cant see the horde descending on Russia anytime soon due to those concerns.

    As for giving parts of Russia away to appease the West, sure there are radical hard core libtards who would love to do that. But they are the minority. The majority along with the established military would not want to commit to such a route. Too much prestige along with no actual benefits.

    Honestly I think there will be something of a liberal push in Russia in the coming decades but not enough to fully globohomonise it.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin

    No, they will do those things under foreign orders, not because they like some of them. The decline of the West necessiates the destruction of Russia and grabbing as much as possible from it.

  86. @Bashibuzuk
    @Passer by

    Putin must be replaced by a more nationalistic and ruthless leader. It must be done ASAP. Russia needs a Franco. They should have done it in 2013.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack

    Nice dreams.

    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more “passionarny” Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law). Navalny has been quite clear on his views about Donbass supporters.

    Then the racist liberals masquerading as nationalists will be imprisoned under a re-criminalized Article 282. Those who aren’t will in any case be completely deplatformed and rendered even more impotent than they are today. I will derive some satisfaction from that, since even though these developments will be bad for for me too, they will be a vindication of my principle that stupidity needs to be brutally punished.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    , @TheTotallyAnonymous
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more “passionarny” Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law).
     
    It's somewhat heartening to see that you've learned important lessons from what happened to Serbs in 1991-1995. Although it remains to be seen whether those lessons are understood widely enough amongst Russians ...
  87. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you know the numbers of police killings and police killed in Russia? In the United States the police has a somewhat justified paranoia of getting shot which results in them being very trigger happy. I don't think that situation really exists in Russia.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Gerard.Gerard, @Europe Europa

    Why is everything some annoying reverse question with you?

    In Ingushettia, Chechnya and Dagestan the police are regularly at risk of terrorist attacks and general banditry….. but their rate of killing these swine is far lower than any place in US to their civilians.

    Last year a police officer, in his young 20s asked some scumbag on the platform in the Moscow Metro for his documents ( can’t remember if central Asian or kavkaz) and got shot dead. If the same thing happened in America they would shoot dead 25 ethnics as a proportionate response. In Moscow there was no retribution.

    We have gone from an extremely high murder rate in Russia (many shootings obviously) to a much lower, even European levels in some regions…… and this has occurred without mass jailing and mass shootings from Police as would need to do in US for similar thing to occur.

  88. @Bashibuzuk
    @Passer by

    Putin must be replaced by a more nationalistic and ruthless leader. It must be done ASAP. Russia needs a Franco. They should have done it in 2013.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack

    And how would you ideal Russian statesman interact with the neighboring Ukrainian state? Or would you have him totally disregard and destroy Ukrainian statehood? Give old Putler some credit, he pointed out to George Bush that:

    You do understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territories is Eastern Europe, but the greater part is a gift from us. (Ты же понимаешь, Джордж, что Украина — это даже не государство! Что такое Украина? Часть ее территорий — это Восточная Европа, а часть, и значительная, подарена нами!)

  89. @Hartnell
    @Passer by

    I dont think the Russian liberals would actually destroy Russia with population replacement. You see, what you have to understand is that Russian liberals are basically concerned about money. They want to have a Western quality of life.

    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house. Russian libs let alone the Russian population want all of that money to themselves and for their own economic development, not wasting billions on propping up outsiders based on humanitarian concerns like the West has.

    So nah, I cant see the horde descending on Russia anytime soon due to those concerns.

    As for giving parts of Russia away to appease the West, sure there are radical hard core libtards who would love to do that. But they are the minority. The majority along with the established military would not want to commit to such a route. Too much prestige along with no actual benefits.

    Honestly I think there will be something of a liberal push in Russia in the coming decades but not enough to fully globohomonise it.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Anatoly Karlin

    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house.

    I do not think this is true. Russian liberals are at core Western cargo cultists, always have been, so the classical liberals of yesteryear are already getting outflanked by modern Wokespawn.

    E.g., telling recent example: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/illarionov-has-done-his-duty-he-can-now-go/

    Also no reason not to expect the same system of class status signaling by supporting refugees, Blacks, trannies, Black trannies, etc. that works in the West not to apply to Russia.

    It’s not going to happen right off the bat, obviously, but the underlying trends will acquire an inexorable character.

    • Agree: Passer by
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin


    liberals are at core Western cargo
     
    Are you talking about normal middle class people, or a neoliberal elite ideologues like Chubais? Middle class generally, try to copy the values of the classes that are above them.

    Petite bourgeoisie is defined by seeking, while intrinsically never being able to fulfil, the preferences set by the haute bourgeoisie, which in turn emulates the aristocracy. And the aristocracy, in the present formation in Russia is known primarily for its aspiration recreating the lifestyle of Sean Combs and T-Pain.

    Ruling class in Russia, whether from a private sector, or managers of state owned defense corporations, can be on Instagram writing "I'm on a boat in Miami with 10 bottles of Cristal." But the problem is the middle class people that enjoy Netflix series.

    Navalny is a crazy narcissist, who perhaps wants to present himself as a kind of self-sacrificing heroic figure, but even he still confirms in some ways to a representative of this class pattern. His children were in the Russian educational system, unlike children of officials which are schooled abroad. However, his daughter was in one of the few schools in all Russia that provides "international baccalaureate" program, i.e. Navalny was doing a cheap middle class way to try to copy the education style of children of economically higher classes of postsoviet countries, that are studying the same "international baccalaureate" curriculum at schools in London and Switzerland.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  90. A couple of things regarding this ‘brave warrior form the Caucasus’

    It is the same bravery as displayed by the guy who ‘eate some lead’ in this vid.

    Several more points about this guy. Even professional fighters or ‘serious amateurs’ sometimes brake or crack bones while punching. Of course it is possible to smash a brick or wooden plank by striking it with a fist but those who perform such usually have a lot of practice and do so with carefully aimed and rehearsed blows.

    Now this guy throws punches at a policeman wearing a helmet with facial protection as well as body armour. Here is a little practical experiment: clench your fist, swing your arm and hit a hard surface. Once the pain subsides try to write about your experience – the word ‘try’ is here not by chance because you will be lucky if you still can type.

    The fact that the ‘brave warrior form the Caucasus’ is not wincing in pain after landing the first punch on the ‘cop in armour’ shows that he was very likely as high as a kite. He went down after getting hit with a baton to the head – in such case it is lights out drugs or not.

    • Replies: @4Dchessmaster
    @maz10

    LMAO, why is everybody overanalyzing this aggressive North Caucasian guy from the protest? Sure, he looks like he can handle himself quite well, but that does not mean he is Khabib 2.0. There is the other side that also demonizes him excessively, which is not necessary. He is just a bored person who decided that throwing punches at cops was a good pressure release for his pent up anger. He is also quite stupid for sticking up for a loser like Navalny who has led "stop feeding the Caucasus" protests and has called North Caucasians "roaches." It is quite bizarre how both Russian and Western media have zeroed in on a guy who behaves no differently than any other ethnic group in any country in the world.

  91. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have a few problems with Pynia, none of which has anything to do with democracy or liberalism.

    1) Pynia is a toxic byproduct of the Brezhnevian stagnation, he is from the generation that betrayed their fatherland and led the generation of their children (that would be our generation) to much unnecessary suffering and abasement.

    2) Pynia is a creature of Sobchak, Chubais and Berezovsky (who later came to regret helping him rise to power). He is a Yeltsin appointee and continued to demonstrate loyalty and respect to Bor'ka alkash even after the alcoholic's demise.

    3) Pynia might have been a great statesman, a Franco or Napoleon to the humiliated Russia of the 90ies, but he preferred enriching himself and his cronies from Ozero Cooperative.

    4) Pynia employs and promotes to the highest positions the killers of 1993 (Shoigu). Therefore the blood of Supreme Soviet supporters is also on his hands.

    5) Pynia backed down and peed his pants in front of Burkhalter in 2014. He might have saved the Russian speaking Novorossia folks, instead he betrayed them and made their life a hell on earth.

    6) Pynia is Lubavitcher's kissing buddy and Netanyahu's good friend.

    He is not the Leader Russia needs, he never was and he never will be. He was appointed to preside upon Russian weakening and decline and his halfhearted attempts at "standing up from our knees " have only lead to Russia crouching.

    I don't care for a second about Navalny staying alive or dying (especially since he indirectly contrbuted to Tesak's death), but I wish with all my heart to see all the kleptocratic Russian elites stripped of their wealth and marched into some beautiful and all natural Magadan working camp.

    Krylov was right: "it is time to finish this strange system "...

    Replies: @Simpleguest

    Krylov was right: “it is time to finish this strange system “…

    What is strange to me is that you, in your earlier comments, lamented the revolutionary dismantling of the then existing social orders (and the states) that took place not once but twice, first in 1917 and then again in 1991.

    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible. This is a reasonable approach and everyone would agree with that.

    PS. Your nick, Bashibuzuk, eventually become a synonym for the whole rotting Ottoman empire.
    Even today, people in some places, shake their heads and simply say “a Bashibuzuk” when they are confronted with an undisciplined and unruly mob, or want to describe something that is unable to function in any orderly manner.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Simpleguest


    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible.
     
    Absolutely. This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.

    Otherwise Russia would end up exactly as Ottoman Empire did. It will rot and be divided between China and Atlanticist West.

    I have no soft spot for Navalny, I have written that Pevchikh is most probably an MI-6 asset and I do not think Putin ordered an assassination attempt against Navalny (although now that I know that they were filming his "secret palace " this summer, I start to wonder).

    What I want is a strong enough Russia that would withstand the fall of the West and the rise of the Sinosphere. Putin's Russia is not strong enough because it is ruled by a kleptocracy.

    Simple, no?

    Replies: @Simpleguest

  92. @Passer by
    @Levtraro

    If you check my long term comments, you would know that it isn't a "hope", lol. If i was you, i would not ask useless comments about someone but simply check their comments to see what their views are. Which are quite, quite pro-russian.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    I checked some of your previous posts. Perhaps you are one of those Russians that have a bleak view of their own country. If I were Russian I would be proud and positive about my country. Honestly, looking into what has happened in the world during my adult lifetime, two major achievements stand out: fast Russian recovery after the collapse of the USSR and the 90s, and lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in China.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    @Levtraro

    I'm not russian, but i'm from Eastern Europe and have simpathies for that country. Quite similar culture, etc.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Levtraro

    What China has done in the last 30 years just underscores how badly Russia has failed. The idea that Russia made a "fast recovery" is ridiculous. Russia lags far behind the USSR in education, health care, military tech and even basic innovation in its position relative to the world. The current Russian regime is just a dig and deliver economy stripping off Russia's natural resources for the benefit of a small elite and enough Muscovites to preserve stability. Any time I go to a trade fair I am embarassed for Russia - Turkey, Poland, and the Czechs have all made great strides and have developed competitive manufacturing and service companies in a variety of industries. Russia can make decent weapons, has some software skills, and that's about it. Even India and Brazil make Russia look backward these days. Позор indeed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Philip Owen

  93. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nice dreams.

    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more "passionarny" Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law). Navalny has been quite clear on his views about Donbass supporters.

    Then the racist liberals masquerading as nationalists will be imprisoned under a re-criminalized Article 282. Those who aren't will in any case be completely deplatformed and rendered even more impotent than they are today. I will derive some satisfaction from that, since even though these developments will be bad for for me too, they will be a vindication of my principle that stupidity needs to be brutally punished.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    stupidity needs to be brutally punished

    Ok so that’s the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not “Russian Reaction” advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it’s too embarrassing…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's not that it's embarrassing, it's that I have better things to do than respond to this primitive gaslighting, sorry.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    , @EldnahYm
    @Bashibuzuk


    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    If done properly, as in Asia, and people complied, COVID restrictions would indeed be justified. Justified by the principle that they are effective. Unfortunately the sub-human health authorities never even tried to prevent the pandemic, instead they went [late] for "flattening the curve" and other nonsense which only delays the spread, and ensures we have a large number of strains.

    Unfortunately rightoids simply cannot distinguish between an effective and an ineffective response. So they flail about criticizing the government responses with exactly the wrong reasons, and the response of libtards inevitably leads to a defense of the ineffective government response, even when that's not the intention. Most perversely, it is the health authorities themselves who are some of main beneficiaries from this state of affairs. Almost no one is blaming them, even though they are the ones most responsible for both the economic downturn and the COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Znzn

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    OK, I'll humor you. Come to think of it, my "ideology", such as it is, is opposition to morons of all stripes.


    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).
     
    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech's suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it. Maybe - maybe not, it did end up a damp squib after all. Bannon at any rate was more interested in posting Hunter's dick picks as opposed to anything actually damning.

    https://i.redd.it/8vutbksrbnv51.jpg

    Moreover, conservatoids spent their four years in power defending the hallowed right of companies like twitter to ban whomever they want off their platforms (muh free markets). It is always good when stupidity is punished.

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”
     
    Cynical gaslighting. I said the aesthetics were very good and celebrated them.

    Unfortunately, they are also idiots who believe in stupid things, and their lives are going to get ruined on that account while Trump and his gaggle of grifters skunk away. One would think there would be more appropriate targets for your pent up rage, but apparently not.

    Trust the plan!

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.
     
    In the real world, it is the only choice.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    What I actually said (as opposed to what you claim I said): Smart people did masks, centralized quarantines, travel restrictions. Subhuman morons got (many more) restrictions because they are subhuman morons.

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.
     
    Swinging fists at armored policemen and ending up in jail for a few years does indeed sound pretty foolish to me.

    At least the Qanoners didn't do it in service of a CIA gay op.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.
     
    I will indeed enjoy seeing the minority of Russian nationalists moronic enough to serve as useful idiots for the Washington Obkom crushed in the unlikely event that that Putin actually is overthrown and replaced by some Western stooge. I also endorse Stalin's purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what. It is always good when stupidity and treason are punished, regardless of the vessel through which Gnon sees fit to exact his vengeance. За что боролись на то и напоролись.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.
     
    * citation needed *

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.
     
    I don't tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @Gerard-Mandela, @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    , @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't know, I think it's about 50% sincere and 50% trolling for views/comments (given the ideological bent this platform the great Ron Unz has so generously provided us), anyway, it was obviously too much for a lot of the old regular Russian commenters. About a year or two/three [?] ago Glossy and Andrei Martyanov left a spray of extremely bitter (albeit highly amusing) vitriol before permanently departing here, I think the only TRUE AND HONEST Russian patriot left here is Gerard.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    One other thing, unlike a mainstream media outlet or someone working as a cog in one, as a relatively small private blog, Akarlin doesn't feel hindered in pointing out that the 'right' (increasingly dated as these terms are) is as full of imbeciles and retards as the 'left', or simply making highly pessimistic predictions etc. If you want to see an effective propaganda cheerleader for rightoids that doesn't totally insult it's readers, you can always go to The Daily Stormer. Or Nikolai Starikov, I guess.
    Although the level of schadenfreude he takes in watching his supposed ideological fellow travellers suffer is pretty suspect, regardless of how avidly Putin studies this blog, I doubt he'll ever have direct say in Russian policy, so it's ultimately whatever.
    I mostly just come here for the comments, since most of the rest of this site is full of the 'rightoid imbeciles' Akarlin enjoys mocking so much of late. Especially Sailer's blog... I still don't know why that tedious guy ever got so popular.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

  94. @Levtraro
    @Passer by

    I checked some of your previous posts. Perhaps you are one of those Russians that have a bleak view of their own country. If I were Russian I would be proud and positive about my country. Honestly, looking into what has happened in the world during my adult lifetime, two major achievements stand out: fast Russian recovery after the collapse of the USSR and the 90s, and lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in China.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Peter Akuleyev

    I’m not russian, but i’m from Eastern Europe and have simpathies for that country. Quite similar culture, etc.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Passer by

    Noted. I am not Russian either but I have many Russian friends. The best parties I have ever attended were in Russian houses. That counts for something, in my book.

  95. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    It’s not that it’s embarrassing, it’s that I have better things to do than respond to this primitive gaslighting, sorry.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    LOL

    Aren't these your own opinions expressed in the several threads and comments you posted in the last few months?

    В общем вовремя предать - это не предать, а предвидеть?

    И кстати слив засчитан...

    😄😄😄

    Here, another song that you might like:

    https://youtu.be/xZmzcmf1GYA

    Jérôme Reuter has described what's coming next for the "stupid rightoids" such as myself. Play it when you will "drink our tears". But remember: "Не в силе Бог, а в правде"...

    🙂

    Replies: @Svevlad

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Why "primitive gaslighting"? Bashibuzuk has assembled a list of interesting, if not questionable stances of yours and is only requesting clarity in order to make sure he understands your current opinions on certain issues that may have evolved and changed from those that you've held in the past. He seems to have done his homework, and is an honest commentator here?...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  96. @Levtraro
    @Bashibuzuk

    What? A Franco? A short, hitch-pitched voice, fat-ass, chicken shaped, pin-head for a leader? Can you not think of someone more manly ffs!

    Replies: @Coconuts

    He looked funny in his middle age but the Generalissimo was a methodical and unyielding kind of guy in rooting out Spain’s leftists.

    Dr. Salazar in Portugal looked and sounded more conventional. Possibly a model for a politician of determined will who doesn’t need to win a civil war but still wants to leave a lasting effect on their country.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @Coconuts

    I get it now, this Bashibuzuk is some kind of agitated moslem, that's why he likes Franco and admires the Chechen cretin arrested in Russia in the mini protests. As to your point about Franco "rooting out" Spain's leftists, yeah right, that's why they came in full force after the satrap succumbed to the heavy weight of his ass, with three governments populated by leftists, including the present one.

  97. @Simpleguest
    @Bashibuzuk


    Krylov was right: “it is time to finish this strange system “…
     
    What is strange to me is that you, in your earlier comments, lamented the revolutionary dismantling of the then existing social orders (and the states) that took place not once but twice, first in 1917 and then again in 1991.

    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible. This is a reasonable approach and everyone would agree with that.

    PS. Your nick, Bashibuzuk, eventually become a synonym for the whole rotting Ottoman empire.
    Even today, people in some places, shake their heads and simply say "a Bashibuzuk" when they are confronted with an undisciplined and unruly mob, or want to describe something that is unable to function in any orderly manner.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible.

    Absolutely. This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.

    Otherwise Russia would end up exactly as Ottoman Empire did. It will rot and be divided between China and Atlanticist West.

    I have no soft spot for Navalny, I have written that Pevchikh is most probably an MI-6 asset and I do not think Putin ordered an assassination attempt against Navalny (although now that I know that they were filming his “secret palace ” this summer, I start to wonder).

    What I want is a strong enough Russia that would withstand the fall of the West and the rise of the Sinosphere. Putin’s Russia is not strong enough because it is ruled by a kleptocracy.

    Simple, no?

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
    @Bashibuzuk


    This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.
    Simple, no?
     
    Well, this needs to be legitimate i.e. wish of the majority of the people.
    Voting fraud allegations aside, I don't have the impression that anyone can defeat Putin if he runs for one more term.
    Anyway, I believe that Putin can be ruthless and nationalistic if the situation calls for it.

    You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.
    I was under the impression that you, in your zest, were advocating a violent overthrow of the current, legitimate president. I wanted to respond to that only.

    Respect for the will of the majority is the cornerstone of the Western efficiency.
    The will of the majority is respected and dutifully obeyed even if it's a miniscule 0.2% majority.

    Brexit, for example, a monumental historic decision, won with only 4% majority if I am not mistaken. And Brexit it shall be.

    Everything can be fixed if you stick together.
    So simple, yes.

    Replies: @sher singh

  98. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's not that it's embarrassing, it's that I have better things to do than respond to this primitive gaslighting, sorry.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    LOL

    Aren’t these your own opinions expressed in the several threads and comments you posted in the last few months?

    В общем вовремя предать – это не предать, а предвидеть?

    И кстати слив засчитан…

    😄😄😄

    Here, another song that you might like:

    Jérôme Reuter has described what’s coming next for the “stupid rightoids” such as myself. Play it when you will “drink our tears”. But remember: “Не в силе Бог, а в правде”…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well, the man said that the men he supported turned out to be imbeciles, therefore they deserve getting fucked, so the next generation learns not to be imbeciles.

    Simple as.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  99. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's not that it's embarrassing, it's that I have better things to do than respond to this primitive gaslighting, sorry.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    Why “primitive gaslighting”? Bashibuzuk has assembled a list of interesting, if not questionable stances of yours and is only requesting clarity in order to make sure he understands your current opinions on certain issues that may have evolved and changed from those that you’ve held in the past. He seems to have done his homework, and is an honest commentator here?…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    He has major difficulties with distinguishing fact from opinion. But no worries, you are both in a solid majority in that respect:

    https://twitter.com/hua_xiaoxiao/status/1353156965652901893

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

  100. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Why "primitive gaslighting"? Bashibuzuk has assembled a list of interesting, if not questionable stances of yours and is only requesting clarity in order to make sure he understands your current opinions on certain issues that may have evolved and changed from those that you've held in the past. He seems to have done his homework, and is an honest commentator here?...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    He has major difficulties with distinguishing fact from opinion. But no worries, you are both in a solid majority in that respect:

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly, you know that you look too Jewish to ever become Chinese.

    Anyway, I'm having so much fun on your blog that I most probably will send you these 500 € that we discussed on the other thread. BTW, perhaps you might also ask how much Kholmogorov would charge for writing and publishing an Orthodox Accelerationist Putinist manifesto of sorts. I am sure he is multifaceted enough to be able to concoct something plausible along these lines. I would gladly pay the sum just for the pleasure of reading his hypocritical takes on such an absurd topic.

    LOL.

    😄

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What opinions of mine bother you?

  101. @Coconuts
    @Levtraro

    He looked funny in his middle age but the Generalissimo was a methodical and unyielding kind of guy in rooting out Spain's leftists.

    Dr. Salazar in Portugal looked and sounded more conventional. Possibly a model for a politician of determined will who doesn't need to win a civil war but still wants to leave a lasting effect on their country.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    I get it now, this Bashibuzuk is some kind of agitated moslem, that’s why he likes Franco and admires the Chechen cretin arrested in Russia in the mini protests. As to your point about Franco “rooting out” Spain’s leftists, yeah right, that’s why they came in full force after the satrap succumbed to the heavy weight of his ass, with three governments populated by leftists, including the present one.

  102. @maz10
    A couple of things regarding this ‘brave warrior form the Caucasus’

    It is the same bravery as displayed by the guy who ‘eate some lead’ in this vid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M23wVhGkNA


    Several more points about this guy. Even professional fighters or ‘serious amateurs’ sometimes brake or crack bones while punching. Of course it is possible to smash a brick or wooden plank by striking it with a fist but those who perform such usually have a lot of practice and do so with carefully aimed and rehearsed blows.

    Now this guy throws punches at a policeman wearing a helmet with facial protection as well as body armour. Here is a little practical experiment: clench your fist, swing your arm and hit a hard surface. Once the pain subsides try to write about your experience – the word ‘try’ is here not by chance because you will be lucky if you still can type.

    The fact that the ‘brave warrior form the Caucasus’ is not wincing in pain after landing the first punch on the ‘cop in armour’ shows that he was very likely as high as a kite. He went down after getting hit with a baton to the head - in such case it is lights out drugs or not.

    Replies: @4Dchessmaster

    LMAO, why is everybody overanalyzing this aggressive North Caucasian guy from the protest? Sure, he looks like he can handle himself quite well, but that does not mean he is Khabib 2.0. There is the other side that also demonizes him excessively, which is not necessary. He is just a bored person who decided that throwing punches at cops was a good pressure release for his pent up anger. He is also quite stupid for sticking up for a loser like Navalny who has led “stop feeding the Caucasus” protests and has called North Caucasians “roaches.” It is quite bizarre how both Russian and Western media have zeroed in on a guy who behaves no differently than any other ethnic group in any country in the world.

  103. @Levtraro
    @Passer by

    I checked some of your previous posts. Perhaps you are one of those Russians that have a bleak view of their own country. If I were Russian I would be proud and positive about my country. Honestly, looking into what has happened in the world during my adult lifetime, two major achievements stand out: fast Russian recovery after the collapse of the USSR and the 90s, and lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in China.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Peter Akuleyev

    What China has done in the last 30 years just underscores how badly Russia has failed. The idea that Russia made a “fast recovery” is ridiculous. Russia lags far behind the USSR in education, health care, military tech and even basic innovation in its position relative to the world. The current Russian regime is just a dig and deliver economy stripping off Russia’s natural resources for the benefit of a small elite and enough Muscovites to preserve stability. Any time I go to a trade fair I am embarassed for Russia – Turkey, Poland, and the Czechs have all made great strides and have developed competitive manufacturing and service companies in a variety of industries. Russia can make decent weapons, has some software skills, and that’s about it. Even India and Brazil make Russia look backward these days. Позор indeed.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Typical opinion of a Yeltsin-era emigrant whom the world (and Russia in a particular) has passed by in his late sovok/1990s bubble.

    Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous, @Verymuchalive

    , @Levtraro
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Well, that's your opinion, and you got a bit carried away with the Brazil and India part at the end. I evaluate highly that Russia could turn direction so swiftly and energetically after the 90s, getting rid of powerful parasites and bad faith advisors, becoming independent in the international arena, conservative in values, and proactive to defend their interests, even offering refuge to the most wanted enemy of the most powerful State, and still holding the power to stop a major war because of MAD. In my assessment all of that was a major achievement, it could totally not have happened and the country would be a vassal state.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Russia could do better if it was less corporatist. (Putin is way beyond De Gaulle now). The genuine revival in crop production is being undermined by the need to artificially lower grain prices for the new meat and dairy processing plants. It is not however a complete disaster and Russia is far better than the late USSR in terms of delivering a liveable life to its citizens.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  104. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Levtraro

    What China has done in the last 30 years just underscores how badly Russia has failed. The idea that Russia made a "fast recovery" is ridiculous. Russia lags far behind the USSR in education, health care, military tech and even basic innovation in its position relative to the world. The current Russian regime is just a dig and deliver economy stripping off Russia's natural resources for the benefit of a small elite and enough Muscovites to preserve stability. Any time I go to a trade fair I am embarassed for Russia - Turkey, Poland, and the Czechs have all made great strides and have developed competitive manufacturing and service companies in a variety of industries. Russia can make decent weapons, has some software skills, and that's about it. Even India and Brazil make Russia look backward these days. Позор indeed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Philip Owen

    Typical opinion of a Yeltsin-era emigrant whom the world (and Russia in a particular) has passed by in his late sovok/1990s bubble.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That would explain why his and Bahibuzuk's takes and opinions are mostly so cucked, worthless and just bad.

    I've been struggling to understand wtf is wrong with them for quite some time anyway ...

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I must agree with you on this one. I have met these people. They're still trapped in 1995 or 1990. Often they don't seem to realise how much weaker America is than then. All very last millenium.

  105. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you know the numbers of police killings and police killed in Russia? In the United States the police has a somewhat justified paranoia of getting shot which results in them being very trigger happy. I don't think that situation really exists in Russia.

    Replies: @Passer by, @Gerard.Gerard, @Europe Europa

    I think in more “authoritarian” countries individual police officers tend to have less rights and personal agency to make decisions. It surprised me to learn that in China the average police officer doesn’t even carry a gun, like in the UK (something very unusual for a Western country). I think the UK leans more towards the “authoritarian” side of things even though most British people have this delusion of their country being some bastion of freedom, the home of the “Magna Carta” and all that.

    This is presumably because the Chinese government does not want to give individual officers the right and confidence to make their own independent judgements on a given situation, which having their own personal sidearm would be likely to.

  106. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    He has major difficulties with distinguishing fact from opinion. But no worries, you are both in a solid majority in that respect:

    https://twitter.com/hua_xiaoxiao/status/1353156965652901893

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    Anatoly, you know that you look too Jewish to ever become Chinese.

    Anyway, I’m having so much fun on your blog that I most probably will send you these 500 € that we discussed on the other thread. BTW, perhaps you might also ask how much Kholmogorov would charge for writing and publishing an Orthodox Accelerationist Putinist manifesto of sorts. I am sure he is multifaceted enough to be able to concoct something plausible along these lines. I would gladly pay the sum just for the pleasure of reading his hypocritical takes on such an absurd topic.

    LOL.

    😄

  107. @Levtraro
    @AnonfromTN

    How about monetizing his Youpube following? With million views and Youpube's endorsement he should get some kind of income.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    How about monetizing his Youpube following? With million views and Youpube’s endorsement he should get some kind of income.

    Youtube stats are as fake as the 2020 elections. If the advertisers pay money based on these fakes, they are even dumber than I think.

  108. The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch.

    As for the protests, I think we can all agree that liberals and Navalny won’t be in power after putlet. Navalny’s main function is to weaken the regime. I disagree with AK that putlet’s corruption is inevitable. He brings up examples such as Hungary, but Sweden’s population is similar and while Löfven is a clown, he is definitely not corrupt. Germany’s economy is almost twice the size of Russia’s and I don’t think even the most hostile anti-Merkel shills would call her corrupt.

    The more interesting question is which constellation of oligarchs and power brokers inside Russia promote Navalny and what’s their endgame. There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny’s racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take. In this view, Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office. I’m lukewarm on the theory, but I give some respect to Bryan since he lives in Russia and isn’t a pro-Western shill.

    Either way, I concur with the consensus here that Russia’s transition moment will make it vulnerable, though I expect putlet to play a behind the scenes role much like Deng Xiaoping did after leaving office. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the wily manlet even once he vacates his formal positions.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    @Thulean Friend


    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch
     
    There is nothing passive about it. He straight up puts offensive labels on people, and it's his preferred method of debating. Called me a "MAGA cultist" among other things.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

    , @Shortsword
    @Thulean Friend


    There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny’s racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take.
     
    There aren't any concerns about that. It's just some Russians (and people that are pro-Russian) trying convince Westerners that Navalny is racist to "cancel" him. But there are no fair rules to this game so nothing will come of it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jayce

    , @Svevlad
    @Thulean Friend

    The instant I heard that Navalny started out as a nationalist and is now a lib I know he's just Russian Vučić except with a more lib rhetoric (Vučić talks all nationalist, but insufferably melodramatic and pathetic). No principles he just wants power and will do what his tardwranglers (westoid embassies) tell him to do.

    On the other hand I don't think that tactic can work. Russia is just too big and powerful automatically. Power "corrupts" (more like draws corrupt people to it), and he could perhaps quickly go rogue and basically become Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Shortsword

    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    I think most bloggers either don't read and engage with comments, or if they do, they often ban commentators they disagree with. I'm sure I would get banned pretty soon if I posted anything controversial on other political blogs.

    Whereas I posted on AK's blog/forum for many years, and he has never insulted me or deleted a comment, let alone banned me.

    So I think he is comparatively tolerant and non-authoritarian as a host. I remember there was somekind of temporary banning of Gerard a couple years ago, which most of us were sad about at the time; but it seems Karlin knows that was mistake and reversed his decision as Gerard is back now.


    Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office
     
    He doesn't have much change to go into any political office, anytime soon. But he is definitely a very talented YouTuber, if he can ever overcome his legal troubles and return to the desk camera.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  109. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    He has major difficulties with distinguishing fact from opinion. But no worries, you are both in a solid majority in that respect:

    https://twitter.com/hua_xiaoxiao/status/1353156965652901893

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

    What opinions of mine bother you?

  110. @Bashibuzuk
    @Europe Europa

    They have been told to not exaggerate. But there were a couple occasions when they didn't restrain themselves. Like the video where an antiriot cop kicks an old woman because she asks why the young man they were escorting was arrested and where the cops were taking him. But overall they did their job without too much brutality. Same thing from the protesters' side, a couple of excesses, but overall they were well behaved. Especially when you compare with France or USA.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Like the video where an antiriot cop kicks an old woman because she asks why the young man they were escorting was arrested and where the cops were taking him.

    They later apologized to that woman. Have you ever heard of French police apologizing to gilets jaunes? I guess that’s the difference between “dictatorship” and “democracy”.

  111. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Typical opinion of a Yeltsin-era emigrant whom the world (and Russia in a particular) has passed by in his late sovok/1990s bubble.

    Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous, @Verymuchalive

    That would explain why his and Bahibuzuk’s takes and opinions are mostly so cucked, worthless and just bad.

    I’ve been struggling to understand wtf is wrong with them for quite some time anyway …

  112. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nice dreams.

    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more "passionarny" Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law). Navalny has been quite clear on his views about Donbass supporters.

    Then the racist liberals masquerading as nationalists will be imprisoned under a re-criminalized Article 282. Those who aren't will in any case be completely deplatformed and rendered even more impotent than they are today. I will derive some satisfaction from that, since even though these developments will be bad for for me too, they will be a vindication of my principle that stupidity needs to be brutally punished.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    The reality is that that the Ukrainians will be given the green light to commence with Operation Storm, the more “passionarny” Russian nationalists will be killed there or imprisoned on coming back to Russia (anti-mercenaries law).

    It’s somewhat heartening to see that you’ve learned important lessons from what happened to Serbs in 1991-1995. Although it remains to be seen whether those lessons are understood widely enough amongst Russians …

  113. @Thulean Friend
    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch.

    As for the protests, I think we can all agree that liberals and Navalny won't be in power after putlet. Navalny's main function is to weaken the regime. I disagree with AK that putlet's corruption is inevitable. He brings up examples such as Hungary, but Sweden's population is similar and while Löfven is a clown, he is definitely not corrupt. Germany's economy is almost twice the size of Russia's and I don't think even the most hostile anti-Merkel shills would call her corrupt.

    The more interesting question is which constellation of oligarchs and power brokers inside Russia promote Navalny and what's their endgame. There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny's racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take. In this view, Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office. I'm lukewarm on the theory, but I give some respect to Bryan since he lives in Russia and isn't a pro-Western shill.

    Either way, I concur with the consensus here that Russia's transition moment will make it vulnerable, though I expect putlet to play a behind the scenes role much like Deng Xiaoping did after leaving office. I don't think we've seen the last of the wily manlet even once he vacates his formal positions.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Shortsword, @Svevlad, @Dmitry

    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch

    There is nothing passive about it. He straight up puts offensive labels on people, and it’s his preferred method of debating. Called me a “MAGA cultist” among other things.

    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
    @Felix Keverich


    He straight up puts offensive labels on people, and it's his preferred method of debating
     
    I completely agree. It's not right. Karlin's a disgrace in how he conducts himself on here.

    He's rude. He's inconsiderate. Frequently vulgar. A master of long-phrased insults. He doesn't deserve his own blog.

  114. @Thulean Friend
    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch.

    As for the protests, I think we can all agree that liberals and Navalny won't be in power after putlet. Navalny's main function is to weaken the regime. I disagree with AK that putlet's corruption is inevitable. He brings up examples such as Hungary, but Sweden's population is similar and while Löfven is a clown, he is definitely not corrupt. Germany's economy is almost twice the size of Russia's and I don't think even the most hostile anti-Merkel shills would call her corrupt.

    The more interesting question is which constellation of oligarchs and power brokers inside Russia promote Navalny and what's their endgame. There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny's racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take. In this view, Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office. I'm lukewarm on the theory, but I give some respect to Bryan since he lives in Russia and isn't a pro-Western shill.

    Either way, I concur with the consensus here that Russia's transition moment will make it vulnerable, though I expect putlet to play a behind the scenes role much like Deng Xiaoping did after leaving office. I don't think we've seen the last of the wily manlet even once he vacates his formal positions.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Shortsword, @Svevlad, @Dmitry

    There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny’s racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take.

    There aren’t any concerns about that. It’s just some Russians (and people that are pro-Russian) trying convince Westerners that Navalny is racist to “cancel” him. But there are no fair rules to this game so nothing will come of it.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Shortsword

    When he was starting his political career he made some xenophobic comments:

    https://youtu.be/2GGFVOY6_r0

    As posted by Olivier1973 on another thread.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    , @Jayce
    @Shortsword

    There's one popular figure in particular that really continues to push the limp "Navalny the ultranationalist gun nut" line year after year.

  115. @Anatoly Karlin
    @cortesar

    The Qanoners who stormed the Capitol were courageous.

    They were morons too, TBF. But they were at least doing it for a righteous cause, trying to "take their country back," whereas this Islamist is just a useful idiot.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @cortesar

    I have clearly stated that I look at the fight outside of the contest of the particular demonstration but in the context of a man ready to fight when when odds are stacked against him with an emphasis of the total lack of this kind of men in West when such kind of man is exactly what is needed (not just another futile analysis of one kind or another)
    The fact that he is a Dagestanee or a Chechen is irrelevant in this context

    As Mahatma Gandhi once said

    “Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live”

  116. @Shortsword
    @Thulean Friend


    There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny’s racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take.
     
    There aren't any concerns about that. It's just some Russians (and people that are pro-Russian) trying convince Westerners that Navalny is racist to "cancel" him. But there are no fair rules to this game so nothing will come of it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jayce

    When he was starting his political career he made some xenophobic comments:

    As posted by Olivier1973 on another thread.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Bashibuzuk

    Navalny doesn't have any principles. For the West that's a good thing.

  117. @Bashibuzuk
    @Shortsword

    When he was starting his political career he made some xenophobic comments:

    https://youtu.be/2GGFVOY6_r0

    As posted by Olivier1973 on another thread.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Navalny doesn’t have any principles. For the West that’s a good thing.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  118. I’m of two minds of public demonstrations. Crowd size is important but not crucial. It is what the mob is prepared to do and what the authorities do in reaction that matters.

    As a kid I saw massive protests against the war in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands of people marched on the Pentagon but it was mostly a ‘cheap date’ where young men and women could gather and admire each other.If 250,000 people came to ‘protest’ perhaps only a thousand or two would actually be drafted and sent to fight the war. Other than that life was pretty good in the USA and as Nixon ended the draft and American participation in the war the protests fizzled out.

    OTOH a few hundred negroes, marching across the Edmund Pettus bridge got into a confrontation with Alabama law enforcement in 1965 and one of the marchers was shot and killed. The incident made Martin Luther King an American superstar.

    Russian law enforcement should be on tenterhooks over these protests and not give the demonstrators oxygen. If Navalny had no real support, as I suspect, the protests will evaporate.
    Normal people do not want people with horned helmets and face paint as leaders.

  119. @Passer by
    @Shortsword

    I have the feeling that there will be more things popping up as Navalny has connections with all the necessary spooks.

    The context - look at the corrupt, unfaitful Putin and his illegitimate children living in luxury, vs the poor russian population - it is a strong context too.

    Make no mistake, an attack has started on Putin and Russia. Just in time for Biden's Presidency to escalate further the hybrid war against Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Soloview

    Two things: One, Navalny bears watching, if for no other reason that he has publicly connected himself to the likes of Bellingcat. Two, it would be silly to overreact to his provocations which would only escalate the US-led psy-ops and may lead to the growth of his profile internationally.

  120. @Felix Keverich
    @Thulean Friend


    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch
     
    There is nothing passive about it. He straight up puts offensive labels on people, and it's his preferred method of debating. Called me a "MAGA cultist" among other things.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

    He straight up puts offensive labels on people, and it’s his preferred method of debating

    I completely agree. It’s not right. Karlin’s a disgrace in how he conducts himself on here.

    He’s rude. He’s inconsiderate. Frequently vulgar. A master of long-phrased insults. He doesn’t deserve his own blog.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  121. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    LOL

    Aren't these your own opinions expressed in the several threads and comments you posted in the last few months?

    В общем вовремя предать - это не предать, а предвидеть?

    И кстати слив засчитан...

    😄😄😄

    Here, another song that you might like:

    https://youtu.be/xZmzcmf1GYA

    Jérôme Reuter has described what's coming next for the "stupid rightoids" such as myself. Play it when you will "drink our tears". But remember: "Не в силе Бог, а в правде"...

    🙂

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Well, the man said that the men he supported turned out to be imbeciles, therefore they deserve getting fucked, so the next generation learns not to be imbeciles.

    Simple as.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Svevlad

    What next generation? The one who will spend their days online in VR and receive MMT UBI ? Don't think it's gonna be a generation of geniuses...

    Replies: @Svevlad

  122. @Thulean Friend
    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch.

    As for the protests, I think we can all agree that liberals and Navalny won't be in power after putlet. Navalny's main function is to weaken the regime. I disagree with AK that putlet's corruption is inevitable. He brings up examples such as Hungary, but Sweden's population is similar and while Löfven is a clown, he is definitely not corrupt. Germany's economy is almost twice the size of Russia's and I don't think even the most hostile anti-Merkel shills would call her corrupt.

    The more interesting question is which constellation of oligarchs and power brokers inside Russia promote Navalny and what's their endgame. There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny's racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take. In this view, Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office. I'm lukewarm on the theory, but I give some respect to Bryan since he lives in Russia and isn't a pro-Western shill.

    Either way, I concur with the consensus here that Russia's transition moment will make it vulnerable, though I expect putlet to play a behind the scenes role much like Deng Xiaoping did after leaving office. I don't think we've seen the last of the wily manlet even once he vacates his formal positions.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Shortsword, @Svevlad, @Dmitry

    The instant I heard that Navalny started out as a nationalist and is now a lib I know he’s just Russian Vučić except with a more lib rhetoric (Vučić talks all nationalist, but insufferably melodramatic and pathetic). No principles he just wants power and will do what his tardwranglers (westoid embassies) tell him to do.

    On the other hand I don’t think that tactic can work. Russia is just too big and powerful automatically. Power “corrupts” (more like draws corrupt people to it), and he could perhaps quickly go rogue and basically become Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Svevlad

    Probably. The question is - how much will Russia lose during the interim between Navalny getting into power and becoming "redpilled" on the Western partners?

    Replies: @Svevlad

    , @Shortsword
    @Svevlad


    Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner
     
    He no doubt had the full intention for Russia to economically join the West. But he did publicly express dissaproval of American foreign policy. Especially in the middle east after the Iraq war. That made many neocons really angry. It makes you wonder, would there be any difference if Russia had instead acted like Poland and tried to please America as much as possible?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  123. @Svevlad
    @Thulean Friend

    The instant I heard that Navalny started out as a nationalist and is now a lib I know he's just Russian Vučić except with a more lib rhetoric (Vučić talks all nationalist, but insufferably melodramatic and pathetic). No principles he just wants power and will do what his tardwranglers (westoid embassies) tell him to do.

    On the other hand I don't think that tactic can work. Russia is just too big and powerful automatically. Power "corrupts" (more like draws corrupt people to it), and he could perhaps quickly go rogue and basically become Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Shortsword

    Probably. The question is – how much will Russia lose during the interim between Navalny getting into power and becoming “redpilled” on the Western partners?

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Probably too much, albeit I'm a "none is too many" kind of guy when it comes to such losses.

    Crimea, the occupations in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, bases in Syria, army gutted like post-Slobo Serbia, massive territorial extensions of minority republics (Russians will be bullied out just like Kosovo) and the creations of new ones, the transformation of all Siberia into a giant "free zone" (except for the badboy countries, so basically it's the dominion of holy America). Of course the west just collapses like a decade into Somalia 2 after this would happen so it's moot, really. All the foreigners and minorities would probably end up as chattel for some based Zhirinovsky-but-on-roids unironic schizo reactionary strongman as the world descends into a cesspit for the next millennium, 10 if we're unlucky.

    So yeah, avoid doing that.

  124. @Svevlad
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well, the man said that the men he supported turned out to be imbeciles, therefore they deserve getting fucked, so the next generation learns not to be imbeciles.

    Simple as.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    What next generation? The one who will spend their days online in VR and receive MMT UBI ? Don’t think it’s gonna be a generation of geniuses…

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Bashibuzuk

    The majority of them. And as you know, the further a civilization degenerates, the less people you need to get to power.

  125. @Bashibuzuk
    @Simpleguest


    You maintained, if I recall correctly, that it would had been much better to retain the state order (and the state), and to gradually reform it in order to safeguard the wellbeing of the population to the maximum extent possible.
     
    Absolutely. This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.

    Otherwise Russia would end up exactly as Ottoman Empire did. It will rot and be divided between China and Atlanticist West.

    I have no soft spot for Navalny, I have written that Pevchikh is most probably an MI-6 asset and I do not think Putin ordered an assassination attempt against Navalny (although now that I know that they were filming his "secret palace " this summer, I start to wonder).

    What I want is a strong enough Russia that would withstand the fall of the West and the rise of the Sinosphere. Putin's Russia is not strong enough because it is ruled by a kleptocracy.

    Simple, no?

    Replies: @Simpleguest

    This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.
    Simple, no?

    Well, this needs to be legitimate i.e. wish of the majority of the people.
    Voting fraud allegations aside, I don’t have the impression that anyone can defeat Putin if he runs for one more term.
    Anyway, I believe that Putin can be ruthless and nationalistic if the situation calls for it.

    You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.
    I was under the impression that you, in your zest, were advocating a violent overthrow of the current, legitimate president. I wanted to respond to that only.

    Respect for the will of the majority is the cornerstone of the Western efficiency.
    The will of the majority is respected and dutifully obeyed even if it’s a miniscule 0.2% majority.

    Brexit, for example, a monumental historic decision, won with only 4% majority if I am not mistaken. And Brexit it shall be.

    Everything can be fixed if you stick together.
    So simple, yes.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Simpleguest


    Respect for the will of the majority is the cornerstone of the Western efficiency.
     
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/majority-rule

    Also, Gandhi is ghey.



    https://twitter.com/amaanbali/status/1311980967284809730?s=20

    https://twitter.com/amaanbali/status/1311981045089095680?s=20

    https://twitter.com/amaanbali/status/1311981917546278912?s=20
  126. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”

    If done properly, as in Asia, and people complied, COVID restrictions would indeed be justified. Justified by the principle that they are effective. Unfortunately the sub-human health authorities never even tried to prevent the pandemic, instead they went [late] for “flattening the curve” and other nonsense which only delays the spread, and ensures we have a large number of strains.

    Unfortunately rightoids simply cannot distinguish between an effective and an ineffective response. So they flail about criticizing the government responses with exactly the wrong reasons, and the response of libtards inevitably leads to a defense of the ineffective government response, even when that’s not the intention. Most perversely, it is the health authorities themselves who are some of main beneficiaries from this state of affairs. Almost no one is blaming them, even though they are the ones most responsible for both the economic downturn and the COVID deaths.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @EldnahYm

    You are certain that the current dislocation of the (supposedly) market capitalism globalization is entirely justified by the virus?

    🙂

    Replies: @EldnahYm

    , @Znzn
    @EldnahYm

    Well how many of the right own small businesses? Or work in the private sector where they are higher up the food chain? Vs. your typical reddit liberal? That might color the response on a psychological level.

  127. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Typical opinion of a Yeltsin-era emigrant whom the world (and Russia in a particular) has passed by in his late sovok/1990s bubble.

    Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous, @Verymuchalive

    I must agree with you on this one. I have met these people. They’re still trapped in 1995 or 1990. Often they don’t seem to realise how much weaker America is than then. All very last millenium.

  128. @EldnahYm
    @Bashibuzuk


    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    If done properly, as in Asia, and people complied, COVID restrictions would indeed be justified. Justified by the principle that they are effective. Unfortunately the sub-human health authorities never even tried to prevent the pandemic, instead they went [late] for "flattening the curve" and other nonsense which only delays the spread, and ensures we have a large number of strains.

    Unfortunately rightoids simply cannot distinguish between an effective and an ineffective response. So they flail about criticizing the government responses with exactly the wrong reasons, and the response of libtards inevitably leads to a defense of the ineffective government response, even when that's not the intention. Most perversely, it is the health authorities themselves who are some of main beneficiaries from this state of affairs. Almost no one is blaming them, even though they are the ones most responsible for both the economic downturn and the COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Znzn

    You are certain that the current dislocation of the (supposedly) market capitalism globalization is entirely justified by the virus?

    🙂

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't think your question is very useful. Whether any particular response is justified will probably vary from country to country. Whether globalization is justified is a rather abstract question. I would prefer to phrase the question is such and such response effective in X country? In the aging, developed world, a complete non-response would have led to millions of deaths. The current response being taken may also lead to millions of deaths(impossible to say what vaccines will accomplish), or close to, plus economic dislocation. The ideal response would have been shorter and much firmer, in particular it would have involved non-voluntary quarantines, border closures, and would not have led to so many deaths.

    I'm not convinced market capitalist globalization is going down either. Probably market globalism will accelerate in the sense that financial elites are going to massively expand their ownership of important assets across the world. Buying of distressed property for example is going to lead to much misery. If I were to project current trends forward(extrapolation however is not always sensible), I would suggest that people who are workers in a single country are going to suffer heavily while those with financial assets in different countries will benefit, even more so than was already the case. If I were to extrapolate it looks very much like we're returning to serfdom, minus the farming.

    I'm not too confident in any of these predictions however. Whether COVID will have long-lasting effects on the organization of the world economy or will prove to be a short-term panic which sets back the economic prospects of people over a period of say 5 years or less is unknown. It is worth discussing though.

    One thing I am pretty confident about is that most people aren't going to learn the right lessons from the pandemic.

  129. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Levtraro

    What China has done in the last 30 years just underscores how badly Russia has failed. The idea that Russia made a "fast recovery" is ridiculous. Russia lags far behind the USSR in education, health care, military tech and even basic innovation in its position relative to the world. The current Russian regime is just a dig and deliver economy stripping off Russia's natural resources for the benefit of a small elite and enough Muscovites to preserve stability. Any time I go to a trade fair I am embarassed for Russia - Turkey, Poland, and the Czechs have all made great strides and have developed competitive manufacturing and service companies in a variety of industries. Russia can make decent weapons, has some software skills, and that's about it. Even India and Brazil make Russia look backward these days. Позор indeed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Philip Owen

    Well, that’s your opinion, and you got a bit carried away with the Brazil and India part at the end. I evaluate highly that Russia could turn direction so swiftly and energetically after the 90s, getting rid of powerful parasites and bad faith advisors, becoming independent in the international arena, conservative in values, and proactive to defend their interests, even offering refuge to the most wanted enemy of the most powerful State, and still holding the power to stop a major war because of MAD. In my assessment all of that was a major achievement, it could totally not have happened and the country would be a vassal state.

  130. @Passer by
    @Levtraro

    I'm not russian, but i'm from Eastern Europe and have simpathies for that country. Quite similar culture, etc.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    Noted. I am not Russian either but I have many Russian friends. The best parties I have ever attended were in Russian houses. That counts for something, in my book.

  131. @Shortsword
    @Thulean Friend


    There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny’s racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take.
     
    There aren't any concerns about that. It's just some Russians (and people that are pro-Russian) trying convince Westerners that Navalny is racist to "cancel" him. But there are no fair rules to this game so nothing will come of it.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jayce

    There’s one popular figure in particular that really continues to push the limp “Navalny the ultranationalist gun nut” line year after year.

  132. @Bashibuzuk
    @EldnahYm

    You are certain that the current dislocation of the (supposedly) market capitalism globalization is entirely justified by the virus?

    🙂

    Replies: @EldnahYm

    I don’t think your question is very useful. Whether any particular response is justified will probably vary from country to country. Whether globalization is justified is a rather abstract question. I would prefer to phrase the question is such and such response effective in X country? In the aging, developed world, a complete non-response would have led to millions of deaths. The current response being taken may also lead to millions of deaths(impossible to say what vaccines will accomplish), or close to, plus economic dislocation. The ideal response would have been shorter and much firmer, in particular it would have involved non-voluntary quarantines, border closures, and would not have led to so many deaths.

    I’m not convinced market capitalist globalization is going down either. Probably market globalism will accelerate in the sense that financial elites are going to massively expand their ownership of important assets across the world. Buying of distressed property for example is going to lead to much misery. If I were to project current trends forward(extrapolation however is not always sensible), I would suggest that people who are workers in a single country are going to suffer heavily while those with financial assets in different countries will benefit, even more so than was already the case. If I were to extrapolate it looks very much like we’re returning to serfdom, minus the farming.

    I’m not too confident in any of these predictions however. Whether COVID will have long-lasting effects on the organization of the world economy or will prove to be a short-term panic which sets back the economic prospects of people over a period of say 5 years or less is unknown. It is worth discussing though.

    One thing I am pretty confident about is that most people aren’t going to learn the right lessons from the pandemic.

  133. @Svevlad
    @Thulean Friend

    The instant I heard that Navalny started out as a nationalist and is now a lib I know he's just Russian Vučić except with a more lib rhetoric (Vučić talks all nationalist, but insufferably melodramatic and pathetic). No principles he just wants power and will do what his tardwranglers (westoid embassies) tell him to do.

    On the other hand I don't think that tactic can work. Russia is just too big and powerful automatically. Power "corrupts" (more like draws corrupt people to it), and he could perhaps quickly go rogue and basically become Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Shortsword

    Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner

    He no doubt had the full intention for Russia to economically join the West. But he did publicly express dissaproval of American foreign policy. Especially in the middle east after the Iraq war. That made many neocons really angry. It makes you wonder, would there be any difference if Russia had instead acted like Poland and tried to please America as much as possible?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Shortsword


    would there be any difference if Russia had instead acted like Poland and tried to please America as much as possible?
     
    Moot point. An elephant cannot behave like a mouse, even if it is willing to and tries hard.
  134. @Shortsword
    @Svevlad


    Putler 2 who also kinda started as a pro-westerner
     
    He no doubt had the full intention for Russia to economically join the West. But he did publicly express dissaproval of American foreign policy. Especially in the middle east after the Iraq war. That made many neocons really angry. It makes you wonder, would there be any difference if Russia had instead acted like Poland and tried to please America as much as possible?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    would there be any difference if Russia had instead acted like Poland and tried to please America as much as possible?

    Moot point. An elephant cannot behave like a mouse, even if it is willing to and tries hard.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  135. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    OK, I’ll humor you. Come to think of it, my “ideology”, such as it is, is opposition to morons of all stripes.

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech’s suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it. Maybe – maybe not, it did end up a damp squib after all. Bannon at any rate was more interested in posting Hunter’s dick picks as opposed to anything actually damning.

    Moreover, conservatoids spent their four years in power defending the hallowed right of companies like twitter to ban whomever they want off their platforms (muh free markets). It is always good when stupidity is punished.

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”

    Cynical gaslighting. I said the aesthetics were very good and celebrated them.

    Unfortunately, they are also idiots who believe in stupid things, and their lives are going to get ruined on that account while Trump and his gaggle of grifters skunk away. One would think there would be more appropriate targets for your pent up rage, but apparently not.

    Trust the plan!

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    In the real world, it is the only choice.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”

    What I actually said (as opposed to what you claim I said): Smart people did masks, centralized quarantines, travel restrictions. Subhuman morons got (many more) restrictions because they are subhuman morons.

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    Swinging fists at armored policemen and ending up in jail for a few years does indeed sound pretty foolish to me.

    At least the Qanoners didn’t do it in service of a CIA gay op.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    I will indeed enjoy seeing the minority of Russian nationalists moronic enough to serve as useful idiots for the Washington Obkom crushed in the unlikely event that that Putin actually is overthrown and replaced by some Western stooge. I also endorse Stalin’s purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what. It is always good when stupidity and treason are punished, regardless of the vessel through which Gnon sees fit to exact his vengeance. За что боролись на то и напоролись.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    * citation needed *

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    I don’t tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Gerard-Mandela
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I also endorse Stalin’s purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what.
     
    Magnificent blogging.
    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I don’t tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories
     
    .

    https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0zCg0zEivyLI0YPSSyM5JLC1WKE7OKE9MUkgvSk0sUShKLU4tAQATYg30&q=klaus+schwab+great+reset&oq=klaus+scheab+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j46i13j0i13l2.7566j0j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=Fs281DW3UQ7PoM:

    What do you think of Klaus Schwab? Anything you care to comment about him?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech’s suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it.
     
    He wanted to have it both ways. He clearly stated "“anyone who continues to deny that the election was stolen from Trump is simply being ridiculous" but he had not offered any direct evidence that stealing has occurred.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-disputed-election/#comment-4412580

    IMO stealing occurs in all presidential election. Sometimes it is very close like JFK-Nixon, Bush-Gore, Trump-Hillary and Biden-Trump and then allegation that election was stolen can make sense. But contesting election is un-American as it would undermine the soundness of American political system. Unfortunately the fact that large segment of population question and comest the election result is very bad for America.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

  136. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    OK, I'll humor you. Come to think of it, my "ideology", such as it is, is opposition to morons of all stripes.


    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).
     
    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech's suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it. Maybe - maybe not, it did end up a damp squib after all. Bannon at any rate was more interested in posting Hunter's dick picks as opposed to anything actually damning.

    https://i.redd.it/8vutbksrbnv51.jpg

    Moreover, conservatoids spent their four years in power defending the hallowed right of companies like twitter to ban whomever they want off their platforms (muh free markets). It is always good when stupidity is punished.

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”
     
    Cynical gaslighting. I said the aesthetics were very good and celebrated them.

    Unfortunately, they are also idiots who believe in stupid things, and their lives are going to get ruined on that account while Trump and his gaggle of grifters skunk away. One would think there would be more appropriate targets for your pent up rage, but apparently not.

    Trust the plan!

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.
     
    In the real world, it is the only choice.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    What I actually said (as opposed to what you claim I said): Smart people did masks, centralized quarantines, travel restrictions. Subhuman morons got (many more) restrictions because they are subhuman morons.

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.
     
    Swinging fists at armored policemen and ending up in jail for a few years does indeed sound pretty foolish to me.

    At least the Qanoners didn't do it in service of a CIA gay op.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.
     
    I will indeed enjoy seeing the minority of Russian nationalists moronic enough to serve as useful idiots for the Washington Obkom crushed in the unlikely event that that Putin actually is overthrown and replaced by some Western stooge. I also endorse Stalin's purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what. It is always good when stupidity and treason are punished, regardless of the vessel through which Gnon sees fit to exact his vengeance. За что боролись на то и напоролись.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.
     
    * citation needed *

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.
     
    I don't tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @Gerard-Mandela, @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    I also endorse Stalin’s purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what.

    Magnificent blogging.

  137. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    OK, I'll humor you. Come to think of it, my "ideology", such as it is, is opposition to morons of all stripes.


    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).
     
    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech's suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it. Maybe - maybe not, it did end up a damp squib after all. Bannon at any rate was more interested in posting Hunter's dick picks as opposed to anything actually damning.

    https://i.redd.it/8vutbksrbnv51.jpg

    Moreover, conservatoids spent their four years in power defending the hallowed right of companies like twitter to ban whomever they want off their platforms (muh free markets). It is always good when stupidity is punished.

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”
     
    Cynical gaslighting. I said the aesthetics were very good and celebrated them.

    Unfortunately, they are also idiots who believe in stupid things, and their lives are going to get ruined on that account while Trump and his gaggle of grifters skunk away. One would think there would be more appropriate targets for your pent up rage, but apparently not.

    Trust the plan!

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.
     
    In the real world, it is the only choice.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    What I actually said (as opposed to what you claim I said): Smart people did masks, centralized quarantines, travel restrictions. Subhuman morons got (many more) restrictions because they are subhuman morons.

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.
     
    Swinging fists at armored policemen and ending up in jail for a few years does indeed sound pretty foolish to me.

    At least the Qanoners didn't do it in service of a CIA gay op.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.
     
    I will indeed enjoy seeing the minority of Russian nationalists moronic enough to serve as useful idiots for the Washington Obkom crushed in the unlikely event that that Putin actually is overthrown and replaced by some Western stooge. I also endorse Stalin's purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what. It is always good when stupidity and treason are punished, regardless of the vessel through which Gnon sees fit to exact his vengeance. За что боролись на то и напоролись.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.
     
    * citation needed *

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.
     
    I don't tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @Gerard-Mandela, @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    Also:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

    Doesn't really look like a fringe conspiracy theory to me.

    Any thoughts about it?

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

  138. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I don’t tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories
     
    .

    https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0zCg0zEivyLI0YPSSyM5JLC1WKE7OKE9MUkgvSk0sUShKLU4tAQATYg30&q=klaus+schwab+great+reset&oq=klaus+scheab+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j46i13j0i13l2.7566j0j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=Fs281DW3UQ7PoM:

    What do you think of Klaus Schwab? Anything you care to comment about him?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Also:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

    Doesn’t really look like a fringe conspiracy theory to me.

    Any thoughts about it?

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Klaus-Schwab-KTU.jpg

    You should not really open this topic. You are young, playful, everything's easy for you. This is an another thing. It's not Snowden and not even secret services archives. Better not to get into that. Seriously, any of you would deeply regret. Close the topic and forget what was written here. I fully understand that this post incites additional interest, but I far the curious - stop. The rest will just not see it.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    It is nothing more than a slogan for existing trends, some of which I support (phasing out paper currency, universal income), some of which I don't (ESG, carbon credits, "Woke Capital"). I have indeed commented on many of those issues in past blog posts, so I could only use you were referring to the Great Reset as commonly used in Internet discourse (a mishmash of schizo conspiracy theories about NWO, anti-vaxxer, the latest version of FEMA camps, etc).

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  139. @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    Also:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

    Doesn't really look like a fringe conspiracy theory to me.

    Any thoughts about it?

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

    You should not really open this topic. You are young, playful, everything’s easy for you. This is an another thing. It’s not Snowden and not even secret services archives. Better not to get into that. Seriously, any of you would deeply regret. Close the topic and forget what was written here. I fully understand that this post incites additional interest, but I far the curious – stop. The rest will just not see it.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  140. @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    Also:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

    Doesn't really look like a fringe conspiracy theory to me.

    Any thoughts about it?

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

    It is nothing more than a slogan for existing trends, some of which I support (phasing out paper currency, universal income), some of which I don’t (ESG, carbon credits, “Woke Capital”). I have indeed commented on many of those issues in past blog posts, so I could only use you were referring to the Great Reset as commonly used in Internet discourse (a mishmash of schizo conspiracy theories about NWO, anti-vaxxer, the latest version of FEMA camps, etc).

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    So basically you agree with a part of that program and have nothing else to add.

    Thank you.

  141. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    It is nothing more than a slogan for existing trends, some of which I support (phasing out paper currency, universal income), some of which I don't (ESG, carbon credits, "Woke Capital"). I have indeed commented on many of those issues in past blog posts, so I could only use you were referring to the Great Reset as commonly used in Internet discourse (a mishmash of schizo conspiracy theories about NWO, anti-vaxxer, the latest version of FEMA camps, etc).

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    So basically you agree with a part of that program and have nothing else to add.

    Thank you.

  142. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Hartnell


    Sure, they wont be white nationalists and forbid non-European immigration. But it will still be regulated due to the fact the vast majority of refugees and what have you want free money and a free house.
     
    I do not think this is true. Russian liberals are at core Western cargo cultists, always have been, so the classical liberals of yesteryear are already getting outflanked by modern Wokespawn.

    E.g., telling recent example: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/illarionov-has-done-his-duty-he-can-now-go/

    Also no reason not to expect the same system of class status signaling by supporting refugees, Blacks, trannies, Black trannies, etc. that works in the West not to apply to Russia.

    It's not going to happen right off the bat, obviously, but the underlying trends will acquire an inexorable character.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    liberals are at core Western cargo

    Are you talking about normal middle class people, or a neoliberal elite ideologues like Chubais? Middle class generally, try to copy the values of the classes that are above them.

    Petite bourgeoisie is defined by seeking, while intrinsically never being able to fulfil, the preferences set by the haute bourgeoisie, which in turn emulates the aristocracy. And the aristocracy, in the present formation in Russia is known primarily for its aspiration recreating the lifestyle of Sean Combs and T-Pain.

    Ruling class in Russia, whether from a private sector, or managers of state owned defense corporations, can be on Instagram writing “I’m on a boat in Miami with 10 bottles of Cristal.” But the problem is the middle class people that enjoy Netflix series.

    Navalny is a crazy narcissist, who perhaps wants to present himself as a kind of self-sacrificing heroic figure, but even he still confirms in some ways to a representative of this class pattern. His children were in the Russian educational system, unlike children of officials which are schooled abroad. However, his daughter was in one of the few schools in all Russia that provides “international baccalaureate” program, i.e. Navalny was doing a cheap middle class way to try to copy the education style of children of economically higher classes of postsoviet countries, that are studying the same “international baccalaureate” curriculum at schools in London and Switzerland.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    Do you have any comment on sneakers like these?


    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1353462585249521664

  143. @Thulean Friend
    The passive-aggressive attacks from AK on his commenters is pretty amusing to watch.

    As for the protests, I think we can all agree that liberals and Navalny won't be in power after putlet. Navalny's main function is to weaken the regime. I disagree with AK that putlet's corruption is inevitable. He brings up examples such as Hungary, but Sweden's population is similar and while Löfven is a clown, he is definitely not corrupt. Germany's economy is almost twice the size of Russia's and I don't think even the most hostile anti-Merkel shills would call her corrupt.

    The more interesting question is which constellation of oligarchs and power brokers inside Russia promote Navalny and what's their endgame. There are also concerns raised in the West about Navalny's racist comments about central asian gästarbetare. Bryan MacDonald even goes as far as calling Navalny the Orban of Russia, which is a novel take. In this view, Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office. I'm lukewarm on the theory, but I give some respect to Bryan since he lives in Russia and isn't a pro-Western shill.

    Either way, I concur with the consensus here that Russia's transition moment will make it vulnerable, though I expect putlet to play a behind the scenes role much like Deng Xiaoping did after leaving office. I don't think we've seen the last of the wily manlet even once he vacates his formal positions.

    Replies: @Felix Keverich, @Shortsword, @Svevlad, @Dmitry

    I think most bloggers either don’t read and engage with comments, or if they do, they often ban commentators they disagree with. I’m sure I would get banned pretty soon if I posted anything controversial on other political blogs.

    Whereas I posted on AK’s blog/forum for many years, and he has never insulted me or deleted a comment, let alone banned me.

    So I think he is comparatively tolerant and non-authoritarian as a host. I remember there was somekind of temporary banning of Gerard a couple years ago, which most of us were sad about at the time; but it seems Karlin knows that was mistake and reversed his decision as Gerard is back now.

    Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office

    He doesn’t have much change to go into any political office, anytime soon. But he is definitely a very talented YouTuber, if he can ever overcome his legal troubles and return to the desk camera.

    • Thanks: Gerard.Gerard
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    I agree that AK is a largely hands-off when it comes to moderating, which is one of his better qualities. I don't actually mind him getting in the trenches and throwing insults, which is why I find it amusing. I have low tolerance for people bitching/moaning about it. I frequently diss AK's takes but I don't expect to be treated like on roses for it.


    Whereas I posted on AK’s blog/forum for many years, and he has never insulted me or deleted a comment, let alone banned me.
     
    That's because you're an extraordinarily polite person. I can't imagine who could ever get angry at you. By contrast, most people here are much more prone to flying off the handle and throw insults. The rumble and tumble of this blog is one of its main attractions IMHO. People don't hold back and you better be a man enough to handle that.
  144. @Mr. Hack
    @Hojer

    I have been familiar with the "Rusyn" political landscape in the past. What's new in that world? It used to be that you had two basic groups, supported by outside infiltrators. There was the Father Sidor and Petr Getzko group, that was clearly financed by the Politburo, trying to drive a wedge between Ukrainians and "Rusyns". Then there was the Hungarian brand of Rusynism, supported by a strange dude named "Zhalyva" and a couple of other old and unemployed sovoks. Then there was the cleverest one of all, a Canadian professor of Ukrainian history, a Paul Magocsi, that made a lifetime career of trying to sell his own brand. He's highly disliked in Transcarpathia and rarely ever goes there, wisely trying to avoid the mistrustful and vocal antagonists that are loathe to embrace their "liberator" from the Canadian northland. It's always been a three ring circus there. Oh, and the last that I was aware, it seemed that the hardcore Ukrainian nationalists like Right Sector, were the most popular group there. :-)

    Replies: @Hojer

    Mr. Hack – none of mine Ukrainian/Rusyn direct contacts were homo politicus, not sure if they were aware of Father Sidor and Petr Getzko Group. They did not like Janukovitch and were upset for losing Crimea to Russia as they mostly remember it as a place of pleasant holidays and beutiful girls… My position of being “sorry” for two almost identical slavic nations are hurting each other insteat of helping to fight common enemies was not understood by them, or at least remained unanswere. And yes, Right Sector was probably of higher popularity then Donbas separatists betwean them, but not to the extent of joining their ranks, as far as I knew. A three ring circus as you wrote where people mostly care of their own.

  145. @Gerard.Gerard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Cmon Karlin.... don't be a dimwit. You're a blogger so ACT LIKE A BLOGGER.

    At least show SOME interest in facial characteristics or the girls mother before you go in on this "lovechild" BS.

    Every single photo of the mother circulated in media shows her with the face majority covered with sunglasses - making it impossible to know what she looks like, and so extrapolate what her daughter should possibly look as.

    That is all.... except one....... where it's clear that the daughter looks exactly like her mother, Svetlana Krivonogikh, who looks similar to Putin ( it's almost as if some of us slavs in Russia have Slavic features!)

    How dumb is this "scandal"? For the first time on history - no attempt to look at what the facial appearance is of the officially listed parents before claiming "lovechild" LOL.

    It's also highly insulting to think that security conscious Putin VVP, encourages this woman, not even his mistress, to pleasantly just have a child of his. What is this BS - not Orthodox enough to not sleep with her..... but ultra-orthodox at the point she must have the pregnancy and raise an illegitimate child of his? LOL

    Patriotic media don't publish proper photo because of justified privacy (just as they do with Poroshenko's MP son's wife Russian family in Saint Petersburg).... but fake retard liberast media only circulate images wearing sunglasses that are as good as a welding mask for seeing what her face looks like! Psyop

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There isn’t that much evidence. But it’s not impossible that she could be. It’s not like we can verify it either way.

    1. She goes to school in London, which indicates parents with above average income (although her mother is known be a rich woman independently so that’s not necessarily evidence about her father).

    2. Her boyfriend is son of Mikhail Skigin and grandson of Dmitry Skigin – the latter is also like her mother with close degrees of separation to Putin in the 1990s. Boyfriend deleted all his tiktoks and socia media after it reported (but you would do that anyway to avoid trolls so it doesn’t mean anything).

    3. She exactly the same as if like if just you added long hair to Putin. But unfortunately quite a lot of girls look like that so it’s not much evidence either.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Skigin and grandson of Dmitry Skigin – the latter is also like her
     
    It's funny that from reading the Ukrainian media reports, they were described as scary people, to impugn Putin and his and now alleged "daughter's"' connections. But searching them online, appear to be a kind of gentle appearing Bukhari Jewish version of hippies, who established an environmentalist school in Switzerland, yoga festivals and the vegetarian restaurant in Saint-Peterburg. https://botanika.spb.ru/
  146. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    OK, I'll humor you. Come to think of it, my "ideology", such as it is, is opposition to morons of all stripes.


    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).
     
    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech's suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it. Maybe - maybe not, it did end up a damp squib after all. Bannon at any rate was more interested in posting Hunter's dick picks as opposed to anything actually damning.

    https://i.redd.it/8vutbksrbnv51.jpg

    Moreover, conservatoids spent their four years in power defending the hallowed right of companies like twitter to ban whomever they want off their platforms (muh free markets). It is always good when stupidity is punished.

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the “swine – right ”
     
    Cynical gaslighting. I said the aesthetics were very good and celebrated them.

    Unfortunately, they are also idiots who believe in stupid things, and their lives are going to get ruined on that account while Trump and his gaggle of grifters skunk away. One would think there would be more appropriate targets for your pent up rage, but apparently not.

    Trust the plan!

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it’s either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.
     
    In the real world, it is the only choice.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    What I actually said (as opposed to what you claim I said): Smart people did masks, centralized quarantines, travel restrictions. Subhuman morons got (many more) restrictions because they are subhuman morons.

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.
     
    Swinging fists at armored policemen and ending up in jail for a few years does indeed sound pretty foolish to me.

    At least the Qanoners didn't do it in service of a CIA gay op.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.
     
    I will indeed enjoy seeing the minority of Russian nationalists moronic enough to serve as useful idiots for the Washington Obkom crushed in the unlikely event that that Putin actually is overthrown and replaced by some Western stooge. I also endorse Stalin's purge of the Old Bolsheviks, so what. It is always good when stupidity and treason are punished, regardless of the vessel through which Gnon sees fit to exact his vengeance. За что боролись на то и напоролись.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.
     
    * citation needed *

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.
     
    I don't tend to waste my time on unfalsifiable conspiracy theories.

    Replies: @Gerard-Mandela, @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech’s suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it.

    He wanted to have it both ways. He clearly stated ““anyone who continues to deny that the election was stolen from Trump is simply being ridiculous” but he had not offered any direct evidence that stealing has occurred.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-disputed-election/#comment-4412580

    IMO stealing occurs in all presidential election. Sometimes it is very close like JFK-Nixon, Bush-Gore, Trump-Hillary and Biden-Trump and then allegation that election was stolen can make sense. But contesting election is un-American as it would undermine the soundness of American political system. Unfortunately the fact that large segment of population question and comest the election result is very bad for America.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @utu


    But contesting election is un-American as it would undermine the soundness of American political system.
     
    The American political system is about as sound as a decomposing corpse. At least as far as “we, the people” are concerned. It is pretty sound for the oligarchs, though, as Princeton study established (here is the original:
    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdfand).

    So, if undermining this system were un-American, the US would be doomed. It is not doomed yet, despite the best efforts of the oligarchs.
  147. @Dmitry
    @Gerard.Gerard

    There isn't that much evidence. But it's not impossible that she could be. It's not like we can verify it either way.

    1. She goes to school in London, which indicates parents with above average income (although her mother is known be a rich woman independently so that's not necessarily evidence about her father).

    2. Her boyfriend is son of Mikhail Skigin and grandson of Dmitry Skigin - the latter is also like her mother with close degrees of separation to Putin in the 1990s. Boyfriend deleted all his tiktoks and socia media after it reported (but you would do that anyway to avoid trolls so it doesn't mean anything).

    3. She exactly the same as if like if just you added long hair to Putin. But unfortunately quite a lot of girls look like that so it's not much evidence either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reLVLWIAwuQ

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Skigin and grandson of Dmitry Skigin – the latter is also like her

    It’s funny that from reading the Ukrainian media reports, they were described as scary people, to impugn Putin and his and now alleged “daughter’s”‘ connections. But searching them online, appear to be a kind of gentle appearing Bukhari Jewish version of hippies, who established an environmentalist school in Switzerland, yoga festivals and the vegetarian restaurant in Saint-Peterburg. https://botanika.spb.ru/

  148. @EldnahYm
    @Bashibuzuk


    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”
     
    If done properly, as in Asia, and people complied, COVID restrictions would indeed be justified. Justified by the principle that they are effective. Unfortunately the sub-human health authorities never even tried to prevent the pandemic, instead they went [late] for "flattening the curve" and other nonsense which only delays the spread, and ensures we have a large number of strains.

    Unfortunately rightoids simply cannot distinguish between an effective and an ineffective response. So they flail about criticizing the government responses with exactly the wrong reasons, and the response of libtards inevitably leads to a defense of the ineffective government response, even when that's not the intention. Most perversely, it is the health authorities themselves who are some of main beneficiaries from this state of affairs. Almost no one is blaming them, even though they are the ones most responsible for both the economic downturn and the COVID deaths.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Znzn

    Well how many of the right own small businesses? Or work in the private sector where they are higher up the food chain? Vs. your typical reddit liberal? That might color the response on a psychological level.

  149. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    I think most bloggers either don't read and engage with comments, or if they do, they often ban commentators they disagree with. I'm sure I would get banned pretty soon if I posted anything controversial on other political blogs.

    Whereas I posted on AK's blog/forum for many years, and he has never insulted me or deleted a comment, let alone banned me.

    So I think he is comparatively tolerant and non-authoritarian as a host. I remember there was somekind of temporary banning of Gerard a couple years ago, which most of us were sad about at the time; but it seems Karlin knows that was mistake and reversed his decision as Gerard is back now.


    Navalny is basically LARPing as a liberal to get foreign support, like Orban used to do, and then will change once in office
     
    He doesn't have much change to go into any political office, anytime soon. But he is definitely a very talented YouTuber, if he can ever overcome his legal troubles and return to the desk camera.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I agree that AK is a largely hands-off when it comes to moderating, which is one of his better qualities. I don’t actually mind him getting in the trenches and throwing insults, which is why I find it amusing. I have low tolerance for people bitching/moaning about it. I frequently diss AK’s takes but I don’t expect to be treated like on roses for it.

    Whereas I posted on AK’s blog/forum for many years, and he has never insulted me or deleted a comment, let alone banned me.

    That’s because you’re an extraordinarily polite person. I can’t imagine who could ever get angry at you. By contrast, most people here are much more prone to flying off the handle and throw insults. The rumble and tumble of this blog is one of its main attractions IMHO. People don’t hold back and you better be a man enough to handle that.

  150. @Simpleguest
    @Bashibuzuk


    This is what I believe. And I think that to achieve this Putin must retire ASAP and be replaced by a more ruthless and nationalistic leader.
    Simple, no?
     
    Well, this needs to be legitimate i.e. wish of the majority of the people.
    Voting fraud allegations aside, I don't have the impression that anyone can defeat Putin if he runs for one more term.
    Anyway, I believe that Putin can be ruthless and nationalistic if the situation calls for it.

    You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.
    I was under the impression that you, in your zest, were advocating a violent overthrow of the current, legitimate president. I wanted to respond to that only.

    Respect for the will of the majority is the cornerstone of the Western efficiency.
    The will of the majority is respected and dutifully obeyed even if it's a miniscule 0.2% majority.

    Brexit, for example, a monumental historic decision, won with only 4% majority if I am not mistaken. And Brexit it shall be.

    Everything can be fixed if you stick together.
    So simple, yes.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Respect for the will of the majority is the cornerstone of the Western efficiency.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/majority-rule

    Also, Gandhi is ghey.

    [MORE]

  151. @Bashibuzuk
    @Svevlad

    What next generation? The one who will spend their days online in VR and receive MMT UBI ? Don't think it's gonna be a generation of geniuses...

    Replies: @Svevlad

    The majority of them. And as you know, the further a civilization degenerates, the less people you need to get to power.

  152. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Svevlad

    Probably. The question is - how much will Russia lose during the interim between Navalny getting into power and becoming "redpilled" on the Western partners?

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Probably too much, albeit I’m a “none is too many” kind of guy when it comes to such losses.

    Crimea, the occupations in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, bases in Syria, army gutted like post-Slobo Serbia, massive territorial extensions of minority republics (Russians will be bullied out just like Kosovo) and the creations of new ones, the transformation of all Siberia into a giant “free zone” (except for the badboy countries, so basically it’s the dominion of holy America). Of course the west just collapses like a decade into Somalia 2 after this would happen so it’s moot, really. All the foreigners and minorities would probably end up as chattel for some based Zhirinovsky-but-on-roids unironic schizo reactionary strongman as the world descends into a cesspit for the next millennium, 10 if we’re unlucky.

    So yeah, avoid doing that.

  153. @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin


    liberals are at core Western cargo
     
    Are you talking about normal middle class people, or a neoliberal elite ideologues like Chubais? Middle class generally, try to copy the values of the classes that are above them.

    Petite bourgeoisie is defined by seeking, while intrinsically never being able to fulfil, the preferences set by the haute bourgeoisie, which in turn emulates the aristocracy. And the aristocracy, in the present formation in Russia is known primarily for its aspiration recreating the lifestyle of Sean Combs and T-Pain.

    Ruling class in Russia, whether from a private sector, or managers of state owned defense corporations, can be on Instagram writing "I'm on a boat in Miami with 10 bottles of Cristal." But the problem is the middle class people that enjoy Netflix series.

    Navalny is a crazy narcissist, who perhaps wants to present himself as a kind of self-sacrificing heroic figure, but even he still confirms in some ways to a representative of this class pattern. His children were in the Russian educational system, unlike children of officials which are schooled abroad. However, his daughter was in one of the few schools in all Russia that provides "international baccalaureate" program, i.e. Navalny was doing a cheap middle class way to try to copy the education style of children of economically higher classes of postsoviet countries, that are studying the same "international baccalaureate" curriculum at schools in London and Switzerland.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Do you have any comment on sneakers like these?

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  154. @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I recall, Ron was likewise skeptical that voter fraud is what tipped Biden over the line. His point was that it was Big Tech’s suppression of the Biden laptop story that did it.
     
    He wanted to have it both ways. He clearly stated "“anyone who continues to deny that the election was stolen from Trump is simply being ridiculous" but he had not offered any direct evidence that stealing has occurred.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-disputed-election/#comment-4412580

    IMO stealing occurs in all presidential election. Sometimes it is very close like JFK-Nixon, Bush-Gore, Trump-Hillary and Biden-Trump and then allegation that election was stolen can make sense. But contesting election is un-American as it would undermine the soundness of American political system. Unfortunately the fact that large segment of population question and comest the election result is very bad for America.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    But contesting election is un-American as it would undermine the soundness of American political system.

    The American political system is about as sound as a decomposing corpse. At least as far as “we, the people” are concerned. It is pretty sound for the oligarchs, though, as Princeton study established (here is the original:
    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdfand).

    So, if undermining this system were un-American, the US would be doomed. It is not doomed yet, despite the best efforts of the oligarchs.

  155. Demonstrations in Saratov were not organized. People turned up in at least three separate places which might have been expected to be the location. A thousand at each. Certainly more than the dozen reported by the United Russia press. Organizers, if any, were compared to Nazis/Chechens hiding behind the bodies of mothers and babies. UR is really trying to win hearts and minds here. This seems to mean they didn’t find any organizers, if any. Navalny not mentioned by name in the press, just “political prisoners”. That’s a deliberate plural. Non Navalny signs at the demos either.

    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Philip Owen


    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.
     
    Russia has gone from $16B agricultural exports in 2013 to $30B in 2020. But the agricultural production and export was already increasing on good pace before 2014. What would the difference be in 2020 without food import substitution?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Philip Owen

  156. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    it was a damp squib
     
    If it was going to work, this would be a strange world. If 25,000 - or even 100,000 - demonstrators in a big city can change governments it would be absurd. That is true in Russia as much as in US or France.

    So why are they doing it? Some marginal PR for the West at home. And there isn't much else they can do. West keeps on retrying the same old methods that have ceased to work after over-use (and bad experiences afterwards). Publishing dirt on enemy leaders is a dumb move, it doesn't work. This is run by people who lack real experience, probably the new generation of NGO trained "revolutionary" consultants.

    As Passer By wrote, 2021-24 is crucial: the gradual weakening of the West and gradual strengthening of Russia-China requires a deus-ex-machine moves, something has to give, otherwise in a few years West will be forced to settle for worse terms. Navalny and gang are not effective. West will have to for the jugular or give up. It could get scary, or comical - the current Western crop couldn't find a jugular if their lives dependent on it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Khordokovsky has re-engaged Kapersky’s PR team to support Navalny. K is probably less bright politically than Beresovsky but Navalny is brighter than Kapersky. When the time comes, Khordokovsky’s mafia connections are 2nd to none. He has an intelligence service to match the FSB, means to move money and hit squads.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Philip Owen

    You sound so certain. Where do you get this from?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  157. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Levtraro

    What China has done in the last 30 years just underscores how badly Russia has failed. The idea that Russia made a "fast recovery" is ridiculous. Russia lags far behind the USSR in education, health care, military tech and even basic innovation in its position relative to the world. The current Russian regime is just a dig and deliver economy stripping off Russia's natural resources for the benefit of a small elite and enough Muscovites to preserve stability. Any time I go to a trade fair I am embarassed for Russia - Turkey, Poland, and the Czechs have all made great strides and have developed competitive manufacturing and service companies in a variety of industries. Russia can make decent weapons, has some software skills, and that's about it. Even India and Brazil make Russia look backward these days. Позор indeed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Philip Owen

    Russia could do better if it was less corporatist. (Putin is way beyond De Gaulle now). The genuine revival in crop production is being undermined by the need to artificially lower grain prices for the new meat and dairy processing plants. It is not however a complete disaster and Russia is far better than the late USSR in terms of delivering a liveable life to its citizens.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Philip Owen

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1351704653419978752

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  158. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Khordokovsky has re-engaged Kapersky's PR team to support Navalny. K is probably less bright politically than Beresovsky but Navalny is brighter than Kapersky. When the time comes, Khordokovsky's mafia connections are 2nd to none. He has an intelligence service to match the FSB, means to move money and hit squads.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    You sound so certain. Where do you get this from?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Shortsword

    I am not sure that I am. I have some insight into the UK politics of this. As for the oligarchs, Khordokovsky is the only anti-Putin one of substance still standing not on Navalny's target list for sanctions.Prokhorov or Potanin have no stomach for it.

  159. @Philip Owen
    Demonstrations in Saratov were not organized. People turned up in at least three separate places which might have been expected to be the location. A thousand at each. Certainly more than the dozen reported by the United Russia press. Organizers, if any, were compared to Nazis/Chechens hiding behind the bodies of mothers and babies. UR is really trying to win hearts and minds here. This seems to mean they didn't find any organizers, if any. Navalny not mentioned by name in the press, just "political prisoners". That's a deliberate plural. Non Navalny signs at the demos either.

    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.

    Russia has gone from $16B agricultural exports in 2013 to $30B in 2020. But the agricultural production and export was already increasing on good pace before 2014. What would the difference be in 2020 without food import substitution?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Shortsword

    I don't the numbers to hand. This is a tablet not a PC. The ministry of agriculture tracks output not just exports so you can get some idea. Russia can now export chicken and is about there with pork. Beef, goat, Turkey, duck, various fish are all subsidized and there are brand new farms for all. 1 tonne of fish is about 1 tonne of feed. 1 tonne of chicken is 3 tonnes of feed and 1 tonne of pig is 9 tonnes of feed. Feed is 1:3 soya and 2:3 grain in each case. Roughly. So it is possible to work back but it has been a long day.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Shortsword

    Meat production was 10.8 m tonnes.in 2019. If chicken, then 20m tonnes of grain (after deducting soya from the feed). If pork, 60m tonnes of grain. I will go for 25m tonnes. Prior to import substitution RU imported 60% of meat. So let's say local meat production has reduced grain export potential by 15m tonnes. Even so records are being broken.

  160. @Philip Owen
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Russia could do better if it was less corporatist. (Putin is way beyond De Gaulle now). The genuine revival in crop production is being undermined by the need to artificially lower grain prices for the new meat and dairy processing plants. It is not however a complete disaster and Russia is far better than the late USSR in terms of delivering a liveable life to its citizens.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Lots of field crops for export. Some chicken and a token amount of pork. There would be more pork but the Chinese are playing hard to get and Russia is having food cost problems.

  161. @Shortsword
    @Philip Owen


    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.
     
    Russia has gone from $16B agricultural exports in 2013 to $30B in 2020. But the agricultural production and export was already increasing on good pace before 2014. What would the difference be in 2020 without food import substitution?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Philip Owen

    I don’t the numbers to hand. This is a tablet not a PC. The ministry of agriculture tracks output not just exports so you can get some idea. Russia can now export chicken and is about there with pork. Beef, goat, Turkey, duck, various fish are all subsidized and there are brand new farms for all. 1 tonne of fish is about 1 tonne of feed. 1 tonne of chicken is 3 tonnes of feed and 1 tonne of pig is 9 tonnes of feed. Feed is 1:3 soya and 2:3 grain in each case. Roughly. So it is possible to work back but it has been a long day.

  162. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Philip Owen

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1351704653419978752

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Lots of field crops for export. Some chicken and a token amount of pork. There would be more pork but the Chinese are playing hard to get and Russia is having food cost problems.

  163. @Shortsword
    @Philip Owen

    You sound so certain. Where do you get this from?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    I am not sure that I am. I have some insight into the UK politics of this. As for the oligarchs, Khordokovsky is the only anti-Putin one of substance still standing not on Navalny’s target list for sanctions.Prokhorov or Potanin have no stomach for it.

  164. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    I don’t know, I think it’s about 50% sincere and 50% trolling for views/comments (given the ideological bent this platform the great Ron Unz has so generously provided us), anyway, it was obviously too much for a lot of the old regular Russian commenters. About a year or two/three [?] ago Glossy and Andrei Martyanov left a spray of extremely bitter (albeit highly amusing) vitriol before permanently departing here, I think the only TRUE AND HONEST Russian patriot left here is Gerard.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    Both of whom are "patriots" from abroad. Martyanov in particular having left for the Great Satan before the Soviet Union's corpse was even cold.

  165. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    stupidity needs to be brutally punished
     
    Ok so that's the summary of your recent opinions:

    1) US election was not stolen. (Ron Unz would disagree about that).

    2) MAGA people and Trumptards will be crushed and you will enjoy that because they are the "swine - right "

    3) Putin is the best possible choice Russians now have, it's either him or Navalny and his Эхо Москвы militia.

    4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are "subhumans"

    5) Anyone standing against the police is a fool.

    6) Russian nationalists will be crushed and you will enjoy it.

    7) Everyone standing against the current radical transformation of European Civilization is an imbecile.

    8) A complete silence about the Great Reset agenda openly advertised by TPTB.

    This is clearly not "Russian Reaction" advertised in the title of your blog. You have come a long way since those YouTube vids that you did with Prosvirnin.

    So how would you define yourself today Anatoly?

    Serious question. Feel free to ignore it if it's too embarrassing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @EldnahYm, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian, @Yevardian

    One other thing, unlike a mainstream media outlet or someone working as a cog in one, as a relatively small private blog, Akarlin doesn’t feel hindered in pointing out that the ‘right’ (increasingly dated as these terms are) is as full of imbeciles and retards as the ‘left’, or simply making highly pessimistic predictions etc. If you want to see an effective propaganda cheerleader for rightoids that doesn’t totally insult it’s readers, you can always go to The Daily Stormer. Or Nikolai Starikov, I guess.
    Although the level of schadenfreude he takes in watching his supposed ideological fellow travellers suffer is pretty suspect, regardless of how avidly Putin studies this blog, I doubt he’ll ever have direct say in Russian policy, so it’s ultimately whatever.
    I mostly just come here for the comments, since most of the rest of this site is full of the ‘rightoid imbeciles’ Akarlin enjoys mocking so much of late. Especially Sailer’s blog… I still don’t know why that tedious guy ever got so popular.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yevardian

    His broad shotgun approach to spinning the news and pointing out the cracks and fissures of American society is quite good.

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Yevardian

    AK is sadly suffering from an acute case of irony poisoning.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    I am not sure what I owe to rightoids (or leftoids or libtards or centroids). The only ideological label I identify with and owe some degree of group loyalty to is Russian nationalism.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  166. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    One other thing, unlike a mainstream media outlet or someone working as a cog in one, as a relatively small private blog, Akarlin doesn't feel hindered in pointing out that the 'right' (increasingly dated as these terms are) is as full of imbeciles and retards as the 'left', or simply making highly pessimistic predictions etc. If you want to see an effective propaganda cheerleader for rightoids that doesn't totally insult it's readers, you can always go to The Daily Stormer. Or Nikolai Starikov, I guess.
    Although the level of schadenfreude he takes in watching his supposed ideological fellow travellers suffer is pretty suspect, regardless of how avidly Putin studies this blog, I doubt he'll ever have direct say in Russian policy, so it's ultimately whatever.
    I mostly just come here for the comments, since most of the rest of this site is full of the 'rightoid imbeciles' Akarlin enjoys mocking so much of late. Especially Sailer's blog... I still don't know why that tedious guy ever got so popular.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    His broad shotgun approach to spinning the news and pointing out the cracks and fissures of American society is quite good.

  167. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    One other thing, unlike a mainstream media outlet or someone working as a cog in one, as a relatively small private blog, Akarlin doesn't feel hindered in pointing out that the 'right' (increasingly dated as these terms are) is as full of imbeciles and retards as the 'left', or simply making highly pessimistic predictions etc. If you want to see an effective propaganda cheerleader for rightoids that doesn't totally insult it's readers, you can always go to The Daily Stormer. Or Nikolai Starikov, I guess.
    Although the level of schadenfreude he takes in watching his supposed ideological fellow travellers suffer is pretty suspect, regardless of how avidly Putin studies this blog, I doubt he'll ever have direct say in Russian policy, so it's ultimately whatever.
    I mostly just come here for the comments, since most of the rest of this site is full of the 'rightoid imbeciles' Akarlin enjoys mocking so much of late. Especially Sailer's blog... I still don't know why that tedious guy ever got so popular.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    AK is sadly suffering from an acute case of irony poisoning.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Kent Nationalist

    I understand that, given that my own comments are mostly post-ironic level 1488 trolling. But there's something else: in fact the current transformation of human civilization should be appealing to people who identify with transhumanist and accelerationist ideas to some extent. If you add some HBD and IQ social darwinism to the mix, then perhaps it's easier to understand Anatoly's take on the recent events.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @utu
    @Kent Nationalist

    Return of Navalny to Russia significantly depleted copium supplies among Russian nationalists. Karlin went through his copium stash as if there was no tomorrow.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

  168. Lucid.

    Interpretation:
    “Want to live in Russia without Putin? Just move to Ukraine. Ukraine, it’s Russia, but without Putin”

    • Agree: JL, AnonFromTN, Jazman
  169. @Kent Nationalist
    @Yevardian

    AK is sadly suffering from an acute case of irony poisoning.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    I understand that, given that my own comments are mostly post-ironic level 1488 trolling. But there’s something else: in fact the current transformation of human civilization should be appealing to people who identify with transhumanist and accelerationist ideas to some extent. If you add some HBD and IQ social darwinism to the mix, then perhaps it’s easier to understand Anatoly’s take on the recent events.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    If only.

  170. @Bashibuzuk
    @Kent Nationalist

    I understand that, given that my own comments are mostly post-ironic level 1488 trolling. But there's something else: in fact the current transformation of human civilization should be appealing to people who identify with transhumanist and accelerationist ideas to some extent. If you add some HBD and IQ social darwinism to the mix, then perhaps it's easier to understand Anatoly's take on the recent events.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    If only.

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
  171. @Kent Nationalist
    @Yevardian

    AK is sadly suffering from an acute case of irony poisoning.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    Return of Navalny to Russia significantly depleted copium supplies among Russian nationalists. Karlin went through his copium stash as if there was no tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    Imagine what we'll read on Unz Review when VVP "suddenly " retires?

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @utu

    / citations needed

  172. @utu
    @Kent Nationalist

    Return of Navalny to Russia significantly depleted copium supplies among Russian nationalists. Karlin went through his copium stash as if there was no tomorrow.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

    Imagine what we’ll read on Unz Review when VVP “suddenly ” retires?

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    You claimed Putin would "leave office" "within 2 years", then changed the definition to include designating a successor (which could be someone like Dmitry Patrushev or whatever who would basically continue Putin's policies) when challenged on it.

    You don't have much of a leg to stand on so far as allegations of "coping" are concerned. :)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  173. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't know, I think it's about 50% sincere and 50% trolling for views/comments (given the ideological bent this platform the great Ron Unz has so generously provided us), anyway, it was obviously too much for a lot of the old regular Russian commenters. About a year or two/three [?] ago Glossy and Andrei Martyanov left a spray of extremely bitter (albeit highly amusing) vitriol before permanently departing here, I think the only TRUE AND HONEST Russian patriot left here is Gerard.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Both of whom are “patriots” from abroad. Martyanov in particular having left for the Great Satan before the Soviet Union’s corpse was even cold.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  174. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    One other thing, unlike a mainstream media outlet or someone working as a cog in one, as a relatively small private blog, Akarlin doesn't feel hindered in pointing out that the 'right' (increasingly dated as these terms are) is as full of imbeciles and retards as the 'left', or simply making highly pessimistic predictions etc. If you want to see an effective propaganda cheerleader for rightoids that doesn't totally insult it's readers, you can always go to The Daily Stormer. Or Nikolai Starikov, I guess.
    Although the level of schadenfreude he takes in watching his supposed ideological fellow travellers suffer is pretty suspect, regardless of how avidly Putin studies this blog, I doubt he'll ever have direct say in Russian policy, so it's ultimately whatever.
    I mostly just come here for the comments, since most of the rest of this site is full of the 'rightoid imbeciles' Akarlin enjoys mocking so much of late. Especially Sailer's blog... I still don't know why that tedious guy ever got so popular.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    I am not sure what I owe to rightoids (or leftoids or libtards or centroids). The only ideological label I identify with and owe some degree of group loyalty to is Russian nationalism.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russian nationalism
     
    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique. You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite's corruption a couple of years ago.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  175. @utu
    @Kent Nationalist

    Return of Navalny to Russia significantly depleted copium supplies among Russian nationalists. Karlin went through his copium stash as if there was no tomorrow.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

    / citations needed

  176. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    I am not sure what I owe to rightoids (or leftoids or libtards or centroids). The only ideological label I identify with and owe some degree of group loyalty to is Russian nationalism.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Russian nationalism

    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique. You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite’s corruption a couple of years ago.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique.
     
    Yes. And?

    The brighter ones (happily the majority apart from some natslibs who are really just deluded racist liberals who for some reason imagine their comrades will allow them to remain racist after the Revolution) don't use that as an excuse to be useful stooges for a hostile foreign Power.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc0Gl3XcAAUjpV.png

    You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite’s corruption a couple of years ago.
     
    If I am ruled by a corrupt regime that does nothing for me or my people, then sure, what's the point of defending it.

    If it does good things for me and my people, I support it despite its flaws. It has been doing many very nice things since that time:

    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-putin-again/
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-for-russians-to-be-written-into-the-constitution/

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  177. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    Imagine what we'll read on Unz Review when VVP "suddenly " retires?

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    You claimed Putin would “leave office” “within 2 years”, then changed the definition to include designating a successor (which could be someone like Dmitry Patrushev or whatever who would basically continue Putin’s policies) when challenged on it.

    You don’t have much of a leg to stand on so far as allegations of “coping” are concerned. 🙂

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ah I see that is started to dawn on you that I might be right about Pynia heading for the exit.

    Anyway, you really think that Putin "being at the head" of the Russian state is all that important?

    What is important is to keep im place the extractive system that broadly favored globalized Western interests. Putin talked a lot, but did little to truly change this system. He could have done so in 2014, but he did not.

    A single stern look by the Swiss chad Burkhalter and Pynia went back to his pre-Crimean act. And now the system that he allowed to function and for which he played the talking head role is itself preparing to sideline him right as we write.

    Did you know that Friedman the younger was among the protesters in Moscow, that Mordashov has recently publicly warned that Russia would not be able to withstand more American sanctions?

    That Chubais is now officially responsible for "communication with international organizations"?

    Soon, very soon we would most probably hear something along Yeltsin's "Я устал, я мухожук" classical lines coming from Pynia the gray.

    And yeah, this came in today:

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55808924

    You remember Prikhodko and the whole Nastya Rybka affair? Who do you think the young American who joined them for some fun time on the Deripaska's yacht was? Prikhodko could have named him after a regime change in Russia and he could have talked about the whole situation. But he's probably not the last one being silenced in the next few months.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  178. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russian nationalism
     
    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique. You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite's corruption a couple of years ago.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique.

    Yes. And?

    The brighter ones (happily the majority apart from some natslibs who are really just deluded racist liberals who for some reason imagine their comrades will allow them to remain racist after the Revolution) don’t use that as an excuse to be useful stooges for a hostile foreign Power.

    You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite’s corruption a couple of years ago.

    If I am ruled by a corrupt regime that does nothing for me or my people, then sure, what’s the point of defending it.

    If it does good things for me and my people, I support it despite its flaws. It has been doing many very nice things since that time:

    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-putin-again/
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-for-russians-to-be-written-into-the-constitution/

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    BTW, I understand now better why they have killed Tesak before his transfer to Moscow. If he would have been alive and was freed during the turbulent transition period, he might have caused a real headache to the Russian elites.

    https://youtu.be/DsKMd-ngVWU

    Мир праху!

    Replies: @4Dchessmaster

  179. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    You claimed Putin would "leave office" "within 2 years", then changed the definition to include designating a successor (which could be someone like Dmitry Patrushev or whatever who would basically continue Putin's policies) when challenged on it.

    You don't have much of a leg to stand on so far as allegations of "coping" are concerned. :)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Ah I see that is started to dawn on you that I might be right about Pynia heading for the exit.

    Anyway, you really think that Putin “being at the head” of the Russian state is all that important?

    What is important is to keep im place the extractive system that broadly favored globalized Western interests. Putin talked a lot, but did little to truly change this system. He could have done so in 2014, but he did not.

    A single stern look by the Swiss chad Burkhalter and Pynia went back to his pre-Crimean act. And now the system that he allowed to function and for which he played the talking head role is itself preparing to sideline him right as we write.

    Did you know that Friedman the younger was among the protesters in Moscow, that Mordashov has recently publicly warned that Russia would not be able to withstand more American sanctions?

    That Chubais is now officially responsible for “communication with international organizations”?

    Soon, very soon we would most probably hear something along Yeltsin’s “Я устал, я мухожук” classical lines coming from Pynia the gray.

    [MORE]

    And yeah, this came in today:

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55808924

    You remember Prikhodko and the whole Nastya Rybka affair? Who do you think the young American who joined them for some fun time on the Deripaska’s yacht was? Prikhodko could have named him after a regime change in Russia and he could have talked about the whole situation. But he’s probably not the last one being silenced in the next few months.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Why the hell should I or anyone care about the very important opinions of second-rate Russian oligarchs? The key decision-making body in Russia is the Security Council, not Mordashov or Friedman, at least last time I checked. In any case, Friedman has never hidden his antipathy to Russia and pro-Western sympathies, though unlike Khodorkovsky he has been bright enough to keep it low key. His son running about with the pronouns-in-bio people is one of the least surprising things in the world.

    Regarding Chubais - at this point, he is literally more based than you are:


    Петр Авен: Вы ближе с Чубайсом, чем со мной. Он менял взгляды радикально. Я говорил Чубайсу, что свои идеологические предпочтения не поменял с 1992 года, а он поменял достаточно сильно. Он рекламировал мне этот «Спутник и Погром», что удивительно слышать от человека, который в 1992 году был в нашем правительстве.

    Станислав Белковский: Ну Анатолий Борисович, мне кажется, тоже в значительной степени стал заложником своей семейной ситуации. Ему нужно было куда-то пристать. В какой-то степени «Спутник и Погром» — это следствие того эстетизма, который привила ему нынешняя супруга, для которой эстетические оценки значительно важнее этических.
     
    Reflect upon that, LOL.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @reiner Tor

  180. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    The majority of Russian nationalists I am aware of have a very negative appreciation of Putin and his clique.
     
    Yes. And?

    The brighter ones (happily the majority apart from some natslibs who are really just deluded racist liberals who for some reason imagine their comrades will allow them to remain racist after the Revolution) don't use that as an excuse to be useful stooges for a hostile foreign Power.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc0Gl3XcAAUjpV.png

    You had yourself a negative view of Russian elite’s corruption a couple of years ago.
     
    If I am ruled by a corrupt regime that does nothing for me or my people, then sure, what's the point of defending it.

    If it does good things for me and my people, I support it despite its flaws. It has been doing many very nice things since that time:

    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-putin-again/
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-for-russians-to-be-written-into-the-constitution/

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    BTW, I understand now better why they have killed Tesak before his transfer to Moscow. If he would have been alive and was freed during the turbulent transition period, he might have caused a real headache to the Russian elites.

    Мир праху!

    • Replies: @4Dchessmaster
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't think Tesak would have been a headache for anybody had he been released in 2017 for example. His peak years were from the documentary in which he was featured in 2004. That time was the best for any real progress from Tesak's clique. Russia is more stable now and Tesak's behaviour was not always easy for the Russian public to stomach. Sure, some people may find it funny that a gay guy is forced to suck a dildo on camera in an apartment in which he was lured to, but it gets old fast.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  181. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ah I see that is started to dawn on you that I might be right about Pynia heading for the exit.

    Anyway, you really think that Putin "being at the head" of the Russian state is all that important?

    What is important is to keep im place the extractive system that broadly favored globalized Western interests. Putin talked a lot, but did little to truly change this system. He could have done so in 2014, but he did not.

    A single stern look by the Swiss chad Burkhalter and Pynia went back to his pre-Crimean act. And now the system that he allowed to function and for which he played the talking head role is itself preparing to sideline him right as we write.

    Did you know that Friedman the younger was among the protesters in Moscow, that Mordashov has recently publicly warned that Russia would not be able to withstand more American sanctions?

    That Chubais is now officially responsible for "communication with international organizations"?

    Soon, very soon we would most probably hear something along Yeltsin's "Я устал, я мухожук" classical lines coming from Pynia the gray.

    And yeah, this came in today:

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55808924

    You remember Prikhodko and the whole Nastya Rybka affair? Who do you think the young American who joined them for some fun time on the Deripaska's yacht was? Prikhodko could have named him after a regime change in Russia and he could have talked about the whole situation. But he's probably not the last one being silenced in the next few months.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Why the hell should I or anyone care about the very important opinions of second-rate Russian oligarchs? The key decision-making body in Russia is the Security Council, not Mordashov or Friedman, at least last time I checked. In any case, Friedman has never hidden his antipathy to Russia and pro-Western sympathies, though unlike Khodorkovsky he has been bright enough to keep it low key. His son running about with the pronouns-in-bio people is one of the least surprising things in the world.

    Regarding Chubais – at this point, he is literally more based than you are:

    Петр Авен: Вы ближе с Чубайсом, чем со мной. Он менял взгляды радикально. Я говорил Чубайсу, что свои идеологические предпочтения не поменял с 1992 года, а он поменял достаточно сильно. Он рекламировал мне этот «Спутник и Погром», что удивительно слышать от человека, который в 1992 году был в нашем правительстве.

    Станислав Белковский: Ну Анатолий Борисович, мне кажется, тоже в значительной степени стал заложником своей семейной ситуации. Ему нужно было куда-то пристать. В какой-то степени «Спутник и Погром» — это следствие того эстетизма, который привила ему нынешняя супруга, для которой эстетические оценки значительно важнее этических.

    Reflect upon that, LOL.

    • Thanks: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    https://simple-fauna.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/polyarnyj-volk-1.jpg

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    https://content.eol.org/data/media/7f/d4/74/542.4067440134.jpg

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltSerrice

    , @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I didn’t know that about Chubais.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  182. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Why the hell should I or anyone care about the very important opinions of second-rate Russian oligarchs? The key decision-making body in Russia is the Security Council, not Mordashov or Friedman, at least last time I checked. In any case, Friedman has never hidden his antipathy to Russia and pro-Western sympathies, though unlike Khodorkovsky he has been bright enough to keep it low key. His son running about with the pronouns-in-bio people is one of the least surprising things in the world.

    Regarding Chubais - at this point, he is literally more based than you are:


    Петр Авен: Вы ближе с Чубайсом, чем со мной. Он менял взгляды радикально. Я говорил Чубайсу, что свои идеологические предпочтения не поменял с 1992 года, а он поменял достаточно сильно. Он рекламировал мне этот «Спутник и Погром», что удивительно слышать от человека, который в 1992 году был в нашем правительстве.

    Станислав Белковский: Ну Анатолий Борисович, мне кажется, тоже в значительной степени стал заложником своей семейной ситуации. Ему нужно было куда-то пристать. В какой-то степени «Спутник и Погром» — это следствие того эстетизма, который привила ему нынешняя супруга, для которой эстетические оценки значительно важнее этических.
     
    Reflect upon that, LOL.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @reiner Tor

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I highly respect 君子报仇,十年未晚 but it does lead one down some interesting valleys and theories, methinks.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.
     
    Heresy! Extreme heresy! But what you could expect from a man who thinks that you can be a Buddhist without taking a refuge in the Arya Triple Gem?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Tibetan_Dharmacakra.png
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    I think Daniel Chieh has a good point.

    The tendency of emigres to get stuck at the point of history at which they left their country has often been noted. Glossy lives in a fantasy USSR (left in 80s iirc). Peter Akuleyev regards it as the dirty, dilapidated wasteland of the 1990s that he left. And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).

    This is not a criticism or anything of the sort, to the contrary, I can now see where you're coming from. I obviously don't endorse it, though, since the consequences of what you wish for are likely to be more ruinous than not for Russia and the people who live there, which happen to include myself.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Yevardian

    , @AltSerrice
    @Bashibuzuk

    Esoteric cringeposting.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  183. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    https://simple-fauna.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/polyarnyj-volk-1.jpg

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    https://content.eol.org/data/media/7f/d4/74/542.4067440134.jpg

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltSerrice

    I highly respect 君子报仇,十年未晚 but it does lead one down some interesting valleys and theories, methinks.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    I was just thinking about buying a plane ticket and going back home to not miss all the fun as I missed it in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @utu, @Dmitry

  184. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    https://simple-fauna.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/polyarnyj-volk-1.jpg

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    https://content.eol.org/data/media/7f/d4/74/542.4067440134.jpg

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltSerrice

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    Heresy! Extreme heresy! But what you could expect from a man who thinks that you can be a Buddhist without taking a refuge in the Arya Triple Gem?

  185. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    BTW, I understand now better why they have killed Tesak before his transfer to Moscow. If he would have been alive and was freed during the turbulent transition period, he might have caused a real headache to the Russian elites.

    https://youtu.be/DsKMd-ngVWU

    Мир праху!

    Replies: @4Dchessmaster

    I don’t think Tesak would have been a headache for anybody had he been released in 2017 for example. His peak years were from the documentary in which he was featured in 2004. That time was the best for any real progress from Tesak’s clique. Russia is more stable now and Tesak’s behaviour was not always easy for the Russian public to stomach. Sure, some people may find it funny that a gay guy is forced to suck a dildo on camera in an apartment in which he was lured to, but it gets old fast.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @4Dchessmaster

    I hope that I am wrong and that AK is right, but my gut feeling is that in the next few years the stability will be in short supply in Russia or anywhere else around the world. And it is in the darkest and the craziest times that people such as Tesak are the most capable of enacting change even though they mostly themselves do not benefit from this change.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  186. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    https://simple-fauna.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/polyarnyj-volk-1.jpg

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    https://content.eol.org/data/media/7f/d4/74/542.4067440134.jpg

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltSerrice

    I think Daniel Chieh has a good point.

    The tendency of emigres to get stuck at the point of history at which they left their country has often been noted. Glossy lives in a fantasy USSR (left in 80s iirc). Peter Akuleyev regards it as the dirty, dilapidated wasteland of the 1990s that he left. And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).

    This is not a criticism or anything of the sort, to the contrary, I can now see where you’re coming from. I obviously don’t endorse it, though, since the consequences of what you wish for are likely to be more ruinous than not for Russia and the people who live there, which happen to include myself.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You are being right here. See my reply to Daniel. Problem is, it will most probably be ruinous anyway. These bastards are killing Russia anyway, but slowly.

    When I look back I often have the feeling that adaptation is sometimes a mistake. There are certain boundaries that we should not cross in our will to adapt or survive.

    Not as a people, not as an individual. As a genetic lineage perhaps, but this applies only to those who chose to have a family and children. Which I did.

    I actually thanked my wife a couple of days ago for making me a less extreme and more balanced individual. She had a good laugh cause she remembers whom I was when we met 22 years ago.

    , @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).
     
    He doesn't live in Russia currently? I mean, it's his own business, but I'm not following what you're implying. 1992-3 seems the crucial turning point to me, at least, as it was the last chance Russia had to turn towards a Chinese model of development, before the oligarchs had fully consolidated their stranglehold on Russia's politics and they hadn't yet sold the state's resources out totally.

    Мне за державу обидно.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  187. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I highly respect 君子报仇,十年未晚 but it does lead one down some interesting valleys and theories, methinks.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I was just thinking about buying a plane ticket and going back home to not miss all the fun as I missed it in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    Trust me, I'm often in the same mood for blood. It might not be "reasonable" or "optimal" but the thought that innocent and good people died for nothing while their predators profit from their corpses rankles on a very deep, spiritual level.

    , @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    "...in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people..." - Could you expand on it? What events and which people are you alluding to?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's almost like a reference?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961


    I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.
     

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  188. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    I think Daniel Chieh has a good point.

    The tendency of emigres to get stuck at the point of history at which they left their country has often been noted. Glossy lives in a fantasy USSR (left in 80s iirc). Peter Akuleyev regards it as the dirty, dilapidated wasteland of the 1990s that he left. And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).

    This is not a criticism or anything of the sort, to the contrary, I can now see where you're coming from. I obviously don't endorse it, though, since the consequences of what you wish for are likely to be more ruinous than not for Russia and the people who live there, which happen to include myself.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Yevardian

    You are being right here. See my reply to Daniel. Problem is, it will most probably be ruinous anyway. These bastards are killing Russia anyway, but slowly.

    When I look back I often have the feeling that adaptation is sometimes a mistake. There are certain boundaries that we should not cross in our will to adapt or survive.

    Not as a people, not as an individual. As a genetic lineage perhaps, but this applies only to those who chose to have a family and children. Which I did.

    I actually thanked my wife a couple of days ago for making me a less extreme and more balanced individual. She had a good laugh cause she remembers whom I was when we met 22 years ago.

  189. @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    I was just thinking about buying a plane ticket and going back home to not miss all the fun as I missed it in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @utu, @Dmitry

    Trust me, I’m often in the same mood for blood. It might not be “reasonable” or “optimal” but the thought that innocent and good people died for nothing while their predators profit from their corpses rankles on a very deep, spiritual level.

  190. @4Dchessmaster
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don't think Tesak would have been a headache for anybody had he been released in 2017 for example. His peak years were from the documentary in which he was featured in 2004. That time was the best for any real progress from Tesak's clique. Russia is more stable now and Tesak's behaviour was not always easy for the Russian public to stomach. Sure, some people may find it funny that a gay guy is forced to suck a dildo on camera in an apartment in which he was lured to, but it gets old fast.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I hope that I am wrong and that AK is right, but my gut feeling is that in the next few years the stability will be in short supply in Russia or anywhere else around the world. And it is in the darkest and the craziest times that people such as Tesak are the most capable of enacting change even though they mostly themselves do not benefit from this change.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well, if passionary and psychos is what we need, Russia still has no shortage of them. :|

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQh3gTiKL4&ab_channel=CzarTalks

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  191. @Bashibuzuk
    @4Dchessmaster

    I hope that I am wrong and that AK is right, but my gut feeling is that in the next few years the stability will be in short supply in Russia or anywhere else around the world. And it is in the darkest and the craziest times that people such as Tesak are the most capable of enacting change even though they mostly themselves do not benefit from this change.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, if passionary and psychos is what we need, Russia still has no shortage of them. 😐

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Mil'chakov is an extreme example. But yes I believe that any civilization needs the right amount of passionarity in the Gumilyov's sense.

    Slavs have always had many of very passionate people, which made their societies less stable and more chaotic. But having too few of them would have lead to a collapse in their populations' vitality and probably allowed for conquest and assimilation by other neighboring ethnic and cultural groups.

    Arguably, the whole history of Russian twentieth century is the process of culling of the most passionate Russians through wars, revolutions and all sorts of social upheaval. In fact, perhaps the whole period of Romanov dynasty, at least since the Raskol, might be described as a "domestication" of the Rus spirit.

    But this is perhaps too extreme an opinion. Although when one analyzes what Romanovs did since at least Peter the Great's times, one is entitled to draw this conclusion.

  192. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A snake stays a snake, and a jackal stays a jackal even among the lions, while a wolf is always a wolf even if he wears the sheep hide.

    We cannot truly change our deepest nature Tolik, you will learn that as you grow older. The only important thing is to find out who you truly are and where you truly belong.

    In your case it would be whether you are a wolf or a jackal, cause you are clearly not a sheep and neither you are a lion.

    A slight difference and yet:

    Are you a Northern Wolf

    https://simple-fauna.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/polyarnyj-volk-1.jpg

    Or a middle eastern jackal

    https://content.eol.org/data/media/7f/d4/74/542.4067440134.jpg

    And yeah, individual survival is overrated. There are more important things in this existence.

    Reflect upon that.

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltSerrice

    Esoteric cringeposting.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltSerrice

    Theres nothing esoteric about it and it feels cringe just because you lack the needed cultural references.

    https://youtu.be/aV_7D4D7A_I

    This might help.

    😄

  193. @Shortsword
    @Philip Owen


    Meanwhile cheese is now 600 roubles a kilo due to the massive and predictable success of subsided import substitution in raising prices. Export tariffs and bans on field crops are also happening in a fairly desperate effort to push down input prices for the overinvested meat and dairy industries. Autarky has its disadvantages.
     
    Russia has gone from $16B agricultural exports in 2013 to $30B in 2020. But the agricultural production and export was already increasing on good pace before 2014. What would the difference be in 2020 without food import substitution?

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Philip Owen

    Meat production was 10.8 m tonnes.in 2019. If chicken, then 20m tonnes of grain (after deducting soya from the feed). If pork, 60m tonnes of grain. I will go for 25m tonnes. Prior to import substitution RU imported 60% of meat. So let’s say local meat production has reduced grain export potential by 15m tonnes. Even so records are being broken.

  194. @AltSerrice
    @Bashibuzuk

    Esoteric cringeposting.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Theres nothing esoteric about it and it feels cringe just because you lack the needed cultural references.

    This might help.

    😄

  195. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well, if passionary and psychos is what we need, Russia still has no shortage of them. :|

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQh3gTiKL4&ab_channel=CzarTalks

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Mil’chakov is an extreme example. But yes I believe that any civilization needs the right amount of passionarity in the Gumilyov’s sense.

    Slavs have always had many of very passionate people, which made their societies less stable and more chaotic. But having too few of them would have lead to a collapse in their populations’ vitality and probably allowed for conquest and assimilation by other neighboring ethnic and cultural groups.

    Arguably, the whole history of Russian twentieth century is the process of culling of the most passionate Russians through wars, revolutions and all sorts of social upheaval. In fact, perhaps the whole period of Romanov dynasty, at least since the Raskol, might be described as a “domestication” of the Rus spirit.

    But this is perhaps too extreme an opinion. Although when one analyzes what Romanovs did since at least Peter the Great’s times, one is entitled to draw this conclusion.

  196. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    I think Daniel Chieh has a good point.

    The tendency of emigres to get stuck at the point of history at which they left their country has often been noted. Glossy lives in a fantasy USSR (left in 80s iirc). Peter Akuleyev regards it as the dirty, dilapidated wasteland of the 1990s that he left. And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).

    This is not a criticism or anything of the sort, to the contrary, I can now see where you're coming from. I obviously don't endorse it, though, since the consequences of what you wish for are likely to be more ruinous than not for Russia and the people who live there, which happen to include myself.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Yevardian

    And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).

    He doesn’t live in Russia currently? I mean, it’s his own business, but I’m not following what you’re implying. 1992-3 seems the crucial turning point to me, at least, as it was the last chance Russia had to turn towards a Chinese model of development, before the oligarchs had fully consolidated their stranglehold on Russia’s politics and they hadn’t yet sold the state’s resources out totally.

    Мне за державу обидно.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Yevardian


    He doesn’t live in Russia currently?
     
    No we left in 1997.

    I agree with what you wrote, but I would think that perhaps the last chance was in the 1996 election that was actually won by Communists, but was shamelessly stolen.

    Мне за державу обидно
     
    И людей жалко.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  197. @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    And you seem to be obsessed with 1993 to an extent that I only now comprehend (there being no such nationalists in Russia itself to serve as guideposts).
     
    He doesn't live in Russia currently? I mean, it's his own business, but I'm not following what you're implying. 1992-3 seems the crucial turning point to me, at least, as it was the last chance Russia had to turn towards a Chinese model of development, before the oligarchs had fully consolidated their stranglehold on Russia's politics and they hadn't yet sold the state's resources out totally.

    Мне за державу обидно.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    He doesn’t live in Russia currently?

    No we left in 1997.

    I agree with what you wrote, but I would think that perhaps the last chance was in the 1996 election that was actually won by Communists, but was shamelessly stolen.

    Мне за державу обидно

    И людей жалко.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    И людей жалко.
     
    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane... Especially when nation undergoes thrice, less than in one century, such turmoils...

    Dont worry Bashibuzuk in the future the scars of the Russias people will be like glistering ornaments. Not a source of afflictions but signs of wisdom and experience! Everything is decaying and crumbling, all those things that we and our ancestors believed to be fundamentals of human existence, everything from faith to sexuality, from family to genders, in the far away future the experiences of the Russian nation will give them spiritual and moral protection to survive through turbulent times, protection which people like Americans and French lack. The history will not end, no matter if its the year 2021 or 2424.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  198. @Bashibuzuk
    @Yevardian


    He doesn’t live in Russia currently?
     
    No we left in 1997.

    I agree with what you wrote, but I would think that perhaps the last chance was in the 1996 election that was actually won by Communists, but was shamelessly stolen.

    Мне за державу обидно
     
    И людей жалко.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    И людей жалко.

    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane… Especially when nation undergoes thrice, less than in one century, such turmoils…

    Dont worry Bashibuzuk in the future the scars of the Russias people will be like glistering ornaments. Not a source of afflictions but signs of wisdom and experience! Everything is decaying and crumbling, all those things that we and our ancestors believed to be fundamentals of human existence, everything from faith to sexuality, from family to genders, in the far away future the experiences of the Russian nation will give them spiritual and moral protection to survive through turbulent times, protection which people like Americans and French lack. The history will not end, no matter if its the year 2021 or 2424.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane…
     


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/05/b2/ee05b2ba7e3277035a52253cfad82ff0.jpg

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/moscow-mcdonalds-1990.jpg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi

  199. @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    I was just thinking about buying a plane ticket and going back home to not miss all the fun as I missed it in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @utu, @Dmitry

    “…in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people…” – Could you expand on it? What events and which people are you alluding to?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    The Supreme Soviet standing against the illegal power grab by Yeltsin. From the point of view of the first Russian constitution he didn't have the right to dissolve the freely and legally elected parliament to enforce the continuation of the destructive reforms. Both nationalists and communists, right and left stood against him and his clique, they were the majority of MPs. The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu's men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process. The instigators of the stand off, the politicians, were tried and imprisoned for a time, then released in a bargain with Yeltsin and his clique. The constitution was rewritten, the Parliament renamed the Duma and the privatization was completed. The oligarchic class was created from scratch. The Western powers and Russophobic former USSR neighbors applauded.

    My mother was with the Orthodox nationalists every evening after work, cooking food and taking care of the kids that some parents brought there because they had none to leave them with. The day of the attack she was sick, that's why she stayed at home. I was abroad and that's why I only learned of the attack against the parliament on the TV and read about it in the news papers. The French journalists were quite supportive of Yeltsin's actions, none spoke about the real number of victims. And they didn't talk about the legal and constitutional side of the whole thing either.

    Replies: @utu, @Bashibuzuk

  200. @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    "...in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people..." - Could you expand on it? What events and which people are you alluding to?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The Supreme Soviet standing against the illegal power grab by Yeltsin. From the point of view of the first Russian constitution he didn’t have the right to dissolve the freely and legally elected parliament to enforce the continuation of the destructive reforms. Both nationalists and communists, right and left stood against him and his clique, they were the majority of MPs. The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu’s men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process. The instigators of the stand off, the politicians, were tried and imprisoned for a time, then released in a bargain with Yeltsin and his clique. The constitution was rewritten, the Parliament renamed the Duma and the privatization was completed. The oligarchic class was created from scratch. The Western powers and Russophobic former USSR neighbors applauded.

    My mother was with the Orthodox nationalists every evening after work, cooking food and taking care of the kids that some parents brought there because they had none to leave them with. The day of the attack she was sick, that’s why she stayed at home. I was abroad and that’s why I only learned of the attack against the parliament on the TV and read about it in the news papers. The French journalists were quite supportive of Yeltsin’s actions, none spoke about the real number of victims. And they didn’t talk about the legal and constitutional side of the whole thing either.

    • Thanks: utu, TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @utu
    @Bashibuzuk


    The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu’s men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process.
     
    How many people were killed that we know for sure? Is there a list of names people who allegedly were killed or went missing?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://youtu.be/gevnNDUZntk

    When the parliament was taken by the Yeltsin's troops, the MPs were arrested and taken into buses. At the end of the video, when the bus is leaving the Parliament we can hear gun shots. That's the beginning of the execution of the prisoners. It was in the late evening. People who live nearby tell that the execution lasted all night until around 5:00 in the morning after. The majority of the killed prisoners were executed in one of the corners of the nearby Krasnaya Presnya stadium, but some were also shot while trying to escape through the neighboring streets.

    https://pikabu.ru/story/rasstrel_na_stadione_krasnaya_presnya_5384892

    They sorted out the prisoners and shot the young men. Some of the prisoners were just teenagers they shot them as well. They took their documents before shooting them. So later on it was impossible to know who was who and anyway nobody was really interested into having a honest fact checking.

    One last thing, just like in Ukraine in 2014, the first shots again both the police and the defenders of the Parliament were supposedly fired by some "unknown snipers ". The whole violence erupted after this provocations.

  201. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    The Supreme Soviet standing against the illegal power grab by Yeltsin. From the point of view of the first Russian constitution he didn't have the right to dissolve the freely and legally elected parliament to enforce the continuation of the destructive reforms. Both nationalists and communists, right and left stood against him and his clique, they were the majority of MPs. The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu's men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process. The instigators of the stand off, the politicians, were tried and imprisoned for a time, then released in a bargain with Yeltsin and his clique. The constitution was rewritten, the Parliament renamed the Duma and the privatization was completed. The oligarchic class was created from scratch. The Western powers and Russophobic former USSR neighbors applauded.

    My mother was with the Orthodox nationalists every evening after work, cooking food and taking care of the kids that some parents brought there because they had none to leave them with. The day of the attack she was sick, that's why she stayed at home. I was abroad and that's why I only learned of the attack against the parliament on the TV and read about it in the news papers. The French journalists were quite supportive of Yeltsin's actions, none spoke about the real number of victims. And they didn't talk about the legal and constitutional side of the whole thing either.

    Replies: @utu, @Bashibuzuk

    The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu’s men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process.

    How many people were killed that we know for sure? Is there a list of names people who allegedly were killed or went missing?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    It's all still classified. The estimates run from a few hundred killed to around 1500 killed.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

  202. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    The Supreme Soviet standing against the illegal power grab by Yeltsin. From the point of view of the first Russian constitution he didn't have the right to dissolve the freely and legally elected parliament to enforce the continuation of the destructive reforms. Both nationalists and communists, right and left stood against him and his clique, they were the majority of MPs. The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu's men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process. The instigators of the stand off, the politicians, were tried and imprisoned for a time, then released in a bargain with Yeltsin and his clique. The constitution was rewritten, the Parliament renamed the Duma and the privatization was completed. The oligarchic class was created from scratch. The Western powers and Russophobic former USSR neighbors applauded.

    My mother was with the Orthodox nationalists every evening after work, cooking food and taking care of the kids that some parents brought there because they had none to leave them with. The day of the attack she was sick, that's why she stayed at home. I was abroad and that's why I only learned of the attack against the parliament on the TV and read about it in the news papers. The French journalists were quite supportive of Yeltsin's actions, none spoke about the real number of victims. And they didn't talk about the legal and constitutional side of the whole thing either.

    Replies: @utu, @Bashibuzuk

    When the parliament was taken by the Yeltsin’s troops, the MPs were arrested and taken into buses. At the end of the video, when the bus is leaving the Parliament we can hear gun shots. That’s the beginning of the execution of the prisoners. It was in the late evening. People who live nearby tell that the execution lasted all night until around 5:00 in the morning after. The majority of the killed prisoners were executed in one of the corners of the nearby Krasnaya Presnya stadium, but some were also shot while trying to escape through the neighboring streets.

    https://pikabu.ru/story/rasstrel_na_stadione_krasnaya_presnya_5384892

    They sorted out the prisoners and shot the young men. Some of the prisoners were just teenagers they shot them as well. They took their documents before shooting them. So later on it was impossible to know who was who and anyway nobody was really interested into having a honest fact checking.

    One last thing, just like in Ukraine in 2014, the first shots again both the police and the defenders of the Parliament were supposedly fired by some “unknown snipers “. The whole violence erupted after this provocations.

    • Thanks: utu
  203. @utu
    @Bashibuzuk


    The media called them the Red-Browns, the military and Shoigu’s men went all in against them after a provocation and they were killed, hundreds of them. Some say up to 1500 people, but we will never know, the numbers are still classified. Many were executed in the next 24 hours by death squads after putting down arms, surrendering and being arrested. They were killed without any due process.
     
    How many people were killed that we know for sure? Is there a list of names people who allegedly were killed or went missing?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    It’s all still classified. The estimates run from a few hundred killed to around 1500 killed.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    The official numbers are around 150. These are bodies who were taken to morgues and hospitals and therefore were registered and counted.

    But those who were executed on the stadium, in the basement of the Parliament and in the nearby streets have not been taken to the morgues and therefore have never been counted. They were shot down and the next day they were supposedly taken into the crematoria of the Moscow oblast where they were burned.

    https://kprf.ru/history/soviet/188463.html

    That's the Communist's end of the story. Of course they are not a neutral party and their witness is not impartial. That's why I don't think we will ever know how many people really died there.

    Replies: @utu

    , @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    I found this:

    The snipers of Black October
    https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2013/10/12/the_snipers_of_black_october_30103

    and this

    Жертвы Черного Октября
    https://krasnoobsk.su/images/KULTURA/ISTORIIA/Okt1993/9.pdf

    where supposedly it is claimed (I still have to find it) that arrested people who were taken to the stadium were executed there.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  204. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    It's all still classified. The estimates run from a few hundred killed to around 1500 killed.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    The official numbers are around 150. These are bodies who were taken to morgues and hospitals and therefore were registered and counted.

    But those who were executed on the stadium, in the basement of the Parliament and in the nearby streets have not been taken to the morgues and therefore have never been counted. They were shot down and the next day they were supposedly taken into the crematoria of the Moscow oblast where they were burned.

    https://kprf.ru/history/soviet/188463.html

    That’s the Communist’s end of the story. Of course they are not a neutral party and their witness is not impartial. That’s why I don’t think we will ever know how many people really died there.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thanks for the link. I was not aware of the scope of the event.

    That the number of dead is being covered up I can understand. But if indeed people were systematically executed and tortured.... That there are allegations of snipers shooting from around the US embassy and the allegation of armed Jewish Betar unit.... This puts the event and the crime in entirely different category. It deserves to b described in a separate article in Ron Unz's American Pravda series.

  205. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    It's all still classified. The estimates run from a few hundred killed to around 1500 killed.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @utu

    I found this:

    The snipers of Black October
    https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2013/10/12/the_snipers_of_black_october_30103

    and this

    Жертвы Черного Октября
    https://krasnoobsk.su/images/KULTURA/ISTORIIA/Okt1993/9.pdf

    where supposedly it is claimed (I still have to find it) that arrested people who were taken to the stadium were executed there.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    They supposedly killed people on the stadium, in the nearby streets and in the entrances of some nearby buildings and in the nearby yards. Also many people were killed on the upper floors of the building when the tanks fired several dozen shells (some say more than 60). The upper levels actually burned, people burned there beyond recognition.

    But yes, the stadium was most probably the main execution site for the arrested prisoners. And many witnesses tell about them targeting the young men, young women (some were supposedly raped before being killed), the Cossacks and the RNA ultranationalists who were easy to recognize because they wore uniforms.

    Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. They supposedly received weapons from Shoigu and his Ministry of Emergency Affairs. This might explain why the Cossacks and the nationalists were targeted more. The young people were most probably executed to lower the number of potential future radicals.

    And it actually worked. In a country of 150 million people, the execution of a maximum of around 1500 people allowed to completely change the constitution, impose privatization and effect a radical social change. When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war. He did not have enough courage to stand his ground and gave up. He became the well paid leader of the official opposition and is still agitating for Putin today.

    Replies: @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

  206. @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    I found this:

    The snipers of Black October
    https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2013/10/12/the_snipers_of_black_october_30103

    and this

    Жертвы Черного Октября
    https://krasnoobsk.su/images/KULTURA/ISTORIIA/Okt1993/9.pdf

    where supposedly it is claimed (I still have to find it) that arrested people who were taken to the stadium were executed there.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    They supposedly killed people on the stadium, in the nearby streets and in the entrances of some nearby buildings and in the nearby yards. Also many people were killed on the upper floors of the building when the tanks fired several dozen shells (some say more than 60). The upper levels actually burned, people burned there beyond recognition.

    But yes, the stadium was most probably the main execution site for the arrested prisoners. And many witnesses tell about them targeting the young men, young women (some were supposedly raped before being killed), the Cossacks and the RNA ultranationalists who were easy to recognize because they wore uniforms.

    Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. They supposedly received weapons from Shoigu and his Ministry of Emergency Affairs. This might explain why the Cossacks and the nationalists were targeted more. The young people were most probably executed to lower the number of potential future radicals.

    And it actually worked. In a country of 150 million people, the execution of a maximum of around 1500 people allowed to completely change the constitution, impose privatization and effect a radical social change. When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war. He did not have enough courage to stand his ground and gave up. He became the well paid leader of the official opposition and is still agitating for Putin today.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    "Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. " - Interesting.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war.
     
    This is a popular legend quasi-endorsed by the current kremlins (because Yeltsin is now hated), but a legend nonetheless.

    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov's 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.

    More detailed writeup here: https://kireev.livejournal.com/660975.html

    Demoralized 1990s Russians brought up under Soviet "world peace"/"brotherhood of peoples" idealism were just very easily manipulated by people who hated them, it's as simple as that. They were weak.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    Execution of nationalists by Shoigu's Jewish youth movements, sounds a little like the story of a Tarantino film.

    I can't find anything about a youth group called "Beitar", except on nationalist sites.
    But this is the name of the famous football team in Jerusalem with ultra-racist Arab Jewish fans, that riot in Jerusalem and add "Death to Arabs" signs.

    In 2005, Gaidamak bought the football team "Beitar", which is probably how the name "Beitar" entered the Russian media. Although Gaidamak does add some Muslim players in the team. https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-beitar-jerusalems-racist-fans-ruining-israeli-soccer

    "Beitar" is famous for its policy to refuse to hire Arab players. Last month, there seems to be a trolling of the racist football fans, as "Beitar" was half purchased by the UAE royal family.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqUgN2wjXN4

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  207. @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    The official numbers are around 150. These are bodies who were taken to morgues and hospitals and therefore were registered and counted.

    But those who were executed on the stadium, in the basement of the Parliament and in the nearby streets have not been taken to the morgues and therefore have never been counted. They were shot down and the next day they were supposedly taken into the crematoria of the Moscow oblast where they were burned.

    https://kprf.ru/history/soviet/188463.html

    That's the Communist's end of the story. Of course they are not a neutral party and their witness is not impartial. That's why I don't think we will ever know how many people really died there.

    Replies: @utu

    Thanks for the link. I was not aware of the scope of the event.

    That the number of dead is being covered up I can understand. But if indeed people were systematically executed and tortured…. That there are allegations of snipers shooting from around the US embassy and the allegation of armed Jewish Betar unit…. This puts the event and the crime in entirely different category. It deserves to b described in a separate article in Ron Unz’s American Pravda series.

  208. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    They supposedly killed people on the stadium, in the nearby streets and in the entrances of some nearby buildings and in the nearby yards. Also many people were killed on the upper floors of the building when the tanks fired several dozen shells (some say more than 60). The upper levels actually burned, people burned there beyond recognition.

    But yes, the stadium was most probably the main execution site for the arrested prisoners. And many witnesses tell about them targeting the young men, young women (some were supposedly raped before being killed), the Cossacks and the RNA ultranationalists who were easy to recognize because they wore uniforms.

    Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. They supposedly received weapons from Shoigu and his Ministry of Emergency Affairs. This might explain why the Cossacks and the nationalists were targeted more. The young people were most probably executed to lower the number of potential future radicals.

    And it actually worked. In a country of 150 million people, the execution of a maximum of around 1500 people allowed to completely change the constitution, impose privatization and effect a radical social change. When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war. He did not have enough courage to stand his ground and gave up. He became the well paid leader of the official opposition and is still agitating for Putin today.

    Replies: @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    “Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. “ – Interesting.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    The Betar angle might have been just an urban legend in the Russian ultranationalist fringe circles. And even if true it would probably be impossible to prove today.

  209. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Why the hell should I or anyone care about the very important opinions of second-rate Russian oligarchs? The key decision-making body in Russia is the Security Council, not Mordashov or Friedman, at least last time I checked. In any case, Friedman has never hidden his antipathy to Russia and pro-Western sympathies, though unlike Khodorkovsky he has been bright enough to keep it low key. His son running about with the pronouns-in-bio people is one of the least surprising things in the world.

    Regarding Chubais - at this point, he is literally more based than you are:


    Петр Авен: Вы ближе с Чубайсом, чем со мной. Он менял взгляды радикально. Я говорил Чубайсу, что свои идеологические предпочтения не поменял с 1992 года, а он поменял достаточно сильно. Он рекламировал мне этот «Спутник и Погром», что удивительно слышать от человека, который в 1992 году был в нашем правительстве.

    Станислав Белковский: Ну Анатолий Борисович, мне кажется, тоже в значительной степени стал заложником своей семейной ситуации. Ему нужно было куда-то пристать. В какой-то степени «Спутник и Погром» — это следствие того эстетизма, который привила ему нынешняя супруга, для которой эстетические оценки значительно важнее этических.
     
    Reflect upon that, LOL.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @reiner Tor

    I didn’t know that about Chubais.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    I don't believe a second that Chubais changed his opinions about Russia and the Russian people.

    BTW there were also rumors of Stan Belkovsky cosying up to the Russian nationalists. And frankly, why not? If Kolomoisky and his oligarchic buddies were able to use the Ukrainian ultranationalists to take and keep power, why not using the same tactics in Russia if and when needed?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/friend/26740757/582927/582927_original.jpg

    That's Prosvirnin of Sputnik & Pogrom with Sobtchak (the daughter of Putin's former boss) and Stan Belkovsky.

    When the Devil plays chess he plays on both ends of the chessboard...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

  210. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    И людей жалко.
     
    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane... Especially when nation undergoes thrice, less than in one century, such turmoils...

    Dont worry Bashibuzuk in the future the scars of the Russias people will be like glistering ornaments. Not a source of afflictions but signs of wisdom and experience! Everything is decaying and crumbling, all those things that we and our ancestors believed to be fundamentals of human existence, everything from faith to sexuality, from family to genders, in the far away future the experiences of the Russian nation will give them spiritual and moral protection to survive through turbulent times, protection which people like Americans and French lack. The history will not end, no matter if its the year 2021 or 2424.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane…

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Are you certain that you are less susceptible to manipulation today than your parents were back then?

    Your opinions seem to show otherwise...

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    But was it good?


    It is always good when stupidity is punished.
     
  211. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    They supposedly killed people on the stadium, in the nearby streets and in the entrances of some nearby buildings and in the nearby yards. Also many people were killed on the upper floors of the building when the tanks fired several dozen shells (some say more than 60). The upper levels actually burned, people burned there beyond recognition.

    But yes, the stadium was most probably the main execution site for the arrested prisoners. And many witnesses tell about them targeting the young men, young women (some were supposedly raped before being killed), the Cossacks and the RNA ultranationalists who were easy to recognize because they wore uniforms.

    Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. They supposedly received weapons from Shoigu and his Ministry of Emergency Affairs. This might explain why the Cossacks and the nationalists were targeted more. The young people were most probably executed to lower the number of potential future radicals.

    And it actually worked. In a country of 150 million people, the execution of a maximum of around 1500 people allowed to completely change the constitution, impose privatization and effect a radical social change. When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war. He did not have enough courage to stand his ground and gave up. He became the well paid leader of the official opposition and is still agitating for Putin today.

    Replies: @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war.

    This is a popular legend quasi-endorsed by the current kremlins (because Yeltsin is now hated), but a legend nonetheless.

    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov’s 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.

    More detailed writeup here: https://kireev.livejournal.com/660975.html

    Demoralized 1990s Russians brought up under Soviet “world peace”/”brotherhood of peoples” idealism were just very easily manipulated by people who hated them, it’s as simple as that. They were weak.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Disagree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov’s 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.
     
    Just like Biden against Trump.

    But Tolik, I was there,..

    😉

    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on. You are right about my attitude being anachronistic and due to immigration.

    Yeltsin won due to outright fraud and also manipulation by the MSM which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin's election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.

    https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-06-18/WSWS-rasskazal-kak-v-1996

    And they have used the spoiler vote for General Lebed' whom they presented to the nationalists as a potential "Russian Pinochet". He got 14% of the vote in the first round and then transferred his votes to Yeltsin in the second round. This transfer was a very bad surprise to all the patriotic-minded people

    I remember seeing on a wall in an elektrichka (commuter train) the following graffiti: "Лебедь стал раком". This graffiti was a little more original than "Ельцин палач и жид" or "Россией правит труп" that were way more common back then. Of course General Lebed' later conveniently died in a helicopter crash, which might had been entirely accidental (most probably not). Interestingly enough, Lebed' died after Putin coming to power.

    And we should not forget about the help that Yeltsin had of course received from the oligarchs who gained an immense power since 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semibankirschina

    But other than that, Yeltsin won the election fair and square.

    https://youtu.be/jptE2SQyKaU

    Just like Biden against Trump (but I repeat myself)..

    🙂

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

  212. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war.
     
    This is a popular legend quasi-endorsed by the current kremlins (because Yeltsin is now hated), but a legend nonetheless.

    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov's 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.

    More detailed writeup here: https://kireev.livejournal.com/660975.html

    Demoralized 1990s Russians brought up under Soviet "world peace"/"brotherhood of peoples" idealism were just very easily manipulated by people who hated them, it's as simple as that. They were weak.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov’s 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.

    Just like Biden against Trump.

    But Tolik, I was there,..

    😉

    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on. You are right about my attitude being anachronistic and due to immigration.

    Yeltsin won due to outright fraud and also manipulation by the MSM which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin’s election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.

    https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-06-18/WSWS-rasskazal-kak-v-1996

    And they have used the spoiler vote for General Lebed’ whom they presented to the nationalists as a potential “Russian Pinochet”. He got 14% of the vote in the first round and then transferred his votes to Yeltsin in the second round. This transfer was a very bad surprise to all the patriotic-minded people

    I remember seeing on a wall in an elektrichka (commuter train) the following graffiti: “Лебедь стал раком”. This graffiti was a little more original than “Ельцин палач и жид” or “Россией правит труп” that were way more common back then. Of course General Lebed’ later conveniently died in a helicopter crash, which might had been entirely accidental (most probably not). Interestingly enough, Lebed’ died after Putin coming to power.

    And we should not forget about the help that Yeltsin had of course received from the oligarchs who gained an immense power since 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semibankirschina

    But other than that, Yeltsin won the election fair and square.

    Just like Biden against Trump (but I repeat myself)..

    🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    I wanted to click agree button but I disagree about "Just like Biden against Trump." American elections probably had some fraud, but on a much smaller scale than Russias in 1996, maybe few hundred thousand or million votes, but not anywhere as much as there was fraud when Yeltsin got elected a second time. But thats just my personal opinion, based on my intuition, so dont take it too seriously....

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on.
     
    It feels embarrassing now, hence memoryholed. But Yeltsin was not hated in 1996, and Russians were some of the biggest Americanophiles in the world at that time: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/when-russians-were-americanophiles/

    Anyhow, I don't feel like debating the point, I'd rather do more productive work. There is data (maps, opinion polls, etc.) and there are wishful assertions.

    ... which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin’s election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.
     
    Correct. Media coverage being unfair and one candidate having the propagandistic backing of foreign powers does not make an election "stolen", however. Especially not when the gap between them in the second round is 13% points.
  213. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane…
     


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/05/b2/ee05b2ba7e3277035a52253cfad82ff0.jpg

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/moscow-mcdonalds-1990.jpg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi

    Are you certain that you are less susceptible to manipulation today than your parents were back then?

    Your opinions seem to show otherwise…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    He can correct me, but I think Karlin immigrated to Russia a few years ago and that definitely he lives in Moscow.

    It's natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country's authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.

    Authorities are very good at marketing, especially in Russia. Cynicism often requires a decade or so to acquire, after a person has soaked in the country. And of course, Moscow is a successful city, and there is objective improvements constantly there.

    -

    A cycle of maturity for the consumer of news and politics, follows something like:

    Illusionment. -> Disillusionment (and perhaps some cynicism and spectatorship) -> ? Wisdom (Montaigne's "solitarium")

    An advantage of growing up listening to the overpromising authorities as in Russia, can be something "accelerated cycle". It needs about a decade of listening to "we going to be world leaders in nanotechnology in ten years", without counting how many bottles of Moet that "nanotechnology" buys for "effective managers" in Saint-Tropez.

    To be immigrants in general, though, is often feeling like a second childhood, and a desire to rebelieve. Probably the main people who feel strongest the "American dream" is alive in New York today, are people who voluntarily choose to live there (i.e. the people who immigrated there from a different country). Living abroad for only a few years, I feel myself often the enchantment of the country, perhaps more than the local people.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  214. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I didn’t know that about Chubais.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I don’t believe a second that Chubais changed his opinions about Russia and the Russian people.

    BTW there were also rumors of Stan Belkovsky cosying up to the Russian nationalists. And frankly, why not? If Kolomoisky and his oligarchic buddies were able to use the Ukrainian ultranationalists to take and keep power, why not using the same tactics in Russia if and when needed?

    That’s Prosvirnin of Sputnik & Pogrom with Sobtchak (the daughter of Putin’s former boss) and Stan Belkovsky.

    When the Devil plays chess he plays on both ends of the chessboard…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    Prosvirnin would have his photo taken with anyone he thought was influential imo, so I don’t think it's meaningful. I'm not going as far as to accuse him that self-interest is his only motive, but God it seems a strong one.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    And Julia Ioffe is a (not so) secret Alt Right sympathizer, I assume.

    https://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/meeting-ioffe-spencer.jpg

    , @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    Я всегда знал, что Собчак тайная назболька

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

  215. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov’s 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.
     
    Just like Biden against Trump.

    But Tolik, I was there,..

    😉

    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on. You are right about my attitude being anachronistic and due to immigration.

    Yeltsin won due to outright fraud and also manipulation by the MSM which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin's election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.

    https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-06-18/WSWS-rasskazal-kak-v-1996

    And they have used the spoiler vote for General Lebed' whom they presented to the nationalists as a potential "Russian Pinochet". He got 14% of the vote in the first round and then transferred his votes to Yeltsin in the second round. This transfer was a very bad surprise to all the patriotic-minded people

    I remember seeing on a wall in an elektrichka (commuter train) the following graffiti: "Лебедь стал раком". This graffiti was a little more original than "Ельцин палач и жид" or "Россией правит труп" that were way more common back then. Of course General Lebed' later conveniently died in a helicopter crash, which might had been entirely accidental (most probably not). Interestingly enough, Lebed' died after Putin coming to power.

    And we should not forget about the help that Yeltsin had of course received from the oligarchs who gained an immense power since 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semibankirschina

    But other than that, Yeltsin won the election fair and square.

    https://youtu.be/jptE2SQyKaU

    Just like Biden against Trump (but I repeat myself)..

    🙂

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

    I wanted to click agree button but I disagree about “Just like Biden against Trump.” American elections probably had some fraud, but on a much smaller scale than Russias in 1996, maybe few hundred thousand or million votes, but not anywhere as much as there was fraud when Yeltsin got elected a second time. But thats just my personal opinion, based on my intuition, so dont take it too seriously….

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I agree, I have read somewhere on The Internets that the votes stolen or forged to ensure Biden winning might have numbered in a few tens of thousands, but as Run Unz has aptly written, the whole election process was irremediably corrupt (MSM and Big Tech disinformation and censorship, election software manipulation, mail in ballots manipulation, political violence...).

    Basically, the USA is not a free market democratic society anymore (if it ever was at all). Just like 1991 USSR, prior to its collapse was not a Socialist society anymore (if it ever was at all). And that is an important point to make: USA today is the equivalent of the 1991 USSR, not 1996 RusFed. USA still has to go through its 1993 crisis (disarming American people must be justified somehow) before getting to its 1996 point of no turning back social transformation.

    History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes.

    It is also a dialectical phenomenon. As I wrote above, when Devil plays chess he sits at the both sides of the chessboard...

    🙂

  216. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    Were they punished for their stupidity Karlin? They were naive and foolish, but such punishment was too much, too inhumane…
     


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/05/b2/ee05b2ba7e3277035a52253cfad82ff0.jpg

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/moscow-mcdonalds-1990.jpg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi

    But was it good?

    It is always good when stupidity is punished.

  217. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    I wanted to click agree button but I disagree about "Just like Biden against Trump." American elections probably had some fraud, but on a much smaller scale than Russias in 1996, maybe few hundred thousand or million votes, but not anywhere as much as there was fraud when Yeltsin got elected a second time. But thats just my personal opinion, based on my intuition, so dont take it too seriously....

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I agree, I have read somewhere on The Internets that the votes stolen or forged to ensure Biden winning might have numbered in a few tens of thousands, but as Run Unz has aptly written, the whole election process was irremediably corrupt (MSM and Big Tech disinformation and censorship, election software manipulation, mail in ballots manipulation, political violence…).

    Basically, the USA is not a free market democratic society anymore (if it ever was at all). Just like 1991 USSR, prior to its collapse was not a Socialist society anymore (if it ever was at all). And that is an important point to make: USA today is the equivalent of the 1991 USSR, not 1996 RusFed. USA still has to go through its 1993 crisis (disarming American people must be justified somehow) before getting to its 1996 point of no turning back social transformation.

    History doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes.

    It is also a dialectical phenomenon. As I wrote above, when Devil plays chess he sits at the both sides of the chessboard…

    🙂

  218. @utu
    @Bashibuzuk

    "Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. " - Interesting.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The Betar angle might have been just an urban legend in the Russian ultranationalist fringe circles. And even if true it would probably be impossible to prove today.

    • Agree: utu
  219. @Bashibuzuk
    @utu

    They supposedly killed people on the stadium, in the nearby streets and in the entrances of some nearby buildings and in the nearby yards. Also many people were killed on the upper floors of the building when the tanks fired several dozen shells (some say more than 60). The upper levels actually burned, people burned there beyond recognition.

    But yes, the stadium was most probably the main execution site for the arrested prisoners. And many witnesses tell about them targeting the young men, young women (some were supposedly raped before being killed), the Cossacks and the RNA ultranationalists who were easy to recognize because they wore uniforms.

    Russian Jewish Betar youth organization has been recruited to assist with the execution of the prisoners. They supposedly received weapons from Shoigu and his Ministry of Emergency Affairs. This might explain why the Cossacks and the nationalists were targeted more. The young people were most probably executed to lower the number of potential future radicals.

    And it actually worked. In a country of 150 million people, the execution of a maximum of around 1500 people allowed to completely change the constitution, impose privatization and effect a radical social change. When in 1996 the election was stolen from the communist party, Zuganov was warned that if he refused to accept the outcome of the fraudulent election, then there would be blood up to the civil war. He did not have enough courage to stand his ground and gave up. He became the well paid leader of the official opposition and is still agitating for Putin today.

    Replies: @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    Execution of nationalists by Shoigu’s Jewish youth movements, sounds a little like the story of a Tarantino film.

    I can’t find anything about a youth group called “Beitar”, except on nationalist sites.
    But this is the name of the famous football team in Jerusalem with ultra-racist Arab Jewish fans, that riot in Jerusalem and add “Death to Arabs” signs.

    In 2005, Gaidamak bought the football team “Beitar”, which is probably how the name “Beitar” entered the Russian media. Although Gaidamak does add some Muslim players in the team. https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-beitar-jerusalems-racist-fans-ruining-israeli-soccer

    “Beitar” is famous for its policy to refuse to hire Arab players. Last month, there seems to be a trolling of the racist football fans, as “Beitar” was half purchased by the UAE royal family.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry

    Google в помощь.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar

  220. @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    I was just thinking about buying a plane ticket and going back home to not miss all the fun as I missed it in 1993 when I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @utu, @Dmitry

    It’s almost like a reference?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

    I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry

    Buddy, a few dozen Arabs swimming in la Seine cannot be compared to tanks firing live ammunition on the Russian Parliament in downtown Moscow.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  221. @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    I don't believe a second that Chubais changed his opinions about Russia and the Russian people.

    BTW there were also rumors of Stan Belkovsky cosying up to the Russian nationalists. And frankly, why not? If Kolomoisky and his oligarchic buddies were able to use the Ukrainian ultranationalists to take and keep power, why not using the same tactics in Russia if and when needed?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/friend/26740757/582927/582927_original.jpg

    That's Prosvirnin of Sputnik & Pogrom with Sobtchak (the daughter of Putin's former boss) and Stan Belkovsky.

    When the Devil plays chess he plays on both ends of the chessboard...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

    Prosvirnin would have his photo taken with anyone he thought was influential imo, so I don’t think it’s meaningful. I’m not going as far as to accuse him that self-interest is his only motive, but God it seems a strong one.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  222. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    Execution of nationalists by Shoigu's Jewish youth movements, sounds a little like the story of a Tarantino film.

    I can't find anything about a youth group called "Beitar", except on nationalist sites.
    But this is the name of the famous football team in Jerusalem with ultra-racist Arab Jewish fans, that riot in Jerusalem and add "Death to Arabs" signs.

    In 2005, Gaidamak bought the football team "Beitar", which is probably how the name "Beitar" entered the Russian media. Although Gaidamak does add some Muslim players in the team. https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-beitar-jerusalems-racist-fans-ruining-israeli-soccer

    "Beitar" is famous for its policy to refuse to hire Arab players. Last month, there seems to be a trolling of the racist football fans, as "Beitar" was half purchased by the UAE royal family.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqUgN2wjXN4

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Google в помощь.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar

  223. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Are you certain that you are less susceptible to manipulation today than your parents were back then?

    Your opinions seem to show otherwise...

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

    He can correct me, but I think Karlin immigrated to Russia a few years ago and that definitely he lives in Moscow.

    It’s natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country’s authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.

    Authorities are very good at marketing, especially in Russia. Cynicism often requires a decade or so to acquire, after a person has soaked in the country. And of course, Moscow is a successful city, and there is objective improvements constantly there.

    A cycle of maturity for the consumer of news and politics, follows something like:

    Illusionment. -> Disillusionment (and perhaps some cynicism and spectatorship) -> ? Wisdom (Montaigne’s “solitarium”)

    An advantage of growing up listening to the overpromising authorities as in Russia, can be something “accelerated cycle”. It needs about a decade of listening to “we going to be world leaders in nanotechnology in ten years”, without counting how many bottles of Moet that “nanotechnology” buys for “effective managers” in Saint-Tropez.

    To be immigrants in general, though, is often feeling like a second childhood, and a desire to rebelieve. Probably the main people who feel strongest the “American dream” is alive in New York today, are people who voluntarily choose to live there (i.e. the people who immigrated there from a different country). Living abroad for only a few years, I feel myself often the enchantment of the country, perhaps more than the local people.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry


    It’s natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country’s authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.
     
    This is how it works with normies.

    However, you would have noticed that I was considerably more downbeat around 2017-2018 than I am today. That alone shows that said projection is inappropriate in my case.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  224. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's almost like a reference?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961


    I was in Paris while they killed the best among my people. But perhaps just sitting by the river that will bring their corpses floating would bring me enough satisfaction.
     

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Buddy, a few dozen Arabs swimming in la Seine cannot be compared to tanks firing live ammunition on the Russian Parliament in downtown Moscow.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    You were writing something bodies floating in the river of Paris - in the context, it seemed almost like a reference to the 1961 massacre there.

    Between "Tale of Two Cities", unfortunately Russian politics has had a tendency to emulate more of this Paris than London "style", at least for the 20th century.

    I can't recall reading about massacres of protesters in London of recent centuries, but as recently as 1960s in Paris they drowned 300 Algerian protesters in the River Seine.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  225. LOL.

    When you can count on your people. The young Chechen (not Dagestani) MGU student who fought alone against 4 riot cops received the following message from Adam Delimkhanov, the cousin of Ramzan Kadyrov:

    https://zona.media/news/2021/01/24/redbluepill

    Salam aleikum, friends. As we all know, in Moscow and in the regions there are some shaitans who hold rallies. Like these protesters approve of the laws according to which a man can marry a man. These laws suit them, they ask these laws to be adopted in this state. Such things do not suit us. I hope we never have this.

    We all saw on social networks how a Chechen guy was waving his fists against government officials. What you did is a crime – you did it or someone else. Because people like Navalny, who say that a man can marry a man, [us] do not fit and did not fit. Your father and I talked, if you do not accept this position, if you accept the position of courage, Chechen, Muslim, you will write in direct or contact us, my friends.

    We all know, so, we talked with students together with you at Moscow State University and with your friends. They say you’re a good guy. Your father says that you do not accept the position of these people (protesters).

    If you accept their position, you should not run from anyone, you should follow them to the end. With you and with those who share this position with you, we know how to behave. But if you do not recognize their position, Ramzan-haji [Kadyrov], our padishah, said that he would help you with what concerns the law [as soon as] you show up.

    We cannot find you, we were looking for you yesterday and today. If you contact us or show up in some other way, we will help the state to resolve your issue. Good luck.

    – Adam Delimkhanov.

    So basically, a Chechen beating Russian cops is only a crime if this Chechen is supporting gay marriage. Otherwise it’s cool.

    Based.

    LOL

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    That text must be made up, in no way I can believe that Kadyrovs kinsmen and courtiers call him "padishah." Too far fetched and incongruous.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  226. @Bashibuzuk
    LOL.

    When you can count on your people. The young Chechen (not Dagestani) MGU student who fought alone against 4 riot cops received the following message from Adam Delimkhanov, the cousin of Ramzan Kadyrov:

    https://zona.media/news/2021/01/24/redbluepill

    Salam aleikum, friends. As we all know, in Moscow and in the regions there are some shaitans who hold rallies. Like these protesters approve of the laws according to which a man can marry a man. These laws suit them, they ask these laws to be adopted in this state. Such things do not suit us. I hope we never have this.

    We all saw on social networks how a Chechen guy was waving his fists against government officials. What you did is a crime - you did it or someone else. Because people like Navalny, who say that a man can marry a man, [us] do not fit and did not fit. Your father and I talked, if you do not accept this position, if you accept the position of courage, Chechen, Muslim, you will write in direct or contact us, my friends.

    We all know, so, we talked with students together with you at Moscow State University and with your friends. They say you're a good guy. Your father says that you do not accept the position of these people (protesters).

    If you accept their position, you should not run from anyone, you should follow them to the end. With you and with those who share this position with you, we know how to behave. But if you do not recognize their position, Ramzan-haji [Kadyrov], our padishah, said that he would help you with what concerns the law [as soon as] you show up.

    We cannot find you, we were looking for you yesterday and today. If you contact us or show up in some other way, we will help the state to resolve your issue. Good luck.

    - Adam Delimkhanov.
     
    So basically, a Chechen beating Russian cops is only a crime if this Chechen is supporting gay marriage. Otherwise it's cool.

    Based.

    LOL

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    That text must be made up, in no way I can believe that Kadyrovs kinsmen and courtiers call him “padishah.” Too far fetched and incongruous.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    Yeah, I know I was also laughing about it. If the text is made up, then the Medizone people will have to offer their excuses publicly to Delimkhanov, Kadyrov and all the Chechen people. But It's probably genuine see here:

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKb0EoAogAJ/

    In Vainakh language.

  227. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    That text must be made up, in no way I can believe that Kadyrovs kinsmen and courtiers call him "padishah." Too far fetched and incongruous.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Yeah, I know I was also laughing about it. If the text is made up, then the Medizone people will have to offer their excuses publicly to Delimkhanov, Kadyrov and all the Chechen people. But It’s probably genuine see here:

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CKb0EoAogAJ/

    In Vainakh language.

  228. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    He can correct me, but I think Karlin immigrated to Russia a few years ago and that definitely he lives in Moscow.

    It's natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country's authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.

    Authorities are very good at marketing, especially in Russia. Cynicism often requires a decade or so to acquire, after a person has soaked in the country. And of course, Moscow is a successful city, and there is objective improvements constantly there.

    -

    A cycle of maturity for the consumer of news and politics, follows something like:

    Illusionment. -> Disillusionment (and perhaps some cynicism and spectatorship) -> ? Wisdom (Montaigne's "solitarium")

    An advantage of growing up listening to the overpromising authorities as in Russia, can be something "accelerated cycle". It needs about a decade of listening to "we going to be world leaders in nanotechnology in ten years", without counting how many bottles of Moet that "nanotechnology" buys for "effective managers" in Saint-Tropez.

    To be immigrants in general, though, is often feeling like a second childhood, and a desire to rebelieve. Probably the main people who feel strongest the "American dream" is alive in New York today, are people who voluntarily choose to live there (i.e. the people who immigrated there from a different country). Living abroad for only a few years, I feel myself often the enchantment of the country, perhaps more than the local people.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country’s authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.

    This is how it works with normies.

    However, you would have noticed that I was considerably more downbeat around 2017-2018 than I am today. That alone shows that said projection is inappropriate in my case.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There is natural awkwardness and rivalry between immigrants and emigrants; something a bit like meeting your girlfriend's ex-boyfriend, and vice-versa.

    But the more difficult cases are probably when the veteran immigrant becomes radically disillusioned with the country they married, and starts to dream of their first girlfriend, when she was still beautiful in his youth. I wonder how idealistic about America were the views of AnoninTN 30 years ago, when he voluntarily moved to TN. Maybe he was naively believing that he could civilize the rednecks and that his neighbours' "listening to country music is just a temporary unpleasant phase among potential Mozart fans" .

  229. @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    I don't believe a second that Chubais changed his opinions about Russia and the Russian people.

    BTW there were also rumors of Stan Belkovsky cosying up to the Russian nationalists. And frankly, why not? If Kolomoisky and his oligarchic buddies were able to use the Ukrainian ultranationalists to take and keep power, why not using the same tactics in Russia if and when needed?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/friend/26740757/582927/582927_original.jpg

    That's Prosvirnin of Sputnik & Pogrom with Sobtchak (the daughter of Putin's former boss) and Stan Belkovsky.

    When the Devil plays chess he plays on both ends of the chessboard...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

    And Julia Ioffe is a (not so) secret Alt Right sympathizer, I assume.

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
  230. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Yeltsin got 54% to Zyuganov’s 41% in the second round. It is impossible that Zyuganov could have won without fraud, which back then was still modest and confined to ethnic minority republics. The opinion polls immediately before the elections also all gave Yeltsin a convincing win.
     
    Just like Biden against Trump.

    But Tolik, I was there,..

    😉

    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on. You are right about my attitude being anachronistic and due to immigration.

    Yeltsin won due to outright fraud and also manipulation by the MSM which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin's election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.

    https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-06-18/WSWS-rasskazal-kak-v-1996

    And they have used the spoiler vote for General Lebed' whom they presented to the nationalists as a potential "Russian Pinochet". He got 14% of the vote in the first round and then transferred his votes to Yeltsin in the second round. This transfer was a very bad surprise to all the patriotic-minded people

    I remember seeing on a wall in an elektrichka (commuter train) the following graffiti: "Лебедь стал раком". This graffiti was a little more original than "Ельцин палач и жид" or "Россией правит труп" that were way more common back then. Of course General Lebed' later conveniently died in a helicopter crash, which might had been entirely accidental (most probably not). Interestingly enough, Lebed' died after Putin coming to power.

    And we should not forget about the help that Yeltsin had of course received from the oligarchs who gained an immense power since 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semibankirschina

    But other than that, Yeltsin won the election fair and square.

    https://youtu.be/jptE2SQyKaU

    Just like Biden against Trump (but I repeat myself)..

    🙂

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

    Seriously though, Yeltsin was hated on an entirely different level back then. He was hated with a passion that few people still feel today about all these events. A generation has passed and as you correctly mentioned people in Russia have moved on.

    It feels embarrassing now, hence memoryholed. But Yeltsin was not hated in 1996, and Russians were some of the biggest Americanophiles in the world at that time: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/when-russians-were-americanophiles/

    Anyhow, I don’t feel like debating the point, I’d rather do more productive work. There is data (maps, opinion polls, etc.) and there are wishful assertions.

    … which at that time were under the control of Gussinsky and Berezovsky. Yeltsin’s election campaign was also managed and partly co-financed by the West.

    Correct. Media coverage being unfair and one candidate having the propagandistic backing of foreign powers does not make an election “stolen”, however. Especially not when the gap between them in the second round is 13% points.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  231. @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    I don't believe a second that Chubais changed his opinions about Russia and the Russian people.

    BTW there were also rumors of Stan Belkovsky cosying up to the Russian nationalists. And frankly, why not? If Kolomoisky and his oligarchic buddies were able to use the Ukrainian ultranationalists to take and keep power, why not using the same tactics in Russia if and when needed?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/friend/26740757/582927/582927_original.jpg

    That's Prosvirnin of Sputnik & Pogrom with Sobtchak (the daughter of Putin's former boss) and Stan Belkovsky.

    When the Devil plays chess he plays on both ends of the chessboard...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

    Я всегда знал, что Собчак тайная назболька

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Yevardian

    Like Taylor Swift.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/131/140/018.png

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Yevardian

    В этом случае она скорее была бы "нацдемка" или "нацсоцка". Но я думаю что он скорее просто соска...

    https://www.spletnik.ru/img/2019/12/mariana/20191219-sobchak-post.jpg

    Notice the colours of the swimming suit. Zhovti-Blekitny much, perhaps she's swimming in the Black Sea in Crimea?

  232. @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry

    Buddy, a few dozen Arabs swimming in la Seine cannot be compared to tanks firing live ammunition on the Russian Parliament in downtown Moscow.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    You were writing something bodies floating in the river of Paris – in the context, it seemed almost like a reference to the 1961 massacre there.

    Between “Tale of Two Cities”, unfortunately Russian politics has had a tendency to emulate more of this Paris than London “style”, at least for the 20th century.

    I can’t recall reading about massacres of protesters in London of recent centuries, but as recently as 1960s in Paris they drowned 300 Algerian protesters in the River Seine.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Dmitry


    You were writing something bodies floating in the river of Paris
     
    I was writing about being abroad (in Paris, France) in October 1993, while in my home town (that is Moscow, Russia) the Parliament was being attacked by a criminal president and his cronies. The people that died in the hundreds in and around the Supreme Soviet in October 1993 were among the best people Russia had then: patriots who stood in defense of the Russian constitution against tyranny and foreign interference.

    The bodies floating down the river were a reference to an ancient Chinese proverb. I think that Daniel has understood this reference and he seems to have understood the mood in which I usually end up when I think of these events.

    If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by
     
    The proverb (misattributed to Sun Tzu on The Internets) means that if you cannot exact revenge, then you should patiently wait, and if you're lucky enough, in due time you will see your enemies downfall and/or demise.

    IIRC the proverb was initially attributed to Mozi, a Chinese philosopher of the Warring States era, but I am not sure about it and last time I read about Mohism was probably some 20 years ago.

    I consider the social system that was produced in Russia as the outcome of the 1993 events, as wrong and directed against the best interests of the majority of Russian people. I love Russian people and Slavs in general. I despise and hate those who harm them. Having no way of exacting revenge against this corrupt system, all I am left with is patiently waiting to see this system's downfall.

    Теперь понятно?
  233. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry


    It’s natural to have an idealizing view of the destination country’s authorities, when you moved to a country, especially if there is voluntary choice of an adult to move there.
     
    This is how it works with normies.

    However, you would have noticed that I was considerably more downbeat around 2017-2018 than I am today. That alone shows that said projection is inappropriate in my case.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There is natural awkwardness and rivalry between immigrants and emigrants; something a bit like meeting your girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend, and vice-versa.

    But the more difficult cases are probably when the veteran immigrant becomes radically disillusioned with the country they married, and starts to dream of their first girlfriend, when she was still beautiful in his youth. I wonder how idealistic about America were the views of AnoninTN 30 years ago, when he voluntarily moved to TN. Maybe he was naively believing that he could civilize the rednecks and that his neighbours’ “listening to country music is just a temporary unpleasant phase among potential Mozart fans” .

  234. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    Я всегда знал, что Собчак тайная назболька

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

    Like Taylor Swift.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2020.1704431

    An implicit Aryan Goddess. An emanation of Cana Cludhmor perhaps?

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  235. @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    You were writing something bodies floating in the river of Paris - in the context, it seemed almost like a reference to the 1961 massacre there.

    Between "Tale of Two Cities", unfortunately Russian politics has had a tendency to emulate more of this Paris than London "style", at least for the 20th century.

    I can't recall reading about massacres of protesters in London of recent centuries, but as recently as 1960s in Paris they drowned 300 Algerian protesters in the River Seine.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    You were writing something bodies floating in the river of Paris

    I was writing about being abroad (in Paris, France) in October 1993, while in my home town (that is Moscow, Russia) the Parliament was being attacked by a criminal president and his cronies. The people that died in the hundreds in and around the Supreme Soviet in October 1993 were among the best people Russia had then: patriots who stood in defense of the Russian constitution against tyranny and foreign interference.

    The bodies floating down the river were a reference to an ancient Chinese proverb. I think that Daniel has understood this reference and he seems to have understood the mood in which I usually end up when I think of these events.

    If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

    The proverb (misattributed to Sun Tzu on The Internets) means that if you cannot exact revenge, then you should patiently wait, and if you’re lucky enough, in due time you will see your enemies downfall and/or demise.

    IIRC the proverb was initially attributed to Mozi, a Chinese philosopher of the Warring States era, but I am not sure about it and last time I read about Mohism was probably some 20 years ago.

    I consider the social system that was produced in Russia as the outcome of the 1993 events, as wrong and directed against the best interests of the majority of Russian people. I love Russian people and Slavs in general. I despise and hate those who harm them. Having no way of exacting revenge against this corrupt system, all I am left with is patiently waiting to see this system’s downfall.

    Теперь понятно?

  236. @Yevardian
    @Bashibuzuk

    Я всегда знал, что Собчак тайная назболька

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

    В этом случае она скорее была бы “нацдемка” или “нацсоцка”. Но я думаю что он скорее просто соска…

    Notice the colours of the swimming suit. Zhovti-Blekitny much, perhaps she’s swimming in the Black Sea in Crimea?

  237. @reiner Tor
    @Yevardian

    Like Taylor Swift.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/131/140/018.png

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2020.1704431

    An implicit Aryan Goddess. An emanation of Cana Cludhmor perhaps?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    Anglos are not Aryan, not racially or spiritually.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  238. @Bashibuzuk
    @reiner Tor

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2020.1704431

    An implicit Aryan Goddess. An emanation of Cana Cludhmor perhaps?

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Anglos are not Aryan, not racially or spiritually.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I know, but the Alt Right has humourously declared Taylor Swift an "Aryan Goddess " back in 2016. Anglos are mainly Bell Beaker derived on their male side. The original Bell Beaker women looked like the Bell Beaker lady found in a grave in Scotland:

    https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/dej2zlKTWJAWciSmsR6O_KQL7_U=/420x240/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/c9/fd/c9fde4e4-74d0-4ce9-b016-62522192becc/the_real_ava.jpg

    Not Aryan Goddess at all. Which is not surprising, given that the earliest Bell Beaker artifacts are from the south-west Iberian peninsula and northern Morocco. Their men probably looked like George Clooney.

    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4d/71/46/4d7146a9d511074880889dd67bba235e.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/cd/f1/6fcdf1324580522a9071717650ae3d3b.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/7c/59/8b7c5901f5c2953932bb693caa393b1a.jpg

    Mediterranean much. They needed to dilute their bloodline a lot before getting to the Taylor Swift phenotype.

    🙂

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  239. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    Anglos are not Aryan, not racially or spiritually.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I know, but the Alt Right has humourously declared Taylor Swift an “Aryan Goddess ” back in 2016. Anglos are mainly Bell Beaker derived on their male side. The original Bell Beaker women looked like the Bell Beaker lady found in a grave in Scotland:

    Not Aryan Goddess at all. Which is not surprising, given that the earliest Bell Beaker artifacts are from the south-west Iberian peninsula and northern Morocco. Their men probably looked like George Clooney.

    [MORE]

    Mediterranean much. They needed to dilute their bloodline a lot before getting to the Taylor Swift phenotype.

    🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    You constantly write about Bell Beaker culture, whats so interesting about them? Before your posting I had faintly heard about them, but didnt R1 Aryans just overrun them or something? Were they some kind of proto-Basques or ancestors of Sardinians, who in my knowledge are quite similar to Southern Europeans from the time before the coming of Aryan steppe invaders.

    I have understood that you believe that theres somekind of perennial struggle between those European populations who descend from bell beakers and those who dont?

    What do you know about the haplogroup I1, my fathers ancestors come from area where over half of the men have that haplogroup. I havent done a genetical test, but its most likely my Y haplogroup.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  240. @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I know, but the Alt Right has humourously declared Taylor Swift an "Aryan Goddess " back in 2016. Anglos are mainly Bell Beaker derived on their male side. The original Bell Beaker women looked like the Bell Beaker lady found in a grave in Scotland:

    https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/dej2zlKTWJAWciSmsR6O_KQL7_U=/420x240/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/c9/fd/c9fde4e4-74d0-4ce9-b016-62522192becc/the_real_ava.jpg

    Not Aryan Goddess at all. Which is not surprising, given that the earliest Bell Beaker artifacts are from the south-west Iberian peninsula and northern Morocco. Their men probably looked like George Clooney.

    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4d/71/46/4d7146a9d511074880889dd67bba235e.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/cd/f1/6fcdf1324580522a9071717650ae3d3b.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/7c/59/8b7c5901f5c2953932bb693caa393b1a.jpg

    Mediterranean much. They needed to dilute their bloodline a lot before getting to the Taylor Swift phenotype.

    🙂

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    You constantly write about Bell Beaker culture, whats so interesting about them? Before your posting I had faintly heard about them, but didnt R1 Aryans just overrun them or something? Were they some kind of proto-Basques or ancestors of Sardinians, who in my knowledge are quite similar to Southern Europeans from the time before the coming of Aryan steppe invaders.

    I have understood that you believe that theres somekind of perennial struggle between those European populations who descend from bell beakers and those who dont?

    What do you know about the haplogroup I1, my fathers ancestors come from area where over half of the men have that haplogroup. I havent done a genetical test, but its most likely my Y haplogroup.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    The Bell Beaker folks overrun half of Europe and drove nearly all other Y haplogroup lineages into extinction. In the British Isles they replaced more than 90% of all male population.

    Before the Bell Beaker expansion Western Europe was quite diverse. Y haplogroup I is one of the oldest European haplogroups strongly represented in the Megalithic Culture. Corded Ware folks were Y haplogroup R1a. Earliest European farmers were mainly Y haplogroup G, T and E.

    Bell Beaker people replaced them all nearly completely in Western and Central Europe and drove the Corded Ware Culture people to Eastern Europe beyond the Elbe. Corded Ware did survive and later thrive in Eastern Europe and Eurasia, but not in their Central European territory which stretched as far West as modern day Holland.

    It was basically a genocide of competing Y haplogroups. The Bell Beaker folks got rid of the males and kept all females for themselves.

    And while Bell Beaker folks are for some reason conflated with Yamnaya people, they are in fact distinct. The Bell Beaker came a thousand years later than original Yamnaya and are just one specific subclade of the Y haplogroup R1b. They genocided the other Yamnay derived R1b Y haplogroups as happily as they genocided any other Y haplogroup.

    I believe you read Russian, here is a great book about the interaction of R1a and R1b people by Klyosov:

    https://www.labirint.ru/books/643427/

    Don't think it will be translated in English any time soon for various reasons, the most important and hidden among being probably this one:

    https://www.academia.edu/1988928/Turek_J_2012_Chapter_8_Origin_of_the_Bell_Beaker_phenomenon_The_Moroccan_connection_In_Fokkens_H_and_F_Nicolis_eds_2012_Background_to_Beakers_Inquiries_into_regional_cultural_backgrounds_of_the_Bell_Beaker_complex_Leiden_Sidestone_Press

    I don't think the original Bell Beaker folks were anything else than a genocidal ethnocultural group / cult that originated in the Northwestern Africa and Southwestern Iberian peninsula. Basically, they were not European at their inception.

    Western Europeans would not want to admit that their male ancestors were mainly genocidal maniacs who migrated to Europe from the Maghrib.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  241. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    You constantly write about Bell Beaker culture, whats so interesting about them? Before your posting I had faintly heard about them, but didnt R1 Aryans just overrun them or something? Were they some kind of proto-Basques or ancestors of Sardinians, who in my knowledge are quite similar to Southern Europeans from the time before the coming of Aryan steppe invaders.

    I have understood that you believe that theres somekind of perennial struggle between those European populations who descend from bell beakers and those who dont?

    What do you know about the haplogroup I1, my fathers ancestors come from area where over half of the men have that haplogroup. I havent done a genetical test, but its most likely my Y haplogroup.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The Bell Beaker folks overrun half of Europe and drove nearly all other Y haplogroup lineages into extinction. In the British Isles they replaced more than 90% of all male population.

    Before the Bell Beaker expansion Western Europe was quite diverse. Y haplogroup I is one of the oldest European haplogroups strongly represented in the Megalithic Culture. Corded Ware folks were Y haplogroup R1a. Earliest European farmers were mainly Y haplogroup G, T and E.

    Bell Beaker people replaced them all nearly completely in Western and Central Europe and drove the Corded Ware Culture people to Eastern Europe beyond the Elbe. Corded Ware did survive and later thrive in Eastern Europe and Eurasia, but not in their Central European territory which stretched as far West as modern day Holland.

    It was basically a genocide of competing Y haplogroups. The Bell Beaker folks got rid of the males and kept all females for themselves.

    And while Bell Beaker folks are for some reason conflated with Yamnaya people, they are in fact distinct. The Bell Beaker came a thousand years later than original Yamnaya and are just one specific subclade of the Y haplogroup R1b. They genocided the other Yamnay derived R1b Y haplogroups as happily as they genocided any other Y haplogroup.

    I believe you read Russian, here is a great book about the interaction of R1a and R1b people by Klyosov:

    https://www.labirint.ru/books/643427/

    Don’t think it will be translated in English any time soon for various reasons, the most important and hidden among being probably this one:

    https://www.academia.edu/1988928/Turek_J_2012_Chapter_8_Origin_of_the_Bell_Beaker_phenomenon_The_Moroccan_connection_In_Fokkens_H_and_F_Nicolis_eds_2012_Background_to_Beakers_Inquiries_into_regional_cultural_backgrounds_of_the_Bell_Beaker_complex_Leiden_Sidestone_Press

    I don’t think the original Bell Beaker folks were anything else than a genocidal ethnocultural group / cult that originated in the Northwestern Africa and Southwestern Iberian peninsula. Basically, they were not European at their inception.

    Western Europeans would not want to admit that their male ancestors were mainly genocidal maniacs who migrated to Europe from the Maghrib.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    I always thought that the Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers, who brought the agriculture and primitive animal husbandry to Europe? But in your opinion those characteristics come from Maghreb?

    Thanks for the book recommendation, but I must say that book cover is somewhat off-putting to me, völkisch and corny at the same time, but as they say, dont judge book by its cover. Still quick googling tells me that Klyosov is a serious scientist, a biochemist who lives in USA. Not AnonFromTN? Heh..

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup? I dont know much about these things, but it seems that majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup, and wasnt that same haplogroup as Yamnayas?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  242. @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    The Bell Beaker folks overrun half of Europe and drove nearly all other Y haplogroup lineages into extinction. In the British Isles they replaced more than 90% of all male population.

    Before the Bell Beaker expansion Western Europe was quite diverse. Y haplogroup I is one of the oldest European haplogroups strongly represented in the Megalithic Culture. Corded Ware folks were Y haplogroup R1a. Earliest European farmers were mainly Y haplogroup G, T and E.

    Bell Beaker people replaced them all nearly completely in Western and Central Europe and drove the Corded Ware Culture people to Eastern Europe beyond the Elbe. Corded Ware did survive and later thrive in Eastern Europe and Eurasia, but not in their Central European territory which stretched as far West as modern day Holland.

    It was basically a genocide of competing Y haplogroups. The Bell Beaker folks got rid of the males and kept all females for themselves.

    And while Bell Beaker folks are for some reason conflated with Yamnaya people, they are in fact distinct. The Bell Beaker came a thousand years later than original Yamnaya and are just one specific subclade of the Y haplogroup R1b. They genocided the other Yamnay derived R1b Y haplogroups as happily as they genocided any other Y haplogroup.

    I believe you read Russian, here is a great book about the interaction of R1a and R1b people by Klyosov:

    https://www.labirint.ru/books/643427/

    Don't think it will be translated in English any time soon for various reasons, the most important and hidden among being probably this one:

    https://www.academia.edu/1988928/Turek_J_2012_Chapter_8_Origin_of_the_Bell_Beaker_phenomenon_The_Moroccan_connection_In_Fokkens_H_and_F_Nicolis_eds_2012_Background_to_Beakers_Inquiries_into_regional_cultural_backgrounds_of_the_Bell_Beaker_complex_Leiden_Sidestone_Press

    I don't think the original Bell Beaker folks were anything else than a genocidal ethnocultural group / cult that originated in the Northwestern Africa and Southwestern Iberian peninsula. Basically, they were not European at their inception.

    Western Europeans would not want to admit that their male ancestors were mainly genocidal maniacs who migrated to Europe from the Maghrib.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    I always thought that the Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers, who brought the agriculture and primitive animal husbandry to Europe? But in your opinion those characteristics come from Maghreb?

    Thanks for the book recommendation, but I must say that book cover is somewhat off-putting to me, völkisch and corny at the same time, but as they say, dont judge book by its cover. Still quick googling tells me that Klyosov is a serious scientist, a biochemist who lives in USA. Not AnonFromTN? Heh..

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup? I dont know much about these things, but it seems that majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup, and wasnt that same haplogroup as Yamnayas?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi


    Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers
     
    It's the Mediterranean or Levantine phenotype. The people of Mediterranean origin often have something in common.

    https://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/persons/23213/23213_v9_bb.jpg

    Would you think that he is of Irish origin?

    But once you know that the maritime Bell Beaker originated somewhere between Estremadura and Morocco, you understand the whole "Black Irish" phenotype. Same thing for the French, Italian etc. And yes, the Anatolian farmers were also quite Swarthy, we can see it on Minoan frescoes, they mainly had the J2 haplogroups and I assume they are derived from the same population as Çatal Hoyuk.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/NAMA_Akrotiri_2.jpg/1200px-NAMA_Akrotiri_2.jpg

    Also, Etruscan were Anatolian, perhaps related to the Troans.

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5e/18/2d/5e182d7313cf03f2d42c5c95c6c0b847--greek-history-the-romans.jpg

    And of course Southern Italy and Sicily were greatly influenced by the Arab/Berber in the medieval times.

    book cover is somewhat off-putting to me,
     
    I agree that it's quite ugly.

    Klyosov is a serious scientist
     
    Yes, a retired Harvard Professor, a biochemist. He's not a geneticist, but to understand haplogroups you do not need to get into population genetics. Haplogroups are basically markers/tags they don't code for anything useful or related to phenotype.

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup
     
    In Western European populations mainly yes. In Turkic people, it's directly descended from Yamnaya through Afanasievo cultures and the subsequent related cultures (Sarmatians etc.) In Armenians it's probably also Yamnaya, although I am not sure about it. Of course the Bell Beaker folks also are also a subclade among the Yamnaya offspring, a specific group among them.

    majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup
     
    Quite the opposite.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ2Icr_6q5zB0wXSAFgg_Ok8emwqBXpTdTDg&s

    Here is Eupedia about R1b:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

    Here is I1:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  243. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    I always thought that the Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers, who brought the agriculture and primitive animal husbandry to Europe? But in your opinion those characteristics come from Maghreb?

    Thanks for the book recommendation, but I must say that book cover is somewhat off-putting to me, völkisch and corny at the same time, but as they say, dont judge book by its cover. Still quick googling tells me that Klyosov is a serious scientist, a biochemist who lives in USA. Not AnonFromTN? Heh..

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup? I dont know much about these things, but it seems that majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup, and wasnt that same haplogroup as Yamnayas?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers

    It’s the Mediterranean or Levantine phenotype. The people of Mediterranean origin often have something in common.

    Would you think that he is of Irish origin?

    But once you know that the maritime Bell Beaker originated somewhere between Estremadura and Morocco, you understand the whole “Black Irish” phenotype. Same thing for the French, Italian etc. And yes, the Anatolian farmers were also quite Swarthy, we can see it on Minoan frescoes, they mainly had the J2 haplogroups and I assume they are derived from the same population as Çatal Hoyuk.

    Also, Etruscan were Anatolian, perhaps related to the Troans.

    And of course Southern Italy and Sicily were greatly influenced by the Arab/Berber in the medieval times.

    book cover is somewhat off-putting to me,

    I agree that it’s quite ugly.

    Klyosov is a serious scientist

    Yes, a retired Harvard Professor, a biochemist. He’s not a geneticist, but to understand haplogroups you do not need to get into population genetics. Haplogroups are basically markers/tags they don’t code for anything useful or related to phenotype.

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup

    In Western European populations mainly yes. In Turkic people, it’s directly descended from Yamnaya through Afanasievo cultures and the subsequent related cultures (Sarmatians etc.) In Armenians it’s probably also Yamnaya, although I am not sure about it. Of course the Bell Beaker folks also are also a subclade among the Yamnaya offspring, a specific group among them.

    majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup

    Quite the opposite.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ2Icr_6q5zB0wXSAFgg_Ok8emwqBXpTdTDg&s

    Here is Eupedia about R1b:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

    Here is I1:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Percentage_of_major_Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_Europe.png

    I based my assumption on this crude haplogroup map found on wikipedia.

  244. @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi


    Middle Eastern physiognomic characteristics and skull shape among a big portion of French, Italians etc comes from those Ancient Anatolian Farmers
     
    It's the Mediterranean or Levantine phenotype. The people of Mediterranean origin often have something in common.

    https://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/persons/23213/23213_v9_bb.jpg

    Would you think that he is of Irish origin?

    But once you know that the maritime Bell Beaker originated somewhere between Estremadura and Morocco, you understand the whole "Black Irish" phenotype. Same thing for the French, Italian etc. And yes, the Anatolian farmers were also quite Swarthy, we can see it on Minoan frescoes, they mainly had the J2 haplogroups and I assume they are derived from the same population as Çatal Hoyuk.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/NAMA_Akrotiri_2.jpg/1200px-NAMA_Akrotiri_2.jpg

    Also, Etruscan were Anatolian, perhaps related to the Troans.

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5e/18/2d/5e182d7313cf03f2d42c5c95c6c0b847--greek-history-the-romans.jpg

    And of course Southern Italy and Sicily were greatly influenced by the Arab/Berber in the medieval times.

    book cover is somewhat off-putting to me,
     
    I agree that it's quite ugly.

    Klyosov is a serious scientist
     
    Yes, a retired Harvard Professor, a biochemist. He's not a geneticist, but to understand haplogroups you do not need to get into population genetics. Haplogroups are basically markers/tags they don't code for anything useful or related to phenotype.

    So R1b is the Bell Beaker haplogroup
     
    In Western European populations mainly yes. In Turkic people, it's directly descended from Yamnaya through Afanasievo cultures and the subsequent related cultures (Sarmatians etc.) In Armenians it's probably also Yamnaya, although I am not sure about it. Of course the Bell Beaker folks also are also a subclade among the Yamnaya offspring, a specific group among them.

    majority of Italians and Germans dont have that haplogroup
     
    Quite the opposite.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ2Icr_6q5zB0wXSAFgg_Ok8emwqBXpTdTDg&s

    Here is Eupedia about R1b:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

    Here is I1:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    I based my assumption on this crude haplogroup map found on wikipedia.

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